No.8898[Last 50 Posts]
Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.
Old thread
>>6255 No.8902
>>8901This puriteen needs to find Fujo Jesus and start writing the wild shit they're clearly repressing.
No.8903
>>8901KEK this is so funny
No.8906
>>8901The rehabilitate part makes it kinda sound like the proshippers are wild animals kek.
No.8907
>>8904Kiwi spergs are something else, pic related is her malding over the second pic kek.
>I'd say fujos are way, way worse than yuricucks from a woman's standpoint […] Fujos, on the other hand, are a menace to all fandom spaces.In her post she doesn't explain why fujos are worse but makes sure to say yurifags are just annoying for men. I love that she hates fujos so much she can't even say why. Also I got no clue what she's saying on the second pic.
No.8908
>>8907>she doesn't explain why fujos are worseMakes her husbando a fudgepacker
>Also I got no clue what she's saying on the second pic.She's just calling some random fujo ugly and saying only ugly girls are fujoshis I guess?
No.8910
>>8904This is a salty yume who can't comprehend a woman not self-inserting herself into everything which leads her to think that a fujo who enjoys two dudes fucking is an insecure cuck. She is just mad that most fanworks with her husbando involve him taking it up the ass.
No.8911
>>8910That's why she's hilarious.
No.8912
>>8905Lack of he/him and female self insert is confusing my aiden radar, but I'm still 90% sure it's probably not an actual guy.
No.8913
>>8912There is no AFAB indicator more reliable than giving a damn about "pro/anti" stuff, lol.
No.8914
>>8904>>8907This kiwi girl is an obviously autistic hetfag / yume and such a clown malding over fictional characters being "disrespected".
>this level of arrogance and no shame just pisses me offOh no! Fujos writing fanfiction!! The horror!! I'm sure Sakura and Kairi are stuck crying in a corner
No.8917
>>8916>Junjou RomanticaWhy is she using this as an example of shotacon? Is she actually retarded? The only "underage" aspect in Junjou Romantica was the high schooler that fell in love with the adult, but he was already 18 by then from what I remember. I assume she's meaning to use Loveless as an example instead, but is mixing them up.
No.8918
>>8916I would've said ironic but I've seen people like this in the wild who are very obvious fujos and still shit on fujo things. The bad grammar and the
autocorrected romantica with an ´ which leads me to believe the poster is ESL makes me think it's a shitpost either way
No.8919
>>8907I've never seen someone fail to spell "teehee" before.
No.8929
>>8905I rarely see actual dudes online caring about proship discourse, much less saying things like "proshit."
No.8932
>>8901why are their characters always so ugly?
No.8933
>>8907You know what's ironic? and also sad for these lonely spergy yumes?
That even after all the bad pr they tried to do on fujos for years, call us fetishizers, making fun of yaoi hands or yaoi paddles, well in less than a year now, yumes are publically known as huge coomers.
Huge thanks to the love and deep space game becoming widely known, now everyone knows their cringe ass game where they have pov sex with an anime boy, guess that's why they don't want fujos to ship them with each other kek such is karma.
No.8938
>>8934This person needs a whole lot of therapy. Who wastes their time obsessing over people who could give less of a shit about her?
No.8939
>>8934I wonder if YWNBAM-chan is jealous over the popularity and community yaoi has. Maybe find a community of yumes or hetshippers if you are salty and need to self-insert?
No.8952
>>8939Yume communities have gone back to the 2000s style of NO SHARING HE BELONGS TO ME ONLY style autism, probably because they rebranded to 'selfshipping' (something something muh cultural appropriation) and only get along with yumes who have a different husbando than them kek.
I am genuinely curious who YWNBAM chan's husbando is though, i̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶p̶i̶n̶o̶c̶c̶h̶i̶o̶?̶ ̶
No.8972
>>8952I wonder what prompted that change?
No.8975
>>8972A lot of the tumblr girls who were into "kinning" switched over to "selfshipping" but the NO DOUBLES autism carried over.
No.8978
>>8972When you are an insecure woman who has to pretend she’s in a relationship with a fictional man to experience any form of love no matter how detached from reality, seeing other women pretending they’re in a relationship with the same man as you shatters that fantasy. Suddenly you can’t pretend that your husbando is devoted to you only and you get jealous.
It’s easier to avoid that realisation altogether and only interact with yumes who ship themselves with other fictional men.
No.9005
>>9004>the fujoshi virus killed her creative drive blahblahblah mind virusIf there's anything you can criticize fujos for, I don't think it's being boring or soulless kek. Especially coming from Mrs. Yume Het Absolutist over here
No.9008
>>9007Not little but yes it's about escaping sex pest cats, it's more comedic than dark though. Wandanohara has similar themes but takes itself seriously. I wouldn't call Funamusea a fujo at all though, most of the games I've played from her are het and my earliest interactions from her were Yume Nikki fan art. Grey Garden has themes of BL but most of her stuff is decidedly not.
No.9009
>>9004What wildly creative and soulful things are they making that fujo content pales in comparison to?
No.9013
>>9004Just what is this deranged word salad? Faggot fujo homo rape slave porn that and tranny fujoshi virus this. Is Deep Sea Prisoner even a fujo or is she just being an insane femcel over fanon BL ships?
No.9015
>>9008>>9013>I wouldn't call Funamusea a fujo at all thoughShe's a little bit fujo with her demon OCs and their oedipus complex love child.
>>9009Her games are very "of their era" and haven't really aged as well as other games like Ib and yume nikki. A lot of the character designs are cute though.
No.9031
>>9004so theories on her saltiness? this level of obsession comes from deep issues.
is she a repressing aiden? maybe yaoi triggers her ~ gender dysphoria ~ lol
her username might be a bitter reminder to herself…
No.9032
>>9031Most definitely just a salty yume pickme, the "I'm the sole straight girl that loves heterosex in a world full of trannies and fujos" type.
Probably tried to fit in with other female peers before but they were all likely fine with homosex so decided to go plead allegiance with men. I've seen a lot of these.
It tells me a lot that she somehow talks about funamusea as if she were only a fujo when most of her games have hardcore het rape and people love shipping loli/man who abuses her in her games yet she doesn't complain about that, ONLY the gay shit.
No.9034
>>8934>>8907As fujo and yume, thank god I out grew this shit and accepted that I'm a pervert
All of this boils down to insecurity.
No.9035
>>9032it does make sense, though ive never seen this level of hate towards hetshitters and yumes on the end of fujos, so it's so startling to see someone get this pressed over fictional stuff, to the point it does make me wonder what kind of other issues this person might have if any
No.9036
>>9032Kek. Is she one of those main character delulus who believe they're oppressed because their theory of mind is so eroded that the thought someone out there sharing their beliefs is improbable? Straightslop is everywhere. One can just go outside and find them in their local store, but do hetshitters know? Fuck no, they'd much rather sperg about the ebil fujos and their plot to steal their husbandos away from them. Men are burning the world down while the only thing of concern is whether or not two men fucking their bums is a threat to womenkind.
No.9037
>>9032Def this. She's just a EW FUJOS EVERYWHERE IN MY FANDOM type. It always boils down to whining that fujoshi make their own content instead of het or f/f. Always.
>>9034Accepting you're a pervert for 2D men is so freeing as you get older. I'm so sick of these dumb fujo yume ship het hime whatever wars, especially since I like all kinds of pairings.
No.9038
>>9034>thank god I out grew this shit and accepted that I'm a pervert same kek
the general conclusion when I reveal that Im a fujoyumehime is that im a porn addict but I dont care. I dont make my hobby a reflection of my moral opinions or use it as a form of activism, a good story is a good story.
No.9039
>>9038Agreed, the sooner one accepts they're into weird shit the sooner they can stop letting it run their entire life.
I'm still gonna make fun of people with weird fetishes that aren't my own though.
No.9040
>>9039>I'm still gonna make fun of people with weird fetishes that aren't my own though.I think theres a distinction between making fun of someone vs dedicating your entire time and personality to being a hater. Sure I'll mock some of the tropes I hate but I wont go out of my way to find said people who like the content and complain about how their taste sucks upfront. I'd rather stay in my bunkered off FUB free 20k blocklist curated twitter account than touch shit taste with a 20 meter stick
No.9041
>>9035>>9040As someone who used to regularly browse the farms myself, I think it's almost impossible to be a kiwifarms regular without having other issues.
No.9045
>>9031IME it's just bitterness towards other women in general. You have to have some amount of pickme-ism and NLOGism in you to be able to post on Kiwifarms to begin with but being absolutely obsessed like she is is some deep seated personal resentment. Maybe her friends in high school were fujos and shipped her husbando with another male character, that seems to be the anti-fujo origin story for most female autists.
>>9044>She thinks fujos give a shit about the canonThe utter foolishness of a person with no creativity or imagination.
No.9046
>>9045>You have to have some amount of pickme-ism and NLOGism in you to be able to post on Kiwifarms to begin withShe seems like a slightly more stable version of Paladinboo.
>>9032>yume pickmeI so desperately want to know who her husbando is. I feel like it has to be a character with a sizable fujo fanbase or with a prominent m/m ship.
>she somehow talks about funamusea as if she were only a fujo when most of her games have hardcore het rape and people love shipping loli/man who abuses her in her games yet she doesn't complain about that, ONLY the gay shit.Even funnier, looking at her post, the person she's replying to EXPLICITLY brings up the loli rape. She somehow turned it around to talk about yaoi kek.
No.9048
>>9045>She thinks fujos give a shit about the canonNot to detract from your point, but I prefer my BL to at least be canon-adjacent/divergent if not you might as well be writing OCs. That being said a character getting into a canon het relationship isn't a dealbreaker at all since you can just write around it so those "Fujos btfo!" posts are always so funny.
No.9049
>>9046>PaladinbooHoly fuck that's a name I haven't heard in a while. Clearly mentally underdeveloped women who get stuck in the pickme rut trying to catch male attention by sperging about fujos to ease their crippling loneliness and depression are truly a sight to behold.
>>9048AYRT, yeah, basically meant that fujos don't give a shit if their established couple is given a girlfriend in the canon or not if the gay relationship is still there.
No.9052
>>9051>especially if it's a fandom with a child audienceI'm not gonna deny that there's fujos into kid's shows but it's not the majority kek.
>it can fuck them up for life Seems like she's mad that preteen girls are writing gay shit on wattpad kek.
>both female and male mediaIs this about mahou shoujo having gay characters again?
>fujos just find female bodies repulsivethen why is genderswap BL and omegaverse a thing
Girl really needs to take a chill pill, I don't get how you can be this angry just thinking about gay people let alone anime gay people.
No.9055
>>9053I think they just don't really understand how puberty works and automatically assume that middle schoolers taking interest in sexually explicit material automatically means that an adult grooming them was involved, when most of the time it's just 12 year old girls on wattpad writing 'sexy lemons' for other 12 year old girls on wattpad while every older teen or adult woman is on AO3.
What's ironic is there's way stranger stuff on wattpad kek, just look at the kidnapped by one direction sub genre.
No.9057
>>9051I like how she says she believes many fujos like yaoi because it allows them to avoid the excessive sexualization of women seen in both media and real life (which they may have experienced personally), while allowing bad things to happen to men instead of having to watch those same things happen to women, and then acts like that's a bad thing. I mean, I'd argue that's not even why most women are fujos, but if it were, would that be so horrible? Does she have this same energy for things like Honkai Impact and Love Live with predominantly female casts written by men which don't even have that reasoning attached to them?
No.9058
>>9054is she really saying that evil fujos hate female characters while shipping sasusaku? sasuke treated sakura like shit all their childhood and left her a single mother kek
No.9059
>>9058A lot of current Sakura fans are like that, they sort of infight with each other as from what I've seen
>Naruto x Sakura fans hate Sasuke because he's a deadbeat dad>Sasuke x Sakura fans hate yaoi because it's misogynistic or something and naruto because Sasuke is Sakura's troo luv No.9060
>>9051Girl is on a fucking crusade lmfao. Are we sure this isn't just Paladinboo under a new username? The schizophrenia checks out.
>>9057This is what gets me though. She acknowledges a perfectly good reason why a woman would be into fujo stuff (No female sexualization, burnout from a lifetime of living in the rape culture etc) but frames that as a bad thing and starts sperging out about yaoi being a poonerpill. This is why it comes off to me as just a moral grandstanding over other women rather than genuine concern.
No.9061
>>9053The reality is more like middle-school and high-school girls discovering yaoi and fandom within groups of their peers and writing One Direction wattpad or currently HoYoverse / bkdk / stsg AO3 fanfic themselves. Or joining a fandom Discord server with other minors and thirsting over some anime boy in a chat. I also wonder how this individual feels about how it's seen as a rite of passage for teenage boys to discover actual porn and compulsively watch pornography on PornHub and similar sites.
To be fair I hate how teenagers are included by default in fandom groups online and wish every social media site and Discord had a global rule to be 18+ but that's not our fault.
>>9058Canon sasusaku is Sasuke being a deadbeat dad while Sakura looks as dumb as a bag of rocks. At least champion a better hetship instead of getting offended other fans don't like it.
No.9062
>>9055My anime porno journey was entirely self guided. Virgin until 28 but pervert at 12!
No.9063
>>9051I feel like this person is literally what every twitter/tumblrina that keeps talking about how "fujos are misogynists because they don't care about the wahmen" thinks deep down. No need to put some glorification about feminism or whatever, you're just really upset fujos don't make the het content that you want and you can't talk to other girls because you have an aversion to people liking things that you don't lmao
No.9064
>>9053In real life though, we are bombarded with highly sexualized female content and will be like 95% of the kind that children are exposed to
>>9054What a victim complex they have! While I'm not saying lesbians are not victimized, it is a truth that female sexuality is just so much more highly accepted in society than male sexuality. Its almost taken as a given that sexuality is inherently tied to femininity as if it weren't part of masculinity as well, as if males didn't enjoy sex and intimacy, either with women and/or men.
It is to be expected to be more guarded and jealous of mlm relationships and content since its so much easier for everyone to want to get rid of them while giving a pass to wlw ones. And I'm hoping this changes in the future because its not healthy at all, much less fair.
No.9066
>>9065moids that post in forums like this have to go
No.9067
>>9065"fandom's decline" is so funny because nobody is making them look at all the gay porn or talk about shipping. All men want to talk about is power scaling and how hot the girls are and they can do that all day over on /tv/. These people are choosing to go into fujo spaces and getting mad at what they see there. Fish found in aquarium.
>>9066The girls too tbh. Anybody who has this much time to commit to bitching needs to be cut off from the internet for a while.
No.9068
>>9044This guy is so pleased with himself he sought out the homothread to keep posting about it, even though he claimed it was only one girl since pre-pandemic threads.
>>9051This read like she copied someone else's homework in the middle but butchered the sentences and tacked her own unrelated take on the end. How are there 25 reactions on it?
>>9053>rehashing the moral panic over gays AGAINYou'd think with all these groups actively grooming children en masse we'd have not a single normal child left in society by now. And yet, children do what children have always done, whether you want them to or not.
No.9069
>>9065Buffy had a huge shipping fanbase of girls, and so did once upon a time, we even had shipping names for each straight ships in that show.
Why do they always think it's strictly a fujos thing? If anything I remember the supernatural fujos were so chill.
I personally loved the Hannibal show and even some moids called the show homoerotic on purpose.
No.9070
>>9053Yeah this is just a reskinned "gays are pedos" panic immediately conflating homosexuality to perversion and pornography and children being brainwashed into it. I was much more damaged by older men instilling hentai tropes on me than gushing about problematic yaoi with my peers when I was 14 to begin with, but this idea of older fujos pushing obscene porn on minors narrative often feels like pure projection by said predatory moids. Adult fujos don't want to hang around kids, the ones who think of themselves as the "fandom moms" with a discord server filled with 16-year olds are almost always one of those "antiship" cult leaders anyway.
>>9065>boo hoo women ruin fandoms by shippingAt least fujos care about the show rather than goonmoids who are only there for the AI-generated porn slop. And for every psychotic supernatural destiel fan there are 1000 male fans who *will* conduct a home invasion and a kidnapping plot to rape and murder the female actress they're obsessed with.
No.9100
>>9098>Death Note>GayShe has the fujo goggles ON.
No.9103
>>9102She can only watch shoujo anime till the day she dies and still won't run out of hetshit to watch, what is the point of this list?
I do agree with her that bleach is a straight anime though, fujos were shipping Ichigo with Grimmjow only because they were two hot guys but that’s it.
No.9106
>>9100To be fair the foot scene was pretty gay, but that's anime exclusive kek.
Death note's fujo stuff mainly comes from the character designs I think, because Takeshi Obata likes to draw gay stuff here and there.
>>9102>Fate zero>StraightFate's a pretty gay franchise as it is kek, the OG VN had a bisexual threesome.
No.9108
>>9102>FMA>Mushishi>Big O>Fate/Zero>Hell GirlIt's amazing just how many of these I have a ship for. Also
>>9104 I agree with your assessment, they're gay across the entire franchise and more compelling than Emiya/Saber. Waver/Iskandar are also pretty gay in Zero one of the more Fujo entries in the series.
>>9103>fujos were shipping Ichigo with Grimmjow only because they were two hot guys but that’s it.And I was over here shipping him with Uryuu, Bleach was my Naruto in terms of shonen and they were my SasuNaru.
No.9110
>>9098>>9102Obsession. This almost has the vibe of a victim of conversion therapy. It's like she's aggressively trying to deny something deep inside.
>>9104Kek I was thinking the same thing, Irisviel was cucking Kiritsugu with her lesbian lover Saber while Gilgamesh went hard seducing Kirei and Iskandar had a bona fide gay relationship with Waver practically confirmed by the Case Files series. Nothing about that fucking anime was straight.
No.9113
>>9110>Irisviel was cucking KiritsuguWasn't it the other way around? Kiritsugu was cheating on her hard lol
No.9114
>>9102>>9103Ironic, since most het shoujo romances are done the biggest fujos
No.9116
>>9102>Kenshin>straightMy first porn fics were Kenshin. Even fics that weren't porn would casually make bad jokes about Hiko's dick while the guys shared a bath. And don't let the old Akira fanbase hear them. Back in the day there was some serious angst made out of the camaraderie and lost friends. Even ignoring the manga you had one obvious pairing in the movie that got tons of fics, and I don't even mean Tetsuo and Kaneda.
>>9108I didn't read or watch far enough for Grimmjow so I always knew Ishida as the common ship. When the anime filler had vampire women chasing him everyone was laughing and saying he was flustered not because of the danger but because he's never experienced a heterosexual relationship before.
