No.4463
>>4462>Rantaro ships confuse me, he's an absolute non-character in my opinion and I don't see how you can care about him enough to ship himHe's hot
No.4464
>>4463>>4462kinda fucked they killed off the hottest character right away, you could make a case for Ouma secretly lusting after him since he stole his statue and placed it in his room but i can't really picture him dating anyone especially after how boring his hotel event is, Shirogane thinking he's gay is kinda funny considering her later role, ngl the amount of homosexuality in DRV3 was kinda crazy (that martial arts girl, Shuichi being bi, Ouma in general, incestfag doing bondage with Shuichi in his hotel event)
>>4461nah I agree that the dynamics in the first two games were a lot more intense and interesting, at least there's good fanart
No.4465
>>4464>kinda fucked they killed off the hottest character right awayIt's kinda dangan tradition to have the 'important seeming character' dying first.
>you could make a case for Ouma secretly lusting after him since he stole his statue and placed it in his roomEh, pretty sure he just stole it at random since he was stealing a bunch of evidence he calls him nii chan in the manga though which is pretty cute.
>especially after how boring his hotel event isI thought it was really cute…the event that launched a shit ton of phantom thief AU fanart.
>ngl the amount of homosexuality in DRV3 was kinda crazyAnd then Kodaka immediately dropped his fujo audience once he left spikechun, you gotta really stretch it to find anything fujo in his post V3 works (like, maybe Yuma with Makoto but that's kinda all I can think of)
No.4466
>>4461Agreed. It had a pretty weak cast of characters. I'm not a huge Danganronpa fan, so I'm not involved in the fandom or anything, but I legitimately cannot remember any of the V3 characters except for Ouma, the engineer girl, and the big guy. The characters just didn't stand out to me at all. I think it's hard to ship two characters when they lack any memorable interactions.
No.4468
>>4465ah i don't mean Ouma's hotel event being dull i mean Rantaro's, smh don't remind me how disappointing rain code was hopefully Kodaka's new "danganronpa but not danganronpa" game has something for us
>>4466there are multiple characters who even with Shuichi i can't really picture having a back and forth with and some I genuinely forgot about since they left no impression on me, a lot of the characters such as the maid, midget robot, the incestfag (his amazing character design being wasted on a siscon will forever annoy me), Rantaro and Shirogane I really can't ship with anyone or even care about their dynamics with other characters even if they themselves had potiental
No.4469
>>4468>i mean Rantaro'sOoooh okay
>hopefully Kodaka's new "danganronpa but not danganronpa" game has something for usI have really low expectations honestly, Rui's pretty much rushed character design wise for the past few games so he doesn't have time to make good ones anymore so 99% of the characters in it look really bad.
No.4770
>>4377No its just boring and some of us do not care how canon a ship is in gachaslop. Especially Hoyo shit. I've seen better and all the shippers have is just listing tropes and saying it's good only because its canon, but that means nothing to me when the canon itself is so boring.
No.4771
>>4770So you just hate it because it's "hoyo gachaslop"? Just say so up front so everyone knows you're being a contrarian and won't bother with a reply.
No.4774
>>4421Everytime a series that tries to be marketed as fujo content is starting there is always another series airing at the same time that is merely advertised as seinen, shounen, mecha or history series that happens to be five times gayer naturally than anything the alleged fujo series is trying to achieve artificially.
It doesn't help that these series are weirdly focused on appeasing "both sides" so they usually make it (at best) an one-sided love and the other character confirms that he's very hard for women or looking for brothels at least once per episode to make sure that anti-gay fags and husbando fags won't drop it when these people would have never picked the series up to begin with.
No.4775
>>4774Yeah no amount of "here's 2 dudes just for you, you dirty fujo!" kind of shilling will ever tear me away from the innate homoeroticism of a basic bitch shounen ship. What's extra insulting is they don't seem to have a fujo anywhere in the production chain to give their notes sniff and tell them if there's anything worth going KYAAA over in there.
No.4784
>>4774>>4775All of those fujobait series have the most boring line-up of men imaginable unless it has enough balls to be a full on yaoi.
The series with ten ikemen with interchangeable body types are the worst ones. It is funny though that actually good series that we think of as "fujobait" like Black Butler or Pretty Boy are shounen series not even shoujo.
