No.10098
I was thinking, why is it that someone disliking your ship hurts? Logically there is no reason for it and yet it stings a bit to be told that you like a "bad ship."
No.10099
>>10098Maybe it's because That Someone matters greatly to you so their disapproval hurts. Or perhaps you're just too invested in your ship, be it emotionally, financially or otherwise, and subconsciously associates your self-worth/identity to it, such that any negativity is taken personally.
No.10100
>>10098From my PoV, it hits the same area of your brain that relates to for example liking a certain sports team, singer or game series. Some part of you starts to wonder if you have bad taste and you were wasting your time and it could make your defensive. I feel like it's some lizardbrain human nature thing cause why else are sports hooligans and toxic Swifties a thing?
No.10101
>>10098I don't think it hurts but I'm mildly annoyed when it's a talented and prolific writer/artist at the helm of a rival ship. If you boil down fandom to its basic element, it is a collective of free, public, and shared resources (the time and ability of fans) but there is no way to control that resource. Antis and himejoshi try in futility to redistribute it away from the problematic/yaoi and so too do I wish I could put the thumbscrews on the loathsome yet talented CxA creators for the glory of AxB. I'm sane enough to never resort to the shitflinging we see in modern times but I will not deny that I completely understand why antis/himes do what they do.
No.10103
>>10102All I remember is the long haired blond guy being a lolicon obsessed with the loli catgirl. Kind of a weird trope - ikemen lolicon - that has happened enough times to be considered a trope, but it's a bucket of cold water for me every time. There was a guy like that in Doujin Work, and then the spear guy in Shield Hero who got turned into one when the author got mad he was too popular.
No.10105
>>10104> if the coaches in medalists should date each other japanese consensus seems to agree on this, because I was genuinely surprised these two have a considerable enough amount of doujins for being in a lolibait show
No.10110
>>10102I'm a fake fan because I've never seen the anime I just have bauge memeories of reading the manga when I was younger. I remember them being bishie but not yaoi bait, but I'm planning to watch the anime soon so I'll let you know if they get a yaoi gag.
No.10115
>>10112>eggs>cherriesBake some cakes, like a cherry clafouti for example.
No.10116
>Randomly encounter an artist whose OCs are mostly women with gigantic hentai tits
>Wait, is that a single male in the lineup?
>The one male character is used for BL
How peculiar. Had a similar moment when looking at a Sk8 infinity gay doujin and finding out that artist apparently also draws a long running doujin series about a nymphomaniac elf who's into monsters.
No.10117
>>10116I love tripping over artists like this because even though BL is not their main staple I know they are Real Ones.
No.10118
>>10112All I can think of in this weather is cherry ice cream.
>>10115Cherry brownies or cookies might last longer so they don't have to be eaten all at once. Brownies can be frozen without significant changes in texture (not so good with fluffier bakes), and hard cookies just go longer in general.
No.10119
>>10112For the cherries
>Black forest cakes or trifles, cherry bread, juice, jubilee, pickled cherries, cocktails or you can add it to an alcohol of your choice and use it as like a garnish for dishes For the eggs
>Egg tarts, meringue cookies, pavlova, quiches, creme brulee, angel food cakes, chocolate mousse, french toasts, egg drop soups and any other variant, omurice, making your own mayonnaise, etc. Personal reccomendation but try those korean drug eggs. I make them when I'm really lazy and not in the mood for cooking. Also do you have a garden cause I'm curious if you just throw away your eggshells or not? No.10122
>>10116I know one artist like that for satosugu. She mostly posts about it on her personal twitter account but her professional account is all about regular straight hentai with pretty women who have huge boobs and average or faceless guys. My only issue is that she's into omegaverse. I think the woman who used to post a lot of Sugimoto genderbend art with ridiculous huge breasts is also a fujoshi, she stopped posting on twitter years ago and onmy posted straight doujinshi but I found some BL doujinshi she made before that on mrm.
No.10125
>>10113>>10114>>10115>>10118>>10119All these recommendations are really good, thank you! I'll have to see what ingredients I have so I can make some stuff right away and what I need to buy to make later.
>Also do you have a garden cause I'm curious if you just throw away your eggshells or not?I don't have a garden sadly, I live in a small apartment, so I just throw them away.
No.10129
>>10128Just read the first chapter and I do see the fujo potential, especially with mc and his younger brother. I was getting possessive seme vibes from Aokaze. Judging by the cover, Nagiharu definitely chooses to go with Ibuki instead of Aokaze though, so I'm kinda excited to see where this goes.
No.10130
>>10129I automatically shipped the brothers together and lowkey forgot most people didn't when I read discussion threads. I love sports manga and brother incest
No.10131
>>10128Just at a glance, this feels too intentionally fujobait almost to the point of parody. Are all sports manga like that?
No.10132
>>10131Take the sports manga pill nona
No.10133
>>10130Well if it gets popular at least the Japanese side of the fandom will most likely have the incest ship as the most popular.
>>10131The artstyle reminds me of a bl I read a while ago. I think it was incest with different looking brothers as well. But yes, quite a few sports manga have a lot of fujobait and fanservice. Blue Lock’s a funny case to me because the one girl gets a lot of fanservice but it feels like an editor addition to try and cancel out the male fanservice and how gay the manga feels at times.
No.10134
>>10133>editor addition to try and cancel out the male fanservice and how gay the manga feels at timesThey always do that shit with the female sports club manager being a hot girl, then it goes back to being full homo
No.10137
>>10131Yes but I don't really mind. As long as it has good bait and manages to deliver on the story I'll try to support it however I can. This should probably be reserved for the wsj board (I'll do it when it reaches 3 chapters in) but JUMP lately with their recent attempts at sport series are usually not that good for fujobait. So I would like to try even if the sports genre is generally seen as doomed in the current era.
No.10143
Does anyone have a beloved piece of media that is, like, objectively homoerotic, but you just can't be fujo about it? There's a book I've loved since childhood. Even though I'm way too old for it now, it still holds a very special place in my heart, and I reread it regularly. This book is VERY unintentionally homoerotic, to the point where some reviewers even complain about how gay the main character seems. I've even recommended it as a fujo-esque book to people because it's THAT GAY, and I know it would appeal to them. There's an entire paragraph where the protagonist details another character's ass, and that's not even the main source of homoeroticism in the story. I can acknowledge all of this, but I still can't bring myself to ship the characters or anything. I know why this is, and it's kind of personal, but it's just weird because normally, I'd be all over the dynamic portrayed in the book. It's the exact shit I love, and there are other stories with a similar dynamic where I DO ship the characters. This one is off-limits in my brain, though. Images spoilered because the third picture contains a major plot detail. The others do not contain spoilers if you want to see some funny reviews.
