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A board for meta-discussion of BL and fujoshi.


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 No.12715[Reply]

Previous thread:
>>10865

Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
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 No.12840

>>12837
I don't have an inherent issue with yumeshipping and don't want to be hypocritical. I want the internet to be less judgemental and won't contribute to that.
>>12839
You can have your own preferences, but there's no moral issue with female characters beating up male characters. Or any characters beating up other characters.

 No.12841

>>12840
I don't have an issues with the concept of yumes either because most people, me included, have had times where we yume a character and want a relationship/lust after them. However the vitriol fujos are getting is ridiculous and I'm just tired of being thrown under the bus.

Back then Mary Sues were mocked and writers and artists were bullied for it. I cannot help but to wonder what the fandom world between hetties, yumes, and fujos would be like now if girls and women were not bullied over silly, harmless wish fulfillment all those years ago

 No.12845

>>12836
>what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?
>Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshit

Usually I get the fictional men vs real men thing but hating men and shipping straight ships makes no sense. it unironically makes more sense to hate men and ship yaoi in a weird way.
>as long as the shipper respected male character & make the hetship wholesome
Not necessarily wholesome but it's always annoying to see an angry man and an angry woman being romantically involved, because it always ends with the male being forced to take the shit because he is madly in love or some other excuses, while people pretend the woman is saint and at the same time spit fire on any other woman in the same story.



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 No.9438[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

What are some unpopular opinions you have as a fujoshi?
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 No.12834

>>12832
That's fair. I get the setting can be samey, tropey, and overall dull since high school issues are peanuts compared to what other BL settings can offer, and I'll concede on that point. However, the ones who sperg about it because underage need to shut the fuck up.

 No.12835

>>12829
High school can be a boring setting, but moralfagging about highschool-aged characters is beyond annoying. Stfu and get filtered.

 No.12843

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I like seme x seme. What does that mean? I ship two people are canonically semes in the same series. One example is Kagiura x Sasaki. I also just like the archetype that many semes get put into (possessive, prone to jealousy, more sexually forward, etc.) so two of that is heaven to me. Most ukes tend to annoy me on principle.



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 No.9888[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Ah shit, I hate when I reply to a thread that is past bump limit.
Shit you Hate 3.0, post stuff that makes you unreasonable enraged.

Prior thread >>4907
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 No.12791

>>12790
>completely dressed head to toe with very basic personalities
I think this is more of a problem in genshin tbh, at least HSR seems ok when it comes to designs and personalities.
I don't really need male characters to be half-naked anyway, fanart exists for a reason, and even then there is an occasional Mydei or the new Blade who have quite a sexy design. Personalities are hit and miss but that applies to males and females equally.
>There's better video games you can play with cute boys, better gacha games you can play with cute boys, better everything imo.
If cute boys is all I cared about I'd just look at random art online without caring about playing the games or enjoying the story.

 No.12819

>>12776
I argue Zhongchi was actually interesting because true, Genshin always was more about throwing ingredients and letting people cook, but the tropes were so big they paid attention. Only reason it fell off is because China is butthurt at the idea of their god being in a homo ship. There was some conflict with harbinger sent undercover but not really with archon pulling the strings, but Hoyo absolutely sucks at doing ships with conflicts and Childe went from being a character who was the only one who introduced some moral dimension to the game to being a joke because Hoyo is ass at storytelling.
>>12783
Chinese fans reported them because yumes are schizos.
>>12790
Hoyo yaoi is very bland, even HSR makes you think some yaoi is going to be peak but they take so long doing anything and the resolutions are always so fast because the players are infants. Renheng was cool but just now got some more teasing, but it's so flavorless because Hoyo always plays it safe with all their stories. Other games that can do more won't be popular because they don't have the reach Hoyo has. The only other options are otome games that hate fujos, and waifu shit. Hoyo is "it" for fujos because it's the only game with normalfag appeal and the ingredients for fandom, and it does suck for fujos.

 No.12822

>>12819
>Renheng was cool but just now got some more teasing, but it's so flavorless because Hoyo always plays it safe with all their stories.
Is it really flavorless? The bait is strong and in your face, their relationship getting better is all thanks to years of DH's character development, sucks if you were only into it because of them trying to kill each other but the story was always leading to them getting along again.
The only problem I have is that a lot of their interactions went offscreen but we still got way more than I personally expected.
Honestly I don't think hoyo will ever be able to do some genuinely interesting complicated dynamics because of censorship.



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 No.11228[Reply]

As a counterpart to the hate thread, sperg about things you love.

Old thread >>13
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 No.12568

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Randomly saw this on my algorithm. Sex magic is so good.

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I think public nuisance moid behaviour is fun when it's anime boys doing it.

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I enjoy being unabashed about my tastes, I don't care how bizarre and contradictory it all is

I like small tops and genki tops, I like OOC fanon feminized characters because its fun and camp, I like cuntboy but not in the aiden troon way but in the way where its just the opposite of futanari for men

This doesn't apply to all of my ships I'm tradjoshi for many things, but for the other half of things I've been told I enjoy it all 'backwards'

it is what it is, anyways- love and peace to the world



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 No.541[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Aydens are currently the biggest internal cancer in BL spaces, outsiders hate us that's a given but Aydens participate and "contribute" to our fandoms, with pussyboys, male characters with mastectomy scars and PIV sex between characters that are biological males and ruin it
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>>12362
>boys run the riot tranny shit
wut
>picrel
so literally het?

