No.9888[Last 50 Posts]
Ah shit, I hate when I reply to a thread that is past bump limit.
Shit you Hate 3.0, post stuff that makes you unreasonable enraged.
Prior thread
>>4907 No.9889
>>9888Nah, you can still use the older thread. If it's not locked it's good to use.
No.10097
>Cool design
>It's a vtuber
>It's a gacha game
>It's a webtoon
I miss when most "Anime" was actually centered around anime with the occasional JRPG
No.10799
People who feel the need to make long 5 character+ shipping tags. Makes it an absolute chore to scan the ship list on Ao3.
No.10805
>>10097God I hate too, on a rare occasion it's a tan or niche VN character but 99% of the time nowadays it's one of those three.
No.10807
>>10806I had a friend who would regularly donate to a vtuber but would get mad at people who donated at times when the group at large wasn't donating
I don't get why you'd donate to random moids to begin with kek, it's not like they're providing a service. Honestly as far as otaku circles go I understand the appeal of vtubers the least.
No.10809
>>10806To me it's strange how they're like idols lite with those specific companies and get marketed like characters. RPF shipping and youtuber merch are absolutely nothing new but for Pewdiepie and Markiplier it's more like 'buy my Tshirt' than 'buy my nendoroid'.
Maybe the corporate stuff is more necessary for Japanese letsplayers due to the illegality of emulation? I understand that they have to get permission from the actual companies and use their software for stuff like DS emulation.
No.10812
>>10806>>10807>>10809As someone that follows a few vtubers (mostly on the japanese side), I understand people who are put off by the idea as there's a real person behind them after all, but I just treat them the same as I would any actual 2D character. Most of the shipping content is hidden behind locked accounts, but having a more private community like that means there's gonna be less drama. I've never been into kpop/idols/rpf in general, so the deciding factor here is mostly them being not too different from anime characters (to me personally). They constantly put out new content, the 3D stuff they get to do is really cool, and the community(both individually and for shipping) is pretty active so I'd say those are the main appeals of the whole thing for me.
I never actually donated though, but I have bought both official and fanmade merch, the same as I would do for a game/anime character or ship I liked.
No.10813
>>10806It takes actual effort to rein in how much I hate vtubers when they come up in casual conversation and I cry every time I have to Ol' Yeller an objectively good artist because they got into some dipshit I will never ever care about. I actually consider them worse than IRL streamers because while they are both parasocial cancer at least the IRL ones don't often leak into the online spaces I occupy.
>>10807>Honestly as far as otaku circles go I understand the appeal of vtubers the least.I have no idea how they can do it given what I have witnessed in the last 20 years of being a weeaboo online. To be extremely ungenerous: that is a 3DPD woman behind their UOHHHHH who is taking their attention/money/time and almost assuredly fucking somebody else. Why delude themselves?
Also it should go without saying that I am malding levels of jealous of the successful ones haha. (￣▽￣*)ゞ
No.10814
>>10812I like the idea of having a 3D avatar instead of seeing someone's actual face (I still miss the days of letsplayers who didn't have a facecam) but the rest of it is too offputting to me. However I'm already not a RPF fujo and never understood the Youtuber shipping fandom, so…
Then there's the fact that vtubers 'graduate' just like idols. Your fave character could just vanish one day.
No.10815
>>10814I just don't get what people are invested in, like I'm not a big RPF fan either, but if someone is shipping a president, serial killer, or military guy I can at least see the plot and drama building blocks. Vtubers are non-characters to me they don't do anything besides play video games! I didn't get pewdiecry either and this is just thst but way more prevalent.
No.10816
>>10815Maybe there's collabs going on? Or people ship vtubers in the same company? But yeah I don't get it either, it's just a person playing video games. Maybe it's like the no-interaction ships where you mash together your two faves and create their entire story yourself.
No.10828
>>10812>but I just treat them the same as I would any actual 2D character. This is something I don't get personally. I still see them as the people behind the avatar. Most of them don't even try to pull a character but just act as themselves, if they did I would probably be capable of suspending my disbelief but a lot of them are just another guy online with a janky 3D avatar constantly opening its mouth like a fish. I just hear a disembodied voice belonging to a person behind the screen.
No.10829
>>10828I feel the same. Even when they lean into the character of their model, it still feels like some random person rather than a voice actor playing a role. The gap is too big for me, and most vtubers are not actually entertaining as streamers either imo.
No.10831
>>10815>they don't do anything besides play video games! This isn't really true nowadays, a lot of the popular vtubers now are more like a mix of an idol and a streamer and their activities are pretty varied. Even if you're not into their stream content, they also do 3D content, release music, have 3D lives/concerts, sometimes participate in bigger events, etc. If they just played games all day with a moving anime avatar that probably wouldn't be enough to keep me interested either.
>>10816As far as shipping goes, yeah there's collabs and basically people tend to ship vtubers who are a part of the same group/unit or the ones who are just generally close friends and collab/do stuff together often. In jp spaces it's treated as '2.5D' shipping rather than full on RPF because the focus is put on their characters interacting, rather than the people behind them, if that makes sense.
>>10828Some of them (definitely not all) do a convincing enough act for me, I guess it also helps that I avoid looking at anything related to their
irl, the only thing relevant to me is what they actually say on stream.
At the end of the day, I do still consider vtubers (and especially shipping them) a bit of a niche so I try not to bring it up too much in fujo discussions, I get that it's not for everyone.
No.10832
>I love character because (shit that has nothing to do with their actual canon, changed their name to fit the person's nationality, changed their skin color or hair color, changed their gender and shit they made up that isn't the character anymore but just straight up an OC)
why are people like this
worse part is that you can't talk about a character objectively with these kinds of people because they think their OCfied version is "good" even though it's just not the character anymore
No.10833
>>10832They're too afraid of being perceived as cringe and also fear the loss of the community and clout if they just made their own OCs so they'd rather turn actual characters into their OCs.
No.10834
>>10832I'm in a magical boy fandom and there's some user who's decided to ship the different transformations of one character together. It's not unusual in the fandom to draw art where they're separate people and behave a bit differently, but this person is writing shitloads of "AU lore" and shipping stories about them being totally different people, and because they need
more they're including ANY costume change at all. So that one time he wore a pink hat? Yeah that's a new character with a different personality. Great.
I didn't think much of it at first, it seemed like lighthearted jokes just like anyone else makes, but now I keep getting this urge to go "IT'S THE SAME FUCKING GUY. PEOPLE ARE MULTIFACETED!"
