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 No.2387

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 No.2389

What a shame that the thread discussing this article (https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce) was lost, it had a lot of interesting insight of current fandom culture. Should I remake it when thread deletion is allowed to be more generally about the anti pro side of fanoms that is rampant nowadays?

 No.2390

>>2389
I'd say yes. It's best to center the pro/anti debate on articles (scientific, blog) when possible IMO to encourage discussion.

 No.2391

>>2389
There are a few archives!

https://archive.is/9WPtF ("Japanese fandoms talking about anti and proship drama")
https://archive.is/vY27O ("Fujoshi level")
https://archive.is/l1plX ("Fujo venting")

 No.2392

>>2391
OMG bless you nona for the archives!! Love_letter

 No.2409

>>2389
This is such an interesting article. I feel for the author because I had the same experience when trying to learn wtf pro/anti stuff meant. Do any nonnies know if these kinds of witchunts are still happening like this? I kind of feel like they've died down, but maybe that's just my corner of the internet these days. It felt a lot more tumultuous a few years ago, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places?

 No.2411

>>2409
Against my better judgement I follow a few "discourse" accounts on Twitter because I like to have my thumb on the pulse of fandom stuff (what can I say, I love a good trainwreck). It still happens but the result of them is increasingly more like "lol look at this idiot" than "somebody's livelihood is wrested away from them because they depicted an abusive relationship".

Recent: https://twitter.com/Rev_says_desu/status/1697011426357809333 - zoomer on tiktok finds out his mom is "proship"

Somewhat recent: https://twitter.com/FatuiKuro/status/1677521718808838150 - some Genshin English voice actor butthurt people ship Collei with Amber and/or Eula because she is childcoded and they are her "moms". For whatever reason EN voice actors never seem to be familiar with "fandom" and always have these cringe ass reactions when the most vanilla opinion hits their eyes. Makes them seem so fake/new.

 No.2412

>>2389
Reading the article and
>"That's too bad. In English, we call people like you 'proshippers.' To avoid trouble, please write in your profile that you are a proshipper."
God I cringed so hard I nearly died. How do people say shit like this with a straight face? Who the hell takes fiction this seriously? They have to be either underage or retarded (or both). I feel terrible for the op of the article who had to deal with these autists.
That said, I've been drawing fanart for a "problematique" ship for a couple of years now and not once have I been the subject of a witch hunt. I guess it helps that I'm literally never online; I just post my art and leave. Also I block anyone that even slightly annoys me kek.

 No.2413

>>2411
That "my mother is a proshipper" one made me laugh out loud, it's really just a proof of how the entire big "antishipper" culture of 2017-2022 was just a bunch of melodramatic angry teenagers finding a thing to bond over and now that they all grew up they realized how fucking stupid they were and quietly buried their pitchforks. Now you just see the sad remnants of their movement consisting of actual 13-year olds posting about how their mom is a proshipper for telling them to touch grass.

>some Genshin English voice actor butthurt people ship Collei with Amber and/or Eula because she is childcoded and they are her "moms".

Which is so funny because Amber and Collei are canonically just a few years apart in age and Collei is strongly implied to have romantic feelings for her, all these voice actors getting into the terminally online discourse are like a fandom version of that "how do you do fellow kids" meme. How fucking embarrassing is it to communicate with your fans like this?

 No.2414

>>2412
> How do people say shit like this with a straight face? Who the hell takes fiction this seriously? They have to be either underage or retarded (or both).
I used to believe all of them were children (most of them definitely are), but there's some sad adult specimens who give a shit about those labels and put it on their profiles everywhere like a badge of honor. As if giving a shit about the societal impact of yaoi fanfics or whatever at 27 was something to be proud of. Pathetic but also hilarious.

 No.2418

>>2411
LOL throwback to the time my dad said ereri shippers were historically accurate because captains regularly slept with their soldiers and there's nothing anyone protesting can do about that because it's already happened. Sometimes parents get it right in the funniest ways.

 No.2419

>>2418
>ereri shippers were historically accurate because captains regularly slept with their soldiers and there's nothing anyone protesting can do about that because it's already happened
got me laughing so hard, thanks for sharing that nona

 No.2420

>>2418
kek wouldn't that also apply to eruri and many othe potential pairings as well?

