No.8865[Last 50 Posts]
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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.8866
>>8715>>8716My personal issues with Jinx have more to do with the quality of the writing than any qualms about "abuse". I like the characters, but it feels like the author has no idea what to do with them. Like she wrote herself into a corner and now she doesn't know how to get out because Jaekyung abused Dan to the point that Dan lost all interest in him and now it's too late for him to redeem himself and the story is now more about Dan's family trauma while Jaekyung is trying to shoehorn himself back into his life just for sex. It's stupid, if I wanted to watch a dumb roidpig pine for someone he treated badly I'd just watch normie reality TV. But it feels like most people read Jinx for the sex scenes and because they think Dan is cute or Jaekyung is hot but don't really give a shit about them as a couple.
No.8872
>>8867>i am confused when people make fun of fujos for only shipping hot boys together when literally everyone is like thisIt's just misogyny and making fun of women for liking pretty boys because popular with women = bad / dumb. Most discourse makes me think of Lindsay Ellis's Dear Stephanie Meyer video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O06tMbIKh0 No.8873
>>8867>>8872Inverse happens too even here. Can't like hot fuys because then you're shallow can't like unconventional men because then you've fallen for "ugly man psyop." It's all so frustrating.
No.8874
>>8867>old woman yuri and the "women" are barely 20I have this same gripe with 'old man yaoi' and one of the "old men" is barely 30 but that aside, the "fujos" who exclusively only do transbend/genderbend into yuri or trans ships I feel like they have that internalized shame of being a fujo, that being a fujo is stupid and cringe and fetishizing men while also having the tumblr activism mentality of "stop centering your life around men (and start liking women)"
No.8875
>>8873It goes beyond frustration being told whatever I do I'm wrong. I'm shallow for liking conventionally attractive men and fake or disgusting for liking ugly men. I'm a pervert for liking BL and a lesbian in denial for anything f/f. I'm lying about liking BL if I have a girlfriend and if I ever sleep with a man I'm simply a slut.
When you accept that the people throwing labels at you do not want you to enjoy anything it becomes easier to ignore them.
No.8876
>>8872I don't understand that when called out, there's always push back when it's so blatantly the truth.
Kids these days are aaaaall about canceling people they dislike but they turn away the moment it could actually help a person.
Not to say I rely on kids, I just think years of being a fan of shows with massive female audiences who get hate would start some sort of awareness that maybe people really do hate it because of the fans.
Kingdom Hearts was never kept alive by straight shippers that's for sure even though people act like it suddenly always has. All of this Sora x Kairi art that surged since years after KH3 wasn't keeping KH in circulation between 2005-2019. Watching Mouthwashing getting bashed until the devs themselves told people to shut up was probably the most satisfying thing to happen as a response to fandom.
No.8878
>>8866That criticism is valid, especially when the author had a similar issue with BJ Alex (to a lesser degree since Jaekyung is much trashier). They've never been good at writing a strong couple … even the side ship for the actor has next to no chemistry or charisma outside of the sex scenes.
To keep on topic to venting, I wish more authors were able to balance having interesting characters with their relationship. Every genre has its slop, but sometimes it feels like you have to dig especially hard in BL works to find the gems.
No.8880
>>8879I've seen popular "pinky toe into bear territory" art of some of the anime twunks I like but the second it's that stretchmarks/rolls uwu shit I'm out. I saw a pic for a zine with a couple I could only recognize one of and then had to dig into the artist's socials to see what character the other one was because it was so amorphous there was nothing remaining of the character to clue me in
(It's Sylvain). Artists who go so off model they are drawing a completely different person baffle me. Just make them OCs and call it a day.
No.8881
>>8879>Unspeakable monstrous creatures with inhuman genitaliaThis sounds more appealing to me than fat hairy men and I'm sure most of Tumblr would agree (even if they don't admit it)
Hell I'd probably be down for a fat hairy ship if a single person wrote it in a way that wasn't either 1. bland body positivity moral high-horsing or 2. just fetish porn
No.8882
>>8879Dear Tumblr TIFs, being fat is unattractive and you aren't somehow more sophisticated for claiming to be attracted to ugly / fat / hairy / "monstrous" men instead of cute twinks. Having a superiority complex over liking uggos makes you the retarded one.
No.8883
>>8882idk chubby boys can be cute, for instance I like the MC of Accel World. A lot of that stereotypical art they draw is just intentionally ugly. I'm kind of under the impression that literally any trait or defect can be made cute and it's just the execution that determines if it's good.
No.8885
>>8879As a debu fan this user is stupid. They're excluding chubby/skinnyfat manlets, as well as body type difference pairs. If you really like fat then contrast in types is great fetish material. Submissive chubby-muscular characters are adorable too but they've decided that "sub" comes with a strict appearance code to justify it not being "masculine".
>>8882I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat characters, they just enjoy having something they can draw that they don't fuck up. If it comes out ugly then it's still succeeding. Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between joints. Many of them are winging it with rounded shapes and repetitive body shapes scaled up or down. Saw one last month who had two characters who were the exact same shape (and therefore fat distribution), but because they wanted one to be larger than the other they were, literally, larger and the smaller character had a teeny skull in comparison.
No.8886
>>8885this explains ginjikas after 2018.
I hate human AUs and everyone's a fat nosed, fat bodied, trooned out self-insert.
A lot of non-human series I like often have humanoid AUs that their official creators make and they're always attractive. But the fans- that's to say, people who use being ugly as east mode, ignore them. Even this design, only asian artists are on model. It's like tumblr 'artists' abhor the idea that they should consider making a girl prettier than them
Bumblebee has several official human modes and all of them are fit and cute. And the one brown skinned, male one they ignore because he's very skinny. Kind of funny how Bumblebee has two female human forms though.
