/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

Found this on reddit. When will they come up with new talking points?

>>10714
there's no way to win with these people, so don't even try

>>10716
>authors saying there’s no way the men in these ships could ever be attracted to women.
how is this even offensive
>past nlog phase
every time. every single time. lol these types are always trying to overcompensate for their past nlogism by whiteknighting fictional characters (even at the detriment of actual women)

>>10717
>how is this even offensive
It is when you have the incel mindset that respect=attraction. I never understand why women (all people but in this case it's women), get so heated when someone ships their husbando with another man. Simply close the tab?

Joking about a man not liking pussy or thinking it's gross is just as inoffensive as joking about a woman not liking dick and thinking it's gross, it's just that these women are usually yumeing to some degree and are trying to not be obvious about it.

>>10716
It really shows how none of these people have ever been in a fandom outside of BL conquered ones, which are what, like 4 or 5 now?
I’m in the Ranma fandom, and whenever I try to look up Shampoo, even on instagram official pages, the comments on her merch or edits are “I hate her, I always hated her, she’s so annoying.” I am not joking, even on tiktok is like this. And these comments get liked by other women, but no one even tries to tell them that shitting on a female character just because she goes against their self insert is wrong.
I guess they think it’s more acceptable to hate a girl who gets in the way of a straight ship, even though it’s more misogynistic to attack female characters just because they’re shipped with a guy you want.
>>10718
>get so heated when someone ships their husbando with another man. Simply close the tab?

They do this with female characters too, but it often goes unnoticed because most straight ships are basically just Main Character A × Main Character B. So if you ship any other girl but the main girl, either your fandom is microscopic, or it just gets completely overridden by the larger one. I remember Eren x Historia got a ton of hate too for simply existing besides Eremika.

>>10714
>>10716
The irony is that the fandom where I’ve seen the most hate towards female characters in my life is Oshi no Ko lmao

>>10716
I think the only character bashing tags
I've ever seen are Dumbledore bashing and Ron bashing.

Female characters are given less lenience than male characters, don't get me wrong, but to pretend that only female characters get misinterpreted and hated is intentionally ignorant.

>>10714
>When will they come up with new talking points?
Never ever. And seeing that MHA girl instead of Sakura is seriously making me wonder if Naruto is less relevant nowadays I hope so or if I'm just getting old.

>>10718
>Joking about a man not liking pussy or thinking it's gross is just as inoffensive as joking about a woman not liking dick and thinking it's gross
I wish some of these women knew how actual gay men talk about how much they hate vaginas in way worse terms, just to see their reactions. I bet they would have a mental breakdown. If anything fujoshi writing about how a potentially gay fiction guy dislikes pussies would be writing in a realistic way.

>>10717
>how is this even offensive
>>10724
>I wish some of these women knew how actual gay men talk about how much they hate vaginas in way worse terms, just to see their reactions. I bet they would have a mental breakdown.

I think these women are so online that they forget that most people aren't bisexual. Like most men irl aren't gay and find dick disgusting, vice versa for gay men. I'm sure that most of them are straight and wouldn't interact with a pussy themselves.

>>10690
The hate train for this person proves how illogical anti fujoshi discourse is. They hate it for "cringe" but they know that's not a good enough reason to justify stalking and harassing someone, so they say they're a pedo for drawing a BTS guy while she was also underage. They can't just ignore a webtoon they don't like. They'll post fujoshi hate over webtoons with abusive semes and for having noncon, but then a fluffy slice of life webtoon also gets the same hate parade. You can't fucking win with these people.

>>10721
>no one even tries to tell them that shitting on a female character just because she goes against their self insert is wrong
I remember when I first noticed a female character that got bashed on constantly and it was Lila Rossi from Miraculous Ladybug. I had never experienced such disdain from a fandom for a girl character before. I struggled to find positive fanfics about her and MLB is a pretty large fandom. I’ve actually never witnessed Uraraka hate and am always confused when she’s brought up because I frequent the bkdk tag on ao3 and haven’t seen a fanfic with even a little bit of the amount of hatred those girls writing MLB fanfic had for Lila Rossi.
>>10723
Harry Potter is literally the biggest fandom ever and I hope someone in the reddit comments pointed out the selection bias.

