No.8865
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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.8866
>>8715>>8716My personal issues with Jinx have more to do with the quality of the writing than any qualms about "abuse". I like the characters, but it feels like the author has no idea what to do with them. Like she wrote herself into a corner and now she doesn't know how to get out because Jaekyung abused Dan to the point that Dan lost all interest in him and now it's too late for him to redeem himself and the story is now more about Dan's family trauma while Jaekyung is trying to shoehorn himself back into his life just for sex. It's stupid, if I wanted to watch a dumb roidpig pine for someone he treated badly I'd just watch normie reality TV. But it feels like most people read Jinx for the sex scenes and because they think Dan is cute or Jaekyung is hot but don't really give a shit about them as a couple.
No.8872
>>8867>i am confused when people make fun of fujos for only shipping hot boys together when literally everyone is like thisIt's just misogyny and making fun of women for liking pretty boys because popular with women = bad / dumb. Most discourse makes me think of Lindsay Ellis's Dear Stephanie Meyer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O06tMbIKh0 No.8873
>>8867>>8872Inverse happens too even here. Can't like hot fuys because then you're shallow can't like unconventional men because then you've fallen for "ugly man psyop." It's all so frustrating.
No.8874
>>8867>old woman yuri and the "women" are barely 20I have this same gripe with 'old man yaoi' and one of the "old men" is barely 30 but that aside, the "fujos" who exclusively only do transbend/genderbend into yuri or trans ships I feel like they have that internalized shame of being a fujo, that being a fujo is stupid and cringe and fetishizing men while also having the tumblr activism mentality of "stop centering your life around men (and start liking women)"
No.8875
>>8873It goes beyond frustration being told whatever I do I'm wrong. I'm shallow for liking conventionally attractive men and fake or disgusting for liking ugly men. I'm a pervert for liking BL and a lesbian in denial for anything f/f. I'm lying about liking BL if I have a girlfriend and if I ever sleep with a man I'm simply a slut.
When you accept that the people throwing labels at you do not want you to enjoy anything it becomes easier to ignore them.
No.8876
>>8872I don't understand that when called out, there's always push back when it's so blatantly the truth.
Kids these days are aaaaall about canceling people they dislike but they turn away the moment it could actually help a person.
Not to say I rely on kids, I just think years of being a fan of shows with massive female audiences who get hate would start some sort of awareness that maybe people really do hate it because of the fans.
Kingdom Hearts was never kept alive by straight shippers that's for sure even though people act like it suddenly always has. All of this Sora x Kairi art that surged since years after KH3 wasn't keeping KH in circulation between 2005-2019. Watching Mouthwashing getting bashed until the devs themselves told people to shut up was probably the most satisfying thing to happen as a response to fandom.
No.8878
>>8866That criticism is valid, especially when the author had a similar issue with BJ Alex (to a lesser degree since Jaekyung is much trashier). They've never been good at writing a strong couple … even the side ship for the actor has next to no chemistry or charisma outside of the sex scenes.
To keep on topic to venting, I wish more authors were able to balance having interesting characters with their relationship. Every genre has its slop, but sometimes it feels like you have to dig especially hard in BL works to find the gems.
No.8880
>>8879I've seen popular "pinky toe into bear territory" art of some of the anime twunks I like but the second it's that stretchmarks/rolls uwu shit I'm out. I saw a pic for a zine with a couple I could only recognize one of and then had to dig into the artist's socials to see what character the other one was because it was so amorphous there was nothing remaining of the character to clue me in
(It's Sylvain). Artists who go so off model they are drawing a completely different person baffle me. Just make them OCs and call it a day.
No.8881
>>8879>Unspeakable monstrous creatures with inhuman genitaliaThis sounds more appealing to me than fat hairy men and I'm sure most of Tumblr would agree (even if they don't admit it)
Hell I'd probably be down for a fat hairy ship if a single person wrote it in a way that wasn't either 1. bland body positivity moral high-horsing or 2. just fetish porn
No.8882
>>8879Dear Tumblr TIFs, being fat is unattractive and you aren't somehow more sophisticated for claiming to be attracted to ugly / fat / hairy / "monstrous" men instead of cute twinks. Having a superiority complex over liking uggos makes you the retarded one.
