/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>6468
Homophobia mixed with misogyny.

>>6468
Most men who hate on yaoi just outright call it disgusting and degenerate for being gay.

However the people going on moral crusades against yaoi are woke fandom women… going after other women. Wokies can't go after men into lesbian porn because men will hold their ground, laugh, and tell antis to fuck off. Also woke fandom retards aren't hanging out in male social circles. However they CAN guilt trip and dogpile fujoshis. Policing other people online is a power trip and fujos are acceptable targets for fetishizing uwu mlm.

Lesbian obsessed troons are disgusted by BL, so they will pretend that their hatred is because fujoshis are misogynistic for not making yuri schoolgirl content for them. Also a lot of yuri fans just want to shit on yaoi and act morally superior for liking yuri… instead of just liking yuri.

I love how antifujos can scream about terfy fujoshis make them feel unsafe but then admit to their own degeneracy. By the way, this said user claims Uranus and Neptune did nothing for them but a manga made by a men so totes validated their lesbianism.

>>6264
Fujoshi will see the most basic shonen hetshit full of fanservice of women and still hyperfocus on the one BL element in the series and create tons of fanfic and art about them, even while the majority male audience seethes about it. Yurifags can get a series catering mostly to them and would rather complain and cry misogyny about the small amount of fujo in their fanbase instead of just writing and drawing the girls. At some point thats on them.

>>6477
I am still convinced that the reason for why I never got any hate in woke-dominated fandoms in all those years, despite drawing enemy ships punching each other sexually and single characters the majority considers politically offensive, is because the fandom assumes I am male. I will certainly not go out of my way to tell them I am not. Instead, I posted photos of my spiked mace, gun and katana (because I recently got the latter and wanted to show it to those interested), probably further convincing them of their belief.
I know for certain that a bunch of them assume an artist friend to be male too based on the types of men she (and I) are into and drawing and the lack of text-posts we make. I am sure that none of these people ever attack men.

The biggest shitstorms I see happening in my own fandoms are tranny A with cutesy art style and pastel colors fighting tranny B with cutesy art style and pastel colors. The drama can stay there.

>>6457
Happy that yaoi gets so much more but these posts are always so damn stupid. The majority will always prefer liking over retweeting. Likes are private, retweets get you the politics onto your timeline, probably causing drama or simply not belonging to the kind of account you want to have. So whenever someone makes one of those dumb like=x, RT=y it's fucking obvious that y will have ten times the numbers.

It makes me wonder if the person that posted this is stupid. I thought it was a yaoi fan for obvious reasons, but seems like that's not the case. Then they are just stupid for thinking that anything will ever get more RTs than likes.
>>6479
The lack of fanart is the biggest proof I need to know that the majority of "lesbian" yuri fans are actually men pretending to be women. Madoka had a gorillion fanarts, because a huge part of the fanbase are women. If you don't get yuri fanart of your favorite yuri show it means that women aren't watching it lol

>>6480
Saving this idea for the future.
>despite drawing enemy ships punching each other sexually and single characters the majority considers politically offensive
based
>>6481
>The lack of fanart is the biggest proof I need to know that the majority of "lesbian" yuri fans are actually men pretending to be women.
why are men allergic to drawing fanart that isn't porn? women really are the creative ones in fandom

>>6482
>why are men allergic to drawing fanart that isn't porn?
I think it's about upbringing or simply the inability to get obsessed with characters and dynamics the way women do.

I know a guy who isn't interested in porn like that, his desire is to draw his own comics which mainly feature male characters, so he tried to learn to draw for many years. But in the end he isn't interested in the process of drawing and creating itself, he just wants validation and a comic that gets attention. There is probably even the desire to fight his own insecurities too, by creating something others get into.
It won't surprise you when I tell you that he never learned it. He tries for a few weeks by reading drawing books and then always loses the motivation before he even finishes two sketches.

Meanwhile, a 42yo female friend of mine learned to draw with 40 out of a inherent desire to give the characters and ideas she has a shape. Her fandoms had almost 0 artists, so she basically drew for herself, spends 10h a day drawing/painting and she sits on a single fic for weeks or months till she considers it perfect, even if there are less than 10 people reading.

