No.8865[Last 50 Posts]
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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.8866
>>8715>>8716My personal issues with Jinx have more to do with the quality of the writing than any qualms about "abuse". I like the characters, but it feels like the author has no idea what to do with them. Like she wrote herself into a corner and now she doesn't know how to get out because Jaekyung abused Dan to the point that Dan lost all interest in him and now it's too late for him to redeem himself and the story is now more about Dan's family trauma while Jaekyung is trying to shoehorn himself back into his life just for sex. It's stupid, if I wanted to watch a dumb roidpig pine for someone he treated badly I'd just watch normie reality TV. But it feels like most people read Jinx for the sex scenes and because they think Dan is cute or Jaekyung is hot but don't really give a shit about them as a couple.
No.8872
>>8867>i am confused when people make fun of fujos for only shipping hot boys together when literally everyone is like thisIt's just misogyny and making fun of women for liking pretty boys because popular with women = bad / dumb. Most discourse makes me think of Lindsay Ellis's Dear Stephanie Meyer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O06tMbIKh0 No.8873
>>8867>>8872Inverse happens too even here. Can't like hot fuys because then you're shallow can't like unconventional men because then you've fallen for "ugly man psyop." It's all so frustrating.
No.8874
>>8867>old woman yuri and the "women" are barely 20I have this same gripe with 'old man yaoi' and one of the "old men" is barely 30 but that aside, the "fujos" who exclusively only do transbend/genderbend into yuri or trans ships I feel like they have that internalized shame of being a fujo, that being a fujo is stupid and cringe and fetishizing men while also having the tumblr activism mentality of "stop centering your life around men (and start liking women)"
No.8875
>>8873It goes beyond frustration being told whatever I do I'm wrong. I'm shallow for liking conventionally attractive men and fake or disgusting for liking ugly men. I'm a pervert for liking BL and a lesbian in denial for anything f/f. I'm lying about liking BL if I have a girlfriend and if I ever sleep with a man I'm simply a slut.
When you accept that the people throwing labels at you do not want you to enjoy anything it becomes easier to ignore them.
No.8876
>>8872I don't understand that when called out, there's always push back when it's so blatantly the truth.
Kids these days are aaaaall about canceling people they dislike but they turn away the moment it could actually help a person.
Not to say I rely on kids, I just think years of being a fan of shows with massive female audiences who get hate would start some sort of awareness that maybe people really do hate it because of the fans.
Kingdom Hearts was never kept alive by straight shippers that's for sure even though people act like it suddenly always has. All of this Sora x Kairi art that surged since years after KH3 wasn't keeping KH in circulation between 2005-2019. Watching Mouthwashing getting bashed until the devs themselves told people to shut up was probably the most satisfying thing to happen as a response to fandom.
No.8878
>>8866That criticism is valid, especially when the author had a similar issue with BJ Alex (to a lesser degree since Jaekyung is much trashier). They've never been good at writing a strong couple … even the side ship for the actor has next to no chemistry or charisma outside of the sex scenes.
To keep on topic to venting, I wish more authors were able to balance having interesting characters with their relationship. Every genre has its slop, but sometimes it feels like you have to dig especially hard in BL works to find the gems.
No.8880
>>8879I've seen popular "pinky toe into bear territory" art of some of the anime twunks I like but the second it's that stretchmarks/rolls uwu shit I'm out. I saw a pic for a zine with a couple I could only recognize one of and then had to dig into the artist's socials to see what character the other one was because it was so amorphous there was nothing remaining of the character to clue me in
(It's Sylvain). Artists who go so off model they are drawing a completely different person baffle me. Just make them OCs and call it a day.
No.8881
>>8879>Unspeakable monstrous creatures with inhuman genitaliaThis sounds more appealing to me than fat hairy men and I'm sure most of Tumblr would agree (even if they don't admit it)
Hell I'd probably be down for a fat hairy ship if a single person wrote it in a way that wasn't either 1. bland body positivity moral high-horsing or 2. just fetish porn
No.8882
>>8879Dear Tumblr TIFs, being fat is unattractive and you aren't somehow more sophisticated for claiming to be attracted to ugly / fat / hairy / "monstrous" men instead of cute twinks. Having a superiority complex over liking uggos makes you the retarded one.
No.8883
>>8882idk chubby boys can be cute, for instance I like the MC of Accel World. A lot of that stereotypical art they draw is just intentionally ugly. I'm kind of under the impression that literally any trait or defect can be made cute and it's just the execution that determines if it's good.
No.8885
>>8879As a debu fan this user is stupid. They're excluding chubby/skinnyfat manlets, as well as body type difference pairs. If you really like fat then contrast in types is great fetish material. Submissive chubby-muscular characters are adorable too but they've decided that "sub" comes with a strict appearance code to justify it not being "masculine".
>>8882I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat characters, they just enjoy having something they can draw that they don't fuck up. If it comes out ugly then it's still succeeding. Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between joints. Many of them are winging it with rounded shapes and repetitive body shapes scaled up or down. Saw one last month who had two characters who were the exact same shape (and therefore fat distribution), but because they wanted one to be larger than the other they were, literally, larger and the smaller character had a teeny skull in comparison.
No.8886
>>8885this explains ginjikas after 2018.
I hate human AUs and everyone's a fat nosed, fat bodied, trooned out self-insert.
A lot of non-human series I like often have humanoid AUs that their official creators make and they're always attractive. But the fans- that's to say, people who use being ugly as east mode, ignore them. Even this design, only asian artists are on model. It's like tumblr 'artists' abhor the idea that they should consider making a girl prettier than them
Bumblebee has several official human modes and all of them are fit and cute. And the one brown skinned, male one they ignore because he's very skinny. Kind of funny how Bumblebee has two female human forms though.
No.8890
>>8885>Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between jointsI'd argue that fat people are harder to draw well because not only do you need to understand anatomy you have to account for fat distribution and how gravity/positioning affects it. You can see this lack of understanding not only in fat art but also the kind of hentai where boobs don't hang and squish haha.
>>8886It's before 2018 but Homestuck was pretty terrible about this too. It was the first time I encountered extreme transformations instead of just little tweaks like an aqualine nose or freckles or something.
No.8892
>>8883chubby characters can be cute but they try to virtue signal over characters drawn like ugly bastards like you said kek
No.8893
>>8892Yeah exactly, I agree with the nonna who said they probably don't even like them. Plenty of good debu artists and characters, these people just want a pat on the back for being different.
No.8894
>>8885>I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat charactersYou can usually tell when they do, if they aren't already making blatant fat fetish content. It's like vorefags and detailed mouths or footfags and detailed feet. I think something like rcdart fat Tony Stark is an example of ugly for the sake of ugly while stuff like
>>8890 Homestuck fandom shit usually felt to me like people genuinely being attracted to their ugly art.
No.8900
>>8899>never turn yuri into yaoithis shit pisses me off. i have to see hundreds of genderbends of my beautiful yaoi boys turned into girls that is not even tagged half the time but if you do the reverse you will be called a misogynist cock sucking male centered pick me. yuritards get SO mad when fujos draw two boys in the utena sword pull pose they call it actual lesbophobia kek.
No.8922
>>8900>>8899It annoys me when twitter teenagers group yuri and yaoi together or claim yuri is better than yaoi in some way (because it's much less popular in fandom among women).
We aren't reading a general lgbt genre. Yaoi is by and for women, it's our own thing. Fujoshi have no obligation to make or read or respect yuri or have any sort of yuri alliance kek.
No.8925
Honestly I don't hate yuri fans until they start complaining about fanworks not festuring F/F. Why aren't YOU writing it? The reason why BL fanworks are so big is because we make our own stuff, do the same! I can see why they're grouped, neither of us are getting a canon ship, but yaoi fans have always been more proactive.
No.8927
>>8922People don't seem to understand that yuri and yaoi aren't sister genres.
No.8928
>>8926angsty magical boy yaoi would slap so hard, I wonder if there's anything close to madoka with boys besides Boueibu and Fairy Ranmaru and Dancing Star Precure
No.8930
Slightly unrelated, but has anybody noticed a weird trend in r63 drawings of male characters where they will literally just give the characters tits and then call it a day? It’s the opposite of the problem that used to exist where gender swaps had the male characters become skinny 10/10 women no matter what they looked like before. I’ve had several times where I was looking at ship art of two male characters only to look at the description and see that it’s supposed to be the “yuri” version.
No.8931
>>8930because everyone wants to be the most woke they can so drawing a man and slapping some tits on is veeeeeery progressive because "women don't owe you femininity" and also plays into the "this male character is so gender! squee! that he can be a girl and look exactly the same! i'm a theyfab by the way :)"
No.8936
>>8927This. It drives me insane that people seem to think yuri is just genderbent yaoi and yaoi is just genderbent yuri. They have literally nothing else in common besides portraying same sex relationships. They have a distinctively different community and stories, the tropes and style of artwork are completely different, the genres' origin stories and how they came to be are completely different. You can't just tell a fujo that she needs to love yuri too or else she's being a lesbophobe hypocrite because it doesn't work that way, it would be like telling a soccer fan to love baseball too because they're both ball games.
No.8940
>>8931Fujos need to go back to hating on female characters instead of this pointless virtue signaling. If they actually liked yuri they would just ship two women instead of turning two men into women. They don't care about female characters but still feel the need to show how much they care about women and the only way they can do that is by drawing their favorite male characters with huge tits.
>>8936They say that fujos who don't want to see yuri are suffering from internal misogyny and need to "re-examine their preferences" and force themselves to like yuri kek
No.8948
>I'd rather the uke be turned into a woman (女体化) than to see reversal, and turning them into a woman makes it so riba isn't possible
the shit I see nips say, no wonder they're still whipped into basically seeing everything subconsiously as man/woman and never actually liking the BL aspect of BL
No.8949
>>8948>Genderbends your uke into a woman and makes her fuck seme-kun with a strapon or futa dickNothing personnel, kid
No.8955
>>8948This is the one thing that I just can’t understand about Japanese fans and don’t think I ever will. They can’t decouple BL from heterosexual sex stereotypes in their heads at all. I wish they actually would just turn the uke into a woman and then fuck off from the BL tags.
No.8956
>>8955>>8948Every time I see this kind of shit I'm more and more amazed at how cucked into het brainrot Japanese women are. One of my OTPs has the bottom genderbent all the fucking time by Japanese artists specifically and he's always given huge tits and childbearing hips with overtly sexy clothing, the full sissyfication routine. It's like they have a compulsive need to heterofy everything and it always stinks of some degree of homophobia to me.
>>8949KEK
No.8957
>>8928I'm not really a fan of mahou shoujo outside of Madoka and Tutu but tokyo mew mew had that male spinoff
Obviously they're all lighthearted and nothing on the tragical girl level.
No.8958
>>8930Pretty much everything on pixiv is like this kek, though usually only one of them is genderswapped.
>>8948Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.
No.8960
>>8948I like it when the rule 63 designs are creative instead of just boobs. I've also seen it done where the artist will do m/m -> m/f -> f/m -> f/f
No.8961
>>8928>angsty magical boy yaoiThe official term for that in Japan is Kamen Rider
No.8968
>>8958>Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.For me personally I like to keep that stuff separate. There's some hetships I enjoy like Cykesquill from Ace attorney but in that same fandom if someone made Wrightworth art where one of them is turned into a woman I'd find it repulsive cause that's not what I signed up for with that pairing.
No.9010
I´M STILL CRYING BECAUSE MAPPA CANCELED YURI ON ICE ICEADO
No.9011
>>9010I've never moved on either, you're not suffering alone. The only thing I'l looking forward to will be the 10th anniversary of the anime, everyone begging mappa to release something on twitter and Junichi Suwabe posting about how he's disappointed there's still no movie.
No.9012
>>8958> I like hetslop and boobs Me too, tbh even het ships are hated by yumes if they don't personally identify with the girl being shipped.
Recent example is some bunny girl figures that came out for girl Ranma and Shampoo from Ranma.
Akane yumes went into a rant complaining about how it's sexualizing kids, even thou if it was done for Akane, god knows they would have been praising the hell of it even if the figure looked cheap.
I feel like yumes are threatened of shipping in general, they don't want to read about interesting dynamics or potentials, they just wanna be spoon-feed with romance, it's lazy which is why they hate creativity and they hate that other ships or characters that shine more than theirs.
No.9022
>>9010Idk why they canceled anyways. It would have made $$$ for sure. Japanese fujos were obsessed with the the Nintama Rantaro movie and the Gegege movie. Yuri on Ice is explicit
>>9012These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?
No.9023
>>9022>These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?It’s because canon shippers (antis) are so batshit insane despite their milquetoast taste, they love harassing shippers and making anyone that doesn’t ship a canon ship feel guilty. So now people that would’ve been regular shippers that didn’t care about canon in the past, want their ship to become canon and get to stick it to any antis because now the ship is canon and therefore the antis are now endorsing the ship by consuming the media. I get the idea, but really I want people to stop being retarded.
No.9027
>>9022Even if Yuri on Ice made insane profits most of it would have went to producers and other companies, not to Mappa, allegedly. They underestimated the anime when negotiating. Mappa is insane when it comes to milking a franchise too so I'm sure they wouldn't have made much from that and that's why they don't even bother anymore. Have you seen how they're milking the fujobait arc of JJK before the next season starts? That thing lasts only 5 episodes and some characters have more official merchs now than spoken lines in that season.
No.9030
>>9027>the fujobait arc of JJKKEK and i hope they keep milking it more, satosugu is my life and suguru is so hot (though i prefer satoru)
it makes sense that mappa ditched yoi then. though, for a studio that is literally built out of fujobucks they could have shown the fans more decency
No.9033
>>9030Money matters more than decency to Mappa it seems. As for JJK, I assume they're milking this arc so much because the next season will start in a few months and it would look strange to not promote it and keep releasing merchs of Gojo and Geto as teenagers. I wonder how everyone will treat the next arc/season despite Gojo being mostly absent in that one, so far I assume Mappa will focus on Yuta being a good sempai to Yuji, Megumi being a huge tsundere for Yuji until it backfires, Naoya ryona and Higuruma will most likely look slutty in the bathtub compared to the scene in the manga the same way Nanami looked slutty when punching the blond ponytail guy. However, my guess is that Mappa will milk the shit out of satosugu merchs again after the airport scene will be adapted. Cue another screening of the Hidden Inventory arc compilation movie in cinemas.
No.9050
>>9033if they were braver they’d capitalize on choso’s pseudo-brocon tendencies (even though he and yuji split up fairly early-on in the next arc iirc). i can def see them playing up naoya as toji 2.0 in marketing though, despite the fact that i think he appeals to a totally different audience.
No.9147
>>9146tifs are always such a psychological mess, its fascinating
No.9148
>>9146I actually watched this video and this is the gist of it:
>Salty clickbaiter claims to make a "scientific study" i.e. cherrypicked stat wrangling about the ratio of male and female characters submitted to Art Fight, keeps coming up with metrics pulled out of her ass to test until she finds the ones that suit her personal bias and includes a 10-minute derailment about the racial disparity of submitted characters just for pad the video even though it has nothing to do with the original topic and ends it with an emotionally loaded 10-minute rambling rant at the viewer, in total only 10 minutes of the video actually exhibits her topical findingsShe keeps getting proven wrong by her own metrics (Such as the distribution of the characters' gender, the amount of depth put into their bios, the amount of drawings submitted of them) because surprise, Art Fight slants toward female user majority, so she massages the results further until she can present them as evidence supporting her hypothesis. I get that being an artist focusing on female characters she probably has some kind of a chip on her shoulder about this topic and wants to vent but trying to frame it as a legitimate study when you can't handle the facts is laughable. People will watch this and hear all the big words and angry "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN??? WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN???" lines thrown at their faces and immediately posture themselves. The misogyny in the art scene is a real thing and needs to be addressed, but it has way more to do with mainstream media cutting female characters short and making them stick to misogynistic tropes, male art professors taking advantage of female students, male artists stealing female artists' concepts and taking all the credit, male artists being allowed more leeway and room to fuck up than female artists etc., not a bunch of teenagers submitting their yaoi OCs to Art Fight. But of course, addressing industrial issues is scary and might damage your own career, so it's better to just police other women.
No.9151
>>9146>accusing all visibly male OCs of being menum seems kind of transphobic to me sweatie…
No.9153
How does the Tumblr algorithm work? It keeps recommending me 3DPD heterosexual content despite the fact that I don't click or follow any blogs with it. I keep adding tags to my block list but it still shows up.
No.9154
>>9153Are you on a browser with ublock or browsing from the app? The 3DPD might be sponsored posts.
No.9155
>>8961Whats the most fujobaity Kamen Rider? Kuuga had potential but I haven't finished it
No.9157
>>9146>>9148It's silly to me, because I've done art in male dominated spaces, and on there you get a frequent excuse in art trades that they can't draw your character (unless you genderbend them) because "men are hard, I can't draw men, I'm not interested in men so it's hard to practice men." Everything is female characters all day every day, and males break them. The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. And yet we beat ourselves up about it all the time.
In my opinion, the most fun I've had with female characters was when they occurred organically in my stories, and the worst I've understood a female OC was when I purposefully tried to make them according to the sensitivity of arguments like this. Which, thinking about it, the last time I did that was probably ten years ago, this rhetoric has been round and round for so long.
>>9153Could someone you follow be liking it but not reblogging? I had the same issue with Cats the musical and was baffled until I got one that said "(Username) liked this" over it and realized they'd been liking Cats shipping but not reblogging it this whole time.
No.9158
>>9157>The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. Precisely. Male artists (who are often much more prolific and have more industry credentials than women due to the boys' club effect) hyperfocus on their underdeveloped female characters created as their personal manic pixie dream girl muses and do nothing but goon over them day in day out, yet everyone treats it as a force majeure that can't and shouldn't be challenged. Meanwhile, female artists creating content for their wish fulfillment male OCs are constantly put under the microscope and pointed out as morally corrupt wenches who hate women. And when they do create female characters, it still isn't enough because not even the people ranting and raving about the issue care about anything else than their personal feeling of superiority. Just look at all the "sapphics" who unironically think Honkai Impact the 3rd is a feminist game because it only has female characters despite all of them looking like generic oversexualized anime waifus and confirmed for being genderbent male staff self inserts.
No.9160
>>9154No, the ads tend to be like this.
Is it because I browse in incognito mode? Or maybe because the kink tags I follow skew heterosexual?
No.9161
>>9155It's been a while since I watch so the details could be rather off, but in general it's
>Kamen rider WHas the buddy cop dynamics, hardboiled detective (not really) x stoic boy genius doing the brainwork. It has an anime spinoff (fuuto PI) if you want 2D but I'm not sure if the anime was any good
>Kamen Rider OOONice chill guy x bratty monster
If you like a bickering couple type this will scratch that itch. It's my personal fave KR but also I'm a huge sucker for Yasuko Kobayashi's writing. The secondary riders also have very baity scenes.
>Kamen Rider BuildNarcissistic genius x happy-go-lucky single brain cell yankee
The yankee guy is also the same actor playing the actor in the Cherry Magic manga lol
I haven't really watch the more recent riders apart from Gavv so there might be others
No.9162
>>9161>playing the bottom in the Cherry Magic dramaBrainfart moment
No.9163
>>9160It's probably one or both of those. To my understanding you have less of a footprint on incognito tabs so it's throwing you the lowest common denominator content. If you are on kink tags that skew het it has simply mistaken you as a hetfag, especially if they have overlap with romantasy fandoms.
No.9164
>>9146Can't these people enjoy stories with characters that they don't self insert as? This is probably the reason why they break down so easily when people don't like their content, it feels personal to them because obviously they are projecting into the characters.
No.9263
When I was 12, walking through Chinatown, I found a figure of Aoba Seragaki… I really wanted it I LOVED IT but my grandma wouldn´t let me buy it because Aoba was SHIRTLESS…i never got that figure again AND I´M STILL CRYING ABOUT IT
No.9264
Is it normal to gain new fetishes/kink after that time of the month? I could've swore men in straight-up bikinis (tops and all) wouldn't work but it does now for some reason.
No.9328
>>9327I do know a lot of
lc yumes and hetshippers accuse fujos of trooning out but fail to realize that a lot of the examples they tend to post are also yumes/hetshippers and not only fujos. Like they're doing friendly fire because they refuse to open their eyes and realize that adding a vagina does not make it fujo even if they are being delusional about pronouns.
No.9329
>>9327I more just get annoyed when they try and convert me into a yume for shipping N and Touya from pokemon kek (among other age gap ships in that series)
>JUST SELF INSERT SO N ISN'T A PEDONo I do what I want fuck off.
No.9330
>>9328Exactly. A majority of 'fujo' TIFs wouldve never enjoyed yaoi in the first place unless they put an element of self inserting into it, except in a woke way so its not a boring straight ship like the other girls/yumes. Its infuriating on both sides and TIFs never know to pick whether yaoi is empowering (because it reminds me of
me me me) or fetishizing (because it makes
me feel bad!!!)
wish they'd all fuck off to real scroteshit like bara/geikomi where all the hairy uggos look closer to IRL tifs instead of harping on female fujos for being ebil fetishizers yet consuming their content and projecting their cuntboy shit on it
No.9331
>>9329But Touko and N has always been just as popular on the yume side, so why only talk shit about N/Touya? It feels insulting when people find a classic protagonist ship too problematic for age gap or whatever reasons so they create a selfinsert that has the same exact history and role as the protagonist character but just slap a Y/N on it. What's wrong with just aging up the protagonist if you care that much? You can see they acknowledge the canon chemistry but aren't willing to admit it.