>>10748
>Uraraka hate
I vaguely remember her being the villain in some fics early on before Horikoshi retconned her reason for being a hero (she was from a poor family and wanted a paycheck, which was actually the most interesting thing about her RIP).
>>10723
I think Ron bashing was so prevalent because it was a very rare instance of the the self-insert girl (Hermione) getting cockblocked by her own canon love interest when people were overwhelmingly shipping her with Harry or Draco.

>>10721
Yeah people thinking hating female characters is some fujo-specific trait are willingly obtuse about this, the people I've most seen spewing vitriol against female characters have always been those who ship the main straight couple and hate the vamp driving a wedge between them. Shampoo is a good example, I actually think she's the most interesting female character in Ranma but Akanetards hate her because she's direct competition to their best girl.

>>10716
Someone explain to me how headcanoning a male character as gay is "misogynistic". Is headcanoning a female character as a lesbian misandrist too? You just know these people only participate in shounenshit fandoms where the female characters are either scantily clad sexy babes written for horny 14-year old boys or the girl next door with the personality of a wet rag both created by the male author and then whine about them not being appreciated enough.

>>10723
They're also ignoring that there's plenty of male characters who do get hate, especially from actual men in fandom. Men hate "emo" rival characters that women like, bonus if the guy is popular to ship with the male mc. Men are still raging about Sasuke and Goro Akechi to this day. Not to mention incels raging about Scaramouche from Genshin Impact so much because they hate that girls like him.

>>10756
>hate the vamp driving a wedge between them.
Exactly this.It’s never about female characters, It’s about protecting the character they’ve built an identity around. They see any woman or man who outshines their fav or simply gets more screentime as a threat.
It also doesn't help that the only female characters that they bother defending are the most hyper bland, “good girls” with a token quirk or temper issue they project onto (“omg she’s totally me”), while every other girl is allowed to be actually messy, or morally gray.

>>10756
Most of Takahashi's manga make a good example of it. Look at the (non-fujo) hatred in the Kagome/Kikyo triangle. The biggest haters of any character are people who want to self-insert into their opposition.

>>10765
True, but there’s a difference between a character meant to be relatable to an ordinary girl and a villainous girl who doesn’t care about anyone.
It’s like the harem anime MC’s starting narration, “I’m just an ordinary high schooler.”
versus an actually interesting male character.
This is even more obvious when you realize those kinds of “ordinary” characters are always the main characters or very close to mc, never side characters because the author knows a character like that would be forgotten in the sidelines

I accidentally went down the rabbit hole of twitter yurifags after the drama in picrel went down yesterday and I swear they make these people in a factory, they're always young girls who obsess over Hoyoslop in an undeniably male gaze way because they learned their pixel feminism from actual AGPs posing as women. And that would be whatever on its own I guess but they also make their identity half about hating fujoshis and throwing every possible accusation at them, like how the fuck are you this mad? How do you care enough about some women minding their own business creating fanart and fanfics about 2D men to go on these psychotic rants? Like said most of them only play Mihoyo crap (if even that since a lot of them seem to just watch cutscenes and never touch the games themselves) where fujos are already severely undermined and perpetually horny yurifags are famously given more pandering and more hypersexualized waifus in sleeveless qipao swimsuits yet still have terminal fujo derangement syndrome stirring shit and reply bombing fujo accounts calling them "male centered" because of course fictional male characters engineered for female consumers following guidelines set by other women is more "male centered" than waifus solely structured to male fetish of the week. And they always have the same background - a young ESL woman (often from MENA or Latin American background), obsession with K-pop and their lesbianity is more about hating men than loving women. It's genuinely eerie how similar they all are. What Discord server is grooming them? They never, ever have this amount of hate and vitriol towards straight ships or heterosexual media. NEVER. All the hate is always reserved for fujos. I need to understand what the fuck is at the core of their issues.

>>10974
>boy that's actually a stand in for a girl
They are so narcissistic they will never understand not all women need to self insert to enjoy romance.
It's insane for them to not imagine themselves as the main character of some romantic pairing.
They only enjoy a couple if they can live throu one of the characters, it's why so many fujo tifs are basically yumes.
>obsession with K-pop and their lesbianity is more about hating men than loving women.
Because it's cool to hate men and pretending they are lesbians until other girls like the husbandos they like, or god forbid try to make them gay, then it's war on women kek
It's just endless cope from insecure zoomer girls with low self esteem.
I honestly feel bad for them, their future is bleak and they are just using escapism to cope with it.

