No.9888[View All]
Ah shit, I hate when I reply to a thread that is past bump limit.
Shit you Hate 3.0, post stuff that makes you unreasonable enraged.
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>>4907 No.12733
kek I think it's that time of year again where people complain about ao3 donations and how we could be giving all that money to people suffering around the globe. I doubt these people complaing even give water bottles to the local homeless man.
No.12734
>>12709This might make me read it…
No.12735
I understand fixed shipping autism when your fandom is like 50/50 divided on who's the top between A and B, but when 99% of fan content is AxB and you, another AxB fan, get a mental breakdown over a 1% amount of BxA content, and feel the need to constantly bitch and whine about how upset it makes you to see your favorite uke top, then you need serious professional help. Like, if I mostly like AxB but can sometimes, very rarely, enjoy BxA too, then I'm not gonna call myself a switch truther and tag all of my content as switch content. If the mere existence of variety triggers someone so much, then maybe they should move on to het and leave BL alone.
No.12738
>>12735I agree it's so strange how if someone even makes BxA content once it's enough to get them on a blocklist. If the person tags correctly then you shouldn't be able to see it. It's also funny when AxB fans say shit like "Look at that arch he was meant to be an uke, he looks like he takes it up the ass" etc but if BxA fans said the same thing they'd get so pissed and call them homophobic for stereotyping. Admittedly though I do like all of my ships vers so I've never understood top/bottom autism. It seems like a weird way people are trying to extend control over fandom, it doesn't help when people who ship AxB make B have female genitals as to "permanently" make him a bottom which is gross.
No.12740
>>12738I have some fixed ships and usually have a preference when it comes to fanworks (mostly because of difference in characterization between AxB and BxA that often appear) but I'm never triggered or get upset when seeing the opposite, I genuinely don't understand the people who say they want to puke or that they day is ruined when they see a reverse of their fixed ship… It's such an alien mindset. Tow people who genuinely love each other and you love shipping them for it and the mere idea of them doing something different in bed once makes you so upset…
No.12741
>>12740While my reaction isn't that strong, I will often choose my top/bottom alignment based on aesthetics so if I feel like B/A doesn't look aesthetically pleasing I get the type of reaction similar to if I see an artstyle that I find unappealing. Usually this happens with muscular bottoms.
No.12742
>>12741Ah, I think I understand what you mean. For me it's the opposite with super feminine, borderline female looking bottoms that I don't enjoy looking at and still it never produces the visceral reaction some fixed shippers are describing. I understand finding something unappealing but they talk about seeing reverse like they just saw scat or something equally disgusting…
I mostly see it from asian fujos though, english speaking ones don't quite go that far when talking about it, lol
No.12743
>>12738>it doesn't help when people who ship AxB make B have female genitals as to "permanently" make him a bottom which is gross.>>12742>super feminine, borderline female looking bottoms>I mostly see it from asian fujos thoughThis has happened to me as well. I saw a cluster of fujos that liked my favorite as a bottom but they said that seeing him topping was so revolting, it would be better to just make him a woman and give him a pussy. Japanese fujos, by the way.
It shocked me so much it turned me off completely of seeing him as a bottom honestly.
I think a black pill to swallow is that a lot of japanese fujos are still very much homophobic or have so much internalized misogyny like crazy.
They take pride in acting "like a perverted old man" or putting their favs through moid hentai fetishes / situations. It's a bit disheartening / annoying to see.
No.12744
>new female targeted gacha announced
>its another fucking otome which means yumeschizos will ban bl shipping
worst era ever for joseimuke fujos. fujos are never going to leave hoyoverse.
No.12745
>>12744yeah it's fucking grim. Why are there so few companies that see fujos as potential customers, no wonder hoyoverse looks good in comparison.
No.12746
>>12743>it would be better to just make him a woman and give him a pussyThis mindset is so alien to me but especially because I only enjoy women in porn if it's femdom kek. But I like dominant bottoms and those kinds of dynamics too. Even more bizarre is how common dominatrix jokes are in Japanese media but that doesn't really translate to what's actually popular I guess.
