No.6255[Last 50 Posts]
Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.
Old thread
>>4731 No.6258
Who's going to tell them bisexuals exist?
No.6259
>>6255Tbh they got me there. I do not in fact care about 'trans rights'.
No.6260
>>6255Lmao as if they care about women's rights, they'd rather appeal to men than a woman. I used to be very supportive, but then I realized that the majority of the lgbt community doesn't give a fuck for women. I was stupid for doing so.
No.6264
Infinity nikki twt is really shaping up to be a fun group
>>6260They say they do but really they only care if the woman is willing to play along. If they don't? Gets branded a terf and banished from the alphabet club.
No.6265
>>6264This person literally could've written that first fic and made it yuri if he or she actually cared. There was nothing stopping the first yuri Infinity Nikki fic from becoming a reality except this person's unwillingness to write it.
No.6266
>>6264Why do these people never take it up with their own ilk? If anything, the first fic not being yuri should be as indicative of a "problem" with yurifags as it is with some fujo hyperfocusing on the sole male character or whatever.
No.6268
>>6265>>6266They see others as content mills and not people. Why would do their own when the world is their personal media factory? And yea know what's funny about all this? There's plenty of canon yuri but they act like lesbians are oppressed and never catered to.
No.6274
>>6264Fujobait ships were pretty popular in Love Nikki, it shouldn't be a surprise.
No.6275
>>6273i usually like female characters, especially the disliked ones like sakura, because its mostly incels who shit on them. why is it always women being policed in fandom? and especially fujos?
No.6276
>>6273I usually like the canon F in my M/M ships which is why I don't think she should be condemned to a tepid relationship just because that's what you are supposed to do at the end of a story. Like, would YOU want to date a man who gives so much of his time/energy to another person? Hell no. Bangmaid doormat behavior.
No.6277
>>6273>you cannotwhen did it become normal to tell people online what to do over shit like shipping? I hate canon Sakura more and more out of spite from posts like this
No.6278
>>6273>multipshipper>tipSo like when you reuse a seme so his tip touches everyone? Okay. Still going to ship her with her best friend instead though.
No.6279
>>6274To be fair, I remember Nikki x Kimi being the most dominant ship, at least back when I played. This whole discourse is stupid, though, because this person's whole complaint is that fans aren't making enough content. How is that fujos' fault? We didn't kidnap all of the fanfic writers and artists, and force them to write yaoi.
>>6273While reading, I thought to myself, "people who make these posts were in the Naruto fandom in the 2010s, and never healed from that emotionally," and then I saw the tags.
No.6280
>>6273>suggesting multishippingThe biggest COPE of them all. My experience with militant multishippers is that they're arrogant and use that term to manipulate monoshippers into making art/fic of the ship the actually care about. They have a weird need to make sure every character gets a share.
No.6282
>>6281The implication that women can receive anal sex?? Amazing
Also, this is written as is yaoi is only pwp. Even the most porn filled manga still have some type of plot and character, (even if only loosely connecting the sex) that anyone can read, enjoy and empathize with, bruh. They've forgotten we are all human
No.6283
>>6281>fujofecesI have not heard that one before, come on, fujoshits is right there and rolls off the tongue better.
No.6284
>>6281self inserters are the mcdonalds of sexuality, its no wonder these brainlets can only conceive an extremely narrow way of enjoying sex and romance, and even tho they dont understand anything of how human sexuality works they have the audacity to dictate what makes sense or doesnt. they call fujos disgusting and then proceed to be basically scrotes into pov porn lol all i hear is an insecure becky and so everything has to revolve around her her her
No.6285
>>6282*CAN'T
I meant they think women /can't/ have anal sex
No.6286
>>6281>But most sane, nonparaphillic people will want to watch the kind of sex they themselves would be able to partake inThis goes beyond self inserting, they don't understand what porn is or how we use it. Porn allows for indulging in experiences that we would never want to partake in, even in instances where they would be possible. It's not a replacement for sex.
>>6285If they don't want others to enjoy porn they deserve to miss out on the gift that is anal stim and clit play.
No.6287
>>6284>self inserters are the mcdonalds of sexualityIt's more than just sex; these are the people who ruin modern books (and probably anime and stuff, too) because every protagonist has to be someone onto whom they can project. I feel like people are obsessed with the idea that every work of fiction has to be about a "Literally Me" character.
