No.6255[Last 50 Posts]
Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.
Old thread
>>4731 No.6258
Who's going to tell them bisexuals exist?
No.6259
>>6255Tbh they got me there. I do not in fact care about 'trans rights'.
No.6260
>>6255Lmao as if they care about women's rights, they'd rather appeal to men than a woman. I used to be very supportive, but then I realized that the majority of the lgbt community doesn't give a fuck for women. I was stupid for doing so.
No.6264
Infinity nikki twt is really shaping up to be a fun group
>>6260They say they do but really they only care if the woman is willing to play along. If they don't? Gets branded a terf and banished from the alphabet club.
No.6265
>>6264This person literally could've written that first fic and made it yuri if he or she actually cared. There was nothing stopping the first yuri Infinity Nikki fic from becoming a reality except this person's unwillingness to write it.
No.6266
>>6264Why do these people never take it up with their own ilk? If anything, the first fic not being yuri should be as indicative of a "problem" with yurifags as it is with some fujo hyperfocusing on the sole male character or whatever.
No.6268
>>6265>>6266They see others as content mills and not people. Why would do their own when the world is their personal media factory? And yea know what's funny about all this? There's plenty of canon yuri but they act like lesbians are oppressed and never catered to.
No.6274
>>6264Fujobait ships were pretty popular in Love Nikki, it shouldn't be a surprise.
No.6275
>>6273i usually like female characters, especially the disliked ones like sakura, because its mostly incels who shit on them. why is it always women being policed in fandom? and especially fujos?
No.6276
>>6273I usually like the canon F in my M/M ships which is why I don't think she should be condemned to a tepid relationship just because that's what you are supposed to do at the end of a story. Like, would YOU want to date a man who gives so much of his time/energy to another person? Hell no. Bangmaid doormat behavior.
No.6277
>>6273>you cannotwhen did it become normal to tell people online what to do over shit like shipping? I hate canon Sakura more and more out of spite from posts like this
No.6278
>>6273>multipshipper>tipSo like when you reuse a seme so his tip touches everyone? Okay. Still going to ship her with her best friend instead though.
No.6279
>>6274To be fair, I remember Nikki x Kimi being the most dominant ship, at least back when I played. This whole discourse is stupid, though, because this person's whole complaint is that fans aren't making enough content. How is that fujos' fault? We didn't kidnap all of the fanfic writers and artists, and force them to write yaoi.
>>6273While reading, I thought to myself, "people who make these posts were in the Naruto fandom in the 2010s, and never healed from that emotionally," and then I saw the tags.
No.6280
>>6273>suggesting multishippingThe biggest COPE of them all. My experience with militant multishippers is that they're arrogant and use that term to manipulate monoshippers into making art/fic of the ship the actually care about. They have a weird need to make sure every character gets a share.
No.6282
>>6281The implication that women can receive anal sex?? Amazing
Also, this is written as is yaoi is only pwp. Even the most porn filled manga still have some type of plot and character, (even if only loosely connecting the sex) that anyone can read, enjoy and empathize with, bruh. They've forgotten we are all human
No.6283
>>6281>fujofecesI have not heard that one before, come on, fujoshits is right there and rolls off the tongue better.
No.6284
>>6281self inserters are the mcdonalds of sexuality, its no wonder these brainlets can only conceive an extremely narrow way of enjoying sex and romance, and even tho they dont understand anything of how human sexuality works they have the audacity to dictate what makes sense or doesnt. they call fujos disgusting and then proceed to be basically scrotes into pov porn lol all i hear is an insecure becky and so everything has to revolve around her her her
No.6285
>>6282*CAN'T
I meant they think women /can't/ have anal sex
No.6286
>>6281>But most sane, nonparaphillic people will want to watch the kind of sex they themselves would be able to partake inThis goes beyond self inserting, they don't understand what porn is or how we use it. Porn allows for indulging in experiences that we would never want to partake in, even in instances where they would be possible. It's not a replacement for sex.
>>6285If they don't want others to enjoy porn they deserve to miss out on the gift that is anal stim and clit play.
No.6287
>>6284>self inserters are the mcdonalds of sexualityIt's more than just sex; these are the people who ruin modern books (and probably anime and stuff, too) because every protagonist has to be someone onto whom they can project. I feel like people are obsessed with the idea that every work of fiction has to be about a "Literally Me" character.
No.6288
>>6287>every protagonist has to be someone onto whom they can projectInterestingly, things shifted a lot after people started caring about "muh representation". People used to make their self-inserts idealized, Mary Sue versions of themselves but now everyone just projects every single mental illness and microlabel they identify with onto not only their OCs but existing characters.
No.6289
>>6264Lol just earlier on twitter I saw aydens(idk if there's a name for transwomen) saying that women's issues aren't real. They keep inflicting the patriarchy on themselves and use it to exploit and victimize themselves also that men have it harder.
As a long time fan of the nikki series (since I was in high school) I'm really sad to see the fandom spiral downwards into yuritard garbage. They've already ruined the hoyo fandom. Yuri fans always act terrible and get half of the harassment a fujoshi would get for just existing.
I already see them blaming fujos for the people who want a male mc in game. It's never been fujos complaining, we know what's targeted to us. It's the Aydens all the time, who say they want to be able to 'project' and 'relate' to female targeted games. (Funny, you never see them complain about games that automatically default to male mc like arknights). I almost
I'm tired of seeing fujos catching random strays being misinterpreted and blamed all the time for stuff we don't do. (like, tell me why I saw shoujo manga fans blaming fujos for the author writing male characters interacting? Fujoshi are not reading straight romance shoujo manga. And also, do you just want the male characters to have no other traits than existing for the female mc? You're no better than a moid then.)
>>6279Yuri fans are lazy and entitled. They make a post every other month complaining about the lack of yuri in what ever series they're into and get mad saying we're misogynistic for liking bl. Maybe get off your ass and create something. Yuritards will never have the passion and creativity of a fujo.
Also, I swear these people have never played shining nikki because in that game I'm 95% sure that the devs were trying to ship Nikki with a male named Loen. The game events usually feature straight couples in the story, but the event outfits are made into female clothes because Nikki's a girl they have no male model, there's like no yuri.
No.6292
>>6275incels dislike hinata not sakura, lets all learn to appreciate side female characters more and not the self-insert female characters at the center of the attention everytime.
>>6280>My experience with militant multishippers is that they're arrogant and use that term to manipulate monoshippers into making art/fic of the ship the actually careExactly! I even see people sometimes say "omg this is so policute"
They are so dishonest, it's like they are afraid to come out and say " i only like this ship" because they are gonna be isolated by other fans, usually people who repost art of all the ships are not even shippers anyway, just people who think the art is good looking.
No.6295
>>6273>I want everyone to ship my mid ship but I am such an immature retard that I will guilt trip people to ship it, that’ll definitely work!These people are everything that's wrong with fandoms. Spreading drama,toxicity and taking everything without contributing, and when they do contribute it's just the same dull repetitive content.
They can’t stand fans who enjoy anything outside of muh canon, but the moment canon doesn’t align with their tastes they twist it and make it a personal battle to confirm the canonicity of their ship.
I'm so tired of seeing their rants whenever someone ships characters that are not the main couple or they feel too threatening to their ship.
Btw this happens with straight ships too. I'm in a fandom where people actually said it's "too weird" to ship a onesided straight pairing where the guy canonically said the girl is cute lol
I’m honestly wondering if they have been stuck in a cave for the last 20 years or so since almost every popular ship in fandoms involved guys who were trying to kill each other
No.6298
>>6292>incels dislike hinata not sakurano, incels dislike sakura because she is less conventionally attractive from a physical standpoint, and because she rejected their naruto self-insert lol
sakura has more of challenging personality for a male to like as opposed to hinata who is strong in her own way but more meek and the literal embodiment of a yamato nadeshiko.
i've seen people hating on both characters, but hating sakura is such a standard in the anime community she's a widely used inside joke at this point.
also idk why you're telling me what to like, weird asf
No.6299
>>6298>because she is less conventionally attractiveIt's literally the opposite, hinata only has her body but Sakura was always supposed to be the prettiest girl in naruto, the girl naruto always liked, while hinata was the plain one, and most naruto self inserters at the time all shipped narusaku, infact they were the biggest whiners when hinata got with naruto, and that's where the hinata hate started.
Also, i am not telling you what to like, i was talking in general.
No.6301
>>6295I've seen some of those people get mad at those who ship the canon couple and think they're better because the side ship "has more chemistry~" and dunk on the canon love interest. I've seen it go both ways. All annoying, and they multiship to hide their agenda
No.6302
>>6299i've personally never seen men complaining about naruhina, but i don't doubt it has happened since the naruto fandom is huge and there is bound to be people who get emotionally attached to all sorts of ships.
however, leaving aside the fact i dont remember if sakura was even dubbed to be the prettiest girl in-canon, i'm talking about the fandom's reaction to the two girls, so how they're perceived irl by people, and not their canon status in universe.
was hinata overlooked? sure, that was a big part of her character arc, but she later bloomed to become a beautiful woman, who is now widely considered prettier and better than sakura personality-wise by naruto male fans in particular.
personally, i disagree with both statements but i'm not surprised in the slightest that scrotes pick a wallflower with unrealistic measurements who fangirls over their self-insert over a girl that is way more "difficult" and never reciprocated. you just have to look up the most disliked characters on any naruto reddit (lmao) and you'll see most men mention sakura without fail, and almost no one brings up hinata
No.6303
>>6289>never played shining nikkiAYRT and I'll admit I've never played Shining Nikki either. The Love Nikki community got really weird and infested with TIMs, so I sort of lost interest in the games after playing the first one for a few years. There was a strange attitude they often had where they would say Nikki x Kimi was 100% canon. Not in a joking way, but in the way that they legitimately thought it had been confirmed and suggesting otherwise was factually inaccurate. The subreddit was especially bad; I distinctly remember two users getting into an argument about if it was homophobic to deny they're in love or something like that (I don't remember- this was like 5 years ago, but I could probably find it again). I didn't mind the ship and even understood the appeal, but the attitude kind of confused me because fujos are constantly told we're being delusional for looking at similar hints for our preferred pairings.
>>6296Sorry nona, wasn't trying to imply it was the only ship or anything like that. I was just trying to say that I remembered how militant and vocal some shippers were, and that it felt very ubiquitous in the fanbase when I played.
>>6300>even if you're a hardcore nikkimi shipper you have to be retarded to pretend like Nikki games are Yuri games when they have canon het shipsThe subreddit was especially insistent that they were THE canon pairing. And, like, I get it. I have ships where I feel it's very obvious two characters are meant to be together despite what canon says, but there was a certain attitude that developed that was really… strange. Like they'd never had to ship something that had bait and no canonical confirmation, so they didn't know how to react to it not being explicitly confirmed. I even included a screenshot of the Wiki because it perfectly encapsulates what I'm describing kek.
No.6304
>>6303Yuritroons are going to be a scourge in this fandom. I can't wait for the meltdowns when people very obviously start shipping Nikki with
Giovanni. All in all, thank god papergames is Chinese and will never give in to these tards.
No.6309
>>6281Again, interesting how they never have an issue with lesbians liking moidwritten straight romances or even porn but fictional men drawn and written by real life women is off the table for them. Weird indeed.
>>6286>Porn allows for indulging in experiences that we would never want to partake in, even in instances where they would be possible. It's not a replacement for sex.This. It's frustrating how hard this idea got lost in the process, people emulating the dangerous shit they see in porn in real life because they can't make a difference between sex and consuming erotica and vice versa doing all the moral grandstanding over fan fiction because they don't comprehend how people are able to compartmentalize.
No.6362
>>6301>some of those people get mad at those who ship the canon coupleIn what fandom if I can ask? because usually that never happens.
People nowdays are obsessed with canon, minors or women who are in the same spaces as minors treat the generic canon het ship like it’s some groundbreaking concept they’ve never seen before and get overly defensive when someone suggests shipping other two characters.
