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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.9544
>>9532Same here, I've always found slash and slashers interesting even though I'm a weeb at heart. I never got close enough to those spaces to see the bad so I do feel somewhat nostalgic when I think back to 2014 Tumblr. On the other hand, a lot of those same people turned out to be gendies like you said so maybe there was a lot of current day fandom rot already brewing there lol.
On a similar note, I wish I could have experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took over
I'm a zoomer so unfortunately I became active in fandom spaces when enshittification already started happening. I'm sure it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but knowing that there used to be a time where people weren't obsessed with thinking fandom is activism makes me a bit sad when I think about it.
No.9545
>>9532Like
>>9542 I was around for Homestuck but there was a decent portion of weeaboo shippers/fujos hanging around early 10s tumblr as well, it was how I got EN yaoi and general discussion for a lot of 3DS/PS3/Vita games. It was the spawning pool for a lot of "industry" people who also may or may not have also been on /a/ and /co/. I'm also getting really nostalgic thinking about it. The post-smartphone pre-gamergate internet was honestly pretty chill if you learned to not engage with landmines. I even liked the tumblr/4chan cross pollination (does anybody remember "Indexer" from /hsg/? That's where I learned to stop saving tumblr thumbnails!).
>>9544>experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took overHonestly I wouldn't go back if given the choice. I'm spoiled by modern QoL. Yeah it was fun and maybe even "SOVL" to trawl through JP fansites for the good shit, but I definitely don't have that kind of time anymore. I don't think anybody does, not even the kids who are the age I was when I was doing all that haha.
If it makes you feel any better I think the fandom=activism people are either growing up or leaving fandom spaces. I don't really see that kind of stuff anymore unless it's reposted here and it used to be that I could NOT escape it.
No.9584
>like character from newly released thing
>fandom starts to form
>people start to grossly mischaracterize character
>no longer like character
I only have to wait until the fandom dies I guess…..
No.9585
>>9553That sucks. Is she drawing general characters or pairings? I don't play gacha slop but there have been a couple cute m/m pairings and I'm enjoying the art so far.
No.9590
I wish japanese artists would upload their genderbent art separately and not under collections of that character, specially when they draw them as titty monsters. It's borderline gross.
No.9591
>>9589Oh fuck yeah those two are hot as fuck. I don't like tragic stuff but the fujobait between them is very nice.
Sorry, some nonna's loss are some other nonna's gains.
No.9607
Scrolling through summer sales and once again lamenting that I'm never into the Big series that get reduced merch and discs. Closest I got is Tourabu and it's always the musicals that are too extortionately expensive to follow.
No.9614
>>9589this is so heartbreaking i loved their roscest
No.9625
>>9327>>9339toxic yumes will shit on fujos or literally any shipper because anything besides them x husbando is a NOTP and then invent a whole toxic conspiracy around themselves. if you are a very strict self-shipper, you have to filter out all of fandom or other fans essentially
>>9329I know it's just yumes or antis with an excuse to shit on something but do people actually see two cartoons from a video game and think
>OMG N IS TWENTY AND HILBERT IS A MINOR No.9626
>>9623>I like my boys pretty but I like them male!Same, that's why I was drawn to anime and ancient cultures where the beauty of men and the relationships between them was celebrated.
I can't stand gender bent, cuntboy, pregnancy, and you know what I kinda don't like femboys or cross-dressers all that much either.
No.9627
>>9623I like magic babies and mpreg when it was an actual weird fetish instead of an ironic joke. I also just want to see male homosexuals instead of pussy.
Fuck roidpigs, "realistic representation", hairy fat balding uggos, ugly old men, and women on testosterone. I want pretty boys. Both boys should be pretty enough to be uke. Men would look more attractive if they were less sexually dimorphic and masculine but I need the dick and balls.
No.9628
>>9623>Never have I seen women so obsessed with pregnancy….It's weird. Even non-TIF fujos I know in real life love mpreg. I have no idea what the appeal is or how it exploded in popularity.
>it's the only version of mpreg I can tolerateSame!
No.9629
>>9623>between this and the cuntboy shit I am just so sick of female bodies and bodily functions in my BLI don't get it.
>mpreg>but "he" has a vagina>and breasts>somehow still considered yaoi by the artist/their followersMake it make sense.
No.9630
>>9629It's self-insertion brainrot. This one time I saw one of those 'male' character OCs who on top of everything else was also obese and it was very obvious that the creator of that OC was obese herself.