No.6288
>>6287>every protagonist has to be someone onto whom they can projectInterestingly, things shifted a lot after people started caring about "muh representation". People used to make their self-inserts idealized, Mary Sue versions of themselves but now everyone just projects every single mental illness and microlabel they identify with onto not only their OCs but existing characters.
No.6289
>>6264Lol just earlier on twitter I saw aydens(idk if there's a name for transwomen) saying that women's issues aren't real. They keep inflicting the patriarchy on themselves and use it to exploit and victimize themselves also that men have it harder.
As a long time fan of the nikki series (since I was in high school) I'm really sad to see the fandom spiral downwards into yuritard garbage. They've already ruined the hoyo fandom. Yuri fans always act terrible and get half of the harassment a fujoshi would get for just existing.
I already see them blaming fujos for the people who want a male mc in game. It's never been fujos complaining, we know what's targeted to us. It's the Aydens all the time, who say they want to be able to 'project' and 'relate' to female targeted games. (Funny, you never see them complain about games that automatically default to male mc like arknights). I almost
I'm tired of seeing fujos catching random strays being misinterpreted and blamed all the time for stuff we don't do. (like, tell me why I saw shoujo manga fans blaming fujos for the author writing male characters interacting? Fujoshi are not reading straight romance shoujo manga. And also, do you just want the male characters to have no other traits than existing for the female mc? You're no better than a moid then.)
>>6279Yuri fans are lazy and entitled. They make a post every other month complaining about the lack of yuri in what ever series they're into and get mad saying we're misogynistic for liking bl. Maybe get off your ass and create something. Yuritards will never have the passion and creativity of a fujo.
Also, I swear these people have never played shining nikki because in that game I'm 95% sure that the devs were trying to ship Nikki with a male named Loen. The game events usually feature straight couples in the story, but the event outfits are made into female clothes because Nikki's a girl they have no male model, there's like no yuri.
No.6292
>>6275incels dislike hinata not sakura, lets all learn to appreciate side female characters more and not the self-insert female characters at the center of the attention everytime.
>>6280>My experience with militant multishippers is that they're arrogant and use that term to manipulate monoshippers into making art/fic of the ship the actually careExactly! I even see people sometimes say "omg this is so policute"
They are so dishonest, it's like they are afraid to come out and say " i only like this ship" because they are gonna be isolated by other fans, usually people who repost art of all the ships are not even shippers anyway, just people who think the art is good looking.
No.6295
>>6273>I want everyone to ship my mid ship but I am such an immature retard that I will guilt trip people to ship it, that’ll definitely work!These people are everything that's wrong with fandoms. Spreading drama,toxicity and taking everything without contributing, and when they do contribute it's just the same dull repetitive content.
They can’t stand fans who enjoy anything outside of muh canon, but the moment canon doesn’t align with their tastes they twist it and make it a personal battle to confirm the canonicity of their ship.
I'm so tired of seeing their rants whenever someone ships characters that are not the main couple or they feel too threatening to their ship.
Btw this happens with straight ships too. I'm in a fandom where people actually said it's "too weird" to ship a onesided straight pairing where the guy canonically said the girl is cute lol
I’m honestly wondering if they have been stuck in a cave for the last 20 years or so since almost every popular ship in fandoms involved guys who were trying to kill each other
No.6298
>>6292>incels dislike hinata not sakurano, incels dislike sakura because she is less conventionally attractive from a physical standpoint, and because she rejected their naruto self-insert lol
sakura has more of challenging personality for a male to like as opposed to hinata who is strong in her own way but more meek and the literal embodiment of a yamato nadeshiko.
i've seen people hating on both characters, but hating sakura is such a standard in the anime community she's a widely used inside joke at this point.
also idk why you're telling me what to like, weird asf
No.6299
>>6298>because she is less conventionally attractiveIt's literally the opposite, hinata only has her body but Sakura was always supposed to be the prettiest girl in naruto, the girl naruto always liked, while hinata was the plain one, and most naruto self inserters at the time all shipped narusaku, infact they were the biggest whiners when hinata got with naruto, and that's where the hinata hate started.
Also, i am not telling you what to like, i was talking in general.
