/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>9828
VNs are dying out in the West because a lot of people in fandom now can't read. They literally can't read. They need cutscenes so they can post about "aura" and they only get their opinions about stories from streamers and tiktok. I'm not even exaggerating, many even admit they don't read and hate games that require reading.

>>9832
VN are dying everywhere, it's very well know there is a massive crisis in JP due to gacha eating most of the market.

VN was never a good medium, broo I love reading novels but it has to be in bits where I have to click past the character changing expressions for 45 minutes, Norman Rockwell Freedom of Speech.

>>9869
>VN was never a good medium
0/10 opinion

>>9869
Ignoring the hot take, I will admit it kinda annoys me that I have to click to get to the next line. Like I wish there was more text to read before having to click.

>>9871
You should look for NVLs, they're also allowed to be more creative with the layout of the text.

>>9869
What a retarded opinion, do you also complain about having to pass pages in comics/manga?

>>9873
Manga is much more stimulating than a bust making faces and crossing and uncrossing arms, better art styles too.

>>9875
for me it's the opposite, comic books or manga are not nearly as stimulating because everything is shown to me throu drawings, a vn or a book stimulates my imagination, even with the vn sprite you can still somewhat imagine the details.

>>9872
>only 93 nvl style vns with boy x boy
>only 23 in english
>some of those are furry and most are short, all are oevns
This is a depressing selection

>>9828
>>9876
I never considered before why I like VNs that much. I guess compared to manga and novels I just really appreciate voice acting and music to set the tone of a story.

>>9871
Your auto mode?

>>9893
No matter the speed I set it at, it will always be either too fast or too slow.

Picrel was the cutest BnHA boy design-wise

>>10038
I didn't keep up with BHA, seemed like a whole lot of wasted potential that forgot to do the academia part of its title, but I do fondly remember spending a few days inventing stories about this guy. When you think about the sensitivity of bare skin, his tail was kinda shameless and in a constant position to make physical contact with people.

List I made of my most hated semes
Feel free to get mad if you want to.

>>10159
I can't agree with the first two but everyone else I get why. A list with ukes you hate would be interesting too.
Random but in case you've read Jinx, what do you think about Jaekyung?

>>10159
I'd love to read your explanations for these. I haven't read bottom right, and I'm curious.

>>10159
I get it for bottom left. I didn't really like NTY on the whole

>>10159
I like top right, though maybe as a seme isnt the right way to call it. I'm hoping Harada goes through with the switch idea that got mentioned in an anniversary comic

>>10162
If I can think of enough ukes I hate I’ll make one
I haven’t read jinx (not really a manwha fan honestly) but I think the amount of rage he brings is fairly entertaining, apparently he’s just a huge piece of shit all around though kek
>>10163
>Yuki
Kind of my OG hated seme, I just don’t like the stoic type and the will they won’t they was super annoying to me (granted I also hated his uke in this case)
>Iason
King of all stoics, and I liked Guy better. The cigarette scene is very iconic and goes hard though I can’t deny that.
>Asaichi
Him punching his groupie was a big “fuck you dude” moment, he was already annoying me but that was when I was like “yeah this guy can get raped to death and I won’t give a shit”
>Kaoru
Retarded and not in a moe way, in a legit special needs way and I’m not into it (also his route’s twist was kinda stupid and forced)
>Nano
Ah yes, homeless people eating tree bark is soooo sexy! Seriously did anyone like this guy?
>Tetsuo
He’s a boring stoic seme amongst two fun semes but he’s the only one who gets an actual route?! What were they thinking?
>Haru
I just found him incredibly annoying (my best friend loves him so I feel bad kek)
>Takara
His route was literal 12 year old’s creepypasta tier and he’s fucking repulsive to look at, his eyes are so creepy
>painter of the night guy
He’s just Sangwoo but with zero memeability and a stupid hat

>>10166
>If I can think of enough ukes I hate I’ll make one
Bless you! Even just a 3~6 uke list would suffice.
>I haven’t read jinx (not really a manwha fan honestly)
Makes sense. I asked since I saw the PotN seme and wondered why Jaekyung wasn't here kek
>I think the amount of rage he brings is fairly entertaining, apparently he’s just a huge piece of shit all around though kek
He's super funny if you look at Jinx like a slapstick comedy cartoon and don't take him seriously… which a lot of people don't do kek
I can only recommend it for his hilarious and retarded reactions.

