No.3208[Last 50 Posts]
Thread for meta-commentary on trends in the fujoshphere, including but not limited to:
>The recent dearth of fujo-friendly IPs and the overall decline of female-targeted series>Observations and trends about fujo fan activities>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world>Predictions or theories about the BL industryThis is not a thread for pro/anti discourse (
>>2521) or complaining about the genderspecial infestation (
>>541) - threads for those topics already exist.
I was looking at the stats for Comiket 103 and I couldn't help but notice a lack of fujo presence. Picrel is a list of the genre codes and the number of registered circles under them. The genre code is a category that each circle choose upon registration; they can be dedicated to a single franchise (eg 234 Touhou, 331 Kantai Collection, 335 Uma Musume, 222 VTubers) or encompass an entire category (eg 315 Romance, Social games for women which is where games like Ensemble Stars and Twisted Wonderland would fall). Some of them like 600 Reviews/Information or 611 Railways/Travel aren't related to manga/anime at all.
It's obvious that Blue Archive and VTubers swept this Comiket, with mainstays like Kantai Collection, Uma Musume, Idolmaster and Type-Moon ranking high. In other words, all franchises for men. On the other hand, the fujo mainstays like Tiger and Bunny and Touken Ranbu look puny in comparison. Yuri on Ice is a certified fujo classic but it lost its custom genre code last Comiket.
In comparison, the other picrel is a ranking of the most popular series from C89 which was winter 2015. The red bars are female-dominated genres, the blue are male and purple are unisex. From top to bottom: 1) KanColle 2) Touken Ranbu 3) Touhou 4) Idolmaster 5) Haikyuu 6) Kuroko no Basuke 7) Yowamushi Pedal 8) Love Live 9) Tiger and Bunny 10) Attack on Titan 11) Vocaloid 12) Fate series 13) Hetalia 14) Free 15) Blood Blockade Battlefront 16) Splatoon. This was the heyday of Touken Ranbu - it gave juggernauts like Touhou and IM#S a run for their money - and outside obligatory mainstays like KanColle and Idolmaster, fujo favorites dominated the charts.
What happened between 2015 and now? The trend of women (and by extension fujoshi) disappearing from Comiket hasn't gone unnoticed. But it's not as if women are making less doujin, it's that women are flocking to non-Comiket conventions - namely those hosted by the agency AkaBooBoo like Super Comic City. On the other hand, I feel like there is a slump in fujo activity because it's been a while since we've had a fleet of fujo powerhouses trending at the same time (compared to 2015). The mid-2010s wasa good time to be a fujoshi.
No.3209
I've seen some male otaku talking about it on twitter. Their reactions really depended on whether they like mobage or not obviously. I already went to Japan last summer and talked about it in a few threads but I'd like to go back for comiket, and seeing these data makes me worry a little. But then again I plan on going back to Ikebukuro's and Akiba's Mandarake for older doujinshi at some point as well, which I nevee dared buy before because I don't live alone. I keep seeing a lot of Japanese artists posting about way smaller events that focus on a specific pairing or series and that they plan at any time of the year and it seems like it's mostly a pretext to meet up with their artist friends, maybe this also contributes to comiket focusing more on mobage?
No.3210
>>3208I feel it's a bit uncharitable with declaring some of the franchises "for men" for example Type-Moon has a sizable female following and plenty of doujinshi. Fujos tend to work with any series regardless of the perceived "male dominance." I've already seen Blue Archive yaoi, give it a few years and I predict some genderswap doujinshi a la Touhou.
Though I haven't noticed the slump of doujinshi period and didn't even consider alternate events. Is Super Comic City a female only event of just leaning female? The alt events must do relatively well since, again I haven't noticed a slump. I also wonder how many circles are pushing stuff more digitally now, I've come across a few circles who just sell their stuff directly through BOOTH or FANBOX.
No.3211
>>3209Strangely, I haven’t seen any discussion of this on the female weeb side internationally. Maybe they’re too busy cannibalizing themselves over pro/anti discourse but the Western side of fandom has always been dependent on Japanese artists for content so trends like these are worth paying attention to. Smaller, series/pairing/character specific events are definitely the trend now for Japanese artists. The fragmented approach makes a lot of sense when you consider the consumption patterns of female fandoms. Women are picky about specific pairings and their order and go out of their way to avoid content for their NOTPs. At this rate, Super Comic City and Haru Comic City rather than Comiket would be a better bet.
>>3210It’s not that female/fujo targeted content never exist for those series - fujos always find a way- the overwhelming majority of content is still male-targeted. I agree that TYPE-MOON franchises like Fate have unisex appeal due to catering to both men and women but Blue Archive or Touhou genderswap yaoi doujins are the exception to the norm. Even among them, a lot is scroteshit like shota or trap doujin. For example all of the Touhou and KanColle doujin featuring males I’ve seen were otokonoko / cross dressing stuff that was obviously created with men in mind. There is a wider issue too where women are fine with consuming male-targeted series, but not the other way around. That’s why I suspect on an industry wide scale, it’s less common for women-targeted mobage to reach the same levels of popularity.
Super Comic City is the popular one for women now, seems to be overwhelmingly female. I also noticed the shift to digital but doujin events also have a social element so I don’t think they will disappear easily.
No.3212
>>3208>The mid-2010s was a good time to be a fujoshi.Just now realizing I don't have a brainrot inducing ship that is "newer" than 2016.
>>3211>Western side of fandom has always been dependent on Japanese artists for contentWhile I will agree on the art/doujin side of things, a lot of western fandom is fanfic-focused. I didn't even realize yaoi was trickling into smaller venues in Japan until this thread because of what I just said about not having any new ships. I have the good fortune to be into 3 juggernaut ships and am therefore pretty insulated from this decline, you know?
>The fragmented approach makes a lot of sense when you consider the consumption patterns of female fandoms. Women are picky about specific pairings and their order and go out of their way to avoid content for their NOTPsI think most fujos understand that there is a difference between "shipping" and "porn" and if the smaller cons are shipping focused it's probably pretty comfy compared to having to share space with dudes who just don't Get It, especially when they double as meetups for your artist friends like
>>3209 says.
This next take is probably just me projecting, but I can't help but wonder if jp fujos also find the ephemeral nature mobileshit/vtubers really incompatible with long term/OTP shipping. The framework through which they are presented is usually much weaker than a real game or show/comic/book and they are all doomed to EoS/graduate. They are full of limited time events/streams that turn into homework if you miss them or join the fandom late. Because men generally don't care about shipping, they get to dive into the FOTM doujin pool with little thought to the lore of the story/character and therefore dominate the mobileshit/vtuber market in a way fujoshi generally don't.
No.3221
>>3211>It’s not that female/fujo targeted content never exist for those series - fujos always find a way- the overwhelming majority of content is still male-targetedYeah wasn't saying 2hu genderswap or anything was going to dominate, was more getting at this idea
>There is a wider issue too where women are fine with consuming male-targeted seriesMost male otaku refuse to touch a series like Enstars or Hetalia with a 10-foot pole, but female otaku will find a way to ship anything. Because of this while a series might be male-targeted female otaku will still watch and produce yaoi content for it. I wouldn't even call it an issue, I feel that way and hate when a franchise feels like it's pandering to fujos because they forget to make interesting men.
>>3212>This next take is probably just me projecting, but I can't help but wonder if jp fujos also find the ephemeral nature mobileshit/vtubers really incompatible with long term/OTP shipping.
Man I feel this, I'll play a gacha spin-off of a franchise I already like or that has a good foundation + lore. I like other Fate properties so F/GO is good supplemental stories, and Twisted Wonderland has a lot of manga spin-offs that work as stand alone stories, to name a few. But I have no interest in getting into a series that is mobile exclusive, because at that point I am stuck with a chore of grinding a new event every month for the 10 minutes of story, and even if I end up liking a character there is no way I can get long-term invested because of just how little there is for him. I guess some fujos don't mind because franchises like Enstars and Genshin do have such a massive fujo audience, but I don't see the appeal.