No.10149
>>10143I was trying to think of one, but honestly while there are series that theoretically have fujo appeal to me like that I can't into like LotR it's usually because I don't care about the source material enough. I can't think of a work that I truly love that I can't be fujo about.
No.10151
>>10143Oh, I didn't think I'd see this here. I read this book as a young fujo in middle school and it changed my life to the point where I (cringely) wrote about how gay it was in my book report.
No.10152
>>10143The Outsiders to this day has a solid fujo fanbase but even when I read it in school, it never clicked with me in that way
Still a great book and a classic movie
No.10155
>>10154I wonder if it was actually gay guys trolling them or another group (I could see it being either, gay guys can be pretty funny when they're fucking with straight guys).
Funny part is that when I looked up more info about this game guys on 4chan said they would have brothels where they switched around their waifus by losing on purpose so everyone could collect CGs kek.
Uncensored CGs are on hitomi.la btw, the guy is genuinely pretty cute.
No.10157
>>10156nonna you're seeing the average /cm/ shotapedo in their full bloom, they're a complete different breed that is somehow convinced that liking shotas is a complete male-only thing that women have ruined.
The only thing I'd give them any 'credit' for though, is that it's true that "homoshos" meant for men look different from fujobaity shota (which is the fucking ugly, buzzcuty, basically a small bara but as a boy type of design).
No.10158
>>10156I don't know why they seethe about fujos so much. It has never been easier to block and filter things and people you don't like online. If fujos stopped making stuff it's not like a bunch of stuff to their taste would magically take its place.
>>10157>(which is the fucking ugly, buzzcuty, basically a small bara but as a boy type of design)This is the only flavor of gay 2d shit that is completely repulsive to me. If they want their fujo-free fandom this style will protect them haha.
No.10161
>>10157>somehow convinced that liking shotas is a complete male-only thing that women have ruined.Women literally invented shota the fuck are they talking about kek.
>(which is the fucking ugly, buzzcuty, basically a small bara but as a boy type of design).Don't forget huge eyebrows.
Default for fujo (or sometimes yume) shota is shorts, sweater vest and often sock garters or a ribbon tie.
No.10163
>>10162Most of them look more like lolis than shotas honestly, but that could also be my bias because I think the art style pretty ugly to me.
No.10164
>>10162This style/shading looks like AI slop tbh. They can keep it.
No.10165
>>10162I hate this generic gatcha character design and art style. Over-designed with 10000 tiny details with hideous color schemes.
No.10167
>>10161I remember a thread on lc describing the vibe as "tuburculosis shota" and I've been thinking about that since.
No.10169
>>10156>that one homoincel seriously believeing that """straggots""" are all closeted bisexuals and that there's enough faggots in the world to entirely fund a shota game without a single ounce of a woman ever touching itwhew /cm/ is wild, the /a/ shotafags are genuinely deranged
No.10170
>>10156What is that first poster on about? There's been a gay men's gacha game for some years now, it's just that the characters are mostly adults and a number of them furries. I was laughing recently because I saw someone post a photo of its merch in a store and ask why the cute animal keyrings were in the R18 section.
>>10162Some of these look like my own OCs… but sameified? The face shapes and bodies are almost all the same proportions. The hair styles are somehow all over the place and incredibly repetitive.
>>10167pffft.
Oh yeah on the topic of /cm/, the guys flirting and exchanging emails I reported months back still haven't been dealt with by mods. Not sure what I'm supposed to report it as if they looked at it and decided it was fine.
No.10176
>>10162>>10165ZeroERA is chinese so it doesn't surprise me there's some Hoyo similarities. I personally think they're cute.
>>10157Yeah someone in the Citruscon shota meetup channel posted a recommendation for a dlsite game called Shota x monsters(pic related) but I wasn't into the artstyle cause it reminds me of that typical muscle shota style. I want my Ciel phantomhive/Hanako-kun/Touken ranbu tantou style shotas.
No.10178
>>10176HOLY SHIT I played this forever ago on hard mode and it was one of the most immaculately balanced JRPGs I'd ever played for some reason
Even had a literal gacha machine where you spent your gold to get collectable briefs, idk what's up with the moid obsession around underwear
No.10179
>>10162Whaa? I actually feel these would appeal to women more than gay men tbh. But truth be told, its probably (a straight man) astroturfing and projecting since if you were to make these female there is no doubt straight men would be all over these characters.
No.10180
>>10179Reminds me of how I've seen people stating NuCarnival is targeted at gay men lol.
No.10182
>>10181Just replace attractive women with yaoi
No.10183
>>10181>no -Pet the dogWrong for all genders.
No.10186
I just went through almost the entire Pixiv tag for my fav ship and now I'm depressed and lacking content :( Where do you all go for fanworks? I know Twitter has the best artists but I find the userbase and site design too unbearable to spend too much time on there. I mostly lurk on Tumblr but that site is kind of dead nowadays.. Do you guys know any other JP sites or is Pixiv the biggest one? Also, the ship is from a Chinese media so I thought about looking for CN sites too but can they even post gay stuff with their laws?
No.10187
>>10186> Also, the ship is from a Chinese media so I thought about looking for CN sites too but can they even post gay stuff with their laws?They can, albeit quite limited. Lofter doesn't allow nsfw for sure (you can make an account by downloading WeChat and linking it to lofter). Weibo is so-so, I've seen people post explicit nsfw but if it has like a little censor or if the image is placed between random images that you scroll down to. Some people post on exclusive QQ groups (discord but chinese) where porn is allowed there. People use their QQ space kind of like a mini-twitter also.
No.10188
>>10186You may find something on plurk especially if it's a Chinese language media, it's a Taiwanese service and doesn't require a Chinese SNS account to register.
