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A board for meta-discussion of BL and fujoshi.


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 No.79[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Old or new, post any stupid yaoi memes you got
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Not sure if that counts but I think it's funny to see it being mentioned in a manga.



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 No.5288[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.

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 No.6370

>>6369
Why is this thing mixing the lesbian flag with the Albanian flag? I've never met a woke Albanian who would know all those terms like 'afab', or use pronouns in their bios.

 No.6371

>>6368
>>6369
The OP is a male tranny. He has TMA in his bio which means "transmisogyny affected".

 No.6372

>>6371
lmao okay thank you. Never heard of that before.

Well that further convinces me that the most fanatic haters and bitches are tranny males. These people fail to pass as women so they project all of their self-hatred onto men, fictional men, TIFs/transmen and even women that like men in whatever kind of way.
His gf also has "lesbian" in the bio. How dumb must you feel to do that? I know that this hate can theoretically come from all kinds of trannies but the ones that pass seem to be chiller so I bet he's just a dude with colored hair and female dress. Must be fun to tell your friends IRL that you are lesbian after showing them your fat manchild bf.

That aside, I am also absolutely not pro tranny, but the way such people throw TIFs under the bus rubs me the wrong way. At least show some solidarity to your kind if you others to respect you in return, bitch.
>>6370
Thanks I have never seen the lesbian flag in my life. I only recognized the Albanian emblem.



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 No.541[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Aydens are currently the biggest internal cancer in BL spaces, outsiders hate us that's a given but Aydens participate and "contribute" to our fandoms, with pussyboys, male characters with mastectomy scars and PIV sex between characters that are biological males and ruin it
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 No.6360

>>6359
>>6357
Cheer up, there are still translated Chinese BL games out there.
https://vndb.org/g2002?m=0&l=&f=022gen3wzh_dHant-&s=20w

 No.6364

>>6360
I actually tried Xiangcao Bulei yu Meigui Guaidao and had to refund it since it was basically machine translated can't believe it's being sold on Steam. There have been almost no good VNs this year imo.

 No.6365

>>6364
Why does Steam allow it?



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 No.6255[Reply]

Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.

Old thread >>4731
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 No.6309

>>6281
Again, interesting how they never have an issue with lesbians liking moidwritten straight romances or even porn but fictional men drawn and written by real life women is off the table for them. Weird indeed.

>>6286
>Porn allows for indulging in experiences that we would never want to partake in, even in instances where they would be possible. It's not a replacement for sex.
This. It's frustrating how hard this idea got lost in the process, people emulating the dangerous shit they see in porn in real life because they can't make a difference between sex and consuming erotica and vice versa doing all the moral grandstanding over fan fiction because they don't comprehend how people are able to compartmentalize.

 No.6362

>>6301
>some of those people get mad at those who ship the canon couple
In what fandom if I can ask? because usually that never happens.
People nowdays are obsessed with canon, minors or women who are in the same spaces as minors treat the generic canon het ship like it’s some groundbreaking concept they’ve never seen before and get overly defensive when someone suggests shipping other two characters.
Btw the same people usually have "pro shipper dni" in their bios while shipping school teens together lmao

 No.6363

>>6362
It me, I will look down on your for shipping the boring established pairing instead of my OTP for the series who are objectively the better choice! Joking of course, but I do think canonicity is a trap people fall into and it defeats the entire point of fandom.



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 No.3208[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for meta-commentary on trends in the fujoshphere, including but not limited to:
>The recent dearth of fujo-friendly IPs and the overall decline of female-targeted series
>Observations and trends about fujo fan activities
>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world
>Predictions or theories about the BL industry
This is not a thread for pro/anti discourse (>>2521) or complaining about the genderspecial infestation (>>541) - threads for those topics already exist.

I was looking at the stats for Comiket 103 and I couldn't help but notice a lack of fujo presence. Picrel is a list of the genre codes and the number of registered circles under them. The genre code is a category that each circle choose upon registration; they can be dedicated to a single franchise (eg 234 Touhou, 331 Kantai Collection, 335 Uma Musume, 222 VTubers) or encompass an entire category (eg 315 Romance, Social games for women which is where games like Ensemble Stars and Twisted Wonderland would fall). Some of them like 600 Reviews/Information or 611 Railways/Travel aren't related to manga/anime at all.

