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>The recent dearth of fujo-friendly IPs and the overall decline of female-targeted series
>Observations and trends about fujo fan activities
>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world
>Predictions or theories about the BL industry
This is not a thread for pro/anti discourse (>>2521) or complaining about the genderspecial infestation (>>541) - threads for those topics already exist.
I was looking at the stats for Comiket 103 and I couldn't help but notice a lack of fujo presence. Picrel is a list of the genre codes and the number of registered circles under them. The genre code is a category that each circle choose upon registration; they can be dedicated to a single franchise (eg 234 Touhou, 331 Kantai Collection, 335 Uma Musume, 222 VTubers) or encompass an entire category (eg 315 Romance, Social games for women which is where games like Ensemble Stars and Twisted Wonderland would fall). Some of them like 600 Reviews/Information or 611 Railways/Travel aren't related to manga/anime at all.
It's obvious that Blue Archive and VTubers swept this Comiket, with mainstays like Kantai Collection, Uma Musume, Idolmaster and Type-Moon ranking high. In other words, all franchises for men. On the other hand, the fujo mainstays like Tiger and Bunny and Touken Ranbu look puny in comparison. Yuri on Ice is a certified fujo classic but it lost its custom genre code last Comiket.
In comparison, the other picrel is a ranking of the most popular series from C89 which was winter 2015. The red bars are female-dominated genres, the blue are male and purple are unisex. From top to bottom: 1) KanColle 2) Touken Ranbu 3) Touhou 4) Idolmaster 5) Haikyuu 6) Kuroko no Basuke 7) Yowamushi Pedal 8) Love Live 9) Tiger and Bunny 10) Attack on Titan 11) Vocaloid 12) Fate series 13) Hetalia 14) Free 15) Blood Blockade Battlefront 16) Splatoon. This was the heyday of Touken Ranbu - it gave juggernauts like Touhou and IM#S a run for their money - and outside obligatory mainstays like KanColle and Idolmaster, fujo favorites dominated the charts.
What happened between 2015 and now? The trend of women (and by extension fujoshi) disappearing from Comiket hasn't gone unnoticed. But it's not as if women are making less doujin, it's that women are flocking to non-Comiket conventions - namely those hosted by the agency AkaBooBoo like Super Comic City. On the other hand, I feel like there is a slump in fujo activity because it's been a while since we've had a fleet of fujo powerhouses trending at the same time (compared to 2015). The mid-2010s wasa good time to be a fujoshi.
Fandom and Industry Trends, Analysis and Observations
Thread for meta-commentary on trends in the fujoshphere, including but not limited to:>The recent dearth of fujo-friendly IPs and the overall decline of female-targeted series
>Observations and trends about fujo fan activities
>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world
>Predictions or theories about the BL industry
This is not a thread for pro/anti discourse (>>2521) or complaining about the genderspecial infestation (>>541) - threads for those topics already exist.
I was looking at the stats for Comiket 103 and I couldn't help but notice a lack of fujo presence. Picrel is a list of the genre codes and the number of registered circles under them. The genre code is a category that each circle choose upon registration; they can be dedicated to a single franchise (eg 234 Touhou, 331 Kantai Collection, 335 Uma Musume, 222 VTubers) or encompass an entire category (eg 315 Romance, Social games for women which is where games like Ensemble Stars and Twisted Wonderland would fall). Some of them like 600 Reviews/Information or 611 Railways/Travel aren't related to manga/anime at all.
It's obvious that Blue Archive and VTubers swept this Comiket, with mainstays like Kantai Collection, Uma Musume, Idolmaster and Type-Moon ranking high. In other words, all franchises for men. On the other hand, the fujo mainstays like Tiger and Bunny and Touken Ranbu look puny in comparison. Yuri on Ice is a certified fujo classic but it lost its custom genre code last Comiket.
In comparison, the other picrel is a ranking of the most popular series from C89 which was winter 2015. The red bars are female-dominated genres, the blue are male and purple are unisex. From top to bottom: 1) KanColle 2) Touken Ranbu 3) Touhou 4) Idolmaster 5) Haikyuu 6) Kuroko no Basuke 7) Yowamushi Pedal 8) Love Live 9) Tiger and Bunny 10) Attack on Titan 11) Vocaloid 12) Fate series 13) Hetalia 14) Free 15) Blood Blockade Battlefront 16) Splatoon. This was the heyday of Touken Ranbu - it gave juggernauts like Touhou and IM#S a run for their money - and outside obligatory mainstays like KanColle and Idolmaster, fujo favorites dominated the charts.
What happened between 2015 and now? The trend of women (and by extension fujoshi) disappearing from Comiket hasn't gone unnoticed. But it's not as if women are making less doujin, it's that women are flocking to non-Comiket conventions - namely those hosted by the agency AkaBooBoo like Super Comic City. On the other hand, I feel like there is a slump in fujo activity because it's been a while since we've had a fleet of fujo powerhouses trending at the same time (compared to 2015). The mid-2010s wasa good time to be a fujoshi.