This is the central difference. Passion and interest. Some men can do it otherwise there wouldn't be any male mangaka (for non-porn shit), but the majority simply doesn't like characters enough to be obsessed enough to draw. The fanatic waifu fags never really care about the waifu as a person or her relationships and story, just a desire to fuck or marry her. They don't even any headcanons besides her becoming a tradwaifu if she married them.

>42yo female friend of mine learned to draw with 40
she sounds based as fuck, i love her. did i understand correctly that she learned how to draw at 40 years old?

>>6485
Yes! She was always very active in fandoms and passionate, but she only wrote fics. At one point she got into a fandom with almost no fanart (Darksiders), especially no gay fanart so she said "Gonna do it myself then". I was genuinely surprised how fast she improved. This was the ultimate proof to me that it's all about practice and the will to draw and get better. You have to draw a lot, you have to enjoy and you have to get out of the comfort zone and draw something you didn't do before and you will collect a lot of EXP in a short time.

I thought that her new avatar was official fanart at first but no, it's her own art as well. It seems like nothing can stop her anymore.

>>6457
They got upset over it

>>6511
why are they using strawpage to write and screencap this just to upload it on twitter? I swear it's the mark of someone under 20. I checked and the first user is 15.

Anyway love the replies pointing out the views count tells you how many voted for yaoi. Currently at 153,100.

>>6484
I know women who pretty much only draw nsfw fanart but yeah obviously in different ways, I mean bl is the biggest example of that.
I do dislike tumblry fanarts or overly fluff art that is usually made by tifs or gendie women, it just feels too ooc for the characters.

Anyone have any classic
>THIS CHARACTER IS NOT FUCKING GAY
rants
The Kawoshin ones of those were always the funniest.

>>6545
Have these people ever heard of the concept of bisexuality?
That aside it usually doesn't happen to my characters but it's crazy when people claim that someone was het so adamantly and acting as if the shit they say was based on evidence when there are zero hints in the series itself that imply that the character is het.

Like you have some guy or two that only ever talk to men, always hang out with each other and are visibly disinterested when there is a sexy girl scene happening right before their eyes while all other men are blushing and someone (probably on tumblr) will post their discourse in which they get mad at fans calling them gay. I swear if Bravern was mainstream you would see shit like this even for that series.

I believe that 100% of these posts either come from insecure men or yume that try to make their crack het or OC ship valid.

>>6555
>I swear if Bravern was mainstream you would see shit like this even for that series.
To be fair when it was airing /a/ was saying it was gonna go lolicon route kek
>I believe that 100% of these posts either come from insecure men
Since it’s from Reddit in this case it’s 100% an insecure moid.

>>6545
Gotta love that implication that being a badass means he can't not be straight. Because as everyone knows, homosexuality prevents badassery.

>>6558
I am not someone that condemns female fanservice but I still think that one scene in ep. 3 was absolutely unnecessary and even weirder in hindsight. It's just a joke but still. I feel like this about a lot of shows.
>Since it’s from Reddit in this case it’s 100% an insecure moid.
What's with reddit and men anyway? Even the oldfag 4channers I know switched to reddit. I swear 4chan has more women than men by now. I have no proof of this besides the gut feeling I have reading posts. I don't know how many man are hanging around in isekai threads because I don't read/watch them, but almost every series I discuss on /a/ has like one coomer that spams a bunch of loli/waifu screenshots, manga crops or fanarts, two neutral male anons that only speculate about the plot and everybody else sounds like a fujo or lesbian, even if it's seinen or shounen.

Maybe the nonnas that are into Re:Zero can say something about its threads. But besides Dragon Ball discussions maybe every thread feels like the way I described it above.

i got called insensitive by a scrote because i ship two guys and he said im hurting real men and preventing them from having friends because everyone will think theyre gay

>>6565
Tell him that being an insecure shit that obsesses about what others think is the opposite of masculinity. And he will die lonely.
That aside. The manliest man in the universe would fuck someone like He-Man because hes so top he tops everybody. Being afraid of men only means he's scared.

Before the world war it was even still common for (non-gay) male friends in my country to casually hold hands. I have even seen it in Iran and doubt that those were all gays. I also notice immigrants sometimes being more lenient with that. They casually lean onto each other in parks and hell, this looks het but same thing: I sleep in the same bed with my best male friend when we travel. We aren't into each other (even though he's het), no sexual shit. Just friendship and us being too stingy to rent apartments with multiple rooms just for an extra bed. That makes me manlier than him lol

Funny and related: a catholic guy I know doesn't even dare to go to the cinema with male friends to watch action movies because someone might think they were gay. All of my kek. I mention the religion because he was actually normal in the past but now he considers breathing itself homosexual. I actually file this under paranoia.