No.9125
>>9102>AkiraMaybe it's me being bias cuz I ship Kaneda and Tetsuo but I always thought Tetsuo was in homo denial with Kaneda. Also Kai and Yamagata get a lot of content together. The amount of cute and angst content the bike gang gets is pretty big.
YWNBAM-chan is pretty strange, I understand not being a fujo, I have a lot of friends who like anime or video games but don't care for shipping, much less homo shipping. But damn, YWNBAM-chan is on a crusade, even as a yume she goes out of her way to be extremely deranged by bringing the fujo topic all the time in her posts. Maybe she was a cringe fujo in middle school and now feels very ashamed? Kek
No.9126
>>9113He was, but Irisviel didn't give a shit because she was lezzing out with Saber and their marriage was basically a sham to begin with.
No.9165
>>9102It's the same type of behaviour of the lads fandom, being perpetually upset over fujos shipping guys together. Still I think it's not specifically against gay shipping but any ship that's not their own, it just so happens that gay ships are more popular in female fandoms, so that's where the salt stems from.
I've never seen for example guys in otome games or in shoujo comment about other girls or be interested in other women except for the heroine, otherwise they would be seething about it too.
No.9167
>>9166I'm not even bi (at least I don't think so) but there are so many otome protagonists or side character girls that I thought were cuter than the cast of guys. Probably just my low tolerance for default otomate ikemen template, I dislike any guy with a smug bastard expression and I prefer art styles with larger eyes to smaller eyes, plus unique outfits, and for some reason the A-game usually goes into the heroine's outfit.
Or maybe it's just that sometimes the heroine has such a cute design that I wish she was the protagonist of something more interesting. Or in a yuri game.
>>9165Personally I don't get why anyone would ship the LADS guys together, do they even have any shippy moments with each other? There have been otome game BL ships I was interested in, but I just assumed that a selfinsert game so focused on delivering het fanservice wouldn't even have any fujo crumbs in it. They're all so focused on the MC that I wouldn't be able to do it anyway, as opposed to a game with routes where you can handwave away the heroine with someone else if you want.
No.9169
>>9168I know fiction doesn't equal reality but it's hard for to imagine lesbians playing LADS unless they pretend all of the guys are butches. Why does everyone have to pretend a very heterosexual series or pairing is actually super kweer all the time?
No.9170
>>9168The same "lesbians" that like utena even thou is full of straight sex scenes lmao
They say they are lesbians for woke points like 95% of zoomettes on the internet, god forbid you just say that you are a straight woman, that's boring to them
No.9173
>>9165>I've never seen for example guys in otome games or in shoujo comment about other girls or be interested in other women except for the heroine, otherwise they would be seething about it too.I've seen some women who dislike the "dead wife" trope in otome games, which is pretty similar to what you describe. I don't know if that's exactly comparable. Sorry picrel isn't an anti-fujo post, but it's an illustration of what I mean. I don't mind this attitude, and I'm not making fun of these women at all, but I think you're correct.
>>9167>I wish she was the protagonist of something more interesting. Or in a yuri game.Not to derail the thread too much, but I wish there were more plotge with no romance, no h-scenes, and protagonists who look like otome MCs. It feels like an overwhelming majority of VNs with female protagonists are romance-focused, which sucks. There are exceptions, obviously, but I wish it could be more common.
No.9178
>>9169>Why does everyone have to pretend a very heterosexual series or pairing is actually super kweer all the time?I'm sorta deciding to play devil's advocate here, but it's mostly because there simply isn't good gay mainstream content out there. For example, digging up lesbian media is so fucking tedious because it's polluted by the embarrassingly preachy kweer rep garbage, coomers who want to see hot women making out and political lesbians who are there just to romanticize lesbianism as a form of sacred sisterhood. Nobody wants to tell a genuinely good story about lesbian characters. The only actually interesting lesbian stories are always told by those who clearly have a background in fujo stuff, and they're very rare. So some lesbians just choose to do stuff like play an otome pretend like they're the man courting the female main instead of self-inserting into the girl or headcanon the pretty boys as butch lesbians. When you've been conditioned since birth to adapt these mainstream perspectives you can manipulate your brain into doing these things since it's better than having nothing at all.
>inb4 just create your own stuff!!Most people actually do, but if you want to experience a community instead of just writing stuff alone you have to make do.
No.9180
>>9173I mean get it even though I don't have much interest in media that doesn't feature sex and romance as major themes. Like what do you mean by no romance? Between the main cast? Is it just a background story for one of them but the main story is decidingly bereft of it?
No.9183
>>9180>Like what do you mean by no romance?I guess I should've said, "without romance as the primary focus or end goal." When I made the post, I was thinking of VNs like Ace Attorney, 999, The Silver Case, Higurashi, etc. but through the perspective of a female character. For example, in 999, even though the protagonist has romantic feelings for one of the other characters, the routes are entirely based on the mystery. All of the endings you get are based on the choices you make regarding the plot itself, not his romance with the girl.
And ultimately, his romantic feelings are even used to further the plot instead of the other way around. I've found that a lot of otome games with an interesting premise completely sideline that premise in favor of all the romances, and it gets tiring for me. I'd just like to see more non-otome VNs with female protagonists and a stronger plot. A couple do exist, but they're pretty rare.
No.9189
>joining like one new discord per year despite hating discord but really having an urge to talk about my favorite shit
>fujo discord about my current favorite ship is dead because I didn't retweet admin's ugly genderbending fanart and disagreed with another person once
>old other fujo(!) discord I used for ages chimped out after I said I preferred anime with male MCs because that's extremely misogynist and apparently explaining that a lot of anime are sadly aimed at coomers is racist too even though I was talking about men in general
>> now said discord is dead too because everybody refuses to talk in front of toxic people like me
All I want is talking about dudes why is that so hard? Hell the latter discord was semi-dead before, but the SECOND I reveal that I prefer sausage fests they all leave their holes to attack me with tired strawman shenanigans.
Saying that I don't hated women, just how women were often written (i.e. as coomer bait, fanservice lesbians or token "the woman") doesn't make it less misogynist for some reason. ALL of the users are allegedly lesbians too so what I suspect is that they're just the very coomers I talked about because all they need to praise an anime as the best shit ever are two underaged feMCs.
It genuinely makes me wonder how many of these people are actually male trans dudes because these people love to whiteknight and scream about being super lesbian.
No.9193
>>9189>It genuinely makes me wonder how many of these people are actually male trans dudes because these people love to whiteknight and scream about being super lesbian.In my experience, every "lesbian" I encountered who wouldn't shut up about it and was anti male character was actually a dude.
No.9202
>>9194>ethically make itaka she is saying straight girls can't "ethically" make mlm, and I bet this post was made by a tif kek.
No.9203
>>9194there's no fujo union to fight for humane working conditions and fair wages. there was that whole fiasco with lezhin a few years back. for danmei webnovels some authors get horrendously bullied by their own readers if they have to take a break from updates. and we all know the JP manga industry is notorious for its crazy deadlines. there's no ethical yaoi under capitalism.
No.9206
>>9194>were the yaois farm grown and given plenty of grass to eatI'm having flashbacks to that Victuuri doujin.
No.9212
>>9194The mentality of only gay men (minority status) can write yaoi instead of evil straight women (majority oppressors) is so individualistic, Western, and retarded
No.9214
>>9202I know I was making a joke
>>9206Link? Sounds weird but I'm curious
No.9215
>>9178>coomers who want to see hot women making outBarring the blatantly gross moid art, this is the best category. Don't see what's wrong with wanting to see hot women make out, wanting to see hot people make out is the basis of any romantic/erotic art. Cute pure uwu lesbian media has some great titles even if it's often a snoozefest. The best lesbian media is a crossover between coomer and sentimental and it's not true that only fujos make it (though yuri by fujos hits hard, i fully agree with you). It's sad that lesbian media is divided between coomer shit (whore) and uguu AGP fodder (madonna) but it's not always like this. I know you're playing devil's advocate and i'm not arguing with you per se but
>headcanon the pretty boys as butch lesbiansThis is just bisexual cope. Or even straight cope if we're talking about neo-tumblrinas with major shame around being straight. People who say this shit do not think female homosexuality is real, because they claim lesbian status even though it's obvious they're male attracted *and* fujoshis. End of derail
>>9169>Why does everyone have to pretend a very heterosexual series or pairing is actually super kweer all the time?Some shame around their sexuality, it's like how TiFs insist they don't coom to BL, they just want to feel 'represented'. But it's mostly playing with labels because they're starved for attention and mystery
No.9221
>>9194Imaging living like this. Spending hours upon hours scrolling through everybody's profile to decide whether it's morally correct to like someone's gay shipping fanart.
I can just recommend everybody to slap the "FUJO" label right into the bio. It will save both us and them a lot of trouble. My life improved since I added "Fujo(成人腐)18↑" into my profile.
No.9222
>>9215>Or even straight cope if we're talking about neo-tumblrinas with major shame around being straight. Most of the times I see people headcanon an M/F ship as t4t or "lesbians" (t4t is more common though, and if both are M/M they still become t4t and heterofied) because they're afraid of liking a god forbid, cis straight ship.
Even "queer straight" (bi girl/bi man) is wrong, they have to be some level of trans or whatever
No.9227
>>9222I hate performative wokeness so fucking much. These people never do jackshit to help others or actually act progressive in any way, they just search for reasons to attack cartoon and game fans and call them out for things they never said to feel morally superior.
No.9234
>>9212yeah and it's actual misogyny, not wanting to read things created by women just because they are women.
No.9237
>>9232you know, given how so much yaoi discourse today is trans-centric gendie infighting, i forgot that 2000s/2010s discourse was usually just literal garden-variety homophobia
No.9278
>>9237It's true though. I remember when people used to cry about being called a homophobe for being so aggressively against yaoi but in the end most of them were. If you find the thought of two fictional men being in love so revolting you have to put some cringe anti-yaoi badge on your profile or scream (CHARACTER) IS NOT GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! every chance you get when you wouldn't have the same energy for him being shipped with a woman then yeah, you pretty obviously have something against the portrayal of gay relationships.
No.9281
>>9278Nowadays they try to hide that fact by throwing biphobia accusations at fujos.
"Why can't X get with a woman? Bisexuals exist. You're erasing their bisexuality. You are so BIPHOBIC!"
The funny thing is that yurifags use the same logic too. "Bayonetta can also be bisexual. Shipping her with Jeanne is showcasing her bisexuality. STOP TRYING TO ERASE BISEXUALS, YOU BIPHOBIC BIGOT"
No.9283
>>9233Not surprised to see Yuri and Flynn brought up here. While I was playing the game I found myself thinking that it almost comes off as intentional how shippable they are. Childhood friends to enemies to rivals. I would've liked to be around in the fujo part of the Tales fanbase when it was new.
No.9286
>>9278>Something something integrity of the character and making them gay is LITERALLY CHARACTER ABUSEAlthough I'd obviously rather have people not being homophobic, I can't deny that the song and dance that they would come up with for why hating gay couples in anime/games (including canon ones on occasion) was not entertaining on some level (especially if you look at old evageeks posts).
>>9283I was thinking of Zestiria's sorey x mikleo for the pseudo canon gay ship (I really should get into tales at some point…)
No.9292
>>9290Fuck I meant Axel, well it still works.
>>9291oh damn they went off hardcore kek
No.9294
>>9283>I would've liked to be around in the fujo part of the Tales fanbase when it was new.As an oldfag I was around back then and I have to say, Tales fujoism was very mundane and people just kind of vibed with it. To my recollection there was no "HE'S NOT GAY!!!!!!!!!!" kind of infighting because the fandom consisted of fujos who also kept it pretty PC, explicit stuff wasn't very common. It's so sad the series was killed off because it was like the only JRPG that was dominated by a female audience. Sorry for blogposting, just had to reminiscence a bit.
>>9286>Something something integrity of the character and making them gay is LITERALLY CHARACTER ABUSEIt's so, so dumb. "No really, I'm not a homophobe, I don't have anything against gay people but IF YOU SHIP THIS CHARACTER WITH ANOTHER CHARACTER OF THE SAME SEX YOU'RE LITERALLY SLANDERING THEM AND I'M PUTTING 10 STAMPS ON MY PROFILE YELLING ABOUT HOW MUCH I HATE IT!!! got nothing against gays though"
No.9295
>>9294I think tales being a more niche series compared to say, Naruto and Kingdom hearts (at least in the western fandom) also contributed to that, generally the more popular a series is the more underaged normies it's gonna bring in after all.
>It's so, so dumbMakes me wonder what the next type of anti fujos are gonna be kek.
We went from 90s to early 2010s unsubtle homophobia to mid 2010s to early 2020s "muh fetishization" troon stuff until shitposting made being a fujoshi cool, I guess people could argue that we're currently in a "YOU NEED TO CARE MORE ABOUT FEMALE CHARACTERS" era but that's more a leftover from the fetishization era imo.
No.9300
>>9295>I guess people could argue that we're currently in a "YOU NEED TO CARE MORE ABOUT FEMALE CHARACTERS" era but that's more a leftover from the fetishization era imo.This is the current discourse in BL circles and I want these fake ass hetty bettys to get the fuck out of BL fandom.
No.9301
>>9296AYRT. Yeah, that's how I remember it being, especially the part about people being more fans of the characters rather than the ships. The Tales fandom was one of the chillest I've ever been in, people generally minded their own business and didn't fight over ships. Very "live and let live" kind of mindset.
>>9295The "you need to care more about female characters" is definitely the current shoe they're throwing at us after the fetishization accusations went out of style. As things are in the Current world, maybe the next will be just open homophobia again.
No.9302
>>9301>maybe the next will be just open homophobia againHave you been living under a rock? We're already at this point. 'Ironic homophobia' jokes are cool with the kiddies now, like saying '[BL ship you don't like] turned me homophobic', throwing homophobic terms at real life gay actors, and other stupid shit. Apparently going on about how limp-wristed your fave is is now the height of comedy.
No.9305
>>9295>I guess people could argue that we're currently in a "YOU NEED TO CARE MORE ABOUT FEMALE CHARACTERS" eraIt's that plus
>why isn't yuri as popular?!>isn't it misogyny that the lame canon female love interest is getting "ignored"?!>why don't fujoshi like female characters?! why don't you write het or fix the canon female characters?!>fujoshi hate themselves because they self-interest into the uke!and also muh fetishization
No.9306
>>9305They're also pissed that female characters aren't more prominent in BL and that it's misogyny when they're not highlighted in BL
No.9307
>>9300>hetty bettysI like this one, I'm gonna take it.
>maybe the next will be just open homophobia againI feel like that would only work on smaller sites since they'd probably get ratio'd on anime twitter.
>>9305For a minute troons were claiming yaoi was transphobic because the uke was a representation of trans women lmao, I'm kinda curious if that's gonna become a running one in the future.
>why isn't yuri as popular?!I don't get this since it's so easy to explain
>yuri is more popular with guys, but self inserting and having a waifu is the main thing in guy otaku fandom>yaoi is the main thing with female otakus No.9308
>>9305>lame canon female love interest is getting "ignored">fix the canon female charactersI treat the canon love interests unusually well for a fujo and will occasionally get people snippy at me about it, either through anon comments or vagueposting. You can't win. In one instance it's a small fandom so I'm technically her most prolific writer (and also her best one if you'll allow me some pride), but if you want to read about her being cool you must venture into my BL dungeon. Like if they can read a by-their-own-admission "great" story with her in it but can't get over that she's not in her canon ship, I don't think they actually like her…
>>9307>claiming yaoi was transphobic because the uke was a representation of trans women lmaoI remember this and thankfully the modern HSTS does not find the argument compelling.
No.9309
>>9308>the modern HSTS does not find the argument compellingThat's the extra funny part, it was AGPs kek.
No.9310
>>9307>For a minute troons were claiming yaoi was transphobic because the uke was a representation of trans women lmaolmao of course AGPs think women's porn revolves around them! everything women do is about them! troons and crossdressers are soooo desirable among women, such a classic female fantasy
>>9308>you can't winI usually ignore the canon li (why would a woman feature in a gay love story?) or have her in the background as a supportive friend. people will complain about those two options, they whine about having the girl get paired off, they whine if the girl dies, they whine if the girl gets "erased", they whine if there's infidelity in canon relationship, they whine about everything
No.9312
>>9311>that third picNature is healing. ♥
No.9314
>>9313>Can't recommend BL without insulting fujoshi in the process>If one or both of the mains is trans it's not even real BL anywayI dunno why you'd even bother at this point. I guess some people just actively want to be miserable.
No.9315
>>9312>Nature is healing. ♥I was so happy, these comments were just the tip of the iceberg. There were so many fujos fighting back.
>>9313I swear this person needs a job or a new hobby because yuri isn't distracting them enough.
>cares about trans characters.No wonder they're yuri works aren't popping off. A good chunk of yuri fans are secretly not accepting of trans characters.
No.9316
>>9311>Every time I get a hit yaoi tweet it legitimately takes off my life span >Any hit tweet revolving around those men is chipping away at my lifeThen don’t tweet about those men? What is the issue here? If women liking yaoi is so damaging to her life then she should simply not engage with it. But I guess seeing thousands of likes on her tweets shitting on fujos gives her dopamine so she won’t stop.
No.9318
>>9313That's a BL? Bullshit kek there's crossdressing yaoi that looks less like yuri than that.
No.9319
>>9317Unrelated but I shipped the brothers in S1, I'm pretty salty that the other ship took off in s2 onwards because the protagonist is ugly.
No.9320
>>9319I’m glad I’m not the only one that was salty that the brothers weren’t the ship that took off kek.
No.9322
>>9321Hwang Jun-ho/Frontman vs Frontman/Seong Gihun.
No.9323
>>9311>>9313>>9317>"lesbian" obsessed with cooming to yuri and hatesperging about fujos>she/her>transLike clockwork. I remember when the yurifags on Lolcow seething over fujos got so mad over a yuricow thread being made they mass reported it to get banned on grounds of being "just another troon thread" which was such a self-own kek
No.9324
>>9313>BL>trans characters So….its yuri?
