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Post shit in BL that you hate.
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>>2 No.8753
>>8752>The way fandom has become is also killing fanfiction. People don't just write into the void.Would you mind elaborating?
No.8754
>>8753Not them, but I'm guessing they're referring to the reliance on canon, canon validation and how everything has to be made for influencer points.
I remember the most nonsense cringe kino from 2006 era that wouldn't get a single view if posted after 2018.
No one wants to write problematic work. No one wants to write things that by default, don't work.
No.8755
>>8744>No one will be in fandoms for completed oneshots and drama fandoms turn into fandoms about the actors and 3D shitSo true. I hate 3D BL! I think BL's weakness has always been its inability to be longform unless it's a novel series
shout out to Finder no Hyouteki, the One Piece of yaoi, for being over 20 years old and 14 volumes at the time of this post. A BL work is always an afternoon dalliance or three. It's never a 30+ volume manga or a 100+ hour JRPG series that just happens to have a canon m/m pairing as the main/only romance. We get kind of close with optional PC romances, but they don't count because they are essentially OC/canon pairings.
No.8756
>>8753>>8754I hate how people turn fanfiction into a numbers game, it's nothing new people have been sustained by comments for years and it's natural to want feedback for stories, but I can't stand when the author baits engagement. The worst I saw was a "If I get x number of kudos I'll continue" on a short unfinished drabble.
No.8757
>>8756I personally care much more about comments than I do Kudos, but it is very discouraging seeing some asinine OOC hetslop hentai porn with 3k+ kudos and my painfully researched work not break past 48.
If FFN didn't suck so bad, I would still post there. Kudos and fandom famousness actively make writing anything for people more of a chore, and something that 'has' to hit 1k kudos or else they delete it.
I know this depends on the fandom, but the ones I'm heavily involved in are broken by fandom capitalist mentality. Broken by anonymity and not wanting to be stalked for kudos on the problematic/weird fic.
I actually saw someone on tumblr say "you have disgusting kinks you have no right to give an opinion." While one of the animators of the series has openly had the exact fetishes as them (growth/weight gain/hyper). Felt bad for them.
No.8758
>>8754>>8756>>8757I'm victim of falling for this, and it's seriously diminished my motivation for writing. I know that what I write is shit but sometimes I wish someone would even tell me that it's shit. It sucks to have put a lot of effort into something and get little to no comments over it, or barely any kudos or views. If a fic makes it past 100 views but only like 3-5 kudos, it's over for me.
I don't write for popularity but it does feel worthless to write for people that may not really care, if nobody's going to see it then I'd rather keep it in my docs
No.8760
>>8758If it makes you feel better of the 50 stories I have up right now on AO3 only one has above 100 Kudos and most struggle to reach 20. My longest work and the one I'm most proud of is nowhere near as popular as a hour long writing practice I did at 3AM. Kudos are more an indicator of the popularity of the ship and fandom than your actual writing talents.
Don't really have a suggestion for the motivation. I also write for fun and because I want to express my feelings on a show or ship, Getting comments actually stresses me out for no rational reason, but when I get kudos it's more of a "Oh nice someone actually likes this ship as well" as opposed to "What's even the point in writing?" If it's stressing you out then you should them on a document even if it would deprive those 100 readers. Fanfiction should be first and foremost fun.
No.8768
>>8753People don't want to write if they get no feedback, which is why some writers will only go to the most popular canons. There's also a new trend on people only being allowed to support "canon" ships which also affects how younger fans view shipping. Nobody wants to be called misogynist for ignoring some heterosexual ship like what's going on in Arcane fandom.
Many people here are oldfags and can't admit that fandom will change. The internet won't be sustained fully by older fans forever, especially not something like anime that always gets a higher percentage of teenage fans more than it retains adults. It is a problem that people focus too much on numbers now but that fault lies also with Ao3 and the stats functions that are built into the site causing authors to have neuroses.
Writers don't want to deal with harassment or put effort into a story for little reward. With the rise of antis and the people who insist only on canon shipping, it's affecting the type and amount of good fics that will get written. We're not on old internet anymore where people can sustain themselves on smaller communities. The majority of people are affected by what they see around them in fandom, and what they see is this type of stuff on twitter. It absolutely affects the output.