>>6565
feels like male suicide rates hurt real men more than anime boys taking it in the ass

>Maybe the nonnas that are into Re:Zero can say something about its threads.
Basically the same but the coomers are batshit and spam 90% of the thread, the waifu wars between Rem and Emilia are ridiculous.
They do think Subaru is a fruit but they don't give a shit and just spam their girl to win. There's also autists that hate the show and go to any thread that mentions it to spam how much it sucks.
When you're lucky enough to get good lore talk though it can be pretty fun.

>>6565
Was it a real scrote or a TIF?s Because the language sounds like something an aiden would say

>>6572
NTA but I have heard this same reasoning come only from real cis men that I've met IRL. Literally whining about fujos oppressing them because they're "sexualizing their friendship" which to me really tells more about their own homophobia.

>>6560
It's true, the second you show attraction to another man you're a pillow humping pussy.
>>6564
>I swear 4chan has more women than men by now.
Only possibly true on /co/, /cgl/ used to be majority women but now only men and troons into costhots use it.

>>6574
Why /co/? Like I'm sorry but none of the co men look hot to me unless it's comic related.

>>6576
It’s from stuff like Voltron, Eltingville and south park

>>6576
I am pretty sure half of the Transformer fans are women but you are right, it's mostly comics and a few anime adjacent cartoons. Most cartoon styles are way too abstract and geometric or blobby to me to be attracted to anybody. I often feel like they even make the characters ugly on purpose so imagine my reaction everytime I see fans fawning over canon lesbians that are literally just like 8 year old looking kids with spaghetti legs and arms and frog eyes.

I hate it when representation has to be tied to ugliness. And this is coming from someone who loves so-called "ugly" characters like the antagonists from Fukumoto series or dudes like Cyclonus and Tsukishima. But I think there are different types of odd looks. A character doesn't have to be conventionally attractive to be hot. The problem is that cartoon characters aren't hot. They are like blobs, are (or look like) 10 or have the family guy or RaM art style that are just atrocious on principle IMO (even though it works for the type of comedies they are).

men cry about the sacredness of male friendship like they're hot enough to be the objects of my fujo fantasies lol

>>6565
Just ask them why they're bothered by being "mistaken" for gay, they're homophobes trying to use progressive language to bully women.

>>6571
Thank you for your answer!
I feel like this stuff has gotten so much worse these days. Or for a while, that is. I feel like we don't even have many coomers on /a/ but the few that are there go on a crusade for it.
Like there is this annoying bikini shizo that you probably know (goes into every thread with 1+ female character to post a rant about the lack of pantsu fanservice in the show and considers it a sign for the end of anime and democracy), a loli obsessed faggot (same as bikini shizo, but with lolis and feminine shota), the anti-yaoi shizo that might appear in every BL adjacent anime thread if said anime was mentioned in the homo thread, the two(?) legit mentally ill yuri shippers that single-handedly render every discussion of any yuri related series impossible (most likely trannies, since they are genuinely afraid of male characters) etc.

Help ! Fujos might take over my fandom!

>>6622
If these people had half a braincell they'd the be ones making content for them. But since most of every piece of media panders to yumes and himes, they never had to work for nearly as much as fujos do. They should be grateful their slop is able to get funding since they sure as hell won't do it themselves.

>>6622
Man, I hate how literally [existing] as fujo makes everybody seethe. People can shit on Hazbin/HB, Witch Hat Atelier and Vinland Saga how much they want, I will always respect the first series for being unrepentant self-indulging gay fanfics and the latter two for having creators that are happy when they see fujos loving their series and drawing instead of throwing a tantrum because gay men make them insecure. Didn't even one of the Arcane directors go to twitter to bitch about Jayvik?

All we do is to exist in our tiny, separate spaces and feeding ourselves and for some reason that still makes the rest of the world chimp out because they demand free fanart and control over the feelings of the female audience instead of telling their own people to move their ass and draw themselves.

