/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>9352
>nothing for you as a fujo besides Hoyoverse
I always see people who play other EN gachaslop shit all over Hoyo for no particular reason and I just realized that it's probably because there's a large fujo presence.

>>9295
Now antifujosim is replaced by himejoshis hating it, yumes hating it, and troons hating it.

>>9352
Are you referring to that /vmg/ gen? I have nothing against LADS and know many zasshoku types who enjoy otome and fujo media, but some of the yumes in there have been ragebaiting and starting infighting for no reason. It reeks of insecurity when your game is successful but somehow your focus is on fujo ships/drama instead of the latest patch updates. I don't even give a fuck about haikveh but seeing all that money being poured into that KFC collab and it going viral gives me a lil schadenfreude knowing that it pisses a lot of annoying moids and yumes off.

>>9352
>>9355
Everyone envies us because no matter the hate we get we still seem to thrive, even across the centuries all the way back to ancient Greece! Ha ha ha!

>>9358
>It reeks of insecurity
This. I hope the thread dies soon, it's literally the only general I visit over there anymore and these schizos have made it unbearable. No Stacy, I don't care that some rando on xitter made two of your ugly kpop boys kiss.

>>9353
I hate Hoyo so much for the type of fan wars they encourage among everyone including the fujos, and for selling out to incels and getting a pass for it as long as they add in some minor yaoibait (all in timed minor events or in merch) but the hate they get from incels and yumes alike from having a fujo culture while other gachas don't is obvious. I hate how bad gacha is for fujos now. Incels hate it, himejoshis hate it, and yumes are very loud about hating it and crying that they get nothing. Now the future of games for husbandos and female players must all be otome with only the female MCs and no interaction between guys because yumes and fujos can't coexist the way they used to.

>>9358
The joseimuke board has always been like that but it's gotten worse because LADS banning BL fanwork (I only for contests but still) has encouraged the fans to be hostile towards any sort of M/M shipping. These same people hate otome games that let you pick the gender, or have been complaining when joseimuke games like Ensemble Stars do fujobait in addition to yumebait, but LADS upped the ante of anti fujo sentiment. This is why I don't like the people who claim otome games are the future of husbandos for gacha since the nature of them means fujos still have nothing. I do think fujos want to play real games too, not only BL games, and the ability of fujos to ship no matter how hostile the fans or the source material are is a positive thing about us, but it also means we get much less and have to deal with scraps.

>>9362
Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertion, it's why I wish there could be a joseimuke game without one. /vmg/ is taken over by yumes and the rest of the boards are even worse. Gacha drama is nothing but incels crying that games don't have enough self-insert bait, it's pure cancer.

>>9368
>I do think fujos want to play real games too, not only BL games
I wanted to like Nu carnival so badly but I gave up on it cause the gameplay was fundamentally uninteresting. If there's ever going to be a BL gacha with interesting gameplay I can only assume it would have to be Infold deciding to make a BL game to complete their 'aimed at women' collection but I doubt they'll actually go for it.

>>9352
I think the boys look creepy and I hate self-insert shit, but I can't bring myself to hate its existence because it pisses off a large subset of men kek.
>calling fujos misogynists who want them to get "cucked"
This is the only part that bothers me about the fans of LADS. I don't understand if they just genuinely believe you can't enjoy fiction without self-inserting or what their problem is. I've also noticed a lot of them getting very defensive if you don't like the way the guys look, which is also very weird.
>>9368
>I do think fujos want to play real games too, not only BL games
I wish we got regular, non-gacha games with BL in them more than anything.
>Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertion
I used to play a lot of gachas, and this is why I quit. It seems like everyone wants the MC to be a self-insert, which also detracts from whatever story the gacha is trying to tell. I never got into Genshin because it wasn't the type of gacha I like, but I knew it was a bad omen for the genre.

>>9371
I think a better example of anon's point would be people getting mad about the age gap in "Call Me By Your Name". "Real" LGBT narratives tend to be more uncomfortable and sexually charged (or violent) than tenderqueer shit written by a gender questioning AFAB on tumblr who has never fucked.
>>9372
Genshin is the only gacha I like because outside of the occasional bait I like the lore. Even when I take breaks I keep up with the story. It's like getting drip-fed a PS2 JRPG series. I'd much rather have a real game though, you're right.

