No.8865[Last 50 Posts]
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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.8866
>>8715>>8716My personal issues with Jinx have more to do with the quality of the writing than any qualms about "abuse". I like the characters, but it feels like the author has no idea what to do with them. Like she wrote herself into a corner and now she doesn't know how to get out because Jaekyung abused Dan to the point that Dan lost all interest in him and now it's too late for him to redeem himself and the story is now more about Dan's family trauma while Jaekyung is trying to shoehorn himself back into his life just for sex. It's stupid, if I wanted to watch a dumb roidpig pine for someone he treated badly I'd just watch normie reality TV. But it feels like most people read Jinx for the sex scenes and because they think Dan is cute or Jaekyung is hot but don't really give a shit about them as a couple.
No.8872
>>8867>i am confused when people make fun of fujos for only shipping hot boys together when literally everyone is like thisIt's just misogyny and making fun of women for liking pretty boys because popular with women = bad / dumb. Most discourse makes me think of Lindsay Ellis's Dear Stephanie Meyer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O06tMbIKh0 No.8873
>>8867>>8872Inverse happens too even here. Can't like hot fuys because then you're shallow can't like unconventional men because then you've fallen for "ugly man psyop." It's all so frustrating.
No.8874
>>8867>old woman yuri and the "women" are barely 20I have this same gripe with 'old man yaoi' and one of the "old men" is barely 30 but that aside, the "fujos" who exclusively only do transbend/genderbend into yuri or trans ships I feel like they have that internalized shame of being a fujo, that being a fujo is stupid and cringe and fetishizing men while also having the tumblr activism mentality of "stop centering your life around men (and start liking women)"
No.8875
>>8873It goes beyond frustration being told whatever I do I'm wrong. I'm shallow for liking conventionally attractive men and fake or disgusting for liking ugly men. I'm a pervert for liking BL and a lesbian in denial for anything f/f. I'm lying about liking BL if I have a girlfriend and if I ever sleep with a man I'm simply a slut.
When you accept that the people throwing labels at you do not want you to enjoy anything it becomes easier to ignore them.
No.8876
>>8872I don't understand that when called out, there's always push back when it's so blatantly the truth.
Kids these days are aaaaall about canceling people they dislike but they turn away the moment it could actually help a person.
Not to say I rely on kids, I just think years of being a fan of shows with massive female audiences who get hate would start some sort of awareness that maybe people really do hate it because of the fans.
Kingdom Hearts was never kept alive by straight shippers that's for sure even though people act like it suddenly always has. All of this Sora x Kairi art that surged since years after KH3 wasn't keeping KH in circulation between 2005-2019. Watching Mouthwashing getting bashed until the devs themselves told people to shut up was probably the most satisfying thing to happen as a response to fandom.
No.8878
>>8866That criticism is valid, especially when the author had a similar issue with BJ Alex (to a lesser degree since Jaekyung is much trashier). They've never been good at writing a strong couple … even the side ship for the actor has next to no chemistry or charisma outside of the sex scenes.
To keep on topic to venting, I wish more authors were able to balance having interesting characters with their relationship. Every genre has its slop, but sometimes it feels like you have to dig especially hard in BL works to find the gems.
No.8880
>>8879I've seen popular "pinky toe into bear territory" art of some of the anime twunks I like but the second it's that stretchmarks/rolls uwu shit I'm out. I saw a pic for a zine with a couple I could only recognize one of and then had to dig into the artist's socials to see what character the other one was because it was so amorphous there was nothing remaining of the character to clue me in
(It's Sylvain). Artists who go so off model they are drawing a completely different person baffle me. Just make them OCs and call it a day.
No.8881
>>8879>Unspeakable monstrous creatures with inhuman genitaliaThis sounds more appealing to me than fat hairy men and I'm sure most of Tumblr would agree (even if they don't admit it)
Hell I'd probably be down for a fat hairy ship if a single person wrote it in a way that wasn't either 1. bland body positivity moral high-horsing or 2. just fetish porn
No.8882
>>8879Dear Tumblr TIFs, being fat is unattractive and you aren't somehow more sophisticated for claiming to be attracted to ugly / fat / hairy / "monstrous" men instead of cute twinks. Having a superiority complex over liking uggos makes you the retarded one.
No.8883
>>8882idk chubby boys can be cute, for instance I like the MC of Accel World. A lot of that stereotypical art they draw is just intentionally ugly. I'm kind of under the impression that literally any trait or defect can be made cute and it's just the execution that determines if it's good.
No.8885
>>8879As a debu fan this user is stupid. They're excluding chubby/skinnyfat manlets, as well as body type difference pairs. If you really like fat then contrast in types is great fetish material. Submissive chubby-muscular characters are adorable too but they've decided that "sub" comes with a strict appearance code to justify it not being "masculine".
>>8882I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat characters, they just enjoy having something they can draw that they don't fuck up. If it comes out ugly then it's still succeeding. Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between joints. Many of them are winging it with rounded shapes and repetitive body shapes scaled up or down. Saw one last month who had two characters who were the exact same shape (and therefore fat distribution), but because they wanted one to be larger than the other they were, literally, larger and the smaller character had a teeny skull in comparison.
No.8886
>>8885this explains ginjikas after 2018.
I hate human AUs and everyone's a fat nosed, fat bodied, trooned out self-insert.
A lot of non-human series I like often have humanoid AUs that their official creators make and they're always attractive. But the fans- that's to say, people who use being ugly as east mode, ignore them. Even this design, only asian artists are on model. It's like tumblr 'artists' abhor the idea that they should consider making a girl prettier than them
Bumblebee has several official human modes and all of them are fit and cute. And the one brown skinned, male one they ignore because he's very skinny. Kind of funny how Bumblebee has two female human forms though.
No.8890
>>8885>Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between jointsI'd argue that fat people are harder to draw well because not only do you need to understand anatomy you have to account for fat distribution and how gravity/positioning affects it. You can see this lack of understanding not only in fat art but also the kind of hentai where boobs don't hang and squish haha.
>>8886It's before 2018 but Homestuck was pretty terrible about this too. It was the first time I encountered extreme transformations instead of just little tweaks like an aqualine nose or freckles or something.
No.8892
>>8883chubby characters can be cute but they try to virtue signal over characters drawn like ugly bastards like you said kek
No.8893
>>8892Yeah exactly, I agree with the nonna who said they probably don't even like them. Plenty of good debu artists and characters, these people just want a pat on the back for being different.
No.8894
>>8885>I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat charactersYou can usually tell when they do, if they aren't already making blatant fat fetish content. It's like vorefags and detailed mouths or footfags and detailed feet. I think something like rcdart fat Tony Stark is an example of ugly for the sake of ugly while stuff like
>>8890 Homestuck fandom shit usually felt to me like people genuinely being attracted to their ugly art.
No.8900
>>8899>never turn yuri into yaoithis shit pisses me off. i have to see hundreds of genderbends of my beautiful yaoi boys turned into girls that is not even tagged half the time but if you do the reverse you will be called a misogynist cock sucking male centered pick me. yuritards get SO mad when fujos draw two boys in the utena sword pull pose they call it actual lesbophobia kek.
No.8922
>>8900>>8899It annoys me when twitter teenagers group yuri and yaoi together or claim yuri is better than yaoi in some way (because it's much less popular in fandom among women).
We aren't reading a general lgbt genre. Yaoi is by and for women, it's our own thing. Fujoshi have no obligation to make or read or respect yuri or have any sort of yuri alliance kek.
No.8925
Honestly I don't hate yuri fans until they start complaining about fanworks not festuring F/F. Why aren't YOU writing it? The reason why BL fanworks are so big is because we make our own stuff, do the same! I can see why they're grouped, neither of us are getting a canon ship, but yaoi fans have always been more proactive.
No.8927
>>8922People don't seem to understand that yuri and yaoi aren't sister genres.
No.8928
>>8926angsty magical boy yaoi would slap so hard, I wonder if there's anything close to madoka with boys besides Boueibu and Fairy Ranmaru and Dancing Star Precure
No.8930
Slightly unrelated, but has anybody noticed a weird trend in r63 drawings of male characters where they will literally just give the characters tits and then call it a day? It’s the opposite of the problem that used to exist where gender swaps had the male characters become skinny 10/10 women no matter what they looked like before. I’ve had several times where I was looking at ship art of two male characters only to look at the description and see that it’s supposed to be the “yuri” version.
No.8931
>>8930because everyone wants to be the most woke they can so drawing a man and slapping some tits on is veeeeeery progressive because "women don't owe you femininity" and also plays into the "this male character is so gender! squee! that he can be a girl and look exactly the same! i'm a theyfab by the way :)"
No.8936
>>8927This. It drives me insane that people seem to think yuri is just genderbent yaoi and yaoi is just genderbent yuri. They have literally nothing else in common besides portraying same sex relationships. They have a distinctively different community and stories, the tropes and style of artwork are completely different, the genres' origin stories and how they came to be are completely different. You can't just tell a fujo that she needs to love yuri too or else she's being a lesbophobe hypocrite because it doesn't work that way, it would be like telling a soccer fan to love baseball too because they're both ball games.
No.8940
>>8931Fujos need to go back to hating on female characters instead of this pointless virtue signaling. If they actually liked yuri they would just ship two women instead of turning two men into women. They don't care about female characters but still feel the need to show how much they care about women and the only way they can do that is by drawing their favorite male characters with huge tits.
>>8936They say that fujos who don't want to see yuri are suffering from internal misogyny and need to "re-examine their preferences" and force themselves to like yuri kek
No.8948
>I'd rather the uke be turned into a woman (女体化) than to see reversal, and turning them into a woman makes it so riba isn't possible
the shit I see nips say, no wonder they're still whipped into basically seeing everything subconsiously as man/woman and never actually liking the BL aspect of BL
No.8949
>>8948>Genderbends your uke into a woman and makes her fuck seme-kun with a strapon or futa dickNothing personnel, kid
No.8955
>>8948This is the one thing that I just can’t understand about Japanese fans and don’t think I ever will. They can’t decouple BL from heterosexual sex stereotypes in their heads at all. I wish they actually would just turn the uke into a woman and then fuck off from the BL tags.
No.8956
>>8955>>8948Every time I see this kind of shit I'm more and more amazed at how cucked into het brainrot Japanese women are. One of my OTPs has the bottom genderbent all the fucking time by Japanese artists specifically and he's always given huge tits and childbearing hips with overtly sexy clothing, the full sissyfication routine. It's like they have a compulsive need to heterofy everything and it always stinks of some degree of homophobia to me.
>>8949KEK
No.8957
>>8928I'm not really a fan of mahou shoujo outside of Madoka and Tutu but tokyo mew mew had that male spinoff
Obviously they're all lighthearted and nothing on the tragical girl level.
No.8958
>>8930Pretty much everything on pixiv is like this kek, though usually only one of them is genderswapped.
>>8948Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.