Annoying as fuck that several pokemon het ships I dislike have been revealed as adult/minor thanks to the teraleak but the anti mob never came for them, they only care about the ships I DO like.
No.9334
>>9333To fujos, a male character who seems uninterested in women means it's easy to read him as gay. To hetshippers/yumes, it means you can use that 'your vagina is the only one special enough to change him' trope. Otome game love interests with a description like 'not interested in women/appears uninterested in women' is common and basically a signifier that he's Too Serious For Silly Ladies or his autism is too strong or whatever.
It's kind of different when the guy in question is also canonically very close to another guy or shows heavy gay vibes in another way, but hetshippers find a way.
No.9335
>>9328This is what gets me. The majority of "yaoi" fan art featuring a TIF coupled with a regular man is blatant self-insert art. That's not even getting into how hypocritical it is to consider TIF x male to be BL when you know damn well any art featuring a TIM with a female character would be accurately identified as not being GL to those same people.
No.9336
>>9334Yeah, like the classic Mary Sue trope that came along with romancing Spock because they were so speshul even an autism alien would love them.
I just find it irritating because they could just pick literally any other male character. Levi specifically was made to appeal to the fujo audience.
So when you think about it, yumes have no right to complain about anything since they also creep up on characters that show no interest in women, thereby trying to change canon just as much as the fujos they complain about lel
No.9337
>>9332I know that fujos can have their own brand of autism but the whole concept of selfshipping just seems like a way to make yourself annoyed all the time since it's based on something so fragile.
No.9338
>>9337It's just a repeat of kinning with the "NO DOUBLES" autism
No.9339
>>9337I just don't get why anyone shares it online. With ships, you can connect with other fans of the same ship. Who the fuck cares about Husbando x Not(You)? Selfshipping is so intensely personal. Even if you ship a tiny rarepair you can get other people on board with your work. At least the first person POV yume art with only the husbando in it makes sense even if it makes me uncomfortable to look at.
No.9343
>>9340Kaveh broke so many yumes, it's fucking hilarious how much his existence makes them seethe.
No.9345
>>9340Good example! Added this pairing to my interest list mwahahah
No.9347
>>9346>western cartoonWhich one is it?
No.9349
>>9347Arcane Transformers wombo combo with a dash of Mouthwashing for how talented so many artists are.
Pic related are all the couples in the comic run and labeled.
No.9350
>>9349Correction. I said Mouthwashing while my brain blinked after mentioning canon. I know JimCurly isn't actually canon. But the fandom still does the mentioned annoying shit
No.9356
>>8867They say they hate men but then they always defend male interests, defend the right for men to exist in fiction while being ugly but the only media they like is anime made for straight men to goon over because of some of those men are troon lesbians.
No.9357
>>9340I didn't realize KFC stood for Kaveh Fucking Culled.
>>9351I'm in a kid-friendly discord server for the free downloads and the mods who are always breathing down people's necks for posting the slightest blood or "toxic" ship were all excitedly telling everyone how they planned to play Mouthwashing and shit. I swear it was like Killing Stalking where the trend was mostly people claiming they were doing a thing for clout instead of actually consuming and engaging with the media.
No.9363
crazy how yaoi is in fact more feminist than yuri
No.9364
>>9351Mouthwashing honestly was the modern fandom speedrun record.
>Short indie game with dark themes and a low budget vibe>Some loudmouth video game streamer plays it>Everyone becomes obsessed with it in two days>Ship wars and accusations of problemacy>Tiktok dance cosplay videos>Edgelord adult artists make provocative art of the to "trigger the libz" >3 hour video essays about how the game is pro-rape>The game studio itself has to ask the fans to tone it down>Everyone forgets about the fandom in less than three months No.9503
>>9364I feel bad for any new IPs that attract the modern internet because of how insufferable normalfags are. Mainstream fandoms are now populated by retards and children, and grifters who want to profit out of said retards and children.
It's like every new fanbase is the Steven Universe fandom on steroids.
No.9504
>>9503Would it be stupid to say I prefer that to no fandom? I'm willing to wade through shit to get to the god-tier fan art and fanfics. There are so many series that I'm desperate for literally ANYTHING to exist and they've got 20 fanfics max.
No.9505
>>9504Nta but i agree with you. It's easier to filter through shit to curate your fandom experience than to have zero fan content and discussion. When i enjoy a creator i really hope for them to receive some kind of recognition for sharing their passion with the world instead of being ignored and getting axed by their publisher or platform
No.9532
Damn it, I want to post without having to deal with the CP spam!
Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. I feel like a lot of the peak tumblr was all a "you just had to be there" moment that can't be replicated anymore but I'm sure there's still some big scene for RPF fiction or movie ships.
Nowadays though, I feel like the people who like "realistic-looking" ships/characters are the ones often talking and complaining about real queerness and fandom activism nowadays. After all, movie actors still emulate real people, which is a different feeling from looking at anime and games which is inherently unrealistic.
Sometimes it feels like the Tumblr girls have/had the most fun though, although most fic always reads like OCs when it comes from media like that
No.9542
>>9532>Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. Funnily enough I was a tumblr girl without being into Superwholock. I started out in the tumblr Homestuck fandom because of all the roleplaying Ask blogs and then branched out into the anime side of tumblr. Most of my memories are from the Free! Iwatobi swim club fandom cause it was super cozy and a Free! fan introduced me to BL games on her blog by posting screencaps of Dramatical murder reconnect and this was huge for me. This is also bringing back memories of a prominent RinHaru(Or was it HaruRin?) shipper who provided translations for the fandom. I don't remember her tumblr username but I do remember that at some point she wrote an original BL novel called Fellfire summer. Meanwhile another prominent Free! fandom member from that time who also provided translations, aitaikimochi, has moved on to other fandoms and has her own webshop for imports now. Just realised this isn't within the scope of the thread anymore but I was feeling nostalgic.
No.9544
>>9532Same here, I've always found slash and slashers interesting even though I'm a weeb at heart. I never got close enough to those spaces to see the bad so I do feel somewhat nostalgic when I think back to 2014 Tumblr. On the other hand, a lot of those same people turned out to be gendies like you said so maybe there was a lot of current day fandom rot already brewing there lol.
On a similar note, I wish I could have experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took over
I'm a zoomer so unfortunately I became active in fandom spaces when enshittification already started happening. I'm sure it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but knowing that there used to be a time where people weren't obsessed with thinking fandom is activism makes me a bit sad when I think about it.
No.9545
>>9532Like
>>9542 I was around for Homestuck but there was a decent portion of weeaboo shippers/fujos hanging around early 10s tumblr as well, it was how I got EN yaoi and general discussion for a lot of 3DS/PS3/Vita games. It was the spawning pool for a lot of "industry" people who also may or may not have also been on /a/ and /co/. I'm also getting really nostalgic thinking about it. The post-smartphone pre-gamergate internet was honestly pretty chill if you learned to not engage with landmines. I even liked the tumblr/4chan cross pollination (does anybody remember "Indexer" from /hsg/? That's where I learned to stop saving tumblr thumbnails!).
>>9544>experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took overHonestly I wouldn't go back if given the choice. I'm spoiled by modern QoL. Yeah it was fun and maybe even "SOVL" to trawl through JP fansites for the good shit, but I definitely don't have that kind of time anymore. I don't think anybody does, not even the kids who are the age I was when I was doing all that haha.
If it makes you feel any better I think the fandom=activism people are either growing up or leaving fandom spaces. I don't really see that kind of stuff anymore unless it's reposted here and it used to be that I could NOT escape it.
No.9584
>like character from newly released thing
>fandom starts to form
>people start to grossly mischaracterize character
>no longer like character
I only have to wait until the fandom dies I guess…..
No.9585
>>9553That sucks. Is she drawing general characters or pairings? I don't play gacha slop but there have been a couple cute m/m pairings and I'm enjoying the art so far.
No.9590
I wish japanese artists would upload their genderbent art separately and not under collections of that character, specially when they draw them as titty monsters. It's borderline gross.
No.9591
>>9589Oh fuck yeah those two are hot as fuck. I don't like tragic stuff but the fujobait between them is very nice.
Sorry, some nonna's loss are some other nonna's gains.
No.9607
Scrolling through summer sales and once again lamenting that I'm never into the Big series that get reduced merch and discs. Closest I got is Tourabu and it's always the musicals that are too extortionately expensive to follow.
No.9614
>>9589this is so heartbreaking i loved their roscest
No.9625
>>9327>>9339toxic yumes will shit on fujos or literally any shipper because anything besides them x husbando is a NOTP and then invent a whole toxic conspiracy around themselves. if you are a very strict self-shipper, you have to filter out all of fandom or other fans essentially
>>9329I know it's just yumes or antis with an excuse to shit on something but do people actually see two cartoons from a video game and think
>OMG N IS TWENTY AND HILBERT IS A MINOR No.9626
>>9623>I like my boys pretty but I like them male!Same, that's why I was drawn to anime and ancient cultures where the beauty of men and the relationships between them was celebrated.
I can't stand gender bent, cuntboy, pregnancy, and you know what I kinda don't like femboys or cross-dressers all that much either.
No.9627
>>9623I like magic babies and mpreg when it was an actual weird fetish instead of an ironic joke. I also just want to see male homosexuals instead of pussy.
Fuck roidpigs, "realistic representation", hairy fat balding uggos, ugly old men, and women on testosterone. I want pretty boys. Both boys should be pretty enough to be uke. Men would look more attractive if they were less sexually dimorphic and masculine but I need the dick and balls.
No.9628
>>9623>Never have I seen women so obsessed with pregnancy….It's weird. Even non-TIF fujos I know in real life love mpreg. I have no idea what the appeal is or how it exploded in popularity.
>it's the only version of mpreg I can tolerateSame!
No.9629
>>9623>between this and the cuntboy shit I am just so sick of female bodies and bodily functions in my BLI don't get it.
>mpreg>but "he" has a vagina>and breasts>somehow still considered yaoi by the artist/their followersMake it make sense.
No.9630
>>9629It's self-insertion brainrot. This one time I saw one of those 'male' character OCs who on top of everything else was also obese and it was very obvious that the creator of that OC was obese herself.
No.9631
I'm anti-natalist IRL, but I love mpreg stories in BL/yaoi lol. It's not so much about the feminization of male bodies for me but rather the whole melodrama (and comedy?) of ukes finding out that they're pregnant and deciding to hide it from the semes through ridiculous methods. Bonus points when the seme gets upset thinking the uke had a child with another woman, before finding out that the uke birthed the child AND that he's the father. I don't know why but the whole misunderstanding plot and drama just scratches my brain the right way.
There's this danmei author who writes ten variations of this exact trope and I eat her slop up every single time lol. But whenever the baby grows into a toddler I just start tuning out because I can't stand kids.
No.9632
>>9625I was going to jokingly jump up and say "I do! It's what makes it interesting!" But then I thought about it for two seconds, and weren't the protags of BW older than usual? Like fifteen or sixteen-year-olds? It's not nearly as shocking, given characters that age in fiction are often as clued in and capable as adults, just in different social situations. The emphasis of the age gap is on N being an adult who has little knowledge or experience of society; detached but fully developed in his ways. This is further expanded on by the manga giving the protags jobs and connections in the world, where N has never had the opportunity and reaches out to them as essentially his first point of contact. Unlike real kids his age there's not much minor about Hilbert, he's very responsible and sensible as a counterpart to N. The ship is hinged on him trying to be understanding and negotiating with someone paradoxically less "wise to the world" than him, but who in turn shows him a way of thinking that contradicts what he's experienced. BW doesn't work without the maturity to accept the message of both boys and balance truth and ideals without stomping on either.
>>9627As an mpreg enjoyer
what's the point of sexualizing a pregnant man if there isn't an erection under the curve of his belly? Come ON, guys. Stop thinking about gross childbirth logistics and just be actually horny when you're doing freak of nature stuff.>>9631Yeah has to be a magic monsterboy baby that does cute baby animal type antics instead of real toddler stuff.
No.9854
I like young smaller ukes (shota I've only just been able to admit) but I'm uncomfortable about it. the discourse, accusations, and proximity to people who are actually bad trigger me, it's neverending
No.9864
>>9854ive come to terms with liking shota a while ago, being grouped in with pedophiles is one thing, people who think like that are just retarded moralfags who dont think through what theyre actually saying
what i really dont understand tho are people who claim to be profic and whatever but draw the line at shota. what exactly makes them draw the line there and not at rape or other "problematic" topics? either be okay with everything or nothing but you cant draw your line somewhere and expect others to do so aswell
No.9865
>>9854This one overseas fandom I'm in is such a relief, mostly adult women that are just having fun so it was a shock to see so many go "Holy shit Shota??!! Cute! Genius!!! Siesta wave!!!", I'd almost forgotten that thats how things used to be.
No.9866
>>9864they still probably feel guilty or insecure about it, so it helps them to draw the line somewhere, ie "I may read rape fics but at least not shota" that's basically how I was (without directing hate at others) and I see it a lot.
that, or they've seen too many examples who are messed up and therefore feel suspicious of it. I know what site it is but it unsettles me how many self-proclaimed pedos are on shota threads on /cm/ for instance, adds to my discomfort being in any way associated
No.9867
>>9864there's maybe another dimension too about what it means liking those forms, but it's not good mentally for me to go into right now
No.9885
>>9865Hah, I'm jealous. I just keep my feelings about shota to myself because I don't want to become the subject of discourse unless I'm in a proship space like the shota channel on the citrus con discord. Though I don't have any sort of guilt cause I know that cartoons are nothing like real life. There's small boys living in my neighbourhood and when I look at them I just feel disgust cause they're obnoxious.
No.9909
>>8865I want to participate in fandom, but I don't want to deal with all the gendies and puritans that are everywhere. The last time I tried getting involved with a fandom I got followed by so many people with tranny flags and pronouns in bio that I gave up in the end. How do you guys do it? Do you make your stance on all of this crap clear even if it gets you wrapped up in discourse and a bunch of people calling you a terf in qrts?
No.9912
>>9909I quietly mute anyone like that. They would know if you blocked them, but muting is invisible.
No.9924
>My obscure fic of a rarepair that no one else has written and has only 2 bookmarks on pixiv now has 3
>check it out
>seems they really liked it based on the tag they left
>look at profile
>long-ass multi paragraph monologue stating they are a yume, their long list of preferences, that they are not a fujo, but sometimes they read fujo fic and imagine the uke is their yume OC
>OK
I'm glad you liked my fic, but do you have to tell that shit to everyone? TMI in the most literal sense. And one of the other people who faved it was a (male) yume too. While this ship is very rare, I know there are or were a couple of other shippers out there… I just wish one of them would find me. I wanna sperg about it…
No.9925
>>9854I love teenage shota but I don't really talk about it because of the reasons you mentioned. A lot of edgy "proships" who are into shota act super obnoxious about it, completely ignoring others' boundaries regarding an issue that can be unironically triggering to many, and like you said the proximity to genuine pedophiles is disgusting. I just think shotas are cute and it's kind of a reliving adolescence through them as a boy thing for me. And I really hate how people conflate specifically things like teenage shota with loli, like none of the loli girls are meant to be seen as 14-year olds, they clearly have the bodies of prepubescent girls well under 10.
No.9927
>>9925Only tangentially related but I had enough experience with anime kids being way older than their size made them look so I assumed Tokiyuki was like 12 and then when I found out he was 8 I had a mini-crisis… Now I just pretend I didn't see it lol
No.9930
>>9924God honestly that sounds awful. If I put the effort into making my niche rarepair be known and all it does is fuel yumes of what is probably the (more popular character) I'd just go crazy.
I hope you can find shippers of your ship eventually, anon.
No.9934
>>9930It was a video game PC/canon character type ship, so yeah, probably impossible to avoid yume crossover there. My stuff actually did better on Ao3 but I still have yet to encounter one of the mythical fellow shippers. One day…
No.9936
>>9924This reminds me of the one time when I saw a jp
fujo 's profile and she said she mostly liked the hetbend version of her ship, and then proceeded to straight up admit to self-inserting as the genderbent uke. I thought that was really blatant, but I kept reading and at the end she said
While I think the characters (in her ship) are in love with each other, I also see them as strictly straight. In the end, a lot of people in Japan still sadly have very heteronormative/homophobic views, and a lot of the yumes like calling themselves fujos for some reason.
No.9958
>>9936what the fuck is this mentality holy shit
I guess they like the character's interactions but they can't deal with the gay? boooooo
No.9968
I'm feeling so doomer about fandom now nonnas. Are we ever going to see the end of "fujos are misogynistic for not writing about female characters and not playing otome games" or are we doomed to have the same misconceptions every week as new fandom scholars keep making the same arguments? Are we screwed because that ao3 list maker who wants to start smearing fujos as racist and sexist will never get a job and stop causing this discourse?
No.9969
>>9968I've been feeling doomer about something else. I can just block annoying people but all this shit lately with payment processors and collective shout makes me think that at some point AO3 is going to become a target because it allows underaged and noncon fics among other content.
No.9971
>>9969Yeah same, I'm more worried about AO3 attacks. I can always tell randos to fuck off online.
No.9979
>>9968I hate that the "they're fetishizing gay people!" discourse has evolved into "fujos are misogynistic!" I'm seeing this a lot in BL fandoms too. Fujos can never win. They tell us to fuck off from shonen and other non-BL related IPs, and when we do and create our own material with BL, we're told to fuck off once again and call us misogynists because either women are not present at all, dare to be villainous, or aren't prominent enough in a BL. Their opinions don't matter and no matter how much they screech that fujos are blatantly misogynistic or have it internally, they will never look at the mirror and see their screeching at policing a woman's interest is also misogynistic. Funny how they do this only to female interests but never to males. Ever. We're totally breaking that glass ceiling ladies~ Keep at it!
And unfortunately unlike the fetish argument, I don't think we'll ever escape that misogyny ad hominem they're currently using. I think fujos have to treat it the same way they did with the fetish accusations. "Okay. Don't care." They can cry all they want, but if people just "embrace" it then they have no power over you. Inside you know you're not a misogynist, and really that's all what should matter. Go make your own material if you feel so strongly about it- Oh wait, they can't!
No.9980
>>9958It's totally ridiculous, isn't it? I thought that she either liked the dynamic but only if it's straight, or that she might be a yume that had to cope with the fact that her husbando mostly gets fujo content, so she shamelessly projects herself onto the genderbent version of his boyfriend (who she knows she can't actually compete with, kek).
The western side of fandom is bad as we all know it, but the jp side isn't all sunshines and rainbows either. I sadly often see fujos who have 100% fixed no switching preference for a ship (fair), but then come up with
AUs where the uke is a girl, and try to insist that the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matter. But then they lose it if you suggest having them switch, or having the seme become a girl, and that makes me wonder if they actually like
boys love.
No.9981
>>9980>the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matterI hate this trope so much. It feels so invalidating in a way I can't explain it.
I may have seen it in a BL somewhere, where a guy falls in love with another guy for the first time *gasps!*, but then it turns out it was his female soulmate who reincarnated in a male body!
In my mind it doesn't feel like a true m/m pairing. More of that, 'see its ok! Its not completely gay its just that they love each other sooo much, the male and female that is haha!' Not sure if its done so some people take an easier acceptance of m/m romance in some convoluted way, but it doesn't work for me.
No.9985
>>9981I hate this shit too, especially when its done to characters I HC as specifically gay and not bi. I saw an artist do a hetbend of a ship and made the guy who has never once shown interest in a woman drool over the genderbent version of his bf and I felt physically repulsed. For some reason all the jp fujos I've seen make all the characters bi and cannot seem to understand the concept of an actual homosexual :/
No.9990
>>9981I honestly don't care. I think bi characters are valid but it does put into question why they did it to begin with? like what's stopping one of their past lives being both women? Does that negate their sexuality when they're both men?
No.9992
>>9981>>9980>>9958>>9936I see this happen way too often. It's usually a combination of
>Said fujo also likes to consume male otaku porn content so they have the same coomer moid tastes like lolification (making the uke into a loli), turning the uke into a girl to give them big breasts for paizuri, humilliation rape (as a girl), other deranged typical doujin type fetishes that you find in male porn>They don't actually believe the characters to TRULY be gay, they may like BL but are somewhat homophobic so it'd be better if the ship was straight>Lowkey hidden dykes that genderbend the characters all the time (similar to example 1). I remember there was a genshin FUJO(?) jp fanartist that exclusively drew the characters as girls, it was always male characters.>Some fujos are so absurdly autistic about switching they'd rather see the uke be a girl than to ever see them as a top>Half yumejos that don't admit they self-insert into the uke (jp fujos aren't as upfront about character thirst like western fujos, but you can tell when an artist favors the seme far more than they do the uke) No.9994
>>9992Fujodykes or "Fujo" dykes are actually based. Genderbent Yuri ships usually attract a lot less annoying men (a lot of straight men are grossed out by genderbent versions of their favourite male characters, idek if that's homophobia sexism or whatever the fuck lmao). Also it doesn't annoy me because they're just making it Yuri and going the full way. Hetbends are what I truly never want to see, especially since it's always the uke getting hetbended.
>>9993I'm dumb but what imagery? Is this why everyone is so aggressively convinced Geto bottoms?
No.9995
>>9994Yeah same, I don't have an issue with fujos genderbending both characters even though I find it a bit weird but fairly inoffensive, but the hetbending is what gets me. It always has homophobic undertones and there are enough straight ships already, no need to heterofy the gay ones.