No.9341
>>9325>>9324I read the main comic and there's zero mention of trans characters anywhere. Seems like it's just a headcanon
No.9352
>>9165I hate the LADS fandom and the game itself. It's a sign of how bad gacha has gotten for fujos. If you want to play a game that isn't just a clicking simulator there's nothing for you as a fujo besides Hoyoverse. Now people are more schizo than ever about "Master Love". Even incels will praise LADS yumes because they see them as successful gatekeeper since incels hate fujos more, which makes it funnier when Hoyo haters say that yumes are very oppressed. Yumes get to determined that the future of gacha for husbandos are otome games where you can't homo ship at all and calling fujos misogynists who want them to get "cucked". Yumes are always shitting on fujos in mixed spaces. Joseimuke boards allow yumes to shit on fujos but fujos are never allowed to return fire. Fujos will always be second class citizens in the gachasphere since we have to share with both incels and yumes.
No.9353
>>9352>nothing for you as a fujo besides HoyoverseI always see people who play other EN gachaslop shit all over Hoyo for no particular reason and I just realized that it's probably because there's a large fujo presence.
No.9355
>>9295Now antifujosim is replaced by himejoshis hating it, yumes hating it, and troons hating it.
No.9358
>>9352Are you referring to that /vmg/ gen? I have nothing against LADS and know many zasshoku types who enjoy otome and fujo media, but some of the yumes in there have been ragebaiting and starting infighting for no reason. It reeks of insecurity when your game is successful but somehow your focus is on fujo ships/drama instead of the latest patch updates. I don't even give a fuck about haikveh but seeing all that money being poured into that KFC collab and it going viral gives me a lil schadenfreude knowing that it pisses a lot of annoying moids and yumes off.
No.9360
>>9352>>9355Everyone envies us because no matter the hate we get we still seem to thrive, even across the centuries all the way back to ancient Greece! Ha ha ha!
No.9362
>>9358>It reeks of insecurityThis. I hope the thread dies soon, it's literally the only general I visit over there anymore and these schizos have made it unbearable. No Stacy, I don't care that some rando on xitter made two of your ugly kpop boys kiss.
No.9368
>>9353I hate Hoyo so much for the type of fan wars they encourage among everyone including the fujos, and for selling out to incels and getting a pass for it as long as they add in some minor yaoibait (all in timed minor events or in merch) but the hate they get from incels and yumes alike from having a fujo culture while other gachas don't is obvious. I hate how bad gacha is for fujos now. Incels hate it, himejoshis hate it, and yumes are very loud about hating it and crying that they get nothing. Now the future of games for husbandos and female players must all be otome with only the female MCs and no interaction between guys because yumes and fujos can't coexist the way they used to.
>>9358The joseimuke board has always been like that but it's gotten worse because LADS banning BL fanwork (I only for contests but still) has encouraged the fans to be hostile towards any sort of M/M shipping. These same people hate otome games that let you pick the gender, or have been complaining when joseimuke games like Ensemble Stars do fujobait in addition to yumebait, but LADS upped the ante of anti fujo sentiment. This is why I don't like the people who claim otome games are the future of husbandos for gacha since the nature of them means fujos still have nothing. I do think fujos want to play real games too, not only BL games, and the ability of fujos to ship no matter how hostile the fans or the source material are is a positive thing about us, but it also means we get much less and have to deal with scraps.
>>9362Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertion, it's why I wish there could be a joseimuke game without one. /vmg/ is taken over by yumes and the rest of the boards are even worse. Gacha drama is nothing but incels crying that games don't have enough self-insert bait, it's pure cancer.
No.9370
>>9368>I do think fujos want to play real games too, not only BL gamesI wanted to like Nu carnival so badly but I gave up on it cause the gameplay was fundamentally uninteresting. If there's ever going to be a BL gacha with interesting gameplay I can only assume it would have to be Infold deciding to make a BL game to complete their 'aimed at women' collection but I doubt they'll actually go for it.
No.9372
>>9352I think the boys look creepy and I hate self-insert shit, but I can't bring myself to hate its existence because it pisses off a large subset of men kek.
>calling fujos misogynists who want them to get "cucked"This is the only part that bothers me about the fans of LADS. I don't understand if they just genuinely believe you can't enjoy fiction without self-inserting or what their problem is. I've also noticed a lot of them getting very defensive if you don't like the way the guys look, which is also very weird.
>>9368>I do think fujos want to play real games too, not only BL gamesI wish we got regular, non-gacha games with BL in them more than anything.
>Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertionI used to play a lot of gachas, and this is why I quit. It seems like everyone wants the MC to be a self-insert, which also detracts from whatever story the gacha is trying to tell. I never got into Genshin because it wasn't the type of gacha I like, but I knew it was a bad omen for the genre.
No.9374
>>9371I think a better example of anon's point would be people getting mad about the age gap in "Call Me By Your Name". "Real" LGBT narratives tend to be more uncomfortable and sexually charged (or violent) than tenderqueer shit written by a gender questioning AFAB on tumblr who has never fucked.
>>9372Genshin is the only gacha I like because outside of the occasional bait I like the lore. Even when I take breaks I keep up with the story. It's like getting drip-fed a PS2 JRPG series. I'd much rather have a real game though, you're right.
No.9376
>>9370As someone who has been playing NuC since day one you really aren't missing anything. At this point I log in to do my dailies to get a copy of the only boy I like twice, maybe three times if they are feeling generous, a year.
>Infold deciding to make a BL game to complete their 'aimed at women' collectionCan Infold even do that? They are based in China, doubt they want to anger the CCP…
>>9368>Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertion, it's why I wish there could be a joseimuke game without one.At this point I've fully given up hope in wishing for joseimuke gacha with no self insertion, it goes against the state of the current market and none of these companies are willing to take risks. They just copy what's hot at the moment.
No.9377
>>9376>Can Infold even do that? They are based in China, doubt they want to anger the CCPOh yeah, I tend to forget that cause I play Infinity nikki in EN with JP voices so subconsciously I've been thinking of it as a JP game even though it isn't.
No.9380
>>9371Like they're not wrong, but picking fucking Adam the sex pest and rapist was the worst example of this to bring up, and with Enta it was pretty bad optics for him to kiss an unconscious person. I agree that tenderqueers who like gay things only when gay things beyond handholding aren't included are annoying but come on, you could've talked about something like how Shiro from Voltron being an adult gay man was seen as a predatory pedo just because he was an adult and not a soft teenage-coded boy.
No.9381
>>9372> I can't bring myself to hate its existence because it pisses off a large subset of men kek.I don't hate that it exists but I do hate it being the only option for husbando gacha since they hate fujos so much. Men have always hated her romance aimed at women and their misogyny isn't to be defended, but I also can't like these yumes and shoujo fans because they always punch down on fujos.
>I wish we got regular, non-gacha games with BL in them more than anything.I don't even want strict BL, even just a story with husbandos or ones that are friendly to fujos to ship. This is why Hoyo is so popular, the characters may be boring and unable to reach their full potential because the gacha has to move onto the next shilled waifu, but it's very ripe for fandom with the ability to ship in a big open world, or well, it was. But Genshin now pandering more to incels and the self-insert schizos getting louder ruined that story too.
>>9374>It's like getting drip-fed a PS2 JRPG seriesThis is why the game got so popular and it's a shame we don't get rpgs like that anymore either. Very few of them with an anime style that are friendly to fujos around anymore.
>>9376They don't have make a BL game, they could make a game with a mixed cast and no romance. There actually are other games in China that do have mixed casts and are fine with shipbait besides Hoyo, but they aren't high budget open world games or localized into English because they're not from big companies so they don't get noticed. Hoyoverse proves they can fujobait just fine, they even pay for tags on social media. It's just the problem is that their fujobait is a Trojan horse for the waifubait, the devs real passion, to dominate most of the actual games. Once again fujos ability to ship and always be creative can be used to not deliver as much.
No.9382
>>9380Adam wasn't a rapist and I think agreeing with this respectability politics over that is retarded. Even Enta too, I'm sorry but it's baby brain to be this triggered over a preteen boy. I discount your point completely when you talk like a twitter anti.
No.9383
>>9368LADS banned BL fanwork from all of their official communities IIRC, not just the contests. Chinese yumes went turbo homophobe over it, logging on xitter via a VPN just to gloat about how fujos are cooked and they can fuck off with their disgusting gay shit even though many LADS fans said they would be fine with gay artwork of their boyfriends. The yumes even attacked people who posted gay ship artwork on their own personal profile.
>Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertionAnd now that Chinese high budget gacha games have killed off literal genres and rely entirely on microtransactions, it's only going to get worse. You don't get AAA JRPG titles anymore because everyone wants to rot their brains with self-insert ML games that throw them a new expensive husbando/waifu every month. Asian fujos settle for scraps all the time so they're given a bit of bait every now and then to lead them on and they'll produce endless amounts of creative fan works for free while getting beaten up by parasitic incels and yumes left and right. I really don't know any other way to work around this than simply focus on original content and support each other.
No.9384
The LADS guys are all so ugly, the yumes can have them
No.9385
>>9383Maybe yumes would loosen up if they got boyfriends irl instead of competing on the internet for the worst social rejects title
No.9386
>>9384Seconding, I don't even get why a fujo would be into it since the guys are ugly and aren't allowed to interact
It's such a bizarre turn from JP otome and galge where everyone's allowed to interact but I guess China thinks their husbando/waifu just interacting with a character who isn't the self insert is cuckoldry kek.
No.9389
>>9385This.
Most of them are so thirsty for romance, they just want to live out their dream relationship through a fantasy self-insert, and in the process, they forget how real relationships actually work.
It's the male equivalent of guys who say 2d girls are better.
No.9390
>>9385>>9389Honestly, I understand the feeling of finding real men unappealing or intimidating. Especially in countries where traditional gender roles are still pushed hard. I just wish they wouldn't take their frustrations out on us.
No.9392
>>9390>I understand the feeling of finding real men unappealing or intimidatingyeah I understand it too, if they didn't act zealous and possesive over fictional boys like it's their actual bfs I wouldn't mind.
No.9395
>>9380>Adam the sex pest and rapist >Enta it was pretty bad optics for him to kiss an unconscious person>teenage-coded boyThis site isn't Tumblr. Nobody's cheering you on for calling BL works
>problematicor whatever - the contrary. You are the epitome of what users of this site hate: a culture warrior on a crusade to stamp out 'bad' elements in the genre. You are the reason why everything in media is turning into safe, boring rehash of past works.
No.9396
>>9395Way to completely go around the point made in this context because you couldn't contain your spergery about muh ass jay dubya cultural warriors reeee. The original post was correct in bringing up an actual problem, but Adam is not a good example of it i.e. healthy gay representation being sidelined since he was aggressively pushing himself on a character that wasn't interested in him and was clearly made from the mold of a hypersexual okama character who can't keep his dick in his pants. Enta's case is much more charitable because shy teenagers who can't express their affection straightforward could do something like he did (kissing a sleeping person) because they don't know how dubious it is, but for what it's worth I never saw people despise him to the same extent they did with Adam. inb4 he acted the way he did because of muh abuse yeah but that still doesn't mean anything here.
No.9411
>>9370I would die happy for a fujobait game with cute gnc boys….
No.9417
>>9390My one problem with them is they call fujos "male centered" and misogynists because we don't self insert. How is wanting to romance a male character somehow less "male centered" than shipping two male characters?
>>9396Not that nonna but I don't give a fuck about "healthy gay rep". I don't think Adam is a "rapist". Sk8 is meant to be a wacky show more like something in the 00s, you can't see Adam literally and his redemption is literally due to the power of friendship. You sound like a purityfag who only wants "wholesome" characters with anxiety while shitting on fujos who like anything else.
No.9423
>>9417Jesus fucking christ will you read the original post here the "realistic gay experiences" was exactly the topic of discussion.
>>9371 No.9424
>>9412Dude is just cringe and over the top. I honestly think the absolute worst is acting like hitting people with his skateboard is a valid move. Wtf is up with that shit it should instantly disqualify you.
No.9429
>>9424I was under the impression that Langa was a minor so in my mind while rapist is a bit extreme it does seem like Adam was being a creep in-universe. I don't actually care from a moral perspective, though.
No.9434
>>9396>healthy gay representation…What happened to this place?
No.9436
>>9435
no. hsr is an afk game.
It takes months, but you can level yourself up and just auto the entire game sans mandatory control. The story is overrated by teenagers with no high literacy experience and genuinely think it has the deepest lore and interesting characters when it's as shallow as a $10 backyard pool.
The men are great, but the chemistry and characterizations are like 80% headcanon and 10% party dialogue quips. I genuinely tried to get into the world and lore but it's insulting if you have an expectation above prose slop
No.9451
>>9434Read the 4chan screenshot the person is responding to holy fuck
>>9371. Nobody is saying gay relations in fiction need to be healthy we all grew up on Loveless she's saying those campy gay rapists and dark BL is not an authentic gay experience. It's escapism for women, it can explore dark ""problematic"" shit and thats not a bad thing.
No.9453
>>9451>it can explore dark ""problematic"" shit and thats not a bad thingSome of us won't even consume hetero or lesbian media even if its sweet and 'unproblematic' tbh.
No.9454
>>9451This cover is a crime…of fashion!
Even in my teens I could never get into this series just because of the cat ears thing.
No.9580
>>9578>grape>censoring the word rapeI can't take their concerns seriously when they refer to something so serious like that. Tiktok and Youtube are really changing the way kids speak and for the worse.
No.9581
>>9578With this logic, every piece of media should make everyone have low self-esteem because we can't compete with how most fictional characters are made out to be.
No.9582
>>9580what pisses me off the most about this is that at some point everyone just collectively decided to censor words like that, i dont know why or when this happend but it just takes every bit of seriousness away from what theyre trying to say, especially if its supposed to be educative
the moment someone censors words like that you know exactly what kind of person they are
No.9583
>>9451And why does this need to be explained with the same language normies use? We all know this.
No.9586
>>9578>ive been a bl fan for almost a year and i cant find bl that doesnt include rapeLiterally how? There's so much wholesome BL out there, even if you exclusively browse places like MRM I've never had any trouble finding cute SFW BL to read when I'm in the mood for it. It's pretty rare for a BL to catch me off guard when it comes to problematic shit, if something features rape or incest or whatever you can usually tell by the synopsis, tags or even cover art honestly. Someone please teach people how to gauge a series before reading it instead of just reading whatever popular manwha their tiktok FYP spoonfeeds them. It reminds me of people on places like mangadex that decide to read a manga literally called shota oni and are unironically shocked that it's a shota manga. Same for the anime in vidrel. Who in their right mind decides to watch Super Lovers and is genuinely blindsided by the age gap? You take a glance at the cover image and you instantly know what you're getting into.
No.9587
>>9586Its more likely that they're into that stuff and just virtue signalling about it. Also, some people consider kabedon or forced kisses on the same level of sexual assault for some reason.
No.9592
>>9580My "favorite" is when they use 1337 speak to talk about a real-life tragedy or atrocity. If I had to type like a fucking gamer to discuss the deaths of someone's loved ones, I just wouldn't talk about the tragedy at that point. I also hate how half of them are supposed to be funny, as that feels like a specific brand of evil. Regardless of what form of censorship you use, it feels so immensely disrespectful to be talking about a person's "$u1c1d3" or "self deletion" or "sewer slide."
>>9586There are literally people who curate lists of wholesome BL. The only way you cannot find wholesome BL is if you're not looking for it. Even for the chronically lazy, you can Google "BL manga without rape." That requires ZERO effort. I genuinely believe they look for content that will make them mad.
No.9593
>>9592It's because people are used to TikTok and Youtube, where you're not allowed to speak properly, else your stuff gets de-monitized or taken down.
No.9594
>>9587This is how I see it as well, they're out there reading Jinx and BJ Alex etc all the time while bitching about how problematic it is. Girl you're on chapter 40 and could've dropped it after the first rape, why are you lying to yourself? They're not real.
No.9595
>>9581>>9578Those are girls with massive self esteem issues who can only enjoy a piece of media if they insert themselves onto fictional characters. It's like a mix between narcissism and sociopathy
No.9598
>>9593I wonder why they didn't use the twitter method. When twitter started autobanning users the moment they said the word "kill" in a post, people just started talking the same way they did when avoiding getting in search results, ex. "k/ill" or "k.ill".
My fave of the unnecessary censorship is the fandom of a series where one of the main characters tries to kill or injure himself every episode he's in, it's his thing. They have an animated discord sticker of him hanging himself with a noose that is free to use in general chat, but every time you share art or discussion of him you have to post "tw: sui" or "tw: sh", under a spoiler tag so they can't even see the word you're warning for, because
seeing the word may be triggering. How do people even filter for this if they don't want to see it? They'd have to include every stupid variation and guess what comical euphemism is next. I could get if someone you know killed themselves and you didn't want to see depictions of it for a while, but hiding the word isn't going to help people make informed decisions about what fanworks they open. It's way easier to hit the spoilered image than the teeny tiny three letter word under spoiler tag.
No.9601
>>9593>else your stuff gets de-monitizedI know this might be controversial, but if you choose to refer to a real person's suicide as a "self vibe check" so you can make money off a video about it, I think that's incredibly tacky at best. Also, there are other ways you can censor your words without resorting to meme phrasing.
No.9634
>>9424You're taking a goofy sports anime too seriously. Man, I hoped this place would at least be free of moralfaggotry and taking characters too literally when the show is meant to ber over the top and a homage to older tropes, but I guess not.
No.9636
>>9635You just know someone's take will be dog shit when they're specialized in philosophy.
No.9639
>>9635I read the article. The author seems to understand some of the reasons why women enjoy yaoi but then goes into the usual
>there's sexual assualt>yaoi is a projection of female sexuality therefore every fujoshi self-inserts>there's no female characters>how sexist, you can be creative and write interesting heterosexual dynamics in fictionWhy do our erotic fantasies as women always have to be nitpicked and hyper-analyzed in a world where men open up PornHub and watch virgin stepsister gangbang blowjob anal featuring real women? Why is it our responsibility to fix boring annoying female characters we don't care about written by male authors?
What if I WANT to see fictional gay boys because it's hot to me? Why assume our sexual interests are all passive, it seems sexist to me. If I wanted het I would go out and find het. I desire to see the active presence of dick inside male butt. Every fujo critic seems to struggle with the concept of fujoshi not self-inserting too.
No.9640
>>9635Yes, I am
>>9634 is just autistic.
In fact, I'm making light of the fact that Adam's biggest problem isn't even related to the whole Langa debacle.
>muh moralfaggotrygoddamn lmao
No.9641
>>9639>>how sexist, you can be creative and write interesting heterosexual dynamics in fictionThey just can't realize we want to see a world where men fall in love with other men, they literally can't conceptualize the fact that we read yaoi to see how men experience relationship dynamics without us. Those are the same people that think women are 1=1 with men, we are the same as men, so for them we should logically have no preference for yaoi since we are all the same.
