No.3970
I'll start with Hyacinthus.
He was so beautiful that three Gods fell in love with him at once: Zephyrus, the God of the West wind, Boreas, the God of the North wind, Apollo, the God of the sun, and some random human named Thamyris.
Anyway, Hya-kun had great taste and decided to roll with Apollo, clearly the most attractive seme. Apollo loved him so much he hung out with him on Earth. Presumably they screwed a lot. One day they were playing with a discus and Apollo threw it so hard he split the clouds, and when Hya-kun went to catch it, Jealous Zephyrus blew a wind to send it off course; it killed Hya-kun. Probably instantly.
Apollo wept. He had a flower bloom from Hya-kun's blood, the hyacinth. Later on, he resurrected him, but I think that ruins the story.
Anyway, post gay myths. They don't have to be Greek.
No.3973
>>3972As they should. Enkidu x Gilgamesh is trash. I hope she gets her copper from Ea-Nasir for having such garbage taste
No.3974
>>3973True everyone knows Enkidu is a total bottom I mean why else would the goddess send him to Gilgamesh? I just don't get ExG shippers.
No.3975
>>3971It contains many good elements IMO. The taming of the wild beast man, the enemies to lovers trope, the sole guy that is equal to the king, the close friendship that includes the deepest from of comradeship as well as romantic elements and the relationship and following tragic death that trigger a breakdown that is eventually followed by a massive growth and character development.
And it's one of the earliest stories of humanity and one that influenced the Illiad, Odyssey and the myth of Heracles. Fujos don't need to win because they won before anything else even existed.
>>3972Funny trivia: the earliest known named author is most likely Enheduanna, an Akkadian high priestess. And Babylonian porn (this actually exists) was always written by women too as far as we can tell.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were women shipping back then even if they didn't write it down or if the scriptures aren't preserved. I read a bunch of private letters from fathers to their daughters that suggest that women of wealthier families often ended up leaving the hometown to join the class of priestesses and learn to write and read. It seems like literary fiction was mostly written by women.
There is even a "female" version of Sumerian, the Emesal dialect. It suggests that women wrote enough poetry and literary texts to coin their own dialect or that certain classes of women were at least involved enough to form a own one. It's basically poetic language.
Bar keepers were also women btw.
No.3976
>>3974>>3973Enkidu topping Gilgamesh is the world's oldest omegaverse and you WILL respect that. J2 kinkmeme? No. The amount of clay ancient fujoshi used to render Enkidu's first rut with Gilgamesh could have housed the entire population of Uruk twice over. You are letting FGO dilute canon! You deserve they/them Enkidu!!!
>>3970Horus and Set are super fruity.
No.3977
>>3976kys ExG fag. Enlil should've drowned your family in that goddamn flood. You don't deserve Lord Enki's mercy.
Speaking of Enki, not exactly yaoi, but he was one of the first examples of mpreg in myth. Set as well!
I like to think it was a priestess who immortalized those words and made her Horus x Set fanfic canon by putting it all over some dead moid's mausoleum walls.
No.3978
>>3977I always lowkey shipped Enki/Enlil, they are the typical pair of the haughty, pessimistic lawful main antagonist who is blind to his own weaknesses until they come back to bite him in the ass (see the flood myth) and the optimistic rival that enjoys hanging out with the plebeians that the first would love to get rid of. Enki deserves to win and turn the tables around by showing that guy what fun is.
No.3979
Didn’t read Mesopotamian myths but played vn inspired by there were canon Shamash/Enlil antagonist duo having some history with musician ||who is one of the LIs||. Enjoyed every time they showed up. They were so unapologetically evil couple, Shamash even tried to kill musician with himself so Enlil would met with them both in afterlife simply because Enlil loved raping him lol
No.3980
A lot of you probably know this one since it's such a classic, but for those that don't:
>In the last years BCE, Emperor Ai was enjoying a daytime nap. He was in his palace, in Chang’an, hundreds of miles inland, wearing a traditional long-sleeved robe. Lying on one of his sleeves was a young man in his 20s, Dong Xian, also asleep. So tender was the emperor’s love for this man that, when he had to get up, instead of waking his lover, he cut off the sleeve of his robe.