No.8890
>>8885>Skinnier characters require more nuanced anatomical studies and a firmer grasp of muscle shapes and the proportions between jointsI'd argue that fat people are harder to draw well because not only do you need to understand anatomy you have to account for fat distribution and how gravity/positioning affects it. You can see this lack of understanding not only in fat art but also the kind of hentai where boobs don't hang and squish haha.
>>8886It's before 2018 but Homestuck was pretty terrible about this too. It was the first time I encountered extreme transformations instead of just little tweaks like an aqualine nose or freckles or something.
No.8892
>>8883chubby characters can be cute but they try to virtue signal over characters drawn like ugly bastards like you said kek
No.8893
>>8892Yeah exactly, I agree with the nonna who said they probably don't even like them. Plenty of good debu artists and characters, these people just want a pat on the back for being different.
No.8894
>>8885>I genuinely don't think any of them actually like fat charactersYou can usually tell when they do, if they aren't already making blatant fat fetish content. It's like vorefags and detailed mouths or footfags and detailed feet. I think something like rcdart fat Tony Stark is an example of ugly for the sake of ugly while stuff like
>>8890 Homestuck fandom shit usually felt to me like people genuinely being attracted to their ugly art.
No.8900
>>8899>never turn yuri into yaoithis shit pisses me off. i have to see hundreds of genderbends of my beautiful yaoi boys turned into girls that is not even tagged half the time but if you do the reverse you will be called a misogynist cock sucking male centered pick me. yuritards get SO mad when fujos draw two boys in the utena sword pull pose they call it actual lesbophobia kek.
No.8922
>>8900>>8899It annoys me when twitter teenagers group yuri and yaoi together or claim yuri is better than yaoi in some way (because it's much less popular in fandom among women).
We aren't reading a general lgbt genre. Yaoi is by and for women, it's our own thing. Fujoshi have no obligation to make or read or respect yuri or have any sort of yuri alliance kek.
No.8925
Honestly I don't hate yuri fans until they start complaining about fanworks not festuring F/F. Why aren't YOU writing it? The reason why BL fanworks are so big is because we make our own stuff, do the same! I can see why they're grouped, neither of us are getting a canon ship, but yaoi fans have always been more proactive.
No.8927
>>8922People don't seem to understand that yuri and yaoi aren't sister genres.
No.8928
>>8926angsty magical boy yaoi would slap so hard, I wonder if there's anything close to madoka with boys besides Boueibu and Fairy Ranmaru and Dancing Star Precure
No.8930
Slightly unrelated, but has anybody noticed a weird trend in r63 drawings of male characters where they will literally just give the characters tits and then call it a day? It’s the opposite of the problem that used to exist where gender swaps had the male characters become skinny 10/10 women no matter what they looked like before. I’ve had several times where I was looking at ship art of two male characters only to look at the description and see that it’s supposed to be the “yuri” version.
No.8931
>>8930because everyone wants to be the most woke they can so drawing a man and slapping some tits on is veeeeeery progressive because "women don't owe you femininity" and also plays into the "this male character is so gender! squee! that he can be a girl and look exactly the same! i'm a theyfab by the way :)"
No.8936
>>8927This. It drives me insane that people seem to think yuri is just genderbent yaoi and yaoi is just genderbent yuri. They have literally nothing else in common besides portraying same sex relationships. They have a distinctively different community and stories, the tropes and style of artwork are completely different, the genres' origin stories and how they came to be are completely different. You can't just tell a fujo that she needs to love yuri too or else she's being a lesbophobe hypocrite because it doesn't work that way, it would be like telling a soccer fan to love baseball too because they're both ball games.
No.8940
>>8931Fujos need to go back to hating on female characters instead of this pointless virtue signaling. If they actually liked yuri they would just ship two women instead of turning two men into women. They don't care about female characters but still feel the need to show how much they care about women and the only way they can do that is by drawing their favorite male characters with huge tits.
>>8936They say that fujos who don't want to see yuri are suffering from internal misogyny and need to "re-examine their preferences" and force themselves to like yuri kek
No.8948
>I'd rather the uke be turned into a woman (女体化) than to see reversal, and turning them into a woman makes it so riba isn't possible
the shit I see nips say, no wonder they're still whipped into basically seeing everything subconsiously as man/woman and never actually liking the BL aspect of BL
No.8949
>>8948>Genderbends your uke into a woman and makes her fuck seme-kun with a strapon or futa dickNothing personnel, kid
No.8955
>>8948This is the one thing that I just can’t understand about Japanese fans and don’t think I ever will. They can’t decouple BL from heterosexual sex stereotypes in their heads at all. I wish they actually would just turn the uke into a woman and then fuck off from the BL tags.
No.8956
>>8955>>8948Every time I see this kind of shit I'm more and more amazed at how cucked into het brainrot Japanese women are. One of my OTPs has the bottom genderbent all the fucking time by Japanese artists specifically and he's always given huge tits and childbearing hips with overtly sexy clothing, the full sissyfication routine. It's like they have a compulsive need to heterofy everything and it always stinks of some degree of homophobia to me.
>>8949KEK
No.8957
>>8928I'm not really a fan of mahou shoujo outside of Madoka and Tutu but tokyo mew mew had that male spinoff
Obviously they're all lighthearted and nothing on the tragical girl level.
No.8958
>>8930Pretty much everything on pixiv is like this kek, though usually only one of them is genderswapped.
>>8948Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.
