No.11350[Last 50 Posts]
Post cringy anti-fujo takes to laugh at or discuss
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>>8898 No.11355
>>11350I can't even think of a modern fujo fandom where there are only men who are feminine enough to pass as women to normies. That's ignoring the popularity of live-action shit as well. Might have a point if it's only referring to fanart but their fellow ftms are the ones with the biggest feminization kinks kek
No.11364
>>11362I was just about to post about this.
I'm so sick and tired of these post. I swear they never chastise moids or troons who like yuri like this. Why do people see it fit to harshly attack what women find hot? They write whole ass think pieces about our 'reasons' for liking bl they're on the same level as those alpha male podcasters who try and 'figure out the female psyche.'. Honestly idk why ppl are surprised that some women don't like heavily fit guys or overly fat guys?
But if we call these guys misogynistic for trying to make the 'female sexuality' be either nonexistent of fit in the way they see just surely we'll be the bad guys.
Also isn't bara sometimes worst than the yaoi a woman may write?
No.11366
>>11362>Fake ragebaitThey fell hard, my goodness.
>>11364>It falls into fetishizing and JUST fetishizing. It's really, really annoying to see people pretend that 100% of fujos only consume Stoic rapechad seme/Moeblob crybaby uke. Who cares even if they do, for one, and second it tries to paint fujos as this monolith just to be used as "shame on them!" fuel for slapfights like these. Muscular/bigger bottom enjoyers do in fact exist. They probably have read bara/geikomi works that break away from the distinctive look. And that's just it! Most bara/geikomi have (at least for me) an extremely distinctive look/vibe to them that I just can not appreciate. The men are rarely just "muscular" they're usually "strongfat" and built like fucking barrels. Their faces are, on average, far less cute compared to the ones I'd get in BL. There's typically way more body-hair, to say nothing of outright being more raunchy in general (fisting being more commonplace, for example.) A fujo not being into most bara is not some affront to poor gays it's literally just a preference, and a fair one because as a base-line the content is a hard divergence from the content that she probably got into M/M material for. Why does it gotta be painted as "those darn homophobic fujos" when it's literally just some poor chick not wanting to see a guy built like Chunky Kong (and just as hairy, usually) getting a fist shoved up his ass? Like, be reasonable, now. Bara isn't simply just muscular, bigger dudes (which tbh is probably what a lot of these tards think) it's made by and for men, and that comes with the way, way different approach to eroticism.
No.11367
>>11362I know the original video is fake and just ragebait, I got it very clear, but I still really hate it. The fact that it caused stupid discourse around it doesn't help.
No.11368
>>11362Next they should make 'Showing Aidens Gengoroh Tagame manga'.
No.11370
>>11362do they actually think fujos have never seen ugly gay dudes before? with the state of mrm no one is safe from barashit exposure
No.11371
>>11362>>11364Wait are they just showing their coworker straight up pornography at work? Isn't that harassment? Like, sexual harassment of a female minority? If you're going to take it seriously then shouldn't you question the context?
No.11372
>>11371It's a joke… also jokes on them I don't hate bara.
No.11374
>>11366This. I dislike good number of bara for most of the reasons listed and expecting a straight woman to like the same things gay men do is asking too much. There is overlap between gay men and straight women ditto straight men and gay women. But in the end, being a woman means a different kind of appeal compared to a man. I've been pretty critical of the male gaze misuse outside of academic analysis, but bara is the male gaze but centered on the assumption the viewer is a gay man and not a straight woman then panders accordingly.
Speaking for me, I do like bl more than bara but I sometimes wished a mixture of aspects I've enjoyed from both were more common instead having giant hand dorito chins with no ass and hampig roidbeast on the other end. No.11376
>>11372lol I think the other anon meant that the twitter intellectuals who took the tiktok seriously are so focused on their shallow anti-fujo narrative that they failed to notice that the scenario of a guy showing his female coworker hardcore pornography at work counts as sexual harassment.
>>11366it's all just so silly, they act like fujos are demanding gay men irl cater to their personal aesthetic preferences. didn't you know, homophobia is when women have personal sexual preferences that have 0 impact on bara communities whatsoever. if these people left their bubbles they'd also realize that there's plenty of dudes who became fudanshi in recent years who actively prefer BL to geikomi, especially in japan, specifically because they prefer the ikemen types more common in BL.
No.11377
>>11352>A post about murdering women because they are "transphobic"Did you really need to check?
No.11378
>>11377nta but sometimes it can be a hardcore handmaidens, protecting trannies from the evil terfs etc
No.11379
>>11364>bara discourse>twitter retards pretending roided fuckers with small penises due to testosterone are attractive and fujos are le evil for not liking thatpls, it's not fujos, it's just normies don't have a muscle fetish and never will.
No.11397
>>11395>golden age of colleen hoovers booktop slop, taylor swifts and sabrina carpenters>unironically calling "fujoshism" the "epitome of heterosexuality">doompost about the eradication of women in romance when BL is still niche as fuck in mainstream mediaIt's hilarious (to me)
No.11398
>>11395Its hilarious how they don't realize how incredibly narcissistic they are.
They wanna self insert because they wanna be fucked by some anime bro and complain about fujos being heterosexual? lmao
Fujo explore heterosexuality from a voyeuristic perspective, yumes etc instead just wanna be the girl in pov, which shows because they always self insert into the love interest or the girl with a romance going on, and they never ever care about any other female character that has nothing going on romance wise.
No.11401
>>11397one normie gay hockey show really made all these yumeshitters brains explode
No.11403
>>11395It's both funny and sad when these people basically admit they're unable to enjoy anything unless they self-insert.
No.11406
>>11395>eradicate womenLove and deepspace is more of a sausage fest than most bl manga I've read.
No.11407
>>11406LADS is a funny one because all the male love interests get the lore and character development while the female MC remains a blank slate cardboard. As long as yumes can comfortably self-insert into their customised avatars to ogle, poke and dress their husbandos "male-centredn narrative" is no longer an issue.
Also IIRC the CN dialogue for Sylus (or whoever) was plagiarising word for word the CN fan TL for Payback which is a BL Manhwa. I know CN yumes were fucking seething kek
No.11408
>>11401Again, fucking around with their unintended takes, but if this is all backlash to Heated Rivalry then isn't it the most roundabout xenophobia so far?
>Canadian TV show about Canadian and Russian ice hockey players>presumably based on Canadian books>"JAPANESE WOMEN ARE CLEARLY AT FAULT" No.11409
>>11407Speaking of the CN crowd, don't they have this weird penchant for plagiarizing BL works and turning it het? I remember there was controversy in the BL world how some CN yume writer used a BL to create "Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms."
I will never understand why they can't just create their own works without stealing from BL kek
No.11410
>>11409I think they like the general dynamics, but want to self insert and can't do that with a male character.
I don't think I understand yumes in general: I have zero attraction to BL guys. I'm not interested in them; I'm interested in their story/romance/etc. Same goes for het pairings tbh, although I tend to like those less. Someone's enjoyment of a fictional romance being contingent on whether or not that can imagine themselves being romanced is bizarre to me.
No.11416
>>11408NTA I don't think they were referring to Japanese women specifically but rather fujos and M/M fandoms in general
No.11418
>>11417Yurifags are so performative
No.11422
>>11417I'm watching this show today kek. Literally one Canadian show about attractive gay hockey players has caused this much seethe.
No.11423
>>11417But if I posted a disheveled porn addicted moid in a dress to represent the average yuritard i'd be the bad guy kek.
Gotta watch this now. Anything that makes lesbian fetishizing moids and handmaidens angry is something I can support.
No.11424
>>11417people are so lame about it. i thought there would be less sperging since apparently actual gay(tm) men like it which really puts a damper on that one argument that bl is bad because it's only for women while conveniently ignoring that the worst, most vocal yuri fans are unwashed neckbeards. Tho, I do think it would be nice if there was a yuri hockey series since PWHL is historically and currently full of lesbians but i don't trust it would be directed or written by a real woman which is the crux of the problem for many lesbian films.
No.11428
>>11416You know what the word "unintended" means?
>>11417Ah yes, everyone knows that women who love to watch two men going at it without their involvement are obsessed with… claiming a single man as their sole property and keeping him to themselves so no other woman can have him? Also the irony posting that actress if they ever complain that we're the misogynists.
>>11424We almost had a girls ice hockey anime and then they had to make it about fucking idols again, and guys still watched it and tried to ship the girls.
No.11431
>>11428>unintended xenophobiaThat's a huge reach
No.11432
>>11431Fujoshi is a Japanese word. How do you think their complaints read to an outsider who has to google what "fujoshi" is?
No.11433
>>11432You have normies using "fujoshing out" in articles and letterboxd reviews. The mainstream anime normies that think Gojo Satoru is the "goat" and Demon Slayer is "so fucking peak" know about m/m shipping among fujos. Fujoshis are no longer le exotic japanese rotten women known only to weaboos, especially not on twitter where everybody and their crazy uncles are chronically online. Which is precisely why we're witnessing so much dogshit discourse these days because the normies have entered fandom spaces
No.11466
An artist I liked deleted their entire gallery and I was curious wondering if they simply had an Artist Moment of deleting everything but as I looked deeper into it, it led me to an entire rabbit hole of chinese hetshipper groups that hates fujos with seething hatred and think shiping BL is female erasure/female abuse. Literally every western harasser wet dream of "you like yaoi? so you want to kill women?" type of shit. Insane stuff.
No.11467
>>11466Chinese fangirls are so extreme it takes me a moment to internalize that they're serious.
Because there's often little logic to it, just being triggered and actually going insane.
There's an artist I follow who HATES an interpretation of a character as soft but as a comic book character, there is no one and only version of him. But she obsessively posts about this specific variant day and night and really, I just want to see dick
No.11468
>>11466Girl if you only saw the utter seething and debilitating autism that Chinese Nezha yumes had for the Nezha fujos. It was another level of woman-on-woman violence, and all over Ao Guang and two characters who aren't even canon at all.
https://www.tumblr.com/yunsound/776235148840747008https://dorkshadows.tumblr.com/post/776258837055520768/the-writeup No.11470
>>11469It seems like Harry Potter is going to make up some of the top 10 ships, so that crash out is going to be funny.
