/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>5315
>I've always been too far in my own head, daydreaming whatever makes me feel good to worry at the time of creation if it's allowed or not
This so much. And it makes everything worse namely BECAUSE you are stuck in your dreams. It makes it so much harder to focus on reality and knowing what's going on. I am the type of person that has never heard the names of the most popular actors or singers and other stuff. Others claim I was a liar or a kid or boomer if we talk online since they don't understand that someone could just filter and avoid 90% of the information outside or focus on the wrong one while lacking basic understanding of what everybody else is thinking and feeling.

I wish I could sperg about my pairings and series outside of anon boards. But I can't for the exact reasons you mentioned. It also makes me kinda paranoid of being accused of being evil by friends or something because I know no matter how dumb it is I will wonder if it's true because it was often true in the past because I don't understood rules and people. And normalfags will usually only tell you when it's too late and they are already venting against you.

>>5316
>expect the MCs to be the super special ones that can do everything and survive everything because many authors write a story to shill their MCs to begin with
you are absolutely right nona, i wish i found more media that didn't do this as much

>>5302
Most of these people are Americans and it's the default attitude in America. You didn't notice it in the 00s because the internet wasn't where everyone was. Most of these kids aren't even neets, many of them are in high school or university. Most Americans are more conservative than you think, it's very common for them to have been raised like this and be surrounded by people like this in school for most of their lives.

>>5412
I always felt like this was the case but since I used huge discord channels for a bigger fandom I am in I confirmed it. It's almost solely US Americans. Like basically 100%.

And yeah I am always shocked when I hear it since most are in their 20s but they somehow still go to school. They're always school kids basically and behave like super conservative fundamentalist 13 year olds that pretend to be progressive for some reason and maybe that's exactly what they mentally are.
I am baffled but I regularly see some 24yos talking about parental abuse because the parents told them to wash the dishes or something. Never considered myself mature, but compared to what I am seeing of these people I was a veteran by the time I hit the late teens and their constant anxiety and fear of absolutely everything makes them look even more childish.

>fandom thread on LC having another moralfag infight about shotafags again.

god the site is unusable these days, you can see nonas clearly trying to chime in with discussion outside of the stupid infight but its bumped out and ignored in favour of the shitty bait thats just going in circles. i dislike shota content but i dont let it take up my mind or make it a moral brigade to condemn everyone whos into it, why the fuck are anons there insinuating that shotafags are trying to make their fetishes socially acceptable or compare their interests on the same level as moids who actually act out their perversions.

>>5431
Everyone on that site is crazy combative and there are so many users with fujoshi derangement syndrome.

>>5412
As an ESL non-American can concur, trying to introduce all these pro/anti discourse talking points to my fandom has always been rightfully met with ridicule and hostility. The only people who I've seen doing it have been extremely terminally online teenagers who consume American tiktok content to the point they literally can't speak in their native tongue anymore and only speak in a gargled mish mash of English and online slang.

>>5431
I miss when LC clowned on moralfags and just made you hide threads, now I see people on /ot/ calling lolita fashion pedo-bait and newfags hating on anyone who uses 4chan. I want all the twitter and tiktokfags out. I miss when admins atleast attempted to do so like kpop. Fandom thread is now full of outsiders who clearly don't belong in LC, I can't believe it started as a way to make fun of fandom kiddies and discourse became a place where those people congregate.

>>5438
>That one newfag in the fandom thread who admitted that she had no idea what Kuroshitsuji was about or who Yana Toboso is but still felt it was appropriate to have an opinion about it
Will forever be my Lolcow watershed moment. I need these people OUT but the farmhands seem to be tiktok zoomers themselves so fat chance having any kind of quality control.

>>5431
Don't like shota either but tired of normie tradthots sperging over freaking drawings. They should prioritize bigger issues like troon takeovers and actually helping real women. Yea know, things that matter?

>>5431
> i dislike shota content but i dont let it take up my mind or make it a moral brigade to condemn everyone whos into it
Same. I don't like it but same as with waifu talk I simply don't reply and post the stuff I like or talk about the plot. Threads are MEANT to allow multiple discussions at once as long as they're on-topic.
But I swear even /a/ has these people now, it's more likely to be fujo hate than shota hate there (though I see both) but it's anons who get offended over others' tastes and take it strangely personally. There are threads where you can't even post harmless friendship fanart anymore without one anon going full anti-gay fandom cop.

I can't stand people throwing a fit over preferences and LC in particular is so bad with this. One of the reasons for why I left it, too much negativity and ad hominem. I feel like most only go there to vent and take a shit on everything they hate that they can say on instagram.
>>5437
>extremely terminally online teenagers who consume American tiktok content to the point they literally can't speak in their native tongue anymore
Holy shit so the guys I met WEREN'T an exception? First I assumed they're Anglo immigrants, but they're born here, they just consume so much shit they forgot to speak anything but English. Only seen it with zoomers but still.