Please kids, you do not need to mold a personality around being The (Character) Guy in the group. If shipping your fave with other characters in the series is difficult, you can just not ship. We don't need a spinoff series that eliminates every other character.
No.10835
>>10834What is this, the revival of the Onceler?
No.10837
>>10834Not as bad as your example, but I'm in a fandom where a large portion of the fans of my OTP ship crossover versions of them with each other, including selfcest. The anime/manga/game versions of them are considered separate characters (which to be fair they all have different personalities, but the designs are otherwise the same, aside from art style)
You might think on paper that you could do something interesting with having a character meet a version of themself from another universe with a different personality… but I have never seen anyone actually do something interesting with this concept. It's always just bland porn or equally bland plotless fluff with all versions of the characters living together as roommates. It seems like a universe of pure crystallized fanon too thick for me to get my head around. And this stuff makes up a good portion of my OTP's fan work, to the point where I could see a random fan art that looks nice except whoops, the artist said it's Anime A x Manga B or something, when I only give a shit shipping the characters from the same universe.
No.10844
>>10834this is fucking awesome
No.10868
>>10844No, you don't understand, they started giving all the costumes new names and writing a cat AU where they're all just cat OCs with new names at war in some new European setting with new backstories and shit? How is this the same anime
No.11233
This thread and the other one.
No.11243
3D model porn looks so awkward to me. It looks like the digital equivalent of seeing someone smash two dolls together.
No.11249
>>11243I hate most 3d model/MMD stuff regardless of SFW or NSFW. It just looks so stupid everytime.
No.11250
>>11249>>11243Yeah if it's not built from the ground up it just looks bad. Most of the SFM stuff in particular is dead-eyed.
No.11252
>>11250>>11249I don't mind it for comedy
the cinematic masterpiece that is Half-Life: Full Life Consequences, but it look so stiff and janky when it's trying to be serious.
No.11297
>>11296This reminds me of the frustration I felt when I learned Pretty Boy Detective Club had a FemMC. Very few shows successful reverse trap me, but when it happens I totally lose interest in the series. Thankfully it's usually the selling point so I don't need to waste my time.
As an aside, that first ones summary sounds like a gender swapped version of Otoboku.
No.11298
>>11296Hana Kimi is a classic and the first volumes I read were actually pretty funny. No clue what the second manga is like but I've seen some discourse about the female MC becoming girly and that's bad so it made me not want to check it out. Honestly reverse trap manga aren't interesting if they're not meant to be comedies because it can easily look ridiculous and impossible to take seriously.
No.11300
>>11296The world yearns for another Ouran High School Club revolution that will never happen again.
No.11327
>>11300Can you imagine the insufferable identity politics discourse if ouran came out nowadays? I'd rather not.
No.11328
>>11327Already happening with new fans. Pretty sure there's an Ouran Abridged that makes Haruhi nonbinary too.
No.11329
>>11328I though abridged series were supposed to be funny?
No.11330
>>11300Eh, it was kinda mid.
No.11441
Hate may be a bit strong for how I feel toward it but;
>Seme confronts uke
>"I like you a lot. I think about you almost all the time. Being around you lights up my day."
>Seme nearly crushes uke in a hug/basically eats his face with how intense he kisses him
>Uke runs away/they have to separate right after
>"A kiss!? But why?? Why'd he do that… Was he just goofing around…? Literally what did he mean by this???"
It's just so silly.
No.11442
>>11441I'm not opposed to miscommunication causing relationship drama, but yeah… this shit is obnoxious.
No.11443
>>11441>uke is a post-pubescent teenager or an adult man in a setting where he would not be naive>dick gets hard>seme grinds up on him or something >eh? what are you doing seme-kun? why has my / your penis gotten bigger?>you want to sleep with me? what do you mean?-_-
No.11444
>>11443Also samefagging but I've read enough fluff with two dense characters snuggling where I'm convinced the authors forget that the characters are male, and they would both get turbo boners. Men get boners very easily. You can feel them through clothes. Just a psa.
No.11586
>>10806If the person behind the vtuber remains professional, and is responsible and creative it's a pretty fun investment to people. It's hard to explain but being involved in vtuber fandom where everyone is writing, drawing fanart, cosplaying, and watching streams together is a different kind of high.
I got out of the vtuber bubble because the last moid vtuber I liked was a menhera and it was actively stressful to watch him kek. I'm sure he still has a desperate group of fangirls still clinging onto him.
No.11764
>>9888I fucking hate 4chan/v/ so much.
So I play some games and I ship and enjoy fanart of a lot of video game boys. Thus I checked on that board and holy crap it’s just everything that I hate about moids but 200x.
All over the catalog there’s p*dophilia, over-sexualized female characters, racism, and just the most off-putting threads in general. Everyone there is a neckbeard and at least half of them are transsexuals to boot. Only boards that I go to somewhat regularly on 4chan (and they’re still shit most of the times) are /cm/ for the cute boys, /y/ when im feeling freaky, /vg/ for the TCOAAL generals, /an/ because I love animals, /ck/ because I like to cook, and sometimes /a/ but ill loose interest quickly because most threads are for yuri or het series.
No.11765
>>11764The best threads on /v/ are the ones where they post rat GIFs.
No.11770
Not fujo specific but I kinda fucking hate when people complain a medium has gone to shit. It's wlrst with movies because the people bitching only watch capeshit and blockbusters, but it happens with anime and video games as well. If you aren't enjoying the mainstream trash why not try and indie game or watch a show from a subgenre you haven't tried before?
I don't know, endless bitching just annoys me and so much good stuff is ignored everyday. I find it upsetting to see people denounce the entire modern media landscape because they refuses to look beyond the most popular thing in the room.
No.11775
I complained about /v/ even though it wasn’t really related to fujo fandom so I’ll make up for it by complaining about /y/.
So firstly I don’t know how gays find bara or bad western art attractive. What is the appeal? And there’s just so many threads of it on /y/ but if you make a thread for anything else there’s always some bara fags that attempt to derail your thread. Very annoying.
Also AI slop is bound to be in every thread so you have to say “no AI” in the OP and if you forget your thread is ruined.
One positive thing about /y/ is that a thread is rarely just an image dump and by that I meant anons talk about what they like and why they like it.
No.11779
>>11778>used to be in the mid 2000sGod I miss mid00s /y/. Sometime between 2012 and 2016 I blinked and it was 99% misogynist gay dudes who hated talking about shipping and even the source material itself.