No.11471
>>11470Doesn't it always. Darry army is strong.
No.11472
>>11470>>11471HP stays relevant, JKR keeps winning. TRAs can cope and seethe.
No.11473
>>11470You would think they would understand by now that you can't get people to boycott the most popular children's book series of all time by now kek.
No.11474
>>11473It's a little funny.
People who were mad at Hogwarts being a successful game came off as an insane spoiler cult. Like Rowling programmed and made the entire project in her office and not a team, wholly disconnected and just looking to build their resumes and get paid. Any and all kind of boycotting looks more performative than a circus
No.11475
Yuri fans get so many yuri anime announced every month, they have the most bait and fanservice in every gacha game while most gachas are abandoning fujos and anime barely wants to pander to fujos at all. Yet they still do nothing but cry on twitter that fujos aren't writing fics for free for them and like they're starving for content.
No.11478
>>11475selfish egotistical men are selfish and egotistical. Even if they have a flag next to their username.
No.11479
>>11475>Yet they still do nothing but cry on twitter that fujos aren't writing fics for free for them and like they're starving for content.I think it's a kind of control tactic, a bit like 'TWAW!!'
They know they can get away with being unreasonable, and that a lot of women in fandom spaces will fall over themsleves trying to coddle TIMs. If they capitulate and write yuri (and lets be real, troons actually want tranny on lesbian porn to goon to, because they're rapey freaks), then that's proof that the authors/artists will fall into party lines.
No.11480
>>11475It's because the people actually into yuri, like who watch yuri anime and read yuri manga / djs / whatever are MEN, including TROONS. Not women who retweet fanart and virtue signal about the most popular f/f couple in their fandom every once in a while.
No.11481
>>11480>It's because the people actually into yuri are MENNot true, that horse has been beaten to death by now. Original yuri manga is quite popular with women
>>11417It's crazy how little it takes for people (including women) to see women as dangerous freaks. Bleak
No.11482
>>11481She is right thou, a majority of the yuri fans who are women are mostly shoujo fans, always into hyperfeminine things like sanrio lolita etc
It's almost like they like yuri because women are perfect feminine angels (which is why they hate fujos, goes against this pure angel trad shit)
No.11490
>>11482finding actually good yuri is pretty hard too in manga/manwha/manhua, at least in the english translated pool of them. A lot of it is either high school or pretty sexless especially in manga. Manwha and manhua yuri, however, does actually seem to be genuinely written by women and for women most times and they tend to skew towards adulthood rather than school girls a lot. Though manhua is mostly sexless because of Chinese censorship and I don't really care for most artstyles used for it. Manwha has a lot of sex, but I do find that the dominant women don't really get reciprocal pussy eating or fingering which makes me sad for some reason and I don't finish the stories for it. I read a lot more yaoi works and fanfics, but weirdly enough I don't like to watch live-action BL like heated rivalry and prefer lesbian live-action films (but those specifically written and ideally directed by women)
No.11497
>>11490Yeah I'm the anon
>>11480 here and there's definitely a difference between GL manwha readers and the demographic who watches seasonal yuri anime. Most legit western yurifags are into f/f pairings from western shows too. I didn't mean to start the retarded LC fujoshi yuri debate, love and peace. Fighting about preferences in fictional media is overall retarded, and I have no hate for yumes or himes just vibing.
>>11491Objectifying men makes life more fun
No.11501
>>11403So much material for
>>5538 !
No.11505
>>11491but yumes do it for woke reasons i guess
No.11506
>>11469is the point of posting ao3 stats to force fujos into writing w/w or hetshit? i don't get it, she posts the same shit every year and nothing changes
No.11507
>>11482>always into hyperfeminine things like sanrio lolita etcSo? Fujos into these things abound aswell.
>It's almost like they like yuri because women are perfect feminine angels Female yuri authors tend to make angsty yuri which is then picked up by female readers, they're not quite the same as male yurifag
>>11497Yeah tbh i always thought it was weird it's a recurring debate since all of these groups massively overlap
No.11508
>>11506She's raising awareness for how disproportionate some things are in fandom like M/M and Asian/White pairings but I don't get why it should make people including the nonnas here mad, it's interesting to look at the top 100 regardless of the person behind the chart. **Actually I take it as the opposite fujos stay winning."
No.11509
>>11506yes, basically. the stats on ao3 are tagged with
>Gender, Gender in Fandom, Sexism in Fandom, Race, Race in Fandom, Racism in fandomand you can read about her opinions and thoughts on these things here, for example
>https://archiveofourown.org/works/16976571>https://archiveofourown.org/works/16939011/chapters/39802335>https://archiveofourown.org/works/16976958 No.11510
>>11509>In the light of the AO3 survey, especially the result that most M/M fans surveyed were non-heterosexual women,Doubt.
No.11511
>>11509Imagine caring about the race of a fictional character drawn in 2D as basically white. Or an alien with the face of somebody asian. Is Thancred Final Fantasy white despite being from the FF Ottoman Empire? Is Tseng FF7 Japanese/Chinese because he has asian face? (he isn't from Wutai either)
What does that make 2B or 2P? White? Black? She's an android who can literally swap hair and skin color with the exact same everything else.
No.11512
>>11509Gawd, the guilt trip. I like femslash, I do, but my god, shit like this makes me never want to write it again.
No.11513
>>11509She genuinely believes that reading femslash is political activism. Good lord
No.11514
>>11509>"well, it's because fandom is full of straight women [citation needed]"kek
>If you read this far, you would probably find examining your own reasons for enjoying M/Mcute men getting fucked is hot, next
>an interesting, if potentially uncomfortable, experienceinteresting sure, uncomfortable no
>If you are uncomfortable with your own reasons for reading what you do, then try to change your habits.nah I think I'm good
No.11516
>>11509>If you would be interested in producing your own fanworks for female charactersProbably the thing I hate the most about Centreoftheselights' logic is treating romance fanfiction as if it were the only avenue for transformative fandom works. Let get this out of the way, AO3 is a site for romance and smut writing first and foremost. There's Gen fics and works that aim to go beyond just being Very Well Written Porn (even some original fiction), but most users are there to indulge in smut. I have never posted a work on AO3, but that's pretty much how me and my friends use it - think of a distribution of 65% slash 35% Gen/other/the rare het or femslash fic.
But the thing is, this reflects absolutely nothing of what I, as an online fanartist, do to contribute to fandom: I might not be reading, writing, or depicting femslash in any way, yet around 70% of my online portfolio still consists of female characters, because I have a lot that I really like.
Am I bound to treat and engage with my male and female favorites differently? Well, yeah, I'm a straight woman after all!
Am I somehow more misogynistic than some male yurifag just because I don't really care about femslash/yuri, even if I show my appreciation for female characters in other ways? According to Centreoftheselights and others in her circle, apparently.
No.11517
>>11509Imagine a guy writing a note like this at the end of a nsfw comic, asking the readers to examine why they like assault, ryona or ntr,and ask them to change their habits to read more "politically" correct shit.
There would be no end to the amount of hard F he would get.
Until women start bullying the shit out of women who do this, it will never stop.
No.11518
>>11517AFAIK she has always received criticism and the disclaimer on her latest post says a lot of the latest reactions "have crossed the line". But yeah, you never see women actually push back against people like this in fandom spaces.
No.11520
>>11509there's more lesbian characters in video games than gay male ones i wonder why they never bitch about that
No.11521
>>11518>she always received criticism male fandoms would turn her into a meme across the internet, it would not stop at mere criticism.
It's why people like Andrew Dobson became such laughing stocks.
No.11522
>>11521At the end of the day I think most people are just interested in the ship ranking itself and tune in for that every year. Considering that only the ranking chart is what blows up on socmed, most people probably don't even know about her views and motivations. And if she wasn't providing these charts no one would pay her any mind to begin with lol.
No.11523
>>11522yes but bitter f/f and straight shippers support her so they can have their yearly scolding for fujos. not that it ever works but it's how they cope.
No.11524
>>11523Don't insult me.
Straight shippers don't care. The one's who don't give a shit make their own work, and ignore the drama. The ones who don't make anything, can't write, well, and rely on other people to create fanart are the ones who argue
No.11525
>>11521He's not even comparable, he's always gotten shit not for being self-righteous but for his "woah is me, anime ruined my art forever" bullshit and a thousand other micro hot takes like hating the 3D Zelda titles. Don't know why you're comparing them, Anita might be a better internet punching bag to evoke, but even then ship politics are very small groups of very loud individuals and there aren't any big examples I can think of.
>>11522This, she can wax about F/F all she wants but people are just here to see if their OTP made the list. I don't think most people care what her opinions are, something something, death of the author.
No.11526
>>11508Because "raising awareness" is fucking stupid over fanfic and all it does is drum up fujoshi hate and treat fanfic as activism, which is moralfag bullshit.
The only thing this list confirms to me is how much anime has really fallen off in terms of fujo pandering. Obviously AO3 has always skewed towards Western media, but I remember Western media fans used to also write for anime. Hikaru no Go and Prince of Tennis would be getting fics written by the same adult authors who would be writing for Harry Potter. Clamp was king.
Now there's barely any new anime on the list when YOI blew up with fic writers just like Heated Rivalry did. You have some mainstays like BNHA and BSD but there's no new shows. It seems like the fic writers went to gachas like Hoyoslop. Even Hazbin Hotel has gotten more Japanese fujo artists recently than any new anime property.
No.11527
>>11526Are you upset about the chart existing or only the person behind it?
>>11526>how much anime has really fallen off in terms of fujo panderingIt's shocking how much Chinese stuff is on the chart, I assume a lot of them are just there due to the increase of Chinese authors on Ao3, but most of the "big" games in recent years are Chinese gacha, it's sad.
