/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>10210
>>10207
I also choose to take the "wrapping medication for your dog in cheese" approach when mingling in public online spaces. I don't like that it makes me sound like a dweeb (I've gotten shit for it here haha) but these people are everywhere I'm not taking any chances.
>>10208
Girl same. I've cooled down a little as I got older but the NOTP autism still gets in the way of nice interactions I know I would have had otherwise.

>>10208
tell us about your NOTPs here

>>10208
I'm the same, nonna. Having this kind of autism brain is rough. There have been times where I saw someone I thought I'd vibe with and then they turn out to ship my NOTP and I run a mile.
I try to just put my stuff out there and hope likeminded people will see it but it's very rare to get interaction.

>>10208
God same. I wish I could contain my spergery when it comes to my NOTPs etc but for example I hate old ugly men (like actual old men, not 30-40somethings) and smug "old man yaoi" fans so much that I can't mask my distaste for them when people start going on about how hot some ragged old fart is.

>>10208
Sounds like you might be doomed to a life of fandom loneliness unless you can find people exactly into the same ship, vibe, and dynamics that you are.

>>10212
I won't mention the fandom but the character I like the most is shipped with a blank slate (not a yume character, but the typical personalityless male MC) and that's 90% of his content. Most people don't even care about him, they just want to fuck him, so they use the MC to project everything they want (to be done) to them.

>>10215
Believe it or not, this isn't *entirely* impossible, including having a similar personality to mine. Just like these anons >>10213 >>10214 exist, so do exist people who may have my same views on a ship but it's still rare to find someone.
It's not that I want people to be 1:1 to me, but I do dislike shallow people that can't even say WHY they even like their supposed OTP to begin with

>>10216
Maybe not impossible, sure, but the likelihood of encountering it in your preferred fandom seems low (since you mention you want to talk to more people but can't).

>>10213
Curious about situations like this. Even if you put your stuff out there, nothing prevents people from interacting with it who also ship other things as well. What do you even do in this case? Politely say thanks and move on?

>>10197
>fics that don't even feature penetration can have more intimate moments and can also feel more in character.
I love those. I don't mind dick-in-ass but it is overplayed. Well written frotting can be just as nice

>>10217
If it's somewhere like twitter and I can see they ship my NOTP/are a yume/are obnoxious, I block. On ao3, I've tried to train myself into the habit of not looking at the profiles of people who comment on my stuff because 90% of the time I will see shit I don't like. However, the overlap between my OTP and NOTP is very small because most people who ship my NOTPs are antis. If I do catch an anti engaging with any of my work though, such as a piece of art that could pass as platonic, I instablock.
The other people who ship my OTP are the problem because if enough of them were to see I blocked them, they could start talking. So I just mute those. But if they happen to comment on my work, I reply as politely as possible. I recently considered trying tumblr again just on the tiny off chance that somebody like-minded might send me an ask or DM, it's honestly the only place I know of where you could get actual interaction…
Also, I don't care if people ship other things. In fact, it's a good situation to be in when you have a fandom friend with a different ship/fave to you, if that ship doesn't involve your fave, because a fellow OTP shipper / X fave person can have wildly different taste.
What hurts the most is when I can see someone with very similar taste who I'd love to talk to but they're an Asian artist so I wouldn't know how to even start trying to make friends with them. Probably impossible.

>>10208
I can't find any fujos in any fandom that I'm in that shares the same ships AND follows their canon dynamic without changing it up to a retarded degree. Like sure porn fics are fun to write and read but not when they're different people with different mindsets and different genitalia from canon.
I don't know how fandom became like this, it's so common and I know everyone on fujochan complains about this but man I just want one friend who gets it, even if they ship a differen couple than me. Feels like everyone is full of landmines.
>>10220
I've had JP artists reach out to me but I don't do my reps so I leave them on read which makes me very sad. Let's all do our reps and get into JP fujodrama instead of EN fujodrama.

>>10206
>tif is a misogynist that hates her own body
woah
also love that absolutely handmaiden cucked behaviour she had in response
>I am glad they informed me :))))
These people are so utterly lost, she deserves to be around those who analyze every word she says and relentlessly criticize her.

>>10225
>These people are so utterly lost, she deserves to be around those who analyze every word she says and relentlessly criticize her.
I know right? I was like this around my college years but at some point I got fed up with trying to reason with people who clearly just take it out on me that they hate their bodies cause they got molested as a child or something. It reminds me of how there's two podcasters I've been following for a while who started out their careers being crass in the early 2010s but over time they've been pandering more to gendies and gendie-allied people but as a result whenever they're even a little crass in their humor again they'll get negative emails from people who are upset cause they made fun of a certain musician or subculture. And it's no wonder cause they literally started to build an audience of people who are fundamentally insecure.

