No.4907[Last 50 Posts]
Post shit in BL that you hate.
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>>2 No.4909
>>4908Omg I hate redrawn dicks with a passion. When I was younger I didn't mind, maybe I was even grateful for the redrawers "caring" about the integrity of uncensored yaoi lol, but a mix of learning how to draw, seeing how different mangaka could draw the same thing in their own style and personal likes and also growing up changed that, now I can't tolerate it.
Especially when the artstyle is soft and delicate, with thin and fluid lines, where you can even see how the mangaka drew it before censoring it, and the dick is drawn the opposite of that. That shit takes me out everytime while reading.
Obviously, I know translation teams can do whatever they want since it's their project, but the result always ends up looking so jarring.
No.4910
>>4908I hate knowing this was probably drawn by a furry
No.4911
>>4908The one in your screenshot looks so bad and yet it's far from the worst one I've seen.
No.4917
>>4909Honestly I find it downright disrespectful to the artist, they are basically defacing the work of another person.
No.4923
>>4908not sure if the dicks in stigma by doo down are redrawn but they're horrible and look diseased
No.4959
Not gonna lie, I'm still against censorship of art and will never shit on these artists like a moralfag zoomer but it does kinda weird me out when Black butler shippers take sebaciel and make it more 'realistic', like putting it into a modern setting and making Sebastian a human sex pest. I guess it comes down to how Ciel's unrealistic circumstances and personality in canon on top of Sebastian being a monster are what make the ship interesting to me and when people turn it into an actual adult human male preying on a child it just makes me uncomfortable.
No.4960
>>4956Oh this artist, I've followed her for a bit but the het content annoyed me eventually. I'm a huge incestfag (only really for yaoi stuff but I don't mind het incest) but her son/mother incest pics of her school shooter OCs just made me roll my eyes. It's a shame too because the yaoi she did with her school shooter OCs was very nice. I guess people change tastes but like, it's such a radical shift, I don't get it.
No.4962
>>4908I hate this shit so bad bro, I'm here to see the authors art, not anyone else's. Most people will just not be able to match the original style, especially when all their work is censored and we have no originals to use as reference? Even worse if it was originally drawn analog, now it's certain your redraw will never match. Takes me out of it way more than any censored dick could ever.
>>4917It really does feel that way. I know no artist really wants to have their art censored, but surely they also did not want people doing guess work and ruining the presentation of their work further.
>>4956Oh, I totally get this lol. Not the school shooter OC stuff, but the combo of finally getting into irl porn and having a boyfriend whittled my interest in BL down to nothing for a long time lol. Doubt that's anyone's reasons but my own, but for me at least it's pretty clear lol. Drawing my pretty boys kiss to fanart for ecchi manga girls whos tits are bigger than her torso lol
>>4959I do like the sex pest modern au's, but I understand you, now that I'm older and not consuming art on autopilot, all the things about their circumstances and relationship feel so special. Why removed what made it such a popular ship in the first place? I honestly don't care for any fic or doujin where they have sex. I would rather just make my own oc's at that point.
I actually really love hearing your thoughts on this, because I guess the fantasy elements are why it's able to be so popular. Because I've known many a friend irl who shipped them or didn't mind but were not generally into shota like I am. It creates distance.
No.4963
>>4956>>4959Related to bioth, there is an artist I follow who went from drawing lucemond to Violet/Count-Olaf. In a way it's a more "natural" progression, but still weird to see
No.4964
>>4962>I actually really love hearing your thoughts on this, because I guess the fantasy elements are why it's able to be so popular. Because I've known many a friend irl who shipped them or didn't mind but were not generally into shota like I am. It creates distance.Yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I'm okay with the occasional shota content involving Ciel, Hanako-kun and more recently Tokiyuki from Elusive samurai just to give a couple of examples but it's not something I actively seek out. Because Amanitus wrote a good Sebaciel fic set in canon I also looked at their other fics and saw that modern AU fic where Ciel is a regular suburban kid who gets molested by human pedo Sebastian and Vincent and the whole concept just removes everything I find interesting about Sebaciel in the first place to the point where it may as well have starred a bunch of OCs. All that's left is the 'realistic' boytouching which makes me uncomfortable.
No.4966
>>4962>I actually really love hearing your thoughts on this, because I guess the fantasy elements are why it's able to be so popular. Because I've known many a friend irl who shipped them or didn't mind but were not generally into shota like I am. It creates distance.I'm not into shota either but including Sebaciel I have two "young teen/objectively evil adult" ships that have the sauce in the context of their canons but not outside of that. They are connected supernaturally and have an antagonistic relationship, which is catnip to me. "Normal world" AU would just be "oh he's a pedophile" and then naturally he'd just trade in the younger one after he grew up. Uncomfortable and uninteresting.
No.4967
>>4962Not to sound like a moralfag, while I'm fine with adult characters being abused in any way, but anything involving children cane be quite triggering to me, because it reminds me of my own abuse
No.4968
>>4967I don't think that sounds like a moralfag opinion at all. Not wanting to engage with stuff involving child characters is fine, and I think especially stuff that I deem "realistic" in its approach, ie grooming, bribing, ect is pretty squick.
I'm only interested in shota stuff if its cute, romantic, and addresses the age gap but then reconfirms it is something both parties are ok with. Especially when you've basically got an easy set up for cute almost canon-compliment shota in BB I don't understand wanting to make it gross. Like I don't think you're a bad person if you write it, that's stupid, but it's also not something I want to read.
No.4971
>>4967Nothing moralfaggy about having preferences and negative reaction to things you don't like. Everyone has limits.
No.4972
>>4967Agree with other anons, this isn't "moralfaggy" but a completely normal boundary, I'm pretty sure most people don't like stuff involving children, especially women since many of us have personal experiences with child abuse. I like a lot of questionable things but personally I can respect people finding them disturbing.
No.4973
>>4908I just DON'T understand this obsession with redrawing dicks, it makes no sense to me at all. Especially because they go out of their way to make them look as detached from the original art as possible and always weirdly veiny and rubbery. I don't need to see an uncensored dick so bad for you to disrespect the original artist like this and neither do you.
No.4974
>>4968A similiar pretty popular het ship would be Sesshomaru and Rin right? The dynamic of the guardian is the same,and Sesshomaru is a demon too.
No.4975
>>4974Yeah but that's not nearly as popular as Inuyasha/Kagome in it's series whereas SebaCiel IS the universal Black Butler ship.
Also
>Hetlol
I don't feel disgusted with Sesshomaru and Rin for similar reasons though, it feel detached from reality and most people do just like the guardian aspect.
No.4990
>>4989Hilarious picture, but as someone who enjoys Wild Kratt yaoi I have to disagree.
I guess it depends on the content of the show though. Like if you take something like Wordgirl, or even a stupid show like Paw Patrol there are perceived stakes since while the show is made for preschoolers the characters themselves are fighting villians or saving the day. While we know the characters aren't ever in danger the characters themselves are presented in situations that ino could realistically spin-off into something more serious in a fanfic.
Now if you have like Arthur investigating a murder mystery with Mr. Ratburn or Bert and Ernie suffering from AID as one dies in slowly others arms thats too far detached from the source material and too grimdark to take seriously.
No.4991
>>4989As a kid I was all over that crap, then I grew up and realized how fucking cringe it felt. Why take a kid's property and turn it edgy? Kids are online, searching this up, and having their search results mucked by loud house shota porn.
No.4992
>>4991Artist shouldn't have to worry about kids stumbling across their work on a fanfiction or art site. As long as they've rated their stuff appropriately and aren't specifically posting in all-ages groups I don't think they can be blamed.
This kind of reminds me how some fandoms on tumblr would have a sfw tag and an adult tag. For example Undertale vs Undertail.
No.4993
>>4989>>4991Yeah not gonna lie, this reminds me of what moids did to My little pony FiM.
No.4994
>>4993I guess we all have something in common than haha.
>>4992I get social media as a central hub, but god, I do wish we had more specialized spaces. I know there's ways to prevent search engines from scraping stuff without making them private right? If that was more common then we could eliminate the issue of people stumbling across nsfw while using search engines
No.4996
>>4989IDK if it's my hypocrisy or just that some fandoms are really good at threading that needle while others just make you go "dude why".
No.4997
>>4989My fandom seems to have the opposite problem, at least with art. It's always sfw fluff.
>>4991>Why take a kid's property and turn it edgy? Kids are online, searching this up, and having their search results mucked by loud house shota porn.I don't particularly care for or understand it either. You might have a point about growing out of that with age but the cultural shift of "it's your responsibility to babysit other people's kids online" sucks. They should get offline and more sites and shitscord servers should just ban minors outright.
>>4994Japanese fandom, mostly before they moved to twitter and pixiv, would hide most of their sites like this. (I actually found a page with instructions in moon for hiding doujin sites doing fandom archaeology a month or two ago.) Then they list them on "search engines" usually specific to the fandom. You could check off filters for characters, genres, type of content and stuff like that or search by whatever description the webmistress might have submitted. I included some examples but regular webrings and fanlistings would be cool too. I doubt we could convince a lot of people to go back to that though.
No.4998
>>4997>cultural shift of "it's your responsibility to babysit other people's kids online" sucks. I hate this. Every child that exists should now have a parent with NO EXCUSE for not being tech savvy enough to keep them out of potentially damaging spaces online. They just don't care and see online as free babysitting.
>most of their sites like thisOne of the downsides of most of EN fandom content being on like 5 different websites instead of individual pages. I don't think I'd trade it for a network of sites but I won't deny the charm of the secret club feeling of fandom "shrines" we used to have.
No.5001
>>4989It's not a kid show, but this aspect is something I kinda liked about Hetalia.
No.5002
>>5000>pic relkek, what is this man lmao.
No.5003
>>4991>>4989I disagree with these takes like how others have said. Paw Patrol yaoi would suck but I've read great dark fics from children's media. Why is it a norm now that kids are constantly online? It would fucked up if MLP porn appeared on Google images, but I don't see anything bad on safe search. I was 10-12 when MLP exploded in popularity and enjoyed looking at the edgy brony videos lmao. It's weird that there's a tread of people saying cupcakes traumatized them or something.
No.5005
>>5004This made me kek lol
No.5006
>>5000>'Wow I've never seen this before and I thought I've seen all of the 00s DA Sonic autism'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2017It's a thing of beauty really.
No.5008
>>4997When you say "Search engine" in quotation marks, I assume you mean link directories? I love a good directory, I tried making my own but I think I need to whittle it down…to much bs.
I went digging through fanlistings a few months ago and it was pretty fun. You'd be surprised what newer fandoms will have them.
I think a good inbetween of regular social media and fandom specific websites I think is dreamwidth. I just learned in the settings you can prevent search engines from indexing your blog. I don't really need it for what I'm posting there, but I think it would useful for others! If it was less of a hassle to post photos there, I totally would and then hide it from search lol
No.5020
I hate that the only adaptations of BL manga we've been getting as of recent are of the SoL/daily life in Japan variety. Remember when we used to get things like Ai no Kusabi or No 6?
No.5025
>>5023They kissed on the lips multiple times and swore to be together someday wtf are people smoking? I guess that's Reddit for you
No.5026
>>5008I guess so but I think that's the word they use. They usually have search in the name.
I'm glad about the fanlistings. I'd love if we could list contact info and pick up friends that way but there's too many bad actors these days (pretty much everyone outside of fc). I agree about dreamwidth. IMO, making locked comms on livejournal clones and heavily vetting people is the answer. (Not that I have a specific plan but I fantasize about it sometimes.) Moids will troll imageboards, although it's still good to have one, and tras shit up larger sites. Of course, small fansites have a lot of charm too, but that's even harder to deal with.
No.5032
I hate the denial. Like I get it, I cannot solely blame the fanbase for it but that rather makes it worse that fans comply with the deniers and haters.
I guess you can only watch so many series with "close friends" or "rivals" touching each other, being obsessed with each other and lying on the same bed and have the author go all "Not gay LMAO why would you think that??" or "Who knows? I didn't think about romances when I drew it" before you adapt that narrative and call out everybody that calls a character gay for the sake of some preventive damage control, but I hate it.
You never see this shit with yuri and especially not het, at least not to that extend. I am tired of being cautious with fujo shipping talk within actual fujo spaces or threads because someone might come to tell me that no, my pairing didn't have on-screen sex, therefore the gay scenes between them were just jokes, rivalry or myself seeing things that aren't there.
My cope? If the anime is canon then it's a series made by many people, not one. Therefore, if a scene is clearly pandering gay shit then the scene IS gay. The person directing this scene is part of the creative team and what they're conveying matters. If it's a manga it can always be a creator who is aware of the gayness but afraid to confirm it due to the backlash, or it might be a bisexual in the closet or a mangaka that copies what they have seen other, real people do, without being aware of the sexual background of it. Like how guys in the past were blind to lesbians because they couldn't imagine women doing that with each other, even if they're living with each other, touching each other and kissing.
No.5039
>>5032Imo when it comes to creators, that is that and this is this. Things like intention should just be set aside.
Frankly, I hate the "I bet the author is actually bisexuality and just in denial!" And I hate it when trannies do it too with "the writer is just in the closet/he just doesn't know he's writing trans rep!".
No.5040
>>5039I mean yeah I never did it before I just posted random possible explanations that came into my mind. I don't interact with fandoms so no idea about the shit trannies say.
My point is that I am not a celebrity fag so I generally don't care what creators do and say. But this is particularly why I am annoyed when when people treat some tweets or interviews more seriously than canon. To me the only thing that matters is the series itself. Everything else is interpretation and personal preference. If an author wants me to think or not think a certain thing then they should put it into the series or leave it out. That goes both ways. Neither do I accept characters with 0 hints and chemistry to be gay because the author says so on twitter, nor do I accept some rambling about there being no gay if characters are doing gay things or end up with rings like with G-Witch at the end. If they don't want me to assume that they're gay they should make that clear in the series otherwise I will threat it as nonexistent.
That aside people should be allowed to ship anyway even if it was deconfirmed within the series. But that wasn't what I was talking about.
