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>>2 No.7374
>>7372>"insides" that "become more female"Yeah, I constantly see this. Usually in conjunction with anal orgasm being compared to female orgasm, and I don't know if this is a translator quirk, but the guy will be described as squirting. It's usually portrayed as some kind of extra-intense orgasm that he can do multiple of? I still haven't wrapped my head around this one, whether it means he's supposed to be ejaculating the same fluid that women 'squirt' (i.e pee?)
No.7375
>>7349Literally the last big fujobait anime that got decently big in the West was Sk8. We don't get any others, people won't watch if the budget is shit and if it doesn't trend, which means slice of life like most BL that gets animated is out. Idolshit isn't as big. There's a joseimuke adaptation airing this season, Mahoyaku, and no one gives a shit or talks about it, apparently it's bad and it used the female MC.
>>7365The only current big fujos fandoms now I can think are JJK, Bnha, Blue Lock and then gacha like Genshin. Two of those manga ended and left people unsatisfied. Genshin is catering more to incels and refusing to release relevant male characters. Blue Lock is still pretty big despite the anime not being very good, but the fanbase in the West is full of a lot of annoying zoomers. What's rare for me to see is when an fujobait anime gets big enough to get adult fans. Let's face it, adults will tend to be better at writing fanfics. The last thing that was big enough to get that type of appeal was YOI and MDZS. Meanwhile some of these joseimuke properties like Hynosis Mic might be big in Japan, they don't have much of the same crossover appeal in the West at all. The type of anime to be mainstream enough to attract more people and therefore increasing your chances of finding higher quality Western fan content just isn't there. There's just nothing really new to hook this mass amount of fujos, which is why I guess a lot of them have been latching onto Jayvik from Arcane.
No.7376
>>7374No the TLs are usually correct. I use Rikaichamp which translates kanji and shows you the hiragana version of them if you hover over them, they actually use the female terms. I often also see the asshole being described as vagina-like (like "it looks almost feminine and lubricated") or the bottoming guy being called a woman or womanlike in a certain scenes, or he's having sex "like a woman".
They never actually make them cuntboys or trans or anything like that, the dudes actually stay dudes. It's limited on the language and therefore more tolerable than the western shit, but still strange and I swear I see it everywhere these days even though the men I read about aren't uke-like at all.
No.7377
No hate involved, but not sure where else to post it: I always find it sad how the love for many shippings is more about one of the characters than the ship itself.
When I love a ship I always love both characters. Usually even equally. But usually the fandom is so obsessed with one of them that I feel like they don't even give a shit about the other and only care because he happens to be the character their fav is shippable with. If it wasn't him they would draw and include a different dude.
It's especially prevalent for the two ships and fandoms I am into right now. Everybody always only talks about ONE of the dudes and a lot of the fanart is so centered around that guy that in both cases the other one is reduced to the role of a commentator or background character. Some fans even say they stick to the fandom because of [character] and don't even mention the other.
I never shipped like this so I cannot relate and it always makes me focus my art more on the ignored dude to give him more spotlight.
No.7378
>>7352If you don't like lolis and schoolgirls you basically have nothing to watch for anime. Then people will say you're a misogynist if you get tired of the teen girls and all the moe content and want to watch stuff about adults. Most popular yuri involves girls with these art styles and adult women are non-existent, or if they exist they're drawn like kids, like the ugly characters in that dragon maid show.
No.7380
>>7377What ship/fandom? Admittedly there are cases where it makes perfect sense to wind up massively caring about one party in a ship more than others. Sometimes a character is only interesting in regards to their relationship with yhe characteryou are interested in. Master/slave, teacher/student, brothers, ect a dynamic you like exists but only on end of the party initially calls out to you. Though from experience usually in the process of ruminating on their relations or in the process of writing you learn to appreciate the other more.
No.7384
>fic is written beautifully
>good tension, good characterization, good everything
>get to the smut
>vagina and trans jumpscare
I would say "every time" but although it's not every time, it is rather common
No.7386
>>7384wish they would tag that shit
No.7387
>>7384It's worse when you double check and nope, it's definetly M/M. Not a single tag to indicate it would happen.