No.8960
>>8948I like it when the rule 63 designs are creative instead of just boobs. I've also seen it done where the artist will do m/m -> m/f -> f/m -> f/f
No.8961
>>8928>angsty magical boy yaoiThe official term for that in Japan is Kamen Rider
No.8968
>>8958>Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.For me personally I like to keep that stuff separate. There's some hetships I enjoy like Cykesquill from Ace attorney but in that same fandom if someone made Wrightworth art where one of them is turned into a woman I'd find it repulsive cause that's not what I signed up for with that pairing.
No.9010
I´M STILL CRYING BECAUSE MAPPA CANCELED YURI ON ICE ICEADO
No.9011
>>9010I've never moved on either, you're not suffering alone. The only thing I'l looking forward to will be the 10th anniversary of the anime, everyone begging mappa to release something on twitter and Junichi Suwabe posting about how he's disappointed there's still no movie.
No.9012
>>8958> I like hetslop and boobs Me too, tbh even het ships are hated by yumes if they don't personally identify with the girl being shipped.
Recent example is some bunny girl figures that came out for girl Ranma and Shampoo from Ranma.
Akane yumes went into a rant complaining about how it's sexualizing kids, even thou if it was done for Akane, god knows they would have been praising the hell of it even if the figure looked cheap.
I feel like yumes are threatened of shipping in general, they don't want to read about interesting dynamics or potentials, they just wanna be spoon-feed with romance, it's lazy which is why they hate creativity and they hate that other ships or characters that shine more than theirs.
No.9022
>>9010Idk why they canceled anyways. It would have made $$$ for sure. Japanese fujos were obsessed with the the Nintama Rantaro movie and the Gegege movie. Yuri on Ice is explicit
>>9012These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?
No.9023
>>9022>These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?It’s because canon shippers (antis) are so batshit insane despite their milquetoast taste, they love harassing shippers and making anyone that doesn’t ship a canon ship feel guilty. So now people that would’ve been regular shippers that didn’t care about canon in the past, want their ship to become canon and get to stick it to any antis because now the ship is canon and therefore the antis are now endorsing the ship by consuming the media. I get the idea, but really I want people to stop being retarded.
No.9027
>>9022Even if Yuri on Ice made insane profits most of it would have went to producers and other companies, not to Mappa, allegedly. They underestimated the anime when negotiating. Mappa is insane when it comes to milking a franchise too so I'm sure they wouldn't have made much from that and that's why they don't even bother anymore. Have you seen how they're milking the fujobait arc of JJK before the next season starts? That thing lasts only 5 episodes and some characters have more official merchs now than spoken lines in that season.
No.9030
>>9027>the fujobait arc of JJKKEK and i hope they keep milking it more, satosugu is my life and suguru is so hot (though i prefer satoru)
it makes sense that mappa ditched yoi then. though, for a studio that is literally built out of fujobucks they could have shown the fans more decency
No.9033
>>9030Money matters more than decency to Mappa it seems. As for JJK, I assume they're milking this arc so much because the next season will start in a few months and it would look strange to not promote it and keep releasing merchs of Gojo and Geto as teenagers. I wonder how everyone will treat the next arc/season despite Gojo being mostly absent in that one, so far I assume Mappa will focus on Yuta being a good sempai to Yuji, Megumi being a huge tsundere for Yuji until it backfires, Naoya ryona and Higuruma will most likely look slutty in the bathtub compared to the scene in the manga the same way Nanami looked slutty when punching the blond ponytail guy. However, my guess is that Mappa will milk the shit out of satosugu merchs again after the airport scene will be adapted. Cue another screening of the Hidden Inventory arc compilation movie in cinemas.
No.9050
>>9033if they were braver they’d capitalize on choso’s pseudo-brocon tendencies (even though he and yuji split up fairly early-on in the next arc iirc). i can def see them playing up naoya as toji 2.0 in marketing though, despite the fact that i think he appeals to a totally different audience.
No.9147
>>9146tifs are always such a psychological mess, its fascinating
No.9148
>>9146I actually watched this video and this is the gist of it:
>Salty clickbaiter claims to make a "scientific study" i.e. cherrypicked stat wrangling about the ratio of male and female characters submitted to Art Fight, keeps coming up with metrics pulled out of her ass to test until she finds the ones that suit her personal bias and includes a 10-minute derailment about the racial disparity of submitted characters just for pad the video even though it has nothing to do with the original topic and ends it with an emotionally loaded 10-minute rambling rant at the viewer, in total only 10 minutes of the video actually exhibits her topical findingsShe keeps getting proven wrong by her own metrics (Such as the distribution of the characters' gender, the amount of depth put into their bios, the amount of drawings submitted of them) because surprise, Art Fight slants toward female user majority, so she massages the results further until she can present them as evidence supporting her hypothesis. I get that being an artist focusing on female characters she probably has some kind of a chip on her shoulder about this topic and wants to vent but trying to frame it as a legitimate study when you can't handle the facts is laughable. People will watch this and hear all the big words and angry "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN??? WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN???" lines thrown at their faces and immediately posture themselves. The misogyny in the art scene is a real thing and needs to be addressed, but it has way more to do with mainstream media cutting female characters short and making them stick to misogynistic tropes, male art professors taking advantage of female students, male artists stealing female artists' concepts and taking all the credit, male artists being allowed more leeway and room to fuck up than female artists etc., not a bunch of teenagers submitting their yaoi OCs to Art Fight. But of course, addressing industrial issues is scary and might damage your own career, so it's better to just police other women.
No.9151
>>9146>accusing all visibly male OCs of being menum seems kind of transphobic to me sweatie…
No.9153
How does the Tumblr algorithm work? It keeps recommending me 3DPD heterosexual content despite the fact that I don't click or follow any blogs with it. I keep adding tags to my block list but it still shows up.
No.9154
>>9153Are you on a browser with ublock or browsing from the app? The 3DPD might be sponsored posts.
No.9155
>>8961Whats the most fujobaity Kamen Rider? Kuuga had potential but I haven't finished it
No.9157
>>9146>>9148It's silly to me, because I've done art in male dominated spaces, and on there you get a frequent excuse in art trades that they can't draw your character (unless you genderbend them) because "men are hard, I can't draw men, I'm not interested in men so it's hard to practice men." Everything is female characters all day every day, and males break them. The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. And yet we beat ourselves up about it all the time.
In my opinion, the most fun I've had with female characters was when they occurred organically in my stories, and the worst I've understood a female OC was when I purposefully tried to make them according to the sensitivity of arguments like this. Which, thinking about it, the last time I did that was probably ten years ago, this rhetoric has been round and round for so long.
>>9153Could someone you follow be liking it but not reblogging? I had the same issue with Cats the musical and was baffled until I got one that said "(Username) liked this" over it and realized they'd been liking Cats shipping but not reblogging it this whole time.
No.9158
>>9157>The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. Precisely. Male artists (who are often much more prolific and have more industry credentials than women due to the boys' club effect) hyperfocus on their underdeveloped female characters created as their personal manic pixie dream girl muses and do nothing but goon over them day in day out, yet everyone treats it as a force majeure that can't and shouldn't be challenged. Meanwhile, female artists creating content for their wish fulfillment male OCs are constantly put under the microscope and pointed out as morally corrupt wenches who hate women. And when they do create female characters, it still isn't enough because not even the people ranting and raving about the issue care about anything else than their personal feeling of superiority. Just look at all the "sapphics" who unironically think Honkai Impact the 3rd is a feminist game because it only has female characters despite all of them looking like generic oversexualized anime waifus and confirmed for being genderbent male staff self inserts.
No.9160
>>9154No, the ads tend to be like this.
Is it because I browse in incognito mode? Or maybe because the kink tags I follow skew heterosexual?
No.9161
>>9155It's been a while since I watch so the details could be rather off, but in general it's
>Kamen rider WHas the buddy cop dynamics, hardboiled detective (not really) x stoic boy genius doing the brainwork. It has an anime spinoff (fuuto PI) if you want 2D but I'm not sure if the anime was any good
>Kamen Rider OOONice chill guy x bratty monster
If you like a bickering couple type this will scratch that itch. It's my personal fave KR but also I'm a huge sucker for Yasuko Kobayashi's writing. The secondary riders also have very baity scenes.
>Kamen Rider BuildNarcissistic genius x happy-go-lucky single brain cell yankee
The yankee guy is also the same actor playing the actor in the Cherry Magic manga lol
I haven't really watch the more recent riders apart from Gavv so there might be others
No.9162
>>9161>playing the bottom in the Cherry Magic dramaBrainfart moment
No.9163
>>9160It's probably one or both of those. To my understanding you have less of a footprint on incognito tabs so it's throwing you the lowest common denominator content. If you are on kink tags that skew het it has simply mistaken you as a hetfag, especially if they have overlap with romantasy fandoms.
No.9164
>>9146Can't these people enjoy stories with characters that they don't self insert as? This is probably the reason why they break down so easily when people don't like their content, it feels personal to them because obviously they are projecting into the characters.
No.9263
When I was 12, walking through Chinatown, I found a figure of Aoba Seragaki… I really wanted it I LOVED IT but my grandma wouldn´t let me buy it because Aoba was SHIRTLESS…i never got that figure again AND I´M STILL CRYING ABOUT IT
No.9264
Is it normal to gain new fetishes/kink after that time of the month? I could've swore men in straight-up bikinis (tops and all) wouldn't work but it does now for some reason.
No.9328
>>9327I do know a lot of
lc yumes and hetshippers accuse fujos of trooning out but fail to realize that a lot of the examples they tend to post are also yumes/hetshippers and not only fujos. Like they're doing friendly fire because they refuse to open their eyes and realize that adding a vagina does not make it fujo even if they are being delusional about pronouns.
No.9329
>>9327I more just get annoyed when they try and convert me into a yume for shipping N and Touya from pokemon kek (among other age gap ships in that series)
>JUST SELF INSERT SO N ISN'T A PEDONo I do what I want fuck off.
No.9330
>>9328Exactly. A majority of 'fujo' TIFs wouldve never enjoyed yaoi in the first place unless they put an element of self inserting into it, except in a woke way so its not a boring straight ship like the other girls/yumes. Its infuriating on both sides and TIFs never know to pick whether yaoi is empowering (because it reminds me of
me me me) or fetishizing (because it makes
me feel bad!!!)
wish they'd all fuck off to real scroteshit like bara/geikomi where all the hairy uggos look closer to IRL tifs instead of harping on female fujos for being ebil fetishizers yet consuming their content and projecting their cuntboy shit on it
No.9331
>>9329But Touko and N has always been just as popular on the yume side, so why only talk shit about N/Touya? It feels insulting when people find a classic protagonist ship too problematic for age gap or whatever reasons so they create a selfinsert that has the same exact history and role as the protagonist character but just slap a Y/N on it. What's wrong with just aging up the protagonist if you care that much? You can see they acknowledge the canon chemistry but aren't willing to admit it.
Annoying as fuck that several pokemon het ships I dislike have been revealed as adult/minor thanks to the teraleak but the anti mob never came for them, they only care about the ships I DO like.