No.11528
>>11527>It's shocking how much Chinese stuff is on the chartAo3 is like a third Chinese this year since erotica got banned off of their sites like lofter
No.11529
>>11528Wait so what happened to that AO3 ban? The ones caused by mentally ill yumes that reported Chinese fujos to the CCP? Are they just using VPNs?
No.11530
>>11529Everyone in China uses a VPN
No.11532
>>11527I hate the person who makes the chart and their takes on race and wanting to start discourse.
I don't mind seeing Chinese stuff unlike most people here, fujos can make anything and have fun even though I hate Hoyoslop, fujos writing from properties where male creators are hostile is nothing new. It's more how sad Japan dropped the ball with pandering to fujos at all with anime. Look at the most popular anime recently, and most of the couples from them are M x F because the shows center around a het relationship. Meanwhile no new shounen seems as homobaity as the older ones so nothing new for fujos to move onto if they want a bit of plot to write with their blorbos, which is why they've been moving to Chinese games and Korean webtoons.
No.11533
>>11532Aren't there multiple homobait shonen manga being made by fujos right now? (One got axed I think?) I think that most people just end up gravitating towards the most mainstream anime and gacha obsession is a mix of sunk cost fallacy and endless potential future 'content' for your faves/ship.
No.11534
>>11533Yeah from what I can gather it's not just fujos but also men gravitating towards gacha and vtubers. Back when I was still on 4chan I've seen anons lament the death of traditional VNs because gacha took over.
No.11539
>>11533It depends on the gacha. A lot of them don't have fics either but something like Genshin fills the void left by a lot of anime and jrpgs, and yes traditional VNs too. It's the constant content and world to play around in that always attracts fic writers, even if the canon isn't very good. The problem is people are leaving anime because anime isn't offering anything to fujos now. Previous years you used to see ships from Haikyuu and Bungo Stray Dogs on there, and while I think some ships are holding on, there's nothing new. Both BNHA and JJK were the last big with fujos shounen and they both ended. Other homobait shounens just aren't popular enough because they're not in WSJ. Anime that could appeal to fujos doesn't get simulcasts, or they're barely even made. Gacha took over from VNs because we don't even ones like Ace Attorney that was big with fujos. A ship from Hundred Line made it because of Kodaka's brand, but even that didn't get a huge fandom probably because its so long it filters the people who can only handle games like Persona 5.
I even see fujos who mostly liked anime getting into Hazbin Hotel because it has the type of big cast, wacky characters, some form of plot and multiple kinds of ships that fic writers love. Anime needs to do more like that to get fujos writing fic again in the West, because the big normie series are just too heterosexual. There's nothing like Naruto and Sasuke for modern big shounen. The most popular anime with normies lately were Dress up Darling, Frieren, and Chainsaw Man. Nothing fujo friendly like the old days. The only kind of homobnait shounen I can see maybe getting popular is Marriagetoxin, but that's if it proves to not be bait and if Western fandom doesn't try to make it heterosexual anyway.
No.11540
>>11533I agree. i don’t get the blaming on anime/manga for not pandering when it definitely does. the most popular medias usually appeal to the lowest common denominator aka slop that also appeals to men. a lot of “anime/manga fans” are only interested in anime only mainstream shounen fotm. gacha itself is made to be addictive so it’s popularity doesn’t surprise me although I’m not a fan
No.11541
>>11539>claims western fujos are leaving anime because anime isn't offering anything to fujos now>BSD is still in the top 100 and is still ongoing. JJK AND BNHA were extremely popular with fujos and only just ended>acknowledges that there are still fujobait shounen that just aren’t in WSJlol yeah I don’t think fujos are “leaving anime” at all and even if they were it wouldn’t be because of lack of pandering
No.11542
>>11540New anime is definitely pandering less and fujos are even admitting it. I don't know why people get into denial about it.
No.11543
>>11542>Sk8>Jujutsu Kaisen>Hikaru ga Shinda>Visual Prison>Yuukoku no Moriarty>Hypnosis Mic>BnHA>Fairy Ranmaru>Blue Lock>Mashle>Sankaku Mado no Sotogawa wa Yoru>Tasogare Out FocusThrow in Chainsaw Man having some Angel Devil and Aki stuff though it does nothing for me and the show is mainly het.
Honestly think there is a comparable amount of new works that scratch that itch we also have more shows which are actually just BL and not bait if those appeal to you. Isekai no Sata wa Shachiku Shidai started today and I'm looking forward to it.
No.11544
>>11542I feel like this sentiment is just nosalgia talking tbh
No.11545
>>11544I think people look at past anime fujoships with a lot of nostalgia because let's be entirely honest here, something like Naruto and Death Note were absolutely not fujo pandering in the slightest but they had a large amount of fujo following due to most of them being products of their time and simply having men on screen. The fujo of the 2000s was less picky than modern fujo. Modern fujos have a lot of different media to choose from now, so they don't end up having picking up scraps from random series unless that's just what they like
No.11546
>>11545> I think people look at past anime fujoships with a lot of nostalgiaI don’t think that’s entirely true. NaruSasu is like the anime KirkSpock, an iconic ship that birthed a whole generation of fujos, and not by coincidence. Naruto and Sasuke have subtext so intense (and their canon love interests are so shallow) that even straight male fans admit NaruSasu could have been canon if one of them was a girl.
Fujobait series often fit the following criteria
> cast full of bishes> intense relationship between male characters> female characters with negligible impactWhich the fujo favorites from the 90s/2000s had in spades
> Saint Seiya> Yu Yu Hakusho> Slam Dunk > Yugioh> Hunter x Hunter > Naruto> Death Note > Bleach> Prince of Tennis > Katekyo Hitman Reborn > D.Grayman Those are just a few Jump titles off the top of my head. WSJ noticeably started to crack down on “bishonen jump” syndrome, probably because they noticed their readership was too female. Now I would argue JJK and BNHA are the only mega popular Jump series that fit those criteria. Demon Slayer and Chainsaw Man are popular, but they have a sizable het presence.
But, to be fair generally speaking in fandom - among both and non-fujos - I’ve noticed a trend in fandom away from anime/manga/games towards gacha and VTubers//streamers/RPF like KPop. Fujos now also have more original content to choose from in more mediums (manhwa/manhua and live action).
So I think what we’re witnessing now is the simultaneous shift from anime/manga being the dominant source of fan material towards gacha, as well as a reticence to cater to fujos.
No.11547
>>11546I think an issue I have with your list is that it covers two decades worth of material whereas this is roughly the same amount of shows in just the 2020s
>>11543 Agree on the fact that just WSJ adaptations as a whole have less shipping pull, at least for me, but they are not the entirety of the medium. Even back in the day stuff like Oran High School Host Club and Hetalia were dominate non-shounen shows (shoujo and seinen) which were popular with fujos.
>>11546>I’ve noticed a trend in fandom away from anime/manga/games towards gacha and VTubers//streamers/RPF like KPopYeah, it's kind of hard to gauge whether it's really "eating" the animanga fans though. Consider how popular One Direction shipping used to be for instance, I wouldn't say that took from the SnK or Free fanworks since the kind of people who liked it would have never been into them in the first place.
I think there is a growing lack of interest in traditional forms of serialized media, my big theory is that more and more people are not watching TV shows as much as their watching videos about TV shows, people aren't playing games their watching other people play games. At the risk of sounding like a crotchy old man I think there is just a general level of disinterest in engaging with stories and it is much easier for people to throw on a streamer in the background while they cook diner or do chores. This is doubled for anime where someone needs to give their full attention to the screen because of the subs. I can only imagine this divide will get larger next generation when you have people who were raised on youtube and have never watched an episode of traditional television in their life.
No.11549
>>11547*they're
Typo aside, I'll add that sport series are consistently BL friendly so if you just watch those every season you'll always have plenty to eat even for the smallest shows.
No.11550
>>11546what you’re describing is just WSJ pandering less and not anime/manga in general then. (but even then JJK and BNHA just ended and I don’t doubt something else will pop up to replace it) Kpop fujos are typically live action fans and not anime/manga fans. RPF and bandom has always been popular among fujos too even as far back as the Beatles so it really doesn’t have any correlation with animanga at all.
No.11552
>>11525>Don't know why you're comparing themI am comparing male fandoms to female fandoms, Dobson is just one example, there are plenty of huge twitter tards in female fandoms who have shit takes on everything yet they don't face backlash
>>11524nta, I am a straight shipper too, and I see people doing this to other people with other straight ships if they are deemed "problematic". It's definitely not a thing that targets only bl.
No.11560
>>11545>>11546I think it's fair but it also fair to say in terms of anime fujos get the short end of the stick and homophobia from editors is a thing. Writers being told to scale back anything that looks homo isn't a crazy idea, I don't know why some anons are in denial when we even see some mangaka talk about it on JP twitter. If fujos move away from anime towards gacha, vtubers, idols and even American cartoons like Hazbin, it's because anime isn't doing enough to keep them.
Joseimuke properties never get big because the studios always do the bare minimum because they get no budget. Twisted Wonderland is probably the biggest one and it wouldn't be as big if it didn't have the power of the Disney IP, and even that never got huge in the West while it would have dominated if the anime came out a decade later. The problem is so many suits in Japan don't want to innovate, either with gacha or joseimuke, so of course they can't keep up. They don't want to. There's yuri that gets better animation and promotion, and straight romcom anime that gets the same but absolutely none of that for BL or even any homobait in any popular property. Fujos can make homo out of everything so if they're not coming, it's just not doing enough. People aren't settling for what worked in 2010 in the 2020s when there's so much media now vying for people's attention. The way people consume media now is annoying, but it's also the fault of old dinosaur suits who don't want to innovate when it comes to fujobait in anime or joseimuke properties.