Btw the same people usually have "pro shipper dni" in their bios while shipping school teens together lmao
No.6363
>>6362It me, I will look down on your for shipping the boring established pairing instead of my OTP for the series who are objectively the better choice! Joking of course, but I do think canonicity is a trap people fall into and it defeats the entire point of fandom.
No.6376
>>6375I've seen people not into yaoi/yuri rec mainstream het with background characters in good faith, they just don't realize it's a specific subgenre someone is looking for and not just series with gay characters. I don't buy that someone who is specifically asking for "yuri" from someone who knows what that is would be given a yaoi rec.
No.6377
>>6375How I imagine this exchange actually having gone:
>Whine and cry about there not being enough lesbian characters because you're here just to coom instead of being genuinely invested in the genre>Someone who equally has no idea what to recommend but wants you to shut up says "Um there's this one series with a lesbian coded character I guess">"IS IT REALLY??????? SHE BETTER HAVE 3453534 FICS ON AO3!!!!!!!!">"um sure">It's a series with two men that people ship in the fandom i.e. "yaoi" No.6378
>>6375>Looks at who retweeted thatMan, I wonder if people still believe that cancel culture exist because that person is still around and pay people to be her friend.
No.6379
>>6273I don't read actual BL so my ships are always half-canon but I am not into guys that get together with girls either so good riddance. This only happens if you are into teenagers.
No.6386
>>6381>>6383A 40 year old women typed all this. I can't fucking believe this.
No.6387
>>6378>pay people to be her friendCan anybody really be this pathetic?
>cancel cultureShe uses the 'race' card to protect herself from cancellation. And she panders to trannies non-stop, because it's the only audience that still supports her.
No.6388
>>6381>>6383There is plenty of shit to look at since people started to post her shit on lolcow.
>https://lolcow.farm/m/res/434062.htmlShe align with people who hates fujos (and ftm), there are way too many lesbians (and not) who hate women for liking men or anything related to it, like they are gender traditors.
No.6389
>>6388I doubt Benjanun is a lesbian, isn't she dating a troon?
No.6393
>>6389never heard anyone, even herself, mentioning a date. i remember her with the old name, winterfox and i found she was still alive when she was obsessing over the last dyke gundam
No.6395
>>6381>>6383Should I know this person? Is she a creator or something? Why does everybody know her?
No.6397
>>6395https://fanlore.org/wiki/Winterfoxthe tl;dr is that she was a prolific troll who could not shed her skin. Because she has money (and I mean Real Motherfuckin' Money, iirc she is a hotel business heiress) she is essentially immune to being cancelled in a way that matters.
No.6413
>>6389>>6393I don't think shilling yourself to online trannies by flirting with them counts as 'dating'. E-girls are not 'dating' their customers either.
No.6468
why do people hate more on fujos than on men who watch lesbian porn?
No.6469
>>6468They don't admit it, but most people are taught to hate women the moment they're born. The way women are often villainized, objectified, and infantilized teaches them that women aren't people. They're things. So when that thing has motivations, aspirations, hobbies, and other qualities not centered on men, suddenly they're a threat to society. This is why yumes gang up on fujos. Because to them, they're living a life free from expectations while yumes are playing out fantasies society expects them to act out.
As someone who likes both het and bl content, it all sounds so fucking retarded. No.6471
>>6468Homophobia mixed with misogyny.
No.6477
>>6468Most men who hate on yaoi just outright call it disgusting and degenerate for being gay.
However the people going on moral crusades against yaoi are woke fandom women… going after other women. Wokies can't go after men into lesbian porn because men will hold their ground, laugh, and tell antis to fuck off. Also woke fandom retards aren't hanging out in male social circles. However they CAN guilt trip and dogpile fujoshis. Policing other people online is a power trip and fujos are acceptable targets for fetishizing uwu mlm.
Lesbian obsessed troons are disgusted by BL, so they will pretend that their hatred is because fujoshis are misogynistic for not making yuri schoolgirl content for them. Also a lot of yuri fans just want to shit on yaoi and act morally superior for liking yuri… instead of just liking yuri.
No.6480
>>6477I am still convinced that the reason for why I never got any hate in woke-dominated fandoms in all those years, despite drawing enemy ships punching each other sexually and single characters the majority considers politically offensive, is because the fandom assumes I am male. I will certainly not go out of my way to tell them I am not. Instead, I posted photos of my spiked mace, gun and katana (because I recently got the latter and wanted to show it to those interested), probably further convincing them of their belief.
I know for certain that a bunch of them assume an artist friend to be male too based on the types of men she (and I) are into and drawing and the lack of text-posts we make. I am sure that none of these people ever attack men.
The biggest shitstorms I see happening in my own fandoms are tranny A with cutesy art style and pastel colors fighting tranny B with cutesy art style and pastel colors. The drama can stay there.
No.6481
>>6457Happy that yaoi gets so much more but these posts are always so damn stupid. The majority will always prefer liking over retweeting. Likes are private, retweets get you the politics onto your timeline, probably causing drama or simply not belonging to the kind of account you want to have. So whenever someone makes one of those dumb like=x, RT=y it's fucking obvious that y will have ten times the numbers.
It makes me wonder if the person that posted this is stupid. I thought it was a yaoi fan for obvious reasons, but seems like that's not the case. Then they are just stupid for thinking that anything will ever get more RTs than likes.
>>6479The lack of fanart is the biggest proof I need to know that the majority of "lesbian" yuri fans are actually men pretending to be women. Madoka had a gorillion fanarts, because a huge part of the fanbase are women. If you don't get yuri fanart of your favorite yuri show it means that women aren't watching it lol
No.6482
>>6480Saving this idea for the future.
>despite drawing enemy ships punching each other sexually and single characters the majority considers politically offensivebased
>>6481>The lack of fanart is the biggest proof I need to know that the majority of "lesbian" yuri fans are actually men pretending to be women.why are men allergic to drawing fanart that isn't porn? women really are the creative ones in fandom
No.6484
>>6482>why are men allergic to drawing fanart that isn't porn?I think it's about upbringing or simply the inability to get obsessed with characters and dynamics the way women do.
I know a guy who isn't interested in porn like that, his desire is to draw his own comics which mainly feature male characters, so he tried to learn to draw for many years. But in the end he isn't interested in the process of drawing and creating itself, he just wants validation and a comic that gets attention. There is probably even the desire to fight his own insecurities too, by creating something others get into.
It won't surprise you when I tell you that he never learned it. He tries for a few weeks by reading drawing books and then always loses the motivation before he even finishes two sketches.
Meanwhile, a 42yo female friend of mine learned to draw with 40 out of a inherent desire to give the characters and ideas she has a shape. Her fandoms had almost 0 artists, so she basically drew for herself, spends 10h a day drawing/painting and she sits on a single fic for weeks or months till she considers it perfect, even if there are less than 10 people reading.
This is the central difference. Passion and interest. Some men can do it otherwise there wouldn't be any male mangaka (for non-porn shit), but the majority simply doesn't like characters enough to be obsessed enough to draw. The fanatic waifu fags never really care about the waifu as a person or her relationships and story, just a desire to fuck or marry her. They don't even any headcanons besides her becoming a tradwaifu if she married them.
No.6485
>42yo female friend of mine learned to draw with 40
she sounds based as fuck, i love her. did i understand correctly that she learned how to draw at 40 years old?
No.6490
>>6485Yes! She was always very active in fandoms and passionate, but she only wrote fics. At one point she got into a fandom with almost no fanart (Darksiders), especially no gay fanart so she said "Gonna do it myself then". I was genuinely surprised how fast she improved. This was the ultimate proof to me that it's all about practice and the will to draw and get better. You have to draw a lot, you have to enjoy and you have to get out of the comfort zone and draw something you didn't do before and you will collect a lot of EXP in a short time.
I thought that her new avatar was official fanart at first but no, it's her own art as well. It seems like nothing can stop her anymore.
No.6513
>>6511why are they using strawpage to write and screencap this just to upload it on twitter? I swear it's the mark of someone under 20.
I checked and the first user is 15.Anyway love the replies pointing out the views count tells you how many voted for yaoi. Currently at 153,100.
No.6514
>>6484I know women who pretty much only draw nsfw fanart but yeah obviously in different ways, I mean bl is the biggest example of that.
I do dislike tumblry fanarts or overly fluff art that is usually made by tifs or gendie women, it just feels too ooc for the characters.
No.6555
>>6545Have these people ever heard of the concept of bisexuality?
That aside it usually doesn't happen to my characters but it's crazy when people claim that someone was het so adamantly and acting as if the shit they say was based on evidence when there are zero hints in the series itself that imply that the character is het.
Like you have some guy or two that only ever talk to men, always hang out with each other and are visibly disinterested when there is a sexy girl scene happening right before their eyes while all other men are blushing and someone (probably on tumblr) will post their discourse in which they get mad at fans calling them gay. I swear if Bravern was mainstream you would see shit like this even for that series.
I believe that 100% of these posts either come from insecure men or yume that try to make their crack het or OC ship valid.
No.6558
>>6555>I swear if Bravern was mainstream you would see shit like this even for that series.To be fair when it was airing /a/ was saying it was gonna go lolicon route kek
>I believe that 100% of these posts either come from insecure menSince it’s from Reddit in this case it’s 100% an insecure moid.
No.6560
>>6545Gotta love that implication that being a badass means he can't not be straight. Because as everyone knows, homosexuality prevents badassery.
No.6564
>>6558I am not someone that condemns female fanservice but I still think that one scene in ep. 3 was absolutely unnecessary and even weirder in hindsight. It's just a joke but still. I feel like this about a lot of shows.
>Since it’s from Reddit in this case it’s 100% an insecure moid.What's with reddit and men anyway? Even the oldfag 4channers I know switched to reddit. I swear 4chan has more women than men by now. I have no proof of this besides the gut feeling I have reading posts. I don't know how many man are hanging around in isekai threads because I don't read/watch them, but almost every series I discuss on /a/ has like one coomer that spams a bunch of loli/waifu screenshots, manga crops or fanarts, two neutral male anons that only speculate about the plot and everybody else sounds like a fujo or lesbian, even if it's seinen or shounen.
Maybe the nonnas that are into Re:Zero can say something about its threads. But besides Dragon Ball discussions maybe every thread feels like the way I described it above.
No.6567
>>6565Tell him that being an insecure shit that obsesses about what others think is the opposite of masculinity. And he will die lonely.
That aside. The manliest man in the universe would fuck someone like He-Man because hes so top he tops everybody. Being afraid of men only means he's scared.
Before the world war it was even still common for (non-gay) male friends in my country to casually hold hands. I have even seen it in Iran and doubt that those were all gays. I also notice immigrants sometimes being more lenient with that. They casually lean onto each other in parks and hell, this looks het but same thing: I sleep in the same bed with my best male friend when we travel. We aren't into each other (even though he's het), no sexual shit. Just friendship and us being too stingy to rent apartments with multiple rooms just for an extra bed. That makes me manlier than him lol
Funny and related: a catholic guy I know doesn't even dare to go to the cinema with male friends to watch action movies because someone might think they were gay. All of my kek. I mention the religion because he was actually normal in the past but now he considers breathing itself homosexual. I actually file this under paranoia.
No.6569
>>6565feels like male suicide rates hurt real men more than anime boys taking it in the ass
No.6572
>>6565Was it a real scrote or a TIF?s Because the language sounds like something an aiden would say
No.6573
>>6572NTA but I have heard this same reasoning come only from real cis men that I've met IRL. Literally whining about fujos oppressing them because they're "sexualizing their friendship" which to me really tells more about their own homophobia.
No.6574
>>6560It's true, the second you show attraction to another man you're a pillow humping pussy.
>>6564>I swear 4chan has more women than men by now.Only possibly true on /co/, /cgl/ used to be majority women but now only men and troons into costhots use it.
No.6576
>>6574Why /co/? Like I'm sorry but none of the co men look hot to me unless it's comic related.
