/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>12170
the people i saw agreeing with this were all adults

>>12169
>real life sports players
You're a slasher, not a fujoshi and I'll die on this hill, even if it's unpopular.

>>12169
I have actually seen people into NBA RPF before but I doubt she’s even into it herself. Usually people just make these kind of posts for the woke points and not real interest

>>12178
I'm not a sports RPF fan, but I feel like the NBA is extra heterosexual and so is the NFL. NHL has a certain allure since it's virulently homophobic and super machismo I'? Canadian and had to deal with the particular set of white boys that did hockey growing up-they were not good guys most of the time so I don't really care for it, so I think that does fuel some slashers fantasies. I guess the NFL is too, but somehow I don't see the same sort of appeal.

>>12169
Does anyone outside of America care about the NBA? By how performative this is you know this person has never had a single sexual thought about a black person in their entire life.

>>12180
Filipinos

>>12169
>fujoshi's r
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Guys if you want someone to ship something make one of those meme powerpoint presentations to demonstrate the ship material, you can't just tell people "ship it" and expect them to pick up an entire hobby to do so

>>12180
Kim Jong Un and Kim Jong Il

>>12169
no one wants to talk about it but it's because there's way more homophobia in the black community. black men see it as emasculation and hate seeing women draw their goats taking it up the ass and straight black women get mad and think you're cucking them because they have issues worrying about guys being "DL" in real life. which is why whenever fujos do jump onto ships with a black guy they always get harassed by black normies. even being black won't save you because they'll call you a coon for portraying the dude in a way they don't like. it happened with star wars wars, black panther, spider verse and now its happening with gachiakuta fandom too.

>>12200
OT but Finn x Poe is, to date, probably the only mostly fluff m/m pairing I have ever shipped. It makes me mad thinking about how completely derailed it got in the last movie.

>>12179
I can't get into sports rpf because I know that men into those things irl are evil. I can like anime charas because they are fake and I can ignore how often men are boring, ugly, or disappointing irl. No offense to men, many are good people. But on god I don't want to see their irl faces in my yaoi.

>>12205
>many are good people
doubt

>>12169
I don't know how people who grew up with cringe culture manage to do this shit and not cringe at all. Imagine posting your fucking face to the retarded non-grass toucher autistimo online discourse.
Aren't they all about not being cringe?

>>12169
Bitch, be for fucking real. There are anons in this very thread proclaiming that black men are inherently more homophobic than white men. Like how does someone say shit like this >>12200 and not think it's racist? "Yeah, I don't ship men of color because I'll get harrased by the scawy bwack man." Like, I'm sorry, but white men scream and cry about slashshipping emasculating male characters all the fucking time but somehow that doesn't fujos from shipping them.

>>12252
When white people complain about fujo shipping, it's easy to ignore them as just being homophobic or whiny women-haters. When black people complain about fujo shippers, they make it a race thing, and then fujos actually get scared away because they don't want to be racist. I remember seeing so many anti-fujo posts from black people(mostly women) on tumblr that accuse women of being racist if they ship a black guy with a white guy, for example. Also sorry but black leftists online really do start crazy harassment campaigns against others for pointless stuff so I don't blame anyone for not wanting to create fancontent of black characters when there's a risk that your entire online reputation gets tanked because you drew their hair wrong or you coloured them 5% lighter or something lol.

>>12253
Yeah, I remember the crazy harassment campaigns on Tumblr going after fanartists over skintone. Some of them were definitely lightening black characters, but the majority of them were just victims of tumblr mobs.

>>12252
Countries outside Europe where Christianity was imported tend to both be insanely homophobic and ironically also see LGBT as a western/white people thing, and in the case of African countries, those values get passed down from people's families. Black USian families also tend to be very religious and conservative.

>>12252
You gotta be white and suburban.

Please say that you are because this is the most sheltered take I've seen.

Black communities and history are notoriously homophobic. Between the struggle of still being marginalized and how deeply rooted christianity is in the south, you know where a major portion of black people come from, homophobia is outright expected instead of fought against.