>people aren't playing games their watching other people play games. At the risk of sounding like a crotchy old man I think there is just a general level of disinterest in engaging with stories and it is much easier for people to throw on a streamer in the background while they cook diner or do chores. This is doubled for anime where someone needs to give their full attention to the screen because of the subsThis is why you see an increase in people needing a dub and why people don't go looking for an anime if it has no official release. It's not like older anime fandom where people would look for anything that caught their interest. I hate the way they consume media, but it doesn't change that it's changed. People go to what gets promotion and advertisement. I can think these zoomers are annoying while also thinking people in charge need to get with the times. If a really good homo anime came out with a budget and promotion you would see it hit like Yuri on Ice did a decade ago.
No.11561
>>11547Fair enough, I just pulled a list of WSJ properties off the top of my head. I emphasize WSJ since WSJ and sports anime have historically been two of the most stalwart pillars of fujo shipping. Get rid of those, and you eliminate at least 50% of fujo ships/works. It is worth noting though that the generally speaking the volume of 2D media coming out of Japan today is objectively higher than the amount of past years, both in terms of anime series and series imported to the West.
> Hetalia Hetalia is a very interesting case to bring up because it was unprecedented for the time. I mentally don’t classify it with seinen (eg Berserk) even though it’s technically seinen, because it didn’t gain popularity like other traditional serialized 2D media at the time. Around the same time, Touhou codified the “loose canon with diverse ensemble cast” model of media fandom among otaku; Hetalia was basically Touhou for fujos. Which brings me to my next point…
> I think there is a growing lack of interest in traditional forms of serialized media, my big theory is that more and more people are not watching TV shows as much as their watching videos about TV showsYou’re onto something big here. For better or worse, fans have shifted towards secondary sources as their primary introduction to media, eg getting into Danganronpa via a Let’s Plays, or getting into HP/Marauders fandom via All The Young Dudes. I suspect the shift from traditional, serialized media with linear, overarching narratives to a more postmodern mode of media consumption, focusing on characters without a grand narrative, has a role to play in this. Traditional serialized media has an inherent barrier to entry in the sense that you need to have consumed the source material. In the past, you’d be labeled a poser in fan circles if you weren’t familiar with the source material. New media, with more emphasis on characters and less on telling an overarching story, have a lesser barrier to entry since you can get into the series (and by extension the fandom) without having to consume a backlog. For example, I’m pretty sure most people don’t get into Genshin Impact for the lore or worldbuilding or the storyline; they play for their husbandos and waifus or to ship the characters.
On top of that, serialized media just doesn’t have the same longevity and sticking power that it used to have. I don’t think we will ever again have a WSJ Big Three to the same extent as Naruto/Bleach/One Piece. Demon Slayer, JJK and BNHA feel relatively short-lived. It’s not just about serialization length though; scarcity and cultural relevance gives media sticking power. Back in the day you tuned into a finite number of television channels, and you had to wait every week for the next installment. It was a collective experience. Streaming services now mean younger people grew used to having an AYCE buffet of shows whenever/wherever.
No.11562
>>11560there’s no evidence to suggest that anime is getting less popular at all, in fact it’s way more popular than it used to be. I don’t really know why you say it like it’s fact when there are tons of recent popular anime with fujos. Fujos get the short end of the stick in every medium and writers scaling back the homo and female pandering literally happens in gachashit like genshin too. Also vtuber and especially idol fanbases don’t really overlap much with anime fujos. they have different interests in the first place. (3D and 2.5D) not saying that *no one* likes both but idol fans typically prefer live action. vtuber shippers have more in common with roblox roleplay RPS fans than anime fans.
>This is why you see an increase in people needing a dub and why people don't go looking for an anime if it has no official release. It's not like older anime fandomThis is a result of anime being *more* popular than the past though. this is casual normie behavior of people who wouldn’t have been into it before. these types of new casual fans existing now doesn’t mean that dedicated fans like in the past suddenly stop existing, it’s just added on to it.
No.11563
>>11560>people don't go looking for an anime if it has no official releaseTo be fair, how many fansubbing groups are left at this point? I was interested in binan koukou haikara but I haven't found it in any language that I can understand.
No.11565
>>11564I can't tell if they are saying that het fans are never 'male centered' or male fans are never 'female centered' but both are untrue so I just have to lol. Male fanboys throw tantrums over male characters existing in proximity to their waifus all the time and so do hetshippers and yumes with other female characters. It's almost as if bad fan behavior isn't exclusive to one group, but that doesn't let you blame everything on fujos.
No.11566
>>11564these are the same people that think mutilating your genitals and injecting hormones into yourself for a fetish is acceptable. I don't care about their opinions. You'd have to be some no life mofo to give a shit about fujos being "male centered" whatever that means in their chronically unemployed minds.
No.11568
>>11566I actually think this behaviour peaks a lot of girls and young women, honestly even if they have to be quiet about it due to the misogynistic culture of being a woman with a public opinion on the internet.
No.11569
>>11564>fujos are homophobic for fetishizing gay men!!11 >fujos are misogynistic for being male centered!!11Geez, people were saying this 20 years ago even when yaoi/slash were niche. This debate keeps being reborn again and again in an endless cycle of autistic samsara.
No.11574
>>11570Apart from like, hating Sakura because she got in the way of Naruto and Sasuke's relationship (which, btw, het shippers (Naruto/Hinata) and early yumes (Mary Sue/Sasuke) did too), I don't see much fujo hate towards female characters. They just don't write about them/don't draw them.
If you've seen the way that female characters get treated on AO3 (and I include the insane FTM whump/torture they write about themselves in this catagory), then you swiftly realize that ignoring a character isn't the worst that can happen to them.
But also. Not real people.
No.11575
>>11543Sk8 got huge with normies but the second season is taking forever. I don't know why Fairy Ranmaru never got any fandom because it was gayer, but maybe it was just too out there. Moriarty and Visual Prison are shows that would have been huge with fandom even in the 10s but they barely made a splash. I don't know why but somehow Sk8 was the most normies friendly one which is why its the one I liked the least.
>>11561To be fair, Genshin's story is nothing to write home about. They're just shallow enough to ship, which is true and which is why less popular gachas that have more interesting characters or story have no fandom. Fandom likes to a big world to play around with and characters just shallow enough to ship. Harry Potter fandom now has nothing to do with the actual books, its using the world and writing basically OCs with official names, Mauraders fans are writing fanfic of fanfic now.
But I do think anime fujopandering less is a factor even though this place wants to deny it. Shounen used to be big for it but the big shounen now doesn't have that. What people want now is a big flashy show and they want nice animation and they need everyone to be watching it too or they don't write fanfic or draw for it because they want commissions. But also fandoms burn out so fast now without a constant stream of new content, it's so different from old fandoms. No anime gets fifty episodes now unless its a shounen and that's over time. Vtubers are big because there's always "content", there's always another stream to wait for, and for gacha there's until the games EOS. The problem is social media killed people's attention spans and they have nowhere to look up older media because they need an algorithm to spoonfeed it to them. But I still think companies like WSJ have gotten less fujo friendly, they've become more of a manle otaku only club, like everything else. I think they can do better with anime for fujos and joseimuke games that pander to fujos too. They don't want to because they don't want to pander to women.
No.11576
>>11575>this place wants to deny itI think the anons in denial are the ones who forget it’s 2026 and that the anime with decently-sized fujo audiences started over 5 years ago (jjk, mha, Tokyo revengers, etc.) And that’s not even considering that their manga are even older and most of them are finished.
Yes, there’s actual bl anime that came out, but barely any fandom for them. I don’t even think the issue is fully a modern fandom issue. I think it’s partially that but also that there’s hardly any story in bl anime/manga. Which I think is confirmed to be an editor/publisher issue with Japanese BL manga companies. There’s a similar issue with Korean BL but I think those stories also just generally suck because it’s usually only written by one person in web novel form trying to keep as many readers for as long as possible to make money so they stretch it out for too long.
No.11577
>>11576Still think it's more shifting demographics than the mediums fault. You can look at waifu culture and see most of the "big" series are actually just gacha as well BA, Uma, Arknights, Hoyo, ect. People just aren't watching anime as much right now.
>>11575>Moriarty and Visual Prison are shows that would have been huge with fandom even in the 10s but they barely made a splashTicks me off that Moriarty didn't get a large fandom considering Sherlock Holmes has built in fujo appeal. It's I.G, looked great and if it hadn't come out the same season as Jujutsu Kaisen I think it would have been much more popular.
No.11579
>>11576coming into JJK vs manga I read fanfic for as a child- I find that modern anime, from any source, just isn't that inspiring.
It felt like you actually had more to work with, character wise, because the anime itself either was not good or didn't adapt everything, so more people were actually reading and making fanworks from the subtext.
Games don't have to be as creative. Make GOTY bait and get 20m in sales. But no fandom. Did anyone outside of people mad at the game awards care about wukong the past entire year?
What made for deep forum discussion and convention panel hype just isn't being made anymore. Or not as much as it used to be. Outside a few companies and titles that are literally just remakes or continuations from that time period- there's so few works, especially anime, that inspire people to create en masse. Hazbin's dogshit but it does inspire with attractive characters (subjective I know), attractive dynamics and abuse and trauma being mainstays.
Modern anime feels like pic related but it's isekai, straight romcom, or history but instead of something bombastic and- I use this literally, problematic it's safe, toes the line of edgy, and flashy without having much going on outside fodder for hype obsessed boys
No.11580
>>11576>started over 5 years agoany popular anime (or more specifically shounen as you say) with hundreds of episodes/chapters is gonna be at least 3 years old. I’m curious what you have in mind as a “recent super popular series that doesn’t interest fujos”. the hikaru and karaiko anime’s came out just last year
No.11581
>>11579Yeah the reason I say it’s partially the medium of anime being at fault is that new stuff that isn’t manga/anime does tend to get pretty decent sized fandoms. Hazbin’s pilot got a huge fandom and it was literally just a pilot for so long but was able to retain fans and new people still ended up watching the full show. You can only blame modern fandom attention span so much before anime/manga starts showing a pattern of fandom retention compared to other mediums. I know there’s some rose-colored glasses but it does seem like older anime and manga took more risks than modern ones.
