No.7069
>>7063Are you sure about that? I'd join in a heartbeat, but is it really not against their TOS?
No.7070
>>7064People don't make alts because only one phone number per Discord account, and accounts now demand phone numbers :(
No.7108
The unspoken and often uncomfortable rule of trannyfication is that not only most of the people doing transwashing are trannies themselves, but they are also rape victims of sorts so they somehow cannot tolerate seeing a single penis in their lives.
Oh and they'll make sure to tell you how they were raped all the fucking time. They love all the shota dead dove noncon guro gore rape and tell you how they project either on the raped or the rapist both whenever they start acting too much of a freak for comfort
No.7110
>>7108I forgot to say, they can only see PIV sex because they need to project their own rape so they can't understand regular BL rules or anything that doesn't have to do with their own rape projection
No.7111
>>7108>Oh and they'll make sure to tell you how they were raped all the fucking time. They love all the shota dead dove noncon guro gore rape and tell you how they project either on the raped or the rapist both whenever they start acting too much of a freak for comfortThis is honestly the reason for why I sometimes wonder how much it is even true. I know you shouldn't do this, but I cannot help it when I see the same people also bringing up a bunch of other illnesses, trauma, circumstances etc. to make them untouchable to criticism and say some other things that reveal that they are either lying or having a skewed perception of reality (like when they accuse me or someone I know better than them of doing something I and they know they didn't do). It gets worse when they are the types of people that equal shota with CP, anime soldiers with a pro-war stance and other weird things that have nothing to do with reality.
I I am probably wrong though. Personally I just cannot imagine that someone that experienced rape would be eager to tell everybody about it, including strangers on the net. It gives me second-hand uncomfortability, if this is even a thing (I doubt uncomfortability is even a word tbh but you get what I mean). On the other side it sounds plausible to identify as man or wanting to if you experienced such a thing.
But I also feel like "trans" doesn't mean anything anymore which doesn't make it easier since it's apparently not associated with any specific sort of behavior, presentation or fashion sense. A 30yo online friend I have casually told me she was trans last month out of the blue. She clearly didn't think so a year ago and there are 0 signs for it it honestly feels like she's just saying it because it sounds cool.
No.7119
>>7108My (anecdotal) experience is that a lot of gendies ironically have a feminization and misgendering fetish. I think its one of those psychological things like how repressed people can be more kinky. So they don't just like PiV, they're obsessed with PiV and usually breeding/pregnancy as well. I've seen FtMs describe the reasons they project on omegas.
There are some whose dysphoria means they don't want to read about PiV or trans characters but those people are either rarer or more silent.
>>7111>But I also feel like "trans" doesn't mean anything anymoreThis is also true. Majority of gendies now are just trenders.
No.7164
>>7155This. Men don't give a fuck about this. The large majority of gays isn't even into cartoons. If my personal experience is anything to go by the probability of finding gay fans of operas is way higher than finding a gay anime fan. Further, men generally don't really care about this stuff. At best you have spergs on 4chan bitching when anime they expected to pander to them doesn't deliver, but this kind never picks sausage fests or manly seinen up to begin with.
If you see anybody whining about being "fetishized" for being "gay" chances are very, very high it's a woman LARPing as tranny.
>second picWhat's up with trans being so infantile? I refuse to even talk about grownass adults that call their teddybears their soulmate.. Also,
>he/sheShe/he/whatever even has "she" in the pronouns lol how is it a gay man?
And like EVERY tranny she's obsessed with pink and princess shit. What the hell is up with this? I don't know any cis woman that particularly liked this, despite the associations with women. It feels like these people deliberately trying to match the exact image some trad conservative people have of women.
No.7174
>>7164>If you see anybody whining about being "fetishized" for being "gay" chances are very, very high it's a woman LARPing as tranny100% agreed, I lurked in a "fudanshi only" chat a while back that was a space for men to discuss BL without "fetishization," and out of the 100+ members I don't believe there was a single Y chromosome to be found
They also talked about binding and HRT much more often than actual BL, but of course the BL they did talk about wasn't "good representation" anyways, it was shit like Jinx lol
No.7175
>>7174Most of the self-proclaimed fudanshis I've come across are TIFs and the himejoshis are TIMs, funny how that works.
No.7202
>>7175I think it's because normal people don't feel like proclaiming their gender since they don't care and aren't insecure either. It's the same with pronouns. If you see "he/him" you know it's a woman and in 90% of the cases "she/her" are male trannies. There are exceptions like journalists and such, but I am talking about normal fandom members in this case.