>>5441
I figure it's a dogwhistle to them, I won't believe for a second that they're genuinely concerned over fictional teenagers or think that women into cute anime boys will ever molest real life kids like men do. When they're sperging out over "shota" they usually mean just fujo stuff in general because they all brand fujos as inherently degenerate pedophiles since that's the most convenient label to drop at someone's feet if you want to tarnish their reputation, even though straight shota exists and literally every heterosexual otome franchise out there has the boyish "shota" archetype included.

>>5443
>literally every heterosexual otome franchise out there has the boyish "shota" archetype included
I think this has stopped in recent years outside of gacha. When I look at random otome games now I usually see a bunch of ikemens around the same age with maybe one guy in the late teens and one guy in early 30s.

>>5444
One guy in his "30s" who looks barely older than the rest. I will never understand who signs off of such boring choices.

>>5446
This shit is the worst. At least give him lines under his eyes! Even Kyo Kara Maou managed that and those brothers were meant to be a long lifed race.

>>5443
Yeah this. It's an easy way to tarnish someone's reputation. It's like how gays are associated with pedophilia when pedophilia is actually much more common among hetero men, like 80% or more of all pedo crimes involve adult men sexually abusing girls, not boys. And it's funny seeing yumes attack shota fags when 99% of the anime fandom cooms to girls that look like 12. It only ever bad if it has fujos involved.

I have also seen anons on 4chan assuming that fujo equaled shota fag. When I say that I prefer adult dudes some people claim I must a gay man. Hell I actually got attacked on LC once for having an allegedly male taste. I didn't even post actual bara or anything it was dudes like Tsurumi.

I also don't take any yume that accuses others seriously as long as she's into the forced marriage trope and they are almost ALL into the forced marriage or even slavery trope. Nothing against that per se, since fiction=! real life. But double standards etc.
>>5447
Second that, I love guys like that. Signs of older age but still ikemen. I hate the "s/he is old but looks like 22" thing.

>>5448
>"s/he is old but looks like 22" thing
If we're talking ancient old, literally only works for me if their personality is made of tired and melancholy, which is one of my favorite things ever but more often they make them whiny and annoying about it. I don't want it as comic relief reminders of their age, I want other characters to feel it doesn't match their appearance.

>>5451
I like the grumpy ones too though tbh I am also a fan of the crazy energetic old characters and older occultists and that. By "old" I mean at least 35. Though I am fine with young ones too as long as they're not teens. I disliked teens even when I was a teen myself. Couldn't relate and if I cannot relate I cannot like so I was never into those 40yo that look like 20 and act like it and most of them are "ara ara"s anyway.
The only one I accept is Frieren, since the she is the first ancient-but-young-looking character I have ever seen who was actually written like an ancient character. Teens are rather the opposite of attractive to me but maybe that's just me being the shady, angry autistic guy so I couldn't relate to hyperactive brats and super social "nice" characters.

One of the worst fanfiction squicks I have are when authors write the yelling in ALL CAPITALS or when they get too vague in referring to a character aside from their name (e.g. the brunette gunslinger, the blue eyed man, and I kid you not, there was a fucking fic where one character was referred to as "the brit" the entire time) it immediately takes me out of the immersion and I have to close the fic before I die from embarrassment

>>5485
I feel that second one, I think the author is too afraid of being repetitive with using the character's name, but it just comes off as silly.

>>5485
I entered a fandom recently, unsure if my sloppy drabbles would appeal, only to find that every lewd fic read like "the black haired put his lips to the bluenette's nape". Shocked I didn't see any orbs but I think people straight up forget the color of the character's eyes in this series.

The only fandom my brain thinks of where there's british people is BBC Sherlock where "the brit" would be so hilariously unhelpful.

>>5485
>>5492
The overuse of epithets, yes! I guess since it's two males they fear all the he/him/his may confuse the reader as to who they're referring to? But then just use their name.. A fic I recently read called the black-haired character "the ravenette" the entire time, no joke.

I'm 90% sure this has been mentioned before but I haaate when fic writers slip into ooc bdsm lingo. It completely takes me out of the story and is such a turnoff. Why is this repressed fantasy-world man suddenly acting like a cringe pornsick dom on tiktok the second he starts fucking? "you're doing so good for me, I know you like that" STOP!!
I guess I just hate when smut is ooc and copy-paste feeling, like it's just a random sex scene with these two characters names or image pasted on instead of deeply woven into the world and characters

>>5485
>>5494
An old fujo friend I had did that too and it made her novel impossible to read. They misunderstand that the rule of not repeating words only applies to nouns and adjectives and such, not pronouns. It should always be "he" and sometimes the name. If you are a good writer you can reduce even the names and pronouns to a minimum since the optimal case is that the reader is able to tell who is talking based on the voice they use and the flow of the dialogue.

