/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>9118
I want every character I like turned into a uke with no ugly bastards. Both the uke and seme must be cute but I almost always want the seme to also take dick somehow. The solution is sex pollen so the seme isn't mischaracterized or generic mobs like tentacles if I want to see either character fucked by a third party. Or maybe riba. Or just reading both A/B and B/A. My bias is turning characters I love into ukes.
>>9124
>Flynn/Yuri
based, I also think I know the exact log you're talking about without looking it up :(

>>8991
No, but I'm a degenerate who is not limited by dimensions.

>>9105
>>9131
>>9135
>why you would rather self insert as a NTR mob character over a pretty guy.
there's a post in the fandom thread on lc about how many modern men, especially the type of men who are into doujins, are so ugly and out of shape that they are physically unable to project themselves into the attractive young hero or even male fantasy macho action hero. They can only insert themselves as disgusting creatures, orcs, goblins and pigs. There is also a humiliation aspect, they enjoy seeing both their waifus and male characters they envy being raped by things they would find disgusting.

>>9177
I never understood people like that. I project into cool super strong male heroes when I like them because I have fun imagining being like them for being cool. I don't think I was the only girl who desire to be like Skeletor or He-Man as a kid (ignore the gender, I am more likely to measure characters by coolness and designs so I can do both).

I cannot imagine being unable to selfinsert into any character that doesn't look like me.

That said yeah, a lot of male doujinshi fan relates to tentacle monsters and orcs. I also feel like men in general never ship side characters. They either want the MC to win their favorite girl or they want goblin rape doujinshi with her. I have never once seen a dude being fan of a ship that excludes the MC.

>>9190
Interesting you mention childhood since I don't think I liked male characters until maybe middle school. For instance Velma used to be my favorite Scooby Doo character as a kid because I wore glasses and was a tomboy so Daphne was too "girly." Now that mindset is so juvnile to me even though she's still the better character :p, now I think Shaggy is the best because he's moe and as an adult that how I gauge characters not so much as to how similar theyvare to me.

I don't outright hate ABO but I think fanfics would be hotter without the pre-established dynamics and ABO society and whatnot. What's the in-universe justification for women existing in ABO if omega men can get pregnant?

>>9192
I mean women in ABO can also be futas if they're alphas, so you could argue the same about men kek.
My main question about omegaverse still is if beta (and by extension alpha) women get periods or not.

>>9192
Honestly my main problem with ABO is the unnecessary amount of mechanics people add to it. I would understand a breeding kink fine, but when you have to stop the narrative to explain the biological ins and outs of being an omega, beta or alpha and how you start doing outright goofy shit like building nests or explaining how the birthing itself happens it just turns weird and unsettling.

>>9196
You probably wouldn't like omega vampire where they add in guys being able to change dynamics through medical bullshit kek (though I guess a lot of fics also having "bitching" where an alpha gets turned into an omega)

>>9192
>What's the in-universe justification for women existing in ABO if omega men can get pregnant?
A fic I read actually tried to rectified this by establishing that omega males came to be through evolutionary means because women were (somehow) a dying breed.

>>9192
i’ve never seen the clownfish logic “there aren’t enough women” thing the other nonna has, but i have read fics where omega men are basically just kind of a genetic aberration and pregnancy is either extremely dangerous or near-impossible (or at the very least requiring a c-section) for them.

Tbh what I don't like about ABO is how it's basically just straight sex with extra steps, with the whole risk of pregnancy thing. No hate towards anons who like it but it freaks me the fuck out. I do like alpha x alpha though because then it's like double gay kek.

>>9200
I totally agree. Part of the reason I'm drawn to BL is because it's supposed to not have those elements that are involved in straight sex. The only part I find appealing is the heat stuff and that's something you could already accomplish with beastman characters or potions/flower pollen/weird monster juice.

>>9200
>I do like alpha x alpha though because then it's like double gay
Same. It's rare to see it but when I do, I always click. Unless it's bitching, I get the appeal for people but I'm not here for that.
>>9192
>What's the in-universe justification for women existing in ABO if omega men can get pregnant
Don't they usually make omega men suuuuuper rare and special? I don't think alpha women are ever the same level of rarity though kek

>>9135
It reminds me of some of the horrible shit I encountered, like the doujin you describe and picrel are clearly made by men and I just don't get why they want to watch a series meant for women and then incorporate their own fetishism and feminization into it.