There will never be a solution to these arguments because everything needs to be warped and structured for moralfag reasons.
No.9642
>>9639This is why I never go out of my way to read these kinds articles but I suppose its always good to quash these kinds of misconceptions. Some people just want to think they know better than others.
If only they would at least try to make an effort into understanding people rather than make statements outright of something they don't understand. But I guess that's too much to ask for someone who is probably just picking up whichever topic just to publish something online.
No.9643
>>9639I never see anyone complaining about badly written men in yuri, or lack of presence of men in yuri, unless it's the odd complaint about the menz being evil. In fact, yurifags prefer there to be no men present at all. Why is only BL held to some ridiculous standard with female characters?
And in het, chances are, both genders are written badly. Plenty of haremslop where every other woman is an evil jealous bitch and every man is one dimensional bf.
No.9644
>>9643>Why is only BL held to some ridiculous standardCause we are women and BL sells a lot more than they'd like to admit, they can't make it massively appealing like they can with yuri or het content, they can't control it much either.
No.9645
>>9643BL is dominated by female creators and female fans so UNESCO has designated it as the cultural institution for the international feminist movement. For every yaoi manga that fails the Bechdel test the gender pay gap widens. Every 60 seconds of male-male unprotected anal sex in yaoi manga is another minute of female erasure in popular media. If only you fujoshis (insert fun fact about rotten girl literal translation here to pad the word count) know how grave the situation is.
…Ok seriously though, media that's popular with women are always easy targets for sanctimonious feminists. First they came for romance novels 50 shades Twilight and I did not speak out etc. That's not to say that yaoi/BL is without flaws but when the example of YAOI BAD!!!11 is *Rabu Suteji* you know they're not here for sincere debate or critical analysis.
No.9646
>>9643because they actually don't care about well-written characters and just want a way to complain about yaoi. it's why twilight haters whined about edward the vampire being a bad role model for girls while not giving a fuck when boys watched porn or played fps. men liking lesbians is NORMAL but we are GROSS.
No.9647
>>9639>there's sexual assualtI'm gonna preface by saying I'm not a fan of sexualized SA scenes but I get the appeal in terms of character development. Are we just not allowed to explore dark themes?
>yaoi is a projection of female sexuality therefore every fujoshi self-insertsWhy would every story need a self-insert?
>there's no female charactersNot every piece of media needs to feature every single path in life. It's no less sexist to exclude women as it's no less racist to exclude white people. Sometimes a work calls for an all-male cast.
>how sexist, you can be creative and write interesting heterosexual dynamics in fictionThing is, I know plenty of fujos who enjoy het pairings, the key is chemistry. Most canon het lacks this thus fujos lean into shipping the guys together instead of your run of the mill hetslop pairing that must exist because the author said so and not the people who were invested in better options. I'll never understand yumes and canonshippers who are baffled you don't enjoy canon, preferring to explore different alternatives via fanfiction or other avenues as the source material just isn't cutting it.
No.9648
>>9639>yaoi is a projection of female sexuality therefore every fujoshi self-insertsI'm so tired of seeing this argument because it makes no sense. Did these people bypass the stage in development where you're supposed to understand that other people have thoughts, opinions, and experiences that differ from your own? It's so hard to believe these people genuinely self insert onto every piece of media they've ever consumed. Like, when they read a biography, do they have to see themselves as the central figure? If their friend is telling them a story about her day, do they have to envision themselves as the friend? It's so weird that it makes me think they're lying because surely nobody normal consumes media that way.
>there's no female charactersThat's not even true for a lot of BL VNs and longer BL media, but even if it were, is it wrong to prefer a story with no women over a story with poorly written women? Obviously, the ideal is neither, but is it weird that women are more drawn to BL than High School DxD? I feel like these people would unironically argue that Oreimo is a feminist piece of media because it has a predominantly female cast and technically passes the Bechdel test.
>>9645>media that's popular with women are always easy targets for sanctimonious feministsIt's also a great cover for men to shit on female-oriented media under the guise of being concerned for women.
No.9649
>>9648I wonder if "projection" is the correct wording to use and that's just the confusion we have, not really "self-inserting". Ultimately a lot of romance shows are not rooted much in reality anyway so who cares.
I will be put off when I see a male character that behaves a little too feminine for my tastes and maybe that's where people think the female author or reader is self-inserting???
No.9653
>>8907Speaking of KF (and I know this is a late reply), but they just made a yaoi thread because of how much certain users sperg about it and… hoo boy
No.9654
Why do some antifujos regard bl as a fetish and therefore leading on with the usual "porn will ruin your dope receptors" argument? Doesn't entertainment in general cause dope receptors to go bye bye by using overstimulation. People's attention spans have shorten once videos online realized longer vids are just background noise, shorter ones are what keep people engaged. Bl offers so much in storytelling besides sex but detractors will always hyperfixate on the gross sides of the hobby.
No.9655
>>9654Its too easy for the majority to believe that they must be in "the right" and they must scapegoat the minority rather than deal with the insurmountable evidence that the biggest problems lie amongst themselves because that would be too much work to deal with.
No.9656
>>9653I hope that thread dies soon because it isn't even entertaining to read. I don't know why KF's posters have gotten so much worse over the years (and don't say, "they were never good" because even if you think that, you have to acknowledge they've gotten worse). These people are typing up multiple paragraphs about the ethics of mpreg. Remember when KF used to laugh at weirdos online instead of writing essays about why they're morally correct for laughing at those weirdos? I know I'm not wrong because if you go back to the beginning of the Gloria Tesch or JustinRPG threads (these are just examples I remember enjoying at the time), they're not full of people talking about how they're actually doing the morally correct thing by laughing at these people. Nobody's writing a five paragraph essay to explain why it's actually impossible to marry Reshiram, and how we should take it as a sign of society’s moral decay that JustinRPG wants to marry Reshiram while also being eaten by her. Even looking at political cows like The Amazing Atheist, while people acted a bit more morally outraged in those threads, they still weren't this bad. If TJ Kirk shoved a banana up his ass today, people would write a dissertation about how it's actually a representation of how women spiritually and mentally rape men in the ass instead of focusing how inherently funny that situation is.
They could just laugh about weird fujo shit, maybe read some shitty ABO webtoon and report back about the crazy stuff that happens or make fun of scanlation groups and their drama, but they don't. They get genuinely upset and rant about how porn gave them erectile dysfunction or how women use psychological violence to traumatize men (and now I'm traumatized from that guy's psychological violence of not using paragraph breaks). An mpreg thread 10 years ago would've looked so different from how it looks now. Obviously, being a fujo is not the same as wanting to get eaten by Reshiram, but if these people just found fujos cringe, they wouldn't be acting like this. The only good posts were the one where someone edited the Chad Guy to wear a shirt that says, "I love mpreg" and the response where someone edited himself mowing down Mpreg Chad with his car. Everything else is the exact caliber of shit I expect to see on Reddit, and it's not even remotely funny. There is nothing good online anymore. I'm so fucking tired of emotional vampires sucking the fun out of every website.
And yes, I recognize the irony of me typing out a dissertation on my sad feelings about the Internet being shit, but I'm also not writing this on a fucking lolcow (emphasis on lol) website. No.9657
>>9656It's been a while since I went on Kiwifarms but I already remember back then finding it so embarrassing when in the lolcow threads I frequented, like the Kevin Gibes thread, the users would type out long comments addressed to the lolcow in question as if it was some totally epic takedown.
No.9658
>>9653It's maddening how that thread is filled with a-log scrotes and pickmes that don't even bother providing milk. But what can I expect considering the current state of KF? The News section was a mistake.
>>9656Hard agree nonna, 10 pages and no notable mention of ship wars, pro/anti discourse or the sherlock conspiracy shit? Those chad edits are the only funny thing in the thread
, the closest thread right now for fandom milk is the fanfic thread if you're interested. No.9659
>>9656You are not wrong. The internet has gotten progressively worse and it has empowered the kind of hostile mentally ill people to spread their poison all over and giving them a platform.
No.9660
>>9653On the other hand I want to read it just to laugh at the users' retardation because Kiwifarms is more suitable for treating the posters as lolcows rather than the subjects but then again I don't want to be ragebaited or give them attention.
>>9656Kiwifarms was never good and the userbase has always been full of insufferable adult children but yeah, it's gotten even worse over the years. Not only in regards to the users treating the threads as their personal blogs where they hold dick measuring contests about who has it worse or how much better people they are than the subject itself, but it's also rampant with open bigotry because fatherless zoomer men seek attention by dropping edgespeak and slurs left and right.
>If TJ Kirk shoved a banana up his ass today, people would write a dissertation about how it's actually a representation of how women spiritually and mentally rape men in the ass instead of focusing how inherently funny that situation is.Basically. They keep making fun of twitterfags for doing these mental gymnastics to justify laughing at a cow but do the exact same thing themselves, just instead of "this cow is a morally corrupt whatever-ist/phobic" they say "this cow is a morally corrupt degenerate (and it's the women's fault somehow)". But this is why I stopped using lolcow.farm as well, instead of focusing on laughing at stupid people online doing dumb shit the threads are just attention-starved people treating the threads as their diaries or soapboxes because they just can't stop inserting themselves into the narrative. It has the same energy as the old artist cow threads where people were more occupied with trying to flex on everyone by drawing increasingly shitty "redlines" and redraws of the cow's work.
No.9664
>>9662All lolcowfarm bitches do is lie and moralfag. Just say you dont like the "stinky fujos and their bls" and move on you sanctimonious twat.
No.9665
>>9664This. I can't stand their pearl clutching asses these days.
No.9666
>>9662We could have fujo/slasher heaven on the internet if we just banned children from the internet. We don’t need to go back to the black market fujos days. Also I hate that they keep blaming bl for tifs when a lot of tifs are yumes, but of course they lump yumetifs in with fujotifs and call them all fujos.
No.9667
>>9666This. They like to ignore that the vast majority of people on the "selfship" tag are tifs.
Western fandom is barraged by troons in general these days, they're literally unavoidable.
No.9668
>>9664The fact they they lied about being a fujo is hilarious, did they really think anybody would buy it?
No.9669
>>9662I like that this person is talking about how people need to go outside while simultaneously complaining about people posting online about old man yaoi, which is one of the most chronically online things you could complain about.
No.9670
>>9662>when slash stacys were(…) having sex with other mensee, there it goes again
another barely thinly veiled "what happened to all the straight girlies who like MEN?"
No.9671
>>9662What kind of Leopards ate my face fujoism is this? LC gets more unhinged by the minute.
No.9672
>>9670nonna I know the sentence structure was retarded but that's not what she was saying at all…
No.9674
>>9662How is already mentally ill young women trooning out "because" of BL the first thing that comes to mind in this context? As opposed to, you know, young boys finding very violent live action porn online and turning violent themselves, strangling and coercing their first girlfriends into having painful sex once they're old enough, developing an addiction (a real one I mean), sexually harassing their female classmates that are just trying to mind their own business, seeing women as a whole as nothing but objects made for their pleasure and not as fellow human beings, etc. Saying BL makes its fans turn into aydens is as stupid as GTA and Doom turning players into school shooters.
>go outside and talk to other people to get access to this contentDepending on where you live it's either piss easy, completely impossible or anything in-between. Some fujoshi live in countries and big cities with a shit ton of very interesting anime conventions where they meet fans of the same pairings and can buy fanzines/doujinshi from each other, some have enough money to buy doujinshi online even with taxes and shipping fees, others come from countries with lots of BL manga officially translated and published and can easily ask book stores to order them for them. And on the other hands plenty of fujoshi are too poor for any of that or live in places where nothing is going on so they torrent everything and really on pixiv, AO3 and social media. You'd think an actual fujoshi would know that but I guess not. The anon in that screenshot is obviously not a fujoshi.
And by the way, I started seeing tweets that are blocked in Europe that were part of informative threads on historical events like criminal cases. Given the context from the tweets I could see it was obvious the content wasn't NSFW or even commonly published in textbooks for kids or teenagers in school but I guess I still can't access any of this. Some tweets also had very clearly NSFW art but the guys weren't butt naked in the artworks so the tweets are still accessible for European minors. Make it make sense
No.9676
>>9666>but of course they lump yumetifs in with fujotifs and call them all fujosBased. I find the distinction to be so important.
No.9677
>>9662lol BL doesn't make "girls transgender" and aidens though annoying are a negligible part of the BL fandom anyways.
what actually makes "girls transgender" is a social climate towards gender that these lolcowers are more than happy to perpetrate.
ive been a fujo since from when i was 13 years old and im a hyperfeminine misandrist at peace with her gender and bisexuality who never wished to be a man and abhors masculine adjacent things.
not saying that makes me better than anyone but this rhetoric of BL turning women trans isn't true in my experience and that of plenty of women i know personally.
No.9679
>>9678
NTA, but I have had thoughts of being a boy since before I was 10 and before I ever watched a BL or even interacted with any forum online that talked about it. I didn't have traumatic experiences, and any negative sexual experiences were not any worse than what other women have gone through in their youth, I think.
I'm not really a fan of the idea of identifying as "trans" so I just generally avoid talking about it.
No.9680
>>9678
It's more that trying out different genders is a trend in younger generations, they know the option exists and have the freedom to do it online where they can create whatever identity they want. You open any social media where people age 13-25 are participating in fandom activities and you'll see a bunch of he/him and she/they, but it's all ends of fandom and shipping, and primarily that younger age group. I wouldn't say that's "I saw BL and decided to be a man," I'd say it's "everyone talks like it's possible and it's tough being a nerdy girl, so I'll try being something else."
I can't say for sure if they bring it into real life, you don't want kids to post their entire real circumstances after all, but consider that they can avoid bullying by keeping their heads down and only doing it online or in friend circles. All you'll see online is their confident persona outside of the classroom, which can be misleading to people who only see their twitter profiles.
On top of that, if you are online too much and involved in gender arguments you'll be recommended the loudest of trans users who retweet TEEHEE GIRL YAOI and OWO I'MMA BOY KISSER crap. My knowledge is limited to what gets reposted and what I see in passing (mostly the kids - inescapable on discords, but thankfully very lax on piracy laws), but I really doubt the people who tweet every day about being trans are that deep into actual BL. If they were super involved in a hobby they'd probably just talk about the hobby instead of themselves, y'know? There's 100,000s of accounts that chat about series and games and shit and never go trans, or at least, never had time/energy to shout about it. It's their confirmation bias to assume that trans politics accounts are a majority in BL spaces, and it's just poor thinking to assume that every teenager will be the same person for the rest of their lives. We will see more trans people in the future, but that's just general society, and it won't outweigh the number who tried it and it didn't fit. The fujo-to-TIF pipeline only started being an argument when everything was suddenly a pipeline to trans.
No.9682
>>9680>The fujo-to-TIF pipeline only started being an argument when everything was suddenly a pipeline to trans.And this is the part most lolcow variety radfems overlook. Literally everything turns young people trans now and it's not even because of some grand woke brainwashing scheme but because of societal factors. In India the amount of young girls who wanted to transition skyrocketed once the procedures and medication became more accessible because they're constantly surrounded by open misogyny and violent rapists being let go free, not because they spent their days online reading yaoi. We should also remember that research shows that there's a notable correlation with autism and gender dysphoria because autistic people have trouble sorting out the reasoning why they feel a certain way, and they also develop hyperfixations to pursue aggressively. There are so many reasons to why transing happens and most of it boils down to it being so relevant in the current zeitgeist and offering easy answers to people struggling with their identity and pretending that it's simply because picking up a yaoi comic shot troonbeams into their heads is ridiculous.
>I really doubt the people who tweet every day about being trans are that deep into actual BL.Exactly. Most of them don't read BL, don't really participate in the community besides moralfagging and bringing the vibes down, they're only there to draw their daddy x self insert cuntboy OCs (usually an already existing ship they simply headcanoned) or repost other peoples' daddy x self insert cuntboy OC art. The overwhelming majority of active fujos who engage with the hobby beyond self insertion and conducting endless trans anthologies are cis women.
No.9684
>>9683Its just creative writing. Its a common trope for people to use the "hidden monster" to describe every silly personal hang up that you don't speak about publicly. Watching too many shows that make these metaphors real and people begin using them to describe themselves.
No.9685
>>9683I guess that someone who tries to deceive others could relate to a character who is secretly an eldritch monster. Doubt that a school-age girl was perfectly stealth and nobody knew about her secret tho kek
No.9686
>>9685>I guess that someone who tries to deceive othersImagine telling a poor teenager who is struggling with their identity to be a deceiver
No.9687
>>9686She is literally trying to deceive other people into thinking she is male, yes
No.9688
>>9687Who are you to know who and what people feel and identify as? Do you not believe in souls and stuff like that?
I find the trans discourse annoying, but until you know the person well you simply can't lump them all.
Personally if I had a choice I would have chosen to be born male and nothing in my over 35 years experience has changed that perspective.
No.9691
>>9688>Who are you to know who and what people feel and identify as?we're talking about a tif in a screenshot who wrote about living presenting as a "cis-boy" and being afraid about someone discovering her secret
>Do you not believe in souls and stuff like that?not really, I don't believe in gender identity stuff for sure
>I find the trans discourse annoying, but until you know the person well you simply can't lump them all. Personally if I had a choice I would have chosen to be born male and nothing in my over 35 years experience has changed that perspectiveTrying to pass or live "stealth" is trying to deceive others into thinking you are something you are not, that's what I'm saying. I don't have it out for all trans individuals individually or lump them all together; I hate gender ideology itself. I have no issue with gender non-conforming people or people with dysphoria or women dealing with misogyny or just people actually trying to live their own life. I struggled a lot with internalized misogyny and hatred for my body/self when I was younger personally.
No.9692
i just don't get why a rhetoric as retrograde and dumb as "gender is a feeling" which is basically on par with saying that women like pink and men like blue gets so much support.
i think people should be able to live how they want regardless of their biological sex, and that what makes you a man or a woman is your genitals and not personality traits or preferences. recognizing this is crucial because it would help ending so many kinds of unfair treatments in society, and trans bs just sets us back while being seemingly "progressive".
having said that, autoandrophylia is probably a thing, and BL might be a fodder for these types, but it's nowhere as common as AGP, it's not a problem besides being annoying, and it's nowhere near a valid reason to ban or even just shit en passe on BL.
No.9693
>>9691So you are just ok with sperging out and letting everyone know every one of the things that are on your mind otherwise its actively lying? Are you seriously promoting this idea as healthy?
