/f/ - Fandom Generals

>>3932
Sullivan isn't so bad, she's there for gags anyway. It's been a riot watching antis freak out about her in today's episode. Maybe now they'll believe that kuro isn't the comfycore paternal bullshit that they keep insisting it is and they all get the fuck out of the fandom. The school arc is over and shits only going to get darker.

Who's ready for sebaciel to have sex in a cauldron this week?

>>3969
This and the couple of episodes that follow are going to get crazy.

I was really curious to see if Ciel's brother would also be voiced by Maaya Sakamoto or if he'd have a different seiyuu. Very pleased to hear him be voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro (Kurapika's seiyuu). That was an excellent choice.
I also can't wait to finally see the picrel outfits in colour soon.

I can't find the 214th chapter anywhere, where is it? I'm not paying for it, I already buy physical copies of the manga but volume 35 will be released the next decade if this keeps up.

>>3990
Found this with a simple Google search nona.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lWd9UilVA78c7iV4feXCXgp553QV15pR
Also, goddamn the fan artists work fast. This new guy just showed up for the first time yesterday and they're already lewding him kek

>>3996
Anon I love you so much, thank you! The cliffhanger is killing me, I need more. But I'm glad this chapter is longer than 15 pages.

>they're already lewding him kek
Understandable tbh

This week's episode was something else! It did not disappoint. We got a foot shot! Sadly, his toenails were not painted black, like I hoped.
I also lost it when he tasted their boy soup.
>>3996
Bless the fanartists! They're so fast

Sullivan's gaydar went off kekkkk

>>4084
his face was so priceless after that, kek

Ciel when he snaps out of his trauma and realizes Sebastian had been cheating on him with Sullivan.

Beyond based. I've been waiting for this for years.
Also, Hiro C was in this episode.

sebaciel nation how are we feeling about sebaciel's honeymoon? ♥
honestly, i didnt wait 5+ years for them to be put in separate rooms… but i trust our god fujotron 9000 yana to have a vision and i'm trusting her with my heart !!

>>3942
i agree! sullivan is cute, and i like how she's anti meltdown fuel.
>The school arc is over and shits only going to get darker
lmao yeah and shotacon-er, im so excited for all the sebaciel content in the emerald witch arc, plus more food that we'll surely be getting at the hotel

>>4120
It's been that long since we saw them in the manga? I swear I've lost track of time it couldn't have been that long, right?

>>4123
dont take my word for it nonnie, but i think they didnt appear in the manga for about 3.5 years, and right after they came back, yana took a year long hiatus

media literacy is dead because how can people say that sebastian doesn't care about ciel when panels like this exist? like you don't have to ship them to see this

are people denying it because they're antis and sebaciel is so canon-coded that they feel threatened by signs of even platonic affection?
or do people just genuinely lack interpretation skills?

>>4121
yesss, things are just getting good and i've been so desperate to see this since the anime was announced. yana is so brave and smart for giving us tentacle vore

>>4130
>>4137
I guess the antis who aren't on team "They have a father and son dynamic" instead take the tentacle scene at face value to say Sebastian doesn't care about him.

>>4140
>They have a father and son dynamic
you hit the nail on the head nona. i find this new rhetoric of dadbastian very stupid and an obvious cope
>take the tentacle scene at face value
yeah this too. to me it has always been pretty obvious that the scene was just sebastian snapping ciel out of his trauma response state, iirc he later explicitly states he wasn't actually going to eat his soul. it's beyond me how people think it's proof he does not care, but i guess antis aren't exactly smart

i hate how the new gen 'fandom' mischaracterizes sebastian.
to add to the antis interpretation of sebastian and ciel's relationship, it's so weird how they claim that sebastian is a parental figure to ciel.
sebastian does not act like a father to ciel, just what. if your dad acts like sebastian call the cops.

somehow, the dadbastian meme manages to co-exist with the other part of the fandom who says sebastian is unable to feel anything at all. antis have been stuck at the "sebastian does not care about ciel" stage for years now.

sebastian has changed since the start of the series (as it's normal for characters to do) showing more emotion and empathy towards ciel and other characters, too. it's like antis can't conceptualize that it's possible for a character to evolve, and since sebastian was shown to be detached and self-serving at the start, then it means he will never be anything more than that. nuance completely flies over these people's head.

but imo, the worst of them all is people who say sebastian is a predator (lmao). they paint him like he's the actual antagonist of the series and ciel is his poor victim who is constantly abused and ruined by his evil influence.
i mean, hot, and true to an extent, but they forget that sebastian is the titular main character who is ciel's saviour and is helping him against the real villains. he takes very good care of ciel going way beyond his contract duties, and even has his own twisted semblance of morality

>they have a father-son relationship
What the antis don't realize is that I'm into that shit.

