/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>8596
>>8603
To me, yuri gets a lot more bait and maybe more canon content but most fans are men, so there aren't a lot of fans who make their own creative content around yuri. I associate yuri fandom more with male Redditors making yuri memes on Reddit. You also have fandom women performatively shilling yuri and whining about nobody caring. "Step on me mommy!!", "yuri is wholesome / sophisticated while yaoi is cringe", "why no yuri on ao3?!" etc.

Meanwhile yaoi feels more like a subgenre unintegrated with mainstream non-explicitly BL content (key difference with yuri) because male fans outright hate male homosexuality and pretty boys. Women write and draw and breathe life into fandom. Fujos are used to creating our own content so there's a mountain of fanworks. There's natural passion and popularity around yaoi with female fans. I really think most male yuri fans don't give a single fuck about fics or in-depth character dynamics and are just used to consuming VNs that cater to them. But then again you see tons of f/f Love Live and similar IP fanart so who knows? (Even that seems more character / waifu-focused than pairing-focused to me most of the time.) Also yurifans who whine about yaoi seem very numbers and canon obsessed for no reason. Feels like actually just comparing male fandom to female fandom, like observing VTuber fans or something.

>>8607
I read this as yuriturds

>>8597
If I've learnt anything from my time in the hoyo fandom just playing things with a cast majorly female dominant is not enough for these greedy fuckers. They're just too lazy to make anything themselves.

A thing I remember a few months ago from the hoyo fandom. HSR keeps making their male characters weak with overlapping elements. Male character fans complained and got harassed by moids and yuritards. Yurifags would call those fans misogynistic, terrible, etc. But the thing abt hoyo games is that they have a huge female cast while we get 1 or 2 male characters to obsess over each patch, It's even worse in genshin where they have had 1 male for like a year until now but even then it's only two with one being a 4 star. However there is a lot of bl works. (So much that even my own brother bitches abt it to me) The problem is always them. They want the attention bl fans have and receive from each other without ever participating themselves.

To make it worse I’ve seen some complain that fujo’s ‘get the good art’. It's crazy how they insult the yuri artist who are still developing their skills.

>>8603
This just isn't true lol. Yuri is the most tolerated form of lgbt content. There are a few series that have yuri or heavily implied. There is always Magica Madoka, Sailor moon, and psycho-pass recent popular and mainstream shows Like Lycoris Recoil, Gundam witch, the new Gundam GQuuuuuuX will probably have yuri. There is the rhythm game dj4d which released a canon couple also. I can only think of a few (old) shows with heavily implied yaoi ships.

>>8612
>This just isn't true lol. Yuri is the most tolerated form of lgbt content. There are a few series that have yuri or heavily implied. There is always Magica Madoka, Sailor moon, and psycho-pass recent popular and mainstream shows Like Lycoris Recoil, Gundam witch, the new Gundam GQuuuuuuX will probably have yuri. There is the rhythm game dj4d which released a canon couple also. I can only think of a few (old) shows with heavily implied yaoi ships.

Echoing the sentiment of others that it depends on if we're talking fandom vs canon. Canonwise it's true and yuribait cgdct shows are such a large part of anime, but in terms of fandom F/F almost never tops a fandom list.
Also
>GQuuuuuuX
>Yuri
LOL

>>8613
>GQuuuuuuX
>Yuri
Bta but it's pretty much just the genderbent version of the type of love triangle Gundam is used to. If it's too straight to be yuri then it just goes to show how different the standards are.

>>8613
>Echoing the sentiment of others that it depends on if we're talking fandom vs canon.

I don't think it matters if it's canon vs. fanon because I see yurifags grouping all of it together.

>but in terms of fandom F/F almost never tops a fandom list.

I agree. This was another point that I wanted to make by saying the last part. Yurifags get so much to work with and yet they do NOTHING with it. Only complain about fujo's creations and community.

>GQuuuuuuX
>Yuri
I'm not into Gundam so when I saw GQuuuuuuX had I assumed they were making another canon gl couple after the high of gundam witch.

>>8612
I know some people who are into hoyo games and latch on to certain males but it makes sense to hear they're essentially going for crumbs cause that's already the vibe I'd been getting from these games as an outsider. Reminds me of when I played Fate/grand order and I also just tolerated the fact I was a second class citizen.

All this yuri talk makes me remember the period of time in which a Seven Seas employee on /a/ was talking about the state of yuri licensing behind the scenes and why they focus more on releasing BL nowadays.
Of course, the reason given was that despite all the noise and complaining on socmed, himejoshis weren't lining up to buy yuri. And most of the time, the horny, problematic, and "male-gazey" yuri is far more successful. In fact, so long as the cover isn't too explicit, and it doesn't feature loli on the cover, seven seas can easily distribute it via a bunch of bookstores/sites and be successful.