No.5048
>>5032Nonna, that's just nippon culture
No.5099
>>5026I feel like fanlisting are not the riskiest place to go looking for friends, because you really have to go out of your way to find them, I would assume everyone there is there because they genuinely love the subject and want friends. A million other places to fuck with people rather then sitting as an uncontacted email in some dusty fanlisting.
As for comms on LJ clones, I am in a locked comm for BL. You don't have to be the first to do it cause they already exist so I would go looking! The only thing is that it's kinda..slow compared to here haha. I feel more relaxed posting here because I feel like my post stands out less, but I would like to try posting there!
No.5109
It's a bit related to the hate of denial
>>5032, but I hate women who won't call themselves fujos despite the fact they consume a lot of BL content. In my experience, it's either because they're they/them or aidens, but some women who still identify with their biological gender will reject the label because it's "problematic".
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. I want people to go back to embracing the fujo label with pride.
No.5110
>>5109I don't know any trans fans but I notice this with a lot of newer anime fans. They claim that BL, gay shipping or fujo series were "cringe" and only enjoyed by cringe people but the very same women then watch and enjoy harems and yuri because THAT is super cool and they are proud of enjoying it and think it made them true otaku. I hate this shit.
I know someone who brags about being a total otaku because she's obsessed with ecchi shit and K-ON which are series only the real otaku love and if you don't then you are such a normalfag. Oh my fucking god, imagine being proud of this shit in your early 30s.
The most cringe thing on earth are biased people and losers that let others tell them what to enjoy and how.
No.5124
>>5109I've met a lot of insecure women who refuse to call themselves fujos because of the stigma attached to it or even read BL in secret and post about it under some anonymous handle due to having friends who would judge them for it. It's tragic, people into ecchi garbage never have to live a double life.
No.5175
>>5173I remember reading a theory that piss on main was a dog whistle for other fetishes lol, just freaky enough to say you're not a against kink but unproblematic because pissing is harmful to no-one. I'm not into it but the appeal is one of the easiest to imagine because it has build up and release like sex.
No.5181
>>5173i really don't like pissplay but a don't mind it in a lot of art since it just looks like water and can be a decent background thing for a lot of /ex/ content, when i see it depicted in vns and your image as being yellow it's a lot more visceral and therefore gross
No.5183
>>5173Same the fact that it's relatively common is baffling. The whole thing is just plain unhygienic.
No.5185
>>5183>The whole thing is just plain unhygienic.This is what also turns me off of ass eating and rimjobs.
No.5186
>>5175>>5183It's more the aspect of humiliation rather then the actual pissing which people find hot, I'm not into btw but I get where it comes from
No.5188
>>5183>The whole thing is just plain unhygienic.I enjoy hearing someone say this because it made me think, I have absolutely zero immediate or visceral reaction to it. I don't think it's a matter of desensitization either cause I've always felt that way. I guess I'm odd, even for someone that enjoys it, because the grossness is a point of enjoyment for others?
No.5189
>>5173This and pit, feet and hand fetishes. They are all either outright disgusting IMO, I dislike the body parts on principle (human feet) or the yaoi fans make them disgusting like with the hands. I don't like hands although I don't consider them disgusting either but the way it's often drawn in yaoi or shoujo makes them so.
No.5194
Hate is a too strong word for this and it luckily rarely happens but I really, really don't like when some (usually mediocre) artist is guilt-tripping followers that "like" their art for not reblogging. When I say mediocre I don't even want to shit on it. I save a shitton of vague sketches or more "amateurish" fanart because I like it regardless. But not everybody wants to reblog 70 artworks a day so I select and only do it with the few I consider the best or funniest.
I never understood this sentiment. I am artist myself and I am happy about likes. It means that someone LIKES it. And my own reblog/like ratio is very uneven too. When I get ~800 likes you can estimate that I have maybe 120-200 reblogs/retweets. Their number ranges between 1/6 and at best 1/4 of the likes. But I never once thought "wow you ungrateful bitch, how do you dare to like and not reblog".
It's especially stupid and enraging since their anger is directed towards their own fans. I hate that the social media clout chasing poisoned so many people. Instead of being happy about fans you only view them as free advertisers to get higher pixel numbers. In the end it only makes me abstain from liking because I don't want to be guilt-tripped. And considering that their numbers always go down afterwards I assume that everybody else feels the same until they throw the towel and stop drawing. It's sad.
Hell I have art I wasted 25+ hours on that got like 20 reblogs and 200 likes because nobody cares about the character or something. I am still happy I finished and posted it.
No.5242
I don't really hate it and I think someone already mentioned it somewhere, but I noticed how a lot of /cm/ posts, especially posts relating to shota, traps and feminine teenboys are so obviously done by het men or at least het shippers or yume and I am not a fan of it. A lot of the art anons are posting with such characters are single character artworks which is sus. /cm/ is mostly gay shipping. Sure, everybody posts singles sometimes, but if certain characters with tons of shipping art get nothing else I assume it's not gays or fujos doing it, especially since I noticed pics with girls in the background more often, as well as anons that talk about shipping male characters with their waifu of choice.
I know /cm/ is a lost case and it's not a fujo board technically so as long as you don't post girls it's on topic, but can we really not have any fucking space for us. It's no surprise if there is no talking besides pic posting if half of the users aren't even interested in gay shit and just posting their pretty self-insert or trap they want to fuck or imagine with best waifu.
I feel the same way about fujos and oldfag anime fans. Both are fanatics, so back in the old days when it was harder and "nerdier" to access anime/manga both groups made up the majority of fans. But now everybody is online and participating and with that fujos (and dedicated anime fans that watch niche stuff) turned into a minority and this is why we're facing all these troubles with antis and hets disguising as trans, yume, actual trannies and all the other crap. Fujo spaces in the past simply worked because fujos were the majority of nerds participating. Now the hets hijacked our hobby and they are of course more and this is why 70% of all "m/m" fics are tranny shit now.
No.5243
>>5242I always knew gay shippers would be a minority in the scheme of things because most people prefer straight shit for obvious reasons, but anime fandom being so niche meant that we could carve out a place to be ourselves in for the most part. Being pushed out of our own spaces now that anime has gone mainstream hurts more than I expected to. Like…the internet is worldwide now, where can we even go? There's no place left for weirdo women to cluster.
No.5248
>>5242moids are much more likely to have kinks and fetishes and because of the sheer volume it's kinda expected
No.5249
I just wanna know when the deeply, deeply uncool normies became the majority in anime spaces, especially BL spaces, and I wanna know when they'll get sick of BL and sod off back to 1D or Kpop or whatever hell they came from.
Saw someone post about Baban Baban Ban Vampire on Instagram and the comments are all full of belly-aching about the 5000 year age gap or whatever. On the other hand, moids will get the sloppiest and most offensive drivel catering to their depraved and base urges and these same hypocrites will praise it as "so progressive, so inclusive, so sugoi" etc. Link to the post -instagram.com/reel/DBO1FD3ofBF/
No.5250
>>5249Why is it that shows aimed at men like Monogatari or Maid Dragon will be completely accepted among the male weeb community while female weebs have to deal with constant moralfagging? When was the last time male weebs had to worry about FETISHIZING LESBIANS or fetishizing anything at all? Why is someone even watching anime in the first place if they are concerned about an adult x minor?
No.5251
>>5250I've seen discourse about the big titty maid dragon loli and to take another example of something men like, Made in abyss discourse but I think the difference is that men are way more likely to repel people out of their spaces by telling them to go kys and the like. Meanwhile women are usually socialised to try and reason with the people shitting on them. I've gotten told off on this website before because of this opinion but I feel like those academic feminist essays about BL are a prime example of that. The women writing those essays are trying to reason with people who hate them and will never listen to them in the first place while I've never seen men do this.
No.5252
>>5251I've seen the discourse around maid dragon and MiA too, but men into those shows will just tell people to fuck off. Memes of those shows are widely accepted in generic weeb male Discord and Reddit communities.
I like academic essays in themselves because I like and am proud of fujoshi culture, but it's dumb to justify yaoi against these moral crusaders. Same with these 20+ tweet essays that tramadump when an anti attacks someone. We should just gatekeep and ask why someone is watching anime in the first if they're going to cry over a cartoon. The whole evil straight woman fujo thing vastly contributed to fandom women trooning out or adopting a LGBT identity as a shield. The only way to win this game is not to play.
No.5254
>>5248Yeah but what pisses me off in particular is that they're often gay LARPing. You see them posting femboys and being all WOOOAH IAM SOO GAY when it's obvious that it's just a heterosexual dude with dick girl fetish or a normal het shipper.
>>5249Crunchyroll and phones were the beginning of the end but I really started noticing it in 2019. Not sure what happened then, but suddenly it was like every anime fan sounded like an instagrammer that watched their first anime a week ago.
>instagram postsI told you. I honestly hate that place more than I hate tiktok. I swear the worst people on earth are all coming from IG.
I regularly see screenshots of the worst types of comments on fanart coming from there too. Like people legit not even GRASPING the concept of gayshipping or sexualisation of males and asking "why?" or asking "Why did you send me this" because they don't even understand how that website/app works and why images land on their own timeline.
No.5255
>>5250Multiple reasons IMO depending on the one that's making the comment:
>1. Wannabe otakuAKA female anime fans that think they're cool for sexualising women and liking the same shit as otaku. They ALWAYS despise gay because it's "cringe". Identify as male otaku (usually Japanese one, since they are the "real" otaku).
High chance of trooning out.
>2. Actual Otaku. Disgusted by sexualised men so they bitch about it. Generally having massive issues if they realise that something isn't pandering to them, believe to be the center of the universe. Usually blame "wokeness" for pandering to women if they are even aware that women exist, they might simply forget this and assume that yaoi was meant to brainwash men specifically to make them gay. Piss their pants in fear if someone casually tells them he's gay IRL.
>3. Classic homophobes. Self-explanatory. Will also blame wokeness for gay content and not the marketing and women simply being into 2D men. Will ironically do both at the same time, demand women to be straight IRL but also condemn when the very same women do what hets do and shlick to handsome men.
>4. Trannies. Trannies condemn everything gay because they can't self-insert.
>5. Yume. See 4.
>6. Hets in denial.Pretend to be gay or fujo but actually belong to one of the points above.
No.5256
>>5255I would also add
>7. Women weak to social conformityTerrified of being cancelled themselves. Wants to have moral superiority over other people to justify bullying. Usually hypocritical. Fujoshis are acceptable targets to them. Also usually secretly into problematic yaoi fanfiction themselves
No.5258
>>5256>Also usually secretly into problematic yaoi fanfiction themselvesYeah either that or they shlick to Shades of Gray and forced het marriage bullshit I swear I have seen everything. They chimp out if a gay ship isn't a sanitized uwu romance but are openly fan of live action in which women are raped or consume fics like that like wtf? Like a bunch of those I knew were fans of twilight and handmaid's tale or whatever the title of that series was, but lost their shit if a dude punched another dude in a fanfic, even if it was framed as bad.
The obsession with forced marriage and that shit is something that always weirded me out about yume. I don't even like it with dudes though honestly less due to moral reasons and rather because I value chemistry, and forced marriages circumvent that to force-ship two uninterested characters. I get the appeal of non-con between guys you're into, but not this.
No.5262
Not related to BL stories and shipping themselves but I hate how much infighting, whining and distrust exist within the fujo fandom.
I just want to have fun and talk about my ships, like, retweet and draw art but this is apparently not possible. One fan will start a discourse with you for talking about a ship they don't like or retweeting a pretty artwork of them, another one attacks or blocks you for shipping in an order they don't agree with or like switching, another will block you for liking the wrong character, next two block you for following another fujo they don't agree with, a different fan goes private for whatever reason since nobody ever has the guts to talk and the rest fight with each other of mundane shit.
I hate that the best thing you can do to avoid drama and blocks is to interact with nobody, join no discord, never retweet and never like either.
Maybe I am too childish or too mature or retarded, but I don't even get the problems they have. Fandom and daydreaming are very important to me but regardless of that art is still just art for me. So I also enjoy art of guys I don't actively ship if it's well-drawn. No rules, just "pretty = good". I don't get why everybody is paranoid about everything. I have 2000 followers and never blocked anybody or participated in drama. If I don't like a pic I just ignore it instead of making a call out or force 20 other people to block someone. It's fictive characters you can do with them whatever you want and nothing matters besides having fun. I don't even whine about the tranny stuff, I just won't follow artist that draw them and that's it.
No.5263
>>5262Yeah it makes me appreciate sites like fujochan even more. an anonymous place to discuss ships and yaoi without the paranoia of some schizo making a callout against you for something you said or liked, and being able to post about whatever series you enjoy without having to worry about getting engagement or catering to different fandoms if youre a multifandom account.
Though I think Im the opposite case where I take the hobby a bit more seriously and I would disregard "pretty artwork" of a ship I have no care for in favour of the shitty rkgk from pixiv of a niche ship I like. I dont feel the need to make a callout post or shit fling about how much i hate x content and that y people are unwelcome in the fandom, but i block/mute liberally and dont want to interact with people who have contradicting perceptions of canon; im too busy and tired to critically counter their view, I just want to be with other likeminded fujos that engage enough with the series to have some preferences in place. I would hate for someone to force themselves to discuss a ship they do not care about/hate just for the pretense of starting conversation and I'd rather they focus on the stuff they *do* like first and foremost rather than have a half-baked impression of the ship/content just because everyone likes it.
I also wish blocking didnt come off as aggressive, there just isnt any other feature to remove yourself from a person's proximity aside from intentionally shadowbanning yourself so none of your content shows up
No.5269
>>5263Yeah I wish we had something like FC but livelier because anon boards are the only ones I feel chill using.
I realised that I don't care about followers but people seeing art of the characters that I love and post. Sounds like the same thing but isn't. Would be fine with 0 followers as long as enough people see the fanart, not because I am the artist but because it depicts the exact image I have of my favs and I love shilling them.
Clout chasing ruined fandoms forever. One artist whines about not getting enough retweets and ragequits. Another artist complains about the exact opposite because they don't want their art to be retweeted by certain people. The next views everybody else as rivals and blames them for not getting enough money from commissions.
It's so tiresome. I just want to spread character love and I enjoy when anons casually post my art, I am not even mad when others share it on discord without link to the source (I know this happens with my stuff, but nobody ever claimed it was their art so I am fine if it spreads).