No.3222
>>3212I think everytime I see Japanese (or Asian in general) fujoshi into a pairing from a mobage it's usually from a long mobage that will not be canceled anytime soon and/or it's derivative from other things somehow so you might be unto something. Granblue Fantasy is super popular with fujoshi and it's been popular in general since 2015 I think? It's even getting other video game spinoffs and tons of merchs and official fan events. Same with Touken Ranbu and Ensemble Star. Everything else I can think of is a spinoff of something else, like Idolm@ster side M, Twisted Wonderland, FGO, etc. and I can only think of Nu:Carnival when it comes to mobage that appeal specifically to fujoshi and this one is actual gay porn, very recent and I don't think I've seen many fanarts myself because of this. I think Idolish7 is popular too but idk if it's with husbandofags, fujoshi or both equally and even then, I'm sure the main appeal was that it's that one famous shojo manga artist who did the character designs so you could say it's also somewhat derivative. It's like there was a specific, narrow period when mobage took off with fujoshi and anything after that is less popular by default. I play FE Heroes and Pokemon Masters EX just to collect the hot guys from the games I like and their alts and I know many husbandofags and fujoshi also do this but if they were original games nobody would have bothered with these apps imo.
>>3210>>3211I've never heard of these Comic City cons, how big are they? I looked them up and their website is only in Japanese but I saw that there's going to be one at the end of August and the next Comiket doesn't have a specific date yet but I assume it should also be in August. What do?
No.3226
>>3212>Just now realizing I don't have a brainrot inducing ship that is "newer" than 2016. Same, I stick with the classics I grew up with. Thankfully I have basic taste so I'm well fed but I just can't get emotionally attached to characters from gachashit series, which happens to be a sizable chunk of the stuff trending these days.
>a lot of western fandom is fanfic-focusedI can't disagree there - Western fujos already had an established precedent of fanfic writing from the Kirk/Spock slash days so naturally it shaped how Western fandom operates. Fanfic seems not uncommon on the Japanese side, judging by the Pixiv fanfic section and seeing doujins of printed fanfic, but for obvious reasons it doesn't make traction overseas.
>I can't help but wonder if jp fujos also find the ephemeral nature mobileshit/vtubers really incompatible with long term/OTP shippingI totally understand you there, I just can't really get into gachashit or Vtubers, even the ones with more substantial lore like Genshin Impact (admittedly the general quality of their fandoms is an issue too). I've tried gacha before and like
>>3221 expressed those games end up feeling like a chore to play.
But I have to disagree on the premise that mobage/VTubers/whatnot are inherently fujo incompatible. The "ensemble cast of characters with barebones lore in a loosely defined narrative structure" formula is a tried and true formula for fan engagement since it leaves a lot to the imagination. Touhou is the textbook example but Hetalia and Touken Ranbu shows fujos can use the setting to their advantage to come up with all sorts of shippable combos.
Now that I think of it, two staples of the fujo diet - battle shonen manga and sports manga - are similar to those loosely defined ensemble cast franchises in the sense that they provide a plentiful cast of boys who can be combined into multiple shipping configurations. More importantly, those series have a longer, more stable shelf life since scrotes are generally repulsed by anything that caters to women. Female-targeted mobage inherently have a smaller userbase (and thus profit potential) so it's an uphill battle to reach juggernaut status like Touhou or KanColle. The exception are mobage that appeal to both men and women, like Genshin or Honkai Star Rail, and I remember Touken Ranbu had a sizable male player base. On the other hand battle shonen and sports manga are in-name "for boys" so they're immune to the "ewww its for girls" effect while consistently providing cute, interesting boys and buildable shipping material.
Sadly, I don't think we will ever experience another long-running, generation-defining, worldwide phenomenon like Harry Potter or Naruto again, and I wonder what that means for fujos.
No.3227
>>3222Not the same number of attendees as Comniket, but the bigger ones in Tokyo can be on a similar scale. According to akaboo.jp there's events in other seasons (for Tokyo) - Haru Comic City 32 in March, Super Comic City in May, and so on. At the current rate, Comiket is going to become more and more male-dominated. I read that the overall vibe at Comic City is more chill too, you can leisurely peruse doujin as opposed to scrambling to queue before your fave circle sells out.
No.3232
>>3227I checked the dates for the other Comic City events and they're usually at times of the year when there's no way I'll be allowed to take more than one week of paid leave because of the nature of my job. I'm only really free during the summer. I'll try to go back to Tokyo this summer for two weeks and try to see if it'll be possible for me to attend both the Comiket and the summer Comic City but that sounds like it would be too good to be true. Then there's the whole lottery system to attend Comiket because of covid, which makes me worry a bit about if I'll ever be able to go.
No.3233
>>3226>Sadly, I don't think we will ever experience another long-running, generation-defining, worldwide phenomenon like Harry Potter or Naruto again, and I wonder what that means for fujos.MHA filled this gap adequately but it's wrapping up. As far as I'm aware there is no other anime/manga yaoi-heavy fandom juggernaut set to fill its shoes, at least from Shonen Jump. End of an era feeling.
>>3221>I feel that way and hate when a franchise feels like it's pandering to fujos because they forget to make interesting men. I hate nearly all fujobait works. They lack the proper fuel for brainrot. The only kind of "pandering" I want in what I normally read is unpaired endings, my bar is that low!
No.3234
>>3232Ahh I see, it’s a bummer that summertime is your only opportunity to travel. Comiket will always be around, so even if you miss it this time it’ll always be around in the future.
>>3233>End of an era feelingMHA/JJK/KnY/Chainsaw Man filled the gap for a while but all of them are ending soon or already ended, which means their time in the limelight is limited. Feels bad man, Gen Alpha fujos will never know what it was like to be a teenybopper Sasunaru / Drarry fangirl only to grow up and become a working adult Sasunaru / Drarry fangirl.
No.3235
>>3234>MHA/JJK/KnY/Chainsaw Man filled the gap for a whileSpeaking of which, I never started any of these series and probably never will after being disappointed by too many old series' bad endings or by endless hiatuses and because I'm lazy as well, and I keep seeing people saying JJK is turning to shit right now on top of that, which is the series that seemed the most appealing to me. I actively avoid fandoms of series and video games I don't care about in case I ever want to get into these franchises later but got super curious with JJK after seeing some spoilers and it seems like its gay pairings are popular enough that even the powerleveling obsessed straight guys don't mind the pairing with two guys who broke up in front of a KFC (?) even if it's just as a joke. I wouldn't be surprised if that pairing would have some sort of long term cultural impact like sasunaru but then again it's still an on-going series so it'll depend on if people will forget it and move on once it ends. It's been a while since I heard about pairings from MHA and I've never seen anyone shipping the guys from the two other series seriously but again, that's partially on purpose.
>Comiket will always be around, so even if you miss it this time it’ll always be around in the future. True but at the same time given how I'm worrying about my job I think it's better to keep traveling in general while I'm still employed and still have money for it. It's complicated but I think my company is trying to completely outsource everything to some third world office from our group and I wouldn't be surprised if in one year or two I'd be kicked out for being too expensive. So before that happens I want to have some fun without worrying too much about my budget. And there's also the fact that FF16 must have some nice doujinshi by now and I want to see that.
No.3238
>>3234I think also outside from some pairings, none of them feel as fujo friendly. Chainsaw Man is incredibly hetero, only MHA might have the nostalgia factor years later, but anime now doesn't seem as friendly to fujos. I'm not surprised to see more fujos moving on to gacha or vtubers as anime moves towards being more shounen but with most of the shounen being heterosexual as fuck.
No.3239
>>3238I agree BnHA is easily the most longstanding of those with mass appeal. I know JJK is popular with fujos, but I haven't yet checked it out. Chainsaw man burned me because I saw so much nice shipping art, but the series sucks. I didn't even get to pic related the ship I was interested in.
I don't know if I would say LESS friendly considering shonen has always dominated. It's just most modern shonen doesn't have the same ship appeal. Like Death Note is Shonen but has the clear m/m rivalry, but there wasn't a clear m/m relationship like that in Chainsaw man. That's probably why something like BNHA immediately grabs fujos attention, they set it up in the first chapter even if ultimately you decide on a different pairing the immediate "shipability" is apparent.