No.6301
>>6295I've seen some of those people get mad at those who ship the canon couple and think they're better because the side ship "has more chemistry~" and dunk on the canon love interest. I've seen it go both ways. All annoying, and they multiship to hide their agenda
No.6302
>>6299i've personally never seen men complaining about naruhina, but i don't doubt it has happened since the naruto fandom is huge and there is bound to be people who get emotionally attached to all sorts of ships.
however, leaving aside the fact i dont remember if sakura was even dubbed to be the prettiest girl in-canon, i'm talking about the fandom's reaction to the two girls, so how they're perceived irl by people, and not their canon status in universe.
was hinata overlooked? sure, that was a big part of her character arc, but she later bloomed to become a beautiful woman, who is now widely considered prettier and better than sakura personality-wise by naruto male fans in particular.
personally, i disagree with both statements but i'm not surprised in the slightest that scrotes pick a wallflower with unrealistic measurements who fangirls over their self-insert over a girl that is way more "difficult" and never reciprocated. you just have to look up the most disliked characters on any naruto reddit (lmao) and you'll see most men mention sakura without fail, and almost no one brings up hinata
No.6303
>>6289>never played shining nikkiAYRT and I'll admit I've never played Shining Nikki either. The Love Nikki community got really weird and infested with TIMs, so I sort of lost interest in the games after playing the first one for a few years. There was a strange attitude they often had where they would say Nikki x Kimi was 100% canon. Not in a joking way, but in the way that they legitimately thought it had been confirmed and suggesting otherwise was factually inaccurate. The subreddit was especially bad; I distinctly remember two users getting into an argument about if it was homophobic to deny they're in love or something like that (I don't remember- this was like 5 years ago, but I could probably find it again). I didn't mind the ship and even understood the appeal, but the attitude kind of confused me because fujos are constantly told we're being delusional for looking at similar hints for our preferred pairings.
>>6296Sorry nona, wasn't trying to imply it was the only ship or anything like that. I was just trying to say that I remembered how militant and vocal some shippers were, and that it felt very ubiquitous in the fanbase when I played.
>>6300>even if you're a hardcore nikkimi shipper you have to be retarded to pretend like Nikki games are Yuri games when they have canon het shipsThe subreddit was especially insistent that they were THE canon pairing. And, like, I get it. I have ships where I feel it's very obvious two characters are meant to be together despite what canon says, but there was a certain attitude that developed that was really… strange. Like they'd never had to ship something that had bait and no canonical confirmation, so they didn't know how to react to it not being explicitly confirmed. I even included a screenshot of the Wiki because it perfectly encapsulates what I'm describing kek.
No.6304
>>6303Yuritroons are going to be a scourge in this fandom. I can't wait for the meltdowns when people very obviously start shipping Nikki with
Giovanni. All in all, thank god papergames is Chinese and will never give in to these tards.
No.6309
>>6281Again, interesting how they never have an issue with lesbians liking moidwritten straight romances or even porn but fictional men drawn and written by real life women is off the table for them. Weird indeed.
>>6286>Porn allows for indulging in experiences that we would never want to partake in, even in instances where they would be possible. It's not a replacement for sex.This. It's frustrating how hard this idea got lost in the process, people emulating the dangerous shit they see in porn in real life because they can't make a difference between sex and consuming erotica and vice versa doing all the moral grandstanding over fan fiction because they don't comprehend how people are able to compartmentalize.
No.6362
>>6301>some of those people get mad at those who ship the canon coupleIn what fandom if I can ask? because usually that never happens.
People nowdays are obsessed with canon, minors or women who are in the same spaces as minors treat the generic canon het ship like it’s some groundbreaking concept they’ve never seen before and get overly defensive when someone suggests shipping other two characters.
Btw the same people usually have "pro shipper dni" in their bios while shipping school teens together lmao
No.6363
>>6362It me, I will look down on your for shipping the boring established pairing instead of my OTP for the series who are objectively the better choice! Joking of course, but I do think canonicity is a trap people fall into and it defeats the entire point of fandom.
No.6376
>>6375I've seen people not into yaoi/yuri rec mainstream het with background characters in good faith, they just don't realize it's a specific subgenre someone is looking for and not just series with gay characters. I don't buy that someone who is specifically asking for "yuri" from someone who knows what that is would be given a yaoi rec.
No.6377
>>6375How I imagine this exchange actually having gone:
>Whine and cry about there not being enough lesbian characters because you're here just to coom instead of being genuinely invested in the genre>Someone who equally has no idea what to recommend but wants you to shut up says "Um there's this one series with a lesbian coded character I guess">"IS IT REALLY??????? SHE BETTER HAVE 3453534 FICS ON AO3!!!!!!!!">"um sure">It's a series with two men that people ship in the fandom i.e. "yaoi" No.6378
>>6375>Looks at who retweeted thatMan, I wonder if people still believe that cancel culture exist because that person is still around and pay people to be her friend.