No.11781
>>11778In the late 00s people moved to the bara board on anonib because there was already too much drama in /y/ threads. That board was a miracle by today's standards: everyone understood users could be women or gay men, and nobody fought over it, just put things in the right board and thread for what they wanted. I guess we were all so reliant on each other sharing art that nobody looked a gift horse in the mouth (that, and the kind of furries who were around back then were frankly gentlemen about it, the furries on 4chan now are ERPing dipshits who just want to hook up). There were arguments about whether characters were buff enough, but I don't remember them being the kind of hostility you see now. When a board's active enough nobody fears one type of content overtaking the rest.
I haven't dared look at /y/ in a long time, but I won't be surprised if one of the barafags you're thinking of is the one who makes bait threads on /a/ accusing women on racism and whatever else. He only likes stylized hyper muscle art with 2' thick necks, and very specific characters from Shounen Jump titles. Has said some dumb shit about not really caring about anything but the looks and the whole my taste > all women who could never.
No.11782
>>11779/cm/ is downright unuseable ever since they shut down conversation and allowed unironic pedophiles to post. I miss the old /cm/
No.11783
>>11781I think I know who you're talking about and it would absolutely not shock me if it was him. The one who spams fetish Endeavor art, right?
>>11782Shota threads are fine, but every time I see people baiting for erp on them I wonder how the fuck this is allowed outside of /soc/ and /b/.
No.11784
>>11783That's the guy. Those threads draw out all the guys whose hobby is just shittalking women instead of talking about anime/manga, and I think even he gets upset sometimes that it's not about the art he posted.
No.11785
>>11783>The one who spams fetish Endeavor art, right?I hope he at least ships Endhawks.
Every time I've visted /y/ it's just been ugly misogyny-free 3D and Bara but I haven't used the site since like 2017. This is literally the only chan I use and if it dies I think I'm at the point in my life where I'm done with them. I just hate chan culture and the kind of constant negativity it brews.
No.11786
>>11783NTA but they're legitimately not fine, it's NAMBLA anonymous. Shota posting is an excuse for bonding over their real life pedophilic fantasies, i wish they'd separate that from anime boy posting
>>11779I regret not lurking /y/ back when it was good…
No.11787
>>11785>This is literally the only chan I use and if it dies I think I'm at the point in my life where I'm done with them. I just hate chan culture and the kind of constant negativity it brews.Mostly same. I've tried to post more regularly on smaller/slower boards but the bulk of the enjoyment I get from chatting online is here. I don't want to have to leave, being an older chan-adjacent fujo is so lonely. (╥_╥)
No.11788
>>11782Since when did /cm/ become NAMBLA central? I used to be an avid user at its peak (mid to later 2000s), when it was full of bishies and the female and fag users coexisted in harmony. Now it’s unrecognizable.
>>11787NAYRT, but as a fellow oldfag unfortunately I think chan culture is on the decline. The internet is a very different place compared to 15-20 years ago and young people were raised on different standards of internet etiquette.
No.11790
>>11788>I think chan culture is on the declinePretty much, even jap chans I only lurk are slowing down. If I really have to infiltrate friend groups to exchange opinions in the future then I'm fucked, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No.11819
Chan culture scared me out of ever drawfagging and even making requests. Chan servers scared me into realizing asking for trades is selfish and greedy.
I hate chan culture.
No.11820
>>11788>I think chan culture is on the declineAre you sure about that? Because I sure as fuck see Chan culture fucking everywhere by people who have never stepped on a chan or don't even know what the origin of that chan meme they keep spouting is about.
Like how you see soyjacks everywhere for every little thing, people using > in general when talking about something, saying xslop (it's originally goyslop and came from /pol/), safewashing words like normalfag into normie and other xfag denominator into something more pallatable like "dudebros/waifubros" to not say waifufag, etc.
People like chan culture but they don't want to compromise their PC safe space by saying retard or even fag
No.11824
>>11820chan culture and slang gets routed into more normal spaces on the internet because that's how language works. "retard" is already coming back into common vernacular anyway, to the point where i've seen some people make posts about how if you say it, they won't associate with you.
No.11828
>>11819Similar, I quit writing for a very long time because "fanfic is for subhumans," but I kept drawing for other people and only other people. I experienced a fair amount of happiness from the responses I got drawing requests, but I never had time to draw what I liked, always felt like I wasn't getting things in-character, and nobody would ever draw what I wanted even in trades. Then I found myself being talked into drawing complicated things for people who always feigned concern for my health and followed me around social media, and I never felt like I could tell anyone what was happening because it'd be taken as deliberate shit stirring. It left a horrible taste in my mouth but I finally decided to draw and write whatever gay shit I want.
I think the weirdest part was that something like six years after I left a general I looked in to see what people thought of a new entry, and found someone diagnosing me with a personality disorder I had never heard of before. I've forgotten what it's called but it was "narcissistic personality disorder where they pretend they're not narcissistic so they don't appear narcissistic on the surface on they might not be aware of their own narcissism." It haunted me for a while because who the fuck was still thinking about me that many years later, that's creepy. I hope they don't see me posting boys kissing on twitter and go "it's (drawfag name)!" Fuck.
What I meant to say is there's a slice of chan culture I have always liked, the positive stuff, the one liner jokes people make together, the chain quotations. Seasonal threads are still good for that. The side where people start recognizing each other and policing their every move? Hell with a bow on top and glitter that gets stuck under your nails and keeps coming back. Yeuck.
No.11829
>>11828So the people I was complaining about might have just turned up in the Epstein files? What a turn of events.
No.11831
>>11829>moot in epstein filesCrazy how capeshit levels of bad writing are actually part of our current reality.
>>11820>>11788>chan cultureI think it's best to define chan culture by past/present and while present chan culture has snowballed into something terrible and escaped containment I do miss how chill it was to talk about things with other weebs on all the relevant boards back in the day. Fujochan is currently the only place I know of with natural filters that leave me with anons I'd be happy to chat with, like how pre-2010s 4chan used to be.
No.11839
Its so fucked how /u/ is in the files but twitter wants to pretend that anime yuri culture is only for lesbians by lesbians and that not perverted straight men would ever be into it. There's a reason why none of the popular yuri involves any adults who actually look and sound like grown women and not squeaky voiced little girls. Now all they say is not to judge yuri fans based on it but they would never do the same if its fujo culture. Fujo culture is the only thing that guaranteed repels moids but people hate fujos and never let fujos live down one fanfic where a guy cheats on his canon wife, but don't judge all the himejoshis based on /u/. It's hypocrisy.
