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Thread for meta-commentary on trends in the fujoshphere, including but not limited to:
>The recent dearth of fujo-friendly IPs and the overall decline of female-targeted series>Observations and trends about fujo fan activities>Differences in fan culture between Japanese fujos, Korean/Chinese fujos, Western fujos and the rest of the world>Predictions or theories about the BL industryThis is not a thread for pro/anti discourse (
>>2521) or complaining about the genderspecial infestation (
>>541) - threads for those topics already exist.
I was looking at the stats for Comiket 103 and I couldn't help but notice a lack of fujo presence. Picrel is a list of the genre codes and the number of registered circles under them. The genre code is a category that each circle choose upon registration; they can be dedicated to a single franchise (eg 234 Touhou, 331 Kantai Collection, 335 Uma Musume, 222 VTubers) or encompass an entire category (eg 315 Romance, Social games for women which is where games like Ensemble Stars and Twisted Wonderland would fall). Some of them like 600 Reviews/Information or 611 Railways/Travel aren't related to manga/anime at all.
It's obvious that Blue Archive and VTubers swept this Comiket, with mainstays like Kantai Collection, Uma Musume, Idolmaster and Type-Moon ranking high. In other words, all franchises for men. On the other hand, the fujo mainstays like Tiger and Bunny and Touken Ranbu look puny in comparison. Yuri on Ice is a certified fujo classic but it lost its custom genre code last Comiket.
In comparison, the other picrel is a ranking of the most popular series from C89 which was winter 2015. The red bars are female-dominated genres, the blue are male and purple are unisex. From top to bottom: 1) KanColle 2) Touken Ranbu 3) Touhou 4) Idolmaster 5) Haikyuu 6) Kuroko no Basuke 7) Yowamushi Pedal 8) Love Live 9) Tiger and Bunny 10) Attack on Titan 11) Vocaloid 12) Fate series 13) Hetalia 14) Free 15) Blood Blockade Battlefront 16) Splatoon. This was the heyday of Touken Ranbu - it gave juggernauts like Touhou and IM#S a run for their money - and outside obligatory mainstays like KanColle and Idolmaster, fujo favorites dominated the charts.
What happened between 2015 and now? The trend of women (and by extension fujoshi) disappearing from Comiket hasn't gone unnoticed. But it's not as if women are making less doujin, it's that women are flocking to non-Comiket conventions - namely those hosted by the agency AkaBooBoo like Super Comic City. On the other hand, I feel like there is a slump in fujo activity because it's been a while since we've had a fleet of fujo powerhouses trending at the same time (compared to 2015). The mid-2010s wasa good time to be a fujoshi.
No.5567
>>5565For a fujo fan this is such a sorry list. Also, idk if it's just confirmation bias on my part or not, but it feels like shonen manga is amping up the het in recent years. Like in the past you had the characters get straight married in the end or it's the generic MC who has a crush on a girl but all his character development and interactions are more rich with the male cast. But nowadays it feels like series specifically revolving around heterosexual relationships as a cornerstone of the series are becoming more common.
No.5568
I wish I could get into mainstream shounen that are big among fujos but neither MHA no JJK, Naruto, HxH or anything else ever did it for me and I dropped all of them quickly. Think it's mainly kid MCs that put me off, same with Harry Potter (though I hate the very premise of that too). DBZ stared adults and had good antagonists so it's better for me and I enjoyed it back then, but it isn't gay shippy, I like Frieren too but same problem.
Think Dungeon Meshi and One Piece come closest but I fell out of OP ages ago for no particular reason and never managed to get into it again with so many chapters. Maybe the anime remake will give me the push I need. It sucks always being in microscopic fandoms all my life or a fandom where I am the only westerner drawing art for.
>>5567>but it feels like shonen manga is amping up the het in recent yearsIt's true. More and more shounen have female protags like SHY or m/f MCs like Undead Unluck, Dandadan and tons of other series I read the first chapter of before I gave up. Kagurabachi seems to be more of an exception than the rule now. Romance is also pushed harder, see DDD and such and Sakamoto Days as well AFAIK (didn't read). They noticed that girls are reading too and that otaku want waifus and MCs that win the girl so they force it into every series now and I hate it.