No.10194
>>10191This is wild because I just found out (as in, within the past hour) a VN YouTuber and reviewer I used to occasionally watch ALSO trooned out and ALSO goes by the name Claire now. I had to check to make sure he didn't also go by Protonjon and was, in fact, a different person kek.
No.10197
>>10186>Where do you all go for fanworks?Aggregators, like
>https://www.zerochan.netor
>https://danbooru.donmai.us
>but can they even post gay stuff with their laws?They can only post chaste NSFW like characters holding hands. Anything spicy goes to Twitter.
>>10191>>10194This brainrot is now a bigger scare than finding that your husband is a closeted gay. At least a homo won't demand constant validation and you won't be treated like a persona non grata for divorcing him.
No.10199
>>10194Damn. The world can be a strange place.
No.10208
>>10207This man is fucking 70 years old
No.10213
>>10212I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this actually has fanart kek.
No.10214
>>10211>>10212Didn't the Boku no Pico guy do the character designs for this or was it another kid's show
No.10215
>>10214No Yoshiten only does Hentai and mainly traps, but the director is the same Yatabe Katsuyoshi. He also directed the 2009 Anne of Green Gables reboot and Dirty Pair, very weird filmography.
No.10220
>>10217>westoids write about themselvesIs this why so many western VNs have you make a self insert while eastern don't have this feature? Also, how are you finding this shit? I can't speak a lick of japanese, chinese, and korean.
No.10221
>>10217Whenever I see that Boyfriends webcomic I find it so sad that the author felt the need to put in a self-insert as the goth because the artstyle appeals to me and in some alternate reality I probably would've read the comic and she could've just been a chill fellow fujo with an artstyle I like.
No.10222
>>10220Pixiv (JP), Lofter (CN), Postype (KR), and filtering by Chinese on AO3. If you can’t read the original language, MTL is serviceable.
No.10225
>>10176>>10178>SxMI remember playing this as a joke and ending up genuinely having fun lol. Some of the monster designs are really cute/cool too.
Ice Swordsman best boy
No.10226
>>10207I'm so glad I'm not the only ram loving fujo here (I hope he and Morty finally fuck this season)
No.10227
>>10217>East Asians write about the characters, westoids write about themselves.This is true in some way but jp/cn/kr artists self-insert too, just not in the overt western way where they completely mutilate a character to suit themselves or their views. Having been accustomed to reading JP/CN works, they're not as 'sane' as you think they are, in fact usually very aggresive in a very passive way
No.10228
>>10227Yeah they also self-insert but the type of mental illness is different. With western stuff you can only notice right away because it's so familiar to you.
No.10229
>>10220Eyeless heroines and letting you change the name is common though. I figure actually letting you customize the appearance is less of a thing because it would make CGs much more of a clusterfuck or impossible. Of course the whole western VN trend of gender neutral protagonist/insert your pronouns here etc is a different level of self insertion.
No.10231
I wish you guys would stop fellating the eastern fujos so much. If you only knew how fucking psycho they are, you'd understand it's the same level of mental illness and self-insertion as the west
No.10232
>>10231All Nip fujo respect I had went out the window when I stumbled across my first 5ch fujothread.
No.10233
>>10232I'm curious, what did you find out in there? I've seen a lot of autistic shit directly from twitter/pixiv but I've never seen 5ch fujos.
The most extreme I've seen out in the open was an artist pasting the tianmen square copypasta for every single one of their pixiv entries to "prevent" chink reposters
No.10234
>>10231Did you come from LC? The most annoying thing jp fujos do is seme/uke autism and turning every uke into a blushing maiden or a seme into a silent cool chad. They don't have gender autism like Anglosphere fandom does but mass-blocking and autistic social rituals around avoiding landmines are exhausting. The good thing JPN fujos do is recognize that yaoi is escapism and self-pandering instead of having TIFs demand muh representation or whine about le age gap.
No.10235
>>10233They were having this huge insane ship war between A/B shippers and B/A shippers and throwing whatever they could at the other side, calling them self-inserters, lookist, etc. They also openly shit on one of my favorite fanartists and talked about how gross they found her drawing mpreg and the like. Anonymity brings out the worst in people.
No.10236
>>10234No, from 4chan. The only reason why people assume the JP fujos are sane is because they can't read Japanese. CN fujos being clinically schizo is well-known. KR fujo insanity is learned solely by being in KR manhwa fandoms. KR women in general are catty for retarded ass shit like shipping or wrongthink
No.10237
>>10235Yeah they're pretty autistic, one of them blocked me because I drew a ship pic of a character they also like. No hard feelings though it’s one of those fujos with 'landmine' ships."
No.10238
tbqhdesu all fandoms and communities have their own retardation and mental illnesses. it's all about picking your poison
No.10239
>>10231I specifically like it better because the autism is in a different language I don't automatically ingest.
It's a fanart machine for me, I don't need to know how it works and it doesn't ask me to in a language I can understand.
No.10240
>>10226>>10207I'm not going to judge cause I'm a moralfag, I'm going to judge you cause I can't understand why anyone would ship a character from this terribly ugly series.
No.10241
>>10240Because much like Undertale shipping literally everything is canon so you can really play with the setting and characters. NTA btw, but I dabbled in it a bit and thought the fandom was degenerate but pretty chill it was also drama free outside of arguments on if season 3 was good or bad.
No.10243
>>10242Ugly characters can grow on you if they are sufficiently moe and/or have good enough voice acting.
But a series like R&M is so ugly that it's probably hard carried by off model fanart like the old men from Gravity Falls.
No.10245
>>10243>>10244Personally I never got the insistence thst characters must be attractive to be shipped, I get it for pornographic works but most of the time you watch a show for the premise and then the characters grow on you afterwards. Not saying you can't watch a show because someone is cute, I've done it plenty of times, but for a ship as big and "ugly" as Rick/Morty it's clear there's something there that hooked people in spite of the designs.
No.10247
>>10246The author seems insufferable, and I'm pretty sure this comic has one of the most demented gendie fanbases there is. You could probably find a lot of cute western coming-of-age bl stories on Tapas, if you're into that
No.10248
>>10246Is it just me or could you genuinely argue she's being xenophobic here? The way she's demonising an entire genre of comics made predominantly by japanese women.
No.10250
>>10209Mark is already a bad enough pick.
