No.10865[Last 50 Posts]
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>>8865Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.10867
I fucking hate Gotham fans polluting the Batman tag on Ao3, if you aren't using the comic characterization don't tag the comics!
No.10869
>>10865right now i just want to see my otp fuck. i'm tired of pretending like they shouldn't fuck or like if they did fuck, it negates any character development written in fic or any smart or fun non-smut thoughts i had for them previously. sometimes i just think character a should be taking it from character b and they should be making out sloppy style. they've had it hard enough, just let them be physical PLEASE i will write it i'm just so tired of feeling like i will be judged fuck
No.10870
>>10865"I don't ship them but—" is not the compliment that you think it is, no matter how much people try to push this shit over shit they don't like. I don't care if you don't ship it, I don't care if you like the work/writing if you don't ship it, don't fucking mention that to those who are actually shipping something.
No.10871
Asking for female characters in BL stories to be respected/well-developed was a mistake. Women should no longer exist in BL to make the yumes fuck the hell out
No.10872
>like both AB and BA version of a ship
>getting boxed into the BA side because the way the majority of AB shippers characterize them makes me feel like we're reading a different source material altogether
I want to see A fuck B in the ass but A is not an emotionally unavailable daddy dom and B is not a submissive simpering uke who doesn't know what sex is and I'm tired of blocking nearly every new acc I come across. It's not like the BA side doesn't have shit I'm annoyed with but it's been more tolerable character-wise.
No.10873
>>10872this happened to me in a previous fandom actually. despite initially liking both, the mischaracterization of A in AB made me lean toward BA and eventually abandon AB altogether. funny how that happens.
No.10874
>>10872and people will still dare to say that top/bottom positioning on ships doesn't matter kek
No.10875
>>10872I can relate so hard. I want both AB and BA, just have the both be in character. The juiciest thing is when circumstances lead to an unusual pair order while both characters ars in character, fucking kino
No.10876
>>10872That's sum-up my experience with my latest ship. The most popular option being just a thinly-veiled F/M bad boy and uwu girl re-skinned with two guys made me pick a side. But then the other side started to fall into the same pit and devolved into sex god dom and his buff slut malewife. I ultimately dropped the ship and fandom altogether.
No.10877
>>10872I generally prefer the characterization of B in BA but think B was built for either getting dicked down by A or noncon. It's a cruel world.
>>10871I have yet to encounter a yume in an explicitly homo setting. What is that like?
No.10878
>>10877>I have yet to encounter a yume in an explicitly homo setting. What is that like?The fantasy is converting your tragically gay ikemen husbando to become straight with your magical vagina. There's a whole FMC transported into BL novel isekai genre dedicated to this apparently.
No.10879
>>10877Apparently there are Aoba yumes out there. I’m pretty sure they’re the types to not bother actually engaging in the source media of their obsession, but like
>>10878 says, there are actually women out there into corrective rape.
No.10880
>>10872>>10875This is such a common problem nowadays huh. Some ships even get the worst of both worlds where AB is overwhelmingly more popular, so you get people shipping BA purely out of spite, and you end up with both ships having the exact same overdone dynamic of daddy dom seme x sub uwu uke, just with characters reversed. And the main argument between AB and BA shippers boil down to 'A is more alpha!' 'No you don't get it, B is clearly more dominant!', instead of talking about the actual dynamics between the characters.
I'm really not that picky about ship order in general, but characters being OOC and being forced into the usual and generic BL ship tropes is what puts me off.
>>10874It's not that positioning doesn't matter, it's that it *shouldn't* matter to this extreme. People who care more about which characters fits more seme/uke checkboxes than anything related to their actual dynamic *are* the problem.
No.10881
>>10880>It's not that positioning doesn't matter, it's that it *shouldn't* matter to this extreme. People who care more about which characters fits more seme/uke checkboxes than anything related to their actual dynamic *are* the problem.Strong agree, that very Japanese AB BA ship war mindset has always been weird to me. Both should work if the author is good, but they probably won't look the same.
No.10882
>>10880> And the main argument between AB and BA shippers boil down to 'A is more alpha!' 'No you don't get it, B is clearly more dominant!', instead of talking about the actual dynamics between the characters.One of my favorite ships is comprised of two characters who have very dominant personalities in different ways, and it's extremely frustrating when people try to eliminate that element of one of their personalities to better fit them into those boxes.
>It's not that positioning doesn't matter, it's that it *shouldn't* matter to this extreme. People who care more about which characters fits more seme/uke checkboxes than anything related to their actual dynamic *are* the problem.This is so true. It's fair to think something like, "A/B makes more sense given their characterization, but B/A can work in XYZ circumstance." However, so often, I also see people completely ignore characterization and make the smaller of the two characters more submissive, even if it doesn't match his established personality, just because it better fits the traditional seme/uke roles.
No.10883
>>10880I’m a strict fixed shipper and I wish more people saw and loved the characters for who they really are rather than who they want them to be. It’s annoying how common it is with people to change the characters from canon to be OOC just to fit their preferred seme/uke stereotypes. It’s like they’re incapable of imagining relationships/sex outside of stereotypes
No.10884
>>10883to add on: I think positioning matters a lot just not in the way these people think lol
No.10885
>>10881The only reason why nip reverse/anti-reverse is so prevalent is really due to character favoritism, really. That's what I've noticed.
The more someone favors either the seme or the uke, the more they'll exaggerate or completely change their character so they fit into that seme/uke label.
It's pretty much "I want to see my favorite blorbo always bottom no matter what" in most uke-biases and seme-biases just make them into a bicycle dildo most of the time. Although most people that strongly have AB preferences are uke-oshis
No.10886
>>10885In my experience both guys are nothing like their characters.
>the obvious self-insert>what the writer wants to fuck/get fucked by No.10888
>>10884Yeah, especially between two men there's baggage attached to topping or bottoming so the choices that push a character to accept one position (or not! in cases of rape) are also interesting to consider. Of course people rarely do interesting things out of it, because god forbid the bottom is dominant/initiates anything.
No.10889
I've always been annoyed by the people who make angry posts refusing to enjoy media because it didn't match their super specific checklist of things that almost never happen, and then start blaming homophobia and not a real fujoshi etcetera with bonus conspiracy theories about the death of fujobait.
Just seen what the Chinese MDZS fans are doing and good lord they make those western fujos look sensible.
No.10890
>>10889>Just seen what the Chinese MDZS fans are doingAny examples? I'm not into MDZS but I'm curious how bad it is
No.10892
>>10889Just saw something on twitter, is it about the western covers for the books? Such a nothingburger, why'd cn fans even care about a western release.
No.10893
I don't get liking female characters that have the most stereotypical writing ever.
The kind of writing that feels almost offensive, like something written through male lens, where women are reduced to being loud, jealous or overly emotional for entertainment.
I don't find it enjoyable to watch a girl being angry used as comic relief because being angry irl is not funny, nor do i want to see it in fiction. I dunno maybe its just me.
No.10894
>>10892I went snooping myself and am really puzzled. They are mad some of the covers have characters that aren't the main couple. I'd understand if there weren't large swaths of the book dedicated to characters who aren't LWJ and WWX but that's not the case. I guess I can kind of understand a fujo getting mad about something that seems to hide that a work is BL but it's MDSZ. The gay chinese wizard novel that has been popular for the better part of a decade.
No.10895
>>10890Chinese social media got wind that a character they don't like is on the cover of an American special deluxe edition. They put together some English language complaints to then spam in the replies to the publisher. I didn't cap the comments that were just the puking emoji fifty times but here's a rough collection of the different arguments they're making. Some of them are @ing the artist of the cover, there's quite a few saying the artist has never read the novels and doesn't understand the story, as well as ones calling them homophobic, despite it being the publisher who decides what goes on the book. I could have sworn I screencapped three replies in a wrong that all ended with "@(artist) you are DISGUSTING (puking emoji)", but yeah. Some are very copypaste, some are just replying fifteen times in a row in Chinese. Totally batshit. Managed to be worse than the western fans when they saw the font on the first TGCF release, and the wildest part is that Chinese trolls seem to think they can actually get their way by saying "you won't get my money, neener neener".
Please note that previous editions always had the main pair on the cover and people have complained it doesn't represent the contents of the individual books (where they are separated for long parts, MXTX always does long distance pining and temporary deaths), this edition is the first not to. From responses to the spam it seems the Thai edition has a few covers without the main couple.
No.10896
>>10895*three replies in a row
Oops.
Since I'm making an extra post I should give further context: there's some very serious individuals who are trying to explain that not showing a gay couple on the cover amounts to censorship for them. The original Chinese book covers cannot show any illustrations at all, just a title and some icons like flowers or a flute, so they are reliant on releases in other Chinese speaking territories to get illustrated covers. I've not heard of Chinese fans importing American editions though, only Indo/Malay/Filipino and Japanese.
No.10897
>>10895>If you don't make corrections, you will be resisted collectivelyWere large swaths of them even buying the English translation in the first place?
No.10898
>>10896>The original Chinese book covers cannot show any illustrations at all, just a title and some icons like flowers or a flute, so they are reliant on releases in other Chinese speaking territories to get illustrated coversI didn't know this, neat. Why are illustrations on books not allowed over there? Potential for lewdness?
No.10899
>>10898I think it's because they are webnovels (cannot be printed due to stricter censorship laws for print), so nobody bothers? It would cost extra to commission cover art. Taiwanese print editions don't run into this problem.
>>10894>They are mad some of the covers have characters that aren't the main couple.Social media was a mistake.
>>10895Beggars can't be choosers. The entitlement of people who won't buy shit is off the charts.
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY
>>10897Hahahahaha. Nope and never will.
No.10903
>>10895Can someone tell me in the most tldr; way possible what the fuck happens in MDSZ that causes this much mental illness? Every time I hear about MDSZ specifically, it always has the biggest schizos on earth for the most inconsequential of things
No.10904
>>10903If I had to guess: what's "unique" about it (or was at the time, there's tons of danmei floating around now) is that it is on its own a decent fantasy series but as a bonus the latent homolust a fujo would pick out between the male leads is canon. I think that makes its fans oddly protective of it because "by fujo for fujo quality longform media where the dudes we would have already been shipping actually get together" is something the community craves and this was the first to pave the way across languages.
I vaguely remember one of the early fan translators (if not the original?) getting into trouble with the fans for saying some shit like "here comes the seme next chapter" to refer to LWJ, so maybe it was always doomed to host the mentally ill.
No.10905
>>10903correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Chinese BL fandom spaces a lot more intense anyway, compared to at least western communities? idk if it's strictly a MDSZ thing
No.10906
>>10903It managed to get two prime time TV shows in before the Chinese authorities clamped down on everything and made production companies keep adaptations unreleased. Just has a super big fanbase from that exposure. Same thing in the west, those censored versions were made available on netflix and anime streaming sites so tons of teenagers got hooked on what to them was an exotic new thing.
>>10905This too though. Chinese users are fucking awful for trolling and rioting when they dislike something, and danmei media actually gets cancelled and trashed because of their shit. They're rewarded for starting malicious rumors and insult campaigns so they do it over and over. Western TGCF and MDZS fans might pick on SVSSS fans because "SVSSS is toxic pedo proship and the MC isn't gay", but Chinese users got SVSSS's comic shut down and made sure none of its further adaptations will see the light of day, because one artist working for the company on a different project said on her personal social media that she disliked MXTX's writing.
No.10907
>>10903I think it's just the usual fandom schizo behavior of hating any antagonists or characters who provide conflict in a story because they identify with the mc or the main ship so much. Fandom has always been crazy about characters being mean to their blorbos and all the discourse I see from MDZS is always about how all the other characters are evil and suck and only the main couple are great. Like how much fandoms sperg out about shounen rivals being "aBuSivE" these days.
No.10908
>>10907It's extra crazy from where I'm sitting in the SEA fandom, because they love Jiang Cheng and make cute fanart and ships for him. It's a really different perspective on the tragedy of family and societal pressures that they blorbo and relate to brothers of MCs.
No.10909
>>10908There are just some people who take it as an affront if something isn't always about the mc that they self insert onto and they get especially angry if the character other people like conflicts with the mc in any way. To me it's not different than moid shounentards who get triggered by male rivals for being "mean" to male mc, or yumes who go on tirades about misogyny because you didn't ship the "literally me" relatable shounen girl with a male character and instead shipped the male character with yaoi instead. There are a subset of fujos who see anything that isn't the main couple as a betrayal in the same way, especially if you like a character who was an obstacle, an antagonist, or if some people break up the canon couple and ship something else in fanon. Nothing is canon there but it reminds me of Genshin fujos who insist they're getting coded messaged from the devs and which ship is more "canon" and trying to bully out "rival" fujo ships. And if that's not an option, they'll just fight each other about what "canon" m/m ship is the best even if they don't share the same characters at all.
So tldr: its a mix of the usual fandom tribalism and over-identification with mcs. Even in the Western side I see so many people posting like Jiang Cheng is their actual homophobic relative irl who's doing them wrong. It's this entire approach to fiction that makes me tired of fandom lately.
No.10911
>>10910
That's fandom in general now with people wanting to be into the popular thing or jumping into discourse because they're bored and they get their information from tiktok or fandom wikis. That said while I've never read this danmei or any of mxtx's work, I'm so tired of the moralityfagging around this guy and how annoying that fandom is that I don't care how justified they might be, I want everyone to shut the fuck up and move on.
No.10912
>>10881>>10885>>10886This obsessive overarmchairing of no-reverses is so goddamn tiring and comes off as the kind of fart huffing similar to ugly male psyop victims, people don't demand hetshippers to make the woman peg the man and claim that everyone who likes the AB dynamic is a yume in diguise imagining themselves as the blorbo being fucked or treating the top as a walking dildo. Whether you like it or not in many cases the dynamic in the relationship DOES change when you switch the top/bottom roles around because bottoming puts you in a way more vulnerable position (which is NOT equal to "being the woman") and for some characters that can be seen as out of character which spoils the entire experience. You either enjoy it or don't, it's all about personal tastes and there's literally no point in continuously pathologizing the issue unless it's done out of spite, way too often it's a case of movie theatre grade projection by people who are actually BA shippers mad about seeing A as the top. Just block the people who are no-reverse if it annoys you that much, that's what they do. Let me be autistic about my character interpretation in peace.
No.10913
>>10912>Whether you like it or not in many cases the dynamic in the relationship DOES change when you switch the top/bottom roles around because bottoming puts you in a way more vulnerable positionYou're misreading my post because I agree, I just think if you're readng a good story then either or works because the writer will be able to capture the dynamic from both sides. AB and BA look different but its not impossible for both to be good. If it's OOC that is a failing on the writer.
No.10914
>>10912>he dynamic in the relationship DOES change when you switch the top/bottom roles around because bottoming puts you in a way more vulnerable positionExcept they get autistic about when there's not even any sex. They think the bottom should always be passive in all situations or that the bottom is literally them, which is why they hate the bottom having flaws and they hate when the top isn't a piece of shit. Whenever I see shippers always putting down a member of the ship it's always extreme bottom fans who see the top as nothing but a dick dispenser. It's fair to say people need to learn how to characterize or stop making ships into literally them and their relationships with whatever shit men are in their lives.
No.10915
>>10914That's not an issue with non-reverse which is simply about top/bottom roles in fujo context. That's an issue with mischaracterization entirely and yume retardation making them incapable of understanding dynamics beyond self-inserting booktok hetslop.
No.10916
A gravity falls comic popped up on my feed, I thought it was going to be some yellow triangle yaoi but it was female Dipper telling that blonde girl I don't remember the name of that she's a trans boy and how good it feels to discover oneself. It was the most braindead thing I've seen all week and I rushed to the comments immediately but all the comments were positive. I then checked the artist's account and she had like 40k followers. This isn't really related to fujoism but I do feel bad for fujos in this fandom because these are the people it is now composed of.
No.10917
I'll explain to people how I don't bother with most isekai because it's full of waifus and straight harem shit which I'm not interested in and dudes will still try to recommend their pedo waifu harem isekai slop to me cause they think I should care since they think it's good.
No.10918
>>10917Men are so fucking bad at considering "would you still give a shit about this if the genders were swapped?" in their rec lists. If R63 destroys the work in their eyes it's probably not a good rec.
No.10919
I saw this show up on my TL and I'm not gonna lie, I really am jealous. Not only am I jealous, this actually makes me a bit mad/sad. Because, what? This pair doesn't even have a year of existence as far as I'm aware. Most hoyo fans recycle their pairs every year. First it was Zhongchi, then it was Renheng, then it was Haikaveh, then it was Ratiorine, then it was Neuwrio, now Phaidei and so and so on. And every single one of these pairs always had astronomical amount of fanworks, fanarts, fanmerch, semi-official fan events, pseudo-"official" pandering, etc etc. And it both makes me happy in a "it's nice that people are capable of putting their love into something" way that people are doing so much for it but also fucking pisses me off that SO MUCH effort and love and care goes to hoyo pairs rather than anything else that could need some push elsewhere.
I'm astronomically jealous of how chinese gacha games tend to, even if superficially, actually cater to the fanbase significantly. That's why they get such loyal fanbases. Because the effort doesn't 'feel wasted' like it would from a JP property. The JP copyright law too also makes it so creative things like this become less and less common because JP fujos are afraid of the copyright boogeyman and don't bother doing anything more for that reason. Way worse, JP companies don't care about you either. Not that CN companies do, but they pretend that they do. JP companies will simply give you some regurgitated merch with the same official renders over and over, or god forbid some special edition chibis from a extra special event with a random chance to get the character you want and you'll have to rely on second-hand vendors selling that character too.
(Although JP fujos are slowly pushing back against this 'random chance' shit for merch).
Anyway, I'm so deeply jealous of hoyo fujos. The game can do the most bare minimum and they'll put all their entire autism into it. And they'll get rewarded for it too. It must be nice having literal infinite content.
No.10920
>>10919Maybe you should become a hoyo fujo then?
Don't get me wrong, the games are not great but if you are jealous of the fandom passion and pandering done by the company then maybe it's worth trying.
I wish I could quit with how the company treats it's female players but the positives you listed keep me invested.
No.10921
>>10920NTA but I am similarly jealous of Hoyo fans, but the games just don't appeal to me, I tried but the mobile game formula is so unappealing and all the boys are boring. The jealousy is petty and a "why the fuck are people enjoying x instead of y" but it is what it is. I can't meaningfully complain about people being creative.
No.10922
>>10919Why don't you create fan events or games for your ship? Isn't it just that easy?
No.10923
>>10921Understandable. I've been into gacha for way too long and so formula is familiar and comforting.
I hope there will be more big games/anime/etc. friendly to fujos in the coming years for people who can't tolerate gacha to get invested in. I wish I could be free from hoyoslop too but there is still one obsession holding me back from quitting. Maybe next year…
No.10924
>>10920I used to play Genshin on release and played long enough until Natlan release and not a single ship appealed to me at all. I liked some characters but it was impossible for me to ship anything. The "mandated ships" were just too boring for me and the fanon ship for the character I liked
kazuscara was just total nonsense to me.
Played >ZZZ and I had some hopes for Lycahugo but I quit the game before Hugo was released and even with his release I wasn't baited.
I almost tried HSR but I'm just burned out both of gacha and hoyoshit.
>>10922Massive community efforts that are pseudo officially backed with billboards of it and plethora of people into the ship (and counting) isn't the same as one person just doing some mini event and go. It's not the same feeling.
No.10925
>>10922I made one for a JP property and can't really recommend it, my oshi loved it but other fans were insufferable about the tone (bitching about it being a fujo game, bitching about the possibility of being a yume game, bitching about fanwork etiquette) and the worst part is that I got several compliments from other fans irl, so it was clearly one of those cases were people just mindlessly follow "rules" online even if they consume the content.
No.10926
>>10919>I'm astronomically jealous of how chinese gacha games tend to, even if superficially, actually cater to the fanbase significantly.I honestly think it's the power of the format. All of the ships are very low investment, which as we all know is appealing to the zoomer and younger mind because of the rise in shortform media (keep in mind zoomers are approaching 30!). Even older people aren't immune to this (sorry for liking haikaveh lol). I will lay it out:
You are given a short introduction to two men who exist in a slice of the world through a story involving the player character in that region.
Next is the homework: getting their info unlocks from either rolling them or looking at the wiki. Character lore is extremely frontloaded in gacha games. What comes out on a character's release day is very often the lion's share. Most if not all of their home region's history and mysteries are revealed by the end of the arc (~1 year).
Then you check in for blorbo updates when an event involving them pops up because their overarching story relevance ends when you move on to the next region, so you don't even have to worry too much about new canon material/characters coming in to fuck up the vibes you liked.
Also, there will never, EVER be canon m/f so you don't have to worry much about getting cucked at the 11th hour (a new male can still cuck you though, I'm so sorry capiron anon!!!). Remember to thank the next east Asian incel you see!
Hoyoslop shippers get to play with the dolls but only have to bone up on a fraction of the source material. Childe and Zhongli have not been in the same frame in-game since the Liyue arc ended over 4 years ago, but because of the size and stability of the frontloaded lore people are still slurping it up.
If you are a good artist you could probably use this to your advantage: start drawing FOTM hoyoships but then start sneaking in the shit you actually care about to your new legion of followers. Like wrapping medicine in cheese for your dog.
No.10927
>>10912>claim that everyone who likes the AB dynamic is a yume in diguise imagining themselves as the blorbo being fucked or treating the top as a walking dildoI initially posted about this issue in fujo spaces because I did see a lot of posts straight up admitting the top is nothing but a dildo for them and they just want to see the bottom get fucked.
>Let me be autistic about my character interpretation in peace.There's nothing wrong with preferring one top/bottom order to another based on how you interpret the characters, the problem is exactly the opposite where the characters get assigned specific traits (that they often don't have in canon) based on whether they're the seme or uke in the ship. No-reverses are totally fine and understandable, the problem is when instead of focusing on the characters' actual dynamics and interactions, you constantly go on and on about how A is such a seme, or how B is a super breedable uke and there's no actual nuance to the ship otherwise. If you don't do this, then my posts weren't directed at you in the first place.
No.10928
>>10926>Even older people aren't immune to this (sorry for liking haikaveh lol).Nonna as a hoyotard I will admit that every single hoyoslop ship is low investment bait including Zhonchi, Ayathoma, Wriolette, DainCae, Renheng etc. but Haikaveh really hit a homerun every single time and I will dig my heels in defending their writing no matter what the haters say, there had to be someone who put actual emotional investment into designing their dynamic. inb4 some sperg replies to me screaming this and that about how I'm wrong I literally don't care and you can't change my mind.
No.10930
younger top x older bottom feels so boring and at times performative to me. the reverse is so much hotter that's why it's a classic
No.10931
>>10930Reminds me of a conversation in another thread about conniving shota manipulating guilty older seme. I like it since I'm an angstfag and that guilt appeals to me, but someone pointed out that it's a way to level the playing field and make the ship "safer" which is true to an extent.
No.10932
>>10931>make the ship "safer" which is true to an extentHow is playing around with dynamics instead of having the same old one for the thousandth time making it
safe? I do agree that people pretending to like things out of spite/for the sake of being performative is lame, but that happens with literally anything these days so it's not really an argument. BL shouldn't be limited to just the 'traditional' yaoi tropes.