At least Naruto and other old ones had girls be the background characters or some separate fighters and the pairing up only happened suddenly at the very end. Now they ship the second the female characters enters and it drags along through out the series. I rarely ever like shounen MCs so I am not directly involved but I noticed that it fucks with the rest of the series since the writer will focus too much on the waifus and romance, at least as long as the writer is male.
No.5570
>>5565I'm sorry if this seems like I'm moving the goalpost but my mistake for not amending this to "big shonen with large libraries of doujin/fanart/fanfic". I won't deny the popularity of that list but so much of it is things that don't command fujoshi participation and therefore do not have the sort of fandom sprawl I was actually asking about (sorryyy!). CSM comes close but a lot of that was just frontloaded by anime-onlys in season 1 like
>>3239 was getting at.
>>5567FWIW MHA ended with
the MC and everybody else UNPAIRED after a timeskip, with the last panel being the male rival/childhood friend reaching his hand out for the MC, like it was from a fucking doujin. Real groundbreaking stuff as far as I'm concerned. But I understand what you mean because I feel that way too. It almost feels like mangaka now understand that they are incidentally writing some really gay shit and have a fujoshi proofreader to tell them what to change so it doesn't come off that way. I read Dandadan long before it got an anime and while I like it and think Okarun is really cute there is NO fujo sauce in that pot. Very strange times.
No.5571
>>5567Shounen romcoms have always existed though. Pic-related was a massive hit, for example.
>>5570Try Blue Lock?
No.5574
>>5571I'm not talking about shonen romcoms, its being pushed in shonen genres that historically do not have a romantic focus, like battle shonen and action series.
No.5575
>>5567>>5574Ngl I wonder how much of this is a reaction to the criticism that shounen treats female characters as extras and never give them anything to do.
No.5576
>>5564>extremely popular and profitable with chinese audiencesYou know what would be equally popular with Chinese audiences? BL and fujopandering shows, but they can't stream them on Chinese platforms, so they don't make them.
>>5566Mangaka already earn peanuts when they sell adaptation rights, so it shouldn't make any difference.
No.5577
>>5575Yeah I fear that's the case. Sadly they draw all the wrong conclusions from this. I am not even anti-het but can be please at least get shit like Dorohedoro then? That aside Dorohedoro had at least two gay ships regardless (with one of the characters being openly gay).
What annoys me is that they push the girls while simultaneously being incapable (or unwilling) to write them properly. So precious manga time is wasted on cardboard cut-outs that only exist to be the waifu or some sexualised tomboy.
No.5578
>>5576If a mangaka is making peanuts, then how much do you think a web novel author would make?
No.5579
>>5577Yeah, they're written just as poorly/coomery but now they have way more screen time so you can't even ignore them and enjoy the rest of the show.
No.5585
>>5576God Sarazanmai was kino
No.5586
>>5579Yeah the bad writing is even more blatant now since they're more relevant. And in many series it's only lolis or young teen girls which is especially annoying if the same series stars all kinds of men of different ages but apparently they all procreate thanks to homosexuality and mpreg since adult women don't exist lmao
No.5587
>>5578Reminds me of this semiautobiographical anime show about ln writers years back, there was a subplot about an isekai author getting hyped for an anime adaption and it ends up fucking his story up so bad that it gets trashed immediately, he tries to cope that he doesn't care before breaking down in tears and saying that if he didn't care he wouldn't have spent years writing it.
No.5588
>>5540I know, but that hasn't stopped nonas from posting stuff like Banana Fish and Yami no Matsuei in BL threads.
>>5544There is an author's statement that no one ship is canonized, yeah.