>>10210From the second line I knew your answer would be youtube. No matter what you search when trying to get an anime OP/ED on there you'll get full latin american dubs, sometimes even full fan ones.
>>10246It has a trans character in the main cast, and the netflix show made sure to hire a trans actress for it. Then the fandom hounded the teenage lead and threatened him until he felt forced to come out of the closet publicly. I'm fortunate that I read the comic by chance before knowing about the author, and was able to enjoy seeing a familiar setting (then it got weirder when they filmed the show somewhere I used to go tons as a kid). The show does a good job of capturing its appeal - just pure fluff romantic giddiness and minor school relationship drama. If you're not easily swayed by that or find it impossible to invest because of the character types/meta then it's not going to be much fun. I have no idea why the audience ended up as bad as it is, but I assume it's because it's so mainstream. I read it because it was in libraries here, and since the netflix show every book shop has multiple versions on their main shelves, not even the comic or YA sections. It's bound to have far more vocal teenage fans than the average western media.
>>10248She is. Specifying only Japanese category terms and calling them bad fetish erotica. She's also a they, so it's alright when
they do it.
No.10251
>>10248A lot of the "BL is fetishizing and gross" narrative has always come off as smugly xenophobic to me. It has this distinctive "those barbaric orientals don't know shit about respecting human rights and only fetishize them for entertainment and sexual gratification unlike us civilized westerners" tone to it, as if gay people didn't exist in Asia or as if Asian authors were unable to feel empathy and a sense of respect when writing these characters.
No.10253
Where is the multilevel marketing BL and why hasn't Fukumoto written it yet?
No.10255
>>10246Is she implying that all yaoi and BL contains sex? As if there weren't a myriad of topics and levels of love and intimacy. What a 'not like the other girls' writing gay male fiction' thing to say.
No.10256
>>10248She is and she's being smug about it. I, Alice Oseman, am so unlike those icky fujos because I'm a she/they and my cutesy fluffy graphic novel about gay highschoolers is totally different and ethical to read because I say so.
>>10252>straight women can't write BL because they are evil fetishizers into gay men, but if a random female author claims to be kweer (aroace in her case) that means she's a-okay! it's safe now that we know the author's pronouns and sexual preferences! this work of fiction would be terrible if the author was into sex with men instead of sex with nobody, oh no No.10257
>>10246it feels like it was made for discourse damaged teens who want to read about boys kissing (normal desire) but saw too many posts about how it's problematic and #fetishizing so they have to settle for the blandest slop imaginable that makes sure you know how unproblematic and above bl labels it is. sad!
No.10258
>>10256lmao its incredible because I feel the complete opposite about straight women writing gay fiction. Their weakest point is the romance because sometimes it does feel a bit girly or whatever. Then again I've never been much into romance and more sex-driven, but do enjoy fluff if I like the characters.
No.10260
>>10259Maybe it's a yume telling other yumes that have her husbando to fuck off? I've heard before that apparently some yumes don't like when another yume has the same husbando as them.
No.10261
>>10259I tried searching what emoji the ship represented without luck because there's too many and specific emoji search doesn't work on twitter. From what I can tell though, even in chinese
>Person likes (sun) as bottom with anyone>Specially (umbrella/sun) unreversible>Doesn't like people yumeing (sun)>Doesn't like people who like (sun) as a top>Doesn't like people who like both bottom (sun) and top (sun) simultaneously,"omnivorous" basically refers to multishippers>I don't know what the last one means but probably that there's not many fixed shippers to begin withTheir bias is probably (sun) and they don't like yumes of him or people not liking him as a bottom.
The chinese is also in a very passive aggresive way of "die if you do (any of the other things mentioned)"
No.10262
>>10261>>10260It's a genshin fujo. Umbrella = Scaramouche and sun = Aether. She's just mad about Scara bottom shippers/headcanons which is a large part of Scara content lol. Tbh putting up warnings in your profile is harmless. She does go an extra mile with the colourful curses but i won't give mind to it unless her entire TL is rt/qrts of fighting other accounts.
No.10266
>>10265>>10265>I wonder what other fandoms are surprising popular in ChinaModern DMC fandom. Also, maybe not entirely chinese, but Orb (チ) is also most popular in Japan but absolutely nowhere in the west. The tag for Orb in ao3 is deserted while japan is thriving with fanworks.
No.10267
>>10265I remember laughing pretty hard when I found out how popular the social network (yes the Jesse Eisenberg movie) was with chinese fujos
No.10268
>>10265There's ~3.5k on ff.net, going back to 2001. Slam Dunk getting big again is funny to me because I exclusively associate it with fujos older than me (and I am mid 30s).
No.10269
>>10265It's probably Taiwan rather than just China. I had a Taiwanese friend as a teen who I met through Prince of Tennis fandom. She showed me that Taiwanese anime stores had SHIT LOADS of sports shounen merch.
>>10267My favorite is always old British comedies. You don't expect Yes Prime Minister yaoi, but you will have it in Mandarin. Similarly there's over 400 fics for Jeeves and Wooster in Russian, and without checking I'm sure they are all homosexual in nature.
No.10270
>>10265>>10268One of my formative shounen. I used to tape the episodes on vhs and replay all the Sakuragi/Rukawa moments over and over again. But later on I preferred Rukawa with Mitsui or Sendoh. And who could forget Kenji and Maki. And Mitsui and Kogure!
I'm sure I also liked the sport for a brief moment lol
No.10271
>>10270>3rd picI guess it's time to give it a serious watch/read this time, unlike my middle school self. I just finished my TeniPuri/ShinTeni rewatch/reread and I'm feeling empty and craving for more spokon but modern ones don't hit me the same.
If anons have other pre-2005 spokon reccs I'm all ears!
No.10272
>>10271Its been long years and tbh there wasnt much about him. Back then the most fanservice youd get was Hanamichi throwing the ball at Rukawas butt. But I remembered that pic well lol
No.10273
>>10272>There wasn't much of himI see. Do you mean he doesn't appear that much in the series or he just doesn't get fanart/fics?
If it's the later I don't mind, I find Rukawa cute too.
As for there being fujobait, I also don't care. As long as the dudes are attractive (to my eyes) and have interesting dynamics I'll find a way.