No.9334
>>9333To fujos, a male character who seems uninterested in women means it's easy to read him as gay. To hetshippers/yumes, it means you can use that 'your vagina is the only one special enough to change him' trope. Otome game love interests with a description like 'not interested in women/appears uninterested in women' is common and basically a signifier that he's Too Serious For Silly Ladies or his autism is too strong or whatever.
It's kind of different when the guy in question is also canonically very close to another guy or shows heavy gay vibes in another way, but hetshippers find a way.
No.9335
>>9328This is what gets me. The majority of "yaoi" fan art featuring a TIF coupled with a regular man is blatant self-insert art. That's not even getting into how hypocritical it is to consider TIF x male to be BL when you know damn well any art featuring a TIM with a female character would be accurately identified as not being GL to those same people.
No.9336
>>9334Yeah, like the classic Mary Sue trope that came along with romancing Spock because they were so speshul even an autism alien would love them.
I just find it irritating because they could just pick literally any other male character. Levi specifically was made to appeal to the fujo audience.
So when you think about it, yumes have no right to complain about anything since they also creep up on characters that show no interest in women, thereby trying to change canon just as much as the fujos they complain about lel
No.9337
>>9332I know that fujos can have their own brand of autism but the whole concept of selfshipping just seems like a way to make yourself annoyed all the time since it's based on something so fragile.
No.9338
>>9337It's just a repeat of kinning with the "NO DOUBLES" autism
No.9339
>>9337I just don't get why anyone shares it online. With ships, you can connect with other fans of the same ship. Who the fuck cares about Husbando x Not(You)? Selfshipping is so intensely personal. Even if you ship a tiny rarepair you can get other people on board with your work. At least the first person POV yume art with only the husbando in it makes sense even if it makes me uncomfortable to look at.
No.9343
>>9340Kaveh broke so many yumes, it's fucking hilarious how much his existence makes them seethe.
No.9345
>>9340Good example! Added this pairing to my interest list mwahahah
No.9347
>>9346>western cartoonWhich one is it?
No.9349
>>9347Arcane Transformers wombo combo with a dash of Mouthwashing for how talented so many artists are.
Pic related are all the couples in the comic run and labeled.
No.9350
>>9349Correction. I said Mouthwashing while my brain blinked after mentioning canon. I know JimCurly isn't actually canon. But the fandom still does the mentioned annoying shit
No.9356
>>8867They say they hate men but then they always defend male interests, defend the right for men to exist in fiction while being ugly but the only media they like is anime made for straight men to goon over because of some of those men are troon lesbians.
No.9357
>>9340I didn't realize KFC stood for Kaveh Fucking Culled.
>>9351I'm in a kid-friendly discord server for the free downloads and the mods who are always breathing down people's necks for posting the slightest blood or "toxic" ship were all excitedly telling everyone how they planned to play Mouthwashing and shit. I swear it was like Killing Stalking where the trend was mostly people claiming they were doing a thing for clout instead of actually consuming and engaging with the media.
No.9363
crazy how yaoi is in fact more feminist than yuri
No.9364
>>9351Mouthwashing honestly was the modern fandom speedrun record.
>Short indie game with dark themes and a low budget vibe>Some loudmouth video game streamer plays it>Everyone becomes obsessed with it in two days>Ship wars and accusations of problemacy>Tiktok dance cosplay videos>Edgelord adult artists make provocative art of the to "trigger the libz" >3 hour video essays about how the game is pro-rape>The game studio itself has to ask the fans to tone it down>Everyone forgets about the fandom in less than three months No.9503
>>9364I feel bad for any new IPs that attract the modern internet because of how insufferable normalfags are. Mainstream fandoms are now populated by retards and children, and grifters who want to profit out of said retards and children.
It's like every new fanbase is the Steven Universe fandom on steroids.
No.9504
>>9503Would it be stupid to say I prefer that to no fandom? I'm willing to wade through shit to get to the god-tier fan art and fanfics. There are so many series that I'm desperate for literally ANYTHING to exist and they've got 20 fanfics max.
No.9505
>>9504Nta but i agree with you. It's easier to filter through shit to curate your fandom experience than to have zero fan content and discussion. When i enjoy a creator i really hope for them to receive some kind of recognition for sharing their passion with the world instead of being ignored and getting axed by their publisher or platform
No.9532
Damn it, I want to post without having to deal with the CP spam!
Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. I feel like a lot of the peak tumblr was all a "you just had to be there" moment that can't be replicated anymore but I'm sure there's still some big scene for RPF fiction or movie ships.
Nowadays though, I feel like the people who like "realistic-looking" ships/characters are the ones often talking and complaining about real queerness and fandom activism nowadays. After all, movie actors still emulate real people, which is a different feeling from looking at anime and games which is inherently unrealistic.
Sometimes it feels like the Tumblr girls have/had the most fun though, although most fic always reads like OCs when it comes from media like that
No.9542
>>9532>Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. Funnily enough I was a tumblr girl without being into Superwholock. I started out in the tumblr Homestuck fandom because of all the roleplaying Ask blogs and then branched out into the anime side of tumblr. Most of my memories are from the Free! Iwatobi swim club fandom cause it was super cozy and a Free! fan introduced me to BL games on her blog by posting screencaps of Dramatical murder reconnect and this was huge for me. This is also bringing back memories of a prominent RinHaru(Or was it HaruRin?) shipper who provided translations for the fandom. I don't remember her tumblr username but I do remember that at some point she wrote an original BL novel called Fellfire summer. Meanwhile another prominent Free! fandom member from that time who also provided translations, aitaikimochi, has moved on to other fandoms and has her own webshop for imports now. Just realised this isn't within the scope of the thread anymore but I was feeling nostalgic.
No.9544
>>9532Same here, I've always found slash and slashers interesting even though I'm a weeb at heart. I never got close enough to those spaces to see the bad so I do feel somewhat nostalgic when I think back to 2014 Tumblr. On the other hand, a lot of those same people turned out to be gendies like you said so maybe there was a lot of current day fandom rot already brewing there lol.
On a similar note, I wish I could have experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took over
I'm a zoomer so unfortunately I became active in fandom spaces when enshittification already started happening. I'm sure it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but knowing that there used to be a time where people weren't obsessed with thinking fandom is activism makes me a bit sad when I think about it.
No.9545
>>9532Like
>>9542 I was around for Homestuck but there was a decent portion of weeaboo shippers/fujos hanging around early 10s tumblr as well, it was how I got EN yaoi and general discussion for a lot of 3DS/PS3/Vita games. It was the spawning pool for a lot of "industry" people who also may or may not have also been on /a/ and /co/. I'm also getting really nostalgic thinking about it. The post-smartphone pre-gamergate internet was honestly pretty chill if you learned to not engage with landmines. I even liked the tumblr/4chan cross pollination (does anybody remember "Indexer" from /hsg/? That's where I learned to stop saving tumblr thumbnails!).
>>9544>experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took overHonestly I wouldn't go back if given the choice. I'm spoiled by modern QoL. Yeah it was fun and maybe even "SOVL" to trawl through JP fansites for the good shit, but I definitely don't have that kind of time anymore. I don't think anybody does, not even the kids who are the age I was when I was doing all that haha.
If it makes you feel any better I think the fandom=activism people are either growing up or leaving fandom spaces. I don't really see that kind of stuff anymore unless it's reposted here and it used to be that I could NOT escape it.
No.9584
>like character from newly released thing
>fandom starts to form
>people start to grossly mischaracterize character
>no longer like character
I only have to wait until the fandom dies I guess…..
No.9585
>>9553That sucks. Is she drawing general characters or pairings? I don't play gacha slop but there have been a couple cute m/m pairings and I'm enjoying the art so far.
No.9590
I wish japanese artists would upload their genderbent art separately and not under collections of that character, specially when they draw them as titty monsters. It's borderline gross.
No.9591
>>9589Oh fuck yeah those two are hot as fuck. I don't like tragic stuff but the fujobait between them is very nice.
Sorry, some nonna's loss are some other nonna's gains.
No.9607
Scrolling through summer sales and once again lamenting that I'm never into the Big series that get reduced merch and discs. Closest I got is Tourabu and it's always the musicals that are too extortionately expensive to follow.
No.9614
>>9589this is so heartbreaking i loved their roscest
No.9625
>>9327>>9339toxic yumes will shit on fujos or literally any shipper because anything besides them x husbando is a NOTP and then invent a whole toxic conspiracy around themselves. if you are a very strict self-shipper, you have to filter out all of fandom or other fans essentially
>>9329I know it's just yumes or antis with an excuse to shit on something but do people actually see two cartoons from a video game and think
>OMG N IS TWENTY AND HILBERT IS A MINOR No.9626
>>9623>I like my boys pretty but I like them male!Same, that's why I was drawn to anime and ancient cultures where the beauty of men and the relationships between them was celebrated.
I can't stand gender bent, cuntboy, pregnancy, and you know what I kinda don't like femboys or cross-dressers all that much either.
No.9627
>>9623I like magic babies and mpreg when it was an actual weird fetish instead of an ironic joke. I also just want to see male homosexuals instead of pussy.
Fuck roidpigs, "realistic representation", hairy fat balding uggos, ugly old men, and women on testosterone. I want pretty boys. Both boys should be pretty enough to be uke. Men would look more attractive if they were less sexually dimorphic and masculine but I need the dick and balls.
No.9628
>>9623>Never have I seen women so obsessed with pregnancy….It's weird. Even non-TIF fujos I know in real life love mpreg. I have no idea what the appeal is or how it exploded in popularity.
>it's the only version of mpreg I can tolerateSame!
No.9629
>>9623>between this and the cuntboy shit I am just so sick of female bodies and bodily functions in my BLI don't get it.
>mpreg>but "he" has a vagina>and breasts>somehow still considered yaoi by the artist/their followersMake it make sense.
No.9630
>>9629It's self-insertion brainrot. This one time I saw one of those 'male' character OCs who on top of everything else was also obese and it was very obvious that the creator of that OC was obese herself.
No.9631
I'm anti-natalist IRL, but I love mpreg stories in BL/yaoi lol. It's not so much about the feminization of male bodies for me but rather the whole melodrama (and comedy?) of ukes finding out that they're pregnant and deciding to hide it from the semes through ridiculous methods. Bonus points when the seme gets upset thinking the uke had a child with another woman, before finding out that the uke birthed the child AND that he's the father. I don't know why but the whole misunderstanding plot and drama just scratches my brain the right way.
There's this danmei author who writes ten variations of this exact trope and I eat her slop up every single time lol. But whenever the baby grows into a toddler I just start tuning out because I can't stand kids.