No.6577
>>6576It’s from stuff like Voltron, Eltingville and south park
No.6578
>>6576I am pretty sure half of the Transformer fans are women but you are right, it's mostly comics and a few anime adjacent cartoons. Most cartoon styles are way too abstract and geometric or blobby to me to be attracted to anybody. I often feel like they even make the characters ugly on purpose so imagine my reaction everytime I see fans fawning over canon lesbians that are literally just like 8 year old looking kids with spaghetti legs and arms and frog eyes.
I hate it when representation has to be tied to ugliness. And this is coming from someone who loves so-called "ugly" characters like the antagonists from Fukumoto series or dudes like Cyclonus and Tsukishima. But I think there are different types of odd looks. A character doesn't have to be conventionally attractive to be hot. The problem is that cartoon characters aren't hot. They are like blobs, are (or look like) 10 or have the family guy or RaM art style that are just atrocious on principle IMO (even though it works for the type of comedies they are).
No.6580
>>6565Just ask them why they're bothered by being "mistaken" for gay, they're homophobes trying to use progressive language to bully women.
No.6581
>>6571Thank you for your answer!
I feel like this stuff has gotten so much worse these days. Or for a while, that is. I feel like we don't even have many coomers on /a/ but the few that are there go on a crusade for it.
Like there is this annoying bikini shizo that you probably know (goes into every thread with 1+ female character to post a rant about the lack of pantsu fanservice in the show and considers it a sign for the end of anime and democracy), a loli obsessed faggot (same as bikini shizo, but with lolis and feminine shota), the anti-yaoi shizo that might appear in every BL adjacent anime thread if said anime was mentioned in the homo thread, the two(?) legit mentally ill yuri shippers that single-handedly render every discussion of any yuri related series impossible (most likely trannies, since they are genuinely afraid of male characters) etc.
No.6629
>>6622If these people had half a braincell they'd the be ones making content for them. But since most of every piece of media panders to yumes and himes, they never had to work for nearly as much as fujos do. They should be grateful their slop is able to get funding since they sure as hell won't do it themselves.
No.6653
>>6622Man, I hate how literally [existing] as fujo makes everybody seethe. People can shit on Hazbin/HB, Witch Hat Atelier and Vinland Saga how much they want, I will always respect the first series for being unrepentant self-indulging gay fanfics and the latter two for having creators that are happy when they see fujos loving their series and drawing instead of throwing a tantrum because gay men make them insecure. Didn't even one of the Arcane directors go to twitter to bitch about Jayvik?
All we do is to exist in our tiny, separate spaces and feeding ourselves and for some reason that still makes the rest of the world chimp out because they demand free fanart and control over the feelings of the female audience instead of telling their own people to move their ass and draw themselves.
No.6662
had a fudanshi fag(not even a tranny!!) on my fyp who said he hates "female bl fans" cuz they always sexualise everything
all these woke mfs trying to be inclusive but oh how dare women get off
No.6663
>>6662I believe that the core of all homophobia among men comes from the utter fear and anxiousness of being sexualised and that fear is doubled if women engage in it. And with sexualisation I don't just mean the obvious shit but even the "emotionalisation" of male characters. The act of making them being into each other, necessarily turning a man into a potential receiving part of sexual love.
The more a man sexualises female characters even the more scared they are of homos and women that imagine characters as homos.
It's funny how many instances there are where gay shippers trigger the creator of fiction. Media is flooded with all kinds of sexualisation of women (including that of little girls) but that's okay. Rape, pedophilia and sexual objectification is all fine, but we draw the line where implied homosexuality begins, because that's either disgusting or the fandom surrounding it is.
Imagine our world if people would care just half as much about pedo mangaka and sexualized abuse in live action as they do about mutual gay lovers and their few fans.
No.6672
>>6662How dare these fans of homoerotic comic books sexualise the homoerotic comic book characters.
No.6829
>>6827>you love oppressing men?Jesus, that comment. I wish that yaoi had the power to actually do that, the world would be a better place.
No.6834
>>6827I expected this to be some handmaiden but that icon is undeniably male. Pathetic.
No.6839
>>6837Those takes are an example of why simplification ignores complex causes.
First of all, besides some very rare exception the "people" that make up headcanons to begin with are women, not men. Most women are het, so they are attracted to or fascinated by male characters which is why they make stuff up about them and not the female characters.
So that question should be directed to men. But they either don't immerse enough into fiction to care or they are coomers that want porn and don't ponder about personality. Not fujo fault.
Further, in the defense of all men and women:
most female characters are written like shit and actually AREN'T more than fanservice. This also includes most feMCs of tryhard "girlboss" movies that try to be super woke. In the end those women aren't characters, they're political stances. Unlike the men.
Because men are written as individuals and way more varied. A single story can often contain 20 and more completely different types of men ranging from a psychotic serial killer over an authoritarian rich guy, a scary looking nice guy, a sophisticated middle aged gentleman up to a drag and/or a hobo.
Tell me a story that features this variety with women.
Fictional women can usually be categorized into like five types and all of them are inherently linked to gender, unlike men. A "hobo" or "dictator" role isn't per se gendered. "Femme fatale", "hysteric mother" or "obedient tradwife" is.
So you can't blame the audience for assuming that a character that was solely written to be "the waifu" or "the stonk woman (insert misunderstood trope about feminism)" is just that, because they usually are. It's the framing. Even if they weren't the priming is so strong that most will assume that they were unless the story is showing actual proof for the opposite.
And for the rest you have to call out the men as well as the women that adapted their popcultural coomer mindset and think they're cool for screaming "GIRLBOSS" and "MOM FRIEND". Not the fault of fujos.
No.6840
>>6837It's funny because the people who complain about this shit NEVER use that energy to write about the female characters themselves. Ever. You don't see them putting in the effort to analyze a female character and her motivations in-depth, it's just a very thinly veiled NLOG temper tantrum. They will rather write a thousand wall of text posts about how other women are dumb and misogynistic for not producing circlejerking essays about their waifu but will never set an example because they know the subject matter is always slop with barely any depth given to the female characters besides, let's be honest, being there as the boring "mom friend" and at least the male ships have the exciting yaoi thing going on for them.
>>6839And then when you ask for examples of complex and individual female characters with actual motivation they suddenly can't come up with any because they know it's a flaw within the industry enabling just a couple of empty archetypes rather than within the viewers' behavior.
No.6842
>>6837To a surprise to no one at least two of the posters from the screenshots are trannies. Both TIFs. rnorningstars seems to have deactivated their account but I would be baffled it was any different.
>>6840>NEVER use that energy to write about the female characters themselvesI sometimes check and you are right, never seen it either. Hell they're usually the types that are active in fujo spaces themselves but bitching about fujos. Same with antis, who always talk about problematic ships and then you go to their profile and see that they are shipping the most fucked up shit.
It's all performative. I never see the "LESBIANS!!!" brigade ever creating content for GWitch either that they hail as the best anime ever made. They continue to fap to hardcore yaoi.
>when you ask for examples of complex and individual female characters with actual motivation they suddenly can't come up with anyYeah. Recently someone brought up a manga girl because she's canonically super strong. But how is that framed? Right. She always blushes near the MC, has no own agenda besides loving MC and told him she wants to bear his children. All while the MC stays super cool because he's a self-insert that wants lovesick girls to orbit him for no reason.
But even IF you ignored the fanservice shit you can tell the intention behind her existence regardless. One hint for that is that she always smiles and acts super nice when she fights in war. Why is that? To signalize the male audience that they can be sure she is totally a super nice and nurturing girl despite being strong. It's sending a signal "don't be afraid, she really is just a strong devoted tradwaifu who is only strong for (you) whom she wants to marry".
The framing is obvious no matter how hard waifu fags try to deny it.
No.6843
>>6837Katara is the worst example they could have picked, she's a well-loved character with tons of fic about her and all you have to do is click on someone's rant about what they did to her characterization in Netflix ATLA to find endless essays about her personality. Hell, every ATLA woman is well-loved and has tons of fans. Guess what, when your women are written better than your average shonen girl, they'll have a large fandom.
I'm someone who regularly gets attached to minor characters with little screentime and it happens for male and female characters. But nothing kills my interest in a female character faster than her becoming somebody's love interest in 99% of cases. If my interest is gone, then I'm not going to create something from nothing just because I enjoyed a character design that much. I'd rather just create some OCs and write my own story.
This kind of whining is always code for 'some people are shipping this girl's canon or noncanon man with another guy instead of her so I'm going to call it biphobia or misogyny' anyway.
Also, a lot of the time when some minor dude has ton of fanon invented about him it's because people want to ship him with a specific other guy. When minor ladies get paired up it's usually because she looked at a guy once so she must be his canon waifu. Even when I like a particular girl I may not find another girl that's shippable with her.
A good example of how an initially interesting female character can quickly become boring is Hiyori from Noragami, although she's the protagonist. She's introduced with nerdy interests that she has to hide from her family and a wrestling husbando, then the second she meets the main guy, her interests and family conflict almost never appear again, and as soon as she tries to fight they make up an excuse for why it's too dangerous, so she quickly stops having anything interesting to do. She isn't as badly written as most shonen heroines but I have to wonder if some editor meddling was involved in that, because all the other women in the series are much better than her.
No.6844
>>6843>A good example of how an initially interesting female character can quickly become boring is Hiyori from NoragamiOne of the best examples of an aggressively shitty degeneration of a former good female character in that regard is Zero Two from FranXX.
She's introduced as a semi-antagonist with deep inner struggles, who feels alienated by humans and is skeptical of many of them while simultaneously doubting herself for being born as a monster that many humans resent and she has a wild attitude, eats with her hands for lacking socialisation and so on.
But then she falls in love with the MC and ALL of her scenes are just her smiling and shouting "DAARLING" at any given time.
She's by no way an exception but a good example that most modern anime fans might be familiar with. You usually don't see the same happening for the male characters, because it's series that are written for otaku so it's the woman that loses all of her former traits to be just "the waifu" because the target audience allegedly likes that.
No.6845
>>6844It's not like interesting men are never ruined by a romantic plot, either. Any character with motivations teased as complex, but especially villains or antiheroes, almost always fall flat when it turns out they're doing everything because of their dead love interest.
And for fujos, if your ship is nuked irreparably by het then you'll probably cut your losses and move on.
I've never seen FranXX but that's definitely a waste of a good design.
No.6846
>>6845Yeah this is why I usually prefer non-canon yaoi and rather have pandering and hinting. Most people are not only bad at writing romance, the romance will almost always turn into the central aspect of the characters in love and turn them to shit. Especially if they act all lovey dovey afterwards and forget all of their earlier motivations.
No.6848
>>6837There are fans who love analyzing interesting female characters and those who love 'evil' or not morally perfect female characters that are there to babysit the boys like 999% of the time.
The thing is fandom is inherently selfish, so if there is a female character that is romantically paired with boy mc she will be self inserted as, and treated as perfect.
Notice this never happens in fandoms where there is no romance or shipping at all.
No.6851
>>6837It's funny because you see these complaint screencaps and 90% of the time it's people mad they aren't making fanfic of their favorite yuri pair or that they don't like their (actually bland) female character enough.
No.6852
>>6851Yeah I casually see otaku on 4chan getting mad at it too because they don't get the expected coom art and the 90%+ of the fanart is about the men because the artists are fujos.
I am so fucking tired of people that never contribute shit to a fandom but go out of their way to bitch about the ones that do it.
No.6854
>>6853Too lazy to check all of them out and read their histories but I would bet 100 bucks that all of these are either self-hating male trannies, male coomers that want yuri porn or self-inserters that seethe because their crappy self-ship is not getting any art.
No.6855
>>6854It looks like the argument is over M/F this time so the 3rd mixed with hetfags that think the more women there are in a ship the more feminist it is.
No.6857
can someone explain to me what fetishizing gay men even means???
No.6858
>>6857Either RPF, which actors/singers hardly ever care about because they are public figures anyways, OR a weird teenage girl saying something weird to a weird teenage TIF online
So basically things that don't actually affect gay men
No.6860
>>6857Basically "you only like this as coomer fuel". It's saying the only thing you're into gay romance for is touching yourself to the concept of gay men. The example of fetishizing they use in sociology lectures is when men talk about Asian women in terms of a generalized stereotype, eg. "I like Asian women they're always into freaky shit", or "I like Asian women they do anything you tell them". It's seeing a varied demographic as just a vessel for porn scenarios.