I have a tag filter plugin that I cannot use AO3 without and people who withhold tags are the worst.
No.7423
It surprises me everytime I casually happen to see shit outside of my fujo- and talented artist bubbles and realise how many likes generic coomer art with lolis and traps is getting compared to top tier artworks, be they fujo or neutral.
I shouldn't be surprised that loli/trap porn is getting 2 mio. views and like 50k retweets but I still don't get it, especially because most of it is fucking generic. The artists aren't particularly good and the fanart is always blatantly ooc and usually off-model too and it's always the same poses. Usually just one 6-8 year old anime kid with ahegao.
It always makes me realise how niche everything is I like and make me fear that fictional media is doomed since these people are so many more and so much easier to pander to. There are basically no standards at all and they don't care about writing, dynamics or personalities either.
No.7504
>>7363Somewhat related, I feel like the lack of sexual experience really shows up in both the BL and twt fujo communities because since these people have never had sex with men or women and they really don't understand how the human body functions, for example, straight women will talk about how they like men with firm butts. This isn't because we want to peg them down or anything, but because in many sexual positions you can hold a man's ass and basically control him and his pace, you'd understand if you've had sexual experience but they haven't, personally after having sexual experiences you kind of lose interest in unrealistic sex because it just becomes silly
No.7509
>>7504Can’t deny this because I’ve never had sex kek
No.7512
>>7511Anon I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding something but what do you mean exactly? I find it hard to think someone wanting the sex scenes in yaoi to be realistic, do you want them to put an enemas up their ass or…? How do you want the two yaoi dudes to have realistic sex.. please explain, I am lost anon.
No.7513
>>7511I get the relationships changing your interesting in porn BL.
When I was in a relationship, a I could only get off to irl hetero porn. Now that we've broken up, I find BL erotic again however.
For me, I guess it's like, without sex, I get pent up and thus yaoi has an easier effect on me lol.
I guess yaoi also tends to have context, and thus, without a relationship, I want my porn to also give me that emotional part
No.7515
>>7512I mean more that in the realm of fanfiction people don't talk or act human when it comes to sex and when you've already had the real thing a facsimile of the act isn't as erotic. I'm not a gay man, I'm not policing the anatomy persay or logistics of the act, but most authors kind of fail in the emotional department, stuff like cheesey porn phrases or just being a scene detached from the characters acting more sun/dom in non-bdsm works.
Again I had always attributed it to getting older and less interest in porn for the sake of porn, but those subtle things just don't line up with my perception of sex. For the record though I do think great in-character porn is out there. Just not something I'm actively seeking out.
No.7516
>>7504I am a wizard (female) so I wouldn't know but it sounds normal. Even I cannot get off to coomer doujinshi for example because they're too fucking exaggerated and even I find them too unrealistic to be erotic. I can see why it would happen with fics as well if someone had sex.
This is why I afraid of writing sex scenes so far. I am more of an artist than fic writer but casually write. Never sex scenes though or at least not so far, I fear it would sound fake.
That said a lot of recent fics were so badly written even I noticed it. Particularly "meme" sex. Not sure how else to call it it but feels like someone had all of their knowledge about sex from funny porn memes.
>>7515God I love BDSM and I wish someone would actually write proper one. But it's as you say, you mostly get the bdsm-like acting with stupid phrases in non-bdsm scenes and the very few that tag a fic as BDSM get it all wrong.
No.7522
>>7512NTA but I would definitely be cool with more spur of the moment frotting, blowjobs, docking, intercrural etc than anal. Spontaneous anal is much more believable for feral-type monsterboys or tentacles. But I don't mind if characters in an established relationship use condoms or something.
No.7528
>>7516I can relate. I've once written a oneshot fic with a sex scene just cause the entire setup and scenario was buzzing around in my brain and I had to let it out. However, because I am also eligible to develop wizard mind-reading powers I was basically just copying what I've read in fics before and ACOTAR books and it's not sometimes I see myself doing again cause it's pretty obvious I'm just a faker.