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shit you LIKE
as a counterpart to the hate thread. sperg about things you love.
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Anti Fujo Cringe
As a counter part to the Fujo Cringe Moments, this thread is to post cringy takes by anti-fujos for us to laugh at together.
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Stupid yaoi memes
Old or new, post any stupid yaoi memes you got
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>What is pro/anti discourse?
Pro and anti refers to two stands in current fandom culture of what is acceptable or not to show in fiction. Anti is someone who is against anything that can be considered problematic (incest, age gaps, abuse,etc) and pro is someone who is in favour of anything problematic. But the labels can usually be something bigger, like discourse with headcanons, whitewashing, etc etc… The problematic things are just the more common ones.
>Where do these discourses usually take place?
Usually on places like Twitter, Tumblr and Ao3, but they can also be seen in other places like Discord servers, TikTok and so on.
>Are there any reads about this?
Here's a few, feel free to post more that you find!
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce (Japanese artist explaining the whole anti/pro thing)
https://www.themarysue.com/fandom-has-a-purity-culture-problem/ (general article talking of purity culture in fandom spaces)
https://www.cbr.com/cartoon-fandom-has-a-puritanism-problem/ (article about puritanism as well as a debunk in another article saying children's media has a porn problem)
Last thread
https://archive.is/9WPtF
Anti/Pro discourse thread
Discuss the current state of modern fandoms with the anti/pro discourse.>What is pro/anti discourse?
Pro and anti refers to two stands in current fandom culture of what is acceptable or not to show in fiction. Anti is someone who is against anything that can be considered problematic (incest, age gaps, abuse,etc) and pro is someone who is in favour of anything problematic. But the labels can usually be something bigger, like discourse with headcanons, whitewashing, etc etc… The problematic things are just the more common ones.
>Where do these discourses usually take place?
Usually on places like Twitter, Tumblr and Ao3, but they can also be seen in other places like Discord servers, TikTok and so on.
>Are there any reads about this?
Here's a few, feel free to post more that you find!
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce (Japanese artist explaining the whole anti/pro thing)
https://www.themarysue.com/fandom-has-a-purity-culture-problem/ (general article talking of purity culture in fandom spaces)
https://www.cbr.com/cartoon-fandom-has-a-puritanism-problem/ (article about puritanism as well as a debunk in another article saying children's media has a porn problem)
Last thread
https://archive.is/9WPtF
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For example, there's been a lot of indie anime clothing/anime streetwear brands that just slap a generic picture of an anime girl OC, throw it on a store, and make 6 figures. Why don't they have some shirts with cute anime boys on them? Why aren't there clothing brands out there that have generic anime boy "OCs" on that look like every other black/brown-haired protagonist on them? Why aren't there more yaoi-related clothing other than a generic snapback that says "YAOI" on it? How come there's hentai and yuri related clothing and merch in abundance, but finding anything BL related is like finding a needle in a haystack?
Fujo Venting
Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi, and even more so for fujoshi exclusively attracted to males. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.For example, there's been a lot of indie anime clothing/anime streetwear brands that just slap a generic picture of an anime girl OC, throw it on a store, and make 6 figures. Why don't they have some shirts with cute anime boys on them? Why aren't there clothing brands out there that have generic anime boy "OCs" on that look like every other black/brown-haired protagonist on them? Why aren't there more yaoi-related clothing other than a generic snapback that says "YAOI" on it? How come there's hentai and yuri related clothing and merch in abundance, but finding anything BL related is like finding a needle in a haystack?
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Men in these stories are borne under an idealized version women yearned for but never got because society at large forces men to be something they're not, and they all believe it. Buying into lies has caused men to double down on their misogyny over the years, harming both women, children, and themselves. And when they do reach that truth, they either blot it out or troon it out. Men can never learn, so I've relegated myself to BL, as stupid as it sounds. I feel I have the most control when reality proves disappointing.
(btw, is this best place to post? /ot/ seemed promising but I choose /ffs/ instead. Made the most sense and honestly, I just wanna screech about pet theories. Please don't clown on me lol)
In BL, should men/boys act like gay men?
The sentence "If you'd replace one or two of the main leads with women, nothing changes" made me wonder if Yoai or Bl can benefit from a bit of realism. I'm on camp neutral, personally. I don't mind some reality in my m/m smut, but one of the reasons I like BL and Joseimuke is the decoupling expectations.Men in these stories are borne under an idealized version women yearned for but never got because society at large forces men to be something they're not, and they all believe it. Buying into lies has caused men to double down on their misogyny over the years, harming both women, children, and themselves. And when they do reach that truth, they either blot it out or troon it out. Men can never learn, so I've relegated myself to BL, as stupid as it sounds. I feel I have the most control when reality proves disappointing.