The problem is that nobody discussing BL and what they like in gay cartoon porn is talking about a real person. They are typically separating fictional gays from real life groups or individuals, and also separating their fictional gays by types so that any lewd statement is never about the entire category. In comparison the men being shitty about Asian women are almost always doing it at real people and dehumanizing them to their faces, making their peers and colleagues uncomfortable, and causing distress for their targets. But the internet is more concerned with thought policing the creative pursuits of women than holding gross men accountable. Their defense is that the way fictional gays are portrayed and discussed affects how people treat real gays, ignoring the part where people talk differently online to how they do face-to-face with a real human being. Fandom antics intended for one niche audience do not accurately reflect someone's real world behavior in front of strangers.
It's like arguing semantics. Yeah, some of this is clearly fetishizing men, but not real men or serious real world issues. When I fetishize a guy who can eat fifteen burgers in one sitting, and sprouts wings from his back when you hit the right spot, I am no where close to thinking of a real person or coloring my view of real people. Only a tiny portion of his identity relates to a real world thing, and it's almost inconsequential compared to the mountain of romance tropes and oddly specific lewd shit I'm piling on him. That's why it's a pain to argue with those people, because objectively there's truth to the statement, but they are not considering what the statement actually means or affects. They make a moral judgement on its existence alone and don't know what the implications or consequences are because they haven't thought about the many factors in this. All they know is the extreme interpretation (targeting real life gay people) would be a bad thing, so everyone must be doing the most harmful and extreme thing this could mean, and even if you aren't, somehow by existing you influence the most extreme thing into happening
somehow because. Don't you know that if you post NaruSasu five times after midnight you make a real Uchiha ninja feel grumpily inadequate in his sex life, and the gays are held to an unfair expectation of whiskered dattebayoing tops.
No.6862
>>6860>It's saying the only thing you're into gay romance for is touching yourself to the concept of gay men.What you have to realize is for most of these people it is not about gay men but that women might be touching themselves to something. Instead of trying to defend my tastes or explain how they are not harmful my only reply to this is now so what? You do not owe anyone an explanation.
No.6863
>>6860>>6862I don't believe it's internalized misogyny, it's just narcissistic people that want to feel morally superior to others. They like the same stuff as other fujos but want to feel better so they come up with a reason for why they are the only ones allowed to be fujos while shitting on everybody else or come up with an allegedly moral reason for disliking a certain ship (so called "antis") even though they just dislike it for their taste.
So they make up this whole TIF identity to feel like morally approved real fans. It's probably the type of people that tried to be the good kid during childhood, so they internalized that they have to bestow moral narratives to absolutely everything. I met such people (and it's always women, usually with christian roots) IRL a few times. All they do is related to morals. Everything they dislike is morally bad, everything they like is morally sound. Since people like that are often mentally ill they are likely to become online addicts and make they way into fandoms.
The REAL problem is that there are too many fujos that tolerate them. I won't say that you should argue, it will only cause drama. It's enough to just not give them positive attention or retweets, but many fujos do. I know otherwise cool fujos, but everytime a TIF makes a tranny-, genderbending- or race-swapping fanart they have to praise it.
It's a western problem IMO. There was an artist in my fandom that kept turning the most popular ship into yuri or trannies. But most fans are Japanese and they don't feel this moral obligation to retweet. They only RT if they actually like it. So no matter how hard she tried she never got more than 1-2 RTs and eventually moved away.
No.6864
>>6863I think for some people you can definitely make a case of internalized misogyny, though narcissism can be concurrent. Hating and being authorative over women is a time-honoured male tradition and I'm sure it feels very 'validating', like the ultimate 'not like the other girls', to act like you're above the fujos because you 'aren't one anymore. Don't forget that hate or extreme discomfort with your birth sex is a core part of the trans experience whether or not the person has 'actual' dysphoria and takes selfies with their tits out or not, and especially for immature teens this can result in throwing women under the bus because you can't empathize with them anymore. (But of course, they still want access to female-only spaces and resources when it's something that benefits them or they experience misogyny. The amount of times I've seen 'female and nb only space'… people see through it but don't say it out loud. lol)
I also wish more people would just ignore them. But the gendie community is pretty big in most fandoms so they can ass-pat each other. People who aren't interested stay quiet.
No.6865
>>6853>that toji pfpThis is a world's colliding moment holy shit. For some reason, jjktwt always recycle the same dumbass discourse when they come into my timeline. In this case, I see this user and their friend group frequently in satosugu v.s. gojohime stans and used to follow every public spat they had with geto stans. Sometimes I agree with them, sometimes they're really stupid. I always find those type of m/f shippers ironic cause they advocate so much of fictional female character's feelings. Yet, I often see their friend group slip up and say misogynistic or degrading insults to their opponents, who are usually female, that they either have to backtrack, apologize or just wait until it all goes over. So the anon wondering here
>>6855 yes it absolutely is lmao.
No.6869
>>6868the best way to deal with these retards is to keep on creating through art or writing or any of kind of creative collaboration. While ignoring them and telling them to fuck off. Notice that none of these fake yuritards bother to hype up their own OTP or analyze dynamics or create anything?
>dw she doesn't mind being cheated on she ships them?LMAO
No.6870
>>6868>This time I'm actually so confused because what the hell are they talking about here? It sounds like they're just making shit up. I think they're talking about specific fandoms and characters because it's not the kind of stuff I see, but I've heard about Arcane fans arguing over some important female character, her canon bf or husband, and the guy whose usually shipped with said bf or husband. I'm allergic to anything related to LoL so I have no clue what the characters' names are, but basically I've seen fujoshi shipping the two guys together and making jokes about how they're cucking the woman but she's fujoing out, het shippers saying these fujoshi are fetishizing gay men and that's bad, and more "normal" black girls who self insert as the female character saying fujoshi are racist or sexist against them or in general, or just weird or creepy in general. That's the most recent example I can think off and I only know about it because the second season was a popular topic on twitter.
No.6871
>>6868Isn't this hetfag seethe? They're complaining about heroines being 'cucked' out of their het romance and being made into lesbians.
Anyway just another day of caring more about fictional womemn than real ones. Also when a canon het ship is actually abusive or garbage is it really better for the woman to stay with that POS when he could be fucking another guy instead?
No.6873
>>6871Not sure about the others but the OP in the first pic is a yurifag. A lot of the people agreeing are hetfags/yumes who are using it as a convenient excuse to get mad that their husbando is getting buttfucked though kek. It's just that among some yurifags, they consider hetships as more feminist just by virtue of a woman being involved. There's also the fact that they view turning female characters with canon romantic interests into fujos (what
>>6870 described) as a new woke way to disregard them. Imo there is some truth to the 3rd pic where the OP talks about how some female characters are just flippantly hc'd as lesbians as a leftovers thing and so they're not in the way of the ship. I do think xitter fujos overcompensate by involving the female character in some way so they're not seen as misogynistic when they could just not give a fuck, but as we can see it's useless because they'll get called woman haters no matter what.
No.6874
>>6868>making their love interest ignore them & kiss another man in front of themI assume she means the canon or ex love interest because the actual love interest in this scenario would unironically be the other man and not the girl. But even then, I've seen this happen more with all three being guys. Not that I haven't encountered it with a female character, but usually it's a fic where the author is bashing multiple characters which includes the canon love interest or the author makes an oc and has this scenario to play out.
>showing them crying bc their "gay husband" left themI've never in my 12 years of reading gay fanfic ever come across this trope. I've seen them be annoyed at the guys being happy, but never cry. Also they're usually already divorced or getting divorced. On the rare occasion that she's still with the guy when he realizes he's gay, she also gets a happy ending.
>the "dw she doesn't mind being cheated on she ships them >:3c"Another one that I've never actually seen before. I can see it being a joke to make in the comments or on twitter, or perhaps in a crack fic akin to My Immortal, but not in a regular fanfic.
>the amount of fan art/fics I've seen of my favs being reduced to the butt of a joke is ridiculousThis means she's purposefully going out of her way to find fics that have the girl being cheated on, turned into a surrogate, or become lesbian. I could excuse art because sometimes you just stumble on that shit while searching google, but to know what is in a fanfic? Why not exclude relationships and stuff that trigger you? I mean I know the answer is to just be an asshole to fujos online, but she outed herself on this.
No.6875
I don't even know what to say.
>>6869I try my best but I'm just floored by how delusional and out of touch they are. It also pisses me off how they get away with being terrible all the time but god forbid a woman has shipping preferences.
>>6870From my own experiences I've seen troons and gay men hate female characters the most.
Sounds like they're just adding a bunch of shit just to make that group sound bad lmao. And ppl who claim fujos are naturally racist are stupid as hell because there are many black fujos. (Myself included) Not to deny those experiences because it does happen. But they always try to simplify the situation and group the people they don't like together to push their own agenda. (Another example of them doing so is the hetalia fandom)
>>6871The original poster is a yuritard but some hetfags are jumping on it because they hate fujos for interrupting their bland straight ship.
>Also when a canon het ship is actually abusive or garbage is it really better for the woman to stay with that POS when he could be fucking another guy instead?Exactly I hate how hypocritical hetfags can be. The op was complaining about characters in the new popular game mouthwashing. I don't wanna spoil too much but the female character was a victim of abuse from the male cast. They get real mad if people ship the two male characters who made her suffer.
I do agree it is distasteful if someone did make the art she's talking about but I haven't seen it myself.
No.6876
>>6875Most of the fujos I know (including myself) like female characters but don't center them in fujo content for obvious reasons. I even make content for female characters I like. But even if I didn't, why the fuck does it matter? It's like complaining straight men don't buy male pinups or about waifufags ignoring men. Who gives a shit?
No.6877
>>6873Pairing the girl off with another girl is one easy way out, but what if you pair her with a different guy instead? What if you think her man is trash and she could do better?
Would they rather people just kill the woman off? At least she's happy and out of the way. Sometimes you also get the crowd who will only accept m/f/m poly that in practice just focuses on the F.
No.6878
>>6875Ah the famous adage of "most fujos are cucks." What is their obsession with fujos and cucks?
>>6877>what if you pair her with a different guy insteadThis happened with Uraraka a lot before Togachako became popular. Writers would pair her with Iida often. Which is great for her because she's apparently poor and Iida is wealthy spawn.
No.6879
>>6875Another day ending in y where selfinserters can't comprehend that some people don't want every story to be about them personally, I guess. No, I'm not too insecure to fuck my husbando. I just want to read about characters who actually exist in the canon instead of inserting literally (Me) or dressing myself up as a super special sparkly OC and warping my husbando's personality around her.
I have nothing in common with the majority of anime men and they would not realistically be interested in me. The 1% of rare times I see a guy who could actually be compatible with in real life (read: is desperate enough - like Zenitsu), I'll just crush a bit but I'm still not out there writing selfinsert stuff and I'll still enjoy BL content with him anyway. Because I'm still only interested in canon characters.
No.6880
>>6877>Would they rather people just kill the woman off? At least she's happy and out of the way.They want fujos to be as invested in the female character as they are with the male ones. Any discourse over yaoi just comes back to people being mad fujos aren't making content for them.
No.6883
>>6882>to the point where they cannot stand seeing a girl being loved and happyI think the fundamental difference between me and this type of person is that since I was a kid I never enjoyed female characters with romantic interests, especially if they were the token girl who had boy crazy as their whole personality. My female faves were usually side girls with no romantic plot. What I really wanted back then, and still do, were more girls with no interest in romance who were just cool characters. Especially during my teen years, because I had, and still have, no interest in relationships myself.
In my mind, if you really care about some one-note girl character, you'd make her realise her man isn't shit and go flesh out her character, make her actually relevant to the story, the same way the men get to be. Give her a better love interest too if you want, but that's secondary. Her character comes first. Being defined by romance is what drags so many female characters down in the first place.
