No.4907[Last 50 Posts]
Post shit in BL that you hate.
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>>2 No.4909
>>4908Omg I hate redrawn dicks with a passion. When I was younger I didn't mind, maybe I was even grateful for the redrawers "caring" about the integrity of uncensored yaoi lol, but a mix of learning how to draw, seeing how different mangaka could draw the same thing in their own style and personal likes and also growing up changed that, now I can't tolerate it.
Especially when the artstyle is soft and delicate, with thin and fluid lines, where you can even see how the mangaka drew it before censoring it, and the dick is drawn the opposite of that. That shit takes me out everytime while reading.
Obviously, I know translation teams can do whatever they want since it's their project, but the result always ends up looking so jarring.
No.4910
>>4908I hate knowing this was probably drawn by a furry
No.4911
>>4908The one in your screenshot looks so bad and yet it's far from the worst one I've seen.
No.4917
>>4909Honestly I find it downright disrespectful to the artist, they are basically defacing the work of another person.
No.4923
>>4908not sure if the dicks in stigma by doo down are redrawn but they're horrible and look diseased
No.4959
Not gonna lie, I'm still against censorship of art and will never shit on these artists like a moralfag zoomer but it does kinda weird me out when Black butler shippers take sebaciel and make it more 'realistic', like putting it into a modern setting and making Sebastian a human sex pest. I guess it comes down to how Ciel's unrealistic circumstances and personality in canon on top of Sebastian being a monster are what make the ship interesting to me and when people turn it into an actual adult human male preying on a child it just makes me uncomfortable.
No.4960
>>4956Oh this artist, I've followed her for a bit but the het content annoyed me eventually. I'm a huge incestfag (only really for yaoi stuff but I don't mind het incest) but her son/mother incest pics of her school shooter OCs just made me roll my eyes. It's a shame too because the yaoi she did with her school shooter OCs was very nice. I guess people change tastes but like, it's such a radical shift, I don't get it.
No.4962
>>4908I hate this shit so bad bro, I'm here to see the authors art, not anyone else's. Most people will just not be able to match the original style, especially when all their work is censored and we have no originals to use as reference? Even worse if it was originally drawn analog, now it's certain your redraw will never match. Takes me out of it way more than any censored dick could ever.
>>4917It really does feel that way. I know no artist really wants to have their art censored, but surely they also did not want people doing guess work and ruining the presentation of their work further.
>>4956Oh, I totally get this lol. Not the school shooter OC stuff, but the combo of finally getting into irl porn and having a boyfriend whittled my interest in BL down to nothing for a long time lol. Doubt that's anyone's reasons but my own, but for me at least it's pretty clear lol. Drawing my pretty boys kiss to fanart for ecchi manga girls whos tits are bigger than her torso lol
>>4959I do like the sex pest modern au's, but I understand you, now that I'm older and not consuming art on autopilot, all the things about their circumstances and relationship feel so special. Why removed what made it such a popular ship in the first place? I honestly don't care for any fic or doujin where they have sex. I would rather just make my own oc's at that point.
I actually really love hearing your thoughts on this, because I guess the fantasy elements are why it's able to be so popular. Because I've known many a friend irl who shipped them or didn't mind but were not generally into shota like I am. It creates distance.
No.4963
>>4956>>4959Related to bioth, there is an artist I follow who went from drawing lucemond to Violet/Count-Olaf. In a way it's a more "natural" progression, but still weird to see
No.4964
>>4962>I actually really love hearing your thoughts on this, because I guess the fantasy elements are why it's able to be so popular. Because I've known many a friend irl who shipped them or didn't mind but were not generally into shota like I am. It creates distance.Yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'm okay with the occasional shota content involving Ciel, Hanako-kun and more recently Tokiyuki from Elusive samurai just to give a couple of examples but it's not something I actively seek out. Because Amanitus wrote a good Sebaciel fic set in canon I also looked at their other fics and saw that modern AU fic where Ciel is a regular suburban kid who gets molested by human pedo Sebastian and Vincent and the whole concept just removes everything I find interesting about Sebaciel in the first place to the point where it may as well have starred a bunch of OCs. All that's left is the 'realistic' boytouching which makes me uncomfortable.
No.4966
>>4962>I actually really love hearing your thoughts on this, because I guess the fantasy elements are why it's able to be so popular. Because I've known many a friend irl who shipped them or didn't mind but were not generally into shota like I am. It creates distance.I'm not into shota either but including Sebaciel I have two "young teen/objectively evil adult" ships that have the sauce in the context of their canons but not outside of that. They are connected supernaturally and have an antagonistic relationship, which is catnip to me. "Normal world" AU would just be "oh he's a pedophile" and then naturally he'd just trade in the younger one after he grew up. Uncomfortable and uninteresting.
No.4967
>>4962Not to sound like a moralfag, while I'm fine with adult characters being abused in any way, but anything involving children cane be quite triggering to me, because it reminds me of my own abuse
No.4968
>>4967I don't think that sounds like a moralfag opinion at all. Not wanting to engage with stuff involving child characters is fine, and I think especially stuff that I deem "realistic" in its approach, ie grooming, bribing, ect is pretty squick.
I'm only interested in shota stuff if its cute, romantic, and addresses the age gap but then reconfirms it is something both parties are ok with. Especially when you've basically got an easy set up for cute almost canon-compliment shota in BB I don't understand wanting to make it gross. Like I don't think you're a bad person if you write it, that's stupid, but it's also not something I want to read.
No.4971
>>4967Nothing moralfaggy about having preferences and negative reaction to things you don't like. Everyone has limits.
No.4972
>>4967Agree with other anons, this isn't "moralfaggy" but a completely normal boundary, I'm pretty sure most people don't like stuff involving children, especially women since many of us have personal experiences with child abuse. I like a lot of questionable things but personally I can respect people finding them disturbing.
No.4973
>>4908I just DON'T understand this obsession with redrawing dicks, it makes no sense to me at all. Especially because they go out of their way to make them look as detached from the original art as possible and always weirdly veiny and rubbery. I don't need to see an uncensored dick so bad for you to disrespect the original artist like this and neither do you.
No.4974
>>4968A similiar pretty popular het ship would be Sesshomaru and Rin right? The dynamic of the guardian is the same,and Sesshomaru is a demon too.
No.4975
>>4974Yeah but that's not nearly as popular as Inuyasha/Kagome in it's series whereas SebaCiel IS the universal Black Butler ship.
Also
>Hetlol
I don't feel disgusted with Sesshomaru and Rin for similar reasons though, it feel detached from reality and most people do just like the guardian aspect.
No.4990
>>4989Hilarious picture, but as someone who enjoys Wild Kratt yaoi I have to disagree.
I guess it depends on the content of the show though. Like if you take something like Wordgirl, or even a stupid show like Paw Patrol there are perceived stakes since while the show is made for preschoolers the characters themselves are fighting villians or saving the day. While we know the characters aren't ever in danger the characters themselves are presented in situations that ino could realistically spin-off into something more serious in a fanfic.