>This story of the cut sleeve spread throughout the court, leading the emperor’s courtiers to cut one of their own sleeves as tribute.
>Ai bestowed Dong Xian with the highest titles and ten thousand piculs of grain per year. Everyone in Dong Xian’s family benefitted from the emperor’s patronage; Dong Xian’s father was named the marquis of Guannei and everyone in Dong Xian’s household, including his slaves, received money.
>When Emperor Ai died in 1 BCE, he wanted to leave the kingdom to his beloved Dong Xian.
The End
No.3981
>>3978Honestly, I see it. Especially with Enki trolling Enlil all the time. It's a great ship
No.3982
>>3980I've never heard of this but it's so romantic. It would be even better if the love was one-sided. One of my favorite things is doting old men and their careless, bratty young lovers. And it's even better on top of that if they're not lovers at all, just an obsessive man chasing a young man who's stringing him along.
No.3984
Achilles x Patroclus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_and_Patroclus
>Homer never explicitly casts the two as lovers,[1][2] but they were depicted as lovers in the archaic and classical periods of Greek literature, particularly in the works of Aeschylus, Aeschines and Plato.[3][4] Gay.
>He laments Patroclus' death using language very similar to the grief of Hector's wife. He also requests that when he dies, his bones be mixed with Patroclus' in a vase.[a]Gay.
>In Athens, the relationship was often viewed as being loving and pederastic.[8] Gay.
>In Plato's Symposium, written c. 385 BC, the speaker Phaedrus holds up Achilles and Patroclus as an example of divinely approved lovers. Phaedrus argues that Aeschylus erred in claiming Achilles was the erastes because Achilles was more beautiful and youthful than Patroclus (characteristics of the eromenos) as well as more noble and skilled in battle (characteristics of the erastes).[17][18] Instead, Phaedrus suggests that Achilles is the eromenos whose reverence of his erastes, Patroclus, was so great that he would be willing to die to avenge him.[18]Gay.
>Aeschines, at his trial in 345 BC, placed an emphasis on the importance of paiderasteia to the Greeks, argues that though Homer does not state it explicitly, educated people should be able to read between the lines: "Although (Homer) speaks in many places of Patroclus and Achilles, he hides their love and avoids giving a name to their friendship, thinking that the exceeding greatness of their affection is manifest to such of his hearers as are educated men."[19] Gay.
No.3985
The myths about Orestes are an underrated mythological source of fujo material. There are a lot of plays written about him. We all know about Agamemnon during the Trojan War; he was the king who sacrificed his daughter, Iphigenia, and was killed by his wife Clytemnestra and her lover when he returned home with Cassandra. Well, Orestes is the other part of that story. He and his sister, Electra, end up conspiring to kill Clytemnestra and her lover to avenge his father (in the most popular depiction of this myth, he does so under the orders of Apollo). After committing this murder, because it's a big no-no in Ancient Greece to kill your parents, he's pursued by the erinyes. Regardless, the myth ends with Athena setting up a legal trial to determine if Orestes should be punished for what he did. The fujo material comes from another character, Pylades. Pylades and Orestes have this incredibly close bond because they were raised together, and it's clear in the majority of depictions I've read that their interactions are built on like this implicit trust between them. Pylades plays a really important role as Orestes's main ally and support system, I guess? The romantic interpretation of their relationship was pretty supported by the Romans later on. There's multiple plays depicting the myth, but I think Euripides's play, Orestes, is the most homoerotic. Anne Carson has a really good translation of three different playwrights' depictions of different parts of the myth, which she combines together in a way that flows really well. It features the aforementioned Euripides play.
No.4003
>>3985"I'll take care of you"
"It's rotten work"
"not to me. Not if it's you"
aghhhhhh *rips all the hair out of my head and combusts into flames* it's perfect holy shit
No.4106
Not an explicitly gay myth, but I wish The Bacchae would get a modern adaptation or retelling. It would be popular among fujos; there's no changing my mind on this. The Bacchae is a play by Euripides about Dionysus going to Thebes. There, he encounters the king, a young man named Pentheus, who becomes infuriated with Dionysus, and outlaws Dionysus's worship. Pentheus proceeds to chain the god to a bull, only for Dionysus to break free. What follows is Pentheus's descent into madness and obsession as Dionysus repeatedly evades his control. Pentheus is extremely fixated on Dionysus, whereas Dionysus just enjoys fucking with him. Their conflict is portrayed as order versus chaos, but the play's events reveal that Pentheus isn’t as orderly and morally upstanding as he’d like to think. Dionysus brings out the worst in Pentheus, which leads to Pentheus’s eventual downfall.