It's much more powerful to make the devoted waifus reject their shitty writing by realistically losing interest in their teen crush and move on with their lives.
>Untrue! I just usually ship girls with their brothers!Based. I don't tend to like canon brocon girls but some oniichans really are better than their canon LI
No.6886
>>6874Most fics I seen usually just leave the girl character out of it, no insults or afterthoughts. If they had any experiences with fics like this, my only advice is to stop reading stuff made by 12 year old wattapad users.
>>6876I agree I have female characters I love with all my heart but I find it harder to stick to them like I do with my bl ships. I came to the realization that it was because they have little to no interesting or good content coming out like bl does (and most writers are shit at writing women). Most female character content is just beautiful artwork or porn, so I often find myself admiring them like a painting.
They just want us to feel bad and cave into their will to make us produce content for them. But they always het upset because they've started to notice that people have been hyping them up but don't actually like yuri.
>>6877(Fic where male is mourning his wife he doesn't know how to take care of himself and gets groomed by other guy into relationship while he is emotionally weak)
They won't like it if you point it out but most hetfags (even the females) hate m/f/m. (ngl I'd eat up m/f/m even though I'm a heavy fujo)
>>6878>What is their obsession with fujos and cucks?Troons and lesbians projecting om us after not being able to get straight woman to love them.
>>6879And the way the mischaracterize any male characters to fit their self insert.
I was watching a streamer play love and deepspace and I couldn't stop cringing when they tried to make it dark, mysterious and sexy.
>>6881Yuritroons in shambles rn
>>6882Based
>>6883Damn you said how I feel perfectly. The best characters and ships come from stuff that's not romance based. I also hate how in media like waifubait jrpgs they would have some awesome girl characters but once she becomes a love interest everything that she was build upon crumbles down and she just becomes tsundere waifu number 10017839.
No.6888
>>6868>turn the woman into the butt of the jokeI don't the see them complaining about shoujos or romcoms that do that with the female rivals all the time
No.6889
>>6875>And ppl who claim fujos are naturally racist are stupid as hell because there are many black fujos. (Myself included)I know, but as I said, black normies who watched Arcane on Netflix were saying this in that very specific case. I'm not black nor white, but from my personal experience and from what my fujo friends also told me (some black, some not) we were all told that being nerdy was some "white people thing". So us reading manga in the 2000s when growing up got us comments like "you're trying to be chinese or white?". I assume this is the same thought process here, normies assuming nerds they're interacting with online are white and potentially racist just because of their hobbies and because they have too much common sense to have a selfie as their profile picture.
No.6891
>>6868They are professional victims you see similar crying about "hundreds of years of oppression of yurifags" on 4chan all the time, though there it's usually TIM trannies posting. I never encountered any of that shit either so they're either just talking about their own shitty fandom or get angry about the voices in their heads.
I didn't even have any ship I was ever interested in that was canonically het or involved a female love interest. Most gay ships are about dudes that are obsessed with each other as enemies, rivals or best friends with no girl involved lol
Anyway it doesn't sound like yurifags IMO rather like self-shippers who seethe because you make pretty art of their husband being together with another dude, so make more of it!
Let me guess, none of them have made art of their so beloved pairings right?
No.6892
>>6875>a lot of fujos are just yumes who hate themselves too much to self insert as themselvesI always figured this was a common sentiment among anti fujos (specifically hetfags), but this is the first time I see someone actually say it out loud. It's strange to think that fujo culture has been around for decades and yet outsiders still come up with all kinds of mental gymnastics to make it out to be something it's not because they refuse to believe a group of women into romantic/sexual media can possibly like it without needing to self insert.
>>6887There's plenty of anime, manga and games that have fandoms that specifically focus on discussing and creating fanworks for female characters if those whiners genuinely cared and they're not even niche (for example think how popular and well-regarded Madoka is, or how prolific the Touhou fandom is), but yumes don't actually care about female characters outside of their self insert mary sue and himes never actually post about yuri outside of memes, plus both groups are envious of fujo fandom output so they constantly seethe when they stumble upon any female fan that dares to openly enjoy yaoi. There's a weird subsect of yuritards specifically that seem to only ever get into fandoms for works with a majority male cast and predictably they're perpetually miserable, I've seen people who exclusively post about pretty boy gacha games go on rants about how evil fujos are and how unloved yuri is. Incredibly bizarre, fujo derangement syndrome is real.
No.6893
>>6871>>6868>what a horrible existence, a girl without a male love interest or winning the man she rightfully deserves! the horror!!!!!They just sound like the female version of men complaining about being NTRD tbh
No.6894
>>6892The real question here is why they don't create. I am somewhat interested to know.
Because for me it's a natural urge. I like something so much have to create art for it. I have to give the ideas I have shape, want to shill my favorite characters and the image I have of them, want to depict the parts of the story the canon omitted or only talked about but didn't show etc.
It's naturally when you love something. So since they aren't doing it my only guess is that they don't really like what they claim to be fan of in the first place.
No.6897
>>6892>they refuse to believe a group of women into romantic/sexual media can possibly like it without needing to self insert.Because they are narcissists.
For narcissists other people that think the world doesn't revolve around them look crazy.
The biggest irony is that self inserting doesn't help self esteem at all, it even makes it worse, its just a coping mechanism. Their brain process is "real life me sucks so let me project into this sort of fictional simulacrum of myself, they are successful so that somehow makes me feel successful too"
It's the woman version of inserting in the nerd guy or the average guy who suddenly gets an harem.
No.6898
>>6837They blame fujos but then these people never have anything to say about female characters beyond what a girlboss she is and telling fujos they must like their mid hetero ships with her.
No.6900
>>6899Lmao, are they mad because Akane didn't get a hoodie instead of Genma? Or are they talking about Shampoo? Because if it's the latter, Shampoo has always been more popular than Akane as a character + her design is more recognizable.
But yeah, it can't just be any female character, it has to be the one they obsess over or self-insert into.
No.6901
>>6868What this is is entitlement.
>>6893 is right, it's like incels who feel they're being cucked the moment their waifu talks to another male. They want to self-insert on female characters, either in yuri or het ships. Not making fanart of women in those ships so they can self-insert is a betrayal because you're not following THEIR fantasy. They see women who don't want to self-insert when they ship and they call it misogyny because they don't relate to being a fujoshi. This is why many of them are yumes who say fujos are too misogynistic to self-insert on female characters, because the yume mind can't comprehend anything else.
No.6903
The only time I personally remember fujoshi shitting on a female character was on tumblr back when the season of haikyu was airing where Daichi expressed interest in the captain of the girls' volleyball club and the guy he's usually shipped with actually was rooting for him. I remember some post where the girl captain was called a bitch because she got in the way of the ship. This was one instance a long time ago and I definitely haven't seen this sort of thing around as a popular phenomenon. As far as other fandoms go I can imagine that Lizzie used to be badmouthed in the black butler fandom by sebaciels early on but these days I just see sebaciel shippers talk about how Ciel ruined her life and she'd be way better off without him.
No.6904
>>6902I actually haven't seen re zero, I just think Rem is a good example of 'waifu character who gets more shit than like 99% of male characters and basically became an otaku mascot character for several years'
Same could be said for the fate girls (aside from Sakura, no one likes wormsluts)
No.6908
>>6899Whenever someone has "lesbian" in the name you always know it'll be a loud annoying as fuck tranny.
No.6910
>>6885No one is ever referring to male otaku fandom when they whine about female characters being ignored. They're in the bubble of female dominated fandom and forget that the majority of series and marketing are targeted at males. Cute waifus and their tits are everywhere, and sometimes women are thrown a bone with some cute boys.
No one wants to say out loud that they just aren't interested in the male fandom content of doujins of their waifu getting raped by monsters/ugly bastards. Even then there's usually plenty of 'normal' or less coomer fanart made by men of popular waifus, just much less written fanfic.
No.6914
>>6910I can understand being annoyed that so much fanwork produced of female characters is hardcore rape doujins made by coomery otakus, but what I don't understand is why these people NEVER go after them. They let them do their thing unperturbed, maybe they'll make a post going "ugh most fanart of my fave is coomer shit", but the complaints that go viral are always the ones blaming fujos for everything. I get that men generally don't care if women were to tell them to stop drawing that stuff, but I never even see them try which makes me think that they believe male otaku are exempt from all criticism because "oh well they'll never change", but fujos can be shamed into making the fanworks they want us to make for them. It's an incredibly misogynistic attitude, which is ironic considering these people always accuse fujos of being evil misogynists.
No.6916
>>6914This. But also technically there should be way more yume than fujos out there so why is there no fanart? Why don't THEY draw fanart? I think they are only in fandoms to virtue signal about politics. Because I basically never see doujinshi of female characters that aren't hardcore porn made (usually untalented) men. Like I know of great male artists but lol, porn artists are usually fucking bad and trace the same few distorted position since it's the only thing they can draw.
If yume actually cared they would just make art and fics themselves. But I am in one big discord that has a lot of yume disguised as fujos and honestly none of them have a shred of creativity left so they cannot make anything. The only thing some of them might draw blatant self-insert OCs or *sonas that even have the same hairstyle as them and they never interact with canon characters. They only stand there. Or it's ugly chibis with exact same position and expression, it's like copypasted the same pic 400 times and only change the details.
If they ever come up with a headcanon at all (almost never happens) it's ALWAYS "man doing an incredibly feminine, OOC thing" or "man dresses as woman" I am sick of it lol Many of them use pronouns though so not sure if this is an own category, they only post super girly stuff so it makes no sense for them to be trans"men" but I am almost sure none of them is male/trans"woman".
Not sure what causes this though. Why ARE fujos usually more invested and obsessed? Is fujoism a symptom of media focused ADD hyperfixations? It's weird. Or maybe yume produce content but not for the series I like?
No.6918
>>6891>"hundreds of years of oppression of yurifags"It ALWAYS comes down to them being lazy and not making content. Never a fujoshi problem. Think about the Saint Seiya autism of the past or how western fujoshi housewives made Kirk / Spock happen in the fucking 60s, 70s, and beyond. Were we ever catered to? Was it ever a problem for churning out fan content? Can't imagine troons making meaningful yuri content. Troon "himejoshi" are sad because they are heterosexual men who don't have the community and passion women do for fandom. It's why they seethe at yumes too.
No.6920
>>6916>Why don't THEY draw fanart?A lot of yumes I see are non-sharing aka they chimp out if they encounter anyone else that likes the same husbando as them kek. You could argue fujos have a similar issue with seme/uke preferences, but I don't think those are as extreme as straight up blocking anyone that even so much as talks about your fave. They only draw fanart that gets shared and liked by their friend group of 19 other yumes on Twitter from what I've seen. You can't really grow a decent fanwork culture if you limit your interactions so heavily.
>none of them have a shred of creativity left so they cannot make anythingWhen someone HAS to project onto a character in a pairing to be literally them, thier ships and fandom contributions will always be bland. The fanworks most yumes create are just wish-fullfillment: if that's the only thing you and your ilk can make, nobody will ever really care about your work beyond empty fake positivity.
No.6921
>>6920>When someone HAS to project onto a character in a pairing to be literally them, their ships and fandom contributions will always be bland.>A lot of yumes I see are non-sharing aka they chimp out if they encounter anyone else that likes the same husbando as them kekThese two factors really limit Yume creativity and community. Fujos liking the same pairing well come together and collaborate while Yumes have to aggressively block. Most "yume communities" I see are just people sharing prompts.
As much as I like otome games sometimes, it's just boring after a while to have the same generic passive Nice Girl (TM) protagonist who always tries her best and uses keigo every time. The character can't be too pretty to trigger insecurities, too dynamic to possibly isolate someone, no really bad traits, etc. With BL the dynamics allow for infinite interesting possibilities. I really love pairings with outright weird or morally gray / bad characters.
No.6922
>>6916There are yumes who draw and write but being a yume is harder to get into because you have to make all of the content yourself. Those who openly call themselves yumes are the most passionate ones so the label basically carries a self-selecting bias. The rest cannot swallow this pill so they resort to self-inserting and retarded projecting masked as headcanons and muh representation as you mentioned with "fujos" who are really just yumes in disguise. The inability to detach themselves from a piece of work and appreciate two characters as they are is why their content is so shit.