No.6379
>>6273I don't read actual BL so my ships are always half-canon but I am not into guys that get together with girls either so good riddance. This only happens if you are into teenagers.
No.6386
>>6381>>6383A 40 year old women typed all this. I can't fucking believe this.
No.6387
>>6378>pay people to be her friendCan anybody really be this pathetic?
>cancel cultureShe uses the 'race' card to protect herself from cancellation. And she panders to trannies non-stop, because it's the only audience that still supports her.
No.6388
>>6381>>6383There is plenty of shit to look at since people started to post her shit on lolcow.
>https://lolcow.farm/m/res/434062.htmlShe align with people who hates fujos (and ftm), there are way too many lesbians (and not) who hate women for liking men or anything related to it, like they are gender traditors.
No.6389
>>6388I doubt Benjanun is a lesbian, isn't she dating a troon?
No.6393
>>6389never heard anyone, even herself, mentioning a date. i remember her with the old name, winterfox and i found she was still alive when she was obsessing over the last dyke gundam
No.6395
>>6381>>6383Should I know this person? Is she a creator or something? Why does everybody know her?
No.6397
>>6395https://fanlore.org/wiki/Winterfoxthe tl;dr is that she was a prolific troll who could not shed her skin. Because she has money (and I mean Real Motherfuckin' Money, iirc she is a hotel business heiress) she is essentially immune to being cancelled in a way that matters.
No.6413
>>6389>>6393I don't think shilling yourself to online trannies by flirting with them counts as 'dating'. E-girls are not 'dating' their customers either.
No.6468
why do people hate more on fujos than on men who watch lesbian porn?
No.6469
>>6468They don't admit it, but most people are taught to hate women the moment they're born. The way women are often villainized, objectified, and infantilized teaches them that women aren't people. They're things. So when that thing has motivations, aspirations, hobbies, and other qualities not centered on men, suddenly they're a threat to society. This is why yumes gang up on fujos. Because to them, they're living a life free from expectations while yumes are playing out fantasies society expects them to act out.
As someone who likes both het and bl content, it all sounds so fucking retarded. No.6471
>>6468Homophobia mixed with misogyny.
No.6477
>>6468Most men who hate on yaoi just outright call it disgusting and degenerate for being gay.
However the people going on moral crusades against yaoi are woke fandom women… going after other women. Wokies can't go after men into lesbian porn because men will hold their ground, laugh, and tell antis to fuck off. Also woke fandom retards aren't hanging out in male social circles. However they CAN guilt trip and dogpile fujoshis. Policing other people online is a power trip and fujos are acceptable targets for fetishizing uwu mlm.
Lesbian obsessed troons are disgusted by BL, so they will pretend that their hatred is because fujoshis are misogynistic for not making yuri schoolgirl content for them. Also a lot of yuri fans just want to shit on yaoi and act morally superior for liking yuri… instead of just liking yuri.
No.6480
>>6477I am still convinced that the reason for why I never got any hate in woke-dominated fandoms in all those years, despite drawing enemy ships punching each other sexually and single characters the majority considers politically offensive, is because the fandom assumes I am male. I will certainly not go out of my way to tell them I am not. Instead, I posted photos of my spiked mace, gun and katana (because I recently got the latter and wanted to show it to those interested), probably further convincing them of their belief.
I know for certain that a bunch of them assume an artist friend to be male too based on the types of men she (and I) are into and drawing and the lack of text-posts we make. I am sure that none of these people ever attack men.
The biggest shitstorms I see happening in my own fandoms are tranny A with cutesy art style and pastel colors fighting tranny B with cutesy art style and pastel colors. The drama can stay there.
No.6481
>>6457Happy that yaoi gets so much more but these posts are always so damn stupid. The majority will always prefer liking over retweeting. Likes are private, retweets get you the politics onto your timeline, probably causing drama or simply not belonging to the kind of account you want to have. So whenever someone makes one of those dumb like=x, RT=y it's fucking obvious that y will have ten times the numbers.
It makes me wonder if the person that posted this is stupid. I thought it was a yaoi fan for obvious reasons, but seems like that's not the case. Then they are just stupid for thinking that anything will ever get more RTs than likes.
>>6479The lack of fanart is the biggest proof I need to know that the majority of "lesbian" yuri fans are actually men pretending to be women. Madoka had a gorillion fanarts, because a huge part of the fanbase are women. If you don't get yuri fanart of your favorite yuri show it means that women aren't watching it lol
No.6482
>>6480Saving this idea for the future.