Now if you have like Arthur investigating a murder mystery with Mr. Ratburn or Bert and Ernie suffering from AID as one dies in slowly others arms thats too far detached from the source material and too grimdark to take seriously.
No.4991
>>4989As a kid I was all over that crap, then I grew up and realized how fucking cringe it felt. Why take a kid's property and turn it edgy? Kids are online, searching this up, and having their search results mucked by loud house shota porn.
No.4992
>>4991Artist shouldn't have to worry about kids stumbling across their work on a fanfiction or art site. As long as they've rated their stuff appropriately and aren't specifically posting in all-ages groups I don't think they can be blamed.
This kind of reminds me how some fandoms on tumblr would have a sfw tag and an adult tag. For example Undertale vs Undertail.
No.4993
>>4989>>4991Yeah not gonna lie, this reminds me of what moids did to My little pony FiM.
No.4994
>>4993I guess we all have something in common than haha.
>>4992I get social media as a central hub, but god, I do wish we had more specialized spaces. I know there's ways to prevent search engines from scraping stuff without making them private right? If that was more common then we could eliminate the issue of people stumbling across nsfw while using search engines
No.4996
>>4989IDK if it's my hypocrisy or just that some fandoms are really good at threading that needle while others just make you go "dude why".
No.4997
>>4989My fandom seems to have the opposite problem, at least with art. It's always sfw fluff.
>>4991>Why take a kid's property and turn it edgy? Kids are online, searching this up, and having their search results mucked by loud house shota porn.I don't particularly care for or understand it either. You might have a point about growing out of that with age but the cultural shift of "it's your responsibility to babysit other people's kids online" sucks. They should get offline and more sites and shitscord servers should just ban minors outright.
>>4994Japanese fandom, mostly before they moved to twitter and pixiv, would hide most of their sites like this. (I actually found a page with instructions in moon for hiding doujin sites doing fandom archaeology a month or two ago.) Then they list them on "search engines" usually specific to the fandom. You could check off filters for characters, genres, type of content and stuff like that or search by whatever description the webmistress might have submitted. I included some examples but regular webrings and fanlistings would be cool too. I doubt we could convince a lot of people to go back to that though.
No.4998
>>4997>cultural shift of "it's your responsibility to babysit other people's kids online" sucks. I hate this. Every child that exists should now have a parent with NO EXCUSE for not being tech savvy enough to keep them out of potentially damaging spaces online. They just don't care and see online as free babysitting.
>most of their sites like thisOne of the downsides of most of EN fandom content being on like 5 different websites instead of individual pages. I don't think I'd trade it for a network of sites but I won't deny the charm of the secret club feeling of fandom "shrines" we used to have.
No.5001
>>4989It's not a kid show, but this aspect is something I kinda liked about Hetalia.
No.5002
>>5000>pic relkek, what is this man lmao.
No.5003
>>4991>>4989I disagree with these takes like how others have said. Paw Patrol yaoi would suck but I've read great dark fics from children's media. Why is it a norm now that kids are constantly online? It would fucked up if MLP porn appeared on Google images, but I don't see anything bad on safe search. I was 10-12 when MLP exploded in popularity and enjoyed looking at the edgy brony videos lmao. It's weird that there's a tread of people saying cupcakes traumatized them or something.
No.5005
>>5004This made me kek lol
No.5006
>>5000>'Wow I've never seen this before and I thought I've seen all of the 00s DA Sonic autism'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2017It's a thing of beauty really.
No.5008
>>4997When you say "Search engine" in quotation marks, I assume you mean link directories? I love a good directory, I tried making my own but I think I need to whittle it down…to much bs.
I went digging through fanlistings a few months ago and it was pretty fun. You'd be surprised what newer fandoms will have them.
I think a good inbetween of regular social media and fandom specific websites I think is dreamwidth. I just learned in the settings you can prevent search engines from indexing your blog. I don't really need it for what I'm posting there, but I think it would useful for others! If it was less of a hassle to post photos there, I totally would and then hide it from search lol
No.5020
I hate that the only adaptations of BL manga we've been getting as of recent are of the SoL/daily life in Japan variety. Remember when we used to get things like Ai no Kusabi or No 6?
No.5025
>>5023They kissed on the lips multiple times and swore to be together someday wtf are people smoking? I guess that's Reddit for you
No.5026
>>5008I guess so but I think that's the word they use. They usually have search in the name.
I'm glad about the fanlistings. I'd love if we could list contact info and pick up friends that way but there's too many bad actors these days (pretty much everyone outside of fc). I agree about dreamwidth. IMO, making locked comms on livejournal clones and heavily vetting people is the answer. (Not that I have a specific plan but I fantasize about it sometimes.) Moids will troll imageboards, although it's still good to have one, and tras shit up larger sites. Of course, small fansites have a lot of charm too, but that's even harder to deal with.
No.5032
I hate the denial. Like I get it, I cannot solely blame the fanbase for it but that rather makes it worse that fans comply with the deniers and haters.
I guess you can only watch so many series with "close friends" or "rivals" touching each other, being obsessed with each other and lying on the same bed and have the author go all "Not gay LMAO why would you think that??" or "Who knows? I didn't think about romances when I drew it" before you adapt that narrative and call out everybody that calls a character gay for the sake of some preventive damage control, but I hate it.
You never see this shit with yuri and especially not het, at least not to that extend. I am tired of being cautious with fujo shipping talk within actual fujo spaces or threads because someone might come to tell me that no, my pairing didn't have on-screen sex, therefore the gay scenes between them were just jokes, rivalry or myself seeing things that aren't there.
My cope? If the anime is canon then it's a series made by many people, not one. Therefore, if a scene is clearly pandering gay shit then the scene IS gay. The person directing this scene is part of the creative team and what they're conveying matters. If it's a manga it can always be a creator who is aware of the gayness but afraid to confirm it due to the backlash, or it might be a bisexual in the closet or a mangaka that copies what they have seen other, real people do, without being aware of the sexual background of it. Like how guys in the past were blind to lesbians because they couldn't imagine women doing that with each other, even if they're living with each other, touching each other and kissing.
No.5039
>>5032Imo when it comes to creators, that is that and this is this. Things like intention should just be set aside.
Frankly, I hate the "I bet the author is actually bisexuality and just in denial!" And I hate it when trannies do it too with "the writer is just in the closet/he just doesn't know he's writing trans rep!".
No.5040
>>5039I mean yeah I never did it before I just posted random possible explanations that came into my mind. I don't interact with fandoms so no idea about the shit trannies say.
My point is that I am not a celebrity fag so I generally don't care what creators do and say. But this is particularly why I am annoyed when when people treat some tweets or interviews more seriously than canon. To me the only thing that matters is the series itself. Everything else is interpretation and personal preference. If an author wants me to think or not think a certain thing then they should put it into the series or leave it out. That goes both ways. Neither do I accept characters with 0 hints and chemistry to be gay because the author says so on twitter, nor do I accept some rambling about there being no gay if characters are doing gay things or end up with rings like with G-Witch at the end. If they don't want me to assume that they're gay they should make that clear in the series otherwise I will threat it as nonexistent.