 No.12364

>>12363
Yes and no, I just checked a few pages of the first volumes in a store long ago and the MC thinks that just because she's a lesbian and she's a tomboy that means she's a brave and stunning transboi.

 No.12816

I hate he/theys so fucking much. Everyone fucking knows you are a fucking woman you fucking moron. No one's going to take part in this retarded LARP with you so you can pretend to have Higher Yaoi Gay Man Knowledge because you cut your hair above your shoulders and wore a baggy shirt.



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 No.5538[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Self-inserting has always been a thing, however, more than ever has it not taken in an almost parasitic and viral infestation in general fandom and the BL scene.

Whether it's the need to make gay ships het by adding a vagina/transing, or blatantly stating they see non-insert ships as cucking, let's talk about self-inserting and how bad it's gotten.
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 No.12811

>>12797
I like the idea of a failed-at-redemption Durge. Particularly with Ascended Astarion. All these collared elf girl Durges get the ascension dynamic completely wrong.

Think about it like this. Durge lands on the beach and has no memories, no idea of right and wrong but for his own urges. Then he meets Astarion and is immediately taken. A walking, unbreathing corpse with a beautiful face, cold skin, and still heartbeat. As they get closer, they bond over their shared bloodlust, two people who have never been mutually understood before and who accept eachothers true natures, and it's never a problem until Durge *almost* kills Astarion that night. And Astarion isn't even mad. Astarion comforts *him.* So now he doesn't want to be a threat to him anymore, so he does try to change.

And this works, up until the ascension. Immortality, power, no longer an animal of prey but able to protect himself— it seems like a good deal, until they talk after. My favourite line from Astarion in this scene is "I love you. Isn't that what you were waiting to hear?"
It is, in essence, and admission that he never loved Durge at all. All those close moments, the mutual understanding, it was all fake. A successful manipulation to make the overpowered dangerous lunatic keep him safe and do his dirty work for him. This betrayal would hit extra hard if Durge already left Bhaal, as he essentially gave up and betrayed everything he ever was for a lie.

But despite the hurt and the anger, Durge has always excelled at planning. He wants revenge. He hates him down to the bottom of his soul, but he can't kick his obsession. So he plays the long game. Accept the gift of vampirism, its essentially free immortality. Play pretend at beloved pet. And then at the end, when they're at the brain, Durge sees his chance.

Astarion may have control as his Master, but with control of the mind worms, Durge is faster. Durge makes the aware but helpless Astarion allow him to drink his blood, no longer a spawn. Astarion, after briefly glimpsing freedom and power and safety, is a slave again to a worse master. This gets rubbed in too.
So much arrogance, so much bragging, but deep inside Astarion was still deeply incapable because deep down, he's a helpless idiot who needs to rely on others. Everything he thought he achieved himself was just gift wrapped and given to him Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.12813

>>12811
Astarion is a punching bag. No matter the ship (excluding bloodweave) I always see Astarion as a weakling. He can get physical strength and power, but mentally he is always going to be miserable. But he'll be able to cope with somebody yanking his chain. Durge however, is naturally dominant no matter the context. Even if you remove their urges, they're still controlling and take charge over everything. But I think elf girl users are not even reading the game's dialogue but seeing sexy, slightly bloody bondage kitten who will give up control for the one that they love (mischaracterize).

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>>12813
Even in his happy ending where you're in a totally healthy relationship with spawn Astarion, he still needs your validation that you're not going to run off on him. Add onto that three hundred years of servitude with no personal autonomy and a fawn response towards danger, despite his intense desire for freedom he would be unbelievably easy to manipulate.
Even with a happy redeemed Durge/spawn Astarion ending, it is so obvious where the power gap lays.

Sadistic genius demi-god who is used to being worshipped and seeing people as toys vs deeply insecure ex-sex slave who spent the past ten years with no free will, having his entire personhood denied. I bet the post-game relationship drama is delicious.

It's just too bad most Durge/Astarion content is cute purple elf girls in collars. If anyone ever finds any fics that ACTUALLY nail their dynamic, I would love to see it.



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 No.3208[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for meta-commentary on trends in the fujoshphere, including but not limited to:
>The recent dearth of fujo-friendly IPs and the overall decline of female-targeted series
>Observations and trends about fujo fan activities
>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world
>Predictions or theories about the BL industry
This is not a thread for pro/anti discourse (>>2521) or complaining about the genderspecial infestation (>>541) - threads for those topics already exist.

I was looking at the stats for Comiket 103 and I couldn't help but notice a lack of fujo presence. Picrel is a list of the genre codes and the number of registered circles under them. The genre code is a category that each circle choose upon registration; they can be dedicated to a single franchise (eg 234 Touhou, 331 Kantai Collection, 335 Uma Musume, 222 VTubers) or encompass an entire category (eg 315 Romance, Social games for women which is where games like Ensemble Stars and Twisted Wonderland would fall). Some of them like 600 Reviews/Information or 611 Railways/Travel aren't related to manga/anime at all.