>>10223
>I've had JP artists reach out to me but I don't do my reps so I leave them on read which makes me very sad
Damn nona, I'm so envious of you. Actually I have had this happen once before, but it was when I was drawing a rarepair in another fandom. Nothing in my current one so far.

>>10217
>nothing prevents people from interacting with it who also ship other things as well. What do you even do in this case? Politely say thanks and move on?
For me, as long as the other ship they ship isn't my NOTP it's fine for me. They can like anything else, but if it's the NOTP, that's just nope.
It's like how an anon said either in this thread or another, that they wrote for a very niche ship of theirs and two people liked the fic and one of them was a yumejo that'd replace the uke with themselves….if that's the kind of "fan" you'd get I absolutely would block that type of person regardless IF they actually shipped the ship.

>>10220
>>10223
>>10227
Eastern artists are still people, anons. They genuinely don't mind if you talk to them in google translate or straight away english. Stop being afraid.

>>10228
>Eastern artists are still people, anons. They genuinely don't mind if you talk to them in google translate or straight away english. Stop being afraid.
My problem is that I still don't fully understand the etiquette in different eastern fandoms. I've commented on art before and I know that's usually fine, but I would be nervous about randomly twitter DMing someone even if it was a western artist. That was honestly one of the good things Tumblr had, you could drop a random gushing message in someone's askbox and it was pretty normal.
Funnily enough I did once make a fandom friend who I later met in RL through randomly Tumblr DMing her that later turned into RPing our ship, but I still don't even remember how that happened.

>>10228
>>10229
Yeah I see way too many posts about the strict fandom etiquette in eastern fandoms that I'm too paranoid about breaking some niche rule I had no idea about when replying to someone. Every now and then a post pops up saying something like "NEVER do/say (a completely innocuous thing), it's VERY disrespectful in eastern fandoms!!!" and I have to wonder if it's just w/k/cboos making up shit to gatekeep their circles kek

>>10229
>>10230
There really isn't that much of an alien difference when it comes to eastern fandoms? At least it can be simple to behave if you aren't one of those obnoxious people who repost politics all the time and shove headcanons down people's throats.
Some artists don't like people going through their entire media tab to RT/Like ALL their drawings, and also most of them don't like QRTs either. Saying things like "kill yourself" in that type of "I'm so overwhelmed I hate you" will just confuse them.
Most jp artists won't "like" replies (as in, won't give a like for every reply) and will reply normally or never will, and some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos). It's just kind of the same thing you wouldn't do to another westerner either (at least I wouldn't).
Really, as long as you aren't an obnoxious anti or act like a teenager past your 20s, most eastern artists will give you the time of day. What they hate the most about foreigners is how it feels as if "they can get angry at anything" so you have to be prepared to like all sorts of things when talking to an eastern artist. From reverse ships to gendebends to cuntboys to the seme fucking the animalfied version of the uke, etc

>>10230
>some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos).
I've only recently started becoming friendly with non-en speakers in my current fandom and have noticed this (and now I do it too lol). Do you know any reason why they have this way of communicating? It's interesting that it seems there will be a conversation happening on a person's TL but you can only see one side of it unless you know who they're talking to. I also noticed that when liking someone's art, it's typical to just tweet about it instead of reply (and the artist, if following you, will usually like that tweet?).

Anyway, I rambled, but to the other anons… I really recommend it if your fandom is small. It can make your world a lot bigger and you can have more pleasant interactions, especially when maybe en fandom is kinda lame.

>>10231
>Most jp artists won't "like" replies (as in, won't give a like for every reply) and will reply normally or never will, and some communicate entirely through looking at someone's TL (and not direct under-tweet convos). It's just kind of the same thing you wouldn't do to another westerner either (at least I wouldn't).
Honestly I would interpret this as rude behavior myself, like someone is ignoring me and openly vaguetweeting about me and my work and I'm not meant to see it. I wonder where behavior like this comes from?

>>10233
I think if the tweets are positive it doesn't really matter. I always take "vaguetweeting" to be negative but in this case it's just stuff like "xyz-san's blorbo is so cute!!" I dunno how you can interpret that as rude.