I asked about the ratio of success between sfw vs nsfw and BL vs yuri. The employee stated that it's hard to divide BL sfw to nsfw, so he combined it and gave me such: BL is x2-3 more successful than nsfw yuri, while BL is x5-6 more successful than sfw yuri, noting "wholesome" yuri tends to be on the less successful end.
Obviously, some of the biggest yuri titles don't follow this rule and can in fact be even more successful than many BL, but the small number of titles earning that position makes licensing yuri far too risky, especially when it's sfw.

All this to say, yuri fans may talk, and may even have a more robust and modern piracy landscape, but they rarely open up their wallets to ensure the proliferation of their genre. I don't know why this is the case exactly. Sucks either way for a yuri fan like me who doesn't like to interact with himes because of all the performative bullshit and chronic need to be validated and be above fujos.

>>8612
>Yuri is the most tolerated form of lgbt content
yeah but the sentiment towards something doesn't equate with the amount of that something lol
yuri might be more well accepted because the world is straight men's, but it doesn’t have nearly as much content as BL

actually it seems to me like people who glaze yuri (and often simultaneously put down BL) are doing so ofc out of misogyny/homophobia, but also of trying to pathetically compensate for the obvious disparity in content and lively community BL gets

>>8613
Every time yurifags complain about the lack of yuri content they mean specifically the fan content, and more often than not what they REALLY mean is that they're offended by the presence of BL to begin with and want it gone.

>>8619
>>8620
Do they not realize maybe they get less "content" because they bully the shit out of yuri artists if they dare draw for other ships like bl or het? I never see fujos harass artists for drawing het or yuri but these himejoshis chase out any yuri artist as a traitor if she dares branch out and like other ships. Not to mention how there's much more antis who harass each other over age gaps in himejoshi circles on twitter.

Also if they if they have more food in anime and gacha games where all the male characters are phased out for incels, then why are they whining about not enough fanfic? Most fanfic is for non canon ships because there's not much canon BL in anything because it's more risky. No shit there's less fanfics for ships that are already canon, what story is there to tell about high school girls having their first crush when the anime already showed that?

>>8610
I don't really get why yurifags expect yuri fanworks (by women, because this is what they usually mean) to line up with BL numbers, because there are just more straight women in fandom. Even if all the lesbian/bi fujos started making only yuri, there would probably still be more BL. Every yurifag with a brain knows this and doesn't whine because it's just how things are. And like >>8611 said, male-created yuri tends to be more waifu focused (just search yuri on Pixiv and you'll find two waifus sucking the same mob dick and other stuff that's barely 'yuri')
Then there's the fact that shows with two female leads with an interesting relationship are still not common. Popular ships are usually between leads no matter the genders. I might think something like 'the MC and her best friend are cute, I ship it', but that's just casual shipping, and it's not going to drive me to make fanworks. Does Genshin have any potential F/F relationships that are even slightly as interesting as any combination of Madoka characters? It goes out of its way to make the waifus as bland as possible. Just thinking that two of the girls look hot together is usually not going to be enough fuel to make content. (Usually, because plenty of BL gets made just because of this, but again, there are more women in fandom who think men are hot, so less people are going to be drawing yuri ships based on hotness, because men are more likely to do solo lewds, mob doujin, etc)
I guess this just TL;DRs to: when there are interesting relationships between major characters, people will ship it. And for yuri, interesting relationships are probably more necessary than BL because there are less women in fandom who will ship/draw yuri just for porn.
It's pretty telling that the loudest whiners usually do have the blandest taste in yuri dynamics so they genuinely don't understand why the bland best friends aren't launching a ton of fanworks just because 'girls kissing!!' (Unironically, 'transbians' are just selfinserting and don't understand that most actual women need more than this to get invested. Only MtF I have seen who liked BL was attracted to men.)

>>8618
I was wondering why SS stopped posting so much coomer gooner yurishit on their new title posts. Makes a ton of sense that yuritards are not only entitled and passionless, but also poor. Just like trannies. They don't buy anything they claim they like and get mad when it stops selling.

Thanks anon!

> falling for TikTok ragebait
Why are all of these people so stupid? As if any real fujo would watch or read series like these and think that it needs to become yaoi.
https://x.com/cyb3rsalt/status/1919909805902193020

>>8630
Saiki K already has plenty of material for a real fujo to work with, why would you want reflavored het scraps…
They seriously couldn't think of a another yuri pairing or an otome or something? It's such lazy bait.

