/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

I've seen some male otaku talking about it on twitter. Their reactions really depended on whether they like mobage or not obviously. I already went to Japan last summer and talked about it in a few threads but I'd like to go back for comiket, and seeing these data makes me worry a little. But then again I plan on going back to Ikebukuro's and Akiba's Mandarake for older doujinshi at some point as well, which I nevee dared buy before because I don't live alone. I keep seeing a lot of Japanese artists posting about way smaller events that focus on a specific pairing or series and that they plan at any time of the year and it seems like it's mostly a pretext to meet up with their artist friends, maybe this also contributes to comiket focusing more on mobage?

>>3208
I feel it's a bit uncharitable with declaring some of the franchises "for men" for example Type-Moon has a sizable female following and plenty of doujinshi. Fujos tend to work with any series regardless of the perceived "male dominance." I've already seen Blue Archive yaoi, give it a few years and I predict some genderswap doujinshi a la Touhou.

Though I haven't noticed the slump of doujinshi period and didn't even consider alternate events. Is Super Comic City a female only event of just leaning female? The alt events must do relatively well since, again I haven't noticed a slump. I also wonder how many circles are pushing stuff more digitally now, I've come across a few circles who just sell their stuff directly through BOOTH or FANBOX.

>>3209
Strangely, I haven’t seen any discussion of this on the female weeb side internationally. Maybe they’re too busy cannibalizing themselves over pro/anti discourse but the Western side of fandom has always been dependent on Japanese artists for content so trends like these are worth paying attention to. Smaller, series/pairing/character specific events are definitely the trend now for Japanese artists. The fragmented approach makes a lot of sense when you consider the consumption patterns of female fandoms. Women are picky about specific pairings and their order and go out of their way to avoid content for their NOTPs. At this rate, Super Comic City and Haru Comic City rather than Comiket would be a better bet.

>>3210
It’s not that female/fujo targeted content never exist for those series - fujos always find a way- the overwhelming majority of content is still male-targeted. I agree that TYPE-MOON franchises like Fate have unisex appeal due to catering to both men and women but Blue Archive or Touhou genderswap yaoi doujins are the exception to the norm. Even among them, a lot is scroteshit like shota or trap doujin. For example all of the Touhou and KanColle doujin featuring males I’ve seen were otokonoko / cross dressing stuff that was obviously created with men in mind. There is a wider issue too where women are fine with consuming male-targeted series, but not the other way around. That’s why I suspect on an industry wide scale, it’s less common for women-targeted mobage to reach the same levels of popularity.

Super Comic City is the popular one for women now, seems to be overwhelmingly female. I also noticed the shift to digital but doujin events also have a social element so I don’t think they will disappear easily.

>>3208
>The mid-2010s was a good time to be a fujoshi.
Just now realizing I don't have a brainrot inducing ship that is "newer" than 2016.

>>3211
>Western side of fandom has always been dependent on Japanese artists for content
While I will agree on the art/doujin side of things, a lot of western fandom is fanfic-focused. I didn't even realize yaoi was trickling into smaller venues in Japan until this thread because of what I just said about not having any new ships. I have the good fortune to be into 3 juggernaut ships and am therefore pretty insulated from this decline, you know?

>The fragmented approach makes a lot of sense when you consider the consumption patterns of female fandoms. Women are picky about specific pairings and their order and go out of their way to avoid content for their NOTPs
I think most fujos understand that there is a difference between "shipping" and "porn" and if the smaller cons are shipping focused it's probably pretty comfy compared to having to share space with dudes who just don't Get It, especially when they double as meetups for your artist friends like >>3209 says.

This next take is probably just me projecting, but I can't help but wonder if jp fujos also find the ephemeral nature mobileshit/vtubers really incompatible with long term/OTP shipping. The framework through which they are presented is usually much weaker than a real game or show/comic/book and they are all doomed to EoS/graduate. They are full of limited time events/streams that turn into homework if you miss them or join the fandom late. Because men generally don't care about shipping, they get to dive into the FOTM doujin pool with little thought to the lore of the story/character and therefore dominate the mobileshit/vtuber market in a way fujoshi generally don't.