>>11580I like Karaoke Iko and it does have a sizable fujo base, but it seems like it’s mostly only popular in Japan. Same with Hikaru. I know ao3 isn’t the end-all of Fujo popularity, but it does help to gauge how popular it is in the west. Both Karaoke Iko and Hikaru combined has less fics than Heated Rivalry.
Fuck even The Black Phone has more fanfics than them and it’s only two movies These anime might interest Japanese fujos but clearly it’s not doing much for western ones.
No.11582
>>11581western media has always been more more popular in the west with westerners compared to foreign media though so it’s not really a fair comparison.
>>11575>>11576genshin is also 5 years old at this point too. most extremely popular media take time for its popularity to prove itself longterm and not just an overnight trend
No.11584
>>11577nta but all I know about Moriarty is that the Sherlock Holmes museum in London mentions it and lists Makoto Furukawa as one of the many Sherlock actors there are right next to almost only British and American guys kek. It seems like the kind of stuff I would like if I gave it a try.
No.11585
>>11579>It felt like you actually had more to work with, character wise, because the anime itself either was not good or didn't adapt everything, so more people were actually reading and making fanworks from the subtext.Probably down to lack of filler episodes. While there has been a lot of truly unnecessary anime original filler and anime original endings and it's good that we get more manga faithfulness, pacing is kind of fucked with a lot of modern shows. KnY is one example that really would have benefitted from more breather or 'monster of the week' episodes and letting non-main slayers do stuff that isn't be redshirts. Some of the spinoff manga/existing anime original content has already filled this niche, but fans are still exploring the potential of the universe more than canon did and OC shit is pretty popular.
No.11588
>>11569because they can't say they hate it and don't want you to like it, they have to come up with guilt trip reasons like you are misogynist or homophobic etc etc
Might as well say yeah i am bye lmao
No.11591
>fujos hate female characters because so and so
Honestly, I do remember it happenning a few times in some older yaoi works, but I can barely point It out in modern stories (and even in most older stories these plot points almost never drag for too long)… which begs a question.
Does most of these talking points come from people which only contact with yaoi were mid fanfiction made by teenagers? Because I do remember the "female homewrecker character made to be hated" was indeed way more common in fanfictions than actual BL stories.
No.11592
>>11569Fujos are male centered for being interested in yaoi (which has male characters) and at the same time fujos want to secretly project themselves into the ukes because the ukes are clearly meant to be women since they are less masculine than semes.
No.11593
>>11591I recently saw this level of anti-straight from kids and… nope that's about it.
Mel gets serious misogynoir from Arcane fans but most of all from 15 year old teenagers with little social skills and even less of a life outside twitter. Almost every time I see anti-het posts, they're 12-22, latin american, and generally make yaoi their personality because there is absolutely, nothing else.
No.11594
>>11547I think it's less about a growing lack of interest in the format, and more about people getting more asocial/lonelier and streamers making parasocial interactions their business model. Fandoms are also bigger now because people who would have never found where the door is at before, are now being spoonfed fandoms and contents by the holy algorhytme. These people are not looking to invest much of anything in their hobby and chances are they're also in because it's where everybody is at (parasocial). They're in for the instant gratification and they are the (often silent) majority.
No.11596
>>11592"Male" centered is anything with male characters, included yume shit and shounen shit, female heavy also doesn't automatically make anything inherently feminist, reminder hentai is a thing.
>>11591 I always see fujos mentioning this, but I also was around the early 2000s, and I do know those older yaoi works, however I barely see the difference between them and all the shoujo with the main girl being a pure inexperienced virgin and the villainess being some shallow evil comedic relief character.
It's actually worse, but yumes project their hatred for women into fujos so.
No.11613
>>11596>>11601I was being sarcastic in that comment since most antifujos adopt conflicting criticisms of fujoshi.
No.11633
>>11592I don't understand how yumes can say this. They're the ones projecting and imagining they're being loved by a fictional man, but they hate fujos because fujos aren't self inserting onto a woman being loved by a man? How is that "male centered"?
>>11594You have a point about the parasocial nature but also how fandoms changed because people now can't find anything without an algorithm. Forums are gone, tags like tumblr had are gone, there's nowhere to talk to people. You could find a forum to talk about an unpopular anime but now with algorithms running everything, no one wants to be into anything not popular because they won't be seen. And slop is always going to be more popular so it means works that can technically be more fujo friendly just won't get attention and they won't get a fandom anymore because they have no community to discuss it. Every place on the internet is hostile towards fujos.
No.11663
>>11350>who look like women and are women in everything but namebut what is a woman? can this person define what a woman is?in fact how can we be misogynist if they can't even define what a woman is???
No.11667
>>11664Seeing this on the front page made think someone was sincerely shipping Will and Geoffrey. I was gonna come on here and say Will x Carlton would make more sense even if I, myself, believe it's blasphemous to ship them at all lol. Do you think people were shipping them when they aired? I can imagine some weirdo fujo (affectionate, though I would judge her for it) doing it now, but not so much in the '90s.
No.11669
>>11667that's hilarious anon. I mean that with full joy not malice
A lot of black shows typically were only watched by black people. So if anyone was shipping them, they'd likely never have come out about it because black tradition is extremely homophobic. The entire UPN network was geared towards dynamic relationships across the cast and I still remember the hatesex episode from Martin where Martin gets with Pam in a nightmare zone. It's not an impossible idea- but anyone at the time would have been extremely secretive about it because, well, you'd get your ass beat depending on where you lived
No.11670
>>11667lmao
>>11669>hatesex episodeI remember My Brother & Me and Living Single having two "couples" where it was the dude after a girl who couldn't stand him and that tickled my baby shipper brain. I think the ones in Living Single at least hooked up or got together outright, it's been so long since I've seen it. As an adult I recognize the dynamic as ~problematic~ IRL (dogged pursuit of a woman until she cracks and says "fine") but I still think it's a funny trope.
No.11671
>>11670Her name was Maxine and I cannot remember the guy's name. But they both hated each other until they started lustine.
Great show, horrendous last season.
You're also thinking of Latifa's cousin who's constantly pursued by that plumber as she tries and fails to meet a guy all the women like. Which in itself is a sweet dynamic but would not fly because (black) women can't be submissive or anything but pansexual girl bosses.
That being said, the writers of those series would make insane BL if they ever went into the market. Because none of it would fit into standard yaoi tropes while still being so interesting. Class difference, race difference, size difference. Giving Latifa's character romantic interests as a big woman was unheard of since 'fat chicks' were always jokes. Especially during the 90's-00's. I'm not really a tubby kink liker but it's still incredibly untapped without it being for the kink.
I don't touch western made BL because it feels like it has to preform, instead of being natural or actually interesting. If I wanted just tropes, I'd watch hetslop harem. Friends took the concept of Living Single and became one of the biggest tv shows ever, so I think it could work if dynamics and stories from UPN series were just made gay
No.11675
>>11669I thought that'd be the case, but I wasn't totally sure. The only all-black (or mostly black) cast shows I watched consistently and avidly were the Fresh Prince, the Cosby Show (this one was more sporadic since it came on an oldies channel) and Smart Guy on cable. I couldn't get into Everybody Hates Chris which was pretty popular and actually might have more shippable moments for (hopefully) young fujos than any of the other three lol (likewise, I couldn't get into Malcolm in the Middle).
>>11670That trope still happens a lot tbh, but it also depends on the characters for it to work well instead of coming across as creepy where het or in the same sex versions of it.
>>11671I agree with the western BL needing to perform angle. It feels less like creating an interesting story or, more importantly, interesting characters and more like a checklist of what they think is "progressive" or "inclusive". I think writers for older black shows knew they didn't have to conform to what was being shown to wider (mostly white) audiences, so they could play around with different dynamics and different storylines that weren't so cookie-cutter, but that could be a misreading since I didn't watch many black shows growing up.
No.11676
>>11675I think your last statements are pretty accurate as someone who watched shows across the spectrum growing up. Black sitcoms weren't beholden to the same audience or advertisers, so that demographic change lead in to different character dynamics.
But
>>11669 bringing up the systematic homophobia reminds me how I saw more shipping from shows like Boy Meets World than My Wife and Kids, which probably was a product of that.
No.11715
>>11714kek nona, this made me giggle. average post on twitter
No.11724
>>11714Could have included the word "objectification" somewhere in there.
No.11739
>>11736I love when stuff like this gets posted (ie, Fictional Media is bad because sex violence), but the creator is also blatantly pro-porn. What, it's only bad if it's not happening to real people?
No.11740
>>11736I can't stand her condescending tone and had to stop watching before she explained who it is I am hurting by consuming fictional violence for my private gratification.
No.11743
>>11714>caramelizationMmm I love caramels…
No.11758
>>11350>half of this thread is more fujo rant than anti-fujo cringeWhat happened?
No.11892
>>11675No one wants to say it but its because a lot of black culture is still very homophobic and hostile towards the idea of "fujos" and even black fujos get bullied because a lot of straight black women are homophobic too and obsessed with not making black men "DL". That's why fujo culture never got to thrive. Other races get to be into their men kissing but you can't have that with basketball or black tv shows because people in the community are hostile towards it and reject it. That's unfortunately why the few times you see black characters get shipped it's with a white dude, and even then some of the black men actors don't like it. Or the fandom is so obsessed with policing people's fanart and fanfic that nothing really gets to thrive and black fujos also get harassed for writing a kink. Happened with Finn/Poe in Star Wars, happened with Spider verse yaoi shipping, happened with Black Panther shipping too.
No.11893
>>11892This is pretty much true for South Asian cultures too, including the diaspora and the uptick of new immigrants in North American countries (and European, but I don't know much about that context). I mean, there's not exactly that many South-Asian focused shows/media (since, at least in the U.S., they're a pretty small minority, though there's a lot more in Canada) and that's probably why we don't see as much of a backlash of shipping Indian men x Indian men and even if they are, it's usually Indian men x white men (and in het ships it's Indian women x white men). Though, I think there's probably lots of South Asian fujos since a lot are uniquely repressed lol.