The whole play is basically Dionysus mentally tormenting this man until he breaks down. Dionysus helps Pentheus crossdress to spy on the Bacchae, which results in Pentheus’s super grisly death- one of my favorite deaths in all of mythology. Again, the myth isn’t explicitly gay, but there is SO MUCH shipping potential here, and the way they talk to each other is very easy to interpret through a fujo lens. If there were an adaptation with them as pretty anime boys, everyone would see my vision. The pretty anime boy thing isn’t as much of a stretch as it sounds- Pentheus is supposed to be a young man, and Dionysus is often portrayed as a youthful, attractive man (yes, there are other portrayals, but the younger version is more common, and it’s the one the play uses). The sculpture I’ve attached to this post is a Roman copy of a Hellenistic sculpture (more Roman versions of Greek sculptures exist today solely because the Greek ones were made of bronze, which means that they often got melted down due to bronze’s utility and value. We have fewer than 30 surviving bronze originals, but the Roman copies are faithful).
I almost posted this in the rarepair thread, but this felt more fitting. I'm sorry if this isn't the appropriate place, and I'm sorry for the long, boring post about a play nobody but me cares about. There’s almost no fan art of these two, and there’s very little ancient art of Pentheus outside of when he’s being killed.
No.4108
>>4106What a gem, nona! Thank you for sharing, I want to read it.
No.4118
>>4106This reads almost like a Coyote vs Roadrunner cartoon. I love it. Thanks for the rec!
No.4119
>>4106This post made me so happy, nonna. I read this story in Latin class and I was shipping it. I think there is some fic for Pentheus/Dionysus out there, recently even.
I also shipped Aeneas/Turnus.
No.4332
>>4119>I also shipped Aeneas/Turnusnayrt but nonnie nonnie nonnie nonnie!!!!!!!! im obsessed with The Aeneid!!! I love this ship too. Aeneas/Pallas is also cute; some scholars think that Vergil wrote them as lovers. Honestly so much conflict could have been avoided in The Aeneid if Aeneas just made a harem with italian royals lol. Other potential ships are obviously Nisus/Euryalus, who intentionally were written as a couple. There is also Turnus/Pallas, if you're into darker stuff. I read that the scene where Turnus kills Pallas may or may not have some parallels to rape. I have only read a few parts of the Aeneid in the original Latin; otherwise, I have read translations. I think when my current term is over, I'm going to read the whole story in latin and make my own translation. My latin is bad, but I'm determined to do it because I love the story so much. Unfortunately I can't find much fan content for The Aeneid.
Sometimes I envy people whose primary interest is in Greek myths. Not only do they have active fandoms, they also have plenty of Renaissance artwork that depicts their favorite myths No.4499
>>3970I don't know why we don't have more homoerotic myths with Apollo. He's supposed to be handsome he should have been breeding ground for gay stories.
>>3977>Set as wellShould have been a whole epic about Set and Horus' (homo)adventures.
>>3980Wasn't this about a cat instead? I swear I've read both versions but the cat makes more sense to me.
No.4502
>>4499>ApolloI think the lack of him is due to a lot of modern retellings using him as an antagonist. Like Lore Olympus made him Persephone’s ex rapist or something. He’s got a bad rep in modern times despite having only one bad myth that could honestly be read as not that bad.
No.4506
>>4502Kind of a weird one to single out as "bad" for that reason, I'd have figured Zeus himself would be the easy Greek god to play the villian if you are going by terrible deeds.
No.4509
>>4506I decided to look into it more and apparently it was really only Lore Olympus that smeared Apollo’s reputation so badly. And that combined with popular retellings (earlier Percy Jackson) having Apollo be kinda an asshole didn’t help. Like it’s bad to the point of people that are fans of Lore Olympus have sent harassment and threats towards people that practice Hellenism. Zeus and Hera definitely still get a lot of hate and do often get villain roles. Apollo just got the short end of the stick for being the main antagonist in one of the most popular retellings of the Hades and Persephone myth. Like a lot of people who get interested in Greek Mythology because of Lore Olympus will have a bad image of Apollo even if they find out that Apollo is arguably one of the least rapey of all the male Greek gods.