No.10933
>>10932The crux was that a lot of people are adverse to the idea of an older character taking advantage of a shota. It's either straight forward rape or grooming, if the shota is the one manipulating the older character and topping then it is a more "balanced" ship dynamic which is true and therefore it's "safer".
Wish I could find what thread it was in, she worded it much better than me.
No.10934
>>10933In that case, a point can also be made for the opposite situation where "proshippers" can't shut up about grooming, age gap, abuse etc and they force it everywhere because they believe it makes them cool and edgy. In both cases, any fan content they make is going to feel incredibly shallow because they care for the online points it scores them more than anything else, so one isn't better than the other in that regard. There are people that genuinely just enjoy small tops or enjoy seeing uncommon dynamics get explored, and it usually shows in the way they talk about their ship, so I think it's unfair to group them with the performative purists.
No.10935
>>10934I didn't mean to imply otherwise, I literally said I prefer it. Just that I can see what nonna means with people being too afraid of something and pivoting to what is deemed socially acceptable. Labeling people as "performatively" shipping is not the wording I would use. At the same time it makes sense that people wouldn't want a large age gap tied to their name and may be less inclined to ship otherwise. I'm also
>>10881 and maintain everything depends on how it's actually written edgelord Dead Dove is just as bad as people being too afraid of an age gap.
No.10936
>>10928>AyathomaAbsolute shit tier pair. Ayaitto is superior
>>10930Because it is performative. A few years ago it was considered new, but in the advent of contrarianism as a form of activism and being kinkier or more moral, it reads as trying too hard.
>>10934Proshippers tend to be performative, just like monsterfuckers and uggo aficionados
No.10937
>>10936>>10934>proshippers this proshippers thatI'm not deep into fandom drama and shit like that but why are proshippers immediately associated with shipping fucked up shit? Isn't it just not minding your own business even if you don't like something?
Is it because people who use that label are getting annoying in the past few years and I'm just not seeing it from people I follow?
99.9% of the time I see the term it's by someone complaining about something being problematic and telling a person shipping something they don't like (a proshipper in their eyes) to kys so I really don't understand the posts talking about proshippers being some obnoxious performative people.
>but in the advent of contrarianism as a form of activism and being kinkier or more moral, it reads as trying too hard.People get tired from always seeing the same things, give it time and a generation that grew up with what's popular today will swing back and start preferring older top x younger bottom.
No.10938
>>10937>I'm not deep into fandom drama and shit like that but why are proshippers immediately associated with shipping fucked up shit? Because the people who self-label as it are, I have never seen a sane person call themselves pro or anti.
No.10940
>>10930Like all things it's really dependent on the ship, its dynamic, and what you want. I've never seen Washizu (top) x Akagi (bottom) for a reason, some pathetic older men are just designed in a lab for bullying. On the flipside, I couldn't see top Ciel/bottom Sebastian.
No.10941
>>10919I hate Hoyo and wish they would disappear or fall from relevance but it doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. I don't blame fans for being passionate or liking ships. People who make fanwork for fun can do what they want regardless of how "canon" a ship is, I'm not one of the anons who thinks people should only be into canon pairings. What I hate about Hoyo is how deceitful the company is, how fans will argue and be schizo about what ship is "implied" even if the company baits several pairings, how ships are treated like flavor of the month garbage and where people obsess more over what's the top ship or what's charting. Meanwhile very few of these ships have the same lore presence or actual story as the self-insert pandering ships or even some yuri. The fandom carries it, but what I hate the most about Hoyo is how they weaponize fan content. They make people think there's more than there is even though they pump out more official art or comm artists while the bulk of their games are still about waifus. And the fans think Hoyo games are the best stories ever because they won't touch other games.
>>10928You can like them but Haikavehfags are absolutely annoying because of this superiority complex and started this whole harassment over "implied ships" and letting people think Hoyo feeds fujos so much when the most "canon" ship are guys who get reduced to bland fanservice and who aren't even the big lore players. I don't care if people like it but Hoyoheads need to shut the fuck up about how "queer" the game is when it's not and when they ignore other joseimuke games because it's not from that company.
No.10942
>>10941You know an awful lot about Hoyo fandom despite hating Hoyo, are you mad the company is not pandering to your tastes in particular?
>what I hate the most about Hoyo is how they weaponize fan content.Isn't this what any competent big company should do? Hoyo sucks and treats female players like second class citizens but "weaponizing fan content" is a funny thing to complain about.
>Haikavehfags are absolutely annoying because of this superiority complex and started this whole harassment over "implied ships" and letting people think Hoyo feeds fujos so much when the most "canon" ship are guys who get reduced to bland fanservice and who aren't even the big lore playersWhy would something like this bother you, would you prefer the ship wasn't pushed by hoyo or would you prefer it was some other ship instead? Is it bad that Hoyo gives fujos enough food to claim the relationship is heavily implied? The conversation about "implied ships" is rampant in every fandom that has enough material to work with, it's in no way Hoyo exclusive. Fucking hell I check almost every new gacha release, be it usual coomerbait or something that's more for normies and it's always so fucking empty in the department of relationships between the characters, it's fucking sad to see.
>when they ignore other joseimuke games because it's not from that company.There are no games on the market with Hoyo polish and level of bait, at least not in the gacha genre.
I personally don't like joseimuke games in general, I want regular good games that have male characters with interesting relationships and these are actually rare.
No.10943
>>10937>but why are proshippers immediately associated with shipping fucked up shit?To be a "proshipper" means that you don't give a fuck what people ship. But this "not giving a fuck" means that you give leeway to shipping "ilegal ships"(lol) so you don't care if someone likes incest, shota, rape, etc.
This "not caring" is the same as being complicit to some people.
And well, to be fair, a lot of self-proclaimed proshippers do ship aforementioned type of ships.
I think I saw more of those 'proship' people who just amp up everything to 11 to appear as edgy as possible only during 2021-2022 but I don't see them as much now.
Anyway, in regards to the young top x older bottom thing, I genuinely do like it and I hate when people try to say that you only like it because you hate to see a shota be fucked. I like shotas being fucked, molested and whatever if you will but it depends on the character and the ship dynamic for me.
I can't see something like gaku x satoru with satoru top when the very foundation of that ship to begin with is creepy pedo teacher stalking a boy for example. But I can enjoy something like shota oni for what it is and it's cute to see when boys have a crush on an older man themselves.
No.10944
>>10942To me a lot of the hate Haikaveh receives boils down to envy and jealousy over how well its shippers were fed compared to zhongchi (swiftly forgotten after 1.1), ayathoma (never happened), wriolette (barely existed), ifaron (dead upon arrival) and all the inexplicably popular crackships like ittogorou. Alhaitham and Kaveh were the only couple that didn't include yumebait and didn't flirt with the traveler and had deeply emotional connection with each other that the game didn't shy away from showing to the player and even their entire designs were made to be mirrors of each other. It's understandable if you hate their dynamic and don't like them as characters yet have to watch them get the 15th event where they flirt with each other while your own tall male ship rots forgotten in the dump but I wish they took it out on mihoyo being stingy with their fujopandering than those who actually found happiness in a ship that's so staunchly supported by at least someone in that piece of shit studio.
No.10945
>>10944Haikaveh feels like they got an actual fujo on board to meticulously craft the ultimate fujobait in all of Genshin and it worked marvelously imo. Because it's the only ship that has that feeling of "would be official if not for being men and being a chinese game" that makes people confident in shipping them since Kaveh is absolutely not baited with Traveler and neither is Haitham despite tons of Ham yume seethe.
Wriolette came post-haikaveh and they did everything in their power to make it "sucessful" (onoD/kamiyan duo) but it has nowhere near the love or flavor. The same is happening with varka/flins where they're using the VAs as bait (nakasugita) but it's also not having nearly the same pull.
The same fujo who made Haikaveh is probably the same one who made Phaidei, but Haikaveh doesn't have the universe-shattering angst of Phadei so it also appeals to people who simply want something "cute, domestic and soft"
No.10946
>>10945>Kaveh is absolutely not baited with Traveler and neither is Haitham despite tons of Ham yume seethe.One thing I appreciate about genshin over HSR is low little yume pandering there is. I did drop genshin but damn, not having to coexist and share the characters with loud yumes is a blessing. Is it that hard make separate males for yumepandering and homopandering? It's not like HSR is lacking male characters… Feels like it's done purely out of spite and to make female players fight.
No.10947
>>10945Wriolette's traction was definitely dented by the amount of Neuvilette x Furina/Focalors bait they stuffed in to the last third of the story because iirc it became the most popular straight ship in the game because a lot of hetshippers loved the gentle caregiver x girlfailure dynamic. His relationship with Wriothesley was crippled with allegations of muh grooming because Neuvilette had been described to been invested in Wriothesley's case since he was a minor, and because Wriothesley simply didn't receive as much screentime as Kaveh did in the later events and Alhaitham's story quest.
The big appeal of Haikaveh was the fact how the stoic Alhaitham who didn't give a shit about anyone else was suddenly pushing extra hours just to make Kaveh's already hard life easier and how Kaveh seemed to see the tenderness in him that nobody else did, iirc even the Japanese VAs talked about how perfect they were for each other. They had a lot of subtlety written in that seemed genuine, much like Diluc and Kaeya who were the angsty childhood friends to enemies trope. When it comes to Varka x Flins I've seen people way more invested in Rerir x Flins because they have that same flavor of stakes than just two attractive men standing next to each other (looking at you Ifaron which was also mogged hard by Capitano x Ororon).
>>10946Sadly it feels like Genshin is also slipping into making just yumebait. Wanderer being obsessed with (you) was such a huge cash cow that they pushed it with turning Flins into a shadow daddy. I think it's because they really want to chase the yume audience after seeing the numbers LADS is hitting while fujos are given whatever's left over.
No.10949
>>10928This is true, it punches above its weight.
>>10942>I personally don't like joseimuke games in general, I want regular good games that have male characters with interesting relationships and these are actually rare.This is also my problem. I am impossible to pander to because my ideal BL game is just "150 hour JRPG but the MC/rival(or antagonist) homolust is now canon at the end". Joseimuke games don't get that kind of budget.
>>10924>I had some hopes for Lycahugo but I quit the game before Hugo was released and even with his release I wasn't baited.I still play and they both simp too hard for Phaethon for the ship to get its hooks in me. I think that's ZZZ's biggest failure: most of the intra-cast ships are completely cucked by Phaethon. Even the sainted "friends to enemies to lovers" dynamic could not peel them away from all of the romantically charged shit they say to the MC. It's a lot like FFXIV in this regard.
No.10950
>>10934>>10935I genuinely like younger (not necessarily shota) tops x older bottoms with interesting and fucked up dynamics that would get me labelled as proshipper. Not safe ships with the "uwu get this himbo pregnant" shit. Not into old man yaoi stuff tho.
In general, performative shipping is very annoying, coming from someone who enjoys unfixed pairings and subversive dynamics. I wish we could all get along the best we can with our preferences and landmines. I don't thinking liking someone unpopular makes someone more interesting / "better" than someone who likes a traditional or popular dynamic or thing in general.
No.10954
>>10950Yeah I'm someone who likes most of the "classic ships" like bigger top smaller bottom and older top and younger bottom etc. and I don't have any problem with people who like older/bigger bottoms, good for them, but the performative people piss me off so much. I get it you're being subversive for liking the opposite of what's popular, we all get it, good job, have a gold star. Bragging about having "unconventional" tastes makes them sound so insecure about what they actually like.
But way worse are the people who start claiming that you're enforcing "heteronormativity" because you like smaller or effeminate bottoms, it comes off as bitter. Like do these people also think butch and femme couples in GL are "heteronormative" or do they just want to whine about fujos? Actually, I'll answer my own question. Yes they do, in 9 out of 10 cases they're hetshippers who try to use this as a "gotcha" to shame fujos into creating hetslop.
No.10955
>>10912>Whether you like it or not in many cases the dynamic in the relationship DOES change when you switch the top/bottom roles No shit. What does this has to do with the characters being basically OCs and walking stereotype.
>just block if you don't like itYes? This is the venting thread.
No.10956
>>10933It certainly makes it easier to separate this dynamic from real life issues, which is always the problem with shota. But it's only "safer" because it is a completely different kind of fantasy/appeal (humiliating the traditional masculine character).
No.10960
Reminded me how I endured the husbandos were heavily slandered while the waifus are fiercely defended by incel simps, realizing I hate spineless beta men with dommy muscle mommy obsession who wanted to get their dick flattened, I see them a lot in reddit an twitter
People can shit on short femboys but one critic on muscle mommies it's 'baaaaw, misogynist, u a coward for hatin' girls with abs'
We do lived in waifu-worshipping sims and femcel yuritards era.
No.10962
>>10960Honestly anyone who uses stock phrases for characters like that is a major red flag imo. If you like a character I want to hear why not just that he's a "twink" or she's a "muscle mommy."
I don't know, I don't want to be a stick in the mud, but it devalues the work and comes off as low effort engagement with the source material.
No.10965
>>10954>Bragging about having "unconventional" tastes makes them sound so insecure about what they actually like.AYRT In general it's better and more sincere to focus on the thing you like itself instead of the fact that you are liking whatever thing. Social media ruined people. It's not about me or my identity as an XYZ-liker, it's about what I like lmao. I see this behavior more and more in general.
>people who start claiming that you're enforcing "heteronormativity" because you like smaller or effeminate bottomslmao in a lot of cases it just makes more sense too from a character perspective. or just that it's hotter. sue me, i'm also sick of whiners as well.
>>10956>humiliating the traditional masculine characterfuck yes! yes yes yes yes yes
No.10966
>>10962Usually I invested in story first, liking characters come later. Smh I found it disrespectful to the author. Muscle girls are cool but the beta simp gooners and sjw yuritards ruined the vibes, I found them hypocrite.
Anyway, is it true that it's misogynistic to dislike muscle mommies?
As a woman, sometimes I find them cool but mostly disgusted especially if they had shitty personality and one-dimensional lesbo man-hater go ooga booga, only few are decent.
No.10967
There's some guys I know who are constantly playing new gachas and one of them talked about a game he calls "CZN" (Chaos zero nightmare, I assume) where the devs are giving the players 50 premium summons over 5 weeks cause "the korean playerbase got mad that a teenage boy is getting more screentime than they like." The roster looks waifu-heavy so I dunno if it was ever going to get a female fanbase anyway let alone a fujo one but if there are any they must've gotten the message that they're gonna be second class citizens here. Very typical.
No.10969
Is it true that "yaoi" is an outdated term or is that a myth?
No.10972
>>10969I see Japanese people use BL or fumuke 腐向け to refer to it or yaoi works, not yaoi. The yaoi tag for fandoms on pixiv is usually the series name with the fu character 腐 added in
No.10981
>>10967This post made me think about gacha incel fanbases and I realized they've only gotten this bad ever since Genshin Impact and CN and KR gacha in general broke into the mainstream. I don't recall that many instances of dudes getting mad that male characters exist in their waifu paradises before except a few idol franchises (and idol series have always attracted obsessive people). Same with yumes who hate fujos too actually, I don't think they were ever as bad in the past as the average LADS fan is now. There is something about CN/KR gacha and the kind of people they attract that's just straight up radioactive, but I don't know what it is since I don't play gacha.
No.10986
>>10919CN shippers of Phaidei are crazy talented and dedicated to the ship yes, but have you seen the kind of fans this ship has, specially in the west? Schizo vent ahead:
I was rooting hard for Phaidei even before 3.0 but kind of lost interest after 3.1 once Mydei got kicked out from the story and Phainon started sucking off the tb. I moved onto crackships like Nanook/Phainon and Lygus/Phainon but it is almost impossible to check these ships on shitter because phaidei shippers keep talking shit about every single ship that isn’t top phainon/bottom mydei but has phainon and mydei in it without censoring the shipname. But anyone who criticizes Phaidei (even after censoring the shipname) gets harassed. It's total hypocrisy.
Just last week they bullied one of their own artists kannbergri into nuking her side account and going private on her main just because she spoke about the obnoxiousness of some shippers. They do this every day. They are always looking for people who don’t view Mydei as a barefoot pregnant waifu for phainon and cancel them for racism, homophobia and misogyny. They have harassed multiple Myphai artists off the platform for drawing "problematic" stuff and not woobyfying Mydei enough. They even keep insulting every other hoyo approved yaoibait because they think only they are the chosen ones.
Many of these shippers I feel are not fujos but trend chasers who latch onto whatever ship is "canon" and greenlit by hoyo. Most of Phaidei content is also so incredibly OOC that the characters can pass off as the creators’ own OCs. They all claim that Phaidei is the most superior and progressive yaoi ship ever because there is no twink involved but much of their popular art has a visibly shorter mydei with a vagina. Asian artists keep drawing cuntboy mydei art and western artists keep creating troon mydei content. I have seen so many sincere essays on how Mydei is female-coded. All their jokes are also redditsexual like hehe imagine if phainon was 10 inches deep in you and you were 20 inches deep in mydei then which way will you move. The tag is full of ooc troonshit, hetbends and low effort yuribends.
Whats most hilarious is their "not like other fujos" pretentiousness. They take credit of the hardwork of CN creators("us phaidei shippers are so talented only we matter") who all identify as fujos and then go on to complain about fujo culture when they see bottom phainon or top mydei art. Zero self-awareness. Picrel is one of the mildest examples of their retardation. Imagine crying over fujos after retweeting ooc vagina Mydei art all day.
Honestly I wouldn’t want these kind of people in any shipping community. They have ruined shipping culture because their obsession is only with what’s popular and approved by Hoyo. Everything else is flopped and chopped and other retarded drag queen lingo.
No.10987
>>10981>except a few idol franchisesI don't remember those being as bad as current gachas either. Maybe it's because most of them didn't have male characters in the first place, so there wasn't a reason to seethe about "cucking". But current gacha incels will send death threats to female fans randomly, even if they like the female characters/aren't asking for males. Back when Love Live was at its peak I never saw that happen, and if it did it wasn't as widespread.
What changed? Was it Genshin popularizing mixed casts? There's always been male gachas, but maybe men didn't care since they didn't have to see it
No.10989
>>10986Phaidei shippers are extremely psychotic, I still like the ship myself (I'm a fixed Phaidei enjoyer too) but I don't bother looking up fanart or fanfics of them anymore. Something I was personally confused about were all the stalker Phainon fics and stuff but then I realized all of the fics are made up of essentially skinwalkers.
>Mydei is female-codedI used to think that one Satotsugu was a one-time thing but every fujo ship is slowly turning into this schizo shit, I'm tired.
I feel like the advent of being an unashamed "I'm a fujo xd hehe" was nice in the beginning but I've noticed cuntboy/OOC semeuke dynamics are 100x more popular now after the fact, nothing feels like BL anymore. If you express your distaste for this, people just start being elitist and say it's a "tradjoshi" thing… retarded seme/ukeisms sure, but when has BL ever had this much PIV lol.
No.10991
>>10986>but have you seen the kind of fans this ship has, specially in the west?I forgot if I saw it here or on twitter or maybe both but I remember stumbling upon some account quite genuinely shitting on myphai every day. Like, you've ever seen the absolute type of schizoposts some people do over things they hate? Like that, but for every time they'd see Myphai. Also harassing authors directly with "oh you like myphai? then you're an israeli" (of course, because they can't just be edgy enough to insult with jew). I'm not even that into HSR but I'd still stumble upon it. I don't think you'd even see that much autistic rageposting about a ship even HERE of all places.
I think the more popular a ship is, the more headcanons people have about it, and the more headcanons there are, the more they spread and it becomes some people's "canon" without even bothering to check the source ever.
>>10989A lot of people discovered anime and animegames during covid and likely played along being a fujo due to fujo ships getting most of the art and dedication by fan creators but ultimately some people are definitely yumeing deep down and can't separate that from themselves, so they cope with the cuntboy shit
No.10994
>>10989>>10991I don't have a dog in the Mydei and Phainon shipwars because I don't really care about either one of them (I'm an Anaxafag kek), but what the hell is it about them that bred such a psychotic fanbase? Is it because it's two muscular men and sissyfied roidpigs are now in the vogue so it's a race to the bottom to desecrate one of them or something? I really don't understand it.
No.10995
>>10972>腐向けI always thought that translated to "yaoi" as that's what it autotranslates to on Pixiv. I know about BL and "腐" in a fandom's name for yaoi works tho.
No.10996
>>10994You hit the nail on the head. Many not like other fujos in the west are obsessed with turning the muscular roidpiggy into the bottom. There is nothing wrong with that on its own if they were just having fun with shipping, but many Phaidei fujos treat shipping as activism. They act like they are doing something extremely progressive and world-changing by making a supposedly brute, muscular male the bottom hence memes like picrel. Honestly it never made much sense to me because if you actually play the game then , Phainon fits the “manly male” archetype far more than Mydei does.
I am surprised you haven’t come across Anaxa hate from these fujos, both in the CN and EN sides of the fandom. I used to be a Phaidei fujo and I came across Anaxa bashing almost daily. “He is canonically balding while Mydei is canonically one of the prettiest faces of amphoreus" and other annoying takes. I don’t even care about Anaxa kek but the way they were constantly after him just because some fujos ship Phainon/Anaxa and Mydei/Anaxa felt unbelievably retarded
No.10997
>>10995Pixiv tag translations are, I think, user-submitted. It wasn't always using 'yaoi'. 腐向け translates to 'for/aimed at fu(joshi)'. Whoever chose yaoi as the TL likely did so because it's the term gaijins are more familiar with.
No.10998
>>10996>He is canonically baldingLOL
No.10999
>>10996Muscular bottom has been a trend for a while, especially in Korean works. Funny to see how the EN fandom sees this as something new and unique to them for the sake of activism.
I can agree with the nonna above about the weird Myphai witch-hunting too … I've tried scouting the tags since it's my preferred dynamic, and I feel like I'm taking psychic damage whenever I read someone asserting that Mydei NEEDS to have a pussy or get fucked to be IC.
No.11006
>>10987>Was it Genshin popularizing mixed casts?I mean, mixed cast gachas were a thing before too (FGO and Granblue Fantasy for example) and I don't recall those fanbases acting as bad as the average gachafag these days. And you're right, even the idolfags were more peaceful even though they didn't have the best reputation. It was much easier to coexist with different types of nerds too, these days I feel like there's a much stronger division, like the waifufags who get triggered over yuri and yumes who get triggered over yaoi. It also has a very strong and uncomfortable political overtone to it, like enjoying certain things means that you personally want to destroy male heterosexuality/female heterosexuality/insert whatever thing the self-inserter is insecure about here. It seriously puts me off so many fandoms when I see these people everywhere.
No.11007
Hoyo characters are very boring and basically carried by fans. This is something the company themselves know very well, they leave a few crumbs for anything: ships, character lore, future plots, let the fans run wild, but they never actually address it in game again or the ending resolution is very poor. Genshin is such a dragged out story with nothing happening but it built up a fanatcial base that will defend Hoyo anything because they really believe in future payoff. The ending to Genshin could be straight ass and people would defend it because of the amount of time and money sunk in.