>>7174It's honestly cursed. Like I am not a man but it's sad that nobody has a space on their own anymore, trannies invade everything and make it about themselves. I wonder if cis male and female fans of yuri have the same issues with troons. But at least male trannies usually don't change the gender of the girls and give them dicks outside of fetish threads on /d/. I don't know why women are so fucking obsessed with this.
No.7205
>>7202>trannies invade everything and make it about themselvesGod this. Yesterday I was talking about persona ships and they pulled started talking about BL WITH NAOTO
She’s not a tranny and I have zero interest in entertaining the idea of fakeboi yaoi in the first place.
No.7209
>>7184>Sanrio, particularly My MelodyI had to google this I never heard of this before. I knew hello kitty but thought it was just a random mascot. It's weird that people can be fan of this. I feel like the whole "cute" and tranny culture (it's the same to me) is alien to me and if I saw someone like that walking around outside I would assume it's a kid with special needs tbh.
>>7205lmao I really want to know the psychological background behind the obsession of changing everybody's gender. I guess it's not even about that, they probably just want het ships but yaoi sounds quirky and they want to be quirky so everything they like is yaoi.
Or maybe these people are just too online to know what sexes even are anymore. I recently found some people to talk about a bearded anime character I love and we barely talked and they were already explaining why he's a woman. It's cursed and I will never be able to make fandom friends anymore.
No.7212
>>7209>I had to google this I never heard of this before. I knew hello kitty but thought it was just a random mascot. It's weird that people can be fan of this.If you've somehow never heard of sanrio and/or associate everything pink and cute with trannies you may be too terminally online. Girls being proud of being girly and liking pink and wearing dresses and accesorizing is the most "girl" thing to do and that's why it's popular but it's exactly because it's such a display of 'proud femininity' that it's become associated with trannies because they want what they can't have and never will be
No.7214
>>7212>>7211The opposite I am not really online. I post a bit here, a bit on /a/ but rarely and otherwise just browse fanart for half an hour on twitter and that's it. I legit never saw any girl that dressed in pink back when I was at school or when I walk around outside now unless there is a cosplay event. Pretty sure this is a cultural phenomenon. It seems more of an Eastern Asian and US thing to me. Or those are at least the only people I ever saw wearing this.
And yes I go outside everyday and I have friends. I live in a huge ass city.
No.7216
>>7215I guess I just didn't know since it doesn't seem to be a thing where I live. I would be puzzled if I saw a toddler walking around like
>>7184 but if it's an older teen or an adult I would assume the person isn't normal in their head. It's like walking around in a teddybear costume to me. I doubt it would even be accepted here, certainly not at work that's for sure.
I mostly see it with "transmen" so I assumed it was a tranny thing. I assume "transwomen" also do it but they aren't in my fandoms and real life trannies are rare here or at least don't openly how it.
No.7218
>>7155Are people finally waking up? Even though there's no need for a 'study' because it's obvious why if you think about it for 2 seconds lol.
>"cute" and tranny culture (it's the same to me) is alien to me>A lot of women like pink and lolitaIt really depends on where you're from. Kawaii culture originates from Japan and feminine cute fashion is the norm there, but parts of it, particularly lolita, were inspired by western vintage feminine fashions. But now, most women wear jeans and T-shirts so if you dress in a fluffy dress you aren't in the norm and may be picked on. When I was growing up in the 00's, girly fashion was a big thing in American media, but if you tried to dress like that you'd get picked on. After becoming a weeb my style did a 180 and I ditched all my jeans for skirts - but I remember one day trying a ribbon in my hair and got picked on for it, so I took it off. Now, I see hair ribbons absolutely everywhere in the shops and people actually wearing them. Trends change. Female (and male) weebs are also the most likely group to be into kawaii fashion by benefit of being weebs.
But re: trans obsession with femininity, I see more dressing like hookers. MtFs into lolita are usually sissies who will wear rancid fetish dresses but sometimes do squeeze themselves into actual brand. You rarely see them into fashions with low sex/fetish appeal.
No.7219
>>7216Women wearing super feminine and frilly/dolly stuff in public is uncommon unless you're at cons but generally pink and cute stuff (especially mascots) isn't, at least not where I live. "Sanrio girl" is even a term used by normies I know. I'm Asian American and live in a primarily Asian area though, so maybe being into this kind of cute youthful stuff is more normal.