No.8883
>>8882idk chubby boys can be cute, for instance I like the MC of Accel World. A lot of that stereotypical art they draw is just intentionally ugly. I'm kind of under the impression that literally any trait or defect can be made cute and it's just the execution that determines if it's good.
No.8885
>>8879As a debu fan this user is stupid. They're excluding chubby/skinnyfat manlets, as well as body type difference pairs. If you really like fat then contrast in types is great fetish material. Submissive chubby-muscular characters are adorable too but they've decided that "sub" comes with a strict appearance code to justify it not being "masculine".
>>8882I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat characters, they just enjoy having something they can draw that they don't fuck up. If it comes out ugly then it's still succeeding. Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between joints. Many of them are winging it with rounded shapes and repetitive body shapes scaled up or down. Saw one last month who had two characters who were the exact same shape (and therefore fat distribution), but because they wanted one to be larger than the other they were, literally, larger and the smaller character had a teeny skull in comparison.
No.8886
>>8885this explains ginjikas after 2018.
I hate human AUs and everyone's a fat nosed, fat bodied, trooned out self-insert.
A lot of non-human series I like often have humanoid AUs that their official creators make and they're always attractive. But the fans- that's to say, people who use being ugly as east mode, ignore them. Even this design, only asian artists are on model. It's like tumblr 'artists' abhor the idea that they should consider making a girl prettier than them
Bumblebee has several official human modes and all of them are fit and cute. And the one brown skinned, male one they ignore because he's very skinny. Kind of funny how Bumblebee has two female human forms though.
No.8890
>>8885>Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between jointsI'd argue that fat people are harder to draw well because not only do you need to understand anatomy you have to account for fat distribution and how gravity/positioning affects it. You can see this lack of understanding not only in fat art but also the kind of hentai where boobs don't hang and squish haha.
>>8886It's before 2018 but Homestuck was pretty terrible about this too. It was the first time I encountered extreme transformations instead of just little tweaks like an aqualine nose or freckles or something.
No.8892
>>8883chubby characters can be cute but they try to virtue signal over characters drawn like ugly bastards like you said kek
No.8893
>>8892Yeah exactly, I agree with the nonna who said they probably don't even like them. Plenty of good debu artists and characters, these people just want a pat on the back for being different.
No.8894
>>8885>I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat charactersYou can usually tell when they do, if they aren't already making blatant fat fetish content. It's like vorefags and detailed mouths or footfags and detailed feet. I think something like rcdart fat Tony Stark is an example of ugly for the sake of ugly while stuff like
>>8890 Homestuck fandom shit usually felt to me like people genuinely being attracted to their ugly art.
No.8900
>>8899>never turn yuri into yaoithis shit pisses me off. i have to see hundreds of genderbends of my beautiful yaoi boys turned into girls that is not even tagged half the time but if you do the reverse you will be called a misogynist cock sucking male centered pick me. yuritards get SO mad when fujos draw two boys in the utena sword pull pose they call it actual lesbophobia kek.
No.8922
>>8900>>8899It annoys me when twitter teenagers group yuri and yaoi together or claim yuri is better than yaoi in some way (because it's much less popular in fandom among women).
We aren't reading a general lgbt genre. Yaoi is by and for women, it's our own thing. Fujoshi have no obligation to make or read or respect yuri or have any sort of yuri alliance kek.
No.8925
Honestly I don't hate yuri fans until they start complaining about fanworks not festuring F/F. Why aren't YOU writing it? The reason why BL fanworks are so big is because we make our own stuff, do the same! I can see why they're grouped, neither of us are getting a canon ship, but yaoi fans have always been more proactive.
No.8927
>>8922People don't seem to understand that yuri and yaoi aren't sister genres.