>>11006Other mixed gachas weren't as insane too. I don't know if the problem is Genshin becoming mainstream or if it's because Hoyo is the company that did it, and the company builds loyalty by pissing people off and trying to make fans feel like they need to compete for whose favorite gets the best treatment. The toxic fanbase of Hoyo games isn't something that happened by accident, it's something the company itself encourages in fans with their predatory tactics, which is why this company can't loose its hold on fujos fast enough. It's fine to ship but the way the company treats fans and encourages toxicity makes me hate them. Gacha weebs didn't need more help becoming more schizophrenic.
No.11008
>>11006>>11007This is just my guess but since genshin came out in 2020 I think it's possible that it launched at just the right time to pick up a fanbase of tiktok kiddies whose brains were broken during pandemic lockdowns.
No.11009
>>11007>>11006>>11008I struggle to know when did this start happening too. As a former GBFfag and half-AKfag still, there was never this "big" pushback against males in games or shipbaits to the level that it is today.
Despite how schizophrenic /gbfg/ is like nowadays anywayI feel like that whole "ML" shit that spawned during Genshin was what did it. Because Genshin gathered every possible demographic back in the day (whether intentional or unintentional) and the waifufags that wanted direct pandering couldn't handle the MC not being jesus walking on earth
No.11010
>>10944You can barely hate on them as seen by this, but no its not always "jealousy" because your ship was "chosen" by the incels. What I don't like about them is that they bully other fujos for "your ship not being implied or crack" or insist its the best m/m ever in gacha because most Hoyo fans never play other games. They're so smug about how soft and domestic it is and going off about how people have to like it because it's so canon doesn't make those who don't care that much more into it. It's fine if people don't ship the "implied" ships since Hoyo hates making real dynamics and arcs for their male characters anyway, but then it's not satisfying for fujos who have ships that get more than just "the most canon in a game that panders more to incels and yumes". Them being the only token yaoi while other interesting characters or dynamics can't be "canon" doesn't make Genshin yaoi more interesting. The fact that all their lore relevant males are mostly unplayable or that the game tries to keep the "morally grey" potentially interesting ones like Ayato offscreen are why it's mid. A Japanese game would have made Ayathoma get huge with master/servant loyalty kink, but Genshin characters are so vanilla it didn't make a dent. I don't know why people complain about Phaideifags being annoying, which they are, when Haikavehfags are the same. I don't care what fujos ship but I hate how people act like Hoyo is a "queer company" or that they have secret fujos on staff. The only screenwriters they have are men and yet people act like they have a hidden cabal of female writers backstage writing the good shit. It wouldn't be as annoying if Hoyo fujos dind't popularize the "the creators secretly support me" misusing of coding while shitting on joseimuke games that Hoyo steals from. The fact that people act like Hoyo understands fujo culture so well when they only know how to copy tropes and steal character designs from less popular games is why I can't stand that company and its shills.
No.11011
>>11010Ayathoma didn't kick off because it's so insipid and boring, and Thoma is such a generic ass NPC-like character.
No.11016
>>11015>as far as cute boys go, only to find out they're into a shit tier fetish>Don't claim you love twinks if you can't even appreciate a twink's bulgeIs it cuntboy or something? I can't imagine a twink lover not liking all parts of a twink, including the tiny balls squishing together or something.
But if it's not cuntboy, I can't imagine what would be a shit tier fetish other than actual literal shit, diapers or farts.
No.11017
>>11016Yeah it's cuntboy. I'd rewritten the message a bunch and after hitting post I realised I didn't outright say it but it was apparent enough.
No.11018
I was going through the Tumblr tag for a western book fandom and obviously 90% of the art made the characters look as hideous as possible but there was a single artist who drew a character as an actually attractive man in an anime-like artstyle and it was a sight for sore eyes…I wish more western artists would just draw pretty boys. IDGAF about accuracy or realism I'm sick of seeing ugly moids. I remember a couple years ago (don't know if it's the same now, not in those circles anymore) I would see posts mocking bishounens and anime art styles and artists would brag about drawing their favs 'realistically' (I.E. as ugly as possible). It was always 90% male characters that they did this to, plenty of female characters are drawn in OOC oversexualized way but these people never go after that kind of art.
Yes, I know this is to be expected of Tumblr art but I find Twitter and Instagram unusable, and Deviantart is dead so I have no where else to go for western fandom
No.11019
>>11018>90% of the art made the characters look as hideous as possiblePost examples to
https://fujochan.org/ffs/res/9888.html No.11020
>>11019Forgot that thread existed whoops, probably would have fit better there. I don't want to post examples from this particular fandom cause it's very small though.
No.11022
>>11018>I remember a couple years ago (don't know if it's the same now, not in those circles anymore) I would see posts mocking bishounens and anime art styles and artists would brag about drawing their favs 'realistically' (I.E. as ugly as possible).I remember this and I will always be reminded of THAT one tumblr Steve Rogers? or Tony Stark? artist that drew them fat and ugly, I'm sure a fujo knows exactly which art I'm talking about, it was mocked a lot but there were definitely some people that liked it unironically and similar brewed tumblr-styles with stylized noses and proportions
No.11023
>>11022Kek, you probably mean Rcdart. She definitely considered herself some sort of master artisan with her "unique body types" (deeply cartoonish and unattractive blobs).
No.11025
>>11024All these years later and it's STILL mind-boggling, she was genuinely on something grown in a different universe.
No.11026
>>11023>>11024Steven universe harmed a whole generation of tumblr girls. Though the funny part about her marvel art was that she turned captain america into an aiden yet also sexualised him and called him a slut which was weird enough that she actually gained a hatedom among tumblr dwellers cause they thought it was her fetish and it creeped them out.
No.11027
>>11026>she actually gained a hatedom among tumblr dwellers cause they thought it was her fetish and it creeped them outFunny considering a bunch of tumblr dwellers/refugees have very obvious top scar fetishes
No.11028
>>11027I've always gotten the vibe that titchop stuff is a self-insert thing or something to make Aidens feel better rather than an actual fetish lol
No.11043
>>11040> no fujo potentialYou didn't get any vibes between the guy with siphilis and Frankenstein?? Or between Frankenstein and the Creature??
No.11045
>>11040That's too bad I've been really looking forward to it. Was it good as a movie at least?
No.11047
>>11043Just watched it today. The movie focused too hard on Frankenstein and the creature's relationships with Elizabeth. I was hoping for better tension between them. I also can't take Jacob Elordi's face seriously in all that makeup.
No.11065
>>11064what does this mean? who is including smegma dick in yaoi
No.11066
>>11064I don’t know what smegma is and I am scared of googling it
No.11067
>>11064Same, so fucking gross. I rarely see it outside of extreme doujinshi but when it happens my hatred is visceral.
No.11068
Been reading manhwa and am once again reminded how deeply I prefer lightsabers over uncensored/redrawn bits, just… no, thanks.
No.11069
>>11065I can only imagine it's gay male furries who do it. They always like gross bodily waste.
Anyway gonna ace Nofap November now, thanks.
No.11073
I recently read a pretty popular doujinshi of this fandom. I'm fixed, but I always like to see well-developed characters, especially the bottom (he has to act like a male). Anyway, the thing is, in this doujinshi, they not only changed the roles I prefer, but the ""bottom"" personality did a complete 180°, instead of being the goat that he is, that fucking jap fujo converted him into a submissive loser. I wouldn't have read that crap if I'd known, but everyone was swooning over it like, "dood, you have to read this, it's peak." I felt incredibly disgusted, like I'd seen maggots… I still feel that way. Sometimes I remember the panel of the guy bottoming and I want to get brainwashed. The worst part is that this doujinshi was pretty viral among the fujos in that fandom a couple of years ago; there are still fans of that monstrosity. I think they're retarded and their taste is shit, really
No.11075
>>11074I don't want to say the name of that thing
No.11076
>>11075But we’re nosey anon :(
No.11077
>>11075Maybe there's other anons that have similar opinions as yours. I'm also curious and want to read it.
No.11080
>>11077>>11076No. The last thing I want to hear here is some mf saying, "Oh, but I read it and it wasn't that bad." Besides, more people would find out about the doujin, and that's exactly what I don't want. It's offensive enough that that garbage has 20,000 bookmarks on Pixiv.
No.11089
>>11080Come on, it can't be that bad
No.11090
>>11068It doesn't bother me when its in black and white, but man do full color manhwa dicks skeeve me out. It's like a jumpscare. Desaturate that thing!
No.11095
There's no new big homo fandom that I like. I think the hotel show is ugly and anime games have been taken over by Hoyoverse, which I now hate because their yaoi is only a Trojan horse for waifu games. We need something new and fresh for the next generation of fujos because it can't just be Hazbin Hotel and Hoyoverse and fucking Arcane.
No.11097
>>11095Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu is pretty popular right now as are the usual suspects in Shounen Jump. But yeah gachashit can kill itself.
No.11099
>>11095Hey, Arcane isn't so bad if you ignore 100% of the fandom, 70% of the troon fanart, and ~80% of the fanfic depending on your tolerance for quality!
No.11100
>>11095Sasuke and Naruto kissed in the most popular shounen of all time. We used to be a proper country…
I really like some hoyo designs but gatcha slop is impossible for me to get into. And Arcane isn't even the best yaoi-bait that League of Legends has to offer. Pity they picked the troon bait male leads instead of Swain.
No.11101
>>11099I enjoyed Arcane, but it isn't worth trudging through fanworks like I'm a rat in a minefield. I still don't understand how Viktor having a pussy became a part of the general fandom consciousness. Even Silco occasionally suffers from it.
>>11095I've been enjoying Tougen Anki since the author is a self-admitted fudanshi, but it lacks the bait you'd expect. Blue Lock has a pretty robust fandom too, but you're right that there's nothing all-encompassing the way that Naruto or other old shounen were. Hazbin is for every kid that would have liked Invader Zim if they were born in the 90s.
No.11102
>>11101>I enjoyed Arcane, but it isn't worth trudging through fanworks like I'm a rat in a minefield. I still don't understand how Viktor having a pussy became a part of the general fandom consciousness.His physical fragility makes him the perfect target for munchie ftms to project onto, methinks.
If Golden Kamuy was a bit longer or had more mainstream appeal, I could see it being received similarly as JJBA. I suppose the big fandom these days is Demon Slayer or Chainsaw Man? I haven't really found a new game series that clicks, and there are pretty much no western shows that fujobait anymore. We're never gonna get something to the level of Supernatural or Merlin these days, because they just fufill the fujobait quota with some gay side character.
No.11104
>>11102CSM had appeal during part one, but the second half focuses way harder on Denji's messed up relationship with his desire for women, and most of the male characters besides him don't do much. I was really hoping Yoshida would have more of a spotlight. I find mostly moids and himejoshi discussing it online nowadays.
>>11103I already see a lot of old Avengers-era writers testing the waters with this movie, so here's hoping.
No.11105
>>11102Speaking of shonen manga, CSM is on going but I heard there's barely any fujobait. The mangaka recommended a BL manga once but probably only because one of his assistants made. I actually read that BL manga and it's good but I expected a dark comedy based on the summary and that's not what I got so I was a little disappointed. And his assistant is a better artist than him kek.
As for MHA, Demon Slayer and JJK they're all over. Maybe their anime adaptations are all ongoing but regardless of fujobait I'm sure that their respective fanbases are less active now that these manga are over. JJK has plot relevant fujobait that would ruin the story if you totally removed it but I don't know about Demon Slayer or MHA because I never read or watched them. I just know a friend of mine was into bakudeku and there used to be a lot of ship wars around these two characters. So now what new big shonen is replacing these series in terms of popularity? I have no clue. I know Ichi the Witch is getting popular but I haven't started it yet and I'm avoid fans to avoid spoilers. I heard there's some slight fujobait but have no evidence just yet. I think we need to wait for an animated adaptation to see where this will go. I can't see anything else, it's like the WSJ is publishing flops after flops these days. Maybe I'm wrong.
No.11106
>>11105I'm a Demon slayer animeonly and there's been nothing in there that set off my fujodar. It doesn't help that it's not afraid to kill off its characters and I personally can't get into ships like that. I'm browsing MRM right now out of curiosity and one of the more prominent pairings I see doujins of is with a character who dies long before the end.
No.11107
>>11106I'm an animeonly too, but I was shipping everything in sight. I think it really just depends on what kinds of designs and dynamics appeal to you. And I don't know how to spoiler tag on here, but I'll just say that several potential ships stay alive by the end.
No.11108
>>11106Some people don't mind it if a character dies early as long as there's enough material. I'm obsessed with satosugu in JJK and it's one of the most popular pairing in the series despite
one of the characters dying in the prequel. Despite Geto's total screentime he's still important enough to be a recurring character in flashbacks and his actions have a massive impact on many of the events and the characters' choices so maybe that's why it doesn't bother anyone. It's a good source of angst as welln
No.11109
>make the mistake of getting tumblr to post art and see fandom content
>somehow in the time i spent away from the site, everyone there has gotten even more obsessed with trans headcanons
>if any male character is shown being sad about anything or feeling vaugely empty there are 200 posts about how hes actually a transfem lesbian egg and how E would save “her” with thousands of reblogs
>himejoshis still freaking the fuck out anytime a male character gets more popular than their yuri ship that they refuse to actually make content of while seething at decades old yaoi tropes
>”enlightened” fandomites complaining that shipping is lowbrow slop that actually ruins every fandom but their “trans reading” of how some guy character is deeply TMA-coded is actually really fucking important and smart and they totally arent just projecting
I know that complaining about trans people is overdone here but the whole thing is really insufferable
No.11110
>>11109I hope that sooner than later this shit will all just be a bad memory.
No.11111
>>11109>>himejoshis still freaking the fuck out anytime a male character gets more popular than their yuri ship that they refuse to actually make content of while seething at decades old yaoi tropesI've got a few yuri ships and honestly the less people care about them the better. I don't want obnoxious troons coming along and being freaks at my ships. Let them stay unpopular.
No.11112
>>11109This is pretty much the only place online where we can vent about this. On 4chan or kiwifarms they'd just call you a fujoshit for even caring in this particular context.
No.11113
>>11112Kiwifarms is worse imo. 4chan at least has /y/ and /cm/, but they're both basically dead.
No.11114
>>11109You're right and you should say it anyway, every other space that is literally not here will always be "fine" with this stuff because everyone falls into some subset of "queer" umbrella.
>”enlightened” fandomites complaining that shipping is lowbrow slop that actually ruins every fandom but their “trans reading” of how some guy character is deeply TMA-coded is actually really fucking important and smart and they totally arent just projectingI hate this shit so much, I also often see the same thing but about queerness and about how this one obscure 80s shoujo manga character is the epitome of queer and how it revolutionizes homosexuality in japan blah blah. Those people who just love "discourse" talk and talk about social issues through fandom when I don't give a flying fuck about it. I don't care about whether the gays in some comic are true representation of homosexuality I just want them to fuck
No.11115
>>11109I had been considering returning to tumblr because I missed getting more engagement on art through tags but I'll probably continue avoiding it now.
No.11116
>>11112I havent posted here in a bit but came back because this is seriously one of the only places that isnt infected with this garbage
>>11114There has been this weird switch where everyone went from “let people have fun!” to “if you arent deeply analyzing this piece of art youre creating slop” which, i dont oppose encouraging deeper understanding of a story, but usually these peoples analysis just goes back to the queer headcanons or social issues that make no fucking sense to anyone not already lost in the queer discourse sauce, but its actually really enlightened because everyone is obsessed with queerness and representation.
>>11115I mean if you're more successful than me at curating a decent online space then go for it, but the situation really is grim and you find this shit without even looking for it. Theres so much discourse about what queer reading someone grasps from any story that people forget that you just…dont have to do that. And the author was, in many cases, not writing with any of that in mind. And the experiences these people are painting as inherent to only one identity is shit that anyone will go through. God forbid a guy character struggles with his masculinity or…looks feminine at all. Ive truly seen people say that if a male character comes back after a time skip with long hair or a slightly more feminine appearance they immediately start calling him by she/her.
No.11117
>>11116Seriously, why do we have to suffer through this? Himedanshis and himejoshis cry a lot, but they don't have to deal with this crap. "Oh, I turned your yaoi boys into ✨ lesbian butches ✨" (proceeds to show the two most hideous whales you'll ever see) and the shit has like 10K bookmarks.
Honestly, I wouldn't care so much if it weren't for the fact that some fujoshis are so thirsty for woke points that they'll clap like seals and nod along to every taunt and criticism thrown at yaoi or its fans. Some have a tremendous superiority complex, and it's clear they see you as a basic bitch if you like anything other than their realistic interpretation of homosexual couples, natural bodies, femenine top and masculine bottom, or who knows what other standard they've invented to feel less guilty about liking yaoi. Like, grow some spine!
Look at the Tumblr account of a self-proclaimed fujo and you'll see some yuri fanart sprinkled throughout. Now look at the account of, I don't know, a mtf himejoshi and tell me if you see yaoi.
While we have to watch thousands of boring, sanitized, desexualized, and sometimes even ugly fanfics and fanarts, others enjoy quality content. Few fujo fandoms have escaped this disease.
No.11118
>>11099I hate Arcane because I keep seeing so much anti fujoshi talking points from Melfags.
>>11105CSM is so heterosexual. There's no new shounen that has homobait like the old ones, JJK and BNHA are both done. Witch Hat Atleir looks popular but I know because the fandom is obsessed with "representation" that it will be full of fujo haters angry about people shipping the adult males and saying you're ignoring the real canon gay or the young girl mcs.
I already saw some people doing that. I know a fandom shouldn't ruin anything, but in the current era of social media algorithms making these people more visible, it does affect how fun a fandom is and I now want to avoid anything where fujos can't fujo out in peace because someone is going to be mad you're ignoring some other character and not providing free labor for them.
>>11116>There has been this weird switch where everyone went from “let people have fun!” to “if you arent deeply analyzing this piece of art youre creating slop” It's so funny when they do this too because the media they want to think critically about are also gacha slop where saying "hm this female character wearing miniskirt looks like its for men" and they call you a misogynist because gacha game waifu is actually very deep and nuanced if you look past the jiggly tits!!1 She has a reason for dressing like that!1 But even if a piece of work is really deep, I don't always want to be analyzing or not being able to enjoy yaoi shipping because someone thinks it's not respecting the themes.
>>11117>Honestly, I wouldn't care so much if it weren't for the fact that some fujoshis are so thirsty for woke points that they'll clap like seals and nod along to every taunt and criticism thrown at yaoi or its fans.It's always fujos doing this and that's why we get more shit than the men in fandom. Everyone goes after us. You never see himejoshis go after incel men because they know those men fight back. At the same time, himejoshis fight back whenever people talk about male gazey yuri or otakus slop like gacha games. They defend it with their lives and they created a culture that's more defensive of anime girls made by men, for men, but fujos always listen to every loudmouthed idiot on twitter about how bad yaoi is and they enforce that on other fujos because they're the big accounts. I want to see other fujos get a spine for once.
No.11119
>>11118> want to see other fujos get a spine for once.While I do think the tide is turning for the culture at large, unfortunately, being vehemently pro yaoi (and anti ftms inserting into yaoi) is not really acceptable in fandom at the moment.
I do wish other fujos were a little meaner about it all, and that they'd get over their guilt complex about liking yaoi.
No.11120
I'm pretty uninspired overall. I briefly got kind of inspired by a video game, but the flame went out again. Anybody in love with any media right now? The last thing I loved to ship in was AOT, and that ended… terribly, with the worm shit.
No.11122
>>11120I tend to cycle through the same fandoms again and again. Right now I'm a couple months into another P4 phase and 6k into writing a fic I'm very passionate about for it. Last "new" thing I got deep into was Hundred Line but the fact that it took me so long to beat it and so much fan content was based on
the post game routes kind of impeded my ability to really get into the fandom.
No.11123
>>11122>over 42 bongdamn, got any poor people recs? I've been playing Persona Portable lately, but the girl route unsurprisingly has about 3 ships so I might as well have just stayed a guy. I understand the cycling, I'd just like to get out of the funk of it and be inspired by something new again.
No.11124
>>11120what are some previous ships and/or media you liked in the past? i can make some recs but idk if they'll be to your tastes.
No.11125
>>11117>"Oh, I turned your yaoi boys into ✨ lesbian butches ✨"To be completely fair, yuri fandoms also have to deal with most of their
yuri involving a dick in some way. Yuri fandoms can't shut up about dick, while yaoi fandoms can't shut up about pussy these days and it's really unfortunate. People really don't tell trannies to fuck off enough.
Although you're right about the performative wokeness that some fujos do, I don't even understand why himes try to basically force/guilt trip fujos into reading yuri, because all that results in is a fujo having a token yuri ship she can use to show that she totally enjoys yuri too. Do himes really want their community to be full of these shallows
fans that aren't even interested in the actual content itself?
>femenine top and masculine bottomFor me it's feminine top and feminine bottom. Every yaoi boy should be a twink with no muscles at all.
No.11126
>>11125>Do himes really want their community to be full of these shallows fans that aren't even interested in the actual content itself?They seem to operate on a quantity over quality approach, so unfortunately, it seems they do.
No.11127
>>11099i'm glad I stopped caring about arcane before this tranny shit with viktor really hit the fan. It's impossible to filter it now and they will act like it's canon and you're the weird for seeing him with a dick
No.11128
>>11127Emasculating a skinny disabled man. How brave and subversive
No.11129
>>11128Tbf if you see a young man with floppy hair and a cane online then there's a 99% chance that it's a pooner with Munchausens, so poor Viktor is the exception, not the rule.
No.11130
Speaking of himejoshis, something weird happened in my fandom recently that I shit you not, everyone just started drawing genderbent fanart. Only just "yuri".
Everything under the tag of the ship is all "yuri" now, the characters are both fairly masculine too. And it's not just one person pushing it, the few people into that ship on the eng side of the fandom simply decided they're women now and if you go against yuri then you hate women.
No.11131
>>11128The problem is they see "him" (complete with a vagina and sometimes even breasts these days) as a true and proper man. The real brave and subversive ones are the fans that do it to Jayce. Absolutely dystopian.
No.11132
>>11125A lot of these himes don't write or read fanfiction despite always whining about ao3 numbers. They just like to pretend they care while mentioning some f/f ships as "goddesses who kiss" and are more interested in hating yaoi than actually expending any thought or creative effort on a f/f ship. Why should they, when they get more hits online by using yuri against yaoi? Even they're not showing up for each other's fics.
>>11130This is what happens when people take "you can yurify yaoi but you can't yaoify yuri" seriously. When yuri is treated like a feminist genre instead of just a genre and preference like any other. When most of these people love to say that being into male characters is "male centrism" you have to performatively be into them being genderbent or else you're a misogynist.
No.11133
>>11132>They just like to pretend they care while mentioning some f/f ships as "goddesses who kiss" and are more interested in hating yaoi than actually expending any thought or creative effort on a f/f ship. Why should they, when they get more hits online by using yuri against yaoi?Seriously, I keep getting this post from the deltarune fandom where they're bitching that the TV slash ship got more AO3 fanfiction in 4 months than the main lesbian couple got in 7 years. And just. I struggle to feel sympathy. You had 7 years. 20k whiny reblogs but are YOU writing the shit? Either way I don't care. Get over it, my god.
Fujos have to do that performative "a REAL fujoshi NEVER speaks ill of yuri!!" Garbage every month but himejoshis get to shit on fujos constantly. I'm not anti himejoshi at all like I enjoy good f/f like how I enjoy m/m but I'd never engage with that community because they're annoying and lazy as hell.