It makes me sad seeing artists ruining their art with fat watermarks or deliberate low quality versions just to avoid reposts. Sis, I don't think it's a WIN on your side if nobody saves your art because it's ugly.
No.5272
>>5263>some schizo making a callout against youThere was an anon floating around here who got some shit because she talked about a ship that was too small to be anybody but her, so there is a little bit of justified paranoia. I don't post about my more small/slow fandoms where I have a presence because of privacy reasons.
>>5262I can't blame fujos for curating their own timelines (I mute for untagged NOTPs ╮(︶▽︶)╭), but from my observation most of the infighting exists because in the last ~10 years the ratio of tw/eens:adults in fandom went from like 5:1 to 50:1. So much of my early fandom experience in the 00s was shaped by seeing that all of the really good artists/writers were Adults With Jobs And Lives and wanting to be chill like them. Now the kids have the overwhelming numbers and will gang up on fandom creators who aren't making exactly what they want. Around the time the word "anti" as we think of it was coined, these dogpiles were happening frequently enough that it began to erode the default good will of the sane/adult EN fujos and now there's just this laundry list of litmus tests everybody has to conduct to make sure they aren't stepping on a landmine when they reach out to talk about the SAME FUCKING FANDOM/SHIP/CHARACTER!
>shipping in an order they don't agree withKind of unrelated but I saw this a little while ago and it's still very funny to me, even as somebody with like 99% fixed ships.
No.5277
>>5272>There was an anon floating around here who got some shit because she talked about a ship that was too small to be anybody but herI kind of hope the site stays small because of this reason (sorry to anons who think this site is too slow). If it becomes bigger it'll just attract annoying wokies and be used as a hunting ground. I've already seen some people mention and link FC on Twitter and got scared kek
No.5278
>>5272>picrelWow okay that's just pathetic. The only good thing I can say about western fandom is that ship order isn't treated like some holy cow.
No.5282
>>5272>picThis is what pisses me off about this. It's others telling me what to think and like and even how to like it. Fuck them.
Those are exactly the people that act all paranoid and block and play the victim because someone enjoys things differently.
I mean in a sense the warning works. Because I would never buy these toys after seeing such a post. I don't want to own merch from someone who hates me because I interpret some fucking cartoon character slightly differently from them lol
It also shows that the Asian fandom is by far not as chill as people often make it out to be.
>if you bought them as pair and take them apart you will be blackisted and your name will be spread to others in the groupI genuinely want to know how a person becomes someone like this. We didn't even do this when we were 8 and these people are most likely adults.
No.5283
>>5278100% agree. I like how there's no politics in Asians fandoms, but you have to constantly walk on eggshells around ship orders and other landmines. I guess I would have people block than harass people, but it feels like you have constantly evaluate your social situation in Asian fandoms. I'm glad Americans on AO3 don't have A/B vs B/A autism
No.5285
>>5283Yeah it's annoying because I honestly just log in for the pretty art and I enjoy all of it. I was already in fandoms where you either followed silently without retweeting anything or needed like three different accounts since a bunch of groups would block you for retweeting art with the wrong shipping order or pairings (and sometimes even for being from the wrong country). I even remember a case where an artist lost her shit so hard after realising that I retweeted her art as someone who also retweets art of the wrong shipping order that she deleted her account.
I felt guilty at first, but tbh the more I thought about it the less I blamed myself. Twitter is an open place after all. If you want to handpick the people who are allowed to react either make a private account or stay away. Sorry for sounding like an ass, but nobody has the right to ban groups from leaving their houses in real life either just because you don't like their hair color or taste in music. This also includes western fans that make war to chase the wrong shippers away. No bro, I will stay and wait till you are the one leaving.
Antis started a call out on tumblr against me once, I never gave a shit, never apologized. They eventually went mad and two deleted their accounts two others went silent.
No.5286
This discussion reminds me of a vaguely related theme which is people (usually on tumblr) getting creeped out by new fans that like their stuff and go through their gallery. Like.. what??
What the fuck is the problem? Isn't that exactly how you wished a fan to behave? I love when I sometimes open tumblr and see "Activity: 99+" because some sperg discovered my account and likes every pic I ever drew and a bunch of reblogs.
I swear the weirdest people on earth are social media addicts that get triggered if someone uses socmedia the way its intended. I recently observed a fujo I know seethe about a new fan who commented on her fics from her old fandom because she apparently.. hates it? No idea. If you don't want people to like your old stuff make a new account or delete it lmao
No.5287
>>5272>picrelthere's no fucking way that's real. we need to take these twitter fujos and put them in some 2008 fujo forum so they can learn how to behave the hard way
No.5292
>>5287What puzzles me about such antis and the likes is how they even live offline. You cannot block and mute real people so how do they even get by without getting daily meltdowns? The ones that I knew personally either never had a job or worked with their parents and this is basically what I assume that all of them are doing otherwise they would learn that being tolerated requires them to tolerate others first.
No.5302
>>5292Begs the question if some of them are adhd or autistic. If I'd been a tween/teen and entered fandom in the late 2010s or early 2020s, I'd have gone down the purity cult rabbit hole too.
I'm almost 40 and even I'm not immediately immune to the moralfagging presented to the viewer sometimes. That "can't you see this is wrong, can't you see this is hurting real people?" type of guilting and shaming is very effective - hell, I'm not even openly "proship".
If I didn't have the "fandom is for creativity and unrepentant horniness" ingrained me as a 20-something in the Hetalia and Naruto etc era (2000s), I'd be arguing against almost all the proship stances and kink-positivity today. I think many young people are NEETs or they're sheltered and they grow into adults with similar reclusiveness and lack of open-mindedness (add covid and lack of socializing and 3rd spaces too).
This type of "tribe" gives you this insane power-trip to be on the "pure" side. Until you find yourself loving the wrong thing, then you either get kicked out or you hide what you love. Some scary parallels go IRL things.
No.5303
>>5302I am not sure. Nowadays all of them claim to be autistic but I have my doubts. I was diagnosed ages ago and I never cared about artificial rules, autists and ADHD are usually less prone to that since they only accept morals that seem logical to them. Autists in particular are known for NOT integrating or caring about peer pressure and all that. I surely never did. If anything, if a group acts like hivemindy I always assume that they're projecting to hide their own faults.
Applying high moral standards on some cartoons and taking fiction super seriously is more of a fundie fag and purity helicopter parent behavior IMO and I think this is the reason for why it's mainly US Americans caring about it. They grow up with paranoid parents that control everything the kid is watching and value it by "child friendliness" and other moral bullshit so the kids grow up in some sanitized sheltered environment and become the Karens of the next generation that condemn a cartoon because some character is drinking alcohol or something.
No.5309
>>5272Not to play devils advocate but iirc the dolls are made with minimum order quantity and no profit in mind (payment is just to cover production fees the artist gets no money back) and although I think its stingy to blacklist and spread around dirt on a buyer just cause they didnt believe in the same interpretations, I do understand the principle of only wanting to provide things you paid out of your own pocket to likeminded fans,
especially against yumes who would only buy one and leave surplus
No.5314
>>5272Not gonna lie, I'm so autistic about my landmines that if I spent time, effort and money into designing plushies of my OTP and provided them only with the goodwill of being enjoyed for my fellow OTP likers but soulless yumes that just want to consoom or Riba enjoyers that don't know their ground wanted to have MY cake and eat it, I'd be mad too.
No.5315
>>5303Another legit autist here, and yeah, I've always been too far in my own head, daydreaming whatever makes me feel good to worry at the time of creation if it's allowed or not. The thing it influences is whether I talk in group settings, I'll quietly keep my shit to myself and won't dare tell someone to their face that I disagree with their takes. I wouldn't chase people around parroting morality rules because I can't think how I'd handle backlash, I expect to be in the wrong and misjudge social situations because that's how real life is. It's the worst feeling to be the one stepping out of line in a social group and not knowing why. Anonymous sites are easier on the brain.
However, I have been around other autists long enough to know that there are a type who go around constantly talking to everyone and forcing their interests on them. But those guys are stupid friendly, and they're more likely to be confused and concerned by negativity than to join in shit talking? I imagine it's extroverts like them who get into publicly visible bad fandom behavior, but it'd be weird to think ALL these users just happen to be the loud side of the spectrum by the boatload. There was only ever like 2 of them in special school. Every convincing diagnosed autist I meet online has more caution, even down to not telling people they have autism until they know you. You can't fake what life experience has drilled into your psyche or something like that.
>>5309>who would only buy one and leave surplusI've done this but in my defense they sold them separately, their ship sucks, the other guy has 500x the amount of yumes, and some of them were buying two of him to sandwich the guy I like so it was already unbalanced.
It has got to be frustrating for the creator though. P4P is already a nightmare to find buyers for, but plush are way extra in effort and cost, and Genshin of all things is going to have hundreds of plush designs, you don't need to buy from the strict shipper. They're selling them as a pair which in theory should prevent stock issues, but the implication they've seen resellers? FUCK those guys, there's nothing more dickish than people who buy P4P merch and try to resell them. They're second only to the people who pick up freebies at a convention booth and immediately put them on ebay for $7 because they don't even know the series.
No.5316
This is retarded but I have this issue with most fiction because the characters that I don't like (usually the MCs because the author projects into them or has them as waifus) end up being treated fundamentally different than the characters I like (who can be everything, good side characters, randos, rivals, antagonists etc.) and everytime I get into a story I notice how it frustrates me more and more the more I watch or read of it.
This is stupid, because yeah you should expect the MCs to be the super special ones that can do everything and survive everything because many authors write a story to shill their MCs to begin with (opposed to write an epic or interesting characters), but I always have the hopes that whatever I started now might be different and it rarely ever is. If I had a taste that was more mainstream I could maybe relate and understand why the annoying ORE WA brat, the generic genki or those five mindless puppet waifus are precious but I don't and therefore I can't.
I wonder if fujos are more prone to this pain. Male characters are less likely to survive or be beloved by the writer, especially if it should be a comic or manga. The waifus never die as long as the author is male and same males also usually self-insert so the MC is save as well. It even happens in series that barely have waifus which makes it more frustrating when you see everybody else die horrible deaths while the generics are saved by literal miracles and yet the fans would still defend it and claim it was realistic.
Maybe it's my fault for not sticking to true BL. But I prefer adventures over romance and there are so few BL manga with a main plot that isn't romance and involves exciting shit or settings.
No.5317
>>5315>I've always been too far in my own head, daydreaming whatever makes me feel good to worry at the time of creation if it's allowed or notThis so much. And it makes everything worse namely BECAUSE you are stuck in your dreams. It makes it so much harder to focus on reality and knowing what's going on. I am the type of person that has never heard the names of the most popular actors or singers and other stuff. Others claim I was a liar or a kid or boomer if we talk online since they don't understand that someone could just filter and avoid 90% of the information outside or focus on the wrong one while lacking basic understanding of what everybody else is thinking and feeling.
I wish I could sperg about my pairings and series outside of anon boards. But I can't for the exact reasons you mentioned. It also makes me kinda paranoid of being accused of being evil by friends or something because I know no matter how dumb it is I will wonder if it's true because it was often true in the past because I don't understood rules and people. And normalfags will usually only tell you when it's too late and they are already venting against you.
No.5380
>>5316>expect the MCs to be the super special ones that can do everything and survive everything because many authors write a story to shill their MCs to begin with you are absolutely right nona, i wish i found more media that didn't do this as much
No.5412
>>5302Most of these people are Americans and it's the default attitude in America. You didn't notice it in the 00s because the internet wasn't where everyone was. Most of these kids aren't even neets, many of them are in high school or university. Most Americans are more conservative than you think, it's very common for them to have been raised like this and be surrounded by people like this in school for most of their lives.
No.5419
>>5412I always felt like this was the case but since I used huge discord channels for a bigger fandom I am in I confirmed it. It's almost solely US Americans. Like basically 100%.
And yeah I am always shocked when I hear it since most are in their 20s but they somehow still go to school. They're always school kids basically and behave like super conservative fundamentalist 13 year olds that pretend to be progressive for some reason and maybe that's exactly what they mentally are.
I am baffled but I regularly see some 24yos talking about parental abuse because the parents told them to wash the dishes or something. Never considered myself mature, but compared to what I am seeing of these people I was a veteran by the time I hit the late teens and their constant anxiety and fear of absolutely everything makes them look even more childish.
No.5431
>fandom thread on LC having another moralfag infight about shotafags again.
god the site is unusable these days, you can see nonas clearly trying to chime in with discussion outside of the stupid infight but its bumped out and ignored in favour of the shitty bait thats just going in circles. i dislike shota content but i dont let it take up my mind or make it a moral brigade to condemn everyone whos into it, why the fuck are anons there insinuating that shotafags are trying to make their fetishes socially acceptable or compare their interests on the same level as moids who actually act out their perversions.
No.5435
>>5431Everyone on that site is crazy combative and there are so many users with fujoshi derangement syndrome.
No.5437
>>5412As an ESL non-American can concur, trying to introduce all these pro/anti discourse talking points to my fandom has always been rightfully met with ridicule and hostility. The only people who I've seen doing it have been extremely terminally online teenagers who consume American tiktok content to the point they literally can't speak in their native tongue anymore and only speak in a gargled mish mash of English and online slang.
No.5439
>>5438>That one newfag in the fandom thread who admitted that she had no idea what Kuroshitsuji was about or who Yana Toboso is but still felt it was appropriate to have an opinion about itWill forever be my Lolcow watershed moment. I need these people OUT but the farmhands seem to be tiktok zoomers themselves so fat chance having any kind of quality control.
No.5441
>>5431Don't like shota either but tired of normie tradthots sperging over freaking drawings. They should prioritize bigger issues like troon takeovers and actually helping real women. Yea know, things that matter?
No.5442
>>5431> i dislike shota content but i dont let it take up my mind or make it a moral brigade to condemn everyone whos into itSame. I don't like it but same as with waifu talk I simply don't reply and post the stuff I like or talk about the plot. Threads are MEANT to allow multiple discussions at once as long as they're on-topic.