No.7220
>>7164lol gay men can be into anime, they just have normie taste in media, but the gay men i know don't care about yaoi, they think it's just anime porn that they don't really care for, but they won't judge anyone for it, normies think being into anything beyond shounen slop is like being a perverse degenerate, so it really doesn't matter if your into yume, yaoi or yuri, you're still a loser in their eyes
No.7221
>>7219Even here in the USA south you’ll see Hello Kitty Girls. Heck, Walmart sells Sanrio products now. It’s not uncommon to see high-school and college-aged girls and women wearing hello kitty products. I find that tifs are more likely to wear alt fashion at my local university.
No.7222
>>7220Back in the old days the prejudice about the degenerated anime fan always wondered me but nowadays I even understand why it exist and I hate that I do. In the 90s and 00s I associated anime with exciting action stories, gritty sci-fi and shoujo drama. Now the majority is legit coomer shit. I am not even saying that good anime aren't made anymore (they exist and every season has at least decent good shows IMO) but it's true that the variety dropped dramatically if you compare an anime season of 2007 and 2011 with anything now.
I also feel like the targets of fanservice and aggressive sexualisation are getting younger too. The Sailor Moon girls look way more mature to me than the average anime girl from modern series, but maybe it's just me. Not even starting with the loli and "totally not"-loli sexualisation. I hate it because anime have so much good to offer but casuals will ignore it because they assume that everything that isn't mainstream was coomer shit and I cannot even blame them. But I am sad for the good series that get overlooked for this.
No.7223
>>7218I think the anime culture is just way bigger in the US than most other western countries. The US is generally more juvenile and way more extroverted than some other places. I talk to a few people from there and they're seeing fans walking around with anime stuff everywhere or anime stickers on their cars (in most other countries people don't even put stickers on cars in the first place). One said that randos in the streets or coworkers recognized merch of stuff like Ousama Ranking, which baffled me.
I maybe see someone wearing anime merch once every 3-4 months and it's basically always a Turkish or Ethiopian male zoomer with DBZ or Naruto shirt. My country lacks young people though and I don't hang around with zoomers so maybe I would encounter more otaku if I did.
No.7226
>>7223>I think the anime culture is just way bigger in the US than most other western countries.Are you insane? Anime and manga have been mainstream in many European countries for decades, we had JJBA, Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball in France and Italy way before the US and that's only one small example among many.
No.7227
>>7226Yeah Italy and France are both famous for having a huge, dedicated fanbase for anime and manga since the 80's, IIRC manga surpassed western comic sales in these countries ages before it did in the US. They've even been creating their own western manga and anime-inspired shows for a very long time, way before American shows like ATLA.
No.7228
>>7224The catchphrase is weird. I would have expected that "yaoi" or "fujos" rule the world not girls, that woman isn't even a girl she's an adult. But the photo is very funny. I wonder if the others on the photo noticed it.
>>7226I know, I bought manga since 1999. But I am talking about visibility. Having media is something different from walking around like a nerdy autist. German fans don't really show that they are anime fans. Manga sales were always good but it's different from wearing anime shirts, keychains and plastering anime stickers on the backpack you wear at work.
Books are big here too and in most other countries, but you don't see people walking around with Harry Potter merch either. At least not here. Fandoms are generally more private whereas US people show everything they like to everybody.
No.7229
>>7228>Manga sales were always good but it's different from wearing anime shirts, keychains and plastering anime stickers on the backpack you wear at work. France is exactly that but worse though. People shamelessly read manga or watch anime when commuting or during lunch break, they wear subtle or obvious merchs depending on their styles, you have random 50s old women telling you Ryo Saeba is their husbando since the 90s in the workplace if they see you have a keychain from an anime, etc. The only reason why it's more the case now than before in France is because these things are more accessible in physical or online stores. By the way when I was crossing Spain every summer as a kid to see relatives somewhere else I was always begging my parents to buy me random Sailor Moon merchs we saw in stores or markets and they always told me it was only bootleg. No clue if there are Spanish anons who can confirm or not whether Spain was also full of weaboos since the 80s or 90s.
>Books are big here too and in most other countries, but you don't see people walking around with Harry Potter merch eitherI do though, usually people are subtle with it, but sometimes they'll wear an official scarfs or a handbag they bought in Primark. It's mostly younger people who wear the most obnoxious merchs though.