>despite drawing enemy ships punching each other sexually and single characters the majority considers politically offensivebased
>>6481>The lack of fanart is the biggest proof I need to know that the majority of "lesbian" yuri fans are actually men pretending to be women.why are men allergic to drawing fanart that isn't porn? women really are the creative ones in fandom
No.6484
>>6482>why are men allergic to drawing fanart that isn't porn?I think it's about upbringing or simply the inability to get obsessed with characters and dynamics the way women do.
I know a guy who isn't interested in porn like that, his desire is to draw his own comics which mainly feature male characters, so he tried to learn to draw for many years. But in the end he isn't interested in the process of drawing and creating itself, he just wants validation and a comic that gets attention. There is probably even the desire to fight his own insecurities too, by creating something others get into.
It won't surprise you when I tell you that he never learned it. He tries for a few weeks by reading drawing books and then always loses the motivation before he even finishes two sketches.
Meanwhile, a 42yo female friend of mine learned to draw with 40 out of a inherent desire to give the characters and ideas she has a shape. Her fandoms had almost 0 artists, so she basically drew for herself, spends 10h a day drawing/painting and she sits on a single fic for weeks or months till she considers it perfect, even if there are less than 10 people reading.
This is the central difference. Passion and interest. Some men can do it otherwise there wouldn't be any male mangaka (for non-porn shit), but the majority simply doesn't like characters enough to be obsessed enough to draw. The fanatic waifu fags never really care about the waifu as a person or her relationships and story, just a desire to fuck or marry her. They don't even any headcanons besides her becoming a tradwaifu if she married them.
No.6485
>42yo female friend of mine learned to draw with 40
she sounds based as fuck, i love her. did i understand correctly that she learned how to draw at 40 years old?
No.6490
>>6485Yes! She was always very active in fandoms and passionate, but she only wrote fics. At one point she got into a fandom with almost no fanart (Darksiders), especially no gay fanart so she said "Gonna do it myself then". I was genuinely surprised how fast she improved. This was the ultimate proof to me that it's all about practice and the will to draw and get better. You have to draw a lot, you have to enjoy and you have to get out of the comfort zone and draw something you didn't do before and you will collect a lot of EXP in a short time.
I thought that her new avatar was official fanart at first but no, it's her own art as well. It seems like nothing can stop her anymore.
No.6513
>>6511why are they using strawpage to write and screencap this just to upload it on twitter? I swear it's the mark of someone under 20.
I checked and the first user is 15.Anyway love the replies pointing out the views count tells you how many voted for yaoi. Currently at 153,100.
No.6514
>>6484I know women who pretty much only draw nsfw fanart but yeah obviously in different ways, I mean bl is the biggest example of that.
I do dislike tumblry fanarts or overly fluff art that is usually made by tifs or gendie women, it just feels too ooc for the characters.
No.6555
>>6545Have these people ever heard of the concept of bisexuality?
That aside it usually doesn't happen to my characters but it's crazy when people claim that someone was het so adamantly and acting as if the shit they say was based on evidence when there are zero hints in the series itself that imply that the character is het.
Like you have some guy or two that only ever talk to men, always hang out with each other and are visibly disinterested when there is a sexy girl scene happening right before their eyes while all other men are blushing and someone (probably on tumblr) will post their discourse in which they get mad at fans calling them gay. I swear if Bravern was mainstream you would see shit like this even for that series.
I believe that 100% of these posts either come from insecure men or yume that try to make their crack het or OC ship valid.
No.6558
>>6555>I swear if Bravern was mainstream you would see shit like this even for that series.To be fair when it was airing /a/ was saying it was gonna go lolicon route kek
>I believe that 100% of these posts either come from insecure menSince it’s from Reddit in this case it’s 100% an insecure moid.
No.6560
>>6545Gotta love that implication that being a badass means he can't not be straight. Because as everyone knows, homosexuality prevents badassery.
No.6564
>>6558I am not someone that condemns female fanservice but I still think that one scene in ep. 3 was absolutely unnecessary and even weirder in hindsight. It's just a joke but still. I feel like this about a lot of shows.
