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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.10787
>>10785>>10786This is all making me want some good subversion of these tropes, but unfortunately those tend to be written by people with a gripe and thus are instantly less interesting because they lack real passion. No sovl.
No.10789
>>10785My body physically rejects GL no matter how prudish or plot driven it is but yea, a good dynamic can save a pairing pretty easily.
No.10790
>>10782>I don't feel like I have seen a lot of ukes giving BJsI think ukes and semes give each other blowjobs in an equal amount. it’s fairly neutral
No.10795
Do any of you ever get upset when a big artist starts drawing for your NOTP? I can't help but get irrationally annoyed seeing fanart for my NOTP blow up, even though I know it mostly has to do with the algorithm and follower count. How do you combat this feeling? I mainly hate my NOTP because the fans are annoying as fuck and often make posts attacking my OTP unprompted, and because they always mischaracterize the character I like.
No.10796
I can't decide if I should participate in this ship event or not. Nonnas… would you still create for an event despite having an anxious feeling that others involved dislike you?
No.10797
>>10795Upset is a strong word but yeah I get a little butthurt. A popular and prolific enough artist can absolutely terraform a fandom for better or worse depending on what you ship. The only way to combat this is to use it as motivation to hone your own craft so you can be the one doing it.
No.10801
>>10796I would be anxious even if I thought they liked me lol.
What is it? A zine or one of those "weeks?" If it your ships week go for it. Those are low commitment and you can pick and choose what to do.
No.10802
>>10796Unless whoever is hosting it has a personal problem with you specifically or the ship involved has a lot of antis that will point you out if you're a 'proshipper' or there's an arbitrary rule like that I don't see why not.
No.10803
>>10794>no I am a lesbian> lNo! I am a lesbian!>No I am!Keeek why being a lesbian now it's some sort of proof of being le hecking baserino woman???
It's so stupid especially when 90% of those women who call yaoi too male centered are thirsting for some eceleb men on a daily basis.
Ahah yeah no you are all carpet munchers I am sure.
No.10804
>>10794>>10803I've never seen an actual lesbian into yuri, they just had waifus who they were obsessed with and that was it basically.
No.10808
>>10804In my 20 years of being in the BL fandom I've seen so, so many female-partnered fujoshis who only date women and have wives yet barely any lesbias into yuri. The only very few adult lesbian yurifags I've ever met have been into the domestic adult slice of life girls' love josei mangas, NEVER into malegaze gachashit coom that all these "wlw activist" yuripigs are gooning to.
No.10810
>>10802To keep it vague, yes, I believe someone involved with hosting it has an issue with me.
No.10811
>>10804>>10808I've seen a lot of lesbian yurifags, they typically avoid BL so you won't find them hanging around bisexual fujos. It's a selection effect of sorts
No.10817
>>10810I don't think that should stop you tbh everyone who makes a ship event should know that plenty of other people may or may not join regardless if you like them or not
No.10818
>>10811Hopefully they are not troons but even then it's hard to tell since yuri is basically used for woke points now even when it's sexual.
No.10821
>>10820It's funny how different my pet peeves are for popular pairings on ao3 vs pixiv / djs. Usually it involves lame gender or therapy shit in the English side of the fanbase where the villian mopes around. The Japanese side forces the pair into seme/uke roles and also makes the uke cry and mope around.
No.10822
>>10820these days I can't stand any shuake, it's like reading the author's OCs. hate hate hate AUs because it's usually 10x worse. i'd much rather read shiake or rarepair ships if I want to read about akechi in any meaningful capacity. i quite like a nuanced akechi and "villains" in general so i don't mind a bit of woobification but god.
No.10823
>>10820I've had it up to here with the gendie shit in Jayvik. Not to mention the already insufferable deluge of OOC crap; I might as well be reading OC/OC fic at that point. Fuck me I wish I had any control over which ships pierced my kokoro. Just kill me.
No.10824
>>10822I used to really like shuake before royal and a bit mid-royal but what made me fall out of love for it was just the overexposure to it. Like, it's overwhelmingly everywhere and it's not like it's not deserved but when you see something "too much" at least for me, I don't feel like seeking it out as hard.
No.10825
>>10823Apologies for being a gachafag but Phaidei. Hoyo fandom characterizations tend to be pretty bad in general (overly seme/ukeified/tropeified) but this is on another level for me.
>>10820Seconding Jayvik. There are probably 2 fics in the entirety of AO3 that I enjoyed, I gave up on it months ago…
No.10826
>>10820There are almost 60k bkdk fanfics on Ao3 and after hours and hours of browsing I can say with certainty only a fraction of them are worth a damn.
>>10822>hate hate hate AUs because it's usually 10x worse. This is my #1 issue when I have the misfortune of liking a really popular ship. There's gold in that septic tank but because of the capricious nature of the "alternate universe" tag you have to manually examine every fic to make sure you don't miss something good.