But I swear even /a/ has these people now, it's more likely to be fujo hate than shota hate there (though I see both) but it's anons who get offended over others' tastes and take it strangely personally. There are threads where you can't even post harmless friendship fanart anymore without one anon going full anti-gay fandom cop.
I can't stand people throwing a fit over preferences and LC in particular is so bad with this. One of the reasons for why I left it, too much negativity and ad hominem. I feel like most only go there to vent and take a shit on everything they hate that they can say on instagram.
>>5437>extremely terminally online teenagers who consume American tiktok content to the point they literally can't speak in their native tongue anymoreHoly shit so the guys I met WEREN'T an exception? First I assumed they're Anglo immigrants, but they're born here, they just consume so much shit they forgot to speak anything but English. Only seen it with zoomers but still.
No.5443
>>5441I figure it's a dogwhistle to them, I won't believe for a second that they're genuinely concerned over fictional teenagers or think that women into cute anime boys will ever molest real life kids like men do. When they're sperging out over "shota" they usually mean just fujo stuff in general because they all brand fujos as inherently degenerate pedophiles since that's the most convenient label to drop at someone's feet if you want to tarnish their reputation, even though straight shota exists and literally every heterosexual otome franchise out there has the boyish "shota" archetype included.
No.5444
>>5443>literally every heterosexual otome franchise out there has the boyish "shota" archetype includedI think this has stopped in recent years outside of gacha. When I look at random otome games now I usually see a bunch of ikemens around the same age with maybe one guy in the late teens and one guy in early 30s.
No.5446
>>5444One guy in his "30s" who looks barely older than the rest. I will never understand who signs off of such boring choices.
No.5448
>>5443Yeah this. It's an easy way to tarnish someone's reputation. It's like how gays are associated with pedophilia when pedophilia is actually much more common among hetero men, like 80% or more of all pedo crimes involve adult men sexually abusing girls, not boys. And it's funny seeing yumes attack shota fags when 99% of the anime fandom cooms to girls that look like 12. It only ever bad if it has fujos involved.
I have also seen anons on 4chan assuming that fujo equaled shota fag. When I say that I prefer adult dudes some people claim I must a gay man. Hell I actually got attacked on LC once for having an allegedly male taste. I didn't even post actual bara or anything it was dudes like Tsurumi.
I also don't take any yume that accuses others seriously as long as she's into the forced marriage trope and they are almost ALL into the forced marriage or even slavery trope. Nothing against that per se, since fiction=! real life. But double standards etc.
>>5447Second that, I love guys like that. Signs of older age but still ikemen. I hate the "s/he is old but looks like 22" thing.
No.5451
>>5448>"s/he is old but looks like 22" thingIf we're talking ancient old, literally only works for me if their personality is made of tired and melancholy, which is one of my favorite things ever but more often they make them whiny and annoying about it. I don't want it as comic relief reminders of their age, I want other characters to
feel it doesn't match their appearance.
No.5452
>>5451I like the grumpy ones too though tbh I am also a fan of the crazy energetic old characters and older occultists and that. By "old" I mean at least 35. Though I am fine with young ones too as long as they're not teens. I disliked teens even when I was a teen myself. Couldn't relate and if I cannot relate I cannot like so I was never into those 40yo that look like 20 and act like it and most of them are "ara ara"s anyway.
The only one I accept is Frieren, since the she is the first ancient-but-young-looking character I have ever seen who was actually written like an ancient character. Teens are rather the opposite of attractive to me but maybe that's just me being the shady, angry autistic guy so I couldn't relate to hyperactive brats and super social "nice" characters.
No.5485
One of the worst fanfiction squicks I have are when authors write the yelling in ALL CAPITALS or when they get too vague in referring to a character aside from their name (e.g. the brunette gunslinger, the blue eyed man, and I kid you not, there was a fucking fic where one character was referred to as "the brit" the entire time) it immediately takes me out of the immersion and I have to close the fic before I die from embarrassment
No.5486
>>5485I feel that second one, I think the author is too afraid of being repetitive with using the character's name, but it just comes off as silly.
No.5492
>>5485I entered a fandom recently, unsure if my sloppy drabbles would appeal, only to find that every lewd fic read like "the black haired put his lips to the bluenette's nape". Shocked I didn't see any orbs but I think people straight up forget the color of the character's eyes in this series.
The only fandom my brain thinks of where there's british people is BBC Sherlock where "the brit" would be so hilariously unhelpful.
No.5494
>>5485>>5492The overuse of epithets, yes! I guess since it's two males they fear all the he/him/his may confuse the reader as to who they're referring to? But then just use their name.. A fic I recently read called the black-haired character "the ravenette" the entire time, no joke.
I'm 90% sure this has been mentioned before but I haaate when fic writers slip into ooc bdsm lingo. It completely takes me out of the story and is such a turnoff. Why is this repressed fantasy-world man suddenly acting like a cringe pornsick dom on tiktok the second he starts fucking? "you're doing so good for me, I know you like that" STOP!!
I guess I just hate when smut is ooc and copy-paste feeling, like it's just a random sex scene with these two characters names or image pasted on instead of deeply woven into the world and characters
No.5500
>>5485>>5494An old fujo friend I had did that too and it made her novel impossible to read. They misunderstand that the rule of not repeating words only applies to nouns and adjectives and such, not pronouns. It should always be "he" and sometimes the name. If you are a good writer you can reduce even the names and pronouns to a minimum since the optimal case is that the reader is able to tell who is talking based on the voice they use and the flow of the dialogue.
A good and talented fujo friend I have has once written an entire direct speech sex fic of two characters and I could follow all of it perfectly, always knew who was talking because the dialogue was well written and the voices and manner of speech recognizable.
No.5507
>>5485>>5506Since we're talking about this, a big issue I have with fics that isn't mentioned yet is the formatting. Especially common are fics with one or even two blank lines after every sentence. It looks bad and is surprisingly annoying to read and tbh I usually dip out when I see it without even reading it.
Opposite extreme are block texts. A rarer but just as annoying issue I have encountered are texts that are divided into paragraphs of the exact same length. The content of the story doesn't even match them, so you have lines thrown together that should be separated by an empty line and single scenes being cut off midways. It's weird as fuck.
It shouldn't be hard I am not expecting some professional book formatting, just nothing obviously weird and distracting.
No.5508
>>5507This! I dont even mind nor care if it doesnt follow proper spacing structure, I just need the fic to be cohesive yet structured apart so im not just looking at a wall of text but not too far apart im reading a text fic.
No.5510
>>5507People who feel the need to put a new line after every sentence are typically using a narrow window where the input box makes their single sentence appear to be more than one line long. The most common factor in making it narrow is using a smart phone in portrait. Really makes you think.
No.5711
>>4907The pain.
Let's be real unless you are into shounen MCs most crushes and obsessions will end horribly for your you and your favs. Almost nobody I was ever obsessed over survived his own series and usually they die in terrible ways. And I am not even talking about bait and switching, pairing break-up or erasure etc.
Here a list of ALL of my last loves/favs since 2018 and how it ended:
>A gets partly mind controlled by evil entity, kills his friend B, eventually commits suicide because his condition gets worse and is untreatable>guy fucks his life up on purpose, gets progressively more mentally ill as the series progresses, commits suicide (AGAIN)>A gets unironically groomed by his leader B who he sacrifices everything for. Eventually B gets a redemption arc, hates his past and A, whose existence he created himself, kills him mercilessly in a fight, becomes depressed. Gets executed at the end.>Guy lost everybody siding with him, his world plagued by terrorists and rebels. Loses his shit and gets torn into two pieces>both, A and B guys get executed >fate of A and B not clear yet, was all funny and heart-warming until halfway in, now everything breaks apart and both will most likely die lonelyI can't believe that the MOST POSITIVE outcome of all of this crap is the double execution since they're at least dying together. This is the fate of a fucking fujo.
Can you imagine liking het and generic MCs and seeing all your ships being healthy, confirmed and everybody being happy in the end?
I can't.
No.5721
>>5713>one of them being whiny and 'pure' completely ruins it for me.God, same. Completely turns me off because I am not into children and it makes the relationship one-sided as fuck and the whiny character usually has the depth of a sheet of paper.
And yeah fuck kuudere. I get that people want mysterious characters but kuudere aren't mysterious to me, just boring and monotonous. Rei is the single kuudere I accept because it's the only time I have seen this trope done right and there is more to her than the silent trait. Nowadays most of these characters are just kuudere for the fetish.
No.5722
>>5721>it makes the relationship one-sided as fuckYes, I can't stand this. Fixed seme/uke roles, I can accept this, but I don't want it to feel like the seme just selfishly does whatever he wants while his boyfriend acts like sex is a chore or he's just doing him a favour, I don't want it to feel like only one party is in love with the other and only one of them ever shows their affection. I want them to have the banter that your average couple does.
Sadly the innocent uke trope is super common with my ship/fandom so it's hard for me to avoid right now.
No.5724
>>5722Same anon but I should add probably the most egregious example from my ship that I ever saw in a Japanese fanwork
>He's so pure that he had a dry prostate orgasm just from the seme making out with him for the first time! He doesn't come from his dick! He naturally orgasms like a woman!Blech, please spare me.
No.5725
>>5713I do hope she comes out with a reverse chapter at some point, considering it was mentioned that the uke was close to topping.
No.5726
>>5722i feel you nona, and im sure its not an issue just of your current fandom but a common problem with BL in general. this is why i went from liking fixed dynamics to enjoying riba, and it's so much better on this side
No.5727
>>5722To be honest I can also not relate or develop these characters. Like what's even left to interpret or read into if a character is all "waaah waaah"?
One of my most beloved pairings has a guy being rather passive too, but he's neither scared nor pure and he's a grown ass man anyway. The other dude is the one initiating everything, clinging to him etc. and he usually smiles then or ignores it if he's focused on something else.
I guess it's just a subjective issue and since I am a silent fag that never talks about my feelings IRL I can easily imagine him to be similar and just enjoy it silently or to be the guy that doesn't appreciate the lover enough (which might eventually lead to a conflict) or whatever.
If you asked me to write a text about what a whiny, pure uke or waifu is feeling I would draw blanks.
No.5729
>>5727>If you asked me to write a text about what a whiny, pure uke or waifu is feeling I would draw blanksIt's not actually inaccurate to say this type of uke's feelings may not be equal to the seme's because the trope goes way back culturally. Erastes/eromenos literally mean lover and beloved, and that dynamic was very similar to how the ideal shudo relationship was supposed to work in Japan - the older dominant party pushes his sexual desire onto the passive younger party and the passive party is supposed to put up with it out of a sort of love/pity/duty but not be horny. Obviously you can make a lot of comparisons to women's idealized sexuality or lack thereof too.
But also with Japan even before those formal shudo relationships the receiving party acting like they don't want it goes back to the Heian period. A man forcing himself on a woman and the woman putting up a front of resistance and refusal but actually being into the guy was super common in the literature. So to go back to what you said, going by this ancient fetish, the uke is moved by the seme's passion and feels pity for him that gives way to love.
An occasional thing I have seen with various ships in Japanese fic is that the description may outright say that the seme's feelings are only 恋 (romantic/sexual love) while the uke's are 愛 (the more 'pure' love unrelated to sex)
So yeah, it's coded in the culture. You could draw an interesting parallel to people in western fandom who write one character as asexual and one character as non asexual and they fuck anyway but the asexual nobly puts up with it and is not horny but just loves seme-kun so very much, but I feel the reasons for writing this isn't the same, it's more for self projection reasons than an expected cultural norm. Still interesting to compare.
No.5836
>>5831it's stupid shit, there are like 1/2 BL published with that verse, like pom(eranian)verse, the one that got more "popular" is dom/sub verse
No.5842
If it was actual cannibalism maybe it'd be more interesting
No.5856
>>5831I watched a video about this a while ago. It's too goofy to be erotic to me, lol.
No.5859
>>5842I thought it started as actual cannibalism and the 'soft' version happend later. Either way when I see cakeverse tagged, I don't click on it just in case.
But have you guys seen 'Iceverse'? It's even more depressing. The roles there are Juice and Ice and as basically as soon as the two realise their romantic feelings for each other, they die. Very emo. Reminds me of sweetpool…
No.5860
>>5842Based. They also should've not made it cake-themed because I can't help but think all of the Fork characters are like the adult version of the fat kid from Willy Wonka lol.
No.5862
>>5859>Juice and Ice and as basically as soon as the two realise their romantic feelings for each other, they dieWHAT LOL
No.5863
>>5862Check it out in pixiv dictionary here
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9DeepL translation:
>The ice-verse refers to the special setting of two species: ice, which melts when it is bound to juice, and juice, which melts ice.The name is derived from the appearance of the ice melting in the juice as it loses its life as soon as the love is fulfilled.
>It is thought to have been derived from the special setting called the Omegaverse or the Cakeverse. No.5865
>>5863Thanks for the spoonfeed. Respect for the brainrot.
No.5866
>>5865I think I misunderstood this and it's only the 'ice' who dies, not both of them… Not too sure because I never read a fic with this setting.
No.5868
>>5863Thinking about it, isn't this basically just Hanahaki Disease in reverse?
No.6523
>>5843Same. Only smokers romanticise other smokers. Smokers reek on the same level as alcoholic hobos. I also can't believe anybody would find yellow/brown teeth hot.
No.6524
>>6523Sorry, smoking is super aesthetically pleasing even though it's a deadly habit. I will say I've never seen anyone into smoking who romanticizes rotting teeth or lung cancer.
No.6527
>>6523The other way around, I only meet ex-smokers seething about smokers. Non-smokers are usually neutral, like me. I just like it because it makes characters feel more adult. I am sick of the infantilization in modern anime, so I like having one or two smokers in every modern series with a bigger cast and some characters that drink beer like Misato instead of screeching about alcohol being scary because they are ""only"" 20.
No.6529
>>6527>I just like it because it makes characters feel more adult.nta and I'm sure it's subjective but this is the opposite for me. Everyone I know who smokes or used to smoke started smoking when they were in middle school or high school. None of them were adults, not even barely 18yo when they started. So to me smoking will always be that things insecure retarded children do when they want to look like hot shit, and I automatically assume adults who keep smoking are just too addicted to stop without actively working and suffering for it. I don't see it that way with fictional 2D characters though, but this is how I see characters who smoke in live action series and movies. Characters casually drinking alcohol from time to time works a lot better for me if a writer wants to make them look like average grown men and women.