No.9998
>>9993I blocked or muted that artist, I was sick of her for this reason. The funniest thing is that while Geto is supposed to have a pretty face and has long hair and an intact hairline he's still a much taller than average man and very fit, he's physically stronger than everyone else aside from Maki and Toji if we're removing anything supernatural from the equation, he's just a hot man at the end of the day. The manga's art style doesn't even reflect his beauty very well either compared to how Gege and some characters describes him.
No.9999
>>9996tbh I think this is still Geto's domain expansion and not Kenjaku's, it's just that Kenjaku can use it by using Geto's body. And there's also how Gege came up with domain expansions after JJK0.
>its very funny to see people edit out the kenjaku scars in order to make it a 'female geto' win when he has been long dead in canonIt's still based on Geto's face but yeah. What I found funny was how Takaba says Kenjaku looks beautiful and handsome but there's that ugly as hell scar on his forehead the whole time.
Honestly I hate omegaverse but I get why everyone jokes about how JJK is an implied omegaverse manga with Panda joking that Yuji made Todo and Choso act weird with his pheromones or that scene where Gojo sniffs the air around him and smells Geto's cursed whatever, the implied comparisons between Geto's technique and pregnancy, the constant jokes about Geto being a pretty woman and Gojo being "her" golder retriever boyfriend aren't even funny and the ones who take this seriously are straight up annoying.
No.10060
I thought when FC2 was going down, it was going to be a few side services and not the main host but apparently it's gone. This is so awful. It looks like the archive team saved it but the wayback machine is being really slow and for some reason even though it was indexed in time, a page I tried errored. I just got where I needed to go but I had to block the "hey, we're murdering fandom" popup because it was blocking navigation.
I hate when hosts wipe everything and JP hosts and even fans love deleting shit. I wish I could time travel through the internet and save things from my small, dead fandoms. I'm still mourning forest page which died last year and I didn't realize there were fics I needed on it until right after the fact (mobile friendly webhost mostly used for fanfics in the 00s that was supposedly yume-centric but they had yaoi too). I remember at the time reading a girl's site and she was reminiscing about it and it was one of those moments where I felt so close to the writer and I regret not asking archive team about it. Anyway, I'm checking on some other old things I was trying to organize. We truly are at the end of days.
No.10061
>>10060I feel like I'm on crack because my own FC2 site is still up alongside the blogs in my bookmarks. I thought it was only specific subdomains that were being removed.
Even if Archive.org shits the bed it also helps to save the page locally if you still have your tabs loaded.
No.10062
>>10060I still am able to access blogs hosted on fc2. However several old fanart fc2-hosted sites I visited for old 2000s fandoms are now gone…
This is why I obsessively save every fanart I see and like. I'm so nervous about losing artwork and like you said, jp artists often nuke their socials randomly anyway. Better just to archive it yourself somehow.
No.10065
>>10064Oh god I hope its not the same post that I read that also had a similar thing described. The audacity to call fujoshi "tourists that shove ship media down people's throats" when we've always been here and probably made gen content alongside ship media.
Though unrelated, I will pull a NLOF (not like other fujos) and say that the recent uptick of newgen ""fujos"" that came from hoyoslop which panders to "one true ship mentality" by artificially boosting shipbait in canon instead of authentic shipping made based on the character interactions and events that occur in the plot probably caused the uptick of insufferable canonfags that can only comprehend ships that are approved or explicitly implied in canon instead of just having fun making yaoi. The way these "fujos" enjoy content is so absurd, from what I saw its more about bragging right on who won by having the most canon and correct ship meanwhile their depictions of the ship in fanart is so wildly OOC and different it makes you wonder what the point of having a "canon ship win" is if you don't even enjoy or depict their canon interactions in your fanart. I hate how these schizos make fujos look bad though I wont absolve them of the fujo title since they are technically fujoshi because of the BL element, but their ways of going about it is just. unhinged. I just don't get it
Sorry for the schizobabble, I know we're digging on yumes here but I can't help but be reminded of the fujoshis they probably encountered and have a negative impression on and it's always the loud and obnoxious hoyofag archetype that take fujoshi infights to the extreme.
No.10069
>>10065>The way these "fujos" enjoy content is so absurd, from what I saw its more about bragging right on who won by having the most canon and correct ship Wow, that's some waifufag moid behaviour right there.
No.10070
>>10065I’ll admit I’ve had OTP autism for the entire time I’ve been a fujo (since Remus and Sirius appeared in the Harry Potter books) so I do understand the mentality. It’s easier to engage with the source material when you feel like they’re validating your ship. “Their love is so canon!” is a phrase I think about often. I don’t think it makes someone less of a fujo, but… yeah I know I’m a stubborn autist. Yes, I admit I do get my jimmies rustled by more popular competing ships if it’s a pairing I really really care about.
No.10071
>>10070Same nonna with an addendum: I also get mad if someone ships my OTP “wrong.” I know I have brain worms, I’m sorry.
No.10072
>>10065>canonfags that can only comprehend ships that are approved or explicitly implied in canonthey are cancerous, It’s even worse when the source material is some juvenile shounen thing or a comedy, and they act like the sanctity of "canon" must be protected when the canon ship takes up maybe 1/100 of the entire plot.
It’s crazy to me how these people are allowed in fandoms nowadays, they know nothing about how fandom started or what shipping was, with the roots back to Star Trek shipping, yet they act like authorities on it.
>their depictions of the ship in fanart is so wildly OOC and different it makes you wonder what the point of having a "canon ship winI have seen this multiple times, i don't get it either.
No.10073
>>10070>>10071I think all of this is fine as long as you are not being annoying about it. Nufujos bragging about their ship being canon and putting others down is what bothers me. Doesn't matter whether it's my otp or notp people are talking about that way, it's always feels unpleasant to see.
No.10074
>>10073I never interact with people I disagree with, I just hide them (or whatever equivalent on each respective website) and seethe in silence. There’s no point in starting an argument about something that boils down entirely to personal preference.
No.10081
When will yumes fuck off? I'm tired of having to pretend I care about people's self-inserts when I don't. It's always shitting up character searches and yumes can never just not open their big mouths about fujos and how much fujos suck and how only yumes understand their husbandos. I want them to go back to being cringe instead of having to see ugly hetslop of someone's OC when I'm looking for art of a male character.
No.10086
>>10081My friend was surprised by this, she’s a fujo, but she didn’t expect the fujo haters to be women, she thought it’d be mostly men.
She didn’t even know what a yume was kek, so I explained it like this, imagine you read Twilight and end up shipping Edward with Jacob, then a yume comes in and says, “Noooooo you’re supposed to read it for Bella! You’re supposed to want both of them for her! you’re misogynist!”
That’s basically the yume vs fujo argument.
No.10090
>>10086I get what you're going for but twilight would be a bad example since they were written in canon to be in love with Bella lol. I cant think of alternate YA novels that don't have romance as a focal point but idk, anything but twilight probably couldve worked
No.10091
>>10086Forgive me since I don't use social media and am not caught up in this battle, but I thought yume was another way of saying "Self-shipper" as in "No Jacob is supposed to be in love with ME!" Kind of behavior. Is it not? What you're describing sounds like a boring het shipper.
No.10092
>>10091NTA but the venn diagram of a modern hetshipper and yume often turns into a circle because they project hard into the female character and use them as a self-insert.
No.10093
>>10091Basically Bella is a self insert for women reading, so it goes like otome games, straight shipping most of time it's just self shipping without needing to make an oc
No.10095
>>10092I was thinking about this the other day. Aside from me naturally being more into yaoi, a lot of het stuff has the boring female leads. The female lead can't be too weird / off-putting / unrelatable for a female audience (self-inserting), but she also can't be too ugly / flawed in romance subplots for a male audience (waifubait and wish-fulfillment).
The lead in mainstream het romance novels is usually something like a brown-haired smart girl who is still pretty and a girl-next-door, but she struggles with self-confidence or something. Pairings like Dramione and Reylo feel very same-y to me. Idk, I just want het where both of the characters are interesting stand alone characters.
No.10098
>>10095I hate the hold that Dramione has on the hetshipper hp fandom. Like sure, Ronmione, Hinny, and Jily aren’t unpopular, but they are only popular because they are canon which stifles creativity imo. I just want to see more creativity in hetshipper hp spaces. Like fujos are out here making novels of random borderline crackships
sometimes they are actual crackships meanwhile the hetshipper side only makes novels for Dramione or canon pairings. I’d probably read more het fics if the dynamics that are popular weren’t garbage.
No.10117
>>10095They're designed to be wish fulfillment for the female readers and plenty of zoomers and zillenials seem to have actual booktok brainrot that prevents them from reading any fiction that isn't "self-insert friendly". They feel genuinely cucked reading about a relationship that doesn't involve them which is why fujos not self-inserting is an incomprehensible thing to them.
No.10118
>>10070>>10071AYRT, I admit my wording is pretty bad kek, I'm probably worse in that I'm a crackshipper but I'm sometimes adamant that my crackship OTP couldve worked and has canon evidence to work out based on character personality and events that would've made them compatible (aside from the timeline preventing them from meeting properly) and I don't mind shippers that get canon wins for their OTP.
What I don't like however are OTP powerscalers who use canon as a means to put down other ships as "unworthy" due to the fact theyre not canon yet turn around and depict their OTP so OOC whats the point of being a canonfag if you're not even going to enjoy their *canon* dynamic and characterization?????
No.10119
>>10065>that came from hoyoslop>caused the uptick of insufferable canonfags that can only comprehend ships that are approved or explicitly implied in canon instead of just having fun making yaoiNo, this is not from hoyosloppers. It all started with YOI. You'll see this behavior all over /a/ homothreads ever since YOI happened and technically, it also spilled to tumblr which is also what caused the klance mess too.
Most of the "canon ship" fags are people who only like BL/Yaoi for the "queerness"
No.10127
>>10065>Oh god I hope its not the same post that I read that also had a similar thing described.NTA but do you mind sharing the post? I'm very curious.
> artificially boosting shipbait in canon instead of authentic shipping made based on the character interactions and events that occur in the plot I feel like the best ship moments are the ones which arise organically, and result in the most unintentionally homoerotic shit you've ever seen. I personally like to find these moments, and they all contribute to my understanding of their dynamic. With that being said, there is a ship which involves one half of my OTP, and it is arguably "more canon" than my OTP (although my OTP has plenty of unintentionally homoerotic shit, this other ship is more officially supported). These shippers tend to be very annoying and obsessed with wholesomeness. Many of them seem to overlap with the kind of people who say shit like, "why ship X/Y when X/Z is so much healthier???" I might just be bitter because this other ship is more popular kek.
>>10070>>10071This is so relatable, just with a different ship from a different fandom in my case.
No.10130
DeepL has a free translation limit. Fuck, we already have the technology and resources to make it free. I need to translate pixiv fanart slop because I've perused everything in English about my shitty OTP. I'm suffering. Can't we just monetize some moid-centric activity instead and make this, the one little scrap of happiness for a fujo, free?
No.10131
>Uke in my OTP is made into the seme or a troon in most English fics
Most of the fics are Chinese or Japanese so I have to use google translate but it’s so annoying how when an English fic does pop up I have to deal with one of those fucking things most of the time.
No.10132
>>10131I wish tags like top!character bottom!character were used more frequently
No.10133
>>10130What about Google Translate? I use it more than DeepL because DeepL usually starts spitting out random bullshit at some point, especially if it's something smutty.
No.10135
>>10131I can relate.
>Uke getting turned into a daddy dom of all things>Seme getting transed>A good portion of fics that have them tagged when they're just a BG pair>'lol autism!!' permeating a lot of what's written as well No.10136
>>10133Thanks I gave it a try and was surprised it is good now. Back in the day I remember it not being very usable, but I guess their technology thankfully improved.
No.10140
>>10135>Uke getting turned into a daddy dom of all thingsThis is awful too, but imagine being me and liking cute and soft tops and getting jumpscared by people who write them as daddy doms instead. I wish that trope would die, it's always ooc as hell and the opposite of hot, especially when they include super cringey dirty talk.
>>10139I feel you, I really have to question if some 'fujos' actually enjoy boys love as they seem obsessed with forcing one of them into an overly masculine role, and the other into an overly feminine one (or even straight up making the uke into a girl).
No.10141
>>10140Yes. I've definitely encountered a fujo before who comes off as more of a yume because of how she feminizes the uke. I've also encountered women who talked about how they used to like BL but now they're into yume stuff like female Hoyo gacha MC x guy they personally have the hots for so there's a precedent for this. I know it's possible to just like BL and hetships at the same time but not everyone treats it the same way.
No.10142
>>10139I was just scrolling through my feed and saw more of this bullshit and almost lost it kek. And you're right, a ton of East Asian artists do this genderbending shit. I think it was discussed in this or some other thread before that they sometimes admit to having genuinely homophobic views and "need" to make the uke female to support the couple.
>>10140Related but I'm a big, big fan of dirty talk but so many people are so bad at writing it. It always turns into the generic, embarrassing booktok level "Take daddy's cock, slut" drivel with no real thought or effort behind it.
No.10143
>>10142>dirty talkAt some point, I can't pick exactly when, but these bizarre OTT dirty talk cliches and hardcore bdsm practices got HUGE across sooo many different fandoms, and the lines and scenarios are so, so similar like carbon copies. So often it's just another bland 50 Shades of Gray AU oneshot with a yaoi pairing.
Sometimes I like to read fanfics that are amateurishly written when it's apparent the author isn't really familiar with these tropes just to see some fresh ideas, even if the execution is weak.
No.10144
>>10139If one of the partners is female or has female parts then its not BL. They need to get harassed into oblivion to not use any related tags.
No.10145
>>10142Sometimes it feels like it's done just to sexualize the uke even further because they want to draw huge hentai tits. Idk if people like this are closeted bi or something. Babies/pregnancy are another big thing, which is also why omegaverse caught on so much. I've seen stuff like 'I like these guys' friendship but I don't want them to be together because I want them to get married to women and have children' which makes me break out in hives. Even from a hetfag perspective you have to realise that you're still creating a scenario where the men's relationship with each other is deeper and more important than the one they have with the rando wives, right? Do you really want the women being undervalued? I know that shit is very true to real life and happens all the time but jfc, fiction is escapism. I love a good closeted pair of bros fucking in secret myself but if you tell me they're just platonic (but still each other's most important person) and the marriages are supposed to be legit then I just want these women to leave and get better.
No.10146
>>10140>they seem obsessed with forcing one of them into an overly masculine role, and the other into an overly feminine one (or even straight up making the uke into a girl)I hate this. It's straight up hotter to have a guy (yes an actual guy) get fucked by another guy and get flustered. Sometimes I will consume or create material where the character typically cast as seme gets fucked and broken down because the idea is so hot. I just want both guys to be cute and in character.
>>10142>Take daddy's cock, slutcan't judge at all, but calling someone daddy is kinda cringe imo
No.10149
>>10144People tagging it as BL are the worst, in particular when it's a collectio of assorted works so there's no way to know there's hetshit there until you scroll down/click through.
No.10157
>>10144It's too late, the cancer is inoperable. A while ago I was browsing Lupin III fics, and came across an M/M for LupJig. Tags were Cis Lupin and Cis Jigen. On a M/M fic. For LupJig. *Cis character tags.* (Theyre not anywhere near close to being trannies in canon). We've lost the plot…
No.10158
>>10157I appreciate tagging for tranny-fied characters since it's obviously not canon, but tagging for canonical traits is beyond belief. I really want Ao3 to add a separate tranny pairing category. But I know that will never happen.
No.10161
>>10158I know there are other fic sites that have tranny category tags and trannies over there love it, but those sites are also not as freeing as ao3 for various reasons. But I do wish there were separate categories so that troons would stop clogging up the m/m category en masse.
No.10168
>>10156Haven't read SD
so I may be wrong or insane but doesn't this person have a Towa pfp??
I'll never understand people that don't read/watch the actual thing they supposedly love so much and are a fan of. I just don't see the point.
No.10175
>>10168Yes and the scene they’re asking about is in the first chapter of the VN kek
No.10177
You need to play it up nicely if you ever want people to "warm up" to the idea of separating M/M to T/M T4T etc.
Something like, "I'm trans and sometimes I just wanna read t!fic and t4t fic but the M/M tag is too vast to have trans fic in consideration. And some people often don't tag their trans hc so it'd be nice to have an specific trans category like "other" does"
or something like that.
No.10184
A friend and I got accepted to be part of an artist alley, the thing is it took so long and I kinda forgot about it and thought they would not accept us so now I'm panicking cuz I got no time to make stuff, it'll be my first proper artist alley too. I could make my own stickers and prints and cut them all by hand, but stuff like badges or keychains? Doubt I'll get the time but I have hope for pins I might get something, not even talking about making new designs and drawings. The con is on the last weekend of September, it's a lot of time but not really. Pray for me nonnies that I get everything in time, I'm excited but at the same time I'm stressing out.
No.10190
Artist who drew buff male gay art switched to cuntboy, worse, giving breasts to men and softening their bodies to look like women's
It's just het with a male head.
I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!
No.10191
>>10190There is this flavor of "omegaverse" going around where the male omega just has a pussy and they grow breasts while they are pregnant and it's like???????????????????????????????????????????
>>10184Good luck with the scramble!
No.10192
>>10191>There is this flavor of "omegaverse" going around where the male omega just has a pussy I feel like this is literally every ABO nowadays. It's like an excuse to straight up write about pussy (not that TIF writers need any) but most ABO these days ALWAYS have pussy. Did people get too self-conscious over the lubricating assholes or something? In fact, I feel like more and more fujos are getting "icky" about gay anal sex.
No.10193
>>10192>Did people get too self-conscious over the lubricating assholes or something?Maybe this belongs in the confession thread but fictional 2D anime boy hole turns me on. The thought of a guy taking up the ass is much more erotic because of how tight and lewd anal is. You can go for the degradation angle too. 2D boys have tight pink holes with lubrication, none of the gross stuff.
No.10194
>>10191It's not even omegaverse. I've seen this for Lord of the Rings, the unfortunate Arcane and even more unfortunately, MHA.
But I find A LOT of 'fujos' in some fandom spaces obsessed with pregnancy, breeding, and goonposting about how bad they want to eat Character x's pussy.
It can't be closeted bisexuality because 80% of them are some flavor of 'queer.'
No.10195
>>10192>I feel like more and more fujos are getting "icky" about gay anal sexI think in the past these people would just not be fujos and would probably be in some anti yaoi group on DA but now the cat's out of the bag with vags everywhere so people who wouldn't usually enjoy two guys fucking can now get away with making their stealth het while taking advantage of the popularity of yaoi shipping.
I don't even write anal very often myself these days but I get that most people want to see that more intimate connection between the characters and will get disappointed if you 'just' have the guys do frottage or intercrural or whatever. So if they don't like dick in ass, they'll go for dick in vag. Or whatever.
No.10196
I fucking hate this timeline so much. Just go fucking write het stuff elsewhere, JUST GO, GOOOOO. Leave the gay stuff alone. I just want penises and assholes and muscles and male identities.
No.10197
>>10195>most people want to see that more intimate connection between the characters and will get disappointed if you 'just' have the guys do frottage or intercrural or whatever.Low level fujos, I actually find that the (somewhat rare) fics that don't even feature penetration can have more intimate moments and can also feel more in character. I wish people didn't limit themselves and that they'd get rid of the mindset that every porn fic needs to eventually have dick going into ass.
On the topic of pussies in
BL (and other things that come with it such as the obsession with pregnancy/breeding), I wish there was a way to express disliking it without people branding you as a transphobe and discrediting your opinion completely. Even just saying that you're uncomfortable with PiV hurts their egos, because to them that's clearly the pinnacle of gay sex between two absolutely real men.
No.10198
>>10197I wish anal wasn't the whole "end all be all" when it comes to slash fic and bl. I think it's hotter when they make out, hump, and cum without even taking off their clothes. Pretty much every m/m porn longfic out there will feature anal sex with a small amount of foreplay. Trying to find one without anal is like finding a needle in a haystack
>I wish there was a way to express disliking it without people branding you as a transphobe and discrediting your opinion completelyI think some people are waking up to this because it's starting to affect "normie" fujos that read fanfiction. AO3's subreddit recently had a vent about pussy in m/m fics because of retarded "trans character" tag and "character has a vagina" tag being separated and not having some sort of parent tag that encompasses both. They all used delicate language but it was obvious that people are starting to get annoyed and there was some tif who tried to cry about "cisnormativity" that got downvoted a bunch.
No.10199
>>10198At this point I would be fine with a cis and nonbinary and even neopronoun tag so it's no longer a statement about cisnormativity to leave the pussy stuff untagged. I guess things like "oh no he's been cursed with a pussy that has to get fucked so he can have his cock back" would be hard to tag under this system though.
>Trying to find one without anal is like finding a needle in a haystackI'm writing some related standalones right now and it's driving me insane because all of them are situations where there is no way to have pleasant anal and I want them to fuck in at least one!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clothed humping is kino though, excellent taste.
No.10201
>I don't like genderswaps
>but I'm fine with making a character trans
It's the same fucking thing.
No.10202
>>10200>spoilerNTAYRT but post it!
If you want to of courseIt's always nice to see and read a variety of opinions.
No.10203
>>10201I've seen this and it's usually because genderbends / genderswaps / ""cisbends"" supposedly "make fun" of being trans or don't "reflect" the trans experience or it's just making a character a girl (mostly).
Transbending makes the character a girl but with extra steps, and more often than not it really is pure self-insertion.