Are you on board with gay people or atheist people being forced to come out to their religious families because otherwise they are being deceitful?
Do you admit you like BL in public to your family and strangers or do you deceive them also by keeping this to yourself?
Because all this goes along the same line of your idea of being deceitful, because unfortunately we simply cannot say everything in our inner world to anyone.
While the person in the image was trying to pass as a cis guy (or maybe its a MTF tranny?) at the end of the day who cares? Do you know how many people there are on the daily that pretend to be what they are not? Some people pretend to be nice while they are actively stabbing others in the back.
How do you feel about the MTF transexuals? And the ladyboys of Thailand? Do you think this is an exclusively post 2000s thing? The surge has only grown bigger because of the attention it keeps getting tbh.
>>9692I used to think this way until I realized that I could not get into passing as a woman and feel really unfulfilled even in my sex life. I feel more natural around men exclusively, and detest that they end up liking me because of my body. Which feels as awkward as another man or a lesbian would feel in that situation. Its a lose lose.
Its easy to forget about it when you are on the internet and you are as anon as everyone else. When you actually interact socially with many people, you end up disappointed that the dynamics dont end up being what you hoped they would be.
Just let people be. Complain when it affects BL the same way I do - I dont like cuntboys or reverse traps, etc. I complain about it and that makes sense because when we seek out BL for natural males, not something else.
Thats when you should be complaining.
No.9694
>>9692I mean, it's pretty clear that some people are just seemingly born feeling like they want to be the opposite sex, but brains can do all sorts of weird shit to you. There are people with extreme body dysmorphia who think they 'need' a limb removed or they're extremely fat while being a skelly. Fetishes can show up from a young age almost as if the brain got a bad dice roll. What's making 5 year old boys decide to try on their female relatives' clothing? Are they born like that? Who fucking knows.
Either way, transness seems a lot less clear-cut than something like sexual orientation, especially when you get into nonbinary genders. It's all about an individual's feelings and self-identification, which can change. The only problem is everyone having to play along. So what if a woman who has gone through shit like FGM or other horrific shit specifically for her body doesn't feel comfortable considering a trans woman a woman? So what if random strangers don't read your mind and recognise you as voidgender? Identity is extremely personal. You can't control the entire planet's thoughts and feelings.
I guess you can draw parallels to homophobes not seeing gay marriage as real marriage or not thinking being gay is real, but you can go have gay sex. Meanwhile, people with genderfeelz need (You) specifically to validate them at all times.
No.9696
>trannyshit
This has to be bait, please dont let this site have any stupid gender nonsense.
No.9699
>>9697>that is not trueIs she implying that guys give a shit about vivzie ships kek, they just like the furry stuff.
No.9701
>>9697lmao i've seen that top 5, my otp in second place! ♥
usual retardation ensued ofc. there's an entire thread under that post of a hime complaining about ivantill and saying it's misogyny that it's more popular than mizisua lol
why do they always use the mysogyny card?
No.9702
>>9700Every few years people find a new acceptable reason to hate on fujos/BL lol. This is why I don't look at "fandom twitter" anymore, even on a lurker account shit like that would plague my timeline.
No.9703
>>9701>why do they always use the mysogyny card?They can't separate fiction from reality
>>9702Doesn't seem to effect mine, but I also don't use twitter super often.
No.9704
>>9703that user is always at the scene of the crime. apparently to her policing what other women do 24/7 isn't misogyny though
No.9705
>>9704But remember nonnie, she is NOT entitled.
No.9706
>>9703I honestly don't even care about being misogynistic now. I will just fully embrace it and welcome it kek
No.9707
>>9703its funny because i'm pretty sure that being misandrist plays a role in me being a fujo. im the opposite of a misogynist lol
No.9709
>>9707>being misandrist plays a role in me being a fujoThat's actually interesting in a way. Care to share? I'll only judge you silently hahah
No.9712
>>9709ahaha of course nona ♥ i think there are three key aspects to it
one is that my misandry makes me assume men have the emotional depth of a cactus and are very shallow when it comes to romantic relationships, caring only about sex and a woman's look.
so when i see two guys in love in a fictional setting, i get the perception their love for each other is so strong and pure it changes them. for this to work on me, the guys usually have to be straight or have an undefined sexuality. if they're explicitly gay i don't get the same idealized and fuzzy feelings, because then they're not really going against their ugly nature and just following base instincts as usual. their romance doesn’t feel as intense to me in that case.
the second reason is that disliking men makes me feel some sexual sadism towards them. seeing a man crying, vulnerable and mistreated like it often happens in BL turns me on.
the third reason is kinda political, as in i'm tired of seeing women sexualized all the time, i find it depressing and demeaning. having a genre where that can't happen at all because everyone is a man is refreshing to me. despite being bisexual, i avoid pornographic content with women in it partly due to this.
there are other reasons why i like BL, and lots of them are not linked to my misandry in the slightest. but i would be lying if i said it wasnt somewhat relevant. i hope i managed to get my point across at least a little!
No.9713
>>9697>>9703We need a reaction image that just says "if you don't like the flavor of my cake, bake your own."
No.9714
>>9683This would be better suited to the aiden thread but for fuck's sake, can't I enjoy any monsterboy / non-human boy at this point without TIFs thinking it's a trans allegory?
No.9716
>>9714Its just the current era flavor of "being mutant is an allegory for being gay"
No.9719
>>9639I believe the people who say fujos are self inserting and that's why its misogyny are the people who can't consume fiction without self inserting themselves, and so they project that onto all fujos. Their biggest rage at fujos is that fujos aren't producing enough free fanfiction for them to self insert onto and consume. The yumes are mad because they think fujos are taking away their husband and ruining their self insert fantasy. The himejoshis are mad because they think fujos should be writing more yuri where they can self insert instead. Using fiction as free therapy has become the norm in fandoms.
No.9723
>>9703Man, I'm so over this unending moralfagging everywhere in fandom. I wish people went back to saying fujos are stinky annoying fangirls instead of these pseudo-intellectual dissertations on the morality of women looking at cartoon buttfucking. The worst part is that even "edgy" spaces are filled with this shit, like other nonas upthread mentioned when talking about KF. It's not even fun to look at anti-fujos seething anymore when so many of their unmedicated rants make me feel like I'm at Sunday school.
People can't just laugh at the cringy autismo fujos going kyaaaa anymore, they have to insert a million buzzword salads about fetishization/misogyny/male-centrism/pickmeism. It's one of the main things that makes the modern internet so exhausting. Unclench ffs.
No.9729
>>9719>himejoshis I'm kinda offended that yurifags get a cutesy term and we get a term that tells us we are rotten or corrupted. As if they didn't have equal or more capacity to be rotten or corrupted themselves. Now that is some bullcrap…
No.9732
>>9729Our fujoshi elders took an insulting name and made it their own. Wear the title of rotten girl with pride, nona. Calling yourself a princess is boring anyway.
No.9735
>>9732Ironically I'm old and embraced the term, but lately I feel like I want something more gallant sounding! ;_;
No.9739
>>9729I talked to a Japanese fujo in a scanlation team once and she told me "nobody even uses himejoshi, they're just yurichu and yuributa." But those seem to be the derogatory terms so I don't know what Japanese yuri fans use for themselves. Chu is still pretty cute.
No.9752
>>9739kek we need to popularize the term "yuripig"
No.9758
>>9729>>9739I want to remind annoying twitter "himes" the term himejoshi comes from comic yurihime which has published a bunch of le problematic content like incest anthologies (both siscon and mother/daughter!!) and oneeloli manga to get them to have some humility.
embrace yuributa. (I don't actually dislike yuri, just a particular type of annoying fake twitter yuri fan who spends more time crying about fujos than engaging with yuri works)
No.9774
>>9656People get defensive when its brought up, but this, to me, is proof that zoomers are more conservative. This shift online is very noticeable since people in their 20s tend to dominate whatever the zeitgeist is and guess what generation is that age now. Older fandom didn't bring up morals and real life sexuality into hating things nearly as much as people do now. Why else does everyone, from your average chud to someone xitter progressive with the troon flag, all have the exact same views on sexuality in fiction and all talk the exact same way?
No.9775
>>9774If there's one good thing about this payment processor shit it's that it has brought attention to how puritanical zoomers have gotten. So many online-enough-to-know-better people acted like they were above the "pro/anti" thing (which is admittedly very cringe) and are now genuinely surprised that this is what happened. They owe the closest fujos to them financial compensation and an apology!!!
No.9776
>>9775I want to see hetties seething and suffering. Is there a thread for that? I don't participate in online discourse so I don't know if its happening.
No.9779
>>9774At the same time zoomers have an epidemic of violent sex where men choke or slap them unprompted during sex because their brains are broken by porn and girls dress up like Euphoria characters talking about wanting to become an Onlyfans model but on the other hand half of the zoomers act extremely puritan and like sex is always a degenerate act and not a normal part of life. Their relationship to sexuality is so polarized with no room for regular experimentation because it all has to be a grand performance, either by being an IRL porn star or a sex-repulsed preacher. Accessible internet porn at a young age with no sex education besides the abstinence-based kind has warped their minds.
No.9781
>>9780The point of life is to have gay sex, what are they on about
No.9800
>>9780then why do men have gspots in their asses
No.9801
there's currently a huge tantrum thrown by yuritards on twitter about the ao3 list, when will they learn that no one will write their fics for them?
No.9802
>>9801>a huge tantrum thrown by yuritardsWhat a huge surprise.
Also on top of being lazy and not being good writers to begin with, why don't they bitch about the straight fics? why it's always us?
No.9803
>>9801Ah yes the annual spergout. The algorithm has shielded me from all discourse. Thanks Elon Musk.
No.9807
>>9801Literally every year without fail. When will they learn to just make their own content? Say what you will about furries but even the ones with the most disgusting niche fetishes will just make their own stuff or pump tons of money into artists who will draw it for them.
No.9810
>>9807They won't make their own content because they're not mad that yuri fics "don't exist" (they do) but because yaoi fics are a thing at all. That tweet that said something along the lines of "most of you people don't even like yuri, you just hate yaoi" hit the nail on the head.
No.9812
>>9811>>9801ao3 is open source and full of self-submitted writing people make for free in their free time. yuritards are crying over something being popular and writers not creating something they want for free
No.9819
>>9801More about the content itself rather than numbers, yurifags contribute to their own erasure more than anyone else given they have 100x more tranny and futashit than any other category tbhdesu. Despite it all they still uphold their het in disguise fics as more woke/progressive than what fujos write so I don't feel bad for them at all kek
No.9831
>>9801I hate the person who keeps publishing these stupid lists that causes people to act like kpop stans and do the same anti fujoshi discourse that makes fandom unenjoyable for at least a week because everyone has to talk about it. Can that person get a real fucking job?
>>9811The theory that fandom is becoming shit because the majority of people self-insert and can't comprehend that fanfic isn't always for self-insertion remains undefeated. This person can't read fic without needing a "literally me" character, then they accuse other people of erasing them because they're not writing fics with enough female characters experiencing romance. Even though she can go to traditional published books and get plenty of hetero content.
No.9840
>>9807a lot of yuritards or girls that have "lesbian" in bio that i see always ship the most basic, run of the mill straight shit ever.
I just think it's different flavors of straight girls that wanna desperately feel unique because deep down they know they aren't, given everything they like is literally slop.
I mean 5 out of 6 of those girls play genshin impact and like kpop.
No.9842
>>9836>demon slayer picI just said they always like slop and I didn't even notice that profile pic, like clockwork lol
No.9844
>>9811Why doesn't she go to barnes and nobles to buy one of those female erotic bdsm books always on stock on the shelfs? Lots of them are on sale so it should be affordable for her kek.
Btw this went viral on twitter some time ago, it's the same thing.
Narcissistic people that think misogyny = doesn't care about me.
What worries them it's not women hate, it's hate for them personally.
They get personally offended when nobody wants to read about their wet dreams.
I mean everytime there is drama about bl it's always these people coping.
No.9845
>>9840It's always them thinking Hoyoverse is a lesbian company and then when their lesbian fave gets baited with the male mc they cry about it but then still don't admit that Hoyoverse is yuribaiting and not making "representation". This has always been a problem with gachafags who don't get that all girls raising idol games are for middle aged Japanese salarymen and not twitter teenagers.
No.9846
>>9801twitterfags need to realise that they are one of the major reasons for the lack of female character centric content. These people get extremely mad when someone interprets a female character in a different way from them. They think all girl characters should be written as uwu perfect girlbosses and if you write anything that mentions their flaws(you know, the things that make a character interesting?) or something that goes against their approved headcanons they will attack you and call you a misogynist, racist etc. This is also the reason why most femslash content doesn't get popular–because most of it is over sanitised and boring. I'm not even talking about actual 'problematic' content, but stuff like making all the girls be besties even when they canonically have conflict because 'le female solidarity' or
fixing personality traits that they think are offensive….
I have a lot of female characters that I like and want to make content for but I avoid even talking about them beyond surface level because I don't want to get attacked and cancelled by one of these types of people.
Also is it just me, or are 90% of the people who get ultra defensive over female characters/celebrities usually comically misogynist against real life women? It feels like they just do this feminist act to absolve themselves of guilt about how terrible they actually are to other women.
No.9847
>>9846>are 90% of the people who get ultra defensive over female characters/celebrities usually comically misogynist against real life women?They treat real life like it's fiction, and fiction like it's reality.
No.9849
>>9848I think the list is interesting to see what's currently on people's radar and to possibly motivate me to get into new stuff but it's unfortunate to see the reasoning being so cringe.
No.9851
>>9848The data is also not accurate, to my understanding:
https://www.tumblr.com/5ummit/738707388904898560/ao3-ship-stats-year-in-bad-data>>9849Randomist1031 does the same thing but with better methodology and without the handwringing:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/68516766 No.9852
>>9848I'm so tired. I'm so, so tired of this discourse. I recognize the strife people have when it comes to the lack of fanfiction focused on women, but these people should take their grievances to these big media conglomerates that absolutely fucking refuse to create engaging female characters, who only produce f/f and m/f ships that are slop (coom or not) through and through, and discuss this shit on a societal level of why women end up relating more to male characters and how it lets them live through the gender that isn't nerfed and has all the opportunities in the world instead of lashing out at the regular people simply working with the material they're given.
And not only that, the m/m slashfic scene was created at a time when the female representation was even worse than it is now and goes back so many decades, and it has become somewhat the symbol of female autonomy. There's so many doujins, fanfics, zines, fanart, etc. that has been created over that time, of course it's inspiring a bigger audience than f/f that's still being associated with moidgaze lesbian porn and a sneaky way for male writers to make a woman sexually/romantically accessible without cucking the men because female relationships aren't real relationships.
And for the third point, with m/f you don't NEED to create fanfic. Everything is canonized in the show and leaves nothing to the imagination, m/f is the dominating genre of romance across the board no matter where you look. There's nothing to titillate you into thinking "what if". None of these people have the same energy to attack men who only see female characters as something to defile sexually and hate female gaze male characters because they make them feel insecure. It's nothing more but a bad faith power trip and I refuse to acknowledge them until they learn to address the actual issues rather than crybullying fujos for writing 5000-word gay fics about their skrunklies and blorbos to share with other women because they know they will bend a knee and try to address the issue with sincerity.
No.9853
>>9852Using fanfic to spare the canon love interest from her disappointing romance where she is second banana to the homosocial antagonist/brother/friend/rival is the ultimate feminist move.
No.9856
>>9855At this point, I'm starting to question if its a psy op or if fauxjos are genuinely that stupid.
No.9857
>>9855There are a lot of """fujos""" on Lolcow that claim the label but have a terminal Not Like Other Fujos disease because the site is so anti-fujo you develop stockholm syndrome and start desperately licking antifujo boots to assimilate and stay on that hellsite without losing their minds. The amount of people there who unironically defend strict censorship without nuance as if we learned literally nothing from China or Russia where obscenity laws are exploited to ban anything even slightly opposing the status quo or the government is simply staggering. No, they won't ban porn and the laws aren't made to "protect children and women". It's pushing the envelope. People are being slowly boiled alive like frogs by first banning something sensible, and the next steps keep on coming. Pick up a goddamn book about how authoritarianism took over Russia.
No.9858
>>9845>girls raising idol games are for middle aged Japanese salarymenReality is so funny and messed up kek
No.9859
>>9855The post she's referring to said she didn't care about human trafficking victims and only about yaoi, but it was obviously bait from most likely an antifujo and yet for some reason that anon took it literal.
No.9862
>>9856Its definitely a psyop. But you may still lose support over careless friendly fire. Especially when you drag already disenfranchised people.
No.9863
>>9852>why women end up relating more to male characters*shrugs* I still do this even with good, strong women in the media. I actually complain more about not having enough good gay characters, or having them and then turning them straightish like Garak from Star Trek DS9 who was seemingly gay especially with the doctor guy but they had to force a female love interest for him too which muddled his sexuality more.
>but bisexuals exist!!I am aware of it.
No.9874
>>9845Uma musume is huge right now thanks to japanese salary men and even western men.
>>9811>men would never do thisalmost every anime or gacha game men are into is like 95% girls cast. There’s usually just one dude, the main character, and half the time he’s barely even a character. Sometimes he’s literally invisible or just there as a self-insert.
He doesn’t get any real development either, while the girls get full story arcs, emotional growth, relationships etc. He’s just kind of… there. To Love Ru is a perfect example: all the character depth goes to the girls, and the main guy is just reacting to stuff the whole time.
So I'd say yeah, they are invested into the female characters and not the male characters
No.9879
>>9852>I recognize the strife people have when it comes to the lack of fanfiction focused on womenThe last two big fanfictions made by women featuring female main characters were fifty shades of grey (originally a Twilight fanfic) and after (One Direction fanfic)
I'd say female characters in fics and novels are doing just fine.
I don't think people will ever be interested in a strong female character that is written like a nonbinary they/them that can kill all the guys in the show.
That kind of thing will never be popular.
No.9880
>>9879Don't forget Reylo's many pull-to-publish fics, as well as the big Draco/Hermione one about to happen. I don't think a fujo has ever or could ever swing this kind of deal. I've seen a few m/m fics get turned into original stuff but it's always self pub on Amazon.
No.9881
>>9880The closest thing we got is Red, White, and Royal Blue which was inspired by the 2016 US presidential elections which means it's sorta like political rpf if you tilt your head and squint your eyes.