It's obvious that Blue Archive and VTubers swept this Comiket, with mainstays like Kantai Collection, Uma Musume, Idolmaster and Type-Moon ranking high. In other words, all franchises for men. On the other hand, the fujo mainstays like Tiger and Bunny and Touken Ranbu look puny in comparison. Yuri on Ice is a certified fujo classic but it lost its custom genre code last Comiket.

In comparison, the other picrel is a ranking of the most popular series from C89 which was winter 2015. The red bars are female-dominated genres, the blue are male and purple are unisex. From top to bottom: 1) KanColle 2) Touken Ranbu 3) Touhou 4) Idolmaster 5) Haikyuu 6) Kuroko no Basuke 7) Yowamushi Pedal 8) Love Live 9) Tiger and Bunny 10) Attack on Titan 11) Vocaloid 12) Fate series 13) Hetalia 14) Free 15) Blood Blockade Battlefront 16) Splatoon. This was the heyday of Touken Ranbu - it gave juggernauts like Touhou and IM#S a run for their money - and outside obligatory mainstays like KanColle and IdolmastPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.12721

>>12719
>when I do like a gacha ship/character the bloated cast makes it so that there’s never enough focus or detail on my faves so I can never call it “good food”.
Yeah, waiting years for new story development that is not even guaranteed to happen is tough but sometimes it does come and feels very rewarding, if the game is played causally than waiting don't feel too bad.
I have a backlog of anime that I'm slowly getting though but I feel like I watched most older stuff that is instantly appealing to me in my first 10 years of obsessively watching anime, now I'm just getting a bite here and there.
I really want more anime originals… Good ones…

 No.12722

>>12712
yoi was popular in Japan too lol. also I know you’re mainly talking about lasting popularity but popularity is always relative. you name undertale as an example but there are a surprising amount of people who have never even heard of it yet of course know about mario or donkey kong. this of course doesn’t mean that undertale isn’t popular. you have to take niches and audience categories (age, sex, country) in account.

 No.12763

>>12700
Especially Hoyoverse. But the problem is there's no new anime that fills that long running speculative niche for fujos anymore. I get wanting to be into something ongoing and popular since it's an easy way to find people, and getting into an older show means you'll have less people to talk to.
The reason I hate Hoyoverse is because they treat fujos like shit and only give the barest of crumbs because they know fujos don't need much, while they prioritize their incel audience. Gacha games are so bad now that the bare minimum Hoyoverse does is considered a lot, and they don't even know about the better yaoi dyanmics in other games since those games are either gatekept to Japan or admittedly have shit gameplay that won't pull new players. But I hate Hoyoverse because they play it so safe with all their characters that it's hard for me to like them. The ships also stagnate into one or two simple tropes because Hoyoverse sucks at developing their male characters. It's all potential and hype but they never deliver on any of it. I'm not expecting their games to be edgy and depressing, I'm not a grimdarkfag. My favorite type of anime are spokons where the power of friendship and teamwork win out. But even those ordinary characters and their conflicts felt more interesting than anything Hoyoverse makes. I dunno. I feel like it's a case of people sticking to only what they know which is the more popular shit and everyone just likes basic simple junk food tropes because most media doesn't have the time or space to develop complex dynamics anymore. It all feels like a corporate suit looking at popular tropes than actually trying to write dynamic characters first and then the shipping naturally emerges from that.



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 No.5838[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

So this has been confirmed by all my Chinese mutuals, who have told me how hopeless things have become there and it's only getting worse. In 2014 obscenity laws were passed in China that mainly targeted mainstream porn sites, but gay content was also included and targeted, forcing Chinese BL authors to use more 'flowery language' if they were writing something intended for an 'audience' in public, but on foreign sites (Western but mostly Taiwanese) they could be more free, still it was gradually building up to this, starting from 2022(according to my mutuals) the underground sites were removed en-masse, now the Chinese government even forces foreign companies to meet their standards. If you are a Chinese citizen who even writes anything about gay romance, you will go to jail for it

Here's the article for more information
https://www.whatsonweibo.com/the-price-of-writing-smut-inside-chinas-crackdown-on-erotic-fiction/
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 No.12749

>>12736
This is the same shit as when they banned historical court dramas from being too lavish. They don't want people in lower social status to admire wealth and luxury, because what if these women stop working on conveyor belts doing intricate manual tasks.

 No.12752

>>12739
That's quite naive. The only reason they haven't banned underground media yet is because they are unaware of it. As soon as they learn about it, they will ban it as well.

 No.12753

>>12736
Moids will never stop being mad at women's hobbies and fantasies.



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 No.11021[Reply]

Old or new, post any stupid yaoi memes you got

Old thread >>79
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 No.12730

>>12729
He's adorable Nona!

 No.12731

>>12729
He's so cute!! When I go back to drawing I'm definitely making fanart of him ♡

 No.12732

>>12729
I thought this was Sora Roxas fusion fanart at first. Beautiful.



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