>>10167
>Even just a 3~6 uke list would suffice.
I tried my best kek, I wouldn’t say I hate most of these ukes as much as the semes (I guess ukes are just more loveable haha!)
> Jaekyung wasn't here kek
Looking at him is legit scary, I feel like he could go full hulk smash and pop my head off without cracking a muscle
>He's super funny if you look at Jinx like a slapstick comedy cartoon and don't take him seriously
One of my favorite semes is Matsuda from paradise who’s basically king of domestic abusers and is so childishly violent his route becomes absolutely hilarious so I’d probably get a kick out of him, I might have to read it now just for comedic value.

>>10166
I'm the second AYRT and thank you! I only like one of those characters (it's Haru), and I can acknowledge why people would hate him. I strongly agree about Tetsuo (Makoto was my favorite), and it sucks because I love sweet pool otherwise.
>Takara
I haven't played Paradise yet, but his design has put me off playing. There's something off about his face. Like there's not enough detail or something.
>painter of the night guy
I've seen so many people recommend it as psychological, but I have a hard time getting into manhwa, and I didn't know if there was something uniquely awful about this particular one.

>>10166
>Him punching his groupie was a big “fuck you dude” moment, he was already annoying me but that was when I was like “yeah this guy can get raped to death and I won’t give a shit”
I wonder if I have weird taste, I actually liked that. The guy was so closeted that he went overboard emotionally, lashed out uncontrollably and hurt others, and then got punished by rape. Only wish it would have focused in on his distress afterwards more. There's not much in that sort of direction, probably because it's definitely unpopular lol.

>>10169
Now for the reasonings:
>Shuichi
He’s just so annoying to me, he’s basically the uke equivalent of those girls who are like “YOU CAN GIVE ME AN ONION RING AS A WEDDING RING” with his forced quirkiness and how much of a doormat he is.
>Maki
I already don’t like bara stuff so he’s a hard sell for me but if you wanted to have sex with a literal dead fish (even during rape) then Maki is the uke for you, seriously though even stoic semes don’t have shit on him with how dull he is.
>Hiroki
First in the issue of “side couple syndrome” the tsundere thing is pretty hard to pull off when you’re in your thirties but double that with being shitty compared to the main couple and his seme basically being the nicest possible guy makes him a pain to watch.
>Yuri
Drooling retard, I want to kill him.
>Atsumu
I liked the main couple in the manga so going from them to this “UWU I’M SO SHYYY” type was so annoying, he’s not even cute to me so he just comes off as an annoying ass bitch constantly needing his boyfriend to help him wipe his ass
>Hye-Sung
The will they won’t they shit annoyed me, I have no idea why I read almost to the end of this manhwa
>Loneal
This one pains me because I think he’s really really cute, but holy shit if there was an award for weepy ukes he would win it! Every. Single. Chapter. He. Cries. Every single one! And I got caught up with the manga fully! (idk why) I do genuinely think he’s very cute but holy shit he must have major dehydration with how much he cries (even after the isekai princess gets a boyfriend he’s still crying about how he needs to cuck himself and get her together with his bf)
>Seiji
Idk if I fully hate him but he’s pretty forgettable and that scene of him shitting was gross enough to get him a spot
>Hiroshi
This VN just sucks in general (I have no idea why they picked it to translate), the only thing worth noting about him is that he’s pretty memeable with him randomly going from typical uke to sadist in one end (with some weird ass cow licking scene) and getting cola shoved up his asshole.

>>10170
I looove Makoto! I was so sad when I found out he only got one route and it wasn’t even a full one :(
>There's something off about his face.
They tried to give him uguu eyes but the artist couldn’t draw them at all so he ends up looking like some creepy ass snake
>>10171
I can see the appeal of it (and a lot of the other Harada semes honestly do a lot worse kek) but for me I guess what annoyed me is how it basically gets brushed off (by the groupie herself at least), doesn’t help that I just don’t really like seeing women get punched.