No.4512
>>4509This makes me wonder what peoples introduction to the Greek myths are in the first place and what effecf that will have on their perception of the gods. For me it was "Greek Myths for Young Children" by Heather Amery, so no rape and a very simple good vs evil view of them. I imagine for a lot of people it's Percy Jackson which is fun, and I like how most of the gods are some flavor of awful in their own ways.
No.4513
>>4502WTF????? As someone who has loved myths from different cultures since she was a kid, I don't get these 'modern retellings'. They seem to lack the worldview, understanding, and culture that made the myths fun in the first place. This is why I've left off of playing Hades, MC looks hot, but the Greek culture stuff seems very superficial.
Apollo is a shiny fucking beacon of homo :( Why the _fuck_ is he not venerated as such? I read these myths as a kid as previously stated, this guy is far from a 'bad guy', it baffles me honestly.
>>4512For me, it was D'Aulaires' Book of Greek Myths. No rape, very fairy-tale-y, which made it feel a bit ethereal and timeless. Worthy of a certain respect, if that makes sense. Not that people should respect their blorbos, but it feels ultra strange when people just up and ignore the OG canon context, where is a huge part of the fun for me as a historyfag.
No.4515
>>4513Well the thing is that these myths of old have been reworked throughout the centuries across continents so nothing is set in stone as far as stories and characters go.
Apollo might get conflated with Apollyon/Hyperion, which is a far cry from the youthful Apollo most of us are usually initially exposed to, for example.
No.4517
>>4512My introduction was Disney’s Hercules and I still have a subconscious anti-Hades bias from it. I imagine the people that get into Greek Mythology through Lore Olympus will have an inherent anti-Apollo bias which means that any future fujos that grow up on Lore Olympus will probably not be interested in Apollo. In fact apparently Hermes and Thanatos is the big gay ship in Lore Olympus’s fandom
they aren’t canonical in Lore Olympus as far as I’m aware. So I wouldn’t be surprised if a story about them getting together becomes a popular retelling eventually.
>>4513I like Apollo too for his homo potential. I’ve long been waiting for the day his myth with Hyacinth gets adapted.
>HadesThe artstyle puts me off tbh
No.4519
>>4513>>4517>This is why I've left off of playing Hades, MC looks hot, but the Greek culture stuff seems very superficial.It's actually a really good game and I'd rec it for it's own merits regardless of theme if you like rougelikes; it has canon homo too. It wouldn't say it's surface level the greek setting and theme are important, but it does feel modern. They've got the essence of each god and they aren't smoothed over per say, but the way of talking and tone of characters doesn't feel very ancient or godlike.
Great fanfiction and art in general too :p
No.4560
What are some good non-Greek myths to check out?
No.4561
>>4560Horus and Set (Egyptian) are pretty fruity.
No.4655
>>4502>>4513Apollo is one of my favourite gods and I was surprised to learn that he was unpopular even amongst the classics students I know. I guess that in some way Apollo represents many virtues that were expected from youths, so he comes off as perfect at first glance, and that's why some people subconsciously categorizes him as some kind of "jock". While I don't mind modern retellings, I never saw the appeal in them tbh. Most of them are just boring on their own, or they feel unepic compared to the myths. But I really dislike when people try to categorize the gods into american high school tropes like the jock, the mean girl, the rebel, etc. it feels superficial.
At least the ~problematic~ myths tells us something about the human condition or about or our primary fears. Modern retellings just want to turn everything into tropes.
Speaking of problematic myths, the most famous Apollo story is Ovid's version of the Daphne myth. I hear many people bring it up when asked why they don't like Apollo. It is an interesting story. If looking at it from a modern lens, It can be read as a tragedy where both Apollo and Daphne are mind altered.
It is also a reflection of a patriarchal society, where girls were expected to get married whenever they wanted to or not. We can't possibly know how people in ancient time interacted with such stories. Were they cautionary tales for young girls? Were they told to install the proper virtues into young girls? Or did young girls use them to cope with their grief over their lost childhoods? Was it just dark comedy?