No.9631
I'm anti-natalist IRL, but I love mpreg stories in BL/yaoi lol. It's not so much about the feminization of male bodies for me but rather the whole melodrama (and comedy?) of ukes finding out that they're pregnant and deciding to hide it from the semes through ridiculous methods. Bonus points when the seme gets upset thinking the uke had a child with another woman, before finding out that the uke birthed the child AND that he's the father. I don't know why but the whole misunderstanding plot and drama just scratches my brain the right way.
There's this danmei author who writes ten variations of this exact trope and I eat her slop up every single time lol. But whenever the baby grows into a toddler I just start tuning out because I can't stand kids.
No.9632
>>9625I was going to jokingly jump up and say "I do! It's what makes it interesting!" But then I thought about it for two seconds, and weren't the protags of BW older than usual? Like fifteen or sixteen-year-olds? It's not nearly as shocking, given characters that age in fiction are often as clued in and capable as adults, just in different social situations. The emphasis of the age gap is on N being an adult who has little knowledge or experience of society; detached but fully developed in his ways. This is further expanded on by the manga giving the protags jobs and connections in the world, where N has never had the opportunity and reaches out to them as essentially his first point of contact. Unlike real kids his age there's not much minor about Hilbert, he's very responsible and sensible as a counterpart to N. The ship is hinged on him trying to be understanding and negotiating with someone paradoxically less "wise to the world" than him, but who in turn shows him a way of thinking that contradicts what he's experienced. BW doesn't work without the maturity to accept the message of both boys and balance truth and ideals without stomping on either.
>>9627As an mpreg enjoyer
what's the point of sexualizing a pregnant man if there isn't an erection under the curve of his belly? Come ON, guys. Stop thinking about gross childbirth logistics and just be actually horny when you're doing freak of nature stuff.>>9631Yeah has to be a magic monsterboy baby that does cute baby animal type antics instead of real toddler stuff.
No.9854
I like young smaller ukes (shota I've only just been able to admit) but I'm uncomfortable about it. the discourse, accusations, and proximity to people who are actually bad trigger me, it's neverending
No.9864
>>9854ive come to terms with liking shota a while ago, being grouped in with pedophiles is one thing, people who think like that are just retarded moralfags who dont think through what theyre actually saying
what i really dont understand tho are people who claim to be profic and whatever but draw the line at shota. what exactly makes them draw the line there and not at rape or other "problematic" topics? either be okay with everything or nothing but you cant draw your line somewhere and expect others to do so aswell
No.9865
>>9854This one overseas fandom I'm in is such a relief, mostly adult women that are just having fun so it was a shock to see so many go "Holy shit Shota??!! Cute! Genius!!! Siesta wave!!!", I'd almost forgotten that thats how things used to be.
No.9866
>>9864they still probably feel guilty or insecure about it, so it helps them to draw the line somewhere, ie "I may read rape fics but at least not shota" that's basically how I was (without directing hate at others) and I see it a lot.
that, or they've seen too many examples who are messed up and therefore feel suspicious of it. I know what site it is but it unsettles me how many self-proclaimed pedos are on shota threads on /cm/ for instance, adds to my discomfort being in any way associated
No.9867
>>9864there's maybe another dimension too about what it means liking those forms, but it's not good mentally for me to go into right now
No.9885
>>9865Hah, I'm jealous. I just keep my feelings about shota to myself because I don't want to become the subject of discourse unless I'm in a proship space like the shota channel on the citrus con discord. Though I don't have any sort of guilt cause I know that cartoons are nothing like real life. There's small boys living in my neighbourhood and when I look at them I just feel disgust cause they're obnoxious.
No.9909
>>8865I want to participate in fandom, but I don't want to deal with all the gendies and puritans that are everywhere. The last time I tried getting involved with a fandom I got followed by so many people with tranny flags and pronouns in bio that I gave up in the end. How do you guys do it? Do you make your stance on all of this crap clear even if it gets you wrapped up in discourse and a bunch of people calling you a terf in qrts?
No.9912
>>9909I quietly mute anyone like that. They would know if you blocked them, but muting is invisible.