>>9370
As someone who has been playing NuC since day one you really aren't missing anything. At this point I log in to do my dailies to get a copy of the only boy I like twice, maybe three times if they are feeling generous, a year.

>Infold deciding to make a BL game to complete their 'aimed at women' collection
Can Infold even do that? They are based in China, doubt they want to anger the CCP…

>>9368
>Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertion, it's why I wish there could be a joseimuke game without one.
At this point I've fully given up hope in wishing for joseimuke gacha with no self insertion, it goes against the state of the current market and none of these companies are willing to take risks. They just copy what's hot at the moment.

>>9376
>Can Infold even do that? They are based in China, doubt they want to anger the CCP
Oh yeah, I tend to forget that cause I play Infinity nikki in EN with JP voices so subconsciously I've been thinking of it as a JP game even though it isn't.

>>9371
Like they're not wrong, but picking fucking Adam the sex pest and rapist was the worst example of this to bring up, and with Enta it was pretty bad optics for him to kiss an unconscious person. I agree that tenderqueers who like gay things only when gay things beyond handholding aren't included are annoying but come on, you could've talked about something like how Shiro from Voltron being an adult gay man was seen as a predatory pedo just because he was an adult and not a soft teenage-coded boy.

>>9372
> I can't bring myself to hate its existence because it pisses off a large subset of men kek.
I don't hate that it exists but I do hate it being the only option for husbando gacha since they hate fujos so much. Men have always hated her romance aimed at women and their misogyny isn't to be defended, but I also can't like these yumes and shoujo fans because they always punch down on fujos.
>I wish we got regular, non-gacha games with BL in them more than anything.
I don't even want strict BL, even just a story with husbandos or ones that are friendly to fujos to ship. This is why Hoyo is so popular, the characters may be boring and unable to reach their full potential because the gacha has to move onto the next shilled waifu, but it's very ripe for fandom with the ability to ship in a big open world, or well, it was. But Genshin now pandering more to incels and the self-insert schizos getting louder ruined that story too.

>>9374
>It's like getting drip-fed a PS2 JRPG series
This is why the game got so popular and it's a shame we don't get rpgs like that anymore either. Very few of them with an anime style that are friendly to fujos around anymore.

>>9376
They don't have make a BL game, they could make a game with a mixed cast and no romance. There actually are other games in China that do have mixed casts and are fine with shipbait besides Hoyo, but they aren't high budget open world games or localized into English because they're not from big companies so they don't get noticed. Hoyoverse proves they can fujobait just fine, they even pay for tags on social media. It's just the problem is that their fujobait is a Trojan horse for the waifubait, the devs real passion, to dominate most of the actual games. Once again fujos ability to ship and always be creative can be used to not deliver as much.

>>9380
Adam wasn't a rapist and I think agreeing with this respectability politics over that is retarded. Even Enta too, I'm sorry but it's baby brain to be this triggered over a preteen boy. I discount your point completely when you talk like a twitter anti.

>>9368
LADS banned BL fanwork from all of their official communities IIRC, not just the contests. Chinese yumes went turbo homophobe over it, logging on xitter via a VPN just to gloat about how fujos are cooked and they can fuck off with their disgusting gay shit even though many LADS fans said they would be fine with gay artwork of their boyfriends. The yumes even attacked people who posted gay ship artwork on their own personal profile.

>Gacha games are more extreme now when it comes to self-insertion
And now that Chinese high budget gacha games have killed off literal genres and rely entirely on microtransactions, it's only going to get worse. You don't get AAA JRPG titles anymore because everyone wants to rot their brains with self-insert ML games that throw them a new expensive husbando/waifu every month. Asian fujos settle for scraps all the time so they're given a bit of bait every now and then to lead them on and they'll produce endless amounts of creative fan works for free while getting beaten up by parasitic incels and yumes left and right. I really don't know any other way to work around this than simply focus on original content and support each other.

The LADS guys are all so ugly, the yumes can have them

>>9383
Maybe yumes would loosen up if they got boyfriends irl instead of competing on the internet for the worst social rejects title

>>9384
Seconding, I don't even get why a fujo would be into it since the guys are ugly and aren't allowed to interact
It's such a bizarre turn from JP otome and galge where everyone's allowed to interact but I guess China thinks their husbando/waifu just interacting with a character who isn't the self insert is cuckoldry kek.