>>10233
>I wonder where behavior like this comes from?
I think it came from not wanting to spam someone's notifications?

>>10234
This kind of thing unfortunately drives me up the wall because I'm really unlikely to see it. I barely check my TL ever. Please take pity on autists like me and just directly communicate.
The codenames people use for disguising their character/ship talk also make me go crazy sometimes because it can make the posts blended in with normal tweets.

>>10236
>The codenames people use for disguising their character/ship
You mean like when people use emojis? I always assumed it was because antis couldn’t stop themselves from shitting up the ship tag so people use emojis instead because you have to be in the know to use them. Also helps with the language barrier.

>>10238
nayrt but i see people censoring ship names by leaving out certain letters, for presumably the same reason. or to talk shit about a NOTP.

>>10238
I meant actually searchable names but emojis can be even worse if you have some rarepair that you can't find any discussion on normally even though you know from pixiv some shippers exist. The katakana version of the ship name happened to be the same as some Japanese company name so that was all Twitter was giving me, and I assumed there must be a special name.
Can you even emoji search on twt?

Just like everything else, gacha has become a wasteland for fujos while everyone else gets fed. Sad considering I went to joseimuke games when anime wasn't doing as much fujobait, but now it's either full on waifufag pandering, or if it's for women its an otome game like LADS where they don't like anyone making BL fanart or fanfics. Hoyo is still fujobaiting, but the company keeps messing with female players and will always betray you in the end. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that there is a fujo market for Bl with plots and stories. Not just porn games, not just self-insert. People want stories and plot in addition to romance. Hoyo sucks but it's clear they made it big and hooked a new fujo audience because no one else was pandering. Even new anime doesn't pander anymore. I'm sick of this cycle for fujoshi. Every time a company will use fujos for free money or fanart. Not even just gacha companies. Look what MAPPA did, Yuri on ice was a big success and it still didn't stop them from dropping BL to focus on WSJ titles instead. No one wants to pander to us and give us anime with the big budget animations, or the open world gacha games with the fun gameplay. Then when it's games for women we have to deal with yumes who shit on us and who would be more than happy to team up with incels to hate on the yaoi. Even the /vmg/ joseimuke thread might as well just be the yume thread since outside of NuC posting they're always shitting on fujos. They can be just as annoying as incels with hating on people who dare to ship any husbandos.

>>10241
iirc, one of the reasons Mappa cancelled YoI behind the scenes was because another company with a stake in the series had a contract taking enough of the profit that it wasn't worth it for them to continue with their current production costs.
Bucchigiri actually ended up having a lot of bait, but the writing was a mess and it couldn't decide what kind of story it wanted to be.

>>10241
>I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that there is a fujo market for Bl with plots and stories
The market is right there tho and it's called BL. If you want mainstream success like some big budget gacha or anime unfortunately that's an unrealistic expectation (for now at least), but if it's "BL with plots and stories" you're looking for they already exist out there in comics, webnovels, audio dramas. I'd rather directly support BL creators and works rather than the dogshit fujobait slop in gachas or gen anime.

>/jsmk/
Might as well rebrand it as the LADS general at this point. I stopped posting regularly after quitting Nucani early this year. It's not like there are any good joseimukes or omni gachas either, so there's no quality discussion to be had in those threads.

>>10244
Ntayrt but there is the issue that everything except comics are a huge filter for people.
Not very many people are willing to listen to audio dramas and probably less are open to reading web novels.

>>10232
>Do you know any reason why they have this way of communicating?
I think most artists get a lot of notifications over their fanarts and may often have them turned off. If they want to talk to someone they specifically do like, they'll look at their timeline instead. So it's unfortunate for this anon >>10236 because they actually prefer to look at their timeline.
Also, with the "cutting up character names / shipnames" apparently it's because they don't want regular fans to stumble upon slash content? But it's kind of stupid because it still ruins it for people who DO want to find such slash content… It's not the same using ダパ or something (for example) instead of the full ship name, it's too vague. Emojiposting can be cute but it's impossible to search.

>>10241
I complain about this to my friends all the time. Just like with the new PSG, they're baiting hard with the two male angels pushing them in advertising and promotions but give them noticeably downgraded animation and less interesting scenes in the actual anime. I wish fujos collectively grew wise to this and stopped giving companies free promotion unless they committed to giving us what we want instead of being cucked to settle for scraps and delusion every single time. At least people are being burnt out with gacha, a lot of the people who used to be big Hoyo players gave up with the new "government assigned BL ships" because they have literally no on-screen bait or chemistry between them compared to something like KaeLuc and HaiKaveh. They really thought they could just endlessly give two carte blanche tall males and expect the fans to do the rest forever, I hope ifaron bombing taught them a lesson. Fujos need to start putting their money where their mouth is, support indie fujo creators who are struggling and help them grow to send a message, volunteer for scanlation groups translating mangas and VNs etc. If hoyo BL artists put half the effort they put into cranking out pirate merman AUs into typesetting bestseller BL mangas we would be feasting all the time.