Anon isn't talking about posting online, it's a very current, and still modern problem. You've heard of the American thanksgiving jokes with conservatives, imagine that all your life and potential domestic abuse if someone in your family found out you wanted to see two nba players kiss.

>>12253
That's just white guilt speaking, lol.
>>12258
>>12256
I'm not saying that homophobia is nonexistent among the Black community, it very clearly does exist, but it's ridiculous to say Black people are more violent and abusive when it comes to homophobia. It hasn't even been 20 years since the death of Matthew Shepard who was brutually tortured and murdered by white men. Two years ago, John Walter Lay was shot and murdered by a white man. Use your brains, nonnas. Homophobia is an ugly violent expression of hate that infects every culture, it doesn't magically make one community more violent than another.
>>12258
And fuck you specifically for saying I have to be white in order to care about racism. Like, we're not fucking stupid. POC do notice the very obvious patterns of fandom flocking towards white/east asian ships and we should be allowed to point it out and say that it's fucked up without people shutting us down.

>>12259
>POC do notice the very obvious patterns of fandom flocking towards white/east asian ships and we should be allowed to point it out and say that it's fucked up without people shutting us down.
Why is it fucked up, though? People can't help who they are attracted to, and most people don't ship characters they find physically repulsive in some way.

>>12259
You post like a white tumblr warrior defending black people who did not ask. You're saying 'we' so let's assume you are also black for a moment.

You are not exempt from making shitty and sheltered, terminally online takes.

>>12261
Yes, I'm a fedora wearing SJW defending the poor minorities. I couldn't possibly be a brown person calling out racism.
>>12260
I don't even know where to begin with this. Do you want me to say it's okay to find white people attractive??? Do you want me to say it's okay to think of POC as disgusting hideous creatures???

>>12262
>Do you want me to say it's okay to find white people attractive??? Do you want me to say it's okay to think of POC as disgusting hideous creatures???
No I want you to say why it's fucked up that fandom gravitates towards Whites/Asians.

>>12259
I'm not any of the ayrt, but I do think there's something to be said about the fact that you don't see many black fujos compared to white, latin, SEAsian, arab etc. fujos. The ones I've met are often shamed because they tend to hang out mostly in white dominated fandom spaces. In particular black yumes/hetshippers seem to really have a bone to pick with fujos since in some popular slash ships, one of the guys is canonically in a relationship with a black woman (Kirk/spock, those arcane guys I can't remember the names of). Since the original conversation is about NBA yaoi, if there was a really big community of black fujos I'd expect it to originate from them. Like, when you think about it it's weird that a picture of two black men kissing became a meme, right? I don't think the lack of respect for black gay people comes exclusively from outside the black community.

About what you said about white men also being very homophobic, I don't disagree but with the way "queer" culture has spread, if you're a white person in the usa/europe that didn't grow up in a particularly homophobic family/community, you're probably hardly going to encounter strong homophobic sentiments in the wild. Considering the right-wing slant a lot of countries are on we'll see if that lasts though.

>POC do notice the very obvious patterns of fandom flocking towards white/east asian ships and we should be allowed to point it out and say that it's fucked up without people shutting us down.
Another thing that's worth mentioning here imo is the fact that a lot of the time people who do portray black characters in yaoi ships tend to catch flack for allegedly dehumanizing and objectifying the characters in question. Considering this conversation stemmed from a post about RPF of all things, it's something that's worth considering. I think some of those complaints make sense, other times it really just feels like wokescolding for the sake of it. Personally I think that anyone who genuinely loves the characters and ship in question wouldn't fall back on racist stereotypes to make it work, but that's just how I feel.