His Majesty is the clear winner though.>>5552>enter a board discussing seasonal anime>wonder why they aren't talking about series that are almost two decades old at any one momentHonestly I cannot stand the isekai general or the way people treat isekai outside of it, but let's not pretend that /a/ didn't always have a flood of threads that were just bottom of the barrel fanservice entertainment. We've had battle harems, we've had ecchi comedies. There's always going to be more of that than critically acclaimed shows in production (struggling to think of a better way to word that, but you know what I mean. Something with strong direction where the elements come together well). That's why when we list good shows from the past we're picking out five a year rather than entire seasons, it's just fortunate that there's been so many years of seasonal anime by now. Check the catalog for pre-00s and 00s anime threads, use neet catalog to highlight and pin threads on certain series you want to see. Filter the shit. Make threads saying what you want to say, because if you've got nothing then it may just be other people who like the same shows can't think of anything to say either and need a starting point.
>>5561>What makes ships attractive to me are the roles of the characters. I want them to be something special, even if it's a wandering hobo. And a dangerous world makes you appreciate the pairing and root for them harder, since you know they could die any time and you know that their love or friendship is the only safety they have in this world. They depend on each other.I do read plenty of short BL romances but I agree with all this so wholeheartedly. It part of why people get so nostalgic for 00s adventure/action shoujo trends. Which reminds me, I still haven't tried Haigakura yet despite the Saiyuki fandom pointing it out before it aired - shit just got a major delay due to production issues though. Once again the industry is fucking up niche shows that appeal to female audiences.
>>5566They also don't have to wait for DVD/bluray sales to make their profits, people buy webnovel bundles and books while the show is airing and they still remember it exists. It helps that in Japan they have a much more convenient after market for swapping in books you don't want any more, so people aren't as concerned about the cost and storage of random new throwaway fantasies.
No.5614
I saw nonnas mentioning this in another thread but it's more on-topic here since it's about fandom hijinks (and less related to BL works themselves, so it's not exactly for the "things you hate in BL" thread either):
I'm a bit sad with how many fans are into one character only and the gay shipping is just an afterthought to see him getting fucked. This isn't FC related btw., it's something that plagues the fan spaces of the fandoms I am in.
I don't mean fujos that casually draw gang rape or mob art or write such fics (I enjoy these) I mean fans that are legit not interested in ANY of the pairings a series or game can provide or any character save for the guy they want to see uke'ing.
I would say it's an in-between thing between husbando/yume culture and fujoism. There is only one character of interest (like a husbando) but unlike yumes there is usually no self-inserting and the guy is seen as the uke so it's yaoi focused.
I recently discovered a new fan space for a series I love and was hyped. Until I joined and realised that it was yet again just a "We're obsessed with [name] and want to sexualise him"-group. We already tons of them, they are more popular than actual shipping spaces. The users there aren't exactly against shipping or anything but nobody cares about the partner so you barely get any reactions if you talk about him or link or draw art of him. It's always just a fanclub about that one dude and everybody fantasizes about how he gets dicked by a random character or the fans themselves.
No.5615
>>5588>Check the catalog for pre-00s and 00s anime threads, use neet catalog to highlight and pin threads on certain series you want to see. Filter the shit. Make threads saying what you want to say, because if you've got nothing then it may just be other people who like the same shows can't think of anything to say either and need a starting point.NTA but I also abandoned /a/ (despite also being a seasoned neet catalog user) because even if you find threads you are interested in, you are still trapped in there with the average modern /a/ poster at a board speed that is cumbersome to keep pruning. I was happy to learn that Comiket fujos are branching off into their own meets because this reflects my experience with fandom in general–it's really not worth it to mingle with non-fujos when you want to discuss a work at length.
Even with fujochan's very small sample size (if I had to guess, 50 regular posters since the last wipe?) it's very clearly not an echo chamber here, or whatever you get accused of being when you say shit like "I only want to talk about this with [demographic]". I wish it were a little busier but I look at every post, even if it's a fandom IDGAF about. I know a fujo posted so I want to see it.
>>5575I'm annoyed nothing really followed Soul Eater in the "main girl and boy do have interesting chemistry but it stays platonic" department because that is what I consider the proper solution for shonen girls. Straightbaiting (lol).
