No.3430
>>3429Woo-hoo, I love the NEETs too! Could mix and match them all day. I think for that series in particular you also have the dynamic of a bunch of horny brothers all of the same age incapable of getting a girlfriend, so it only makes sense that some or all of them would start experimenting with each other.
>Feels like a cop-out tbh, but if they've been raised since childhood it can still lead to some fun drama. Whole-heartedly agree with this. I had to remind myself that one of my ships needed a warning recently because it didn't even dawn on me that some people interpret it as incest. I think that if the story sets up like "Two children are adopted at the same time" that's one thing, but if its two adult who technically happen to be adopted siblings it really doesn't mean anything.
No.3436
>Brothers or Father son?
both, both is good, as long it's not grooming or CSA. the best dynamic is always the younger half of the pairing taking the initiative and being the pursuer.
>Inseki: Is it ever good or is it always a cop-out?
can be good, but rarely is
>Is twincest wincest?
depends. if they act like they are one and look exactly the same is quite boring and i pass. if they act and look diferent it's cool.
No.3441
>Best incest ships? I’m with
>>3430 and
>>3429. I was really into Osomatsu-San back in its heyday and shipped Ichi and Jyushi. Even before that, my first exposure to incest was Hitachiincest. Then Elricest. God, I miss when liking incest was normalized in fandom.
>Brothers or Father son?Brocon for sure, but I’m not opposed to dadson. I just never actively seek it out.
>Inseki: Is it ever good or is it always a cop-out?It’s a cop-out when they’ve known each other for a short amount of time. If they’ve been raised together since adolescence and refer to each other as “brother” I wouldn’t mind it but it’s still not “real” incest.
>Is twincest wincest?Absolutely. Twincest is my most sought after yaoi dynamic, and I wish there were more anime boy twins out there that are possessive and madly in love with each other.
No.3445
>>3436Agree younger one is always best as the pursuer otherwise I tend to be squicked out.
Prefer fatherson, but I'm more interest in uke dad dubcon than the other way around.
No.3448
>>3446Wow, never considered this ship before, but it's astronomically based. Any more pics? Any fic recs?
Also, do you prefer canon depiction of Orel grown up, or would you rather go with the proposed ending for the show that would have had Orel go goth?
No.3463
>>3446You are unfathomably based. I didn't bother to check for fanart but the thought did creep on me when i watched it
No.3495
>>3494I've always loved seeing them together in fanart, even if I dropped the anime after the first episodes haha. Maybe I'll give it a second chance in the future because, like you said, twincest is wincest and both of them look adorable.
No.3496
>>3495The first season is not the best, I can understand why you'd drop it. But it's worth it, especially for the incest! The second and third season get muuuuuch better, and they get an angst arc!
No.3512
>>3496I see, that's good to hear. After I'm done with the series I'm watching, I'll start the anime for these two then. Thank you anon!!
No.3518
>>3517Hmm, good question, I suppose it depends how the selfcest is handled. I know a lot of fanworks treat the two characters as twins which is incest related though just as often its more a "dark persona" which I would say is seperate.
Its incest-adjacent for sure.
No.3519
>>3518>just as often its more a "dark persona"I know what you mean. There's quite a few Danny/Danny fics where they're treated as completely separate entities and were never as one. I'm also reminded of Linkcest where a lot of fanworks treat them similarly, as two separate entities. I will always prefer selfcest where the character goes through the whole "oh god, narcissism" crisis because it's infinitely more interesting. Especially because a lot of times when they're treated as two completely separate characters, they'll never address the fact that the two characters look so similar.
No.3520
>>3519Yes! The narcissism crisis is so good and I just can't find it believable if its never brought up, its like doing an incest fic without addressing that the characters are related its just weird and I don't understand the point. Though I also similarly like playing with that narcissism crisis with identical twins even of it isn't literally a split person.
I could never get into Link/Dark Link because Dark Link has no personality but I used to really enjoy 4sword shipping especially based on the manga.
No.3525
>>3494Another TennRiku nonnie! I 100% agree that they have to canonically be in love with each other. They are literally constantly pining for each other like lovers, constantly worry about each other, and don’t get me started on the duet song… they are the embodiment of twincest is wincest
>>3512Come to the dark side!! The anime is a very good adaptation of the game but it’s behind by a few chapters I think. There’s translations of the game too if you’re itching for more after that! iDOLiSH7 is honestly a fujo masterpiece that’s worth experiencing.