That aside people should be allowed to ship anyway even if it was deconfirmed within the series. But that wasn't what I was talking about.
No.5048
>>5032Nonna, that's just nippon culture
No.5099
>>5026I feel like fanlisting are not the riskiest place to go looking for friends, because you really have to go out of your way to find them, I would assume everyone there is there because they genuinely love the subject and want friends. A million other places to fuck with people rather then sitting as an uncontacted email in some dusty fanlisting.
As for comms on LJ clones, I am in a locked comm for BL. You don't have to be the first to do it cause they already exist so I would go looking! The only thing is that it's kinda..slow compared to here haha. I feel more relaxed posting here because I feel like my post stands out less, but I would like to try posting there!
No.5109
It's a bit related to the hate of denial
>>5032, but I hate women who won't call themselves fujos despite the fact they consume a lot of BL content. In my experience, it's either because they're they/them or aidens, but some women who still identify with their biological gender will reject the label because it's "problematic".
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. I want people to go back to embracing the fujo label with pride.
No.5110
>>5109I don't know any trans fans but I notice this with a lot of newer anime fans. They claim that BL, gay shipping or fujo series were "cringe" and only enjoyed by cringe people but the very same women then watch and enjoy harems and yuri because THAT is super cool and they are proud of enjoying it and think it made them true otaku. I hate this shit.
I know someone who brags about being a total otaku because she's obsessed with ecchi shit and K-ON which are series only the real otaku love and if you don't then you are such a normalfag. Oh my fucking god, imagine being proud of this shit in your early 30s.
The most cringe thing on earth are biased people and losers that let others tell them what to enjoy and how.
No.5124
>>5109I've met a lot of insecure women who refuse to call themselves fujos because of the stigma attached to it or even read BL in secret and post about it under some anonymous handle due to having friends who would judge them for it. It's tragic, people into ecchi garbage never have to live a double life.
No.5175
>>5173I remember reading a theory that piss on main was a dog whistle for other fetishes lol, just freaky enough to say you're not a against kink but unproblematic because pissing is harmful to no-one. I'm not into it but the appeal is one of the easiest to imagine because it has build up and release like sex.
No.5181
>>5173i really don't like pissplay but a don't mind it in a lot of art since it just looks like water and can be a decent background thing for a lot of /ex/ content, when i see it depicted in vns and your image as being yellow it's a lot more visceral and therefore gross
No.5183
>>5173Same the fact that it's relatively common is baffling. The whole thing is just plain unhygienic.
No.5185
>>5183>The whole thing is just plain unhygienic.This is what also turns me off of ass eating and rimjobs.
No.5186
>>5175>>5183It's more the aspect of humiliation rather then the actual pissing which people find hot, I'm not into btw but I get where it comes from
No.5188
>>5183>The whole thing is just plain unhygienic.I enjoy hearing someone say this because it made me think, I have absolutely zero immediate or visceral reaction to it. I don't think it's a matter of desensitization either cause I've always felt that way. I guess I'm odd, even for someone that enjoys it, because the grossness is a point of enjoyment for others?
No.5189
>>5173This and pit, feet and hand fetishes. They are all either outright disgusting IMO, I dislike the body parts on principle (human feet) or the yaoi fans make them disgusting like with the hands. I don't like hands although I don't consider them disgusting either but the way it's often drawn in yaoi or shoujo makes them so.
No.5194
Hate is a too strong word for this and it luckily rarely happens but I really, really don't like when some (usually mediocre) artist is guilt-tripping followers that "like" their art for not reblogging. When I say mediocre I don't even want to shit on it. I save a shitton of vague sketches or more "amateurish" fanart because I like it regardless. But not everybody wants to reblog 70 artworks a day so I select and only do it with the few I consider the best or funniest.
I never understood this sentiment. I am artist myself and I am happy about likes. It means that someone LIKES it. And my own reblog/like ratio is very uneven too. When I get ~800 likes you can estimate that I have maybe 120-200 reblogs/retweets. Their number ranges between 1/6 and at best 1/4 of the likes. But I never once thought "wow you ungrateful bitch, how do you dare to like and not reblog".
It's especially stupid and enraging since their anger is directed towards their own fans. I hate that the social media clout chasing poisoned so many people. Instead of being happy about fans you only view them as free advertisers to get higher pixel numbers. In the end it only makes me abstain from liking because I don't want to be guilt-tripped. And considering that their numbers always go down afterwards I assume that everybody else feels the same until they throw the towel and stop drawing. It's sad.
Hell I have art I wasted 25+ hours on that got like 20 reblogs and 200 likes because nobody cares about the character or something. I am still happy I finished and posted it.
No.5242
I don't really hate it and I think someone already mentioned it somewhere, but I noticed how a lot of /cm/ posts, especially posts relating to shota, traps and feminine teenboys are so obviously done by het men or at least het shippers or yume and I am not a fan of it. A lot of the art anons are posting with such characters are single character artworks which is sus. /cm/ is mostly gay shipping. Sure, everybody posts singles sometimes, but if certain characters with tons of shipping art get nothing else I assume it's not gays or fujos doing it, especially since I noticed pics with girls in the background more often, as well as anons that talk about shipping male characters with their waifu of choice.
I know /cm/ is a lost case and it's not a fujo board technically so as long as you don't post girls it's on topic, but can we really not have any fucking space for us. It's no surprise if there is no talking besides pic posting if half of the users aren't even interested in gay shit and just posting their pretty self-insert or trap they want to fuck or imagine with best waifu.
I feel the same way about fujos and oldfag anime fans. Both are fanatics, so back in the old days when it was harder and "nerdier" to access anime/manga both groups made up the majority of fans. But now everybody is online and participating and with that fujos (and dedicated anime fans that watch niche stuff) turned into a minority and this is why we're facing all these troubles with antis and hets disguising as trans, yume, actual trannies and all the other crap. Fujo spaces in the past simply worked because fujos were the majority of nerds participating. Now the hets hijacked our hobby and they are of course more and this is why 70% of all "m/m" fics are tranny shit now.
No.5243
>>5242I always knew gay shippers would be a minority in the scheme of things because most people prefer straight shit for obvious reasons, but anime fandom being so niche meant that we could carve out a place to be ourselves in for the most part. Being pushed out of our own spaces now that anime has gone mainstream hurts more than I expected to. Like…the internet is worldwide now, where can we even go? There's no place left for weirdo women to cluster.
No.5248
>>5242moids are much more likely to have kinks and fetishes and because of the sheer volume it's kinda expected
No.5249
I just wanna know when the deeply, deeply uncool normies became the majority in anime spaces, especially BL spaces, and I wanna know when they'll get sick of BL and sod off back to 1D or Kpop or whatever hell they came from.