>Since it’s from Reddit in this case it’s 100% an insecure moid.What's with reddit and men anyway? Even the oldfag 4channers I know switched to reddit. I swear 4chan has more women than men by now. I have no proof of this besides the gut feeling I have reading posts. I don't know how many man are hanging around in isekai threads because I don't read/watch them, but almost every series I discuss on /a/ has like one coomer that spams a bunch of loli/waifu screenshots, manga crops or fanarts, two neutral male anons that only speculate about the plot and everybody else sounds like a fujo or lesbian, even if it's seinen or shounen.
Maybe the nonnas that are into Re:Zero can say something about its threads. But besides Dragon Ball discussions maybe every thread feels like the way I described it above.
No.6567
>>6565Tell him that being an insecure shit that obsesses about what others think is the opposite of masculinity. And he will die lonely.
That aside. The manliest man in the universe would fuck someone like He-Man because hes so top he tops everybody. Being afraid of men only means he's scared.
Before the world war it was even still common for (non-gay) male friends in my country to casually hold hands. I have even seen it in Iran and doubt that those were all gays. I also notice immigrants sometimes being more lenient with that. They casually lean onto each other in parks and hell, this looks het but same thing: I sleep in the same bed with my best male friend when we travel. We aren't into each other (even though he's het), no sexual shit. Just friendship and us being too stingy to rent apartments with multiple rooms just for an extra bed. That makes me manlier than him lol
Funny and related: a catholic guy I know doesn't even dare to go to the cinema with male friends to watch action movies because someone might think they were gay. All of my kek. I mention the religion because he was actually normal in the past but now he considers breathing itself homosexual. I actually file this under paranoia.
No.6569
>>6565feels like male suicide rates hurt real men more than anime boys taking it in the ass
No.6572
>>6565Was it a real scrote or a TIF?s Because the language sounds like something an aiden would say
No.6573
>>6572NTA but I have heard this same reasoning come only from real cis men that I've met IRL. Literally whining about fujos oppressing them because they're "sexualizing their friendship" which to me really tells more about their own homophobia.
No.6574
>>6560It's true, the second you show attraction to another man you're a pillow humping pussy.
>>6564>I swear 4chan has more women than men by now.Only possibly true on /co/, /cgl/ used to be majority women but now only men and troons into costhots use it.
No.6576
>>6574Why /co/? Like I'm sorry but none of the co men look hot to me unless it's comic related.
No.6577
>>6576It’s from stuff like Voltron, Eltingville and south park
No.6578
>>6576I am pretty sure half of the Transformer fans are women but you are right, it's mostly comics and a few anime adjacent cartoons. Most cartoon styles are way too abstract and geometric or blobby to me to be attracted to anybody. I often feel like they even make the characters ugly on purpose so imagine my reaction everytime I see fans fawning over canon lesbians that are literally just like 8 year old looking kids with spaghetti legs and arms and frog eyes.
I hate it when representation has to be tied to ugliness. And this is coming from someone who loves so-called "ugly" characters like the antagonists from Fukumoto series or dudes like Cyclonus and Tsukishima. But I think there are different types of odd looks. A character doesn't have to be conventionally attractive to be hot. The problem is that cartoon characters aren't hot. They are like blobs, are (or look like) 10 or have the family guy or RaM art style that are just atrocious on principle IMO (even though it works for the type of comedies they are).
No.6580
>>6565Just ask them why they're bothered by being "mistaken" for gay, they're homophobes trying to use progressive language to bully women.
No.6581
>>6571Thank you for your answer!
I feel like this stuff has gotten so much worse these days. Or for a while, that is. I feel like we don't even have many coomers on /a/ but the few that are there go on a crusade for it.
Like there is this annoying bikini shizo that you probably know (goes into every thread with 1+ female character to post a rant about the lack of pantsu fanservice in the show and considers it a sign for the end of anime and democracy), a loli obsessed faggot (same as bikini shizo, but with lolis and feminine shota), the anti-yaoi shizo that might appear in every BL adjacent anime thread if said anime was mentioned in the homo thread, the two(?) legit mentally ill yuri shippers that single-handedly render every discussion of any yuri related series impossible (most likely trannies, since they are genuinely afraid of male characters) etc.
No.6629
>>6622If these people had half a braincell they'd the be ones making content for them. But since most of every piece of media panders to yumes and himes, they never had to work for nearly as much as fujos do. They should be grateful their slop is able to get funding since they sure as hell won't do it themselves.
No.6653
>>6622Man, I hate how literally [existing] as fujo makes everybody seethe. People can shit on Hazbin/HB, Witch Hat Atelier and Vinland Saga how much they want, I will always respect the first series for being unrepentant self-indulging gay fanfics and the latter two for having creators that are happy when they see fujos loving their series and drawing instead of throwing a tantrum because gay men make them insecure. Didn't even one of the Arcane directors go to twitter to bitch about Jayvik?