>>9385
This.
Most of them are so thirsty for romance, they just want to live out their dream relationship through a fantasy self-insert, and in the process, they forget how real relationships actually work.
It's the male equivalent of guys who say 2d girls are better.

>>9385
>>9389
Honestly, I understand the feeling of finding real men unappealing or intimidating. Especially in countries where traditional gender roles are still pushed hard. I just wish they wouldn't take their frustrations out on us.

>>9390
>I understand the feeling of finding real men unappealing or intimidating
yeah I understand it too, if they didn't act zealous and possesive over fictional boys like it's their actual bfs I wouldn't mind.

>>9380
>Adam the sex pest and rapist
>Enta it was pretty bad optics for him to kiss an unconscious person
>teenage-coded boy
This site isn't Tumblr. Nobody's cheering you on for calling BL works
>problematic
or whatever - the contrary. You are the epitome of what users of this site hate: a culture warrior on a crusade to stamp out 'bad' elements in the genre. You are the reason why everything in media is turning into safe, boring rehash of past works.

>>9395
Way to completely go around the point made in this context because you couldn't contain your spergery about muh ass jay dubya cultural warriors reeee. The original post was correct in bringing up an actual problem, but Adam is not a good example of it i.e. healthy gay representation being sidelined since he was aggressively pushing himself on a character that wasn't interested in him and was clearly made from the mold of a hypersexual okama character who can't keep his dick in his pants. Enta's case is much more charitable because shy teenagers who can't express their affection straightforward could do something like he did (kissing a sleeping person) because they don't know how dubious it is, but for what it's worth I never saw people despise him to the same extent they did with Adam. inb4 he acted the way he did because of muh abuse yeah but that still doesn't mean anything here.

>>9370
I would die happy for a fujobait game with cute gnc boys….

>>9396
Yeah I agree, I like Adam but he's both problematic in-universe and outside he's just a cartoon villain. Personally I put him more on the side of Disney gay than a real portrayal of a gay man so I don't know what that 4chan anon is talking about. If you're looking for a "realistic" gay character people hate just because he's gay Nathan from Tiger and Bunny comes to mind, same kind of flamboyant energy, much more realistically handled, but because he's okama and visually not attractive he gets shit on.

>>9390
My one problem with them is they call fujos "male centered" and misogynists because we don't self insert. How is wanting to romance a male character somehow less "male centered" than shipping two male characters?

>>9396
Not that nonna but I don't give a fuck about "healthy gay rep". I don't think Adam is a "rapist". Sk8 is meant to be a wacky show more like something in the 00s, you can't see Adam literally and his redemption is literally due to the power of friendship. You sound like a purityfag who only wants "wholesome" characters with anxiety while shitting on fujos who like anything else.

>>9417
Jesus fucking christ will you read the original post here the "realistic gay experiences" was exactly the topic of discussion. >>9371

>>9412
Dude is just cringe and over the top. I honestly think the absolute worst is acting like hitting people with his skateboard is a valid move. Wtf is up with that shit it should instantly disqualify you.

>>9424
When you're rich you make your own rules.

>>9424
I was under the impression that Langa was a minor so in my mind while rapist is a bit extreme it does seem like Adam was being a creep in-universe. I don't actually care from a moral perspective, though.

>>9396
>healthy gay representation
…What happened to this place?

>>9435
no. hsr is an afk game.

It takes months, but you can level yourself up and just auto the entire game sans mandatory control. The story is overrated by teenagers with no high literacy experience and genuinely think it has the deepest lore and interesting characters when it's as shallow as a $10 backyard pool.

The men are great, but the chemistry and characterizations are like 80% headcanon and 10% party dialogue quips. I genuinely tried to get into the world and lore but it's insulting if you have an expectation above prose slop

>>9434
Read the 4chan screenshot the person is responding to holy fuck >>9371. Nobody is saying gay relations in fiction need to be healthy we all grew up on Loveless she's saying those campy gay rapists and dark BL is not an authentic gay experience. It's escapism for women, it can explore dark ""problematic"" shit and thats not a bad thing.

>>9451
>it can explore dark ""problematic"" shit and thats not a bad thing
Some of us won't even consume hetero or lesbian media even if its sweet and 'unproblematic' tbh.