No.6531
>>6527Keep telling yourself that. I've never smoked and hate smokers with passion. They are more of a nuisance than junkies, because druggies at least have the decency to indulge in their vice in private. Smokers want to give cancer to everybody around them. They never shy away from smoking around children or the elderly. The only difference between hard drug addicts and smokers is that only one group is allowed to get high in public for some retarded reason.
No.6536
>>6529Yeah I can see that, imo I associate snoking with detectives and military officers so I'm with the other anon and to me it's a mark of maturity, but also irl it does come across as sad people who got hooked as a teenager or young adult. It's funny because I have the same revulsion marijuana that
>>6531 has for smoking and see it as obnoxious young adult trite, but Hollywood really did their job because smoking, thanks to decades of film, is visually one of the coolest things a character can do.
No.6554
>>6531Well I guess my experience vastly diverges from you own but I am not talking shit as you imply, it's always the ex-smokers and people related to smokers that have an issue for logical reasons. Smoking is simply not a personal problem of mine to as it seems to be for you so I casually enjoy smoking characters. Nobody will die from it because it's fiction so it's perfectly fine, whatever, irrelevant, peace, whatever, what I said is still true because I was talking from a subjective experience.
Also I casually drink myself but consider alc a much bigger problem because 50% of all deadly crashes are related to it so yes, other drugs are literally and unironically more damaging than smoking and unlike smokers half of my country are functioning alcoholics (nothing against alcohol itself or alcohol drinking characters).
No.6562
I like smoking if the character is pathetic and it's clear there's a consequence to the vice. If you don't work more detail into it than just holding something to the lips to look cool then it's not using the potential properly, it's visuals for visuals sake. I want some insecurity, a nervous habit, some self hatred, anything to add flavor to the act. Grim noir will always serve on that.
No.7272
>>7270It's the same with the canon "ugly" characters lmao it's always so stupid when you have 12 sparkling bishounen and bishoujo who look all the same because the creator associates facial features with ugliness and then one of them is the dedicated ugly character even though they're the same as the rest and maybe just wearing glasses or having freckles.
No.7286
>>7280….
Wait wat? Where? Please enlighten me as to where André is described as ugly.
I don't disbelieve you. I'm just baffled.
No.7291
It's so annoying how even the best series in the world just needs one (1) single character that panders to trash groups to attract assholes and/or idiots. Sadly, just one aggressive or annoying fan out of 50 is enough to turn every discussion or comfy thread to shit. Even if I ignore and never reply it still pisses me off getting angry commentaries for posting my favs and having to shut up or the derailment of the thread will be blamed on me or deal with the annoying attitude of trans self-inserters in a discord for the same reason.
It's always the same shit, every male character that panders to either trannies or male otaku (traps, feminine shota, boy-to-girl transformed characters) is fucking cursed and I hate both mentally ill fanbases with a passion. I don't hate things I am not into on principle, but the moment their fans start to hate on me I will hate them back and I noticed that some fan groups are way more aggressive and self-righteous than others.
*edit sorry, retarded typos
No.7296
>>7286I misremembered, he's not supposed to be ugly but more masculine, meanwhile he's drawn the exact same as oscar
No.7310
I hate when someone says that they're a fujoshi in their profile description but they post het ships 90% of the time. I can understand the occasional post but when most of your stuff is het why even bother?
And yes, I occasionally see this with Japanese artists as well.
No.7311
>>7310Do you see it a lot with people who do "retro" 2000s post. There's a group of people who are trying to apply the term to just mean "female anime fan" and I think it's literal children who don't know any better.
No.7312
>>7310Everything is reduced to labels that you collect like badges nowadays. Clout addicts slap every label in the world onto them to make their profile more interesting and feel quirky. You know how dudebros made fun of the "nerd grrrrrrrrriills"? It's basically this but for every type of hobby, illness or trait you can think of. I cringed hard when a woman I know who watches like one anime per year (and only those the mainstream is watching too) started wearing fashion saying "NERD" and talking about it as being a nerd was on the level of being a renown war hero. To nobody's surprise she recently told me she identifies as trans out of the blue.
No.7313
>>7310I'm failing to understand why this is bad. I'm a multiship addict and pair all boys with all boys but if the het pair works then I think it works.
There's no fandom omnivore term I can think of that's "male leaning slash shipper who also likes straight pairings sometime," besides multiship.
No.7314
>>7313NTA, but isn’t the point of her post that this person doesn't really ship M/M? "Het 90% of the time."
I think most people in fandom spaces have written, draw, or engaged with het, yuri, and yaoi. But if your main fandom output isn't yaoi and someone follows you because you have fujoshi in your profile then it's annoying.
No.7315
>>7313Multiship doesn't work because I fall into "fujo who sometimes fucks with non-BL" and have giga autism about ships. Multiship implies that I would sully my glorious A/B mind palace with the presence of loathsome A/C or wretched B/C.
I think "shipper" would work but I think the term was unofficially retired after we got stuff like fujo/yume/hime/etc. What
>>7312 is right though, these days you can't even trust the self-label.
No.7316
>>7314>>7315People call anyone who ships m/m a fujo weirdo nowadays so the label is muddied by anyone who wasn't around for when it meant pure BL love.
No.7317
>>7311NTA, this is only two anecdotes but I've witnessed two normie-ish Twitter accounts hop on the fujo bandwagon around 2022 (for cool female fandom trend purposes I guess), but it didn't seem like they actually knew what it entailed. They'd post sexual shit about their husbandos but never ship him with anyone. Two years later they realize they're yumes and are part of the "fujos are misogynistic" circle, lol.
No.7318
>>7313Once in a blue moon I'll read yuri, but if I put "himejoshi" on my profile, anybody expecting women falling in love and seeing Golden Kamuy cock smashing asshole will probably not be happy.
No.7319
The real fujos use the Japanese kanji I noticed. Mainly because the very reason fujos put it into the bio (at least I) is to tell Asian fans you aren't an anti since antis don't call themselves fujo.
No.7320
>>7318This is exactly it. Nobody is saying that someone can't like a BL ship while being mainly into yuri, or that a fujo can't occasionally dabble in het. But the terminology someone uses to refer to themselves sets expectations for the kind of fanworks they'll produce. Personally I like "ravenous shipper" to refer to people who evenly enjoy all styles of relationship.
No.7321
>>7320It's probably because retards have all of their info from tiktok accounts that have their knowledge from other tiktok accounts etc.
I fucking hate how almost every term has lost its original meaning if you go be the internet crowd. Fujo means "nerd", nerd means "normalfag that watches cartoons sometimes", homo means "trapfaggot", het male means "pedo", adult means "hag", waifu/husbando means "character I consider slightly attractive", edgy means "serious" etc. etc.
No.7322
>>7319And I'm glad they do.
When looking up ship content, American fans will use the google translated variants of terms, characters and other titles. Japanese fujos will use some obscure kanji you could only make sense of by being fluent or a way to say the series name like 王国心 vs キングダムハーツ (for Kingdom Hearts)
>>7321>het male means "pedo"I hate this so much. Kiddies are no longer having bi phases. They're having "straight male hate" phases that they unfortunately cannot grow from.
No.7323
>>7315>Multiship doesn't work because I fall into "fujo who sometimes fucks with non-BL" and have giga autism about ships. Multiship implies that I would sully my glorious A/B mind palace with the presence of loathsome A/C or wretched B/C. Literally me…. People just don't understand the struggle of having tera-autism with shipping. Multishippers have been the bane of my existence because they refuse to stay in their lane and prance around, berating ship autists like me for not liking the C/B ship and that everyone should have a go at B. No, fuck off. Leave me alone.
No.7326
Sometimes I wish I could care about gacha or endless shounen because these seem to be the only fandoms that stay alive in the west.
I admit it pisses me off when fandom friends I make are all over a series or pairing only to keep quiet and go back to their gacha or influencer fan shit a week after the series ends.
There is so much untapped territory for the characters I/we(?) are into right now. The canon only hints most of it and only shows some years of their life. They're also historically inspired so you can even adapt the known historical bits about them and implement them into the lore. They did a bunch of cool shit after the period the series is covering.
But nah. The only fan ideas they had for the last months, even while the characters were still around, where about clothes swapping. "X in the costume of Y", "X wearing this shit from a tiktok video I have seen", "X and Y as women" etc.
It's like the west was creatively bankrupt and tbh I think this is the reason for why people move on so quickly. They simply cannot think of anything if canon isn't outright showing it and shoving into their face.
The fact that nonnas say that stuff like MHA had very creative longtime fans doesn't contradict this. Those fandoms are simply so gigantic that they even have some of the very rare good fans that stick to it and create. If it's just 1 out of 1000 you have a bunch of them in every mainstreamy fandom. But they are so rare that everything that isn't mainstream is cursed.
No.7327
>>7326Seasonal stuff is always very flavor of the month even the best works, are usually forgotten once the next batch comes out. The reason why works like SJ have always been so long-lived fandom wise is because they are designed to last forever. This also means that even as people come and go from the fandom there is always fresh people getting into it who have 100s of chapters/episodes to get through and it keeps them their longer.
I agree though with the massive fandom = better works angle for the exact same reason. It's the same reason series like Hunger Games, One Piece, Marvel, ect all have great novel length fanfics that far exceed the source material. If you get a large enough audience you're going to get people who do it better than you do.
No.7329
>>7327Yeah but the things I like are usually manga with anime adaptions. In this case it's a shounen manga that was published for a good while. It's just that nothing that doesn't run for 10+ years straight seems to catch on anymore and even then being popular doesn't help, it has to be mainstream popular. Something only a handful of series manage to become.
It's cursed because I don't like any of the mainstream stuff, be it manga or live action. The only super popular thing I didn't hate was unironically One Piece. But now that I am like 1000 chapters behind it's just too much for me to catch up to and I have no hope that it stays constantly good, even though I love what I hear about the worldbuilding and re-appearance of side characters. Maybe the new anime adaption will get me into it again.
Or I have to learn Japanese, since their fandoms are more active and long-lived.
No.7330
>>7328I have never seen people bitching about OC on principle. I create stories myself, albeit I don't post about them until I finally draw the comics again and reach a certain part. Nowadays I mostly noting things down and improving the scripts.
I will usually unfollow when a fandom member starts posting nothing OCs but that's because I followed them for the fandom, not anything else. And yeah, 99,9% of all OCs and own stories are garbage. And again I am saying this as someone that writes/draws it myself.
That aside, the thing is that you don't KNOW anything about OCs unless they're part of a comic you are already reading. And people can't care about characters they don't know. It only happens like once per year that I scroll twitter and see one artwork of OCs that actually grabs my attention because the designs are unusual and cool and the artist good and able to convey the personalities well through nuanced behavior of the drawn OCs.
Personally, I don't care about people so I neither care about celebrities or artists nor the humans that make the music I like, so I won't care about what some random artist is or feels like. I only care about good characters, but I cannot tell who is good until I read their stories.
If it's a fic it's very hard getting a fanbase because you said yourself that the majority of OCs are shit, so how do you find the good ones, assuming that there are any? I even hate 99% of all published novels and mostly stick to non-fic because of it. With art it's easier to find something. Like I would have read the comic of the once-in-a-year good OCs I saw if there was any. But how do you find the one good story among 1000 that are bad on AO3 or wattpad?
No.7331
>>7330See, this exactly the kind of shit is what I was talking about. The "99% of all stories are garbage!!!" mentality is such small-mindnessness I can't comprehend it because most mainstream media is also equally trashy but someone just got lucky with their personal OCs. I personally love hearing about peoples' own indie projects because as corny as it sounds, chances are there's real passion put behind them rather than layers of producers putting their own finger in the pie. Be it a comic, a written story, a series of illustrations, a multimedia project, a game, whatever.
>Personally, I don't care about peopleEven at the risk of sounding snooty, this is the fundamental consoomerbrained flaw in people who either aren't creative or simply don't allow themselves to be because they're too restricted by the "what if people think it's ringe" fear. They're not interested in the world around them nor are they curious about the people who inhabit it, so they're not likely to be able to create anything of substance human beings can relate to so they presume others can't do so either. It's just fanart and fanfic with no deviation because everything has to be railroaded for them.
>If it's a fic it's very hard getting a fanbase because you said yourself that the majority of OCs are shitI never said this. I said that I get considering teenagers creating autistic fandom marysues for already established fandom worlds as cringe. Stop using original content as a term interchangeably to refer to fandom characters.
No.7332
>>7328I don't get being annoyed by fan characters for fandoms, disliking it sure but it's not that common and very easy to ignore outside of their personal accounts
No.7334
>>7328Yeah honestly its sad people don't seem to make ocs as much as they used to back in the old deviantart days. Now they basically just turn the existing characters into their ocs, If you're going to kin or self-insert creating an OC at least lets your creativity run wild. Just tweaking a fictional character to resemble yourself comes off as lazy in comparison.
No.7340
>>7331>The "99% of all stories are garbage!!!" mentality is such small-mindnessness I can't comprehend because most mainstream media is also equally trashyThe difference is that most OC stories only exists as summaries or rudimentary story bits. With commercial stuff I can just google it, look at screenshots, watch an episode or read the first chapter and if you have the right circles that like similar shit as you the good stuff will be mentioned at one point sooner or later.
As I said, I basically ignore novels altogether, commercial or not. For the very reason because 99% of both are trash (and I said so in my post). I simply see no point wasting hours upon hours on searching for a novel that doesn't sound like shit only to try it and consider it bad regardless, usually because of the MCs.
Most novels I like are OLD. But that might be because the stakes for becoming an author were higher in the past. You are simply more likely to find a Cervantes or Philip K. Dick if you look for genres you like among books written more than 50 years ago. When I google now most shit I see are young adult books, something I generally dislike.
>Even at the risk of sounding snooty, this is the fundamental consoomerbrained flaw in peopleI think the exact opposite. I consider people superficial that care more about the creators than the art. It's how pop idols and influencers became relevant. The stuff they produce is mediocre at best, but they make billions for the star cult. I care about the product first and foremost and if I end up caring about the creator I have to like their creation first, bringing us back to point 1.), good stories, art and characters.