>>3211
>It’s not that female/fujo targeted content never exist for those series - fujos always find a way- the overwhelming majority of content is still male-targeted

Yeah wasn't saying 2hu genderswap or anything was going to dominate, was more getting at this idea

>There is a wider issue too where women are fine with consuming male-targeted series

Most male otaku refuse to touch a series like Enstars or Hetalia with a 10-foot pole, but female otaku will find a way to ship anything. Because of this while a series might be male-targeted female otaku will still watch and produce yaoi content for it. I wouldn't even call it an issue, I feel that way and hate when a franchise feels like it's pandering to fujos because they forget to make interesting men.

>>3212
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This next take is probably just me projecting, but I can't help but wonder if jp fujos also find the ephemeral nature mobileshit/vtubers really incompatible with long term/OTP shipping.

Man I feel this, I'll play a gacha spin-off of a franchise I already like or that has a good foundation + lore. I like other Fate properties so F/GO is good supplemental stories, and Twisted Wonderland has a lot of manga spin-offs that work as stand alone stories, to name a few. But I have no interest in getting into a series that is mobile exclusive, because at that point I am stuck with a chore of grinding a new event every month for the 10 minutes of story, and even if I end up liking a character there is no way I can get long-term invested because of just how little there is for him. I guess some fujos don't mind because franchises like Enstars and Genshin do have such a massive fujo audience, but I don't see the appeal.

>>3212
I think everytime I see Japanese (or Asian in general) fujoshi into a pairing from a mobage it's usually from a long mobage that will not be canceled anytime soon and/or it's derivative from other things somehow so you might be unto something. Granblue Fantasy is super popular with fujoshi and it's been popular in general since 2015 I think? It's even getting other video game spinoffs and tons of merchs and official fan events. Same with Touken Ranbu and Ensemble Star. Everything else I can think of is a spinoff of something else, like Idolm@ster side M, Twisted Wonderland, FGO, etc. and I can only think of Nu:Carnival when it comes to mobage that appeal specifically to fujoshi and this one is actual gay porn, very recent and I don't think I've seen many fanarts myself because of this. I think Idolish7 is popular too but idk if it's with husbandofags, fujoshi or both equally and even then, I'm sure the main appeal was that it's that one famous shojo manga artist who did the character designs so you could say it's also somewhat derivative. It's like there was a specific, narrow period when mobage took off with fujoshi and anything after that is less popular by default. I play FE Heroes and Pokemon Masters EX just to collect the hot guys from the games I like and their alts and I know many husbandofags and fujoshi also do this but if they were original games nobody would have bothered with these apps imo.


>>3210
>>3211
I've never heard of these Comic City cons, how big are they? I looked them up and their website is only in Japanese but I saw that there's going to be one at the end of August and the next Comiket doesn't have a specific date yet but I assume it should also be in August. What do?

>>3212
>Just now realizing I don't have a brainrot inducing ship that is "newer" than 2016.
Same, I stick with the classics I grew up with. Thankfully I have basic taste so I'm well fed but I just can't get emotionally attached to characters from gachashit series, which happens to be a sizable chunk of the stuff trending these days.

>a lot of western fandom is fanfic-focused
I can't disagree there - Western fujos already had an established precedent of fanfic writing from the Kirk/Spock slash days so naturally it shaped how Western fandom operates. Fanfic seems not uncommon on the Japanese side, judging by the Pixiv fanfic section and seeing doujins of printed fanfic, but for obvious reasons it doesn't make traction overseas.

>I can't help but wonder if jp fujos also find the ephemeral nature mobileshit/vtubers really incompatible with long term/OTP shipping
I totally understand you there, I just can't really get into gachashit or Vtubers, even the ones with more substantial lore like Genshin Impact (admittedly the general quality of their fandoms is an issue too). I've tried gacha before and like >>3221 expressed those games end up feeling like a chore to play.

But I have to disagree on the premise that mobage/VTubers/whatnot are inherently fujo incompatible. The "ensemble cast of characters with barebones lore in a loosely defined narrative structure" formula is a tried and true formula for fan engagement since it leaves a lot to the imagination. Touhou is the textbook example but Hetalia and Touken Ranbu shows fujos can use the setting to their advantage to come up with all sorts of shippable combos.

Now that I think of it, two staples of the fujo diet - battle shonen manga and sports manga - are similar to those loosely defined ensemble cast franchises in the sense that they provide a plentiful cast of boys who can be combined into multiple shipping configurations. More importantly, those series have a longer, more stable shelf life since scrotes are generally repulsed by anything that caters to women. Female-targeted mobage inherently have a smaller userbase (and thus profit potential) so it's an uphill battle to reach juggernaut status like Touhou or KanColle. The exception are mobage that appeal to both men and women, like Genshin or Honkai Star Rail, and I remember Touken Ranbu had a sizable male player base. On the other hand battle shonen and sports manga are in-name "for boys" so they're immune to the "ewww its for girls" effect while consistently providing cute, interesting boys and buildable shipping material.

