No.3664[Reply]
The sentence "If you'd replace one or two of the main leads with women, nothing changes" made me wonder if Yoai or Bl can benefit from a bit of realism. I'm on camp neutral, personally. I don't mind some reality in my m/m smut, but one of the reasons I like BL and Joseimuke is the decoupling expectations.
Men in these stories are borne under an idealized version women yearned for but never got because society at large forces men to be something they're not, and they all believe it. Buying into lies has caused men to double down on their misogyny over the years, harming both women, children, and themselves. And when they do reach that truth, they either blot it out or troon it out. Men can never learn, so I've relegated myself to BL, as stupid as it sounds. I feel I have the most control when reality proves disappointing.
(btw, is this best place to post? /ot/ seemed promising but I choose /ffs/ instead. Made the most sense and honestly, I just wanna screech about pet theories. Please don't clown on me lol)
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i like when the guys are portrayed as straight or on the asexual spectrum until they meet the other guy, so no…
the idea of them being gay isn't attractive to me. but to be fair i don't like when they act too moidy in general so the turn off is not appliable just to them being homosexual. i guess i just want an unrealistic and idealized version of guys. it makes things more romantic and hot
No.5193
It's all about gap moe and well-rounded personality for me. I don't want them to come off as girly but for the sake of making myself clear I should mention that I don't think of coomer behavior or macho when I say "manly". The real hotness comes from contrasts. Like a serious, honorable and sophisticated dude that values etiquette but then over-reacts or gets emotionally confused when things don't go his way or when his potential love interest approaches him. Or super serious tradition-loving guy that throws an autistic tantrum sometimes.
A bit like the cartoon villains from the past to be honest lol. Threatening at first but then they turn out to be naive and do dumb shit or throw a fit until their super loyal totally not gay sidekick calms them down. Or an allegedly unemotional scientist with hidden insecurities.
There is a lot. But them being outright feminine/boyish kills my enjoyment since cuteness and emotions should be the top on the ice cake not the defining trait everything else is based around. That aside it's just cute and hot af seeing some scary dude softening for a certain other dude. It hits very differently from a blushing insecure softie being lovely dovey. That aside I cannot even relate to those types. Like I don't self-insert or anything but I at least have to vaguely understand a character to like him and I can't with those male and female moe blobbs anime use to have.