>>9451
This cover is a crime…of fashion!
Even in my teens I could never get into this series just because of the cat ears thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaF6mh7WbjE
Both the comments and the thumbnail for this are making me laugh so hard, I'd like to know how many you fujos have had your self esteem personally ruined by yaoi.

>>9578
>grape
>censoring the word rape
I can't take their concerns seriously when they refer to something so serious like that. Tiktok and Youtube are really changing the way kids speak and for the worse.

>>9578
With this logic, every piece of media should make everyone have low self-esteem because we can't compete with how most fictional characters are made out to be.

>>9580
what pisses me off the most about this is that at some point everyone just collectively decided to censor words like that, i dont know why or when this happend but it just takes every bit of seriousness away from what theyre trying to say, especially if its supposed to be educative
the moment someone censors words like that you know exactly what kind of person they are

>>9451
And why does this need to be explained with the same language normies use? We all know this.

>>9578
>ive been a bl fan for almost a year and i cant find bl that doesnt include rape
Literally how? There's so much wholesome BL out there, even if you exclusively browse places like MRM I've never had any trouble finding cute SFW BL to read when I'm in the mood for it. It's pretty rare for a BL to catch me off guard when it comes to problematic shit, if something features rape or incest or whatever you can usually tell by the synopsis, tags or even cover art honestly. Someone please teach people how to gauge a series before reading it instead of just reading whatever popular manwha their tiktok FYP spoonfeeds them. It reminds me of people on places like mangadex that decide to read a manga literally called shota oni and are unironically shocked that it's a shota manga. Same for the anime in vidrel. Who in their right mind decides to watch Super Lovers and is genuinely blindsided by the age gap? You take a glance at the cover image and you instantly know what you're getting into.

>>9586
Its more likely that they're into that stuff and just virtue signalling about it. Also, some people consider kabedon or forced kisses on the same level of sexual assault for some reason.

>>9580
My "favorite" is when they use 1337 speak to talk about a real-life tragedy or atrocity. If I had to type like a fucking gamer to discuss the deaths of someone's loved ones, I just wouldn't talk about the tragedy at that point. I also hate how half of them are supposed to be funny, as that feels like a specific brand of evil. Regardless of what form of censorship you use, it feels so immensely disrespectful to be talking about a person's "$u1c1d3" or "self deletion" or "sewer slide."
>>9586
There are literally people who curate lists of wholesome BL. The only way you cannot find wholesome BL is if you're not looking for it. Even for the chronically lazy, you can Google "BL manga without rape." That requires ZERO effort. I genuinely believe they look for content that will make them mad.

>>9592
It's because people are used to TikTok and Youtube, where you're not allowed to speak properly, else your stuff gets de-monitized or taken down.

>>9587
This is how I see it as well, they're out there reading Jinx and BJ Alex etc all the time while bitching about how problematic it is. Girl you're on chapter 40 and could've dropped it after the first rape, why are you lying to yourself? They're not real.

>>9581
>>9578
Those are girls with massive self esteem issues who can only enjoy a piece of media if they insert themselves onto fictional characters. It's like a mix between narcissism and sociopathy

>>9593
I wonder why they didn't use the twitter method. When twitter started autobanning users the moment they said the word "kill" in a post, people just started talking the same way they did when avoiding getting in search results, ex. "k/ill" or "k.ill".

My fave of the unnecessary censorship is the fandom of a series where one of the main characters tries to kill or injure himself every episode he's in, it's his thing. They have an animated discord sticker of him hanging himself with a noose that is free to use in general chat, but every time you share art or discussion of him you have to post "tw: sui" or "tw: sh", under a spoiler tag so they can't even see the word you're warning for, because seeing the word may be triggering. How do people even filter for this if they don't want to see it? They'd have to include every stupid variation and guess what comical euphemism is next. I could get if someone you know killed themselves and you didn't want to see depictions of it for a while, but hiding the word isn't going to help people make informed decisions about what fanworks they open. It's way easier to hit the spoilered image than the teeny tiny three letter word under spoiler tag.

>>9593
>else your stuff gets de-monitized
I know this might be controversial, but if you choose to refer to a real person's suicide as a "self vibe check" so you can make money off a video about it, I think that's incredibly tacky at best. Also, there are other ways you can censor your words without resorting to meme phrasing.