Sadly, I don't think we will ever experience another long-running, generation-defining, worldwide phenomenon like Harry Potter or Naruto again, and I wonder what that means for fujos.

>>3222
Not the same number of attendees as Comniket, but the bigger ones in Tokyo can be on a similar scale. According to akaboo.jp there's events in other seasons (for Tokyo) - Haru Comic City 32 in March, Super Comic City in May, and so on. At the current rate, Comiket is going to become more and more male-dominated. I read that the overall vibe at Comic City is more chill too, you can leisurely peruse doujin as opposed to scrambling to queue before your fave circle sells out.

>>3227
I checked the dates for the other Comic City events and they're usually at times of the year when there's no way I'll be allowed to take more than one week of paid leave because of the nature of my job. I'm only really free during the summer. I'll try to go back to Tokyo this summer for two weeks and try to see if it'll be possible for me to attend both the Comiket and the summer Comic City but that sounds like it would be too good to be true. Then there's the whole lottery system to attend Comiket because of covid, which makes me worry a bit about if I'll ever be able to go.

>>3226
>Sadly, I don't think we will ever experience another long-running, generation-defining, worldwide phenomenon like Harry Potter or Naruto again, and I wonder what that means for fujos.
MHA filled this gap adequately but it's wrapping up. As far as I'm aware there is no other anime/manga yaoi-heavy fandom juggernaut set to fill its shoes, at least from Shonen Jump. End of an era feeling.

>>3221
>I feel that way and hate when a franchise feels like it's pandering to fujos because they forget to make interesting men.
I hate nearly all fujobait works. They lack the proper fuel for brainrot. The only kind of "pandering" I want in what I normally read is unpaired endings, my bar is that low!

>>3232
Ahh I see, it’s a bummer that summertime is your only opportunity to travel. Comiket will always be around, so even if you miss it this time it’ll always be around in the future.

>>3233
>End of an era feeling
MHA/JJK/KnY/Chainsaw Man filled the gap for a while but all of them are ending soon or already ended, which means their time in the limelight is limited. Feels bad man, Gen Alpha fujos will never know what it was like to be a teenybopper Sasunaru / Drarry fangirl only to grow up and become a working adult Sasunaru / Drarry fangirl.

>>3234
>MHA/JJK/KnY/Chainsaw Man filled the gap for a while
Speaking of which, I never started any of these series and probably never will after being disappointed by too many old series' bad endings or by endless hiatuses and because I'm lazy as well, and I keep seeing people saying JJK is turning to shit right now on top of that, which is the series that seemed the most appealing to me. I actively avoid fandoms of series and video games I don't care about in case I ever want to get into these franchises later but got super curious with JJK after seeing some spoilers and it seems like its gay pairings are popular enough that even the powerleveling obsessed straight guys don't mind the pairing with two guys who broke up in front of a KFC (?) even if it's just as a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if that pairing would have some sort of long term cultural impact like sasunaru but then again it's still an on-going series so it'll depend on if people will forget it and move on once it ends. It's been a while since I heard about pairings from MHA and I've never seen anyone shipping the guys from the two other series seriously but again, that's partially on purpose.

>Comiket will always be around, so even if you miss it this time it’ll always be around in the future.
True but at the same time given how I'm worrying about my job I think it's better to keep traveling in general while I'm still employed and still have money for it. It's complicated but I think my company is trying to completely outsource everything to some third world office from our group and I wouldn't be surprised if in one year or two I'd be kicked out for being too expensive. So before that happens I want to have some fun without worrying too much about my budget. And there's also the fact that FF16 must have some nice doujinshi by now and I want to see that.

>>3234
I think also outside from some pairings, none of them feel as fujo friendly. Chainsaw Man is incredibly hetero, only MHA might have the nostalgia factor years later, but anime now doesn't seem as friendly to fujos. I'm not surprised to see more fujos moving on to gacha or vtubers as anime moves towards being more shounen but with most of the shounen being heterosexual as fuck.

>>3238
I agree BnHA is easily the most longstanding of those with mass appeal. I know JJK is popular with fujos, but I haven't yet checked it out. Chainsaw man burned me because I saw so much nice shipping art, but the series sucks. I didn't even get to pic related the ship I was interested in.