So if someone wants to make me give a shit about OCs they have to do it like commercial works and publish a story first instead of talking about OCs I don't know like a stranger that talks about their family to you and bores you because you don't even know them. I won't care looking at random designs on twitter that I have no connection to because I don't know them. I didn't even care about my fav shipping characters that I am obsessed with until I watched or read a bunch of episodes/chapters with them and got into them.
No.7343
>>7328Honestly, unless I'm super invested in the source material, I avoid fan fiction for that reason. I just don't trust anyone else but the author to get the characters right (with exceptions). With OCs, since the author knows them best, it feels… authentic for lack of better word? I can understand the animosity over OCs and troves if shitty fan characters but it's just art at the end of the day. You can just…tune out? Don't go out of your way to find this shit just to crap all over it.
I just wanna draw my characters for fuck sake.
No.7346
>>7326As someone who does rely on fandom to keep my interest in something alive, agreed. Anime feels less fujos friendly than the past, with fujobait shows getting no budget and no fandom, and shounen feeling less friendly to fujos, possibly because authors are more aware of them. Either way you have to deal with more het stans talking about fujos btfo and how misogynist they are. Gacha is the same, with games like Genshin pandering more to incels than ever and more new gachas following suit, it seems there's little for fujos. Sure we might get a BL anime once a year, but it's nothing compared to all the het and even yuri that gets made. At best they're boring shows with limited budget so very few people care about them. The last time I saw something with canon BL that got big fandoms was YoI and then Mdzs and both had their heydays years ago. There's nothing new and I feel bitter when all the shounen het stans have something new to glom onto every season.
No.7347
>>7346Yeah I feel the same. And if you get shounen or seinen series with guys that have great dynamics and are close to each other they are most likely antagonists because only the GOOD characters get the women and women are mostly written in for pandering, so they side with the MC since that's more marketable, especially if you hint them as love interests. I love antagonists, but the problem is that they are cursed since they are doomed to be killed by the MC sooner or later or be written out of the story after a few arcs.
It seems that the lively fujo fandoms aren't just mainstream but mostly focused on the MCs too and personally I consider most anime MCs way too bland or annoying to be interesting. They're made to be relatable for the mainstream after all (and boys even if it's shounen) so they've rarely ever good.
Combine all of that with a lack of attentionspan and creativity and the flood of media users are facing and you get super active fandoms that die in a few weeks. I know enough fujos that would most likely be more active if they weren't busy watching a million youtube and tiktok videos a day. They like them less than the series they're fan of but that won't stop them from scrolling for six hours a day and getting distracted.
No.7348
>>7346>shounen feeling less friendly to fujos, possibly because authors are more aware of themI find this very funny just because it's a tacit admission of their thought process being "damn [shonen author] really was writing [overwhelmingly the most popular ship] kinda fruity, better tone it down between the dudes in my story". It sucks that we are slowly losing what is essentially our habitat, like animals run out of suburb development.
>shonen het stansIt's complete copium but what keeps me happy is that they never, ever get the quality and numbers of fanfic that fujos do. I think the only shonen het ship with a fanfic scene that comes close to what I expect out of a popular yaoi ship is, like, Bulma and Vegeta (I kneel).
No.7349
>>7346It's something I've been wondering about for months, where the fuck did all the big fujo anime go?? Where are the No.6 and Owari no Seraphs of the 2020's?? The Frees, the Kuroshitsujis, the Hetalias?? Is Bungou Stray Dogs literally the only thing we've got?
>Anime feels less fujos friendly than the pastI never felt like anime wasn't for me but I've been feeling really weird about new anime for a few years at this point, it really does feel like things shifted in the wrong direction for fujos. Even newer BL anime feels very safe, you know it's bleak when the biggest BL anime in recent years is Sasaki & Miyano where iirc the camera even pans out of them kissing??
No.7350
>>7348>their thought process being "damn [shonen author] really was writing [overwhelmingly the most popular ship] kinda fruity, better tone it down between the dudes in my storyWhat's even the damn reasoning behind this? Is it like western cartoons that get cancelled despite being popular because the audience isn't their target demographic?
Look at the massive success of Golden Kamuy. It profits a lot from the fujo fans and the mangaka embraced it. The series sold like hotcakes, gets the whole manga adapted into an anime, got a cinema live action movie and now even a live action tv series. All because it's a manga for adult men that also manages to win women over so they said "why not both?".
No.7351
>>7349I feel like a lot of stuff came out are just not palatable for westerners. Series that Japanese fujos grew up with, genres like isekai that are filter most, light novels with dreadful mtl translations, miced media projects, couples that don't fit what westerners like, that sort of thing.
No.7352
>>7349>>7348I think anime turned more and more into what haters pretended it to be in the 00s, essentially coomer shit. Same problem as the pixar'- and capeshit'fication of western cinema. Moe ecchi was a success so instead of targeting multiple demographics they did it like with isekai and produced masses of it and now that everybody in the world has internet access there are enough incels and coomers watching that stuff at double speed on their phones and forget about it a minute after the episode ends but that doesn't matter because they still gave it a "view".
It alienates every fan that isn't into sexualisation of lolis and teengirls. Even the porn-loving men I know stopped watching anime years ago because they aren't attracted to moe and prefer anime to be gritty sci-fi or action adventures, but we don't get that anymore. It alienates women too of course. Everybody but lolicons basically.
Because of this the anime industry cucks itself from being successful with other genres because the majority avoids it, assuming everything was moe ecchi and the fans that are already there refuse to watch anything but that and bitch if something isn't borderline child porn.
Anime CAN be mainstream, see the successful series. But it's luck if the mass notices a series, because they usually avoid it.
I hate to say it but anime became more "anime" over the years. The 90s and 00s still had a lot of series that were for everybody. Westerners and casuals loved gritty sci-fi, space westerns and fantasy adventures but we aren't allowed to get that anymore (save for very, very rare exceptions that will be overlooked by the mass).
No.7353
>>7352I think this is just nostalgia glasses, look up any chart from the early 00s and it was about 10 shows, all of which were moe/ecchi battle harems except sometimes one, which is what people remember.
No.7354
>>7350I'm only half serious, it just seems that way to me as a butthurt fujo haha. Never attribute to malice what you can to ignorance, etc. To me, the homo in pre-2020 shonen is more in line with the kind homoeroticism expressed in classic literature/film and it seems that newer creators are not exposed to this kind of relationship depth in the media they consume that in turn inspires them. It's like the energy pyramid but with homo vibes. Fewer creators are eating their vegetables and it is reflected in their work.
You can see this play out across a lot of modern media, especially as our ability to have substantive lived experience is crippled by pandemics and economic strife. Slop has always existed, like
>>7353 is saying, but the average erudition in creative spaces is going down.
No.7355
>>7354That makes a lot of sense. More and more mangaka are younger people with almost zero social experience and it reflects in their works. When I think about how I would write dynamics and behavior I orientate myself by real people and real dynamics I know or dynamics I would have to have with a friend. I then just make them weirder or more extreme for the story. I don't copy them, but they work as inspiration.
That aside the dynamics that define a lot of m/m ships or friendships are defined by honor, respectful rivalry, clashing or harmonization of ideologies, courage etc.
Those are traits and values that aren't relevant in our society anymore. They aren't even praised anymore. But take them away and there isn't much left. Even toxic yaoi is usually based on them in way.
I don't want to imagine what stories we'll commonly see once it's the turn of the tiktok generation to be in the industry or become authors or official artists.
No.7363
If I see another Japanese fic where the uke's ass is described as having gotten rounder and more 'like a woman's ever since he started getting it pounded (and his nipples are also puffier), it will be too soon I swear to god. I'm going back in time to take out that European guy who created that totally legit 'research' claiming men who got fucked in the ass would essentially turn into women, that Japan and granny proto-fujos latched onto. I can suspend my disbelief to an extent for clean buttholes in my yaois, but not this. Just say your uke has a genetically improbable perfect ass and go!
What happens in this yaoi world if a seme has the perfect ass instead? Will fate send mobs at him until he turns into an uke? I want a series about an apex predator seme who baits other semes with his uke-ass and nipples poking through his shirt and then he flips them over and pounds them into the mattress.
No.7364
>>7349I was actually just thinking of this. I think SK8 was the last big fujobait anime we got, but there is also the Twisted Wonderland anime coming out that's already guaranteed to have three seasons. Most big fujo series in Japan right now don't seem to have much of a western fandom, or is considered niche, such as Hypnosis Mic (due to the live shows and such not being very available to western fans). Even stuff like Gegege no Kitarou just doesn't appeal to Westerners like Japanese fujos, so there isn't any crossover there. We haven't even seen any great, big slash fandoms as of late either, no big budget movies or shows or even books that appeal to shippers.
No.7365
>>7364Yeah, it's the lack of big western fujo fandoms in general that's kinda fucking with me recently. As far as I can remember, there's always been (non-BL) series that had a reputation as big fujo gathering spots even among non-fujos, like everyone who knew about anime in the West also knew Hetalia and knew it was a fujo magnet for example, I struggle to think of post-2020 big Western fujo fandoms with that kind of reach. Maybe socmed zoning was too effective. JP fujo-friendly fandoms are bigger like you mentioned and it's why I prefer to stick there most of the time, as a HypMic fan myself it's always crazy to compare just how many doujins and fanart JP fans make vs how many come out of the Western fandom. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places, I don't know. Kinda makes me wonder where nufujos are even discovering yaoi nowadays. DMMd pictures on Pinterest? Pass the yaoi memes?
On a different note since this is the shit you hate thread, it's always been annoying to me how, in order to see any vaguely spicy BL fanart on Twitter, I have to go through links and passwords and guessing games on Poipiku, meanwhile dudes will just post the most explicit waifu porn without even bothering to blur it and that's just cool and normal I guess. I don't even really mind the fujo courtesy of keeping NSFW on a separate site in and of itself, but the blatant double standards annoy me to no end.
No.7366
>>7365>poipikuI hate this too because it adds more steps if I want to save the art. I kind of understand it with Asian artists because it's already the norm there, but not Western ones when most people already use the spoiler feature. Just seems like an unnecessary move.
No.7367
I HATE feminization of both ukes and semes.
I HATE male pregnancy in any form it takes. I'm also not a fan of kids being involved at all, but that's just my childfree side.
I HATE troon shit, but that's a given.
Keep the B in BL, basically.
Oh, and I HATE 99% of western BL fanart, especially when it's egregiously off-model. One of the semes I like gets drawn like Nathan fucking Explosion by one artist, and others get drawn so unrecognizably I have to stop myself from commenting something snarky like "oh who's this character? an OC?"
No.7370
>>7363What? That's absolutely nuts. I genuinely didn't know that was a thing. Admittedly I don't really read japanese fic but I've never seen it pop up in doujins or twitter fanart before.
No.7371
>>7370In doujins you might have seen the 'your body has become so lewd now' which I think is shades of the same trope. Calling the uke's ass a pussy is another pretty common one.
Maybe I'm just especially unlucky in this fandom or all the fic I read was unknowingly by the same person, I don't know. Maybe it's because this ship is twincest so people really want to insert those physical uke 'differences' despite having the same body…
No.7372
>>7363Oh so it isn't just my fandom? It's usually not the outside physical appearance but the sounds they make, the asshole or the "insides" that "become more female" in the fics I see.
I didn't read Japanese fics in the past since my Japanese was too bad and auto-translators were too bad so I don't know if the "his insides became more feminine" or "ass learned to lubricate" phrases are a recent thing or something that always existed.
No.7373
>>7364I would call Bravern big as well, it's just hat westerners sleep on everything these days. I feel like westerners don't choose what anime to watch on their own anymore and just follow the mainstream. I swear there are more western fujos searching for gay hints in turbo-straight ecchi shows like Dandadan than some that would give series with actual fujo pandering a chance.
>>7365Yes, this. Western fujos latched onto everything they got in the past, even if it was niche. Nowadays something has to be mainstream enough to flood casual tiktok channels to make them aware of it.
>>7366>I hate this too because it adds more steps if I want to save the art.It's just shift + rightclick.
No.7374
>>7372>"insides" that "become more female"Yeah, I constantly see this. Usually in conjunction with anal orgasm being compared to female orgasm, and I don't know if this is a translator quirk, but the guy will be described as squirting. It's usually portrayed as some kind of extra-intense orgasm that he can do multiple of? I still haven't wrapped my head around this one, whether it means he's supposed to be ejaculating the same fluid that women 'squirt' (i.e pee?)
No.7375
>>7349Literally the last big fujobait anime that got decently big in the West was Sk8. We don't get any others, people won't watch if the budget is shit and if it doesn't trend, which means slice of life like most BL that gets animated is out. Idolshit isn't as big. There's a joseimuke adaptation airing this season, Mahoyaku, and no one gives a shit or talks about it, apparently it's bad and it used the female MC.
>>7365The only current big fujos fandoms now I can think are JJK, Bnha, Blue Lock and then gacha like Genshin. Two of those manga ended and left people unsatisfied. Genshin is catering more to incels and refusing to release relevant male characters. Blue Lock is still pretty big despite the anime not being very good, but the fanbase in the West is full of a lot of annoying zoomers. What's rare for me to see is when an fujobait anime gets big enough to get adult fans. Let's face it, adults will tend to be better at writing fanfics. The last thing that was big enough to get that type of appeal was YOI and MDZS. Meanwhile some of these joseimuke properties like Hynosis Mic might be big in Japan, they don't have much of the same crossover appeal in the West at all. The type of anime to be mainstream enough to attract more people and therefore increasing your chances of finding higher quality Western fan content just isn't there. There's just nothing really new to hook this mass amount of fujos, which is why I guess a lot of them have been latching onto Jayvik from Arcane.
No.7376
>>7374No the TLs are usually correct. I use Rikaichamp which translates kanji and shows you the hiragana version of them if you hover over them, they actually use the female terms. I often also see the asshole being described as vagina-like (like "it looks almost feminine and lubricated") or the bottoming guy being called a woman or womanlike in a certain scenes, or he's having sex "like a woman".