No.3240
>>3239This is a fair point, it's not even so much about the canon intent, which modern fandom forgets, but just any sort of chemistry or trope potential. Drarry is not intended to even be shipbait by the author, at this point every from Harry Potter has become fanon and Drarry always was because JK Rowling was never interested in writing them as proper rivals, but they were iconic and recognizable characters to ship from a popular IP. With the way current media moves now, there's just no way for something like that to crop up organically. Unlike other anons here, I can see why Genshin has filled that current niche regardless of canon intent, since the most popular fujo ships were never fully based on what the creator intended. It just needs to stick around long enough and be popular enough for fujos to cook, and the way the current anime industry moves just isn't as friendly for that. The lack of easy dynamics like m/m rivalry in big series like Chainsaw Man too. I know there were fujos writing for Demon Slayer, but despite its popularity there were no real iconic, stands the test of time fujo ships.
No.3245
>>3239>Chainsaw man burned me because I saw so much nice shipping art, but the series sucksHaving read (and liked!) CSM before the anime was even announced, seeing all of the m/m pop up after the anime made me feel like a crazy person. I woulda been mad at the false advertising if I got tricked into it expecting a solid shipping foundation and I'm sorry it happened to you! I admire all of the blood squeezed from this stone but I cannot grok what the girls are cooking with, because:
>>3240>any sort of chemistry or trope potentialThis is a hangup for me in explosively popular modern fandoms. Sometimes like
>>3239 I will see the fanwork before getting around to the source material and be like "hmm looks good" then when I finally read/watch it I don't see SHIT or I DO see it but find it so tepid I get annoyed that it's so popular (￣ヘ￣)
>I know there were fujos writing for Demon Slayer, but despite its popularity there were no real iconic, stands the test of time fujo ships.I think of the modern big shonen ships only BKDK really has certified hood classic potential. In reach and intensity it is the zoomer SasuNaru.
No.3246
>>3242>I know there were fujos writing for Demon Slayer, but despite its popularity there were no real iconic, stands the test of time fujo ships.>>3245>only BKDK really has certified hood classic potential. In reach and intensity it is the zoomer SasuNaru.Definitely seems like that's the case. But re: Demon Slayer, most of the shippiest m/m is either age gap or incest so most of english speaking fandom ignored it, the rest of fandom is another story - the most popular ships all have/had huge pixiv numbers. I might be biased but I don't really understand people who say there's nothing homoerotic at all because there definitely is, just whether you'll have any ships depends on your preferences. I figure most people are just filtered by the art style.
No.3365
>>3245I don't know a lot about JJK. Are there any ships from JJK that are as popular as BakuDeku? Are there any ships that could also stand the test of time?
No.3366
>>3365SatoSugu is the closest it gets.
No.3368
>>3208I think there are still lots of doujinshi made but the artists that I follow don't go to the comiket anymore, they sell them at other cons. Maybe comiket is too expensive now or it's too dominated by vtubers and other stuff for otaku, so it makes more sense to go to a con with a higher fujo percentage.
>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the worldThis are just subjective experiences of mine but for my fandoms I noticed that Chinese draw the best cinematic fanart out there but that they're prone to infighting because of ship dynamics.
Koreans seem painfully "safe" to me, even worse than western wokes. Their art can be great but is mostly fluff, the Korean fans I talked to online turned out to be so woke and painfully politically paranoid that I stopped talking to them since everything I like or talk about is toxic, even literal gay sex between adult men because men are bad. Might just be my experience and nobody else's, maybe I will have more luck with them with other fandoms in the future.
Westerners are hit or miss. The majority of them is tumblr, but if you manage to find the few ones that call themselves "degenerate" you might have a cool company that is chill and lets everybody else enjoy and ship what they want. They are also quick to engage with a new ship or series, but it's incredibly hard to find them. Best is to look for fans of villain/villain pairings, wokes despise that, they either ship hero/hero or hero/villain where the hero is the messiah that fixes the bad guy.
No.3369
>>3212>>3221I play and enjoy FGO and even consider a lot of the male character designs cool as shit, but I never ended up shipping anybody. Aside from the reasons you mentioned there is the problem that characters barely interact, they usually just talk to (you) and that sucks since it means there won't be any chemistry.
Arjuna/Karna are an exception. Most characters are the newest shiny .jpg you can roll for and get a story where they are either the big bad, your newest servant lackey or some shady side character that disappears after fulfilling the role. Neither Shi Huang, nor Cu Alter, nor Hassan, Rasputin, Solomon, Merlin or the rest of the majority of FGO OCs has meaningful interactions with other male characters. This is due to the nature of gacha that are basically harems with (you) at the center of everything that happens. I would WANT to ship some of them but I just don't know with whom and what chemistry they are supposed to have.
It's because of this that I hope that they will use the endless money they make with FGO and make more non-FGO fate anime in the future because they actually include proper dialogues and socializing.
No.3370
>>3369I agree, there are a few f/go exclusive BL ships I like such as Sanson/Robin Hood and Izou/Ryouma based on events and singularities but a vast majority of the Fate boys I end up shipping come from their interactions in other Fate media.
Narrative structure of gacha games are very constraining. Out of curiosity I can see on the OP chart that Enstars and Touken Ranbu are very high and I see art of them all the time. Those are gacha games too right? Do they have the same MC issue or does the amount of men in the games null that and give then time to actually interact?
No.3371
>>3208>>3209Comiket is overcrowded, played out and filled to the brim with male creeps and moid aligned coomshit, Comic city is a very pleasant experience in comparison and I highly recommend it to anyone who has a chance to visit. It's the biggest "for ladies" event in the country and filled with rows and rows of fujo comics and since cosplay is prohibited there's no scrotoids ogling them, it's no wonder they left Comiket in the dust.
No.3379
>>3370>>3372Current tkrb player here. I think the important thing is that swords only speak to you in the citadel screen, including event messages. Once you send your swords out into the field they only interact with one another. This is why in the stage plays and musicals the master is just a voice over that very rarely says a couple lines of direction to one or two swords. Similar to the Hanamaru anime, most orders are conveyed to the swords by the sword chosen as attendant.
The gender of saniwa has been a subject of arguments in the western fandom. The anime feature one male and one unspecified saniwa, while the stage and musical both have male saniwa that the fansubbers insisted on calling "she" until the role was voiced. The live action movies have shaken things up by introducing an elderly male saniwa and having him, uh, *retire* and be replaced by a 2-year-old girl. The movie after that introduces a selection of saniwa of different genders but iirc focuses on a teenage girl the most. It's a pretty cheap attempt at trying to identify with the target demographic in my opinion, but I prefer the stage productions to the movies anyway.
I think the most interesting thing about tkrb doujinshi is that while there's a vast amount of yumejo and OC shipping, there's a significant amount that feature swordxsword ships at the same time. People make OCs who merely mediate the relationships of their ships, and in some cases they'll ship the attendant with the saniwa and let the other swords go wild. Like Twisted fandom there's also plenty of male saniwa OCs who get up to things with the swords for fujos' amusement. I might only be witnessing pockets because of the swords I look up art of, but to me it seems quite equal opportunity, and that surely counts as a strength. Its numbers are made up of all types and they all have room to IMAGINE because the game is vague as hell.
No.3412
>>3407>Please 'discord' this book as burnable garbage after making its contents illegible.Who the hell is gonna go through all that work to get rid of a book? You can't even just throw it out, you have to make the contents 'illegible' first? Nobodies gonna do that, kek.
No.3418
>>3407It reminds me of the completely unenforceable "rules" for use of MMD models (no sharing after its limited release window, no modification, no use in NSFW animations) some creators would have. I remember when VRChat got popular in ~2017 there were a few creators who would mald about their use in VRC and sometimes get so mad they'd take the model down (which usually just meant somebody who had the files already would share them in an asset sharing discord). Basically it's not uncommon for jp artists to ask this of their audience and it is usually followed due to common courtesy.
For doujins I can understand this a little better: they usually have some degree of identifying info (circle name, pixiv/twitter) there to connect with other fans and they have a fear of that info falling into the hands of a bored harasser if the doujin is distributed in any way other than bought directly from the creator by a sincere fan of its contents. It's rough out there for fujoshi!
No.3421
jp artists demand so much control over their work, beyond what is reasonable. someone gets into the fandom late and tries to buy djs secondhand at a used bookstore? nah fuck them I guess, should have bought it from the extremely limited supply on toranoana/booth in the five minutes before it got snatched up
No.3422
>>3421Yeah it's really unreasonable. One thing western fandom is better at is the archival of fandom works. Obviously it's easier because the west favors fanfic over zines (many of which also operate on buy-during-production-or-probably-never-see-again rules), but I wish jp fujos could be free from the paranoia/shame that seems to birth the use of this disclaimer. Fandom history is largely women's history!