No.10827
>>10820It’s not even a popular ship (in its fandom), but I dislike a lot of dabisho (Dabi x Shouto from MHA) fanfiction. There’s too much gendie shit and too much /ex/ stuff. Like don’t get me wrong, I can appreciate some /ex/ from time to time, but the dabisho tag on ao3 is filled with it. And gendie shit is just plain gross.
No.10830
>>10822I like AUs in general, but Shuake has the worst of the worst of it in terms of character writing. Woobie Akechi is a crime against humanity.
Adasou has been one of my main OTPs for years, and it's plagued with gendie shit and bad bdsm in AO3 that I know is going to only get worse. Nuance doesn't exist to zoomer Persona fans.
No.10838
>>10808majority of the "lesbians" who glaze gachashit like hoyoslop while also hating fujos like a full time job are almost all troons which says a lot
No.10839
>>10830lmao i'm ayrt and adashu (well, shuada…) is actually my persona otp of all time. i haven't even looked in their ao3 tag in over a year because of the garbage, so i have no idea what's going on with them anymore.
my friend keeps saying that with the remake we're going to get new fans, great fic, etc., but i'm sus… i think it's only going to get worse from here on out with the current state of fandom.
also, idk if you mean "bad bsdm" as in it's bdsm that's poorly written but takes itself seriously and is trying to bed hot (hate that), but i would read fic where adachi cringely tries to engage in bdsm with souji and fails. that is miles better than reading ooc fluff about them getting married imo. No.10840
>>10839With how crazy Persona fandom is, the real life issues Adachi represents, and with how many antis run fandom now? yeah, you're not getting any amazing fics,least of all for Adashu. The people who make proship edgy dead dove their entire personality aren't much better writers than the fluff people. Good fic used to require nuance from adults who knew how to write and that's pretty much impossible to find now, much less for a remake for an old jrpg that just wouldn't attract those kinds of writers anymore.
No.10841
>>10839I would be happy to read the latter from your spoiler. It always ends up being OOC daddy dom or self-insert protag who is written with no willpower in the bedroom.
>>10840Badfic will always exist and people are free to write what they want (I love a good dead dove here and there), but the switch from writing as a passion to treating it as 'content' really killed off the appeal for many talented authors I know. I sometimes debate getting back in to fandom writing for the sake of my ships, but I think if I did I'd only post it somewhere more private like an LJ or Dreamwidth where the remaining demographic skews older.
No.10843
>>10842There is, but it takes a lot more searching to find things. The quiet is more appealing to me since I prefer it as a method to archive and occasionally share rather than post for a greater audience.
No.10845
>>10841 >the switch from writing as a passion to treating it as 'contentThis mindset is what ruins not just fandom but the whole internet. Everyone’s trying to monetize (or accumulate clout) and it sucks the soul out of everything. I hate this timeline.
No.10847
>>10845Do people really form cults of personality towards fanfic writers? I've never seen it, outside of the infamous shinocchi situation on MXDX. This mostly happens to shitpost accs (people who genuinely do nothing, no fanart no fics, just simply 'funny relatable shitposts) or fanartists but writers maybe I'm not in fandoms that are too popular.
That's why I'm curious how exactly would fanfic be turned "to content" when it's the least profitable thing other than those harry potter girls who sell books
No.10848
>>10847>Do people really form cults of personality towards fanfic writers?yes, this happens in literally any fandom of a medium to large size. it's not always about profit but social clout and interaction–you'll see people sucking up to writers with highest kudos and who are well-received within the community. these are the fics that get recced on rec lists over and over because people keep mentioning them and everyone reads them because it's all they hear about.
No.10849
>>10847>>10848Specifically talking about financial gains, I’ve seen lots of patreon/kofi/commission shilling. I’m glad AO3 doesn’t allow that but social media sites don’t have that rule…
No.10850
>>10849I've witnessed the same person in several of my fandoms making bank by streaming themselves writing 600-800 word fics. They keep saying it's requested by so and such donater on stream and they shit up the tags often enough that it must be successful somehow. I don't get it.
No.10852
>>10822This is crazy to me since from what I see people still think Akechi is Satan and anything where he isn't evil is considered woobification, and I see nothing but edgy Shuake content if I see it at all. Atlus ignoring Royal and Akechi for years on end when they didn't mind pimping out Adachi and milking his popularity after 4 doesn't help.
>>10845Anime especially has always suffered with badfic, it's always been more attractive to teenagers who lack experience because most anime and jrpgs star teenagers so of course more teenagers are going to be writing for them. I can agree fic becomes more streamlined though. People only want to write for the most popular shit now, so that means Arcane, Hoyoverse, maybe Deltarune? Fandom treats AO3 fic like the kpop charts where it's about numbers more than passion. Fandom going mainstream was a mistake. I think most of the better writers who want to get a book deal out of it just won't write for anime fandoms anymore, but I have no interest in whatever live action big fandoms they go to now. I think it's a firefighter show that's the big thing? All the guys looked bland as hell.