They never actually make them cuntboys or trans or anything like that, the dudes actually stay dudes. It's limited on the language and therefore more tolerable than the western shit, but still strange and I swear I see it everywhere these days even though the men I read about aren't uke-like at all.
No.7377
No hate involved, but not sure where else to post it: I always find it sad how the love for many shippings is more about one of the characters than the ship itself.
When I love a ship I always love both characters. Usually even equally. But usually the fandom is so obsessed with one of them that I feel like they don't even give a shit about the other and only care because he happens to be the character their fav is shippable with. If it wasn't him they would draw and include a different dude.
It's especially prevalent for the two ships and fandoms I am into right now. Everybody always only talks about ONE of the dudes and a lot of the fanart is so centered around that guy that in both cases the other one is reduced to the role of a commentator or background character. Some fans even say they stick to the fandom because of [character] and don't even mention the other.
I never shipped like this so I cannot relate and it always makes me focus my art more on the ignored dude to give him more spotlight.
No.7378
>>7352If you don't like lolis and schoolgirls you basically have nothing to watch for anime. Then people will say you're a misogynist if you get tired of the teen girls and all the moe content and want to watch stuff about adults. Most popular yuri involves girls with these art styles and adult women are non-existent, or if they exist they're drawn like kids, like the ugly characters in that dragon maid show.
No.7380
>>7377What ship/fandom? Admittedly there are cases where it makes perfect sense to wind up massively caring about one party in a ship more than others. Sometimes a character is only interesting in regards to their relationship with yhe characteryou are interested in. Master/slave, teacher/student, brothers, ect a dynamic you like exists but only on end of the party initially calls out to you. Though from experience usually in the process of ruminating on their relations or in the process of writing you learn to appreciate the other more.
No.7384
>fic is written beautifully
>good tension, good characterization, good everything
>get to the smut
>vagina and trans jumpscare
I would say "every time" but although it's not every time, it is rather common
No.7386
>>7384wish they would tag that shit
No.7387
>>7384It's worse when you double check and nope, it's definetly M/M. Not a single tag to indicate it would happen.
I have a tag filter plugin that I cannot use AO3 without and people who withhold tags are the worst.
No.7423
It surprises me everytime I casually happen to see shit outside of my fujo- and talented artist bubbles and realise how many likes generic coomer art with lolis and traps is getting compared to top tier artworks, be they fujo or neutral.
I shouldn't be surprised that loli/trap porn is getting 2 mio. views and like 50k retweets but I still don't get it, especially because most of it is fucking generic. The artists aren't particularly good and the fanart is always blatantly ooc and usually off-model too and it's always the same poses. Usually just one 6-8 year old anime kid with ahegao.
It always makes me realise how niche everything is I like and make me fear that fictional media is doomed since these people are so many more and so much easier to pander to. There are basically no standards at all and they don't care about writing, dynamics or personalities either.
No.7504
>>7363Somewhat related, I feel like the lack of sexual experience really shows up in both the BL and twt fujo communities because since these people have never had sex with men or women and they really don't understand how the human body functions, for example, straight women will talk about how they like men with firm butts. This isn't because we want to peg them down or anything, but because in many sexual positions you can hold a man's ass and basically control him and his pace, you'd understand if you've had sexual experience but they haven't, personally after having sexual experiences you kind of lose interest in unrealistic sex because it just becomes silly
No.7509
>>7504Can’t deny this because I’ve never had sex kek
No.7512
>>7511Anon I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding something but what do you mean exactly? I find it hard to think someone wanting the sex scenes in yaoi to be realistic, do you want them to put an enemas up their ass or…? How do you want the two yaoi dudes to have realistic sex.. please explain, I am lost anon.
No.7513
>>7511I get the relationships changing your interesting in porn BL.
When I was in a relationship, a I could only get off to irl hetero porn. Now that we've broken up, I find BL erotic again however.
For me, I guess it's like, without sex, I get pent up and thus yaoi has an easier effect on me lol.
I guess yaoi also tends to have context, and thus, without a relationship, I want my porn to also give me that emotional part
No.7515
>>7512I mean more that in the realm of fanfiction people don't talk or act human when it comes to sex and when you've already had the real thing a facsimile of the act isn't as erotic. I'm not a gay man, I'm not policing the anatomy persay or logistics of the act, but most authors kind of fail in the emotional department, stuff like cheesey porn phrases or just being a scene detached from the characters acting more sun/dom in non-bdsm works.
Again I had always attributed it to getting older and less interest in porn for the sake of porn, but those subtle things just don't line up with my perception of sex. For the record though I do think great in-character porn is out there. Just not something I'm actively seeking out.
No.7516
>>7504I am a wizard (female) so I wouldn't know but it sounds normal. Even I cannot get off to coomer doujinshi for example because they're too fucking exaggerated and even I find them too unrealistic to be erotic. I can see why it would happen with fics as well if someone had sex.
This is why I afraid of writing sex scenes so far. I am more of an artist than fic writer but casually write. Never sex scenes though or at least not so far, I fear it would sound fake.
That said a lot of recent fics were so badly written even I noticed it. Particularly "meme" sex. Not sure how else to call it it but feels like someone had all of their knowledge about sex from funny porn memes.
>>7515God I love BDSM and I wish someone would actually write proper one. But it's as you say, you mostly get the bdsm-like acting with stupid phrases in non-bdsm scenes and the very few that tag a fic as BDSM get it all wrong.
No.7522
>>7512NTA but I would definitely be cool with more spur of the moment frotting, blowjobs, docking, intercrural etc than anal. Spontaneous anal is much more believable for feral-type monsterboys or tentacles. But I don't mind if characters in an established relationship use condoms or something.
No.7528
>>7516I can relate. I've once written a oneshot fic with a sex scene just cause the entire setup and scenario was buzzing around in my brain and I had to let it out. However, because I am also eligible to develop wizard mind-reading powers I was basically just copying what I've read in fics before and ACOTAR books and it's not sometimes I see myself doing again cause it's pretty obvious I'm just a faker.
>>7522>Spontaneous anal is much more believable for feral-type monsterboys or tentacles.I know that porn doesn't have to be realistic but if I watch something like the Given Hiiragi movie and I see a guy just initiate anal out of the blue I can't help but think of how it wouldn't be great without lube.
No.7531
I recently finally found a discord about my favorite characters (the only one) and it was fine for the most time. But for some fucking reason the admin invited a fucking 14yo even though we post NSFW. That alone isn't my problem, my problem is that said 14yo is drawing trans shit and cuntboy non-stop and since she keeps posting sketches all the time 50% of the discussions of the channel are now about the genderbent/tranny version of the bottoming guy.
Well I try to be a nice person so I keep my mouth shut.
But now the same admin reveals that she was allegedly depressed because of ME because I casually ship one half of the main pairing with a dude he is canonically gay with. It's a character-discord, not a pairing discord, so I refuse to abide to that rule. She just wants it because she personally "doesn't like it". Well I don't like troonwashing and het and I just told all of them.
They either accept it or kick me. Both is fine, but I hate that I am always forced to be the evil one for wanting fujo stuff in a fujo space. I hate that I most likely made a kid feel bad and that I always have to feel guilty after such discussions and I hate being the party pooper because apparently everybody else is fine with trans stuff.
It makes me feel like a pissed off rightwing boomer even though I am a left fag that hates rightwingers. Why can't we just go back in time when yaoi spaces were about yaoi and genderbending was limited to some rare, well-drawn joke pics made for fun?
No.7534
>>7531I just say PIV makes me uncomfortable and that I'd prefer spoiler tags and a content warning. If they demand a "why" they are automatically the bad guy. Honestly before any of that you should simply campaign on getting a minor out of an adult space.
No.7538
>>7534>I just say PIV makes me uncomfortable and that I'd prefer spoiler tags and a content warningOh yeah I should have thought of this. Defeat them with their weapons. I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't branded as the bad guy before, I am allergic against biases. It's obvious that not everybody will like everything that gets posted, but normal people that aren't terminally online know that and tolerate things they don't like and expect others to do the same. I don't like it when I am told what I am allowed to talk about and what now while I have to look at things I hate and tolerate because I am normal.
And yeah, no idea why she even allowed a damn kid in. Maybe she didn't know before since the 14yo has a "18+" in her bio. But the moment she revealed it I would block her ass. I don't even feel comfortable talking to underaged. Maybe when I was 19, certainly not after my mid 20s.
No.7546
>>7512>I find it hard to think someone wanting the sex scenes in yaoi to be realistic, do you want them to put an enemas up their ass or…?I think I'm in the minority, but I've liked that more works have included characters having to "prepare" themselves for anal; the idea that their sex is inconvenient, but they want it enough that they take multiple steps to get ready for it beforehand gives me the same vibe that foreplay scenes do
Not that I need to see an uke sitting on the toilet after douching or anything lol, but casual details that make yaoi seem more "realistic" makes the two characters feel more tangible to me even though it's ultimately still escapist 2D romance/smut
I understand why other fujos might hate it though
No.7550
>>7531No offense nonna but you really should just leave if they're all comfortable sharing an NSFW space with someone that young, really giving groomer vibes.
No.7554
>>7546I feel like some authors take advantage of it to show how secretly eager the tsundere uke is to have sex, it does work as a nice opportunity.
No.7558
I know it's stupid but if a character is transwashed/cuntboyed/feminized too often I might start disliking him I am sorry.
It's probably not a genuine dislike and I can get into him again when these types of fans are gone but as long as it lasts I simply associate him too much with that shit and I know that drawing him will most likely just headcanon my version as the same shit unless I am explicitly drawing him dicking another character.
As cringe as those fans are that have shitty orders in their bio like "my X is NOT a bottom DNI if you headcanon him as such" I am sometimes tempted to do the same for that other shit but it sounds too petty and I always looked down on people who take shit so seriously so I won't, but it's still annoying.
No.7559
>>7558It's stupid… but I've done it too
I saw one too many Zagreus cuntboy artworks, and with the overall Tumblr-esque aesthetic of the game I just can't unthink it when I see him
At the same time I didn't think he's that interesting and only cared for him in the context of Thanatos shipping, so maybe it only applies to characters that I don't feel strongly about
No.7560
>>7558If it starts getting to that point I go on a mass blocking/muting spree until it's completely out of my radar.
No.7567
>>7512NTA, I'm not asking for completely realistic sex, but sex feels "weightless" in the majority of yaoi, as if it happens between a sentient dildo and a fleshlight, but neither are attached to real human bodies. I feel like if someone has a sexual history with men or women, they would know what a body is like in bed, and I just want to read sex that feels like that, instead of just the same lines from bad porn
No.7568
>>7551very based
fiction makes it possible to remove annoying stuff and add new cool stuff, also another argument against those braindead aidens who claim that yaoi needs to be realistic for the sake of "representation"
let porn be porn
that said i do understand the appeal of sex being portrayed in a more realistic way however it shouldnt be expected
No.7571
I honestly don't know how much cleansing is needed for anal, some say enema is required and others that there isn't really any poop in the rectum normally until it's there ready to be shat out, I just ignore it in porn though.
No.7572
>>7568Completely agree. There can and should be a middle ground between decepting sex more realistic than a dildo and fleshlight VS. writing about very realistic gay sex with STDs, shit, farting, prep, etc. If I wanted very realistic sex, I would watch or read an LGBT drama instead of yaoi. But I'm also not a virgin and understand how a bit of realism can make sex scenes better.
No.7573
>>7571This is why I just make my guys use a condom if they want to fuck on the spot but it only works for established relationship.
The fic phenomenon of everybody improbably having lube on them is weirdly between the realistic and unrealistic scale because it shows that the author wants to acknowledge the realistic need for prep (depending on the person) but is unrealistically having people in x historical setting all conveniently carrying the mythical bottle of oil in their pocket kek.
No.7574
>>7573My favorite historical man has his ass always pre-lubed when he visits his love interest(s) in fics because he's a slut.
No.7600
Technically not just a bl thing but I see it enough in my fandom. It annoys me to no end when I’m reading a fanfic and the author has either a very basic understanding of economics and finance or pretty much no understanding at all but still decides to put their two cents into how to run a successful corporation (in the fanfic). Like no, you can’t just fire people willy-nilly even if you are the CEO. And it’s not even in the company’s best interest to fire any employee because it opens the company up to tons of issues.
No.7602
>>7600I just hate CEO AU's in general, it's such a fucking retarded trope
No.7605
>>7602I hate CEO AU’s too, but this particular fandom has a few characters that own businesses.
No.7607
>>7602I have legit never seen a CEO AU so far. Sounds better than mermaid, genderbend or coffee shop AUs but that might be because I think of Fukumoto series when I think of CEOs.
No.7613
>>7607I only ever see it when one character is already designated as the school "rich kid" it's basically just an aged up AU from my experiences, though like the other nonnas said it's usually written by people with no life experience and comically unrealistic.
No.7641
>>7270It can be annoying and just plain confusing, like in the Vivzieverse, Angel Dust and Stolas are constantly labeled as twinks and skinny but they have the exact same body type as every other character, it's fucking weird and that's why I can't enjoy old school fujo works either because the supposedly beautiful characters will literally just be recolors of the ugly old characters, it's just tiring
No.7645
>>7641I really dislike the fear of making a character not-generic-pretty like when they label someone ugly or fat but make them look exactly like every other 14 year old super model of the series and the only difference is that they have glasses or some shit and the fat is usually invisible to begin with. I hate the obsession with pretty doll designs and they bore me to death due to over-usage. So-called flawed characters are usually hotter.
No.7646
>>7645>hate the obsession with pretty doll designs tbf, that's the standard in East Asian countries and it was even more extreme back then
No.7652
>>7648I actually picked the series up for him. Though it was mostly for the face. Never read an Asada manga before.
No.7658
>>7648I hate it too. I know a lot of people probably like that he’s unique, but I can’t help thinking about my dad when I see those balding hairstyles and I don’t wanna think about my dad in BL.
No.7659
>>7658kek this is how I feel about Sadamune from elusive samurai. I even think he's handsome when he isn't emotional for a second, but I cannot be attracted to him in any way, he looks too much like my father lmao
The dude from Sleeping Dead actually reminds me of a friend I had who looked the same in his mid twenties.