No.8960
>>8948I like it when the rule 63 designs are creative instead of just boobs. I've also seen it done where the artist will do m/m -> m/f -> f/m -> f/f
No.8961
>>8928>angsty magical boy yaoiThe official term for that in Japan is Kamen Rider
No.8968
>>8958>Eh, I like hetslop and boobs so it doesn't really bother me. I can see why it would get annoying though since pretty much EVERY BL ship on pixiv has some genderswap art.For me personally I like to keep that stuff separate. There's some hetships I enjoy like Cykesquill from Ace attorney but in that same fandom if someone made Wrightworth art where one of them is turned into a woman I'd find it repulsive cause that's not what I signed up for with that pairing.
No.9010
I´M STILL CRYING BECAUSE MAPPA CANCELED YURI ON ICE ICEADO
No.9011
>>9010I've never moved on either, you're not suffering alone. The only thing I'l looking forward to will be the 10th anniversary of the anime, everyone begging mappa to release something on twitter and Junichi Suwabe posting about how he's disappointed there's still no movie.
No.9012
>>8958> I like hetslop and boobs Me too, tbh even het ships are hated by yumes if they don't personally identify with the girl being shipped.
Recent example is some bunny girl figures that came out for girl Ranma and Shampoo from Ranma.
Akane yumes went into a rant complaining about how it's sexualizing kids, even thou if it was done for Akane, god knows they would have been praising the hell of it even if the figure looked cheap.
I feel like yumes are threatened of shipping in general, they don't want to read about interesting dynamics or potentials, they just wanna be spoon-feed with romance, it's lazy which is why they hate creativity and they hate that other ships or characters that shine more than theirs.
No.9022
>>9010Idk why they canceled anyways. It would have made $$$ for sure. Japanese fujos were obsessed with the the Nintama Rantaro movie and the Gegege movie. Yuri on Ice is explicit
>>9012These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?
No.9023
>>9022>These people need to be filtered out of animanga. Why are they so dependent on canon?It’s because canon shippers (antis) are so batshit insane despite their milquetoast taste, they love harassing shippers and making anyone that doesn’t ship a canon ship feel guilty. So now people that would’ve been regular shippers that didn’t care about canon in the past, want their ship to become canon and get to stick it to any antis because now the ship is canon and therefore the antis are now endorsing the ship by consuming the media. I get the idea, but really I want people to stop being retarded.
No.9027
>>9022Even if Yuri on Ice made insane profits most of it would have went to producers and other companies, not to Mappa, allegedly. They underestimated the anime when negotiating. Mappa is insane when it comes to milking a franchise too so I'm sure they wouldn't have made much from that and that's why they don't even bother anymore. Have you seen how they're milking the fujobait arc of JJK before the next season starts? That thing lasts only 5 episodes and some characters have more official merchs now than spoken lines in that season.
No.9030
>>9027>the fujobait arc of JJKKEK and i hope they keep milking it more, satosugu is my life and suguru is so hot (though i prefer satoru)
it makes sense that mappa ditched yoi then. though, for a studio that is literally built out of fujobucks they could have shown the fans more decency
No.9033
>>9030Money matters more than decency to Mappa it seems. As for JJK, I assume they're milking this arc so much because the next season will start in a few months and it would look strange to not promote it and keep releasing merchs of Gojo and Geto as teenagers. I wonder how everyone will treat the next arc/season despite Gojo being mostly absent in that one, so far I assume Mappa will focus on Yuta being a good sempai to Yuji, Megumi being a huge tsundere for Yuji until it backfires, Naoya ryona and Higuruma will most likely look slutty in the bathtub compared to the scene in the manga the same way Nanami looked slutty when punching the blond ponytail guy. However, my guess is that Mappa will milk the shit out of satosugu merchs again after the airport scene will be adapted. Cue another screening of the Hidden Inventory arc compilation movie in cinemas.
No.9050
>>9033if they were braver they’d capitalize on choso’s pseudo-brocon tendencies (even though he and yuji split up fairly early-on in the next arc iirc). i can def see them playing up naoya as toji 2.0 in marketing though, despite the fact that i think he appeals to a totally different audience.
No.9147
>>9146tifs are always such a psychological mess, its fascinating
No.9148
>>9146I actually watched this video and this is the gist of it:
>Salty clickbaiter claims to make a "scientific study" i.e. cherrypicked stat wrangling about the ratio of male and female characters submitted to Art Fight, keeps coming up with metrics pulled out of her ass to test until she finds the ones that suit her personal bias and includes a 10-minute derailment about the racial disparity of submitted characters just for pad the video even though it has nothing to do with the original topic and ends it with an emotionally loaded 10-minute rambling rant at the viewer, in total only 10 minutes of the video actually exhibits her topical findingsShe keeps getting proven wrong by her own metrics (Such as the distribution of the characters' gender, the amount of depth put into their bios, the amount of drawings submitted of them) because surprise, Art Fight slants toward female user majority, so she massages the results further until she can present them as evidence supporting her hypothesis. I get that being an artist focusing on female characters she probably has some kind of a chip on her shoulder about this topic and wants to vent but trying to frame it as a legitimate study when you can't handle the facts is laughable. People will watch this and hear all the big words and angry "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN??? WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN???" lines thrown at their faces and immediately posture themselves. The misogyny in the art scene is a real thing and needs to be addressed, but it has way more to do with mainstream media cutting female characters short and making them stick to misogynistic tropes, male art professors taking advantage of female students, male artists stealing female artists' concepts and taking all the credit, male artists being allowed more leeway and room to fuck up than female artists etc., not a bunch of teenagers submitting their yaoi OCs to Art Fight. But of course, addressing industrial issues is scary and might damage your own career, so it's better to just police other women.
No.9151
>>9146>accusing all visibly male OCs of being menum seems kind of transphobic to me sweatie…
No.9153
How does the Tumblr algorithm work? It keeps recommending me 3DPD heterosexual content despite the fact that I don't click or follow any blogs with it. I keep adding tags to my block list but it still shows up.