>>10243
Yeah they had to hawk the IP to many sponsors because nobody wanted to fund a fujo slanted series to begin with, I genuinely don't understand how they didn't think a well-made, normie-accessible, dramatic romance about two attractive male ice skaters in an international setting wouldn't be a runaway success in a market that's extremely popular but suffering of severe canon drought. People saying that fujobait doesn't sell are delusional, the only reason the series fail is that they're not given the same kind of budget as other shows and the writing gets severely compromised because they don't want to go "too" gay. Like think about buddy daddies, literally everyone dropped that series like a hot potato when it chose to take the straggot route making them feel betrayed.

>>10247
>I complain about this to my friends all the time. Just like with the new PSG, they're baiting hard with the two male angels pushing them in advertising and promotions but give them noticeably downgraded animation and less interesting scenes in the actual anime.
I feel like this has come up before, but how many people are actually watching the series just for fujo content? It seems more likely to me that people were fans of the original and were cautiously optimistic. It's the same deal with people who end up making Oreimo yaoi dj or getting into Warhammer 40k BL. It's not people enjoying "scraps" it's people having fun and shipping a series they'd otherwise enjoy yaoi or not.

>>10246
>Also, with the "cutting up character names / shipnames" apparently it's because they don't want regular fans to stumble upon slash content?
That's exactly it. Depending on each person it's either because they don't want to annoy non BL fans or because they don't want to be harassed and insulted by non BL fans.

>>10241
After the recent gacha events, I've given up on them as far as fujo pandering goes. It's become really clear that most of the gachas that do have a mixed gender cast (mostly Hoyo games) don't exactly want to pander to fujos, they just want to provide enough crumbs so that they can pretend they care for audiences other than straight men. When you look at other gachas that are honest about it and have a male self insert + a fully female cast (BA, Azur Lane, NIKKE etc), you'll notice that they don't exactly have a mainstream audience, which Hoyo very clearly is chasing. They want to have their cake and eat it too essentially. Joseimuke are slightly better, however there's still too much clashing between yumes and fujos, and even fujo-focused ones like Enstars will still occasionally throw some yume pandering.
There are still series that provide me my fujo fix, but it's getting rough out here. We don't even get sports anime that often anymore. I'm afraid this is also the result of fujos settling for crumbs time and time again, instead of supporting media that actually respects them and wants to appeal to them. If they really just have to play a gacha no matter what, they should play NuCarni, not a game that releases a new male character every 6 months.
>>10248
>It seems more likely to me that people were fans of the original and were cautiously optimistic.
This does happen, there's a lot of non-fujo series/games I enjoy and I usually end up having some silly BL crackships, so I can understand. But what I don't understand is people who seem to be into these series just for the fujobait, and they constantly set themselves up for disappointment when the series only gives them scraps.

>>10248
>It's not people enjoying "scraps" it's people having fun and shipping a series they'd otherwise enjoy yaoi or not.
This is where 99% of my ships come from. I do occasionally read original BL/danmei/westernshit but we only have so much time on this earth and I'm not going to eat a rock because I know there's a cherry in there, I'm going to eat what's appetizing to me and sometimes there is a cherry on top (yaoi).

My taste isn't even GOOD. My ideal BL manga is probably just "basic bitch 40 volume super popular shonenshit but this time the slowburn romance between the rival/MC is actually canon at the end".

That being said I do wish fujos could unionize and pirate/fanmerch everything until the manga ends. Whenever I see itabags full of official keychains/pins/stands that I know were released after the ship has been canonically cucked I'm like "girl…"

>>10247
it's ridiculous how almost every hsr fujobait got cucked in favor of something else.