A good and talented fujo friend I have has once written an entire direct speech sex fic of two characters and I could follow all of it perfectly, always knew who was talking because the dialogue was well written and the voices and manner of speech recognizable.

>>5485
a similar peeve i have is spelling mistakes and although i know some errors could slip through betas/editing, reading "he couldnt breath." cracks me up when its supposed to be a serious scene.

>>5485
>>5506
Since we're talking about this, a big issue I have with fics that isn't mentioned yet is the formatting. Especially common are fics with one or even two blank lines after every sentence. It looks bad and is surprisingly annoying to read and tbh I usually dip out when I see it without even reading it.
Opposite extreme are block texts. A rarer but just as annoying issue I have encountered are texts that are divided into paragraphs of the exact same length. The content of the story doesn't even match them, so you have lines thrown together that should be separated by an empty line and single scenes being cut off midways. It's weird as fuck.

It shouldn't be hard I am not expecting some professional book formatting, just nothing obviously weird and distracting.

>>5507
This! I dont even mind nor care if it doesnt follow proper spacing structure, I just need the fic to be cohesive yet structured apart so im not just looking at a wall of text but not too far apart im reading a text fic.

>>5507
People who feel the need to put a new line after every sentence are typically using a narrow window where the input box makes their single sentence appear to be more than one line long. The most common factor in making it narrow is using a smart phone in portrait. Really makes you think.

>>4907
The pain.

Let's be real unless you are into shounen MCs most crushes and obsessions will end horribly for your you and your favs. Almost nobody I was ever obsessed over survived his own series and usually they die in terrible ways. And I am not even talking about bait and switching, pairing break-up or erasure etc.


Here a list of ALL of my last loves/favs since 2018 and how it ended:

>A gets partly mind controlled by evil entity, kills his friend B, eventually commits suicide because his condition gets worse and is untreatable
>guy fucks his life up on purpose, gets progressively more mentally ill as the series progresses, commits suicide (AGAIN)
>A gets unironically groomed by his leader B who he sacrifices everything for. Eventually B gets a redemption arc, hates his past and A, whose existence he created himself, kills him mercilessly in a fight, becomes depressed. Gets executed at the end.
>Guy lost everybody siding with him, his world plagued by terrorists and rebels. Loses his shit and gets torn into two pieces
>both, A and B guys get executed
>fate of A and B not clear yet, was all funny and heart-warming until halfway in, now everything breaks apart and both will most likely die lonely


I can't believe that the MOST POSITIVE outcome of all of this crap is the double execution since they're at least dying together. This is the fate of a fucking fujo.

Can you imagine liking het and generic MCs and seeing all your ships being healthy, confirmed and everybody being happy in the end?
I can't.

yoru to asa no uta was a huge disappointment

>shorter seme
>retarded uke

put kuudere, stupidly in love, childish mannerism uke right at the top of shit i hate in BL. i like when both characters are masculine and edgy, in different ways. one of them being whiny and 'pure' completely ruins it for me.

>>5713
>one of them being whiny and 'pure' completely ruins it for me.
God, same. Completely turns me off because I am not into children and it makes the relationship one-sided as fuck and the whiny character usually has the depth of a sheet of paper.

And yeah fuck kuudere. I get that people want mysterious characters but kuudere aren't mysterious to me, just boring and monotonous. Rei is the single kuudere I accept because it's the only time I have seen this trope done right and there is more to her than the silent trait. Nowadays most of these characters are just kuudere for the fetish.

>>5721
>it makes the relationship one-sided as fuck
Yes, I can't stand this. Fixed seme/uke roles, I can accept this, but I don't want it to feel like the seme just selfishly does whatever he wants while his boyfriend acts like sex is a chore or he's just doing him a favour, I don't want it to feel like only one party is in love with the other and only one of them ever shows their affection. I want them to have the banter that your average couple does.
Sadly the innocent uke trope is super common with my ship/fandom so it's hard for me to avoid right now.

>>5722
Same anon but I should add probably the most egregious example from my ship that I ever saw in a Japanese fanwork
>He's so pure that he had a dry prostate orgasm just from the seme making out with him for the first time! He doesn't come from his dick! He naturally orgasms like a woman!
Blech, please spare me.

>>5713
I do hope she comes out with a reverse chapter at some point, considering it was mentioned that the uke was close to topping.