No.11840
>>11839Honestly I wish every creepy yuritroon I've had the displeasure of meeting a very "Serves you right."
No.11847
>>11844I took a peek at this and honestly had no idea there was yurifag/lolicon beef but it makes sense I guess. I didn't see any fujos in the comments like this person claimed, but they might have just been buried by all the lolicon gloating by the time I got there.
No.11868
>>11820>>11830Chan slang/memes osmosing into the mainstream does not necessarily mean chan culture is thriving. 4chan has been a source of internet memes/slang ever since the 2000s; like
>>11824 described it’s just how language works. The anonymity of 4chan naturally resulted in users developing their own distinct vernacular and memes, a home grown culture the rest of the internet borrowed from.
However, 4chan now is a mere shadow of its past self. Like the anons above discussed /cm/ and /y/ are barely useable, with the same users spamming the board. Lolcow.farm is nigh unusable and the user base is insufferable, hence part of why fujochan exists. Crystal.cafe is dead and full of troons. Any attempt to move to an altchan is futile since those sites only have a fraction of the traffic of the aforementioned chans (whose distinct user base is already on the decline). And this is before you consider dead internet theory.
Even if chans get new users, they will be part of the generation that did not grow up on the same internet etiquette as the pre-2010s internet. Lurk before posting, not your personal army, don’t fall for bait, don’t power level: those and others were basic tenets of self-moderation that made imageboard users pleasant to interact with. Having gone down the /cgl/ -> SR -> LCF -> CC/Fujochan/etc route, I don’t feel so optimistic about the fate of imageboards
No.11870
>>11868I feel like there's only so much blame one can place on imageboard users. Maybe if mods actually cared about their boards and did their fucking job, ibs wouldn't be inundanted with absolute retards.
No.11871
>>11868Part of the reason I too find Lolcow.farm to be nigh unusable is because the site is just chock full of Tumblr/Xitter/Tiktok immigrants nowadays.
No.11872
>>11870The appeal of an IB is little to no moderation though. Moderation is gay and they should only step in when it's rule breaking content.
4chan has been unusable for almost 15 years at this poi t due to /pol/fags I don't kbow why people bother with it half the people there don't even have hobbies.
No.11874
>>11870It’s not mods’ responsibility to babysit their users. Like
>>11872 said the appeal of an IB is lax moderation. If a janny constantly needs to step in to stop infighting/derailing/baiting then it’s the users who are the problem.
>>11871Exactly, and those newfags won’t integrate. They can’t keep LC on the DL (which attracts more newfags) and they bring their retarded arguments. It’s how you end up with unironic antishippers in the fandom threads.
No.11875
>>11874>It’s how you end up with unironic antishippers in the fandom threadsA benevolent dictator mod could solve this. If they can't naturally integrate they must do it at gunpoint or leave.
No.11876
>>11872>>11874Disagree. Mods taking a backseat and refusing to punish shit-stirrers and stubborn newfags is exactly what leads to the decline of an ib. I mean, why would they bother to integrate or leave the site when the biggest consecuence they'll face is 10 anons bitching at them.
No.11878
>>11875>>11876In theory this sounds like a solution but IMO you will be at the mercy of the mods, and that’s a coin flip. Being an IB mod is a thankless job and the nature of the job tends to attract certain personalities by default (chronically online types). Just look at how many LC jannies/mods are cows themselves, and what heavy handed moderation has (or rather hasn’t) done for that site.
No.11882
>>11880I haven’t been on /a/ since forever but damn that’s bleak. No wonder /cm/ turned into NAMBLA 2.0
No.11883
>>11868>Having gone down the /cgl/ -> SR -> LCF -> CC/Fujochan/etc route, I don’t feel so optimistic about the fate of imageboardsHave you heard of the new ib?
No.11885
>>11883The pirate themed one? It’s barely active
No.11889
>>11887Honestly I have to acknowledge that I'm a hypocrite because I have zero issue with cuntboy stuff but seeing a dick in yuri is where I draw the fucking line. Jail.
No.11895
>>11847>>11887Yuri fetanyl is just a big hypocrite. The lolicons harassing her are all moids but she focuses only on the fujos because she knows fujos won't hit back. Talking about fujos being male centered as she goons to gacha made by incels and grovel to lolicon men saying "I'm one of you!". Then these people act like fujos are the ones harassing himes by not writing enough fanfiction and wanting to be left alone, while they never address the lolicon straight men because these himes are misogynists who always defend real men.
No.11897
>>11886Shameless spoonfeed request but do tell more
Or if you don’t want to be blatant drop a hint
No.11900
>>11897wit instead of fujo
No.11910
>>11839im not celebrating but i'm keking because yurishitters never know when to shut the fuck up and they're annoying
No.11973
>bl anime animated like shit
>everything is fucking gacha games where its either for incels or its otomeshit like lads either way fujos are always losing
>jrpgs aren't even homo anymore
No.11975
>>11973>bl anime animated like shitHas there ever been a time when BL was getting 10/10 adaptations? Outside of the occasional movie/ova I think the animation has been consistently average.
No.11976
>>11973I don't care about gacha garbage or otomeshit, but jrpgs getting less gay burns. I need a list of the gayest jrpgs or just games in general
starting with Kingdom Hearts No.11983
>>11976I've been slowly making my way through the entire Final fantasy series and I've seen that Noctis/Prompto is a popular doujin subject. I wonder if I should just ignore this for now cause otherwise my expectations may be too high when I actually get to that game.
No.11987
>>11983Their game is literally about a no girl allowed field trip. It's strong and heavy handed with their relationship. Watch the anime shorts on youtube before you play though for additional context. It's a mess, but before you play, for the whole story, you'd have to watch.
The anime
The movie staring Jessie Pinkman
Then the game
Then the DLC (which comes with the game now in the full edition)
THEN if you want to throw your fujo reading glasses away read the very bad book that came after.
No.12028
I don't mind genderbends occasionally, as long as you are very well aware and sure that you are truly making a explicit genderbend that you will treat as "yuri".
I can take sometimes calling a ship of two extremely effeminate looking guys "Yuri" occasionally as a tongue in cheek joke.
But it does genuinely bother me when there's people who do NOTHING but ""Yuri"" of that ship. Like, they have completely abandoned looking at them as men. In the rare cases they're a fanartist, they have to mention that "they're drawn with the intention of being women" even though they are still very much men.
