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I have such a love/hate relationship with what has been deemed 'dead dove' or dead dove spaces. What is considered proship/dead dove space in theory should be what old fujoism used to be, shipping without caring whether something was immortal or not, just…simply shipping? People who shipped the Ed brothers or the hitachiins didn't need to throw an essay about how they were raped by their brother as a child and how they're projecting their trauma into the ship now leave them alone. You just shipped them because brothers hawt and that was it.
Now almost every space that is for a standard fujo, a proship/dead dove space is:
- Full of gender politics, for some reason? Less shipping, less how shipping dadson shota rape actually helps victims overcome trauma and how it's very revolutionary feminist core
- Horny people 24/7 in such a moidy way that it becomes offputting. Imagine the obnoxiousness of cunnyfags on 4chan but 20x with somehow even more creep vibes than it should. Mind you, I like shota rape incest age gaps whatever else but I don't go "It'd be so fun if this character was such a pedo rapist ♥ I love when my fav is a PEDOPHILE!!!" that is said so unironically
- Basically no media literacy and no real interest for actually wanting to *care* about the ships. This is just a petpeeve of mine but if I like a ship it's because I like the characters and want to discuss shit, I don't wanna hear how you forgot your T-shot today or if you wonder if Character X would get their T-shot. I don't care to listen about your trauma through a ship, I'm not gonna play therapist for you when I want these characters to fuck without thinking that I'm enabling someone's 'coping mechanism'.
I just wanna ship shit, be a weirdo maybe but not have "I LOVE CHILD RAPE!!!" as a badge of honor

>>7609
I think there are a few reasons for western art usually looking different even when it is anime-esque.
>Disney and cartoon influence
>Wanting your own unique style instead of copying anime 100%.
>Japanese people grow up with manga clubs in school, they learn the real techniques for making manga look like manga and they practice by copying art they like. Most western artists don't have this background. The colouring, rendering and linework style used by western artists on a pro level is usually really different. Meanwhile more amateur ones like to do that low contrast soupy brown/red palette. Even Korean and Chinese manhwa/manhua style usually looks different from Japanese because the techniques learned and aesthetic culture are different.
>Homestuck fandom popularized the trend of racebending, making characters fat etc because the characters were 'aracial' and blank canvases (despite the fact that you can see nobody is fat or has textured hair). Then it trickled down and became the norm.

I understand wanting a unique style because I don't want to completely copy anime either, but anime also has a very wide variety of styles. For example, I don't like thin lines and thin lines are very common - but there are manga styles with thick lines too.

>>7629
THIS, all of this especially the second point. I thought I was the only one who noticed how weirdly offputting so-called "profic" spaces had become. I want to have a generally "normal" fandom experience but it's like anyone who self-IDs as "problematic" wants to be as edgy and off-putting as possible. I like my shota incest ships too but is it too much to ask people to treat them like they would vanilla ships? With regular discussions, fanarts, fics and without feeling like everyone's trying to outedge each other? The hornyposting is the worst too. It really does feel like they're trying to imitate lolicons for some reason.
>tfw you're too normal for the freaks and too freaky for the normals

Having finished the newest Lost Belt I think that Camazotz is one of the best boys we have gotten the last years. Sad he isn't summonable so far. It's funny how almost all of my favorite FGO characters are either brown boys or male Japanese (I wish Japanese heroes weren't so prone to genderbending argh, Nobunaga is cool though).

>>3630
For a while I thought his design was a cluttered mess but enough fan art has made me appreciate all of the details especially the helmet. Will never get to actually meet him though since I lost my F/GO account. Alas, hope he interacted with Tez and the other South American servants.

I also like Yan Qing, he's cool and a bit fruity. His tattoos are very significant to his character. We get to his leg tattoos in his summer costume.

The other guy is Asclepius who has a fantastic design. The crossbangs are so ikemen. He's kinda like Dr. House with his way of practicing in medicine. The oversized sleeves are just cute.

I ship them together because of the Arctic Summer event. Their interactions feel like they're close to each other. Pio-sensei rarely asks help from anyone — he's comfortable enough to ask Shinshin to watch over Douman considering the events in LB4.

>>7597
Reading this made me realize how my baby boomer father felt when I wouldn't shut the fuck up about Pokemon as a little kid in 2000.