No.8928
>>8926angsty magical boy yaoi would slap so hard, I wonder if there's anything close to madoka with boys besides Boueibu and Fairy Ranmaru and Dancing Star Precure
No.8930
Slightly unrelated, but has anybody noticed a weird trend in r63 drawings of male characters where they will literally just give the characters tits and then call it a day? It’s the opposite of the problem that used to exist where gender swaps had the male characters become skinny 10/10 women no matter what they looked like before. I’ve had several times where I was looking at ship art of two male characters only to look at the description and see that it’s supposed to be the “yuri” version.
No.8931
>>8930because everyone wants to be the most woke they can so drawing a man and slapping some tits on is veeeeeery progressive because "women don't owe you femininity" and also plays into the "this male character is so gender! squee! that he can be a girl and look exactly the same! i'm a theyfab by the way :)"
No.8936
>>8927This. It drives me insane that people seem to think yuri is just genderbent yaoi and yaoi is just genderbent yuri. They have literally nothing else in common besides portraying same sex relationships. They have a distinctively different community and stories, the tropes and style of artwork are completely different, the genres' origin stories and how they came to be are completely different. You can't just tell a fujo that she needs to love yuri too or else she's being a lesbophobe hypocrite because it doesn't work that way, it would be like telling a soccer fan to love baseball too because they're both ball games.
No.8940
>>8931Fujos need to go back to hating on female characters instead of this pointless virtue signaling. If they actually liked yuri they would just ship two women instead of turning two men into women. They don't care about female characters but still feel the need to show how much they care about women and the only way they can do that is by drawing their favorite male characters with huge tits.
>>8936They say that fujos who don't want to see yuri are suffering from internal misogyny and need to "re-examine their preferences" and force themselves to like yuri kek
No.8948
>I'd rather the uke be turned into a woman (女体化) than to see reversal, and turning them into a woman makes it so riba isn't possible
the shit I see nips say, no wonder they're still whipped into basically seeing everything subconsiously as man/woman and never actually liking the BL aspect of BL
No.8949
>>8948>Genderbends your uke into a woman and makes her fuck seme-kun with a strapon or futa dickNothing personnel, kid
No.8955
>>8948This is the one thing that I just can’t understand about Japanese fans and don’t think I ever will. They can’t decouple BL from heterosexual sex stereotypes in their heads at all. I wish they actually would just turn the uke into a woman and then fuck off from the BL tags.
No.8956
>>8955>>8948Every time I see this kind of shit I'm more and more amazed at how cucked into het brainrot Japanese women are. One of my OTPs has the bottom genderbent all the fucking time by Japanese artists specifically and he's always given huge tits and childbearing hips with overtly sexy clothing, the full sissyfication routine. It's like they have a compulsive need to heterofy everything and it always stinks of some degree of homophobia to me.
>>8949KEK
No.8957
>>8928I'm not really a fan of mahou shoujo outside of Madoka and Tutu but tokyo mew mew had that male spinoff
Obviously they're all lighthearted and nothing on the tragical girl level.
No.8958
>>8930Pretty much everything on pixiv is like this kek, though usually only one of them is genderswapped.
>>8948Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.
No.8960
>>8948I like it when the rule 63 designs are creative instead of just boobs. I've also seen it done where the artist will do m/m -> m/f -> f/m -> f/f
No.8961
>>8928>angsty magical boy yaoiThe official term for that in Japan is Kamen Rider
No.8968
>>8958>Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.For me personally I like to keep that stuff separate. There's some hetships I enjoy like Cykesquill from Ace attorney but in that same fandom if someone made Wrightworth art where one of them is turned into a woman I'd find it repulsive cause that's not what I signed up for with that pairing.
No.9010
I´M STILL CRYING BECAUSE MAPPA CANCELED YURI ON ICE ICEADO
No.9011
>>9010I've never moved on either, you're not suffering alone. The only thing I'l looking forward to will be the 10th anniversary of the anime, everyone begging mappa to release something on twitter and Junichi Suwabe posting about how he's disappointed there's still no movie.
No.9012
>>8958> I like hetslop and boobs Me too, tbh even het ships are hated by yumes if they don't personally identify with the girl being shipped.
