No.5838
So this has been confirmed by all my Chinese mutuals, who have told me how hopeless things have become there and it's only getting worse. In 2014 obscenity laws were passed in China that mainly targeted mainstream porn sites, but gay content was also included and targeted, forcing Chinese BL authors to use more 'flowery language' if they were writing something intended for an 'audience' in public, but on foreign sites (Western but mostly Taiwanese) they could be more free, still it was gradually building up to this, starting from 2022(according to my mutuals) the underground sites were removed en-masse, now the Chinese government even forces foreign companies to meet their standards. If you are a Chinese citizen who even writes anything about gay romance, you will go to jail for it
Here's the article for more information
https://www.whatsonweibo.com/the-price-of-writing-smut-inside-chinas-crackdown-on-erotic-fiction/ No.5839
because Xinnie the pooh needs population growth
No.5841
Being a Chinese fujo sounds like hell on earth.
No.5844
Unfortunately there isn't much they can do, I used to live in an authoritarian shithole and when the government got serious about dealing with any kind of anti-state groups, they basically censored the entire internet, at best you could get a VPN for YouTube, but that's about it and most governments have the power to do this if they wanted to
No.5845
>>5839I truly don't believe China has 1.1 billion people. I actually believe in the "China actually has 500 million" conspiracy. That's why he's in full panic mode, plus all the dead unborn/infant girls the Chinese stupidly had killed.
No.5846
>>5845They deserve every problem that befalls them for what they did to all those girls. My only wish is for innocent Chinese women and girls to find a way out.
No.5890
China is a country of institutional misogyny, so of course women can't be allowed their own cultural sphere or 'wasteful interests'. Then a surprise Pikachu face when the cattle reject participating in the society! Serves the old male fucks at the Politburo right.
>One afternoon in the spring of 1997, as my seven-year-old classmate and I played in a tiny park in our Shanghai neighbourhood, she shared a secret: “I’m allowed to have a little brother or sister.” My jaw dropped. No one my age had a sibling except a pair of twins at school. People used the words “sister” and “brother” to mean cousin. Having siblings was an outlandish, outdated, even shameful concept, something older generations had done before the one-child policy was introduced in 1980.>My parents carefully stored our One Child Honorary Certificate, with golden characters on a sleek red booklet, in a bottom drawer, right by my birth certificate. They were good citizens who, by definition, had only one child.https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/nov/27/a-moment-that-changed-me-at-seven-i-saw-the-truth-of-chinas-one-child-policy-and-felt-my-parents-pain No.5892
>>5841Best option would probably be fleeing to Taiwan, many Chinese artists have already done that
No.5893
>The post came from a user named “Rain Painted on a Sunny Day” (@晴天画的雨), the younger sister of the Haitang author known as “Yunjian” (云间, “Between the Clouds”). On October 16, she revealed that Yunjian had been detained since June 20 and is only allowed visits from her lawyer. The arrest notice she shared cites the charge: “suspected of producing and disseminating pornographic materials for profit” (“传播淫秽物品牟利罪”).
>Recent cases indicate similar outcomes: on October 17, a Weibo account called @HuaiBeiLiXinWrongfulCase (@淮北李鑫冤案) posted a plea, revealing that author Li Xin (李鑫), who co-wrote the historical fantasy Six Dynasties with Luo Sen (罗森), was detained on the same charge after earning 300,000 yuan ($42,118) in royalties, which led to a ten-year prison sentence. As a similarly prominent author, Yunjian may face even harsher penalties and potentially an even longer prison term.
what the fuck, this is so fucking terrifying to me
No.5895
>>5892>many Chinese artists have already done thatThat's legally not possible though. You can move to Taiwan if you're a HK resident, but if you are a Chinese citizen, you're screwed.
No.5906
>>5844this just makes me worry about my mutuals with in third world countries, because yeah if an authoritarian government takes over they would obviously remove the fun parts of the internet in the name of morality, while also committing an irl genocide
No.5907
>>5892>>5895>>5906Do chinese enjoy living through these 543534 rules?
No.5915
>>5907not like they can complain
No.5929
>>5906America can do this too, just watch.