>>8620
Yuri is fucking everywhere, and not even just in animes or manga. Western shows and movies are FULL of lesbians. There is not one gay couple to compare to shit like bubbline/korrasami/caitvi

>>8634
Castiel is canon now…

I think children's shows are more likely to include lesbian characters for their gay rep but when I think of trashy live action TV like Gotham, Glee, Umbrella Academy, ect it's a lot of gay male side characters.

>>8635
Lesbian couples definitely dominate in comics and cartoons. Live action wise though, gay male characters were definitely more common in older ones, especially British tv shows, but recently it seems like lesbians are way more common than gay male characters. And that's not even going into trannies being relevant characters now. Like, the newer the tv show, it seems like the normal gay male characters are less and less relevant to the core cast. Also Supernatural had a relevant lesbian, Charlie, before any relevant gay man. The west is definitely lacking as of recently.

>>8633
Who would even think of BL Saiki/Teruhashi? I didn't like the ship so I can at least agree that turning it BL would improve it in my eyes, but like you said, there's so many better real ships in the series.
(And the best one is Saiki/Kusuke)

>>8645
There’s also already a superior Saiki/Teruhashi with Makoto instead of Kokomi. Similar dynamics with the added rivals to lovers.
>Saiki/Kusuke
Based. I know the new fans hate it, but it really is the best ship.

>>8650
>Makoto
I prefer him to fuck Kusuke while they both mald in frustration over not being able to fuck their imouto/otouto.
Despite how shippy Saiki is with everyone, it's hard for me to romantically ship him. He tends to be written super OOC in most BL works for some reason and I rarely find it believable. The closest he gets to acting lovestruck is Satou-kun so that's probably the easiest for me to see.

>>8650
>>8645
Saiki/Kusuke is objectively superior but Kaidou is my favorite and I just grabbed the first pic with him to make my point, please understand…
it makes me glad to see you guys immediately latched onto my post like that though, fujos are truly efficient and hardworking. It's not a masterpiece but Saiki is fun and has loads of cute m/m interactions that can easily be spun into ships.
>>8652
>Kusuke/Makoto seething substitution sex
I haven't considered this before but I now will, deeply. I think you're on to something.
imo the easiest way to inject drama into ship stuff is to have the parties figure out how to communicate, what they think of each other, etc… so Saiki is really hard to write in that context unless you nerf him or make him OOC. Plus yeah, he's so stoic normally…

>>8582
Never mind them ignoring the yaoi templates Madohomu is like, someone tell them about Link Click if they think there's no story that can ever work about two guys and homoerotic time traveling and guilt over doing something you shouldn't to save your "friend".

>>8603
yuri gets more content thanks to straight men lol if it was up to the "lesbians" creators there would like even less content, it's the truth.

>>8663
Meanwhile its the himejos who tear each other down over "problematic" ships, it's not the fujos harassing them.

>>8663
>tweeting a picture of a tweet
A real seal of quality.

It's incredibly amusing how the amount of seethe fujos evoke boils down to "stop making things I don't like" and "why aren't you making things that appeal to me?"

Whenever I see such pettiness it makes me all the more proud to be a fujo. Putting in my own hard work, seeing the hard work of others - it's truly rewarding. And the more work there is, the more seethe it generates, and the prouder I become.

>>8666
>Whenever I see such pettiness it makes me all the more proud to be a fujo. Putting in my own hard work, seeing the hard work of others - it's truly rewarding. And the more work there is, the more seethe it generates, and the prouder I become.
Same, it feels furfilling to create in itself. I never beg anyone else to make something for me regardless of popularity either, and I've been the first to draw or write for some rarepairs and fandoms.

>>8612
>>8616
>Gundam GQuuuuuuX will probably have yuri
No, it doesn't. It has hetero cuckshit. It's the perfect show to make male otaku cry and rage.

>>8663
This obsession with BL just comes across as hating women having a natural attraction to men, I could be wrong, but it feels like what they hate the most is fujos being unshamed of expressing their sexuality.
>but yumes
Their fantasies are about themselves being worshipped by some cookie cutter bishounen, but with fujos I think it's hate towards women being attracted to men imo.

>>8586
LOL I recognize this one. A bit off-topic but he made an embarrassingly ranty post about how Hayao Miyazaki is actually a fascist where the conclusion he arrived at was "being into snuff is more sane and normal than enjoying bucolic fantasies". Good to know he is retarded on top of insane.