No.4794
>>4775Yes that part is incredibly weird. I know seinen and shounen where it was women making the adaptions gayer and more fujo. They exist, they work in the industry and homofy series and yet the team that actively want to attract them somehow never get such people on board first.
>>4784Everytime. And it's such a no brainer again. If you want to attract a big fanbase then add variety. The series I love the the most are those that feature all kinds of men, from shota to 40 year old funny dudes and various body types and amounts of muscles. Plus point if one of them is brown or tanned. And yet all I usually get from fujo targeting series are a bunch of guys that look exactly the same safe for the different hair styles and one single trait that defines them.
Seriously they should just look up shounen and seinen fandoms, look what pairings and characters are popular and get some ideas.
No.5084
>>5068Same. I can rationally see why it's very good fujobait, but my heart doesn't follow.
No.6617
>>6613This reminds me that when I watched Bungou stray dogs I never felt anything for Dazai/Chuuya.
No.6628
>>6617same, nonna. i can mostly understand what the appeal is, but they set off nothing for me.
i never liked chuuya even on his own, though, so there’s a bias here. No.6745
I’ve been watching Teen Wolf and it irks me that if I didn’t know that Derek x Stiles is the most popular ship, it wouldn’t have been on my radar at all. After I finished the first and second season, I decided to look into it because I thought there must be more interesting canon content for them later in the series, but apparently seasons 1-2 were when the ship actually became popular. And the explanation for it was that it was a “pair the spares” ship which makes a lot more sense now that I know. Because the canon het ships from those seasons got in the way of the more interesting (imo) gay ships from those two seasons (Scott x Stiles, Jackson x Stiles, or even Derek x Jackson). Even then, I’d have thought the fans would’ve been interested in Danny being canon gay and Jackson’s only actual friend outside of Lydia or even the fact that Stiles has a few comedic gay moments with Danny, but I guess Danny didn’t have enough screen time for fans to latch on. But I do wonder if archival issues might also be at play because I’m pretty sure livejournal was still being used when Teen Wolf first started airing and then tumblr was where most fans probably conversed. Not saying Derek x Stiles wasn’t the most popular at all times, but that other gay ships might not have gotten much attention or archiving even if there was enough content.
No.6750
>>6745>I’ve been watching Teen Wolf and it irks me that if I didn’t know that Derek x Stiles is the most popular ship, it wouldn’t have been on my radar at allReally? That ship is my only recollection of the show even existing. Are they the two leads and it's just the two popular characters being smashed together or are the other characters you mentioned equally given screentime as well?
No.6752
>>6750So Scott is the lead of the show and Stiles is his human best friend while Derek is the nephew of the werewolf that bit Scott. They all get a decent amount of screen time. Danny was just a reoccurring character while Jackson had a lot of screen time during the first two seasons but left the show after season 2. But by then, Derek x Stiles was already the most popular ship. And from looking into it more, the biggest reason was that they were two hot guys with an enemy to lovers dynamic. And according to their shippers, they have a lot of chemistry on the show and it picks up in season 3 (which I’m halfway through and have barely seen much with these two. Even the scenes they reference from the first two seasons aren’t that ship worthy imo). But it seems like they also started teasing the ship in the show itself after season 3, but Derek’s actor was sorta on break after season 4, so he didn’t get much screen time after that. I think the fanfic quality also might be in play. I’ve read a bit of Derek x Stiles fanfic and there’s a lot of pretty good fanfics that make me interested in the ship, but canon-wise, I’d have never been interested in it. Also apparently the creators pulled a proto-Voltron incident where they teased the hell out of Derek x Stiles at cons and on social media, which ended up pissing off a lot of fans when Derek x Stiles didn’t happen. I’m surprised I never heard of the fallout in this fandom so they were really good at keeping their issues insular.
No.6756
>>6752Thanks for the run-down nonna, I'm shocked Derek isn't the MC since looking from the outside at the fandom that's the impression. I've gotten. Judging from just the arctypes you've listed it seems like Scott/Derek would have been my guess to be most popular though of course actors
>they teased the hell out of Derek x Stiles at cons and on social media, which ended up pissing off a lot of fans when Derek x Stiles didn’t happen. Of fucking course, one day TV fans will stopping falling for this, but i wonder if that contributed to the kegacy as people would write post-canon fix its out of spite.
No.6757
>>6752I know the Voltron comparison is in regards to con teasing, but the difference between the two series is pretty funny in how TW freely baited Stiles, an adult/minor ship, while Voltron fans assblasted Shiro's VA for years for not denouncing Sheith.