I know someone in my fandom that likes to think the uke in my NOTP is transmasc (and they never tag it, because they think it's canon) but get horrendously mad when someone draws the seme in girly clothing through crossdressing or jokes about him being a girl or seeing any genderbend art of the seme. The hypocrisy is funny because they don't complain about the uke though lol
No.10204
>>10198Based. Got a link of the post?
No.10207
>>10206>I’m a very asexual vagina-ownerMe when I’m trying to sound woke and express my distaste for pussy in my m/m
No.10209
I have so much bad art of my ship saved, and I have to drip-feed it to the LC bad art thread over the span of months because I don't want anyone to get mad.
No.10210
>>10207KEK it's true though and completely valid, just worded in the wokespeak they can't counter.
No.10211
>>10210>>10207I also choose to take the "wrapping medication for your dog in cheese" approach when mingling in public online spaces. I don't like that it makes me sound like a dweeb (I've gotten shit for it here haha) but these people are everywhere I'm not taking any chances.
>>10208Girl same. I've cooled down a little as I got older but the NOTP autism still gets in the way of nice interactions I know I would have had otherwise.
No.10212
>>10208tell us about your NOTPs here
No.10213
>>10208I'm the same, nonna. Having this kind of autism brain is rough. There have been times where I saw someone I thought I'd vibe with and then they turn out to ship my NOTP and I run a mile.
I try to just put my stuff out there and hope likeminded people will see it but it's very rare to get interaction.
No.10214
>>10208God same. I wish I could contain my spergery when it comes to my NOTPs etc but for example I hate old ugly men (like actual old men, not 30-40somethings) and smug "old man yaoi" fans so much that I can't mask my distaste for them when people start going on about how hot some ragged old fart is.
No.10215
>>10208Sounds like you might be doomed to a life of fandom loneliness unless you can find people exactly into the same ship, vibe, and dynamics that you are.
No.10216
>>10212I won't mention the fandom but the character I like the most is shipped with a blank slate (not a yume character, but the typical personalityless male MC) and that's 90% of his content. Most people don't even care about him, they just want to fuck him, so they use the MC to project everything they want (to be done) to them.
>>10215Believe it or not, this isn't *entirely* impossible, including having a similar personality to mine. Just like these anons
>>10213 >>10214 exist, so do exist people who may have my same views on a ship but it's still rare to find someone.
It's not that I want people to be 1:1 to me, but I do dislike shallow people that can't even say WHY they even like their supposed OTP to begin with
No.10217
>>10216Maybe not impossible, sure, but the likelihood of encountering it in your preferred fandom seems low (since you mention you want to talk to more people but can't).
>>10213Curious about situations like this. Even if you put your stuff out there, nothing prevents people from interacting with it who also ship other things as well. What do you even do in this case? Politely say thanks and move on?
No.10218
>>10197>fics that don't even feature penetration can have more intimate moments and can also feel more in character. I love those. I don't mind dick-in-ass but it is overplayed. Well written frotting can be just as nice
No.10220
>>10217If it's somewhere like twitter and I can see they ship my NOTP/are a yume/are obnoxious, I block. On ao3, I've tried to train myself into the habit of not looking at the profiles of people who comment on my stuff because 90% of the time I will see shit I don't like. However, the overlap between my OTP and NOTP is very small because most people who ship my NOTPs are antis. If I do catch an anti engaging with any of my work though, such as a piece of art that could pass as platonic, I instablock.
The other people who ship my OTP are the problem because if enough of them were to see I blocked them, they could start talking. So I just mute those. But if they happen to comment on my work, I reply as politely as possible. I recently considered trying tumblr again just on the tiny off chance that somebody like-minded might send me an ask or DM, it's honestly the only place I know of where you could get actual interaction…
Also, I don't care if people ship other things. In fact, it's a good situation to be in when you have a fandom friend with a different ship/fave to you, if that ship doesn't involve your fave, because a fellow OTP shipper / X fave person can have wildly different taste.
What hurts the most is when I can see someone with very similar taste who I'd love to talk to but they're an Asian artist so I wouldn't know how to even start trying to make friends with them. Probably impossible.
No.10223
>>10208I can't find any fujos in any fandom that I'm in that shares the same ships AND follows their canon dynamic without changing it up to a retarded degree. Like sure porn fics are fun to write and read but not when they're different people with different mindsets and different genitalia from canon.
I don't know how fandom became like this, it's so common and I know everyone on fujochan complains about this but man I just want one friend who gets it, even if they ship a differen couple than me. Feels like everyone is full of landmines.
>>10220I've had JP artists reach out to me but I don't do my reps so I leave them on read which makes me very sad. Let's all do our reps and get into JP fujodrama instead of EN fujodrama.
No.10225
>>10206>tif is a misogynist that hates her own bodywoah
also love that absolutely handmaiden cucked behaviour she had in response
>I am glad they informed me :))))These people are so utterly lost, she deserves to be around those who analyze every word she says and relentlessly criticize her.
No.10226
>>10225>These people are so utterly lost, she deserves to be around those who analyze every word she says and relentlessly criticize her.I know right? I was like this around my college years but at some point I got fed up with trying to reason with people who clearly just take it out on me that they hate their bodies cause they got molested as a child or something. It reminds me of how there's two podcasters I've been following for a while who started out their careers being crass in the early 2010s but over time they've been pandering more to gendies and gendie-allied people but as a result whenever they're even a little crass in their humor again they'll get negative emails from people who are upset cause they made fun of a certain musician or subculture. And it's no wonder cause they literally started to build an audience of people who are fundamentally insecure.
No.10227
>>10223>I've had JP artists reach out to me but I don't do my reps so I leave them on read which makes me very sadDamn nona, I'm so envious of you. Actually I have had this happen once before, but it was when I was drawing a rarepair in another fandom. Nothing in my current one so far.
No.10228
>>10217>nothing prevents people from interacting with it who also ship other things as well. What do you even do in this case? Politely say thanks and move on?For me, as long as the other ship they ship isn't my NOTP it's fine for me. They can like anything else, but if it's the NOTP, that's just nope.
It's like how an anon said either in this thread or another, that they wrote for a very niche ship of theirs and two people liked the fic and one of them was a yumejo that'd replace the uke with themselves….if that's the kind of "fan" you'd get I absolutely would block that type of person regardless IF they actually shipped the ship.
>>10220>>10223>>10227Eastern artists are still people, anons. They genuinely don't mind if you talk to them in google translate or straight away english. Stop being afraid.
No.10229
>>10228>Eastern artists are still people, anons. They genuinely don't mind if you talk to them in google translate or straight away english. Stop being afraid.My problem is that I still don't fully understand the etiquette in different eastern fandoms. I've commented on art before and I know that's usually fine, but I would be nervous about randomly twitter DMing someone even if it was a western artist. That was honestly one of the good things Tumblr had, you could drop a random gushing message in someone's askbox and it was pretty normal.
Funnily enough I did once make a fandom friend who I later met in RL through randomly Tumblr DMing her that later turned into RPing our ship, but I still don't even remember how that happened.
No.10230
>>10228>>10229Yeah I see way too many posts about the strict fandom etiquette in eastern fandoms that I'm too paranoid about breaking some niche rule I had no idea about when replying to someone. Every now and then a post pops up saying something like "NEVER do/say (a completely innocuous thing), it's VERY disrespectful in eastern fandoms!!!" and I have to wonder if it's just w/k/cboos making up shit to gatekeep their circles kek
No.10231
>>10229>>10230There really isn't that much of an alien difference when it comes to eastern fandoms? At least it can be simple to behave if you aren't one of those obnoxious people who repost politics all the time and shove headcanons down people's throats.
Some artists don't like people going through their entire media tab to RT/Like ALL their drawings, and also most of them don't like QRTs either. Saying things like "kill yourself" in that type of "I'm so overwhelmed I hate you" will just confuse them.
Most jp artists won't "like" replies (as in, won't give a like for every reply) and will reply normally or never will, and some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos). It's just kind of the same thing you wouldn't do to another westerner either (at least I wouldn't).
Really, as long as you aren't an obnoxious anti or act like a teenager past your 20s, most eastern artists will give you the time of day. What they hate the most about foreigners is how it feels as if "they can get angry at anything" so you have to be prepared to like all sorts of things when talking to an eastern artist. From reverse ships to gendebends to cuntboys to the seme fucking the animalfied version of the uke, etc
No.10232
>>10230>some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos).I've only recently started becoming friendly with non-en speakers in my current fandom and have noticed this (and now I do it too lol). Do you know any reason why they have this way of communicating? It's interesting that it seems there will be a conversation happening on a person's TL but you can only see one side of it unless you know who they're talking to. I also noticed that when liking someone's art, it's typical to just tweet about it instead of reply (and the artist, if following you, will usually like that tweet?).
Anyway, I rambled, but to the other anons… I really recommend it if your fandom is small. It can make your world a lot bigger and you can have more pleasant interactions, especially when maybe en fandom is kinda lame.
No.10233
>>10231>Most jp artists won't "like" replies (as in, won't give a like for every reply) and will reply normally or never will, and some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos). It's just kind of the same thing you wouldn't do to another westerner either (at least I wouldn't).Honestly I would interpret this as rude behavior myself, like someone is ignoring me and openly vaguetweeting about me and my work and I'm not meant to see it. I wonder where behavior like this comes from?
No.10234
>>10233I think if the tweets are positive it doesn't really matter. I always take "vaguetweeting" to be negative but in this case it's just stuff like "xyz-san's blorbo is so cute!!" I dunno how you can interpret that as rude.
No.10235
>>10233>I wonder where behavior like this comes from?I think it came from not wanting to spam someone's notifications?
No.10236
>>10234This kind of thing unfortunately drives me up the wall because I'm really unlikely to see it. I barely check my TL ever. Please take pity on autists like me and just directly communicate.
The codenames people use for disguising their character/ship talk also make me go crazy sometimes because it can make the posts blended in with normal tweets.
No.10238
>>10236>The codenames people use for disguising their character/shipYou mean like when people use emojis? I always assumed it was because antis couldn’t stop themselves from shitting up the ship tag so people use emojis instead because you have to be in the know to use them. Also helps with the language barrier.
No.10239
>>10238nayrt but i see people censoring ship names by leaving out certain letters, for presumably the same reason. or to talk shit about a NOTP.
No.10240
>>10238I meant actually searchable names but emojis can be even worse if you have some rarepair that you can't find any discussion on normally even though you know from pixiv some shippers exist. The katakana version of the ship name happened to be the same as some Japanese company name so that was all Twitter was giving me, and I assumed there must be a special name.
Can you even emoji search on twt?
No.10241
Just like everything else, gacha has become a wasteland for fujos while everyone else gets fed. Sad considering I went to joseimuke games when anime wasn't doing as much fujobait, but now it's either full on waifufag pandering, or if it's for women its an otome game like LADS where they don't like anyone making BL fanart or fanfics. Hoyo is still fujobaiting, but the company keeps messing with female players and will always betray you in the end. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that there is a fujo market for Bl with plots and stories. Not just porn games, not just self-insert. People want stories and plot in addition to romance. Hoyo sucks but it's clear they made it big and hooked a new fujo audience because no one else was pandering. Even new anime doesn't pander anymore. I'm sick of this cycle for fujoshi. Every time a company will use fujos for free money or fanart. Not even just gacha companies. Look what MAPPA did, Yuri on ice was a big success and it still didn't stop them from dropping BL to focus on WSJ titles instead. No one wants to pander to us and give us anime with the big budget animations, or the open world gacha games with the fun gameplay. Then when it's games for women we have to deal with yumes who shit on us and who would be more than happy to team up with incels to hate on the yaoi. Even the /vmg/ joseimuke thread might as well just be the yume thread since outside of NuC posting they're always shitting on fujos. They can be just as annoying as incels with hating on people who dare to ship any husbandos.
No.10243
>>10241iirc, one of the reasons Mappa cancelled YoI behind the scenes was because another company with a stake in the series had a contract taking enough of the profit that it wasn't worth it for them to continue with their current production costs.
Bucchigiri actually ended up having a lot of bait, but the writing was a mess and it couldn't decide what kind of story it wanted to be.
No.10244
>>10241>I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that there is a fujo market for Bl with plots and storiesThe market is right there tho and it's called BL. If you want mainstream success like some big budget gacha or anime unfortunately that's an unrealistic expectation (for now at least), but if it's "BL with plots and stories" you're looking for they already exist out there in comics, webnovels, audio dramas. I'd rather directly support BL creators and works rather than the dogshit fujobait slop in gachas or gen anime.
>/jsmk/Might as well rebrand it as the LADS general at this point. I stopped posting regularly after quitting Nucani early this year. It's not like there are any good joseimukes or omni gachas either, so there's no quality discussion to be had in those threads.
No.10245
>>10244Ntayrt but there is the issue that everything except comics are a huge filter for people.
Not very many people are willing to listen to audio dramas and probably less are open to reading web novels.
No.10246
>>10232>Do you know any reason why they have this way of communicating? I think most artists get a lot of notifications over their fanarts and may often have them turned off. If they want to talk to someone they specifically do like, they'll look at their timeline instead. So it's unfortunate for this anon
>>10236 because they actually prefer to look at their timeline.
Also, with the "cutting up character names / shipnames" apparently it's because they don't want regular fans to stumble upon slash content? But it's kind of stupid because it still ruins it for people who DO want to find such slash content… It's not the same using ダパ or something (for example) instead of the full ship name, it's too vague. Emojiposting can be cute but it's impossible to search.
No.10247
>>10241I complain about this to my friends all the time. Just like with the new PSG, they're baiting hard with the two male angels pushing them in advertising and promotions but give them noticeably downgraded animation and less interesting scenes in the actual anime. I wish fujos collectively grew wise to this and stopped giving companies free promotion unless they committed to giving us what we want instead of being cucked to settle for scraps and delusion every single time. At least people are being burnt out with gacha, a lot of the people who used to be big Hoyo players gave up with the new "government assigned BL ships" because they have literally no on-screen bait or chemistry between them compared to something like KaeLuc and HaiKaveh. They really thought they could just endlessly give two carte blanche tall males and expect the fans to do the rest forever, I hope ifaron bombing taught them a lesson. Fujos need to start putting their money where their mouth is, support indie fujo creators who are struggling and help them grow to send a message, volunteer for scanlation groups translating mangas and VNs etc. If hoyo BL artists put half the effort they put into cranking out pirate merman AUs into typesetting bestseller BL mangas we would be feasting all the time.
>>10243Yeah they had to hawk the IP to many sponsors because nobody wanted to fund a fujo slanted series to begin with, I genuinely don't understand how they didn't think a well-made, normie-accessible, dramatic romance about two attractive male ice skaters in an international setting wouldn't be a runaway success in a market that's extremely popular but suffering of severe canon drought. People saying that fujobait doesn't sell are delusional, the only reason the series fail is that they're not given the same kind of budget as other shows and the writing gets severely compromised because they don't want to go "too" gay. Like think about buddy daddies, literally everyone dropped that series like a hot potato when it chose to take the straggot route making them feel betrayed.
No.10248
>>10247>I complain about this to my friends all the time. Just like with the new PSG, they're baiting hard with the two male angels pushing them in advertising and promotions but give them noticeably downgraded animation and less interesting scenes in the actual anime. I feel like this has come up before, but how many people are actually watching the series just for fujo content? It seems more likely to me that people were fans of the original and were cautiously optimistic. It's the same deal with people who end up making Oreimo yaoi dj or getting into Warhammer 40k BL. It's not people enjoying "scraps" it's people having fun and shipping a series they'd otherwise enjoy yaoi or not.
No.10249
>>10246>Also, with the "cutting up character names / shipnames" apparently it's because they don't want regular fans to stumble upon slash content? That's exactly it. Depending on each person it's either because they don't want to annoy non BL fans or because they don't want to be harassed and insulted by non BL fans.
No.10251
>>10241After the recent gacha events, I've given up on them as far as fujo pandering goes. It's become really clear that most of the gachas that do have a mixed gender cast (mostly Hoyo games) don't exactly want to pander to fujos, they just want to provide enough crumbs so that they can pretend they care for audiences other than straight men. When you look at other gachas that are honest about it and have a male self insert + a fully female cast (BA, Azur Lane, NIKKE etc), you'll notice that they don't exactly have a
mainstream audience, which Hoyo very clearly is chasing. They want to have their cake and eat it too essentially. Joseimuke are slightly better, however there's still too much clashing between yumes and fujos, and even fujo-focused ones like Enstars will still occasionally throw some yume pandering.
There are still series that provide me my fujo fix, but it's getting rough out here. We don't even get sports anime that often anymore. I'm afraid this is also the result of fujos settling for crumbs time and time again, instead of supporting media that actually respects them and wants to appeal to them. If they really just have to play a gacha no matter what, they should play NuCarni, not a game that releases a new male character every 6 months.
>>10248>It seems more likely to me that people were fans of the original and were cautiously optimistic.This does happen, there's a lot of non-fujo series/games I enjoy and I usually end up having some silly BL crackships, so I can understand. But what I don't understand is people who seem to be into these series just for the fujobait, and they constantly set themselves up for disappointment when the series only gives them scraps.
No.10253
>>10248>It's not people enjoying "scraps" it's people having fun and shipping a series they'd otherwise enjoy yaoi or not.This is where 99% of my ships come from. I do occasionally read original BL/danmei/westernshit but we only have so much time on this earth and I'm not going to eat a rock because I know there's a cherry in there, I'm going to eat what's appetizing to me and sometimes there is a cherry on top (yaoi).
My taste isn't even GOOD. My ideal BL manga is probably just "basic bitch 40 volume super popular shonenshit but this time the slowburn romance between the rival/MC is actually canon at the end".
That being said I do wish fujos could unionize and pirate/fanmerch everything until the manga ends. Whenever I see itabags full of official keychains/pins/stands that I know were released after the ship has been canonically cucked I'm like "girl…"
No.10255
>>10247it's ridiculous how almost every hsr fujobait got cucked in favor of something else.
No.10256
>>10251>>10253Lately there's been an obvious trend of franchises deliberately getting rid of fujobait because they don't want the stigma of being a fujobait show (and want to compete with the rising Chinese anime industry), but they will still cram fujobait-y promotional material on everyone's feeds. The hoyoverse gachas are an apex predator of the industry doing this, they shit out 2 seconds worth of fan-commissioned fujobait and artificially inflate it to get people downloading the game and hope they'll stay for the vain hopes of getting fed when in actuality they're in for 8 months of armpit waifus before being tossed a short male that's more yumebait slanted than fujo pandering.
>inb4 lol hoyoshitThey're not the only ones doing it, they just set the business model up. A lot of posts on this site alone have been complaining about the lack of fujobait in recent shows and the ones that look promising barely get funding and the outright BL shows get cancelled or delayed, like who was surprised when the Nakamura-kun anime got delayed?
No.10272
>>10265Damn what the hell, that's terrible. I'm so sorry nonna.
Was it a recent pairing or an old one? I wonder if they got disilusioned or something
No.10275
>>10265This has always been a fear of mine, so I compulsively save everything my favorite artist does. I'm sorry for your loss, nona. Hopefully they come back on another platform.
No.10280
>>10234I think this might have happened to me once with a JP artist mutual. I posted some nsfw art and they liked it and then later made a tweet about how much they love [kink that I drew]. At the time I just thought they were posting their thoughts inspired by my art into the void, but was it actually meant to be directed at me as a conversation? I don't remember whether I liked their tweet back but I must have. That artist had actually commented on one of my pictures before so I assumed they would comment if they wanted to. Either way, I never would have guessed. Have also been QRT before but have only liked instead of replying and in retrospect I wish I had.
No.10281
All my friends that were into a niche ship not long ago all moved in to that nu-danganronpa yaoi and I hate it so much because it's not even good. I wonder how long this 'hyperfixation' will last but i'm just mad that my friends moved on too fast fuck
No.10282
>>10281The characters are so ugly.
No.10285
>>10282False.
>>10281What ship nonna? Maybe they'll cycle back around in a few months.
No.10287
>>10281You mean Hundred Line? I think it's a good game, plus the yaoi ship (which I'm assuming you're talking about) actually has one-sided canon confirmation, as well as THAT one ending CG. Why not give it a try yourself?
No.10289
>>10282I don't think they're necessarily ugly but neither of them are aesthetically pleasing to me.
>>10285Not naming the ship but it was from a fairly recent game, though admittedly the ship was also the most unpopular within it's fandom so I can understand moving on to popular things…
>>10287I'm not into the 'obsessive yandere' type of ship (which is most Eitaku fanart) and I don't have time to read through VNs anymore. It's not even a regular VN but one with at least several different scenarios and endings and I just don't have that type of commitment anymore.
Which brings me to say another fujo venting point, that zoomers nowadays are so easy to jump from ship to ship….maybe it's the ADHD in people but I'm the type that will still stick to a dying ship even when it was never even popular for years. There always has to at least be someone into (old thing) at some point, I occasionally see DRRR fanartists come around, the dedicated tiger and bunny fans, there are even still L/Kira shippers to this day
No.10290
>>10289>maybe it's the ADHD in peopleThe VN is over 120 hours long it's not an ADHD friendly game.
No.10291
>>10289I don't know if it's ADHD exactly but it's clear to me that fujos yearn for community, so when a new "big ship" comes along, they feel incentivized to join to get in on the hype.
Even though there are still dedicated fans for old things, I imagine they are pretty isolated and alone, community-wise. Creation or discussion just feels like yelling out into the ether with no response back (or you're stuck with the same one or two fans in that circle lol).