>>8669
Women enjoying their sexuality outside of what society approves of has caused seethe throughout history, but enjoying two men fucking causes the most seethe because it filters both straight men and female hetfags, i.e the majority of people. Women get shit for being horny, but they also get shit for not being available to/wanting to have sex with men.
Female doujin artists who make straight dude-appealing stuff get worshiped by otaku while fujos get the opposite.

>>8669
i think this is true when it comes from trans 'women' (because they want to be seen as women and do le yuri), but generally i wouldn't say women are hated for being attracted to men, and this goes for fujo hate too. straight yumes would get more or equal shit if that was the case.
it's more about wanting to control women's sexuality as a whole like >>8671 said. fujos make multiple categories of people the most uncomfortable, especially straight men, which is the one that tends to dictate how things go socially.
i'd expand on why other women including straight ones hate on fujos too but it would be a too speculative, long post lol. but ultimately it's more about hating any expression of female sexuality that feels threatening to the system

>>8672
>straight yumes would get more or equal shit if that was the case
This does happen, just look at the butthurt over male characters existing in omnipandering gacha and male hate towards the latest popular husbando. So women get hate for being into the wrong kind of men because it's 'cringe' or doesn't fit their image of what they want women to like, or for existing in a fanbase because the male fanbase resents them getting any attention.

>>8673
that's true, but i think it's less about being attracted to men and more about being attracted to the "wrong" type of men.
males seethe that women like cute guys with appealing personalities and think we should indeed be attracted to men, but only the kind of men that they are, because anything different makes them feel insecure and hurts their chances of having sex.
also it's due to men demanding that everything panders to them and feeling butthurt that their media isn't centered only around their own desires. i don't think people give shit to women for being straight specifically, not any more than women who are bisexual or lesbian get shit on. it's just a general trend of wanting to control women's sexuality no matter its swing because it makes men insecure

lolcow is basically cheating at this point but holy kek. Imagine getting upset over fictional male sexualities ruining your fantasies.

>>8663
This is so fucking funny considering every time I see two female characters on social media there’s always himejoshis coming out of the woodwork to scream “YURI YURI LESBIANS THERES NO STRAIGHT EXPLANATION FOR THIS THEYRE LESBIANS” like there’s no tomorrow. I see less cope when it comes to yuri pairings too, since most normalfags look at a yaoi ship and still say it’s actually just friendship or that they’re brothers or some shit. Most of their complaints about fujos are just shit they do on a regular basis but it’s fine because muh purest form of love

>>8669
No, the reason why fujos are hated is specifically because it's inaccessible to men and women having a semblance of sexual autonomy i.e. a community made by them just for them makes men seethe like nothing else. That's where the "rotten woman" term comes from, they deem women too foul to marry out of spite simply because they're women expressing their sexuality in a way they don't find attractive.

Does anyone else think that the huge wave of anti fujoshi posting is due to the fact that most media is hostile towards us now? Making only the lesbian ships canon but never the gay guys. Gacha games now abandoning a mixed audience and fully pandering to male incels who hate any husbando fan. Anime itself having less fujo pandering and studios that once made gay stuff like Mappa now moving fully to shounen that has more straight pairs than ever. Yumejoshi are encouraged to shit on fujos now thanks to games like Lads making a community hostile towards bl fanwork. I don't think this is all a coincidence.

>>8720
I think the yuri ships going canon is validating the yurifags and making them louder but I don't think it's happening because the media itself is hostile towards fujos, I think it's just a logic issue. They make the yuri couples canon in like, that Gundam show, because male ego isn't bruised by it so they will continue to watch, and so will the women who like it anyway. But if they make the BL ship canon, the male ego is bruised by it. Male selfinserters aren't threatened by yuri but yumejoshi are threatened by BL. Who will making a yuri ship canon piss off? Not self inserters, barely anyone. Who will making a BL ship canon piss off? Men and yumejoshi.
I noticed a lack of fujo pandering in the big franchises too, and this will probably make some people mad to suggest it isn't solely men's fault, but I wonder if it partially has to do with the anime considering the western audience. Literally no author wants to attract the western MHA audience who shits and pisses 'muh queerbaiting' because the author offered pandering to the fujos but ultimately it was clear he was writing a shounen. By offering fanservice to fujos, authors will piss off male fans, and also attract the western "mlm fans" who will shit and piss queerbaiting instead of enjoying it. It's a lose/lose.
Also we use to understand that both men and yumejoshi who were so triggered by fujo shipping were just the psychotic misogynists or homophobes they are but now they have learnt retarded socjus 'sexualizing and fetishizing mlm' language to protect themselves. So now instead of fandom as a whole telling them to fuck off we have to validate their retarded bullshit which leads to a general hostile environment towards fujos. If the fandom isn't strong together, things like our buying power isn't strong, and therefore the value of directing fanservice towards us isn't strong. I really think they both feed into each other to make things hostile for fujos.