>>9191
I used to have a bff where we used to self-insert a lot for no fucking reason because we barely play pretend much anyway. But she chose Daphne, and I remember hating Velma so much I would have rather been Scooby instead.
I'm in a juxtaposition of liking being pretty and handsome, but I'm not even feminine or girly so Daphne was a terrible match anyway.

>>9200
Exactly, it's hotter to have a man raped/fucked by another man and deal with that vs le weak omega in ABO world taking his birth control pills. Internalized homophobia is hot. I don't like how the Omegaverse has all of the alphas lusting over omegas as an established norm. All of the good aspects can be accomplished with sex pollen stuff like >>9204 said.

>>9207
I bust out laughing seeing this on the homepage, it's so difficult to wrap my head around how men can find this attractive when it's so goofy
I'm assuming it's just anime's ability to draw in autistic moids

>>9199
>pregnancy is either extremely dangerous or near-impossible (or at the very least requiring a c-section) for them
This is the type of world building that I like for omegaverse, male omegas being treated like a weird genetic defect that regular male alphas aren't usually attracted to adds a fetish aspect to them that I like.
>>9207
Damn Jinshi got cake.

>>9211
It's the type of moid porn I will never understand, they draw both men and women with comedically huge asses and thighs and a tiny ass waist.

>>9217
My boyfriend once tried to example it as being something to "grab," but imo that's what tits are in art.
Maybe it's desensitization but I definitely find it more offputting on male characters than female ones, but I hate ass art in general it's just kinda gross to me.

>>9211
>>9217
I like cute soft twinky guys so while looking around for artists it's the type of thing I'll see certain bi male artists do as well. I'll see art of Kris from deltarune and 9S from nier automata with a huge ass and thighs three times as wide as his head and I just don't understand how you can coom to something so cartoonish.

I suppose now would be as good a time as any to sperg about my own weird beef with ABO;
I'm pretty into Mpreg and I legit think it sucks how ABO has kinda… standardized it? Like, for me it's the most fun when it IS an alien, unnatural thing. It serves for a lotta drama/angst to have that "wtf is going on' angle alongside whatever else is happening in the story, but stuff/stories like that feel super rare nowadays (even considering its nicheness as is), I think. There aren't anymore stories where the focus is on learning about the 'how', the weirdness of it, and the guy having to adapt to his life being totally shifted because of the sheer scale of how totally unthinkable it is. Instead you just get him being an omega and most of the drama stemming from him being one and already knowing all the ins-and-outs of his insides and what that means in society or whatever. Pregnancy is just a thing that can happen and sure ofc there's drama to be mined from that but I've never really grown to care for that direction too much. To say nothing of how much more common it is to outright make omegas have vags/make them male herms lately, too.
>>9207
Fuck, this reminds me of a ridiculous Sasuke/Orochimaru pic that got posted here a while back, kek.

>>9216
>Damn Jinshi got cake.
more like a tumour

>>9223
>I'm pretty into Mpreg and I legit think it sucks how ABO has kinda… standardized it?
I personally really hate mpreg, but I agree with your post, and I found it interesting to read. I've always thought mpreg would be better used as a horror trope, and ABO's appeal has always eluded me for the exact reason >>9200 said, and it takes out many of the elements of BL that I like. I've even seen stories where the alpha's parents are pressuring him into finding a mate or having kids. It's just their own regular form of reproduction, which could be interesting from a societal perspective, I guess, but nothing's ever done with it. Not to mention how character interactions are often colored by their "alpha" and "omega" statuses, which seem to supersede other elements of their relationship. It kind of ends up overshadowing everything else, and much of the drama ends up being derived from their statuses. This might not be the case for all ABO, but it was for the ones I tried to read. The only mpreg-adjacent story I've enjoyed was sweet pool, and that came from the fact that it was so foreign and weird to the character experiencing it. I know sweet pool is not exactly mpreg, but I have such an aversion to the trope that it's the best example I could name.

>>9196
I love nesting shit, it does something for my lizard brain and actively facilitates fluff scenarios. It's also great for romcom fics where a character doesn't realize they're doing it and then someone goes "so what's my shirt doing there." If you make a stoic character the one building a nest it's an excuse to make them behave cutely and express their affection in a visible way, even if they continue to act nonchalant about it.