No.3526
>>3525I just got into i7 and they’re definitely my ship of choice! Even if I want to strangle Tenn sometimes, Riku is tooo pure and I know he’d be the happiest by his brother’s side.
No.3563
>>3562Good to see someone else with the same brainrot. There wil never again be a relationship like theirs. I just wish the ship was more popular, there are not enough fanworks about them.
No.3568
>>3566Which two are these? The colors are really pretty here.
No.3569
>>3568Aoi twins from Enstars
No.3633
>>3632Wait until you find out his nephew is also his brother
No.3634
>>3632Isn't his son also his nephew?
No.3635
>>3633>>3634Yes I know that's even better!
No.3636
>>3634His son is his double nephew. And his nephew (Horus) is also his double nephew who is also his reincarnated brother
No.3743
>>3742>Osomatsu-san too. I need more recsSaaame, what really gets me about Ososan fics and doujinshi is just how removed fron the source material they all ate. Like the AUs are fun, but man I wish more fanworks where about the brothers as themselves.
No.3744
>>3428Best incest ships?
the one i have and really like: stancest
Brothers or Father son?
brothers is best and i'm my opinion father-son only works if the dad is the bottom
Inseki: Is it ever good or is it always a cop-out?
biggest limp dick cop-out over. or you ship incest like a true fujo or you fuck off
Is twincest wincest?
twins are on a whole other level with all their creepy I-feel-you-feel-too connection shit going on
No.3745
>>3743Completely agree. Sometimes it's fun to explore them as is, especially rare pairings.
Btw, does anyone else remember how anti BLmatsu the English fandom was while still secretly shipping the brothers themselves?
No.3746
>>3745I remember getting that vibe for sure. "No you can't ship them they're brothers!" as they proceed to reblog clealy shippy fanart. While theh weren't all hypocrites, Chibita and Kara did have a following, like 90% of the people upset seemed to just be angry at the concept because they knew they "should" be.
Wasn't just western fans either, pixiv had seperate tags for some pairings a BL one and a regular one.
>>3744>father-son only works if the dad is the bottomAgree I like it more than brothers actually but only in this specific way.
No.3750
>>3746>pixiv had seperate tags for some pairings a BL one and a regular oneThe funny thing about this is that I'm pretty sure this is because of the BL, not the incest. Basically, BL fandom always needs to section itself off from mainstream fans (straight dudes who probably love straight incest). This is why most fandoms have a 'fu' version of the tag.
No.3769
>>3746The Chibita ship cope was hilarious to me because Karamatsu yumes would get so angry at Chibita and anything associated with him. I saw someone making death threats at another anime character for having the same voice actor as Chibita. The Western fans kept making their own problems.
No.3999
>>3744>brothers is best and i'm my opinion father-son only works if the dad is the bottomMeh the opposite for me. The father has all the power in the relationship, so him choosing to go that road and taking his son's virginity is x10 more impactful and sinful
No.4055
Searching for brother x brother art on Pinterest (I’m desperate) and at first, seeing the “omg ew, they are brothers” comments were annoying, but now it’s just funny. Also the like to comment ratio is pretty funny too.
No.4081
>>4080I like all pairings with Enji honestly, obsessive dads are rare but always peak.
Since shounen tends to scrub the protagonsts' parents clean unless their dad was some legendary warrior they have to 'beat' there's never a lot to work with. Or in the case of Hunter x Hunter, chasing said deadbeat.
Illumi Killua too, is great.
For MHA, the fact that everyone's parents are just present makes their characters feel so much more dynamic because you can see where they get certain behavior. I consume a lot of JRPG content and another pairing I like is Clive/Joshua from FF16. Their relationship at the start of the game is super sweet, and then you realize incest is canon in their family and they've got all the necessary genes to be actually insane for each other.
Siblings are mostly eh to me, if the dynamic is 'wholesome.' I only really like them when they're horrible for each other like the Todoroki family. No pairing between them is stable or sane.
No.4083
>>4081>and then you realize incest is canon in their familyI forgot about their parents being cousins but then it's implied it's the same for their other ancestors so their parents are more like super cousins twice kek
No.4115
>>4081>Their relationship at the start of the game is super sweet, and then you realize incest is canon in their family and they've got all the necessary genes to be actually insane for each other.Before I played the game I saw a bunch of shipping art of them on my twitter following page and thought to myself "Oh, that's what the fujos are going for? Unusual." Then when I played the game myself I found not only Clive/Jill boring but also Dion/Terence as far as an actual canon gay ship goes and Clive/Joshua was the most interesting option.