No.10292
>>10289>maybe it's the ADHD in people but I'm the type that will still stick to a dying ship even when it was never even popular for years. There always has to at least be someone into (old thing) at some point, I occasionally see DRRR fanartists come around, the dedicated tiger and bunny fans, there are even still L/Kira shippers to this dayThis is why I say they'll probably cycle back around, I'm speaking from personal bias but I usually have phases where I get back into a ship and need to catch back up on a fandom and read all the Death Notes stories I've missed over the last year or so. In that way it's never really jumping ship but putting something on the back burner. I still catch back up with stuff like Pamdora Hearts even though the fandom is dead-dead and re-read old favorites.
Also Hundred Line is massive, I'm still not done with it or even at the point where I can interact with the fandom without spoilers, I get the frustration with your friends being into something with no end in sight. Though it is a good game and I don't think it's fickle to want to play something while it's new and you haven't been spoiled.
No.10293
>>10282God they really are, I can't believe the character designs are somehow even uglier than the ones in Danganronpa. I hate that blue haired bitch the most
No.10315
Has anyone noticed the recent increase in various popular gay ships being called gross/disgusting usually either by hetshippers or yumes? Like they're not even trying to hide it anymore, it's just blatant homophobia, isn't it? They try to justify it by saying that the gay ship has obnoxious fans or cry about their ship being called hetslop by the evil fujos and homos, but at the end they also can't hide the disgust they feel upon seeing two men together (or women, it happens with yuri ships too).
And yet this is somewhat accepted, nobody speaks up against it because fujos are the boogeyman and it's ok to shit on what they like.
No.10316
>>10315I haven't seen it recently but it used to be very common for people to shit on SJ ships with blatant homophobia it was clearly male fans doing it though.
No.10317
>>10315I saw it a lot on tiktok with bakudeku. Even now, if you go into the comments on a bakudeku animation, you’ll get random people saying “bakudeku is gross” or “it’s so disgusting how people fetishize a friendship”
No.10321
>>10315This is just an average monday if you like a shonen ship
No.10323
>>10316>>10317>>10321Oh no, I don't exactly mean the male fans doing it, I don't expect much better from them in the first place. These are clearly female fans (who often also want to appear
woke and progressive otherwise) and when you check their twitter, it's 80% hating on the gay ship and its' fans and 20% thirsting over the husbando and his het ship(s). Incels often get called out for their homophobia, but not these people somehow. I think that people posting jokes such as that homophobic dog
ironically has led to actual homophobes feeling way too comfortable in these spaces.
And it's not strictly limited to shounen fanbases (I tend to avoid shounen for the most part), basically any media where there's both homo and het ships will have this kind of thing happen, at least in my experience.
No.10324
>>10323Honestly, I have definitely noticed "himes" and yumes getting a bit more uppity in insulting fujos because it's the "correct" thing to do as you know, fujos are fetishizers and hate women and whatnot. But they're not allowed to get *too* uppity like they want to truly do eg. "homosex is disgusting" like a bunch of yumes do believe as women get criticized more over perceived homophobia.
That said though, I feel like it's either trying to appear like a NLOG in the "I'm not a stupid dumb fujo!" or just performing in front of twitter moots who make hating fujos their whole personality. It's probably jealousy tbh
No.10326
>>10065I feel like Hoyo being so many people's first gacha is why we see this stupidity. The fandom went from kinda fun to people plain not understanding shipping anything that isn't "canon" or what they call "implied". There's no making up dynamics anymore or exploring anything other than whatever the "gov assigned" ships are, which is a shame since all the ships they consider "canon" are very vanilla. It's a big departure from how I knew fandom where people would make it a chance to ship anything and where it was understood that gacha especially wasn't about representation or making anything canon, any shipbait was just that, it was fanservice for fans. It's not "Hoyo sneaking past the censors". I remember Haikyuu fandom having fun shipping whatever that seeing how schizo Hoyo fans are made me finally feel like I didn't like how the new gen does fandom.
>>10247I think the bigger lesson is for fujos now to stop wanting to have a superiority complex to other fujos when nothing is canon. I didn't like Hoyo fujos who would bully other fujos just because their ship wasn't "chosen" or whatever. To me none of the "canon" is interesting when they can't dedicate lore or real screentime to them, they'll never actually affect the story. When the "most canon" ship is just boring rommates in a game full of lore and immortal otherworldly beings, you know it's because the devs don't care. Capiron was more interesting than Ifaron because it was never intended to be "gov assigned" which is why it was part of the plot of the aq and personally more interesting. I would love if Hoyo fans had a hard reset and just accepted they can't bully other fujos for shipping something else, especially in HSR where there's many ships with potential and where the writers themselves admitted they don't care. Instead of fighting about what ship is favored by these incel devs who don't care about any of us, just enjoy your own ship and shut up about other fujos. The real enemy is always going to be these incel devs and the incel fanbase they prioritize.
No.10328
I keep trying to make friends outside of fujo spaces instead make friends in other fandom spaces. It's so fucking hard though. I swear to god everyone wants to think their fandom is the most toxic, and they're the most victim fans to ever victim. It's a bit hypocritical since we've all had our complaints at some point about the way fujos are treated, but I really don't want to hear bullshit from someone drawing [currently airing seasonal anime girl] being afraid of posting pictures because the character was just revealed to be under 18. As if people really care that deeply about that. They'll never know what it's like writing or drawing fujo ships and getting sent animal gore anyway cause it was someones NOTP kek
No.10330
>>10329Explains the CP spam I suppose
No.10332
>>10331Username and pfps alone say all there is to know lmao
No.10333
>>10331I never see male hobby spaces self-police like this. Heterosexuality doesn't belong in BL.
No.10335
>>10331>evil shoplifterhi hope you end up in jail soon
>do self identified terf fujos start screaming and crying and throwing up if they see yaoi involving transmenNo, just throw up actually. Also you will never be a man.
>nuancedies>axel pfplmao i am sorry to axel fangirls here but goddamn I always disliked Axel, he is soo lame, I never understood why he was so popular. I guess these people like the bad punkish boy attitude, I find that kind of behavior just cringe and attention seeking.
No.10339
>>10333>Heterosexuality doesn't belong in BL.You'd think this be a common sense statement but there are people who absolutely refuse to think this. Calling fujos a bunch of gatekeepers, and how BL doesn't HAVE to be this, etc, etc.
With the KR BL Ennead, there were people using so many excuses like "Ennead isn't JUST a BL" or saying that the writer is writing more than "just a BL" and using all sorts of buzzwords to excuse the audacity and bold choice to put so much emphasis on the straight ship. I hate fakejoshis so fucking much. I don't hate hetslop, but it has no business being a prominent rival in a BL story, specifically with the main couple. I don't read queershit
No.10340
>>10333Guys are really respectful about porn tags in a way girls don't seem to be. It's like the one thing their fan spaces have over ours. No futafriend is out there trying to squeeze a woman with a penis unlabeled into the "M/F" or "F/F" tag. They love girl penis and want people who also love it to find it and people who hate it to filter it.
>>10329I skimmed the search results and I thought the posts about Vash were funny because I remembered reading them as they were posted here and thinking I would A-log if a ship I really cared about had like a 9:1 ftm fanworks ratio. Thoughts and prayers for the Trigun fujos.
No.10341
>>10340I'm a transformers fan. Try 100%. No ratio. It's just the ENTIRE fandom. There is no M/M only male pronouns and het everything.
JP
China
EU
USA
No.10345
>>10340On sites with tags sure, but you know how it goes on chans - some guys can't go a day without barking about girlcock and piss in an unrelated thread.
As a Trigun oldfag, I just stick with SEA artists and multichapters. Can't remember ever seeing any vulva.
No.10347
I hope every FFXIV artist who jumpscared me with Erenville vagina gets terrible need rolls on gear and breaks all of their materia when overmelding.
No.10348
>>10347I'm so sorry.
I dropped the fandom after I got Thancred with a vagina and no warning.
All my favorite ships got little to nothing and anything actually good (ie Dead Dove and not pathetically harmless) gets publicly ridiculed or shamed. Male viera could've been so much better
No.10350
>>10349>I thought the whole point of Trigun was incestVash belongs with Wolfwood over Knives any day.
And it's already been explained before, it's because Vash is a Plant and they're using it as an excuse to self insert same with any alien character.
No.10354
Seeing how popular Umamusume is with yuri fans once it got a global version makes me hate all these Japanese companies never making a global version for their joseimuke games. Maybe it would get people to finally leave Hoyo and realize how bad they have it and that more flavorful yaoi exists in games that will never start pumping out waifus. Or maybe not, some fujos prefer to stay in more mainstream shit than ever try anything less popular.
No.10355
>>10354Touken Ranbu did have a global version but johren whatever the company was handling it simply wasn't profitable so it went under.
Uma releasing globally on itself separately from JP is already kinda "lazy" (because cygames could've just added a language option like they did fo Granblue) but at least it's definitely doing well which surprised me a lot.
Also, most joseimuke in general kinda suck and are more yumejo-oriented than anything, so even if a game like Tale of Food had released globally, nothing would've saved it from EOS for example.
The only joseimuke I keep up with was Nu:C but honestly lately I'm just so lazy to play.
Sometimes I unironically wish there had been a male Uma equivalent because knowing all the horse lore is so fun and it would've made so much good BL if they had been guys. I still love my umas though No.10356
>>10354IME fujos have way more autism with their ships (I am extremely reluctant to also call this "standards" given we are specifically talking about Hoyo/shit blatantly designed to milk you for cash) and I don't think a 1:1 comparison with yurifriends is fair, especially when it comes to "throwing money at official channels". Fujo money typically goes to fanmerch/doujins/commissions because it is already made with our tastes in mind.
My personal autism is that ship brainrot has always been a natural occurrence. Playing BL games is enjoyable (it's amazing going into media blind and knowing some low chemistry heroine isn't going to cuck your ship) but I never come away from them with lifelong brainrot like I have with some decade-old JRPG only me and 2 other girls talk about.
>>10355>spoilerSame. Cursed with already having been into the series and having to wait at least 2 years for my favorite honse.
No.10357
>>10355Yeah a lot of joseimuke is very lazily made and revolve around yumejo content where all of the boys have to follow a set trope with barely any personality because they're there to just look pretty and not be interesting, and the gameplay (if there is any) is very boring and not rewarding. And everything is paywalled to hell at a rate even worse than a regular gacha game. NuCani became popular because the characters are really fun and have distinct personalities that play off each other - that's also why Enstars IMO got popular, the boys actually get to interact with each other despite the game having barely any gameplay besides a very barebones combat system and a generic rhythm game. In most yumejo driven games the boys have their meaningful interactions with the player because god forbid anyone would see them as GAY. The same fear isn't present in stuff like umamusume because yuri isn't as offensive to the game developers.
No.10358
>>10348Damn, I didn't know people do that with Thancred. I do like cute and pretty boys more than traditionally masculine ones but it's still annoying how the canon itself is most likely the reason why gendies have been latching on to Erenville since 1.He canonically doesn't use his birth name and 2. for some reason there's that nonsensical Viera lore about how all of their sex characteristics aren't apparent until after puberty. A bunch of them probably look at him and decide "Omg he's literally me." I should probably just distance myself from EN artists as much as possible.
No.10359
>>10355I don’t think I’m into any joseimuke series honestly (unless you count hetalia, which to me is just regular fujo not yume)
No.10360
>>10359It's a seinen even though it doesn't feel like it, so no, not joseimuke.
No.10363
>>10361Time to start combing their history for anything you can report them for. Anti and anti-adjacent people tend to say reportable stuff re: pr0shitters so it should be easy.
No.10364
>>10361Honestly, I get that feeling specially if you're in a very dead fandom which unfortunately gets filled up with antis and kids very fast.
What I would say however, is that sadly sometimes you can't coexist as a "proshipper" or as somebody who wants to engage in discussion. You have to choose having maybe a safe-clean account to engage in discussion and never reveal your tastes or behaviors in any way, or completely truly "fuck it all" and post as you want how you want discussion amidst fujosperging and whatnot, whoever likes you will like you and whoever doesn't then doesn't. The latter sounds appealing but it definitely can be more isolating too if no one comes.
No.10365
>>10349>Why do nu-Trigun fans give Vash a vagina? This is probably the third or fourth time I've explained this: Knives penetrates Vash with the intent of impregnation and enters his gaping hole. The imagery is invoked, the implications are implied. People went ham with it and then the boring fucks turned up making it "anatomically correct" human genitals. Most fandoms these days are flooded by boring fucks who want florist AUs and normal vaginas.
>>10355Johren was the worst. You couldn't sign into the website without a face full of tits and ass, and they'd email you further loli pinups and bikini shit all the time. The banners and promos for the titty games got worse over time, so people speculated they were mad that Tourabu was the only game people were playing. More likely it was just dying and desperate to make money from its licenses. It's a mystery why they were entrusted with the English servers, the translations were ridiculous and tried to censor Japanese historical figures at times.
I want to go back to that time they made a documentary about Toumyu fans in France and it felt like maybe we'd actually get attention in the international market.
No.10375
>>10374I checked that thread for the first time ever and it's actually baffling how unabashedly triggered a few schizos get over fujos existing, but the entire thread is a gigantic dumpster fire overall. It's just the yuri personalityfag who can't be named and her discord mommy ban evading and doing machine gun fire with her weapon grade autism and gullible anons feed to it endlessly trying to argue in good faith despite her clearly baiting aggressively. The mods drag their feet redtexting and deleting her posts as usual. Just close the site and let it go nonnie, I've been in a much better headspace since quitting it.
No.10376
>>10374I was there went that happened, such bullshit. I've seen plenty of worse ~sexualized~ images of teenage anime girls there without the redtext. The double standards are real.
No.10377
>>10374>The other board's mods are infamous for being Hitler level dictatorsI got a 6 hour ban for a minor formatting error
No.10378
>>10374I’m convinced one of the mods is either the personalityfag herself or a personal friend of hers that’s in a discord with her. Like I’m appalled they allowed her to derail the shit out of the thread. It’s a fujo vs antifujo thread and should focus on fujo arguments, not random ass hime stuff. Not even the yume argument derails get this far before being nipped in the bud.
No.10379
>>10378She derails a ton of threads, I've seen her do like three at the same time and it's not just the fujo threads but multiple others of varying topics yet somehow she always turns it into shitflinging about fujos and some anons still don't clock her. She genuinely doesn't seem to do much than just tab in and out of threads to bait them, and she always repeats the same three talking points over and over again with absolutely no variation or development and the mods take forever to ban her yet will give fujos the boot in a microsecond.
No.10381
>>10380I’m pretty sure I’ve been able to sus out the identity of a poster on one of the other boards on a fujo related thread. The funny thing is, she’s someone that I *despise* and have posted her multiple times onto the site to mock her. She certainly visits the site but I’m not sure how much of an active user she is.
No.10382
>>10380I haven't figured out anyone else's identity but I KNOW I would be really easily identifiable if any of my friends saw some of my posts kek.
No.10383
>>10379she seems like a massively seething yume/hime that is coping about her male husbandos being shipped by fujos. Nothing new. Basically a no life person that projects her hatred for women unto fujos.
No.10384
>>10382The same goes for me since if I talk about playing a game on here I also mention it on some of the discords I'm on. Though I also feel like none of the people I know from discord even know fujochan exists so I don't think it matters in the long run. One of the servers I'm on is an art discord full of guys who like gay shit but I can't even entice them to play a BL game.
No.10385
>>10380That kind of things makes me paranoid. I have a mutual on social media who I suspect is from my city so I stopped posting about which cons I will attend because I like her but I've had too many bad surprises after meeting online people irl.
I did find that one Pakistani anon from another image board on twitter once, I haven't interacted with her there and won't, I don't want to cause her any issues but with the way she types I doubt she's even trying to hide herself. She's too easy to recognize. No.10386
>>10383She's a Mexican yurifag who used to frequent the /lgbt/ board on 4chan before moving on to Lolcow. Anons in the yuricow thread doxxed her last year and turns out she has a very miserable life with dead parents and an unhealthy hyperfixation on fujos and bisexuals. She's been complaining about fujos pretty much anywhere online like it was her job, specifically seething about lesbian fujos that she considers "bishits in denial", something that she calls literally every other lesbian who isn't knee deep in cooming to anime oneesan x loli hentai and/or are attracted to butches. She's mentally ill and has no other aspirations besides being a racist 4chan edgelord with a porn addiction.
No.10387
>>10386>oneesan x loli hentaiugh really, what a weird dynamic to like to say the least.
No.10388
>>10374That personalityfag is unironically the most insufferable and annoying poster on that site. Sad how everyone keeps taking her bait instead of just ignoring her low-effort trash. She always follows the same pattern
>drop some low quality post>wait for replies>then run to /meta/ to cry about fujos being lesbophobic, misogynistic and pedophilicI hate how the other retards there were agreeing that she did the right thing by bringing up rape to own the fujos posting "cp" and "shota", when in reality she is the one constantly posting explicit fanart of underage girls like picrel. And of course that just gets quietly deleted, instead of the mods slapping a misleading redtext to frame fujos as degens to those who haven't seen the fanart. These morons are unironically MRAs with how they are trying to build the narrative that fujos are ackshually worse than porn addled males, while calling the most harmless sfw fanart of 2d boys "cp".
It is obvious that the personalityfag doesn’t post in the thread to actually discuss anything. She just wants to derail the thread, play victim on /meta/ and angle for fujo discussion to get banned entirely on that board. Wouldn’t even be surprised if she screencaps all this and dumps it in the fujocooomer thread as proof of fujos being misogynistic and lesbophobic kek
No.10390
>>10380I can sometimes discern the identity of two anons on here. One is someone from my fandom who
I feel slightly awkward around, and I can usually tell when they're being vague about the fandom or fandom drama. Pretty sure they know I'm here, too, though. The other anon is someone I used to be in a discord with a few years ago and was friendly with. I can tell it's them because of their merch photos…
No.10391
>>10388Another way to summon her is to complain about the sexualization of underage girls in anime, she suddenly pops up to sperg about how you're an aids ridden faghag pedorapist fujolard and a fake lesbian, and when the person says that they're actually straight and not a fujo and nobody mentioned shotas, she still keeps trashing around ad nauseam because some oblivious soul always tries to sincerely argue with her without realizing that it's the personalityfag trying to stir shit again. Often she gets her friend to join in and when everyone finally starts ignoring them they spam replies endlessly to each other and post purposefully inflammatory bait. It's the same song and dance every time and she's been at it for like two years by now. I took a long break from lolcow and when I returned I saw multiple fucking threads being baited by her. She literally has no life outside of shitting up an imageboard and every time you call her out you get banned for "encouraging personalityfagging" but how do other anons not aware of her learn not to feed into the discourse if you don't tell them?
No.10395
>>10380There's a person from a certain discord server that's always very easily identifiable kek
No.10396
>>10374She lurked here and immediately posted this on lc in both meta and the fujo vs. thread lmao.
No.10397
>>10395I wonder if it's the same person I'm thinking of. I think anons should be more careful not to basically dox themselves
No.10398
>>10396What pisses me off is that there are always some idiots replying to her in good faith. Is it that difficult to not give her (you)s
No.10399
>>10388Wouldn’t even be surprised if she screencaps all this and dumps it in the fujocooomer thread as proof of fujos being misogynistic and lesbophobic kekKek speak of the devil
No.10400
>>10397Possibly, I've seen people talk about her before on here and on LC. Though I can think of multiple people my description applies to. Her personal social media accounts are extremely easy to find and she either doesn't care or is too dumb to realize.
Don't crosspost shit from discord/socmed and don't use the same username everywhere if you care about staying anonymous nonnies.
No.10401
>>10396>Claim to hate fujos>Spend your entire awake hours sperging about fujos in multiple threads and websites>Hatelurk an entire fujo-specific imageboard like a hawk>Give enough of a shit to screencap posts from there to stir more shit in your hugbox>Make every single conversation about fujos in every thread across the entire website even when nobody else brought them up>But she totally despises fujos and wants them goneThe lady doth protest too much, after all she has a history of posting fantasies of corrective raping fujoshis. Did a fujo ex cheat on her or something?
No.10406
Honestly I wouldn't be mad if fujo posting got banned from LC completely because then that would finally give an incentive to post here (most anons say they prefer posting on LC because "FC" is too slow + long post timer) and the himesperge will lose all meaning in her life when she finally beats "the fujo menace" but no longer has anyone to infight ad nauseum to because the topic is banned. Maybe she'd go into a spiel about how total hime victory!! take that fujolards!! instead of actually contributing to her fucking threads.
Though I'm against it ever happening because if fujos have to go for supposed "pedophilia" (aka posting fucking bishies), yumes have to go too because non-walled husbandos are too young and shota-baity and then it'll eventually slope downwards to total weeb death which kills the very thing that started LC in the first place.
No.10407
>>10406She would just move to yume, she has in the past with the "women are male centered and hate female characters" rant.
No.10408
>>10406Honestly, maybe LC does need to be decentralized. More image boards for women would be nice.
No.10410
>>10409I can join and report back if you got the invite link
No.10412
>>10410Thank you for braving the hellscape
https://disboard.org/server/1389322155396694106 also I know you're probably already planning on doing so, but make sure to use a sock puppet account to preserve your anonymity No.10413
>>10412The invite doesn't work for me, probably expired. Someone else can try though.
No.10414
>>10412I'd join to see if they're actual yurifags worth their salt but I'd rather not have my poor ospecs bite me in the ass when something leaks. I don't even want to join to troll, I'm just interested in the prospect of passionate women actually into yuri. I noticed the sperge sometimes posts in the LC yurithreads only to disappear. maybe she got banned for bait from another thread or shes uninterested in conversation that isn't endless shitflinging.