No.6924
>>6908They have the same entitlement as moids and hate seeing fictional men because they see them as a threat but they're troons so they get a pass.
No.6937
>>6868>Utena iconFor fans of such a "feminist" anime, these people sure do hate women a lot.
No.6938
>>6903For me it was Deviantart club stamps in 2004. Back when "anti-yaoi" and "anti-Sakura" were common things to see collected on people's about mes. Since I haven't seen it since I assume it's either because I'm in older internet spaces, or because now the internet is broader there's less small pockets where people feel comfortable making something of their dislikes for comments. On old DA you were likely to only run into people who were into the same stuff as you and would share your takes as a dumbfuck teenager and comment in approval, but now any rando can walk in on you so people tend to hold back making edgy artwork to express negative opinions.
>>6916I've seen yume on both Eng and JP side who create a lot of drawn content. The Eng side do, as you say, self-insert OCs, usually with multicolored hair and fifty facial piercings and fishnet gloves, and they'll draw a ton of different icons, portraits, and chibis of them. Occasionally they're eating sundaes on a date with their boy of choice, but they flipflop between boys so I guess they find it more productive to draw the self insert alone then write about their relationship so they can reuse the art.
The JP side I actually like. They focus a lot more on point of view art with simple scenarios like bringing you tea, coming home when it's snowing, picking up snacks while shopping, that sort of thing. It makes for tons of solo art of a character doing every day activities. I really like that. Sometimes they'll draw him lying on the lap of a character with an obscured or cropped off face, mob style. Here and there you'll get a whole OC with a profile and distinct character with comics elaborating on how they met within the series' world and other key events.
It's frustrating to see JP yume who draw doing so much more with the character and series in mind, even though their numbers compared to accounts who don't draw are fairly low, meanwhile the Eng side it's more like every yume draws just a little, so there's a perpetual flood of personal things I can't get into as a stranger, but I'm going to have to wade through it every time I look in their direction.
No.6939
>>6921>come together and collaborateThis wording right here has suddenly enlightened me on why my conversations with yumes fall flat so badly. I do a little yumeing myself for my one husbando, but whenever I try interacting in yume spaces I get these urges to make suggestions back to people or describe cute scenarios for them and their husbando, and it's just not a thing. It gets really awkward with some people. Other times I was complimented because I was engaging with questions that let other people talk more, and they weren't used to long conversations and character analysis happening in that way. That always made me feel like I should participate more but then I'd hit another awkward note and it was too anxiety inducing for me. Nobody else would suggest things to me, or if they tried it was very generic romance cliches that didn't fit my husbando's personality. It wasn't collaborative like when I suggest a scenario in a fujo group and someone is informed enough to reply "oh and he does this next", and we continue in a chain of three people adding details. Even after getting to know people over the course of a year it was pretty impossible for us to collaborate on self shipping or whatever.
No.6940
>>6916>>6938I suppose it is pretty hard to create yume content that is widely enjoyed cause you'd have to find a way to get people to care about your self insert. The point of view art is a pretty good solution cause otherwise all I can think of is how there's, for example, Degrees of lewdity fanartists who get an audience from drawing their player girl with Whitney or Kylar and that's kind of a gray area cause a player OC isn't always a direct self-insert.
No.6960
>>6944So they broke up but people are still saying she's being cucked by people shipping the guys? These people are insane.
No.6961
>>6960Yes. Some people even think the writers themselves essentially cucked her with the storyline kek.
No.6962
>>6944They break up? All this time I thought that they were a canon couple, turns out it was more fucking retarded than I thought.
No.6964
>>6944My fav part is that the girl people argue is Viktor's love interest, who he feels responsible for killing and keeps as a ghost in his mindscape, pretty much tells him go get your man and backs off to let him and Jayce talk. Or that's how I remember it.
No.6968
>>6916Most yume/het ships fanart is basically the same poses, blushing, hugging, or some cuddles, basically anything that screams out loud "cuteee"
Bl ships are most of the ones with diverse fanart and not just cutesy stuff, if anything the only good fanarts of hetships i see are from not popular ones.
No.6970
>>6961to be fair the writer got caught on her twitter (it was an old tweet) where she said that the female character was boring which is why things ended up like that and people accused her of racism and misogyny.
No.6973
>>6970>people accused her of racism and misogynyCan people just treat the black characters like every other character instead of some weird sacred concept you aren't allowed not to like?
I've noticed people seem to be scared of writing black characters with certain flaws or roles. All of the black characters in media I see end up being this reliable cool calm collected best friend or mentor or leader kind of role. I just want to see more interesting black characters overall instead of everyone playing it safe. I want to see fun or stupid or crazy black characters too. I'm not finished with Arcane yet, but as soon as I saw Mel I knew she was going to be kind of boring.
No.6980
>>6900Akane yumes are weird, they make it hard to enjoy ranma if you care about anything but the romance, they have this vendetta against shampoo too simply because she is more popular than akane.They act like the only reason is because of waifufags but Japanese women voted overwhelmingly for Shampoo in the Rumiko character poll.
They barely analyze the character too outside of yumeing, they just praise her and talk as if it's literally them. Things like how not being able to cook is feminist or how her short hair apparently inspired them to cut theirs too.
Some of them pretend to be fujos when they basically do fuck all but create ranryo content.
No.7025
>>6980>inuyasha and ranma have more female fanstbh its funny how women always tend to gravitate towards shounens.
I like inuyasha too but maison ikkoku is her best work imo
No.7054
>>6857it means that your horny worldview affects how you treat men
it's not necessarily an indictment, but the whole memeplex (a real word, please look it up) of bl stuff means you don't think about men the same way that others do. it may or may not bleed into your interactions with men. don't think about it too hard and just be cool with people
No.7073
>>6902if one character or one specific pairing merch sells the most that's nothing really that can be done about it. it literally means more people are willing to buy said product compared to what anyone is whining about.
The ranma fandom here is full of foreigners raiding merch, some people are even suggesting buying merch to burn it lol
The birth of kitaro fandom has all bl ship merch of kitaro's father with mizuki, even one where they share an umbrella.
Why? Because people like it.
I am tired of people whining about they like not being popular, because they don't support with their own money, like fujos or fans of some other character and noncanon ships. It's not the market fault people don't buy your ship merch.
No.7075
>>7073Tbh I think with Rem it went way beyond the actual fandom and into people buying cute girl merch for cute girl merch's sake.
The original fandom not liking this makes sense to me, it's hard to brush it off so bluntly with "people whining about they like not being popular", especially considering the character hasn't been in the anime since 2016. She's been in a coma for a decade now.
From what I've heard, people do try to completely buy out the merch for other characters when they get released, it's just that there is rarely any merch for other characters to begin with.
There are different situations and I don't think every case can be summed up so crudely with "you're just whining because what you like is unpopular".
No.7077
>>7075I don't know much about re:zero but I remember Rem was massively loved when it came out, she surpassed Emilia and was even shipped with Subaru for some time. Levi from snk for example had the majority of the merch and figures out of all snk characters, and Armin who is practically a main character has very few figures, and they're all from before the timeskip.
I think It's kinda like Makima too.
No.7078
>>7073this is kind of retarded. but if a couple is canon or more popular, it's smarter to sell them alone to increase the profit (which is something that every franchise do).
fans gonna drop more money to always get a copy of A and B to get their fave couple together instead of just buy a single item with A and B together.
No.7079
>>7077It's a bit difficult to explain but its not that she isn't popular, even those that complain about merch tend to like her as a genuinely good character, it's just that many get annoyed because she's considered the *only* character by marketing and a shallow waifubait at that, selling the series as something it isn't, a decade into her being in the coma and not in the show.
Using AoT as an example, it'd be like if 90% of figures were cute and sexy cgdct styled figures of Mikasa being a waitress or in a school girl outfit, sometimes with Sasha or Annie, and the closest to "Attack on Titan" you get is one figurine where Eren is with Mikasa. Levi doesn't get figurines and neither does Armin.
No.7081
>>7078I'm guilty of falling for this marketing because I need my OTP together so I will buy both (even if I like one of them more)
I'm jealous of Gege/Mizu getting so much specifically paired together merch. I wonder if it's going to be more common with other genres since its merch sold so well (here's a recent T&B kuji)
No.7083
>>7075>>7079I feel this. Two series I love get nothing but merch for the same few characters that appeared right in the first episodes of the anime even though half of them barely have any screentime anymore and the others have changed visually (and for one of the fandoms most of those that get merch aren't even in the series anymore).
My favorites are prominent characters and for one series one of favs is probably even more popular than the actual MC, but we cannot even SHOW our love and tell them to make merch of him because he doesn't get anything to begin with. They keep sticking to the same characters and don't even try to test the waters too see if they could make twice as much money by making a single extra acrylic for a character who wasn't represented before. I hate it.
No.7084
>>7081It's fair, it's not like is your fault.
I also try to buy my OTP merch if I can buy both.
But I guess that a show/movie that focus on two characters, and is not a romance/harem, it has no problem to pair up the main duo.
Gegemizu got a lot of paired up merch but also separate, i'd say it's 50/50
There are solo character oshi, so thank god they think about them.
No.7089
>>7079It seems to depend on the fandom demographics. I mean I’m into Kuroko no Basket and really wanted a Momoi figure, but she doesn’t even have a single scale figure, all very cheap figures, which is disappointing. The same goes for Riko. Meanwhile, some male characters who have far less appearances have far more figures than Riko.
I think it's because, in the end, even if people like both characters, not many are willing to spend money or buy figures of them while they will buy all kuroko figures available for example
No.7092
>>7091I think most people here don't know enough about the fandoms involved to really talk about tbh, also not really the point of the thread to begin with.
No.7114
>>7113Haven't played it yet, but I can see how someone would be upset about someone "devaluing" a serious game with memes. The problem is pointedly attacking a specific group of people and not the action.
No.7115
>>7113Also the strange implication that specifically a rape victim apparently can't be part of a cringy joke anymore.
No.7116
>>7113Oh wow, a screenshot of a xitter shitpost and two meme redraws, all involving a grand total of 3 fandoms. Truly this is enough evidence to demonstrate all fujos are evil. Also is this what spawned those thinkpieces on fujos and female characters that were reposted on here a while ago?
>>7114I saw people say the context for the mouthwashing picture at least is that it's depicting an actor AU where none of the things that happened in the game are real and the characters are all acting. If that's true, that makes people crying about it even dumber.
No.7117
>>7113>women and LITERAL RAPE VICTIMS!!!!These are all fictional characters in a dumb meme redraw. I find the Anya one distasteful but nobody cares she's not real. The Arcane one offending people is hilarious though. First world problems
No.7118
>>7113>yuri jesus>search "transgender from:galelphie">i love my beautiful transgender wifeEverytime
No.7124
>>7113Personally I find it more offensive to have a female character whose sole purpose is to be raped and then die to showcase the awfulness of the setting and the villain, but what do I know.
No.7126
>>7114It's not devaluing the game when the creators made the actor AU first.
No.7128
>>7126Like I said I haven't played Mouthwashing and know nothing about it. If it's creator supported I find it even funnier. I just assumed based on the tone of that tweet it was about purity guarding a
super serious game with real issues.
No.7413
>>7125Typical yume/hime tactic, constantly guilt-tripping and whining to pressure others into liking what they like. That seems to be the only way they communicate on social media.
Never seen fujos do this, even for ships that are unpopular.
No.7416
>>7414why is this generation so fucking cringe
No.7417
>>7414This "you can yuri the yaoi but don't you DARE yaoi the yuri" shit is getting tiring. It seems to be one of the new shitty memes yurifags are spreading around like a disease to push for less yaoi and more yuri in fandom. Why did they even get so antagonistic anyways? I started noticing attitudes like this gain significant traction a few years ago. The funniest thing to me is that these people probably think they're being based and pinkpilled for hating on fujos and putting yuri on a pedestal like this but this is the same attitude himedanshi have always pushed with their muh purest form of love shit, just with different words.