No.12748
>>12742>>12746I love androgynous boys because I enjoy cuteness and soft and round features but even so I can't enjoy it when people take it too far. Some people I know will share Guftrup Link and I absolutely hate it because he's so yassified that he just isn't Link anymore.
No.12750
>>12745I hate Hoyo so much because their yaoi is always so half baked because they don't give a shit about writing most of their male characters, but it looks like a fucking buffet compared to the other gachas. Other joseimuke games just don't attract the type of adult who can at least string a sentence and plot together when writing fanfiction. Japan wants to stick to the same formulaic music projects that rarely see the light of global and all Chinese games are either waifu slop or otome games where they ban any BL fan content. It's such a bad time for fujos when no one wants to pander but fucking Hoyoverse. They seem to be the only big gacha company still making twinks or long haired bishies with fujobait now.
No.12751
>>12743>They take pride in acting "like a perverted old man" or putting their favs through moid hentai fetishes / situations. It's a bit disheartening / annoying to see.I've been called a moralfag/puriteen because I said I don't like seeing ukes being gang-raped by ugly bastards. I'm not against fictional rape in a story, but I want it to be done by the attractive canon characters, not by fat/ugly men.
No.12754
>>12751Nta but what would you think if an attractive seme raped an ugly bastard?
Anyways to stay relevant to the thread, I really do dislike how comics aren't as common anymore in fan art. I either see the cutesy stuff (which okay fine everyone likes to see their OTP) or people making these elaborate well-shaded pieces of symbolism involving characters but you can tell the artists regurgitating the same stuff they've seen other people do and actually have put little effort into understanding this specific dynamic and it seems so performatively deep. Meanwhile with comics you do have to explore the relationship a little and no pretty art will make up for it, but people are allergic to that I know some fan artists who have never in their 10 years of fandom made a comic which is insane. Even cutesy art I get annoyed internally by being like, they would not express affection that specific way why are we using art template of the week. And then I force myself to unclench lol.
No.12755
>>12754As an artist I admit I'm a huge slut for feedback, and putting a lot of effort into art to make comics and all just doesn't pay off much. Most people do not leave any comments or any of their thoughts in tumblr reblog tags, even, there are pieces circulating on twitter that have like 10k likes and only 5 comments. You can get the same amout of likes and comments by making a simple cutesy art, so why bother? Of course, passion will motivate you to put more thought and effort into your pieces, and it does motivate me, but damn, it's so hard to sit down and spend weeks, months on making something when your brain craves that dumb dopamine rush you get from social media likes. Ugh.
Plus, these days you can get cancelled and doxxed for almost anything, so it's safer to just make simple cutesy art kek.
No.12756
>>12754>Nta but what would you think if an attractive seme raped an ugly bastard?I would also be less interested in it, because I don't want to see fat/ugly men.
No.12757
>>12754Comics definitely seem more popular with asian artists. On that note I clearly understand that this is just a skill issue on my part but it's frustrating sometimes when asian artists use their handwriting to fill in the text bubbles in their comics and my translation software starts having trouble.
No.12758
Slight tangent but I genuinely don't understand this new trend of stanning uggos. Sometimes I think that it can't always be performative when girls lust after and ship ugly old men because there's just so much of it and it has so much energy than they give the actual perfomative token GL fanart. I've seen so many Rick Sanchez fangirls and fujos shipping the Disco Elysium men. I wonder if some girls in fandom are just looks-blind and are attracted to personality (despite these men also having garbage personalities, they would appeal to women who like pathetic bastards and cocky pricks, I guess).
No.12759
>>12758Kek, I'm the opposite of you, I feel annoyed when I see people going crazy over stuff like that hockey slop yaoi, because it's obvious that its popularity is due to both characters being handsome muscular men with model faces. Like, what about the characters' dynamics? What about their chemistry? Fandoms like disco elysium where the characters are uggos often offer great chemistry between the leads, and that's the main appeal of yaoi to me.
No.12760
>>12759Are they actually that handsome though? I think they're actually both really foul-looking.