I'm just a jaded weeb who's sick of infighting in normie socmed fandom spaces, and even more sick of infighting in one of the only female centric spaces on the internet. cant we just get along, sing kumbayah, and post our niponslop in peace together? good riddance
No.10416
>>10401she clearly has mommy issues, huge rooted mommy issues.
No.10417
>>10414>>10415I'm sure she was in the LC FF thread you can prob ask for an invite
No.10419
>>10331are they still lurking in the thread as we speak?
No.10421
>>10407Yeah this, she would just start sperging about yumes and bisexuals because she lives off attention and agitation. Most of the time her schizo fits are activated are due to non-fujo related issues, she just turns it into a fujo issue as she goes on. You can't reason or bargain with someone who's this psychologically damaged.
>>10409She does this all the time, for example in the lesbian thread which she has terrorized into a desolate graveyard she starts posting as a "fujo character" making it very obvious it's her baiting.
>>10414She uses a VPN and ban evades during her spergouts so it's not like she loses her posting privileges, she just simply isn't interested in anything else than being spiteful against those she feels have wronged her. Sometimes she starts dropping yuri recs amidst her tantrums just to win an argument and when people tell her that it's just another round of underage moidgaze schoolgirls or a housewife's lesbian fantasy she gets even angrier.
No.10422
I've seen this yurianon many times before as another farmer. She should touch grass and have a creative outlet for yuri instead of constantly baiting.
>mfw she will never come to my house to rape me>>10406>"FC" is too slow + long post timerThis isn't even true compared to other forums and smallchans, FC updates every day. I would want FC to grow for sure but I like the board culture we have. Anonymous BL discussion without Twitter drama or antishipping.
I would love more users here too for the porn recs kek No.10424
MyReadingManga has been dogshit for a long time anyways, but I've gotten used to being flashbanged by all sorts of really hideous and gross moid porn on the front page
But now there's just straight-up het being posted there? If the focus is on a man and his dick then that constitutes as being gay enough for a "yaoi" site? As long as the woman is reduced to being enough of a sex object, I guess!
I hate this, I think I'll finally quit checking that hellhole for the diminishing amount of actual BL and just work on reading through my backlog, which I should've done forever ago
No.10425
>>10424Het has always been there. I remember a Dorohedoro doujin with Noi that passed…simply because she’s a muscular woman? The site has slowly become more and more unusable over the last few years. First they wiped out the comments section and now that they’ve gotten rid of the categories, the site has gotten less usable.
No.10427
>>10424>>10425Do nonnas use any other sites? I still stick to MRM because mangago is even worse to me.
No.10428
>>10374I have tried lurking over the threads because I do enjoy drama and honestly can't tell what is even being discussed in them half of the time.
Lots of people who don't even interact with anime/manga or anything japanese culture related whatsoever wanting to act like experts about something they never experienced in the first place (but this is simply most otaku subculture discussions nowadays).
But the few infights about why women like seeing men taking it on the butt generated so much psychoanalytical nonsense It's insane, the real divide in fandom is truly self inserters vs voyeurs.
No.10429
>>10427mangago and bato are what i usually go to, but they lack a lot of the doujin that mrm has collected over the years.
if they continues to shit the bed, i'm sure another copycat site will show up sooner or later.
No.10430
>>10428>Lots of people who don't even interact with anime/manga or anything japanese culture related whatsoever wanting to act like experts about something they never experienced in the first placeI don't know why they are desperate to insert their own opinions into the debate either. There have been multiple times anons will admit they don't even watch anime/manga or are unfamiliar with a very famous IP. They also love to call every anime character a loli or shota every chance they get.
>the real divide in fandom is truly self inserters vs voyeurs.The whole debate is so dumb to me, it's like people who eat chocolate ice cream going on a crusade against people who eat vanilla.
No.10431
>>10429nta I like bato because you can customize it to not show anything on the front page but for doujin specifically mrm and even hentai sites are still better (there’s lot of dj I found that weren’t uploaded in mrm) it’s always best to use a variety of different sites
No.10432
>>10431The worst thing about batoto is that the mod team is filled with minors. They removed one room ta (a manhwa) because the characters “looked underage” and while they ended up revoking that ban, they recently banned jujucat who was an uploader that uploaded a lot of smutty bl manhwa. I can only hope uploaders move to comickio because I need more bl on that site.
No.10433
>>10432i've seen people crusade against jujucat and the person who helps them upload when they're busy on mgg because the latter used shigaraki/deku art on their credits page and deku is a minor~~~
i dont know why kids can't take their free yaoi and shut up
No.10435
>>10433>shigaraki/dekuBased jujucat assistant. But seriously, I never complained about problematic free pirated yaoi because I knew I couldn’t pay for it anyway when I was a kid. I don’t understand the need to complain about it in spaces that are arguably not meant for children anyway.
No.10438
>>10437
I would post about them in the shonen jump general personally. I'd like more general discussion too, but I don't think there is a lot of fandom overlap which stifles more specific conversation and it's why the general threads and more broader fandom discussion threads are the most active.
We also have "What are you watching, reading, and playing?" Theads so there is always at least somewhere to post whatever you're into at the moment.
No.10467
I hate hoyoslop so much. I want that company to go away. I want them to stop using female players and their fanarts as free ads while they pander to incels. I'm tired of people acting like their goonerbait is feminism. I'm also petty and wish that the fujos who could write and draw would leave for something else because their characters and ships are so boring and just watered down version of existing cooler characters and tropes, only with wider appeal since it's a free to play game and has wider appeal. Hoyo fans annoy me because they're so incurious about other media and they act very smug about how important their games are. But the more I learn about the company, the more I hate them. I wish something would prompt a fujo Exodus because I can't stand fujos being the scapegoat of everyone -incels, yuritroons, yumes- and just taking it while praising the company that does nothing but give meager crumbs but throws them under the bus for incels.
No.10468
>>10467very much a skill issue
fujos have always worked with 'crumbs' because it isn't about every company pandering to a niche of a niche. Engage with actual fujo companies if you want pandering. Don't expect the titty game for chinese men to pander to you.
No.10469
>>10467I really wanted to get into hoyoslop for the Fujo community, but the games are literally just watered down jrpgs. Everything about them is watered down like you said. The only thing I can commend them on is there being no truly ugly guys like some jrpgs have.
No.10470
>>10467>existing cooler characters and tropesList them.
No.10471
I think I'm starting to hate yumes.
No.10472
i feel increasingly depressed over the current state of my small fandom. i don't fit in anywhere, idling somewhere in the middle, between two groups of people, close with neither
No.10473
>>10406> the himesperge will lose all meaning in her life when she finally beats "the fujo menace" but no longer has anyone to infight ad nauseum to because the topic is bannedI am waiting for the day she starts attacking yumes because that is exactly what will happen if yaoi gets banned.
>>10408I wish there were more female-centered imageboards, and I wish the users on LC weren't so hellbent on being miserable. I am not even talking about fujo stuff. I seldom discuss those topics on LC because it's just not fun. I mean even my other interests. People are just so aggressive, and it's rare for something to make me laugh anymore.
No.10474
>>10471Tell us what happened nonna
No.10475
>>10467Yeah I'm tired of seeing that shit everywhere. While the pokemon patent trolling that's been going on is morally questionable, part of me hopes they'll try to bully that upcoming hoyo creature collector game too instead of just Palworld because I'd find it funny.
No.10476
>>10474I started to notice them being annoying and spiteful towards fujos more often, used to not care but something snapped recently.
It's nothing serious honestly, just needed to get it out of my system.
No.10477
>>10476I've been a chronically online fujo ever since I was 13 (I'm nearing 30 now) and I've only learned about yumes this year. Now that I have, though, it feels like they are everywhere, and all they do is shit on fujos. This world is a matrix
No.10478
>>10477Same, been a fujo for 15+ years never heard the term "yume" till I started using this site (and honestly don't see it anywhere else), still can't tell if it's different from husbandofagging.
I'm just going to keep shipping and ignore whatever gay autistic screeching is going on with them.
No.10479
>>10478Do you not use twitter?
No.10480
>>10478They are half husbandofags half attention whores
No.10482
>>10479No I've never really "got" twitter, I'm not famous enough to where people would care what I say and I think the character limit seems annoying and makes meaningful discussions impossible. It's also aggressively unpleasant without an account and I'm not giving them my phone number to browse so I don't mind waiting a bit for the artists I care about to post there LOGs on Pixiv.
>>10480But is there like a meaningful difference outside of level of annoyance?
No.10483
>>10482ayrt, not really
they're big consoomers and infight 24/7 over their husbandos
No.10485
>>10406Why is LC so antifujo anyway? At first it was good to vent about moids but now it's the same antifujo posting as the rest of the internet.
No.10488
>>10477>>10478How come you've never encountered a yume? They're more blatant nowadays than before. Granted, more often than not they don't use the term "yume" to refer to themselves. It's just husbandofagging but oftentimes yumes make OCs of themselves to ship with their husbando, it's been since even DA era with cringey waifufags. If you've seen a waifufag, you've seen a yume.
>>10485Because a lot of LC does suscribe to that """feminist""" thinking that fujos are "placing men first" and will eventually "troon out" and just like how 4chan is obsessed with trannies (and yurifags being trannies), LC just mirrors that obsession with fujos thinking they're as bad as coomer men or trannies.
No.10490
>>10488>How come you've never encountered a yume? They're more blatant nowadays than before.NTA but I have a similar experience. My fujo life is largely browsing the ship tags relevant to me on Ao3/tumblr/twitter/pixiv and only speaking with other girls who ship my ships. I've known about "yumes" in the form of Snapewives from back in the day, but as far as the infestation problem I'm seeing described here I simply don't encounter it. I think it's because I ONLY browse through ship tags and immediately block anybody who is posting shade there. I will admit I saw way more "Mary Sue"/female OC stuff before I had tags and filters, but even then it wasn't that big of a problem.
No.10491
>>10485Pretty sure it's because during Kiwifarm's long downtime a few years back that drove all the moids and moidbrained pickmes to settle in Lolcow. The aggressive antifujo rhetoric (along with open homophobia, racebaiting and not always so subtle misogyny) started to gain traction hardcore from then, before that it was mostly Paki-chan schizoposting and ban evading. The recent rise of yumetwt and their mentally ill members who hate fujos because they ship their husbando with a male character most likely played a part too.
No.10496
>>10488I'm not that person but I've only seen self-identified yumes the one time I looked at a yumetwt blog to stare at the circus. Though now that you mention it I guess it also counts if someone is into Female gacha MC x male character or is a Love and deepspace player and I do know some people who are like that.
No.10497
>>10482Husbandofags pull each other's hair and spread rumors if they think someone has changed or abandoned a character at some point in their life. Yumes collect multiple characters to claim ownership over and change whenever they switch fandoms. Yumes are also allowed to have real life partners and post jokes about "my bf is looking at me funny for drooling at (anime boy)".
Honestly most of what I've seen has been my own fault. Either I've entered a discord server with under 18s or I opened a dumb tweet about anti/proship discourse and the algorithm automatically suggests yume drama underneath. It does feel like another universe from what I do in fujo fandom, and I have a tendency to gawk. It's fascinating to me how different kids' experiences are these days.
No.10504
>>10488I've seen a lot of character/reader fanfiction on tumblr, but I never took it seriosly, nor did I think of people who consumed it as a distinct subculture. I now notice self-proclaimed "self-shippers" and "yumeshippers" in my current fandom, though, the most popular ship generates so much discourse that some insufferable people choose to ship mc with themselves rather than with the only character he has a profound relationship with
No.10505
>>10504It's because they ship themselves with the character that the popular ship gets mountains of discourse, anon. Don't let the moralfagging excuse fool you into thinking otherwise
No.10531
>>10468It's not bad to work with crumbs, what's bad is that they think the company is queer and deny that it's a company that panders to incels and fucks them over.
>>10469Watered down characters too. They take popular tropes but rely on fandom to build up on them, but they're also a terrible company because they fuel fanwars too. Even Hoyo fujos are toxic because of how much they infight as if Hoyo doesn't use them as fodder. It's not worth it for a game where the devs like to use them to fight incels, yumes and himes.
>>10488I also blame the rise of Hoyoslop for this new gen of even more schizo yumes. Most of the worst ones yume at least one Hoyo husbando and they're at the forefront of most anti fujoshi posts.
No.10551
I've been working on a fangame (for a fujo leaning franchise so this counts as a fujo vent). For this one, I'm working with another person which is still somewhat new to me.
The other person I'm working with is someone who I helped with their game previously, so I thought they'd give this game their all since I did the same for them.
Gave them something to work on, but it came back all wrong and then they blamed it on me. But I gave them clear instructions, there's literally piles of documentation of how things should be and how to work on them.
And this keeps happening everytime. I ask for ABC, I get XYZ and told "actually you said to do 123, I didn't do anything wrong" and clean up after their mistakes anyway.
I wanna give them the benefit of doubt but I highkey feel like they're sabotaging me especially given their behavior outside of game development.
Is this common in other spheres of fanworks like fanfics? I'm not sure if what I'm going through is the norm when it comes to doujin works. Are there people having meltdowns on Twitter about their shitty circle members in Japanese? Can I scream with them?
No.10553
>>10551>Is this common in other spheres of fanworks like fanfics?I've definitely heard anecdotes of shitty fanfic beta behaviour, but I think this is just stuff common to any kind of collaborative project, with game dev being one of the most prone to disaster. Any indie dev team project runs the risk of being hamstrung by one team member's incompetence and the project ends up imploding with drama or key members just simply ghosting/disappearing. That's why solo dev gives you the most control over your project, but with the downside of having to do everything yourself.
No.10561
There is nothing more cringe to me than straight ships obsessed fangirls who are like
>I hate all men! men are bad yadda yadda
and then they spend their living days on twitter about a straight anime ship with an ao3 fanfic level of writing.
Like hey, you are watching a romcom while gloating about how your main girl self insert is more loved by the main male character than the other girls lmao
It's clearly compesanting for a missing romantic life, and not only that but the romance they dream of it's most shallow, juvenile thing.
Anime guys and their waifu wars are less cringe unironically.
No.10562
>>10561The fact that yumejoshis who are into LADs are on twitter calling fujos "male centered" made me realize how self-centered this activism is. It's not truly about hating men. It's about them hating other women for not making enough personal jerkoff material for them.
No.10563
>>10562yeah, and the "male centrism" is projection imo, since they treat the male characters attention for a girl character as if it’s the ultimate proof she’s a great.
While fujos just enjoy shipping guys and celebrating their camaraderie.
No.10565
>>10562> It's about them hating other women for not making enough personal jerkoff material for them.I don't even think it's that deep. It's the same as waifu guys having conniption fits when someone else likes their waifu, except in ymue vs fujo, it's got an added level of NOTP and some degree of homophobia.
Reposting because I realized I misread this; its about fujo artists not drawing hetslop opps! Keeping my original response because I still think it's true.
They just get really pissy when someone ships *their* husbando with someone else, and *gasp* worse: another man. I would bet that every antifujo has an origin story of seeing someone ship their favourite guy with another guy, instead of the female character that they self-insert onto.
No.10568
>>10562>"male centered"This argument is so tiresome because I know the people making it don't believe it themselves. I've had a post about this saved for the vent thread for a while, but I've been too scared to make it. It's so disingenuous, though, and I'm surprised more people don't recognize it for what it is. They wouldn't like it any more if Stacy got with their husbando than if he were shipped with another male.
>>10563>fujos just enjoy shipping guys and celebrating their camaraderieOr we like seeing them torture each other in some cases kek.
No.10573
>>10347This is a way lesser complaint but I noticed lately that people will draw him or mod him ingame to have dreadlocks and I cringe whenever I see that cause it just looks ugly to me. Not to mention that his canon hair looks nothing like it so the deal is that they think this dark-skinned fantasy videogame rabbit man isn't IRL black enough for them???
No.10584
I can't fucking stand tiktok. I don't understand how people use it. Normies everywhere, generation alpha everywhere, 5 seconds long slop edits with the ugliest filter in existence applied to them have 100k likes, comments are always filled with retards, this shit is genuinely unusable yet it seems that everyone uses it anyway to promote their art or their fic or whatever. Xitter is bad, tumblr is dead, I just wish there was some normal fujo friendly social media for us all to share our art and writing in peace
No.10586
The more I see of gacha the more I hate the direction it's gone. It's either waifubait games that pretend to be mixed but have one guy a year, or if it's for women it has to be an otome because of LADs. Seeing how LADs fans have gotten BL to be banned as fanwork, I don't want otome being the only options for cute guys. I hate how it's only Hoyo as the mainstream one for fujos and they don't even pander that much compared to how much they pander to the self-inserters. I'm sick of self-insert now. Anti fujos were always around but I think they got louder due to LADs and the existence of "yumetwt" encouraging people to be mentally ill about their husbando being shipped.
No.10587
>>10586>or if it's for women it has to be an otome because of LADsSpeaking of which, I remember the first Utapri gacha rhythm game that's now discontinued, I expected it to be all about the guys or to have Haruka as the self insert character just like un the OG otome game and anime. But Haruka just doesn't exist for some reason and the guys just talk to (you) which made Camus boring as hell. I assume the new gacha game that replaces it is the same but it's not available outside of Japan. I don't get the appeal of this at all, so you won't see me touch LADS with a ten foot pole.
No.10588
>>10586My hoyoslop fed me well recently but I hate the fact that they can't separate pandering to self-inserters and shippers. Give fujos their homo slop and give yumes some husbandos, how hard can it be? Instead of that yumebait and homobait are concentrated in the same few characters with fujos and yumes fighting among each other on who got pandered to more.
Hoyo yumebait is weak as fuck anyway, the yumes are so starved that any perceived positive interaction with a male character is immediately interpreted at that character being into you, which then makes them shit on fujos for "losing".
No.10589
>>10562>It's not truly about hating men. It's about them hating other women for not making enough personal jerkoff material for them.Always has been. The "male-centered" accusation has been a doublespeak from the start, if there isn't a female character to coom to (yurifags) or to self-insert into (yumetards) it's "male centered" as if women drawing fictional men being involved with each other in a genre focusing on the romance between them was somehow adding into patriarchy's power simply because it happens between two male characters. They never argue in good faith so there's no point in proving them wrong, but if you want to humor them then they should be reminded that the disproportionate power dynamic between genders in media comes from the atrociously narrow role female characters are given rather than male characters having agency.
No.10590
>>10588>I hate the fact that they can't separate pandering to self-inserters and shippersI mean even if the game is already BL or otome genre to begin with, yumes gonna yume and fujos gonna fujo, which we have already seen with the fact that BLVN mcs get yumes and LADS characters get fujoshipping kek.
The root of the problem is always going to be that gachas want to make as much money as possible so always have to pander to the most insane percentage of whales to stay in their good books. Even the Pokemon gacha does yumepandering but they have to mask it as friendship even when it's obvious what they're trying to do (and it's jarring as fuck)
No.10592
>>10588>which then makes them shit on fujos for "losing".This kind of behavior is insane to me. Like, it's a ship. It's fanfiction. I know it's not canon and never will be, and in most cases, don't want it to be. Why on earth would I be upset when my noncanon ship remains noncanon?
No.10601
>>10588Hoyo still yumebaits enough for them to be annoying at fujos. The fact is all these companies will make otome games because of LADs, which means the only option if you want to see cute guys is otome where they can ban BL or harass them out. Just make some fujobait in a game with a story, how hard is that? It's not a surprise fujos are starving for plot, that's why danmei took off. Yumes have so many options but fujos have nothing but Hoyo crumbs, which are still weak because the game doesn't want to give guys that much screentime and they still pander to yumes. This is why I hate how these gacha have replaced visual novels/jrpgs, but also jrpgs are to blame for also abandoning the fujo audience that made their franchises big.
>>10590LADs doesn't let the guys interact and has gotten BL fanart banned so most fujos don't bother. Another reason why the future being only otome and waifu is bleak for us. Yumes can be just as bad as incels when it comes to gatekeeping shipping.
>>10592That's just how everyone is now. Most of them don't understand the point of creativity, their main activity online is stanning. Which means talking about how they win, and how fujos always lose since most ships will never be canon because of how many properties can't confirm due to money.
No.10602
>>10588>My hoyoslop fed me well recentlyI really have to ask what are you talking about? Flins is the only male character introduced in a year, and isn't he just blatant yume/husbandopandering? AFAIK He's not given much personality or story relevance rather than being the cool gothic gentleman boyfriend, just the archetypal boring otome husbando that selfshippers go crazy for. I'm not trying to pick a fight because I genuinely want to know what you're talking about so I know if I should redownload the game or not.
No.10603
>>10602Last hsr patch gave confirmation for some old schizo theories fans had about one of the game's most popular homo pairings (renheng). It's obviously hidden in side content and won't mean much to anyone who is not heavily invested but as a someone who's been there since the beginning it feels almost surreal they did that.
I dropped genshin a few months ago and feel no desire to come back.
No.10604
>>10601>LADs doesn't let the guys interact and has gotten BL fanart banned so most fujos don't botherBut some still did bother clearly, same with how canon gay or heavily bl-baited characters can still get the occasional yume. The point was that it's probably impossible to create a gacha where you can eliminate either fujos or yumes entirely, and gachas make more money by not committing to either so they have more reason to do it, although I haven't heard about there being any yumes in the Nu Carnival fandom kek
No.10605
>>10603"Hints" but it still also yumebaited DH and there's enough for it not to be considered "canon". I think it's whatever since Hoyo baits everyone and they won't confirm anything either way because shipwars are another form of engagement to them, which is why the fandom obsession with coded messages and what ship is actually canon needs to stop. This company does not give a damn.