No.9632
>>9625I was going to jokingly jump up and say "I do! It's what makes it interesting!" But then I thought about it for two seconds, and weren't the protags of BW older than usual? Like fifteen or sixteen-year-olds? It's not nearly as shocking, given characters that age in fiction are often as clued in and capable as adults, just in different social situations. The emphasis of the age gap is on N being an adult who has little knowledge or experience of society; detached but fully developed in his ways. This is further expanded on by the manga giving the protags jobs and connections in the world, where N has never had the opportunity and reaches out to them as essentially his first point of contact. Unlike real kids his age there's not much minor about Hilbert, he's very responsible and sensible as a counterpart to N. The ship is hinged on him trying to be understanding and negotiating with someone paradoxically less "wise to the world" than him, but who in turn shows him a way of thinking that contradicts what he's experienced. BW doesn't work without the maturity to accept the message of both boys and balance truth and ideals without stomping on either.
>>9627As an mpreg enjoyer
what's the point of sexualizing a pregnant man if there isn't an erection under the curve of his belly? Come ON, guys. Stop thinking about gross childbirth logistics and just be actually horny when you're doing freak of nature stuff.>>9631Yeah has to be a magic monsterboy baby that does cute baby animal type antics instead of real toddler stuff.
No.9854
I like young smaller ukes (shota I've only just been able to admit) but I'm uncomfortable about it. the discourse, accusations, and proximity to people who are actually bad trigger me, it's neverending
No.9864
>>9854ive come to terms with liking shota a while ago, being grouped in with pedophiles is one thing, people who think like that are just retarded moralfags who dont think through what theyre actually saying
what i really dont understand tho are people who claim to be profic and whatever but draw the line at shota. what exactly makes them draw the line there and not at rape or other "problematic" topics? either be okay with everything or nothing but you cant draw your line somewhere and expect others to do so aswell
No.9865
>>9854This one overseas fandom I'm in is such a relief, mostly adult women that are just having fun so it was a shock to see so many go "Holy shit Shota??!! Cute! Genius!!! Siesta wave!!!", I'd almost forgotten that thats how things used to be.
No.9866
>>9864they still probably feel guilty or insecure about it, so it helps them to draw the line somewhere, ie "I may read rape fics but at least not shota" that's basically how I was (without directing hate at others) and I see it a lot.
that, or they've seen too many examples who are messed up and therefore feel suspicious of it. I know what site it is but it unsettles me how many self-proclaimed pedos are on shota threads on /cm/ for instance, adds to my discomfort being in any way associated
No.9867
>>9864there's maybe another dimension too about what it means liking those forms, but it's not good mentally for me to go into right now
No.9885
>>9865Hah, I'm jealous. I just keep my feelings about shota to myself because I don't want to become the subject of discourse unless I'm in a proship space like the shota channel on the citrus con discord. Though I don't have any sort of guilt cause I know that cartoons are nothing like real life. There's small boys living in my neighbourhood and when I look at them I just feel disgust cause they're obnoxious.
No.9909
>>8865I want to participate in fandom, but I don't want to deal with all the gendies and puritans that are everywhere. The last time I tried getting involved with a fandom I got followed by so many people with tranny flags and pronouns in bio that I gave up in the end. How do you guys do it? Do you make your stance on all of this crap clear even if it gets you wrapped up in discourse and a bunch of people calling you a terf in qrts?
No.9912
>>9909I quietly mute anyone like that. They would know if you blocked them, but muting is invisible.
No.9924
>My obscure fic of a rarepair that no one else has written and has only 2 bookmarks on pixiv now has 3
>check it out
>seems they really liked it based on the tag they left
>look at profile
>long-ass multi paragraph monologue stating they are a yume, their long list of preferences, that they are not a fujo, but sometimes they read fujo fic and imagine the uke is their yume OC
>OK
I'm glad you liked my fic, but do you have to tell that shit to everyone? TMI in the most literal sense. And one of the other people who faved it was a (male) yume too. While this ship is very rare, I know there are or were a couple of other shippers out there… I just wish one of them would find me. I wanna sperg about it…
No.9925
>>9854I love teenage shota but I don't really talk about it because of the reasons you mentioned. A lot of edgy "proships" who are into shota act super obnoxious about it, completely ignoring others' boundaries regarding an issue that can be unironically triggering to many, and like you said the proximity to genuine pedophiles is disgusting. I just think shotas are cute and it's kind of a reliving adolescence through them as a boy thing for me. And I really hate how people conflate specifically things like teenage shota with loli, like none of the loli girls are meant to be seen as 14-year olds, they clearly have the bodies of prepubescent girls well under 10.
No.9927
>>9925Only tangentially related but I had enough experience with anime kids being way older than their size made them look so I assumed Tokiyuki was like 12 and then when I found out he was 8 I had a mini-crisis… Now I just pretend I didn't see it lol
No.9930
>>9924God honestly that sounds awful. If I put the effort into making my niche rarepair be known and all it does is fuel yumes of what is probably the (more popular character) I'd just go crazy.
I hope you can find shippers of your ship eventually, anon.
No.9934
>>9930It was a video game PC/canon character type ship, so yeah, probably impossible to avoid yume crossover there. My stuff actually did better on Ao3 but I still have yet to encounter one of the mythical fellow shippers. One day…
No.9936
>>9924This reminds me of the one time when I saw a jp
fujo 's profile and she said she mostly liked the hetbend version of her ship, and then proceeded to straight up admit to self-inserting as the genderbent uke. I thought that was really blatant, but I kept reading and at the end she said
While I think the characters (in her ship) are in love with each other, I also see them as strictly straight. In the end, a lot of people in Japan still sadly have very heteronormative/homophobic views, and a lot of the yumes like calling themselves fujos for some reason.
No.9958
>>9936what the fuck is this mentality holy shit
I guess they like the character's interactions but they can't deal with the gay? boooooo
No.9968
I'm feeling so doomer about fandom now nonnas. Are we ever going to see the end of "fujos are misogynistic for not writing about female characters and not playing otome games" or are we doomed to have the same misconceptions every week as new fandom scholars keep making the same arguments? Are we screwed because that ao3 list maker who wants to start smearing fujos as racist and sexist will never get a job and stop causing this discourse?
No.9969
>>9968I've been feeling doomer about something else. I can just block annoying people but all this shit lately with payment processors and collective shout makes me think that at some point AO3 is going to become a target because it allows underaged and noncon fics among other content.
No.9971
>>9969Yeah same, I'm more worried about AO3 attacks. I can always tell randos to fuck off online.
No.9979
>>9968I hate that the "they're fetishizing gay people!" discourse has evolved into "fujos are misogynistic!" I'm seeing this a lot in BL fandoms too. Fujos can never win. They tell us to fuck off from shonen and other non-BL related IPs, and when we do and create our own material with BL, we're told to fuck off once again and call us misogynists because either women are not present at all, dare to be villainous, or aren't prominent enough in a BL. Their opinions don't matter and no matter how much they screech that fujos are blatantly misogynistic or have it internally, they will never look at the mirror and see their screeching at policing a woman's interest is also misogynistic. Funny how they do this only to female interests but never to males. Ever. We're totally breaking that glass ceiling ladies~ Keep at it!
And unfortunately unlike the fetish argument, I don't think we'll ever escape that misogyny ad hominem they're currently using. I think fujos have to treat it the same way they did with the fetish accusations. "Okay. Don't care." They can cry all they want, but if people just "embrace" it then they have no power over you. Inside you know you're not a misogynist, and really that's all what should matter. Go make your own material if you feel so strongly about it- Oh wait, they can't!
No.9980
>>9958It's totally ridiculous, isn't it? I thought that she either liked the dynamic but only if it's straight, or that she might be a yume that had to cope with the fact that her husbando mostly gets fujo content, so she shamelessly projects herself onto the genderbent version of his boyfriend (who she knows she can't actually compete with, kek).
The western side of fandom is bad as we all know it, but the jp side isn't all sunshines and rainbows either. I sadly often see fujos who have 100% fixed no switching preference for a ship (fair), but then come up with
AUs where the uke is a girl, and try to insist that the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matter. But then they lose it if you suggest having them switch, or having the seme become a girl, and that makes me wonder if they actually like
boys love.
No.9981
>>9980>the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matterI hate this trope so much. It feels so invalidating in a way I can't explain it.
I may have seen it in a BL somewhere, where a guy falls in love with another guy for the first time *gasps!*, but then it turns out it was his female soulmate who reincarnated in a male body!
In my mind it doesn't feel like a true m/m pairing. More of that, 'see its ok! Its not completely gay its just that they love each other sooo much, the male and female that is haha!' Not sure if its done so some people take an easier acceptance of m/m romance in some convoluted way, but it doesn't work for me.
No.9985
>>9981I hate this shit too, especially when its done to characters I HC as specifically gay and not bi. I saw an artist do a hetbend of a ship and made the guy who has never once shown interest in a woman drool over the genderbent version of his bf and I felt physically repulsed. For some reason all the jp fujos I've seen make all the characters bi and cannot seem to understand the concept of an actual homosexual :/
No.9990
>>9981I honestly don't care. I think bi characters are valid but it does put into question why they did it to begin with? like what's stopping one of their past lives being both women? Does that negate their sexuality when they're both men?
No.9992
>>9981>>9980>>9958>>9936I see this happen way too often. It's usually a combination of
>Said fujo also likes to consume male otaku porn content so they have the same coomer moid tastes like lolification (making the uke into a loli), turning the uke into a girl to give them big breasts for paizuri, humilliation rape (as a girl), other deranged typical doujin type fetishes that you find in male porn>They don't actually believe the characters to TRULY be gay, they may like BL but are somewhat homophobic so it'd be better if the ship was straight>Lowkey hidden dykes that genderbend the characters all the time (similar to example 1). I remember there was a genshin FUJO(?) jp fanartist that exclusively drew the characters as girls, it was always male characters.>Some fujos are so absurdly autistic about switching they'd rather see the uke be a girl than to ever see them as a top>Half yumejos that don't admit they self-insert into the uke (jp fujos aren't as upfront about character thirst like western fujos, but you can tell when an artist favors the seme far more than they do the uke) No.9994
>>9992Fujodykes or "Fujo" dykes are actually based. Genderbent Yuri ships usually attract a lot less annoying men (a lot of straight men are grossed out by genderbent versions of their favourite male characters, idek if that's homophobia sexism or whatever the fuck lmao). Also it doesn't annoy me because they're just making it Yuri and going the full way. Hetbends are what I truly never want to see, especially since it's always the uke getting hetbended.
>>9993I'm dumb but what imagery? Is this why everyone is so aggressively convinced Geto bottoms?
No.9995
>>9994Yeah same, I don't have an issue with fujos genderbending both characters even though I find it a bit weird but fairly inoffensive, but the hetbending is what gets me. It always has homophobic undertones and there are enough straight ships already, no need to heterofy the gay ones.
No.9998
>>9993I blocked or muted that artist, I was sick of her for this reason. The funniest thing is that while Geto is supposed to have a pretty face and has long hair and an intact hairline he's still a much taller than average man and very fit, he's physically stronger than everyone else aside from Maki and Toji if we're removing anything supernatural from the equation, he's just a hot man at the end of the day. The manga's art style doesn't even reflect his beauty very well either compared to how Gege and some characters describes him.
No.9999
>>9996tbh I think this is still Geto's domain expansion and not Kenjaku's, it's just that Kenjaku can use it by using Geto's body. And there's also how Gege came up with domain expansions after JJK0.