You like a BL pair, you're shipping men, you like men.
You can joke that it's "so yuri" but it's literally not yuri. You are shipping two men.
They don't even bother calling it a genderbend (god forbid) and if they draw a 'genderbend' it's the most woke type of genderbend possible (vitiligo, strech marks, floppy saggy tits, freckles in body, blackfication).
Like WHY is it so hard for you to just make some OCs if you're going to completely butcher the characters?
No.12031
>>12028I've seen this in the wild a bunch of times. Sometimes they even give the "genderbend" a hairy chest or leave the dick on.
No.12063
I just hate genderbends either way, whether it turns a BL pairing het or yuri. I roll my eyes whenever artists do this shit and I'm not always able to mute a term for it.
No.12066
>>12063Same. It's barely ever done right either, which makes it so bad.
The thing is that people (including performative wokes) think just super misogynist or fetishizing when it's about women so it's never actually "genderbending" and rather about turning Guts into a horny femme fatale or a cute, smiling innocent moe blob (with huge blade, so that you know it's still "Guts").
They never keep the personality, because feminization equals fetishization, horniness, weakness, naivety and optimism to them. Like, I admit there are some very rare cases of (usually Japanese or Chinese) fans that do it right, but 99% of m -> f genderbending is just pornification or moefication which is both something you expect an otaku incel to do but not a woman that claims to be fan of a male pairing. Sorry for the buzzwords, kek
No.12070
Mafia anything.
No.12073
>>12070Do you like crime as a theme at all? Like police or thieves?
No.12080
I hate sexualization of women in BL media. I'm here to see sexy men, not sexy women. Even if the author is bisexual or whatever, they could at least make it tasteful and not in your face like some trashy waifu fanservice.
No.12083
>>12080Any examples of this?
I can't recall the last time I saw sexualized female characters in any of the BL media I watched/read
No.12084
>>12080I think it's because this disgusting push to make women more prominent in BL. There isn't anything inherently wrong with adding female characters in that genre at all, or to make them well-rounded characters, but the issue lies when people want the women to overtake the entire BL aspect of the story.
No.12085
Why the fuck are the homo threads on /a/ always trying force hetshit and bisexual shit and "your male fave is fucking women"? Every single place is like this now. You can't even want guys to be gay without having to listen to spergs who need them to be fucking women and who keep trying to force that on all fujos. Yurifags don't put up with this so why do fujos have to?
No.12086
>>12085Honestly I feel like these are just spiteful anons that want to shit on fujos tbh it's bound to happen with popular threads having shitposters lurking
No.12087
>>12084I don't mind women in BL as long as they aren't there as a love rival who obviously won't end up with the ML/is delusionally obsessed with the MC or ML. I believe this an unpopular opinion, but I sometimes like it when a
hot/sexy female character in BL has her own little lesbian story going on that we catch glimpses of but don't quite get the whole story of it. I also think it can be nice when the MC's bff is a girl because a lot of non-misogynistic gay men actually do have close female friends and it does add some realism to story. All that said, I don't mind when BL has good, rounded supporting female characters but I don't really lose much enjoyment if the female characters are just strictly background fillers.
No.12088
>>12086Pretty much. I stopped going to homothreads because 9 times out of 10 a large chunk of the thread would just be ruined by some form of shitflinging.
No.12090
>>12083I posted this after playing the UUUltra C VN and getting pissed off at some shit that happened like
a male character gets genderbended and we get to see the female form's bare tits for some reason.
Another case in a manga I recently read called Vassalord which was pretty good but included
a twin sister who looks exactly like the LI but is super slutty and is dating an actual loli..
Maybe I have bad luck but I've seen this so often in BL, even when there are no major female characters the author adds a random scene where a background character girl tries to seduce the MC or steal his man or some shit (one of my least favourite tropes in BL).
>>12084Idk I've seen this a lot in older BL too and it doesn't feel like the author is trying to be woke or anything.
No.12093
>>12090I mainly referring to the recent push to make female characters in BL more prominent, sometimes eroding the lines between BL and het or whatever genre these people are looking for. Anyone that dissents is instantly called a misogynist or apparently doesn't know that bisexuality exists. If I wanted to read a story where the woman has an actual chance with the male love interest compared to the other man, I'd read queer shit or just a het novel. I blame this push on self-inserting.
No.12094
>>12093Do you have any examples? I haven't noticed an uptick, but I don't read a lot of original BL. On the fandom side there's much less "faghag" content whi h is the role most female characters were sh9ved into.
No.12095
>>12094nta but there was that teacher/student one with a het side couple yuck
No.12096
>>12085I haven't seen that for a week or two but it seems to be one shitposter who found a working bait. I think last month they got their posts nuked all at once so you could follow the pattern. What always frustrates me are the "this isn't gay" brigade who turn up just to tell people their ship doesn't count, because. Like thanks guess I'll just stop looking at porn of them? What's the motive there, because I don't think it's coming from outside, they tend to sound like the crumbsfags. On the topic of crumbsfags, I saw a tweet spouting the same rhetoric and grimaced like fuck, it's spread to twitter too now? Then I opened the thread to see what they were doing it over and it started with the same user trying to greentext directly at a Japanese publisher while griping that fujoshi are to blame for not getting good BL anime. What do you expect a Japanese social media manager to make of your 4chan ass communication format ranting conspiracy theories about crumbs and discrimination? You just make yourself look like a crazy hostile foreigner.
Guys will see you talk about a solo character mildly and assume it's something untouchably gay. Now fellow fujos will see you dropping ship names everywhere in a frenzy and accuse you of not being a fujo because tribalism. "Why aren't there any big fujo fandoms on /a/ any more?" Because you are determined to stamp them out and cry victim.
No.12097
>>12086A lot of them are also husbandofags. There's yumes who overlap who get triggered if you don't want to hear about their hetfag shit.
>>12096The last homo thread might still be in the archive and it ended with someone posting "your fave is bi and fucks women". They're also defensive of yumes as well. A joke when yumes take over the joseimuke thread to shit on fujos. There's no husbando space to be free from these people. You can never want pure homo anymore. You always have to hear about how you can't leave a female character out, or it's insulting to yumes if you don't say a man is bisexual, and don't get me started on all the "boy has a pussy" in fanfic. We can't have actual gay shit anymore.
No.12098
>>12094In terms of titles, the manhwa Ennead comes to mind where a good portion of the fandom were unironically rooting for the former wife of the MC and called people misogynists for not liking the "twist" and used the bisexuality card.