Thank you Bijou

had a fudanshi fag(not even a tranny!!) on my fyp who said he hates "female bl fans" cuz they always sexualise everything
all these woke mfs trying to be inclusive but oh how dare women get off

>>6662
I believe that the core of all homophobia among men comes from the utter fear and anxiousness of being sexualised and that fear is doubled if women engage in it. And with sexualisation I don't just mean the obvious shit but even the "emotionalisation" of male characters. The act of making them being into each other, necessarily turning a man into a potential receiving part of sexual love.

The more a man sexualises female characters even the more scared they are of homos and women that imagine characters as homos.

It's funny how many instances there are where gay shippers trigger the creator of fiction. Media is flooded with all kinds of sexualisation of women (including that of little girls) but that's okay. Rape, pedophilia and sexual objectification is all fine, but we draw the line where implied homosexuality begins, because that's either disgusting or the fandom surrounding it is.

Imagine our world if people would care just half as much about pedo mangaka and sexualized abuse in live action as they do about mutual gay lovers and their few fans.

>>6662
How dare these fans of homoerotic comic books sexualise the homoerotic comic book characters.

First thing I saw when I went to twt. I'm so happy that more girls are standing up for themselves nowadays and not bullied out of liking bl like most were (including myself). Anti fujo logic has been proven to be absolutely idiotic.

What's up with males trying to make themselves look like victims of the world nowadays?

>>6827
>you love oppressing men?
Jesus, that comment. I wish that yaoi had the power to actually do that, the world would be a better place.

>>6827
I expected this to be some handmaiden but that icon is undeniably male. Pathetic.

I never see male fans whine that waifufags aren't inclusive enough or analyzing male characters kek

>>6837
Those takes are an example of why simplification ignores complex causes.

First of all, besides some very rare exception the "people" that make up headcanons to begin with are women, not men. Most women are het, so they are attracted to or fascinated by male characters which is why they make stuff up about them and not the female characters.
So that question should be directed to men. But they either don't immerse enough into fiction to care or they are coomers that want porn and don't ponder about personality. Not fujo fault.

Further, in the defense of all men and women:
most female characters are written like shit and actually AREN'T more than fanservice. This also includes most feMCs of tryhard "girlboss" movies that try to be super woke. In the end those women aren't characters, they're political stances. Unlike the men.

Because men are written as individuals and way more varied. A single story can often contain 20 and more completely different types of men ranging from a psychotic serial killer over an authoritarian rich guy, a scary looking nice guy, a sophisticated middle aged gentleman up to a drag and/or a hobo.

Tell me a story that features this variety with women.
Fictional women can usually be categorized into like five types and all of them are inherently linked to gender, unlike men. A "hobo" or "dictator" role isn't per se gendered. "Femme fatale", "hysteric mother" or "obedient tradwife" is.
So you can't blame the audience for assuming that a character that was solely written to be "the waifu" or "the stonk woman (insert misunderstood trope about feminism)" is just that, because they usually are. It's the framing. Even if they weren't the priming is so strong that most will assume that they were unless the story is showing actual proof for the opposite.

And for the rest you have to call out the men as well as the women that adapted their popcultural coomer mindset and think they're cool for screaming "GIRLBOSS" and "MOM FRIEND". Not the fault of fujos.

>>6837
It's funny because the people who complain about this shit NEVER use that energy to write about the female characters themselves. Ever. You don't see them putting in the effort to analyze a female character and her motivations in-depth, it's just a very thinly veiled NLOG temper tantrum. They will rather write a thousand wall of text posts about how other women are dumb and misogynistic for not producing circlejerking essays about their waifu but will never set an example because they know the subject matter is always slop with barely any depth given to the female characters besides, let's be honest, being there as the boring "mom friend" and at least the male ships have the exciting yaoi thing going on for them.

>>6839
And then when you ask for examples of complex and individual female characters with actual motivation they suddenly can't come up with any because they know it's a flaw within the industry enabling just a couple of empty archetypes rather than within the viewers' behavior.