No.11899
>>11893When you look at most anti fujo twitters who tweet in English, if its not a dumb American a lot of them are South Asian. Some of them are diaspora in the West and some aren't, but a lot of them channel their radfem "men suck" into fictional men and hating fujoshi because they fujos are doing this for real men. I don't know if it's because they don't have a fujo culture in their own countries or if it's because they got exposed to stupid Western discourse in fandom and fandom is where they learned their "feminism" from, but a lot of it comes from them. They just don't understand or refuse to understand that men in JP/CN/SK hate BL and fujos because they don't see those women as real women, they want women to be their stay at home wives. This is how you have these same people thinking that gacha slop like Hoyoverse games or otakubait cute girls anime is actually made for women and not for incels in those countries.
No.11901
>>11893South Asian fujo here (US diaspora), I don't really care what people think but I am just not attracted to South Asian men, not even the handsome Bollywood actors let alone anyone else. I find this funny though because I'm bisexual and I prefer South Asian women over other women lol.
No.11902
>>11901If your vibrator isn't being racist it needs recharging. Just the way things are.
No.11904
>>11892Most if not all instances of black slash shipping I have ever encountered were the work of Chinese fujos, and guess what? They eventually get targeted by black people every damn time.
No.11919
>>11899NTA but I often wonder if it's because South Asian/MENA cultures are so next level misogynistic that the concept of sisterhood and complete sex-based segregation are much more pronounced, so they're much more drawn to the political lesbian k-pop/gacha pixel feminist movement than fujoism. Thinking about what
>>11892 said I'm pretty sure the extreme homophobia in their culture plays a part as well and the thought of gay men genuinely disgusts them, compared to how in East Asian cultures homosexuality between men wasn't historically really that big of a taboo. In homophobic societies two women being together is much more easily interpreted as simply good soulbonding sisters taking care of each other in a misogynistic world but with two men the suspension of disbelief is much harder to achieve, that's why even in American shows gay representation is usually two feminine (or at least non-masculine), conventionally attractive women.
No.11936
>>11904I'd see authors ripped for "whitewashing" and the characters would still be obviously black but it really was one piece they cherrypicked. Or they cried about age gaps or "incest" because people liked shipping au Prowler Miles with regular Miles, or T'challa with Killmonger (never mind that T'challa is royalty and they never even met until they were adults, that had to get people crying about how the bad East Asians are fetishizing incest.
>>11919I'm always amazed these people latched onto kpop and gacha games as a feminist movement against fujos. I know they're removed from what the actual men in these countries think about fujos, but how do you see industries dedicated to selling the idea of women to lonely incels, even worse with kpop considered it involves real women, and claim that blindly stanning them is feminism?
No.11964
>>11901Ot but where are even the handsome bollywood actors? They're mostly just uggo old men now because the ugly old man psychop has a hold on bollywood and has for generations. But, this reminds me of a subpar 2000s manga I read semi-recently and whose name escapes me where the author frickin' drew Amitabh Bachchan in the last chapter (or between chapters?) and talked about him being a reference for her old man pairings. I couldn't believe my eyes that a damn mangaka was using him of all people as fujo-fuel kek. I wish I took a screenshot and I could share it with you all because it was so random.
No.12034
>>12032I've never read JJK but kek at her losing her shit when something slightly gay happens in whatever manga she's reading. She hates women for liking gay fiction and she then calls them misogynistic, girl please take a look in the mirror.
Still funny that she's still sperging at fujos, I feel like at this point she might be the biggest anti fujo sperg on KF
No.12036
>>12034She hates that her wet fantasies are ruined by fujos making the guys she likes gay.
>misogyny is when you ruin my wet fantasy No.12037
>>12032>>12036I can bet you that this person is crossposting on Lolcow and makes every single discussion about either fujos because she's malding so goddamn hard over them forcehomoing her husbandos or "faggots" because she's just garden variety homophobic. Reading her posts she comes off as dangerously autistic and trying really hard to fit in in the boys club by being overtly edgy. I hope she gets IRL female friends soon.
No.12038
>>12036>>12037She picked the wrong shonen manga to obsess with if that's the case.
No.12040
>>12032What's with yumejos obsession of wanting to call fujos cucks? Waifufags call yurifags cucks because they always think about wanting to fuck the girls themselves or being a "haremchad" but this logic doesn't apply to fujos because fujos don't (for the most part) self-insert into BL.
What am I exactly being cucked on if I'm not attracted to the guys in question?
No.12041
>>12034There's also a lack of self-awareness with how she supposedly cares so much about misogyny while posting on a forum where men are openly misogynistic and which is owned by a man who made a blog post about how women being in the workforce is a psyop because they are happiest as mothers.
No.12042
>>12040Sexual dissatisfaction. She's unhappy but instead of trying to resolve whatever the cause of her own problems are she's trying to punch down on fujoshi.
>>12036This is it. She can't cum so we shouldn't be able to enjoy things either. It's always this.
No.12043
>>12032Is she genuinely autistic? She spends so much time seething over other women having fun and minding their own business creating art and stories.
>>12036Why can't they close their eyes and block tags? I have a few NOTPs that upset me. So I hide ship art and blacklist tags. It's always about crying over other people.
No.12045
>>12043If she's not autistic then she's unemployed and she's actively looking at things she doesn't like to kill time.
No.12047
>>12046KEK literal "what were YOU doing at the devil's sacrament" moment, turns out she was a tsundere for fujoshis. This is like the fangirl version of those politicians preaching homophobia only to have their grindr account leaked.
No.12048
>>12046Not enough het porn? In what world?
No.12049
>>12048To be dipshit's advocate for a second, BL can get extremely lewd but still for the ~female gaze~ whereas the really lewd het stuff is like 99% goblin rape zone/NTR/mob–it doesn't often also titillate the heart like BL can.
No.12050
>>12048I suppose that het smut manga is mostly gross hentai stuff, and the more romantic sex tends to be written by women. Josei isn't very explicit in comparison to either het hentai or BL, so she reads BL?
Or this is like… the world's greatest troll.
No.12051
>>12049She's free to go through the reams of BL hetbend over on Pixiv. Plus yume stuff is getting more and more popular and I'm sure there's lots of female mob selfinsert.
There's also tons of western anime het porn that isn't made by men, mostly for mediocre FOTM het ships like Zelda and Link or Genshin.
No.12052
>>12041These NLOGs posting on kiwifarms always try to explain it away with "w-well I'm just there to read about cows places like lolcow don't have threads on!" but for example in the case of this person she's openly engaging with the community outside of the cows themselves. The ultra feminist of the year over here is actively hating on these stupid fucking women for liking harmless gay romances while fraternizing with a community notorious for their extreme misogyny and inceldom.
>>12050>>12049There's a TON of female-written and drawn josei porn but 90% of the time it's very male gaze adjacent where the focus is constantly on the self insert girl's porn star body while the man is kinda just there barely present in the moment. Even the people who claim to be woke enough not do that kind of shit still end up focusing more on the girl being objectified and portrayed in a voyeuristic way instead of making it truly titillating. It's honestly one of the reasons why BL is so popular with women, by removing the woman out of the scenario you don't have to deal with the baggage that comes with portraying women in erotica and I wish people stopped pretending like it was a bad thing to allow women explore their sexual tastes in a scenario detached from them personally.
No.12053
>>12052>90% of the time it's very male gaze adjacent where the focus is constantly on the self insert girl's porn star body while the man is kinda just there barely present in the moment. Even the people who claim to be woke enough not do that kind of shit still end up focusing more on the girl being objectified and portrayed in a voyeuristic way instead of making it truly titillating. It's honestly one of the reasons why BL is so popular with women, by removing the woman out of the scenario you don't have to deal with the baggage that comes with portraying women in eroticaYeah, this has always stumped me. Are women being the focus of sexualization as default just so ingrained that even when straight women are making porn they barely lewd the guy? I'll never understand this. This is why I can only read het porn if it's 100% focusing on the guy and femdom. Pegging doujin is very rare, but it's out there.
It definitely feels like there's a lot of women = sexy by default baggage when so much genderbend art by BL authors also involves turning the uke into a big titty waifu in a skimpy outfit. Or their regular smutfic is relatively average but their genderbend smut is nothing but OOC hentai dialog.
No.12054
>>12053It's literally that Margaret Atwood "You are a woman with a man inside watching a woman" quote about how women are conditioned to view themselves through a male lens, everything they do is a male fantasy. Even during sex a lot of women are more occupied worrying about how desirable they look to their male partner than enjoying the moment. So when writing and drawing that josei porn, the main fantasy is that the reader will find you beautiful and sexy, even envy your body to the point they fantasize about literally being you so that now men find YOU desirable.
Even when creating femdom material, that's still a male fantasy because a woman is involved, there will always be a man who will turn it into their dick stomping fetish. Removing the female character from the scenario altogether is the ultimate move - not even gay men want to read BL, and actual fudanshis are extremely rare. It's erotica written by women, but using these male characters that utilize the "concept" of men without the oppression of women. With the recent popularity of Heated Rivalry that discussion is rising up again, and NEVER let people claim that it's simply "straight women gooning to hot men and imagining themselves between them" because it's a moid's confession of how they view lesbian relationships and subsequently all women, there's so much more to the conversation that directly relates to the female sexuality.
No.12057
>>12053>making porn they barely lewd the guy?Look at Wuthering Heights, the eroticism of it is just self inserting into Margot Robbie and imagining Jacob Elordi doing things to her, rather than just lewding Jacob Elordi himself.
No.12153
>>12041She also has called Funamusea's old loli molestation games "based," so I suspect she's not as concerned about misogyny as she would like people to believe.
>>12046This is the funniest fucking outcome.
No.12170
>>12169they look 15 anon
don't give children the time of day, let the parents parent
No.12171
>>12170>let the parents parentnta but parents don't do their job these days and this is the result.
No.12173
>>12169yes because the best way to get someone to watch or make something is to guilt them into doing it kek
No.12174
>>12169Guilty as charged.