No.5935
>>5929I'm afraid of that too. If there is a ban on porn and erotica, we are screwed. Again, there's not much we can do if a government wants to ban it. If that happens, the only option is to self-publish IRL with zines
No.5936
>>5929>>5935They won't don't upset yourself over something that isn'tgoing to happen, America's whole thing is freedom of speech which is why literally every website no matter where they are actually from is hosted there. The ammount of time and legislation required to get something passed would be a huge undertaking and it would die in office. What you actually need to be worried about is the fact that credit card providers like VISA have websites by the balls and don't want to provide support yo people selling 18+ products.
No.5937
>>5929I said this since facebook blew up but I say it even louder now, we need some sort of parallel internet for nerds that the corps won't give a shit about. I know it wouldn't work but still. The old internet was great because it was too niche for corps, politicians and male and female karens to give a shit.
There is a reason for why many use discords and anon boards, because they're less regulated I want some sort of darknet but for hobby shit and interests instead of crime only.
>>5935That would legit doom everybody who isn't Japanese or US American. Fandoms aren't big enough in other countries, I legit never encountered another German in ANY of the fandoms I ever frequented and I am active since 2007. I legit wouldn't wonder if there wasn't a single other fan in my whole state even for the bigger fandoms I am part of.
No.5938
>>5936have you forgotten what's happened?
No.5941
>>5938Are you talking about RvW? That's an example of something that was bouncing around Congress and had a clear party opposition for years. It's also a much more divisive issue than porn, which neither party has a strong concentrated opposition to, despite people on both sides disliking it. RvW was also just an overturning of a previous ruling as opposed to a new law on the books. Doomerism is lame, and I'm sorry, but getting upset about something that presently is not happening and has no signs of happening is pointless, and there are better uses of your time. Again, the closest thing is credit card providers and some laws that want to force websites to require sign-ins if they host 18+ content, but none of those are widespread bans like China.
China has banned pornography since the 80s, and this is something that is already on the books and which is just now being enforced. It sucks, and I think it has a lot of collateral damage, but it's also a completely different political landscape from the rest of the world.
This is edging dangerously close to politics which I don't want to talk about, but for the foreseeable future just know that for now gay Chinese men are safe on most of the internet.
No.5949
>>5941NTA, yeah, i'd add that the pros of banning porn vastly outweight the cons of banning written/2D smut in its stride, as annoying as it may be. Let's hope they make a distinction between porn and BL, but i'm not hopeful.
No.5954
>>5949I was referring to project 2025, which specifically lists banning pornography as one of its core tenets, but with a special focus on anything remotely same-sex related, We've already seen a few states pass laws requiring video sites to adopt age verification, prompting pornhub and others to block users in those states rather than comply and If lawmakers include erotica and drawn works, we'd see similar restrictions, the best case scenario for us in this just results in requiring proof of adulthood, which would basically force you to give your actual information to prove your an adult if you want to read anything, worst case is a total ban, making it outright illegal to host and share anything considered "deviant"
No.5955
>>5954I don't want to huff copium but I don't think our government is competent enough to do something like ban pornography all together or even require age verification nationwide. At least I hope not. Wouldn't this go against the First Amendment anyways?
No.5958
>>5955NTA but no way will they ever extend the ban to actual porn, they'll just target any content with same sex relations (romantic or sexual) and ban it under these new obscenity laws. Just like China.
No.5961
>>5955sis, if my former third world country(mayanmar) was able to basically ban two-thirds of the whole internet when it was going through a civil war, I think the US is more than competent enough to do something like banning pornography
No.5962
>>5961Likely not since state governments are way too independent to get federal control on; something that goes against freedom of speech would be incredibly difficult to mandate (Tiktok was supposed to be banned countrywide but loss the 34 out of 50 vote for it)
No.5963
>>5936>America says freedom of speech so it will never happenThe people in power have always been freedom of speech for some, not all. Even other Western countries ban 2d porn and consider loli/shota equivalent to CP. It would be hard to affect nationwide but I could see some states having laws like that. Some states already require an ID to watch porn.