I don't know if I would say LESS friendly considering shonen has always dominated. It's just most modern shonen doesn't have the same ship appeal. Like Death Note is Shonen but has the clear m/m rivalry, but there wasn't a clear m/m relationship like that in Chainsaw man. That's probably why something like BNHA immediately grabs fujos attention, they set it up in the first chapter even if ultimately you decide on a different pairing the immediate "shipability" is apparent.

>>3239
This is a fair point, it's not even so much about the canon intent, which modern fandom forgets, but just any sort of chemistry or trope potential. Drarry is not intended to even be shipbait by the author, at this point every from Harry Potter has become fanon and Drarry always was because JK Rowling was never interested in writing them as proper rivals, but they were iconic and recognizable characters to ship from a popular IP. With the way current media moves now, there's just no way for something like that to crop up organically. Unlike other anons here, I can see why Genshin has filled that current niche regardless of canon intent, since the most popular fujo ships were never fully based on what the creator intended. It just needs to stick around long enough and be popular enough for fujos to cook, and the way the current anime industry moves just isn't as friendly for that. The lack of easy dynamics like m/m rivalry in big series like Chainsaw Man too. I know there were fujos writing for Demon Slayer, but despite its popularity there were no real iconic, stands the test of time fujo ships.

At the very least I'm glad that Blue lock is helping to keep fujosports alive. That genre contributed to me becoming a fujoshi when I was a tumblr girl and I like to think Blue lock is helping a new generation to do that, alongside giving people like me something to pay attention to now that Haikyu and other sports series from around that time are finished.

>>3239
>Chainsaw man burned me because I saw so much nice shipping art, but the series sucks
Having read (and liked!) CSM before the anime was even announced, seeing all of the m/m pop up after the anime made me feel like a crazy person. I woulda been mad at the false advertising if I got tricked into it expecting a solid shipping foundation and I'm sorry it happened to you! I admire all of the blood squeezed from this stone but I cannot grok what the girls are cooking with, because:
>>3240
>any sort of chemistry or trope potential
This is a hangup for me in explosively popular modern fandoms. Sometimes like >>3239 I will see the fanwork before getting around to the source material and be like "hmm looks good" then when I finally read/watch it I don't see SHIT or I DO see it but find it so tepid I get annoyed that it's so popular (￣ヘ￣)
>I know there were fujos writing for Demon Slayer, but despite its popularity there were no real iconic, stands the test of time fujo ships.
I think of the modern big shonen ships only BKDK really has certified hood classic potential. In reach and intensity it is the zoomer SasuNaru.

>>3242
>I know there were fujos writing for Demon Slayer, but despite its popularity there were no real iconic, stands the test of time fujo ships.
>>3245
>only BKDK really has certified hood classic potential. In reach and intensity it is the zoomer SasuNaru.
Definitely seems like that's the case. But re: Demon Slayer, most of the shippiest m/m is either age gap or incest so most of english speaking fandom ignored it, the rest of fandom is another story - the most popular ships all have/had huge pixiv numbers. I might be biased but I don't really understand people who say there's nothing homoerotic at all because there definitely is, just whether you'll have any ships depends on your preferences. I figure most people are just filtered by the art style.

>>3245
I don't know a lot about JJK. Are there any ships from JJK that are as popular as BakuDeku? Are there any ships that could also stand the test of time?

>>3365
SatoSugu is the closest it gets.

>>3208
I think there are still lots of doujinshi made but the artists that I follow don't go to the comiket anymore, they sell them at other cons. Maybe comiket is too expensive now or it's too dominated by vtubers and other stuff for otaku, so it makes more sense to go to a con with a higher fujo percentage.

>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world
This are just subjective experiences of mine but for my fandoms I noticed that Chinese draw the best cinematic fanart out there but that they're prone to infighting because of ship dynamics.
Koreans seem painfully "safe" to me, even worse than western wokes. Their art can be great but is mostly fluff, the Korean fans I talked to online turned out to be so woke and painfully politically paranoid that I stopped talking to them since everything I like or talk about is toxic, even literal gay sex between adult men because men are bad. Might just be my experience and nobody else's, maybe I will have more luck with them with other fandoms in the future.