No.3424
>>3421I wouldn't be surprised if these doujinshika really see Japanese cons as just some pretext to meet fans of the same series or games and the doujinshi are just an elaborate pretext to have a booth and meet people far more easily than if they were just walking around and buying stuff. Besides that or the "don't want to have crazy stalkers" excuse I don't get it.
No.3426
>>3407That "warning" is put there due to Japan's strict copyright rules. Doujinshis operate in a very legally grey area and they're actually considered illegal, but companies look the other way as long as artists aren't making a profit with them because doujinshi circles are perfect breeding grounds for new mangakas they can pick and choose from and doujinshi is practically free advertisement for their properties as well. Nobody follows these terms in practice (as you can see kbooks and mandarake etc. are filled with resale doujinshi) but it's simply there to shield the author from legal ramifications.
No.3427
>>3421Don't they also get paranoid when creators say they don't like doujin? The Frieren author said he didn't want anyone making doujin for the series, and I saw a lot of artists delete their stuff in response.
No.3437
>>3434I'd go but be ready to commit to dropping it all and going home for your dad. You could just also ask your dad what he thinks about it and maybe go with a clearer conscience.
No.3440
https://xtrend.nikkei.com/atcl/contents/18/00960/00001/Like all fandom surveys I don't quite trust it beyond "rough numbers at a glance", but it's fun to talk about all the same. I was surprised to see Yu-Gi-Oh! that far into boy territory, but realized I was biased from all the 00s anime yaoi that seemed to be everywhere.
In this thread we briefly talked about how there are few new fujobaity works, and I'm wondering how the numbers of new fujoshi reflect that. JP fujos don't often list their age in their bios like westerners do, so it's really hard to eyeball the activity of any given gen.
No.3445
>>3440>JP fujos don't often list their age in their bios like westerners do, so it's really hard to eyeball the activity of any given gen.The artists I see more often than not seem like adults with stable, fulltime jobs because they bitch about work, especially in their private/NSFW twitter accounts for the few ones I follow. The few Japanese fujoshi I saw who seemed pretty young weren't artists, just girls posting the merchs and BL manga they bought, screenshots of their favorite gacha games and they mention high school or university from time to time. I'm biased obviously but it seems like Japanese nerds on twitter tend to be young adults or late teenagers for the youngest ones, meanwhile in English speaking fandoms on twitter you see shit like 13 years old kids telling you that you're problematic if you ship characters in general because they don't even know what that means. Japanese fujoshi stay vague and will just say something like 20+ or 30+ in their bios.
As for that survey, I wonder how much the results would change if you counted kids and teenagers, and not just adults. Some of these IPs would be way lower all of a sudden. I was also shocked to see Yu-gi-oh so far in the men side but it's about IPs in general and not the original manga and its anime adaptation so I'm sure most men who answered were these card playing autists.
>>3437My father would refuse but he always disagreed with me traveling alone in general anyway so that's not very telling. To him I'm not married so if I do anything alone for more than 24h I'm an unmarriageable whore
I wouldn't wish religious parents on my worse enemies. My youngest sister did plan a much longer trip behind everyone's back despite being inexperienced and not having as much money as me, and her English is pure shit so everyone yelled at her to not go, she still planned everything for this summer but with free cancelation for the plane trips and the hotels. I think I should still think about it for a bit longer. Sometimes I'm considering just purchasing doujinshi online but it's not as fun.
No.3618
>>3445Plot twist: my father doesn't give a fuck if I go anywhere, he just didn't want my youngest sister to travel alone because he's paranoid and think the yakuza will kidnap her as soon as she leaves the Narita airport. But I'm worried about Boeing now so I haven't booked any flight yet. All the planes that could take me to Tokyo from my city are Boeing planes, just like the times when I went there before.
No.3680
I might actually go to Japan for June/July because of the Comic City in late June, plane tickets are way cheaper than for August. I chose more or less the same dates last year and had no clue there was a con at the time. This time I'd also like to stay a few days in Kyoto instead of just one day and going back to Osaka so there's that too. My manager won't approve of these dates but fuck her, she made me lose nearly a whole week of PTO last year with her bs and now I'm still overworked so I'm only going to think of myself. My only issue now is Boeing but I can check the exact planes for these trips iirc so I'll be careful.
No.3755
>>3462Wasn't it basically confirmed that cassino was one of Sadamoto's assistants? Would explain why she could get manga Kawoshin so scarily on-model
No.3857
>>3680Did you travel by bus anywhere in the country while you were in Japan?
No.3875
>>3857No, I never took the bus. I plan on visiting the daibutsu in Ushiku and the only ways to get there are either by car/taxi or by bus rom the Ushiku train station so I will eventually try at least once though. I've seen a lot of people who recommend taking night buses from one city to another to save money because the shinkansen can be expensive, but I always took the train to save time instead of money.
No.3883
Trends at Comic City 31
https://twitter.com/anodoko/status/1785254703640801668Gegege No Kitaro is popular lately, followed by Genshin and Touken Ranbu
No.3884
>>3883It's so funny how popular Hazbin Hotel is, it looks so out of place compared to all the other series listed.
No.3886
>>3885>Undertale is still charting years later.Insane, wonder if Hazbin will have that longevity.
No.3887
>>3680Have you ever thought about connecting with other fujos and doing things together? While it seems like you might prefer going solo, having someone you can hang out with or just talk to even few times can make a difference in the grand scheme of things.
No.3888
>>3887Nta how do you find fellow fujos to draw/write together? Doesn’t help what my interests are mostly OC.
No.3889
>>3887I can't travel with friends this year, they're fujoshi so that could have been cool. I'll see if I can go to small collabs or events and meet people there but the last time I did that the other costumers in these cafes just started conversations to trade coasters and ask help to take pictures of them. Not being fluent in Japanese doesn't really help but I don't think that's impossible.
No.4265
I already posted in the doujinshi thread but my trip to Japan this summer was really fun and I went to June Bride Fes just like I said I would. And I can confirm that it was like 99.9% of women and I saw just two or three guys in there, dressed like offensive stereotypes of male otaku. I loved the experience a lot so I'm considering going to Japan next year or in 2026 in August depending on the other destinations that interest me and on my budget so I can go to Comiket, Comitia and Comic City Vega during the same time period. This year's summer Comiket happened recently so a lot of Japanese people tweeted about it, I did see a few tweets here and there about how there are way less women selling compared to before and how it's easier for them to just to any of the Comic City events just because it's better organized (no lottery system to get a table, it!s first come first serve for instance). So it's confirming whatvwe said in previous posts here. I'm already saving money for this right now, I really want to go to Comiket at least once. If I can actually go I'll report back. Same with Comitia but in terms of BL I don't know what to expect because only original doujinshi are allowed, no fandom stuff at all.
No.4766
>>4762>I wonder when fandom started using twitter to post fanfiction of all things. Generous: for better or worse Twitter is the "fandom" platform now. You get more engagement there and it's easier for readers to passively share the fic (retweeting or the algo puts it on their timelines through your comments/likes) than getting people to click on a Ao3 link you have to actively take the time to post. Ao3 comment sections are a ghost town unless the fic is SUPER popular.
Less generous: probably when they realized they could post ko-fi goals for early updates, or updates at all.
MHA was also my first brush with this and while I don't want to be mean a lot of those fics I've seen are just… not great. I felt like I got tricked into starting to read them because there is no way to filter, it's just a trust exercise until you realize the author can't deliver on a concept or that their prose isn't appealing. The format obfuscates my eyeball filters: what the summary promises versus word count, word/chapter ratio, gratuitous tags–the minutiae that controls read or keep scrolling.
The finished works often get uploaded to Ao3 by the author (sometimes I will see "from the Twitter thread" in Author's Notes of fics I liked, so they can't all be mid). For your own archival purposes, Thread Reader App (
https://threadreaderapp.com/) is helpful for getting the text on one document to copy/paste.
No.4768
>>4762Weird, I've never encountered that before in any of my fandoms. I've just seen writers post an image version of a snippet from the fic and then an AO3 link.
No.4769
>>4762>>4766I don't use twitter at all so this is wild to me. I guess I can see the ease of engagement but reading anything besides a drabble seems like it'd be hell.