 No.2421

>>2418
>captains regularly slept with their soldiers
That's really hot to be honest…

 No.2424

>>2421
I know, right. My OTP for a classic epic war novel is exactly that. I wish there were more.

 No.2426

>>2424
Hook me up! What's the OTP and book?

 No.2427

Our #girlboss slay queen babygirl daddy's kitten, the one and only, AO3 turns 16 today.

 No.2430

>>2427
I still remember when fanfiction dot net deleted all nsfw fanfics. Some of my favorites got eviscerated by that. Hope AO3 stays healthy so we never have to go back…

 No.2431

>>2411
>following discourse accounts
most of them are just as insane and stupid as the antis. no one with a discourse account is sane.

 No.2432

>>2427
Happy birthday to the baddest bitch of all.

 No.2433

>>2426
Tuntematon Sotilas AKA 'Forgotten Soldiers', Captain Koskela / Pvt, later Sergeant Hietanen. Make sure you get the recent translation called specifically 'Forgotten Soldiers' plural, since the previous translation from the 60's or so was really bad and changed things from the original text.

Koskela is a 30 year old veteran of the previous war, he's a farm boy who rose from the ranks to officer status. Hietanen is a good-natured farm boy with a cute accent, who is very pure and sweet.

The book is really good and I highly rec it. It has cuteboys galore, this is a huge selling point. If you want to watch it filmed, the only version I can really rec for cuteboys is the recent miniseries.

 No.2434

>>2433
Wow not me opening Fujochan and seeing a Tuntematon Sotilas fujo here, I didn't expect this

 No.2435

>>2433
Sounds great nonny, thank you. I know what I'm doing this weekend. Tho there wasn't a "Forgotten" translation, but I found one from 2015 called "Unknown Soldiers", translated by Liesl Yamaguchi, I assume that's the one. Anyway thx again, I'm always up for some military men!

 No.2437

>>2431
I'm allowed my vices. It's like reading a tabloid except it's shit I actually know about.

Speaking of, some dingaling got their fic hidden on Ao3 for posting "proship" hate in the notes: https://twitter.com/murashky/status/1698446915162001481

Given all of the "heinous" stuff posted to the site that gets spam reported, it's neat to see them enforce the rules on stuff that is actually against ToS.

 No.2438

>>2437
Hahaha, great! People hating proship on basically the most freedom of speech oriented fanfic site to exist, and one that works as a nonprofit at that(!!!), grinds my gears. You hate people shipping and writing about what they like: literally why are you on ao3, fuck off, go anywhere else.

 No.2440

>>2437
You described it perfectly nonna, I lurk discourse accounts a lot and it's just fun to watch all this stupid shit happen.

I'll never get tired of people who get all surprised when they get punished for their actions. Especially when the shit is like, violent threats. What the hell did they expect?

>>2438
Thisss! Antishipper types can never just quietly use AO3 either, they have to sit and virtue signal to their Twitter followers that they actually hate the site, and everyone who uses it, or donates, etc etc etc…. Pick a side!!!

 No.2441

I want to make a thread about ridiculous "cancel" attempts. Here's one I found just now: https://www.tumblr.com/thinkin-lincoln/722206759339638784?source=share
>(CW: CP) HELLO CLONE HIGH COMMUNITY WE HAVE RECENTLY UNCOVERED A PERVERT IN OUR GROUP
>THIS PERSON IS A PROSHIPER WHO DREW CP
>Topher, Abe and all the other students are 16 YEARS OLD. This is not okay!
>It's extremelly uncomfortable for me to make this post but as an adult in the community I feel the responsibility to warn you of this person.
>I will not enter into a debate, this is straight up cp. Defending this person and what they have done is not okay, and you will be blocked as well.
Why are there children in shipping "communities" anyway? Without sex, I don't know why people would be into shipping. Regarding the pro/anti shipping thing, I think the root cause is that there's now "communities" for ships that believe they must cater to children first and adults second. If someone's too young to handle depicted sex in fiction, they're too young to be in any major "shipping community." As much as I love AO3, I believe their promotion of shipping content over other genres (comedy, horror, fantasy) led to this overflow of kids being shown topics that genuinely disturb them (non/dubcon, ABO) when FF .net didn't. It's also leading to this "fandom mother" thing who "protects the community at large from perverts" as if any tight-knit communities exist like that on the Internet.
Also, artwork of teenagers bumping uglies is not "CP" (the formal term is CSAM). Jesus.