Westerners are hit or miss. The majority of them is tumblr, but if you manage to find the few ones that call themselves "degenerate" you might have a cool company that is chill and lets everybody else enjoy and ship what they want. They are also quick to engage with a new ship or series, but it's incredibly hard to find them. Best is to look for fans of villain/villain pairings, wokes despise that, they either ship hero/hero or hero/villain where the hero is the messiah that fixes the bad guy.

>>3212
>>3221
I play and enjoy FGO and even consider a lot of the male character designs cool as shit, but I never ended up shipping anybody. Aside from the reasons you mentioned there is the problem that characters barely interact, they usually just talk to (you) and that sucks since it means there won't be any chemistry.

Arjuna/Karna are an exception. Most characters are the newest shiny .jpg you can roll for and get a story where they are either the big bad, your newest servant lackey or some shady side character that disappears after fulfilling the role. Neither Shi Huang, nor Cu Alter, nor Hassan, Rasputin, Solomon, Merlin or the rest of the majority of FGO OCs has meaningful interactions with other male characters. This is due to the nature of gacha that are basically harems with (you) at the center of everything that happens. I would WANT to ship some of them but I just don't know with whom and what chemistry they are supposed to have.

It's because of this that I hope that they will use the endless money they make with FGO and make more non-FGO fate anime in the future because they actually include proper dialogues and socializing.

>>3369
I agree, there are a few f/go exclusive BL ships I like such as Sanson/Robin Hood and Izou/Ryouma based on events and singularities but a vast majority of the Fate boys I end up shipping come from their interactions in other Fate media.

Narrative structure of gacha games are very constraining. Out of curiosity I can see on the OP chart that Enstars and Touken Ranbu are very high and I see art of them all the time. Those are gacha games too right? Do they have the same MC issue or does the amount of men in the games null that and give then time to actually interact?

>>3208
>>3209
Comiket is overcrowded, played out and filled to the brim with male creeps and moid aligned coomshit, Comic city is a very pleasant experience in comparison and I highly recommend it to anyone who has a chance to visit. It's the biggest "for ladies" event in the country and filled with rows and rows of fujo comics and since cosplay is prohibited there's no scrotoids ogling them, it's no wonder they left Comiket in the dust.

>>3370
>Touken Ranbu are very high and I see art of them all the time. Those are gacha games too right? Do they have the same MC issue
Touken ranbu is kind of an odd case. It's not a gacha game in the traditional sense and you as the player doesn't actually have an avatar. It's been years since I played but while the swords do talk to you it didn't really feel like a harem to me because the swords also have unlockable scenes where they talk to each other if you bring specific ones to a specific map. The extended media such as the anime, manga spinoffs and stageplays also focus more in inter-sword interactions as far as I've seen. I can think of two player stand-in characters, referred to as Saniwa, from the anime and one basically just looks like a young boy and the one from the comedy SoL anime was never shown.

>>3370
>>3372
Current tkrb player here. I think the important thing is that swords only speak to you in the citadel screen, including event messages. Once you send your swords out into the field they only interact with one another. This is why in the stage plays and musicals the master is just a voice over that very rarely says a couple lines of direction to one or two swords. Similar to the Hanamaru anime, most orders are conveyed to the swords by the sword chosen as attendant.

The gender of saniwa has been a subject of arguments in the western fandom. The anime feature one male and one unspecified saniwa, while the stage and musical both have male saniwa that the fansubbers insisted on calling "she" until the role was voiced. The live action movies have shaken things up by introducing an elderly male saniwa and having him, uh, *retire* and be replaced by a 2-year-old girl. The movie after that introduces a selection of saniwa of different genders but iirc focuses on a teenage girl the most. It's a pretty cheap attempt at trying to identify with the target demographic in my opinion, but I prefer the stage productions to the movies anyway.

I think the most interesting thing about tkrb doujinshi is that while there's a vast amount of yumejo and OC shipping, there's a significant amount that feature swordxsword ships at the same time. People make OCs who merely mediate the relationships of their ships, and in some cases they'll ship the attendant with the saniwa and let the other swords go wild. Like Twisted fandom there's also plenty of male saniwa OCs who get up to things with the swords for fujos' amusement. I might only be witnessing pockets because of the swords I look up art of, but to me it seems quite equal opportunity, and that surely counts as a strength. Its numbers are made up of all types and they all have room to IMAGINE because the game is vague as hell.

seen in a doujin, wtf is this "no resale, burn as garbage" shit

>>3407
>Please 'discord' this book as burnable garbage after making its contents illegible.
Who the hell is gonna go through all that work to get rid of a book? You can't even just throw it out, you have to make the contents 'illegible' first? Nobodies gonna do that, kek.