No.9899
>>9898>I don't think f/f interactions are rare in most mediaThere are plenty more examples out there, but just in popular gacha titles alone you can see that there are more female than male characters in Genshin and HSR, but the M/M fanfics vastly outweigh the F/F and M/F ones. Lack of F/F interactions or "good" female representation in media are just dogshit copium.
No.9910
>>9899How are gachaslop women good female or lesbian representation? The female characters in hoyoshit especially are possibly the worst example to bring up in this context.
No.9913
>>9910>How are gachaslop women good female or lesbian representationThere is no good male or gay representation in the games I mentioned either. The point is that gacha character writing is mediocre in general, for both male and female characters. But that has never stopped fujos from churning out M/M fanfics even when said M/M ships do not receive any screentime nor canon interactions.
No.9914
>>9913Because most women are averse to the extremely sexualized, coomified male-written waifubait in those games so they'd rather engage with the male characters that might have slop writing but at least are made attractive to women in one way or another? This isn't the gotcha you think it is. Go back.
No.9915
>>9914>Because most women are averse to the extremely sexualized, coomified male-written waifubait in those games Nah hoyo female characters are still popular on twitter and have their own feminist lesbian apologists even if you filter out all the troons
>Go backTo fujochan? Lol
No.9917
>>9916half of those "bi" women are straight, they're just afraid to say it because they'll be accused of being a fetishizer or whatever. these stats don't mean anything
No.9918
>>9917I know they mean jack shit, but ancient Tumblr people such as this woman take literally everything at face-value. I bet if you were to explain it to her that most of her respondents are most likely not being honest she would start going on about bi-erasure or flat out strawman you.
No.9919
>>9916>>9917also how many of those gay responses are from "gay trans men"? or straight women identifying as asexual / queer / bi / pan / whatever?
No.9921
>>9916>Half of non-gray asexuals are another sexuality >Almost half of "I do not label my sexual orientation" picked a label for their sexual orientation>"Other" is basically uniqueness sprinkles to add on top of another sexuality>Straights are by far the most rooted in their sexuality (but would probably get dismissed as "heteronormative pressure")>Queer is somehow considered its own orientation and likely responsible for the lack of sole answersLol
Also interesting how being solely gay places last under actual sexualities, and as
>>9919 said are likely a lot of trans respondents
How much of this demographic is strictly lesbian? Gee I wonder why F/F is so underrepresented
No.9928
Nonnas are right, kiwifarms and lolcow really are full of retards who think that fujos want to fuck irl men and that lesbians who ship m/m want to fuck men. I don't know why it's so difficult for people to understand that that not every single person who enjoys something in fiction wants to experience it in real life. Is enjoying characters as characters and not as either self-inserts or your fantasy boyfriend really that hard for people to get now?
No.9929
>>9928>>9928>Is enjoying characters as characters and not as either self-inserts or your fantasy boyfriend really that hard for people to get now?Men really don't, hence why there are no male shippers (and if they are, it's because they're heavily HEAVILY self-inserting into the guy see: all asuka/shinji shippers).
If it's other women, they've been likely indoctrinated to think that they always should be the center of attention and self-insert at all times (be it either through yumeing or projection)
No.9931
>>9928The amount of people who can't understand that someone can enjoy something without self inserting is actually insane. Kiwifarms is going through an "all anime and vtubers are pedophilia" arc and lolcow is going through a "if you're a fujoshi you're a pickme and a nlog" arc and they're both saying the end result is trooning out. They cannot comprehend you can like something, just enjoy it from an outsider point of view and it not being that deep.
No.9932
>>9916Give the self reporting asexuals some time. It's very easy to feel asexual when you're surrounded by disgusting sexualization on the internet and all of your friends have found their own definitive labels.
No.9933
>>9899Not this bullshit argument here. Gacha game women are the most distilled male fantasy of women ever while male characters aren't. Go blame the gacha yurifags for not writing fanfiction, not fujos. Gacha games like Hoyoslop may not have amazing canon anything, but the female characters are so neutered and without anything worth writing that of course the f/f fandom prefers to stick to visual porn over writing. Of course people defend their slop writing, but what is there to write about "overworked woman number 51" or "girl who is traveler waifubait" or "you thought this woman might be a villain but sike she's actually not". It's a snoozefest for f/f shipping and gachafags are more puritanical and full of antis compared to Western media f/f fans who actually write a lot more.
No.9935
>>9933>Go blame the gacha yurifags for not writing fanfiction, not fujosWhere in my post am I blaming fujos? I'm calling out yurishitters for making up dumb excuses for their lack of fanworks even when gachaslop throw out 4 lesbian diva queens from every 1 basic stoic male character.
No.9938
>>9928Well, I personally do want to fuck irl men. But I make a distinction that the men I pair up together are not paired up with me in any way nor am I self-inserting as one of the guys (even if I may strongly relate to them).
No.9939
>>9932What if I am asexual though? I'm hag age and the older I get the more repulsed I am by men. I don't like women either. I don't feel any physical attraction for anyone.
I like having deep intimate friendships, but the prospect of having a boyfriend/girlfriend bores me, takes too much time and effort to maintain and makes me realize I don't really care about people deep down.
No.9940
>>9938I don't understand why people think there is contradiction between wanting to fuck men and being a fujo but I've encountered it in almost every community I've joined.
No.9942
>>9931The amount of times I've unironically seen zoomers on tiktok and lolcow admit that they just read self-insert slop because there's no point in reading if you can't self insert and follow the "all fiction is self insertion" philosophy is staggering. People simply can not just enjoy a story from as a reader because they have terminal main character syndrome.
No.9946
>>9939I'm pretty young and I'm attracted to men, but I realize long-term, I'd never want to be tied down to a single man and would rather be forever alone if that was my only option. I honestly wish it were more socially acceptable and not still seen as bizarre and kinda weird to have a permanent heterosexual life partnership with another woman. Too many straight women will still go the male companion route despite saying they don't actually want to get married and shit because of peer pressure to look normal and well-adjusted.
No.9948
>>9945Accidentally read that latter part as "I think lesbians are hot, son", which would be a pretty funny line in an incest fic.
Dad no, that's not the same thing. No.9952
>>9946The idea of living with one or two platonic female friends was always my ideal both growing up and as I went through adulthood.
I'm hag-aged now, so most of the women I know are now either married or engaged It's been tough coming to terms with the fact that I'm considered the odd one for still feeling how I do. You're not alone, nona.
No.9953
>>9945does she think her parents are happy with her lol
No.9966
>>9946I'd rather just shack up with a lonely middle aged gay tbh. I've been roomies with my "bestie" and it was the worst of times. Then again, I don't consider her a friend just someone who still is tied to me through school life, so its like a distant cousin you don't really talk to, in a way.
No.9967
>>9963I hate everything about this post. And yes, I'm something of a biphobe and a gatekeeper myself when it comes to my pairs. Make one bi and its just a trojan horse for anyone to come up with a female OC to worm themselves into the romance. Like making Achilles cry over Briseis instead of Patroclus kind of thing.
Sorry for rambling lmao
No.9970
>>9935Weeb yurishits just don't write fic despite being loud on twitter. Meanwhile if you look at the fic list the f/f ships that made it are mostly from Western shows. A fucking Marvel ship on there ffs. Twitter himejoshis talk big shit about how influential Utena is, or Madoka, or how a gacha game is for lesbians, but they don't write shit. Most weeb yurishitters are too obsessed with their ships either being canon or needing to move past some threshold of purity, which is why they don't write and they don't motivate anyone to write. Hoyoverse himejoshis cancel a ship every week because they think its "pRoshIp" due to some daughter or sister zoning and then they blame fujos for no one wanting to cook for them.
No.9974
>>9963I’m taking this as a W for Brudick shippers
With that being said I actually disagreed with my friend that there was anything fujo in this movie (she thought Lex and him had some sexual tension but I didn’t see it at all)
No.9975
>>9972It keeps getting rted by fujos too trying to virtue signal that they're one of the good ones. Meanwhile yuri fans can be as misogynistic about fujos all they want and nobody cares because they value fictional characters over real women.
>>9973I notice with these people they only say the characters are bisexual so they can shoehorn in a m/f ship. People can ship whatever they want, a gacha game isn't going to confirm anything, but's also funny how angry these bi characters warriors get if someone says the same character is gay. Why wouldn't they call Mydei gay when he's mostly associated with male historical figures known for being into dudes? Even dumber are these people who claim that "mcsexual" waifus are bisexual. You know, some of the same waifus who are only shown with the male mc in marketing and who have 0 yuribait with other female characters because then incels would get mad.
No.9976
>>9973>>9975I understand bi's exist, but please don't come after the gay's stuff! If you're really bi then you should like both straight and gay pairings without having to self-insert yourself as a bi into one of them. What's the point? Go for love triangles instead of pairings then so you can assert your bi-ness???
It rustles my jimmies because good quality canon gays or fujobait are already so scarce, and always under threat of not being accepted. Why even take the risk when they can just pair them up with a female instead to make it acceptable! Then we end up empty-handed.
"Oh no, he's not one of those icky gays, see? He likes women too its just that one guy is a special case hahhaa nothing wrong with that lol"
No thanks. Leave my gays alone to be gay.
No.9977
>>9973>>9975Sorry, my post
>>9976 makes it sound like I was saying this to you guys directly lol I was just adding my 2 cents on the subject too
Its like people have run out of things to white-knight about these days. Like an endless spiral of nonsensical worthless arguments for the things that warrant it the least.
No.9978
>>9975>I notice with these people they only say the characters are bisexual so they can shoehorn in a m/f shipThat's exactly what it is. Bisexual warriors aren't doing this from a place of actual representation or bringing up real erasure. They mask their true intentions with those politically charged terms, but beneath it all, they just want to bring heterosexuality into the picture because:
1. They don't like m/m and/or are homophobes
2. They're yumes and/or self-inserters
In making a character bisexual, they can justify in their heads their yume headcanons and pretend their desired man can and will fuck them. A fandom I'm currently in is being plagued by m/f shippers acting persecuted by the "evil and unrelenting, biphobic" fujos for being mad at a female character brought into prominence. Mind you this is a fucking BL. Of course the fujos are going to be pissed their pair is being undermined by a fucking straight ship
No.9984
>>9963>antichristlol why is she so offended women don't want to read about her self inserts? "icky girls"
uuhhh
>if you are not into watching my self insert getting rammed by superman you must find women icky.It's always like this, women thirsty for men that want to be validated by other women in their thirst.
Find a bf and stop blaming women you can't be sexually aroused without projecting.
No.9986
>>9963I always was a Clark x Diana shipper, I never liked Lois Lane with Clark, do i get shit too? Probably.
No.9987
>>9978Almost every time I've seen someone sperg about "bi erasure" it's been a yume trying to use wokespeak to stop people from making her husbando "too gay", i.e. not straight enough to fuck her.
>Mind you this is a fucking BL. Kek IME yumes who read specifically webtoons and start headcanoning the male characters as bisexual are their own breed.
No.9988
>>9983Can confirm. I don't want to hear anything about any girl or woman fucking alike, whether consensual or not consensual, and it *will* put me off. Its knee-jerk reaction and depending on how bad it is I will either try to skip it or drop it entirely.
I just don't want to see it from the main characters especially.
No.9989
>>9983This is the purposefully obtuse kind of shit I'm completely bored with. Men commit like 98% of all sexual crimes, women are way more likely to be sexually assaulted and raped (and even in the case of male victims, the perpetrators are always male) and are much more likely to be severely injured or DIE from an assault and it's something most of us deal with in real life. Most media romanticizes our suffering like hell too, we're all burnt out by it. Of COURSE we don't want to see that shit happen to women in fiction! BL stories about these BL characters experiencing assault are so detached from reality that you can suspend your disbelief and go with the story.
No.10001
>>10000They really love that C.S. Lewis quote, don't they? I don't think men's complaints of fujos not understanding the supposed sanctity of male friendship ever went away, it's just drowned out by louder complaints of fujos fetishizing gay men.
No.10002
>>10001>They really love that C.S. Lewis quote, don't they? It’s not surprising that men love a quote by a raging misogynist about how he’s “TOTALLY NOT GAY”
No.10003
>>10000They love that stupid CS Lewis quote because then they can go
>fujos are so porn-addicted and media-illiterate that they can't even see the paternal bond between two friends!!>isn't it sooooo sad that we live in a society that doesn't even value (male) friendship!!It's just a way to shit on slash shippers while trying to sound smart. We aren't retarded, we know our pairings aren't canon but don't care. Most people who regurgitate that quote will eat up the blandest het slop too.
No.10004
>>10001>They really love that C.S. Lewis quote, don't they?I once said that a man who was so christian he wrote an entire book series about lion Jesus was the last man I'd listen to about homosexuality and people got soooo mad at me, lmao.
No.10005
>>10000Nice get.
I *do* respect male bonds and friendships. I don't ship *any* two men together, much less 'just because', unless I just want to see hot action between them in private like men fantasize about fucking women in private.
However, some of these friendships are closer bonds than they are depicted because of censorship. If we didn't have people bitching about two men together then authors wouldn't need to use ways to pass a relationship under the radar by disguising it as a friendship, which end up blurring the meaning of the word.
No.10006
>>10004They hated her because she told the truth
>>10005Personally I don’t care about male feelings period
No.10007
>>10002>>10004Tolkien will always be the superior contemporary lel
No.10008
>>10005>unless I just want to see hot action between them in private like men fantasize about fucking women in private.It's not in private, men talk about it openly. I refuse to care about men getting upset by this.
No.10010
>>10009Don't show them the wedding events, drone displays, exhibitions, animated billboards, etc.
No.10011
>>10009lol the only game that gained popularity is a freeware mobile game lmao.
None of the otome games that cost actual money and need someone computer smart enough to set the game up have become as popular as either drammatical murder or even lucky dog, who has had a strongly following since deviantart days.
I know dozens of otome games still untranslated on psp and psvita, lazy ass community.
Let them have fun with their gacha.
No.10012
>>10000Nice get!
It's crazy how insecure males are over everything, some women enjoy the friends to lovers tropes and they're like "NOOOOOOO MEN CAN BE FRIENDS, WE'RE NOT GAY FOR BEING FRIENDS STOP". I personally love the friends to lovers trope cuz it's so cute, and it makes moids seethe so it's a win win. Maybe stop caring about how women enjoy media, that might solve your problems.
No.10013
>>10009I mean fujos currently have two horny gacha games while yumes only have lads. AFAIK the profit the fujo ones make is unknown and I assume it has to do with the fact that they’re both 18+ but I’m pretty sure Noctilucent only came out because Nu Carnival was making good profits.
>>10012Men have a list of reasons why you can’t ship two guys and it ranges from “they’re not gay” to “they’re enemies, they’d never fall in love” to “they have girlfriends.” When all else fails they pull something out of their ass like “well it wasn’t the author’s intention and we should respect that.” And even after all these excuses, those men will still go on to write their own shitty self-insert fanfics where his self-insert gets a harem.
No.10014
>>10009Even then who cares about how much BL is profitable and can cater to a general audience? This is such a typical moid dick measuring contest mindset I cant even take it seriously (e.g. my thing makes more sales and has more players than your thing so your thing is dead and bad!)
Even if yaoi is outlawed and banned (oh wait) and nobody wants to make content for it, fangirls will exist and still create media for it thats on par to professionally published works for FUN and for the love creating it for themselves and other likeminded fujos. This is why I can't take antifujos saying they "won" when fujos get silenced during the nth fujo vs antifujo slap fight cause in the end who has the more active threads and content while the other is stuck in a perpetual samsara of infighting while their media thread remains stagnant
No.10015
>>10014>Even then who cares about how much BL is profitable and can cater to a general audience? This is such a typical moid dick measuring contest mindset I cant even take it seriously (e.g. my thing makes more sales and has more players than your thing so your thing is dead and bad!)>This is why I can't take antifujos saying they "won" when fujos get silenced during the nth fujo vs antifujo slap fight cause in the end who has the more active threads and content while the other is stuck in a perpetual samsara of infighting while their media thread remains stagnantFully agreed. Fujos will create professional quality fanart, literature and doujins for free or chump change at most simply because they love and adore the source material and the community and want to contribute. Danmei authors will keep printing their books despite the threat of being detained for writing "obscene material". Japanese fujos save literal franchises from sinking with their support. Meanwhile everyone else is being cucked by megacorps into paying for overpriced microtransactions to get a new PNG each month and gloating with the monthly gacha revenue rankings how hard they're sucking media conglomerate dick when we all know their interest will die in less than six months.
No.10016
>>10007Tolkien was the one that converted C.S Lewis to Christianity ironically
No.10017
>>10016Yes but Lewis chose to be protestant, much to Tolkien's dismay
No.10019
>>10018>Straight man accidentally stumbles into the truth that Kokichi/Kaito is better than Kokichi/ShuichiThis is probably bait, but I could imagine someone unfamiliar with shipping and basic ship tropes being confused about them except 100 Line which is textually the gayest thing he's ever written. It's not even subtext.
No.10023
>>10022I am extreamely disappointed to see them attacking independent creators like this.
No.10024
>>10022Are these people stupid? All one needs to do is google the history of BL to understand why BL is called yaoi.
No.10025
>>10024>Are these people stupid?yes
No.10026
>>10022this looks so much like bait but since its from tiktok it might actually not be
No.10027
>>10022If this girl is older than 12 then that's just sad. If this girl is 12 she should be taken off the internet immediately.
No.10033
>>10022It always kills me how narcissistic these aidens are, like no, I'm not fetishising you nor thinking about your ugly ass when I'm reading a NamelessShipping doujin, I'm thinking about Red and Blue. Actual gay men either don't care about yaoi or read it and interact with fujos (or at least in my experience), it's always aidens trying to victimise themselves.
No.10035
>>10022This discourse still exists in 2025? I thought it was put down like a sick animal in around 2023 after 6 years of post-Voltron fandom wars.
No.10036
>>10035The vid's from 2022 apparently.
No.10039
>>10033I don't get why people don't tell her "But BL is about cis gay/bisexual guys, how is a gay trans man being fetishized"?
No.10040
>>10036That explains it. The anti-fujo discourse in 2025 revolves more around "fujos hate women" rather than the fetishization narrative because the arguments made a full circle back into like 2000.
>>10039Every time people say this they just say "so you don't believe trans men are men? get fucked terf bitch".
No.10044
>>10030>>10043Your comments made me look it up too and inspired me to keep fetishizing gay men
https://myreadingmanga.info/kemeo-unfair-pokemon-dj-eng/ No.10047
>>10030>>10044>>10043I have nothing to contribute except to say I'm yet another nona who has fallen for the propaganda and read it thanks to these posts.