>>8720
>gacha games
They give us crumbs when it's convenient but I'm sure there's some number toucher in the pipeline with real data about how, despite the men and the ships involving them obviously being REALLY popular, we make art/fic/merch for ourselves and each other rather than putting our money into the IP. A fujo with $100 to blow is way more likely to buy romantic prints of their ships, or doujins/zines, or custom plushies! Not pull the gacha or get insultingly basic official merch (keychans, pins, standees featuring stock official art).

The greatest thing about us (our sprawling for fujo by fujo community) makes us an unwise investment. I think MHA was the very last hurrah for big fujobait money in mainstream media.

>>8677
its just zoomer trends, which are already burning out, the pendulum will swing again

>>8671
>>8673
It's also both groups being butthurt that there are women making work they can't get off to. Straight males hate it because they don't like that fujos aren't into bland male mc having a harem of girls and that fujos are making the guys gay instead. Yumes and het shippers hate it because they see fujos "wasting their talents" making their husbandos gay and fucking other men instead of providing content that they can jack off to. Yuritroons hate it because they see fujos using their skills to write fanfic and they want that for their ships instead, but they know they can't write so they only bully.
>>8724
I don't know if it's only trends. This has been going for at least two decades now.

>>8726
>This has been going for at least two decades now
Yeah, fujos have always been criticized for 'fetishizing' and there have always been gay men who dislike BL and speak out about it. All that's new now is Aidens/theythems bullying fujos out of their own spaces to prove they're legitimate and NLOG.
Plus social media, SJ language being weaponized in internet arguments, and mainstreamification of fandom.
But BL is now slowly making its way into western mainstream with stuff like Heartstopper and that fanfic tier origfic getting live-action adaptations. There are also shonen manga literally being made by fujos right now.

>>8721
I don't think Westerners calling things queerbait has much effect on Japanese authors. That doesn't make it over to them. Yurifags do the same thing but it doesn't stop authors from including yuri in big franchises like Gundam. This sounds like an excuse for straight male shounen authors who just don't want fujos making their male mcs gay.
>So now instead of fandom as a whole telling them to fuck off we have to validate their retarded bullshit which leads to a general hostile environment towards fujos
Of course because women are much easier to guilt than straight males. Incels will actually do worse if you criticize their interests but fujos always fold because they don't want to be called "misogynistic" for ignoring some heterosexual ship. Which might also be tied to wanting more canon ships, because canon is the only way to get these people to shut the fuck up
>>8723
The greatest thing about us (our sprawling for fujo by fujo community) makes us an unwise investment
I'd say JJK for shounen actually, and then most likely Hoyo being it for gacha games. I can't blame fujos for being into more popular things than sticking to some shovelware joseimuke game that gets a low budget anime adaptation just to push a few crappy music CDs. Nobody wants to pander to fujos, so fujos have to cook for themselves, and companies want the advertisement without having to put forth any effort. It's hard to see fujos becoming as entitled to throw tantrums the way incels or even yurifags do, since there are no other options. As much as I want to tell fujos to not waste time on canons that don't respect them, I also understand its not our fault no one wants to pander to us.
>>8729
>Heartstopper
Fuck that ugly Western slop. That author talked shit about fujos and Eastern BL being fetishizing, she's part of the problem and why Western homo content is often shit.

I don't play hoyo games but I just saw someone on twitter share these screencaps and found it funny. https://x.com/kooguang/status/1925618680202702963

>>8743
https://x.com/mcdowell_d14586/status/1925686867300589840
One of the replies is a LADS/Nikki fan crying about translations and hoping for them to get reported. Replies full of people crying about straight shippers being oppressed. This is the shit we have to see from gacha "feminists".

>>8745
Life gets so much better when you only interact with yuri/het fans who are fujos first. I really don’t have the energy to deal with these kinds of people anymore.

>>8746
There's so many yuri fans who are fine with homophobic het fans claiming fujoshi are misogynistic. They claim fujos are the homophobes but when they're fine with people like this no one cares and they don't get half the bad pr fujos get.

>>8747
We survived the witch hunts of the ‘10s and came out victorious, this too shall pass. Every trial we brave makes the resolve of the fujos who come out the other side stronger and more unashamed.