No.4772
>>3886I don't think Undertale became a thing in Japan until very recently, for some reason they were years late to the trend so that's probably why.
>>3884Having it air on Amazon Prime with a Japanese dub did its magic. People always think that the Japanese aren't interested in western media but the main issue is always accessibility, mostly language and platform.
No.4806
>>4762I first saw this in danmei fandoms around 2018. They weren't full prose fics though, more like short concept summaries that steadily get more elaborate. Since they were impromptu and told like people discussing ideas they had they could be fun and get right to the appeal of the idea. I did drop a bunch where the author thought they'd make a second thread continuation that tried to go further like a full story in parts.
>>4766>>4768Regarding the posting of Ao3 links: tweets with an URL in won't turn up in tag/search results, so people will post a blurb and then use the first reply to share the link. Making people open a thread to find the fic link reduces the number of casual browsers.
No.4813
There was a chart about which character was most associated with "lactation" on a03 and it was Obi-Wan-Kenobi
No.4814
>>4813i’ve seen those statistics too and it was oddly validating to see the proof because i always felt like there was So Fucking Much but never bothered to do the math. even aside from obi-wan, there’s a wild amount of lactation in star wars fics. how is it so prevalent in that fandom specifically??
No.4817
>>4762I have never seen this. I didn't even know it was a thing until I read your post now. At best I see Japanese fans linking Privatter fics.
No.5521
Japan still adapts only BL manga that are SoL/school/office. I'm excluding Anime Festa porn shorts (Titan's Bride etc.) here.
Banana Fish was an exception to the rule. Where are the rest of Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai films? Where is my anime adaptation of this
https://myanimelist.net/manga/28220/Daisan_no_Teikoku ?
Or this
https://myanimelist.net/manga/8641/Jinjuu_Houretsuden ?
No.5524
>>5523>Isekai>dyingIt's going to go on for a good while longer, hell most shows aren't done yet.
No.5534
>>5523>arrived so lateMild Noble just happens to get shat on by everyone all of the time. God knows what possesses a publisher to commission multiple drama CDs, audiobooks, spinoffs, and stage plays before an anime. It's going to be interesting when the anime comes out, whether it'll be completely ignored by licensors like the novels are or end up another neglected show in the corner everyone assumes is shit and guys constantly ask "where the boobs".
No.5551
>>5550>Of course, things may be different in Japan. Yes, Mal scores are pretty bad to figure out anything tbh.
No.5552
>>5550It's probably just because they are already occupied animating that shit so they cannot start new series yet and most isekai go on forever.
I am really disappointed seeing the "aots" posts on nu/a/ these days because most will post nothing but isekai garbage. Not even the few isekai that have at least some positive sides like ReZero, no. The seasonal nameless shit series that you have to google to even know what it is.
It's either that or otome isekai everywhere. I swear I cannot prove this since times were different and different anime airing but I am sure that the /a/ from the 00s wasn't this fucking shit. I remember talking to tons of anons that loved Champloo, Gankutsuou, Saikano and others. Now it's just mass produced wish-fulfillment slop that even the "fans" themselves cannot remember a season later.
No.5553
>>5552I wish, /a/ is chock full retarded shounen threads filled with AI mutated coomer shit and nonstop esl screaming, I'm so tired of seeing terrible dbz art, I'd rather get forgettable level 99 villianess at this point kek.
No.5555
>>5553The shounen tards are the other big issue yeah. I hate new isekai and otome (always) as well most Jump shounen tbh and especially their fans. It's a problem thanks to the sheer mass of them and they are unaware that other anime even exist. This is how you get all these "why is every anime shit? I watched Kimetsu, Bleach, BHNA and JJK and all of them were bad" well maybe try things that aren't shounen? But they only watch what everybody else is already watching. Worse they will accuse me of being a CSM fag, OP fag or JJK fag if I disagree with them because they project their console war onto everything.
No.5558
>>3407>>5552>GankutsuouBased. But also, after checking out what's currently airing, it's just really, really cheap romance after cheap romance. It's like someone found a legitimate well of Fabio books and thought to stop at the very top of the pile.
Sucks because it means all I'm going to have is Thunderbolt Fantasy.
I am in a weird place where I like shipping, but hate it when a series actually provides the romance. That's not interesting it's pandering. I thoroughly enjoy shounenshit specifically because the focus generally isn't on pandering and you know any het scenes are editor mandated. I'd say 2014-2018 is where I had the most fun finding new fujo junk food because the series were generally open ended and let fans decide who to ship with who. Unlike Dandadan where, after reading the manga up to the current chapter, it's insultingly obvious any and all fujo bait is actually cheap bait. I'm picky with what I get attached to and right now it's looking like vidya is winning with accidental gold. (Elden Ring, Mouthwashing, Shin Megami Tensei/Metaphor, FF7R's no accident but throwing it in there anyway.)
No.5559
>>5558I'm liking some new stuff out, Orb getting missed out over is a mistake.
No.5560
>>5558Didn't mean to include that first quote my mistake
No.5561
>>5558Same here. Most writers suck ass at writing romance so I rather have a good comradeship, friendship or the obligatory villain with super devote underling that are written like good actual pairings because the author didn't intend to write them as such (or because he/she isn't involved enough to turn it to shit and has some distance to the couple).
That aside I need a story, action and some worldbuilding so romances aren't for me. What makes ships attractive to me are the roles of the characters. I want them to be something special, even if it's a wandering hobo. And a dangerous world makes you appreciate the pairing and root for them harder, since you know they could die any time and you know that their love or friendship is the only safety they have in this world. They depend on each other.
It's very different from a SoL romance where nothing happens and it's just too normal office workers being in love. It just doesn't attract me.
Btw I second
>>5559 you might give Orb a try because it's a non-romance sausage fest save for one non-sexualised girl and it has a massive Japanese fujo fanbase that ship an asshole monk with a fighter with negative self-esteem.
No.5563
>>5558>I am in a weird place where I like shipping, but hate it when a series actually provides the romance.Same. Very rarely does fiction provide satisfying romance and the kind that does is a book more often than not. All I want out of anime/manga/vidya is interesting chemistry and to not get cockblocked by a mid canon ship (I usually only get the first one (╥_╥)).
Vidya is also winning out as my most brainrotted about medium. I think it's a combo of being a mostly finished product, having a lot of "what if" scenarios, and how "real" fans will stay for the after party while FOTM(and largely anti) fans will leave for a new game fandom within a year.
>>3233>End of an era feeling.Going back to this now that JJK and MHA are done, from my perspective nothing has stepped up to fill the gap. I read Kagurabachi and like it well enough but it hasn't exploded and I don't think it will. I am looking forward to One Piece finally ending so more shonen bros get drained from the cyst that is modern anime fandom. Outside of HXH is there any big shonen left? The newer Bleach stuff doesn't even seem to be getting much traction and that used to be huge, same with Kenshin (although this one has more obvious reasons). We could just be in a lull but it feels like a new juggernaut anime fandom won't appear again for a long while.
No.5564
>>5562seconding/thirding the rec, i only checked it out because literally nothing this season caught my attention but it's great. all the fanart is also a plus.
>>5550someone more knowledgeable about market shit explained that isekai shit is extremely popular and profitable with chinese audiences which is why they keep getting funded+getting multiple seasons. with exceptions of a few series (like TenSura) most of them don't even do that well domestically but overseas licensing is profitable.
No.5565
>>5563>Outside of HXH is there any big shonen left?Chainsaw Man
Spy x Family
Fairy Tail continuation
Sousou no Frieren
Ao no Exorcist
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days
Owari no Seraph
D.Gray-man (why is this and HxH still ongoing?)
No.5566
>>5564Its not just isekai, but naroukei, webnovels that are free to read online. They're incredibly cheap and as safe as a bet as you can get since they just look at whatever has a decent fan base with the webnovel already. With authors being amateurs writing for free, they're probably much easier to take advantage of compared to manga and shounen and why so many isekai adaptions are usually pretty dishonest to the original material.
They can change what they like, and unlike with manga the complaints that come out with cheating out isn't an issue since not nearly as many would read through to look at what changed.
Isekai's biggest demographic are also wagies that are sick of their jobs so they're probably great as far as buying shit goes.