No.10854
>>10825>I gave up on it months ago…I wish I could be like you, alas my personality means I'm in it for the long haul regardless of how good or shit or big or small the fandom is.
>There are probably 2 fics in the entirety of AO3 that I enjoyedFeel free to throw the names out if you can remember, you'd think out of now 19k fics I'd have read more than 100 good ones, but I don't think so. Absolutely insane the yaoi ship has more fics tagged with pregnancy than the canon lesbian ship. This timeline is something else…
>>10847>Do people really form cults of personality towards fanfic writers?Yes, as anon said it does happen in fandoms over a certain size. And yes it's as annoying as it sounds. I rarely see fic authors not pimping out their social media anymore.
It happened to me in an older mid-sized fandom. Once I accrued over 1k followers and my fic was front page kudos-wise, I realized how annoying I must seem to normal fandom-goers, and quit the public eye forever. No.10855
>>10852I'd disagree there … Akechi has a lot of merchandise and is still included in collabs, while finding anything Adachi means you're looking at $200+ for one of 5 existing keychains. They're definitely aware Akechi is a popular character, to the point they made sure to keep him in limbo for the 'what if' in a potential spin-off or sequel.
RE: Your last comment, there's a TON of very talented writers in the 9-1-1 fandom that almost make me want to care about a western procedural drama.
No.10856
Any good examples of M/M fics or authors with a cult of personality around them? The only examples I can think of fanworks with fandoms are the F/M that eventually gets published like 50 Shades or City of bones.
>>10855Crossing my fingers for more merch when the remake comes out. His only fig right now is low quality too, I just need one good one…
No.10857
I really can't stand fujos who act like it's a matter of life and death for their seme to bottom, and yet turn around and enjoy hetbend content of their ship (or, worse in some cases where they also like a hetship/like the idea of their seme having had ex-gfs etc). Then they'll have the audacity to say that they simply enjoy putting their ship in different situations/AUs, and what this actually means is that they're fine with the uke becoming a girl (as if this wouldn't massively affect their dynamic), but won't allow their ship to simply switch positions in bed.
I can only see them as yumes pretending to be fujos, as they seem to be happy as long as their seme is the one putting his dick in a hole. If you're actually a fujo with strict and fixed preferences in regards to positions, I expect the same energy for keeping your ship gay. If must see your ship as girls, genderbend both of them.
No.10858
>>10856There was someone in the
Genshin fandom circa 2020-2021? Called tzitzimeme, they had a popular fic called meng po but that's now deleted which was just them venting personal issues on to the fic and using the popular character of the time (Zhong li) as a personal punching bag. Some of their other stuff still remains though.
That person has disappeared by now because they decided to ruin their reputation online forever by admitting to commiting CC fraud over scamming people on gacha reroll accs
No.10859
>>10850You could not pay me to stream my writing process, especially if it was porn. I guess some people have no sense of self consciousness.
No.10861
>>10849I don't understand why people are so icked about fanfic writers making money while being okay with fanartists making profit over someone else's IP. Maybe it's because I'm also a writer, but I don't see the issue with it.
No.10862
>>10861Historically fanfic invites way more litigation. A lot of people old enough to remember that kind of turbulence are extra vigilant about keeping fic comms off of Ao3.
For me it's less that I am icked and more that I don't think fic writers can hit the target as well as fanartists (and I say this as a fic writer). I follow a few writers who take comms on the DL and the difference between IPs they are into and IPs they aren't is night and day. A great artist who is not into A/B can draw A/B fuckin' for money and it will turn out pretty good. A great writer who is not into A/B can write A/B fuckin' for money and while it is objectively well-written it's usually the kind of nsfw where you could find and replace character names. The problem is that they often lack the scaffolding of world/character familiarity in their prose that makes a good fanfic good, you know?
>>10852>I think most of the better writers who want to get a book deal out of it just won't write for anime fandoms anymore, but I have no interest in whatever live action big fandoms they go to now. I believe this based on my own vibes but do you have any speculation I could read about this transition? It really does seem like all of the older women who I count on to write the good fics just aren't in weeb fandoms in the numbers they used to be anymore. MHA was the last hurrah I guess.
No.10863
>>10861I’m talking about fan artists too, and it’s not just about making money. It’s about grifting and clout-chasing. Posting engagement bait to get their numbers up. Begging for views and follows because their paycheck depends on it. “Don’t let this flop,” complaining about the algorithm, etc. It was annoying when they were just chasing asspats and positive comments, now it’s even worse when they’re asking for money.
No.11590
>>8873>ugly man psyop.Wtf that even means