>>10979

This makes me feel bad for real decent lesbians who ended up being scapegoats for manhaters and misogynistic fujophobics.

>>10974
>And they always have the same background - a young ESL woman (often from MENA or Latin American background)
For whatever reason (historic precedence?) in EN spaces fujos are thought of as white women by default so a lot of the vitriol is exacerbated by the idea that they are "punching up". It's honestly in the same vein as performatively hating pumpkin spice lattes and yoga.

>>10974
The girl in picrel is a fujo, this has always emanated from self-hating fujos. A lesbian yurifag might poke fun at yaoi but whining about heteronormativity is a big tell that this is a fujo with low self-esteem. They will grow out of it kek

>>10983
And then they always attack Asian, brown and black fujos thinking they're white just because they can speak English. Someone really sold them this idea of fujoism being a "white girl boogeyman" when most fujo authors are from Asia.

>>10985
>Someone really sold them this idea of fujoism being a "white girl boogeyman"
The causes of this are so far upstream it's hard to point a single finger. It feels like radiation from when tumblr broke containment after the porn ban. I think it's funny peoples' idea of the EN fujoshi phenotype is still rooted in the days of the yaoi paddle when a quick scroll through Twitter will show you all kinds of fujoshi, to the point where the classic pasty landwhale might as well be a protected species.

It's also just really easy to say mean shit when you say "white women" instead of just "women".

>>10982
As someone that enjoys both yuri and BL, I'd never label myself as a himejoshi online, because I really don't want to associate with neither the trannies nor the pixel feminists with their hoyoslop ships.
The fujo communities may have their issues, but with yuri it's somehow even worse because half of these himes have read maybe 1 SoL yuri or watched Madoka, and they just pretend to like yuri for the sake of being performative and superior to yucky fujos. Not to mention the ones with the giga retarded take of 'Actually het ships are better and more ~progressive~ than yaoi because at least there's a woman!' that only ever post about het and probably can't name more than 3 yuri series (if even that). I guess that there is some truth in them only caring when a ship has a woman though, and it's not for any feminist reasons, but because they need a self insert to enjoy any romance (and they think fujos are the same, which is why accusations like 'You're self inserting as the uke!' happen).

>>10990
Also they're the ones who always need to have a dick in yuri, literally every time one of them has to have a penis. They basically admit that they hate fujos because BL doesn't have a girl they can self insert to. Scratch a schizo hime and a hetfag will bleed.

>>10992
That's something I forgot to mention, but you're 100% right. Certain fujo fandoms definitely have it bad with the cuntboy/tif obsession, but it's basically the default with yuri fandoms that one of the girls will be given a dick. Not to mention the obsession with their 'breeding kinks' and how they manage to post about cocks just as much, if not more, than fandoms of series that have actual male characters. Oh and they never actually give *both* girl dicks, it has to be pseudo het every time.

Peak comedy.

>>11002
roblox. not even once.

Will i get banned for bringing up lolcow in here? I don't know if the old rule still applies, but did anyone also see the big fight that lasted days, people who are pro shota and against it screaming at each other, and fujochan kept being mentioned and blamed for everything for some reason
Even the farmhands had to step in and do something because they wouldn't stop sperging about it
Why do lolcow even hate shotafags so much anyways, wasn't the board made by weebs from /cgl/? I expected them to be indifferent to it more than anything

>>11012
>weebs from /cgl/?
Most /cgl/fags were very normalfag women from what I remember, some barely even otaku. And lolcow over the years became just twitter-lite in terms of arguments where bitches can call each other trannies/aidens without upsetting some twitter mob

>>11002
>>11005
I don't get it, sorry. What does a Roblox lolicon have to do with fujobashing?

>>11070
Panel 1 is a sandbox for the fan to explore, Panel 2 sounds like a boring childhood friends ship. I'm having a hard time thinking of het which 100% fits the example because you get it on paper often but in practice, the heroine is usually sidelined and doesn't fight alongside the man nearly as much as his male companions.
As F/F, not sure if I would ship that hard. Sounds cute, but I'm more likely to ship Heroine 1 with the sexy evil woman who tries to stop her from her goal of protecting Heroine 2, or the begrudging rival who joins the party.
And I wish people would stop pretending never-met or low interaction ships only happen in BL. They just get more popular because there's more BL fans putting the work in.