No.6767
>>6756>I'm shocked Derek isn't the MC since looking from the outside at the fandom that's the impressionI also didn’t think Scott was the MC from seeing the fanfics I would come across while searching specific tags on ao3, I thought Stiles was the MC before watching. He’s the fandom bicycle from what I can tell. I feel like it’s kinda rare for a male main character to not be the fandom bicycle and even rarer for him to not even be in the top three most popular slash ships. (Those go to Derek x Stiles, Peter x Stiles, and Liam x Theo).
>I wonder if that contributed to the legacy as people would write post-canon fix its out of spiteOh there’s a lot of fix-it and Canon Divergence fics and I imagine the movie from a few years ago spawned a bunch.
From what I know, Derek dies in it.>>6757It’s absolutely interesting to see older live action TV shows where the fandom was super chill about shipping adult/minor ships. Like Buffy, Smallville, and Teen Wolf all have adult/minor ships as their most popular ones. I guess it helps that the actors are usually older than the characters they portray, but I can’t imagine some of this stuff sliding in modern fandom spaces even with older actors.
No.7383
>>7382I love them so fucking much but to each their own
No.7385
>>7382Anon, there is a multi hour video on youtube explaining Riku's gayness for Sora and while it's all a deconstruction by a fan, it makes so much sense.
All you need is KH1 Riku saying he was just messing with Sora in Traverse Town and Maleficent's reaction of "sure kid" in the way she looks at him.
I don't agree with their "queer lense" justification because Japan's view on being gay is not like the west. And I dislike how they make this long ass essay entirely from a Western POV. Even with the translations they do.
But I didn't see anything between them until the end of KH2. When Sora professes he'd gladly stay in what is effectively dark hell forever as long as he was with Riku. Not a single mention of Kairi, Roxas or any character thus far.
No.7389
>>7388
>But I didn't see anything between them until the end of KH2. When Sora professes he'd gladly stay in what is effectively dark hell forever as long as he was with Riku
Maybe it'll grow on me as well, I just beat the first one and right now all I see is two guys fighting over Kairi
No.7390
>>7389The second game will awaken you. It just gets gayer from there
No.7391
>>7389Soriku is a yaoi staple anon, it will find you. soon.
No.7425
>>7382>>7385Okay but Sora is generally agreed to be uke right?
No.7435
>>7425Yes, I’m not even a kingdom hearts fan and I know that.
No.9074
>>9072>>9073I never got Kurama/Hiei either, I feel like people only shipped them because they were in kahoots with each other in the beginning and it just stuck despite the two barely having any interactions past that arc. If you ask me, the only reason Kuwabara/Yusuke never took off the way Kurama/Hiei did was because Kuwabara wasn't a bishounen and because he was infatuated with Yukina at the same time.
No.9079
>>9074Hiei isn't even good-looking either. I was confused why so many women were into his ugly manlet ass kek
No.9080
>>9079Way back when, they had official yaoi posters.
picrel was THE image on anime fansites for yaoi couples
No.9081
>>9080I remember that one. Not as gay as the Getbackers one, but at least both Ban and Ginji are cute. Hiei is fucking hideous
No.9085
>>6757>while Voltron fans assblasted Shiro's VA for years for not denouncing SheithAbsolutely fucking based. I never even watched the whole show but what little I watched I did for Sheith. Reminded me so much of Erwin/Levi.
No.9096
>>9084Seconding, the show focused way too much on the screeching harpy loli for me to enjoy it
No.9129
Any inuyasha or ranma bl ships, i get the rivalry but Rumiko considers BL just a joke and I can tell from her stories, her canonical straight ships aren't good either.Kishimoto is the only mainstream author that had the biggest bl vibes imo.
No.9130
>>9096That's actually my reason to hate it too I just didn't want to get into it. I think by the time she was doing her stupid little singing I turned the whole thing off. They should have just done two separate shows.
If they wanted to include cute moe girls to attract the het male audience they could have done something similar to Samurai Flamenco instead.
No.9149
>>9145There's a secret magic jitsu that can make it possible for men to make babies. Or Orochimaru makes them test tube babies. It's hotter if Naruto bottoms plus he's the better parent anyways so he can be the "mom"
No.9150
>>9145>>9149Nart can hold the sexy no jutsu for 9 months easy.