(btw, is this best place to post? /ot/ seemed promising but I choose /ffs/ instead. Made the most sense and honestly, I just wanna screech about pet theories. Please don't clown on me lol)
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/ffs/ - Text Thread
Text thread for /ffs/
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Shit You Hate
Post shit in BL you hate. I'll start: everything about 'Obey Me' is awful.
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Post any NOTP that you fucking hate the reason can be anything canon, position, fans, etc. be petty as you want.
feel free to bash them or venting about it.
Dont visit this thread if you cant stand seeing your favorite ship get dunked.
NOTP gen
I believe we need containment thread for NOTP posting.Post any NOTP that you fucking hate the reason can be anything canon, position, fans, etc. be petty as you want.
feel free to bash them or venting about it.
Dont visit this thread if you cant stand seeing your favorite ship get dunked.
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Advertising my discord server if you'd like to join! The admin of fujochan is a member so it's safe and there's a check to prevent men and spammers from joining.
Fujoshi discord
https://discord.gg/KjNWs37K7FAdvertising my discord server if you'd like to join! The admin of fujochan is a member so it's safe and there's a check to prevent men and spammers from joining.
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i'm a fujo myself, so i'm curious.
(Restored)
how seriously do you guys take your husbandos and such? do you go as far as to consider actual marriage (like that one jpn guy who married a love plus character) or are you fine with just reading y/n fic from time to time?i'm a fujo myself, so i'm curious.
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Have you ever met one, in real life or online?
What do you think about them, actually and theoretically?
Do you think any use fujochan?
Fudanshi/Male Fujo
Do they exist?Have you ever met one, in real life or online?
What do you think about them, actually and theoretically?
Do you think any use fujochan?
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Is it true fujosisters?
Is it true fujosisters?
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Aydens/Fakebois in BL spaces
Aydens are currently the biggest internal cancer in BL spaces, outsiders hate us that's a given but Aydens participate and "contribute" to our fandoms, with pussyboys, male characters with mastectomy scars and PIV sex between characters that are biological males and ruin it
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Sites to watch BL?
What are some good sites to watch anime BL? Are there even ones? I'll be grateful if anybody leaves a recommendation! Thanks in advance.
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Western gay male vocabulary infecting BL spaces
I feel in the last 6 years or so, gay male vocabulary has found its way in various BL spaces from fan-fics to fansubs and even official translations of BL works, I have seen the word twink being used for male character who have literally average builds and I literally lose a year of my life when I see the word bussy and now even more dumb gay twitter shit is spreading
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I'd like to know from the perspective of anons here.
Fujoshi level
I'm always curious to know as to what level my fellow fujos consider themselves to be at when it comes to being a fujoshi, what sets you apart from the regular fujofolk? What actions and/or interests give you a boost to your fujoness? Also on the flip side, what do you think you're into that makes you less of a fujo or what do others do that deem them not fujoshis?I'd like to know from the perspective of anons here.
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how the fuck do people ship genshin, enstars or any other gacha characters? they're barely characters, just money generating, 1-dimensional pieces of cardboard. i've never been able to get attached to any.
how the fuck do people ship genshin, enstars or any other gacha characters? they're barely characters, just money generating, 1-dimensional pieces of cardboard. i've never been able to get attached to any.
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Let us celebrate!
Sangwoo's birthday
It is Sangwoo's birthday today!Let us celebrate!
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eveyone hates fujoshi life is unfair
eveyone hates fujoshi life is unfair
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>What do you generally think of such shipping? Do you think it's dumb, annoying, interesting, fun?
>Any thoughts on serious crossovers style ships of two characters different properties vs joke ships trying to be silly, what is your preference?
>Do you have any crack pairings you like?
>Do you think it has any effect on fandom as a whole, either positeve or negative?
>Did you ever start to ship something as a joke, to then become unironic about the pairing?
crack parings and irony
I wanted to discuss the concept of crack pairings and the concept of ironic shipping as it relates to fandom. Feel free to post anything that relates to the topic, or to post art, but I'll ask a few questions to start.>What do you generally think of such shipping? Do you think it's dumb, annoying, interesting, fun?
>Any thoughts on serious crossovers style ships of two characters different properties vs joke ships trying to be silly, what is your preference?
>Do you have any crack pairings you like?
>Do you think it has any effect on fandom as a whole, either positeve or negative?
>Did you ever start to ship something as a joke, to then become unironic about the pairing?