No.10275
>>10273>>10274I love all the characters and the humor from the series so far, Rukawa's really cute. I'm glad I'm able to read such a classic ♥
No.10279
>>10278Unironically this game would be much better if it was two brothers instead.
No.10280
>>10278I also clocked the creator as a woman when I first saw a YouTuber play it and was surprised to see so many people think the creator was a guy.
>>10279I would’ve been way more invested in the game if they were brothers.
No.10282
>>10279Never cared about this game but I agree I would have changed my stance and be interested if it had been between brothers
No.10285
>>10273Yeah they do have good dynamics between the guys and there are barely any female love interests so the fujobait wasn't all that necessary back then. Just good all around fun and rivalries between the guys that always made you want for more.
As far as Kenji, yeah he didn't get much airtime but he was memorable to me either way. I didn't have access to much beside sites hosted in geocities and newsgroups so I wonder how much fanart he has.
No.10287
>>10284>>10286Oh, well somehow the design and premise still doesn't appeal to me despite liking brocon stuff. Too bad the author made an improved version with the M/F pair.
No.10288
>>10283The biggest clue was definitely that Andrew is Japanese self-insert cute but the game is very obviously western. A western male dev would've made Andrew ugly due to artstyle or a femboy. And a TIM would've made them both girls or one of them a futa. And if a TIF made it, there'd be gender nonsense mixed in.
No.10290
>>10283Pretty sure bottom right is actually unironically a braindamaged retard.
No.10293
How stupid would it be trying to commission someone that isn't in your native language? There's a small Korean artist I'm following that makes fanart of my fav manga and they recently opened their comms. I want to support them but I'm anxious that the machine translation like DeepL will get something wrong. Should I just say fuck it and hope for the best; look for other alternatives in terms of translation; or just shut down the idea all together?
No.10294
>>10293If it's on skeb you shouldn't have any issues their translator is decent. I guess it would depend how specific you want to be, if you just mainly care about getting them to draw a specific character it shouldn't be an issue.
No.10295
>>10293>koreanpapago is supposedly better for KR-EN translations. you can put the translated KR text and original EN text together. if they're confused they can translate on their own too.
No.10296
>>10278I remember watching people argue about it on another site, and it was fairly obvious she was a woman. Even looking at the VNs she made before that, she'd made several fujo-adjacent games. I have zero interest in the game, and I think it's cringe, but I'm not sure why people thought she couldn't be a woman.
No.10297
LC is down. Hopefully what happened last time doesn’t happen this time.
No.10300
There's no thread for dreams?
I had a dream of an old famicom JRPG with yaoi story. The uke was a hero on a journey to defeat the evil seme. It was early yaoi type story where the seme rapes the uke who secretly likes it. The seme had long blue hair and dressed like JRPG character from that era with huge shoulder pads and a cape. You went through some cave dungeon and the seme appeared to taunt the uke along the way. they released a remake of it and I watched some dude moralfag about it on youtube and thought I gotta play it, so I downloaded the original. Woke up and was a bit disappointed it doesn't actually exist.
No.10301
>>10300>There's no thread for dreams?You could make one!
>old famicom JRPG with yaoi storyI wish there were more BL JRPGs. I'd even be satisfied with RPG Maker games…
No.10302
>>10300And now I'm disappointed that it doesn't exist either. Why did you do this, nonnaaaa
Maybe learn to make games or something!
No.10311
>>10301>I wish there were more BL JRPGsThere are BL RPG:s? I've been feeling like playing some RPG for a while, maybe that's why I had the dream.
>>10302kek sorry nonna
Unfortunately there's not much else for the story and designing an RPG seems complicated.
No.10313
>>10311>BL RPGsThey are usually small indie games you find on sites like freem! or dlsite. Freem! even has some rpg maker default asset games where the Harold character is an uke (usually). All untranslated of course, but with textractor I'm sure you can play them and understand them. The weird thing about Japanese indie games is that a lot of them have rules to not post about the game on an anonymous forum. So I'm a little wary about posting any specific games over here.
No.10314
>>10311Like the other nona said, I was mostly thinking of the sort of random indie games you find on Freem! or itch.io. On Steam, there is one called Beloved Rapture which I've been meaning to try. I haven't played it, so I have no idea if it's good or if it contains gendie shit, but it looks a little higher effort than most.
No.10322
>>10313>>10314Thanks anons! I'll look into those
No.10325
>>10324write it in japanese
No.10328
>>10324This is so cute. I’m gonna figure out how to make these and make this one.
No.10329
>>10328Thanks you
! Here's the pattern guide, 22x71, so it has 22 base strings. It seems complicated but thankfully there's a lot of videos online on how to read alpha patterns and what each arrow means (they're just the type of knot you need).
No.10331
Does anyone else have to take breaks from yaoi? Sometimes it becomes stale and doesn't excite me that much. When I start to feel that way I go on a "diet" where I basically don't engage with any fujo content. After awhile I want to seek out yaoi again, and go back to my fujo ways.
No.10332
>>10331I definitely have media cycle. Sometimes I burn really hot for a ship and live in the tag for a few weeks, eat all that's there or revisit the classics, then go back to my play/read/watch backlog. I'm currently cooling down on the fanfic part of the cycle and have a few regular books ready for when I tap out.
No.10333
>>10331>>10332I have cycles as well and series I frequently return to, but I'm a ride or die fujo, so no matter what series I'm into at the moment I'm only interested in engaging with BL fanworks of it.
No.10334
>>10331I'm always on fujo mode 24/7 but there are times where I cool off and at most like occasional BL/ships that drop on my timeline. During that I focus more on OC writing and going through my vidya backlog.
No.10336
>>10335Eh, not all of them have to have black hair.
I've read enough to welcome a little variety in design, even if its blonde elves.
No.10337
>>10335Western China penetrates pretty far into the Middle East, I vaguely remember those blond twins from Erha being from around whatever the Kyrgyzstan area was called in ancient China.
No.10338
>>10335Tbh that doesn't seem weird? Idk all anime characters have weird hair colors, I don't read a lot of Danmei but I'd assume they're just as detached from reality.
No.10339
>>10335Chinese Tocharians, please understand.
No.10342
>>10339>>10337I've seen that excuse but chinese tocharians were buddhists or followed an Iranic religion and had a culture similar to central asia then anything chinese,
No.10343
>>10331I don't actually consume much yaoi in general, unless I'm specifically in the mood for sex and romance. I just tend to watch normal media and usually a dynamic will spark my interest once more.