No.11134
I was friends with someone who turned extremely anti-fujo for the longest time. Talking to her was actually so fucking draining I’m so happy I finally cut her off (one of many reasons) it’s a little funny cause she was such a hardcore yumejoshi (nothing wrong with them) and HATED her husbandos who were dared to be shipped with other men and always talked to me about how angry it made her. Now I can live my full fujoshi life without hate and malice
No.11135
>>11113Kinda related to that but I hate how puritan edgelord websites have become. In KF you can say slurs and the most horrible shit against minorities and get a bunch of positive reacts, but God forbid you say drawings are not real in there and that anime is cool. Same thing happened with lolcow. I don't get it, these are sites built upon making fun of people, why claim moral superiority?
No.11136
>>11095I don't think I've been into any big series fandoms since I was a teenager, but even back then it was different because I'd follow internet recommendations and lose interest a few years before it hit stateside mainstream. Everything was smaller and you could know the whole English speaking fandom in one place. Now things get big moments after they start airing, and I feel disconnected from big title fandoms right away even if I liked the show. It just never feels like I find the corner of like-minded people who'd fit what I want from fandom.
Series that don't attract much attention in the west though, there I constantly find people who match my sense of humor and will talk kinky ship scenarios at 3am. They're usually ESLs from SEA or Eastern Europe, so I feel like an idiot because I don't know shit about their cultures or speak any other languages, but we have fun. It's good.
No.11137
>>11136Every big fandom feels like the fandom of the month nowadays. It's all so flash in the pan and has no staying power. Little fandoms seem to really care more about the series.
No.11138
>>11133this is honestly why even when i do like yuri ships all i ever do is quietly save fanart and never speak about it to anyone who isn't already a friend i know is chill
No.11140
>>11138I get this. Even though I fit the definition of a himejoshi, you'll never catch me calling myself that online because I want nothing to do with the community. I hate how performative they are about liking yuri, how lazy they are with making content of their ships, how hostile they are to anyone that engages in any series that has men in it, how they write thinkpieces on gacha garbage being good and valid
queer representation and how they shit on every remotely interesting series for being
problematic. And this is without even getting into the whole tranny issue. If I actively used twitter and engaged in discourse, they'd probably call me a fake yuri fan because I also read BL (even though I probably engage in actual yuri media more than most of them).
Bad fujo fandoms exist too, but it's usually for specific franchises (mostly the ones that unfortunately get a big tranny following), rather than the overall community. I also wish some fujos had better taste instead of being into things like gachas and shounens, but even then I can at least respect the level of dedication and effort they put into making fan content and keeping the fandom alive.
No.11142
>>11124- Eren x Levi, Zeke x Eren, Armin x rape gang in AOT
- Mob x Reigen, Ritsu x Mob and Minori x Mob in Mob Psycho
- Hinata x Sasuke, Itachi x Sasuke in Naruto
- Adachi x Yu, Fuuka x Natsuki, and Ikutsuki x Yukari in Persona
- Yashiro x Satoru in Erased
etc…
uhh. I just want something where the hair colors aren't too wild and a good amount of characters die
No.11143
>>11136>>11137Small fandoms are more sincere but also you have to walk on eggshells to avoid pissing off the wrong person and becoming a pariah to the entire fanbase. Idk if I just pick the wrong media but every small fanbase I've been in was like this.
In my current fandom one of the only good artists is a yumeshipper and I have to pretend to like her fugly gendie self insert to not get blocked by the entire community No.11145
I just noticed MyReadingManga allows AI generate content, what the fuck. I normally don't care, but the site has had a decline in quality control overtime so this is just another complain to add to the list.
No.11146
I was going to post this on random thoughts because it's more like a string of thoughts rather than venting idk but I think it's still more of a fujo venting thing.
Do you guys prefer fandoms that stick to mostly canon adjacent fanarts/fic, or when a fandom expands into becoming something more than it's original source, full of AUs and crossovers and OC stories that barely even touch upon the canon anymore? Think, undertale, bnha, hp, most rpfesque fandoms, etc.
On all the medias I've ever been two, the fandoms are always usually only one or the other, never really both. In fandoms that stick to their canon, the content ends up kinda going in circles. The extent of people's imagination only stays at "what if character never died", "what if plot related thing never happened", "what if character x and y were friends instead", etc. It's sometimes nice, sometimes fun. Good to see people's interpretations of things, but it ultimately can get stale if nobody brings something new to the table.
BIG fandoms on the other hand, full of AU fic and whatnot, sometimes have people writing for it that have no actual experience/knowledge with the source material and read maybe a wiki or a tvtropes page about it and decide to write about it. Some stories also end up feeling like it's just a glorified OCverse with familiar names sprinkled through, to the point that you may as well read OC fiction at that point.
I like a balance of both things, sticking to the canon is nice but I also like to see interesting AUs provided it's not full of the author's band of OCs, but this is usually hard. What do nonnas think?
No.11147
>>11146I'm personally not interested in a fic that leans too far away from canon. For instance I can't get into modern AU black butler fics because the victorian setting is a huge part of the appeal to me. If you take that away I have much less reason to care and that applies to most anime and games I enjoy.
No.11148
>>11146in previous fandoms, i used to be staunchly anti-AU to the point where i was probably kind of intense about it. but upon reflecting i realized it was because of the reason you mention above–it was simply that the fandoms were so popular that people were writing fic without actually being familiar with the source material. idk if they just wanted recognition or what. the amount of AU fic that felt in character vs the amount of AU fic that felt completely OOC was skewed heavily. even "fans" watching a let's play or character scene videos for my fandoms resulted in poorly written drivel because they weren't paying attention to characterization beats or story tidbits that come with playing the game itself. instead, it's just people following tropes that can be dumbed down, based on one or two "traits." and now suddenly there's like… 1000 college or camboy AUs with some tsundere bottom and a mysterious top who could be literally anyone. i hated it just on principle, and in big fandoms, i could afford to be picky.
truthfully, i still prefer canon or canon-adjacent (missing scenes, canon divergence, etc.) stories even in my current fandom, but i have become a lot more open to AUs now that i see that they can be written or drawn with care by people who actually spend time crafting them. lately i really crave fluff and comedy AUs for my otp, just drop them in literally any situation, and want to leave the tragedy for canon lol. (i still hate crossovers that involved characters from other media though, those should be nuked.)
No.11149
>>11147If the AU is in a setting that's as interesting as the original, then I'll give it a shot, but modern AUs are super boring. Using your example: I would immediately read a medieval AU of Black Butler, but some coffeeshop nonsense? Yawn.
>>11146I do prefer stuff that engages with canon. I'd rather read something that isn't shippy, but is well-written and tied to canon, over my OTP written by someone who only likes it because its become popular (Netflix has unfortunately destroyed the fandom for my fave series by introducing their horrible cartoon to the masses).
I don't mind OCs, if they're well written and make sense. This is rarely the case, though.
No.11150
Why is it such a struggle to avoid cuntboy/ftm? They never ever tag correctly! Even with dozens of exclusions, it still manages to creep through!
I'm about to start commenting on every ftm 'yaoi' I see and ask why this het is tagged as m/m istg
No.11151
>>11150I think it stems from the thought that it /doesn't/ need to be tagged. A LOT of people seem to have developed the false belief that CB/FtM isn't a kink/wholly distinct preference and is instead just a way a male char can be built sometimes. CB/FtM is very much a non-standard thing but asking for it to be treated as such (and therefore tagged accordingly) is just asking for brainless "but why? men can have vaginas sometimes" Aiden cope, or outright "hmm no I don't think I will :)" from the especially spiteful ones who don't like that you don't want that type of thing in your content. It's just a kink that has gained a lot of people into it that try and act like it's totally a normal preference ackshually. I'd say the rise of terminally online FtMs made this worse because I hardly ever came across surprise CB (hell, even just CB in general) only a few years back.
No.11153
>>11142Not the nonna you were talking to, but have you seen Death Note? You seem to like a lot of dysfunctional shonen ships you might get a kick out of one of the pairings in it. You also seem like the kind of person who'd like Izaya x Shizuo from Durarara
>>11150Really depends on the fandom I guess. Usually excluding "trans" clears up the results 100% for me. If you don't have Ao3Savior already get it.
No.11154
>>11153>Not the nonna you were talking to, but have you seen Death Note? You seem to like a lot of dysfunctional shonen ships you might get a kick out of one of the pairings in it. You also seem like the kind of person who'd like Izaya x Shizuo from DurararaI like both of those things. Thanks though, I feel weirdly seen.
No.11155
>>11142>the hair colors aren't too wild and a good amount of characters dieChainsaw Man is pretty good for this, but I think all of the ships you see floating around in fanart aren't actually that shippy. You might also like Vinland Saga.
>Hinata x SasukeNo judgement but I gotta hear why
>>11146I strongly prefer canon-adjacent AUs. I've said it before somewhere around here but I consider the setting its own "character" and feel its absence when a fic deviates too far. I feel like I'm like
>>11148 where my dislike of them is so intense because too many secondaries are shitting up the tag with mid-to-bad fics. It didn't used to be like this!
These days AUs are easier for me to swallow when the canon works have "official" AUs in the form of themed art, spinoffs, or gachashit (ex. MHA fantasy, AoT school) or if AUs are a canon concept (ex. Bravely Default, Star Trek).
No.11156
>>11142The style might be too realistic, but have you seen Monster? You might like Tenma/Johan.
No.11157
>fall in love with smallish ship
>don't expect it to become canon, just having a good time looking at cute fanart, even drawing again for the first time in years
>other shippers ARE convinced it's going to be canon and start embarassing onesided shitflinging with rival ships that have admittedly more canon basis
>can't do anything but helplessly watch as it slowly becomes the zutara/klance of the fandom
fucking kill me now
No.11158
>>11157>slowly becomes the zutara/klance of the fandom For all the shit they got and continue to get they still eat like kings, maybe you'll get lucky!
No.11159
>>11157Having a rarepair with no content is pretty bad, but having a fandom fave where the popular interpretation is awful is worse. Condolences, nonna.
No.11160
>>11155>No judgement but I gotta hear whyI always thought the ship made more sense than any of the canon ones, even when I was a kid. Hinata and Sasuke both come from similar backgrounds, where the expectations of their abilities were high. They were actually fairly similar in personality before Sasuke's whole clan got wiped out. I feel like with her gentle spirit, she could understand that he's like a wounded bird. She was never attracted to him, and because of that he wouldn't see her like he saw all the other girls around the village swooning over him.
With his strength, I think he could be a rock to her as well. Hinata surprisingly enough has the stronger will between the two (Sasuke is prone to giving up, which can be proven in various arcs), but she's weak in other ways. They complement each other. I burned a mix CD for them in middle school and daydreamed about their whole relationship, but never actually wrote anything; it is admittedly not a ship many people see the magic in. But I could see it being a kind of doomed affair, where Hinata is ultimately unable to help him, or he destroys her for power. Maybe some noncon since it's possible she just wants to be a good friend to him and still has feelings for her one true obsession, Naruto.
>>11156That's a good one too, I think I'll rewatch it tbh, thanks.
No.11162
>>11160> I burned a mix CD for them in middle school I love you nonna
No.11163
>>11160>I burned a mix CD for them in middle school and daydreamed about their whole relationshipThat's so cute. Before I realized I could ship dudes together young me would very often end up shipping the "MC's girl" with the "rival" (like, Misty and Gary or Ginny and Draco) and could easily see myself doing the same if I had been that age when watching Naruto haha. Thanks for indulging.
No.11164
I wish I could turn off the canonicity whiner in my brain and look at Roscest without a voice in the back of my head going "Erm ackshually, Clive would never do this."
No.11166
I came across a post making fun of some tiktok that was talking about how fujos shouldn't be calling characters from yaoi their husbands, but isn't there nothing wrong with that statement? Am I going insane? Obviously the whole yaoi is muh fetishizing angle is annoying (especially coming from tifs), but the replies to this post were acting like calling a character from a m/m ship your bf/husband is a very important part of the fujo culture and very based stacy and feminist behavior. When did these yumes in disguise become so common in fujo spaces? Why does nobody tell them to fuck off?
No.11167
>>11166>the replies to this post were acting like calling a character from a m/m ship your bf/husband is a very important part of the fujo culture and very based stacy and feminist behaviorYeah, I don't want to husbando them, I want them to husbando each other
No.11168
>>11167I just say husbando / waifu to mean character I think is hot and maybe crush on but it doesn't mean I selfship. I'm not interested in RL relationships and I'm only into canon character shipping.
Husbando/waifu have morphed into meme terms over time that are rarely meant seriously but if someone was saying bf I would be more likely to assume selfship tendencies. The
>>11166 post replies do sound pretty bizarre but it's not like fujos are never thirsty for the guys in the ship even if they don't want to fuck them personally.
No.11169
>>11168>I just say husbando / waifu to mean character I think is hot and maybe crush on but it doesn't mean I selfship.Same. A while back I got really attached to a female character and I started calling her my wife out of affection but I don't actually want to selfship with her and I also don't see it as any sort of based feminist behaviour. That being said I do understand how annoying it is when yumes try to skinwalk as fujoshi.
No.11170
>>11169>That being said I do understand how annoying it is when yumes try to skinwalk as fujoshiI think we just have to accept yumefujo is probably the more common / default if anything, or omnivores who like yume, het, BL and yuri or just het/BL. 100% no selfinserting ever type of fujos are probably the minority and more likely to be those with hangups about sex and 3D. I don't know, that's the impression I get.
But I also got the impression that a lot of people who would in the past be solely hetfags have entered fujo fandom since omegaverse and transfic became common.
No.11171
>>11168honestly if someone calls a character husbando/waifu most people are gonna think they at least like the idea of being with them even if they’re not actually seriously full on selfshipping. I just call characters I find hot… hot. lol the fact it’s a meme term doesn’t really get rid of the meaning entirely imo
>>11170I agree. I think most already know that most people are omnivores but there is a difference between genuinely being into multiple genres VS only being into something bc it’s popular or trendy and not actually liking the fact that it’s about two guys (ex: perma-genderbending/hetbending/trannyshit)
No.11172
>>11166I have a crush on a character (thirsty for him and love him as a character), but I don't want to imagine him interacting with me at all. I want him to date and fuck his boyfriend. I don't call him my husbando even as a joke, that's not my relationship to him lol. Self-inserting is honestly a bit strange to me.
No.11173
>>11166When I was younger I used to call my favorite characters my husbandos/waifus despite not self-shipping and it always felt weird to me until I realized I could just not call them that lel. Personally I'm on the more stricter side of not self-inserting ergo I don't lust over characters at all and when another shipper does so I get annoyed (not that it's an actual problem, just a personal thing).
>>11170>100% no selfinserting ever type of fujos are probably the minority and more likely to be those with hangups about sex and 3DI think I'm a minority of a minority because I don't have issues with irl intimacy and I always tell my friends I'm only attracted to 3D and 2D characters are only for each other lmao.
No.11174
>>11172Same, there is one particular character who I have considered a "husbando" for about 15 years, I'm very dedicated, but never in the self-insert way. I collect merch and find him attractive and compelling, but I have an OTP with him and have never really understood the whole self-ship mentality. It's just weird since he isn't you know… real? I don't understand how people can project themselves into a story, maybe I'm too autistic about the details but there are very few works I could realistically picture myself in, much less ones of Japanese origin. I'd much rather justify my (totally canon) ship.
A lot of people devalue the terms waifu and husbando like
>>11168 is saying. And that does bother me since I think it should be reserved for a single character you have a strong investment in over a period of time, but I don't think it necessarily has to be self-ship material, that's just one possible aspect.
No.11175
OOC spectrum where one side is a male character being turned into a possessive shoujo/otome chad and the other side is a male character being turned into a weepy uke.
No.11176
>>11175My fave gets both and I hate both equally. Just let him be the weird autismo he is while still acting like a grown adult. And he isn't conventionally attractive enough for me to buy the 'constantly swarmed by female (or male) attention' trope being applied to him.
No.11177
>>11175The worst part about ukeification is when they make the uke act like an OOC little kid for no reason. A headstrong character in my fandom is 16-18 but acts like a 10yo who doesn't know what sex is in fanon.
No.11178
>>11177It's so stupid when this happens, I love "first time" stories where a character loses their virginity but any time they make the character have no idea how sex actually works it's so unrealistic it takes ne out.
No.11179
>>11178How about the (again, grown man) uke being so innocent that he has an orgasm just from being kissed for the first time by the seme and it's just too much for his delicate virgin brain? But not just any kind of orgasm, he dry orgasms because he's such a precious cute angel that his dick doesn't ejaculate, I guess.
When I read this I'll admit the concept was kind of hot but not so much the execution and OOC.
No.11180
>>11179Honestly the idea of an uke being so perverted / aroused that he nuts in his pants from kissing is pretty hot to me, lol. Not because the kissing is so good like in unrealistic porn depiction way, but because the uke is a freak kind of way. He needs to ejaculate though.
No.11181
>>11180Yeah, the only reason it didn't work for me was because it wasn't because he was just that horny, it was because he was just so pure or whatever. It would otherwise be great for an obsessive / yandere type of character.
No.11182
>>11180One of my kinks is a guy being so aroused that just the friction of his cock being pulled out of his pants causes him to nut violently. Cum everywhere.
No.11184
>>11178>>11179>the characters so pure he has no idea how sex actually works and cums quicklyok I will admit this is my fetish. I could see it being annoying when it’s OOC though. anytime a character cums prematurely is so good to me honestly
No.11185
>>11184Pretty much. I'd be down if the character is canonically a sheltered prince or something along those lines but not if it's a guy who canonically wouldn't logically be like that.
No.11186
>>11185That's so fucking hot, imagine the humiliation. The idea of a guy getting so sexually humiliated that he starts crying really turns me on. And I get annoyed by porn where the guy cums like 100 times during sex. I'm
>>11180 so this is obviously my fetish too.
also into omorashi No.11187
>>11186>And I get annoyed by porn where the guy cums like 100 times during sexRight? What's the point of him cumming quickly if he's going to cum three more times as if nothing has happened? It's too bad this is terrible in porn but would be great irl.
No.11188
>>11187I can see the appeal if he comes early and then gets super overstimulated/wrung out if he's forced to come more after that.
No.11189
>>11135lol how is garbage. they claim to be feminist but then are your garden variety antis who also shit on fujos as male centric.
No.11192
>>11176>constantly swarmed by female/male attentionI hate this trope sm, I usually fav weirdo characters who have a lot of issues that prevent them from being popular romantically and I like the idea of my OTP being basically the only option for either of them to get laid.
No.11193
>>11192Even funnier / less believable if he's a balding old man (with no money) and hot younger men are randomly trying to jump him just so the seme can be jealous.
No.11194
>>11191The first picture is very cute and nostalgic to me even though I've never read Gunnerkrigg Court before, gives me Invader Zim vibes. I miss being younger.
No.11196
I am so sick and tired of trannies infesting every corner of fandom. Cute little post about how two gay characters could adopt? 'erm, actually, one of them might be trans' Joke about a character not liking dick or vag? 'THats transphobic!!1!' If you write fanfic or draw fanart, then its: 'why didn't you make xyz trans? This is okay but it would be better if xyz were trans. hm, i dont want to tag my art as trans. Men can have vaginas!!1!' There is not a single aspect of fandom that doesn't have some kind of this policing, and god forbid that you think a transcanoned character is actually male.
It is so exhausting dealing with this constant deluge of attention baiting and crybullying, and you can't even say that you dont care without a potential career ending backlash.
I can't even get away from this in real life smh. I just want to read fanfic about my m/m ship… Is this really so demanding an ask?
No.11197
>>11195???
Honestly, I like it when ships have a lot of nonwestern fans. The art tends to be better, and the discourse is much less annoying. Russian and Japanese artists make up the majority of the artists for my favorite ships and its awesome.
No.11198
>>11196I feel you nonna. The only solution I've found is picking a small fandom where it's not that rampant amd making your own content without that shit. Some fandoms are unsalvageable (I'm looking at you, arcane) but there is hope for some others.
No.11199
>>11198Arcane's descent is really something to look at. I feel like the first season maybe had the average amount of troonism, but man, poor Viktor. Guy never stood a chance. I pity the Arcane nonnas.
No.11200
>>11195Is this about the karaoke anime? The vocal majority of western fandom is so cucked and I cry every time I think about how much nicer it must have been back when emails and zines were the only way to read fanfic. Less choice and variety, but more soul.
No.11201
>>11195They will never be karaokeing. My main fandom is similar in a quiet way, the western side just never discusses my ship and have basically excommunicated a SEA artist who posts about them in English through blocklists. It seems before I got into it people used to openly tweet about how the age gap was problematic and that the characters were "like brothers" so anyone who ships it "should be gassed" (or in one case, someone said they need "conversion therapy" to make them cater to a different ship that's more popular in the western fanbase). I met someone recently who claims to like the ship and isn't ostracized for it, but then they came out with great takes like "adults don't belong in fandom spaces, that's creepy" and "we should take (ship)'s unwarranted dominance over AO3 and redistribute it to (crackship they just made up)." If you checked the AO3 tag for the ship, the reason its numbers are marginally higher than the others (by about 11 fics), is because half of them are in Chinese or Russian, and the other half are shorts written by that lone SEA ESL. It is a hugely popular ship in Japan, big enough that there's a lot of doujins where they're OOC and I have to dig around for artists who write them the way I prefer it. I think aside from flipping out at numbers they might be basing their hatred of the ship on the OOC doujins. Thankfully they have more tact (I almost typed "sense") than to say "non-western fans are a problem," but I've seen one person
almost say it and rephrase their shit. It gave me a giggle, because there's a real flavor of xenophobia in demonizing a whole country over a ship.
Then I found the absolute cherry on top of tweets about people who ship this ship. It said "they need to be nuked again." You think they'd pretend that tweet wasn't about Japanese people if you asked? Goddamn. Least I can't be taken by the temptation now they don't talk about it.
No.11202
>>11195>someone being "wary" of "liking" art for my ship because it's mostly drawn by non-westerners. what the fuck does that mean.Thinly veiled racism is cool and hip when it comes to the so-called "proshippers" that support pedophilia (because everything is overriden when it comes to pedos, including race but somehow never their gender) and those who say otherwise are also pedos something something.
These are genuine posts I've seen scattered throughout specially towards Chinese artists (because Japanese artists can do no wrong, clearly) and how antis have become "aware" tha asian artists don't care about 'proship' art so they always say something vaguely racist about it like "of course a country full of pedos wouldn't care about this" etc
No.11203
>>11196I've vented about this before but I feel this because while it's not on the level of Viktor, one of my fave male characters from my primary fandom is troonified enough times that it's pissing me off. Maybe a schizo thought but it feels like that part of the fandom got emboldened after the EN version of the game hired a MTF troon for a prominent female character.
No.11205
>>11199>I pity the Arcane nonnas.Th-thanks…
>>11203I'm sorry nonna. I know your pain. Which FFXIV character is getting trooned?
No.11206
>>11199>I pity the Arcane nonnas.Fuck League. The wages of sin is ftm porn.
>>11203It's Erenville right? I remember how excited I was to see him in the trailer specifically because it had to mean more character development for him and therefore more fanworks. Monkey paw shit. Like, go draw mtf porn of Wuk if rep really matters.