No.5567
>>5565For a fujo fan this is such a sorry list. Also, idk if it's just confirmation bias on my part or not, but it feels like shonen manga is amping up the het in recent years. Like in the past you had the characters get straight married in the end or it's the generic MC who has a crush on a girl but all his character development and interactions are more rich with the male cast. But nowadays it feels like series specifically revolving around heterosexual relationships as a cornerstone of the series are becoming more common.
No.5568
I wish I could get into mainstream shounen that are big among fujos but neither MHA no JJK, Naruto, HxH or anything else ever did it for me and I dropped all of them quickly. Think it's mainly kid MCs that put me off, same with Harry Potter (though I hate the very premise of that too). DBZ stared adults and had good antagonists so it's better for me and I enjoyed it back then, but it isn't gay shippy, I like Frieren too but same problem.
Think Dungeon Meshi and One Piece come closest but I fell out of OP ages ago for no particular reason and never managed to get into it again with so many chapters. Maybe the anime remake will give me the push I need. It sucks always being in microscopic fandoms all my life or a fandom where I am the only westerner drawing art for.
>>5567>but it feels like shonen manga is amping up the het in recent yearsIt's true. More and more shounen have female protags like SHY or m/f MCs like Undead Unluck, Dandadan and tons of other series I read the first chapter of before I gave up. Kagurabachi seems to be more of an exception than the rule now. Romance is also pushed harder, see DDD and such and Sakamoto Days as well AFAIK (didn't read). They noticed that girls are reading too and that otaku want waifus and MCs that win the girl so they force it into every series now and I hate it.
At least Naruto and other old ones had girls be the background characters or some separate fighters and the pairing up only happened suddenly at the very end. Now they ship the second the female characters enters and it drags along through out the series. I rarely ever like shounen MCs so I am not directly involved but I noticed that it fucks with the rest of the series since the writer will focus too much on the waifus and romance, at least as long as the writer is male.
No.5570
>>5565I'm sorry if this seems like I'm moving the goalpost but my mistake for not amending this to "big shonen with large libraries of doujin/fanart/fanfic". I won't deny the popularity of that list but so much of it is things that don't command fujoshi participation and therefore do not have the sort of fandom sprawl I was actually asking about (sorryyy!). CSM comes close but a lot of that was just frontloaded by anime-onlys in season 1 like
>>3239 was getting at.
>>5567FWIW MHA ended with
the MC and everybody else UNPAIRED after a timeskip, with the last panel being the male rival/childhood friend reaching his hand out for the MC, like it was from a fucking doujin. Real groundbreaking stuff as far as I'm concerned. But I understand what you mean because I feel that way too. It almost feels like mangaka now understand that they are incidentally writing some really gay shit and have a fujoshi proofreader to tell them what to change so it doesn't come off that way. I read Dandadan long before it got an anime and while I like it and think Okarun is really cute there is NO fujo sauce in that pot. Very strange times.
No.5571
>>5567Shounen romcoms have always existed though. Pic-related was a massive hit, for example.
>>5570Try Blue Lock?
No.5574
>>5571I'm not talking about shonen romcoms, its being pushed in shonen genres that historically do not have a romantic focus, like battle shonen and action series.
No.5575
>>5567>>5574Ngl I wonder how much of this is a reaction to the criticism that shounen treats female characters as extras and never give them anything to do.
No.5576
>>5564>extremely popular and profitable with chinese audiencesYou know what would be equally popular with Chinese audiences? BL and fujopandering shows, but they can't stream them on Chinese platforms, so they don't make them.
>>5566Mangaka already earn peanuts when they sell adaptation rights, so it shouldn't make any difference.
No.5577
>>5575Yeah I fear that's the case. Sadly they draw all the wrong conclusions from this. I am not even anti-het but can be please at least get shit like Dorohedoro then? That aside Dorohedoro had at least two gay ships regardless (with one of the characters being openly gay).
What annoys me is that they push the girls while simultaneously being incapable (or unwilling) to write them properly. So precious manga time is wasted on cardboard cut-outs that only exist to be the waifu or some sexualised tomboy.
No.5578
>>5576If a mangaka is making peanuts, then how much do you think a web novel author would make?
No.5579
>>5577Yeah, they're written just as poorly/coomery but now they have way more screen time so you can't even ignore them and enjoy the rest of the show.
No.5585
>>5576God Sarazanmai was kino
No.5586
>>5579Yeah the bad writing is even more blatant now since they're more relevant. And in many series it's only lolis or young teen girls which is especially annoying if the same series stars all kinds of men of different ages but apparently they all procreate thanks to homosexuality and mpreg since adult women don't exist lmao
No.5587
>>5578Reminds me of this semiautobiographical anime show about ln writers years back, there was a subplot about an isekai author getting hyped for an anime adaption and it ends up fucking his story up so bad that it gets trashed immediately, he tries to cope that he doesn't care before breaking down in tears and saying that if he didn't care he wouldn't have spent years writing it.
No.5588
>>5540I know, but that hasn't stopped nonas from posting stuff like Banana Fish and Yami no Matsuei in BL threads.
>>5544There is an author's statement that no one ship is canonized, yeah.
His Majesty is the clear winner though.>>5552>enter a board discussing seasonal anime>wonder why they aren't talking about series that are almost two decades old at any one momentHonestly I cannot stand the isekai general or the way people treat isekai outside of it, but let's not pretend that /a/ didn't always have a flood of threads that were just bottom of the barrel fanservice entertainment. We've had battle harems, we've had ecchi comedies. There's always going to be more of that than critically acclaimed shows in production (struggling to think of a better way to word that, but you know what I mean. Something with strong direction where the elements come together well). That's why when we list good shows from the past we're picking out five a year rather than entire seasons, it's just fortunate that there's been so many years of seasonal anime by now. Check the catalog for pre-00s and 00s anime threads, use neet catalog to highlight and pin threads on certain series you want to see. Filter the shit. Make threads saying what you want to say, because if you've got nothing then it may just be other people who like the same shows can't think of anything to say either and need a starting point.
>>5561>What makes ships attractive to me are the roles of the characters. I want them to be something special, even if it's a wandering hobo. And a dangerous world makes you appreciate the pairing and root for them harder, since you know they could die any time and you know that their love or friendship is the only safety they have in this world. They depend on each other.I do read plenty of short BL romances but I agree with all this so wholeheartedly. It part of why people get so nostalgic for 00s adventure/action shoujo trends. Which reminds me, I still haven't tried Haigakura yet despite the Saiyuki fandom pointing it out before it aired - shit just got a major delay due to production issues though. Once again the industry is fucking up niche shows that appeal to female audiences.
>>5566They also don't have to wait for DVD/bluray sales to make their profits, people buy webnovel bundles and books while the show is airing and they still remember it exists. It helps that in Japan they have a much more convenient after market for swapping in books you don't want any more, so people aren't as concerned about the cost and storage of random new throwaway fantasies.
No.5614
I saw nonnas mentioning this in another thread but it's more on-topic here since it's about fandom hijinks (and less related to BL works themselves, so it's not exactly for the "things you hate in BL" thread either):
I'm a bit sad with how many fans are into one character only and the gay shipping is just an afterthought to see him getting fucked. This isn't FC related btw., it's something that plagues the fan spaces of the fandoms I am in.
I don't mean fujos that casually draw gang rape or mob art or write such fics (I enjoy these) I mean fans that are legit not interested in ANY of the pairings a series or game can provide or any character save for the guy they want to see uke'ing.
I would say it's an in-between thing between husbando/yume culture and fujoism. There is only one character of interest (like a husbando) but unlike yumes there is usually no self-inserting and the guy is seen as the uke so it's yaoi focused.
I recently discovered a new fan space for a series I love and was hyped. Until I joined and realised that it was yet again just a "We're obsessed with [name] and want to sexualise him"-group. We already tons of them, they are more popular than actual shipping spaces. The users there aren't exactly against shipping or anything but nobody cares about the partner so you barely get any reactions if you talk about him or link or draw art of him. It's always just a fanclub about that one dude and everybody fantasizes about how he gets dicked by a random character or the fans themselves.