No.9924
>My obscure fic of a rarepair that no one else has written and has only 2 bookmarks on pixiv now has 3
>check it out
>seems they really liked it based on the tag they left
>look at profile
>long-ass multi paragraph monologue stating they are a yume, their long list of preferences, that they are not a fujo, but sometimes they read fujo fic and imagine the uke is their yume OC
>OK
I'm glad you liked my fic, but do you have to tell that shit to everyone? TMI in the most literal sense. And one of the other people who faved it was a (male) yume too. While this ship is very rare, I know there are or were a couple of other shippers out there… I just wish one of them would find me. I wanna sperg about it…
No.9925
>>9854I love teenage shota but I don't really talk about it because of the reasons you mentioned. A lot of edgy "proships" who are into shota act super obnoxious about it, completely ignoring others' boundaries regarding an issue that can be unironically triggering to many, and like you said the proximity to genuine pedophiles is disgusting. I just think shotas are cute and it's kind of a reliving adolescence through them as a boy thing for me. And I really hate how people conflate specifically things like teenage shota with loli, like none of the loli girls are meant to be seen as 14-year olds, they clearly have the bodies of prepubescent girls well under 10.
No.9927
>>9925Only tangentially related but I had enough experience with anime kids being way older than their size made them look so I assumed Tokiyuki was like 12 and then when I found out he was 8 I had a mini-crisis… Now I just pretend I didn't see it lol
No.9930
>>9924God honestly that sounds awful. If I put the effort into making my niche rarepair be known and all it does is fuel yumes of what is probably the (more popular character) I'd just go crazy.
I hope you can find shippers of your ship eventually, anon.
No.9934
>>9930It was a video game PC/canon character type ship, so yeah, probably impossible to avoid yume crossover there. My stuff actually did better on Ao3 but I still have yet to encounter one of the mythical fellow shippers. One day…
No.9936
>>9924This reminds me of the one time when I saw a jp
fujo 's profile and she said she mostly liked the hetbend version of her ship, and then proceeded to straight up admit to self-inserting as the genderbent uke. I thought that was really blatant, but I kept reading and at the end she said
While I think the characters (in her ship) are in love with each other, I also see them as strictly straight. In the end, a lot of people in Japan still sadly have very heteronormative/homophobic views, and a lot of the yumes like calling themselves fujos for some reason.
No.9958
>>9936what the fuck is this mentality holy shit
I guess they like the character's interactions but they can't deal with the gay? boooooo
No.9968
I'm feeling so doomer about fandom now nonnas. Are we ever going to see the end of "fujos are misogynistic for not writing about female characters and not playing otome games" or are we doomed to have the same misconceptions every week as new fandom scholars keep making the same arguments? Are we screwed because that ao3 list maker who wants to start smearing fujos as racist and sexist will never get a job and stop causing this discourse?
No.9969
>>9968I've been feeling doomer about something else. I can just block annoying people but all this shit lately with payment processors and collective shout makes me think that at some point AO3 is going to become a target because it allows underaged and noncon fics among other content.
No.9971
>>9969Yeah same, I'm more worried about AO3 attacks. I can always tell randos to fuck off online.
No.9979
>>9968I hate that the "they're fetishizing gay people!" discourse has evolved into "fujos are misogynistic!" I'm seeing this a lot in BL fandoms too. Fujos can never win. They tell us to fuck off from shonen and other non-BL related IPs, and when we do and create our own material with BL, we're told to fuck off once again and call us misogynists because either women are not present at all, dare to be villainous, or aren't prominent enough in a BL. Their opinions don't matter and no matter how much they screech that fujos are blatantly misogynistic or have it internally, they will never look at the mirror and see their screeching at policing a woman's interest is also misogynistic. Funny how they do this only to female interests but never to males. Ever. We're totally breaking that glass ceiling ladies~ Keep at it!
And unfortunately unlike the fetish argument, I don't think we'll ever escape that misogyny ad hominem they're currently using. I think fujos have to treat it the same way they did with the fetish accusations. "Okay. Don't care." They can cry all they want, but if people just "embrace" it then they have no power over you. Inside you know you're not a misogynist, and really that's all what should matter. Go make your own material if you feel so strongly about it- Oh wait, they can't!
No.9980
>>9958It's totally ridiculous, isn't it? I thought that she either liked the dynamic but only if it's straight, or that she might be a yume that had to cope with the fact that her husbando mostly gets fujo content, so she shamelessly projects herself onto the genderbent version of his boyfriend (who she knows she can't actually compete with, kek).