>>10251
>>10253
Lately there's been an obvious trend of franchises deliberately getting rid of fujobait because they don't want the stigma of being a fujobait show (and want to compete with the rising Chinese anime industry), but they will still cram fujobait-y promotional material on everyone's feeds. The hoyoverse gachas are an apex predator of the industry doing this, they shit out 2 seconds worth of fan-commissioned fujobait and artificially inflate it to get people downloading the game and hope they'll stay for the vain hopes of getting fed when in actuality they're in for 8 months of armpit waifus before being tossed a short male that's more yumebait slanted than fujo pandering.
>inb4 lol hoyoshit
They're not the only ones doing it, they just set the business model up. A lot of posts on this site alone have been complaining about the lack of fujobait in recent shows and the ones that look promising barely get funding and the outright BL shows get cancelled or delayed, like who was surprised when the Nakamura-kun anime got delayed?

My favorite fanartist for my current otp just deleted all their accounts without warning. they even went through the effort of delisting their old doujins from toranoana (usually the page stays up for years even if they never reprint it). I need a moment to mourn I'm so sad.

>>10265
Damn what the hell, that's terrible. I'm so sorry nonna.
Was it a recent pairing or an old one? I wonder if they got disilusioned or something

>>10265
This has always been a fear of mine, so I compulsively save everything my favorite artist does. I'm sorry for your loss, nona. Hopefully they come back on another platform.

>>10234
I think this might have happened to me once with a JP artist mutual. I posted some nsfw art and they liked it and then later made a tweet about how much they love [kink that I drew]. At the time I just thought they were posting their thoughts inspired by my art into the void, but was it actually meant to be directed at me as a conversation? I don't remember whether I liked their tweet back but I must have. That artist had actually commented on one of my pictures before so I assumed they would comment if they wanted to. Either way, I never would have guessed. Have also been QRT before but have only liked instead of replying and in retrospect I wish I had.

All my friends that were into a niche ship not long ago all moved in to that nu-danganronpa yaoi and I hate it so much because it's not even good. I wonder how long this 'hyperfixation' will last but i'm just mad that my friends moved on too fast fuck

>>10281
The characters are so ugly.

>>10282
False.

>>10281
What ship nonna? Maybe they'll cycle back around in a few months.

>>10281
You mean Hundred Line? I think it's a good game, plus the yaoi ship (which I'm assuming you're talking about) actually has one-sided canon confirmation, as well as THAT one ending CG. Why not give it a try yourself?

>>10282
I don't think they're necessarily ugly but neither of them are aesthetically pleasing to me.

>>10285
Not naming the ship but it was from a fairly recent game, though admittedly the ship was also the most unpopular within it's fandom so I can understand moving on to popular things…

>>10287
I'm not into the 'obsessive yandere' type of ship (which is most Eitaku fanart) and I don't have time to read through VNs anymore. It's not even a regular VN but one with at least several different scenarios and endings and I just don't have that type of commitment anymore.
Which brings me to say another fujo venting point, that zoomers nowadays are so easy to jump from ship to ship….maybe it's the ADHD in people but I'm the type that will still stick to a dying ship even when it was never even popular for years. There always has to at least be someone into (old thing) at some point, I occasionally see DRRR fanartists come around, the dedicated tiger and bunny fans, there are even still L/Kira shippers to this day

>>10289
>maybe it's the ADHD in people
The VN is over 120 hours long it's not an ADHD friendly game.

>>10289
I don't know if it's ADHD exactly but it's clear to me that fujos yearn for community, so when a new "big ship" comes along, they feel incentivized to join to get in on the hype.

Even though there are still dedicated fans for old things, I imagine they are pretty isolated and alone, community-wise. Creation or discussion just feels like yelling out into the ether with no response back (or you're stuck with the same one or two fans in that circle lol).

>>10289
>maybe it's the ADHD in people but I'm the type that will still stick to a dying ship even when it was never even popular for years. There always has to at least be someone into (old thing) at some point, I occasionally see DRRR fanartists come around, the dedicated tiger and bunny fans, there are even still L/Kira shippers to this day
This is why I say they'll probably cycle back around, I'm speaking from personal bias but I usually have phases where I get back into a ship and need to catch back up on a fandom and read all the Death Notes stories I've missed over the last year or so. In that way it's never really jumping ship but putting something on the back burner. I still catch back up with stuff like Pamdora Hearts even though the fandom is dead-dead and re-read old favorites.

Also Hundred Line is massive, I'm still not done with it or even at the point where I can interact with the fandom without spoilers, I get the frustration with your friends being into something with no end in sight. Though it is a good game and I don't think it's fickle to want to play something while it's new and you haven't been spoiled.

>>10282
God they really are, I can't believe the character designs are somehow even uglier than the ones in Danganronpa. I hate that blue haired bitch the most