No.5615
>>5588>Check the catalog for pre-00s and 00s anime threads, use neet catalog to highlight and pin threads on certain series you want to see. Filter the shit. Make threads saying what you want to say, because if you've got nothing then it may just be other people who like the same shows can't think of anything to say either and need a starting point.NTA but I also abandoned /a/ (despite also being a seasoned neet catalog user) because even if you find threads you are interested in, you are still trapped in there with the average modern /a/ poster at a board speed that is cumbersome to keep pruning. I was happy to learn that Comiket fujos are branching off into their own meets because this reflects my experience with fandom in general–it's really not worth it to mingle with non-fujos when you want to discuss a work at length.
Even with fujochan's very small sample size (if I had to guess, 50 regular posters since the last wipe?) it's very clearly not an echo chamber here, or whatever you get accused of being when you say shit like "I only want to talk about this with [demographic]". I wish it were a little busier but I look at every post, even if it's a fandom IDGAF about. I know a fujo posted so I want to see it.
>>5575I'm annoyed nothing really followed Soul Eater in the "main girl and boy do have interesting chemistry but it stays platonic" department because that is what I consider the proper solution for shonen girls. Straightbaiting (lol).
No.5616
>>5588>enter a board discussing seasonal anime>wonder why they aren't talking about series that are almost two decades old at any one momentNo I was just talking about AOTS threads. Anime of the season. I mean threads where anons list their favorite current anime, not old stuff. In the past I agreed with so many anons posting in such threads. There were always some that listed the moe show of the season or some battle harem, but even they usually had good second and third ranked series. Now you see two reasonable posts and everybody else lists 20 isekai they're watching and they ignore every other genre.
>Which reminds me, I still haven't tried Haigakura yetOther nonna but I forgot about this. I had it on my list but then I got busy with drawing and other anime. Sad to hear that though. I guess I will wait till they air the rest before I pick it up. Think I have heard it's delayed indefinitely for now which would be extreme.
No.5617
>>5615>it's really not worth it to mingle with non-fujos when you want to discuss a work at lengthWe got too many casuals. In the 00s you could be sure that every anime fan was at least somewhat dedicated and a nerd ready to delve into all kinds of series. It was perfectly normal in the early 00s to talk to any random online anime fan that wasn't a naruto sperg and learn that they have watched the same series as you. Even the anime fanboys I knew watched Loveless back then or Tutu. You grabbed what you got and anime was this super mysterious, new form of media that blew our minds so we were eager watching most of them.
Now everybody has access to anime and internet so everything got diluted. The average modern anime fan hasn't watched Trigun, Haruhi or Code Geass and has no interest doing so. They got into isekai, not anime as a whole. Or they're romcom fans, not anime fans. They have so many romcoms, isekai or tiktok approved shows to watch thanks to the anime flood that they don't even have time to branch out. So you share general anime boards with completely different types of fans, more than ever before. And now we also get the gacha fags and vtube tards.
I bet that specific anime boards like "90s anime board", "OVA board" or "dark anime board" would be way more interesting even if they weren't explicitly fujo since the content and fandom is different. That aside I also believe that fujos are more likely to watch serious shit and obscure anime. That's my impression at least.
No.5620
>>5617>We got too many casuals.That's true. I guess it would be more appropriate to say that "fujoshi" implies "not a casual" whereas other anime fans get a sniff test.
>And now we also get the gacha fags and vtube tards.Desperately wish there was a way to close this Pandora's box. They are a blight upon every tangent community. I remember making this post
>>3212 nearly a year ago and I still feel the same way about it all being too fleeting for my boomer brain.
No.5621
>>5614>not interested in ANY of the pairings a series or game can provide or any character save for the guy they want to see uke'ingSometimes the guy you think is hot and want to ship really does have no options you like. When this happens, I'll usually look at a variety of pairings to see if something clicks, and I'll enjoy the mob art too, but my interest won't be able to sustain itself without a ship, so I'll move on quickly and wish the guy was in a better show, leaving an unfulfilled void in my heart. (And he'll probably end up inspiring an OC)
Crossover ships can save the day sometimes but they're always niche unless it's something like Akagi/Kaiji.
No.5622
>>5621That's fair and I already experienced this too. But I would categorize this differently. I can't imagine that it's the case in the fandoms I am from since at least one is super gay and has a shitton of male characters interacting with said character. The canon alone already implies potential three ships for him, not counting the rest that you could imagine if you add some own interpretation. I feel like sometimes such people just exist and I wouldn't wonder if they did the same in the other fandoms they are in
No.5623
>>5614Ngl I'm the type that just enjoys variety, so rather than liking one ship or one guy bottoming I'll look at everything and see how it could fit the characters in one way or another.
Like what situation would this happen? Or I feel like they're be more tsun with this guy, more submissive with this one, a top with another.
I guess I'd consider myself a bit of a fatass turtle as far as fujos go kek, I eat and enjoy whatever.
No.5624
>>5623I do that too though I have a main ship that is "canon" to me lol
There is the main ship that I consider the "true route" (like in a VN) and that I think up a ton of headcanons for and develop and write/draw for. But besides that I often enjoy shipping both characters with a few different dudes on the side, for the different dynamics.
Like my current brainrot ship is super vanilla despite consisting of two dudes involved in a war. I fucking love them but due to their dynamic it's impossible to imagine anything extreme, abusive or very kinky with them without making them ooc, so I use other dudes from that series to fill that hole whenever I feel the need to put one or both of them into a different position.
No.5625
I am happy that fujos are doing their own events or joining smaller scale cons instead of latching onto comiket. It's just gacha shit at this point and it's way more fun to me to have multiple doujinshi events per year instead of waiting for comiket and missing stuff that gets buried by the masses of mainsteam stuff.
There is a con in January it seems were artists are releasing at least four doujinshi I'm looking toward to for now and the number might increase.
No.5626
>>5625>There is a con in January it seems were artists are releasing at least four doujinshi I'm looking toward to for now and the number might increase.Is it an akaboo event? Will you go there or wakt for artist to sell their doujinshi online once the event is over? There are so many of them all over Japan in just one year it's no wonder fujoshi and female otaku in general would rather go there. I wish I knew how comiket is but plane tickets to Japan are insanely expensive around obon so if I ever have the opportunity to go it would be during winter. But when I went to an akaboo event last year I really felt in my element so I'd rather prioritize that. I'm going back next summer and I'm really looking forward to this, especially because buying doujinshi online seems impossible or at least a pain in the ass with visa restrictions and proxies.
No.5628
>>5625About doujin event, tora has an updated list
>https://ec.toranoana.jp/joshi_r/ec/cot/pages/all/event/list/Aside Comiket (late december), there is Dozen Rose Fes (December 1st, akaboo)
>https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca195.htmland COMIC CITY 東京151 (December 15th, akaboo)
>https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca196.html No.5630
>>5628Holy shit that's useful I didn't know that. Thank you.
I see a lot of fans from my fandom announcing doujins for that 29/01/25 event. They're not on tora yet but will probably appear sooner or later since most are selling them there.
No.5651
>>5630what kind of fandom? because i can't find any event at that date.
anyway there is also this site that can be used to check out doujinshi events
>https://shimeken.com/events No.5653
>>5651Sorry I am retarded and misremembered. It's 01/26, not 29. TOKYO FES.
https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca198.html No.5692
>>5555I always wonder why western anime fans never make fandoms for anything that isn't shounen anime anymore. People only want to draw and write for whatever's popular, so that limits the amount of series that gets popular with fujos outside of Japan.
No.5694
>>5692Yeah I hate it. I can't get into the mainstream series so I am always left out.
>People only want to draw and write for whatever's popularI blame the monetizing and the obsession with clout. Nobody care about making art for fun only anymore, it's just about jumping the hype train. It's ridiculous how the FOTM always gets like 60k likes on twitter and literally everything else, no matter how good or bad, what genre or whatever, gets maybe a few thousands at best. And usually only if said pic involves the MC, since it's the only damn character non-fans and casuals recognize or remember.
50% of the reason for why I draw in the first place is to spread love for my ship/favs in the hope that others see the art and get into the series or game because of this, because that's what I often do. The other 50% are a mix between fun and the urge to feed myself and the other starving fans. If a series or pairing is insanely popular I actually get LESS interested drawing them.
No.5871
I dislike how socmedia made some artists focus so much on retweets and who is and who isn't RTing that they annoy the shit out of me. In most cases they're whining when they feel like they're not getting enough likes. If they seemed cool before I'll be nice at first and explain how lack of RTs can have many reasons (tbh it's usually that their art is simply not very appealing) and might even retweet one of their works but if it happens a second time I'll ignore it.