>its very funny to see people edit out the kenjaku scars in order to make it a 'female geto' win when he has been long dead in canonIt's still based on Geto's face but yeah. What I found funny was how Takaba says Kenjaku looks beautiful and handsome but there's that ugly as hell scar on his forehead the whole time.
Honestly I hate omegaverse but I get why everyone jokes about how JJK is an implied omegaverse manga with Panda joking that Yuji made Todo and Choso act weird with his pheromones or that scene where Gojo sniffs the air around him and smells Geto's cursed whatever, the implied comparisons between Geto's technique and pregnancy, the constant jokes about Geto being a pretty woman and Gojo being "her" golder retriever boyfriend aren't even funny and the ones who take this seriously are straight up annoying.
No.10060
I thought when FC2 was going down, it was going to be a few side services and not the main host but apparently it's gone. This is so awful. It looks like the archive team saved it but the wayback machine is being really slow and for some reason even though it was indexed in time, a page I tried errored. I just got where I needed to go but I had to block the "hey, we're murdering fandom" popup because it was blocking navigation.
I hate when hosts wipe everything and JP hosts and even fans love deleting shit. I wish I could time travel through the internet and save things from my small, dead fandoms. I'm still mourning forest page which died last year and I didn't realize there were fics I needed on it until right after the fact (mobile friendly webhost mostly used for fanfics in the 00s that was supposedly yume-centric but they had yaoi too). I remember at the time reading a girl's site and she was reminiscing about it and it was one of those moments where I felt so close to the writer and I regret not asking archive team about it. Anyway, I'm checking on some other old things I was trying to organize. We truly are at the end of days.
No.10061
>>10060I feel like I'm on crack because my own FC2 site is still up alongside the blogs in my bookmarks. I thought it was only specific subdomains that were being removed.
Even if Archive.org shits the bed it also helps to save the page locally if you still have your tabs loaded.
No.10062
>>10060I still am able to access blogs hosted on fc2. However several old fanart fc2-hosted sites I visited for old 2000s fandoms are now gone…
This is why I obsessively save every fanart I see and like. I'm so nervous about losing artwork and like you said, jp artists often nuke their socials randomly anyway. Better just to archive it yourself somehow.
No.10065
>>10064Oh god I hope its not the same post that I read that also had a similar thing described. The audacity to call fujoshi "tourists that shove ship media down people's throats" when we've always been here and probably made gen content alongside ship media.
Though unrelated, I will pull a NLOF (not like other fujos) and say that the recent uptick of newgen ""fujos"" that came from hoyoslop which panders to "one true ship mentality" by artificially boosting shipbait in canon instead of authentic shipping made based on the character interactions and events that occur in the plot probably caused the uptick of insufferable canonfags that can only comprehend ships that are approved or explicitly implied in canon instead of just having fun making yaoi. The way these "fujos" enjoy content is so absurd, from what I saw its more about bragging right on who won by having the most canon and correct ship meanwhile their depictions of the ship in fanart is so wildly OOC and different it makes you wonder what the point of having a "canon ship win" is if you don't even enjoy or depict their canon interactions in your fanart. I hate how these schizos make fujos look bad though I wont absolve them of the fujo title since they are technically fujoshi because of the BL element, but their ways of going about it is just. unhinged. I just don't get it
Sorry for the schizobabble, I know we're digging on yumes here but I can't help but be reminded of the fujoshis they probably encountered and have a negative impression on and it's always the loud and obnoxious hoyofag archetype that take fujoshi infights to the extreme.
No.10069
>>10065>The way these "fujos" enjoy content is so absurd, from what I saw its more about bragging right on who won by having the most canon and correct ship Wow, that's some waifufag moid behaviour right there.
No.10070
>>10065I’ll admit I’ve had OTP autism for the entire time I’ve been a fujo (since Remus and Sirius appeared in the Harry Potter books) so I do understand the mentality. It’s easier to engage with the source material when you feel like they’re validating your ship. “Their love is so canon!” is a phrase I think about often. I don’t think it makes someone less of a fujo, but… yeah I know I’m a stubborn autist. Yes, I admit I do get my jimmies rustled by more popular competing ships if it’s a pairing I really really care about.
No.10071
>>10070Same nonna with an addendum: I also get mad if someone ships my OTP “wrong.” I know I have brain worms, I’m sorry.
No.10072
>>10065>canonfags that can only comprehend ships that are approved or explicitly implied in canonthey are cancerous, It’s even worse when the source material is some juvenile shounen thing or a comedy, and they act like the sanctity of "canon" must be protected when the canon ship takes up maybe 1/100 of the entire plot.
It’s crazy to me how these people are allowed in fandoms nowadays, they know nothing about how fandom started or what shipping was, with the roots back to Star Trek shipping, yet they act like authorities on it.
>their depictions of the ship in fanart is so wildly OOC and different it makes you wonder what the point of having a "canon ship winI have seen this multiple times, i don't get it either.
No.10073
>>10070>>10071I think all of this is fine as long as you are not being annoying about it. Nufujos bragging about their ship being canon and putting others down is what bothers me. Doesn't matter whether it's my otp or notp people are talking about that way, it's always feels unpleasant to see.
No.10074
>>10073I never interact with people I disagree with, I just hide them (or whatever equivalent on each respective website) and seethe in silence. There’s no point in starting an argument about something that boils down entirely to personal preference.
No.10081
When will yumes fuck off? I'm tired of having to pretend I care about people's self-inserts when I don't. It's always shitting up character searches and yumes can never just not open their big mouths about fujos and how much fujos suck and how only yumes understand their husbandos. I want them to go back to being cringe instead of having to see ugly hetslop of someone's OC when I'm looking for art of a male character.
No.10086
>>10081My friend was surprised by this, she’s a fujo, but she didn’t expect the fujo haters to be women, she thought it’d be mostly men.
She didn’t even know what a yume was kek, so I explained it like this, imagine you read Twilight and end up shipping Edward with Jacob, then a yume comes in and says, “Noooooo you’re supposed to read it for Bella! You’re supposed to want both of them for her! you’re misogynist!”
That’s basically the yume vs fujo argument.
No.10090
>>10086I get what you're going for but twilight would be a bad example since they were written in canon to be in love with Bella lol. I cant think of alternate YA novels that don't have romance as a focal point but idk, anything but twilight probably couldve worked
No.10091
>>10086Forgive me since I don't use social media and am not caught up in this battle, but I thought yume was another way of saying "Self-shipper" as in "No Jacob is supposed to be in love with ME!" Kind of behavior. Is it not? What you're describing sounds like a boring het shipper.
No.10092
>>10091NTA but the venn diagram of a modern hetshipper and yume often turns into a circle because they project hard into the female character and use them as a self-insert.
No.10093
>>10091Basically Bella is a self insert for women reading, so it goes like otome games, straight shipping most of time it's just self shipping without needing to make an oc
No.10095
>>10092I was thinking about this the other day. Aside from me naturally being more into yaoi, a lot of het stuff has the boring female leads. The female lead can't be too weird / off-putting / unrelatable for a female audience (self-inserting), but she also can't be too ugly / flawed in romance subplots for a male audience (waifubait and wish-fulfillment).
The lead in mainstream het romance novels is usually something like a brown-haired smart girl who is still pretty and a girl-next-door, but she struggles with self-confidence or something. Pairings like Dramione and Reylo feel very same-y to me. Idk, I just want het where both of the characters are interesting stand alone characters.
No.10098
>>10095I hate the hold that Dramione has on the hetshipper hp fandom. Like sure, Ronmione, Hinny, and Jily aren’t unpopular, but they are only popular because they are canon which stifles creativity imo. I just want to see more creativity in hetshipper hp spaces. Like fujos are out here making novels of random borderline crackships
sometimes they are actual crackships meanwhile the hetshipper side only makes novels for Dramione or canon pairings. I’d probably read more het fics if the dynamics that are popular weren’t garbage.
No.10117
>>10095They're designed to be wish fulfillment for the female readers and plenty of zoomers and zillenials seem to have actual booktok brainrot that prevents them from reading any fiction that isn't "self-insert friendly". They feel genuinely cucked reading about a relationship that doesn't involve them which is why fujos not self-inserting is an incomprehensible thing to them.
No.10118
>>10070>>10071AYRT, I admit my wording is pretty bad kek, I'm probably worse in that I'm a crackshipper but I'm sometimes adamant that my crackship OTP couldve worked and has canon evidence to work out based on character personality and events that would've made them compatible (aside from the timeline preventing them from meeting properly) and I don't mind shippers that get canon wins for their OTP.
What I don't like however are OTP powerscalers who use canon as a means to put down other ships as "unworthy" due to the fact theyre not canon yet turn around and depict their OTP so OOC whats the point of being a canonfag if you're not even going to enjoy their *canon* dynamic and characterization?????
No.10119
>>10065>that came from hoyoslop>caused the uptick of insufferable canonfags that can only comprehend ships that are approved or explicitly implied in canon instead of just having fun making yaoiNo, this is not from hoyosloppers. It all started with YOI. You'll see this behavior all over /a/ homothreads ever since YOI happened and technically, it also spilled to tumblr which is also what caused the klance mess too.
Most of the "canon ship" fags are people who only like BL/Yaoi for the "queerness"
No.10127
>>10065>Oh god I hope its not the same post that I read that also had a similar thing described.NTA but do you mind sharing the post? I'm very curious.
> artificially boosting shipbait in canon instead of authentic shipping made based on the character interactions and events that occur in the plot I feel like the best ship moments are the ones which arise organically, and result in the most unintentionally homoerotic shit you've ever seen. I personally like to find these moments, and they all contribute to my understanding of their dynamic. With that being said, there is a ship which involves one half of my OTP, and it is arguably "more canon" than my OTP (although my OTP has plenty of unintentionally homoerotic shit, this other ship is more officially supported). These shippers tend to be very annoying and obsessed with wholesomeness. Many of them seem to overlap with the kind of people who say shit like, "why ship X/Y when X/Z is so much healthier???" I might just be bitter because this other ship is more popular kek.
>>10070>>10071This is so relatable, just with a different ship from a different fandom in my case.
No.10130
DeepL has a free translation limit. Fuck, we already have the technology and resources to make it free. I need to translate pixiv fanart slop because I've perused everything in English about my shitty OTP. I'm suffering. Can't we just monetize some moid-centric activity instead and make this, the one little scrap of happiness for a fujo, free?
No.10131
>Uke in my OTP is made into the seme or a troon in most English fics
Most of the fics are Chinese or Japanese so I have to use google translate but it’s so annoying how when an English fic does pop up I have to deal with one of those fucking things most of the time.
No.10132
>>10131I wish tags like top!character bottom!character were used more frequently
No.10133
>>10130What about Google Translate? I use it more than DeepL because DeepL usually starts spitting out random bullshit at some point, especially if it's something smutty.
No.10135
>>10131I can relate.