>>4144 (forgive my dissertation in yaoi ethics,)
You've hit the mark in so many ways with your post. What I love about BB is how nuanced the storytelling and characterization are. It's hard for me to imagine that people actually read it and picked the two extremes to defend. It's so silly, they most certainly don't have a paternal relationship, and making Sebastian seem like a callous monster is so blind, too. Literally it is just a cope to protect their fragile egos, if the fucking dadbastian claim falls through at least they can shrug and be, "welp, he was a demon anyways."

What I like is the push and pull of their relationship. Firstly, I saw them as business partners who have a sick-desperate kind of reliance on each other. I love that they need each other, but must remain guarded to an extent. Seeing how they have to struggle with their boundaries and trust, mhua! Fucking chefs kiss. Truly a delicious cherry on the dark, gothic cake. Throughout the series, seeing how their relationship developed and grew has been nice. BOTA does this so well. I also love seeing how Sebastian has personally grown. And then we got to see how he takes in what other characters teach him, like in the BOTC, it was honestly a surprise to see him learn from Agni and Soma, and it truly still shows within the witch arc. The moment he saw that Ciel was incapacitated, he could have taken Ciel’s soul right then and there. He didn’t have to return him to the castle, ask for Sullivan’s help, or even wait as long as he did before he activated the tentacle vore lol. He has never shown another human this kind of mercy.

What bothers me the most is how both sides have such similar mindsets in how they perceive Ciel. It's such a discredit to his character. They view him as just this weak and defenseless boy who was manipulated or needs rescuing (it's probably projection from their end. Those types love to paint themselves as the victims and then project onto their comfort characters. It’s such an immature mindset, like they literally cannot think beyond themselves. They have forgotten how clever and cunning Ciel actually is. Sure, he was put into the worst situation possible, and under stress and grief at the time of their meeting, but he holds the reins, uses Sebastian as his chest piece, and he was the one who set the conditions to their arrangement.

Yana conveys this so well in the extra chapter of Arthur Doyle's fairytales. Ciel doesn't want to be saved; he wants to be here.

>>4146
alexa play j cole, no role modelz

"don't save her, she don't wanna be saved~"

All this talk makes me laugh becaus the last time I interacted with the fandom was around 2011 or 2012 when everyone was still talking about the 2nd season and the manga. I wasn't in English and the discussions were typically "omg what's going to happen in the next episode/chapter?" and "Elizabeth is useless" (that was before the Campania arc for context) and "I hate Claude". Thinking about how some of the people you're all complaining about weren't even born yet when the manga started should be the number one argument as to why their opinions don't matter by the way.

>>4146
nona what else can i say if not ily? i completely agree with everything you said. i wanted to talk more about how ciel's character is misunderstood as well in my first post, but i was afraid of it getting too long.

the fact that antis project onto ciel and it shapes up their view of his personality and his dynamics with sebastian erroneously is so, so true. most antis are women, and ever since the very start of kuroshitsuji, ciel has been a self-insert of sorts for the girls. i think this is partly the intention of yana herself too, though thankfully ciel doesn't suffer from the lack of personality that is often found in characters with this role for the readers.

but in the past, the women who identified with ciel did not see sebastian as the big bad wolf. they acknowledged his layered character and it made him even more attractive. i guess many younger women in the fandom these days are the ~special snowflake~ kind who love to play the victim.

another interesting thing is the views of men into kuroshitsuji, too. they've always been a bit of a minority, so gauging a sample of what they think can be hard, but back in the day, it was very obvious that they all wanted to be sebastian lol. and it just made sense, because sebastian is the more masculine out of the two, both physically and in his role within the relationship, he is the strong guy who protects the weaker one, is super charming and popular with women and is a very active character who is able to do everything.

now i've noticed a rise of men who identify with ciel, which is so fascinatig to me because the more passive position that ciel has evidently appeals to a generation of men who follows the "soft boi" aesthetic, want mommy gf and refuse to do anything. and of course, they too paint sebastian like evil incarnate and ciel as a poor little thing with no agency in their relationship

and omg the ice king chapter is so beautiful. lizzy being btfo'd was so satisfying to see lol

>>4145
based.