There are multiple reasons for why your shit isn't getting RTs. It can simply be 1.) a lack of luck and the big users overlook your artwork, 2.) you draw a niche character or ship that most don't care about. Or, 3.), your art sucks.
I don't want to be mean, but I am saying this as an artist myself. If it's 1.) you can't do shit about it and should just let it be, it's not the others' fault. If it's 2.) then you have to fucking choose whether likes are more important to you than your ship. I have pics with 1k likes and others with less than 50 because I drew dudes nobody but me cares about.
And if it's 3. and you really, really want RTs then you should work for that. I notice that none of these artists ever try to improve and get out of their comfort zone. I try to new things everytime I draw a proper artwork. When I started to upload and make my art special in 2007 I improved more in a single year than the ten years before that when I was just sketching shit for myself and never bothered with poses or angles since I just did it out of boredom.
I hate how many people make their whole well-being dependent on shitty pixel numbers these days but at the same time refuse to work for it if they care so much. Guilt-tripping others into RTing things won't win their appreciation, all they get are numbers and probably annoyed fans that eventually mute them if they keep crying.
No.5873
>>5871>others with less than 50 because I drew dudes nobody but me cares about.No, that means you and 50 more people care enough about these characters to draw them and then look for art of them. If I were in a con or event irl and several dozens of people interacted with me in a positive way just because we like the same niche story or character I'd be happy about it, but the people posting their art just to chase likes forget that not everything is about numbers.
No.5909
>>5873Yeah sure I exaggerated with the statement. I just wanted to make clear that relatively low numbers mean shit and that people shouldn't make their enjoyment of creating things depending on how it's doing on twitter compared to other art themselves or others have made.
If anything the main reason for why I am happy if my shit is getting spread isn't attention but the fact that I am successfully helping to shill the characters I love, because seeing fanart of them influences the people. I just want many to notice the characters, understand the chemistry and be infected by the love for them. I am also happy seeing others' art for them doing numbers.
And yeah, people underestimate numbers thanks to socmedia. 50 likes mean that 50 people have looked at it for a longer while and not only liked it but liked it enough to interact by leaving a "like" note. I think it's wrong disregarding "likes" because they think that RTs were so much better. If followers that like their art see that they seethe about them they will stop to interact completely, it's dumb.
Enjoy what you get and if you see artists who are better than you you should be happy that they exist since they make pretty art of the shit you love and they're a great inspiration for improvement too.
No.5921
Being into newer fandoms can be a pain for how quickly everybody moves on these days.
I feel like almost every fandom that isn't big enough to become mainstream is doomed and most of its fans will move on like two months after the anime adaption ends and barely even return if there is a second season. I have seen some artists getting into a fandom 4-5 months ago, moving over to Mouthwashing a month ago and now they already dropped that too to draw for Kimetsu, Arcane or respectively JJK. I am genuinely curious to see if the mass will dilute and join multiple smaller fandoms now that JJK, Kimetsu, BHNA, SNK and other juggernauts have ended. None of the other WSJ manga seem to get the same attention save for OP which is another old series.
No.5924
>>5921It's just a matter of medium tbh. Anime is the quickest to be dropped after having a fotm moment, then videogame > manga > and then novels.
No.5939
>>5921>dropped that too to draw for KimetsuPeople are still getting into Kimetsu? I thought most people moved onto JJK, and now JJK has ended. Is it Netflix-onlies who wait for the new seasons to be drip-fed?
I'm still into Kimetsu myself but the fandom has seemed to me pretty dead when a new season isn't airing.
No.5942
>>5939I think Kimetsu is even the best example to illustrate the issue anons talked about. Rarely have I ever seen such an insane, massive hype only for it to die down so fucking fast basically the second the manga has ended. There is only a slight increase of popularity when a new season is airing again but it seems nothing like the hype before, around the time when the first movie was airing in the cinemas. Compare that to the loyalty of Naruto fujos or other older fandoms. It's crazy how quickly everybody moves on these days. Unless someone lived in some backwater town you already had access to piracy sites with all kinds of anime in the early 00s when Naruto was airing on tv. So I don't buy that it's about variety and people jumping ships because there are new series to watch.
No.5945
>>5942>die down so fucking fast basically the second the manga has ended. This was so weird to see. On the flip side when MHA ended I saw a lot of posts that were like "thank god now people can get to writing fanfiction with the context of a complete work", which is ALWAYS how I feel when something I like finishes.
No.5946
>>5945Same nonnna, I can't stand reading/writing fanfics while series are ongoing since I'm so canon-compliant. Having them finally conclude is the best feeling knowing I have all the shipping breadcrumbs finally.
No.5947
>>5946I'm the opposite. As soon as something I'm into has closed, my interest in making fanworks usually dies out. I still might look at other people's works, but my own creative period will generally end. I definitely felt something 'click' inside me as soon as I heard the Gintama manga was over even though I was only following the anime. But sometimes doing a rewatch or reread can stir fannish feelings back up, or if the canon gets new material.
But I understand the feelings of wanting the canon to be closed so you don't have to worry about if the ending sucks or something happening to your ship. A shitty ending can also sour my feelings on the canon and my ships by extension.
No.5952
>>5947Is your creativity spurred by speculation then? Are you hoping to outpace the source material and create your own plausible canon, or is it just hard to be invested without new material being created?
No.5953
>>5952>Is your creativity spurred by speculation thenPartially yes I think, in the sense that when the story is still open-ended, I don't know what lies ahead for the characters and that keeps me invested. I don't know when my favorite characters could pop up again, so it's something to look forward to. So if the canon is closed but I haven't made it to the end yet, it's the same as an ongoing canon. I still haven't watched the final Gintama movie, and it's also why I chose to never read the Kimetsu manga even though I've been spoiled on just about every damn plot point by now…
Open ended franchises can keep my investment because they keep adding new entries. Pretty sure this is why so many fujos end up trapped in gacha hell…
No.5956
>>5946Yeah I can relate to this to an extent. It has become kinda tricky for me with my MMO ship and I've seen others have this issue too. Some characters will remain static cause they're not main story relevant or they're essentially retired from the main story but if you ship with a relevant character, long as the game is still ongoing you may wonder if any future characterisation may influence the ship.
No.5960
>>5956>long as the game is still ongoing you may wonder if any future characterisation may influence the shipThis problem is causing me a lot of stress right now. My ship were one-note side characters who no one expected to reappear, 10 years later they got hit by a tragedy in a new entry. On the one hand it's been great for new fanworks but waiting to see if they resolve their plot in the upcoming sequel and whether they'll totally fuck it is making me worry too much. I sincerely hope they go back to never appearing again after this but they're very popular with fujos so TPTB might feel the need to keep shilling them from now on.
No.5981
>>5956The promise (THREAT) of more material with characters you are writing about is really annoying to live with. I also had MMO characters I used to really like in a ship I also really liked, but now I just hate what they've done to both of them so much that seeing them makes me a little sad lol.
No.5982
>>5981Yes! The worry that something new will be revealed about their characters or something significant happens that changes them forever, especially when you're in the middle of making a fanwork… It's hard to deal with because at best your fic idea could become implausible and at worst you could lose all interest in the ship and canon.
No.6166
>>5871>In most cases they're whining when they feel like they're not getting enough likes.The joke's on them. Most of that is botted, just like any subreddit member count.
No.6226
>>5981I don't play MMO but this is every fujos nightmare and I hate that it accompanies me for almost every series I enjoy for as long as it lasts. There is a ship that is just fucking perfect in every way, but their (first) arc ends and they don't appear anymore. So you are in this stupid limbo of anxiety in which you desire them to come back because you love them and crave new material to work with and are also afraid that the hype might die down and see other fans moving on on the one hand and the great fear of having them return and the ship getting denied, fucked up, whatever.
Sadly the latter almost always happens. Probably because most ships are just coincidentally written like a ship or because the writer did it just for fun like having gay freaks or because two weird side characters that behave all gay are funny but once they return they want to do something else with them and since they never really considered them to be in love (or did but don't care about the pairing itself) they tear them apart for plot reasons or only get them back to kill one or both of them. ARGH. The monkey paw curling, it happens every time.