>>7624
I didn't even know you could write sentences on titcock. I never had any interest in that site and the fact that everything has to be video based is so fucking stupid IMO.
It reminds me of instasgram where people post crappy images with fat white font on black background to make a textposts instead of just using a place that allows text to post their thoughts.

>>7627
So you hate youtube then?

I love violence. I loved the first volume of Sneaky Red. I want to draw men getting beat on and crying and hurt. Reading about it turns me on so bad, and I love the way the author of that draws the bruises just right. I wish she would do more manga on the same subject, but oh well haha

Overpowered monster x human or the other way around has always been my fetish but I just saw this screencap going around and hnnngg

>>7611
Same nonna same king kong and the ang lee hulk movie changed me as a kid

>>708
Happy 2,685th!

It's still the 11th here! I'm safe!

>>686
Torahime Shu from Charisma House S2.

Happy bday Miya!

>>7602
I hate CEO AU’s too, but this particular fandom has a few characters that own businesses.

>>7602
I have legit never seen a CEO AU so far. Sounds better than mermaid, genderbend or coffee shop AUs but that might be because I think of Fukumoto series when I think of CEOs.

>>7607
I only ever see it when one character is already designated as the school "rich kid" it's basically just an aged up AU from my experiences, though like the other nonnas said it's usually written by people with no life experience and comically unrealistic.

I love fantasy, especially sword and sorcery, and feel like it could be the perfect setting for exploring unique and interesting BL dynamics. Aside from a few ships, the lack of actual BL media with fantasy (not urban fantasy, btw) is disappointing. Sure, theres some elves getting ugly bastard'd by orcs doujin out there, but I mean dramatic shit like LOTR. LYKT. was the closest I've had that itch scratched, and that very fun VN The Frozen Kingdom (BL inspired by Conan is godtier thinking).

Dying earth, romantic fantasy, grimdark, mythological fantasy, ect. I think the possibilities are endless, we need shit like a Bloodborne inspired BL. I guess there's Danmei but I don't care for it.

>>4426
> I guess there's Danmei but I don't care for it.
Honestly I associate Danmei more with historical fiction even though it is very fantasy, I guess it just doesn't scratch the same high fantasy itch that something like LOTR does.

>I love fantasy, especially sword and sorcery, and feel like it could be the perfect setting for exploring unique and interesting BL dynamics

Agree since in addition to standard BL archetypes you can also play with different fantasy races and their socio-political differences. Speaking specifically of LOTR I always though an underrated component of Gimli/Legolas was the dwarf/elf aspect of the relationship.

>>4426
>BL inspired by Conan is godtier thinking

I'm honestly surprised that there isn't more, it seems like a logical setting for BL considering everything about it.

>>7379
I really can't like any Hoyo ships, even the super praised yaoi like the ship in that picture. They're all so boring to me, it feels like they want to hit the popular tropes but the game can't really give them the time to show why they're interesting. It's fine for fandom, people making something good out of a mid canon is what fandom is all about. But in canon I don't care about any of these ships including this Sumeru yaoi that gets such praise. My problem with all their ships is only one character feels fleshed out and the other one is just there and they're only shipped because the fandom treats it as "canon". I have a hard time being interested in a ship when only one character has some development and the other has no purpose outside the ship.

These people pretending to be nerds are always so funny, because you can spot them instantly by asking a few questions. I am into a series where the main character starts off as a huge asshole from the early acts to midway, but the fandom portrays her as a mindless generic bubbly girl, and I hate it. They ruined her for mass appeal

R/AO3 can be a little obnoxious at times but I do like threads like these:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AO3/comments/1itksra/any_scene_in_a_fic_or_popular_characterization_in/
Because I can get a glimpse of the state of things in fandoms I otherwise would never have glanced at. It's pretty fascinating to look through. Especially the ones like picrel where they go on about a specific incarnation of a character that ultimately lead to a sort of spiral downward.

>>7592
No really, that's a super common sentiment among them, especially radblr. I remember that one middle aged radfem who even made a fucking video about the topic.
>They're probably the ones that certainly shlicking to yume art kek.
Oh, you bet. The Lolcow radfem variety in particular absolutely hates fujos and has multiple threads dedicated to complaining about how fujos are misogynists cucked into trooning out for frying their brains with gay porn while they themselves goon to Otome Game #453435 and its abusive main love interest Rapey McCageman.