Saw someone post about Baban Baban Ban Vampire on Instagram and the comments are all full of belly-aching about the 5000 year age gap or whatever. On the other hand, moids will get the sloppiest and most offensive drivel catering to their depraved and base urges and these same hypocrites will praise it as "so progressive, so inclusive, so sugoi" etc. Link to the post -instagram.com/reel/DBO1FD3ofBF/
No.5250
>>5249Why is it that shows aimed at men like Monogatari or Maid Dragon will be completely accepted among the male weeb community while female weebs have to deal with constant moralfagging? When was the last time male weebs had to worry about FETISHIZING LESBIANS or fetishizing anything at all? Why is someone even watching anime in the first place if they are concerned about an adult x minor?
No.5251
>>5250I've seen discourse about the big titty maid dragon loli and to take another example of something men like, Made in abyss discourse but I think the difference is that men are way more likely to repel people out of their spaces by telling them to go kys and the like. Meanwhile women are usually socialised to try and reason with the people shitting on them. I've gotten told off on this website before because of this opinion but I feel like those academic feminist essays about BL are a prime example of that. The women writing those essays are trying to reason with people who hate them and will never listen to them in the first place while I've never seen men do this.
No.5252
>>5251I've seen the discourse around maid dragon and MiA too, but men into those shows will just tell people to fuck off. Memes of those shows are widely accepted in generic weeb male Discord and Reddit communities.
I like academic essays in themselves because I like and am proud of fujoshi culture, but it's dumb to justify yaoi against these moral crusaders. Same with these 20+ tweet essays that tramadump when an anti attacks someone. We should just gatekeep and ask why someone is watching anime in the first if they're going to cry over a cartoon. The whole evil straight woman fujo thing vastly contributed to fandom women trooning out or adopting a LGBT identity as a shield. The only way to win this game is not to play.
No.5254
>>5248Yeah but what pisses me off in particular is that they're often gay LARPing. You see them posting femboys and being all WOOOAH IAM SOO GAY when it's obvious that it's just a heterosexual dude with dick girl fetish or a normal het shipper.
>>5249Crunchyroll and phones were the beginning of the end but I really started noticing it in 2019. Not sure what happened then, but suddenly it was like every anime fan sounded like an instagrammer that watched their first anime a week ago.
>instagram postsI told you. I honestly hate that place more than I hate tiktok. I swear the worst people on earth are all coming from IG.
I regularly see screenshots of the worst types of comments on fanart coming from there too. Like people legit not even GRASPING the concept of gayshipping or sexualisation of males and asking "why?" or asking "Why did you send me this" because they don't even understand how that website/app works and why images land on their own timeline.
No.5255
>>5250Multiple reasons IMO depending on the one that's making the comment:
>1. Wannabe otakuAKA female anime fans that think they're cool for sexualising women and liking the same shit as otaku. They ALWAYS despise gay because it's "cringe". Identify as male otaku (usually Japanese one, since they are the "real" otaku).
High chance of trooning out.
>2. Actual Otaku. Disgusted by sexualised men so they bitch about it. Generally having massive issues if they realise that something isn't pandering to them, believe to be the center of the universe. Usually blame "wokeness" for pandering to women if they are even aware that women exist, they might simply forget this and assume that yaoi was meant to brainwash men specifically to make them gay. Piss their pants in fear if someone casually tells them he's gay IRL.
>3. Classic homophobes. Self-explanatory. Will also blame wokeness for gay content and not the marketing and women simply being into 2D men. Will ironically do both at the same time, demand women to be straight IRL but also condemn when the very same women do what hets do and shlick to handsome men.
>4. Trannies. Trannies condemn everything gay because they can't self-insert.
>5. Yume. See 4.
>6. Hets in denial.Pretend to be gay or fujo but actually belong to one of the points above.
No.5256
>>5255I would also add
>7. Women weak to social conformityTerrified of being cancelled themselves. Wants to have moral superiority over other people to justify bullying. Usually hypocritical. Fujoshis are acceptable targets to them. Also usually secretly into problematic yaoi fanfiction themselves
No.5258
>>5256>Also usually secretly into problematic yaoi fanfiction themselvesYeah either that or they shlick to Shades of Gray and forced het marriage bullshit I swear I have seen everything. They chimp out if a gay ship isn't a sanitized uwu romance but are openly fan of live action in which women are raped or consume fics like that like wtf? Like a bunch of those I knew were fans of twilight and handmaid's tale or whatever the title of that series was, but lost their shit if a dude punched another dude in a fanfic, even if it was framed as bad.
The obsession with forced marriage and that shit is something that always weirded me out about yume. I don't even like it with dudes though honestly less due to moral reasons and rather because I value chemistry, and forced marriages circumvent that to force-ship two uninterested characters. I get the appeal of non-con between guys you're into, but not this.
No.5262
Not related to BL stories and shipping themselves but I hate how much infighting, whining and distrust exist within the fujo fandom.
I just want to have fun and talk about my ships, like, retweet and draw art but this is apparently not possible. One fan will start a discourse with you for talking about a ship they don't like or retweeting a pretty artwork of them, another one attacks or blocks you for shipping in an order they don't agree with or like switching, another will block you for liking the wrong character, next two block you for following another fujo they don't agree with, a different fan goes private for whatever reason since nobody ever has the guts to talk and the rest fight with each other of mundane shit.
I hate that the best thing you can do to avoid drama and blocks is to interact with nobody, join no discord, never retweet and never like either.
Maybe I am too childish or too mature or retarded, but I don't even get the problems they have. Fandom and daydreaming are very important to me but regardless of that art is still just art for me. So I also enjoy art of guys I don't actively ship if it's well-drawn. No rules, just "pretty = good". I don't get why everybody is paranoid about everything. I have 2000 followers and never blocked anybody or participated in drama. If I don't like a pic I just ignore it instead of making a call out or force 20 other people to block someone. It's fictive characters you can do with them whatever you want and nothing matters besides having fun. I don't even whine about the tranny stuff, I just won't follow artist that draw them and that's it.
No.5263
>>5262Yeah it makes me appreciate sites like fujochan even more. an anonymous place to discuss ships and yaoi without the paranoia of some schizo making a callout against you for something you said or liked, and being able to post about whatever series you enjoy without having to worry about getting engagement or catering to different fandoms if youre a multifandom account.
Though I think Im the opposite case where I take the hobby a bit more seriously and I would disregard "pretty artwork" of a ship I have no care for in favour of the shitty rkgk from pixiv of a niche ship I like. I dont feel the need to make a callout post or shit fling about how much i hate x content and that y people are unwelcome in the fandom, but i block/mute liberally and dont want to interact with people who have contradicting perceptions of canon; im too busy and tired to critically counter their view, I just want to be with other likeminded fujos that engage enough with the series to have some preferences in place. I would hate for someone to force themselves to discuss a ship they do not care about/hate just for the pretense of starting conversation and I'd rather they focus on the stuff they *do* like first and foremost rather than have a half-baked impression of the ship/content just because everyone likes it.
I also wish blocking didnt come off as aggressive, there just isnt any other feature to remove yourself from a person's proximity aside from intentionally shadowbanning yourself so none of your content shows up
No.5269
>>5263Yeah I wish we had something like FC but livelier because anon boards are the only ones I feel chill using.