No.11207
>>11205>>11206Yeah it's Erenville. Meanwhile I've been a G'raha fan for years but I've personally never seen him getting this treatment.
No.11208
>>11203Condolences, nonna
My favorite character gets hit with the troon stick from both directions, but the fandom is so small that thankfully I dont see it often
because i dont see any art at all (╥_╥) No.11209
>>11203It's kind of funny how its very obvious which guy the FTMs are projecting onto, and which guy they overwhelmingly think is the bottom, based on who they give a pussy. I don't think I've ever seen a FTM draw the top as an FTM with a strap-on or something. They are so blatantly just normie straight women that it'd be funny if they didn't destroy every fandom they touched.
No.11210
My mood gets irrevocably ruined when I see a name from an entirely different series in the middle of reading a fic. It's what I get for reading PWP but I seriously hate it when something isn't written with even a little bit of consideration of the characters in mind, so much so that the writer's just fine with replacing the names to recycle it later.
No.11212
>>11210Holy shit, never encountered that myself but that's next-level lazy.
No.11213
>>11210This happened to me with a fluff fic on ff.net like 1000 years ago. The swap was Yu-Gi-Oh and Beyblade and both versions were available on their author page. The audacity of somebody to do it with porn!
No.11214
>>11206>The wages of sin is ftm pornKEKK
No.11215
Sometimes I see japanese artists blorbofy a character way too much to the point their fanarts turn so horrendously ooc that I wonder "who is even this character anymore" but people somehow don't care as long as it's pretty. Like, truly genuinely the epitome of the weepy shy >_< uke for a character that canonically has killed people
No.11219
>>11218mEn caN haVE VagiAnaS tooooooo
this is a joke, I'm joking, I feel your pain nona No.11220
>>11218Can't you blacklist cuntboy on whatever image board you're using? It'll make your life much easier.
No.11221
>>11220Unfortunately, that relies on the people making and posting cuntboy/ftm actually tagging it as such (or something else, like 'vaginal sex'), which they frequently don't. I've seen art with titchop scars that wasn't tagged cuntboy or trans because you couldn't see the genitalia, despite the clear intent of the artist.
No.11222
>>11215It so annoying, I equally hate when they make characters like Bakugou into an abusive rapist, like he's a bastard but that's so OOC. I think in both cases it stems from it being "easier" to write/work with at the risk of character integrity.
>>11221What IB are you using? Dan and Gel both have gender_transitioning and mastectomy_scar tags you can blacklist on top of cuntboy and at least on Dan cuntboy is not allowed to be used with the yaoi tag at all.
No.11223
>>11222Dan. The issue isn't that the tags don't exist, the issue is that they aren't used, or aren't used consistently.
No.11227
Once in a while I'll also get jumpscared by someone drawing a male character I like as chubby but in that case I do understand that it's not something you'd tag for and it's less intrusive. Though in all honesty I will still block the artist.
No.11245
>>11244have you looked into these?
>Made with the Manga Artist: Japanese BL (Boys Love) 'Bodies Beyond Imagination' >Made with the Manga Artist: Japanese BL (Boys Love) pose packsyou might have to buy them to see if they're fully naked but they're clearly very fanservice-y
No.11246
>Start watching new ongoing series, has a BL pairing being teased since the characters first meet in the 1st episode
>They have an interesting dynamic, have emotional moments where they hug, bump foreheads, declare the intent to protect each other no matter what every episode
>Lots of episodes later one of the dudes kisses a female character with no buildup or emotional moments between them
>Admits I'm disappointed to my friend groupchat and that I feel the hetship wasn't properly built up
>The hetshipper begins to have a huge convoluted rant about how we don't see everything between the characters on-screen 24/7, that we don't have access to their backstory that would explain why the hetship happened and that it makes sense with the context we don't have
I can't believe I got fujobaited and have to deal with a copium hetshipper in 2025
No.11247
>>11246I kind of enjoy how persecuted canon hetfags act in the face of fandom's overwhelming preference for m/m ships involving the m half of the canon ship. It can all be boiled down to how insecure they feel about the quality of their ship's writing, like somehow "it's canon" just isn't enough for them.
No.11248
>>11246This was me with Sabikui bisco. MC and the woman talked to each other like twice? I was so annoyed.
No.11251
>>11247I think it's really annoying, especially since on social media they keep declaring the ship as dead, making posts cheering about it and that we should just move over and make content for the canon ship now. Commenting on any shippers' post or fanart with that it's a dead ship and that's over.
Of course they do this and yet say that we are big bullies and the reason the hetship became canon since we were ignoring the series in favor of the ship, were really annoying and the creators did it to drive us away.
I'm glad fujos are based and are just making angsty one sided fics and fanart and having the other male character with another BL ship gaining popularity now while they only have 15 fics on ao3.
No.11253
>>11251>they keep declaring the ship as dead, making posts cheering about it and that we should just move over and make content for the canon ship now.Are they retarded? Why are they so obsessed with canon and "winning"? That's not how fandom works, and the best ships aren't canon.
Antifujos will complain that fujos ship anything and everything. Then they will turn around and complain that nobody likes their ship and makes their content. Then they will ignore all potential pairings that are noncanon or problematic. Then they will brag about their ship winning by being canon. And the cycle repeats.
No.11254
>>11253>Why are they so obsessed with canon and "winning"? That's not how fandom works, and the best ships aren't canon.It feels very romcom moidbrained. Reminds me of how much screeching I've seen from Oshi no ko and Quints fans about which girl should win 'the mc bowl.'
No.11255
>>11251That's why it's funny. The ship ends for them when the show does and they cannot handle it. I saw "Ochako" was trending the other day so I clicked it and it was half hetfags seething about bkdk fujos and half off-model and/or out-of-character r34 of her.
No.11257
>>11254I hate how image board meme terms have been entering common parlance on social media as the years go on. Recently saw teenagers calling a m/m ship "hetslop" and then joking about yuri being "lifegem." There's just something obnoxious about it.
No.11259
>>11257Oh god I hate this shit too. Especially when it comes from people who'd lecture you over using imageboard terms because they have whatever-ist origins years ago. The "nooticing" meme and slop term are basically antisemitic too kek. Insane to me how fandom twitter zoomers borrow stuff from sharty now.
No.11260
>>11259I actually saw someone getting dogpiled with hate on twitter for pointing out "-slop" comes from "goyslop" and has conspiracy theory-esque connotations even if you take it as the dictionary definition of "livestock feed." I get that it's better to spread a word thin until it loses the former offensive association, but the whole "everything is shit and these people are mindless pigs if they enjoy it" attitude is still there. Applying it to random anime or whatever doesn't make it a friendlier term to use, it's still a downer. At best you get the idiots who say stuff like "it's really high quality slop" to nervously explain liking something.
But what the replies were really shitting on this guy for was an "obsession with 4chan" and that bringing up antisemitism was a
him problem according to them, and "the word slop existed before 4chan." The level of vitriol they had over being told their new favorite put down was nastier than they thought, like they wanted to be rude but can't take being too rude.
The sharty stuff is a shock but when I thought about it, it shouldn't be. Tons of their users were minors, so they probably just carried the language home with them.
No.11261
>>11260>>11259>>11257As much as it hurts people to admit it, everyone loves 4chan and imageboard memes because the rest of the internet has no culture. Do any of you remember when reddit used to be a meme sharing page, with badly traced-over memes like "bueno", yaoming face and others? And also as the internet gets more and more sanitized, you can't have any 'fun' so people miss the days of being able to even say retard. People's definition of a 'fun meme' is the 67 shit now.
You will literally see people on twitter doing
>meme arrowsdespite never being on 4chan in their entire life. Normafalgs became "normie", I've seen people try to say 'waifufags' and guise it as 'dudebros', that era when people were making fem wojaks for some reason, etc.
A lot of imageboard memes got carried over into twitter because there's a bunch of people who drag it over there, and also the assholes that love the "not your secret club" shit to ruin everything small and niche etc.
No.11262
>>11260>The level of vitriol they had over being told their new favorite put down was nastier than they thoughtThis is the part that annoys me the most. If they just kept their arguments limited to "if you use it enough it'll be detached from its origins" that'd be tolerable (but I'd still find it hypocritical because there were people having meltdowns over wojaks and the chad/"Aryan" wojak specifically despite them being used generically), but a lot of people refuse to admit it was popularized from goyslop at all and call you crazy for correctly acknowledging it is. It's not a random coincidence people started using slop as a suffix after goyslop was spammed everywhere on 4chan and the trend isn't a sudden revival of "slop" itself. Gem was taken from the coal/gem the sharty dichotomy and don't get me started on incel lingo with maxxing/fuel/mog/everything lol there's been a blatant uptick in imageboard/incel terminology taking over zoomer vernacular. Same people who tell you to educate yourself on the background of memes before using them or whatever.
>>11261Seeing people start to use moralfags (and fag as a suffix in general) on Twitter was really jarring to me considering how far it goes back but only caught up now.
No.11264
>>11261>Normafalgs became "normie"sperg warning: "normie" as a pejorative predates normalfag and I'm tired of being accused of being a redditor when I sometimes use it instead of normalfag reeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
You're right though. Imageboards/forums are culture, social media is a zoo.
>>11262It took a non-zero amount of effort for me to drop -fag from my vocab in public and it pisses me off to see people use it so freely and not suffer consequences. I report people for it where applicable because I am extremely petty about shit like this.
No.11266
>decides to read a popular drarry fanfic I hadn’t finished reading because it was still unfinished back then
>reads a good chuck into the story and gets curious to see how far the author got along in the sequel
>discontinued because JKR is a TERF and boohoo my fwiends are sad
Fuck this TRA. I ain’t never seen fanfic authors virtue signal this much over any other creator that’s actually a terrible person and committed crimes like Neil Gaiman or literally any male mangaka. I want every troon and TRA out of the Harry Potter fandom and stop being little shits about the series. I muted the fanfic author just so I never get tempted by her works ever again. I know I’m being petty or some shit, but I’m just so sick of their shit and just want to enjoy my yaoi and fanfics without their bullshit in the author’s notes.
No.11267
>>11266> ain’t never seen fanfic authors virtue signal this much over any other creator that’s actually a terrible personI think my count of 'authors who went back to fics that were finished a decade ago and edited them with an author's comment about how JKR is the devil' is in the double digits now. I have a friend who trained herself out of liking Harry Potter when JKR became 'evil'. It's insane. I've never seen someone do that for Good Omens.
No.11268
>>11266While that is annoying I have somewhat more respect for those people because they actually put their money where their mouth is as opposed to the people in the fandom who continue making fan content and consuming new material like the videogame but constantly have to virtue signal about how JKR is evil or they add a trans character in their fanwork cause they think it will make her cope and seethe.
No.11273
>>11267It pisses me off how it never happens with anyone other than jkr. Like not even bible fanfic have authors notes or additional tags like that.
>>11268I think I’d be less pissed if the author hadn’t posted some trans charity link in her author’s notes for years and only a few months ago decided to stop making content because of some trooncord server making her feel bad. And I know it wasn’t a recent retroactive edit on her author’s notes because they had been there since I first tried reading the fanfic.
No.11275
>>11273>I think I’d be less pissed if the author hadn’t posted some trans charity link in her author’s notes for years and only a few months ago decided to stop making contentOh yeah never mind. Clearly they wanted to have their cake and eat it too for way too long.
No.11277
>>11273>It pisses me off how it never happens with anyone other than jkr. Like not even bible fanfic have authors notes or additional tags like that.The closest I've seen was seen the Good Omens and Sandman fandoms made posts comforting each other for enjoying Neil Gaiman's series when the news broke that he was a disgusting rapist. I never see seething or disclaimers for any conservative [male] author like Scott Cawthon. It's just a virtue signal and a social ritual against le ebil terfz. They'll turn around and watch South Park too.
No.11281
>>11267>I have a friend who trained herself out of liking Harry Potter when JKR became 'evil'. It's insane. I've never seen someone do that for Good Omens.It happened naturally for me. Gaiman is an actual monster (who I dropped early when he started dating Amanda Palmer anyway lol), Rowling got dinged by the mundanity of being cringe on Twitter (like most authors I swerve). A little off topic, but it's crazy to me that publishers WANT their talent to have a social media presence. The first thing I do after getting a modern book rec is google the author and if they are annoying to me or a rightoid or another fucking Mormon it's over.
No.11282
i used to have this idealist mindset of fujoshi safe spaces being actual "safe"
But ipad kids evolved to invade places they do not understand and honestly, is becoming tiring. Minors circle jerk invaded now N+C fandom and now we have misinformation about the games and characters going all around Tik Tok. Towa and Aoba being the main victims of this.
Funny enough, they admit that had never read the VN of their "kin characters" XD
i miss when male otaku were the only ones messing with the fujo community
No.11283
>>11282>Funny enough, they admit that had never read the VN of their "kin characters" XDI cannot fathom being a fan of something but never even bothering to engage with it. What do you mean you like Griffith but have never read nor watched Berserk??? You're a huge Metal Gear fan but have never played the games or watched the cutscenes? They just like memes and make up the personalities of the characters they supposedly love.
No.11284
>find artist that draws rarepair otp
nice
>their account is half ship art half their own nudes
why
i didn't come here to see your breast…and sadly this isn't the first person i've seen like this, has to be the third or so
No.11285
>>11284I feel your pain nonna. An artist I like started posting gravure shots on their art only account so it's impossible to search the media tab without seeing them.
No.11290
>>11288>James FactoraA male explaining fujoshis? How stupid kek.
In the case this was actually written by a tif,it's stil retardedAlso ew ugly 3dpd
No.11291
>>11288Can we go back to being pariahs?
No.11292
>>11288Link to the article, weirdly it's been changed a bunch? I'm linking the current version but the title and images have been changed overtime
https://web.archive.org/web/20251214224430/https://www.them.us/story/fujoshi-meaning-fujoing-out-japanese-slang-history>>11290It's a he/they tif lol
Regardless NORMALFAGS GET OUT, YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL FUJO
No.11293
>>11292>weirdly it's been changed a bunch?A consequence of the other tiffies eating this one alive because she wasn't performative enough?
No.11294
>>11292Thanks for the link. Glad to know I wasn't wrong about the author lol
Not a single mention of japanese BL media, huh.. Only The Untamed for asian media
unless you count BTS as BL lol and it's in the context of memes
>fujoshi as a memeI hate this timeline, I hate that retarded vocaloid song that was more yuri than anything else, I hate tifs, I miss having fun with my fujo friends 15+ years ago…
>the internet has made it such that absolutely anyone of any gender can “fujo out.”Only women can be fujos, only women can "fujo out"
>inb4 but fudanshis!! As long as they know their place, I don't give a shit.
No.11295
>>11288Now I understand it when moids complain about 'tourists.'
No.11301
>>11288People write articles like this but then they see real fujos just draw jojo mpreg or whatever and they'll call you fetishizer btw
>You might have seen someone saying they were “fujoing out” over a clip of beloved K-pop group BTS or a meme of, um, Luigi Mangione. Hit shows like Boots and Heated Rivalry have prompted fujoshi claims, as viewers flock to watch episodes weeklyto “fujo out.”In what world does this happen, what the hell am I reading?
>Ends the article saying that hehe fujoing XD is just a memeReality is so grim
No.11302
>>11301>In what world does this happen, what the hell am I reading? TIFs have a huge complex over liking yaoi; I think she's just projecting.
No.11309
>>11303>>11308KKM is having a resurgence? So THAT's why the video I uploaded of their kiss in the OVA got so many comments out of nowhere
They all like Wolfram though so maybe I'm just cultivating good energy from children that probably weren't even born yet when KKM stopped airing
No.11310
>>11308If i have to bet the reason is simply that they are the same haters from old times. Wolfram is a great character that got divided opinions thanks to the anime adaptation. Besides that, indeed, i think his type isnt much liked nowdays.
>>11309Funny enough, i dont think the hate is a new gen thing, but the same guys used to be anti-yuuram in the past. I remember KKM forums discussion being filled often by those guys. So new kids are more cozy with their appearance since the problem in the past always reduced mostly to "they both look uke"
No.11313
A JP artist I liked on twitter is talking about leaving and moving to another website and all the sites she posted about going to are JP ones that I've never heard of and don't know how to use :(
No.11314
>>11310Is the manga better than the anime? Did they change anything important?
No.11315
>upload dead dove fanwork
>get feedback
>all complaints about it being dead dove
in what world did they think content with (insert niche fetish) wouldn't feature (niche fetish)
No.11316
Sometimes western artists drawings are so ugly it pisses me off. Good looking non-anime/cartoony art styles do exist so why do they have to choose the most ugliest ways to draw characters.
No.11318
>>11316The thing that gets me is how some of them get so obsessed over huge noses and/or body hair. Overly defined lips as well on occasion.
No.11321
>>11316Same. Not just deliberate uglification but also the hybrid pseudo anime style a lot of them adopt, like mixing anime style eyes with more ”realistic” features like noses and lips.
Western artists don’t understand how the anime art style is deliberately styled; all the features need to be congruent with each other with the same degree of stylization. Then you end up with an ugly mishmash of features with weird facial proportions. They don’t know how to draw different ethnic groups without turning them into racist caricatures.
No.11322
>>11303>>11310I was a stupid kid on LJ back when I was into KKM and I never knew about what the fandom was doing or that there was this divide, but you've reminded me of how when I tried looking for fics I just kept finding shitloads of ConradxYuuri that was 1st person Conrad or something. When I complained on an anon venting comm other users said it was because I hadn't read the source material so I wouldn't understand how horny Conrad was for Yuuri. I always thought that was strange given his characterization in the anime, and I started putting it aside as I was a teenager so naturally I wouldn't relate to Conrad. Rewatched the anime during covid and still didn't see how the ship worked, Conrad always holds Julia at a distance as something unobtainable for himself, and continues that masochistic self sacrificing streak later in life. It's unrequited doomed feelings by his own design.
>"they both look uke"And that's why you use made up potions and other excuses for maou Yuuri to turn up in the bedroom, and follow up in a second chapter with regular Yuuri trying his best to repeat what Wolfram says was better than anything they'd done before (but Wolfram was actually frightened horny and won't admit he does prefer the less scary Yuuri and instead quietly cuddles into him).
>>11316I hate the ones who make everything fat and grimy. There's something repulsive about it that sets off my germophobia. I'm into debu shit and they make it look genuinely rotten and moldy.
No.11323
>>11321>like mixing anime style eyes with more ”realistic” features like noses and lips. I know what you mean, but there are plenty of more realistic anime styles that have facial detail, like Death Note or Monster. The weird part is that the faces you see on a lot of 'ugly' western art don't even look like any real life features despite the attempt at realism. Or on the cartoonier side you get ugly muppet-esque noses and eyes.
No.11324
>>11322I shipped Conrad with Yuuri and it was definitely the 'I'm your weapon' angle that appealed to me. I tend to enjoy pairs that have an imbalance like that, and I love semes that willingly martyr themselves for their partner. Granted, I've never been under any illusion that Wolfram is the endgame and main ship of the series.
I think the previous nonnas hit the nail with the hammer, because back in those days two uke-ish designs wasn't the norm or popular. You can really tell who isn't used to watching harem shows as well since they'll balk at a couple they like not being canon over the one that was broadcasted from the first conception of the story.
No.11331
Seeing my notp fanart doesn't even annoy me anymore, because it's soo off character it's basically like watching fanart of two oc characters at this point lol.
It's basically lovey dovey fanart with the guy acting like a generic prince charming, when in reality the characters barely can communicate without arguing. It's so boring I don't know why the fandom silently accepts, it's shitting all over canon too, because it depicts them as just another run of the mill couple.
No.11332
>>11324They get the much better fanart, look better together and the girly tsundere shit annoys the fuck out of me.
I see zero reason to ship Yuri with Wolfram over Conrad personally.
No.11333
>>11308He’s just a Rie Kugimiya tsundere as a boy, I already don’t like those characters as women so I like it even less on a male character
I can’t stand him.
No.11337
just saw a tim with a cardcaptor sakura yukito pfp post about how much he dislikes 'tme people' (women). why can't trannies leave shoujo/yaoi alone if they hate us so much
No.11339
I just looked at the BL doujin thread and felt the need to come in here and mention that I don't get the hype around vtubers. I do watch certain youtube content creators like Super eyepatch wolf and Wendigoon but I can't imagine watching a streamer and then deciding I want to read a doujin of his anime boy persona getting fucked.
No.11340
>>11339Same, mentioned this in another thread (
>>10815), but they just aren't characters to me. I'm always disappointed when I see fan art of a cool design only to realize it's a Vtuber and not from a manga or anime.
No.11343
>>11332No offense anon, but you just proved my point over this whole discussion.
> They get the much better fanart, look better togetherThis is what i was talking about. Anyways, i get the appeal, just that argument is invasive.
I dont really care if people prefers a different shipping anyways, if it was for me Yuri could just fuck the whole cast
No.11345
this heated rivaraly bullshit is making people hate fujos again after it was "cool" to be one for five minutes. all because that one fag from that show with that attention whore girl from bottoms complained that it wasn't "real" enough and he got backlash over it.
No.11348
I think I'm getting into omegaverse and lowkey hate myself for it
No.11349
>>11348at least youre self aware
how bad is it tho, are you already at male pregnancy?
No.11351
>>11349The pheromone stuff is pretty hot, same with men being physically overpowered. But I don't like how there's a whole omega society or predetermined category for weak men. It's hotter when a "normal" man just gets noncon'd or something instead of having these stupid predetermined roles. Same with mpreg. I think I'll just take every trope I like and leave off the ones I don't.
No.11354
>>11353>I wish the 'omegas are women' and 'omegaverse isn't actually BL' accusations would stop.they shouldn't stop.
No.11356
>>11354What makes you say that? It's the same argument anti-fujos use against all BL
No.11357
>>11348Omegaverse is in a weird place with me. It kind of absorbed a lot of the porn tropes I like (sex pollen/heat/marking, fuck or suffer/die, dubcon) and essentially made them more popular, but also kind of cursed them with this patina of half-assed worldbuilding that is rarely interesting. It's easily the genre that sets me up for the most disappointment when I see "great tags+high word count" and give it a click haha.
No.11359
>>11357AYRT I could have written this kek, also a lot of ABO BL manga has great art
No.11361
>>11357>>11358> half-assed worldbuilding that is rarely interestingI know 99% of the time it's just an excuse for porn, but man is it a waste of potential. And unfortunately, its very dictated by tropes and established lore, so you don't see anyone with a new or unique take on the idea.
No.11365
>>11351I like pheromones in kemonomimi stuff. I just can’t like abo itself. also the predetermined hierarchy like you said makes it so lame. a lot of the tropes aren’t restricted to abo either dw
No.11373
>sees cute art of male character in a skirt
>caption says 'he's getting a little non-binary with it'
When will it end nonnies….
No.11386
>>11373Download and keep the art, ignore the artist.
No.11390
>>11389ruined
Joshua's smaller but he's hardly a 0 muscle twink. The fact that he has bulk in his chest andclearly wants to be strong for his brother is what makes him appeal to me more.
I thought they were gonna kiss at the end because holy shit they were VERY close.
No.11391
>>11390This looks good, maybe I should watch a playthrough
No.11392
>>11391It's a het game as a warning. There is actually a canon gay character with his lover but at it's core, it's straight.