It's important to mention that the Ovid version of the Daphne myth was most likely made up as political propaganda, so it's hard to say if the romans really believed the virtues reflected in the story, so it's unfair to judge Apollo based on that single story.
FURTHERMORE most myth were allegorical so they should not be taken literally. There also isn't a canon for the greek and the roman gods, and different regions had different myths. People at that time were probably more preoccupied with what virtues the gods represented (like fertility, chastity, strength, wisdom, etc.) and what they who they were patrons of, rather than worrying about what problematic actions the gods did.
No.4657
>>4655>he was unpopular even amongst the classics students I knowIf it's any comfort, that wasn't my experience at all. I personally like him for his associations with plagues and the way people's relationship with him as a figure influenced Athens during the Peloponnesian War (as well as all the other influences his worship had on society). The people I know feel similarly, and they appreciate him for how influential he is on the history/architecture/culture. I'm sorry if this isn't super detailed; I don't want to start rambling about this on a yaoi imageboard kek.
>that's why some people subconsciously categorizes him as some kind of "jock". I also hate those retellings, and I agree with how it influences people's opinion of him. There's also a weird hypocrisy in people's interpretation of the Hades/Persephone myth, as people online are more lenient toward it (yes, I know there are sympathetic depictions, but there's a surplus of art which portrays it as an unpleasant experience for Persephone). It probably comes from a desire to see Hades as a misunderstood, brooding emo boy, whereas Apollo seems too "perfect" to be misunderstood. I don't know if this makes any sense, but I believe the "Hades is actually a good guy" people just want to feel like they've made some grand discovery because their first exposure to Greek mythology was the Disney Hercules movie. I like Hades, but I get annoyed with people online who like him; they seem to misunderstand the actual purpose of the Greek pantheon and what he represents in that context.
>People at that time were probably more preoccupied with what virtues the gods represented This is almost certainly true. It's interesting how much of Greek mythology is derived from the depressing conditions of Greek society. That's why so many of the myths are dependent on fate, and even their afterlife is pretty depressing. In most of Greek mythology, humans are at the mercy of their gods because that's probably how living there felt. Most of the gods and myths were meant to be allegorical in nature. The myth of Hippolytus is so interesting to me because it is an illustration of ancient attitudes toward male celibacy vs female celibacy. Likewise, a topic I don't see discussed often is how almost all of the virgin goddesses have some sort of 'male' element to them that separates them from the typical woman's role.
I'm sorry if I'm all over the place. I liked your post, and I think many modern mythological adaptations are divorced from the myths' initial purpose and cultural context, which is why I don't connect with them.
No.4659
>>4655>that's why some people subconsciously categorizes him as some kind of "jock"Really? The last thing I would think of him is as a jock.
He's pretty fruity, dabbles in music and healing and being beautiful youth.
No.4688
>>4659Your post made me want to arrange them into archetypes.
>JockZues
Posidon
Hephaestus
Ares
Kratos
Zephyrus
>PrepEros
Pan
Hermes
Dionysus
>NerdApollo
Prometheus
Hades
Thanatos
Momus
Charon
No.4689
Does anyone have any yaoi fanfics or works that feature the bible archangels?
No.4692
Speaking of the Bible, I can’t wait for modern retellings of biblical myths to start appearing in mainstream. Like currently we got Supernatural (which ended), but I wanna see the trashy High School AUs, Superhero AUs, Hidden Magic School AUs, etc. Greek, Norse, Arthurian, and eastern mythos have them in mainstream media. Are the abrahamic religions just too modern for people to write trashy versions of bible stories without thinking it’s cringe?
No.4693
>>4692More like nobody wants the attention of bible thumpers who are still very real, numerous and always watching and ready to get upset.
No.4694
>>4693Oh yeah. I kinda forget they exist despite the fact that my mom’s one of them. I suppose bible thumpers are also a reason why you don’t see a lot of catholic priest yaoi either. And even though the other mythologies I mentioned have their own “bible” thumpers, the abrahamic ones have a much larger size and are a lot more vocal. I wish I had the money and power to fund a mainstream yaoi takeover of the Bible.
