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I know season 2 is widely disliked, but after a recent rewatch I've come to really like it. It was dramatic but it was really entertaining. Alois really grew on me as a character. I feel like his chaotic behavior made him much more realistic to me than Ciel.

My attention span is kinda fucked so right now I haven't gotten to reading the manga yet and I'm an anime only, though I don't mind seeing manga spoilers so I know manga stuff. So far book of the atlantic is my favourite arc but from the snippets I've seen I can easily imagine that the green witch arc will overtake it. When I watched all the anime I watched the noncanon stuff too and while I understand why manga readers disliked it I enjoyed the anime original content just from an entertainment point of view cause it got insane at times. It's a relic from a different time and I can vibe with that. I could see the queen becoming the final villain cause the anime original content foreshadowed different manga plot points too.

Favourite arcs would be (sorry I can't remember all the names the fandom uses for them)the Noah's ark circus arc, the ship arc and the private school one.

>>3379
Alois was the best thing about season 2, I kept rooting for him. You're right in saying that his chaotic behaviour fits better for someone who's been abused, I've often felt like Ciel was way too perfect despite all the shit that happens in Kuroshitsuji (and I my favourite aspect of the green witch arc was getting to see him being more fragile).

>>3381
I'm excited for the green witch arc too! I couldn't agree with you more, Ciel's best moments are when he's vulnerable. He comes of as too composed and mentally strong for what he's gone through so it's nice to see his walls break from time to time.

Aaah I love the official arts so much. Yana's style is so beautiful and I loved watching it grow throughout the years. I have two of the newer artbooks. I want to collect the other two.

>>3380
You make some good points. I can't be mad about the anime being so different. The manga was not as advanced, so the anime did not have a lot of material to work with. I like to think of season 2 as it's own thing. It's story line is interesting to me, whether was canonical or not.

>>3378
>What's your speculations for the end of the manga?
Everybody lives happily ever after. I somehow doubt it will ever end.

>>3379
>I know season 2 is widely disliked
By whom?

At this point I just suffer from stockholm syndrome and only keep reading the manga just to see if I was right all along and if Undertaker is Cedric, so Ciel's grandfather. I started reading the manga in high school and it's insane that it's still not over yet. But last time I checked the next arc will be the last one?

I'm so pumped for April 2025! Finally, we get the Emerald Witch arc and I can see my big buff wolfman.
Has something like this ever happened to anyone? Where you stumble across a fanwork that changes your life and your impression of a character? My first time reading the arc, I didn't really care about Wolfram Gelzer. Then I read Animal Instinct on Ao3 and something shifted inside me. It's such a wonderfully brutal fic and really captures his character especially through his banter with Sebastian. Sebastian is well written too, he's such a snide bastard. Love it. I'll never be the same.

>>3393
The fact that someone appears just to top Sebastian makes me want to read the manga and watch all the animes. Godspeed to you, nona.

>>3393
I always imagined wolfram to be blond but I guess it makes sense for him to have gray hair (you know, like a wolf).
Also apparently he's going to be voiced by the same seiyuu who voices the wolf from beastars, which I find very hilarious for how on the nose it is.

>>3387
>Everybody lives happily ever after.
I mean, there was foreshadowing during the Campania arc that Undertaker wanted to free Ciel from his contract. Would the fans be happy if he somehow got out of it?

>>3397
>would the fans be happy
i think it'd be a bit of a cop-out and i'm not sure a happy ending would fit this series.
at the same time, i feel like the only type of ending that would satisfy me is one where its vaguely implied that theres more between sebaciel, in a way where you can interpret them romantically if you want but it's not overly clear, and they somehow stay together lmao so i'm conflicted

>>3395
Kek that is perfect casting
>>3397
>Would the fans be happy if he somehow got out of it?
I think most fan are hoping for the two to stay together in some way.
Personally, the only thing I want in the end is to see Sebastian get Ciel's soul. He's the only one I care about being happy in the end.

I've gone back and forth so many times on how I want the manga to end, I just don't know. All things considered it's probably true that a tragic ending makes the most sense. All I know for sure is that if Yana is still into Sebaciel I want her to add a scene that antis can't cope their way out of. I want to see the meltdown cause it'd be funny.

>>3403
I expect a tragic or bittersweet ending. Bittersweet as in "I reached my goal and avenged my brother and myself and can die with no regret" but there are so many mysteries that I mostly worry about how the ending will happen. I'd be mad if some questions aren't answered even after the end of the manga, I started reading it when I was in high school and this shit is still not over yet so Yana better deliver a satisfying conclusion regardless of whether Ciel lives or dies.

>>3403
>if Yana is still into Sebaciel
oh trust me she is, in her ig stories she travels around the world bringing their rabbit plushies around like a turboautist fujoing tf out with her otp, pics of them together in front of amusement parks, at the beach, on the plane etc. just pure gushing she's insane you'd think she's 14 and just discovered yaoi

>>3405
That's amazing. Bless her.

>>3405
I wish she didn't delete her old blog…

this might be based on a small sample of people but recently antis in the kuro fandom seem to have calmed the fuck down.
i see much more nuanced takes regarding sebaciel shippers, they're still disliked but it's less of "kys you p*do" and more of rationalized skepticism.

some girl on a kuro community observed that a lot of sebaciel shippers were women who watched kuro in their early teens and never outgrew the ship, which is correct (except there is nothing to outgrow) and she went as far as imply it is understandable since they were minors when watching. some other woman said that some sebaciel shippers are more level headed than others too.

now their qualms seem to be more with people who ship sebaciel and started kuro as adults, so it's not a complete win but it seems like good progress.
so what is causing more acceptance compared to the absolute moral panic shitshow of the late 2010s?
is this only limited to kuro, or is it something you've observed in other fandoms too?

>>3405
God, she is so perfect. She literally our queen.

>>3408
>so what is causing more acceptance compared to the absolute moral panic shitshow of the late 2010s?

I didn't notice much of a panic in the late 2010's. Most of the craziness I've seen came after the fourth season aired earlier this year.
Strictly speaking from the western side of the fandom, it looks like most of the acceptance is brought on by og fans just not succumbing to their anti bullshit, or calling them out on watching "problematic" media in the first place. I've seen lots of examples of this on tumblr and pinterest. Though it might just be the site's culture, reddit is still very much a cesspool of anti thought. I have no idea what the fandoms on twitter, bluesky, or tiktok are like. It's crazy that some people will just enter a 16 year old fandom and think that they can bully others and change things. It makes me happy to see that at least some of the og fans are standing their ground.

>What's your speculations for the end of the manga?

The shota gets obliterated

>>3393
>>3394

Kek love this from the official site. I can't see the fued between them as anything other then sexual tension.

>What's your speculations for the end of the manga?
I just have this feeling Ciel will die and I hate it.

>>3506
I'm expecting a fake-out death tbh.