No.9154
>>9153Are you on a browser with ublock or browsing from the app? The 3DPD might be sponsored posts.
No.9155
>>8961Whats the most fujobaity Kamen Rider? Kuuga had potential but I haven't finished it
No.9157
>>9146>>9148It's silly to me, because I've done art in male dominated spaces, and on there you get a frequent excuse in art trades that they can't draw your character (unless you genderbend them) because "men are hard, I can't draw men, I'm not interested in men so it's hard to practice men." Everything is female characters all day every day, and males break them. The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. And yet we beat ourselves up about it all the time.
In my opinion, the most fun I've had with female characters was when they occurred organically in my stories, and the worst I've understood a female OC was when I purposefully tried to make them according to the sensitivity of arguments like this. Which, thinking about it, the last time I did that was probably ten years ago, this rhetoric has been round and round for so long.
>>9153Could someone you follow be liking it but not reblogging? I had the same issue with Cats the musical and was baffled until I got one that said "(Username) liked this" over it and realized they'd been liking Cats shipping but not reblogging it this whole time.
No.9158
>>9157>The fact female artists have a female OC at all, even if she's joined at the hip to a male love interest or plot companion, is more than many male hobbyists will do. Precisely. Male artists (who are often much more prolific and have more industry credentials than women due to the boys' club effect) hyperfocus on their underdeveloped female characters created as their personal manic pixie dream girl muses and do nothing but goon over them day in day out, yet everyone treats it as a force majeure that can't and shouldn't be challenged. Meanwhile, female artists creating content for their wish fulfillment male OCs are constantly put under the microscope and pointed out as morally corrupt wenches who hate women. And when they do create female characters, it still isn't enough because not even the people ranting and raving about the issue care about anything else than their personal feeling of superiority. Just look at all the "sapphics" who unironically think Honkai Impact the 3rd is a feminist game because it only has female characters despite all of them looking like generic oversexualized anime waifus and confirmed for being genderbent male staff self inserts.
No.9160
>>9154No, the ads tend to be like this.
Is it because I browse in incognito mode? Or maybe because the kink tags I follow skew heterosexual?
No.9161
>>9155It's been a while since I watch so the details could be rather off, but in general it's
>Kamen rider WHas the buddy cop dynamics, hardboiled detective (not really) x stoic boy genius doing the brainwork. It has an anime spinoff (fuuto PI) if you want 2D but I'm not sure if the anime was any good
>Kamen Rider OOONice chill guy x bratty monster
If you like a bickering couple type this will scratch that itch. It's my personal fave KR but also I'm a huge sucker for Yasuko Kobayashi's writing. The secondary riders also have very baity scenes.
>Kamen Rider BuildNarcissistic genius x happy-go-lucky single brain cell yankee
The yankee guy is also the same actor playing the actor in the Cherry Magic manga lol
I haven't really watch the more recent riders apart from Gavv so there might be others
No.9162
>>9161>playing the bottom in the Cherry Magic dramaBrainfart moment
No.9163
>>9160It's probably one or both of those. To my understanding you have less of a footprint on incognito tabs so it's throwing you the lowest common denominator content. If you are on kink tags that skew het it has simply mistaken you as a hetfag, especially if they have overlap with romantasy fandoms.
No.9164
>>9146Can't these people enjoy stories with characters that they don't self insert as? This is probably the reason why they break down so easily when people don't like their content, it feels personal to them because obviously they are projecting into the characters.
No.9263
When I was 12, walking through Chinatown, I found a figure of Aoba Seragaki… I really wanted it I LOVED IT but my grandma wouldn´t let me buy it because Aoba was SHIRTLESS…i never got that figure again AND I´M STILL CRYING ABOUT IT
No.9264
Is it normal to gain new fetishes/kink after that time of the month? I could've swore men in straight-up bikinis (tops and all) wouldn't work but it does now for some reason.
No.9328
>>9327I do know a lot of
lc yumes and hetshippers accuse fujos of trooning out but fail to realize that a lot of the examples they tend to post are also yumes/hetshippers and not only fujos. Like they're doing friendly fire because they refuse to open their eyes and realize that adding a vagina does not make it fujo even if they are being delusional about pronouns.
No.9329
>>9327I more just get annoyed when they try and convert me into a yume for shipping N and Touya from pokemon kek (among other age gap ships in that series)
>JUST SELF INSERT SO N ISN'T A PEDONo I do what I want fuck off.
No.9330
>>9328Exactly. A majority of 'fujo' TIFs wouldve never enjoyed yaoi in the first place unless they put an element of self inserting into it, except in a woke way so its not a boring straight ship like the other girls/yumes. Its infuriating on both sides and TIFs never know to pick whether yaoi is empowering (because it reminds me of
me me me) or fetishizing (because it makes
me feel bad!!!)
wish they'd all fuck off to real scroteshit like bara/geikomi where all the hairy uggos look closer to IRL tifs instead of harping on female fujos for being ebil fetishizers yet consuming their content and projecting their cuntboy shit on it
No.9331
>>9329But Touko and N has always been just as popular on the yume side, so why only talk shit about N/Touya? It feels insulting when people find a classic protagonist ship too problematic for age gap or whatever reasons so they create a selfinsert that has the same exact history and role as the protagonist character but just slap a Y/N on it. What's wrong with just aging up the protagonist if you care that much? You can see they acknowledge the canon chemistry but aren't willing to admit it.
Annoying as fuck that several pokemon het ships I dislike have been revealed as adult/minor thanks to the teraleak but the anti mob never came for them, they only care about the ships I DO like.
No.9334
>>9333To fujos, a male character who seems uninterested in women means it's easy to read him as gay. To hetshippers/yumes, it means you can use that 'your vagina is the only one special enough to change him' trope. Otome game love interests with a description like 'not interested in women/appears uninterested in women' is common and basically a signifier that he's Too Serious For Silly Ladies or his autism is too strong or whatever.