It's obvious that Blue Archive and VTubers swept this Comiket, with mainstays like Kantai Collection, Uma Musume, Idolmaster and Type-Moon ranking high. In other words, all franchises for men. On the other hand, the fujo mainstays like Tiger and Bunny and Touken Ranbu look puny in comparison. Yuri on Ice is a certified fujo classic but it lost its custom genre code last Comiket.

In comparison, the other picrel is a ranking of the most popular series from C89 which was winter 2015. The red bars are female-dominated genres, the blue are male and purple are unisex. From top to bottom: 1) KanColle 2) Touken Ranbu 3) Touhou 4) Idolmaster 5) Haikyuu 6) Kuroko no Basuke 7) Yowamushi Pedal 8) Love Live 9) Tiger and Bunny 10) Attack on Titan 11) Vocaloid 12) Fate series 13) Hetalia 14) Free 15) Blood Blockade Battlefront 16) Splatoon. This was the heyday of Touken Ranbu - it gave juggernauts like Touhou and IM#S a run for their money - and outside obligatory mainstays like KanColle and IdolmastPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.6166

>>5871
>In most cases they're whining when they feel like they're not getting enough likes.
The joke's on them. Most of that is botted, just like any subreddit member count.

 No.6226

>>5981
I don't play MMO but this is every fujos nightmare and I hate that it accompanies me for almost every series I enjoy for as long as it lasts. There is a ship that is just fucking perfect in every way, but their (first) arc ends and they don't appear anymore. So you are in this stupid limbo of anxiety in which you desire them to come back because you love them and crave new material to work with and are also afraid that the hype might die down and see other fans moving on on the one hand and the great fear of having them return and the ship getting denied, fucked up, whatever.

Sadly the latter almost always happens. Probably because most ships are just coincidentally written like a ship or because the writer did it just for fun like having gay freaks or because two weird side characters that behave all gay are funny but once they return they want to do something else with them and since they never really considered them to be in love (or did but don't care about the pairing itself) they tear them apart for plot reasons or only get them back to kill one or both of them. ARGH. The monkey paw curling, it happens every time.

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I believe we need containment thread for NOTP posting.
Post any NOTP that you fucking hate the reason can be anything canon, position, fans, etc. be petty as you want.
feel free to bash them or venting about it.
Dont visit this thread if you cant stand seeing your favorite ship get dunked.
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 No.6324

>>6319
>insane fujo whiplash
I think this is what's going on with me. Bkdk was easily my favorite ship and while I was not invested in a way that broke my heart I'm still sitting over here like "damn really lmao???" every time I'm reminded about #431. Agnostic of shipping, what it says about Deku as a character also gave me the "ick" for lack of a better word. Like damn really lmao??? Really??? Lmao??? Just a waste of ink and paper.

 No.6338

>>6319
I never read/watched MHA so it's a bit hard for me to comment on this, but if I understand it right the het pairing was just hinted as a possibility but not really pandered before? Because if that's the case it would be a really shitty move if BkDk was in the focus for such a long time. At least leave it open then so that everybody can have their fun.
I hate this stuff because it's always like a punch in the guts especially if it happens in the last third of the series or something and it usually does.

It's honestly the only reason for why I am on the fence about condemning authors that listen to fans because I think that sometimes, rarely, giving the fans some nods isn't bad but actually making a series much more enjoyable. Of course only if it doesn't radically change the plot I am not talking about that. What I mean is shit like Satoro Noda being fully aware of the shipping craze for his manga characters and giving the fans some hints and easter eggs. He clearly had fun doing it, fans went even crazier and the result was that the merch sold like hotcakes and still does, years after the manga has ended.

The characters that were supposed to die still died. So it's not like he rewrote the story, but I will forever be thankful to him for how much of a fun ride it was. A bit extra fuel never hurt anybody. Again I didn't watch MHA so maybe I totally misjudge it and the het pairing was planned from the start. But if not then it can't hurt being more neutral. Do men and het shippers even buy acrylic stands and all that? I only see fujos and yumes buying that and yumes usually prefer the male character solo, not the girl too.