>>10604Yumes can show up for anything but there's a big difference between otome, self insert mcs and games that don't have any character for yumes to use. But LADs and all these new CN otome games will eliminate fujos because otome players will demand it. There's no such thing for fujos when it's a game that panders to both. You have gacha games like Enstars and Twisted Wonderland that have people shipping the guys but those games also have a self-insert mc which means the yumes are going to be loud. Nu Carnival is still one game but it's a pity there can't be any other games that pander to fujos with a story, outside of Hoyoslop where female players in general are all second class citizens compared to the male audience. It's just yumes will have more options when every game for women will be an otome, but fujos have nowhere to go.
No.10606
>>10605>hoyo baits everyone and they won't confirm anything either waySure, and I'm not expecting it. Still feels good when your side material reading and analysis is rewarded for once, same as with any other theory.
I don't mind DH yumebait tbh, especially now that he is confirmed obsessed with safety of all his friends to an unhealthy degree in both lifetimes.
No.10607
>>10605Outside of hoyo and LADS there are other CN games with fujobait but they aren't big earners so they don't receive much (western) attention and fanworks. Onmyoji is still shilling their flagship homos periodically, Identity V m/m ships are regular in lofter/xhs top ranking ships. Where Wind Meets has some lowkey fujobait and fujo community, Sultan's Game has highkey fujo fights every other month. And even low earners that nobody checks for like Afk journey was baiting a captain x prince ship last season. It's not a complete barren wasteland for fujos at the moment, and it may get increasingly worse with the bl restrictions in China, but for now there's still some food out there. Ymmv of course.
No.10608
>>10605It is very funny, and dare I say based, to aggressively ship LADS guys regardless of any canon interaction or lack thereof. I'm only peripherally aware of LADS but I've now decided that the merman guy the crow guy are having raunchy gay sex every night and the yumes can just deal with it.
No.10615
>>10607Why ship from Onmyoji the game when you can easily ship Seimei and Hiromasa from the Yumemakura Baku novels they based the game lore on? Oh right,
nobody's licensed them or their numerous adaptations in English. This sort of thing pisses me off to no end. There's good shipping fuel right there, "just bros" drinking late into many nights, bickering and teasing, dying for each other and grieving one another etc, it's been there for decades, and only a cluster of Russian and French fujos give a shit because some publishers decided this acclaimed and influential novel series was worth translating. UK publishers are totally useless, Americans decide it's got too many jelly donuts or something for audiences to understand. Meanwhile we get every chuuni and shippy anime/manga under the sun that used Onmyouji as inspiration, not knowing that their reference material wasn't the legit legends but someone else's popular retelling.
>>10608From what a LADS fan has told me, the big ship is between a prince and the black dragon that he defeated in battle with a magic sword and imprisoned, leaving him a shadow of his former glory. I don't know who the merman guy and the crow guy refer to, but the dragon seems to appear with black feathers and looks like a bitter edgelord to me. The prince is the average nice guy, innocent young man who likes food, and the only way I tell him apart from the others is that he's always the one people coo over and call baby boy.
No.10617
>>10607Ash Echoes looks like it might have some too? There are some very cool and pretty guys in all the games you mention, they just get no attention in the West because they're not from big companies or people complain that the games feel "dated". The problem is majority of fujos won't move onto these games, they stick with what's popular. Onmyouji has always just been niche in the West. I don't know if people only want to play open world or what. Netease should have went ahead with Onmyouji open world instead of that other haremslop Ananta.
But I also think no matter what people won't leave their comfort zones because the big fandom already exists and they have no incentive to get into less popular fandoms, which is also why it's so hard to get people to branch out or look at other ships if they already won't like the gameplay of these other gachas.
No.10624
>>10607>Sultan's Game has highkey fujo fights every other month. I've been so absorbed with this game. What are the Sultan fujos fighting about? Is it against Maggiefags? Because I get it. I hate how the game can't make up its mind if you like your wife or not (I don't)
No.10625
>>10624I'm not closely following the CN community so I could be wrong, but whenever I see discussion it's some ship drama with Arzu/Nawfal and Arzu/Sultan shippers fighting and spamming reports to get the other side banned. It's juvenile and tiresome, but I'd take this infighting drama any day over "this game is misogynistic because you have to be unfaithful to your wife and MC/the sultan/figures of power are not female"
No.10627
>>10625To be really fair, Nawfal has a lot going for him with Arzu in canon should you decide not to rape/kill him, and even then the adversary scenario has a ton of potential. That guy is so wonderfully sweet, you can't help but to fall for him should you take the time not to dick him without consent.
The Sultan is just torture-porn bait, and a majority of the CN fics I read of said ship are all that. No love, just pure unhinged rape and torture. Which is fine because sometimes I crave it, but it's so samey it gets boring. I know if you go the Pure Order route you can unlock that one exile ending with him, but IIRC he's just literally a retarded husk at that point. There isn't much going for the Sultan as fucking sexy as he is. Every time Arzu has the opportunity to actually have sex with him in any capacity, it's always a bad time, except when you get to revenge rape him, but I don't count that.
>fighting and spamming reports to get the other side banned.That is so Chinese it hurts lmao
>I'd take this infighting drama any day over "this game is misogynistic because you have to be unfaithful to your wife and MC/the sultan/figures of power are not female"Same. I'm sure there are some Sultan yumes pissing and crying over Maggie (Faraj as a character does things way better and efficiently than Maggie in general), but I ignore them because Maggie sucks. I'm 1000% okay with her cucking Arzu with Habib or Adila.
No.10697
Gotta love how some artists draw fanart of their NOTPs (clearly) and then say in all caps, “Attention! NOT a ship edit! NOT a ship edit!” Like don’t draw fanart of two characters and obvi attract people who like them together, and then act like you own people's perspective for seeing it in a romantic way. Don’t draw it at all if you can't take shippers. The fanart I’m talking about even has one character clearly in love with the other, so it's even more "implied". I guess the artist felt the need to draw that because the character in question has more popularity than their ship.
No.10700
>>10697I disagree with this because there are often times where I like a dynamic more if it's platonic/non-ship or "combi" art (just duo) but for some people, seeing two characters together even if they're not doing anything romantic and simply standing in the same frame is considered ship so that can be annoying if you don't like a ship involving (characters) but still like them by their own
No.10703
>>10700You find it annoying because you like the platonic dynamic, exactly, but at the same time there are people that maybe see it as romantic or shippy and complaining about that seems like just wanting to control people's interpretation which imo is a lost cause? For example if I see sebastian and ciel fanart from someone that doesn't ship them in that way, you can't really stop shippers from seeing it as a ship fanart, unless maybe they are just standing there looking at nothing without interacting at all for example.
No.10704
>>10700I understand this problem, but then there are those who are out there drawing brothers in very romantic looking poses while claiming it's totally platonic and you're a freak for thinking it's ship art. Unfortunately there's no way to not draw two characters together in a way that shippers of those characters won't enjoy, unless it's a negative interaction, but even then…
I definitely will get excited by my OTP just standing next to each other if I really ship it that hard.
No.10706
>>10705Same. I'm in an obscure fandom and ship an obscure pairing in that. I seldom come across another person who ships what I ship, so the blow when I realize they think one half of the relationship has a vagina is all the worse.
Frankly I never really understand it, esp for rpf and characters that either have children, or that we've seen shirtless, etc. There's verifiable proof that they aren't trans. Why persist?
yes yes inb4 someone says that there's verifiable proof that a character isn't attracted to men, but is still shipped with one. Counter: one, bisexuality, two, there isn't a physical difference between a man attracted to men and one who isn't, but there is a very blatant difference between a man and a woman who wants to be one. No.10707
>>10706ayrt, i feel you nonita. i also have another rarepair that constantly gets tif headcanons for the uke
which is honestly a disservice to his entire character.
>There's verifiable proof that they aren't trans. Why persist?I genuinely can't figure it out. I'd assume for the ones who headcanon them as ftm its just plain 'ol projection and that odd psychosexual desire tifs have to be their crushes. With the tim headcanons though, I really don't get…its like the zoomer meme of calling a male character "wife" but carrying over to real guys and doing it to the point that they're referring to them almost exclusively as she.
I didn't want to specify my fandom before (out of embarrassment) but its so rampant in the current bandom space that I feel like my brain is leaking out of my ear every time i look at a funny post then the caption or tags are "Shes so cute" No.10709
I have totally lost all desire to write fanfiction and that's the only thing that fills me with pride. It's been like a year. Dunno why my brain is dead.
No.10710
>>10709Easy solution: open ao3, take a stroll through the first page of your fandom's tag, see the garbage there, and acquire instant motivation.
Alternatively, get into a rarepair with zero or almost zero fic.
No.10711
>>10709If your fandom has a kink meme (even a very dead one), I've found that the low stakes of anonymous publishing+limiting your word count can be very helpful in getting over that block. Unfortunately, the only cure for 'no write sad disease' is to write, which is hard when you've got NWSD.
>>10710Correct. Let spite motivate you.
No.10712
I wrote some weird-but-not-too-weird smut in a loyal fandom as a newb writer a couple days ago. I was proud of it but I've only gotten around 50-80 hits and one kudos so far. Maybe I really suck at writing, but the only way to improve is to write more so oh well. I'm still proud of my tastes tho. Maybe everyone else is wrong? kek
>>10709Write some smut for whatever fetish you have. Or write some fluff.
No.10713
>>10712>I was proud of it but I've only gotten around 50-80 hits and one kudos so far.It could be the time of year. I always see spikes in readership and feedback during the holiday breaks for school. The fujos are busy getting their degrees and have no time to read yaoi during the school year.
No.10725
I hate when my OTP’s BNFs write or draw them OOC, especially when I see it get worse and worse over time. Go back and refresh your memory of the source material, you assclowns
No.10726
>>10725This seems to be one of those inevitable laws of the universe sadly, along with fanfic devolving into more and more AUs over time.
No.10728
>>10726Fujo entropy, ya hate to see it. Especially since fujos are the ones who can write with the most sovl.
No.10729
I feel bad for fujos stuck with Hoyoverse because every day now I see a tweet with tons of likes and retweets talking about how male centered fujos are and how wrong they are for paying more attention to the one five star man a year they get over big titty waifu #105.
No.10730
>>10728My opinion is that there's a perfect ship or fandom out there for every fujo, and those who end up turning a ship into something wildly OOC may just need to find a ship that actually has those personalities, or a fandom that fits their tone, if, for example, they're in a comedy fandom writing melodramatic drama.
At least that was the case with me in a past fandom as a teen fujo. I couldn't write serious drama to save my life when what I was really suited to was more lighthearted comedy canons.
Or alternatively, they can just make original BL with OCs instead of turning canon characters into OCs. (Yes, I know people write ATG in fandoms for the engagement they get)
No.10732
>>10730I don't think people set out to be OOC. It's more that outside of retreading canon everyone knows, most people are in fandom to write something new. After they've exhausted the canon scenarios, they'll go AU just to have something novel to write. I think they do genuinely like the ship and just want to explore everything with them and challenge themselves to making it work. It's not always good, but I don't think it's a matter of them needing to switch. People have always been attracted to writing the opposite tone of a canon in fics too, like people who like to write dystopia aus for very lighthearted cartoons, and people who want to write a happy ending fixit for very bleak, oppressive canons.
Fanon decay also just happens over time because it's just normal for people to misremember something, especially if its older. Harry Potter fandom is completely divorced from most of the canon since most people just vaguely remember parts of the books or movies they saw as kids and the canon's been over for about twenty years now.
No.10733
I've considered myself a fujo for years, but lately I really find myself not agreeing with the general views that most of the community seems to have. The biggest ones would be the fixation on certain top/bottom dynamics as well as how people hyperfocus on the uke. I get having preferences, and I also understand wanting to see a specific blorbo of yours get railed, but what happened to actually liking both characters in a ship? Seeing a seme as more than an stoic dildo and actually allowing him to have a personality (and god forbid, letting him show weaknesses/act in a way that
doesn't fit a seme)? And why do so many fujos assign top/bottom roles based on tropes and not the actual character dynamics in the first place?
I'm not trying to hate on fujos that want to see their favourite character bottom, but more so the fact that it seems to be the *only* thing they care about within their m/m ship. It's fine if the seme gets mischaracterized to hell and back, as long as they get to see the uke with a dick up his ass. I wish people who only care about this would simply draw mob x character art (which we need more of anyway, imo), instead of saying they like a ship where they only care about one half of it.
>>10729I don't feel bad for them anymore, they do it to themselves and they're the reason why companies think it's enough if they just give fujos crumbs every 10 waifus (and sadly, they'd be right). I wish they'd spend that time and energy on media that actually cares for them and doesn't treat them like shit, so we could actually hope to get some quality games or anime adaptions with proper fujo pandering.
No.10737
>>10733>but what happened to actually liking both characters in a ship?I feel so validated right now. I swear it was not like this in the past. Back in my time, you wrote essays on why a certain pair made more sense than the rival ship and bolstered both characters to prove your point. People actually liked both characters in the ship, which is the entire point? You wanted your fave/blorbo to get with the person you felt was best because you liked them too. Now people are begrudgingly shipping blorbo with Seme only because they need a substitute dick while secretly hating Seme.
I know people in KR webtoon fandoms who have memed themselves into shipping a popular ship only because it was the canon one despite loathing the top. Like what? Don't be retarded. Why are you torturing yourself like that? Oh I know why! Because you want the engagement when you draw said ship. Absolutely insane to be doing that all for the likes.
No.10739
>>10733>I wish people who only care about this would simply draw mob x character art (which we need more of anyway, imo), instead of saying they like a ship where they only care about one half of it.This annoys me too, really hate OOC super seme shit more than uke-ization.
My issue is though that I want every character I really like to take it up the ass. So it's not that character = uke = biased for me. It's literally like I love both the seme and uke -> I really like the seme -> man wouldn't it be nice if he took it up the ass too, over time. It's why I'm a mob x character fan but also a riba fag even in ships where I have a very clear bottom preference.
I'm sick of seme hate though. Stop seme hate! I just want my in-character blorbos to fuck.
No.10747
>>10737I really started to think that maybe it's just my personal views that have changed, but it really didn't use to be this extreme in the past, right? Hell, ship wars between m/m ships used to be more common exactly because people did in fact care about who their favourite character got paired with. Nowadays, I feel like these "wars" have instead gotten replaced by endless top/bottom arguments, which ties back to my post and how much current day fujos seem to care only about their uke getting fucked.
It's true that in fandom, you'll probably get more engagement if you just pretend to care about the popular ship. I would also guess that a part of why so many fujos prefer their favourite to bottom is because that usually means they'll be getting most of the fandom's love and focus in fan content(compared to the top).
>>10739>really hate OOC super seme shit more than uke-ization. I could not agree more with this, it's honestly my core issue. I don't understand why you'd take a fairly vanilla ship, and then make the seme out to be some super possessive alpha daddy dom rapist, which is the furthest thing from his canon self. If you want to see your uke get abused, just make it some faceless guy instead of treating an actual character like your OC purely for the sake of fulfilling a specific fantasy/scenario.
I completely get that mindset, in my case other than having the characters be fixed in a ship (liking only AxB and not A or B with any other characters), I'm pretty flexible with everything else. Even if I see a character as a top within the ship, I pretty much never see him as a "fixed" seme, if that makes sense. As such I'm totally ok with the seme getting fucked by mob too, in fact I wish mob x both guys in a ship was a more common trope. And switching dynamics in general are underrated and I wish more fujos would be open to exploring those too.
Bottom line is that, regardless of preferences, I just wish fujos would treat both characters with respect, instead of making one of them an OC or projecting onto them. The reason for me posting this is because I saw a tweet joking about fujos being "uke centered" get a lot of serious replies/qrts with people saying how they don't care for the semes at all, or they only see them as dildos, etc and it left me really baffled.
No.10749
>>10747> I saw a tweet joking about fujos being "uke centered" get a lot of serious replies/qrts with people saying how they don't care for the semes at all, or they only see them as dildos, etc and it left me really baffled.This is completely alien behavior to me. imo, the appeal of a ship is that you think the characters are more interesting together than either of them is apart. Sum of the parts being greater than the whole, or something like that.
I cannot imagine shipping something where 1/2 of the relationship is completely disposable.
No.10750
>>10749It can happen if one half of the ship is just a vehicle for noncon/badtouch (which isn't really shipping in the romantic sense) or if you only find one half attractive even if you enjoy both as characters so you only want to sexualize one of them (not that that means it has to be the uke, but I'm not usually interested in a character I don't find attractive getting fucked)
Or I guess, if you just want your fave to get fucked and the options are very scarce so you latch on to whoever you can even if you don't care about that character. I get it, because mobs hit the same button in my brain as OCs so I'm much more interested in canon characters than a random, but I can't think of many situations where this happened to me off the top of my head. Most of my ships definitely involve two characters I like.
Mob is also pretty limited, it's mostly just used for rape doujins because if you want a romantic relationship then it becomes OC shipping, and most people want to see Blorbo in a relationship.
No.10751
>>10747>Even if I see a character as a top within the ship, I pretty much never see him as a "fixed" seme, if that makes sense.based
>As such I'm totally ok with the seme getting fucked by mob too, in fact I wish mob x both guys in a ship was a more common trope. And switching dynamics in general are underrated and I wish more fujos would be open to exploring those too.based based based, I remember seeing a stuck in the wall dj of both characters getting mobbed that I really liked. Same with a double character tentacle one. Imagine the uke seeing the "seme's" reaction to getting fucked HNNG
>lot of serious replies/qrts with people saying how they don't care for the semes at all, or they only see them as dildos, etcwhat's wrong with people kek
No.10753
>>10749If it was just one or two posts I would have ignored it, but they were most of the qrts and some of them got a lot of engagement too so it really seemed like a fairly popular opinion. I'm glad to see that nonas here find the whole thing weird too.
>>10750>one half of the ship is just a vehicle for noncon/badtouchI'd say that's what I have a problem with, why force noncon onto a fairly vanilla ship in that case? Even if people prefer canon over OC shipping, in this case the seme essentially becomes an OC anyway.
>>10751I'm surprised to see someone agreeing, it's not exactly the most popular take among fujos. Mob works of that nature are pretty rare outside of the occasional jp doujin or fic sadly, as a lot of fujos are just allergic to even the thought of a dick going near their seme's ass. I read a really good fic once with the usual blackmail storyline, except the mob was doing it to both characters at the same time.
I can only hope that one day people will wake up to the appeal, I'm not saying everyone needs to like switching but I wish the top/bottom roles would stop getting treated like an absolute.
No.10754
>>10753>I can only hope that one day people will wake up to the appeal, I'm not saying everyone needs to like switching but I wish the top/bottom roles would stop getting treated like an absolute.My white whale is something, even a one shot, where the seme rides a dildo or something while he fucks the uke. No one shares my vision.
>but they were most of the qrts and some of them got a lot of engagement too so it really seemed like a fairly popular opinion.Maybe it's because I'm an old hag who doesn't understand Twitter, but I've found that it really does have its own incomprehensible ecosystem.
No.10755
>>10733From what I've seen it's the product of a lot of selfinserters getting into fujo shipping to get more material of their blorbo of choice.
>Person likes X and kins them>The ship YX is the most popular one in the fandom>Person pretends to like YX because it gets them more and more fanart and fanfics of their precious X despite not really being into Y>They either erase Y altogether or headcanon their personality into something else entirelyPeople really lost their ability to enjoy fiction without imagining themselves as the main character and I blame trashy YA novels and gacha for it.
No.10757
>>10753>I'd say that's what I have a problem with, why force noncon onto a fairly vanilla ship in that caseI had ships involving canonically amoral villains in mind, I can't actually think of examples where this happens with a 'vanilla' ship unless it's just a seme being standard asshole forceful seme but that's sort of a separate category to full on noncon whump that is trying to be noncon whump.
No.10758
>>10753>>10754I was literally just thinking about this, in one of my ships both the characters are so good as bottoms that I've even seen fixed only JP artists make jokes about them switching, so I alternate between A/B and B/A works to get both, but I really wish there was doujin of both of simultaneously getting gangbanged by mob characters or tentacles or something kek. I especially have a thing for two characters kissing/touching each other while both being penetrated by someone/something else.
No.10759
>>10758Imagine one character trying to be quiet or stop moaning in front of the other character, like the humiliation aspect of it…
No.10760
>>10733I'm starting to not like it either but with me it's because I hate how much they try to flatten ships into "ugly bastard seme x beautiful uke who farts roses". It's never the dynamic I like from the canon and seeing my favorites become bashed to hell when they're made the semes pisses me off.
No.10762
>>10754I can't think of anything with that particular scenario, but mob doujins do often have the seme fuck the uke while he's getting fucked by a mob at the same time. Another one that comes to mind a fic where the seme used to whore himself out to old men prior to meeting the uke. But I treat these as lucky finds because I know that most fujos aren't gonna be open to exploring these dynamics and similar.
>>10755Self-inserting and projecting definitely play a part in it, as well as people wanting to see more content that focuses on their blorbo, which in many fandom would be ship art where he bottoms. I really hate how self inserting in general has influenced media, it's sad to see fujo spaces fall victim to it too when the appeal is supposed to be watching two cute/hot guys go at it while (You) have no involvement at all.
>>10760Nona I completely agree with you, not only do I hate the seme-fication of characters, but I also hate how forcing a ship into that basic dynamic usually strips it of anything interesting. Even my twink x twink ships aren't safe sometimes, because people will go as far as drawing the seme completely off model to match their preferences. It sucks. Meanwhile they'll complain if you dare put the seme in a cute maid dress while he fucks the uke.
