No.9888[View All]
Ah shit, I hate when I reply to a thread that is past bump limit.
Shit you Hate 3.0, post stuff that makes you unreasonable enraged.
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>>4907 No.12624
>>12617>umcomfyUse grown up words.
The problem is people in fandom also exaggerate and think that something is that trope because they're "uncomfortable" with sex, especially gay sex. Some of what they perceive as a fetish is their own homophobia or fear of sex coming through because they don't have any place to explore it irl.
No.12625
>>12622Epic fans are majority white and American. But I'm not East Asian or even Asian so I can't accurately comment on the beastification of brown skin or tanned people from there.
No.12629
>>12625I am of southeast asian descent and it is quite common for boys to be 3-5 shades darker than women. girls and even adult men, because they are the ones who go out. This is virtually universal across all ethnic groups, even for those with lighter skin tones.
No.12630
>>12622There is a kernel of truth in some anti arguments, like the fact that there are genuinely deranged and unwell people in certain fandoms who get off on piss, shit and gore.
No.12631
>>12630What’s funny is there are antis who unironically get off to gore too but they frame it as a purely non sexual fascination. Incomprehensible.
No.12633
>>12592So much this. There's this annoying tendency in western fandom of taking ships who are canonically poor kid/rich kid and changing the skintones so they can call the poor kid PoC. I'm sick of people doing it to Kei and Iori from Charisma because Iori is the one with the most suggestions his family could be foreign, and Kei is the "uncivilized" vandal who smashes things, starts fights, and gets called monkey all of the time. They erase the Chinese stuff from Iori's identity because they consider it orientalism then turn Kei black and continue to call him a violent monkey. He has tanner skin in canon which is typical Japanese stereotyping at work, but between him and Iori it just shows that he was an outdoor kid and Iori has always been confined indoors.
>>12599Yup.
The Tomodachi Life screencaps are flooding socmed and I keep not understanding what fucking fandom they are because people are making half or more of the cast super brown when they're all Japanese people.
No.12634
>>12633Making the Japanese people brown is so hilariously racist. They're minorities in the US, so, obviously they're MORE represented if you just make them black. And fat. And hairy. And strong too!
No.12635
>>12633I’ve seen it happen with characters who have a character trait of being loud and you end up sounding like a moralfag when you point it out, but they are just weirdly racist.
No.12637
>>12636If we're bringing up capeshit, people always draw Tim & Kon with Kon being the ambiguously dark one, when Kon is explicitly stated to be white and it's a pretty big factor for the context of his original run. Tim just has to be the pale pretty boy in comparison, even though Tim is the one who was more often drawn to be tan and arguably Asian for chunks of his solo run. It's to the point where I assume anyone drawing Kon that way genuinely hasn't read anything about him.
Also, I would have never guessed those pics were supposed to be Dick. There is some validity to him being Romani, but it's not an essential part of his character… What's with the elf ears? Pink eyes? Is the other guy supposed to be Roy? I'm so confused
No.12640
>>12617Let me rephrase that: I think tan guy x pale guy looks aesthetically pleasing and I just don't care on a personal level if the author decides to make the tan guy act like a stereotype. I'll read it anyway.
No.12641
>>12639But he’s literal the gay baby of Lex and Supes. How can be be blac/latino?
No.12644
>>12640nta but you are being very bit obtuse here if you think that is the issue. It is the bizarre beastification of people with dark skin that people kind racist.
No.12652
>>12584What does it say about me when I like the reverse as in: darker, muscular uke (but not necessarily "savage") x paler, prettier top? I like the subversive aspect of it and I don't really mind whose the rich one in the dynamic as long as their personalities are to my taste. Though, when the pretty top is the one with privilege, I do like if the authors play into the power dynamic and/or manipulativeness of the top.
>>12644The stereotypes have always existed, unfortunately, but I do think the intensification of this in fandom, particularly, is because of irl porn tropes.
No.12653
i like pil/slash and parade ^__^
No.12656
>>12639And they don't see how stereotypical that is? That's just too funny.
His whole thing is being an ignorant, gentrifying 90s-pop-star-type-wigger that the locals can't stand. Refers to himself as white multiple times. Even in recent Action Comics, he's shown to be pretty ignorant regarding racism and has it called out by Kenan.
So yeah, it always mystified me that he, in particular, gets the racebending treatment. It actively erases what makes his character meaningfully offensive. Maybe that's actually why they do it? Because they can't accept this negative part of his character? (Not the whiteness, but how it's utilized) People also like to ignore the fact that he's, like, a rape gijinka
(Also: Obligatory *Conner)
No.12670
>>12652I understand it involves an east asian context, but if someone has a darker skin tone and notice that people associate your skin color with "savagery and animal lust," then they have the right to call that racist. like why do you associate a pale skin color with attractiveness without sounding racist?
No.12676
>>12670Oh, I know that, but I was thinking specifically of Western fandoms like discussed above (e.g. Jayvik) and how they recreate that dynamic despite the characters they're drawing upon are nothing like that. But, irl porn does also influence East Asians too and I think it amplifies the issues.