I realised that I don't care about followers but people seeing art of the characters that I love and post. Sounds like the same thing but isn't. Would be fine with 0 followers as long as enough people see the fanart, not because I am the artist but because it depicts the exact image I have of my favs and I love shilling them.
Clout chasing ruined fandoms forever. One artist whines about not getting enough retweets and ragequits. Another artist complains about the exact opposite because they don't want their art to be retweeted by certain people. The next views everybody else as rivals and blames them for not getting enough money from commissions.
It's so tiresome. I just want to spread character love and I enjoy when anons casually post my art, I am not even mad when others share it on discord without link to the source (I know this happens with my stuff, but nobody ever claimed it was their art so I am fine if it spreads).
It makes me sad seeing artists ruining their art with fat watermarks or deliberate low quality versions just to avoid reposts. Sis, I don't think it's a WIN on your side if nobody saves your art because it's ugly.
No.5272
>>5263>some schizo making a callout against youThere was an anon floating around here who got some shit because she talked about a ship that was too small to be anybody but her, so there is a little bit of justified paranoia. I don't post about my more small/slow fandoms where I have a presence because of privacy reasons.
>>5262I can't blame fujos for curating their own timelines (I mute for untagged NOTPs ╮(︶▽︶)╭), but from my observation most of the infighting exists because in the last ~10 years the ratio of tw/eens:adults in fandom went from like 5:1 to 50:1. So much of my early fandom experience in the 00s was shaped by seeing that all of the really good artists/writers were Adults With Jobs And Lives and wanting to be chill like them. Now the kids have the overwhelming numbers and will gang up on fandom creators who aren't making exactly what they want. Around the time the word "anti" as we think of it was coined, these dogpiles were happening frequently enough that it began to erode the default good will of the sane/adult EN fujos and now there's just this laundry list of litmus tests everybody has to conduct to make sure they aren't stepping on a landmine when they reach out to talk about the SAME FUCKING FANDOM/SHIP/CHARACTER!
>shipping in an order they don't agree withKind of unrelated but I saw this a little while ago and it's still very funny to me, even as somebody with like 99% fixed ships.
No.5277
>>5272>There was an anon floating around here who got some shit because she talked about a ship that was too small to be anybody but herI kind of hope the site stays small because of this reason (sorry to anons who think this site is too slow). If it becomes bigger it'll just attract annoying wokies and be used as a hunting ground. I've already seen some people mention and link FC on Twitter and got scared kek
No.5278
>>5272>picrelWow okay that's just pathetic. The only good thing I can say about western fandom is that ship order isn't treated like some holy cow.
No.5282
>>5272>picThis is what pisses me off about this. It's others telling me what to think and like and even how to like it. Fuck them.
Those are exactly the people that act all paranoid and block and play the victim because someone enjoys things differently.
I mean in a sense the warning works. Because I would never buy these toys after seeing such a post. I don't want to own merch from someone who hates me because I interpret some fucking cartoon character slightly differently from them lol
It also shows that the Asian fandom is by far not as chill as people often make it out to be.
>if you bought them as pair and take them apart you will be blackisted and your name will be spread to others in the groupI genuinely want to know how a person becomes someone like this. We didn't even do this when we were 8 and these people are most likely adults.
No.5283
>>5278100% agree. I like how there's no politics in Asians fandoms, but you have to constantly walk on eggshells around ship orders and other landmines. I guess I would have people block than harass people, but it feels like you have constantly evaluate your social situation in Asian fandoms. I'm glad Americans on AO3 don't have A/B vs B/A autism
No.5285
>>5283Yeah it's annoying because I honestly just log in for the pretty art and I enjoy all of it. I was already in fandoms where you either followed silently without retweeting anything or needed like three different accounts since a bunch of groups would block you for retweeting art with the wrong shipping order or pairings (and sometimes even for being from the wrong country). I even remember a case where an artist lost her shit so hard after realising that I retweeted her art as someone who also retweets art of the wrong shipping order that she deleted her account.
I felt guilty at first, but tbh the more I thought about it the less I blamed myself. Twitter is an open place after all. If you want to handpick the people who are allowed to react either make a private account or stay away. Sorry for sounding like an ass, but nobody has the right to ban groups from leaving their houses in real life either just because you don't like their hair color or taste in music. This also includes western fans that make war to chase the wrong shippers away. No bro, I will stay and wait till you are the one leaving.
Antis started a call out on tumblr against me once, I never gave a shit, never apologized. They eventually went mad and two deleted their accounts two others went silent.
No.5286
This discussion reminds me of a vaguely related theme which is people (usually on tumblr) getting creeped out by new fans that like their stuff and go through their gallery. Like.. what??
What the fuck is the problem? Isn't that exactly how you wished a fan to behave? I love when I sometimes open tumblr and see "Activity: 99+" because some sperg discovered my account and likes every pic I ever drew and a bunch of reblogs.
I swear the weirdest people on earth are social media addicts that get triggered if someone uses socmedia the way its intended. I recently observed a fujo I know seethe about a new fan who commented on her fics from her old fandom because she apparently.. hates it? No idea. If you don't want people to like your old stuff make a new account or delete it lmao
No.5287
>>5272>picrelthere's no fucking way that's real. we need to take these twitter fujos and put them in some 2008 fujo forum so they can learn how to behave the hard way
No.5292
>>5287What puzzles me about such antis and the likes is how they even live offline. You cannot block and mute real people so how do they even get by without getting daily meltdowns? The ones that I knew personally either never had a job or worked with their parents and this is basically what I assume that all of them are doing otherwise they would learn that being tolerated requires them to tolerate others first.
No.5302
>>5292Begs the question if some of them are adhd or autistic. If I'd been a tween/teen and entered fandom in the late 2010s or early 2020s, I'd have gone down the purity cult rabbit hole too.
I'm almost 40 and even I'm not immediately immune to the moralfagging presented to the viewer sometimes. That "can't you see this is wrong, can't you see this is hurting real people?" type of guilting and shaming is very effective - hell, I'm not even openly "proship".
If I didn't have the "fandom is for creativity and unrepentant horniness" ingrained me as a 20-something in the Hetalia and Naruto etc era (2000s), I'd be arguing against almost all the proship stances and kink-positivity today. I think many young people are NEETs or they're sheltered and they grow into adults with similar reclusiveness and lack of open-mindedness (add covid and lack of socializing and 3rd spaces too).
This type of "tribe" gives you this insane power-trip to be on the "pure" side. Until you find yourself loving the wrong thing, then you either get kicked out or you hide what you love. Some scary parallels go IRL things.
No.5303
>>5302I am not sure. Nowadays all of them claim to be autistic but I have my doubts. I was diagnosed ages ago and I never cared about artificial rules, autists and ADHD are usually less prone to that since they only accept morals that seem logical to them. Autists in particular are known for NOT integrating or caring about peer pressure and all that. I surely never did. If anything, if a group acts like hivemindy I always assume that they're projecting to hide their own faults.