All we do is to exist in our tiny, separate spaces and feeding ourselves and for some reason that still makes the rest of the world chimp out because they demand free fanart and control over the feelings of the female audience instead of telling their own people to move their ass and draw themselves.
No.6662
had a fudanshi fag(not even a tranny!!) on my fyp who said he hates "female bl fans" cuz they always sexualise everything
all these woke mfs trying to be inclusive but oh how dare women get off
No.6663
>>6662I believe that the core of all homophobia among men comes from the utter fear and anxiousness of being sexualised and that fear is doubled if women engage in it. And with sexualisation I don't just mean the obvious shit but even the "emotionalisation" of male characters. The act of making them being into each other, necessarily turning a man into a potential receiving part of sexual love.
The more a man sexualises female characters even the more scared they are of homos and women that imagine characters as homos.
It's funny how many instances there are where gay shippers trigger the creator of fiction. Media is flooded with all kinds of sexualisation of women (including that of little girls) but that's okay. Rape, pedophilia and sexual objectification is all fine, but we draw the line where implied homosexuality begins, because that's either disgusting or the fandom surrounding it is.
Imagine our world if people would care just half as much about pedo mangaka and sexualized abuse in live action as they do about mutual gay lovers and their few fans.
No.6672
>>6662How dare these fans of homoerotic comic books sexualise the homoerotic comic book characters.
No.6829
>>6827>you love oppressing men?Jesus, that comment. I wish that yaoi had the power to actually do that, the world would be a better place.
No.6834
>>6827I expected this to be some handmaiden but that icon is undeniably male. Pathetic.
No.6839
>>6837Those takes are an example of why simplification ignores complex causes.
First of all, besides some very rare exception the "people" that make up headcanons to begin with are women, not men. Most women are het, so they are attracted to or fascinated by male characters which is why they make stuff up about them and not the female characters.
So that question should be directed to men. But they either don't immerse enough into fiction to care or they are coomers that want porn and don't ponder about personality. Not fujo fault.
Further, in the defense of all men and women:
most female characters are written like shit and actually AREN'T more than fanservice. This also includes most feMCs of tryhard "girlboss" movies that try to be super woke. In the end those women aren't characters, they're political stances. Unlike the men.
Because men are written as individuals and way more varied. A single story can often contain 20 and more completely different types of men ranging from a psychotic serial killer over an authoritarian rich guy, a scary looking nice guy, a sophisticated middle aged gentleman up to a drag and/or a hobo.
Tell me a story that features this variety with women.
Fictional women can usually be categorized into like five types and all of them are inherently linked to gender, unlike men. A "hobo" or "dictator" role isn't per se gendered. "Femme fatale", "hysteric mother" or "obedient tradwife" is.
So you can't blame the audience for assuming that a character that was solely written to be "the waifu" or "the stonk woman (insert misunderstood trope about feminism)" is just that, because they usually are. It's the framing. Even if they weren't the priming is so strong that most will assume that they were unless the story is showing actual proof for the opposite.
And for the rest you have to call out the men as well as the women that adapted their popcultural coomer mindset and think they're cool for screaming "GIRLBOSS" and "MOM FRIEND". Not the fault of fujos.
No.6840
>>6837It's funny because the people who complain about this shit NEVER use that energy to write about the female characters themselves. Ever. You don't see them putting in the effort to analyze a female character and her motivations in-depth, it's just a very thinly veiled NLOG temper tantrum. They will rather write a thousand wall of text posts about how other women are dumb and misogynistic for not producing circlejerking essays about their waifu but will never set an example because they know the subject matter is always slop with barely any depth given to the female characters besides, let's be honest, being there as the boring "mom friend" and at least the male ships have the exciting yaoi thing going on for them.
>>6839And then when you ask for examples of complex and individual female characters with actual motivation they suddenly can't come up with any because they know it's a flaw within the industry enabling just a couple of empty archetypes rather than within the viewers' behavior.
No.6842
>>6837To a surprise to no one at least two of the posters from the screenshots are trannies. Both TIFs. rnorningstars seems to have deactivated their account but I would be baffled it was any different.
>>6840>NEVER use that energy to write about the female characters themselvesI sometimes check and you are right, never seen it either. Hell they're usually the types that are active in fujo spaces themselves but bitching about fujos. Same with antis, who always talk about problematic ships and then you go to their profile and see that they are shipping the most fucked up shit.