No.4695
>>4694>why you don’t see a lot of catholic priest yaoi eitherI can't think of any priest yaoi that ISN'T Catholic. Japan loves the aesthetic and it's the only one they use.
No.4696
>>4695I figured that in terms of numbers, buddhism and shinto yaoi reign supreme in Japan. Pretty much every other historical Japanese yaoi manga is religious. I was also mostly talking about literature like novels and not just manga.
No.4698
>>4690No, no, not the "biblically accurate angels" lol
Ive been looking around some fanfics, and so far the better options seem to be the Shin Megami Tensei series, which has featured Michael, Raphael, and Uriel.
There's also live action shows like Lucifer and Good Omens, but Im not a fan of that or their aesthetics.
Truly an untapped market here, there are like a dozen or so angels that can be paired up.
No.4699
>>4695Shingakkou isn't catholic
No.4700
How do we feel about Norse Mythology? Personally I find it funny that Tom Hiddleston has irreparably changed the way people look at Loki.
If you haven't read it before, there is a whole myth where Thor has to disguise himself as the goddess Freyja and marries the Jotunn Thrym.
https://thenorsegods.com/the-lay-of-thrym/>>4699What denomination is it? I've never played the game before I would have guessed Catholic based on the pictures.
No.4701
>>4700I don’t remember them actually mentioning it in the game, but considering the priests can marry it’s definitely not catholic. I am not sure which branch of Protestantism it is though, maybe Anglican considering it takes place in england.
No.4706
>>4699>Shingakkou This VN sounds exactly like what I was looking for aaaah. Thanks!
No.4825
>>4657>I personally like him for his associations with plagues and the way people's relationship with him as a figure influenced Athens during the Peloponnesian War (as well as all the other influences his worship had on society). The people I know feel similarly, and they appreciate him for how influential he is on the history/architecture/culture.ayrt I really like the plague/Peloponnesian War aspect of Apollo too. It's good to hear that other people think about how gods influenced architecture and the general culture. Many online spaces seem to neglect this discussion, which is a shame.
>I'm sorry if this isn't super detailed; I don't want to start rambling about this on a yaoi imageboard kek.I would love to read your rambles anon! And I'm sure other people in this thread would be interested too.
>I believe the "Hades is actually a good guy" people just want to feel like they've made some grand discovery because their first exposure to Greek mythology was the Disney Hercules movie.You are so right about this.
Speaking of Disney Hercules; Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually like that movie. It's earnest and upfront about being a modern retelling with modern american values and tropes. It never claims to be an improvement like many other modern retellings.
>This is almost certainly true. It's interesting how much of Greek mythology is derived from the depressing conditions of Greek society. That's why so many of the myths are dependent on fate, and even their afterlife is pretty depressing. In most of Greek mythology, humans are at the mercy of their gods because that's probably how living there felt. Most of the gods and myths were meant to be allegorical in nature. The myth of Hippolytus is so interesting to me because it is an illustration of ancient attitudes toward male celibacy vs female celibacy. Really well putted.
>a topic I don't see discussed often is how almost all of the virgin goddesses have some sort of 'male' element to them that separates them from the typical woman's role.While they are neither greek or goddesses, the Vestal Virgins in Rome had to live in celibacy while serving Vesta. They also had some privileges that other roman women didn't have. Some scholars have written about how their role in society had "male" and "female" elements (they also had two female roles: the Matrona/mother and the Virgo/maiden). So if you are into the idea of maidens have masculine elements, then you could look into them
>>4659I didn't mean jock as in sporty, but jock as the posterboy for the ideal youth. That was what Apollo was in ancient times, and in modern times he also became the face of rationalism. In modern stories, we tend to root for the underdog or the outsider, so Apollo just gets the "prettyboy popular bully" role.
No.4866
>>4825>So if you are into the idea of maidens have masculine elements, then you could look into themI am actually interested in the opposite. Males with some feminine elements instead.