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i personally find myself reading bl not necessarily for sexual interest, but to "kya". it's a sensation like fireworks in my brain. kind of like a tingle? am i just insane?
the "kyaaaaa!"
ok. let's talk about this. do you guys ever "kyaaaa~!" at a bl, unironically?i personally find myself reading bl not necessarily for sexual interest, but to "kya". it's a sensation like fireworks in my brain. kind of like a tingle? am i just insane?
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why do people always claim fujoshi hate female characters? most of the fujos i hang/hung with had tons of female favorites and only ever despised women that didn't do anything (orihime of bleach, for example).
i don't get the whole yumejo vs. fujo war either, is that just a psyop by moids?
why do people always claim fujoshi hate female characters? most of the fujos i hang/hung with had tons of female favorites and only ever despised women that didn't do anything (orihime of bleach, for example).
i don't get the whole yumejo vs. fujo war either, is that just a psyop by moids?
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PS: i wanted to use >>>1297 image from the memes thread but it wouldnt let me so i made another one
Fujoshi and Feminism
I really hope this thread won't cause too much infighting since its a bit political but do you think Fujoshi and Feminism are compatible? I personally think yes. Nothing about being a fujoshi benefits men and feminism has always been against men. Radfem circles tend to be a bit hostile against fujoshis and throw around the word "fujo" as an insult for some reason. I wonder what a regular fujo's thoughts would be on that.PS: i wanted to use >>>1297 image from the memes thread but it wouldnt let me so i made another one
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Fujoshi Reactions
Similar to >>164 but we post reactions from fujoshis from all over the internet
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Examples:
>FrUK vs. USUK
>Makoharu vs. Rinharu
>Klance vs. Sheith
Shipping Wars
Discuss and reminisce about the legendary shipping wars that happened in your time as a Fujo.Examples:
>FrUK vs. USUK
>Makoharu vs. Rinharu
>Klance vs. Sheith
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What do you think of the modern BL scene?
I see a lot of users on this site express nostalgia for the yaoi fandom of old, and a lot of images and art you see posted are very circa 2008, so to speak.
Things have changed a lot in BL over the years for sure - for example, Chinese BL making a big splash in the west, and reversible couples becoming more common.
Do you think things have changed for the better, or do you miss the way things used to be?
What do you think of the modern BL scene?
I see a lot of users on this site express nostalgia for the yaoi fandom of old, and a lot of images and art you see posted are very circa 2008, so to speak.
Things have changed a lot in BL over the years for sure - for example, Chinese BL making a big splash in the west, and reversible couples becoming more common.
Do you think things have changed for the better, or do you miss the way things used to be?
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I'm not interested in typesetting or putting the text into the images though, so just raw text will have to suffice. Porn is a-ok, too.
Translation Requests
Not sure if this is the right board, but I'm willing to tl small pages or single images, if it's not walls of text or very messy handwritten stuff (lol). I could use the practice.I'm not interested in typesetting or putting the text into the images though, so just raw text will have to suffice. Porn is a-ok, too.
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irrational hatred against astolfo, femboys and femboy culture and how the majority of people think it aligns with yaoi
irrational hatred against astolfo, femboys and femboy culture and how the majority of people think it aligns with yaoi
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Do you like it?
Incest
Thoughts on incest?Do you like it?
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hchert/return-of-the-yaoi-paddle?ref=thanks-tweet
Yaoi paddle
THE PADDLE IS BACK IN TOWN BABYhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hchert/return-of-the-yaoi-paddle?ref=thanks-tweet
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Questions to get the thread started:
Who's your favorite trap?
What do you as a female weeb love about traps?
Have any trap related merch?
Any recommendations of anime/manga/manhwa with cute traps in it?
Trap Thread
Post SFW cute traps, ignore shitposting and anti-trap spergs. If you don't want to see this, simply hide the thread. Positivity in this thread only.Questions to get the thread started:
Who's your favorite trap?
What do you as a female weeb love about traps?
Have any trap related merch?
Any recommendations of anime/manga/manhwa with cute traps in it?
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>How to play?
A fujo recommends a BL/Yaoi and gives it's main 3 genres. Then another fujoshi replaces one or two of the given three genres and places the manga they belong to. Example:
>Horror, drama, tragedy
>Horror, drama, comedy
I'll start with Gesshoku Kitan
>Horror, historical, supernatural
Let's play the fujoshi broken telephone.
Let's play the fujoshi broken telephone! Genres edition.>How to play?
A fujo recommends a BL/Yaoi and gives it's main 3 genres. Then another fujoshi replaces one or two of the given three genres and places the manga they belong to. Example:
>Horror, drama, tragedy
>Horror, drama, comedy
I'll start with Gesshoku Kitan
>Horror, historical, supernatural
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Fujo Cringe Moments
Post and discuss embarrassing moments from fellow fujos, because sometimes we do need to keep our fandoms in check
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A board for meta-discussion of BL and fujoshi.
A board for meta-discussion of BL and fujoshi.