 No.2443

>>2441
Samefag, but I'm looking through the post and found some more exceptional commentary.
>This is why the Romeo and Juliet laws IRL need to be banned. It causes people to act like this. Plus, Baby-ass toddlers don't need to be doing devil's tango whether it's a real or fictional scenario.
And the artist "called-out" made a debunking post which seemed to clear up the accusations. Appears the first post was a smear campaign attempt (by someone named kimtiny), maybe out of jealousy since the artist "canceled" is popular and Russian.
https://www.tumblr.com/a-small-tragedy/722215841100414976/and-so-hi?source=share
>Thank you for defending yourself ! You do not deserve any of this.
>I contacted kimtiny and they are actually pretty rude and shallow. They convinced themselves that you were gonna start groomig kids because you drew clone high NSFW. So basically they harassed you and defamed your character over a potential scenario.
Honestly this "fandom mother" phenomenon is as interesting as the pro/anti shipping debacle itself. Recently, I've seen another campaign just like this. That artist just doubled down and appears to still be popular in their fandom. These just seem to freak out impressionable children, true or false accusations not withstanding, who I suppose shouldn't be engaging with "proship" content anyway.

>>2411
I'd be more surprised if a mother wouldn't consider herself a "proshipper" if she knew what constitutes as it.

 No.2444

>>2441
I think shipping doesn't need to be inherently adult oriented, romance doesn't have to equate to sex but if an artist marks their work as 18+ then it's not their fault if people choose to interact with them. Sites like AO3 and Twitter require you to click a message of acceptance to view them so you can't blame the artist or author for "showing their work to children."

I think way more people are into fandom than there used to be and that's why there is more of an uptick in drama and call outs. It's no longer just hyper invested fans who are more likely to be into weird stuff. It's otherwise normal people who aren't used to seeing oddball fandom works or darker content. They write outrage post and then teens latch onto callouts made by these people and run with it.

 No.2446

>>2441
the notes are hilarious. what i don’t understand is how people literally follow the artists and say they love their art but then the second a callout happens they become bots and talk about how “they didn’t know” they posted this kind of content lol i bet they 100% did see what they drew and didn’t care like a normal person would, but when this callout comes out they mass unfollow so they don’t get attacked

 No.2449

>>2441
This always reminds me of the hate some Jojo shippers got for drawing "CP" because they were shipping 17 year old men that literally look like 35 thanks to Araki's artstyle. Lol. Lmao even.
I don't even get the intention like yes as an adult you shouldn't interact with underaged fans let alone post porn, but 16 year olds and such are also completely sexual people, so they WILL ship and be attracted to characters and also most likely reblog your porn if you draw well. Personally I don't get the issue here. You don't interact, you just post nsfw things that you tag as nsfw. Everybody is still capable and free to look at it or reblog it. Do they believe that having a few 17yos reblogging your nsfw art was making you a pedo? Especially with most people don't even mentioning their age, let alone artists checking. I surely do not check the bios of every rando liking my art. Actually, stalking a "liker" to find out about their age and personal data feels like suspicious and weird behavior to me.
Also I loved drawn porn when I was 15 so I relate. Back then there was surely nobody writing an e-mail saying they noticed that I have left a comment and would like to know my age.

 No.2450

>>2449
>Also I loved drawn porn when I was 15 so I relate.
Same. And honestly, if a teen is going to seek out porn (which they most likely inevitably will), it’s far healthier for it to be drawings or fanfics than footage of actual women being abused imo.