>Uke getting turned into a daddy dom of all things>Seme getting transed>A good portion of fics that have them tagged when they're just a BG pair>'lol autism!!' permeating a lot of what's written as well No.10136
>>10133Thanks I gave it a try and was surprised it is good now. Back in the day I remember it not being very usable, but I guess their technology thankfully improved.
No.10140
>>10135>Uke getting turned into a daddy dom of all thingsThis is awful too, but imagine being me and liking cute and soft tops and getting jumpscared by people who write them as daddy doms instead. I wish that trope would die, it's always ooc as hell and the opposite of hot, especially when they include super cringey dirty talk.
>>10139I feel you, I really have to question if some 'fujos' actually enjoy boys love as they seem obsessed with forcing one of them into an overly masculine role, and the other into an overly feminine one (or even straight up making the uke into a girl).
No.10141
>>10140Yes. I've definitely encountered a fujo before who comes off as more of a yume because of how she feminizes the uke. I've also encountered women who talked about how they used to like BL but now they're into yume stuff like female Hoyo gacha MC x guy they personally have the hots for so there's a precedent for this. I know it's possible to just like BL and hetships at the same time but not everyone treats it the same way.
No.10142
>>10139I was just scrolling through my feed and saw more of this bullshit and almost lost it kek. And you're right, a ton of East Asian artists do this genderbending shit. I think it was discussed in this or some other thread before that they sometimes admit to having genuinely homophobic views and "need" to make the uke female to support the couple.
>>10140Related but I'm a big, big fan of dirty talk but so many people are so bad at writing it. It always turns into the generic, embarrassing booktok level "Take daddy's cock, slut" drivel with no real thought or effort behind it.
No.10143
>>10142>dirty talkAt some point, I can't pick exactly when, but these bizarre OTT dirty talk cliches and hardcore bdsm practices got HUGE across sooo many different fandoms, and the lines and scenarios are so, so similar like carbon copies. So often it's just another bland 50 Shades of Gray AU oneshot with a yaoi pairing.
Sometimes I like to read fanfics that are amateurishly written when it's apparent the author isn't really familiar with these tropes just to see some fresh ideas, even if the execution is weak.
No.10144
>>10139If one of the partners is female or has female parts then its not BL. They need to get harassed into oblivion to not use any related tags.
No.10145
>>10142Sometimes it feels like it's done just to sexualize the uke even further because they want to draw huge hentai tits. Idk if people like this are closeted bi or something. Babies/pregnancy are another big thing, which is also why omegaverse caught on so much. I've seen stuff like 'I like these guys' friendship but I don't want them to be together because I want them to get married to women and have children' which makes me break out in hives. Even from a hetfag perspective you have to realise that you're still creating a scenario where the men's relationship with each other is deeper and more important than the one they have with the rando wives, right? Do you really want the women being undervalued? I know that shit is very true to real life and happens all the time but jfc, fiction is escapism. I love a good closeted pair of bros fucking in secret myself but if you tell me they're just platonic (but still each other's most important person) and the marriages are supposed to be legit then I just want these women to leave and get better.
No.10146
>>10140>they seem obsessed with forcing one of them into an overly masculine role, and the other into an overly feminine one (or even straight up making the uke into a girl)I hate this. It's straight up hotter to have a guy (yes an actual guy) get fucked by another guy and get flustered. Sometimes I will consume or create material where the character typically cast as seme gets fucked and broken down because the idea is so hot. I just want both guys to be cute and in character.
>>10142>Take daddy's cock, slutcan't judge at all, but calling someone daddy is kinda cringe imo
No.10149
>>10144People tagging it as BL are the worst, in particular when it's a collectio of assorted works so there's no way to know there's hetshit there until you scroll down/click through.
No.10157
>>10144It's too late, the cancer is inoperable. A while ago I was browsing Lupin III fics, and came across an M/M for LupJig. Tags were Cis Lupin and Cis Jigen. On a M/M fic. For LupJig. *Cis character tags.* (Theyre not anywhere near close to being trannies in canon). We've lost the plot…
No.10158
>>10157I appreciate tagging for tranny-fied characters since it's obviously not canon, but tagging for canonical traits is beyond belief. I really want Ao3 to add a separate tranny pairing category. But I know that will never happen.
No.10161
>>10158I know there are other fic sites that have tranny category tags and trannies over there love it, but those sites are also not as freeing as ao3 for various reasons. But I do wish there were separate categories so that troons would stop clogging up the m/m category en masse.
No.10168
>>10156Haven't read SD
so I may be wrong or insane but doesn't this person have a Towa pfp??
I'll never understand people that don't read/watch the actual thing they supposedly love so much and are a fan of. I just don't see the point.
No.10175
>>10168Yes and the scene they’re asking about is in the first chapter of the VN kek
No.10177
You need to play it up nicely if you ever want people to "warm up" to the idea of separating M/M to T/M T4T etc.
Something like, "I'm trans and sometimes I just wanna read t!fic and t4t fic but the M/M tag is too vast to have trans fic in consideration. And some people often don't tag their trans hc so it'd be nice to have an specific trans category like "other" does"
or something like that.
No.10184
A friend and I got accepted to be part of an artist alley, the thing is it took so long and I kinda forgot about it and thought they would not accept us so now I'm panicking cuz I got no time to make stuff, it'll be my first proper artist alley too. I could make my own stickers and prints and cut them all by hand, but stuff like badges or keychains? Doubt I'll get the time but I have hope for pins I might get something, not even talking about making new designs and drawings. The con is on the last weekend of September, it's a lot of time but not really. Pray for me nonnies that I get everything in time, I'm excited but at the same time I'm stressing out.
No.10190
Artist who drew buff male gay art switched to cuntboy, worse, giving breasts to men and softening their bodies to look like women's
It's just het with a male head.
I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!
No.10191
>>10190There is this flavor of "omegaverse" going around where the male omega just has a pussy and they grow breasts while they are pregnant and it's like???????????????????????????????????????????
>>10184Good luck with the scramble!
No.10192
>>10191>There is this flavor of "omegaverse" going around where the male omega just has a pussy I feel like this is literally every ABO nowadays. It's like an excuse to straight up write about pussy (not that TIF writers need any) but most ABO these days ALWAYS have pussy. Did people get too self-conscious over the lubricating assholes or something? In fact, I feel like more and more fujos are getting "icky" about gay anal sex.
No.10193
>>10192>Did people get too self-conscious over the lubricating assholes or something?Maybe this belongs in the confession thread but fictional 2D anime boy hole turns me on. The thought of a guy taking up the ass is much more erotic because of how tight and lewd anal is. You can go for the degradation angle too. 2D boys have tight pink holes with lubrication, none of the gross stuff.
No.10194
>>10191It's not even omegaverse. I've seen this for Lord of the Rings, the unfortunate Arcane and even more unfortunately, MHA.
But I find A LOT of 'fujos' in some fandom spaces obsessed with pregnancy, breeding, and goonposting about how bad they want to eat Character x's pussy.
It can't be closeted bisexuality because 80% of them are some flavor of 'queer.'
No.10195
>>10192>I feel like more and more fujos are getting "icky" about gay anal sexI think in the past these people would just not be fujos and would probably be in some anti yaoi group on DA but now the cat's out of the bag with vags everywhere so people who wouldn't usually enjoy two guys fucking can now get away with making their stealth het while taking advantage of the popularity of yaoi shipping.
I don't even write anal very often myself these days but I get that most people want to see that more intimate connection between the characters and will get disappointed if you 'just' have the guys do frottage or intercrural or whatever. So if they don't like dick in ass, they'll go for dick in vag. Or whatever.
No.10196
I fucking hate this timeline so much. Just go fucking write het stuff elsewhere, JUST GO, GOOOOO. Leave the gay stuff alone. I just want penises and assholes and muscles and male identities.
No.10197
>>10195>most people want to see that more intimate connection between the characters and will get disappointed if you 'just' have the guys do frottage or intercrural or whatever.Low level fujos, I actually find that the (somewhat rare) fics that don't even feature penetration can have more intimate moments and can also feel more in character. I wish people didn't limit themselves and that they'd get rid of the mindset that every porn fic needs to eventually have dick going into ass.
On the topic of pussies in
BL (and other things that come with it such as the obsession with pregnancy/breeding), I wish there was a way to express disliking it without people branding you as a transphobe and discrediting your opinion completely. Even just saying that you're uncomfortable with PiV hurts their egos, because to them that's clearly the pinnacle of gay sex between two absolutely real men.
No.10198
>>10197I wish anal wasn't the whole "end all be all" when it comes to slash fic and bl. I think it's hotter when they make out, hump, and cum without even taking off their clothes. Pretty much every m/m porn longfic out there will feature anal sex with a small amount of foreplay. Trying to find one without anal is like finding a needle in a haystack
>I wish there was a way to express disliking it without people branding you as a transphobe and discrediting your opinion completelyI think some people are waking up to this because it's starting to affect "normie" fujos that read fanfiction. AO3's subreddit recently had a vent about pussy in m/m fics because of retarded "trans character" tag and "character has a vagina" tag being separated and not having some sort of parent tag that encompasses both. They all used delicate language but it was obvious that people are starting to get annoyed and there was some tif who tried to cry about "cisnormativity" that got downvoted a bunch.
No.10199
>>10198At this point I would be fine with a cis and nonbinary and even neopronoun tag so it's no longer a statement about cisnormativity to leave the pussy stuff untagged. I guess things like "oh no he's been cursed with a pussy that has to get fucked so he can have his cock back" would be hard to tag under this system though.
>Trying to find one without anal is like finding a needle in a haystackI'm writing some related standalones right now and it's driving me insane because all of them are situations where there is no way to have pleasant anal and I want them to fuck in at least one!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clothed humping is kino though, excellent taste.
No.10201
>I don't like genderswaps
>but I'm fine with making a character trans
It's the same fucking thing.
No.10202
>>10200>spoilerNTAYRT but post it!
If you want to of courseIt's always nice to see and read a variety of opinions.
No.10203
>>10201I've seen this and it's usually because genderbends / genderswaps / ""cisbends"" supposedly "make fun" of being trans or don't "reflect" the trans experience or it's just making a character a girl (mostly).
Transbending makes the character a girl but with extra steps, and more often than not it really is pure self-insertion.
I know someone in my fandom that likes to think the uke in my NOTP is transmasc (and they never tag it, because they think it's canon) but get horrendously mad when someone draws the seme in girly clothing through crossdressing or jokes about him being a girl or seeing any genderbend art of the seme. The hypocrisy is funny because they don't complain about the uke though lol
No.10204
>>10198Based. Got a link of the post?
No.10207
>>10206>I’m a very asexual vagina-ownerMe when I’m trying to sound woke and express my distaste for pussy in my m/m
No.10209
I have so much bad art of my ship saved, and I have to drip-feed it to the LC bad art thread over the span of months because I don't want anyone to get mad.
No.10210
>>10207KEK it's true though and completely valid, just worded in the wokespeak they can't counter.