That said, it's not very hard so I recommend playing if you ever want to give it a try. If you only want to watch, look for a cutscene movie instead. The gameplay I feel can be a drag to just watch when it's at the slow parts of the game
No.11399
>>11333tsundere characters, especially as girls, feel like incel stereotypes about women
>women is when emotional and loud and insecure about flat chest etc etcit's so boring everytime i see it in anime my eyes roll back into my brain.
No.11400
when did all this yume/self insert shit mania start because during the mid to late 2010s everyone made fun of retarded mary sues and narcissistic self shippers. the only ones who cared this much about their yumeshit were otomefags.
No.11402
>>11400I would argue that Mary Sue-self inserts were at their peak in the 2000s. Go to FF and filter to romance and a large amount will be X new female student befriends Y. Probably more OC x Canon than yaoi fanfics total on there it's wild. Nowadays X reader has taken over since people no longer are interested in keeping up the illusion that they are writing an independent character and not a reader insert. lol
>>11399>tsundere characters, especially as girlsAsuka is the only good one tbqh.
Was trying to think of more male Tsundere characters. Bakugo is probably the biggest one right? Though way more Tsun than dere.
No.11411
>>11400I remember people making fanmade listener x character nsfw audio on Tumblr in early 10s, but I don't remember seeing any xreader fic until the Wattpad migration started happening, especially after they banned porn. Part of the rise is also due to antishipping, especially in fandoms that used to do selfinsert female MC x canon like Pokemon, because none of the female protagonists are adults except maybe the Legends ZA one? (It's very unclear but if they get confirmed to be 17 or something later I will laugh my ass off)
No.11412
>>11400I feel like I never saw yumeshit (as in people actually calling themselves yumes by name, not the act of self-inserting itself) until after 2022. Before that everyone just made fun of x reader fics lol. It didn't really pop up until the great fujoshi renaissance which I think opened up everyone to calling themself some kind of xjoshi. Self-inserting as a whole imo seemed like it was always on a separate side of fandom though, i.e. stuck on Wattpad or Tiktok (like the Dracotok shit or something). I always associated it as being closer to dark romancefags and normies than actual "fandom".
No.11413
>>11411iirc the XY protagonists are at least 17 years old because Emma is 16 and it's stated by one of the characters that the protagonists are older. I don't know about the Legends ZA protagonists but in the French version Corbeau calls them a "un(e) ado" which means "teen" when insulting some rich looking trainers you have to fight during a main quest. I like to think they're young adults just because of how one of the rivals talks about having to move to the hotel because the cost of rent in Illumis and having roommates was like for her, it felt too real.
>>11412I only saw Japanese women using the word "yume" to talk about self inserting and being husbandofags until recently. I think it's just a case of western fans trying to reinvent the wheel because these things always existed even without that word.
No.11414
>>11400I never saw it much during the Tumblr fandom era of 2010-2016ish either, I think it replaced kinning tbh. People made fun of Mary Sues and OCs and Y/N shit. My hypothesis is because of COVID and Tiktok making fandom stuff accessible to normies and their obsession with being "niche".
>>11412>I always associated it as being closer to dark romancefags and normies than actual "fandom".Same, actual hetship fags that don't self-insert entirely into the fmc (rare ik) will at least write a female character.
>>11410>I don't think I understand yumes in general: I have zero attraction to BL guys. I'm not interested in them; I'm interested in their story/romance/etc.I'm definitely attracted to some BL guys, but I don't want to think about them x me. I want dick x them and the story / romance / whatever.
>Someone's enjoyment of a fictional romance being contingent on whether or not that can imagine themselves being romanced is bizarre to me.I don't get why it's nice to imagine yourself romanced at the risk of sounding mega autistic. I'm a normalish person living in reality. I don't get it. Why should I imagine a fantasy character as really into me, that's really boring. It doesn't turn me on or excite me. Even if it did, it's more fun to imagine characters in relationship with interesting dynamics. I've never really self-inserted besides maybe as a kid playing Pokemon games with silent protagonists.
No.11415
>>11413>I think it's just a case of western fans trying to reinvent the wheel because these things always existed even without that word.I think a lot of "fandom" people didn't really know self-inserting in this way was a thing until recently since it was often considered a cringe 12 year old x reader thing. Just from anecdote and observation I used to run into these pseudoyumes years ago before the term caught on and they'd be extreme husbandofags but still ship them with others because it was what everyone did but you could tell they did it half-heartedly. I've checked on these types from time to time and most of them now ditched the canon x canon shipping stuff and are dedicated yumes now, so good for them I guess?
No.11419
>>11414>I don't get why it's nice to imagine yourself romanced at the risk of sounding mega autistic. I'm a normalish person living in reality. I don't get it. Why should I imagine a fantasy character as really into me, that's really boring.Navel-gazing yumes will tell you this is internalised misogyny or something like that. I totally get it, though. I know some people into LADS but I wouldn't even play it just out of curiosity because the game is built around pov self-inserting and that would make me deeply uncomfortable.
No.11426
>>11425>not to be judgey but some straight women think they have the right to read what they want and have opinions lol!>if you don't want to see women on screen then something is wrong with you!Straight men online wouldn't put up with being lectured over what they watch or not meeting some imaginary quota of consuming media with men in it. We need to return this same energy to annoying yuritards.
No.11430
>>11425>fujoshismAnyway. That's the type of bullshit I would post if I were on crack, it's just that incoherent.
No.11436
>>11425>judgey>anthropologist ok powerpuff pfp, on top of the usual flags for virtual signal, you are talking about how you want women to read about your self insert because you can't stand the fact that some girl wants to ship your virtual boyfriend with a man.
You dress it up as women friendly but the reality is you are bothered by other women not agreeing with YOUR personal fantasy, if all this discourse was pro women, guess what? there wouldn't be a discourse in the first place.
You are misogynistic, all this discourse is, it's literally a sheep in wolf's clothing, they use fictional characters and twist it to shit on what real women want lmao it's absurd how they don't get the irony, but i guess from people that would be okay with giant troons in women sports it's normal.
>romancemore like porn but with god awful written romance, plus the guy is usually as unrealistic as it gets.
I'm astonished at also how they are not cringing when they are talking about how desperately they need "romance" in fiction, it screams lack of romance irl tbh
No.11437
>>11426Men don't lecture each other on what they like to read in their spare time, and when they try they get dogpiled.
This is unfortunately a problem in our communities, we either have to ignore them or be harassed by retards.
No.11438
>>11426wish we could fight yuritards but they team up with yumeshitters with their fake feminism
No.11440
>>11439I'd normally ignore this too, but after watching a few Heated Rivalry video edits out of curiosity Elon Musk starts surfacing this absolute sewage on my feed. I haven't even watched the fucking show but now I’m forced to read takes from some random NYC gay with a receding hairline on fujoshis, and underaged kpop fans’ hypotheses about the correlation between yaoi and misogyny. Just very exhausted with how every piece of media now has to pass some performative political/psychological assessment in order for it to not get dogpiled with ragebaiting pisstakes.
No.11446
>>11439Sometimes it's inevitable. Related to your image, a friend of mine who mainly wrote spardacest had her workplace doxed after a group of twitter antis decided she was a bad person for liking gay incest over the het and yuri ships for the series. She ended up quitting fandom over it.
>>11412Normies don't know how to husbandofag/waifufag in peace. Long ago you had to specifically go looking for content you wanted to see, but with algorithms and ease of access people get in to their head that the internet MUST be tailored for them (and if it isn't then it's an offense to them).
No.11447
>>11446>a friend of mine who mainly wrote spardacest had her workplace doxed after a group of twitter antis decided she was a bad person for liking gay incest over the het and yuri ships for the series.Yesterday I watched a video about how the developer of Webfishing got doxed for doing nothing but working on a game that gay furries enjoyed. Twitter antis convince themselves they're the good guys but in the end they're not actually that different from the 'chuds' they wouldn't want to be compared to.
No.11448
>>11425"ew straight women think they are queer!!" ← person who thinks sexuality is an aesthetic, cool club or political stance. They are so mad people they find cringe enjoy the same stuff as them in a "cringe" way that they start trying to sound woke and end up with the most homophobic takes imaginable.
No.11450
>>11448So true, there's nothing wrong with being straight as long as you aren't homophobic. I wish more people online would own up to being straight instead of jump through a million hoops to justify being queer or lesbian or a gay trans boy.
No.11452
>>11448>>11450babby's first time getting to oppress a majority and they're excited
Honestly, the whole gender and sexuality politics thing reads like cosplaying a minority. Nobody wants to be a visible minority with features they can't change, but anyone can be an invisible minority and switch it back when it conveniences them. Bonus morality points.
No one under 60 acts like this so unfortunately, we've got a loooong gen of people behaving this way online until they grow tired. Or until the evil straights push back and they lose their fun target
And online spaces feel big, so they have a playground for all the middle school level fighting instead of taking on people irl which would require eye contact and a backbone.
No.11455
>>11043I watched this today and totally agree! Of the two I'd prefer Frankenstein with the monster since I like non-human characters but I can see the chemistry between him and Harlander. Honestly I love the idea of an intelligent being learning human empathy and with the whole Master/Creation angle and Victor's compromised morals Frankenstein has always been an interesting springboard for those concepts.
Twas a good movie and the take on the Monster is fun I can't wait to dive into AO3.
>>11047He spends more time with the old man on the farm than with Elizabeth. I honestly felt like the only reason she was in the movie was so they could recreate the iconic shot of the Monster carrying an unconscious woman.
No.11457
>>11455> I honestly felt like the only reason she was in the movie was so they could recreate the iconic shot of the Monster carrying an unconscious woman.It's to show that one fleeting moment of kindness changed his life.
He came into the world confused and in pain when his only other point of contact relentlessly abused him. Elizabeth showing one act of empathy showed him that there's other people out there, and some of them are nothing like the person he spends the most time with.
Their reuniting is another tragic moment where once again, he experiences kindness from someone he can actually be seen as an equal which makes what happens worse and builds his rage. He just isn't allowed to have long lasting joy and you get two people who add to that. One short term, another long term.
I also took his demand for another like him to be platonic. Victor blows it out of proportion and I read it like the director showing a parent who hears their kid ask for something, and they make up something entirely different to reason with themselves why they should not have it. I think in the movie's universe, male/female, he just wanted someone who didn't hit him, yell at him, and understood him.
No.11458
>>11457I'd agree with that, it is an initial starting point of kindness. It also sets up the contrast with how she views him versus how Victor does, but honestly I think her limited screentime hurts my perception of her as a character. I just find, again the old man, gets this point across much more impactfully.
>I also took his demand for another like him to be platonic.Same, though I read most of this movie as an extended atheism metaphor , and since the wording "Make another like me" is I'm pretty sure ripped right from the Garden of Eden I read it as him seeking his "god" figure. He wants Victor who brought him into the world to continue with his duties, continue the role god is supposes to play. And when Victor doesn't there is a crisis of faith which involves him raging against his creator but ultimately realizing he doesn't need him.
I mean the plot is very on the nose about Victor playing God, as is the main theme of most adaptations of Frankenstein I've seen. But this one instead of being a cautionary tale felt very anti-theist which was different.
>he just wanted someone who didn't hit him, yell at him, and understood him.Agree.
No.11459
Poipiku changed what they allow to be posted yesterday. Now artists have to censor NSFW art a lot more or not post NSFW at all it seems, and several artists I follow said they decided to delete what they posted on poipiku to not get in trouble. Between this and twitter artists need to post their art on pixiv more often because this is getting really annoying.
No.11460
>>11459A lot of JP users ditched it over some past controversy it was involved in like stealing art or something, right? I can see why original artists might be wary but there shouldn't be the same issue with fanwork. I'm just grateful to have a fairly active place where I can post any kind of nsfw 2D.
No.11461
>>11460These days the artists I follow mostly use pixiv to post samples of the doujinshi they plan to sell a few weeks before events. Or sometimes they just compile the art they posted on twitter first on pixiv. That's it.
No.11462
This goes for both eastern and western artists but especially eastern, artists really need to get back into making their own sites. Hosting a site based in America is a step above Japanese site hosting just for posting NSFW art alone, no retarded censor bar laws. Likes and numbers really rotted people's brains.
No.11463
>>11462I don't think Japanese and Korean artists will ever fully go back to personal websites unless they're oldfags. Even then I think the older ones just draw whatever they like, barely post anything on social media and wouldn't want to create a personal website that they will update once a year at best. The reason why is because they either tend to use social media to check info in just one or two places and post info on which cons/events they will go to on websites that the bigger amount of people will check with just two clicks instead of only posting their art and blogging from time to time. Or they treat twitter almost like normies in the west treat facebookbut with the perk that posting under your real government name isn't mandatory at all, which isn't really possible or convenient on a personal website. I often see Japanese artists and fans of a popular gay pairing I like a lot replying to each other's post on a daily basis and starting these big public voice chats about the latest chapters or episodes with their OTP, sometimes for hours in a row. I don't think it's related to numbers, many of them post personal stuff 99% of the time with like 2 or 3 likes at most and the remaining 1% is just art, sometimes cropped with a link to poipiku but they were quick to delete everything so. The most they've done is create backup profiles on bluesky.
>Hosting a site based in America is a step above Japanese site hosting just for posting NSFW art alone, no retarded censor bar laws.When I used tumblr a bit more than 10 years ago many Japanese artists posted on tumblr, both fanart and original art. They all jumped ship way before the porn ban, just because they prefered twitter and because of silly controversies with underaged Voltron fangirls harassing each other over dumb stuff. Even if an American version of pixiv came to be I doubt they would move there because of what I said and because of recent generative AI related issues.
No.11464
>>11462>>11463Japanese artists are weird that they want to use one platform for everything–social media notoriety, personal posting, artwork, etc.
Some artists genuinely don't think about the concept of people saving their artwork, just "viewing" it, like some gallery. That's why so many people are opting to do the gif upload method on twitter to post the artwork even though it looks like shit, can't zoom in on details and can't save it.
Some people (generally professional artists) DO have their own personal website for inquiries and contact, but your average random fanartist doesn't care about saving their ship art for gacha FOTM that much on a personal site.
Japanese love the social aspect of twitter, they have it integrated into their brains. I say japanese because cn artists have always had weibo, private QQ groups, xhs, etc and koreans have had crepe and postype and others I don't know about for sure. I've been old enough to remember the days of twipic, where images had been saved on a particular twitter gallery website outside of twitter itself and not your main gallery, it worked similar like privatter and then privatter had also been made too.
I think it's impossible to make japanese move on from twitter because they like having the news about their favorite things there, they like the engagement, the conversations and the capability of meeting people which is something unique to twitter as the rest of the internet is straight up dead
No.11465
>>11464I don't think it's weird, it's just more convenient to just open one app to have access to all the info you want to see and call it a day if you're not serious about having a career that requires using social media to build an audience. But there's also how everyone is on twitter nowadays when it comes to fandoms so if you're Japanese either as an artist, fanfic writer, cosplayers, or just a fans who wants to follow artists, writers and cosplayers, etc. but you don't want to use twitter, good luck convincing everyone else to start using one more platform just to follow you and most likely only you. It applies to a lot of other social media websites, I was forced into creating a facebook account when I was a student because if I missed a lecture to go to the doctor yet again absolutely everyone refused to send me their notes by email or with my usb drive. They were always making shit up about why they couldn't help and then I was in a group project with strangers who forced me to use facebook to send me messages in a group chat. And since everyone was doing this back then I still can't delete facebook ten years later and protect my personal data because none of my friends wants to use something else like Line, Whatsapp, and several of them moved to other countries so sending regular text messages and making regular phones calls isn't really possible anymore. I assume that's why a lot of artists only delete their art on twitter but don't delete their twitter accounts and keep posting.
On the other hand I recently noticed that European artists have a preference for instagram over twitter and one anon confirmed it in another thread, and it's not like it's any better than twitter in terms of AI and the protection of personal data, but I bet they find it more convenient to inform followers about which anime cons they will go to and what they will sell there. It's not that twitter is niche in Europe but instagram has way more reach with nerds and normies alike.
No.11476
>>11400I also blame the popularity of games like LADS and encouraging anti BL in their fandom which also enabled more yumes to be loudly anti fujo. Talking about fujos "centering men" when what they're really mad about is that fujos draw their fictional boyfriend taking it up the ass.
No.11504
I hate when the seme is dead quiet or stoic during sex, have him make noise too. Especially if he's under the effects of sex pollen / aphrodisiac wtf
No.11536
>>11504But, nonna, you don't understand. They have to be dead silent in order to show how cool and mysterious they are.
No.11538
>>11536It makes me think of how I would try not to be overheard in my bedroom by my parents. One person's cool and mysterious is another person's ashamed and horny.
No.11551
>>11538lol somehow that reminds me of all those old fanfiction.net fanfics with sasuke where most of his dialogue was "hn" or any other character seen as cool and stoic which does circle back to sounding immature in a way
No.11595
>>11504A teasing or blushy seme is better. Conversely, my issue (although this is for written smut in general) is when every sound is written out. Moans, I don't mind, but when panting is written out… Less is more.
No.11603
The more I see the Love and Deepspace fandom the more I hate yumejoshi and gacha games. The most "husbando can sell" game and its full of anti fujos, which is why the 4chan joseimuke thread is also anti fujo.
No.11606
>>11603I was going to reply, but decided not to waste my breath. No words can make them understand that most fujos do not give a shit about LADS in the same way most yumes do not give a shit about Nu:C. Get mad at the corpos for stealing BL manhwa translations and shilling their game in BL sites when literally no one asked them to.
No.11609
>>11608I get the Arcane hate because the fandom is a hellhole but what is it about Heated Rivalry that makes people so mad? The show looks fine and the fans seem to mind their own business from what I've seen.
No.11610
>>11609because there's no female character to project onto probably
No.11611
>>11609There's like one mainstream show right now for fujos with attractive actors, that means we should all shit on it. Just like how everyone shat on Twilight for the crime of being popular with teenage girls / women. And yumes / hetfags don't have one popular show with a canon het romance vs nearly everything else.
No.11612
>>11608Its yumes seething they can't fantasize about the male actors because they are gay in the show.
Also conservatives got angry too lately after the Stranger Things episode.
No.11615
>>11612Too weak to simply ignore canon like fujos do, the presence of gay repulses them
No.11617
i don't care about GL series getting cancelled because yurifags deserve it kek
No.11619
>>11618holy shit i didn't lol, the 'fetishizing' garbage from trannies earlier this decade was already irritating enough now we're being called male centered by husbandotards
No.11620
>>11618I get caring about otome erasure, but they act so insufferable about adding stuff for (actual) gay men (and delusional tifs) or fujos that it makes me not care. It’s not like LADS is a real otome game where the player is actually a real character. It’s a self-insert game so imo it’s not real otome because it’s barely a romance and more of a power fantasy.
No.11622
>>11618We really live rent-free in their heads by just existing and minding our own business.
No.11623
>>11620I couldn't play this dumb cash grabbing game because the demo girl was always pale with black hair in all the collectables and previews. How that doesn't snap people out of it is delusion on levels of a cult. Spend time making your self insert literally you (plus the hair) only for you to get swapped out with every asian girl ever.
No.11625
>>11624lads would be so goated as a gay game.
No.11626
>>11624I question how much actual fuel for BL ships Lads could possibly have but at this point I want any fujos who are actually shipping something to double down out of spite.
No.11627
>>11626>>11625Isn't it a bunch of men in a space station plus you / fmc? I've always thought the premise was pretty damn gay plus the devs go out of their way to have the lis not interact with each other at all kek
No.11628
>>11627can't scare the yumes away
No.11629
>>11627>I've always thought the premise was pretty damn gayCould you elaborate?
No.11630
I hate gacha so much. There were some fun joseimuke ones in the 10s but it's clear Japan doesn't want to innovate the gameplay or give good anime adaptations. Now they can't keep up with the "omni" games that still priotize incels and don't have good fujo bait anyway (do not tell me Hoyoslop is good I don't care, that company is evil) and the one example of "husbandos sell" is an otome full of the most schizo yumes. I hate what gacha has done to weebs who would have been into rpgs ten years ago. There's clearly a market for anime games and bishies and gacha has a lot of them but I hate how the most popular one is from a scummy deceitful company and the other one is why we have so many anti fujo yumes running around harassing people. Even weebs on twitter are talking about how visual novel games got killed by gachas because a lot of the writers and premise get made into those games, and they either wind up being cheap cash grabs or they turn into waifuslop five years into their runtime. Fuck gacha.
No.11631
>>11630Gacha is the perfect vessel for little effort for high returns (in some cases) and it's also perfect for poorfags since it presents itself with the FREE
* label.
RPGs and VNs are dying because why would you pay $60+ dollars for a brand new game you aren't sure you'd like when you could just play a gacha for FREE**** or READ a VN?
Unfortunately I don't think gacha will go away for the foreseeable future. I remember when the peak of gacha was FGO/GBF and they are just shitty 2D autobattlers. Now in a post-hoyo world you have every company and their mothers and the carcasses of their mothers doing a 3d gacha for everything.
The market may be oversaturated now but devs don't care.
I expect Nitro+Chiral's new project to be a gacha too 100%
No.11632
>>11631>I expect Nitro+Chiral's new project to be a gacha too 100%They already made mobile spin-off of Slow Damage but it wasn’t gacha? Still a lot of grinding needed to get all endings
No.11634
>>11630>Even weebs on twitter are talking about how visual novel games got killed by gachas because a lot of the writers and premise get made into those gamesI remember hearing a while back that the Muv-luv franchise is pretty much held hostage by the success of its gacha. It's pretty dire even for hetfags so we fujos don't stand a chance.
>>11631>I expect Nitro+Chiral's new project to be a gacha too 100%Yeah I can see it. I'd hate it but I wouldn't be surprised.
No.11635
>>11630I refuse to play mobile games and/or gatcha. I know it's locking myself out of so many fandoms, but idc. Gatcha is so shitty and anti-consumers. I hate the modern mentality of constant updates and drops and events. I want to play something with a story that can be revisited later. I hate play-to-win and how you can’t get every character. I hate hate hate it. I sometimes feel crazy when I look at Hoyoverse fans. I just don't get the appeal as a consumer. I understand how profitable it is for companies and how addictive the rush can be though in a clinical way.
No.11636
>>11635The only mobile games I play are the ones that are basically computer games but on the phone (I like being able to play games on the go). Otherwise if it’s “free to play” with in-app purchases, it’s usually a shitty cash grab that’s not worth my time.
No.11637
>>11630The part that bothers me the most about gachas is how shit they are as games and how little effort they have to put into the 'gameplay' to churn out money. Worst offenders are of course the autobattlers and PNG clicking simulators but when the core of the game is actually something good, it really sucks.
The biggest flaw is always how in these games which sell themselves on husbandos/waifus, your fave will be outclassed by someone new and shiny and your best bet is hoping for an alt, which will then get outclassed again.
Pokemon Masters is the only gacha I play and while I like the battle system in theory, giving each pokemon only one weakness and removing immunities aside, I hate how they just keep bolting on new stupid mechanics to make the new units more powerful while also making too many units similar to each other instead of giving everyone a unique niche to make them stand out. It would be so easy to design challenging battles that aren't just super inflated HP counts and requiring a million different zones. But they don't give a shit.