Birthing is weird though, I think I've only read a couple things where they bothered discussing that and they predated ABO.

My problem with ABO is that there's a billion short manga in the genre that do the most predictable boring shit and the sex scenes do absolutely nothing to take advantage of the tropes involved, but you don't know for sure unless you try reading a chapter or two and waste your time. Fics are always a gamble, some fandoms there's no decent fics of any kind, but at least for fandoms with a bunch of ABO you'll find fluff and unusual matchups/twists compared to published manga. It's as simple as:
>published manga
>the omega goes into heat from being next to an alpha
>alpha can't keep dick in pants and starts biting his neck so it bleeds
>remove the bleeding neck and it's the most generic sex scene you've ever seen
>omega turns into a soft housewife who faints around the house and cries a lot
>a free fucking fanfic
>the guy who could canonically punch a hole through concrete starts borrowing worn shirts and retreating to his room without saying anything, after an intervention he accepts a an ice pack and a very tender handjob
Or the real gold,
>local alpha not so tough after manipulative slut plays his dick like a fiddle (now includes physical restraints and a muzzle)
If someone tells you beta can strategically milk their alpha boyfriend then they've got so much over what editors think people want.

>>9207
Oh lord, some people should not have access to circle tools.

>>9223
I feel like you'd have better luck with monserboy stuff, but then that just doesn't fucking exist for the most part. I once read a short story about a guy getting pregnant from a ghost that was haunting him, and I think that supernatural angle works for me way more than strictly biological mystery.

>>9229
Seriously if I see another "family is judgemental and won't approve the couple because he's the wrong type #AlphasRuleSociety #RichMarryRich" or "being omega in this world is a cursed existence woe is me, everyone just sees me as meat" I will throw a table in the general direction of Asia. The longest ABO webtoons are just typical soap operas with screaming mother characters and fifty kidnapping plots followed by ugly baby you're supposed to enjoy the existence of or something. It just neuters any personality the character has and reduces them to one thing you can see anywhere, even though ABO doesn't have to be that.

I can't get into ABO without world building, I can't get into ABO that is just there for the sake of being there and most of the times it's only a gateway for either knotted dicks or pussies (whatever happened to self-lubricating assholes, everyone?).
I hate finding shit like
>how dare you tempt me, an alpha, without your blockers!
Like am I supposed to know by default omegas have to use scent blockers? what are the blockers in this type of setting? if you're using the (work)'s original canon as your base and that canon doesn't have modern elements like pills or the like (like a medieval setting) how are you going to explain this? and so on.
It just feels like an excuse for easy simple to write porn with some 'hot' shit in it like knotting and scenting to emphasize how horny both are for each other barring rationality but I'm too autistic for this shit, I need to know the why

>>9177
That explains the men, but why do certain bl artists participate? why do they want to see fat ugly men (or monsters who represent fat ugly men) rape attractive men?

>>9238
It's been brought up before but some people are into humiliation. Same idea behind piss fetish.

>>9238
It's a humiliation fetish and it's about an attractive character enjoying sex as degrading and dehumanizing and shameful as possible. I'm not into ugly bastards but I like humiliation, so I understand why people like it.

>>9240
why can't they just have them get raped by an actual canonical character? isn't that already humiliating, having an ugly guy is torture on yourself mostly

>>9241
It's peak humiliation, i like pretty semes aswell but sometimes an ugly bastard is perfect, especially for innocent ukes. The fact that it's some ugly bastard makes it so the victim can't even cope with the abuse, and if he does it's extremely humiliating. There's a mindbreak element too, like developing abnormal taste in men after the assault. The ugliness/creepiness of the seme enhances the uke's features in my mind. A creepy-looking yet weirdly cute seme serves a similar function, but i can revel in his looks while the uke is disgusted by his appearance. I don't remember coming across ugly bastard content before developing this taste but it might be subtly influenced by media

>>9243
>but sometimes an ugly bastard is perfect
That's a sentence that should never be said, I'm sorry, but this real moid tier degeneracy

>>9241
>isn't that already humiliating, having an ugly guy is torture on yourself mostly
AYRT Because most canonical characters aren't hideous and people with an ugly bastard fetish want to focus on a pretty character getting mobbed and absolutely degraded. An ugly bastard means the sex is absolutely disgusting and undesirable. So you can have rape where the sex is absolutely repulsive for the victim or mind-break / hypnosis where the victim is so "degraded" / "broken" that they like sex with a disgusting person. Essentially they become a sex object. I've read dj where a princely character will get raped by uggos and will say lines like "my dignity is gone and I can never go back from this blahblahblah". Ugly bastard degenerates will keep going with the fetish and make the ugly bastards old and fat with smegma or have the rape broadcast and recorded with intention humiliation. Like the uke can never forget or live down the disgust.