No.4867
>>4825>I would love to read your rambles anon!AYRT and apologies in advance if this doesn't make a ton of sense, but I'll explain more about Apollo's historical influence on art due to his plague association. One of the most interesting parts of the Peloponnesian War is the Plague of Athens. Before the plague, the war was in Athens's favor. They had Pericles (their best leader throughout that whole war despite the fact that he came from a supposedly cursed bloodline) in charge, and they were crushing Sparta at sea (you know, because Sparta's landlocked and sucked at naval combat despite their superiority on land). The Athenians realized this very obvious advantage, and they quarantined themselves within city walls to force Sparta to engage them by sea. Great strategy except for one fact: being locked in a walled-up city for that long is a recipe for disease. What resulted was a plague which, if we go by what Thucydides tells us, sounds like pure hell. Even with modern science, we still aren't 100% on what disease this plague even WAS. All we know is an ABSURD number of Athenians died from it (we're talking about 1/4 or more of their population), the symptoms were unlike anything they'd seen before (we do have a very detailed description of the symptoms thanks to Thucydides), and it probably cost Athens the whole war.
So, what does this have to do with Apollo? Well, some Athenians believed they must have done something to anger Apollo; since he's a god of plagues, it logically follows that he'd punish the city through a plague. To make matters worse, three different oracles attributed the plague to a divine punishment (side note, but Thucydides mentions how the ancient Greek word for "plague" and the word for "famine" are very similar, and there was apparently some disagreement between the Athenian people as to which one the oracle meant. In other words, they weren't even confident at the time that Apollo was pissed; that was just their best guess). In response, the Athenian people turned to religion far more heavily. Looking at it with modern germ theory in mind, we can say that there was no divine punishment involved. However, to the Athenians, unless they appeased the god causing this plague, they were going to keep dying.
No.4868
>>4825 Still the same anon as
>>4867To placate Apollo, the Athenians made a ton of religious art and architecture; they started restoration projects for both his temples and his sister's temple. There were statues, additions made to existing temples, and perhaps most famously, the construction of the Temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae. This temple contains elements in a style more reminiscent of the archaic period, which some historians suspect was intended to evoke older religious traditions as yet another method of appeasing Apollo. It's also unique in its incorporation of all three orders of architecture, which wasn't typically done (in fact, it's the only example we have of this). The guy who designed the Parthenon designed this temple. The Athenians also revived the Delia festival, which was traditionally held in honor of Apollo. The mere existence of this plague and its attribution to Apollo completely changed the Athenians' religious practices and the way they created art.
>I actually like that movieIt's a cute movie! If any modern adaptation of Greek mythology is justified in changing elements in the original story, it's the one directly aimed at children. I don't think anyone's watching Disney's Hercules and thinking, "wow, I bet this is completely historically accurate." It's weird when people take it too seriously when I can think of several stories aimed at an older audience that have done more damage to people's perception of classical mythology.
>the Vestal Virgins in Rome had to live in celibacy while serving VestaThey're another great example of that phenomenon, despite being later in history. One of my favorite works of art is Pollice Verso, which is that 1800s painting where the Vestals are in the Colosseum cheering on a gladiator standing above his slain enemy kek.
No.4869
>>4866>Males with some feminine elements instead.NTA but Hippolytus is a great play which reflects how the Greeks viewed males who took on a more feminine role in society (more accurately, a man rejecting his role in society). It focuses on a male follower/worshiper of Artemis. If I'm not mistaken, it's one of the only uses of the word for "male virgin" in their writing. Similarly, The Bacchae is less of a reflection of their society as a whole, and more of an isolated incident wherein a man disrespects a god. Pentheus
crossdresses at one point, and there are heavy themes alluding to Dionysus possessing some more effeminate traits. It's more about Pentheus's descent into
madness due to Dionysus's influence on him. It's well worth a read. As for myths rather than plays, you have Hermaphroditus (the original myth, most commonly known from Ovid's rendition in Metamorphosis, isn't exactly fujo material. However, there are some allusions to a possible relationship with Silenus in other writings. I don't know of any sources offhand, but I know they exist). Orpheus is potentially of interest to you because nobody talks about what happened after his most famous myth involving Eurydice (in Ovid's version, he goes on to invent homosexuality in Thrace). This one is a little less explicit than the other myths I suggested, but he was given some more traditionally feminine traits in Roman writings. It's not at all the central theme, though.
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>>4869>famous myth involving Eurydice (in Ovid's version, he goes on to invent homosexuality in Thrace)I guess I never cared for Orpheus because ultimately he loved a woman so much and went on to try having other women lovers, which somehow always ended in tragedy