>>7522>Spontaneous anal is much more believable for feral-type monsterboys or tentacles.I know that porn doesn't have to be realistic but if I watch something like the Given Hiiragi movie and I see a guy just initiate anal out of the blue I can't help but think of how it wouldn't be great without lube.
No.7531
I recently finally found a discord about my favorite characters (the only one) and it was fine for the most time. But for some fucking reason the admin invited a fucking 14yo even though we post NSFW. That alone isn't my problem, my problem is that said 14yo is drawing trans shit and cuntboy non-stop and since she keeps posting sketches all the time 50% of the discussions of the channel are now about the genderbent/tranny version of the bottoming guy.
Well I try to be a nice person so I keep my mouth shut.
But now the same admin reveals that she was allegedly depressed because of ME because I casually ship one half of the main pairing with a dude he is canonically gay with. It's a character-discord, not a pairing discord, so I refuse to abide to that rule. She just wants it because she personally "doesn't like it". Well I don't like troonwashing and het and I just told all of them.
They either accept it or kick me. Both is fine, but I hate that I am always forced to be the evil one for wanting fujo stuff in a fujo space. I hate that I most likely made a kid feel bad and that I always have to feel guilty after such discussions and I hate being the party pooper because apparently everybody else is fine with trans stuff.
It makes me feel like a pissed off rightwing boomer even though I am a left fag that hates rightwingers. Why can't we just go back in time when yaoi spaces were about yaoi and genderbending was limited to some rare, well-drawn joke pics made for fun?
No.7534
>>7531I just say PIV makes me uncomfortable and that I'd prefer spoiler tags and a content warning. If they demand a "why" they are automatically the bad guy. Honestly before any of that you should simply campaign on getting a minor out of an adult space.
No.7538
>>7534>I just say PIV makes me uncomfortable and that I'd prefer spoiler tags and a content warningOh yeah I should have thought of this. Defeat them with their weapons. I wouldn't have brought it up if I wasn't branded as the bad guy before, I am allergic against biases. It's obvious that not everybody will like everything that gets posted, but normal people that aren't terminally online know that and tolerate things they don't like and expect others to do the same. I don't like it when I am told what I am allowed to talk about and what now while I have to look at things I hate and tolerate because I am normal.
And yeah, no idea why she even allowed a damn kid in. Maybe she didn't know before since the 14yo has a "18+" in her bio. But the moment she revealed it I would block her ass. I don't even feel comfortable talking to underaged. Maybe when I was 19, certainly not after my mid 20s.
No.7546
>>7512>I find it hard to think someone wanting the sex scenes in yaoi to be realistic, do you want them to put an enemas up their ass or…?I think I'm in the minority, but I've liked that more works have included characters having to "prepare" themselves for anal; the idea that their sex is inconvenient, but they want it enough that they take multiple steps to get ready for it beforehand gives me the same vibe that foreplay scenes do
Not that I need to see an uke sitting on the toilet after douching or anything lol, but casual details that make yaoi seem more "realistic" makes the two characters feel more tangible to me even though it's ultimately still escapist 2D romance/smut
I understand why other fujos might hate it though
No.7550
>>7531No offense nonna but you really should just leave if they're all comfortable sharing an NSFW space with someone that young, really giving groomer vibes.
No.7554
>>7546I feel like some authors take advantage of it to show how secretly eager the tsundere uke is to have sex, it does work as a nice opportunity.
No.7558
I know it's stupid but if a character is transwashed/cuntboyed/feminized too often I might start disliking him I am sorry.
It's probably not a genuine dislike and I can get into him again when these types of fans are gone but as long as it lasts I simply associate him too much with that shit and I know that drawing him will most likely just headcanon my version as the same shit unless I am explicitly drawing him dicking another character.
As cringe as those fans are that have shitty orders in their bio like "my X is NOT a bottom DNI if you headcanon him as such" I am sometimes tempted to do the same for that other shit but it sounds too petty and I always looked down on people who take shit so seriously so I won't, but it's still annoying.