 No.2451

>>2450
Nta but agreed 100% (and same). And one thing I realize in hindsight, the erotic content made by women (drawings, fanfic) is normally muuuch more mentally…healthy? Idk how to say it. I'm not saying in every case but on average. But more respect for both parties, generally more tropes that encourage positive self esteem (eg there's usually some courtship before the sex, praise kinks, both parties get to cum, the whole encounter is usually shown as a positive if embarassing thing for both parties). But the going thing now is if you see, at 17, an image of a loving couple doing it happily, you're mentally scarred forever, but if at 18 you wanna pursue hardcore bdsm and get flaggelated, insulted, beaten whatever, by multiple people regularly, that's OK because we have sex positivity now, you are mentally healthy for sure.

 No.2452

>>2449
>Also I loved drawn porn when I was 15 so I relate.
SAME. I didn't have the words for it then, but as an adult I can say that what drew me to enjoy nsfw fanart as a tw/een was because it always had some kind of ship/narrative intensity that real porn lacked. The 3DPD I'd see online didn't traumatize me but I found it revolting right off the bat and still don't care for it. There's no way to 100% know all parties involved weren't coerced or groomed into being there, even if they are saying in interviews that they enjoy their life.

>>2451
>the erotic content made by women (drawings, fanfic) is normally muuuch more mentally…healthy?
Women are sooooooooooo much better at depicting erotic stuff. Even the m/f hentai drawn by women is leagues above most hentai drawn by men. How the breasts are drawn is usually the giveaway, haha.

 No.2453

>>2452
>it always had some kind of ship/narrative intensity that real porn lacked.
This is exactly it. I actually identified as demisexual (kek) for a while as a teen because I didn’t care nearly as much if I didn’t know the characters, or at least have some idea of a story leading up to the sex. And in retrospect, it’s funny that porn culture made me feel like I was the weird one for not being into contextless gifs and badly acted videos of strangers fucking.

>Women are sooooooooooo much better at depicting erotic stuff.

I agree with this as well. Even if it’s unhealthy or “problematic” content, most (emphasis on most) art made by women just generally has a more sensual and more erotic undercurrent compared to moid shit. More focus on emotions, power dynamics, etc, as opposed to just tab A into slot B.

 No.2454

>>2453
>power dynamics
This is so sexy to me but in a way I cant quite put into words. It's like, if a woman writes even a non-explicit ship fic of, idk, for example army or policemen interacting, you know damn well she *gets* it. And some scenes can be so hot to think about even when no sex or any touching happens. Men are just like, there's an authority figure fucking someone. No tension at all. No finesse. No nuance.

 No.2457

>>2441
Not sure what FF.net you were on, but when I was a kid it was full of house party make out fics and shipping. The fics I read on AO3 are comedy, science fiction, and horror, there's just character relationships somewhere in the myriad chapters. Generally I don't look for porn in my shipping content but you do you.
>>2443
>replies
>these topics bother me a lot and in fact I hate proshippers because their speech about shipping is quite extremist
lol lmao

>>2449
I've seen someone in Jojo fandom get cancelled because they defended 15-year-old fans being allowed to ship 15-year-old characters romantically, not even sexually. Big fandoms are just awful with their anti goal posts.

>>2451
A couple years ago I'd agree without thinking, but since being in discord groups I've seen enough gross mob shit with no aftercare and even permanent injury to last a lifetime. Yeah, female artists/authors go for more sensual and emotional styles, but there's a whole bunch of them using it to make distressing mindbreak scenarios which to me feel way worse than dime a dozen copypaste titty girls who don't resemble the on model characters. I guess in a way it's part of women being way more into menhera content, so the degrading mob porn feels to me like some bizarre act of self sabotage. "Here's the thing I like and I'm tearing it to shreds in a pile of its own juices!" I just can't make endorphins off it.

 No.2458

>>2457
>last paragraph
100% agree that women are into stuff like menhara content more then men one need only to look at the /ex/ board here to see guro and other nasty topics are popular with women as well. Though I think, at least from a fujo perspective, since I'm not a man when I look at or read extreme works there is a level of detachment since I can't self-insert as the guy getting brutally raped or tortured. Some het guro makes me cringe because I can feel the pain in some images. Actually wince inducing.
I like dark art, not dark porn, but I'll never fault someone for exploring taboo subject fictitiously. Even if I don't understand them, and or they physically hurt to read!