No.5616
>>5588>enter a board discussing seasonal anime>wonder why they aren't talking about series that are almost two decades old at any one momentNo I was just talking about AOTS threads. Anime of the season. I mean threads where anons list their favorite current anime, not old stuff. In the past I agreed with so many anons posting in such threads. There were always some that listed the moe show of the season or some battle harem, but even they usually had good second and third ranked series. Now you see two reasonable posts and everybody else lists 20 isekai they're watching and they ignore every other genre.
>Which reminds me, I still haven't tried Haigakura yetOther nonna but I forgot about this. I had it on my list but then I got busy with drawing and other anime. Sad to hear that though. I guess I will wait till they air the rest before I pick it up. Think I have heard it's delayed indefinitely for now which would be extreme.
No.5617
>>5615>it's really not worth it to mingle with non-fujos when you want to discuss a work at lengthWe got too many casuals. In the 00s you could be sure that every anime fan was at least somewhat dedicated and a nerd ready to delve into all kinds of series. It was perfectly normal in the early 00s to talk to any random online anime fan that wasn't a naruto sperg and learn that they have watched the same series as you. Even the anime fanboys I knew watched Loveless back then or Tutu. You grabbed what you got and anime was this super mysterious, new form of media that blew our minds so we were eager watching most of them.
Now everybody has access to anime and internet so everything got diluted. The average modern anime fan hasn't watched Trigun, Haruhi or Code Geass and has no interest doing so. They got into isekai, not anime as a whole. Or they're romcom fans, not anime fans. They have so many romcoms, isekai or tiktok approved shows to watch thanks to the anime flood that they don't even have time to branch out. So you share general anime boards with completely different types of fans, more than ever before. And now we also get the gacha fags and vtube tards.
I bet that specific anime boards like "90s anime board", "OVA board" or "dark anime board" would be way more interesting even if they weren't explicitly fujo since the content and fandom is different. That aside I also believe that fujos are more likely to watch serious shit and obscure anime. That's my impression at least.
No.5620
>>5617>We got too many casuals.That's true. I guess it would be more appropriate to say that "fujoshi" implies "not a casual" whereas other anime fans get a sniff test.
>And now we also get the gacha fags and vtube tards.Desperately wish there was a way to close this Pandora's box. They are a blight upon every tangent community. I remember making this post
>>3212 nearly a year ago and I still feel the same way about it all being too fleeting for my boomer brain.
No.5621
>>5614>not interested in ANY of the pairings a series or game can provide or any character save for the guy they want to see uke'ingSometimes the guy you think is hot and want to ship really does have no options you like. When this happens, I'll usually look at a variety of pairings to see if something clicks, and I'll enjoy the mob art too, but my interest won't be able to sustain itself without a ship, so I'll move on quickly and wish the guy was in a better show, leaving an unfulfilled void in my heart. (And he'll probably end up inspiring an OC)
Crossover ships can save the day sometimes but they're always niche unless it's something like Akagi/Kaiji.
No.5622
>>5621That's fair and I already experienced this too. But I would categorize this differently. I can't imagine that it's the case in the fandoms I am from since at least one is super gay and has a shitton of male characters interacting with said character. The canon alone already implies potential three ships for him, not counting the rest that you could imagine if you add some own interpretation. I feel like sometimes such people just exist and I wouldn't wonder if they did the same in the other fandoms they are in
No.5623
>>5614Ngl I'm the type that just enjoys variety, so rather than liking one ship or one guy bottoming I'll look at everything and see how it could fit the characters in one way or another.
Like what situation would this happen? Or I feel like they're be more tsun with this guy, more submissive with this one, a top with another.
I guess I'd consider myself a bit of a fatass turtle as far as fujos go kek, I eat and enjoy whatever.
No.5624
>>5623I do that too though I have a main ship that is "canon" to me lol
There is the main ship that I consider the "true route" (like in a VN) and that I think up a ton of headcanons for and develop and write/draw for. But besides that I often enjoy shipping both characters with a few different dudes on the side, for the different dynamics.