No.7232
>>7226italian nona here, anime was very popular in italy in the 90s and very early 2000s, but that goes for very limited, often children oriented titles.
anime that had even slightly more mature themes were heavily rebranded through censorship and marketing ops to make them appear more child-friendly.
nowadays, anime in italy is well-known, but compared to the us and many other euro countries, it is still regarded as a niche interest. the occasional normie will watch an anime series if it becomes extremely popular and if it has potential with a western audience (like AoT), but will absolutely not go beyond that.
anime in italy isn't an entirely normalized interest yet, and this contributes to it not being as widespread as it is in the us by any means. italian youth is mainly made up of people who have a very distinct idea of what is "cool" and watching anime isn't seen as cool.
No.7234
>>7229>random 50s old women telling you Ryo Saeba is their husbando since the 90sKekkk my near-retired old boss gushed about mecha anime to me the second he smelled my interest in manga, i love that weebshit is inter-generational here. Re: Yaoi i realized recently we had an actual BL prepublication magazine in the 2000s (Be x Boy) but it wasn't available outside of bookshops. Bummer
No.7235
>>7228>Fandoms are generally more private whereas US people show everything they like to everybody.A factor to consider is that the US is so big if you want any chance at IRL dork friends you have to fly your flag. If a German weeb befriends another German weeb online, they are like a day trip away from each other max.
No.7236
>>7232Another italian nona! The popularity of anime as a medium has always been a bit of a weird topic imo. Overall I'd say 70's and 80's anime is extremely wellknown and iconic here to the point everyone has seen at least a few. Normies don't really consider them anime, everyone calls them cartoons, but even my parents who call every 2d character pikachu have seen Rose of Versailles and Goldrake, even the prime minister Giorgia Meloni has openly talked about anime like Captain Harlock. But again, they're considered "classic cartoons", not really anime.
Nowadays I do see more people getting into anime, but kinda superficially? Though I guess you can make that argument for most countries since watching (certain types of) anime is becoming more common.
No.7237
>>7226I agree with
>>7236 the series that are popular here are usually super mainstream or related to very small children and normies really don't consider them anime, the really "japanese" series are unheard of
No.7267
>>7228The catch phrase is from a song
No.7268
>>7229To be honest I also read manga in the subways. This is different than merch for me. Personally I am not the guy that identifies with anything and I don't like labels so I am dressed very neutral and don't wear accessories or anything (they have no practical use anyway). Wearing anime merch is a statement IMO or at least an identity thing. I watch and read a lot of anime/manga and casually even buy figures and doujinshi but never identified as nerd so maybe it's that.
>>7232Yeah I became fan of anime because of Italy. I was often there as kid since I'm half-Italian and understand Italian so I watched tv there and they were airing a lot of cool shit Germany didn't about like Slayers, Queen Millennia, Lupin, Saint Seiya etc. Italy's taste is generally much better AFAIK they also love horror, giallos and shit like Dorohedoro sells very well there if I am informed right while it barely sells here. Manga in general are selling well and we get tons of series but it's the same few series and genres that make 95%+ of the money, namely the big name shounen and romcoms. We get endless new releases of yaoi since the early 00s so I assume they'll sell well too, but maybe the licenses aren't expensive either since most of these are short series.
No.7269
>>7230I genuinely don't know if this is satire or real because I scrolled the second link and saw a post with 5000 notes agreeing with forced transition.
No.7304
I don't watch Kuroshitsu..ji? you know what I mean. But I just saw an online person I know say he was surprised that this show had a "transwoman". He apparently means the red haired guy. The explanation is
> I mean in the dub this person uses female pronouns
Unless this is true (cannot confirm, since I don't watch it) dubs might be largely to blame for the increase of transwashing. I don't watch dubs EITHER so I cannot tell how common this is. Remember that English dubs aren't the only ones out there. In this case it's the Spanish dubs. I already noticed before that the ESP and Brzilian dubs seem to be pretty generous with their interpretations. My favorite man was recently openly called gay and said to flirt with the other half of my ship while it was ambivalent in the original.
No.7306
>>7304>But I just saw an online person I know say he was surprised that this show had a "transwoman". He apparently means the red haired guy. From what I could tell, Grell talks in a feminine way in the japanese version as well and it's the other characters that refer to him as a male. It's just that this character archetype, the okama, is hard to convey to a western audience. I'm not japanese so take my explanation with a grain of salt but it seems like okama are some form of feminine gay guy and/or drag queen and I've seen the term translated as 'queer' before but also just as 'drag queen'. Other example characters are Leeron from Gurren lagann and Nathan/Fire emblem from Tiger&Bunny.