No.12762
The problem with gachas is Japan doesn't want to do any good localizations for joseimuke games in global so a lot of fujos won't event touch them. They stick to Hoyo because Chinese games are either waifuslop pretending to be omni games, or otome games where psycho yumes ban m/m shipping. Fujos always seem to be losing, which is why it pains me seeing that the only anime style game fandom on AO3 now is Hoyosloppa.
No.12767
Why do people act like Nu carnival doesn't exist? Is it because of the Eidenfags having melties over clanshipping so other fujos don't count it?
No.12768
>>12767The characters are cute but nothing significant ever happens, not to them nor their relationships, nor the story and gameplay. Everything is static as hell. Small indie devs so I empathise that they can't deliver groundbreaking gameplay but still. Played for 4 years before dropping btw so I gave it a fair shake.
No.12769
>>12767As someone who plays when my fave gets an event, it's honestly hard to recommend because it's "outdated" compared to modern gacha. It's a 2D VN style gacha, which doesn't automatically = bad, Arknights is a 2D gacha I personally find fun to play, but that's not the case for Nu:Carnival. It's has very boring and repetitive gameplay, and even more so when you don't care for the event or characters featured in them. I also agree with
>>12768 For a game for adults, the stories are very milquetoast and at times it feels like the writers are afraid of delving into darker topics. Then again, there's evidence that the English version is censored, so I'm not sure if that's the case for the TW/JP version. Also, if you find yourself not liking Eiden you are SOL. I once tried to recommend it to a fujo friend and she thought he was ugly and annoying so she lost interest immediately kek
No.12771
>>12767I think people want more options than just one game, which most haremfags have, and even yurifags have more options if they want waifu games with yuribait. Not to mention there's fujos who love the ability to make up their own ships and porn scenarios by themselves, and these gachas can also not let the cast interact that much because of mcfags. Like if a game that was like Ensemble Stars or Twisted Wonderland had all boys and different dynamics and ships but actual open world or better gameplay, would it get big? Only Japan really makes games like that but they suck at innovating which is why people think that Hoyoverse is serving up gourmet husbandos.
No.12772
>>12771I envy how men have a cornucopia of coomer games with various gameplay styles. It helps sometimes if a game is omnipandering but with something like Cloud meadow it means that although there is M/M content you also have to look at female NPCs with gigantic tits.
No.12773
>>12770Don't forget that one Kuya room about the consensual sex slave trade.
I'll give Nu: Carnival credit though, it's the only BL gacha game by women for women that actually care about the game's success and the fanbase they amassed. I can't say the same for the other BL gachas which were all low effort cash grabs.
No.12774
>>12772It's so over for fujos because the only game considered a victory over the waifuslop are otome where they hate fujos. They always say "you don't spend on BL games" but there's barely any good ones and porn games are too niche, even if Nu Carnival is popular. China can't make any high budget BL game and Japan just won't put money towards any joseimuke game period. Not to mention they made Velvet React which sucked. Looking at how popular Hoyoverse yaoi ships are, I really do think if any game at least tried to get the fujo audience while having story and gameplay, it would do well, but no one is going to try it.
No.12775
>>12773Funnily enough, I actually know a girl who was run out of a Nu:Carnival discord server because they found out she was a woman and were insisting the game wasn't for dirty, fetishizing girls like her. It was for manly man tifs like them instead kek
No.12777
Im sorry, I really don't care if there are no other fujo pandering games out there, I have zero respect for women who are still playing hoyoshit in year 2026 after they have completely dropped the facade and are proud incel misogynists.
No.12779
>>12776I'd argue in the beginning they threw a lot of bait for Zhongchi (in art especially), but like many gacha, characters come and go so quickly it's basically a drip in the pool.
I hate seeing characters fade to irrelevance like that, which is one of the reasons I find gacha games difficult to play from a fujo perspective.
No.12780
>>12772Cloud Meadow is nasty furryshit anyway
No.12781
>>12776A lot of fujo ships are like this (never played overwatch but according to my friend into it these two were literally shipped because of that), even as a fujo I have to roll my eyes a bit when people try and say "male characters just have better chemistry/writing" it's okay to admit you just wanna see two hot guys fuck.