No.12175
>>12170the people i saw agreeing with this were all adults
No.12176
>>12169>real life sports playersYou're a slasher, not a fujoshi and I'll die on this hill, even if it's unpopular.
No.12178
>>12169I have actually seen people into NBA RPF before but I doubt she’s even into it herself. Usually people just make these kind of posts for the woke points and not real interest
No.12179
>>12178I'm not a sports RPF fan, but I feel like the NBA is extra heterosexual and so is the NFL. NHL has a certain allure since it's virulently homophobic and super machismo
I'? Canadian and had to deal with the particular set of white boys that did hockey growing up-they were not good guys most of the time so I don't really care for it, so I think that does fuel some slashers fantasies. I guess the NFL is too, but somehow I don't see the same sort of appeal.
No.12180
>>12169Does anyone outside of America care about the NBA? By how performative this is you know this person has never had a single sexual thought about a black person in their entire life.
No.12182
>>12169>fujoshi's r>'sGuys if you want someone to ship something make one of those meme powerpoint presentations to demonstrate the ship material, you can't just tell people "ship it" and expect them to pick up an entire hobby to do so
No.12183
>>12180Kim Jong Un and Kim Jong Il
No.12200
>>12169no one wants to talk about it but it's because there's way more homophobia in the black community. black men see it as emasculation and hate seeing women draw their goats taking it up the ass and straight black women get mad and think you're cucking them because they have issues worrying about guys being "DL" in real life. which is why whenever fujos do jump onto ships with a black guy they always get harassed by black normies. even being black won't save you because they'll call you a coon for portraying the dude in a way they don't like. it happened with star wars wars, black panther, spider verse and now its happening with gachiakuta fandom too.
No.12201
>>12200OT but Finn x Poe is, to date, probably the only mostly fluff m/m pairing I have ever shipped. It makes me mad thinking about how completely derailed it got in the last movie.
No.12205
>>12179I can't get into sports rpf because I know that men into those things irl are evil. I can like anime charas because they are fake and I can ignore how often men are boring, ugly, or disappointing irl. No offense to men, many are good people. But on god I don't want to see their irl faces in my yaoi.
No.12206
>>12205>many are good peopledoubt
No.12233
>>12169I don't know how people who grew up with cringe culture manage to do this shit and not cringe at all. Imagine posting your fucking face to the retarded non-grass toucher autistimo online discourse.
Aren't they all about not being cringe?
No.12252
>>12169Bitch, be for fucking real. There are anons in this very thread proclaiming that black men are inherently more homophobic than white men. Like how does someone say shit like this
>>12200 and not think it's racist? "Yeah, I don't ship men of color because I'll get harrased by the scawy bwack man." Like, I'm sorry, but white men scream and cry about slashshipping emasculating male characters all the fucking time but somehow that doesn't fujos from shipping them.
No.12253
>>12252When white people complain about fujo shipping, it's easy to ignore them as just being homophobic or whiny women-haters. When black people complain about fujo shippers, they make it a race thing, and then fujos actually get scared away because they don't want to be racist. I remember seeing so many anti-fujo posts from black people(mostly women) on tumblr that accuse women of being racist if they ship a black guy with a white guy, for example. Also sorry but black leftists online really do start crazy harassment campaigns against others for pointless stuff so I don't blame anyone for not wanting to create fancontent of black characters when there's a risk that your entire online reputation gets tanked because you drew their hair wrong or you coloured them 5% lighter or something lol.
No.12254
>>12253Yeah, I remember the crazy harassment campaigns on Tumblr going after fanartists over skintone. Some of them were definitely lightening black characters, but the majority of them were just victims of tumblr mobs.
No.12256
>>12252Countries outside Europe where Christianity was imported tend to both be insanely homophobic and ironically also see LGBT as a western/white people thing, and in the case of African countries, those values get passed down from people's families. Black USian families also tend to be very religious and conservative.
No.12258
>>12252You gotta be white and suburban.
Please say that you are because this is the most sheltered take I've seen.
Black communities and history are notoriously homophobic. Between the struggle of still being marginalized and how deeply rooted christianity is in the south, you know where a major portion of black people come from, homophobia is outright expected instead of fought against.
Anon isn't talking about posting online, it's a very current, and still modern problem. You've heard of the American thanksgiving jokes with conservatives, imagine that all your life and potential domestic abuse if someone in your family found out you wanted to see two nba players kiss.
No.12259
>>12253That's just white guilt speaking, lol.
>>12258>>12256I'm not saying that homophobia is nonexistent among the Black community, it very clearly does exist, but it's ridiculous to say Black people are more violent and abusive when it comes to homophobia. It hasn't even been 20 years since the death of Matthew Shepard who was brutually tortured and murdered by white men. Two years ago, John Walter Lay was shot and murdered by a white man. Use your brains, nonnas. Homophobia is an ugly violent expression of hate that infects every culture, it doesn't magically make one community more violent than another.
>>12258And fuck you specifically for saying I have to be white in order to care about racism. Like, we're not fucking stupid. POC do notice the very obvious patterns of fandom flocking towards white/east asian ships and we should be allowed to point it out and say that it's fucked up without people shutting us down.
No.12260
>>12259>POC do notice the very obvious patterns of fandom flocking towards white/east asian ships and we should be allowed to point it out and say that it's fucked up without people shutting us down.Why is it fucked up, though? People can't help who they are attracted to, and most people don't ship characters they find physically repulsive in some way.
No.12261
>>12259You post like a white tumblr warrior defending black people who did not ask. You're saying 'we' so let's assume you are also black for a moment.
You are not exempt from making shitty and sheltered, terminally online takes.
No.12262
>>12261Yes, I'm a fedora wearing SJW defending the poor minorities. I couldn't possibly be a brown person calling out racism.
>>12260I don't even know where to begin with this. Do you want me to say it's okay to find white people attractive??? Do you want me to say it's okay to think of POC as disgusting hideous creatures???
No.12263
>>12262>Do you want me to say it's okay to find white people attractive??? Do you want me to say it's okay to think of POC as disgusting hideous creatures???No I want you to say why it's fucked up that fandom gravitates towards Whites/Asians.
No.12265
>>12259I'm not any of the ayrt, but I do think there's something to be said about the fact that you don't see many black fujos compared to white, latin, SEAsian, arab etc. fujos. The ones I've met are often shamed because they tend to hang out mostly in white dominated fandom spaces. In particular black yumes/hetshippers seem to really have a bone to pick with fujos since in some popular slash ships, one of the guys is canonically in a relationship with a black woman (Kirk/spock, those arcane guys I can't remember the names of). Since the original conversation is about NBA yaoi, if there was a really big community of black fujos I'd expect it to originate from them. Like, when you think about it it's weird that a picture of two black men kissing became a meme, right? I don't think the lack of respect for black gay people comes exclusively from outside the black community.
About what you said about white men also being very homophobic, I don't disagree but with the way "queer" culture has spread, if you're a white person in the usa/europe that didn't grow up in a particularly homophobic family/community, you're probably hardly going to encounter strong homophobic sentiments in the wild. Considering the right-wing slant a lot of countries are on we'll see if that lasts though.
>POC do notice the very obvious patterns of fandom flocking towards white/east asian ships and we should be allowed to point it out and say that it's fucked up without people shutting us down.Another thing that's worth mentioning here imo is the fact that a lot of the time people who do portray black characters in yaoi ships tend to catch flack for allegedly dehumanizing and objectifying the characters in question. Considering this conversation stemmed from a post about RPF of all things, it's something that's worth considering. I think some of those complaints make sense, other times it really just feels like wokescolding for the sake of it. Personally I think that anyone who genuinely loves the characters and ship in question wouldn't fall back on racist stereotypes to make it work, but that's just how I feel.
No.12266
>>11671>Friends took the concept of Living Single and became one of the biggest tv shows ever, so I think it could work if dynamics and stories from UPN series were just made gayThis still chaps my ass because Friends sucked and somehow managed to take the things I liked from Living Single (the will they/won't they, the banter) and made them insufferable (Ross/Rachel). I can't believe there is somebody else who watched this on fujochan!
>>12253>When black people complain about fujo shippers, they make it a race thing, and then fujos actually get scared away because they don't want to be racist. I remember this is how 2016 Poe/Finn discourse went down, which was a shame because Finn was so moe. I guess it was for the best though, given how the rest of those movies went.
>>12265>canonically in a relationship with a black woman (Kirk/spockWorth mentioning that it was crickets when they put Spock with Chapel in SNW when Uhura was also there. I don't think anybody was actually invested in AOS Spock/Uhura, they just wanted to attack fujos.
No.12267
>>12265The thing is fandom doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is a microreprensation of society at large. Because society is racist(among other societal ills), fandom is also racist-and concerning this thread, anti-black-but nobody is allowed to talk about this subject without people saying "fandom is my safe space, fandom isn't activism", blah blah blah. We can't have a conversation about racism in fandom if people aren't willing to sit down and acknowledge the biases they might hold, the same biases their friends and fellow fans might also have. Is it wokescolding to point out that the NBA and NHL are both leagues overrun with rampant homophobia and misogyny yet somehow the NHL has a much bigger fandom despite hockey being a less popular sport than basketball? Why is it that soccer, the world's most popular sport, barely manages to beat out hockey in terms of fandom popularity? How come the majority of ships in baseball mainly feature white men? Ship white men all you want, no one is going to kill you for it, but perhaps question you only ship white men.
No.12268
>>12267I feel like that is an easy answer? NHL guys beat the shit out of each other every game and there are more than a few compilations of them kissing. Because hockey is also less popular, sport fujos don't have to compete with guys in their 'fandom' as much. Can you imagine being a Ronaldo shipper on twitter?
No.12269
>>12267>but perhaps question you only ship white men.Because I'm primarily attracted to White men. A lot of people in fandom probably are too, they're just not willing to admit it in non-anon spaces. And there's nothing wrong with that, at all, but since you'll get attacked for stating what is obvious, no one admits to it, so you get people saying things like "fandom is my safe space etc etc" instead of cutting to the meat of the issue. """"Issue""" anyway.