Applying high moral standards on some cartoons and taking fiction super seriously is more of a fundie fag and purity helicopter parent behavior IMO and I think this is the reason for why it's mainly US Americans caring about it. They grow up with paranoid parents that control everything the kid is watching and value it by "child friendliness" and other moral bullshit so the kids grow up in some sanitized sheltered environment and become the Karens of the next generation that condemn a cartoon because some character is drinking alcohol or something.
No.5309
>>5272Not to play devils advocate but iirc the dolls are made with minimum order quantity and no profit in mind (payment is just to cover production fees the artist gets no money back) and although I think its stingy to blacklist and spread around dirt on a buyer just cause they didnt believe in the same interpretations, I do understand the principle of only wanting to provide things you paid out of your own pocket to likeminded fans,
especially against yumes who would only buy one and leave surplus
No.5314
>>5272Not gonna lie, I'm so autistic about my landmines that if I spent time, effort and money into designing plushies of my OTP and provided them only with the goodwill of being enjoyed for my fellow OTP likers but soulless yumes that just want to consoom or Riba enjoyers that don't know their ground wanted to have MY cake and eat it, I'd be mad too.
No.5315
>>5303Another legit autist here, and yeah, I've always been too far in my own head, daydreaming whatever makes me feel good to worry at the time of creation if it's allowed or not. The thing it influences is whether I talk in group settings, I'll quietly keep my shit to myself and won't dare tell someone to their face that I disagree with their takes. I wouldn't chase people around parroting morality rules because I can't think how I'd handle backlash, I expect to be in the wrong and misjudge social situations because that's how real life is. It's the worst feeling to be the one stepping out of line in a social group and not knowing why. Anonymous sites are easier on the brain.
However, I have been around other autists long enough to know that there are a type who go around constantly talking to everyone and forcing their interests on them. But those guys are stupid friendly, and they're more likely to be confused and concerned by negativity than to join in shit talking? I imagine it's extroverts like them who get into publicly visible bad fandom behavior, but it'd be weird to think ALL these users just happen to be the loud side of the spectrum by the boatload. There was only ever like 2 of them in special school. Every convincing diagnosed autist I meet online has more caution, even down to not telling people they have autism until they know you. You can't fake what life experience has drilled into your psyche or something like that.
>>5309>who would only buy one and leave surplusI've done this but in my defense they sold them separately, their ship sucks, the other guy has 500x the amount of yumes, and some of them were buying two of him to sandwich the guy I like so it was already unbalanced.
It has got to be frustrating for the creator though. P4P is already a nightmare to find buyers for, but plush are way extra in effort and cost, and Genshin of all things is going to have hundreds of plush designs, you don't need to buy from the strict shipper. They're selling them as a pair which in theory should prevent stock issues, but the implication they've seen resellers? FUCK those guys, there's nothing more dickish than people who buy P4P merch and try to resell them. They're second only to the people who pick up freebies at a convention booth and immediately put them on ebay for $7 because they don't even know the series.
No.5316
This is retarded but I have this issue with most fiction because the characters that I don't like (usually the MCs because the author projects into them or has them as waifus) end up being treated fundamentally different than the characters I like (who can be everything, good side characters, randos, rivals, antagonists etc.) and everytime I get into a story I notice how it frustrates me more and more the more I watch or read of it.
This is stupid, because yeah you should expect the MCs to be the super special ones that can do everything and survive everything because many authors write a story to shill their MCs to begin with (opposed to write an epic or interesting characters), but I always have the hopes that whatever I started now might be different and it rarely ever is. If I had a taste that was more mainstream I could maybe relate and understand why the annoying ORE WA brat, the generic genki or those five mindless puppet waifus are precious but I don't and therefore I can't.
I wonder if fujos are more prone to this pain. Male characters are less likely to survive or be beloved by the writer, especially if it should be a comic or manga. The waifus never die as long as the author is male and same males also usually self-insert so the MC is save as well. It even happens in series that barely have waifus which makes it more frustrating when you see everybody else die horrible deaths while the generics are saved by literal miracles and yet the fans would still defend it and claim it was realistic.
Maybe it's my fault for not sticking to true BL. But I prefer adventures over romance and there are so few BL manga with a main plot that isn't romance and involves exciting shit or settings.
No.5317
>>5315>I've always been too far in my own head, daydreaming whatever makes me feel good to worry at the time of creation if it's allowed or notThis so much. And it makes everything worse namely BECAUSE you are stuck in your dreams. It makes it so much harder to focus on reality and knowing what's going on. I am the type of person that has never heard the names of the most popular actors or singers and other stuff. Others claim I was a liar or a kid or boomer if we talk online since they don't understand that someone could just filter and avoid 90% of the information outside or focus on the wrong one while lacking basic understanding of what everybody else is thinking and feeling.
I wish I could sperg about my pairings and series outside of anon boards. But I can't for the exact reasons you mentioned. It also makes me kinda paranoid of being accused of being evil by friends or something because I know no matter how dumb it is I will wonder if it's true because it was often true in the past because I don't understood rules and people. And normalfags will usually only tell you when it's too late and they are already venting against you.
No.5380
>>5316>expect the MCs to be the super special ones that can do everything and survive everything because many authors write a story to shill their MCs to begin with you are absolutely right nona, i wish i found more media that didn't do this as much
No.5412
>>5302Most of these people are Americans and it's the default attitude in America. You didn't notice it in the 00s because the internet wasn't where everyone was. Most of these kids aren't even neets, many of them are in high school or university. Most Americans are more conservative than you think, it's very common for them to have been raised like this and be surrounded by people like this in school for most of their lives.
No.5419
>>5412I always felt like this was the case but since I used huge discord channels for a bigger fandom I am in I confirmed it. It's almost solely US Americans. Like basically 100%.
And yeah I am always shocked when I hear it since most are in their 20s but they somehow still go to school. They're always school kids basically and behave like super conservative fundamentalist 13 year olds that pretend to be progressive for some reason and maybe that's exactly what they mentally are.
I am baffled but I regularly see some 24yos talking about parental abuse because the parents told them to wash the dishes or something. Never considered myself mature, but compared to what I am seeing of these people I was a veteran by the time I hit the late teens and their constant anxiety and fear of absolutely everything makes them look even more childish.
No.5431
>fandom thread on LC having another moralfag infight about shotafags again.
god the site is unusable these days, you can see nonas clearly trying to chime in with discussion outside of the stupid infight but its bumped out and ignored in favour of the shitty bait thats just going in circles. i dislike shota content but i dont let it take up my mind or make it a moral brigade to condemn everyone whos into it, why the fuck are anons there insinuating that shotafags are trying to make their fetishes socially acceptable or compare their interests on the same level as moids who actually act out their perversions.
No.5435
>>5431Everyone on that site is crazy combative and there are so many users with fujoshi derangement syndrome.
No.5437
>>5412As an ESL non-American can concur, trying to introduce all these pro/anti discourse talking points to my fandom has always been rightfully met with ridicule and hostility. The only people who I've seen doing it have been extremely terminally online teenagers who consume American tiktok content to the point they literally can't speak in their native tongue anymore and only speak in a gargled mish mash of English and online slang.