No.12099
Honestly I love it whenever a woman is floated as a potential love interest. It’s not that I want them to win per se, I just crave the drama. Is that weird?
No.12101
>>12099Same, but I'm a big fan of adultery as a theme. I want the other guy to be a homewrecker.
No.12105
>>12099I mean at that point is it even a BL if she has an actual chance to be a real contender for the MC-bowl? I personally don't think so.
>>12101> I want the other guy to be a homewrecker.Oddly enough I don't mind that, but there are people in east Asia who hate that with a huge vehemency because it's "unfeminist." I had one Korean native explain to me why BL with the woman losing the man to another man is seen as a taboo in KR circles. You would think they're into degeneracy because manhwa in particular is pretty shallow and has some edge to it, but nope, they're really critical of female NTR.
No.12107
>>12097I genuinely didn't remember it but I had a look and I figured out what happened. There was that shitpost on page ten, but before that the doomposters started whining that Pokemon hasn't had gay ships since SwSh and someone said that SuMo's story was "only about Lillie and Lusamine" and implied Guzma's only ship was with Lusamine or Chicken-chan. So I opened my Guzma folder to pick out a fanart of one of the eight gay Guzma ships I've collected fanart of to reply with, and I might have gotten a little distracted, sent a load to a friend and then an essay about how Gamefreak surrounded him with rivals, childhood friends, mentor figures, womb tattoo bestowing deities etc. in at least three different age ranges, just tons of people all connected to Guzma in some way or another who make viable ships if you want,
and yet there's enough fanart to make a folder of him with Lysander. GiovanniGuzma was a meme even before Rainbow Rocket happened, but somehow eastern fandom went fucking crazy for shipping Guzma with any and all of the villain team leaders. Including their pikachu forms from the PokeCen promo. Though admittedly the PokeSpe ending does lend itself to Guzma making croissants and I do like the patisserie studies in Kalos idea for him.
So I was way too distracted by the "waaah there's no gay, stop, the canon isn't gay, you're not allowed to enjoy this" posters and talking about boys to really notice that one post. I mean the whole thread was being derailed by /v/ no homo doomposting so I was skimming past tons. Dumb baits after bump limit are nothing compared to people completely fucking the thread up at 380 posts just to kill it. My experience is still that homothread users shit where they eat to police fellow fujos. Not to support het ships, but to shut up anyone they don't like.
No.12108
>>12107I searched up Guzma because I had no context for this other than it being Pokémon and I was actually surprised by how he ended up looking like kek
though I like that type as the bottom. Could you give us an example of your collect Guzma fanart?
No.12114
>>12113Just have to bear it like… LoTR book fans when Peter Jackson hit.
No.12115
>>12113I know that the pandemic already contributed to a wave of them invading our spaces without bothering to learn proper fandom etiquette but I imagine this certainly won't help.
>>12114I was thinking "Is this how Marvel comic book fans felt when the MCU got big?"
No.12116
>>12113Gatekeeping is nearly impossible nowadays. I'm almost glad I'm not that involved in online fandoms anymore at that point. It just keeps getting worse everyday and it's not even like making slash and the word "fujoshi" more mainstream will have positive side effects to compensate for the cancer that will happen like maybe more and better releases.
No.12117
>>12115>I was thinking "Is this how Marvel comic book fans felt when the MCU got big?"You have no idea how mad I was how Stony got thrown to the sideways for those vapid normiefag Stuckyfags that invaded.
No.12118
>>12117I was into Stony thanks to the very first MCU movies and Tony and Steve arguing all the time and I also resent Stucky for overshadowing Stony. I never read the comics so maybe I should someday but I keep hearing mixed opinions.
No.12119
>>12117>>12118I think the body horror and angst amd humanist themes of western superheros has so much untapped yaoi potential… I've actually been trying to read from western comics to give my original story some spice
No.12120
>>12117>>12118>fellow forsaken Stony fansI’ll never forget when Stony was still the top ship. I didn’t get into them until the MCU but man I loved reading Ultimates fic. 616 ones were good too. They were all great.
No.12121
>>12118Stucky really wasn't and still isn't that shippy in the comics. That's why I was very asshurt when Stuckyfags polluted the marvel fujo scene. Stony was so good in the Cival War comics
No.12122
>>12113Finally gave this a read through, starts with a decent recap of BL and slash history, goes on about why women like it, goes on about how it's not representative of the true gay experience, blah blah blah
But pic related caught my eye! YoI was an anime-original, you dolt!! DIE
No.12123
>>12122I don't give a fuck about the true gay experience or gay men's feelings plus fujoshi has been a term in western fandom for about 30 years now, not over the past decade. They couldn't even talk to a fujoshi? I hate journalists. Such a lazy article.
No.12124
>>12113It's kind of annoying but as long as filters/blocks continue to function on Ao3 I'm not that worried. Maybe it's because I'm mostly a weeb but a lot of this Migratory Slash Fandom stuff just doesn't reach me unless it gets dragged here for the spectacle (which I appreciate, it's good to be informed).
>>12116>it's not even like making slash and the word "fujoshi" more mainstream will have positive side effects to compensate for the cancer that will happenI think it's just gonna be a bunch of higher budget but derivative "look they're homos now make with the fujodollars!!!" 3dpd type shit. Planned canon homo western media just feels like chewing cud. I want something as world-shattering as, like, "what if SasuNaru had been canon?" If it's not on that tier I would rather just read fanfiction.
No.12125
>>12122So many things are factually incorrect in just this screenshot it's insane:
>shojo with BL elements, but BL manga are either actual shojo manga or josei manga because shojo isn't a genre, it's a target demographic, literally "manga for girls">Tokyo Babylon isn't dystopian, maybe the writer got it mixed up with X but even then it's not really dystopian, it's more like an end of the world scenario>as you said, Yuri on Ice is an original anime and I have no clue how anyone could have made this mistake>fujoshi was used online for much more than a decade among English speaking fans, before Yuri on Ice was a thing No.12127
>>12113I just opened the article and don't even know where to begin with how terrible the first three paragraphs are.
>>12124Canon homo western shit is shit because the males are never attractive + it's never self-indulgent enough towards the audience (women) + it's always too concerned with the true and honest gay experience + it's never edgy or interesting. Almost always two ugly male leads in a Hallmark movie scenario. Give me more Hannigram-type stuff or an interesting dynamic with attractive males please.