No.8769
>>8758most of the works I read are at least half a decade old so I don’t feel the need to comment because I feel like the author doesn’t care anymore. is this true or nah? I’m an avid bookmarker though
No.8772
>>8769I still get hits on my ff.net fics which are over 20 years old and I'm dying to know who is reading them and why. Honestly I would be more interested in comments on them than I would be for my more recent works.
No.8773
>>8769Half a decade is only five years, nonna… that is really nothing in fandom years. I'm still active in fandoms I was writing for five years ago, lol. A decade is nothing, either! No author is going to say no to comments. If they didn't want them, they'd have various forms of comment moderation turned on.
>>8758Maybe this is cheesy, but I write fanfiction when I have something to say. When a particular scenario can't leave my brain. I NEED to see it out in the world. I'm sure you're the same. Please continue writing–3-5 kudos means that three to five people enjoyed your work, and that isn't nothing.
I've been writing for a smaller fandom lately and have been receiving single digit kudos for the first time in my life (previous fandoms were always in the hundreds). It was EXTREMELY humbling at first. But then I became friends with these same readers. They've DMed me, have chatted with me about what I write, and have even drawn (?!) fanart based on what I've written literally out of nowhere. The atmosphere is totally different.
It was definitely worth it to know my stuff resonated with even a few likeminded people. I actually completely disagree with >>8768's point of
> We're not on old internet anymore where people can sustain themselves on smaller communities.because I think this is fandom-dependent. Some fandoms are not tainted by whatever they're talking about.
Please don't give up.
No.8776
I just got jumpscared by literal shit on the front page of mrm and hated that. I also hate how ikeman and bishounen have disappeared from weeaboo lexicon so now every male character that isn't a roidpig or a generic male self insert is considered a femboy.
No.8779
>>8776You're reminding me that google translate briefly listed "Twunk" as a translation whenever you put in "イケメン"
No.8789
>>8776mrm needs to ban bara and furry shit, that's the main reason why there's disgusting shit on that site, i mean roid obsessed homos already have their own bara site anyway.
No.8790
>>8776I hate the term "femboy". It's never a handsome twinky bishie or ikemen, always just some gross crossdresser trap shit for men
No.8791
>>8790Same, nonna, there's something about the term femboy I find viscerally disgusting.
No.8795
>>8792I like Drarry so I completely ignore this kek. The Draco in my head drinks a magic hair potion.
I actually can't decide if Draco punishing Harry with dick is hotter vs Harry humiliating his bully…
No.8796
>>8794I winced when I saw this picture on the startpage. Art like this lack an sort of eroticism and sensuality. Remove the exaggerated blush, sweat and panting and there is nothing visually interesting or beautiful going on. Idk if this is cropped from a longer comic or if its a stand alone teehee sex joke either way its ugly.
I also hate le quirky dialogue like this.
No.8799
>>8794Holy shit, I forgot how much I despise the retarded "dudebro not gay if" dialogue and characterization
It always reads to me as the most autistically juvenile and literal way to point out that two guys having sex is not the norm
I've seen fratty dude archetypes done fine a few times from people that weren't porn addicts, but it otherwise reeks of fags that binged too many straight to gay stories on Reddit
>>8798MyReadingManga
It's a dark place, you must never go there nona
No.8803
>>8796It's a standalone picture but as a sidenote the dick is cartoonishy big and veiny which also bothers me. I just had this huge realisation that I'm fine with japanese censorship cause I don't like looking at detailed cocks with veins and stuff.
No.8812
>>8803>>8803> I just had this huge realisation that I'm fine with japanese censorship cause I don't like looking at detailed cocks with veins and stuff.Honestly same. My controversial opinion is that I was never bothered by lightsaber dicks
>>8799>It always reads to me as the most autistically juvenile and literal way to point out that two guys having sex is not the normThis is a good way to put it
No.8817
>>8799>It always reads to me as the most autistically juvenile and literal way to point out that two guys having sex is not the normSame, it seems very irony-poisoned and memey like from some sort of Reddit meme
>Yo bro we're so gay! xD No.8818
I've been getting real sick of ahegao lately. Like I get the appeal, but it's really annoying when I see an artist that has such great expressions in their SFW works but in the NSFW it's all the same tongue out tearing up face. Sometimes it even looks really ugly. I think it's better when artists try to make the characters expressions different and based on their personality, like the cocky slutty guy smiling or have a smug expression while getting dicked down or a monotone expressionless dude having more subtle expression of pleasure etc. Also why is every bottom character drawn crying during sex like I understand some tears of pleasure but the full on crying some artists do is really unappealing to me.