>>6837
To a surprise to no one at least two of the posters from the screenshots are trannies. Both TIFs. rnorningstars seems to have deactivated their account but I would be baffled it was any different.
>>6840
>NEVER use that energy to write about the female characters themselves
I sometimes check and you are right, never seen it either. Hell they're usually the types that are active in fujo spaces themselves but bitching about fujos. Same with antis, who always talk about problematic ships and then you go to their profile and see that they are shipping the most fucked up shit.
It's all performative. I never see the "LESBIANS!!!" brigade ever creating content for GWitch either that they hail as the best anime ever made. They continue to fap to hardcore yaoi.
>when you ask for examples of complex and individual female characters with actual motivation they suddenly can't come up with any
Yeah. Recently someone brought up a manga girl because she's canonically super strong. But how is that framed? Right. She always blushes near the MC, has no own agenda besides loving MC and told him she wants to bear his children. All while the MC stays super cool because he's a self-insert that wants lovesick girls to orbit him for no reason.

But even IF you ignored the fanservice shit you can tell the intention behind her existence regardless. One hint for that is that she always smiles and acts super nice when she fights in war. Why is that? To signalize the male audience that they can be sure she is totally a super nice and nurturing girl despite being strong. It's sending a signal "don't be afraid, she really is just a strong devoted tradwaifu who is only strong for (you) whom she wants to marry".
The framing is obvious no matter how hard waifu fags try to deny it.

>>6837
Katara is the worst example they could have picked, she's a well-loved character with tons of fic about her and all you have to do is click on someone's rant about what they did to her characterization in Netflix ATLA to find endless essays about her personality. Hell, every ATLA woman is well-loved and has tons of fans. Guess what, when your women are written better than your average shonen girl, they'll have a large fandom.
I'm someone who regularly gets attached to minor characters with little screentime and it happens for male and female characters. But nothing kills my interest in a female character faster than her becoming somebody's love interest in 99% of cases. If my interest is gone, then I'm not going to create something from nothing just because I enjoyed a character design that much. I'd rather just create some OCs and write my own story.
This kind of whining is always code for 'some people are shipping this girl's canon or noncanon man with another guy instead of her so I'm going to call it biphobia or misogyny' anyway.
Also, a lot of the time when some minor dude has ton of fanon invented about him it's because people want to ship him with a specific other guy. When minor ladies get paired up it's usually because she looked at a guy once so she must be his canon waifu. Even when I like a particular girl I may not find another girl that's shippable with her.

A good example of how an initially interesting female character can quickly become boring is Hiyori from Noragami, although she's the protagonist. She's introduced with nerdy interests that she has to hide from her family and a wrestling husbando, then the second she meets the main guy, her interests and family conflict almost never appear again, and as soon as she tries to fight they make up an excuse for why it's too dangerous, so she quickly stops having anything interesting to do. She isn't as badly written as most shonen heroines but I have to wonder if some editor meddling was involved in that, because all the other women in the series are much better than her.

>>6843
>A good example of how an initially interesting female character can quickly become boring is Hiyori from Noragami
One of the best examples of an aggressively shitty degeneration of a former good female character in that regard is Zero Two from FranXX.

She's introduced as a semi-antagonist with deep inner struggles, who feels alienated by humans and is skeptical of many of them while simultaneously doubting herself for being born as a monster that many humans resent and she has a wild attitude, eats with her hands for lacking socialisation and so on.
But then she falls in love with the MC and ALL of her scenes are just her smiling and shouting "DAARLING" at any given time.

She's by no way an exception but a good example that most modern anime fans might be familiar with. You usually don't see the same happening for the male characters, because it's series that are written for otaku so it's the woman that loses all of her former traits to be just "the waifu" because the target audience allegedly likes that.

>>6844
It's not like interesting men are never ruined by a romantic plot, either. Any character with motivations teased as complex, but especially villains or antiheroes, almost always fall flat when it turns out they're doing everything because of their dead love interest.
And for fujos, if your ship is nuked irreparably by het then you'll probably cut your losses and move on.
I've never seen FranXX but that's definitely a waste of a good design.

>>6845
Yeah this is why I usually prefer non-canon yaoi and rather have pandering and hinting. Most people are not only bad at writing romance, the romance will almost always turn into the central aspect of the characters in love and turn them to shit. Especially if they act all lovey dovey afterwards and forget all of their earlier motivations.

>>6837
There are fans who love analyzing interesting female characters and those who love 'evil' or not morally perfect female characters that are there to babysit the boys like 999% of the time.
The thing is fandom is inherently selfish, so if there is a female character that is romantically paired with boy mc she will be self inserted as, and treated as perfect.
Notice this never happens in fandoms where there is no romance or shipping at all.