>>11671
>Friends took the concept of Living Single and became one of the biggest tv shows ever, so I think it could work if dynamics and stories from UPN series were just made gay
This still chaps my ass because Friends sucked and somehow managed to take the things I liked from Living Single (the will they/won't they, the banter) and made them insufferable (Ross/Rachel). I can't believe there is somebody else who watched this on fujochan!
>>12253
>When black people complain about fujo shippers, they make it a race thing, and then fujos actually get scared away because they don't want to be racist.
I remember this is how 2016 Poe/Finn discourse went down, which was a shame because Finn was so moe. I guess it was for the best though, given how the rest of those movies went.
>>12265
>canonically in a relationship with a black woman (Kirk/spock
Worth mentioning that it was crickets when they put Spock with Chapel in SNW when Uhura was also there. I don't think anybody was actually invested in AOS Spock/Uhura, they just wanted to attack fujos.

>>12265
The thing is fandom doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is a microreprensation of society at large. Because society is racist(among other societal ills), fandom is also racist-and concerning this thread, anti-black-but nobody is allowed to talk about this subject without people saying "fandom is my safe space, fandom isn't activism", blah blah blah. We can't have a conversation about racism in fandom if people aren't willing to sit down and acknowledge the biases they might hold, the same biases their friends and fellow fans might also have. Is it wokescolding to point out that the NBA and NHL are both leagues overrun with rampant homophobia and misogyny yet somehow the NHL has a much bigger fandom despite hockey being a less popular sport than basketball? Why is it that soccer, the world's most popular sport, barely manages to beat out hockey in terms of fandom popularity? How come the majority of ships in baseball mainly feature white men? Ship white men all you want, no one is going to kill you for it, but perhaps question you only ship white men.

>>12267
I feel like that is an easy answer? NHL guys beat the shit out of each other every game and there are more than a few compilations of them kissing. Because hockey is also less popular, sport fujos don't have to compete with guys in their 'fandom' as much. Can you imagine being a Ronaldo shipper on twitter?

>>12267
>but perhaps question you only ship white men.
Because I'm primarily attracted to White men. A lot of people in fandom probably are too, they're just not willing to admit it in non-anon spaces. And there's nothing wrong with that, at all, but since you'll get attacked for stating what is obvious, no one admits to it, so you get people saying things like "fandom is my safe space etc etc" instead of cutting to the meat of the issue. """"Issue""" anyway.
I feel like everyone knows this deep down. People who like White men and people who are angry at people for liking White men (who also probably like White men (tsundere)).
>NHL has a much bigger fandom despite hockey being a less popular sport than basketball
Is it? In America I guess. But worldwide I'd be surprised if this was the case.

As a spic I have no stakes in this battle but I must say that I do notice that black fujos seem to be extremely vocal about needing to make the fact that they are shipping POC or a racemixing pair a showcase of activism. They also tend to unapologetically blackwash a lot and you ALSO need to accept their blackwashed version of a character too or "you're racist". A character can be tanned or brown of non-specific 'nationality', and they'll default to them as black and none other than black and if you don't follow that go fuck yourself, etc.
It's best to just avoid characters or ships like that altogether personally.

Even as a spic/latino (NOT americanized latino, actually living in the shithhole) I've seen americans try to tell actual latinos what they should portray, how a character should talk or behave, and what to avoid from the bad parts of the """culture""" even though none of (us) care. Meanwhile they're the ones that think every brown character should be speaking random words in spanish every 5 seconds or make a reference to their (country) even though not a single actual spic does that. It feels like americans always want to call others racist by not realizing how racist they themselves look.

>>12270
>I've seen americans try to tell actual latinos what they should portray, how a character should talk or behave, and what to avoid from the bad parts of the """culture""" even though none of (us) care.
Nooooo you can't give the Latino man tattoos and muscles when he goes to prison omg that's such a racist stereotype, you're so racist don't you know they don't have prisons and tattoos and muscles in Latin American?!?!