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>>6324
I'm rationalizing it as Deku's always been a fantastic teacher for his peers with his in-depth analysis and he's looked up to All Might and Aizawa because they're incredible educators too. That's a thing I actually like, it makes sense for a quirkless guy who fought a war to put down the sword and pick up the chalk and inspire future generations. That too is All Might's legacy (he became a teacher after his capacity to maintain his big form diminished). And the suit means he gets to be like Aizawa who wasn't with any agency but is still a Pro Hero. I just hate that I have to infer so many things like that and Hori could have used those pages to explain it better than a clumsy conversion implying Deku gave equal billing to everyone as special. He had a tier - Inko, All Might, "Kacchan" and to an extent, Ochako. Then came people like Iida, Shoto etc. Or reject Bakugo outright when the Wonder Duo was built up and pushed so hard. Which I can rationalize as Izuku's no longer viewing Ll Might or Bakugo as something to chase after, that he doesn't care about hero rankings anymore and he's become his own person with his own dreams.
>>6338
Oh nona. The ending had so many shades of "betrayal" of BkDk I can't squeeze it in a mobile browser.

He basically made Deku reject Bakugo's offer to join his agency but he worded it like a love rejection akin to something you'd see in a shoujo manga or KDrama. He made Bakugo a wingman for IzuOcha by telling Izuku yo go after his special person. Heavily implied Kirishima's a special person to Bakugo due to what he lets him get away with.

In 430, Bakugo coordinated an expensive mech suit for Izuku and All Might, Izuku's mentor says that it's a power he's earned (Izuku has lost his magic shonen powers and is a teacher/lecturer now).

This suit let's Izuku go on hero missions with the class and lets Ochako interact with Izuku again (after 8 years of not speaking to each other due yo Izuku not being a hero anymore and all of them being busy). So the suit Bakugo gets for Izuku lets IzuOcha get together while Izuku rejects joining Bakugo's agency to be a hero. Granted, Bakugo asks him to quit teaching and join him (which I found strange - Bakugo never moved on from his childhood dream while Izuku has carved a life for himsePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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Self-inserting has always been a thing, however, more than ever has it not taken in an almost parasitic and viral infestation in general fandom and the BL scene.

Whether it's the need to make gay ships het by adding a vagina/transing, or blatantly stating they see non-insert ships as cucking, let's talk about self-inserting and how bad it's gotten.
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 No.6320

>>6297
It would be based if they didn't brag about it in a discord

 No.6325

>>6236
>Anyway it was toxic and they never talked about their ships because everybody ships the husbando with someone else (themselves) so they just browsed tumblr to find posts to get angry about and once in a week they booted one of their own because they got into a fight.
>One thing I noticed (this isn't about yume but mass effect tumblr yumes) was that all of them were married NEETs living in the apartment of their husbands. They always hated on men, called them shit and talked about how women don't need them and just two minutes later they mentioned how their husband bought them some overpriced nerd shit of their husbando again and cooked food for them.
Kek this genuinely sounds like most posters on Lolcow to a T.

 No.6332

>>6297
I just can't stand dishonesty in general and neither people that act like princesses so I was happy to leave that fandom behind. They have no honor IMO because they do what they pretend to hate.
They are for some reason obsessed about being independent while being simultaneously incapable of going to the grocery store so a man does it for them them and buys their food like a parent does for their toddler. I just believe that their annoying attitude stems from that exact cognitive dissonance and they project their hatred onto others, especially women with a normal lifestyle.

I have no idea where this mindset comes from so I headcanon that these people stem from some fundamentalist shithole towns or got brainwashed by their parents. None of the women I know personally were ever afraid or in need of men and most are pretty independent in general, even the ones that are married. It's like a foreign culture to me. I never met a woman who was afraid of leaving the apartment at night or was too insecure to go to the supermarket and it actually reminds of the males of my own country's altchan which is one of the cringiest places on earth and full of grown ass dudes who are too afraid to face the pizza supplier.
To me it reeks of infantilization of girls and must therefore come from the parents and environment. And they are proud of it which rubs me the wrong way and I don't want to be associated with this.