It's kind of different when the guy in question is also canonically very close to another guy or shows heavy gay vibes in another way, but hetshippers find a way.
No.9335
>>9328This is what gets me. The majority of "yaoi" fan art featuring a TIF coupled with a regular man is blatant self-insert art. That's not even getting into how hypocritical it is to consider TIF x male to be BL when you know damn well any art featuring a TIM with a female character would be accurately identified as not being GL to those same people.
No.9336
>>9334Yeah, like the classic Mary Sue trope that came along with romancing Spock because they were so speshul even an autism alien would love them.
I just find it irritating because they could just pick literally any other male character. Levi specifically was made to appeal to the fujo audience.
So when you think about it, yumes have no right to complain about anything since they also creep up on characters that show no interest in women, thereby trying to change canon just as much as the fujos they complain about lel
No.9337
>>9332I know that fujos can have their own brand of autism but the whole concept of selfshipping just seems like a way to make yourself annoyed all the time since it's based on something so fragile.
No.9338
>>9337It's just a repeat of kinning with the "NO DOUBLES" autism
No.9339
>>9337I just don't get why anyone shares it online. With ships, you can connect with other fans of the same ship. Who the fuck cares about Husbando x Not(You)? Selfshipping is so intensely personal. Even if you ship a tiny rarepair you can get other people on board with your work. At least the first person POV yume art with only the husbando in it makes sense even if it makes me uncomfortable to look at.
No.9343
>>9340Kaveh broke so many yumes, it's fucking hilarious how much his existence makes them seethe.
No.9345
>>9340Good example! Added this pairing to my interest list mwahahah
No.9347
>>9346>western cartoonWhich one is it?
No.9349
>>9347Arcane Transformers wombo combo with a dash of Mouthwashing for how talented so many artists are.
Pic related are all the couples in the comic run and labeled.
No.9350
>>9349Correction. I said Mouthwashing while my brain blinked after mentioning canon. I know JimCurly isn't actually canon. But the fandom still does the mentioned annoying shit
No.9356
>>8867They say they hate men but then they always defend male interests, defend the right for men to exist in fiction while being ugly but the only media they like is anime made for straight men to goon over because of some of those men are troon lesbians.
No.9357
>>9340I didn't realize KFC stood for Kaveh Fucking Culled.
>>9351I'm in a kid-friendly discord server for the free downloads and the mods who are always breathing down people's necks for posting the slightest blood or "toxic" ship were all excitedly telling everyone how they planned to play Mouthwashing and shit. I swear it was like Killing Stalking where the trend was mostly people claiming they were doing a thing for clout instead of actually consuming and engaging with the media.
No.9363
crazy how yaoi is in fact more feminist than yuri
No.9364
>>9351Mouthwashing honestly was the modern fandom speedrun record.
>Short indie game with dark themes and a low budget vibe>Some loudmouth video game streamer plays it>Everyone becomes obsessed with it in two days>Ship wars and accusations of problemacy>Tiktok dance cosplay videos>Edgelord adult artists make provocative art of the to "trigger the libz" >3 hour video essays about how the game is pro-rape>The game studio itself has to ask the fans to tone it down>Everyone forgets about the fandom in less than three months No.9503
>>9364I feel bad for any new IPs that attract the modern internet because of how insufferable normalfags are. Mainstream fandoms are now populated by retards and children, and grifters who want to profit out of said retards and children.
It's like every new fanbase is the Steven Universe fandom on steroids.
No.9504
>>9503Would it be stupid to say I prefer that to no fandom? I'm willing to wade through shit to get to the god-tier fan art and fanfics. There are so many series that I'm desperate for literally ANYTHING to exist and they've got 20 fanfics max.
No.9505
>>9504Nta but i agree with you. It's easier to filter through shit to curate your fandom experience than to have zero fan content and discussion. When i enjoy a creator i really hope for them to receive some kind of recognition for sharing their passion with the world instead of being ignored and getting axed by their publisher or platform
No.9532
Damn it, I want to post without having to deal with the CP spam!
Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. I feel like a lot of the peak tumblr was all a "you just had to be there" moment that can't be replicated anymore but I'm sure there's still some big scene for RPF fiction or movie ships.
Nowadays though, I feel like the people who like "realistic-looking" ships/characters are the ones often talking and complaining about real queerness and fandom activism nowadays. After all, movie actors still emulate real people, which is a different feeling from looking at anime and games which is inherently unrealistic.
Sometimes it feels like the Tumblr girls have/had the most fun though, although most fic always reads like OCs when it comes from media like that
No.9542
>>9532>Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. Funnily enough I was a tumblr girl without being into Superwholock. I started out in the tumblr Homestuck fandom because of all the roleplaying Ask blogs and then branched out into the anime side of tumblr. Most of my memories are from the Free! Iwatobi swim club fandom cause it was super cozy and a Free! fan introduced me to BL games on her blog by posting screencaps of Dramatical murder reconnect and this was huge for me. This is also bringing back memories of a prominent RinHaru(Or was it HaruRin?) shipper who provided translations for the fandom. I don't remember her tumblr username but I do remember that at some point she wrote an original BL novel called Fellfire summer. Meanwhile another prominent Free! fandom member from that time who also provided translations, aitaikimochi, has moved on to other fandoms and has her own webshop for imports now. Just realised this isn't within the scope of the thread anymore but I was feeling nostalgic.
No.9544
>>9532Same here, I've always found slash and slashers interesting even though I'm a weeb at heart. I never got close enough to those spaces to see the bad so I do feel somewhat nostalgic when I think back to 2014 Tumblr. On the other hand, a lot of those same people turned out to be gendies like you said so maybe there was a lot of current day fandom rot already brewing there lol.