I always thought art of them together was cute, though. No.10049
>>10048Oh I certainly anticipate that. My only impression of pokemon was based on BW and SWSH that I completed purely gameplay wise, but I plan on playing Red just to be delusional about the journey itself and flesh out how the two thought of each other on their pursuit to become pokemon champion. Besides theres not much fujo bait that can be pulled from.. 8bit sprites LOL
I'm kind of shocked pokemon evaded my fujo radar for a long time, I guess it's because I avoid the fandom like the plague due to the horrible moid art of Hilda that traumatized me and the pokemons catching my interest over the human characters. Fuck… I've really been missing out
No.10054
>>10040I'm so sick of invalid complaints. I would just say "yes, I hate women" and then what are they gonna do? Seethe harder?
No.10055
>>10048Don't forget Silver technically undressing the player in HGSS kek
Though I hear Kieran has been super shipbaity and the yandere shota enjoyers have been having a lot of fun with that, but if you're like me and not into shota x shota then probably not worth it.
No.10056
>>10055Replying to myself like a dumbass for forgetting all about Volo who is great hero x villain bait if you're into that but there's barely any content for yaoi shipping involving him and the male MC because everyone played Akari so you will starve. But… the potential is there and I wish there was more. At least Masters is feeding me…
No.10057
>>10055>Though I hear Kieran has been super shipbaity and the yandere shota enjoyers have been having a lot of fun with thatIn a way he kinda reminds me of Silver because they're both edgy assholes due to their own insecurities but while Silver's aggression is related to daddy issues, Kieran is hyperfocused on the player for plot reasons.
No.10059
>>10055Kek, forgot about Silver doing that
Kieran I can see but he's waaay more popular with yumes than fujos (same with Volo)
Also never played past SM personally.
No.10067
>>10040I love how narcissistic this whole thing is
>you hate women because I decided it>your experience as a woman is invalid>now watch my retarded shoujo or ship my badly written straight couple I project onto>if you don’t like it, that makes me personally uncomfortable, so clearly you hate “women”ohh but at the same time these people would defend Hunter playing Zelda in the new Zelda movie, and taking away a role from actresses.
They also have a record of hating any female character that's not the main girl, EspeciallY if she is shipped with the main guy.
It's projection to it's finest, they hate women, they only like fictional women because, duh, they don't exist, they don't make them feel insecure, so they hate us or any girl that doesn't align with their creepy obsessive behaviour over the straight couples they project into.
No.10068
>>10014I don't care personally about dick measuring contests, I would love BL even if it was the least popular genre out there.
The thing is, it’s really not the case, we clearly have strong communities and plenty of merch made specifically for fujos.
Take Kaworu and Shinji, for example, there are countless figures of them posed together, and that’s despite Evangelion having big Rei and Asuka fanbases too, Yet the company still chose to market most heavily towards fujos.
So all in all, if it came down to a dick measuring contest, we have biggest dick.
No.10082
>>10001>cs lewisAnd why should I give a fuck what a Catholic moid 100 years ago thought
No.10083
>>10082The quote they're referencing is literally about how men and women can be friends without underlying sexual tension.
No.10087
>>10009This is why I hate yumes. I don't know if the op is a yume or an incel moid. Apparently there's some incels who even like lads because they hate fujos that much and they see lads as part of their view of what gacha games should be, which is "harem dating sims revolving around the mc". So boring because even as a fujo I don't want to only get into things that involve self insert.
No.10100
>>10082Lewis was protestant
No.10261
>>10258>Two delusional women break up because one of them wanted to get the "uke from the 00's" treatment and the other believing that's fetishization of gay men's relationshipskek, what's the main post?
Sometimes I wish anons added context to these type of screenshots, since this woman is clearly reacting to a post. Also stupid flood detection No.10262
>>10258>Trauma dumping in the repost tagsOne thing I didn't miss about tumblr.
>>10261Kek I think your summary is the gist of it, nonna.
No.10263
>>10258Fuck I hope gay men fetishize gay men. Do they hear themselves.
No.10264
>>10258>>10263Well, they're both women LARPing as men and the other party accuses the other of "fetishizing mlm" because she's not returning the sexual effort. The root issue seems to be the same as all the other antis crying about muh fetishization - despite considering themselves "gay men", they still have the female socialization and mindset where they know they're constantly being reduced to sexual objects for their birth sex so they begin projecting their experiences as objectified women into this "mlm fetishization" thing. Ergo, the other ftm feels like she's being used for unreciprocated sex acts by the other ftm, so she (albeit rightfully) considers that "fetishization". But because she identifies as a "gay male", she twists it into a "mlm fetishization" issue rather than a very archetypal situation where in a toxic female to female relationship the more "dominant" (i.e. the more desperate and emotionally attached) party has to service the pillow princess who wants to fuck around (often with men) and have her pussy eaten every night. It's such a tangled mess of cognitive dissonance and delusion it's hard to pull undone.
No.10392
>>10389angela is having a brain fart
No.10402
>>10389they do realise fujos like men fucking men right? what does a ship with a male and female have to do with that? just because Pomni has short hair or whatever does not make her a substitute for the hordes of faceless men that should be obliterating jax instead
No.10403
>>10402Out of curiosity I looked up the Ao3 stats and I don't think I've ever seen a series that isn't cgdgt have M/M as the lowest category before. I guess the inital pilot didn't capture me due to the lack of interesting characters so it makes sense.
Also
>Character x Reader highest m/m ship>Shit fandom No.10404
>>10389>Pomni>Nonbinary codedIgnoring the fact that "nonbinary coding" doesn't exist… bitch where? Isn't Zooble already a they/them character? If they wanted Pomni to be one they would have just made her one.
>>10403Damn Jax/Ribbit has 41 fics and I don't even think Ribbit is an actual character.
No.10405
>>10403This ship list reads like that joke about streaming service names.
No.10411
>>10389>Non binary coded>Ponmi doesn't wear a dress and is not ultrafeminine at all times, she's obviously not a woman. This is just what my sexist relatives sounded like when they saw me not wear make up, not shave, and being interested in women. Turns out they were super progressive all along!
No.10418
>>10389I refuse to take himejos who complain about the lack of f/f fics seriously unless they actually write or draw for them. A lot of the time these "himejos" are actually hetfags who hate that an m/m ship or the "wrong" het ship became popular and so they'll pretend to be himejos and "female centered" but you look through their retweets and they'll ship shit like a canon lesbian x a male (and hey that's their prerogative! Ship and let ship) all while pretending to care about female characters "for the right reasons"
No.10426
>>10403okay I understand Jax/reader but Caine/kinger being the most written for ship is kinda crazy, yurifags gushing over Pomni/Ragatha when there's this little fic content for it is kinda depressing and says alot about yurifags not cooking what they eat
also off topic but you could make a decent theory about Jax being a gay boy based on certain comments he makes about that non binary character turning straight as well as how butthurt he gets when made to crossdress, the fact he only really picks on the girls makes him come across as rather bitchy too, shame theres no one to ship him with other than the dead clown/frog or caine if you're desperate
No.10443
>>10441>porn addiction in female spaces is fujosReally??? I could have sworn a recent best selling book was a self insert porn fantasy about a monster cow.
But no no it's fujos who are the coomers, we are basically the scapegoat in spite of huge amounts of proof online of fangirls of other subcategories doing the same or more extreme things.
I think at this point these women are just projecting or they don't know jak what they are talking about.
No.10444
>>10441Every time I read a post like this I swear it's probably some butthurt yume that can't find other "tall daddy dom male rapes you in a dungeon/reader" enjoyer and see fujos everywhere
No.10445
>>10441Do these women have hobbies? Maybe if they touched grass and talked to normal people they'd realize not everyone's a so-called "porn-addicted fujo". It's like the moment they lose their guard, some rouge fujoshi will yaoi up their bumholes.
No.10446
>>10441Honestly, I think those type of posters are way worse for mental health than being a fujo. Its all a fester in paranoid seething and projection by emotional vampires.
No.10447
>>10446Some of it gives me paranoia or moral OCD vibes especially after reading posts in the confessions thread or the /g/ fetishes thread.
No.10448
>>10447A lot of nonnas have issues with their own sexuality because they had a shitty childhood and then then internalize it as a good thing actually. But idk, I can't read minds nor could I understand why some nonnas feel ashamed of something normal as being horny.
No.10484
>>10423Fujos are even worse treated by everyone than himejos. Yuri gets a lot in mainstream anime now, they get shows with a nice budget, they get several yuri shows a season. They can even delude themselves that all the gachaslop that panders to incels is also for lesbians because the companies yuribait. Meanwhile fujos get less and less with anime, and less and less with gacha games, and worse, we get shit from both homophobic incels and the people who think that more female characters in a gacha game for straight men is feminism, and fujos still don't even complain about being oppressed nearly as much as himejos do. Why? Because everyone defend anti fujos more.
No.10487
>>10484>Yuri gets a lot in mainstream anime now, they get shows with a nice budget, they get several yuri shows a season.There's been a relatively high amount of explicit GL anime that has come out this year and last year. I haven't seen any woman in fandom give a shit about them or watch them at all. Not even counting yuribait either. Compare to the popularity of The Summer Hikaru Died or Karoke Iko (both not explicit BL) or even the angel brothers in Panty and Stocking.
No.10612
It's so funny how one of the main complaints towards fujos from yumes/himes/hetshippers is that our fan content is just better than theirs lol. I saw a yume the other day post yaoi fanart of her husbando and whine about how good it was and why couldn't the artist just draw him with a woman who she could self insert into kek. She was also complaining about how she kept seeing bl art but no yume art and somehow twisted it as 'these evil fujos make too much content and flood the character tag'. Do these people not realise how much of a self-own this is? You're literally admitting that you can't make content at the same level as fujos because of your lack of skill/effort lol.
It's even more retarded when himes do it because fujo art doesn't infringe on their ships/favs at all. They should just go after hetshippers if they care so much, it atleast makes sense…
No.10620
>>10612>It's even more retarded when himes do it because fujo art doesn't infringe on their ships/favs at all.It's even funnier when they complain about all the fanart being coomshit made by coomer men. It's always such a self report, you mean the two big titty women in skimpy clothes from a game made by men attract a male coomer audience?! Stop the press.
No.10623
>>10620>fanart being coomshit made by coomer menThis is always funny to me because during yaoi vs. yuri slapfights, they always say stuff like "we don't want fujos to make art/fic for us we just want them to evaluate their preferences", "who would want shitty stuff made by fujos anyway", "fujos only create slop", etc. but they obviously do lol. In fandom, the worst art/fic penned by a woman is going to be better than some moid's and they know that.
No.10649
>>10623Okay so what do they mean by evaluating our preferences? To be critical of yaoi to the point of never consuming it again? I don't get it. If someone wants to see more of something, they should make it themselves or just don't bother. I'm an artist and writer because I don't see a lot of what I like in media so I do it myself instead of whining on twitter about fujos having all the good fan content when mainstream media panders to straights for years.
No.10652
I don't know if this is the correct place to post this but I've been seeing a lot of fearmongering from JP fujo's. Apparently, Japan is getting its first female prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. She's mega conservative and a fascist. I've seen some English speakers who live in or are well-versed in jp politics compare her to Trump. I woke up today seeing a lot of jp tweets worried that bl on pixiv is going to be regulated.
When doing a light search, I found this article from j-list blog talking about it.
https://blog.jlist.com/your-friend-in-japan/japanese-fans-worry-about-sanae-takaichi-censorship-after-prime-minister-win/I took half of the article with a grain of salt because if you look at the top portion of the story, you can obviously tell it's written by a porn obsessed moid who thinks Japan is actually completely safe and equal for women and keeps downplaying the discrimination they might face.
The TDLR for the article is that she has made no comments on the censorship of 18+ works and that it's most likely fearmongering.
However, seeing the influx of tweets from jp users is worth worrying about because they know more about their own political sphere than most of us. And with a few tweets I translated, I have seen some jp moids mocking jp fujo.
No.10653
>>10649By evaluating preferences, they mainly mean (some) fujos lack of interest in yuri/female characters. I think these people just genuinely believe that if you're a women, you should inherently be interested in fiction with women in it, and if you aren't then there's some secondary force at hand (misogyny/lesbophobia) preventing you from that. Introspecting or some shit can solve this, they basically expect everyone to come to some revelation and suddenly like yuri as much as yaoi.
A lot of people downplay this aspect but the majority of people's interest in yaoi/yuri/het/whatever just has to do with their sexuality. It shouldn't be at all surprising that many women in fandom aren't interested in yuri because most are straight. But since it's fandomshit where everyone LARPs as queer/bi/asexual and whatnot you can't bring that up.
No.10655
>>10652>I woke up today seeing a lot of jp tweets worried that bl on pixiv is going to be regulated. That explains the current state of my tl on twitter. I saw a viral tweet about how if BL gets banned in Japan the OP will draw or write BL on paper, put the pages in a bottle and throw the bottle in the sea and current should take the bottle to a very specific city from her own city. It was very weird out of context.
No.10656
>>10653> if you're a women, you should inherently be interested in fiction with women in itNTA but what bothers me so much is that I AM interested in fiction about women. Just not romance fiction. It's like they don't understand that there are genres outside of romance and erotica.
No.10657
>>10652What the hell is going on with the world? What is it with this rise of puritanism everywhere? Motherfucker I just wanna read and create my toxic incest age gap yaoi in peace
No.10658
>>10656Same. I wish more people understood that as a girl I want more main girls that are romantically UNINVOLVED for the entirety of what I am reading/watching. It's not about "bwaaaahh Sakura cucked Sasuke/Naruto" or "needs more WLW rep" it's about "I think it's cool when a girl can exist in a story without a romantic interest in anybody on stage with her." Shoutouts to Maka Soul Eater.
No.10659
>>10653What really pisses me off about this belief is that they are NEVER willing to discuss how badly women are written in most media because the actually interesting female characters don't pass the publishers. They just keep blaming the consumer instead of pointing their finger at the industry that actively defangs female characters refusing to give them interesting stories or agency. The only story female characters are allowed has to either be related to a male character or it has to be some kind of a tortured young woman scheme where men can get off to seeing a maiden suffer. And they ALWAYS have to be conventionally attractive because even in the works aimed at female audiences the booktok slop slurpers will blow their lid off if they can't self insert into their bombshell fantasy self. Ironically enough a lot of BL artists write really good female characters because they're not preoccupied with making them fail the Bechdel test.
No.10661
>>10652The reason why people are fearmongering about BL specifically is because Sanae is actually genuinely against gay marriage. And being against gay things = everything else that is gay must go
No.10663
>>10662
politcsperg is just pretending there isn't and there has never been a problem with mass immigration? Japan is getting a lot of indians for no other reason than paying them less than locals. I don't think calling every right leaning politician fascist is the way to go.
No.10664
>>10661From Wikipedia:
>She is opposed to same-sex marriage, but has also said that "there should be no prejudice against sexual orientation or gender identity. I am in favor of promoting understanding itself."Based on this, I don't think BL is in danger, but as you've said, JP fujos might have more context.
No.10669
>>10668Politicians being antifujos can count as being on topic? I guess it's too easy to derail a thread when talking about it though.
No.10670
>>10669I think it’s moreso this being the antifujo thread. The china thread is a little political, but it doesn’t discuss politicians directly and just focuses on policies and news about the censorship in China.
No.10671
>>10653As someone who weaned off female centric media due to my personal accounts of guys being weird with cute 2d women, I just have this instinct where any female character who's attractive or traditionally femmine is not worth my time anymore. Even if I could like Yuri to be a good feminist ally, what am I to read? Moe school girl slop where neither side wants to admit their feelings or straight up hentai porn? It's not that some women can't get into female centric media because they're male centric, they can't because a lot of supposed "female led" stuff either assumes women are stupid or slightly panders to men to get more money. A lot of media with men in the center usually don't have this problem which leads to more m/m being prioritized over other pairings. Don't believe me? Compare kpop demon hunters to supernatural. It's like night and day with those two.
No.10673
>>10669if you are going to bring up right wing vs left wing policies then yeah, it is a little political i think kek
No.10675
>>10674The more viziepop gets this nonsensical hate the more I try to support her, and I wasn't even into Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss.
Btw Hazbin Hotel was one of the most watched shows on amazon prime video Japan, they even had a cafe for it.
No.10676
>>10675I don't really care about Vivzie much (I like a lot of Hazbin's songs and think it's alright while I think helluva is pretty god awful all around) but I find this merch set so cute, my girl Carmilla in particular looks really really cute.
No.10678
>>10675NGL I am jeaous that she's made it big in Japan with her sparklefurry deviantart OCs. Whoever localized it must have done a really good job.
No.10679
>>10674>>10675I absolutely hate her aesthetics and style and the entire 2007 emo kid on deviantart vibe that she has but by god if I don't respect Vivziepop for working herself to the bone to make her OCs into an established show with a massive fanbase and I also respect her even more for not bending to all these schizos constantly screaming at her over literally nothing. People are fucking obsessed with canceling her, they've tried proship discourse, misogyny discourse (because her being a fujoshi means she hates women of course), accusing her of fetishizing sexual abuse, even that nothingburger of a "working at vivzie's animation studio was abusive" video that was just bitching about petty grievances such as the amateur voice actors from the pilot being recast with professionals due to the demands from Amazon. Yet she still keeps going and that's so inspirational to every fujo creator out there.
No.10680
>>10674I didn't actually know she was a fujo. Of course I'm aware of Stolitz but in Hazbin the main relationship is F/F so I didn't really consider Stolitz as anything special but moreso her wanting to include same sex couples. Unless this person is just calling her a proshipper and fujos are catching a stray just cause.
No.10681
>>10675The fandom in Japan is big enough that several artists successfully voted for it to be represented during cons like Comic City. I'm not surprised there's a collab cafe.
No.10682
>>10680She constantly gets chastised for just the most random shit ever, people constantly act as if the main couple in HBH isn't F/F featuring the MAIN CHARACTER and instead choose to bitch about how big of a role the male gay spider prostitute gets in the series. It's just further proof that these people don't really want more F/F, they just want fujopandering gone altogether.
No.10683
>>10680She does count as a "proshipper" technically since she defended the animator that liked Val/Angel and the ship is pretty non-con. The animator had to get fired iirc due to peer pressure but I'm sure she doesn't care about whether people ship abuser/abused.