I hate how whatever is the most OP ends up clearing all the battle challenges and no one cares about anything else.
But hey, I can make pokemen kiss in my profile image and no one has reported me yet, so that evens it out.
No.11638
>>11630I remember when Tales of was one of the reigning kings of fujo bait. And the concept of a gacha game having 2 men standing next to each other with wordy dialogue that amounts to absolutely nothing going on beating historical ships is nonsense. I'm not saying old good, I'm saying, the new thing just does not make sense to me.
I've played HSR. I have SEEN every male character interact. There is nothing. There is nothing going on in the story that warrants the level of fame some of these ships get because it's someone filling out a word count to keep players clicking with almost nothing going on between anyone. Phaidei is as big as it is because they actually added fujo bait (they bathe together… a lot) but I've played these games before. Even in terms of yuri, there's nothing there for the most part and H-3rd simply doesn't have male characters (Sans Welt and maybe 3 others) so it's kind of the only option anyone has.
No.11639
>>11637>your fave will be outclassed by someone new and shiny and your best bet is hoping for an alt, which will then get outclassed again.This is why I've never considered Tourabu a gacha, aside from the fact they hand out swords for free if you just wait, no character has significantly advantageous stats or abilities. You have your army of children with guns and then you're free to fuck around grinding up whoever and whatever you want so long as you respect the battlefield conditions. It's a very relaxed nongame. There's no requirement to even play, since you can look at art, audio rips, and cutscene videos easily. The reason people pay for the game is out of genuine cult-like attachment making them feel indebted. It's fascinating as a phenomenon, but not the same psychology as gambling addiction.
Pokemas is downright infuriating. They introduced those global ranking battle events the other year where the only way to rank well was to roll the new unit. Then there's the maximum difficulty challenges on events where anything but the new units struggle to meet the challenge conditions for rewards, or worse, the deity battles where you're just outright fucked if you didn't roll a good handful of blessed overkill units. I've learnt to just quit and take what I can so I can roll for characters or pokemon I like, but then you get the most bullshit gacha odds possible. I didn't want Haruka with the primordial kyogre, but EVERYONE uses it to sweep co-op so I felt like I ought to try to make the game easier, and nah, not in tens of rolls. Meanwhile there's some typings where I just don't have anything decent for the weekly damage challenges, but they aren't releasing any new units with those types anyway, always the same shit over and over. If I didn't like completing some of the gameplay challenges or the occasional story I'd have done more than checked out on dailies.
And after all this, I recently invited Piers to the lodge, and in an instant of seeing his smile felt like it was worth playing. He's not as funny as Leon to talk to though, Leon would always vibe on Raihan mentions. Piers it turns out likes Raihan, but not as much. My vague ship half confirmed.
No.11640
>>11637>>11639shame ff7 ever crisis doesn't have good writing. I mean, gacha in general doesn't but the people playing it are ff7 fans firstly and the level of quality from Remake and every game is not present.
I began playing back when it was brand new so I kind of have so much currency it doesn't play like gacha to me. But as a gacha title, it's absurdly fair. Throws free currency at you, playing actively for a month will net you so much stamina grinding is a time sink but you're not exactly barred from any content besides whale dungeons. It's well balanced, and you can get every character costume if you just keep at it. Or do as I do, focus on your favorites and always have enough. There is no need for optimal builds if you're just playing for story, and seasonal content can be completed for free once you level enough.
But the fujo crowd never took off the way Remake and Rebirth did. The new main adult men are kind of nothing. Teen Sephiroth doesn't even have a chokehold on sefikura shippers or Crisis Core fans. For something so easy to play, the lack of fanfare seems to be that the shitty, no thoughts gacha is the way to go, oddly
No.11641
>>11635As someone who wasted many hours of my life on Fate grand order and Granblue fantasy, that's a good decision. There's still some male characters from those games I'm attached to but in hindsight actually playing the games was a waste of time because it was boring grindy power creep bullshit. FGO in particular also is one of those cases where the devs blatantly care about big titty waifu and loli pandering more than anything else. Granblue had the gay angels and gay knights at least.
No.11642
>>11639>They introduced those global ranking battle events the other year where the only way to rank well was to roll the new unitI don't give a fuck about these personally, because there's no reward involved. It's just whale bragging rights. I get my participation gems/coins and go.
>the maximum difficulty challenges on events where anything but the new units struggle to meet the challenge conditions for rewards, or worse, the deity battles where you're just outright fucked if you didn't roll a good handful of blessed overkill unitsWeirdly they have stopped even doing these challenges on the new Masterfair events, which has left only Gauntlet, UBs and Towers as challenging content. Now that my roster is getting better I don't have anything to use them on other than Towers. I'm also playing pretty much just for the story, even though it's usually very lukewarm like most gachas. Like
>>11640 mentioned, this is another thing that seriously holds gacha back. The story has to be both stretched out to infinity and incredibly bland so no one gets offended. But I could live with both of those more if it weren't for the enforced MC dicksucking. Masters is especially bad about this, every single character has got to have some dialogue about how special and unique and amazing (You) are and it makes me cringe that this is what is apparently getting some people to open their wallets.
I was happy when they introduced Superawakening but even after maxing my fave he doesn't do that much damage, meanwhile Diantha's SA is apparently equivalent to an Arc Suit. I wish they were better balanced.
No.11643
>>11635The problem too with gacha is that unlike a completed game, you don't know if you're getting anything good with your favorite character. I get why people chose it over finished VNs like this nonna said
>>11631 but I hate it. At least with a finished RPG I can read the story and see if it's worth my money. If a character I like gets screwed over, I can just not buy the game. But with gacha if your favorite isn't instantly popular, or even made to be popular like with Hoyoverse games, they're screwed. Hoyo has fucked over a ton of male characters just by giving them shitty kits, no promotion and putting them before a big anticipated waifu. The type of psychological manipulation they do is why I hate them. They make it feel like you have to pay for your favorites just for a chance they get a story, but the deck was already stacked against you.
>>11638I miss games like Tales. That was another franchise that got killed due to gachaslop. You're right about the Hoyo ship bait. None of the characters can ever be too important, especially not the males, because they rarely do two main push guys. That's why I never liked Hoyo, aside from their predatory practices and manipulation. Their games are kiddie, especially Genshin, all manufactured to not upset the most fragile male egos. They have "cute moments" but no substance. It doesn't help that unlike some jrpgs and VNs, these gacha have to revolve around a boring self insert as the mc. I can't care about ships involving the mc because they're barely a character. Not to mention it encourages schizo yumes who we know hate fujos. Gacha is such a terrible format. Only some joseimuke with all guys might be good for fujos but they're so badly managed and don't have good stories either because the devs think women don't need it.
No.11644
>>11643I followed this SQEX shill for awhile who would never shut up about Twisted Wonderland. Installed, played for a bit, realized that despite Disney's history of challenging writing, this was written for women who like challenges suitable for toddlers.
The designs are amazing because fujo hands drew them. The story on the other hand, made worse by the localization felt like I was being belittled. Disney has never made me feel belittled, not even in their bad direct to home video films. Granted this was years ago now and the cardboard cutout level pandering has gotten way worse- but for the time, it was my first time really feeling thoroughly disappointed by something with such a massive fandom.
The more bland, safe and milquetoast a story is, the more it sells to the post 2020 fandom. I've been retreating to old, adult filled fandoms as another anon pointed out. It is not fun being around kids who cry for their discord mods when a series actually has something of note. Fujo fandoms are no longer a home and it's a lot nicer when you know everyone there is open about dark kinks, taboo romance options and aren't afraid of whump that hurts.
No.11645
>>11627That's not even remotely close. LADS takes place on Earth.
No.11646
>>11643The most recent Tales gacha actually had decent writing too. I liked most of the new characters introduced far more than who we got in Arise.
Now instead of a completed game, we have an EOS and promise to finish the story in a manga that never materialized. Shit like this makes me unwilling to spend money on gacha, or get emotionally invested in something that could be pulled before I even know the ending.
No.11648
>>11644>ve been retreating to old, adult filled fandoms as another anon pointed out. It is not fun being around kids who cry for their discord mods when a series actually has something of note. Fujo fandoms are no longer a home and it's a lot nicer when you know everyone there is open about dark kinks, taboo romance options and aren't afraid of whump that hurts.Same. I've been lurking around old, dead LJ comms, and man, even with all the lol random stuff that managed to permeate even older spaces back then, its still so much more mature and levelheaded than anything around today. Even discords aimed at being for adults/darker fandom spaces are filled with obnoxious 19 year olds who all think they're the first person on earth to write BSDM.
No.11651
>>11644Everything feels so bland and safe with how many video games have self-insert protagonists. You can't have any character even clash with the protagonist for a minute without them getting hated. This is why Hoyoslop games pandering more to incels have become so stale. It's unfortunate because the other gacha games that have husbands and fujobait aren't popular due to the gameplay (rip Ash Echoes) which ix why gachas are becoming more derivative and stale like everything else. All the new expensive 3d gachas that gets promotion have a terrible ratio and aren't good for fujos. People will cling to Hoyoslop because it's older and got the fujos early so they'll praise their lackluster storytelling because nothing else is stepping up to the plate.
>>11646This guy looks too attractive to have been wasted on a gacha game. Holy shit I hate Bandai Namco.
No.11652
>>11651>You can't have any character even clash with the protagonist for a minute without them getting hatedMakes me long for the days of DMMD and etc, where the player character can irreparably fuck up every relationship and suffer the consequences for it. I was playing the new Dragon Age and got frustrated because no matter how abominably I behaved, no one actually will leave your party.
I want consequences in my storytelling, dammit!
I don't understand this visceral hatred that modern fans have for fictional characters. They aren't real people.
No.11653
>>11651>You can't have any character even clash with the protagonist for a minute without them getting hatedI WAS a huge FF14 fan. But when the new writer introduced his new OC, any and all conflict just kind of stopped happening.
Political commentary, gone.
Political powers at each other's throats due to a difference in policy, gone.
Not even the bad guys are bad. Unless they are so comically evil you sort of just wait for them to die.
It's terrible.
I remember how hard people shipped characters who genuinely hated each other. Like, stabbing on sight hate. Now if there is any conflict it's like the most non-threatening babby level word fighting imaginable. I played Infinity Nikki (stay with me) for awhile because I simply wanted a cute dress up game. But the story was so sterile and bland because a grown man in China would shit himself if his deluxe waifu so much as tripped in the same direction as the "antagonist." It's like, a true depiction of what gachaslop represents. Mascots on mascots because conflict with humans is unacceptable. Everyone speaks like they're trying to avoid waking up a baby. Even the music is just short of ai generated for how formulaic and uninspiring it sounds. The early Infinity Nikki OST was quite nice. Then it shifted into some MCU tubro slop and I can't remember a single song that stood out.
No.11654
>>11653I'm still sticking around with 14 but I find it very telling that the MSQ went to shit once they started pandering to waifufags and yurifags.
No.11656
>>11655SB at least had Zenos. He was the one and best part of that entire experience. I thought Yotsuyu was way too cringe until post-patch story fixes her.
They should just let fujos dictate the lore and world because you can't even really call Fail-Lamat a waifu. She's just a lame furry oc
Bakool Ja Ja couldn't satisfy bara/monster fuckers because he lost the personality that made him likable. Zarool Ja was a piss poor Zenos. And sis-con catboy is too busy cleaning his big sis' litter box to be appealing to ship.
No.11657
>>11651The entire cast was wasted on gacha. They felt more 'traditional Tales' to me than anything in the last two main titles. Bamco has no idea what to do with the series anymore and it's losing them their fanbase.
>>11653Mascots is a great way to put it. Early FFXIV had some interesting stakes and world building, but now the game wants to do nothing but fellatiate the WOL and their immediate companions (who aren't allowed any further character growth, since that may lead them away from the story and fans). Only low-value NPCs are allowed to die or have conflict, and we're never allowed to feel emotional weight for it.
No.11665
>>11655The arcadion part of the fanbase has actually been pretty comfy for fujos cause while the plot conclusion didn't quite stick the landing we now have two BL ships since
brute bomber came back from the dead and howling blade's straight relationship was never brought up again so fujos have basically been treating wolf/bomb as canon. I dunno if Ishikawa would've saved the expansion by being the lead writer cause for all I know Wuk lamat could've been a sweet baby inc mandate or something similar but I do know she wrote the BL-tinted gatherer storyline that was one of the few highlights of 7.0 for me so I would rather have lived in that timeline.
Maybe Ishikawa would've given Erenville an actual arc that isn't speedran and botched. No.11685
>>11652It's because all of fiction must now be escapism for people. It's the default mode for most men in fandom, which is why they hate any girl who doesn't like the male mc, but now everyone is like this. If a character is a jerk they're just like that person's irl mean coworker/classmate/ex partner and you're abusing them by liking this character. Take a look at how insane the Persona 5 fandom is about shipping Joker/Akechi. It's not only full of men throwing tantrums about him every day, there's a lot of other idiots taking it too seriously too. Hero/antag or hero/rival shipping was so popular without this much drama until fandom got overrun by people who hate conflict. The Persona series alone already feels dumbed down. I can only imagine how much worse it's going to be now that Atlus says they want to be even more mainstream. Now every game feels like this due to the prevalence of self-insert mcs in video games. Self-insert always invites in the men who sperg at any story that isn't the male mc being overpowered and everyone loving them, and then you have yumes who hate any homo shipping with their husbando. It says a lot how the best video game homo are with male protagonists who are actually characters and not self-inserts.
No.11688
scrolling through instagram reels in bed and people are still bitching if yarichin bitch club even gets mentioned. i wish the OP song never got noticed by normies or fake fujos on social media because i have to suppress my rage/instinct to reply when retards are STILL saying "why are you glorifying underage 'grape'" years later, in 2026. do these people even like or read BL at all?
No.11689
>>11685hate to sound like a smt superior poster
but
Man I'm happy SMT dodged that.
No one played SMTV, no one played Metaphor. Characters can be sexual deviants, freaks, gross, uncomfortable, and openly rude to you without a little activist in your ear telling you the game's now problematic.
No.11690
>>11685I feel like what happened to the Persona fandom also now is happening to the Yakuza fandom, like the game is cool and all but since it got mainstream the fandom is full of teenage dipshits that larp as le old Japanese yakuza man.
Some illiterate retard once tried to say to my Japanese native mutual that he doesn't speak fluent Japanese, and my mutual is not even a kid, he is a Japanese administrative lawyer kek
No.11691
>>11689>without a little activist in your ear telling you the game's now problematicThey may not say that the game is problematic but they sure do hate most of the ships though. SMTV still gets people call Aogami/MC "problematic" because of being "adult/student" forgetting the fact how the game itself keeps shipping them and everything.
Metaphor fandom died out and it's full of antis that are too comfortable under the idea that there are no "gross ships" in their way and anything even slightly "off" still gets idiots complaining too
No.11693
>>11685>Joker/AkechiCowards hate Akechi. Truly cultured people make him bottom out to Ren. That's how it normally goes with rival ships, right?
>>11689>>11691>SMTVWeren't there gendies that tried to claim the MC was a pooner? I forget their rationale, but it was probably something stupid.
No.11695
Being niche audience of a niche media is isolating.
I despise normalfags and fad queers trying to wrangle and writhe themselves into fandoms they don't belong in, complaining about the elements they don't like, gaslighting existing fans and followers for liking themes they find problematic.
I hate when authors or people in charge pander to these loud obnoxious groups and ruin and doom their franchises.
I appreciate fujos being so rotten, blunt and brutal, and managing to keep large chunk of these superficial "fans" out.
No.11703
I hate love and deepspace. I hate the antifujo sperging yumes and who they encourage yumes in other fandoms to be crazy too. I hate "Genshin is learning from lads giving us all this fanservice with the men" praising slop. Fuck yumes and fuck gacha. Gacha is now the death of storytelling because everyone wants every game to be about characters sucking off the mc because they don't want to play visual novels anymore. They only want to play gacha and now they want to take over every game to make them a harem.
No.11704
>>11689Isn't SMT5V even more full of fujobait than SMT5 vanilla? I need to get a copy either way for the new route.
No.11706
>>11705I feel you. I wish at the very least it had stayed western only instead of spreading to asian artists.
No.11707
>>11705It's infested every corner of fandom at this point. I've got an ultra mega filter for AO3 and is still slips through.
The slow transition from yaoi->mpreg->omrgaverse->omegaverse with hermaphrodites omegas->cuntboy being the foremost way to ship m/m has been… I don't know, but its something.
No.11708
>>11707how does it slip through? just blocking “omega” as a keyword does the job for me
No.11709
>>11708ayrt, mostly bad taggers, or people using odd language to tag (ie, the older ABO, vs omegaverse). There are also the uh, vindictive and spiteful writers who refuse to tag for things like vaginal penetration in their 'm/m'. I've been jumpscared by untagged omegaverse a few times in a particular fandom where its broadly accepted fancanon, so no one thinks they need to tag for it anymore. I block the authors that do it, of course, but its still irritating.
No.11710
>>11693Nahobino's voice in English is nonbinary which doesn't apply to Japanese as it is very masculine. And it doesn't matter because the MC literally has probably less than twelve minutes of speaking roles if you combine every attack and demon call out
No.11711
>>11693don't most atlus MCs these days get trans-ified by fandom in some way or another though
No.11713
>>11711There is a TON of trans Yu and Ren fic, it's baffling if you don't remember that all these people are writing them as a self-insert.
>>11709Arcane is the worst for this.
No.11717
We're circling back to early Ao3 where no one tagged anything but the bare minimum and where you have to skim the story or ctrl+f to be sure there's nothing you don't want is in it. I actually like over-tagging because then I can find my hyper-specific story elements I need and I think it's annoying that there's vindicative authors that refuse to tag their obvious fetishes. This is somewhat related but not to larger omegaverse discussion I like it but I get the hatred: but, I'm a Sirius x Remus shipper which has a megaton of fanfics but it's really hard to dig around for specific story beats I want from older fics because most of the older or middled-aged (lol) fics basically never tag anything and it's hard to comb through for the stuff I want BUT I KNOW exists somewhere deep in the bowels of the archive.
No.11719
>>11703That's the problem with all these big Chinese gachas. It's all centered around player fanservice which is why those fandoms are so hostile towards fujoshi. It's all about a boring mc who isn't even entertaining enough to ship with more interesting characters who never reach their full potential. This is why I hate the death of VNs in favor of open world 3d gachaslop. With VNs you can do a lot more with characters. The mc usually is an actual character who can have bad ends or even be an asshole too unlike all these gacha games where they're another overpowered "hero" who gets glazed by everyone and their mother. Gachas aren't even worth it due to being around het shippers, himejoshis, incels, and yumes who will keep fujos at the bottom. With the mainstream fandom being people who only want to go with what's trending, they'll only stick with popular slop which is why nothing innovative can ever flourish.
No.11721
>>11717Post-Young Dudes Sirus/Remus is bleak nona, good luck. Those older writers are a league of their own but sometimes you get hit with surprise piss fetishes and the like.
No.11725
>>11709This reminds me, while I wish they didn't draw it in the first place I do appreciate that for the most part JP and KR artists are polite enough to tag and hide this stuff behind a barrier.
No.11727
>>11726I'd rasher someone treat the relationship as a V shape over a triangle because writing the girl out reminds me too much of making girls evil in lazy writing, worse, make the man cheat.
I'm open to shitty people it's just that it diminishes the original character.
No.11728
actually speaking of polyships
I genuinely can't stand comments from people saying "he has two hands" or pushing poly over monogamy. Not for tradition, mostly because 98% of these people don't know how a poly romantic relationship works.
They don't, generally. People get jealous, and it feels so weirdly pushy to force the idea that all three characters would even be compatible. Why would Character B tolerate C? What makes Character C attracted to both A and Character B at the exact same time? It's so poorly thought out and performative
No.11729
My personal preference have an AU where 1) both guys are just friends with the girl 2) guy A is jealous over guy B getting female attention, so he fucks guy B or steals him away kek. However, angsty fics with unrequited love are pretty great if they make use of the girl in canon.
More pet peeves. When fic authors go out of their way to put in a bunch of modern sex-positive therapy, bdsm, whatever talk in fics where it's out of place as well. I don't want to hear about how open-minded and progressive guy A is, and how he loves to visit brothels or have casual sex with his polycule. I admittingly don't reading about hecking amazing brothels in fiction due to how awful prostitution is in real life, and I'm not a radfem either.
No.11730
>>11721>Post-Young Dudes Sirus/Remus is bleakNTA but how so? All I know about it is it spawned its own fandom. Is it really that good?
This post isn't automated by the way I'll type a little more to dodge this site's shitty ass filters? What am I doing wrong? Why is it such a chore to type a short post here? Fuck off.
No.11731
>>11728As a young girl I read some play about 60s free love hippies and after that I've seen that every generation thinks they're breaking norms and redefining relationships with polycules and shit.
No.11732
>>11728I don't mind polyships in theory but in practice I think it's a big challenge to write it in a way that all three relationships are meaningful. I remember reading one fic that was like 'A kissed B and then A kissed C and then B kissed C' and it feels like in trying to make all the affection equal, it ends up being hollow and bland in a way you don't get when there are just two people focused on each other. This is why I generally prefer threesome PWP to actual poly, or the V shaped dynamic where the two focused on the center are either rivals, casual fuckbuddies, or an established relationship using the third as a fucktoy.
No.11733
>>11717I wish there was an Ao3 extension that could crowdsource retroactive tags added to older works. Does anybody know if something like that already exists?
My ideal fanfic archive would have mandatory tags like
>main ship:>orientation of ship:>gender identity of ship:>content warnings:>tropes:>fetishes:>>11730>how soNTA but it's an instance of "very popular fic solidifies certain fanons in the culture" so if you liked previous characterizations/backstories for your blorbos this fic came along and knocked them all off the table. Everybody tries to ape the vibe of ATYD instead of considering canon and going from there. There is a modern Marauders fandom video by Uncarley on YouTube that I thought was funny/informative.
>Is it really that good?I didn't really care much about it. It feels a lot like A Little Life where if you filed the serial numbers off it would read like blatant pull-to-publish whump fiction.
>filtersSometimes I get hit with a filter because I've left the reply box open for too long, no matter the length of the post I eventually get around to sending. I have to copy the comment and refresh to post lol.
No.11734
>>11730I was the og anon who the person you're replying to replied to and apparently the All The Young Dudes is actually pretty good (according to a lc nona that started hate-reading it and said it was pretty funny despite being wildly OOC), but it totally changed how people conceptualize the Marauders era characters, one-note characters like Mary Macdonald, Marlene McKinnon and the Slytherins (Regulus, Evan Rosier, Barty Jr THO Barty Jr is actually a Ravenclaw canonically). More importantly, it reallly changed Remus' character into a broody, he-man sort of character and while apparently Sirius was more nuanced (i.e. destructive and apparently misogynistic while still dating Mary in the fic) in it, people inspired by this fic have made him a total hyper-fem twink. The dynamic in the fic apparently wasn't THAT heterosexual-with-extra-steps coded and apparently pretty bleak in some places INCLUDING the ending, but a lot of the readers of it have upturned the canonical personalities of the characters. Now, a lot of wolfstar is broody, manly Remus whose a total casanova x twinky (or trans, but not as bad as what they do with Regulus now), feminine simpering Sirius with none of his edge. It was always an AU that followed a lot of canonical beats, but it is extremely AU in characterization and has displaced the actual canon personalities of Remus and Sirius. There are some great new fics coming out, but for every good one there's like ten totally OOC ones AND there's too many where the secondary couple or primary one is James x Regulus which has JUMPED into popularity for like no real discernible reason other than maybe self-insert purposes since they ALSO make Regulus trans and the rare times he is not, he's a weak, totally misguided twink.