On a similar note, I wish I could have experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took over
I'm a zoomer so unfortunately I became active in fandom spaces when enshittification already started happening. I'm sure it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but knowing that there used to be a time where people weren't obsessed with thinking fandom is activism makes me a bit sad when I think about it.
No.9545
>>9532Like
>>9542 I was around for Homestuck but there was a decent portion of weeaboo shippers/fujos hanging around early 10s tumblr as well, it was how I got EN yaoi and general discussion for a lot of 3DS/PS3/Vita games. It was the spawning pool for a lot of "industry" people who also may or may not have also been on /a/ and /co/. I'm also getting really nostalgic thinking about it. The post-smartphone pre-gamergate internet was honestly pretty chill if you learned to not engage with landmines. I even liked the tumblr/4chan cross pollination (does anybody remember "Indexer" from /hsg/? That's where I learned to stop saving tumblr thumbnails!).
>>9544>experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took overHonestly I wouldn't go back if given the choice. I'm spoiled by modern QoL. Yeah it was fun and maybe even "SOVL" to trawl through JP fansites for the good shit, but I definitely don't have that kind of time anymore. I don't think anybody does, not even the kids who are the age I was when I was doing all that haha.
If it makes you feel any better I think the fandom=activism people are either growing up or leaving fandom spaces. I don't really see that kind of stuff anymore unless it's reposted here and it used to be that I could NOT escape it.
No.9584
>like character from newly released thing
>fandom starts to form
>people start to grossly mischaracterize character
>no longer like character
I only have to wait until the fandom dies I guess…..
No.9585
>>9553That sucks. Is she drawing general characters or pairings? I don't play gacha slop but there have been a couple cute m/m pairings and I'm enjoying the art so far.
No.9590
I wish japanese artists would upload their genderbent art separately and not under collections of that character, specially when they draw them as titty monsters. It's borderline gross.
No.9591
>>9589Oh fuck yeah those two are hot as fuck. I don't like tragic stuff but the fujobait between them is very nice.
Sorry, some nonna's loss are some other nonna's gains.
No.9607
Scrolling through summer sales and once again lamenting that I'm never into the Big series that get reduced merch and discs. Closest I got is Tourabu and it's always the musicals that are too extortionately expensive to follow.
No.9614
>>9589this is so heartbreaking i loved their roscest
No.9625
>>9327>>9339toxic yumes will shit on fujos or literally any shipper because anything besides them x husbando is a NOTP and then invent a whole toxic conspiracy around themselves. if you are a very strict self-shipper, you have to filter out all of fandom or other fans essentially
>>9329I know it's just yumes or antis with an excuse to shit on something but do people actually see two cartoons from a video game and think
>OMG N IS TWENTY AND HILBERT IS A MINOR No.9626
>>9623>I like my boys pretty but I like them male!Same, that's why I was drawn to anime and ancient cultures where the beauty of men and the relationships between them was celebrated.
I can't stand gender bent, cuntboy, pregnancy, and you know what I kinda don't like femboys or cross-dressers all that much either.
No.9627
>>9623I like magic babies and mpreg when it was an actual weird fetish instead of an ironic joke. I also just want to see male homosexuals instead of pussy.
Fuck roidpigs, "realistic representation", hairy fat balding uggos, ugly old men, and women on testosterone. I want pretty boys. Both boys should be pretty enough to be uke. Men would look more attractive if they were less sexually dimorphic and masculine but I need the dick and balls.
No.9628
>>9623>Never have I seen women so obsessed with pregnancy….It's weird. Even non-TIF fujos I know in real life love mpreg. I have no idea what the appeal is or how it exploded in popularity.
>it's the only version of mpreg I can tolerateSame!
No.9629
>>9623>between this and the cuntboy shit I am just so sick of female bodies and bodily functions in my BLI don't get it.
>mpreg>but "he" has a vagina>and breasts>somehow still considered yaoi by the artist/their followersMake it make sense.
No.9630
>>9629It's self-insertion brainrot. This one time I saw one of those 'male' character OCs who on top of everything else was also obese and it was very obvious that the creator of that OC was obese herself.
No.9631
I'm anti-natalist IRL, but I love mpreg stories in BL/yaoi lol. It's not so much about the feminization of male bodies for me but rather the whole melodrama (and comedy?) of ukes finding out that they're pregnant and deciding to hide it from the semes through ridiculous methods. Bonus points when the seme gets upset thinking the uke had a child with another woman, before finding out that the uke birthed the child AND that he's the father. I don't know why but the whole misunderstanding plot and drama just scratches my brain the right way.
There's this danmei author who writes ten variations of this exact trope and I eat her slop up every single time lol. But whenever the baby grows into a toddler I just start tuning out because I can't stand kids.
No.9632
>>9625I was going to jokingly jump up and say "I do! It's what makes it interesting!" But then I thought about it for two seconds, and weren't the protags of BW older than usual? Like fifteen or sixteen-year-olds? It's not nearly as shocking, given characters that age in fiction are often as clued in and capable as adults, just in different social situations. The emphasis of the age gap is on N being an adult who has little knowledge or experience of society; detached but fully developed in his ways. This is further expanded on by the manga giving the protags jobs and connections in the world, where N has never had the opportunity and reaches out to them as essentially his first point of contact. Unlike real kids his age there's not much minor about Hilbert, he's very responsible and sensible as a counterpart to N. The ship is hinged on him trying to be understanding and negotiating with someone paradoxically less "wise to the world" than him, but who in turn shows him a way of thinking that contradicts what he's experienced. BW doesn't work without the maturity to accept the message of both boys and balance truth and ideals without stomping on either.