But there's such a vacuum for western yaoi that Heartstopper and Heated Rivalry become incredibly successful
>>12125Plus the random reference to a meme tweet and some random saying that's where the resurgence (literally what??) came back.
No.12128
>>12127These screenshots are so cancerous I refuse to believe it's real. And our spaces are going to be ruined by these people.
>some random saying that's where the resurgence (literally what??) came backYeah I was like "bitch who?!" because seriously, is this an article or some random blog post?
>>12124>"look they're homos now make with the fujodollars!!!" 3dpd type shitIf we're going to have actual queerbaiting with ugly real men you can count me out. The idiots who complained about the alleged queerbaiting in BBC Sherlock and Supernatural will regret their words once they will see it can get worse.
No.12130
>>12129>Aiden who is actually named AidenI know its a stereotype for a reason but it still sends me for a loop kek
No.12131
>>12129Seriously though, what is wrong with your brain if you think that having the hots for something means you have to become it???
No.12132
fuck me I wrote integrated instead of interrogated
>>12131wanting to be something (while masturbating) means you actually are something, duh. no way you can ever be a boring straight.
No.12134
>>12129This feels like the second coming of those articles in the mid-2000s about most fujoshi being lesbians who only liked 'feminized' men.
>>12127The 'gay experience' is part of why I rarely get in to western things. Having media targeted towards legitimately gay people is important too, but most normie audiences can't tell the difference and lump everything together under the same umbrella. The author trying to distance herself from the series' fandom origins also leaves a bad taste in my mouth, since it implies there's something shameful about shipping or fanworks.
No.12135
>>12129God that last line feels so insidious. I was never interested in red white and royal blue even before I knew the author was a TIF because I just got annoying vibes from it and this proves me right.
>>12127>there's such a vacuum for western yaoiI seriously don’t get how there are still people who won’t watch something that’s not on a streaming service. Even if they don’t want to go on piracy site there’s still live action BL shows put directly on youtube. it can’t be just a refusal of foreign shows because they’ll watch stuff like squid game on netflix. it really is a streaming service dependence. I also feel like the western public has some sort of collective amnesia or something when every new gay show or movie is suddenly “the first ever” and “breaking every boundary”.
No.12136
>>12117God as someone who got into Stony from the comics seeing a bunch of Stucky normies from the MCU calling it a "crackship" made me rage. At the end of it the MCU fucked over every possible yaoi that could have come from those movies anyway because all those actors were uncomfortable with their characters being perceived as homo.
No.12137
>>12121>>12120I couldn't get in to Stony in the MCU, which is a shame because in the comics they have the perfect level of tension esp in the Civil War run. IMO they portrayed Steve and Bucky's relationship with a lot more angsty longing in the movies, so I preferred that despite never really thinking much about it outside the movies. Now that no one is giving the MCU the time of day I've been seeing a lot of old Stony fans start writing again so it's nice having the best of both worlds (even though I wish I could escape RDJ's annoying ass face, I hated his casting).
No.12140
>>12129Atp can someone shit on her for appropriating Asian culture or something?
They're just painting over the history of something they jumped on with their shitty fanfiction gendie garbage.
The idea that bl was ever anything but a female genre for women is frankly just erasure.
No.12142
>>12129The last paragraph made me want to throw up. I can't read the whole article yet because the link in this thread doesn't work for me but I don't want to give these shitty journalists a click. Why do they keep using the word "fujoshi" to talk about western tranny woke shit? There was a time when western slash pairings still gave off similar vibes compared to what asian BL and popular pairings had to offer like Supernatural, BBC Sherlock and Hannibal fans liking the gay pairings for the fucked up angst and forbidden romance and not because muh MLM representation but one of them is a tif, or Glee fans liking their cutesy gay pairings and also shipping the two cheerleaders for real and not to pretend they give a fuck about lesbian representation.
No.12143
>>12134>Having media targeted towards legitimately gay people is important tooI think the issue is that the most insufferable fags want representation
The article prattles about how Ilya would do anonymous hookups and how he'd eat ass before being in love if it was realistic… but who the hell wants that? Gay men? There's been "realistic" gay media about doing party drugs and fucking strangers and nobody wants it because the target audience is just watching gay porn instead
Gay men constantly forget that they're still men, and it's ridiculous
The way the article points out that women like romance because the men don't act like real world men, but then going on about how Heated Rivalry would be improved if the guys acted like real world men…
No.12145
>>12143I hate it when people write male characters as whores in the name of “realism”. God forbid a romance try to actually be romantic instead
No.12146
>>12143I'm so tired of people denying that fiction is self-serving and always having to whine about everything being unrealistic holy shit. Literally nobody wants to see gross gay sniffies anonymous hookups with older men and meth and poppers in a fucking romance show. It's like normies can't fanthom not being the target audience being pandered to here. Reminds me of how antifujos constantly say that yaoi is secretly het or the uke is a girl all the time.
Also this realism criticism is so selectively applied to fujoshi or women's media. I'm not seeing articles written about men cooming to lesbians or sexy ladies like it's some sort of strange alien movement in a sudden revival. The framing of women liking a gay hockey show as alien and strange and must be analyzed while men cooming to women is just normal bothers me the most.
No.12147
>>12143Someone should tell this journalist that there, in fact, gay men that don't actually like hook-up cultural and struggle to find love because of it. I can guarantee there are gay men that actually do prefer escapist, slow-burn BL for that reason (but they would be on the fringes/quiet about it and not the main demographic, obviously). Not very empathetic now are they?
No.12148
>>12146>The framing of women liking a gay hockey show as alien and strange and must be analyzedI guess we're Bronies now.
No.12150
>>12147The show is also directed by a gay man who loved the original book so much that he wanted to adapt it. If he wanted to make huge changes, he would have.
No.12151
>>12132If their masturbation is so good it's causing them to reconsider their gender identity I need their recommendations.
No.12152
>>12147Yeah there are gays that participate in hook up culture like Katya from drag race who still loved Heated Rivalry because it *wasn't* like real life and he straight up said he wanted more women to create m/m content because it had nice endings and usually didn't have death, STDs, or rape (don't tell Katya about BL manga KEK).