No.7418
>>7414I genuinely and unironically believe that a lot of these people are just searching for reasons to shit on talented artists because they're jelly and they want clout but don't get it through normal means because they suck, so they get it by being assholes.
No.7419
>>7414>"pink" and "girl" in the handle>other hater also having "girl" in the handleEverytime. I know why I ignore people like this. It's always the ones with "lesbian", "girl", "pink" or similar stuff in the name that are the most hateful social media addicts you can find (besides actual racists and that shit). Makes me wonder if it's a form of camouflage or coping because they know they're hateful.
No.7421
>>7419yeah, also people with kpop pfp for some reason.
No.7437
>>7436>Other than that it’s your typical “YAOI IS HETERONORMATIVE”I want to really know as well regarding the people who keep saying this, what is heteronormative about two dudes fucking?
No.7438
>>7436>bara>often explores real lgbtq+ themeskek
No.7440
>>7436Today I learned that hairy man asshole and BDSM rape porn without plot was exploring real lgbtq+ themes
No.7442
>>7437it's something people keep regurgitating because of yaoi ronso still echoing but only in english ppl spaces where the person knowns how to google (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys%27_love#1990s:_Mainstream_popularity_and_yaoi_rons%C5%8D) and misogyny in a genre that is known to be made for a specific demographic but more than often authors are not women in the same way geikomi authors are not always dudes. also i wish people would stop using a slur when they are trying to talk about a genre, even tagame spoke about it ages ago
No.7446
>>7438>>7440People bringing up tagame works when it comes to the TRUE AND REAL representation will always be funny to me because you are evil for liking the chink effeminate dudes who are very obviously HETERO coded but you are a strong and brave ally if you read about prolapsed hairy man anus. These are the TRUE GAYS and not those nasty fujo fetishized garbage!!!
also I have never seen SoL yaoi about "realistic queer experiences", neither seinen ai
No.7451
>>7446>>7448tbh I hate both. I lean more towards bara but can't stand actual bara works. They are all mean spirited pure porn and I don't like hair.
No.7452
>>7446No one who upholds bara as the pinnacle of muh realistic and wholesome gay representation actually reads it. They think it's all different variations of My Brother's Husband kek. I had a bit of a phase for it before and while emotional beats aren't entirely non-existent, that type of storytelling is 100x more common in le ebil yaoi works.
These brands of people accuse fujos of fetishizing and romanticizing fags but their image of gay men is even more fictitious. Their catalogue for original and fanmade work is all penned by women, if they ever saw the stuff gay men were actually writing on Literotica/Nifty they'd probably think it was unreadable trash.
No.7453
>>7452realistic gay sex with prep, sex farts and hairy assholes would traumatize them
No.7454
>>7452It's so weird because even just googling 'bara' gets mainly ecchi results (geikomi mostly gets you comparisons to BL granted)
>>7451It's not my thing but I'm also not a gay man kek
No.7457
>>7454I actually like the Scott Pilgrim dude lmao
Though I think liking bara adjacent stuff isn't THAT uncommon for women or at least believe I am not alone since the success of Golden Kamuy and Bravern. Gamagoori was also pretty popular among other women back when KlK was airing. Though I still think that the majority likes the twinkier younger ones, at least within the anime community.
>>7456The shrubby post is one of the dumbest things I heard in a long while. Like, yes. If het men like woman/women het women might actually men/men. It's not rocketscience.
I want to know the sexualities of these people. I assume it's 95% TIMs and 5% lesbians in denial.
No.7458
>>7457>I actually like the Scott Pilgrim dude lmao He's cute, I was more into Wallace/Scott ship wise though (Scott being his forever straight guy turned sex slave for rent is hilarious to me).
I feel like stuff like Golden Kamuy has the faces that are more common in BL circles (though it's not really my cup of tea) more or less the same thing with bravern.
>I assume it's 95% TIMsA lot of it is just regular non trooned out guys to be fair.
No.7459
>>7446>you are a strong and brave ally if you read about prolapsed hairy man anusPretty sure Tagame went farther and wrote about [spoiler] dick widening mutilation. [/spoiler]
>>7457I feel like it isn't uncommon for fujo to check out bara at least a bit when first getting an idea of what to read, gay is gay after all.
Not to mention Mentaiko used to be pretty trendy back in the day, pretty sure he effected artstyles that came out afterwards.
No.7461
>>7460I didn't save it at the time and I can't find it anymore but I remember this one time someone put a meme on my twitter following feed that said something along the lines of "True fujoshi don't shit on yuri" and I internally rolled my eyes at that because I've NEVER seen any fujoshi shit on yuri as much as yuri fans constantly shit on BL and fujoshi.
No.7462
>>7460>Stuck in 2017That's being very very generous kek, in terms of layout and jokes they're basically rage comics with the characters swapped out.
I think it's just a weird inferiority complex thing since fujos never shit on yuri as hard as they shit on yaoi (I've never met a fujo was a madomagi fan and didn't like Homumado).
I do think yuri fans have considerably more basic taste compared to fujos though since it's pretty rare that they'll like a ship that isn't canon/HEAVILY implied to be.
No.7464
>>7460In a way, the one on the right makes some sense because you get the most bitching from fujos when it comes to shipping, if something should be shipped or if it's morally incorrect or not meanwhile waifufags don't give a shit. The "girl" in the chad side is probably a troon though kek
You'll see a lot of the types that hate 'problematic' yaoi ships ignore 'problematic' yuri ships like sisters or whatever because as long as they're girls it's somehow less problematic.
>>7414>>7419>>7417I'm pretty sure this weird yuri autism that comes /almost/ specifically from
>JJK stans>Kpop stansis some weird form of trying to 'combat fandom misogyny' by pushing for more women than men, and that there should always be more women no matter what. It's like some 'feminist' attempt in disguise while in reality it's just probably annoying dykes and trannies just hating fujos as always.
Most of the fujohate comes from other women hating fujos for "hating women" and "being misogynistic" while they wouldn't hestitate to shit on a (real) person just for not liking the fictional girl
No.7466
>>7465
I mean we're talking about a reddit where the guys literally assumed that no one actually reads yaoi and it's just all an internet meme like tricking someone into watching boku no pico.
They aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.
No.7467
>>7461I saw that meme too. I hated it. Not because I dislike yuri (I am fine with it and fan of some yuri series like Madoka) but because it feels like a moral check-up that you are FORCED to agree with if you don't want to be exiled and shunned by the community so I refuse to agree on principle.
Whether I like yuri or not is not anybody else's business and it shouldn't influence how people treat me online. Even if someone hates yuri I demand people to respect that as long they don't attack yuri fans. Nobody shits on you if you hate yaoi, so hating yuri should be accepted as well. It's just about taste and preferences. This moralizing annoys me.
No.7468
>>7467Not a fan of alien stage (I liked their previous projects better) but apparently that happens all the time there because the BL ship is more popular than the yuri one so people get accused of hating women.
Honestly a lot of yuri fans will never admit this because they like to pretend it's mostly read by women but the reason it's acceptable to shit on yaoi but not yuri is because yuri is generally considered to be for men and the only people who are allowed to shit on yuri are other men (I think the yuricuck meme is pretty stupid).
No.7469
>>7462I find the back and forth about whether yuri is more popular than yaoi to be hilarious. They constantly complain about how yuri doesn't get enough attention and then turn around and say shit like this.
No.7470
>>7468Yeah and part if is also the close association of women = sexuality that even women propagate. One of the most common ways to shit on yaoi is to make fun of the men for "acting like women" even if they don't. Because emotions are female and loving another man means that one of them will let himself be dominated by another man which is dishonorable.
Tangentially related but there is a discussion on Japanese twitter right now because a company made a (well-animated) add in which a woman is blushing like crazy and tearing up eating cup-noodles and some have pointed out how nobody would ever do this with a male character. Because constant blushing is closely associated with sexuality and women have to act all sensual with everything they do because they're sexual people.
You see this in coomer manga too when the female characters are constantly blushing but never the males. And then you have those fake fujos that turn men to women when they draw porn because their coomer brain cannot grasp that men can be sexual too. Because of this yuri and het are the standard because they involve women, whereas yaoi is ridiculous since men aren't into sex and emotions, lol.
No.7471
>>7467I feel like yuri fans get away with casually insulting fujos and yaoi (I swear I can think of dozens of instances of this happening throughout this past year, and everytime fujos are just told to shut up and take it) because faux radical feminism is trendy, and according to them liking BL means you're male-centered and anti-woman… Which is funny to me considering pretty much all of my RL friends are women and I'm not interested in pursuing men romantically, very male-centered of me indeed. Pretty sure most of these people just want an excuse to hate on yaoi and fujos, much like tumblr TIFs back during the late 2010's used the muh fetishization argument to instantly shut fujos down and make themselves out to be morally superior. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>7468>Alien StageDon't forget the time yuritards started accusing the lesbian creator's GF and co-creator of the project qmeng of corrupting vivinos' vision with filthy yaoi, acting like the evil fujo GF forced the inclusion of ivantill in the series. Like
>>7464 said, they'd shit on real life women including lesbians for the sake of their precious pixel sapphics. I recall an anon on here a long time ago said something along the lines of "a lot of fandom zoomers swallowed the pinkpill in the most retarded way possible" and if that ain't the truth.
No.7472
>>7456The first screenshot is funny, actual male otaku including the ones into yuri would never be in denial that yaoi is very popular among its fans, unlike these tourists.
No.7473
>>7470>Tangentially related but there is a discussion on Japanese twitter right now because a company made a (well-animated) add in which a woman is blushing like crazy and tearing up eating cup-noodles and some have pointed out how nobody would ever do this with a male character. If it's what I'm thinking about I haven't watched the ad because I could already guess it would look like that, but I've seen some tweets assuming some specific parts of the ad are AI generated, with a lot of rts and likes.
No.7474
>>7470The sensual anime girl noises she makes (that I NEVER hear outside of coomer bait but would love some counter examples) combined with the shots of her mouth and the tucking her hair behind her ear makes this undeniably more lewd than the male version.
No.7481
>>7460>it feels like they're stuck in 2017That's the majority of subreddits tbh
>>7462Of course danbooru is going to have more yuri, it's not a neutral place to pick up data on this, most of the users are probably men
>I guess producers prefer yuri more as an hentai?Do they know that lesbian sex is already a popular porn genre with the general public outside of this niche?
No.7482
>>7462>bringing up danbooruEverytime. Also this makes me think the poster is a man, men are always only consult danbooru, rarely pixiv and never twitter because they don't care as much about fanworks as fujos do who follow 900 artists on twitter and draw or write themselves on top of engaging with other fans even if they have to learn a new language for this.
Danbooru only pics up the most popular fanarts, it's usually only showing like 1% of the things that exist, at least for fanart about men.
No.7483
>>7482There are plenty of female builders and contributors but actually getting to the point of being able to post without going through the queue takes time. It's good stats for a lot of general franchises with bishounen characters like Persona and Hoyoverse stuff since that actually makes it through queue and doesn't scare off male approvers, tough luck getting explicit yaoi to stay up as res though.
No.7490
>>7483Yeah but they are few compared to the men. At least for the fandoms I observe. Series can have 40k fanarts but danbooru will only have 1k at best, usually less. Dudes with less than 10k artworks will usually not have more than 100 pics at best.
I also think that one reason is respect. I scan doujinshi too but only when they aren't sold anymore. For fanart I feel fine posting it on anonymous image boards to shill the series but danbooru is a bit much. Guess even I respect the "no repost" part. Think that a temporary thread with anons is different than an upload on a booru, especially since anons usually search for the source afterwards.
On the other hand it would be good having a permanent hoster for art in case that the twitter accounts disappear one day.
No.7500
>>7490I'm sure also for the women that post there, they're probably more likely to be more into the content that's primarily already posted there
No.7510
>>7508Seen the first pic before but never realized it was that tranny comic guy who writes about lesbian penis sex all the time. "Fujoshi sister" lol, probably a dude.