No.10211
>>10210>>10207I also choose to take the "wrapping medication for your dog in cheese" approach when mingling in public online spaces. I don't like that it makes me sound like a dweeb (I've gotten shit for it here haha) but these people are everywhere I'm not taking any chances.
>>10208Girl same. I've cooled down a little as I got older but the NOTP autism still gets in the way of nice interactions I know I would have had otherwise.
No.10212
>>10208tell us about your NOTPs here
No.10213
>>10208I'm the same, nonna. Having this kind of autism brain is rough. There have been times where I saw someone I thought I'd vibe with and then they turn out to ship my NOTP and I run a mile.
I try to just put my stuff out there and hope likeminded people will see it but it's very rare to get interaction.
No.10214
>>10208God same. I wish I could contain my spergery when it comes to my NOTPs etc but for example I hate old ugly men (like actual old men, not 30-40somethings) and smug "old man yaoi" fans so much that I can't mask my distaste for them when people start going on about how hot some ragged old fart is.
No.10215
>>10208Sounds like you might be doomed to a life of fandom loneliness unless you can find people exactly into the same ship, vibe, and dynamics that you are.
No.10216
>>10212I won't mention the fandom but the character I like the most is shipped with a blank slate (not a yume character, but the typical personalityless male MC) and that's 90% of his content. Most people don't even care about him, they just want to fuck him, so they use the MC to project everything they want (to be done) to them.
>>10215Believe it or not, this isn't *entirely* impossible, including having a similar personality to mine. Just like these anons
>>10213 >>10214 exist, so do exist people who may have my same views on a ship but it's still rare to find someone.
It's not that I want people to be 1:1 to me, but I do dislike shallow people that can't even say WHY they even like their supposed OTP to begin with
No.10217
>>10216Maybe not impossible, sure, but the likelihood of encountering it in your preferred fandom seems low (since you mention you want to talk to more people but can't).
>>10213Curious about situations like this. Even if you put your stuff out there, nothing prevents people from interacting with it who also ship other things as well. What do you even do in this case? Politely say thanks and move on?
No.10218
>>10197>fics that don't even feature penetration can have more intimate moments and can also feel more in character. I love those. I don't mind dick-in-ass but it is overplayed. Well written frotting can be just as nice
No.10220
>>10217If it's somewhere like twitter and I can see they ship my NOTP/are a yume/are obnoxious, I block. On ao3, I've tried to train myself into the habit of not looking at the profiles of people who comment on my stuff because 90% of the time I will see shit I don't like. However, the overlap between my OTP and NOTP is very small because most people who ship my NOTPs are antis. If I do catch an anti engaging with any of my work though, such as a piece of art that could pass as platonic, I instablock.
The other people who ship my OTP are the problem because if enough of them were to see I blocked them, they could start talking. So I just mute those. But if they happen to comment on my work, I reply as politely as possible. I recently considered trying tumblr again just on the tiny off chance that somebody like-minded might send me an ask or DM, it's honestly the only place I know of where you could get actual interaction…
Also, I don't care if people ship other things. In fact, it's a good situation to be in when you have a fandom friend with a different ship/fave to you, if that ship doesn't involve your fave, because a fellow OTP shipper / X fave person can have wildly different taste.
What hurts the most is when I can see someone with very similar taste who I'd love to talk to but they're an Asian artist so I wouldn't know how to even start trying to make friends with them. Probably impossible.
No.10223
>>10208I can't find any fujos in any fandom that I'm in that shares the same ships AND follows their canon dynamic without changing it up to a retarded degree. Like sure porn fics are fun to write and read but not when they're different people with different mindsets and different genitalia from canon.
I don't know how fandom became like this, it's so common and I know everyone on fujochan complains about this but man I just want one friend who gets it, even if they ship a differen couple than me. Feels like everyone is full of landmines.
>>10220I've had JP artists reach out to me but I don't do my reps so I leave them on read which makes me very sad. Let's all do our reps and get into JP fujodrama instead of EN fujodrama.
No.10225
>>10206>tif is a misogynist that hates her own bodywoah
also love that absolutely handmaiden cucked behaviour she had in response
>I am glad they informed me :))))These people are so utterly lost, she deserves to be around those who analyze every word she says and relentlessly criticize her.
No.10226
>>10225>These people are so utterly lost, she deserves to be around those who analyze every word she says and relentlessly criticize her.I know right? I was like this around my college years but at some point I got fed up with trying to reason with people who clearly just take it out on me that they hate their bodies cause they got molested as a child or something. It reminds me of how there's two podcasters I've been following for a while who started out their careers being crass in the early 2010s but over time they've been pandering more to gendies and gendie-allied people but as a result whenever they're even a little crass in their humor again they'll get negative emails from people who are upset cause they made fun of a certain musician or subculture. And it's no wonder cause they literally started to build an audience of people who are fundamentally insecure.
No.10227
>>10223>I've had JP artists reach out to me but I don't do my reps so I leave them on read which makes me very sadDamn nona, I'm so envious of you. Actually I have had this happen once before, but it was when I was drawing a rarepair in another fandom. Nothing in my current one so far.
No.10228
>>10217>nothing prevents people from interacting with it who also ship other things as well. What do you even do in this case? Politely say thanks and move on?For me, as long as the other ship they ship isn't my NOTP it's fine for me. They can like anything else, but if it's the NOTP, that's just nope.
It's like how an anon said either in this thread or another, that they wrote for a very niche ship of theirs and two people liked the fic and one of them was a yumejo that'd replace the uke with themselves….if that's the kind of "fan" you'd get I absolutely would block that type of person regardless IF they actually shipped the ship.
>>10220>>10223>>10227Eastern artists are still people, anons. They genuinely don't mind if you talk to them in google translate or straight away english. Stop being afraid.
No.10229
>>10228>Eastern artists are still people, anons. They genuinely don't mind if you talk to them in google translate or straight away english. Stop being afraid.My problem is that I still don't fully understand the etiquette in different eastern fandoms. I've commented on art before and I know that's usually fine, but I would be nervous about randomly twitter DMing someone even if it was a western artist. That was honestly one of the good things Tumblr had, you could drop a random gushing message in someone's askbox and it was pretty normal.
Funnily enough I did once make a fandom friend who I later met in RL through randomly Tumblr DMing her that later turned into RPing our ship, but I still don't even remember how that happened.
No.10230
>>10228>>10229Yeah I see way too many posts about the strict fandom etiquette in eastern fandoms that I'm too paranoid about breaking some niche rule I had no idea about when replying to someone. Every now and then a post pops up saying something like "NEVER do/say (a completely innocuous thing), it's VERY disrespectful in eastern fandoms!!!" and I have to wonder if it's just w/k/cboos making up shit to gatekeep their circles kek
No.10231
>>10229>>10230There really isn't that much of an alien difference when it comes to eastern fandoms? At least it can be simple to behave if you aren't one of those obnoxious people who repost politics all the time and shove headcanons down people's throats.
Some artists don't like people going through their entire media tab to RT/Like ALL their drawings, and also most of them don't like QRTs either. Saying things like "kill yourself" in that type of "I'm so overwhelmed I hate you" will just confuse them.
Most jp artists won't "like" replies (as in, won't give a like for every reply) and will reply normally or never will, and some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos). It's just kind of the same thing you wouldn't do to another westerner either (at least I wouldn't).
Really, as long as you aren't an obnoxious anti or act like a teenager past your 20s, most eastern artists will give you the time of day. What they hate the most about foreigners is how it feels as if "they can get angry at anything" so you have to be prepared to like all sorts of things when talking to an eastern artist. From reverse ships to gendebends to cuntboys to the seme fucking the animalfied version of the uke, etc
No.10232
>>10230>some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos).I've only recently started becoming friendly with non-en speakers in my current fandom and have noticed this (and now I do it too lol). Do you know any reason why they have this way of communicating? It's interesting that it seems there will be a conversation happening on a person's TL but you can only see one side of it unless you know who they're talking to. I also noticed that when liking someone's art, it's typical to just tweet about it instead of reply (and the artist, if following you, will usually like that tweet?).
Anyway, I rambled, but to the other anons… I really recommend it if your fandom is small. It can make your world a lot bigger and you can have more pleasant interactions, especially when maybe en fandom is kinda lame.
No.10233
>>10231>Most jp artists won't "like" replies (as in, won't give a like for every reply) and will reply normally or never will, and some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos). It's just kind of the same thing you wouldn't do to another westerner either (at least I wouldn't).Honestly I would interpret this as rude behavior myself, like someone is ignoring me and openly vaguetweeting about me and my work and I'm not meant to see it. I wonder where behavior like this comes from?
No.10234
>>10233I think if the tweets are positive it doesn't really matter. I always take "vaguetweeting" to be negative but in this case it's just stuff like "xyz-san's blorbo is so cute!!" I dunno how you can interpret that as rude.
No.10235
>>10233>I wonder where behavior like this comes from?I think it came from not wanting to spam someone's notifications?
No.10236
>>10234This kind of thing unfortunately drives me up the wall because I'm really unlikely to see it. I barely check my TL ever. Please take pity on autists like me and just directly communicate.
The codenames people use for disguising their character/ship talk also make me go crazy sometimes because it can make the posts blended in with normal tweets.
No.10238
>>10236>The codenames people use for disguising their character/shipYou mean like when people use emojis? I always assumed it was because antis couldn’t stop themselves from shitting up the ship tag so people use emojis instead because you have to be in the know to use them. Also helps with the language barrier.
No.10239
>>10238nayrt but i see people censoring ship names by leaving out certain letters, for presumably the same reason. or to talk shit about a NOTP.
No.10240
>>10238I meant actually searchable names but emojis can be even worse if you have some rarepair that you can't find any discussion on normally even though you know from pixiv some shippers exist. The katakana version of the ship name happened to be the same as some Japanese company name so that was all Twitter was giving me, and I assumed there must be a special name.
Can you even emoji search on twt?
No.10241
Just like everything else, gacha has become a wasteland for fujos while everyone else gets fed. Sad considering I went to joseimuke games when anime wasn't doing as much fujobait, but now it's either full on waifufag pandering, or if it's for women its an otome game like LADS where they don't like anyone making BL fanart or fanfics. Hoyo is still fujobaiting, but the company keeps messing with female players and will always betray you in the end. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that there is a fujo market for Bl with plots and stories. Not just porn games, not just self-insert. People want stories and plot in addition to romance. Hoyo sucks but it's clear they made it big and hooked a new fujo audience because no one else was pandering. Even new anime doesn't pander anymore. I'm sick of this cycle for fujoshi. Every time a company will use fujos for free money or fanart. Not even just gacha companies. Look what MAPPA did, Yuri on ice was a big success and it still didn't stop them from dropping BL to focus on WSJ titles instead. No one wants to pander to us and give us anime with the big budget animations, or the open world gacha games with the fun gameplay. Then when it's games for women we have to deal with yumes who shit on us and who would be more than happy to team up with incels to hate on the yaoi. Even the /vmg/ joseimuke thread might as well just be the yume thread since outside of NuC posting they're always shitting on fujos. They can be just as annoying as incels with hating on people who dare to ship any husbandos.