>>12778I'm sorry but putting up with one piece's scrote shit for two fugly guys with no fujobait whatsoever is dumb, at least use Owari no Seraph as an example.
No.12782
>>12781If you don't like it, then whatever. Just keep being miserable with no content forever.
Anyone who uses "scrote" will probably never be happy.
No.12783
>>12776That's the only big homoship hoyo actively avoided revisiting, the other ones keep getting content here and there.
No.12784
>>12783Let's be really fair. There is nothing for Zhongchi to begin with.
No.12785
>>12782Ofc a slop enjoyer bootlicks Oda's pedo supporting ass kek
No.12786
>>12782>Anyone who uses "scrote" will probably never be happy.Where do you think you are, handmaiden?
No.12787
>>12785>giving example is bootlickingI'd say /v/ is that way, but wrong image board.
Fujos with free will stay happy making their own content. You may stay miserable.
No.12788
>>12778Agree, Zoro belongs with Luffy though lol.
I don't understand people who expect canon ships, I read or watch something because I enjoy it, the shipping is an extension of that love. Every time I've tried to gwt into something purely for a ship I've been burned.
No.12789
>>12777This type of realisation is what made me stop being into Fate/ years ago. Even if the franchise produces attractive men sometimes that are shippable, it's very obvious that big titty waifus and lolis for the incels will always be prioritised and at this point everything exists for the mobile game which is MC wanking so I'm sure the female side of that fanbase is going to be yume-heavy to begin with.
No.12790
>>12777I don't have any moral issue / lack of respect for hoyoverse fujos. I understand how awesome being in an insanely large current thing fandom must for be for some people and artists especially.
But it's harder for me to understand how everything revolves around gacha men who are completely dressed head to toe with very basic personalities while there's so many more female half-dressed characters who come out. And then the fandom will say it's so empowering and the waifus slay. There's better video games you can play with cute boys, better gacha games you can play with cute boys, better everything imo.
No.12791
>>12790>completely dressed head to toe with very basic personalitiesI think this is more of a problem in genshin tbh, at least HSR seems ok when it comes to designs and personalities.
I don't really need male characters to be half-naked anyway, fanart exists for a reason, and even then there is an occasional Mydei or the new Blade who have quite a sexy design. Personalities are hit and miss but that applies to males and females equally.
>There's better video games you can play with cute boys, better gacha games you can play with cute boys, better everything imo.If cute boys is all I cared about I'd just look at random art online without caring about playing the games or enjoying the story.
No.12819
>>12776I argue Zhongchi was actually interesting because true, Genshin always was more about throwing ingredients and letting people cook, but the tropes were so big they paid attention. Only reason it fell off is because China is butthurt at the idea of their god being in a homo ship. There was some conflict with harbinger sent undercover but not really with archon pulling the strings, but Hoyo absolutely sucks at doing ships with conflicts and Childe went from being a character who was the only one who introduced some moral dimension to the game to being a joke because Hoyo is ass at storytelling.
>>12783Chinese fans reported them because yumes are schizos.
>>12790Hoyo yaoi is very bland, even HSR makes you think some yaoi is going to be peak but they take so long doing anything and the resolutions are always so fast because the players are infants. Renheng was cool but just now got some more teasing, but it's so flavorless because Hoyo always plays it safe with all their stories. Other games that can do more won't be popular because they don't have the reach Hoyo has. The only other options are otome games that hate fujos, and waifu shit. Hoyo is "it" for fujos because it's the only game with normalfag appeal and the ingredients for fandom, and it does suck for fujos.
No.12822
>>12819>Renheng was cool but just now got some more teasing, but it's so flavorless because Hoyo always plays it safe with all their stories.Is it really flavorless? The bait is strong and in your face, their relationship getting better is all thanks to years of DH's character development, sucks if you were only into it because of them trying to kill each other but the story was always leading to them getting along again.
The only problem I have is that a lot of their interactions went offscreen but we still got way more than I personally expected.
Honestly I don't think hoyo will ever be able to do some genuinely interesting complicated dynamics because of censorship.