No.7518
>>7508Incels etc. I noticed that it's often US Americans and certain types of Asian dudes that somehow never befriended and interacted with girls/women as kids and teens, something that is very normal in most places. If 50% of your friends are of the opposite gender it's normal to see them as individuals.
What's pretty revealing is that they attribute traits to all fujos that they clearly just know from the internet like those 4channers that always claim that ALL women loved twinks only (or/and shota) and that everybody that likes dudes that are just remotely masculine and adult like Isami or Smith or something must be gay men. I hate it.
And if it's not incel loners it's male trannies that attribute their personal (cis) taste and sexuality onto women like the TIMs that pretend every woman must love lesbian sex because he's a heterosexual dude pretending to be a woman and the fact that not all women are into women makes him insecure about his femininity.
No.7519
>>7508I hate that first screenshot, ppl used it to claim fujos are scared of golden kamuy which is a series where most of the homo fanart and doujin is by fujos who like muscular men lol (it was listed as 80% female fans in that one survey thing)
No.7521
>>7508i honestly dont like bara, hairy men, men with too much muscles, men that are chubby/with chubby faces etc. and i dont think its a problem. i dont feel embarrassed or called out with posts like these even though they are meant to cause that effect.
im proudly a fujo into men and ships with pretty/handsome, conventionally attractive features only. men have unrealistic standards for women and its just the norm, but god forbid women being only into a specific, ideal aesthetic lol
No.7523
>>7508Hear me out when I say this, bears usually have the average international father build. I don't think fujos are attracted to their father, unlike the average homosexual.
No.7524
>>7519Yeah it's pretty obvious from the art and doujinshi (and GK has around 9000 doujinshi)that the artists are women. This is why it annoys me as well when someone calls me a gay man again because I am not into traps (literally only men like traps AFAIK) or twinks with tube-shaped body.
It's mostly men that claim this though and I suspect that some of it is coping because they are skinny fat and feel double insecure if women like men with handsome masculine faces AND muscles since they have neither.
No.7525
>>7508At this point I'm just tired of people who aren't fujos trying to psychoanalyze fujos. Either ask us why we like BL directly or shut the fuck up. Chances are most fujos will give different reasons for why they engage with BL too. This "ACKHTUALLY women like BL because they secretly view the characters as women" is such an insane theory yet it seems to pop up a lot in these discussions (and also reminds me of "all women are secretly a little bit bi!!"). Feels like a weird TIM cope.
No.7526
>>7524>(literally only men like traps AFAIK)I'm into them and I follow an artist called Gomicake who I assume is not a troon cause there's no trans flag to be seen in her bio but we are definitely in the minority, there's no denying that.
No.7527
>>7526Yeah I admit there are some traps that aren't bad, it's mostly how male artist present them.
The crossdresser from Gatchaman Crowds (I think he counts as trap) for example was a well-written character and even Alfonso who has one of the most annoying crowds of male fans isn't nearly as traplike and certainly not as horny as they draw him. His canon personality is pretty boyish IMO.
What's unsalvable are traps like the one from Stein;Gate that are written as devote housewives with a penis lel
No.7529
>>7518>4channers that always claim that ALL women loved twinks only (or/and shota) and that everybody that likes dudes that are just remotely masculine and adult like Isami or Smith or something must be gay men. I hate it. Is this true? Weren't some channers claiming real women like big muscular men actually and not twinks? Now suddenly it's femboys and shotas now? can moids make up their fucking minds already? that last comment(
>>7508) which claimed all women liked the same type of man is pretty bad too but it's at least more sound than whatever moids and troons like to cook up.
No.7530
>>7529I only see it the other way around. In most threads I am in there is at least one dude pretending that women only liked twinks or that horny solo-shota porn that is IMO obviously drawn by male hands was for fujos.
It's especially weird when you have male anons that are into "girls with penises" like that boy with fat hips a few seasons ago and boast about being super gay but then you post anything fujo with actual dudes (not even bara, just handsome dudes with beard or something) and they're disgusted because that's the "bad" gay. It makes me again believe that the people posting this are trannies. Normal men are aware that women are into and marry all kinds of men in real life, so none of them would believe that there was one single standard. Those beliefs can only come from hikkikomori that only know women from harem series or insecure trannies.
No.7532
>>7508>>7508What the FUCK does some random straight or bi woman traveling to look for a cute Korean boyfriend irl have to do with shipping gay fictional pairings? All these screenshots are retarded.
Good luck to this young lady though and shout out to the Korean women in the quotes of the original tweet shitting on Korean men kek. No.7533
>>7532Fujos live rent free in their minds like a shitty ear worm. You could talking about makeup and some Antifujo make all about filthy "rotten girls" ruining everything.
Based Korean stacies No.7535
>>7471Also these extremely online yuri fans ALWAYS hate butch x butch because they're "men" in their eyes. Even butch x femme gets branded as "hetero-coded", so the only acceptable couple type is two girly femmes or two sexy femmes, or a sexy mature femme strapping a girly femme who's totally not their self insert.
No.7536
>>7532Yeah this is another thing annoys me about it. It has nothing to do with fujos but it's used as excuse to shit on fujos. It actually motivates me even more to draw more fujo shit!
No.7537
>>7525The part that makes me laugh is that on /a/ especially the Woman Experts who declare women only like pretty boy twinks almost always appear when someone says 'I'm a woman and I like…' It's like a magic summoning device, they can't resist arguing with an actual woman and telling her what she really likes.
>>7529There's a guy recently who keeps making threads about how gay anime fans are being treated well by shows right now. It's been stirring up more arguing than the /vp/ style image dumping he wants, partly because he's so insistent that Bravern is only popular because of gay men. Then on the other side of the board there's Eunuch of Empire threads where the shitposters keep arguing that only women can enjoy the tits and ass of the harem because the protagonist has no balls, he's a shota so the manga must be for women!
I've long discussed and shared the highlights of these takes with a friend of mine. We play a game of 'what do women want this time', coupled with 'do women have emotional intelligence or not'. Every week you'll see them switch sides, women are cold unfeeling monsters who do nothing but cheat and manipulate, they only want rapechad who is tall and big and dominant! Women can't get off to porn without emotions, they aren't truly capable of sexual appreciation only irrational hysteric feelings, they only want delicate men who are equivalent to unthreatening women because they can't handle a real man!!1 Honestly we should have made a bingo chart years ago.
No.7540
>>7535Most roundabout way of justifying pornified lesbians kek but make it woke and progressive.
No.7541
>>7537>The part that makes me laugh is that on /a/ especially the Woman Experts who declare women only like pretty boy twinks almost always appear when someone says 'I'm a woman and I like…' Yeah it's a coping mechanism IMO. They want to believe that women unanimously only liked the super pretty dudes that are also assholes so that they have a reason for why no real women wants to have sex with them. They are just into evil 10/10 so a normal man has no chance.
In reality and even in fujo spaces though you see women being into personality and dynamics first and foremost. A lot of popular fujo or husbando characters aren't particularly pretty, some are even odd-looking or ill-looking like L, Tsukishima, the dudes from Mouthwashing or Disco Elysium, or they were masks or have thug designs like Polnareff and other Jojo dudes (on top of being super muscular).
But accepting this reality would mean that the real reason for why women ignore these people is most likely their personality and behavior and that would be bad. It's easier to keep the "women only like guys who are asshole super models" narrative alive.
No.7542
>>7540>>7535Do the self-acclaimed wokes ever bring "fetishized" lesbians up when they do this? Because I never saw it. Allegedly m/m is only allowed if you are a gay man yourself and only if the gays are ugly calarts men but on yuri they apply the exact opposite rules
No.7543
>>7541Some of the guys I like would have men wracking their heads over why kek. They're even that weird, just a few unconventional things. Like, I'm a huge design, dynamics, and context fan. If one of these are bad the whole ship topples over.
And the men listed are at least presentable. What does some moid with a shitty sense of style offer that 2d ones can't do?
>>7542Only for content they don't like and it's weirdly the ones made by actual lesbian and bi women. The transbians can write all the puppy girl bdsm slop they want. But the moment a actual women writes lesbians as grounded and normal people with dare I say sloppy sex suddenly she's a filthy whore?
No.7544
>>7526I feel like trap art for men tend to be completely indistinguishable from female characters while traps for women are more likely to have tells that its a male body.
No.7545
>>7525>"ACKHTUALLY women like BL because they secretly view the characters as women" is such an insane theory yet it seems to pop up a lot in these discussionsI mean… this feels at least partly true for the selfinserting aiden type of fujo. But honestly most transbenders feel like closet hetfags/yume more than actual fujos.
There's also some lesbian fujos who find certain 2d anime men attractive because they're 2d and could pass as butch women if you swapped the pronouns out, but that's not really the same as actually seeing the characters as women.
No.7547
>>7545Self-inserting aidens occupy their own separate space in my mind tbh. They project a lot and all of their fandom contributions are so painfully OOC that you can spot them from a mile away, I can usually clock them as failed yumes pretty quickly. Though I guess I can see why someone who's only ever encountered those types could come to the conclusion that fujos project themselves onto their favs. Still, I feel like you'd have to have a very limited or skewed perspective to come to the conclusion that most fujos consider their favs women. Like I'm pretty sure the multiple fujos into very obviously masculine guys aren't viewing them as women unless they're projecting aidens. It feels like the kind of idea you'd develop if you only knew fujos from fandoms where all the characters are high school aged bishies.
No.7548
>>7547>It feels like the kind of idea you'd develop if you only knew fujos from fandoms where all the characters are high school aged bishies.This is the problem AFAIK. Many come from such fandoms because they're usually the ones teens latch on to which worsens the issue, since most fans are teens, who are more prone to be influenced by social media and the trans hype.
I don't think I have ever met a cuntboy artist online who was older than 20.
No.7549
>>7525>"ACKHTUALLY women like BL because they secretly view the characters as women" I've never seen this talking point in application to both characters until recently and I don't get how it spawned. The "uke = pseudowomen" is understandable when you're looking at old or very stereotypical BL dynamics, but not really both. I've only seen it brought up in context of people trying to prove their fujoism is feminist and lesbian as fuck or whatever. I don't even think anyone believes this (even by those who parrot it themselves) unless you're the type to ship "yuribl" or two androgynous guys together, it's just an adhoc argument.
No.7552
>>7545Aidens are the worst of both fujos and yumes. I'm attracted to seeing a male bottom. All of my favorites bottom. I don't want to see bara hairy roid pigs, but the whole uke = woman point confuses me. My pairings don't feature traps but obviously male characters. Lots of my pairings are from very non-BL works too, it's not like they were ever meant to be pseudo-women to be projected onto.
Also cuntboy sucks imo and should be its own thing
No.7553
>>7552It also annoys me how they reduce gender to a few stereotypes. Like just having a masculine woman or tomboy or a man who is elegant MUST mean they're trans. Fuck misgendering, unironically. The people that pretend to hate it misgender non-stop, it's unironically offensive.
No.7555
>>7552Since you posted Zelos, I really love Zelos.
He's visually very girly. Long hair, pink and is very cute at a glance. But his character is so rich in trauma and shipping fuel he's been at the top of my tales of shipping charts since I played. Symphonia OVA really made him shine in the fight between he and Regal. And I know if the game was released within the last 4 years as a new title, he'd be transwashed the most.
No.7556
>>7555NTAYRT but I also love Zelos, he's probably one of my favourite characters ever. His character is so well written and I seriously hate how the fandom flanderized him into just a dumb playboy when he's drenched in tragedy and trauma.
No.7561
>>7553I stg these people overanalyze gender more than people from the 50's.
>this physically weak male character is TRANS and ill say he needs to get pregnant 200x a week while suggesting he's very submissive, GET IT? isn't that so gender?!it's not that deep stfu aiden
>>7555AYRT symphonia is such a comfy game with a rich world and characters. I'm very glad I played it. Zelos was so funny and well-written and made me smile throughout my playthrough. I also loved Lloyd and Genius and Colette and Rain and entire cast really. The aesthetics and character designs were on-point.