>>12674I actually think this probably the least racebaity discussion we'd had, no? Anyways, I agree about the big butts. BBLs are bleeding into BL, smh. A firm and shapely butt's nice but not if it's over-exaggerated.
No.12677
>>12670>associateyou are trying to rationalize what you are too afraid to say.
Some people like pale skin, some people like brown/tanned skin, there is no "you like this because society told you to associate this with beauty" no that's a cope.
If something looks pretty, it's pretty.Simple as.
No.12680
>>12679Cope.
Even the term colorism is a massive cope. Society doesn't create beauty standards on it's own, why do you think Koreans like to bleach their skin? they don't do it do it because they are brainwashed by evil white society, they do it because they think it's pretty.
It's racist to think pale skin is pretty?
(racebait) No.12681
>>12680Colorism doesn't stop being real just because you don't like acknowledging it, lol.
No.12682
>>12680It's not because of white people but due to upper class people being lighter because they don't have to do manual labor. Still doesn't make it any better
No.12684
>>12674>Look at a series of drawings of a male character being tentacle raped>Translate the author's commentary>"Every time he loses a match and gets raped his body becomes more soft and feminine, his anus now resembles a vagina and he's starting to produce breast milk"It's like the opposite of that one meme where you hit the translate button and see a diamond.
No.12685
>>12680you really aren't helping your case here
No.12686
>>12684>his anus now resembles a vaginawhat the fuck does that even mean
No.12687
>>12684could you link it?
No.12688
>>12682yeah and in America and some parts of Europe tanning salons and sun bathing became popular because tanned skin looked so pretty. To the point people risked getting skin cancer just to get a tan.
Some things don't require much thought behind it, people like what they like.
No.12690
>>12674I've also never really liked the bubble butts that some BL has, it's always put me off the same way that pecs the size of breasts do (especially with lactation involved)
I've seen a handful of nonas that enjoy both so I avoid ragging on it too much
>I find it just as bad as cuntboy.Ironically a lot of the CB that I come across gives the boys more realistic, flat builds and that's how I get tricked into reading some of it
No.12693
>>12690>Ironically a lot of the CB that I come across gives the boys more realistic, flat buildswonder to what extent that has to do with Chinese culture believing that a thinner build is more ideal for both men and women.
No.12696
>>12678Same kneejerk reaction here. I don't associate butts in BL with women so I wouldn't have thought to google a 3D woman to post as an example. I like big butts, or the suggestion of it at least, but I haven't seen them much outside of fanart. Is it a Korean thing? I usually don't read webtoons with sex scenes in because the art puts me off. SFW webtoons get prettier styles with less retarded lips and coloring.
With fanart I do find that people have a habit of using oval tools for both men and women, and not referencing what shapes of butt are actually common for men. When I think big butt bottom I first think wide flat rather than round. Bubble butts are cute on skinny twinks but that's more shape than size. If it's a buff guy then it's in proportion with the rest of the chunk and bulging so it doesn't stand out much. I can forgive fetish art for equating everything to "make bigger hurfdurf" because they're past the point of horny logic while doing it, but my interest is in thick thighs, soft belly, things that squish up together when compacted. The butt is an extension of the thighs and you can't just draw circles and call it a day. Make it wide flat and give a crease and bunching later to show when the top rams against the mass. In the end the give or firmness of the flesh is more appealing than simply the size.
>>12686Slippery sloppy? I've seen artists use it to mean things slide in easily. Furthest from my experience of vaginas for sure but I assume they're thinking fluffed porn actress.
No.12697
>>12686>>12694I haaaate when artists draw vertically-stretched hole. It's so clear they're two steps from wanting to make it a pussy, and I've found it showing up in things other than force-fem lately.
No.12699
>>12697It reminds me of that one nikocado avocado butthole photo that people seemed to be using as the sequel to goatse.
No.12702
>>12696I think many of us here are tired of the claim that "yaoi is heterosexuality with a extra steps" So when we see shit from bl artists that confirm that view, we denounce it. That applies to mpreg and cuntboy, but also when male characters have hip female proportions and anuses that are described as vaginas.
No.12703
>>12702Nta but yes I agree but not only because of critics but also because this is a genre about relationships between males. If I wanted to read about some male having sex with a GNC female with a flat chest I would just do that (and I do!).
No.12705
>hasn't read the anal fissures yaoi
This is how you can tell tourists from the real og.
No.12706
Seriously though, if I hear another fake fujo cuntboy tif chaser talk about her disgusting self centered greasy as hell vegan buttery "lobster" I am going to strangle them.
No.12707
>>12584My only issue is that i have the reverse weakness, i want to see more aggro pale semes and cute dark skinned ukes.
>>12674I love plump butts but it's very hard to depict them without having them look massive and out of place. I hate when they're drawn to take up space relative to the guy's body, a perfect male "big butt" should be noticeable but concentrated in one spot.