>>3407
It reminds me of the completely unenforceable "rules" for use of MMD models (no sharing after its limited release window, no modification, no use in NSFW animations) some creators would have. I remember when VRChat got popular in ~2017 there were a few creators who would mald about their use in VRC and sometimes get so mad they'd take the model down (which usually just meant somebody who had the files already would share them in an asset sharing discord). Basically it's not uncommon for jp artists to ask this of their audience and it is usually followed due to common courtesy.

For doujins I can understand this a little better: they usually have some degree of identifying info (circle name, pixiv/twitter) there to connect with other fans and they have a fear of that info falling into the hands of a bored harasser if the doujin is distributed in any way other than bought directly from the creator by a sincere fan of its contents. It's rough out there for fujoshi!

jp artists demand so much control over their work, beyond what is reasonable. someone gets into the fandom late and tries to buy djs secondhand at a used bookstore? nah fuck them I guess, should have bought it from the extremely limited supply on toranoana/booth in the five minutes before it got snatched up

>>3421
Yeah it's really unreasonable. One thing western fandom is better at is the archival of fandom works. Obviously it's easier because the west favors fanfic over zines (many of which also operate on buy-during-production-or-probably-never-see-again rules), but I wish jp fujos could be free from the paranoia/shame that seems to birth the use of this disclaimer. Fandom history is largely women's history!

>>3421
I wouldn't be surprised if these doujinshika really see Japanese cons as just some pretext to meet fans of the same series or games and the doujinshi are just an elaborate pretext to have a booth and meet people far more easily than if they were just walking around and buying stuff. Besides that or the "don't want to have crazy stalkers" excuse I don't get it.

>>3407
That "warning" is put there due to Japan's strict copyright rules. Doujinshis operate in a very legally grey area and they're actually considered illegal, but companies look the other way as long as artists aren't making a profit with them because doujinshi circles are perfect breeding grounds for new mangakas they can pick and choose from and doujinshi is practically free advertisement for their properties as well. Nobody follows these terms in practice (as you can see kbooks and mandarake etc. are filled with resale doujinshi) but it's simply there to shield the author from legal ramifications.

>>3421
Don't they also get paranoid when creators say they don't like doujin? The Frieren author said he didn't want anyone making doujin for the series, and I saw a lot of artists delete their stuff in response.

Trying to get honest opinions here. Would I be crazy or stupid to travel to Japan twice this year, once in August to go to Comic City Vega in Tokyo (on the 25th of August) and in December for the winter Comiket? It would cost me a lot of money but I think in terms of free time I should be fine given how there's almost nothing to do at my job during these specific periods. It's not like I'm planning to go to Japan Expo anymore even though it's in my country because at that rate with the Olympic games it's gonna be just as expensive to get train tickets, a hotel room, good food and tickets for the 4 days of the con, and it's just not that interesting now that artists pander to younger nerds who are into series and games I don't know or care about. Meanwhile in Japan the only real expensive things are plane tickets. And Japan Expo is also badly organized, I'm still not over not being able to get to meet Kotteri because the publishing company for Veil decided to do their own stupid thing instead of letting the con handle autograph sessions in 2022. And I also missed out on a concert on Saturday because they announced it at the last minute when I already had the hotel room and train ticket to go back home at the end of Friday. Then again I might as well treat myself because I don't pay rent for now and saved a lot of money and I'm into more recent IPs these days so I can find good stuff in cons and in Mandarake stores. I'm still mad that the pandemic ruined all my plans in 2020 when I was in Japan so I never went to cons there.

Something that's also making me hesitate is that my father is sick, his condition was stable so I thought it wouldn't be too much of an issue, until this week. But I don't want to report big trips like this to later because I'm not sure I'll still be employed given how my company is outsourcing everything to cheap 3rd world countries.

>>3434
I'd go but be ready to commit to dropping it all and going home for your dad. You could just also ask your dad what he thinks about it and maybe go with a clearer conscience.

https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/00960/00001/

Like all fandom surveys I don't quite trust it beyond "rough numbers at a glance", but it's fun to talk about all the same. I was surprised to see Yu-Gi-Oh! that far into boy territory, but realized I was biased from all the 00s anime yaoi that seemed to be everywhere.

In this thread we briefly talked about how there are few new fujobaity works, and I'm wondering how the numbers of new fujoshi reflect that. JP fujos don't often list their age in their bios like westerners do, so it's really hard to eyeball the activity of any given gen.