Like my current brainrot ship is super vanilla despite consisting of two dudes involved in a war. I fucking love them but due to their dynamic it's impossible to imagine anything extreme, abusive or very kinky with them without making them ooc, so I use other dudes from that series to fill that hole whenever I feel the need to put one or both of them into a different position.
No.5625
I am happy that fujos are doing their own events or joining smaller scale cons instead of latching onto comiket. It's just gacha shit at this point and it's way more fun to me to have multiple doujinshi events per year instead of waiting for comiket and missing stuff that gets buried by the masses of mainsteam stuff.
There is a con in January it seems were artists are releasing at least four doujinshi I'm looking toward to for now and the number might increase.
No.5626
>>5625>There is a con in January it seems were artists are releasing at least four doujinshi I'm looking toward to for now and the number might increase.Is it an akaboo event? Will you go there or wakt for artist to sell their doujinshi online once the event is over? There are so many of them all over Japan in just one year it's no wonder fujoshi and female otaku in general would rather go there. I wish I knew how comiket is but plane tickets to Japan are insanely expensive around obon so if I ever have the opportunity to go it would be during winter. But when I went to an akaboo event last year I really felt in my element so I'd rather prioritize that. I'm going back next summer and I'm really looking forward to this, especially because buying doujinshi online seems impossible or at least a pain in the ass with visa restrictions and proxies.
No.5628
>>5625About doujin event, tora has an updated list
>https://ec.toranoana.jp/joshi_r/ec/cot/pages/all/event/list/Aside Comiket (late december), there is Dozen Rose Fes (December 1st, akaboo)
>https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca195.htmland COMIC CITY 東京151 (December 15th, akaboo)
>https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca196.html No.5630
>>5628Holy shit that's useful I didn't know that. Thank you.
I see a lot of fans from my fandom announcing doujins for that 29/01/25 event. They're not on tora yet but will probably appear sooner or later since most are selling them there.
No.5651
>>5630what kind of fandom? because i can't find any event at that date.
anyway there is also this site that can be used to check out doujinshi events
>https://shimeken.com/events No.5653
>>5651Sorry I am retarded and misremembered. It's 01/26, not 29. TOKYO FES.
https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca198.html No.5692
>>5555I always wonder why western anime fans never make fandoms for anything that isn't shounen anime anymore. People only want to draw and write for whatever's popular, so that limits the amount of series that gets popular with fujos outside of Japan.
No.5694
>>5692Yeah I hate it. I can't get into the mainstream series so I am always left out.
>People only want to draw and write for whatever's popularI blame the monetizing and the obsession with clout. Nobody care about making art for fun only anymore, it's just about jumping the hype train. It's ridiculous how the FOTM always gets like 60k likes on twitter and literally everything else, no matter how good or bad, what genre or whatever, gets maybe a few thousands at best. And usually only if said pic involves the MC, since it's the only damn character non-fans and casuals recognize or remember.
50% of the reason for why I draw in the first place is to spread love for my ship/favs in the hope that others see the art and get into the series or game because of this, because that's what I often do. The other 50% are a mix between fun and the urge to feed myself and the other starving fans. If a series or pairing is insanely popular I actually get LESS interested drawing them.
No.5871
I dislike how socmedia made some artists focus so much on retweets and who is and who isn't RTing that they annoy the shit out of me. In most cases they're whining when they feel like they're not getting enough likes. If they seemed cool before I'll be nice at first and explain how lack of RTs can have many reasons (tbh it's usually that their art is simply not very appealing) and might even retweet one of their works but if it happens a second time I'll ignore it.
There are multiple reasons for why your shit isn't getting RTs. It can simply be 1.) a lack of luck and the big users overlook your artwork, 2.) you draw a niche character or ship that most don't care about. Or, 3.), your art sucks.