No.7307
>>7306Language barriers are a real problem with gender stuff. Lots of languages even gender the adjectives so it's impossible to stay gender neutral and then again you can use male language for yourself as a woman (see "boku" in Japanese) without implying that you are trans. I do it myself in my own language, partly because feminine forms are more specific and longer and using male forms is unironically more neutral. Nobody would assume I was trans because of that but how do you convey this into English? No idea.
Usually they just skip that altogether and you have to have basic Japanese skills to realise that a woman refers to herself as boku or a man as atakushi. The first is generally kind of common, but for the latter I wouldn't equal it with trans.
On the other hand I have to ask myself what kind of speech a male character would use to show that he's trans if he actually was? Probably the same pronouns.
This is the problem. Japanese is more ambiguous about this. Drags also refer to themselves as women but aren't necessarily trans.
No.7333
>>7306Grell's way of talking is literally the Japanese version of effeminate gay "yaass sis go slay queen bring the tea" dialect because he's a literal okama, not a trans woman.
>>7307All the talk about pronouns in Japan comes from an extremely western point of view in general because all they imply are the speaker's manners/temperament and the hierarchical context rather than gender identity, like no woman who refers to herself as "boku" amidst friends will do so when addressing a higher up at work just like no man will refer to himself as "ore" in the same situation. No grown woman will refer to herself as "atashi" because it's literal cutesy baby talk. Gendered pronouns don't really exist in Asian languages because you're supposed to know the person you're talking about, kare and kanojo are often claimed to be the "he" and "she" in Japanese but nobody really uses them because it's the equivalent of xir/ximself i.e. awkward newspeak that sounds unnatural to native speakers.
No.7335
>>7333Isn't atashi more just excessively feminine and somewhat old fashioned? I feel like you either see it on young girls or old ladies with little inbetween. It was more common in the past.
Can you elaborate on kare and kanojo being newspeak? I see them used often enough. They have their use but just not as often, like for example in narrative writing.
No.7336
>>7306>the okama, is hard to convey to a western audience.It's because it's an archetype that encompasses effeminate gay men, drag queens and HSTSs all at the same time. This didn't really use to be an issue in the past because MtFs were already seen as connected to effeminate gay men and they fell under the umbrella of male homosexuality, but now they're 100% real women so fandom gendies don't really know what to make of them. One thing that's kinda weird that I see with okama characters recently is the obsession with making them brave and stunning transbians, instead of keeping their attraction to men. Frankly, I wouldn't even particularly care if fandom gendies she/her-ed okama characters if they didn't insist on making an archetype that, even using the trans interpretation, is associated with male homosexuality into AGPs. I see it all the time in Enstars fandom with Arashi who is canonically attracted to men but the fans all pretend he's a "transbian" who's into the female MC. I'm convinced fandom gendies find actual homosexuality gross at this point, even when they're given an archetype they could genuinely use to play with their tranny headcanons, they make it as aggressively heterosexual as possible.
No.7337
>>7336The okama to transbian headcanon phenomenon is amusing because most of the time in practice, making a character the okama trope is basically gay-coding. Not the delusional shit like "zomg this character has this flag's color scheme" but the creator's way of saying this character is a full blown fag. It's the one time fandombrained teens genuinely get something that can be considered queer-coding which they seem to love so much, but reject it in this case anyway. The Arashi lesbian shit always makes me laugh because outside of yume-esque lines, all he talks about is men.
No.7338
>>7336It's technically the same IMO. It's just gender-roles.
The difference is how transness is handled in the west. An okama or any other man that refers to himself as woman is aware of his biological sex and won't force others to refer to him as woman. He might say "A lady like me" or something, but doesn't react if you refer to him as man because he knows he is one.
That aside it's situational, as you said. Anime characters are weirder. So an okama might even refer to himself as lady in a job interview, but that's because they're anime characters.
Transness is basically the same, a person that LARPs or feels like the opposite gender and/or enjoys referring themselves as such. The difference is that they try to deny their (original) gender and force others to use their favorite pronouns on them. This is the central problem with trans IMO. For many you cannot even tell they're trans because they don't look or act like it, so you can't know their pronouns or will feel stupid using them.
So I think that while trans and certain subtypes of okama and drags are pretty much the same the conflict arises from the misunderstanding of the social context they are embedded in. Because nobody else from their respective series is usually referring to them as women. It's more of a roleplay. I even enjoy it, I sometimes like okama. But it lacks the political aspect and seriousness of western transness.