No.5439
>>5438>That one newfag in the fandom thread who admitted that she had no idea what Kuroshitsuji was about or who Yana Toboso is but still felt it was appropriate to have an opinion about itWill forever be my Lolcow watershed moment. I need these people OUT but the farmhands seem to be tiktok zoomers themselves so fat chance having any kind of quality control.
No.5441
>>5431Don't like shota either but tired of normie tradthots sperging over freaking drawings. They should prioritize bigger issues like troon takeovers and actually helping real women. Yea know, things that matter?
No.5442
>>5431> i dislike shota content but i dont let it take up my mind or make it a moral brigade to condemn everyone whos into itSame. I don't like it but same as with waifu talk I simply don't reply and post the stuff I like or talk about the plot. Threads are MEANT to allow multiple discussions at once as long as they're on-topic.
But I swear even /a/ has these people now, it's more likely to be fujo hate than shota hate there (though I see both) but it's anons who get offended over others' tastes and take it strangely personally. There are threads where you can't even post harmless friendship fanart anymore without one anon going full anti-gay fandom cop.
I can't stand people throwing a fit over preferences and LC in particular is so bad with this. One of the reasons for why I left it, too much negativity and ad hominem. I feel like most only go there to vent and take a shit on everything they hate that they can say on instagram.
>>5437>extremely terminally online teenagers who consume American tiktok content to the point they literally can't speak in their native tongue anymoreHoly shit so the guys I met WEREN'T an exception? First I assumed they're Anglo immigrants, but they're born here, they just consume so much shit they forgot to speak anything but English. Only seen it with zoomers but still.
No.5443
>>5441I figure it's a dogwhistle to them, I won't believe for a second that they're genuinely concerned over fictional teenagers or think that women into cute anime boys will ever molest real life kids like men do. When they're sperging out over "shota" they usually mean just fujo stuff in general because they all brand fujos as inherently degenerate pedophiles since that's the most convenient label to drop at someone's feet if you want to tarnish their reputation, even though straight shota exists and literally every heterosexual otome franchise out there has the boyish "shota" archetype included.
No.5444
>>5443>literally every heterosexual otome franchise out there has the boyish "shota" archetype includedI think this has stopped in recent years outside of gacha. When I look at random otome games now I usually see a bunch of ikemens around the same age with maybe one guy in the late teens and one guy in early 30s.
No.5446
>>5444One guy in his "30s" who looks barely older than the rest. I will never understand who signs off of such boring choices.
No.5448
>>5443Yeah this. It's an easy way to tarnish someone's reputation. It's like how gays are associated with pedophilia when pedophilia is actually much more common among hetero men, like 80% or more of all pedo crimes involve adult men sexually abusing girls, not boys. And it's funny seeing yumes attack shota fags when 99% of the anime fandom cooms to girls that look like 12. It only ever bad if it has fujos involved.
I have also seen anons on 4chan assuming that fujo equaled shota fag. When I say that I prefer adult dudes some people claim I must a gay man. Hell I actually got attacked on LC once for having an allegedly male taste. I didn't even post actual bara or anything it was dudes like Tsurumi.
I also don't take any yume that accuses others seriously as long as she's into the forced marriage trope and they are almost ALL into the forced marriage or even slavery trope. Nothing against that per se, since fiction=! real life. But double standards etc.
>>5447Second that, I love guys like that. Signs of older age but still ikemen. I hate the "s/he is old but looks like 22" thing.
No.5451
>>5448>"s/he is old but looks like 22" thingIf we're talking ancient old, literally only works for me if their personality is made of tired and melancholy, which is one of my favorite things ever but more often they make them whiny and annoying about it. I don't want it as comic relief reminders of their age, I want other characters to
feel it doesn't match their appearance.
No.5452
>>5451I like the grumpy ones too though tbh I am also a fan of the crazy energetic old characters and older occultists and that. By "old" I mean at least 35. Though I am fine with young ones too as long as they're not teens. I disliked teens even when I was a teen myself. Couldn't relate and if I cannot relate I cannot like so I was never into those 40yo that look like 20 and act like it and most of them are "ara ara"s anyway.
The only one I accept is Frieren, since the she is the first ancient-but-young-looking character I have ever seen who was actually written like an ancient character. Teens are rather the opposite of attractive to me but maybe that's just me being the shady, angry autistic guy so I couldn't relate to hyperactive brats and super social "nice" characters.
No.5485
One of the worst fanfiction squicks I have are when authors write the yelling in ALL CAPITALS or when they get too vague in referring to a character aside from their name (e.g. the brunette gunslinger, the blue eyed man, and I kid you not, there was a fucking fic where one character was referred to as "the brit" the entire time) it immediately takes me out of the immersion and I have to close the fic before I die from embarrassment
No.5486
>>5485I feel that second one, I think the author is too afraid of being repetitive with using the character's name, but it just comes off as silly.
No.5492
>>5485I entered a fandom recently, unsure if my sloppy drabbles would appeal, only to find that every lewd fic read like "the black haired put his lips to the bluenette's nape". Shocked I didn't see any orbs but I think people straight up forget the color of the character's eyes in this series.
The only fandom my brain thinks of where there's british people is BBC Sherlock where "the brit" would be so hilariously unhelpful.
No.5494
>>5485>>5492The overuse of epithets, yes! I guess since it's two males they fear all the he/him/his may confuse the reader as to who they're referring to? But then just use their name.. A fic I recently read called the black-haired character "the ravenette" the entire time, no joke.
I'm 90% sure this has been mentioned before but I haaate when fic writers slip into ooc bdsm lingo. It completely takes me out of the story and is such a turnoff. Why is this repressed fantasy-world man suddenly acting like a cringe pornsick dom on tiktok the second he starts fucking? "you're doing so good for me, I know you like that" STOP!!
I guess I just hate when smut is ooc and copy-paste feeling, like it's just a random sex scene with these two characters names or image pasted on instead of deeply woven into the world and characters
No.5500
>>5485>>5494An old fujo friend I had did that too and it made her novel impossible to read. They misunderstand that the rule of not repeating words only applies to nouns and adjectives and such, not pronouns. It should always be "he" and sometimes the name. If you are a good writer you can reduce even the names and pronouns to a minimum since the optimal case is that the reader is able to tell who is talking based on the voice they use and the flow of the dialogue.
A good and talented fujo friend I have has once written an entire direct speech sex fic of two characters and I could follow all of it perfectly, always knew who was talking because the dialogue was well written and the voices and manner of speech recognizable.
No.5507
>>5485>>5506Since we're talking about this, a big issue I have with fics that isn't mentioned yet is the formatting. Especially common are fics with one or even two blank lines after every sentence. It looks bad and is surprisingly annoying to read and tbh I usually dip out when I see it without even reading it.
Opposite extreme are block texts. A rarer but just as annoying issue I have encountered are texts that are divided into paragraphs of the exact same length. The content of the story doesn't even match them, so you have lines thrown together that should be separated by an empty line and single scenes being cut off midways. It's weird as fuck.
It shouldn't be hard I am not expecting some professional book formatting, just nothing obviously weird and distracting.