No.12154
>>12127>>12122interestingly I saw some Japanese comments on the article saying it's 100 years too soon to understand the intricacies of fujoshi culture (true) and that ppl are too hung up on identity activism and representation and not separating fiction from reality. I feel like western fandom has always been incompatible with japanese fandom because of the latter part, like even in the LJ era people would write essays about how gay fanfic is inherently progressive because youre Queering The Text vs doujin culture being focused on pure self indulgent fantasies. western fandom always needs to justify its existence by being for some higher purpose which is just dishonest because at the end of the day we're drawn to shit because of our personal tastes (i.e. attraction to a character or dynamic)
No.12155
>>12154>western fandom always needs to justify its existence by being for some higher purpose which is just dishonest I just had a revelation. You know what this reminds me of? When western nerds and video game studios were trying to hard to make their video games "art" based on one (1) dead retarded amerilard movie critic saying video games can never be art because he played Pong once. And it led to many AAA western games becoming the same boring movie slop as soon as graphics and voice acting were good enough to allow that when Japanese games were either imitating them to boost sales and failing (the Crapcom era and DmC's horrible reputation for instance, or the bullshit going on with Final Fantasy games taking way too long to come out) or making fun games as usual. With BL and slash it's the same thing, Asia as a whole releases self indulgent but diverse stories of good or bad quality alike and in the west it's shit like Heartstopper made by an incompetent fujoshi in denial or Heated Rivalry. Now instead of being like
>is video game art? can it be art?it's
>is m/m good and respectful lgbtq+ representation? if not we need to change that No.12156
>>12155I instantly avoid people who use queer tags on fanfic instead of just saying yaoi, slash or the dynamics of the fic.
If it says M/M, then I expect M/M. Not some trooned out straight slop. I know, it's a mess of words. The benefit of being in fandoms where everyone is either over 33 or is too dark/hard to get into is that people who do this wont feel comfortable enough to shit spray their fake activism in the fandom. I look at some of the older, translation reliant fandoms I've been in vs newer ones with simultaneous dubs and the old content really feels like a harmony between JP and English. The same goes for works that aren't safe or appealng to antishippers. DMC only has Dante and Virgil with no alternatives that aren't incestuous or immensely fucked up. Which made casually getting back into the franchise so easy. Excluding DmC.
I am in shock that black butler got completely overtaken though.
No.12157
>>12156>I instantly avoid people who use queer tagsMe too but I barely read fanfics for this reason and other reasons so now I avoid the ones who put this word anywhere in their social media accounts. These past years I was either into obscure shit that didn't have fanart of fanfics or really shitty queerios ones so I avoided these fandoms altogether, or I got into much more mainstream anime/manga or games that have fandoms so big it's easy to avoid western fake fans and just silently follow Japanese and Korean artists and call it a day. They have their own issues among each other but I don't even see these issues most of the time.
>I am in shock that black butler got completely overtaken though.I'm glad I was always a huge fan since day one so the fans I interacted with since then were just my irl friends or some people recommending it in a forum when I was in middle and school so I only saw the weird zoomer fans from afar nowadays. They can say whatever they want about Grell being a troon, they don't realize how insane it makes them look to say the sexist gay serial killer who was jealous of pregnant women is a true and honest woman these days. I don't get the ones who complain about sebaciel though and I say that as someone who never shipped sebaciel ever in my life. Like where do they think they are?
No.12158
>>12151I feel like self inserting/imagining the feelings of someone in porn is just so bogstandard common and people are stupid so when they do this while fapping to BL they think it means they must actually want to be a yaoi boy for reals. Kind of like weebs who wish they were Asian.
No.12162
>>12156>DMC only has Dante and Virgil with no alternatives that aren't incestuous or immensely fucked upIts so funny how people gravitated to Dante/Nero before it was confirmed that Vergil was his father, and he was just some distant relation of Sparda.
>finally, a dmc ship with no incest!>a decade passes>its incestI have found that the edgier tifs do ship Dante and Vergil though, because they consistently give Dante a pussy.
No.12163
>>12162>VergilI always misspell his name as Virgil because I keep mentally going to the divine comedy.
That said, I'll take an edgy shipper I can mute over the entire community being full of fake fans who can't stomach Japanese fandom spaces
No.12164
>>12162>Its so funny how people gravitated to Dante/Nero before it was confirmed that Vergil was his fatherWere you around during DMC4's original release? I wasn't a full on fujo back then but it's funny if this had happened, because even by just looking at Nero he looks like a mini-dante so he obviously had to be related in some way, even if he ended up being a clone of some sorts of whatever.
That said though, speaking of Vergil and Nero, Nero/V was another ship that hit people badly kek I still keep seeing people coping themselves into headcanoning V as someone entirely different from Vergil.
No.12165
>>12164These fans were pissed when they found out V was Vergil all along and they shipped dadson while the game's director was liking Nero/V yaoi fanart on twitter back when you could check anyone's likes anytime you wanted. If even the devs and writers don't care or even enjoy seeing art of Nero sexily shoving his fingers in V's mouth and undressing him or some shit you probably shouldn't care either. Like you have to move on at some point.
No.12166
>>12164ayrt, yeah. The cope was that he was some sort of distant descendant, like, from a previous relationship with Sparda. This was before the novel was widespread among the English side of the fandom. In game, Dante never brings it up, which you'd think he would have, so I understand why they assumed he wasn't directly related. The other theory was that he was *Dante's* son. there was, ah, a lot of debate between these parties.
DMC4 had Credo, so like, there was an option, and the anime was airing around that time too, and it had male characters, if fans were really desperate to not ship DMC incest.
No.12177
>>12167I don't know anything about DMC but this photo intrigued me since I liked their look and now I'm just sad there's like no english fics about them
No.12184
>>12177Raeoffrecord did a few doujinshi about them, which I think may have a translation floating around somewhere.
The common rarepair agony.
No.12207
>>12154It's so different, this is why so many Western activists in anime fandoms wind up defending franchises made for men and shitting on the ones made by women. In the West cartoons are for kids, anything for adults is mostly comedy and in an ugly art style. So people who want other stories with anime become weebs but they don't get that it doesn't work like the American industry. In America a show full of girls is for actual little girls, but in Japan tons of all girls shows are for middle age male otaku. Not everything is Precure. It's even worse with gacha games, where so many Western fans think games full of waifus are for lesbians and that mixed games cutting down on the men is feminism and not because incels are threatening to commit domestic terrorism. These people can't understand not all media is made or consumed for "representation". They don't want to understand how women in these East Asian countries where men dominate all industries create for themselves and that fujoshi culture is exactly that, especially when the anime industry has always been hostile. Now Western fans who only know some shounen anime or Genshin Impact think they know all and that they can lecture fujoshi for being "male centered" as they wind up praising industries and franchises made by men for other men to fap to. Their biggest defenders are always Western troons obsessed with anime girls.