No.10766
>>10762>drawing the seme completely off model to match their preferencesI'm all about drawing whatever you want but this gave me Vietnam flashbacks of that one Cynonari artist.
No.10772
>>10769I know exactly the posts you mean from that artist. They draw fine most of the time but when they have to draw the character naked they end up giving him a huge physique. I'd post the character model here as a comparison but I wouldn't want to derail the thread further. But yeah, I can understand acknowledging that he'd have a fit body (given the model and his character type) but it's not super exaggerated like some of the people who are fixed to make him a top
No.10773
I hate it when fujo artists draw pecs like boobs, this is coming from someone who likes boobs, but getting jump scared by surprise double D's on some muscular guy is awful. I really dislike the whole feminization of muscular bottoms, it's annoying with skinny guys but when done to muscular guys its grotesque, reminds me of bara porn and those irl gay dudes who get crazy plastic surgery.
No.10774
>>10773Could not possibly agree more! Even ultra buff guys (Der Arnold had a 44 inch bust back in his prime), don't look like they have tits. There's way more muscle and way less fat. I do not understand why so many bara artists seem to be into gynomastica.
No.10775
>>10766>>10767I don't really judge people for having specifics preferences, but what I don't understand is why go out of your way to force a certain dynamic/fetish/whatever onto a ship that simply.. doesn't fit it? There's a sea of BLs with big seme x small uke, it's the literal most popular dynamic, and yet they feel the need to make *every* m/m ship they like ever into a copy-paste of that. I also never got the obsession with forcing a
size difference onto characters that canonically have the same builds and maybe at most a few cms of height difference, although I would guess it's just another thing that comes with their weirdly obsessive fixation on way too specific top/bottom dynamics.
>to the point that during bunny day an artist had to explicitly mention that their bunny-boy outfit wasn't a crossdressing outfitGod, genuinely why is it *that* much of a big deal? Does wearing cute clothes take away his topping rights? If a guy fucks another guy in the ass but likes to dress in a feminine way, is he suddenly not a
real seme anymore?
Also your pic related brought some memories of ship art I've seen too, it's one thing if that's simply the artist's style and how they draw *both* of the characters, but way too often only the seme gets drawn with unrealistic muscles(that he doesn't have in canon) while the uke gets uwu-fied.
No.10776
>>10775>Does wearing cute clothes take away his topping rights? If a guy fucks another guy in the ass but likes to dress in a feminine way, is he suddenly not a real seme anymore?I think I posted about this before, unsure if it was here or on
/vmg/ or
/blog/ but considering that there are people who need to tag/warn for 攻めフェラー (the seme giving a BJ) or that it's unthinkable to see the seme in a slightly 'servicing' way towards the uke, I say yes.
It really depends on the character, because I've seen otokonoko being semes just fine, or crossdressing semes, but if the person sees (the seme) in an hypermasculine way, the harder it'll be to see them 'vulnerable' in any way.
No.10777
>>10774Gyno is hot to some degree (imo). Its also something some gay men (mostly bears) have/pursue (using oestregon) in real life, so its not something that's been pulled out of thin air. It is odd that its so common since its far from the norm for the type of gays most resembling bara.
No.10779
>>10776Oh yeah, I've seen a lot of those 'warnings' (seme giving a bj, crossdressing seme, dominant/leading uke, even pathetic seme etc) and I just find it silly that those things need an actual warning kek. It's clear that to some people, uke and seme don't simply mean 'getting fucked' and 'doing the fucking', but instead come with a set of rules what semes/ukes can and can't do, and they get very angry when any of those rules is broken.
>if the person sees (the seme) in an hypermasculine way, the harder it'll be to see them 'vulnerable' in any wayYou worded it well, I honestly wish people who do this would stick to media that already appeals of them instead of attempting to turn twinks into stoic dom daddies.
There was this one jp fujo (I didn't interact with her, just followed her silently) and she would get so triggered whenever people called the seme in her ship cute. The thing is, said seme is portrayed as a basic 'cute boy' most of the time in canon and I have no idea what she was seeing to insist that a literal moeblob (male) is somehow the biggest seme to ever seme. She eventually blocked people that followed her and shipped the reverse in any capacity, me included.
No.10780
>>10776do people not like service tops anymore or???
No.10781
>>10780I feel like that's historically the most common dynamic I've seen. IME, the typical yaoi encounter goes: seme gives uke blow or hand job, then seme tops uke. Level C, Tyrant Falls in Love, Ai no Kusabi (I think), Okane gai na, etc, a lot of the late-90s and early 2000s stuff all have this at some point of another.
No.10782
>>10779Semes moaning is also always warned for, but I guess it's a good thing to see it clearly labeled because I like it when semes get to moan just as much or more than the uke.
>she would get so triggered whenever people called the seme in her ship cuteWould she never consider her own boyfriend cute? Assuming she's straight and would want her bf to be dominant anyway. Like are people with this mindset as rigid with het romance?
>>10781>seme gives uke blow or hand job, then seme tops ukeYeah, it's weird, I don't feel like I have seen a lot of ukes giving BJs so if it's actually more common/expected I have no idea. It ties in with the semes not being allowed to moan thing, the seme is the one in control of giving the pleasure so the 'dynamic' isn't being compromised. When ukes give bjs it's usually an attempt at teasing and this type of scenario is one you're more likely to see seme moaning warned for.
No.10783
>>10782>Like are people with this mindset as rigid with het romance?Probably a very small minority, but I remember some LADs yumes got mad at some thing regarding one of the boys (I dont play the game) where the female MC was carrying the boy in a princess carry. Fem dominating is bad.
No.10784
>>10783Isn't this the same game with other femdombait and the guys tied up in suggestive poses? It doesn't seem like the game for you if you only want alpha manly dudes lol
No.10785
>>10783NTA but this is crazy to me. I'll read any romance (BL/Gl/BG) as long as the concept is cool and it has good development. I get people have preferences but I feel like the stories that abide too much by "feminine one is smaller and submissive and masculine one is bigger and dominant" end up circling back to preventing the characters from being interesting. I'm a huge seme (in BL + GL) lover, but I dislike how often they just become a simp for the MC and lose all their previously interesting motivations EVEN when it's a rare plot focused story (whether in fanon or in canon gay works). It sticks out just as much as when in shounen female characters are ONLY motivated/care about love (see: Hinata), meanwhile everyone's trying to not die.
No.10786
>>10782>Semes moaning is also always warned forOh right, that's yet another one. I actually do appreciate all these things being tagged because it makes finding things I'd want to read easier, I just find it a bit silly when they're presented as warnings. There was this one artist that put some pictures behind a poipiku and wrote
(the seme) doesn't feel or act like a seme at all, so please only proceed if you're comfortable with that and I found it funny.
>Would she never consider her own boyfriend cute?I have no idea, but I really thought she was too extreme with the whole uke=cute, seme=cool thing, and I feel like I see fujos with this mindset at times. This is also the same kind of fujo that will give the seme strictly ex-gfs, and the uke strictly ex-bfs (if they dated prior to meeting each other) and that kinda speaks for itself, although that's a different topic.
>>10785>the stories that abide too much by "feminine one is smaller and submissive and masculine one is bigger and dominant" end up circling back to preventing the characters from being interestingExactly this, in the extreme cases all of their other personality traits end up being defined by them being the seme/uke, and that's boring. It sucks with fandom shipping too, because characters can have really interesting dynamics, and yet some of their fans will reduce it to the basic BL dynamic, which is often very inaccurate to their canon selves.
No.10787
>>10785>>10786This is all making me want some good subversion of these tropes, but unfortunately those tend to be written by people with a gripe and thus are instantly less interesting because they lack real passion. No sovl.
No.10789
>>10785My body physically rejects GL no matter how prudish or plot driven it is but yea, a good dynamic can save a pairing pretty easily.
No.10790
>>10782>I don't feel like I have seen a lot of ukes giving BJsI think ukes and semes give each other blowjobs in an equal amount. it’s fairly neutral
No.10795
Do any of you ever get upset when a big artist starts drawing for your NOTP? I can't help but get irrationally annoyed seeing fanart for my NOTP blow up, even though I know it mostly has to do with the algorithm and follower count. How do you combat this feeling? I mainly hate my NOTP because the fans are annoying as fuck and often make posts attacking my OTP unprompted, and because they always mischaracterize the character I like.
No.10796
I can't decide if I should participate in this ship event or not. Nonnas… would you still create for an event despite having an anxious feeling that others involved dislike you?
No.10797
>>10795Upset is a strong word but yeah I get a little butthurt. A popular and prolific enough artist can absolutely terraform a fandom for better or worse depending on what you ship. The only way to combat this is to use it as motivation to hone your own craft so you can be the one doing it.
No.10801
>>10796I would be anxious even if I thought they liked me lol.
What is it? A zine or one of those "weeks?" If it your ships week go for it. Those are low commitment and you can pick and choose what to do.
No.10802
>>10796Unless whoever is hosting it has a personal problem with you specifically or the ship involved has a lot of antis that will point you out if you're a 'proshipper' or there's an arbitrary rule like that I don't see why not.
No.10803
>>10794>no I am a lesbian> lNo! I am a lesbian!>No I am!Keeek why being a lesbian now it's some sort of proof of being le hecking baserino woman???
It's so stupid especially when 90% of those women who call yaoi too male centered are thirsting for some eceleb men on a daily basis.
Ahah yeah no you are all carpet munchers I am sure.
No.10804
>>10794>>10803I've never seen an actual lesbian into yuri, they just had waifus who they were obsessed with and that was it basically.
No.10808
>>10804In my 20 years of being in the BL fandom I've seen so, so many female-partnered fujoshis who only date women and have wives yet barely any lesbias into yuri. The only very few adult lesbian yurifags I've ever met have been into the domestic adult slice of life girls' love josei mangas, NEVER into malegaze gachashit coom that all these "wlw activist" yuripigs are gooning to.
No.10810
>>10802To keep it vague, yes, I believe someone involved with hosting it has an issue with me.
No.10811
>>10804>>10808I've seen a lot of lesbian yurifags, they typically avoid BL so you won't find them hanging around bisexual fujos. It's a selection effect of sorts
No.10817
>>10810I don't think that should stop you tbh everyone who makes a ship event should know that plenty of other people may or may not join regardless if you like them or not
No.10818
>>10811Hopefully they are not troons but even then it's hard to tell since yuri is basically used for woke points now even when it's sexual.
No.10821
>>10820It's funny how different my pet peeves are for popular pairings on ao3 vs pixiv / djs. Usually it involves lame gender or therapy shit in the English side of the fanbase where the villian mopes around. The Japanese side forces the pair into seme/uke roles and also makes the uke cry and mope around.
No.10822
>>10820these days I can't stand any shuake, it's like reading the author's OCs. hate hate hate AUs because it's usually 10x worse. i'd much rather read shiake or rarepair ships if I want to read about akechi in any meaningful capacity. i quite like a nuanced akechi and "villains" in general so i don't mind a bit of woobification but god.
No.10823
>>10820I've had it up to here with the gendie shit in Jayvik. Not to mention the already insufferable deluge of OOC crap; I might as well be reading OC/OC fic at that point. Fuck me I wish I had any control over which ships pierced my kokoro. Just kill me.
No.10824
>>10822I used to really like shuake before royal and a bit mid-royal but what made me fall out of love for it was just the overexposure to it. Like, it's overwhelmingly everywhere and it's not like it's not deserved but when you see something "too much" at least for me, I don't feel like seeking it out as hard.
No.10825
>>10823Apologies for being a gachafag but Phaidei. Hoyo fandom characterizations tend to be pretty bad in general (overly seme/ukeified/tropeified) but this is on another level for me.
>>10820Seconding Jayvik. There are probably 2 fics in the entirety of AO3 that I enjoyed, I gave up on it months ago…
No.10826
>>10820There are almost 60k bkdk fanfics on Ao3 and after hours and hours of browsing I can say with certainty only a fraction of them are worth a damn.
>>10822>hate hate hate AUs because it's usually 10x worse. This is my #1 issue when I have the misfortune of liking a really popular ship. There's gold in that septic tank but because of the capricious nature of the "alternate universe" tag you have to manually examine every fic to make sure you don't miss something good.
No.10827
>>10820It’s not even a popular ship (in its fandom), but I dislike a lot of dabisho (Dabi x Shouto from MHA) fanfiction. There’s too much gendie shit and too much /ex/ stuff. Like don’t get me wrong, I can appreciate some /ex/ from time to time, but the dabisho tag on ao3 is filled with it. And gendie shit is just plain gross.
No.10830
>>10822I like AUs in general, but Shuake has the worst of the worst of it in terms of character writing. Woobie Akechi is a crime against humanity.
Adasou has been one of my main OTPs for years, and it's plagued with gendie shit and bad bdsm in AO3 that I know is going to only get worse. Nuance doesn't exist to zoomer Persona fans.
No.10838
>>10808majority of the "lesbians" who glaze gachashit like hoyoslop while also hating fujos like a full time job are almost all troons which says a lot
No.10839
>>10830lmao i'm ayrt and adashu (well, shuada…) is actually my persona otp of all time. i haven't even looked in their ao3 tag in over a year because of the garbage, so i have no idea what's going on with them anymore.
my friend keeps saying that with the remake we're going to get new fans, great fic, etc., but i'm sus… i think it's only going to get worse from here on out with the current state of fandom.
also, idk if you mean "bad bsdm" as in it's bdsm that's poorly written but takes itself seriously and is trying to bed hot (hate that), but i would read fic where adachi cringely tries to engage in bdsm with souji and fails. that is miles better than reading ooc fluff about them getting married imo. No.10840
>>10839With how crazy Persona fandom is, the real life issues Adachi represents, and with how many antis run fandom now? yeah, you're not getting any amazing fics,least of all for Adashu. The people who make proship edgy dead dove their entire personality aren't much better writers than the fluff people. Good fic used to require nuance from adults who knew how to write and that's pretty much impossible to find now, much less for a remake for an old jrpg that just wouldn't attract those kinds of writers anymore.
No.10841
>>10839I would be happy to read the latter from your spoiler. It always ends up being OOC daddy dom or self-insert protag who is written with no willpower in the bedroom.
>>10840Badfic will always exist and people are free to write what they want (I love a good dead dove here and there), but the switch from writing as a passion to treating it as 'content' really killed off the appeal for many talented authors I know. I sometimes debate getting back in to fandom writing for the sake of my ships, but I think if I did I'd only post it somewhere more private like an LJ or Dreamwidth where the remaining demographic skews older.
No.10843
>>10842There is, but it takes a lot more searching to find things. The quiet is more appealing to me since I prefer it as a method to archive and occasionally share rather than post for a greater audience.
No.10845
>>10841 >the switch from writing as a passion to treating it as 'contentThis mindset is what ruins not just fandom but the whole internet. Everyone’s trying to monetize (or accumulate clout) and it sucks the soul out of everything. I hate this timeline.
No.10847
>>10845Do people really form cults of personality towards fanfic writers? I've never seen it, outside of the infamous shinocchi situation on MXDX. This mostly happens to shitpost accs (people who genuinely do nothing, no fanart no fics, just simply 'funny relatable shitposts) or fanartists but writers maybe I'm not in fandoms that are too popular.
That's why I'm curious how exactly would fanfic be turned "to content" when it's the least profitable thing other than those harry potter girls who sell books
No.10848
>>10847>Do people really form cults of personality towards fanfic writers?yes, this happens in literally any fandom of a medium to large size. it's not always about profit but social clout and interaction–you'll see people sucking up to writers with highest kudos and who are well-received within the community. these are the fics that get recced on rec lists over and over because people keep mentioning them and everyone reads them because it's all they hear about.
No.10849
>>10847>>10848Specifically talking about financial gains, I’ve seen lots of patreon/kofi/commission shilling. I’m glad AO3 doesn’t allow that but social media sites don’t have that rule…
No.10850
>>10849I've witnessed the same person in several of my fandoms making bank by streaming themselves writing 600-800 word fics. They keep saying it's requested by so and such donater on stream and they shit up the tags often enough that it must be successful somehow. I don't get it.
No.10852
>>10822This is crazy to me since from what I see people still think Akechi is Satan and anything where he isn't evil is considered woobification, and I see nothing but edgy Shuake content if I see it at all. Atlus ignoring Royal and Akechi for years on end when they didn't mind pimping out Adachi and milking his popularity after 4 doesn't help.
>>10845Anime especially has always suffered with badfic, it's always been more attractive to teenagers who lack experience because most anime and jrpgs star teenagers so of course more teenagers are going to be writing for them. I can agree fic becomes more streamlined though. People only want to write for the most popular shit now, so that means Arcane, Hoyoverse, maybe Deltarune? Fandom treats AO3 fic like the kpop charts where it's about numbers more than passion. Fandom going mainstream was a mistake. I think most of the better writers who want to get a book deal out of it just won't write for anime fandoms anymore, but I have no interest in whatever live action big fandoms they go to now. I think it's a firefighter show that's the big thing? All the guys looked bland as hell.
No.10854
>>10825>I gave up on it months ago…I wish I could be like you, alas my personality means I'm in it for the long haul regardless of how good or shit or big or small the fandom is.
>There are probably 2 fics in the entirety of AO3 that I enjoyedFeel free to throw the names out if you can remember, you'd think out of now 19k fics I'd have read more than 100 good ones, but I don't think so. Absolutely insane the yaoi ship has more fics tagged with pregnancy than the canon lesbian ship. This timeline is something else…
>>10847>Do people really form cults of personality towards fanfic writers?Yes, as anon said it does happen in fandoms over a certain size. And yes it's as annoying as it sounds. I rarely see fic authors not pimping out their social media anymore.
It happened to me in an older mid-sized fandom. Once I accrued over 1k followers and my fic was front page kudos-wise, I realized how annoying I must seem to normal fandom-goers, and quit the public eye forever. No.10855
>>10852I'd disagree there … Akechi has a lot of merchandise and is still included in collabs, while finding anything Adachi means you're looking at $200+ for one of 5 existing keychains. They're definitely aware Akechi is a popular character, to the point they made sure to keep him in limbo for the 'what if' in a potential spin-off or sequel.
RE: Your last comment, there's a TON of very talented writers in the 9-1-1 fandom that almost make me want to care about a western procedural drama.
No.10856
Any good examples of M/M fics or authors with a cult of personality around them? The only examples I can think of fanworks with fandoms are the F/M that eventually gets published like 50 Shades or City of bones.
>>10855Crossing my fingers for more merch when the remake comes out. His only fig right now is low quality too, I just need one good one…
No.10857
I really can't stand fujos who act like it's a matter of life and death for their seme to bottom, and yet turn around and enjoy hetbend content of their ship (or, worse in some cases where they also like a hetship/like the idea of their seme having had ex-gfs etc). Then they'll have the audacity to say that they simply enjoy putting their ship in different situations/AUs, and what this actually means is that they're fine with the uke becoming a girl (as if this wouldn't massively affect their dynamic), but won't allow their ship to simply switch positions in bed.
I can only see them as yumes pretending to be fujos, as they seem to be happy as long as their seme is the one putting his dick in a hole. If you're actually a fujo with strict and fixed preferences in regards to positions, I expect the same energy for keeping your ship gay. If must see your ship as girls, genderbend both of them.
No.10858
>>10856There was someone in the
Genshin fandom circa 2020-2021? Called tzitzimeme, they had a popular fic called meng po but that's now deleted which was just them venting personal issues on to the fic and using the popular character of the time (Zhong li) as a personal punching bag. Some of their other stuff still remains though.
That person has disappeared by now because they decided to ruin their reputation online forever by admitting to commiting CC fraud over scamming people on gacha reroll accs
No.10859
>>10850You could not pay me to stream my writing process, especially if it was porn. I guess some people have no sense of self consciousness.
No.10861
>>10849I don't understand why people are so icked about fanfic writers making money while being okay with fanartists making profit over someone else's IP. Maybe it's because I'm also a writer, but I don't see the issue with it.
No.10862
>>10861Historically fanfic invites way more litigation. A lot of people old enough to remember that kind of turbulence are extra vigilant about keeping fic comms off of Ao3.
For me it's less that I am icked and more that I don't think fic writers can hit the target as well as fanartists (and I say this as a fic writer). I follow a few writers who take comms on the DL and the difference between IPs they are into and IPs they aren't is night and day. A great artist who is not into A/B can draw A/B fuckin' for money and it will turn out pretty good. A great writer who is not into A/B can write A/B fuckin' for money and while it is objectively well-written it's usually the kind of nsfw where you could find and replace character names. The problem is that they often lack the scaffolding of world/character familiarity in their prose that makes a good fanfic good, you know?
>>10852>I think most of the better writers who want to get a book deal out of it just won't write for anime fandoms anymore, but I have no interest in whatever live action big fandoms they go to now. I believe this based on my own vibes but do you have any speculation I could read about this transition? It really does seem like all of the older women who I count on to write the good fics just aren't in weeb fandoms in the numbers they used to be anymore. MHA was the last hurrah I guess.
No.10863
>>10861I’m talking about fan artists too, and it’s not just about making money. It’s about grifting and clout-chasing. Posting engagement bait to get their numbers up. Begging for views and follows because their paycheck depends on it. “Don’t let this flop,” complaining about the algorithm, etc. It was annoying when they were just chasing asspats and positive comments, now it’s even worse when they’re asking for money.
No.11590
>>8873>ugly man psyop.Wtf that even means