The western side of fandom is bad as we all know it, but the jp side isn't all sunshines and rainbows either. I sadly often see fujos who have 100% fixed no switching preference for a ship (fair), but then come up with
AUs where the uke is a girl, and try to insist that the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matter. But then they lose it if you suggest having them switch, or having the seme become a girl, and that makes me wonder if they actually like
boys love.
No.9981
>>9980>the characters would love each other no matter what, so gender doesn't matterI hate this trope so much. It feels so invalidating in a way I can't explain it.
I may have seen it in a BL somewhere, where a guy falls in love with another guy for the first time *gasps!*, but then it turns out it was his female soulmate who reincarnated in a male body!
In my mind it doesn't feel like a true m/m pairing. More of that, 'see its ok! Its not completely gay its just that they love each other sooo much, the male and female that is haha!' Not sure if its done so some people take an easier acceptance of m/m romance in some convoluted way, but it doesn't work for me.
No.9985
>>9981I hate this shit too, especially when its done to characters I HC as specifically gay and not bi. I saw an artist do a hetbend of a ship and made the guy who has never once shown interest in a woman drool over the genderbent version of his bf and I felt physically repulsed. For some reason all the jp fujos I've seen make all the characters bi and cannot seem to understand the concept of an actual homosexual :/
No.9990
>>9981I honestly don't care. I think bi characters are valid but it does put into question why they did it to begin with? like what's stopping one of their past lives being both women? Does that negate their sexuality when they're both men?
No.9992
>>9981>>9980>>9958>>9936I see this happen way too often. It's usually a combination of
>Said fujo also likes to consume male otaku porn content so they have the same coomer moid tastes like lolification (making the uke into a loli), turning the uke into a girl to give them big breasts for paizuri, humilliation rape (as a girl), other deranged typical doujin type fetishes that you find in male porn>They don't actually believe the characters to TRULY be gay, they may like BL but are somewhat homophobic so it'd be better if the ship was straight>Lowkey hidden dykes that genderbend the characters all the time (similar to example 1). I remember there was a genshin FUJO(?) jp fanartist that exclusively drew the characters as girls, it was always male characters.>Some fujos are so absurdly autistic about switching they'd rather see the uke be a girl than to ever see them as a top>Half yumejos that don't admit they self-insert into the uke (jp fujos aren't as upfront about character thirst like western fujos, but you can tell when an artist favors the seme far more than they do the uke) No.9994
>>9992Fujodykes or "Fujo" dykes are actually based. Genderbent Yuri ships usually attract a lot less annoying men (a lot of straight men are grossed out by genderbent versions of their favourite male characters, idek if that's homophobia sexism or whatever the fuck lmao). Also it doesn't annoy me because they're just making it Yuri and going the full way. Hetbends are what I truly never want to see, especially since it's always the uke getting hetbended.
>>9993I'm dumb but what imagery? Is this why everyone is so aggressively convinced Geto bottoms?
No.9995
>>9994Yeah same, I don't have an issue with fujos genderbending both characters even though I find it a bit weird but fairly inoffensive, but the hetbending is what gets me. It always has homophobic undertones and there are enough straight ships already, no need to heterofy the gay ones.
No.9998
>>9993I blocked or muted that artist, I was sick of her for this reason. The funniest thing is that while Geto is supposed to have a pretty face and has long hair and an intact hairline he's still a much taller than average man and very fit, he's physically stronger than everyone else aside from Maki and Toji if we're removing anything supernatural from the equation, he's just a hot man at the end of the day. The manga's art style doesn't even reflect his beauty very well either compared to how Gege and some characters describes him.
No.9999
>>9996tbh I think this is still Geto's domain expansion and not Kenjaku's, it's just that Kenjaku can use it by using Geto's body. And there's also how Gege came up with domain expansions after JJK0.
>its very funny to see people edit out the kenjaku scars in order to make it a 'female geto' win when he has been long dead in canonIt's still based on Geto's face but yeah. What I found funny was how Takaba says Kenjaku looks beautiful and handsome but there's that ugly as hell scar on his forehead the whole time.
Honestly I hate omegaverse but I get why everyone jokes about how JJK is an implied omegaverse manga with Panda joking that Yuji made Todo and Choso act weird with his pheromones or that scene where Gojo sniffs the air around him and smells Geto's cursed whatever, the implied comparisons between Geto's technique and pregnancy, the constant jokes about Geto being a pretty woman and Gojo being "her" golder retriever boyfriend aren't even funny and the ones who take this seriously are straight up annoying.