Recent example is some bunny girl figures that came out for girl Ranma and Shampoo from Ranma.
Akane yumes went into a rant complaining about how it's sexualizing kids, even thou if it was done for Akane, god knows they would have been praising the hell of it even if the figure looked cheap.
I feel like yumes are threatened of shipping in general, they don't want to read about interesting dynamics or potentials, they just wanna be spoon-feed with romance, it's lazy which is why they hate creativity and they hate that other ships or characters that shine more than theirs.
No.9022
>>9010Idk why they canceled anyways. It would have made $$$ for sure. Japanese fujos were obsessed with the the Nintama Rantaro movie and the Gegege movie. Yuri on Ice is explicit
>>9012These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?
No.9023
>>9022>These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?It’s because canon shippers (antis) are so batshit insane despite their milquetoast taste, they love harassing shippers and making anyone that doesn’t ship a canon ship feel guilty. So now people that would’ve been regular shippers that didn’t care about canon in the past, want their ship to become canon and get to stick it to any antis because now the ship is canon and therefore the antis are now endorsing the ship by consuming the media. I get the idea, but really I want people to stop being retarded.
No.9027
>>9022Even if Yuri on Ice made insane profits most of it would have went to producers and other companies, not to Mappa, allegedly. They underestimated the anime when negotiating. Mappa is insane when it comes to milking a franchise too so I'm sure they wouldn't have made much from that and that's why they don't even bother anymore. Have you seen how they're milking the fujobait arc of JJK before the next season starts? That thing lasts only 5 episodes and some characters have more official merchs now than spoken lines in that season.
No.9030
>>9027>the fujobait arc of JJKKEK and i hope they keep milking it more, satosugu is my life and suguru is so hot (though i prefer satoru)
it makes sense that mappa ditched yoi then. though, for a studio that is literally built out of fujobucks they could have shown the fans more decency
No.9033
>>9030Money matters more than decency to Mappa it seems. As for JJK, I assume they're milking this arc so much because the next season will start in a few months and it would look strange to not promote it and keep releasing merchs of Gojo and Geto as teenagers. I wonder how everyone will treat the next arc/season despite Gojo being mostly absent in that one, so far I assume Mappa will focus on Yuta being a good sempai to Yuji, Megumi being a huge tsundere for Yuji until it backfires, Naoya ryona and Higuruma will most likely look slutty in the bathtub compared to the scene in the manga the same way Nanami looked slutty when punching the blond ponytail guy. However, my guess is that Mappa will milk the shit out of satosugu merchs again after the airport scene will be adapted. Cue another screening of the Hidden Inventory arc compilation movie in cinemas.
No.9050
>>9033if they were braver they’d capitalize on choso’s pseudo-brocon tendencies (even though he and yuji split up fairly early-on in the next arc iirc). i can def see them playing up naoya as toji 2.0 in marketing though, despite the fact that i think he appeals to a totally different audience.
No.9147
>>9146tifs are always such a psychological mess, its fascinating
No.9148
>>9146I actually watched this video and this is the gist of it:
>Salty clickbaiter claims to make a "scientific study" i.e. cherrypicked stat wrangling about the ratio of male and female characters submitted to Art Fight, keeps coming up with metrics pulled out of her ass to test until she finds the ones that suit her personal bias and includes a 10-minute derailment about the racial disparity of submitted characters just for pad the video even though it has nothing to do with the original topic and ends it with an emotionally loaded 10-minute rambling rant at the viewer, in total only 10 minutes of the video actually exhibits her topical findingsShe keeps getting proven wrong by her own metrics (Such as the distribution of the characters' gender, the amount of depth put into their bios, the amount of drawings submitted of them) because surprise, Art Fight slants toward female user majority, so she massages the results further until she can present them as evidence supporting her hypothesis. I get that being an artist focusing on female characters she probably has some kind of a chip on her shoulder about this topic and wants to vent but trying to frame it as a legitimate study when you can't handle the facts is laughable. People will watch this and hear all the big words and angry "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN??? WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN???" lines thrown at their faces and immediately posture themselves. The misogyny in the art scene is a real thing and needs to be addressed, but it has way more to do with mainstream media cutting female characters short and making them stick to misogynistic tropes, male art professors taking advantage of female students, male artists stealing female artists' concepts and taking all the credit, male artists being allowed more leeway and room to fuck up than female artists etc., not a bunch of teenagers submitting their yaoi OCs to Art Fight. But of course, addressing industrial issues is scary and might damage your own career, so it's better to just police other women.