 No.2461

>>2451
I sometimes browse danbooru or rule34 to find fujo artists' pixiv accounts and unavoidably come across moid-created hentai and all of it features some disturbing paraphilia. Nipple penetration, ultra-inflated breasts, cervical penetration, anal prolapse, comically exaggerated ahoge faces, violent loli rape, gigantic cocks the size of a barrel, pregnancy porn, armpit licking etc., everything drawn in a very "in your face" fashion without any subtlety. The /ex/ content I see fujos creating is more about creating an atmosphere and storytelling, if you for example compare geikomi porn gay men draw to the most degenerate fujo material the difference in tone is obvious.

>>2457
>I guess in a way it's part of women being way more into menhera content, so the degrading mob porn feels to me like some bizarre act of self sabotage. "Here's the thing I like and I'm tearing it to shreds in a pile of its own juices!" I just can't make endorphins off it.
It's a primal reaction in a way. You see something you like so much you can't contain yourself and need to fight that rush with violence to gain control I think? There's an actual term for it. Personally like >>2458 said I don't feel an emotional connection to the male mains due to being female so I can stomach it fine, but likewise I can't take any abuse directed at female characters.

 No.2466

>>2461
>You see something you like so much you can't contain yourself and need to fight that rush with violence to gain control I think? There's an actual term for it.
Cuteness aggression?

 No.2476

I played Hashihime about two months ago and I really loved it. I know Adelta has another game called Uuultra C, and I read the description for the game, but I'm not sure it sounds like it's for me. The part that puts me off are the things called Kaiju? Without spoiling a lot of stuff, can you tell me if you guys enjoyed this game? Is it actually about fucking robots or something? Sorry for the weird question, kek.

 No.3534

>>2476

Extremely late, but I’m answering in case you still want to know or anyone else is wondering. I also love Hashihime, and while UuultraC isn’t quite as good, I still really enjoyed it and consider it one of the best BL games I’ve played. It has a very different tone, though, so don’t go in expecting the same thing or you’ll be disappointed. It’s much more fantastical and abstract than Hashihime, and it can take a while to 100% understand what’s happening. I’ve seen some people describe it as ‘confusing,’ but I think it’s mostly the first 1/3 that filters people. When you reach the ending, it’s all pretty clear. One of my favorite things about Hashihime is Tamamori, as the author did a great job of fleshing out his personality and all of his neuroses. UuultraC has three protagonists, and they’re very different from one another. They’re all well-written, though, and you get pretty diverse PoVs as a result. The author has a real talent for writing her PoV characters. Rather than following a route system like Hashihime, you follow three separate couples in a set play order. Their stories all center around the same general plot, but from different perspectives. Having separate couples is kind of nice because the relationships feel very integrated into the story and natural. You’re also not stuck with anyone for too long if there’s one protagonist you dislike. There’s also an insane number of CGs, as in, 1,800ish.

Minor spoilers that answer your last question, but I tried to keep it vague: No, there’s no robot fucking. The people who fight the kaiju are more like Power Rangers than robots or mech pilots. Some of the human characters can turn into kaiju, which are basically just big monsters. If you’re put off by the giant monsters, I’ll warn you that there is an h-scene that involves one of the boys in a more monstrous form, but I remember him being humanoid through, like, the majority of it. Most of the h-scenes are pretty normal aside from a few, and assuming you’ve played a couple of VNs, I don’t think there’s anything here to worry about.

It’s worth a shot. I don’t regret playing it, but it has much less universal appeal than Hashihime. I'd say to avoid it if you're not into abstract stories with a lot left up to interpretation. It’s a really fun game for analyzing its themes/characters, if you’re into that. There’s a lot of depth in both UuultraC and Hashihime, and I’ve found myself thinking about both of them long after I finished in a way I don’t for most games.

 No.3535

>>3534
I'm actually the one that you replied to. I actually played UUUltrac a few months ago and really enjoyed it. If anyone else is thinking about playing it I really recommend it. I am obsessed with Yomi to an unhealthy degree.

 No.3773

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>>2476
I loved it, but I'm an /m/ user, so I might be biased. It has so many references to /m/ stuff. An all-female version of /m/ would never stop fawning over it.



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