>>3440
>Evangelion more male-dominated than SAO
I totally forgot men liked this series too

>>3440
>JP fujos don't often list their age in their bios like westerners do, so it's really hard to eyeball the activity of any given gen.
The artists I see more often than not seem like adults with stable, fulltime jobs because they bitch about work, especially in their private/NSFW twitter accounts for the few ones I follow. The few Japanese fujoshi I saw who seemed pretty young weren't artists, just girls posting the merchs and BL manga they bought, screenshots of their favorite gacha games and they mention high school or university from time to time. I'm biased obviously but it seems like Japanese nerds on twitter tend to be young adults or late teenagers for the youngest ones, meanwhile in English speaking fandoms on twitter you see shit like 13 years old kids telling you that you're problematic if you ship characters in general because they don't even know what that means. Japanese fujoshi stay vague and will just say something like 20+ or 30+ in their bios.

As for that survey, I wonder how much the results would change if you counted kids and teenagers, and not just adults. Some of these IPs would be way lower all of a sudden. I was also shocked to see Yu-gi-oh so far in the men side but it's about IPs in general and not the original manga and its anime adaptation so I'm sure most men who answered were these card playing autists.

>>3437
My father would refuse but he always disagreed with me traveling alone in general anyway so that's not very telling. To him I'm not married so if I do anything alone for more than 24h I'm an unmarriageable whore I wouldn't wish religious parents on my worse enemies. My youngest sister did plan a much longer trip behind everyone's back despite being inexperienced and not having as much money as me, and her English is pure shit so everyone yelled at her to not go, she still planned everything for this summer but with free cancelation for the plane trips and the hotels. I think I should still think about it for a bit longer. Sometimes I'm considering just purchasing doujinshi online but it's not as fun.

>>3407
Kek that happened with a doujin I also recently bought. I’m guessing it’s both typical artist autism but also them not wanting it to be confused with official works (which I don’t get unless it’s some SUPER on model stuff like cassino)

>>3445
Plot twist: my father doesn't give a fuck if I go anywhere, he just didn't want my youngest sister to travel alone because he's paranoid and think the yakuza will kidnap her as soon as she leaves the Narita airport. But I'm worried about Boeing now so I haven't booked any flight yet. All the planes that could take me to Tokyo from my city are Boeing planes, just like the times when I went there before.

I might actually go to Japan for June/July because of the Comic City in late June, plane tickets are way cheaper than for August. I chose more or less the same dates last year and had no clue there was a con at the time. This time I'd also like to stay a few days in Kyoto instead of just one day and going back to Osaka so there's that too. My manager won't approve of these dates but fuck her, she made me lose nearly a whole week of PTO last year with her bs and now I'm still overworked so I'm only going to think of myself. My only issue now is Boeing but I can check the exact planes for these trips iirc so I'll be careful.

>>3462
Wasn't it basically confirmed that cassino was one of Sadamoto's assistants? Would explain why she could get manga Kawoshin so scarily on-model

>>3680
Did you travel by bus anywhere in the country while you were in Japan?

>>3857
No, I never took the bus. I plan on visiting the daibutsu in Ushiku and the only ways to get there are either by car/taxi or by bus rom the Ushiku train station so I will eventually try at least once though. I've seen a lot of people who recommend taking night buses from one city to another to save money because the shinkansen can be expensive, but I always took the train to save time instead of money.

Trends at Comic City 31 https://twitter.com/anodoko/status/1785254703640801668

Gegege No Kitaro is popular lately, followed by Genshin and Touken Ranbu

>>3883
It's so funny how popular Hazbin Hotel is, it looks so out of place compared to all the other series listed.

>>3883
tldr for those too lazy to open twitter.

>>3885
>Undertale is still charting years later.

Insane, wonder if Hazbin will have that longevity.

>>3680
Have you ever thought about connecting with other fujos and doing things together? While it seems like you might prefer going solo, having someone you can hang out with or just talk to even few times can make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

>>3887
Nta how do you find fellow fujos to draw/write together? Doesn’t help what my interests are mostly OC.

>>3887
I can't travel with friends this year, they're fujoshi so that could have been cool. I'll see if I can go to small collabs or events and meet people there but the last time I did that the other costumers in these cafes just started conversations to trade coasters and ask help to take pictures of them. Not being fluent in Japanese doesn't really help but I don't think that's impossible.