Ugly bastard stuff is too gross and mean-spirited and reminds me too much of violence against women irl for me even as a noncon and dubcon enjoyer. I also hate NTR for similar reasons. Yaoi shouldn't make me feel disgusted and ukes should be appreciated and loved.

>>9245
I think the sweet spot for noncon humiliation is canon villain character putting the uke through the mob rape. I'm never going to be interested in a mob OC as an actual character or their thoughts like >>9238 let alone a fugly bastard.

>>9244
>>9245
I see, i get why it may be too gross and realistic in an unpleasant way.
>and reminds me too much of violence against women irl
Interesting, I completely understand this when it comes to female characters. I just don't have that barrier for male characters, i can view ukes as pure fodder for enjoyment so it's not really about attachment or anything in those scenarios.

>>9255
I can mostly view ukes as my dolls but my line drawn is just not getting disgusted irl by fictional depictions. Fiction is fiction and everyone has their limits. It's all subjective anyways since I normally enjoy noncon and dubcon and other darkfic tropes. I agree with >>9249

>>9255
the only males allowed to fuck, humiliate and mind-break an uke should look like this. an ugly fat man being included should be considered self-harm

>>9265
off-topic but I love Shinso brainwashing My Hero yaoi lmao

today I got reminded that Slow Damage has a garbage localization, and the localizers possibly influenced the original JP version as well. ughhghghghhghhgh

>>9274
There are so many bizarre decisions that were made regarding the localization. I don't understand the motivation behind switching from 3rd to 1st person. It just leads to Towa sounding disconnected and impersonal as a narrator, which negatively influences your perception of the character. Changing from 3rd to 1st person changes everything about your understanding of a story, and it's so surprising nobody who worked on the translation realized that. I personally didn't enjoy Slow Damage very much, but everyone who loves it and was royally screwed over by the localization has my deepest sympathy.

>>9274
>>9275
didn't they add some troon shit as well?

>>9265
you would have liked chinese stuff, with rare exceptions. chinese fujos are obsessed with depicting every historical or mythological figure looking like modern kdrama actors, from ceo's to real-life fucking chinese warlords. there's a semi-popular niche setting for both straight and bl works based on the chinese warlord era called 民国军阀美学 and it always does this

>>9284
Hasn't Japan been doing that for even longer with Sengoku warriors?

when the fandom collectively decides a character is a tranny. all rule34 of guys like the trigun stampede guy, arcane viktor and boothill from honkai star rail are tranny/cuntboy unless they are the ones topping. in boothills case they say its because he has a robot body so he cant have a dick??? only a vagina apparently lets ignore hes part of a sci-fi universe where a robot dick is the least impressive thing it can have

im the ONLY person in the fandom who draws him bottoming but still having a dick and my arts die at 10 likes while someone can not even try make a decent drawing just slap a pussy in him and then boom 3k likes

>>9284
You're wrong, no one is hc irl historical warlord figures as handsome bishe's, but they do make their own OCs that have a role as a regional commander or young officer working for the warlord, sometimes a family member and because this period affected all of China and so much happened, you can really do anything with it.

condoms! stds and shit does not exist in the yaoi world. all boys must cum inside

>>9287
>boothill from honkai star rail
This guy almost got me to install that game but I thought the guy he was shipped with was ugly so I didn't. Learning that it's mostly modular robot pussy in the porn has killed what little FOMO I had left about it, thanks anon.

>>9297
Soo trueeee. It puts me off. Sure its a healthy practice but I don't want to see it. I want to see that raw dick go in!

>>9297
I find it a lot less hot now after learning that that shit dries out quickly and gets gross. I like condoms for spontaneous sex, I'd rather not imagine my fave having to awkwardly clean his ass after or before.