I don't want to be mean, but I am saying this as an artist myself. If it's 1.) you can't do shit about it and should just let it be, it's not the others' fault. If it's 2.) then you have to fucking choose whether likes are more important to you than your ship. I have pics with 1k likes and others with less than 50 because I drew dudes nobody but me cares about.
And if it's 3. and you really, really want RTs then you should work for that. I notice that none of these artists ever try to improve and get out of their comfort zone. I try to new things everytime I draw a proper artwork. When I started to upload and make my art special in 2007 I improved more in a single year than the ten years before that when I was just sketching shit for myself and never bothered with poses or angles since I just did it out of boredom.
I hate how many people make their whole well-being dependent on shitty pixel numbers these days but at the same time refuse to work for it if they care so much. Guilt-tripping others into RTing things won't win their appreciation, all they get are numbers and probably annoyed fans that eventually mute them if they keep crying.
No.5873
>>5871>others with less than 50 because I drew dudes nobody but me cares about.No, that means you and 50 more people care enough about these characters to draw them and then look for art of them. If I were in a con or event irl and several dozens of people interacted with me in a positive way just because we like the same niche story or character I'd be happy about it, but the people posting their art just to chase likes forget that not everything is about numbers.
No.5909
>>5873Yeah sure I exaggerated with the statement. I just wanted to make clear that relatively low numbers mean shit and that people shouldn't make their enjoyment of creating things depending on how it's doing on twitter compared to other art themselves or others have made.
If anything the main reason for why I am happy if my shit is getting spread isn't attention but the fact that I am successfully helping to shill the characters I love, because seeing fanart of them influences the people. I just want many to notice the characters, understand the chemistry and be infected by the love for them. I am also happy seeing others' art for them doing numbers.
And yeah, people underestimate numbers thanks to socmedia. 50 likes mean that 50 people have looked at it for a longer while and not only liked it but liked it enough to interact by leaving a "like" note. I think it's wrong disregarding "likes" because they think that RTs were so much better. If followers that like their art see that they seethe about them they will stop to interact completely, it's dumb.
Enjoy what you get and if you see artists who are better than you you should be happy that they exist since they make pretty art of the shit you love and they're a great inspiration for improvement too.
No.5921
Being into newer fandoms can be a pain for how quickly everybody moves on these days.
I feel like almost every fandom that isn't big enough to become mainstream is doomed and most of its fans will move on like two months after the anime adaption ends and barely even return if there is a second season. I have seen some artists getting into a fandom 4-5 months ago, moving over to Mouthwashing a month ago and now they already dropped that too to draw for Kimetsu, Arcane or respectively JJK. I am genuinely curious to see if the mass will dilute and join multiple smaller fandoms now that JJK, Kimetsu, BHNA, SNK and other juggernauts have ended. None of the other WSJ manga seem to get the same attention save for OP which is another old series.
No.5924
>>5921It's just a matter of medium tbh. Anime is the quickest to be dropped after having a fotm moment, then videogame > manga > and then novels.
No.5939
>>5921>dropped that too to draw for KimetsuPeople are still getting into Kimetsu? I thought most people moved onto JJK, and now JJK has ended. Is it Netflix-onlies who wait for the new seasons to be drip-fed?
I'm still into Kimetsu myself but the fandom has seemed to me pretty dead when a new season isn't airing.
No.5942
>>5939I think Kimetsu is even the best example to illustrate the issue anons talked about. Rarely have I ever seen such an insane, massive hype only for it to die down so fucking fast basically the second the manga has ended. There is only a slight increase of popularity when a new season is airing again but it seems nothing like the hype before, around the time when the first movie was airing in the cinemas. Compare that to the loyalty of Naruto fujos or other older fandoms. It's crazy how quickly everybody moves on these days. Unless someone lived in some backwater town you already had access to piracy sites with all kinds of anime in the early 00s when Naruto was airing on tv. So I don't buy that it's about variety and people jumping ships because there are new series to watch.