No.5508
>>5507This! I dont even mind nor care if it doesnt follow proper spacing structure, I just need the fic to be cohesive yet structured apart so im not just looking at a wall of text but not too far apart im reading a text fic.
No.5510
>>5507People who feel the need to put a new line after every sentence are typically using a narrow window where the input box makes their single sentence appear to be more than one line long. The most common factor in making it narrow is using a smart phone in portrait. Really makes you think.
No.5711
>>4907The pain.
Let's be real unless you are into shounen MCs most crushes and obsessions will end horribly for your you and your favs. Almost nobody I was ever obsessed over survived his own series and usually they die in terrible ways. And I am not even talking about bait and switching, pairing break-up or erasure etc.
Here a list of ALL of my last loves/favs since 2018 and how it ended:
>A gets partly mind controlled by evil entity, kills his friend B, eventually commits suicide because his condition gets worse and is untreatable>guy fucks his life up on purpose, gets progressively more mentally ill as the series progresses, commits suicide (AGAIN)>A gets unironically groomed by his leader B who he sacrifices everything for. Eventually B gets a redemption arc, hates his past and A, whose existence he created himself, kills him mercilessly in a fight, becomes depressed. Gets executed at the end.>Guy lost everybody siding with him, his world plagued by terrorists and rebels. Loses his shit and gets torn into two pieces>both, A and B guys get executed >fate of A and B not clear yet, was all funny and heart-warming until halfway in, now everything breaks apart and both will most likely die lonelyI can't believe that the MOST POSITIVE outcome of all of this crap is the double execution since they're at least dying together. This is the fate of a fucking fujo.
Can you imagine liking het and generic MCs and seeing all your ships being healthy, confirmed and everybody being happy in the end?
I can't.
No.5721
>>5713>one of them being whiny and 'pure' completely ruins it for me.God, same. Completely turns me off because I am not into children and it makes the relationship one-sided as fuck and the whiny character usually has the depth of a sheet of paper.
And yeah fuck kuudere. I get that people want mysterious characters but kuudere aren't mysterious to me, just boring and monotonous. Rei is the single kuudere I accept because it's the only time I have seen this trope done right and there is more to her than the silent trait. Nowadays most of these characters are just kuudere for the fetish.
No.5722
>>5721>it makes the relationship one-sided as fuckYes, I can't stand this. Fixed seme/uke roles, I can accept this, but I don't want it to feel like the seme just selfishly does whatever he wants while his boyfriend acts like sex is a chore or he's just doing him a favour, I don't want it to feel like only one party is in love with the other and only one of them ever shows their affection. I want them to have the banter that your average couple does.
Sadly the innocent uke trope is super common with my ship/fandom so it's hard for me to avoid right now.
No.5724
>>5722Same anon but I should add probably the most egregious example from my ship that I ever saw in a Japanese fanwork
>He's so pure that he had a dry prostate orgasm just from the seme making out with him for the first time! He doesn't come from his dick! He naturally orgasms like a woman!Blech, please spare me.
No.5725
>>5713I do hope she comes out with a reverse chapter at some point, considering it was mentioned that the uke was close to topping.
No.5726
>>5722i feel you nona, and im sure its not an issue just of your current fandom but a common problem with BL in general. this is why i went from liking fixed dynamics to enjoying riba, and it's so much better on this side
No.5727
>>5722To be honest I can also not relate or develop these characters. Like what's even left to interpret or read into if a character is all "waaah waaah"?
One of my most beloved pairings has a guy being rather passive too, but he's neither scared nor pure and he's a grown ass man anyway. The other dude is the one initiating everything, clinging to him etc. and he usually smiles then or ignores it if he's focused on something else.
I guess it's just a subjective issue and since I am a silent fag that never talks about my feelings IRL I can easily imagine him to be similar and just enjoy it silently or to be the guy that doesn't appreciate the lover enough (which might eventually lead to a conflict) or whatever.
If you asked me to write a text about what a whiny, pure uke or waifu is feeling I would draw blanks.
No.5729
>>5727>If you asked me to write a text about what a whiny, pure uke or waifu is feeling I would draw blanksIt's not actually inaccurate to say this type of uke's feelings may not be equal to the seme's because the trope goes way back culturally. Erastes/eromenos literally mean lover and beloved, and that dynamic was very similar to how the ideal shudo relationship was supposed to work in Japan - the older dominant party pushes his sexual desire onto the passive younger party and the passive party is supposed to put up with it out of a sort of love/pity/duty but not be horny. Obviously you can make a lot of comparisons to women's idealized sexuality or lack thereof too.
But also with Japan even before those formal shudo relationships the receiving party acting like they don't want it goes back to the Heian period. A man forcing himself on a woman and the woman putting up a front of resistance and refusal but actually being into the guy was super common in the literature. So to go back to what you said, going by this ancient fetish, the uke is moved by the seme's passion and feels pity for him that gives way to love.
An occasional thing I have seen with various ships in Japanese fic is that the description may outright say that the seme's feelings are only 恋 (romantic/sexual love) while the uke's are 愛 (the more 'pure' love unrelated to sex)
So yeah, it's coded in the culture. You could draw an interesting parallel to people in western fandom who write one character as asexual and one character as non asexual and they fuck anyway but the asexual nobly puts up with it and is not horny but just loves seme-kun so very much, but I feel the reasons for writing this isn't the same, it's more for self projection reasons than an expected cultural norm. Still interesting to compare.
No.5836
>>5831it's stupid shit, there are like 1/2 BL published with that verse, like pom(eranian)verse, the one that got more "popular" is dom/sub verse
No.5842
If it was actual cannibalism maybe it'd be more interesting
No.5856
>>5831I watched a video about this a while ago. It's too goofy to be erotic to me, lol.
No.5859
>>5842I thought it started as actual cannibalism and the 'soft' version happend later. Either way when I see cakeverse tagged, I don't click on it just in case.
But have you guys seen 'Iceverse'? It's even more depressing. The roles there are Juice and Ice and as basically as soon as the two realise their romantic feelings for each other, they die. Very emo. Reminds me of sweetpool…
No.5860
>>5842Based. They also should've not made it cake-themed because I can't help but think all of the Fork characters are like the adult version of the fat kid from Willy Wonka lol.
No.5862
>>5859>Juice and Ice and as basically as soon as the two realise their romantic feelings for each other, they dieWHAT LOL
No.5863
>>5862Check it out in pixiv dictionary here
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9DeepL translation:
>The ice-verse refers to the special setting of two species: ice, which melts when it is bound to juice, and juice, which melts ice.The name is derived from the appearance of the ice melting in the juice as it loses its life as soon as the love is fulfilled.
>It is thought to have been derived from the special setting called the Omegaverse or the Cakeverse. No.5865
>>5863Thanks for the spoonfeed. Respect for the brainrot.
No.5866
>>5865I think I misunderstood this and it's only the 'ice' who dies, not both of them… Not too sure because I never read a fic with this setting.
No.5868
>>5863Thinking about it, isn't this basically just Hanahaki Disease in reverse?