>>11014
The funniest type of anti-fujo lolcow chimpouts is the ones where they write paragraphs about how reading yaoi is bad and ruining the world and reading yuri is freeing us from the shackles of the patriarchy lol, completely disconnect from reality, it's hard to think it's bait when truly it's just performative feminism central in there nowadays for twitter rejects, they are being genuine

>>11072
>I'm having a hard time thinking of het which 100% fits the example
I can think of Shulk/Fiora Xenoblade which ironically has no significant fandom alternative, yaoi or otherwise (Meliafags do NOT count, they don't even make fanart/fic).

>>11070
>>11072
>Panel 1 is a sandbox for the fan to explore

A ton of my rarepair otps are like this. Characters that never met might have great meshing personalities, backstories, etc. Its shipping and fanfiction; who cares about lore.

Whereas bad canon is actually bad canon, and I'm forced to care about it because it has consequences on the story now. The op is such a reach because very very rarely, esp in manga/anime, do the female romantic interests actually have depth and participate in the story, beyond being set dressing.

You speak nothing but truth, nonna.

>>11087
It's also the fact that just being told how much two characters mean to eachother doesn't mean people will care about the ship or that they automatically have chemistry. This can happen in BL too. I was fine with Wangxian but I still shipped WWX/Wen Ning harder. Then there's all the people who liked Shen Qingqui/Liu Qingge more (I'm not one of them, but they're a big part of the fandom)
Same in yuri. Homura's entire obsession is about Madoka, but I'm more interested in other Homura ships. That doesn't mean I don't understand/care about the canon significance of Madoka to Homura. It just means that the kind of dynamic that activates the creative neuron in my shipper brain is different.
And you only have to look at the fact that get-together fic usually performs better than established relationship to understand that fans really like to see the romantic development happen rather than for it to already be there.

But I'll admit my hypocrisy for a second: I 100% believe that the shippers of my my never-met het rarepair NOTP have a garbage understanding of my male fave's personality and it would never happen (and I judge their shit taste). The fact that I prefer him to see him fucking Guy B is coincidental, if Guy B didn't exist I'd prefer him with no one if he wasn't an option.

>>11072
>sandbox
Exactly, even in terms of videogames the first panel would be something like minecraft where people feel like they can be creative while panel 2 is a soulslike game which is derivative and can never be as good as the og.
There are exceptions to this obviously, but most of the time romance plots are set up either as wish fulfillment or copied from other more successful stories.

>>11012
Isn't lolcow super anti fujo? Even the boards for anime tend to hate fujos because it's yumes dominating the conversation and saying the same old bullshit about fujos being misogynists because they can't self insert onto a female character. Just proves how yumes are always the biggest proponents of anti fujo talking points just like everyone else online.

>>11096
they've got a yaoi board but they have an antifujo containment board so the arguing doesn't spill over.

They've got a real issue with fujos who turn ftm, which, fair, but they seem to think that all fujos will poon out at some point.

https://www.pannchoa.com/2025/11/theqoo-copy-pasting-fakers-story.html Korean moids are famously misogynistic so I do like the mental image of esports moids crying and seething over this.

Reddit is bottom of the barrel in terms of fujo hate but this had to be shared kek

>>11269
I see a boring canon straight ship with a likely boring female character and a boring dynamic VS. an interesting and hot yaoi ship. Hm, whichever will I choose?

>>11269
>healthy relationship
>green flags
Ask Sakura and Hinata how their marriages are working out for them.

>>11270
Right? An evil fictional character is evil to other fictional characters, but a boring fictional character is boring to *me*.

>>11269
>reverse image search takes me to one of the circlejerk subs
>generalizes yaoi as "heteronormative" so much it's become noise at this point
Are tifs just… stuck in 2016?

What's stopping this guy from reading bara?

>>11335
There is a 99.9% chance this is just an FTM. So, y'know, a straight woman kek.

>>11336
NTA, but that answers my question lol >>11286