No.7559
>>7558It's stupid… but I've done it too
I saw one too many Zagreus cuntboy artworks, and with the overall Tumblr-esque aesthetic of the game I just can't unthink it when I see him
At the same time I didn't think he's that interesting and only cared for him in the context of Thanatos shipping, so maybe it only applies to characters that I don't feel strongly about
No.7560
>>7558If it starts getting to that point I go on a mass blocking/muting spree until it's completely out of my radar.
No.7567
>>7512NTA, I'm not asking for completely realistic sex, but sex feels "weightless" in the majority of yaoi, as if it happens between a sentient dildo and a fleshlight, but neither are attached to real human bodies. I feel like if someone has a sexual history with men or women, they would know what a body is like in bed, and I just want to read sex that feels like that, instead of just the same lines from bad porn
No.7568
>>7551very based
fiction makes it possible to remove annoying stuff and add new cool stuff, also another argument against those braindead aidens who claim that yaoi needs to be realistic for the sake of "representation"
let porn be porn
that said i do understand the appeal of sex being portrayed in a more realistic way however it shouldnt be expected
No.7571
I honestly don't know how much cleansing is needed for anal, some say enema is required and others that there isn't really any poop in the rectum normally until it's there ready to be shat out, I just ignore it in porn though.
No.7572
>>7568Completely agree. There can and should be a middle ground between decepting sex more realistic than a dildo and fleshlight VS. writing about very realistic gay sex with STDs, shit, farting, prep, etc. If I wanted very realistic sex, I would watch or read an LGBT drama instead of yaoi. But I'm also not a virgin and understand how a bit of realism can make sex scenes better.
No.7573
>>7571This is why I just make my guys use a condom if they want to fuck on the spot but it only works for established relationship.
The fic phenomenon of everybody improbably having lube on them is weirdly between the realistic and unrealistic scale because it shows that the author wants to acknowledge the realistic need for prep (depending on the person) but is unrealistically having people in x historical setting all conveniently carrying the mythical bottle of oil in their pocket kek.
No.7574
>>7573My favorite historical man has his ass always pre-lubed when he visits his love interest(s) in fics because he's a slut.
No.7600
Technically not just a bl thing but I see it enough in my fandom. It annoys me to no end when I’m reading a fanfic and the author has either a very basic understanding of economics and finance or pretty much no understanding at all but still decides to put their two cents into how to run a successful corporation (in the fanfic). Like no, you can’t just fire people willy-nilly even if you are the CEO. And it’s not even in the company’s best interest to fire any employee because it opens the company up to tons of issues.
No.7602
>>7600I just hate CEO AU's in general, it's such a fucking retarded trope
No.7605
>>7602I hate CEO AU’s too, but this particular fandom has a few characters that own businesses.
No.7607
>>7602I have legit never seen a CEO AU so far. Sounds better than mermaid, genderbend or coffee shop AUs but that might be because I think of Fukumoto series when I think of CEOs.
No.7613
>>7607I only ever see it when one character is already designated as the school "rich kid" it's basically just an aged up AU from my experiences, though like the other nonnas said it's usually written by people with no life experience and comically unrealistic.
No.7641
>>7270It can be annoying and just plain confusing, like in the Vivzieverse, Angel Dust and Stolas are constantly labeled as twinks and skinny but they have the exact same body type as every other character, it's fucking weird and that's why I can't enjoy old school fujo works either because the supposedly beautiful characters will literally just be recolors of the ugly old characters, it's just tiring
No.7645
>>7641I really dislike the fear of making a character not-generic-pretty like when they label someone ugly or fat but make them look exactly like every other 14 year old super model of the series and the only difference is that they have glasses or some shit and the fat is usually invisible to begin with. I hate the obsession with pretty doll designs and they bore me to death due to over-usage. So-called flawed characters are usually hotter.
No.7646
>>7645>hate the obsession with pretty doll designs tbf, that's the standard in East Asian countries and it was even more extreme back then
No.7652
>>7648I actually picked the series up for him. Though it was mostly for the face. Never read an Asada manga before.