No.5965
>>5963You actually don't need any kinds of laws to effectively ban porn. The credit card companies can do it with zero government input.
No.5972
>>5954Why do they even bother? Even dumb phoneposters know how to use a VPN.
>>5965>with zero government input…that can be easily traced. They don't do this out of their own sense of morality.
No.5988
>>5958>NTA but no way will they ever extend the ban to actual porn, they'll just target any content with same sex relations (romantic or sexual) and ban it under these new obscenity laws. Just like China.That's why I don't get those homophobic fujos tbh.
No.6007
>>5954Honestly I want to believe that nothing will happen but if the last four year shave showed me one thing it's that nothing is too fucking terrible to not happen out of nowhere out of the blue and that there is absolutely nothing any normal person can do about it. Most dictatorships and fascist countries were open and a million times better at some point before some nutcases got to power and got backed by other nutcases from other countries.
The advantage of 2D shit is that it's very niche and rarely on the radar of despots. I am sure if my country would ban porn they would never even think of 2D gay because they aren't even aware if its existence, they barely even know what a fandom is (and most older people have never heard that word).
But for the US I am not sure. The anime community is massive there and actually mainstream. I don't think it will happen (for now) but I said this for a lot of things that happened in the last years before they actually happened, so I lost my faith.
No.6083
from LC
>Hong Kong Cinema's Self-Censorship Era: Veteran Director Johnnie To Breaks Silence in Landmark Interview
>In a powerful and revealing interview with BBC News Cantonese, Johnnie To (杜琪峯), one of Hong Kong's most celebrated filmmakers and a director who has earned international acclaim including recognition at Cannes, Venice, and Berlin film festivals, has offered an unprecedented glimpse into Hong Kong's changing cultural landscape and the realities of filmmaking under increasing constraints.
>The veteran filmmaker, whose illustrious career spans over four decades and includes critical successes like "Election," "Breaking News," and "Drug War," finds himself at what he describes as "the lowest point in my life" ("最近都是我人生最低潮的時候"). Having built a reputation for exploring themes of friendship, fate, and Hong Kong's evolving society, Johnnie To now faces profound creative challenges.
>He spoke candidly about the loss of artistic freedom: "I feel there's no soul now, including both myself and Hong Kong" ("我覺得現在沒有靈魂，包括我和香港都沒有了"). This crisis, he emphasized, stems from the erosion of "human rights and freedom" ("人權和自由").
>When asked about topics filmmakers must avoid, Johnnie To responded with characteristic sharp insight: "You know what? It's strange that you're asking me this," ("你知道的，你問我很奇怪") he remarked, before laying bare the reality of self-censorship: "Why needlessly create confrontation? If you don't want to touch that red line, if you don't want to raise suspicions… then don't say too much about Hong Kong affairs" ("無謂直接去衝撞，你不想碰到那條紅線，或者你不想有些被懷疑的話，你就不要說那麼多，關於香港的事").
>His advice was particularly telling: "Don't talk too much regarding Hong Kong's current political situation - just make more romance films, family dramas instead" ("你就不要說太多，關於香港現在政治上的事，你就多說些愛情，說些親情").
>Johnnie To offered pointed criticism of current governance approaches: "A government with confidence wouldn't do this. They have no confidence in the people, no confidence in society" ("有信心的政府會這樣嗎？對人沒有信心，對人民沒有信心，對社會沒有信心"). He dismissed official displays of prosperity as superficial, stating "Setting off fireworks pretending Hong Kong is prosperous - who are you trying to fool? Even grandma won't be fooled" ("放下煙花當香港很繁榮，你騙誰啊，婆婆都騙不了").
>Johnnie To reflected on Hong Kong's transition: "In the 80s we talked about it, in the 90s we knew return to China was inevitable. What determined our future way of life? The Basic Law. I believed in the Basic Law," after a pause, he added with notable emphasis, "I still believe in the original one" ("我覺得，我相信基本法，現在還相信，原來那個").