>>9627As an mpreg enjoyer
what's the point of sexualizing a pregnant man if there isn't an erection under the curve of his belly? Come ON, guys. Stop thinking about gross childbirth logistics and just be actually horny when you're doing freak of nature stuff.>>9631Yeah has to be a magic monsterboy baby that does cute baby animal type antics instead of real toddler stuff.
No.9854
I like young smaller ukes (shota I've only just been able to admit) but I'm uncomfortable about it. the discourse, accusations, and proximity to people who are actually bad trigger me, it's neverending
No.9864
>>9854ive come to terms with liking shota a while ago, being grouped in with pedophiles is one thing, people who think like that are just retarded moralfags who dont think through what theyre actually saying
what i really dont understand tho are people who claim to be profic and whatever but draw the line at shota. what exactly makes them draw the line there and not at rape or other "problematic" topics? either be okay with everything or nothing but you cant draw your line somewhere and expect others to do so aswell
No.9865
>>9854This one overseas fandom I'm in is such a relief, mostly adult women that are just having fun so it was a shock to see so many go "Holy shit Shota??!! Cute! Genius!!! Siesta wave!!!", I'd almost forgotten that thats how things used to be.
No.9866
>>9864they still probably feel guilty or insecure about it, so it helps them to draw the line somewhere, ie "I may read rape fics but at least not shota" that's basically how I was (without directing hate at others) and I see it a lot.
that, or they've seen too many examples who are messed up and therefore feel suspicious of it. I know what site it is but it unsettles me how many self-proclaimed pedos are on shota threads on /cm/ for instance, adds to my discomfort being in any way associated
No.9867
>>9864there's maybe another dimension too about what it means liking those forms, but it's not good mentally for me to go into right now
No.9885
>>9865Hah, I'm jealous. I just keep my feelings about shota to myself because I don't want to become the subject of discourse unless I'm in a proship space like the shota channel on the citrus con discord. Though I don't have any sort of guilt cause I know that cartoons are nothing like real life. There's small boys living in my neighbourhood and when I look at them I just feel disgust cause they're obnoxious.
No.9909
>>8865I want to participate in fandom, but I don't want to deal with all the gendies and puritans that are everywhere. The last time I tried getting involved with a fandom I got followed by so many people with tranny flags and pronouns in bio that I gave up in the end. How do you guys do it? Do you make your stance on all of this crap clear even if it gets you wrapped up in discourse and a bunch of people calling you a terf in qrts?
No.9912
>>9909I quietly mute anyone like that. They would know if you blocked them, but muting is invisible.
No.9924
>My obscure fic of a rarepair that no one else has written and has only 2 bookmarks on pixiv now has 3
>check it out
>seems they really liked it based on the tag they left
>look at profile
>long-ass multi paragraph monologue stating they are a yume, their long list of preferences, that they are not a fujo, but sometimes they read fujo fic and imagine the uke is their yume OC
>OK
I'm glad you liked my fic, but do you have to tell that shit to everyone? TMI in the most literal sense. And one of the other people who faved it was a (male) yume too. While this ship is very rare, I know there are or were a couple of other shippers out there… I just wish one of them would find me. I wanna sperg about it…
No.9925
>>9854I love teenage shota but I don't really talk about it because of the reasons you mentioned. A lot of edgy "proships" who are into shota act super obnoxious about it, completely ignoring others' boundaries regarding an issue that can be unironically triggering to many, and like you said the proximity to genuine pedophiles is disgusting. I just think shotas are cute and it's kind of a reliving adolescence through them as a boy thing for me. And I really hate how people conflate specifically things like teenage shota with loli, like none of the loli girls are meant to be seen as 14-year olds, they clearly have the bodies of prepubescent girls well under 10.
No.9927
>>9925Only tangentially related but I had enough experience with anime kids being way older than their size made them look so I assumed Tokiyuki was like 12 and then when I found out he was 8 I had a mini-crisis… Now I just pretend I didn't see it lol
No.9930
>>9924God honestly that sounds awful. If I put the effort into making my niche rarepair be known and all it does is fuel yumes of what is probably the (more popular character) I'd just go crazy.
I hope you can find shippers of your ship eventually, anon.
No.9934
>>9930It was a video game PC/canon character type ship, so yeah, probably impossible to avoid yume crossover there. My stuff actually did better on Ao3 but I still have yet to encounter one of the mythical fellow shippers. One day…
No.9936
>>9924This reminds me of the one time when I saw a jp
fujo 's profile and she said she mostly liked the hetbend version of her ship, and then proceeded to straight up admit to self-inserting as the genderbent uke. I thought that was really blatant, but I kept reading and at the end she said
While I think the characters (in her ship) are in love with each other, I also see them as strictly straight. In the end, a lot of people in Japan still sadly have very heteronormative/homophobic views, and a lot of the yumes like calling themselves fujos for some reason.
No.9958
>>9936what the fuck is this mentality holy shit
I guess they like the character's interactions but they can't deal with the gay? boooooo
No.9968
I'm feeling so doomer about fandom now nonnas. Are we ever going to see the end of "fujos are misogynistic for not writing about female characters and not playing otome games" or are we doomed to have the same misconceptions every week as new fandom scholars keep making the same arguments? Are we screwed because that ao3 list maker who wants to start smearing fujos as racist and sexist will never get a job and stop causing this discourse?
No.9969
>>9968I've been feeling doomer about something else. I can just block annoying people but all this shit lately with payment processors and collective shout makes me think that at some point AO3 is going to become a target because it allows underaged and noncon fics among other content.
No.9971
>>9969Yeah same, I'm more worried about AO3 attacks. I can always tell randos to fuck off online.