Ever since I was young I've found sex and romance to be off putting unless its between guys.
>>10335Cute. Is this BL?
No.10344
>>10343NTA but yes that's a BL danmei novel (The Husky and His White Cat Shizun)
No.10345
>>10344Nice. Are the twins also paired up or are they straight? When I looked up the image it described them as womanizers so I was immediately put off and made me ask about the series.
No.10350
this is completely random but does anyone have that image of a meme that is an anime girl going from happy -> jaded and depressed as she grows up? sometimes it gets edited to be the first impression of the internet with LOL 100 INTERNETS XD and then as more time spent on the internet it changes to pepes and smh tbh famalam etc. I swear I've seen it so many fucking times but I don't know how it's called and I can't fucking find it
No.10352
>>10351I miss the shiggy diggy era tbh.
No.10359
>>10351yes that's the one, thanks anon
>>10358it was simpler times, it was cringe then and it'd still be seen as cringe now but at least it was sincere in it's stupidity unlike modern ironic cynicism
No.10361
>>10360Same. I remember when internet wasn't ridden with open and aggressive bigotry in the 00's, sure there were "go back into the kitchen" and n-word jokes and the overall structural misogyny, racism and homophobia found everywhere but it wasn't as blatant and unapologetic as it is now and was often done as a sincere crude joke because as weird as it sounds to youngsters of today, imageboards used to be very liberal and left leaning then. I could sperg about gamergate all night and how detrimental it was to the society at large because I was there when it happened and saw how it was co-opted by actual nazis and white supremacist grifters like Milo Yiannopoulos (who used his supposed homosexuality as a shield all the time and now he's "reformed" as a straight man), but the less people know about the "movement" the better imo.
No.10362
>>10361To this day I don't know what Gamergate was about and neither do I care. And I've been a 4chan user since 2011.
>>10252>bl is an asian genreWhat other pantsu-on-head retarded takes does that user have?
No.10363
>>10357There are no star crossed lovers here, nonna
Unless someone has any BL examples? I prefer mine to have happy endings
No.10366
It will always be funny to me that Five nights at freddy's was made because a christian game dev was told his wholesome characters were creepy. It's just the way that he struck gold pretty much on accident.
No.10375
>>10374What's the worst that could happen if you shared them here for others to help you out? Just do it, don't think about it too much.
No.10376
>>10375I have shared a few in the writing thread, I'm actually working on another now which is what's prompting my frustration since I can just tell I'm not getting my mental image properly articulated.
No.10383
>>10382It is a bit of an odd choice. I love me the classic experienced older man with a younger man kind of relationship. But even being the older man or a warrior does not exempt you from bottom lel
I still prefer the original dynamic. But honestly it would have been even better if it had been Set/Osiris and made them both verse.
No.10384
>>10383you can have incest, since they are gods and even male gods in egyptian myths gave, although it is difficult to say which elements of egyptian mythology that are recorded were meant as serious religious texts and which were jokes/satire, there are many ancient egyptian texts that were in fact just dirty jokes like this
>The god Baba got up and said to Pre-Harakhti: "Your shrine is empty!'" Then Pre-Harakhti felt offended by the answer given him, and he lay down on his back, his heart very sore. Then the Ennead came out, shouting loudly at Baba and saying to him: "Go away; you have committed a very great crime!" And they went to their tents. The great god spent a day lying on his back in his pavilion, his heart very sore and he was alone. After a long while, Hathor, Lady of the southern sycamore, came and stood before her father, the All-Lord. She uncovered her nakedness before him; thereupon the great god laughed at her. He got up and sat with the great Ennead; and he said to Horus and Seth: "Speak for yourselves!" No.10385
>>10384Thanks for sharing but you lost me with that story.
No.10388
>>10362from what I can tell gamergate was a scandal where a female game developer slept with a game journalist for a good review. idc about gamergate itself but I think it contributed to censorship on Reddit and the cancerous internet we have today
No.10389
>>10385A god is depressed because he has few followers so a goddess strips naked for him and improves his mood, I think a better example in the same story would have been where seth raped horus. there's a scene where the two gods transform into hippos and fight in the nile. horus's mother Isis, tries to use a harpoon to help horus but accidentally hits him with it. scenes like this have convinced some historians that this particular version was written as a crude parody.
No.10390
>>10389Oh ok but regardless I personally have an aversion to het incest, and in particular father/daughter. Its just not for me.
I do have some knowledge on Set/Horus since I would try to find as many gay myths as I could when I was young.
Thanks anyway.
No.10391
>>10390It's not actual incest; the gods are supposed to represent aspectual concepts, so horus represents egypt, but specifically the egyptian pharaoh, and seth represents the barbarians. that's why Seth can have both black skin (referring to the nubians) and light skin (referring to the berbers), because he is the manifestation of egypt's enemies.
No.10392
>>10391I thought Seth was just a representative of lower Egypt, not an enemy of all Egypt. Regardless, its fine I'm not here to discuss ancient mythology (there's a better thread for that). We were just talking about MLM dynamics.
No.10393
>>10392The point is that it's a odd decision, like you said older males can be bottoms, but seth isn't just older, seth actually did rape horus in the telling and horus is described as physically weaker compared to seth, so it's bizarre the author just ignored that
No.10395
>>10391That's a very Middle Kingdom interpretation. Seth wasn't god of the foreigners in the the predynastic and Old kingdom.
No.10396
>>10393Im almost certain the story went that Seth asked Horus to wait for him in bed and Horus asked his mother's advice what to do and she told him to do it so that he could catch his semen.
There is no rape if he willilingly goes and it was also intercrural sex.
Repeating that he was raped is wrong, which doesnt seem to be your only time in this thread. Give it a rest already.
No.10397
I draw a lot of NSFW of my OTP and I had to stop showing it to one of my friends because she always made it weird and started commenting stuff like "I wish that was me being fucked like that by the seme" and "I wish I was in place of the uke" girl I don't want to hear it! I guess I'm flattered that she thinks the porn I make is hot but I always felt uncomfortable hearing it because the OTP is so important to me and I don't want to separate them or mix in my friend's sexual fantasies nor hear them to begin with. Other people comment on how I portrayed them both and that I enjoy a lot but please don't start talking about yourself in between them or other bizarre crap like that.