I already posted in the doujinshi thread but my trip to Japan this summer was really fun and I went to June Bride Fes just like I said I would. And I can confirm that it was like 99.9% of women and I saw just two or three guys in there, dressed like offensive stereotypes of male otaku. I loved the experience a lot so I'm considering going to Japan next year or in 2026 in August depending on the other destinations that interest me and on my budget so I can go to Comiket, Comitia and Comic City Vega during the same time period. This year's summer Comiket happened recently so a lot of Japanese people tweeted about it, I did see a few tweets here and there about how there are way less women selling compared to before and how it's easier for them to just to any of the Comic City events just because it's better organized (no lottery system to get a table, it!s first come first serve for instance). So it's confirming whatvwe said in previous posts here. I'm already saving money for this right now, I really want to go to Comiket at least once. If I can actually go I'll report back. Same with Comitia but in terms of BL I don't know what to expect because only original doujinshi are allowed, no fandom stuff at all.

I wonder when fandom started using twitter to post fanfiction of all things. I'm currently 200 tweets deep into a "tweetstorm" MHA fic. The author has hundreds of threads of ideas they haven't expanded on yet and each is like a small drabble worth of words.

I mean, the author's comfort matters the most but it is so hard to follow the fics and save anything for future re-reads. Also, trusting Xitter, of all platforms, to preserve their hard work when wrongthink phrases or words or malicious reports from antis can get entire accounts suspended overnight, sure is something.

>>4762
>I wonder when fandom started using twitter to post fanfiction of all things.
Generous: for better or worse Twitter is the "fandom" platform now. You get more engagement there and it's easier for readers to passively share the fic (retweeting or the algo puts it on their timelines through your comments/likes) than getting people to click on a Ao3 link you have to actively take the time to post. Ao3 comment sections are a ghost town unless the fic is SUPER popular.
Less generous: probably when they realized they could post ko-fi goals for early updates, or updates at all.

MHA was also my first brush with this and while I don't want to be mean a lot of those fics I've seen are just… not great. I felt like I got tricked into starting to read them because there is no way to filter, it's just a trust exercise until you realize the author can't deliver on a concept or that their prose isn't appealing. The format obfuscates my eyeball filters: what the summary promises versus word count, word/chapter ratio, gratuitous tags–the minutiae that controls read or keep scrolling.

The finished works often get uploaded to Ao3 by the author (sometimes I will see "from the Twitter thread" in Author's Notes of fics I liked, so they can't all be mid). For your own archival purposes, Thread Reader App (https://threadreaderapp.com/) is helpful for getting the text on one document to copy/paste.

>>4762
Weird, I've never encountered that before in any of my fandoms. I've just seen writers post an image version of a snippet from the fic and then an AO3 link.

>>4762
>>4766
I don't use twitter at all so this is wild to me. I guess I can see the ease of engagement but reading anything besides a drabble seems like it'd be hell.

>>3886
I don't think Undertale became a thing in Japan until very recently, for some reason they were years late to the trend so that's probably why.

>>3884
Having it air on Amazon Prime with a Japanese dub did its magic. People always think that the Japanese aren't interested in western media but the main issue is always accessibility, mostly language and platform.

>>4762
I first saw this in danmei fandoms around 2018. They weren't full prose fics though, more like short concept summaries that steadily get more elaborate. Since they were impromptu and told like people discussing ideas they had they could be fun and get right to the appeal of the idea. I did drop a bunch where the author thought they'd make a second thread continuation that tried to go further like a full story in parts.

>>4766
>>4768
Regarding the posting of Ao3 links: tweets with an URL in won't turn up in tag/search results, so people will post a blurb and then use the first reply to share the link. Making people open a thread to find the fic link reduces the number of casual browsers.

There was a chart about which character was most associated with "lactation" on a03 and it was Obi-Wan-Kenobi

>>4813
i’ve seen those statistics too and it was oddly validating to see the proof because i always felt like there was So Fucking Much but never bothered to do the math. even aside from obi-wan, there’s a wild amount of lactation in star wars fics. how is it so prevalent in that fandom specifically??

>>4762
I have never seen this. I didn't even know it was a thing until I read your post now. At best I see Japanese fans linking Privatter fics.

>>4817
There are 250 Obi-wan fics that come up with a search of "Lactation." Not sure why though seems like a random choice for male lactation. They aren't even memey shitpost most are over 5k words. >>4817