It's all performative. I never see the "LESBIANS!!!" brigade ever creating content for GWitch either that they hail as the best anime ever made. They continue to fap to hardcore yaoi.
>when you ask for examples of complex and individual female characters with actual motivation they suddenly can't come up with anyYeah. Recently someone brought up a manga girl because she's canonically super strong. But how is that framed? Right. She always blushes near the MC, has no own agenda besides loving MC and told him she wants to bear his children. All while the MC stays super cool because he's a self-insert that wants lovesick girls to orbit him for no reason.
But even IF you ignored the fanservice shit you can tell the intention behind her existence regardless. One hint for that is that she always smiles and acts super nice when she fights in war. Why is that? To signalize the male audience that they can be sure she is totally a super nice and nurturing girl despite being strong. It's sending a signal "don't be afraid, she really is just a strong devoted tradwaifu who is only strong for (you) whom she wants to marry".
The framing is obvious no matter how hard waifu fags try to deny it.
No.6843
>>6837Katara is the worst example they could have picked, she's a well-loved character with tons of fic about her and all you have to do is click on someone's rant about what they did to her characterization in Netflix ATLA to find endless essays about her personality. Hell, every ATLA woman is well-loved and has tons of fans. Guess what, when your women are written better than your average shonen girl, they'll have a large fandom.
I'm someone who regularly gets attached to minor characters with little screentime and it happens for male and female characters. But nothing kills my interest in a female character faster than her becoming somebody's love interest in 99% of cases. If my interest is gone, then I'm not going to create something from nothing just because I enjoyed a character design that much. I'd rather just create some OCs and write my own story.
This kind of whining is always code for 'some people are shipping this girl's canon or noncanon man with another guy instead of her so I'm going to call it biphobia or misogyny' anyway.
Also, a lot of the time when some minor dude has ton of fanon invented about him it's because people want to ship him with a specific other guy. When minor ladies get paired up it's usually because she looked at a guy once so she must be his canon waifu. Even when I like a particular girl I may not find another girl that's shippable with her.
A good example of how an initially interesting female character can quickly become boring is Hiyori from Noragami, although she's the protagonist. She's introduced with nerdy interests that she has to hide from her family and a wrestling husbando, then the second she meets the main guy, her interests and family conflict almost never appear again, and as soon as she tries to fight they make up an excuse for why it's too dangerous, so she quickly stops having anything interesting to do. She isn't as badly written as most shonen heroines but I have to wonder if some editor meddling was involved in that, because all the other women in the series are much better than her.
No.6844
>>6843>A good example of how an initially interesting female character can quickly become boring is Hiyori from NoragamiOne of the best examples of an aggressively shitty degeneration of a former good female character in that regard is Zero Two from FranXX.
She's introduced as a semi-antagonist with deep inner struggles, who feels alienated by humans and is skeptical of many of them while simultaneously doubting herself for being born as a monster that many humans resent and she has a wild attitude, eats with her hands for lacking socialisation and so on.
But then she falls in love with the MC and ALL of her scenes are just her smiling and shouting "DAARLING" at any given time.
She's by no way an exception but a good example that most modern anime fans might be familiar with. You usually don't see the same happening for the male characters, because it's series that are written for otaku so it's the woman that loses all of her former traits to be just "the waifu" because the target audience allegedly likes that.
No.6845
>>6844It's not like interesting men are never ruined by a romantic plot, either. Any character with motivations teased as complex, but especially villains or antiheroes, almost always fall flat when it turns out they're doing everything because of their dead love interest.
And for fujos, if your ship is nuked irreparably by het then you'll probably cut your losses and move on.
I've never seen FranXX but that's definitely a waste of a good design.
No.6846
>>6845Yeah this is why I usually prefer non-canon yaoi and rather have pandering and hinting. Most people are not only bad at writing romance, the romance will almost always turn into the central aspect of the characters in love and turn them to shit. Especially if they act all lovey dovey afterwards and forget all of their earlier motivations.
No.6848
>>6837There are fans who love analyzing interesting female characters and those who love 'evil' or not morally perfect female characters that are there to babysit the boys like 999% of the time.
The thing is fandom is inherently selfish, so if there is a female character that is romantically paired with boy mc she will be self inserted as, and treated as perfect.
Notice this never happens in fandoms where there is no romance or shipping at all.