>>7579
>Yeah, think about all the obscene moid coomery hailing from China with its numerous gacha games that are straight up porn made for men yet they always go unpunished
tbf a Chinese porn artist (gore, child rape) was sent to a literal labor camp for the next 10 years of his life, and the entire Chinese internet celebrated it

>>7603
Yeah men have to draw mauled children being raped in order to be punished while women can just draw two normal men kissing and get their asses detained.

>>8512
I just started this series and am only on Re:Chain of Memories, so I haven't dived into fanworks yet, but don't people ship Axel/Roxas? That was a pair I always saw as an outsider.

I'm still kind of waiting for a KH pair to latch onto, been promised II will make me a SoRiku shipper.

>>8513
Akuroku was the main pair in the 00's era fandom. Mostly because all we had was Days for years and years and years. But oops age gap so it isn't as big in the fandom. Axel was thought to be similar in age to Roxas at the time and internet in 2009 was not the one of today.

>>8513
>>8514
nayrt but I genuinely thought axel/roxas would be more popular? I remember seeing it everywhere when I was younger but not into KH. I don't know what the nu-KH fandom ships nowadays but for sure I remember them being so prominent.
Did it just fall off for the newgen? They are obviously an age gap ship even if you didn't know their ages but as if that should stop anyone

Stuff like this makes me wish I had learned how to color sooner~

Speaking of Hetalia in the other thread. That series has so much pretty folklore inspired art.

>>7575
she's literally me fr

>>8500
Yeah I would say Sebastian too, he is made for service. Plus Homer seems like someone who likes to be pampered and lay back while a man takes him.

>>8501
>>8503
These are excellent points but consider the fact that Homer is a married man with a wife, who presumably doesn't have much experience with taking dick in his ass. Wouldn't he be apprehensive towards bottoming, and wouldn't Sebastian offer to ride him instead to ease his worries? I'm just spitballing here but the fact that Sebastian is literally a servant who lives to please should be taken into consideration as well.

>>8493
>>8494

Kek, I love retarded crack pairings. So I made AI write a small fic about their first kiss:

Homer and Sebastian have spent the day working together, creating new donuts and helping out the townsfolk. They've grown closer, and their bond has deepened through shared experiences and mutual respect.
As they clean up the bakery, Homer pauses and looks at Sebastian with a mix of admiration and affection. "You know, Sebastian, I never thought I'd say this, but you're the best friend I've ever had. And not just because of the donuts."
Sebastian, touched by Homer's words, smiles warmly. "And I never thought I'd find someone who appreciates my cooking as much as you do, Homer. You've brought a lot of joy into my life."
Homer, feeling a surge of emotion, takes a step closer to Sebastian. "You know, Sebastian, I think I… I think I more than appreciate your cooking."
Sebastian's eyes widen slightly in surprise, but he doesn't pull away. Instead, he leans in closer, his voice soft. "And I think I more than appreciate your company, Homer."
With a mix of nervousness and excitement, Homer leans in and gently kisses Sebastian on the lips. It's a soft, tentative kiss, full of warmth and affection. Sebastian responds in kind, his eyes closing as he savors the moment. As they pull away, both Homer and Sebastian are left with a sense of wonder and happiness.
Homer grins, his cheeks flushed. "Wow, that was… that was something else."
Sebastian smiles back, his eyes shining with affection. "Yes, it was. Thank you, Homer."
Their first kiss is a moment of pure emotion and connection, highlighting the depth of their feelings for each other. Despite their differences, Homer and Sebastian have found a deep bond that transcends their backgrounds and personalities. This kiss marks the beginning of a new chapter in their relationship, filled with love, laughter, and endless adventures.

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>>8502
I'd recommend checking out Nodame Cantabile, Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou, and Gin no Saji. Rec is a short and cute series too.

>>8504
I just realized 2 of those aren't from the 2000s kek. Bokura ga Ita is exactly what you're looking for years and genre wise. Beck and Genshiken are also good, latter is a college anime with fujo rep.

>>8502
For me it's Zettai Shounen, but it involves some sort of paranormal mystery so I am not sure if it's what you are looking for even though it's at the end a very character centered slowburn that focuses on inner conflicts and the likes with a lot of SoL scenes that are more on the realistic spectrum.
Also, not gay but the boy is very cute IMO. It isn't romance heavy IIRC though.