Another thing I don't like is unexpected dubcon, like two characters consensually getting ready to have sex, doing foreplay enthusiastically etc then suddenly the bottom is like 'No don't put it in' even though he wanted it up till this point and then the top ignores him and sticks it in anyways even though he was being gentle before and it randomly turns into force fucking like damn where did that come from? I don't mind dub/non con but when it comes out of left field like that it's annoying.
No.8820
>>8818I hate ahegao faces too. They're so exaggerated I find it almost comical, it takes me out of the smut completely. Keep that shit out of yaoi, only men like it.
No.8821
>>8818Ahegao face has always been disgusting to me and I wanted to scream once it started making its way to BL works as well. It looks both gross and goofy, why would anyone want to see that during a sex scene?
No.8825
>>8820well then call me transitioned because no- only men do not like it. See Chinese fujos who overload their art with cuntboy and just draw PIV with an extra step or two.
No.8836
Orgasm faces should at least have closed or half lidded eyes, to emphasize the climax of their straining. Like buttocks clenched, hips thrust, eyes no longer being used for anything sensible, one long exhale as they hold onto the best feeling. Who the hell opens their eyes all wide and starey? Fuck that excess sensory information, it's unnecessary.
No.8837
You know a yaoi is ass when the couple look like this
No.8838
>>8818>>8820my problem with ahegao is that it has been memed to death so it just feels souless to see it in a yaoi manga/dj.I can take cliche plotlines and dialogue but I dislike most "meme" poses, sex positions and facial expressions. You know, the stuff you see over and over again in hentai mangas. Its hypocritical of me, but I prefer it when yaoi mangakas stick to the established conventions from yaoi, rather than draw from whatever porn meme is currently popular among men.
No.8841
>>8836An orgasm inspired this. I agree with you, especially the hip thrusting.
No.8844
>japanese source material
>japanese characters
>characters say "oh god" during sex
every time
No.8845
>>8844I am equally annoyed when historical and fantasy works use modern sounding profanity.
No.8850
When you're reading an ongoing fanfic and there's sudden gendie shit thrown in.
I guess it's something everyone here hates generally, but right now I'm really feeling it because I had talked with the author before about how we shared similar headcanons and how well written her fic was, and now suddenly male characters are nonbinary since it's pride month I guess and she changed up the entire tags. I feel like I just endorsed something I shouldn't.
No.8851
>>8844What about bits of random Japanese. I'm a weeb myself, but even that's a 'no'.
No.8852
>>8850Which fandom/ship is this? I'm seeing a pattern where certain ships/fandoms attract gendie stuff.
No.8853
>>8852NTA but almost everything has inescapable gendie shit, I think what's probably easier to say is what *doesn't* attract gendie shit and that's probably games that are too hard to play/anime that doesn't have a lot of teenage main characters
No.8856
>>8850I don't like any kind of transbending but for whatever reason my fave being made nonbinary ticks me off slightly more than just standard ftmshit. Maybe because it's changing the character's canonical gender and it feels like they're saying 'he can't be a man because X'. (In this case, I'm guessing because people see him as
autism coded and as we all know, autistic people don't have gender. But then when someone acknowledges that autistic people are disproportionately trooning out they'll pretend it's not trender BS)
No.8858
>>8856is this the cyrus fic that suddenly changed the tags with no warning
No.8859
>>8856>It feels like they're saying 'he can't be a man because X'. God yeah I think that's what pisses me off too. At least FtM you can sort of pretend maybe it's a tomboyish genderbent if there's really nothing else to read.
In my case, questioning your homosexual feelings for your brother when you're normally attracted to woman means somehow that you are neither man or woman? Baffling.
The autism coded character being turned into a gendie feels like a racist stereotype almost KEK
No.8860
>>8850This happened to me like 100k into an ongoing fic and while the author said nothing would come of it I'm waiting for the fic to be over and then ctrl+Fing "her cock" lol. Ultimately I "understand" why they did it but also I think it overreaches and feels weird. It's the kind of thing you should be doing with your original fics/characters, not pasting over your blorbo untagged in the longfic.
>>8844Flashbanged by the memory of people using "kami" in their lemons.
>>8859>autism coded character being turned into a gendie feels like a racist stereotype almost KEKIt really is. Like oh do they speedrun as well?
No.8863
>>8858Different pokemon character and it wasn't even tagged just surprise they pronouns kek, but I'm not surprised.