No.9151
>>9146>accusing all visibly male OCs of being menum seems kind of transphobic to me sweatie…
No.9153
How does the Tumblr algorithm work? It keeps recommending me 3DPD heterosexual content despite the fact that I don't click or follow any blogs with it. I keep adding tags to my block list but it still shows up.
No.9154
>>9153Are you on a browser with ublock or browsing from the app? The 3DPD might be sponsored posts.
No.9155
>>8961Whats the most fujobaity Kamen Rider? Kuuga had potential but I haven't finished it
No.9157
>>9146>>9148It's silly to me, because I've done art in male dominated spaces, and on there you get a frequent excuse in art trades that they can't draw your character (unless you genderbend them) because "men are hard, I can't draw men, I'm not interested in men so it's hard to practice men." Everything is female characters all day every day, and males break them. The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. And yet we beat ourselves up about it all the time.
In my opinion, the most fun I've had with female characters was when they occurred organically in my stories, and the worst I've understood a female OC was when I purposefully tried to make them according to the sensitivity of arguments like this. Which, thinking about it, the last time I did that was probably ten years ago, this rhetoric has been round and round for so long.
>>9153Could someone you follow be liking it but not reblogging? I had the same issue with Cats the musical and was baffled until I got one that said "(Username) liked this" over it and realized they'd been liking Cats shipping but not reblogging it this whole time.
No.9158
>>9157>The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. Precisely. Male artists (who are often much more prolific and have more industry credentials than women due to the boys' club effect) hyperfocus on their underdeveloped female characters created as their personal manic pixie dream girl muses and do nothing but goon over them day in day out, yet everyone treats it as a force majeure that can't and shouldn't be challenged. Meanwhile, female artists creating content for their wish fulfillment male OCs are constantly put under the microscope and pointed out as morally corrupt wenches who hate women. And when they do create female characters, it still isn't enough because not even the people ranting and raving about the issue care about anything else than their personal feeling of superiority. Just look at all the "sapphics" who unironically think Honkai Impact the 3rd is a feminist game because it only has female characters despite all of them looking like generic oversexualized anime waifus and confirmed for being genderbent male staff self inserts.
No.9160
>>9154No, the ads tend to be like this.
Is it because I browse in incognito mode? Or maybe because the kink tags I follow skew heterosexual?
No.9161
>>9155It's been a while since I watch so the details could be rather off, but in general it's
>Kamen rider WHas the buddy cop dynamics, hardboiled detective (not really) x stoic boy genius doing the brainwork. It has an anime spinoff (fuuto PI) if you want 2D but I'm not sure if the anime was any good
>Kamen Rider OOONice chill guy x bratty monster
If you like a bickering couple type this will scratch that itch. It's my personal fave KR but also I'm a huge sucker for Yasuko Kobayashi's writing. The secondary riders also have very baity scenes.
>Kamen Rider BuildNarcissistic genius x happy-go-lucky single brain cell yankee
The yankee guy is also the same actor playing the actor in the Cherry Magic manga lol
I haven't really watch the more recent riders apart from Gavv so there might be others
No.9162
>>9161>playing the bottom in the Cherry Magic dramaBrainfart moment
No.9163
>>9160It's probably one or both of those. To my understanding you have less of a footprint on incognito tabs so it's throwing you the lowest common denominator content. If you are on kink tags that skew het it has simply mistaken you as a hetfag, especially if they have overlap with romantasy fandoms.
No.9164
>>9146Can't these people enjoy stories with characters that they don't self insert as? This is probably the reason why they break down so easily when people don't like their content, it feels personal to them because obviously they are projecting into the characters.