>>12267
I'm not in any RPF spaces nor do I engage with RPF in the first place, but I do think those discussions are best suited for those environments since they're about real people if you want to have them. Personally speaking I'm an anime/game fujo autist 99% of the time and I think people who try to have deep conversations on shit like orientalism in gambling simulator hoyoshit titles are braindead. Pick your battles and stuff.
>We can't have a conversation about racism in fandom if people aren't willing to sit down and acknowledge the biases they might hold, the same biases their friends and fellow fans might also have.
The thing is, if people really want to have said conversation, then in theory it should be a conversation involving fandom as a whole, in practice people only ever attack fujos. Hetshippers also have a strong preference for white characters but you don't see people bothering them for it. When people criticize yuri with the big strong scary darkskinned person x tiny dainty white blonde trope, they don't immediately jump to shit on all yuri fans as a whole. How come people don't make viral thoughtpieces about yumes mainly being into asian/white dudes? It's only ever fujos that get generalized this much. You can't really blame fujos for noticing that they're the only ones being nagged most of the time while everyone else just flies under the radar.

>>12269
>Is it? In America I guess. But worldwide I'd be surprised if this was the case.
Are you stupid? I'm comparing two american sports league with each other, I'm clearly talking about fandom popularity from an american context.
>>12268
She doesn't know about"fuck him on the floor friday"
>>12270
Girl, I'm a spic as well. Don't pretend that latin america isn't racist and zenophobic as fuck.
>>12272
I am a fujo calling other fujos in a fujo space. What more do you want? And don't give me that shit about people refusing to call out hetshippers and the like. You don't fucking notice it because you're not in those spaces. Invincible is constantly engaging in discourse concerning the disposable black girlfriend trope that the show employs and how the fanbase goes along with it. What do you propose we do when racist woman are being racist? We kindly tell them that they're being racist and and back down if they get mad?

>>12273
Let me guess, you're a latina from the US. Spare us the lecture, pendeja. Si eres de argentina aún peor.

>>12274
Otra pobre pendeja chupandole la verga a los gringos.

>>12273
>And don't give me that shit about people refusing to call out hetshippers and the like.
Racist behaviors may get called out but they're not applied to hetshippers as a whole. I even brought up something I similar I saw happen in yuri spaces. They might bitch about a specific fandom but you'll never see them complain about hetshippers/himes as a collective because they realize it's retarded. Whenever people talk about instances of racism in a fandom for a m/m ship they specifically go on tangents about fujos as a whole, I was occasionally exposed to arcane discourse against my will and saw so many posts talking about the evil racist fujos when they were talking about fans of a single fucking ship from a league of legends cartoon. They can't just say (fandom)/(ship) fans are racist, they have to say fujos as a whole are racist. Even the original post that kickstarted this whole derail is like that. "fujos are too racist to ship nba men" as if all fujos are into rpf, sports rpf to be exact? If you want to complain about certain people/fandoms, you're free to do so, I just think that cosigning some random tiktok zoomer's obvious inflammatory bait post is stupid as fuck (high chance they don't give a single fuck about nba yaoi either they just saw an opportunity to post a le fujos are evil bigots video and took it)

>>12275
>piensa que soy fujo pobre
Jajajaja llora más

>>12169
This entire argument is spawned from some teenybopper whining about her ships not being popular. She's no better than those yuri troons complaining about yaoi fanart being more popular.

I advise that everyone take a step back and touch grass.

>>12276
Shippers being racist and shippers unnecesarily getting bashed for gay shipping are statements that can and should coexist.

>>12265
>the fact that you don't see many black fujos compared to white, latin, SEAsian, arab etc. fujos.
nta but I refuse to believe it just based on the ones I met irl for well over a decade. However none of us are American so nobody gives a fuck about the NBA. On the other hand during the latest football world cup a lot of women joked that they shipped Mbappé and Giroud because of one ridiculous looking picture of them.

whenever the whole “why don’t people ship black/brown characters more” thing gets brought up I have to wonder what ships they even have in mind as being “ignored” or “missed opportunity”. east asians are only just now common in western ships because of an increased popularity of east asian media in the west. what are the supposed swathes of black/brown ships being “ignored” and are the people complaining even into them?

>>12279
Can you even prove a shipper is being racist just because she thinks certain characters look good togther? Be real, that tends to be the only crime most do. Rarely will you see someone in the fandom screeching "I HATE NXXXXERS" or something to that tune.