I feel like everyone knows this deep down. People who like White men and people who are angry at people for liking White men (who also probably like White men (tsundere)).
>NHL has a much bigger fandom despite hockey being a less popular sport than basketballIs it? In America I guess. But worldwide I'd be surprised if this was the case.
No.12270
As a spic I have no stakes in this battle but I must say that I do notice that black fujos seem to be extremely vocal about needing to make the fact that they are shipping POC or a racemixing pair a showcase of activism. They also tend to unapologetically blackwash a lot and you ALSO need to accept their blackwashed version of a character too or "you're racist". A character can be tanned or brown of non-specific 'nationality', and they'll default to them as black and none other than black and if you don't follow that go fuck yourself, etc.
It's best to just avoid characters or ships like that altogether personally.
Even as a spic/latino (NOT americanized latino, actually living in the shithhole) I've seen americans try to tell actual latinos what they should portray, how a character should talk or behave, and what to avoid from the bad parts of the """culture""" even though none of (us) care. Meanwhile they're the ones that think every brown character should be speaking random words in spanish every 5 seconds or make a reference to their (country) even though not a single actual spic does that. It feels like americans always want to call others racist by not realizing how racist they themselves look.
No.12271
>>12270>I've seen americans try to tell actual latinos what they should portray, how a character should talk or behave, and what to avoid from the bad parts of the """culture""" even though none of (us) care.Nooooo you can't give the Latino man tattoos and muscles when he goes to prison omg that's such a racist stereotype, you're so racist don't you know they don't have prisons and tattoos and muscles in Latin American?!?!
No.12272
>>12267I'm not in any RPF spaces nor do I engage with RPF in the first place, but I do think those discussions are best suited for those environments since they're about real people if you want to have them. Personally speaking I'm an anime/game fujo autist 99% of the time and I think people who try to have deep conversations on shit like orientalism in gambling simulator hoyoshit titles are braindead. Pick your battles and stuff.
>We can't have a conversation about racism in fandom if people aren't willing to sit down and acknowledge the biases they might hold, the same biases their friends and fellow fans might also have.The thing is, if people really want to have said conversation, then in theory it should be a conversation involving fandom as a whole, in practice people only ever attack fujos. Hetshippers also have a strong preference for white characters but you don't see people bothering them for it. When people criticize yuri with the big strong scary darkskinned person x tiny dainty white blonde trope, they don't immediately jump to shit on all yuri fans as a whole. How come people don't make viral thoughtpieces about yumes mainly being into asian/white dudes? It's only ever fujos that get generalized this much. You can't really blame fujos for noticing that they're the only ones being nagged most of the time while everyone else just flies under the radar.
No.12273
>>12269>Is it? In America I guess. But worldwide I'd be surprised if this was the case.Are you stupid? I'm comparing two american sports league with each other, I'm clearly talking about fandom popularity from an american context.
>>12268She doesn't know about"fuck him on the floor friday"
>>12270Girl, I'm a spic as well. Don't pretend that latin america isn't racist and zenophobic as fuck.
>>12272I am a fujo calling other fujos in a fujo space. What more do you want? And don't give me that shit about people refusing to call out hetshippers and the like. You don't fucking notice it because you're not in those spaces. Invincible is constantly engaging in discourse concerning the disposable black girlfriend trope that the show employs and how the fanbase goes along with it. What do you propose we do when racist woman are being racist? We kindly tell them that they're being racist and and back down if they get mad?
No.12274
>>12273Let me guess, you're a latina from the US. Spare us the lecture, pendeja. Si eres de argentina aún peor.
No.12275
>>12274Otra pobre pendeja chupandole la verga a los gringos.
No.12276
>>12273>And don't give me that shit about people refusing to call out hetshippers and the like.Racist behaviors may get called out but they're not applied to hetshippers as a whole. I even brought up something I similar I saw happen in yuri spaces. They might bitch about a specific fandom but you'll never see them complain about hetshippers/himes as a collective because they realize it's retarded. Whenever people talk about instances of racism in a fandom for a m/m ship they specifically go on tangents about fujos as a whole, I was occasionally exposed to arcane discourse against my will and saw so many posts talking about the evil racist fujos when they were talking about fans of a single fucking ship from a league of legends cartoon. They can't just say (fandom)/(ship) fans are racist, they have to say fujos as a whole are racist. Even the original post that kickstarted this whole derail is like that. "fujos are too racist to ship nba men" as if all fujos are into rpf, sports rpf to be exact? If you want to complain about certain people/fandoms, you're free to do so, I just think that cosigning some random tiktok zoomer's obvious inflammatory bait post is stupid as fuck (high chance they don't give a single fuck about nba yaoi either they just saw an opportunity to post a le fujos are evil bigots video and took it)
No.12277
>>12275>piensa que soy fujo pobreJajajaja llora más
No.12278
>>12169This entire argument is spawned from some teenybopper whining about her ships not being popular. She's no better than those yuri troons complaining about yaoi fanart being more popular.
I advise that everyone take a step back and touch grass.
No.12279
>>12276Shippers being racist and shippers unnecesarily getting bashed for gay shipping are statements that can and should coexist.
No.12280
>>12265>the fact that you don't see many black fujos compared to white, latin, SEAsian, arab etc. fujos.nta but I refuse to believe it just based on the ones I met irl for well over a decade. However none of us are American so nobody gives a fuck about the NBA. On the other hand during the latest football world cup a lot of women joked that they shipped Mbappé and Giroud because of one ridiculous looking picture of them.
No.12281
whenever the whole “why don’t people ship black/brown characters more” thing gets brought up I have to wonder what ships they even have in mind as being “ignored” or “missed opportunity”. east asians are only just now common in western ships because of an increased popularity of east asian media in the west. what are the supposed swathes of black/brown ships being “ignored” and are the people complaining even into them?
No.12282
>>12279Can you even prove a shipper is being racist just because she thinks certain characters look good togther? Be real, that tends to be the only crime most do. Rarely will you see someone in the fandom screeching "I HATE NXXXXERS" or something to that tune.
No.12283
>>12269>majority of people in fandom just have a sexual preference for white men but won’t admit it because they’ll get attackedI used to consider race preferences as racist because of this sentiment I’d hear in fandom but in real life everyone has them regardless of their own race. A majority of people prefer their own race or a specific one over the other when dating and it’s really not a big deal. there’s no point in trying to shame or browbeat someone into dating or feigning attraction to a group to prove they don’t hate them and it’s ridiculous that it’s so accepted to do so in certain spaces. would anyone claim that someone’s ableist just because they’re not sexually interested in people with dwarfism or down syndrome? attraction or lack of attraction doesn’t dictate whether you hate someone or support them.
No.12284
>>12267if you think it's "racism" to not ship people of races you're not attracted to and that fandom is activism then i envy your life. i'm not into rpf in general but don't most fujos ship two guys they think are hot? if you don't think nba guys are attractive how is that racism… i'm a "POC" too and i've been called racist for not being attracted to people of my own race. i only like east asian men because i'm a weeb honestly if that makes me racist then so be it. racism doesn't even mean anything anymore.
>>12270it's really another case where self-inserting is the issue. like trannies who need to make all characters they like trans too.
No.12285
>>12281That's what gets me about these discussions too. You'd think impassioned fujos would react to people ignoring their otp by posting about it to spread the word, but this is modern fandom and condescendingly implying you're a bad person for not doing shipping the way someone else expects you to is the norm. You (general you) can talk about implicit biases and internalized bigotry until the cows come home but if you refuse to actually participate in fandom activities such as drawing, writing, rping or even just talking about your ship you can't expect randos on the internet to read your rants about how everyone in fandom is a bigot and magically pull "woke" ships out of their asses. It's clearly just a control tactic much like yuritroons who shit on female dominated fandoms because they don't hand them their preferred fap fuel on a silver platter.
No.12286
>>12285imo, if you're deep into a rare ship, you don't really notice people not shipping it, because you and the other five people into it just talk about that ship. Rarepair fujos make their own stuff.
No.12287
This discussion just reminded me that I saw that there are now fujos shipping characters from a bollywood film together. It's crazy because I never thought there would such a thing …I hope they didn't get harassed by rabid Indian losers.
>>12266I still ship Finn/Poe but most of their fics are now as the background couple in Reylo fics. Also, I feel not enough fujos here know about the rather large Abed/Troy fanbase from Community, though it probably is a bit more obscure. That's one of my other fluffy ships. I'm sure there are actually other fujos that ship black characters with other male characters-though I notice it's mostly mixed race couples, but not necessarily black/white- but they might not advertise it because of pushback from certain people. If fujos are now shipping fucking bollywood film characters, I am sure there are fujos that ship black characters from different media.
No.12288
>>12267>fandom doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is a microreprensation of society at large. Because society is racistDid you by chance take this frozen ass pizza take from Anita Sarkeesian? This take is old as shit and if you haven't grown up to realize that society is not the lgbtq+ but at the same time islamic friendly (kek) that should consume fiction with state mandated minorities and disabled people and respect pronouns and all that retarded shit then you should quit the internet and possibly realize that kind of thinking is self hating cycle that never ends, It doesn't conveniently start and end with the group you care the most, and it's exactly how we got trannies.
Fuck off
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>>12285>It's clearly just a control tactic much like yuritroonsand yuritroons think consuming yuri makes them anti misogyny, even thou incel men (them) consume yuri on a regular basis and claim anime girls are better than 3d women
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>>12287>I still ship Finn/PoeOff-topic, but I always wished Finn/Hux or Finn/Kylo was more popular since the series didn't give a fuck about his Stormtrooper past even though it's one of the most interesting things about him. I like Finn/Poe in the context of Force Awakens but Poe unfortunately becomes a nothing character after that movie.
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>>12290AYRT but I have dabbled in Finn/Kylo so I agree too kek. It's irritating that they made Poe a nothing character in later films. Truthfully, I have only watched the first two films of the trilogy, so I don't know the exact depths of how nothing Poe is in that one which is probably a blessing.