I'll never read All The Young Dudes since it'd waaaay too long and I like Remus having canonically loving parents while still being given a shit hand in life which I think is a nice foil to Sirius having shit parents and a prejudiced upbringing which informs his behaviours. No.11737
>>11728I think polyships can only work if the characters involved in the polyship all like each other and have been shipped with each other separately before at least often. The only genuine example I can find of a popular polyship is the kpop demon hunters yuri ship with the main girls.
I feel like sometimes someone's "polyship" is just "I like AxB and CxA and CxB so I'll mash them together so I can have them all"
No.11738
>>11730AYRT, exactly what other people have said. It got a lot of people into the fandom who haven't actually engaged with the canon, just fanfiction, which is irritating when I want grounded fic that feels like it takes place in Harry Potter, not someone's fanfic of a fanfic. And seconding both
>>11733 and
>>11734, its spawned a lot of very annoying and loosely connected self-insert stuff with Regulus.
No.11741
>>11734random anon replying but from a drarry shipper pov
I love the main marauders but i could never read their fics because i dont give a fuck about the other characters from that era, like who the hell is Dorcus
at this point i feel like the next gen era of the fandom (with scorpius and albus) is less daunting because at least you only have to deal with like 5 extra OCs rather than +20 extra
anyways i hate both their fans
No.11742
>>11741Draco looks like the Yes Chad here lmao
No.11744
>>11731It's nothing new, plenty of people in the 80s and 90s were swingers too– that stuff was just kept more on the downlow. I don't mind an idealized version in fanfic, but the people writing it often don't know how to balance a dynamic between two characters, let alone multiple.
No.11756
I consider Hoyoslop and the type of psychotic ship culture the games fandoms have to be everything wrong with modern gacha fans. It's always waiting for the company to serve you a "mandated ship" and people just see two characters talking for five minutes and say "this is the ship of this region" but the characters are so boring and the interactions are so bland and generic that the only topic is schizoposting about what ship the company really intends. It's not shipping based on cool characters and story, it's serving up tropes. The problem with so much media now is people think tropes are what sells you on a ship. Just tag in "there was only one bed" or "and they were roommates" as if that makes a ship automatically good. Good ships are more than only tropes, but these boring ass gachas like Hoyoslop that use ships only for marketing manage to make them boring because they're about selling tropes and getting fans to be schizo rather than writing a good story and ships just appearing because of that.
No.11789
I don't understand 2P/3P AUs. One of my fandoms it's all the western side seems to draw outside of self insert OCs now and I don't know how you're even meant to enjoy these. They don't look like the characters, they don't have the characters' personalities any more or even the same jobs or setting? They're just random ass OCs and they always have neon green hair and frilly outfits with ribbons. I'm sure that there's a way to have fun with them, they're all going crazy for it, but I'm not seeing any obvious pattern or rules deciding how it works. Can we go back to the actual series we got into the fandom for?
No.11794
>>11791Yeah, they started as palette swaps that the eastern fanbase were doing, and then somehow it turned into changing their hair styles and clothing too, then making these whole elaborate things where they're just not in the original setting any more. Like imagine it's set in a high school with boys who play instruments in a band, and then the 2P AU has them in lab coats and sunglasses chasing each other with giant syringes in a haunted hospital
and one of them has a gun. So the fighting part of your post is accurate, but it doesn't make sense for the series.
No.11809
>>10893I prefer seeing female characters who cracking a joke and silly goofballs, not bitchy, violent girlbosses who hit guys for petty reasons.
Everytime I see female characters put into BL fanarts tend to be insufferably angry or just plain annoying, why not just portray them as supportive, if enjoying seeing two guys kissing.
No.11850
>>11661I'm thankful I haven't seen an uptick in cuntboy shit in my RPF ships. But I swear 90% of ALL discussion is trannyism projection and envy.
>He is SO GENDER>omg this guy has the slightest non-hyper-masculine moment? so TRANS so GENDER>if this guy was in 2026 he would have been SO TRANS, cutting off his dead would have SAVED HIM>omg gender gender gender genderI hate it here.
No.11853
>>11852>i cant with minors in the fandom too, they want to invade adult spaces and get upset with adult topics, and it so common minors come complaining about everything i just saidYup, minors shouldn't be on the internet.
I am sorry to say it because I also was a minor on the internet but it’s honestly true. I’m not trying to sound like an helicopter parent but there’s way too much dark stuff online now. Gay fanfic is basically the least degenerate thing they could run into, lmao.
Just as an anecdote,I once checked out a one piece artist on twitter who was apparently 16, I scrolled down bit on my timeline and saw they mentioned June Lovejoy. I was immediately like nope. I’m out.
How do 16 years olds know about corn stars jc
No.11854
>>11703I've been saying this for years now. The ML pandering kills any ways of truly telling a well-written story and lulls the consoomer's brain into accepting only media where (your name) is the hero being admired and lusted after by impossibly attractive characters. It isn't even contained to gacha, a lot of booktok is young women unironically saying with their whole chest that they don't read books where they can't self insert. The narcissism is killing true storytelling. Fujoism can't prosper under the conditions where the main purpose is churn out stereotypical bachelors courting the main lead, even when the protagonist is male it's still clearly an otome experience focused around self insertion and not observing the relationship between two established characters. I hate it.
No.11855
>>11853>corn starsGrow the fuck up. This isn't tiktok
No.11856
>>11853>How do 16 years olds know about corn stars jcDo you not remember what it was like to be 16?
No.11857
>>11853Dark stuff was always there, even when I was a kid in the 90s and 00s. I think the main difference is you weren't always online at that point in time. I'd see something fucked up or read a weird story and then go outside and forget about it because I was still had activities and a life beyond being on my family computer.
No offense nonna, but being surprised a 16yo knows about porn stars is funny when I think back to how my classmates would bring in Playboy magazines and share what websites had suggestive gifs or hentai flash games.
In regards to
>>11852, minors also used to do everything in their power to pretend they weren't underage. Since you had to go looking harder for what you wanted, people were scared of not belonging on those spaces.
No.11858
>>11852>As for mafia BL, why is people so obsessed to cry because the story is too dark? WELL, you are reading a criminal world POV story OF COURSE IT IS GOING TO BE MESSED AND FUCKED UP, RETARD, go cry somewhere else.Agree. I specifically love mafia stories because they deal with dark themes, have ruthless characters and you're kept at the edge of your seat so it's exciting. The "crime boss who takes in a partner in debt and would sacrifice the world for them" only works if there's real tension, stakes and threat, if it actually takes advantage of the setting and doesn't just make it another vanilla alpha CEO fantasy where everyone acts wholesome and funny, nobody breaks the law and everyone always asks for consent. These people need to go back to their office romances and high school crush stories.
No.11859
>>11858I admit I don't read the mafia genre but I was under the impression that the mafia guys are usually 'secretly good boys' and would definitely never do anything that bad, especially not sell drugs, or maybe that's more otome? That new Pokemon guy kind of fits the bill of this though kek
No.11860
>>11857>when I think back to how my classmates would bring in Playboy magazines I used to feel left out when this would happen for reasons that weren't clear to me at the time. Now I terminally overshare everything.
No.11861
>>11859It depends, honestly. Older works definitely didn't shy away from the darkness of criminal organizations (i.e. Banana Fish which I haven't read but every bit of information I do know about it points towards this). Newer works do what you say sometimes, but there's a fair amount that still underscores the darkness of those settings (i.e. Miscreants And Mayhem, a manhwa). I think the ones that have "secretly good boys" usually are the more comedic ones or the setting is more secondary and/or its mostly implied rather than shown.
No.11862
>>11856i did not know porn stars names no
>>11857I mean you could say it doesn't leave an leftover image on you spefically, but i think it would have done specifically for minors, just because we were used to it doesn't mean it's good, we run across minors on the internet which act grossed out by nsfw, so why not?
No.11863
>>11852I'm afraid I'm guilty of writing very tame omegaverse, but even so I can't share it openly in some fandoms because of minor coddling. A character I like has a running gag about not being allowed to drink alcohol, and in one ep asks if anyone else is down to have sex while on drugs. So I write omegaverse where he deliberately takes medication he doesn't need because it makes you lose your shit in orgasm and convinces a drunk guy to kiss him, thinking in his delirium he can get a taste of alcohol from his mouth. The other guy is an unlikely alpha and is susceptible to being tempted into topping a sweaty boy. I'm allowed to make these things up, thank you bullshit setting. Everyone has moist huffy sex and wakes up the next day dehydrated and worrying what the neighbor heard but not at all questioning their enjoyment. Fun.
Except that the main venue for the western fandom is a discord server that, out of consideration for under 18s, bans mentions of alcohol, drugs, dubious consent, and ships with more than five years between them. Even on 18+ channels you have to hide it with trigger warnings and pray the mods don't take issue. How am I meant to omega my verse under these conditions!
>>11859The most common capacity for good is that they make exceptions for the love interest and their family, or only target members of a rival gang who "deserve it". If it's the boss then he never personally kills anyone and he might discipline his henchmen for "going too far" to show that he's somehow less bloodied. I think authors usually do a better job writing former hitmen or a manipulated child trying to escape, since angst and rejection of morally heinous acts are just easier to be consistent on. If they have to keep their hands dirty or be killed then it
is tougher to write without being cartoonish or reprehensible. I've read some manwha where they kept the bad boy bad and when it seemed like people preferred him to the other option they had to make excuses for him not being a complete asshole to the MC and starting to be romantic or tender, and frankly they did not pull it off. I didn't like him at the start and I never found a reason the MC should.
No.11864
>>11862I wouldn't argue that it's good, many things cause a person trauma in the right scenario. But having the ability to come across content that makes you uncomfortable and move on from it is an important skill that I think could easily be forgotten if minors aren't allowed in any online spaces period. Unfortunately, there isn't an easy fix because not only is the internet more overtly political and money-hungry nowadays, it's been used as a tool to essentially raise kids rather than something they can explore at their own pace alongside other activities/discussions.
Chronically online teens can be the worst enemy to adult fandom besides corporations, but it sucks no one creates places for them to have because a bunch of shareholders don't find it profitable enough anymore. In my opinion, that's why we keep seeing the overflow in to our spaces (which said corporations then seek to neuter for the 'safety' of all). If minors were encouraged to spend time on something Gaia Online-adjascent rather than hang out on Twitter or Instagram all day we, especially as fujos, would be better off.
No.11865
>>11859This reminds me of how in Luckydog the game made it clear that the protagonists did mafia stuff like assassinations and pimping but in order to make them look better the bad guys had to be cartoonishly evil so they went around killing children and threatening them with rape.
No.11869
>>11852Mafia stories are supposed to have an element of danger and a lack of morality among the criminals. I hate how fandom has stomped on it all because it makes them "uncomfy" and it's "bad." Same with people suddenly hating the Bully/Victim BL stories. I will always defend that dynamic because it's hot and it can go in so many ways besides the Bully raping the victim, but people see the word "bully" and unironically crybully how evil it is. Shut up none of this shit is real.
No.11873
>>11863What's the point of an 18+ channel if you have to hide everything that's 18+? Anyone getting triggered by dubcon and age gaps in a nsfw channel needs to rethink their life.
No.11879
>>11756I consider Hoyoverse part of the dumbing down of fandoms and the rise in moralfaggotry that ruined stories and shipping forever, up there with YA slop and therapyspeak indies. The ships are all so bland I can't believe they dominate AO3, There's no good enemies to lovers or rivals or intense anything because the characters are all too fucking bland. The yuri sucks too despite the company being praised for their yuri. There's just no conflict to make ships actually interesting, for all the worldbuilding every character feels the same, and what's worse is people actually like having a company tell them what to ship and they like fighting other people about it. Meanwhile I think all of them look retarded for thinking a company is sending them any message aside from "spend more money, piggie".
>>11854This is why I hate gachas and their hold on fujos now. It's not even the joseimuke that used to have some fun yaoibait, now its Hoyoslop with a mc so boring even yaoi can't save him, and yumes who sperg out at the thought of yaoi and who bully companies into getting rid of it. You can't have actual good fujo dynamics when there's no passione behind it and they give you some trappings of popular tropes but can't write characters deep enough to give a fuck about shipping. Which is why so much of it is self insert slop.
No.11890
>>11879Some BL genshin ships are alright but they are not popular lmao. But since they won't commit to writing characters with flaws, let alone write actual villains, it's all super bland lmao. I'm partial to Dottore/Scaramouche precisely because they are an exception to the rule. But yuri ships have it even worse. There's literally no actual female villains, and barely any female character who has actual flaws. Furina? Arlefuri had an actual interesting dynamic going on for like 1 month and then nothing.
It's such a nothingburger franchise if you want a bit of spice in your ships lol
No.11891
>>11873Pretty much. People will claim "Lol I'm such a degenerate kinkster" but the most they can handle is very tame monsterfucking with 'consentacles'.
No.11896
>>11890It's not even just the lack of villains but flaws and conflicts in general where they would make sense but everything is either quickly resolved or just ignored forever, which is boring. I've seen more interesting conflicts in sports anime or even idolshit, which is sad. I think Hoyo fujos don't know any better or don't want to play those games if they think incels sloppy seconds are a feast.
>There's literally no actual female villains, and barely any female character who has actual flaws. Furina? Arlefuri had an actual interesting dynamic going on for like 1 month and then nothing.This has been making me angry for so long and the recent update is why I hate Hoyoshit and Genshin especially now. All the female harbingers have to be waifus. Columbina was such a big disappointment but they got some "cute yuris" with Sandrone who wasn't an antagonist but just a tsundere. The fandom of course eats up this writing and loves this so no one will ever ask for any female characters with a personality and if you don't love that they're all damsels in distress then YOU are the misogynist. Arle was such a letdown too. She was so popular and Arlefuri was cool for five minutes but then Arle had to be declawed and now she's traveler's friend and all her ships need to be soft and cute too. It's so bland and no one wants any variety which is a waste of such a big cast when everyone wants every "regional ship" to be the same boring domestic crap, yaoi or yuri. How do people not get bored? I wish something else would get the normies fic writers since no one good wants to write for the gacha games with more interesting yaoi.
No.11898
>>11891It's performative. These discord friendly kinks are a personality trait and need to be communicated in a safe, social media friendly way. Talk to these people for any prolonged period of time and you'll find that the kinks they talk about and what they think about when they're trying to cum are very different things. Chasing social clout and insecurity make people act in strange ways.
No.11905
>>11896I have zero expectations for female characters being well written in hoyo game so I am never disappointed. I do like how Furina was handled, but she's the exception to the rule. They're all so bland.
I am personally being held hostage by how sexy I find Wanderer's suffering and actively suicidal tendencies, but I can at least acknowledge the shipping is boring, unless you start making shit up. In a way I wish ants were right and kaeluc was REAL incest. Would be more interesting that way at least lmao
No.11907
>>11898>Talk to these people for any prolonged period of time Anon who posted the original complaint, and I'd rather not, I can't find a single one who doesn't include their cuntboy self insert whenever they lewd canon characters. One of them had a full meltdown because I only ever wrote lewd about the character they like and didn't include their OC. It was super awkward having someone call the admin in and indirectly rant that they hated every conversation with me. Conversations where I was trying to cheer them up and accommodate their preference. Needless to say I gave up talking in that server because every time I wrote and drew for them they had an issue with it. It troubles me though, because I'm still in there for the update notifs and look in from time to time, and without me the "stans" of my fav mischaracterize him more and more. I want to chase them with a stiff garden broom.
No.11908
>>11907I should add a positive note: I got to see their reactions to a new chapter drop, and those idiots were all going "I don't get what he meant?? what happened????" You call yourself his fan and you can't even understand him being so typically him it was the punchline, lol. lmao even. Amazing. I'll just pocket my added canon fuel for the most popular ship in Japan that you banned and carry on writing about them drunk touching weenies and being very cuddly.
No.11912
>>11864>>11873I'm overtly sexual in my server to make it clear this is in fact an adult server and we talk about things like rape on the constant. Not in a 16 year old trying to show off how mature and sex-obsessed they are, but in a, no bars over every post kind of way
No.11915
This is completely my own fault but currently I have an obsession for Red hot x deep blue which is most commonly tagged as fire emoji water drop emoji and it's a ship where I don't want them reversed. The "problem" is that their art is pretty common on bluesky too and sometimes I'll just click on the nsfw gate too soon on reflex before properly reading the tag and I'll make myself upset by clicking on water drop emoji fire emoji.
No.11916
>>11661It's not just RPF but fujo communities in general have been invaded by fujoyume tourists who are responsible for all the cuntboy and genderbending shit since they simply can not imagine a relationship existing without penis in vagina sex, breasts or pregnancy, and I'm talking about actual vaginal biological female pregnancy, not the omegaverse cloaca fantasy pregnancy.
No.11917
>>11873Say it louder. Something like dubcon is such a traditional vanilla kink that I'm always shocked at people who are unironically triggered by it. Like do you faint at the sight of a papercut too? I get not liking it and being bothered to a degree it's an annoyance, but I met an adult person who said it was a huge squick for her to the point she didn't want to see it at all and it didn't compute with me. I would get being put off by actual noncon/rape but I'd expect people to tolerate soft kinks like "oh no please don't touch me down there tee hee" or an age gap relationship between consenting adults.
No.11918
>>11869People who are into mafia themes but hate violence and crime and are immediately turned off by substance abuse mystify me. Like what exactly did you expect from a mafia setting? Just people in sexy suits being mildly dubious? Blackmail, murder, human trafficking, gambling, drugs and smuggling etc. are par for the course for a mafia environment, I don't know why they don't want to commit to the bit. The "living outside the laws of society and making a living via organized crime" is the entire point of mafia.
>>11898Something that I've bizarrely enough noticed is that the people who scream the loudest about being degenerates everywhere they can are often the people with the softest preferences but the people who don't talk about their kinks outside of private conversations are the actual degenerates. I remember when I found out that my mild-mannered friend who barely talks about anything sexual in shared company is into some really freaky shit and has a huge sex drive while another friend who acts all horny and thirsty to the point it's borderline embarrassing gets filtered by the most basic kinks kek
No.11925
>>11918>people in sexy suits being mildly dubiousThere is a plot point in the kuroshitsuji anime, the circus arc. Guy wants to be in the hot criminal club, but he's too ugly and clumsy. The people in the club literally just hang around looking like rich badasses and do absolutely nothing. I don't know if it's filer or not, but that stood out to me because it read- to me- like a jab at ow people write mafias in fanfiction.
I also have been in RP communities since I was 10. It's always been like this. From myspace clones to inuyashajourney. Normies, weebs, they all want to be the sopranos soooo bad but miss the point of the sopranos. Or Tony Montana while jumping around his flaws until they simply want to be the man on the black/white poster. Not the guy who is questioned if he wants to fuck his own sister because of how obsessively controlling he is over her sex life.
I dropped any attempt at doing crime rp with people because nobody wanted to do drugs. Nobody wanted to harm anyone unless they were elementary school bullying my character. I quit because I can't trust to find someone who actually wants to write a lightning in a bottle, flash of a high life that will only end miserably for everyone involved.
That rant is something I can't exactly post at large because people will take it as a slight against them instead of acknowledging they can't handle dark themes like adults.
No.11926
>>11925What circus arc? The one with Joker and Doll?
If you're talking about the group that the fat guy in bandages wanted to hang out with they're literally involved in human trafficking and raping and murdering kids in satanic rituals. And were probably involved in more crimes off screen. I won't go into details if you haven't read or watched everything because of spoilers. No.11927
>>11925Nonna, I have the same experience. Been in RP communities since I was 10 years old, people claim to be into themes around organized crime but they never want to go beyond losers doing diamond heists or well-meaning golden retriever thugs. Ended up writing my own original stories to get all the ideas out of my system, all the horrible people doing serious crimes with no regard for the people they hurt, and the sexual degeneracy that comes with the territory, drug abuse, violent and immoral behavior fueled by dirty money, the whole package. I absolutely hate the woobification of mafia themes because it brings in tourists who just want to look badass but never act the part.
No.11928
>>11926thank you for the correction. I misremembered. That said though- I don't think the men were actually shown on screen doing it, just talking about it, which is the most people seem to be able to handle in fan spaces
No.11929
>>11928More details about these evil noble guys come out in later arcs little by little to be fair. It's part of Ciel's backstory but we see the whole flashback as to what happened to him after his death way later. You're right though, a lot of fujoshi pretend they can handle such topics in fiction but they actually don't like it and never talk about the plot when it comes to Black Butler. They just stick to reposting memes about it sometimes.
No.11930
>>11918> I remember when I found out that my mild-mannered friend who barely talks about anything sexual in shared company is into some really freaky shit and has a huge sex drive while another friend who acts all horny and thirsty to the point it's borderline embarrassing gets filtered by the most basic kinks kekShipping law says these two should fuck.
No.11981
>>11980what's the context here
No.11984
>>11979Same, nona. I feel like an old hag in any given 18+ fannish server. What the hell does unc mean?
No.12002
>>11984It's short for uncle. To call someone old. What really gets me in those servers is how you can go months without any language issues (aside from their need to always say "ew ew gross" and "I HATE IT" at art and merch) and then one week suddenly everything is unc and chopped and nobody discussed what those were, they all just started saying them constantly so whole channels are just single word messages saying one or the other. They're like a hivemind, it's scary.
No.12003
>>12002zoomers think being insincere and making jokes all the time is cool, while caring and acting genuine is cringe.
No.12008
>>11979>friends who are fans, not fandom friendsThis is a hard one. The best I've managed is all of my friends know I'm a fujo (and know what fujos even are) so if they see some foolishness on weeb social media they come to me for a QRD. Given the current state of they internet they all recognize me as a sort of canary in the coal mine because I was talking to them about how puritanical/rightoid zoomers were getting in like 2015.
I'm blessed with a few niche OTP girlies who are mid/late 30s like me and while I wish we were closer I'm just really glad that they are around. I only met them 2 years ago but it feels like we grew up together (because we essentially did grow up together, except the shared hometown was "being a fujoshi online in the 00s").
No.12025
>>12002Its also AAVE that most of these very white zoomers are butchering
No.12204
I stopped caring about Evangelion a long time ago but seeing people shit on Kawoshin because of the new content is making me angry. I know we never get anything good with these franchises. I know it's common for a lot of fujos to love doomed yaoi because it's all we get in mainstream franchises but I'm tired. I want guys who are leads and who get together. Even yuri fans get better shows with actual canon couples and they don't settle for slop anymore. I want that. The last anime I remember that actually treated the lead couple well was Yuri on Ice, and we all know what they did to that. At least the original show is still there and the lead end up together. But for other anime I'm tired of feeling like we haven't moved past the 90s at all. I'm tired of unrequited or doomed homo in anime. Then the few times they do greenlight a BL it's a terrible adaptation or they can't make anything with a plot because men would rather see cute girls than anything homo.