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No.6084
>>6083>Despite opportunities to work overseas, the renowned director maintains an unwavering commitment to Hong Kong cinema: "I stick to filming in Hong Kong - how can I go elsewhere when I can't even fully grasp my own culture?" ("我連香港自己成長的地方的文化，我都捉得不夠準，我怎會去別的地方學別人的東西"). This dedication comes at a personal cost, as he reveals: "I keep writing and throwing away scripts - I don't even know how many I've discarded" ("變成想完一次又扔掉，想完一次又扔掉，都不知道扔了多少東西").
>The founder of independent production house Milkyway Image (銀河映像) in 1996 described his current creative paralysis: "I used to be very confident about my film concepts, but in recent years I've had many doubts" ("我以前對構思上，對電影的信心很強，這幾年會覺得有很多懷疑"). He distinguished his current struggles from past challenges, noting "My crisis isn't about money - I haven't lost my ideals due to poverty before, but now I've lost them" ("以前沒有錢，不是代表沒有了我的理想，現在是沒有了").
>Johnnie To, who has served on juries at all three major international film festivals - Cannes, Venice, and Berlin, used a striking metaphor to describe the industry's current state: "How can you fight against an elephant's foot when you're just an ant? If it steps on you, you're dead" ("你怎樣能夠頂得住一隻大象的腳，你只有一隻矮的時候，踩中必死").
>The interview comes at a critical juncture for Hong Kong cinema, as the industry grapples with new film censorship regulations and changing political dynamics. As a filmmaker known for his ability to work across genres and his distinctive style mixing realism with highly stylized elements, Johnnie To's current creative paralysis speaks to broader issues facing Hong Kong's cultural sector. "In terms of industry and art, this is not a good era" ("在工業上也好，藝術上也好，各方面都不是一個好的時代"), he observed.
>While the struggles he describes are well-known within Hong Kong's film industry, Johnnie To's willingness to speak openly about these challenges makes him one of the most prominent figures to publicly address the creative constraints facing Hong Kong filmmakers today. His candid revelations carry particular weight given his stature in both local and international cinema.Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvqZc7S9D24https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/1ghxznh/hong_kong_cinemas_selfcensorship_era_veteran/2/2
No.6168
>>6084Hong Kong cinema used to be the best in Asia, but commies must ruin everything they touch. Fuck that death cult.
No.6175
>>6174Implementation of communism always leaves piles of bodies behind.
No.6267
>>6175but why do wokies support it?
No.6269
I wonder if this means there will be less Chinese fanworks on Ao3, it is by far the "foreign language" I see most on there.
>>6267>>6175Can we keep the discussion focused on the actual fan impact not the general politics?
No.6270
>>6269>Can we keep the discussion focused on the actual fan impact not the general politics?This entire topic is political, so I don't know how you even could. China cracking down on fujo stems directly from their communism, not 'traditional Han values' as historically nobody cared if men had homo sex as long as they fulfilled their duty of fathering children.
https://thechinaproject.com/2023/10/05/how-censorship-changed-the-landscape-of-chinas-queer-audio-dramas/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/13678779231159424
>I wonder if this means there will be less Chinese fanworks on Ao3, it is by far the "foreign language" I see most on there.There will be more, because the fujo mind cannot be cured. Not even crackdowns on VPNs will prevent fujo.
https://uschinatoday.org/features/2020/08/31/negotiating-queer-fantasy-and-the-normative-boys-love-stories-fandom-in-china/ No.6271
BTW, Fujochan is not blocked in China (tested with
https://www.chinafirewalltest.com), so you can invite any Chinese fujo to make threads and post here in Chinese (posting in foreign languages is not against the rules).
No.6272
>>6270>China cracking down on fujo stems directly from their communism, not 'traditional Han valuesThis, Taiwan has way more traditional Han culture then modern-day China and they have a thriving gay scene and BL airs on mainstream television. The problem with China is that its leaders are ideologically driven and because it is an authoritarian country they can implement those ideas
>https://uschinatoday.org/features/2020/08/31/negotiating-queer-fantasy-and-the-normative-boys-love-stories-fandom-in-china/this article is from 2020, long before China actually started seriously banning bl and erotica, i'm really sad to say, but it's actually over for them, no one wants to risk a fine or jail time