No.5945
>>5942>die down so fucking fast basically the second the manga has ended. This was so weird to see. On the flip side when MHA ended I saw a lot of posts that were like "thank god now people can get to writing fanfiction with the context of a complete work", which is ALWAYS how I feel when something I like finishes.
No.5946
>>5945Same nonnna, I can't stand reading/writing fanfics while series are ongoing since I'm so canon-compliant. Having them finally conclude is the best feeling knowing I have all the shipping breadcrumbs finally.
No.5947
>>5946I'm the opposite. As soon as something I'm into has closed, my interest in making fanworks usually dies out. I still might look at other people's works, but my own creative period will generally end. I definitely felt something 'click' inside me as soon as I heard the Gintama manga was over even though I was only following the anime. But sometimes doing a rewatch or reread can stir fannish feelings back up, or if the canon gets new material.
But I understand the feelings of wanting the canon to be closed so you don't have to worry about if the ending sucks or something happening to your ship. A shitty ending can also sour my feelings on the canon and my ships by extension.
No.5952
>>5947Is your creativity spurred by speculation then? Are you hoping to outpace the source material and create your own plausible canon, or is it just hard to be invested without new material being created?
No.5953
>>5952>Is your creativity spurred by speculation thenPartially yes I think, in the sense that when the story is still open-ended, I don't know what lies ahead for the characters and that keeps me invested. I don't know when my favorite characters could pop up again, so it's something to look forward to. So if the canon is closed but I haven't made it to the end yet, it's the same as an ongoing canon. I still haven't watched the final Gintama movie, and it's also why I chose to never read the Kimetsu manga even though I've been spoiled on just about every damn plot point by now…
Open ended franchises can keep my investment because they keep adding new entries. Pretty sure this is why so many fujos end up trapped in gacha hell…
No.5956
>>5946Yeah I can relate to this to an extent. It has become kinda tricky for me with my MMO ship and I've seen others have this issue too. Some characters will remain static cause they're not main story relevant or they're essentially retired from the main story but if you ship with a relevant character, long as the game is still ongoing you may wonder if any future characterisation may influence the ship.
No.5960
>>5956>long as the game is still ongoing you may wonder if any future characterisation may influence the shipThis problem is causing me a lot of stress right now. My ship were one-note side characters who no one expected to reappear, 10 years later they got hit by a tragedy in a new entry. On the one hand it's been great for new fanworks but waiting to see if they resolve their plot in the upcoming sequel and whether they'll totally fuck it is making me worry too much. I sincerely hope they go back to never appearing again after this but they're very popular with fujos so TPTB might feel the need to keep shilling them from now on.
No.5981
>>5956The promise (THREAT) of more material with characters you are writing about is really annoying to live with. I also had MMO characters I used to really like in a ship I also really liked, but now I just hate what they've done to both of them so much that seeing them makes me a little sad lol.
No.5982
>>5981Yes! The worry that something new will be revealed about their characters or something significant happens that changes them forever, especially when you're in the middle of making a fanwork… It's hard to deal with because at best your fic idea could become implausible and at worst you could lose all interest in the ship and canon.
No.6166
>>5871>In most cases they're whining when they feel like they're not getting enough likes.The joke's on them. Most of that is botted, just like any subreddit member count.
No.6226
>>5981I don't play MMO but this is every fujos nightmare and I hate that it accompanies me for almost every series I enjoy for as long as it lasts. There is a ship that is just fucking perfect in every way, but their (first) arc ends and they don't appear anymore. So you are in this stupid limbo of anxiety in which you desire them to come back because you love them and crave new material to work with and are also afraid that the hype might die down and see other fans moving on on the one hand and the great fear of having them return and the ship getting denied, fucked up, whatever.
Sadly the latter almost always happens. Probably because most ships are just coincidentally written like a ship or because the writer did it just for fun like having gay freaks or because two weird side characters that behave all gay are funny but once they return they want to do something else with them and since they never really considered them to be in love (or did but don't care about the pairing itself) they tear them apart for plot reasons or only get them back to kill one or both of them. ARGH. The monkey paw curling, it happens every time.