>>5722
i feel you nona, and im sure its not an issue just of your current fandom but a common problem with BL in general. this is why i went from liking fixed dynamics to enjoying riba, and it's so much better on this side

>>5722
To be honest I can also not relate or develop these characters. Like what's even left to interpret or read into if a character is all "waaah waaah"?

One of my most beloved pairings has a guy being rather passive too, but he's neither scared nor pure and he's a grown ass man anyway. The other dude is the one initiating everything, clinging to him etc. and he usually smiles then or ignores it if he's focused on something else.
I guess it's just a subjective issue and since I am a silent fag that never talks about my feelings IRL I can easily imagine him to be similar and just enjoy it silently or to be the guy that doesn't appreciate the lover enough (which might eventually lead to a conflict) or whatever.

If you asked me to write a text about what a whiny, pure uke or waifu is feeling I would draw blanks.

>>5727
>If you asked me to write a text about what a whiny, pure uke or waifu is feeling I would draw blanks
It's not actually inaccurate to say this type of uke's feelings may not be equal to the seme's because the trope goes way back culturally. Erastes/eromenos literally mean lover and beloved, and that dynamic was very similar to how the ideal shudo relationship was supposed to work in Japan - the older dominant party pushes his sexual desire onto the passive younger party and the passive party is supposed to put up with it out of a sort of love/pity/duty but not be horny. Obviously you can make a lot of comparisons to women's idealized sexuality or lack thereof too.
But also with Japan even before those formal shudo relationships the receiving party acting like they don't want it goes back to the Heian period. A man forcing himself on a woman and the woman putting up a front of resistance and refusal but actually being into the guy was super common in the literature. So to go back to what you said, going by this ancient fetish, the uke is moved by the seme's passion and feels pity for him that gives way to love.

An occasional thing I have seen with various ships in Japanese fic is that the description may outright say that the seme's feelings are only 恋 (romantic/sexual love) while the uke's are 愛 (the more 'pure' love unrelated to sex)
So yeah, it's coded in the culture. You could draw an interesting parallel to people in western fandom who write one character as asexual and one character as non asexual and they fuck anyway but the asexual nobly puts up with it and is not horny but just loves seme-kun so very much, but I feel the reasons for writing this isn't the same, it's more for self projection reasons than an expected cultural norm. Still interesting to compare.

Hate is probably too strong of a word but I find these types of -verses just cringy. https://x.com/chillchill_gr/status/1861213281257472327

>>5831
it's stupid shit, there are like 1/2 BL published with that verse, like pom(eranian)verse, the one that got more "popular" is dom/sub verse

If it was actual cannibalism maybe it'd be more interesting

Smoking. Can't help but associate with that awful smell and taste and aging. The only good thing is that characters who smoke have an oral fixation, but I wish my favs didn't smoke

>>5831
I watched a video about this a while ago. It's too goofy to be erotic to me, lol.

>>5842
I thought it started as actual cannibalism and the 'soft' version happend later. Either way when I see cakeverse tagged, I don't click on it just in case.
But have you guys seen 'Iceverse'? It's even more depressing. The roles there are Juice and Ice and as basically as soon as the two realise their romantic feelings for each other, they die. Very emo. Reminds me of sweetpool…

>>5842
Based. They also should've not made it cake-themed because I can't help but think all of the Fork characters are like the adult version of the fat kid from Willy Wonka lol.

>>5859
>Juice and Ice and as basically as soon as the two realise their romantic feelings for each other, they die
WHAT LOL

>>5862
Check it out in pixiv dictionary here
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B9%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9
DeepL translation:
>The ice-verse refers to the special setting of two species: ice, which melts when it is bound to juice, and juice, which melts ice.
The name is derived from the appearance of the ice melting in the juice as it loses its life as soon as the love is fulfilled.

>It is thought to have been derived from the special setting called the Omegaverse or the Cakeverse.

>>5863
Thanks for the spoonfeed. Respect for the brainrot.

>>5865
I think I misunderstood this and it's only the 'ice' who dies, not both of them… Not too sure because I never read a fic with this setting.

>>5863
Thinking about it, isn't this basically just Hanahaki Disease in reverse?

Not Hime hetshippers over-fantasizing about the feelings of drawings like they always do, lol. I’m sorry, but I’ve never seen anyone other than het shippers being so thirsty and desperate about their canon ships. They act more upset than people with crack ships, and it’s so annoying.

Tsunderes in general. They're annoying and badly written 99% of the time if canonically implied. If it's up to interpretation, fandom is awful at identifying it correctly and ends up misinterpreting and mischaracterizing the source media overall. It's the shipping version of how parents would tell their young children that their bullies have crushes on them.