No.7660
>>7658My dad looks sorta like a French bulldog. Everytime I see one, I see my father in their little eyes.
No.7661
>>7660Sorry for OT but this reminds me of something that was too funny. I was walking home from school with a friend once when we were ~13 and I saw a car that looked strangely like a male classmate of ours but didn't say anything. Suddenly, she tells me "This car looks just like Phillip" (I even remember the name because of this episode).
How much can a person look like a car? Or was it just telepathy? It was a strange experience.
No.7703
>>7669Patalliro is a bad example, since it specifically parodies a bunch of shoujo and yaoi tropes.
No.7708
I'm not the biggest fan of guro and ryona. I know, not so rotten of me but deep down I'm a huge bitch who gets sad when the character i root for is getting tortured to death. I don't get any sexual pleasure from a dude getting his balls crushed but seems popular here so idk.
No.7709
>>7708Same I never open /ex/, I don't mind self harm or a character getting beat up but then I need fluff afterwards where another character helps them heal.
No.7720
>>7708I prefer when it's used to show how strong a character is. You can fuck him up but he'll just keep walking. The mood's really different with that, if the victim is confident and everyone else is shocked and frightened by him not being easy to take down. Course the people closest to him will tell him off after, they think he took a terrible gamble just to win at mind games.
No.7721
>>7708Same, I don't like fluff either but both extremes are shit IMO. Because I either like the character and don't want him to suffer or I don't give a shit about him and then no ryona or bully will make me care. It's useless.
>>7720This. Yeah. It's used in a meaningful way opposed to be added for the sake of itself.
No.7723
>>7720Honestly, the only time I like ryona is when the person being inflicted is a masochist who enjoys being beat up kek.
No.7724
>>7708It's kinda weird with me cause I don't mind if a BL game I'm playing has a bad ending where the love interest goes yandere and rapes and kills the protagonist but I'd never want to see art or a doujin where a guy I like from a game or anime gets mutilated like that. I heard there's an infamous Yuri on ice doujin like that and I'm definitely in the camp of "Get that shit away from me."
No.7732
>>7724>It's kinda weird with me cause I don't mind if a BL game I'm playing has a bad ending where the love interest goes yandere and rapes and kills the protagonist but I'd never want to see art or a doujin where a guy I like from a game or anime gets mutilated like that. I heard there's an infamous Yuri on ice doujin like that and I'm definitely in the camp of "Get that shit away from me."I think it's because sex is never realistic in most yaoi, even the non-con ones are an idealised fantasy, but with torture and mutilation there can't be any kind of eroticization to compensate, it's just someone's limbs being cut and stabbed and you can't make that sexy, it's like shit-play really
No.7776
>>7732>>7724Personally I think it's very different when the source material included fucked up content than when a fanwork does. Not sure how to articulate but Aoba being turned into an amputee hits completely different than if someone wrote a fanfic where one of the Free boys was disfigured. I think it's just that a lot of dead dove fanfics are so detached from the tone of the main work it no longer feels like a "fan" fic. Grimdark or super serious interpertaions are one thing but if it's not in line with the world then it's just edge for the sake of edge.
No.7780
>>7776Nitro+Chiral tends to specialize in bad endings so the story naturally lends itself to allow such endings to flow better compared to anime in general.
No.7781
>>7780True, all their worlds are fucked up it doesn't seem out of place.
Another thing leading off of that point, and maybe it's just a bit judgmental of me, but while I get the appeal of whumps or nasty things happening to a character who is canonically pushed around. When someone creates a super fucked up fanfic that doesn't have a plot beyond being goreporn I also just wonder what someone sees in the character. If your entire fic is just X character getting dismembered by character Y then what's even the point of making it a fanfic? Do you even like character X? Again if it's a stockholm fic where a character is beaten but slowly learns to love their capture that's one thing, or if they are trying to escape a murderer that makes sense. It' particularly fics that are 4000 words of nothing that make me raise and eyebrow.
Sorry for being a moralfag.
No.7885
"women's hips" on males
No.7886
>>7781> I also just wonder what someone sees in the character. If your entire fic is just X character getting dismembered by character Y then what's even the point of making it a fanfic? Do you even like character X?Venting, unironically. I've met far too many people that heavily into gore (most of them tend to be antis for some reason?) and 99% of the time the gore extremists are just venting on the character. Whether it's self-victimization and a form of mental self-harm (I am literally the character and I love to relieve my trauma while getting raped and cut up) or just sadism depends on the person but everyone who does this is never mentally sane
No.7889
Incel AU's
No.7898
>>7892Yes but I haven't gone through the entire channel yet so maybe I didn't watch that particular video or I only half paid attention. I just find certain kinds of fetish art morbidly fascinating.
No.7905
>>7904I agree, but aging them up a single year doesn't bother me and feels natural as a "post canon" fic. Meanwhile I hate the fact that for series with child characters like Invader Zim or South Park it is incredibly difficult to find canon-adjacent works since it's all aged up to high school fics.
No.7907
>>7905i think the +1 year choice can work well with a post-canon fic yes, in that case it doesn't bother me, but most of the times it's a very obvious anti fussing over the age of consent, and you can tell because the setting is the same as the original but they put a note like "i aged them up tho". it comes across as very goofy tbh.
with children characters, i get why people would want to age them up, because it's more understandable to feel uncomfortable about writing them in certain settings. it's less neurotic than being bothered by two 17 yrs old having sex.
personally i'm not against shota content though and i do wish that you could find more canon-compliant fanfics for that too, especially because then it feels like a whole new thing that isnt even linked to the series anymore, so i get you nona
No.7910
>>7904I find it so contrived. Like if they’re still in a high school setting but you say they’re 18-20, why not just use their canon age instead of pretending 20 year olds in high school is normal (I’ve actually encountered fics like this before).
>>7905>post canonI hate post canon fics. Like why would I wanna read about these characters after all the interesting stuff already happened? I find them really boring because the author either doesn’t make up another conflict or they make one up but it’s never as compelling as the original conflict (unless the story was literal garbage I guess).
No.7913
>>7910>post canonStrong disagree, the plot is done so it's time to tie up loose ends. Characters who don't have a resolved arc can have a "where are they now" fic, in sci-fi or fantasy you can have fics focusing on rebuilding after the main incident. It's also where you get to deal with emotional fallout and the strong emtions that come after the climatic battle where MC-kun almost saw his partner die to the villian or vice-versa.
Missing-scene is personally my favorite type of fic, but canon-divergence and post-canon tie for a close second.
No.7970
>>7913This. I wish there were more post canon fics. Most of the characters I love die though but there could be a survival post canon story, though they're rare.
If you are more into side characters or antagonists the canon will most likely leave a lot of shit unresolved or undisclosed, it's much better to get a proper end in form of a fic since the official works rarel give a shit about anybody but the MCs who are IMO usually the weakest characters of a story.
No.7984
>>7980That's just the people honest enough to tag it. I've read fic that seemed good at first but slowly I realised it must have been edited AIslop when I recognised some tells like overuse of 'searing kiss', AI loves that phrase for some reason.
No.7985
>>7983>Starksy & Hutch>Hey Duggee>BlueyI mean the rest I can see why they’d have that many because they’re a large fandom but these three perplex me.
No.7986
>>7980I don't know why AO3 staff hasn't just banned this already. It literally has no value.
No.7987
>>7986If it was about value it'd be on FFN.
Which has actual rules about quality.
AO3's an archive and I don't get how people cannot understand that yet. Yes it's ass. Yes it's unattractive in every way. But so are a lot of the posts on an anonymous image board, which get archived, and it's a free for all buffet of trash. You take everything, or start forming lines and honestly, I'd rather ignore the AI.
AI writing sucks. But either you get a tag, or you get people uploading it anyway and posting as anon so you can't even hide it.
No.7989
>>7985Starsky and Duggee are both spams from a single "author" Bluey is more than one person. I suppose in a way it's somewhat reassuring that at least a fifth of the AI on the site is coming fomr just two people.
>>7987I get that, and I see the argument of it as a preventative measure so that at least it's tagged, but I still think that it should fall under "Not a fan work" and don't see any value in works that have no human involvement that took 2 minutes to generate. It doesn't even have a place in an archive.
The only AI I'll tolerate is someone using it for proofreading or translating a work. Full generation has no artistic value unlike a 16 year old writing horrible error riddled smut does.
No.7993
>>7983>Bluey I'm not woke enough for this
No.8004
>>7993I just can't get into it, I'll ship the Wild Kratts or Wordgirl characters but Bluey is too young leaning for me, I'm a bit shocked it's so big given the show has nothing for adults.
No.8005
>>8004Who do you ship in wordgirl lol? I don’t remember much fujo potential. Also why was a boy having a crush on his sister a running joke in a childrens show?
No.8006
>>8005There isn't I just have no standards and can't let go of middle school interests
I'll take anything but I always liked Two-Brains and TobyThis convo is making me think of the people in the confessions thread who were talking about liking cartoons. I think when you're little you just ravenously ship everything with no regards to actual viability or shipping quality. In that sense the only thing that makes Bluey unusual is that is has a brony-tier fanbase and isn't young children who will refine their pallet later.
No.8007
>>7993I had a MLP friendship is magic phase so I feel like I probably can't dunk on the bluey enjoyers but I also don't know whether that target audience skews even younger than FiM.
No.8008
Bulges, just look gross.
No.8009
>>8008Actually let me clarify it's only bad when it's through pants, if they're changing in a locker room or something and he's getting teaser by other guys that's fine.
No.8014
Not sure if someone said this before here BUT I FUCKING HATE BAIT ANIME! I hate it so much with a burning passion! No, I do not want to share a fandom with yumejos and delusional moids, I do not want to wait an eternity for the charcters to end up marrying the FL, I do not want to be invested in something that doesn't even have them holding hands or confessing their love to one another! Like yeah sure you can say I'm missing out and beggars can't be choosers BUT BE FUCKING FOR REAL for how long am I going to remain a beggar? The last time that happened with Yuri on Ice we got bamboozled and didn't get that movie, I am sick of it
No.8018
I would say hate is a strong word, but I really disliked being baited and switched by Vanitas no Carte. The theme song animation made it look like it was going to heavily imply bl but then both the men were nearly immediately aggressively heterosexual. What a let down.
No.8019
>>8014The characters I like never end up with girls but I still seethe because it never ends well regardless. They either break up, one of them gets killed or some other shit makes me believe that there is either some anti-gay conspiracy or just homophobic mangaka that cannot tolerate happy ends for characters with gay-coded relationships.
I don't even need 100% canon as in kisses-on-screen since that would never happen in shows that aren't outright BL but I also don't understand the people that defend this when nobody ever complains about the billions of confirmed het pairings that almost every single anime has.
I don't even demand the romance the het pairings get (mostly because it's awfully written anyway) but at least do not bait me or destroy the pairing. Holy shit.
I am not talking about stuff like WSJ MCs where it's obvious that they end up with a female LI, I mean close relationships that exist throughout the show up till the end and then like a year before the manga ends they have to get separate, get NTRed, one gets killed or some shit that confirms they were never together.
No.8020
>>8018Yeah I hadn't heard of the subject material before watching it but I dropped that shit as soon as I realised what was actually going on.
No.8021
>>8020>>8018tbh I saw no promo material and shit so I never assumed it would be gay and mostly watched it because I loved Pandora Hearts and expected some cool setting, drama and well-written characters and het-pairings but I didn't even get that.
I lost my hopes when Jeanne turned out to be pure waifu coomer fanservice after her introduction. Not sure why the series is so much worse, PH was pretty cool all around. And while I didn't ship het I liked the pairings because they worked. Here it was just one-dimensional shit with lots of tits and insecure waifu blushing.
No.8023
Whenever I find a doujin that has been translated to English but it says it's been translated with Google Translate. Sometimes it can be edited to the point where you don't really notice but most of the time it's pretty mediocre and something always feels off. I love reading doujins but between machine translated or not knowing what it says, I think I choose the latter.
No.8032
>>8023I'm somewhat optimistic that AI translations will eventually get good enough to serviceably translate works. Never as good as a human of course because it can't leave notes or pick up on nuances, but I'd love to be able to read untranslated DJ and have a good idea of at least what's going on.
No.8065
>>8014The problem here is that BL rarely gets anime or if it does, it's slice of life. No interesting plots or worldbuilding, nothing that will generate a fandom or long-term interest unlike the bait shows. I'm tired of bait too but nothing else ever gets popular or gets anything but quality animation. Yuri on Ice was the last time and that was almost a decade ago.
No.8066
>>8065>yoi>almost a decade agoSomehow, this pains me.
No.8073
>>8072It reads like actual ERP goon texting. Like the kind of thing someone getting off while sexting would type. I know He would not say that is effectively a meme, but- well, he would not say that.
I've even ctrl f-ed 'daddy' before in fanfic before reading and closed the tab when I found it.
But I think I hate comedy dialogue more. I remember this one really popular VN from years ago I tried and quit immediately because whoever was writing apparently didn't understand the way people talk. I don't know how to describe it other than being funny- trying to be funny.
No.8074
>>8072>Do I just not have the brain to read smut?I think you have the brain to read smut written by adult women that don't act semi-retarded when they're horny
I get the feeling that a lot of it is just a "fanfic loop" where teens that only read Kinktober fanfic slop regurgitate the style back into their own writing for someone else to read and mimic
The corny BDSM monologues probably came from that, along with characters giving lectures about sex safety and consent
In my experience, good smut fics are hidden away in niche or inaccessible fandoms (AKA media teens would need to actively seek out because it's not on their FYP or streaming)
Original Works has a lot of pornsick men writing out autistic fantasies though lol
No.8075
>>8074I think safety and consent lectures are great when the content is in no way safe or healthy.
But the amount of content that does it is slim and as far as I know- I'm the only one who's done it. I'm sure there are works out there that have it, but I wish I could find them for the fandoms I like
No.8076
>>8074>along with characters giving lectures about sex safety and consentGod i hate it so much. It always breaks the immersion and i feel like i'm reading about two reddit kinkster DnD players having sex (which is what those authors are). I've stopped reading fics solely because of this
>Original Works has a lot of pornsick men writing out autistic fantasiesIt's mostly that and some soulful smut by women