No.10243
>>10241iirc, one of the reasons Mappa cancelled YoI behind the scenes was because another company with a stake in the series had a contract taking enough of the profit that it wasn't worth it for them to continue with their current production costs.
Bucchigiri actually ended up having a lot of bait, but the writing was a mess and it couldn't decide what kind of story it wanted to be.
No.10244
>>10241>I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that there is a fujo market for Bl with plots and storiesThe market is right there tho and it's called BL. If you want mainstream success like some big budget gacha or anime unfortunately that's an unrealistic expectation (for now at least), but if it's "BL with plots and stories" you're looking for they already exist out there in comics, webnovels, audio dramas. I'd rather directly support BL creators and works rather than the dogshit fujobait slop in gachas or gen anime.
>/jsmk/Might as well rebrand it as the LADS general at this point. I stopped posting regularly after quitting Nucani early this year. It's not like there are any good joseimukes or omni gachas either, so there's no quality discussion to be had in those threads.
No.10245
>>10244Ntayrt but there is the issue that everything except comics are a huge filter for people.
Not very many people are willing to listen to audio dramas and probably less are open to reading web novels.
No.10246
>>10232>Do you know any reason why they have this way of communicating? I think most artists get a lot of notifications over their fanarts and may often have them turned off. If they want to talk to someone they specifically do like, they'll look at their timeline instead. So it's unfortunate for this anon
>>10236 because they actually prefer to look at their timeline.
Also, with the "cutting up character names / shipnames" apparently it's because they don't want regular fans to stumble upon slash content? But it's kind of stupid because it still ruins it for people who DO want to find such slash content… It's not the same using ダパ or something (for example) instead of the full ship name, it's too vague. Emojiposting can be cute but it's impossible to search.
No.10247
>>10241I complain about this to my friends all the time. Just like with the new PSG, they're baiting hard with the two male angels pushing them in advertising and promotions but give them noticeably downgraded animation and less interesting scenes in the actual anime. I wish fujos collectively grew wise to this and stopped giving companies free promotion unless they committed to giving us what we want instead of being cucked to settle for scraps and delusion every single time. At least people are being burnt out with gacha, a lot of the people who used to be big Hoyo players gave up with the new "government assigned BL ships" because they have literally no on-screen bait or chemistry between them compared to something like KaeLuc and HaiKaveh. They really thought they could just endlessly give two carte blanche tall males and expect the fans to do the rest forever, I hope ifaron bombing taught them a lesson. Fujos need to start putting their money where their mouth is, support indie fujo creators who are struggling and help them grow to send a message, volunteer for scanlation groups translating mangas and VNs etc. If hoyo BL artists put half the effort they put into cranking out pirate merman AUs into typesetting bestseller BL mangas we would be feasting all the time.
>>10243Yeah they had to hawk the IP to many sponsors because nobody wanted to fund a fujo slanted series to begin with, I genuinely don't understand how they didn't think a well-made, normie-accessible, dramatic romance about two attractive male ice skaters in an international setting wouldn't be a runaway success in a market that's extremely popular but suffering of severe canon drought. People saying that fujobait doesn't sell are delusional, the only reason the series fail is that they're not given the same kind of budget as other shows and the writing gets severely compromised because they don't want to go "too" gay. Like think about buddy daddies, literally everyone dropped that series like a hot potato when it chose to take the straggot route making them feel betrayed.
No.10248
>>10247>I complain about this to my friends all the time. Just like with the new PSG, they're baiting hard with the two male angels pushing them in advertising and promotions but give them noticeably downgraded animation and less interesting scenes in the actual anime. I feel like this has come up before, but how many people are actually watching the series just for fujo content? It seems more likely to me that people were fans of the original and were cautiously optimistic. It's the same deal with people who end up making Oreimo yaoi dj or getting into Warhammer 40k BL. It's not people enjoying "scraps" it's people having fun and shipping a series they'd otherwise enjoy yaoi or not.
No.10249
>>10246>Also, with the "cutting up character names / shipnames" apparently it's because they don't want regular fans to stumble upon slash content? That's exactly it. Depending on each person it's either because they don't want to annoy non BL fans or because they don't want to be harassed and insulted by non BL fans.
No.10251
>>10241After the recent gacha events, I've given up on them as far as fujo pandering goes. It's become really clear that most of the gachas that do have a mixed gender cast (mostly Hoyo games) don't exactly want to pander to fujos, they just want to provide enough crumbs so that they can pretend they care for audiences other than straight men. When you look at other gachas that are honest about it and have a male self insert + a fully female cast (BA, Azur Lane, NIKKE etc), you'll notice that they don't exactly have a
mainstream audience, which Hoyo very clearly is chasing. They want to have their cake and eat it too essentially. Joseimuke are slightly better, however there's still too much clashing between yumes and fujos, and even fujo-focused ones like Enstars will still occasionally throw some yume pandering.
There are still series that provide me my fujo fix, but it's getting rough out here. We don't even get sports anime that often anymore. I'm afraid this is also the result of fujos settling for crumbs time and time again, instead of supporting media that actually respects them and wants to appeal to them. If they really just have to play a gacha no matter what, they should play NuCarni, not a game that releases a new male character every 6 months.
>>10248>It seems more likely to me that people were fans of the original and were cautiously optimistic.This does happen, there's a lot of non-fujo series/games I enjoy and I usually end up having some silly BL crackships, so I can understand. But what I don't understand is people who seem to be into these series just for the fujobait, and they constantly set themselves up for disappointment when the series only gives them scraps.
No.10253
>>10248>It's not people enjoying "scraps" it's people having fun and shipping a series they'd otherwise enjoy yaoi or not.This is where 99% of my ships come from. I do occasionally read original BL/danmei/westernshit but we only have so much time on this earth and I'm not going to eat a rock because I know there's a cherry in there, I'm going to eat what's appetizing to me and sometimes there is a cherry on top (yaoi).
My taste isn't even GOOD. My ideal BL manga is probably just "basic bitch 40 volume super popular shonenshit but this time the slowburn romance between the rival/MC is actually canon at the end".
That being said I do wish fujos could unionize and pirate/fanmerch everything until the manga ends. Whenever I see itabags full of official keychains/pins/stands that I know were released after the ship has been canonically cucked I'm like "girl…"
No.10255
>>10247it's ridiculous how almost every hsr fujobait got cucked in favor of something else.
No.10256
>>10251>>10253Lately there's been an obvious trend of franchises deliberately getting rid of fujobait because they don't want the stigma of being a fujobait show (and want to compete with the rising Chinese anime industry), but they will still cram fujobait-y promotional material on everyone's feeds. The hoyoverse gachas are an apex predator of the industry doing this, they shit out 2 seconds worth of fan-commissioned fujobait and artificially inflate it to get people downloading the game and hope they'll stay for the vain hopes of getting fed when in actuality they're in for 8 months of armpit waifus before being tossed a short male that's more yumebait slanted than fujo pandering.
>inb4 lol hoyoshitThey're not the only ones doing it, they just set the business model up. A lot of posts on this site alone have been complaining about the lack of fujobait in recent shows and the ones that look promising barely get funding and the outright BL shows get cancelled or delayed, like who was surprised when the Nakamura-kun anime got delayed?
No.10272
>>10265Damn what the hell, that's terrible. I'm so sorry nonna.
Was it a recent pairing or an old one? I wonder if they got disilusioned or something
No.10275
>>10265This has always been a fear of mine, so I compulsively save everything my favorite artist does. I'm sorry for your loss, nona. Hopefully they come back on another platform.
No.10280
>>10234I think this might have happened to me once with a JP artist mutual. I posted some nsfw art and they liked it and then later made a tweet about how much they love [kink that I drew]. At the time I just thought they were posting their thoughts inspired by my art into the void, but was it actually meant to be directed at me as a conversation? I don't remember whether I liked their tweet back but I must have. That artist had actually commented on one of my pictures before so I assumed they would comment if they wanted to. Either way, I never would have guessed. Have also been QRT before but have only liked instead of replying and in retrospect I wish I had.
No.10281
All my friends that were into a niche ship not long ago all moved in to that nu-danganronpa yaoi and I hate it so much because it's not even good. I wonder how long this 'hyperfixation' will last but i'm just mad that my friends moved on too fast fuck
No.10282
>>10281The characters are so ugly.
No.10285
>>10282False.
>>10281What ship nonna? Maybe they'll cycle back around in a few months.
No.10287
>>10281You mean Hundred Line? I think it's a good game, plus the yaoi ship (which I'm assuming you're talking about) actually has one-sided canon confirmation, as well as THAT one ending CG. Why not give it a try yourself?
No.10289
>>10282I don't think they're necessarily ugly but neither of them are aesthetically pleasing to me.
>>10285Not naming the ship but it was from a fairly recent game, though admittedly the ship was also the most unpopular within it's fandom so I can understand moving on to popular things…
>>10287I'm not into the 'obsessive yandere' type of ship (which is most Eitaku fanart) and I don't have time to read through VNs anymore. It's not even a regular VN but one with at least several different scenarios and endings and I just don't have that type of commitment anymore.
Which brings me to say another fujo venting point, that zoomers nowadays are so easy to jump from ship to ship….maybe it's the ADHD in people but I'm the type that will still stick to a dying ship even when it was never even popular for years. There always has to at least be someone into (old thing) at some point, I occasionally see DRRR fanartists come around, the dedicated tiger and bunny fans, there are even still L/Kira shippers to this day
No.10290
>>10289>maybe it's the ADHD in peopleThe VN is over 120 hours long it's not an ADHD friendly game.
No.10291
>>10289I don't know if it's ADHD exactly but it's clear to me that fujos yearn for community, so when a new "big ship" comes along, they feel incentivized to join to get in on the hype.
Even though there are still dedicated fans for old things, I imagine they are pretty isolated and alone, community-wise. Creation or discussion just feels like yelling out into the ether with no response back (or you're stuck with the same one or two fans in that circle lol).
No.10292
>>10289>maybe it's the ADHD in people but I'm the type that will still stick to a dying ship even when it was never even popular for years. There always has to at least be someone into (old thing) at some point, I occasionally see DRRR fanartists come around, the dedicated tiger and bunny fans, there are even still L/Kira shippers to this dayThis is why I say they'll probably cycle back around, I'm speaking from personal bias but I usually have phases where I get back into a ship and need to catch back up on a fandom and read all the Death Notes stories I've missed over the last year or so. In that way it's never really jumping ship but putting something on the back burner. I still catch back up with stuff like Pamdora Hearts even though the fandom is dead-dead and re-read old favorites.
Also Hundred Line is massive, I'm still not done with it or even at the point where I can interact with the fandom without spoilers, I get the frustration with your friends being into something with no end in sight. Though it is a good game and I don't think it's fickle to want to play something while it's new and you haven't been spoiled.
No.10293
>>10282God they really are, I can't believe the character designs are somehow even uglier than the ones in Danganronpa. I hate that blue haired bitch the most