No.4116
>>4115I like Terence/Dion but their backstory is just implied and then explained in the guidebook, and Terence isn't nearly as important as Dion in the game in general. The pairing is actually more popular than I expected at first.
>Clive/JillI already said Jill is the MC's love interest but not the heroine of the game here long ago but I still can't believe the game tried so hard to make the audience give a shit about Jill when she spends 99% of her time hospitalized, kidnapped or silently standing there. The ending songs pissed me off for this reason too, they're good but the lyrics and the scenes played when the music plays look ridiculous because Jill is a literal who. I still can't believe this is from the same company that gave us Yuna.
No.4117
>>4116> I still can't believe this is from the same company that gave us Yuna.People eat Jill up. She's a no personality 'girlboss' and people shit themselves over the fact that she kills one guy nobody gave a shit about.
Yeah- they complain about her role, but there are artists obsessed with the idea of a manly MC having sex with a default attractive female MC.
I felt nothing for her and I blame the writing team for copying GoT without knowing what made GoT good. It's ironically like an AI copying a writer's style. They got the key points.
Sex, incest, swearing, blood, sex work, and the secret gays that aren't really a secret and nobody cares. They did the homework, got a passing grade, but didn't internalize anything. Jill is a byproduct of that with her Arya Stark revenge arc but don't understand why or how Arya's actually really, really cool.
I know this is the incest thread, but I say all of that to preface- same company, different writers. FFXII copied Star Wars and hell so did Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep and there's a massive difference in understanding. Jill is a sanitized action girl because there was no passion in her goals the way there was in, ironically, Yuna.
No.4122
>>4117I never watched GOT or read the novels but I remember the devs saying they were inspired by it when writing FF16. I only know it's very edgy but that's because I just kept seeing spoilers out of context when the show was airing.
>FFXII copied Star WarsFF2 also did. And guess what? Even the main female characters in that one are more present and likable than Jill. In fucking Final Fantasy 2, an old as fuck game that was very limited in terms of storytelling because it was released on the NES. I like FF16 a lot but Jill was too boring to even be disappointing. No wonder almost everyone I see ships Clive with Joshua or Barnabas.
No.4123
>>4122It's obvious if you've read or watched but specifically, watched. They copied the themes of the show not the books. Like a media illiterate person trying to make a product that banks on media literacy. I don't hate the game's story I just think it was held back by trying to copy a thing they literally couldn't understand.
It was my lowest of the low point of the story because I can see 1:1 EXACTLY who and what they copied. And it's frustrating as a fan of GoT because aside from S8, it's a dark fantasy universe that has SO much going for it.
Take people shipping Clive and Joshua. There's genuine GoT level incest potential between the two of them. Having each other, refusing the comforts of luxury and royalty to be together- all they want is each other. Clive and Jill have a shared GOAL, not chemistry. Jill is mad wet for Clive the entire game and the first time she makes a move, he literally refuses. Realistic given the circumstances he just lived through, but never does he refuse Joshua in any capacity.
Joshua has his own female emotional support who he has no outward romantic affection for but cares so much for his older brother you'd think he was literally crazy for him.
And I don't say this as a fujo, I say this as someone who actually watched the cutscenes. The male/female romance in this game is extremely shallow, as are the GoT inspirational points.
The only relationship with depth I'd say is Garuda and Titan because you can see how much he loves her but she's just his sugar baby. The others are just 'I stood in close proximity to this person ergo pregnancy can occur now.' Hell, Cid saying Clive isn't his type is a lot more than any dialogue between Clive and Jill. Barnabus basically gets a massive boner for Clive that sings more of his character than Clive and Jill. Jill is attracted to the world's hottest man- not faulting her character for that. He's her emotional support, I also can see that. But there are no lengths taken to make them interact as anything more than sexless friends until it's time for THE sex scene while Clive will go on a murderous rampage thinking about his oniichan
No.4139
>>4132You will be.
I watched an LP since I don't particularly enjoy this genre of gaming, but I think it's severely overshadowed by the lesbians. Maybe it's because they're latino, maybe it's because they're two boys and not a brother/sister, but I see no one talk about LiS2 ever but still see mass posting about the OG.