>>12269
>majority of people in fandom just have a sexual preference for white men but won’t admit it because they’ll get attacked
I used to consider race preferences as racist because of this sentiment I’d hear in fandom but in real life everyone has them regardless of their own race. A majority of people prefer their own race or a specific one over the other when dating and it’s really not a big deal. there’s no point in trying to shame or browbeat someone into dating or feigning attraction to a group to prove they don’t hate them and it’s ridiculous that it’s so accepted to do so in certain spaces. would anyone claim that someone’s ableist just because they’re not sexually interested in people with dwarfism or down syndrome? attraction or lack of attraction doesn’t dictate whether you hate someone or support them.

>>12267
if you think it's "racism" to not ship people of races you're not attracted to and that fandom is activism then i envy your life. i'm not into rpf in general but don't most fujos ship two guys they think are hot? if you don't think nba guys are attractive how is that racism… i'm a "POC" too and i've been called racist for not being attracted to people of my own race. i only like east asian men because i'm a weeb honestly if that makes me racist then so be it. racism doesn't even mean anything anymore.
>>12270
it's really another case where self-inserting is the issue. like trannies who need to make all characters they like trans too.

>>12281
That's what gets me about these discussions too. You'd think impassioned fujos would react to people ignoring their otp by posting about it to spread the word, but this is modern fandom and condescendingly implying you're a bad person for not doing shipping the way someone else expects you to is the norm. You (general you) can talk about implicit biases and internalized bigotry until the cows come home but if you refuse to actually participate in fandom activities such as drawing, writing, rping or even just talking about your ship you can't expect randos on the internet to read your rants about how everyone in fandom is a bigot and magically pull "woke" ships out of their asses. It's clearly just a control tactic much like yuritroons who shit on female dominated fandoms because they don't hand them their preferred fap fuel on a silver platter.

>>12285
imo, if you're deep into a rare ship, you don't really notice people not shipping it, because you and the other five people into it just talk about that ship. Rarepair fujos make their own stuff.

This discussion just reminded me that I saw that there are now fujos shipping characters from a bollywood film together. It's crazy because I never thought there would such a thing …I hope they didn't get harassed by rabid Indian losers.
>>12266
I still ship Finn/Poe but most of their fics are now as the background couple in Reylo fics. Also, I feel not enough fujos here know about the rather large Abed/Troy fanbase from Community, though it probably is a bit more obscure. That's one of my other fluffy ships. I'm sure there are actually other fujos that ship black characters with other male characters-though I notice it's mostly mixed race couples, but not necessarily black/white- but they might not advertise it because of pushback from certain people. If fujos are now shipping fucking bollywood film characters, I am sure there are fujos that ship black characters from different media.

>>12267
>fandom doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is a microreprensation of society at large. Because society is racist

Did you by chance take this frozen ass pizza take from Anita Sarkeesian? This take is old as shit and if you haven't grown up to realize that society is not the lgbtq+ but at the same time islamic friendly (kek) that should consume fiction with state mandated minorities and disabled people and respect pronouns and all that retarded shit then you should quit the internet and possibly realize that kind of thinking is self hating cycle that never ends, It doesn't conveniently start and end with the group you care the most, and it's exactly how we got trannies.
Fuck off

>>12285
>It's clearly just a control tactic much like yuritroons

and yuritroons think consuming yuri makes them anti misogyny, even thou incel men (them) consume yuri on a regular basis and claim anime girls are better than 3d women

>>12287
>I still ship Finn/Poe
Off-topic, but I always wished Finn/Hux or Finn/Kylo was more popular since the series didn't give a fuck about his Stormtrooper past even though it's one of the most interesting things about him. I like Finn/Poe in the context of Force Awakens but Poe unfortunately becomes a nothing character after that movie.

>>12290
AYRT but I have dabbled in Finn/Kylo so I agree too kek. It's irritating that they made Poe a nothing character in later films. Truthfully, I have only watched the first two films of the trilogy, so I don't know the exact depths of how nothing Poe is in that one which is probably a blessing.