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Discuss the current state of modern fandoms with the anti/pro discourse.
>What is pro/anti discourse?
Pro and anti refers to two stands in current fandom culture of what is acceptable or not to show in fiction. Anti is someone who is against anything that can be considered problematic (incest, age gaps, abuse,etc) and pro is someone who is in favour of anything problematic. But the labels can usually be something bigger, like discourse with headcanons, whitewashing, etc etc… The problematic things are just the more common ones.
>Where do these discourses usually take place?
Usually on places like Twitter, Tumblr and Ao3, but they can also be seen in other places like Discord servers, TikTok and so on.
>Are there any reads about this?
Here's a few, feel free to post more that you find!
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce (Japanese artist explaining the whole anti/pro thing)
https://www.themarysue.com/fandom-has-a-purity-culture-problem/ (general article talking of purity culture in fandom spaces)
https://www.cbr.com/cartoon-fandom-has-a-puritanism-problem/ (article about puritanism as well as a debunk in another article saying children's media has a porn problem)

Last thread
https://archive.is/9WPtF
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>>6315
>Why do these people even bother being fans if the source material/author is so obviously "problematic" from the get-go?
that's what i don' get. yana is obviously into shota and she has drawn explicit one-shots of characters suspiciously similar to sebaciel. picrel is basically them.
besides, how the hell does an anti read the corset scene and not just drop the manga on the spot is beyond me. its obvious yana likes them that way.

 No.6317

>>6316
They're in full cope claiming she renounced her shotacon ways or something.

 No.6318

>>6308
The way people try to erase history and act like none of this happened and if it did it was sone sort of extremist minority is nuts, things used to be normal, fantasy was fantasy and it was fun. I feel old, the new generation really flipped onto a direction I can't understand.



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So this has been confirmed by all my Chinese mutuals, who have told me how hopeless things have become there and it's only getting worse. In 2014 obscenity laws were passed in China that mainly targeted mainstream porn sites, but gay content was also included and targeted, forcing Chinese BL authors to use more 'flowery language' if they were writing something intended for an 'audience' in public, but on foreign sites (Western but mostly Taiwanese) they could be more free, still it was gradually building up to this, starting from 2022(according to my mutuals) the underground sites were removed en-masse, now the Chinese government even forces foreign companies to meet their standards. If you are a Chinese citizen who even writes anything about gay romance, you will go to jail for it

Here's the article for more information
https://www.whatsonweibo.com/the-price-of-writing-smut-inside-chinas-crackdown-on-erotic-fiction/
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>>6269
>Can we keep the discussion focused on the actual fan impact not the general politics?
This entire topic is political, so I don't know how you even could. China cracking down on fujo stems directly from their communism, not 'traditional Han values' as historically nobody cared if men had homo sex as long as they fulfilled their duty of fathering children.
https://thechinaproject.com/2023/10/05/how-censorship-changed-the-landscape-of-chinas-queer-audio-dramas/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/13678779231159424

>I wonder if this means there will be less Chinese fanworks on Ao3, it is by far the "foreign language" I see most on there.

There will be more, because the fujo mind cannot be cured. Not even crackdowns on VPNs will prevent fujo.
https://uschinatoday.org/features/2020/08/31/negotiating-queer-fantasy-and-the-normative-boys-love-stories-fandom-in-china/

 No.6271

BTW, Fujochan is not blocked in China (tested with https://www.chinafirewalltest.com), so you can invite any Chinese fujo to make threads and post here in Chinese (posting in foreign languages is not against the rules).

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>>6270
>China cracking down on fujo stems directly from their communism, not 'traditional Han values
This, Taiwan has way more traditional Han culture then modern-day China and they have a thriving gay scene and BL airs on mainstream television. The problem with China is that its leaders are ideologically driven and because it is an authoritarian country they can implement those ideas
>https://uschinatoday.org/features/2020/08/31/negotiating-queer-fantasy-and-the-normative-boys-love-stories-fandom-in-china/
this article is from 2020, long before China actually started seriously banning bl and erotica, i'm really sad to say, but it's actually over for them, no one wants to risk a fine or jail time



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