No.9979
>>9968I hate that the "they're fetishizing gay people!" discourse has evolved into "fujos are misogynistic!" I'm seeing this a lot in BL fandoms too. Fujos can never win. They tell us to fuck off from shonen and other non-BL related IPs, and when we do and create our own material with BL, we're told to fuck off once again and call us misogynists because either women are not present at all, dare to be villainous, or aren't prominent enough in a BL. Their opinions don't matter and no matter how much they screech that fujos are blatantly misogynistic or have it internally, they will never look at the mirror and see their screeching at policing a woman's interest is also misogynistic. Funny how they do this only to female interests but never to males. Ever. We're totally breaking that glass ceiling ladies~ Keep at it!
And unfortunately unlike the fetish argument, I don't think we'll ever escape that misogyny ad hominem they're currently using. I think fujos have to treat it the same way they did with the fetish accusations. "Okay. Don't care." They can cry all they want, but if people just "embrace" it then they have no power over you. Inside you know you're not a misogynist, and really that's all what should matter. Go make your own material if you feel so strongly about it- Oh wait, they can't!
No.9980
>>9958It's totally ridiculous, isn't it? I thought that she either liked the dynamic but only if it's straight, or that she might be a yume that had to cope with the fact that her husbando mostly gets fujo content, so she shamelessly projects herself onto the genderbent version of his boyfriend (who she knows she can't actually compete with, kek).
The western side of fandom is bad as we all know it, but the jp side isn't all sunshines and rainbows either. I sadly often see fujos who have 100% fixed no switching preference for a ship (fair), but then come up with
AUs where the uke is a girl, and try to insist that the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matter. But then they lose it if you suggest having them switch, or having the seme become a girl, and that makes me wonder if they actually like
boys love.
No.9981
>>9980>the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matterI hate this trope so much. It feels so invalidating in a way I can't explain it.
I may have seen it in a BL somewhere, where a guy falls in love with another guy for the first time *gasps!*, but then it turns out it was his female soulmate who reincarnated in a male body!
In my mind it doesn't feel like a true m/m pairing. More of that, 'see its ok! Its not completely gay its just that they love each other sooo much, the male and female that is haha!' Not sure if its done so some people take an easier acceptance of m/m romance in some convoluted way, but it doesn't work for me.
No.9985
>>9981I hate this shit too, especially when its done to characters I HC as specifically gay and not bi. I saw an artist do a hetbend of a ship and made the guy who has never once shown interest in a woman drool over the genderbent version of his bf and I felt physically repulsed. For some reason all the jp fujos I've seen make all the characters bi and cannot seem to understand the concept of an actual homosexual :/
No.9990
>>9981I honestly don't care. I think bi characters are valid but it does put into question why they did it to begin with? like what's stopping one of their past lives being both women? Does that negate their sexuality when they're both men?
No.9992
>>9981>>9980>>9958>>9936I see this happen way too often. It's usually a combination of
>Said fujo also likes to consume male otaku porn content so they have the same coomer moid tastes like lolification (making the uke into a loli), turning the uke into a girl to give them big breasts for paizuri, humilliation rape (as a girl), other deranged typical doujin type fetishes that you find in male porn>They don't actually believe the characters to TRULY be gay, they may like BL but are somewhat homophobic so it'd be better if the ship was straight>Lowkey hidden dykes that genderbend the characters all the time (similar to example 1). I remember there was a genshin FUJO(?) jp fanartist that exclusively drew the characters as girls, it was always male characters.>Some fujos are so absurdly autistic about switching they'd rather see the uke be a girl than to ever see them as a top>Half yumejos that don't admit they self-insert into the uke (jp fujos aren't as upfront about character thirst like western fujos, but you can tell when an artist favors the seme far more than they do the uke) No.9994
>>9992Fujodykes or "Fujo" dykes are actually based. Genderbent Yuri ships usually attract a lot less annoying men (a lot of straight men are grossed out by genderbent versions of their favourite male characters, idek if that's homophobia sexism or whatever the fuck lmao). Also it doesn't annoy me because they're just making it Yuri and going the full way. Hetbends are what I truly never want to see, especially since it's always the uke getting hetbended.
>>9993I'm dumb but what imagery? Is this why everyone is so aggressively convinced Geto bottoms?
No.9995
>>9994Yeah same, I don't have an issue with fujos genderbending both characters even though I find it a bit weird but fairly inoffensive, but the hetbending is what gets me. It always has homophobic undertones and there are enough straight ships already, no need to heterofy the gay ones.
No.9998
>>9993I blocked or muted that artist, I was sick of her for this reason. The funniest thing is that while Geto is supposed to have a pretty face and has long hair and an intact hairline he's still a much taller than average man and very fit, he's physically stronger than everyone else aside from Maki and Toji if we're removing anything supernatural from the equation, he's just a hot man at the end of the day. The manga's art style doesn't even reflect his beauty very well either compared to how Gege and some characters describes him.
No.9999
>>9996tbh I think this is still Geto's domain expansion and not Kenjaku's, it's just that Kenjaku can use it by using Geto's body. And there's also how Gege came up with domain expansions after JJK0.
>its very funny to see people edit out the kenjaku scars in order to make it a 'female geto' win when he has been long dead in canonIt's still based on Geto's face but yeah. What I found funny was how Takaba says Kenjaku looks beautiful and handsome but there's that ugly as hell scar on his forehead the whole time.
Honestly I hate omegaverse but I get why everyone jokes about how JJK is an implied omegaverse manga with Panda joking that Yuji made Todo and Choso act weird with his pheromones or that scene where Gojo sniffs the air around him and smells Geto's cursed whatever, the implied comparisons between Geto's technique and pregnancy, the constant jokes about Geto being a pretty woman and Gojo being "her" golder retriever boyfriend aren't even funny and the ones who take this seriously are straight up annoying.