I acknowledge that Hazbin is mid as hell and the butt of all jokes and hate but honestly sometimes you really do need that cringey 2007 invader zim+south park tier brainrot with sparkledog character designs to be reminded that maybe sometimes you don't have to constantly punish yourself for being cringe.
No.10684
>>10681>collab cafeNot super on topic but I'm always very impressed by how these cafes do their best to translate characters into dishes and I can only imagine the hell of a time they would have with Hazbin characters of all things. Sometimes I wonder who the chefs are and if they like their job or find it frustrating designing the menu/trying to translate whoever designed the menu's ideas into reality.
No.10686
>>10683The discourse with that artist really annoyed me cuz it was like "omg the animator likes noncon! And she drew a rape scene omg!!!!". Like I understand being kinda weirded out cuz in the series it's seen as a big deal and Angel Dust's trauma is a core element of his character, but I also don't really care cuz it's not real. Shame she was fired tho, she did a good job animating.
No.10687
>>10671>Don't believe me? Compare kpop demon hunters to supernatural. It's like night and day with those two.Could you elaborate on this? I've seen both but I don't really get what you mean.
>>10684What I want to know is how people order. The Hazbin collab dishes are all named with character quotes, so do they say the quote or describe the dish? On a side note, I sent it to a friend who likes the series and she said the omurice with a big tomato sauce puddle was named after a character killing another guy. It just looks like an omurice to me, but she was yelling that the "pool of blood" was pure bullying, so I guess it works.
No.10688
>>10687Kpop has more f/f fics than supernatural kek.
No.10689
>>10688Ooooohh. God, how did I not think of that. I thought it was something about the female characters acting dumb comment and was thinking but
Dean. But yeah, Supernatural had a canon lesbian couple and all, but people only ever really use them in passing, same as the show did.
No.10692
>>10690I never understood the amount of vitriol she got. I get that the comic was cringe, but that’s literally all it was, cringe. I also don’t get how shipping bts is considered proshipper. Did rps become proshipping when I wasn’t looking? All those “one direction bought me in an auction” girlies are now proshippers? I’ve never considered it “proshipping,” especially when it comes to band member rps.
No.10694
>>10690>>10692I hate the word proshipping with a passion. That's not how it's used first of all and you make it sound as if it's on the same line as shoplifting or murder.
Anyway, I think it's because they once liked an RPS fic that had the underage tag in it? I don't know. People are actually a lot more biased against fujo RPS than yume RPs for some reason these days. I personally don't like RPS but I wouldn't chastize someone over it, even if they made a 'john kennedy bdsm lactation fic' type of thing.
No.10695
>>10690>>10692I suspect that all the stuff about the ~underaged RPS~ was just because they couldn't call her cringe for self inserting into her yaoi comic as a goth tif that all the gay boys liked, so they had to find something else to go after her about. Like Al Capone and his taxes but with more kpop stans.
No.10698
>>10623You know it's funny they never go after moids who only spam tags of female characters with ugly ai generated hentai art. They know if they asked moids to actually engage with female characters outside of jerkoff material they'd be laughed at, but guilting other women always works.
>>10659It's always from a Hoyoshitter too now. The biggest anti fujo himejoshi whiners come from that fandom. They don't want to admit the female characters are coombait and can't even wear pants or even be mean or evil in those games because of incel moids, so they get angry at fujos for not being into their flavorless yuri ships that just hold hands and giggle and be cute since none of the women in Hoyo games are allowed to have a personality.
No.10708
>>10698>since none of the women in Hoyo games are allowed to have a personalityTo be fair the men aren't either.
No.10717
>>10716>authors saying there’s no way the men in these ships could ever be attracted to women.how is this even offensive
>past nlog phaseevery time. every single time. lol these types are always trying to overcompensate for their past nlogism by whiteknighting fictional characters (even at the detriment of actual women)
No.10718
>>10717>how is this even offensiveIt is when you have the incel mindset that respect=attraction. I never understand why women (all people but in this case it's women), get so heated when someone ships their husbando with another man. Simply close the tab?
Joking about a man not liking pussy or thinking it's gross is just as inoffensive as joking about a woman not liking dick and thinking it's gross, it's just that these women are usually yumeing to some degree and are trying to not be obvious about it.
No.10721
>>10716It really shows how none of these people have ever been in a fandom outside of BL conquered ones, which are what, like 4 or 5 now?
I’m in the Ranma fandom, and whenever I try to look up Shampoo, even on instagram official pages, the comments on her merch or edits are “I hate her, I always hated her, she’s so annoying.” I am not joking, even on tiktok is like this. And these comments get liked by other women, but no one even tries to tell them that shitting on a female character just because she goes against their self insert is wrong.
I guess they think it’s more acceptable to hate a girl who gets in the way of a straight ship, even though it’s more misogynistic to attack female characters just because they’re shipped with a guy you want.
>>10718>get so heated when someone ships their husbando with another man. Simply close the tab?They do this with female characters too, but it often goes unnoticed because most straight ships are basically just Main Character A × Main Character B. So if you ship any other girl but the main girl, either your fandom is microscopic, or it just gets completely overridden by the larger one. I remember Eren x Historia got a ton of hate too for simply existing besides Eremika.
No.10722
>>10714>>10716The irony is that the fandom where I’ve seen the most hate towards female characters in my life is Oshi no Ko lmao
No.10723
>>10716I think the only character bashing tags
I've ever seen are Dumbledore bashing and Ron bashing.
Female characters are given less lenience than male characters, don't get me wrong, but to pretend that only female characters get misinterpreted and hated is intentionally ignorant.
No.10724
>>10714>When will they come up with new talking points?Never ever. And seeing that MHA girl instead of Sakura is seriously making me wonder if Naruto is less relevant nowadays
I hope so or if I'm just getting old.
>>10718>Joking about a man not liking pussy or thinking it's gross is just as inoffensive as joking about a woman not liking dick and thinking it's grossI wish some of these women knew how actual gay men talk about how much they hate vaginas in way worse terms, just to see their reactions. I bet they would have a mental breakdown. If anything fujoshi writing about how a potentially gay fiction guy dislikes pussies would be writing in a realistic way.
No.10727
>>10717>how is this even offensive>>10724>I wish some of these women knew how actual gay men talk about how much they hate vaginas in way worse terms, just to see their reactions. I bet they would have a mental breakdown.I think these women are so online that they forget that most people aren't bisexual. Like most men irl aren't gay and find dick disgusting, vice versa for gay men. I'm sure that most of them are straight and wouldn't interact with a pussy themselves.
No.10731
>>10690The hate train for this person proves how illogical anti fujoshi discourse is. They hate it for "cringe" but they know that's not a good enough reason to justify stalking and harassing someone, so they say they're a pedo for drawing a BTS guy while she was also underage. They can't just ignore a webtoon they don't like. They'll post fujoshi hate over webtoons with abusive semes and for having noncon, but then a fluffy slice of life webtoon also gets the same hate parade. You can't fucking win with these people.
No.10748
>>10721>no one even tries to tell them that shitting on a female character just because she goes against their self insert is wrongI remember when I first noticed a female character that got bashed on constantly and it was Lila Rossi from Miraculous Ladybug. I had never experienced such disdain from a fandom for a girl character before. I struggled to find positive fanfics about her and MLB is a pretty large fandom. I’ve actually never witnessed Uraraka hate and am always confused when she’s brought up because I frequent the bkdk tag on ao3 and haven’t seen a fanfic with even a little bit of the amount of hatred those girls writing MLB fanfic had for Lila Rossi.
>>10723Harry Potter is literally the biggest fandom ever and I hope someone in the reddit comments pointed out the selection bias.
No.10752
>>10748>Uraraka hateI vaguely remember her being the villain in some fics early on before Horikoshi retconned her reason for being a hero (she was from a poor family and wanted a paycheck, which was actually the most interesting thing about her RIP).
>>10723I think Ron bashing was so prevalent because it was a very rare instance of the the self-insert girl (Hermione) getting cockblocked by her own canon love interest when people were overwhelmingly shipping her with Harry or Draco.
No.10756
>>10721Yeah people thinking hating female characters is some fujo-specific trait are willingly obtuse about this, the people I've most seen spewing vitriol against female characters have always been those who ship the main straight couple and hate the vamp driving a wedge between them. Shampoo is a good example, I actually think she's the most interesting female character in Ranma but Akanetards hate her because she's direct competition to their best girl.
>>10716Someone explain to me how headcanoning a male character as gay is "misogynistic". Is headcanoning a female character as a lesbian misandrist too? You just know these people only participate in shounenshit fandoms where the female characters are either scantily clad sexy babes written for horny 14-year old boys or the girl next door with the personality of a wet rag both created by the male author and then whine about them not being appreciated enough.
No.10761
>>10723They're also ignoring that there's plenty of male characters who do get hate, especially from actual men in fandom. Men hate "emo" rival characters that women like, bonus if the guy is popular to ship with the male mc. Men are still raging about Sasuke and Goro Akechi to this day. Not to mention incels raging about Scaramouche from Genshin Impact so much because they hate that girls like him.
No.10764
>>10756>hate the vamp driving a wedge between them. Exactly this.It’s never about female characters, It’s about protecting the character they’ve built an identity around. They see any woman or man who outshines their fav or simply gets more screentime as a threat.
It also doesn't help that the only female characters that they bother defending are the most hyper bland, “good girls” with a token quirk or temper issue they project onto (“omg she’s totally me”), while every other girl is allowed to be actually messy, or morally gray.
No.10765
>>10756Most of Takahashi's manga make a good example of it. Look at the (non-fujo) hatred in the Kagome/Kikyo triangle. The biggest haters of any character are people who want to self-insert into their opposition.
No.10771
>>10765True, but there’s a difference between a character meant to be relatable to an ordinary girl and a villainous girl who doesn’t care about anyone.
It’s like the harem anime MC’s starting narration, “I’m just an ordinary high schooler.”
versus an actually interesting male character.
This is even more obvious when you realize those kinds of “ordinary” characters are always the main characters or very close to mc, never side characters because the author knows a character like that would be forgotten in the sidelines
No.10979
>>10974>boy that's actually a stand in for a girlThey are so narcissistic they will never understand not all women need to self insert to enjoy romance.
It's insane for them to not imagine themselves as the main character of some romantic pairing.
They only enjoy a couple if they can live throu one of the characters, it's why so many fujo tifs are basically yumes.
>obsession with K-pop and their lesbianity is more about hating men than loving women.Because it's cool to hate men and pretending they are lesbians until other girls like the husbandos they like, or god forbid try to make them gay, then it's war on women kek
It's just endless cope from insecure zoomer girls with low self esteem.
I honestly feel bad for them, their future is bleak and they are just using escapism to cope with it.
No.10982
>>10979This makes me feel bad for real decent lesbians who ended up being scapegoats for manhaters and misogynistic fujophobics.
No.10983
>>10974>And they always have the same background - a young ESL woman (often from MENA or Latin American background)For whatever reason (historic precedence?) in EN spaces fujos are thought of as white women by default so a lot of the vitriol is exacerbated by the idea that they are "punching up". It's honestly in the same vein as performatively hating pumpkin spice lattes and yoga.
No.10984
>>10974The girl in picrel is a fujo, this has always emanated from self-hating fujos. A lesbian yurifag might poke fun at yaoi but whining about heteronormativity is a big tell that this is a fujo with low self-esteem. They will grow out of it kek
No.10985
>>10983And then they always attack Asian, brown and black fujos thinking they're white just because they can speak English. Someone really sold them this idea of fujoism being a "white girl boogeyman" when most fujo authors are from Asia.
No.10988
>>10985>Someone really sold them this idea of fujoism being a "white girl boogeyman"The causes of this are so far upstream it's hard to point a single finger. It feels like radiation from when tumblr broke containment after the porn ban. I think it's funny peoples' idea of the EN fujoshi phenotype is still rooted in the days of the yaoi paddle when a quick scroll through Twitter will show you all kinds of fujoshi, to the point where the classic pasty landwhale might as well be a protected species.
It's also just really easy to say mean shit when you say "white women" instead of just "women".
No.10990
>>10982As someone that enjoys both yuri and BL, I'd never label myself as a himejoshi online, because I really don't want to associate with neither the trannies nor the pixel feminists with their hoyoslop ships.
The fujo communities may have their issues, but with yuri it's somehow even worse because half of these
himes have read maybe 1 SoL yuri or watched Madoka, and they just pretend to like yuri for the sake of being performative and superior to yucky fujos. Not to mention the ones with the giga retarded take of 'Actually het ships are better and more ~progressive~ than yaoi because at least there's a woman!' that only ever post about het and probably can't name more than 3 yuri series (if even that). I guess that there is some truth in them only caring when a ship has a woman though, and it's not for any feminist reasons, but because they need a self insert to enjoy any romance (and they think fujos are the same, which is why accusations like 'You're self inserting as the uke!' happen).
No.10992
>>10990Also they're the ones who always need to have a dick in yuri, literally every time one of them has to have a penis. They basically admit that they hate fujos because BL doesn't have a girl they can self insert to. Scratch a schizo hime and a hetfag will bleed.
No.10993
>>10992That's something I forgot to mention, but you're 100% right. Certain fujo fandoms definitely have it bad with the cuntboy/tif obsession, but it's basically the default with yuri fandoms that one of the girls will be given a dick. Not to mention the obsession with their 'breeding kinks' and how they manage to post about cocks just as much, if not more, than fandoms of series that have actual male characters. Oh and they never actually give *both* girl dicks, it has to be pseudo het every time.
No.11005
>>11002roblox. not even once.
No.11012
Will i get banned for bringing up lolcow in here? I don't know if the old rule still applies, but did anyone also see the big fight that lasted days, people who are pro shota and against it screaming at each other, and fujochan kept being mentioned and blamed for everything for some reason
Even the farmhands had to step in and do something because they wouldn't stop sperging about it
Why do lolcow even hate shotafags so much anyways, wasn't the board made by weebs from /cgl/? I expected them to be indifferent to it more than anything
No.11014
>>11012>weebs from /cgl/?Most /cgl/fags were very normalfag women from what I remember, some barely even otaku. And lolcow over the years became just twitter-lite in terms of arguments where bitches can call each other trannies/aidens without upsetting some twitter mob
No.11059
>>11002>>11005I don't get it, sorry. What does a Roblox lolicon have to do with fujobashing?
No.11072
>>11070Panel 1 is a sandbox for the fan to explore, Panel 2 sounds like a boring childhood friends ship. I'm having a hard time thinking of het which 100% fits the example because you get it on paper often but in practice, the heroine is usually sidelined and doesn't fight alongside the man nearly as much as his male companions.
As F/F, not sure if I would ship that hard. Sounds cute, but I'm more likely to ship Heroine 1 with the sexy evil woman who tries to stop her from her goal of protecting Heroine 2, or the begrudging rival who joins the party.
And I wish people would stop pretending never-met or low interaction ships only happen in BL. They just get more popular because there's more BL fans putting the work in.
No.11085
>>11014The funniest type of anti-fujo lolcow chimpouts is the ones where they write paragraphs about how reading yaoi is bad and ruining the world and reading yuri is freeing us from the shackles of the patriarchy lol, completely disconnect from reality, it's hard to think it's bait when truly it's just performative feminism central in there nowadays for twitter rejects, they are being genuine
No.11086
>>11072>I'm having a hard time thinking of het which 100% fits the exampleI can think of Shulk/Fiora Xenoblade which ironically has no significant fandom alternative, yaoi or otherwise (Meliafags do NOT count, they don't even make fanart/fic).
No.11087
>>11070>>11072>Panel 1 is a sandbox for the fan to exploreA ton of my rarepair otps are like this. Characters that never met might have great meshing personalities, backstories, etc. Its shipping and fanfiction; who cares about lore.
Whereas bad canon is actually bad canon, and I'm forced to care about it because it has consequences on the story now. The op is such a reach because very very rarely, esp in manga/anime, do the female romantic interests actually have depth and participate in the story, beyond being set dressing.
You speak nothing but truth, nonna.
No.11088
>>11087It's also the fact that just being told how much two characters mean to eachother doesn't mean people will care about the ship or that they automatically have chemistry. This can happen in BL too. I was fine with Wangxian but I still shipped WWX/Wen Ning harder. Then there's all the people who liked Shen Qingqui/Liu Qingge more (I'm not one of them, but they're a big part of the fandom)
Same in yuri. Homura's entire obsession is about Madoka, but I'm more interested in other Homura ships. That doesn't mean I don't understand/care about the canon significance of Madoka to Homura. It just means that the kind of dynamic that activates the creative neuron in my shipper brain is different.
And you only have to look at the fact that get-together fic usually performs better than established relationship to understand that fans really like to see the romantic development happen rather than for it to already be there.
But I'll admit my hypocrisy for a second: I 100% believe that the shippers of my my never-met het rarepair NOTP have a garbage understanding of my male fave's personality and it would never happen (and I judge their shit taste). The fact that I prefer him to see him fucking Guy B is coincidental, if Guy B didn't exist I'd prefer him with no one if he wasn't an option.
No.11094
>>11072>sandboxExactly, even in terms of videogames the first panel would be something like minecraft where people feel like they can be creative while panel 2 is a soulslike game which is derivative and can never be as good as the og.
There are exceptions to this obviously, but most of the time romance plots are set up either as wish fulfillment or copied from other more successful stories.
No.11096
>>11012Isn't lolcow super anti fujo? Even the boards for anime tend to hate fujos because it's yumes dominating the conversation and saying the same old bullshit about fujos being misogynists because they can't self insert onto a female character. Just proves how yumes are always the biggest proponents of anti fujo talking points just like everyone else online.
No.11098
>>11096they've got a yaoi board but they have an antifujo containment board so the arguing doesn't spill over.
They've got a real issue with fujos who turn ftm, which, fair, but they seem to think that all fujos will poon out at some point.
No.11270
>>11269I see a boring canon straight ship with a likely boring female character and a boring dynamic VS. an interesting and hot yaoi ship. Hm, whichever will I choose?
No.11272
>>11269>healthy relationship>green flagsAsk Sakura and Hinata how their marriages are working out for them.
No.11276
>>11270Right? An evil fictional character is evil to other fictional characters, but a boring fictional character is boring to *me*.
No.11286
>>11269>reverse image search takes me to one of the circlejerk subs>generalizes yaoi as "heteronormative" so much it's become noise at this pointAre tifs just… stuck in 2016?
No.11336
>>11335There is a 99.9% chance this is just an FTM. So, y'know, a straight woman kek.
No.11341
>>11336NTA, but that answers my question lol
>>11286