No.10398
Due to local regulations there's certain gacha games that are unavailable in my region and I can't be bothered to jump through hoops to try these games out. I'm torn between being annoyed at how my country is being petty about digital gambling even though real casinos exist here and the feeling of "Well it's fine cause I shouldn't be wasting my time on gacha games anyway." Guess it comes down to me not being entirely immune to FOMO when seeing people around me having fun with Pokemon masters ex and the horse girl game.
No.10399
>>10398It's frustrating when there's so much good art and fanworks for those games. You can take solace in the fact that almost all of them have a "wall" and are designed to force money after a while. I totally get the FOMO though, it'd be better if more people were spending time on non-gacha games lol.
No.10400
>>10398At least for Masters you can just watch all the story cutscenes on Youtube if you care about that. The only thing you're really missing out on is being able to make a photo of your OTP kissing in a children's game and risk getting banned. The social interaction aspect is almost non existent compared to other gachas.
That, and the 3d model viewer makes it a pretty solid art reference for some of the more stupid hairstyles in the franchise.
No.10401
>>10396There is a version where Seth was the seducer and Horus agreed. He talks about Horus' ass and thighs. I bet anon doesn't know that they were switches and that it's in the pyramid texts kek
No.10403
>>10402This has to be a troll, it's way too facetiously overboard with the schizoposting.
No.10404
>>10402>>10403Way too on the nose lel
I was looking at art of this pairing yesterday and thought they look really good in either order. But saw too many tragic ones, boo ;(
No.10406
I like to come up with little scenarios in my head sometimes about my nendos interacting and infighting/playing amongst each other.
Anyone else do this with their figures or nah
No.10408
>>10401>There is a version where Seth was the seducer and Horus agreedWhat are you talking about? we only have one version from the chester beatty papyri, did you mean a different translation?
No.10410
Wanting to browse fc on holiday but don't want the CP spam turning up on the rental's wifi so I'm forced to use my phone data, rip.
>>10397That shit always messes with me, and I get where people misunderstand the boundary of it. When I write lewd greentext type comments it's always acting
upon the character, but when people talk about being acted upon themselves it's suddenly forcing people to think of their real ningen body in a compromising and intimate position. Had one girl who'd always reply with shit talking about her body and it was the biggest turn off I've ever experienced, and I don't think she understood because I was okay with "ywn bend him over the kitchen counter and stick a cucumber up him, why live" kind of comments that
sound like POV self insertion, but are easily mob/other character proxy actions. If they're not fujominded they don't assume the same as me that a nondescript actor or character is doing it on my behalf, they don't realize you can't stomach literally them, a 3D entity.
Also saying that to a known OTP is downright rude, beyond just misunderstanding mental boundaries, that's disregarding one half of someone's efforts to represent a couple. The uke is not a mindless husk, you are characterizing them both and both should be respected.
>>10398Master sex is a massive time sink if you want to complete dailies for free gems, and the gacha part can be horrendously bad odds for faves, not to mention so many events lately you can't collect the rewards without having rolled the specific unit of that event. The story cutscenes are often just serviceable excuses for costumes and new battles to use stamina on, so you really aren't missing much. It's much better to look up characters you want to see on youtube and check if there was any dialogue worth seeing, otherwise it's very, very repetitive.
Lodge interactions too, you only gleam so much extra info on a character's preferences by their reactions, and then it's a daily chore you can't give a shit about.
>>10406I pose my plushies like they're squabbling over snacks or hiding around the house…
No.10411
>>10410>I pose my plushies like they're squabbling over snacks or hiding around the house…That's so cute please post
No.10413
>>10410>Master sex is a massive time sink if you want to complete dailies for free gems, and the gacha part can be horrendously bad odds for faves, not to mention so many events lately you can't collect the rewards without having rolled the specific unit of that event. The story cutscenes are often just serviceable excuses for costumes and new battles to use stamina on, so you really aren't missing much. It's much better to look up characters you want to see on youtube and check if there was any dialogue worth seeing, otherwise it's very, very repetitive.I agree the game is super repetitive, but the daily 80 gems is only a few minutes if you just do the bare minimum (dump stamina into something + orb area + daily scout), I don't play other gachas but I thought it wasn't that bad compared to what I've heard about others. And you can collect event rewards, it just takes more days of stamina dumping if you're stuck with only 1.2x characters. Not that it's really worth it on the new style of events because I don't want the exclusive items for characters I'm never going to use + the important stuff (coins) is in the battle challenges anyway.
Tangent but I really wish Lodge was better. Just 2 stories per character is weirdly low and the images you get all look traced over the 3d models but with wonky as fuck proportions. There's only a small handful that look half decent.
But also the struggle where you both want and don't want your fave guys in Lodge because the yumebait makes you uncomfortable but you'll get the free new pair. At least it's a kids game so they call it 'friendship' and (You)r character is a 10 year old and doesn't exist outside this game…
No.10424
"To say that straight men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage in sex (fucking exclusively with the other sex, i.e., women). All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire… those are, overwhelmingly, other men. In their relations with women, what passes for respect is kindness, generosity or paternalism; what passes for honor is removal to the pedestal. From women they want devotion, service and sex.
Heterosexual male culture is homoerotic; it is man-loving."
Marilyn Frye, from her book The Politics of Reality: Essays in Feminist Theory
No.10426
>>10420Didn't the writer also release a spin-off that was like actual yaoi? I haven't gotten around to reading it yet, but it's on my list.
No.10427
>>10399>>10400>>10410Honestly in the end I'm just gonna let go of my FOMO cause it's fine this way. When it launched there was a point where I considered trying out Persona 5 the phantom X but then I decided against it and today the algo sent me a video where someone's review was basically "This is just a rehashed slop version of Persona 5" which actually isn't surprising to hear at all. The same video inspired me to get rid of Infinity nikki cause in the long run I could do better than that too if I want a cozy open world game.