>>4149
Thank you! I'm happy to see that others agree. Ciel is such a great character, I hate how he's been misrepresented.

Pretty much the only male fans of kuro I've seen have come from 4chan and they pretty much see Ciel as their boywife, while Sebastian is seen as their competition, kek. I guess I can't be surprised. Femboys are popular now and for some reason all shotas have been absorbed into that group.

>>4137
HOLY SHIT I'M SO READY

>>4152
the adaptation of the asthma scene in book of circus did not disappoint, it was so hot. i have high hopes for the tentacle sex, though i dont think it's the same studio anymore? not sure

>>4153
Yes, kuro has been with CloverWorks since the Public School Arc. I'm really curious to see how tomorrow turns out too. I hope they don't disappoint.

I've been obsessed with this for months

Happy Maid Day, Kuronation!

I'd seen screencaps before of that scene where he runs through the dead people from his past to get to Sebastian. It's good stuff.

>>4157
someone on twitter said that it represents him choosing sebastian over everyone else. yana tweeted that ciel's choice represents him choosing revenge over everything else. antis immediately jumped on sebaciels calling them delusional and the usual stuff, lmfao

btw anyone else likes vincent x diederich?

>>4158
the discourse is whack. much like a chip with salsa, sebastian is the best vehicle for revenge. Even just for this reason, ciel still needs him and will choose him again and again (anne made some cute art, always a banger)

I love them ahh. You just know that vincent and diedrich fucked around in school at some point. that butler nursing was an adorable chapter. vincent is such a freak

>>4159
i swear antis are always up to start the dumbest discourse imaginable, and it all falls apart even more miserably when you remember that yana drew shotacon of characters that look exactly like sebastian and ciel. if i was an anti i wouldnt even have started the series. now that we have them back together 24/7 in a luxury hotel i can just picture antis with a soyjak face at every new chapter we'll get

vincent is indeed a freak omg and they're in my ships that canonically at least frotted back in school list. it's interesting because they remind me of sebaciel in a lot of ways, you can tell that yana likes this dynamic

cute pic nona ♥

Why isn't Sebaciel canon? Yana is a fujo, her audience are all fujos, so what's stopping her? I'm not in the fandom, just genuinely curious

>>4160
it was always strange to me that there are so many new fans who are against the shipping aspect of the series. sure, kuro isn't as in your face as something like loveless but it's obvious what kind of series this is. they are truly delusional.

kek yana is so committed to her aesthetic. she delivers the same gift in a different package each time

>>4161
I think it's because Kuroshitsuji gets published in a shounen magazine, their editors probably won't allow it. Maybe it's time for her to upgrade to a seinen magazine or something the way Araki did with Jojo.

>>4161
as >>4163 said it's likely because of the magazine kuro is published on. i think this has to do with yana's own taste too though, i have a feeling that even if she could canonize sebaciel she would not. she's said before she thinks writing romance is exhausting and she feels more comfortable with action-centered stories.
i like it better this way too tbh. the tension, subtext and subtle eroticism of their relationship is what draws me to the ship and it'd be lost if they became canon.
i've always been more of a fanon shipper fujo than a BL reader one tho

>>4163
>>4162
Kuroshitsuji is the only bl-hinting manga I would read continuously. Straight canon bl is boring. With kuroshitsuji you have other plot aspects and it is the action and other character interactions that makes it whole. That's why it's so popular because it's a complete story and it doesn't only focus on the main pair but develops the other characters as well.

>>4154
I don't like the cgi teacups

>>4172
I hadn't even noticed the cgi teacups.
I've only ever noticed the horses

What are you counting? How many men you've fucked? Whore!

>>4199
What what WHAT??? What the hell is this?? New chapter??

>>4199
What if his neck tattoo is a mark just like Ciel's mark on his eye or Alois' mark on his tongue? What if it covers much more than his neck? Maybe this new guy signed a contract with another demon and he's getting both of them confused for some reason? It's insane how much more interesting the manga became once Sebastian and Ciel came back.

>>4199
I have lost ALL respect for this dumbass (lovingly)
>>4202
Could be true, Nonners? I'd bet on an imposter tease sometime soon.
I loved how crazy and dramatic things have gotten. I'm glad the leading boys are back.

>>4199
lol sebastian is becoming more and more human and it is so cute to see. he's so silly
yana really went for the bpd ex trope… i giggled the whole chapter especially at ciel wanting to know all about sebastian's contractors. jealousy? ♡

>>4209
It's fun to see people meme on it.