No.10430
>>10410>Also saying that to a known OTP is downright rude, beyond just misunderstanding mental boundaries, that's disregarding one half of someone's efforts to represent a couple. The uke is not a mindless husk, you are characterizing them both and both should be respected.Nonna you get it. I felt like a schizo being so offended over those comments that she probably meant as compliments but she's essentially treating the bottom as an interchangeable object rather than the second half of an established couple that I'm really invested in and that hurt my feelings.
>I pose my plushies like they're squabbling over snacks or hiding around the house…That's so adorable kek
No.10435
>>10426ayrt
yes she did, 3 of them i think, theyre all pretty good but i might be biased because i really like her other works awswell
No.10455
>>10443she's hasn't spoken anything for or against troonism, but her work has been included in various tra websites, something they'd need her permission to link
No.10458
>>10097rereading harry potter and randomly got the flustered "i ship them" energy attack when reading about harry and ron's fight… lol
No.10472
>>10458Harry/Ron have a lot of potential for shipping especially with a jealousy angle if you factor in Ginny or Hermione though I've always been a basic bitch Draco/Harry fan.
No.10474
>>10472Love both. Can't decide if Harry x Draco or Draco x Harry is hotter. I'm leaning towards Draco getting noncon'd by Harry and getting humiliated by taking dick from his rival. Or maybe them falling in love against their will without any whumping. Angsty Cedric x Harry is good too. But now I'm kinda fujoing out and want Ron and Harry to get married. Or maybe Draco and Harry. My heart is confused. Ron and Draco?! kek
I can't get enough of sex pollen scenarios where a love potion explodes on Draco (or Ron) and Harry and then have sex but become horrified at what they did in heat… I want to write my own now even that's been done so many times before that it's practically its own subgenre kek.
Maybe I'll insert my own fetishes in to stand out No.10477
With that anti-porn radfem group's lobbying continuing to fuck shit up with payment processors, I'm worrying about Ao3 because they rely on donations from users to stay up.
No.10478
>>10477I'm hoping the donation status is what protects it. Right now it seems like the payment processors have issues with the exchange of money for a pornographic product. The OTW (which is what the donation is to) is a big umbrella that includes Ao3, so maybe that will obfuscate it for a while. I'm always a little anxious whenever this payment processor stuff comes up because you know there is somebody out there waiting to rat Ao3 out to the government like those insane yumes did in China. Every time the donation link is up on the site people cry about it.
No.10479
>>10474Not into Harry Potter but I like the fics where they either make Cedric and Edward from Twilight into a couple or make them the same person
Ironic that I have yet to see it with Winslow (the lighthouse) or Bruce because those were the most homo roles I’ve seen Robert Pattinson in…
No.10480
>>10477As much as I appreciate swerfs and anti-porn radfems for being against the mainstream porn industry that exploits women, I hate how so many of them refuse to realize that it’s unfortunately not a black and white issue because eventually smut books and books with taboo subjects will be targeted because once you give an inch they take a mile, they need look no further than China and how they’re targeting women that write danmei. I think ao3 will be fine for now though like
>>10478 said because of its status. But for non-Americans (maybe even non-New Yorkers in general), I don’t think we’re far from seeing bans of ao3 in other countries if it gets put on blast in front of government officials. And I can only hope ao3 never requires an ID verification to access like mainstream live action porn sites in my state require.
No.10482
>>10480>not a black and white issueIt's why I can't support them even though I have pretty draconian opinions about 3DPD sex. Once the ball gets rolling it's going to roll over the harmless stuff (drawings, literature) because the gooners who sense that they are going to lose access to 3DPD material and puritans who want it all gone are not going to let 2d escape.
No.10483
>>10472>>10474Insane the one time I check fujochan I see a convo about my current hyperfixation, anyways the only thing I've been doing is reading harry x draco fanfic and spending the past couple months saving fanart I personally love
I personally don't ship harry/ron however i can see and understand it because Harry basically canonically marries a genderbent version of his best friend, very funny to me
I love fics that mention how Cedric is harry or dracos gay awakening, i can see it
When I'm not fujo'ing out over drarry I'm being autistic about their sons Albus/Scorpius, I don't know if anyone has watched the play or read the book but they're sickeningly faggoty, I love them
A guilty pleasure of mine is combinations of either Albus/Draco or Harry/Scorpius
anyways I'm filled to the brim with fic recs if anyone gaf, otherwise I enjoy yapping lol
No.10484
>>10480>, I hate how so many of them refuse to realize.Nonny, no. These groups are all right-wing puritans wearing feminist trenchcoats, they ALSO want porn aimed at women to disappear.
No.10485
>>10483>Albus/Scorpius, I don't know if anyone has watched the play or read the book but they're sickeningly faggoty, I love them A guilty pleasure of mine is combinations of either Albus/Draco or Harry/Scorpius
I haven't read cursed child but I've vicariously learned about them from Darry fics lol. Is it worth checking out outside of just ship context?
>I love fics that mention how Cedric is harry or dracos gay awakening, i can see it So do you like GoF being the starting point of the relationship or do you picture a different book? Personally I like the idea of Draco having an immediate crush during the first book and being miffed Harry doesn't return his offer of friendship, but I don't have a strong preference for when the two should get together. I've seen plenty of post-canon fics now where the get together after one of their wives dies/divorces them and I've been enjoying those.
No.10489
>>10485
>Is it worth checking out outside of just ship context?hrmmmm, I've read both the book and watched the play, I have complicated feelings for it, I personally like it but I know everyone and their mother hates cursed child People hate Albus's teenage angst with his father and people dislike the way Harry is written, I personally like it, but I'm a sucker for a trope where a father is lost and doesn't know how to deal with a kid who hates him. I think the Scorpius/Albus yaoi is very very good in it, in the play the actors want them to be canon but can't so they'll do tight lingering hugs that look like a near fake out kiss, adjusting eachothers ties while saying 'see you at dinner', and rubbing their foreheads together. I read it for fujo reasons and was content with what I was given.
>So do you like GoF being the starting point of the relationship or do you picture a different book?For me personality I like them getting together after school happens when they're adults, all my fav fics are based in post canon. I'm fatigued from fics of them getting together during school because my stupid ass back to back read a 600k fic and then a 1.2million word fic during that era lmfao
>I like the idea of Draco having an immediate crush during the first book and being miffed Harry doesn't return his offer of friendshipDraco is so fucking funny, he gets rejected once and then makes it everybody's problem for 7 years