>>10172
>if you wanted to have sex with a literal dead fish (even during rape) then Maki is the uke for you
That ticked me off so much. Physically I liked him (and the old guy) a lot but jesus his sex scenes were just a waste of time. Borderline asexual shit. I think he only got a little livelier in the final one right at the end. Do Japanese fujos have a fetish for nonresponsive guys or what? Surely there's gotta be better ways to write stoic characters

>>10166
>Ah yes, homeless people eating tree bark is soooo sexy! Seriously did anyone like this guy?
My favorite thing about Nano is how nobody gives a fuck about him so I can pretend he doesn't exist.

>>10176
>Do Japanese fujos have a fetish for nonresponsive guys or what?
Maybe it’s a bigger thing in bara

>>10179
I read bara too, at least manga, can't say for vns, but even then the raped guys are visibly affected, unless they're outright knocked out or drugged

>>10176
>>10180
I recall most of the guys being pretty unresponsive aside from Hiroyuki. From what I understand, Parade is a sister brand of Clockup. I'm not invested enough to do deep research into the staff but at first glance I would wonder if the writing staff they had for Parade just didn't 'get' BL at first because Clockup makes straight VNs. Though then again Nitro+Chiral is also a sister brand and the sex scenes in Togainu weren't like that.

>>10172
>he’s basically the uke equivalent of those girls who are like “YOU CAN GIVE ME AN ONION RING AS A WEDDING RING”
Kek.
>if you wanted to have sex with a literal dead fish (even during rape) then Maki is the uke for you
Even though I liked the VN, I did not like Maki's route for this reason. I found him pretty boring, but I've never liked stoic characters very much. I know his stoicism is the point, but it's just not a character type I enjoy.

>>10181
I think the intention with NTY was to make a VN that bridges the gap between bara and BL to appeal to both audiences, so they took tropes from both without understanding what made them appealing in each of their respective genres and awkwardly smashed them together
>BLge generally has more of a focus on plot while barage focuses more on sex so there's way too many sex scenes in the game with hastily added in plot at the end of the routes
>They tried to put tsundere characteristics onto most of the characters but those don't work as well when the character themself isn't cute so it ends with them being a dead fish
>bisexual protagonist in the sense that he's constantly talking about how much he loves fucking tits and dick instead of in the more subdued way that BL protagonists act.
They kind of had the better idea with room no 9 (making it a gay version of euphoria) since that does have a niche audience it could appeal to.

I don't understand the appeal of genderbends. I don't mean like, "hey, it would be cool to see what this character would look like as the opposite sex. I'm going to draw it, and that will be the end of it." I'm talking about things like taking characters from a BL series, turning one of them female, and making a ship het. This isn't an unpopular opinion on this site (or in most fujo communities), but I think this next part might be: I also don't understand when people take two female characters or a male and female character, and then make them both male. I just don't understand the appeal. I don't mind when people do it, and I don't mean any hate toward anyone who does enjoy this, but it is something I can't appreciate because changing their sexes will fundamentally affect how those characters interact with the world, thereby making the characters different people from who they otherwise would've been. Thus, they're no longer the same people as the characters I came to like. For example, in a generic medieval setting, if you change the princess to a prince, he will have different expectations from his family, he will not face the same type of sexism his female counterpart would face, and his relationship with the knight will now be forbidden by his family because they cannot produce an heir. Even if you keep his personality the same, he's now a completely different character. At that point, why not make them OCs?

>>10185
Same, it just fundamentally changes who the character is in a way thst is unappealing in fic. While genderbend art is cool I have zero interests in doujins of it.

>>10185
>For example, in a generic medieval setting, if you change the princess to a prince, he will have different expectations from his family, he will not face the same type of sexism his female counterpart would face, and his relationship with the knight will now be forbidden by his family because they cannot produce an heir.
I think this kind of thing can be interesting under a competent writer/artist, specially if the character is still (assumedly) acting in-character despite the sex change.
I can like yuribends but not so much hetbends, but what I tend to hate about hetbends is when it's too "obviously" meant to be some sort of self-insert replacement or often made for just coomerbait purposes. Yuribends can work really if you only wonder "I want to see my otp as cute girls" but you need to be attuned to like girls in general,
and most of the time people don't bother to think far beyond "I want them to look like girls".

>>10185
Yeah people acting as if changing the gender won't affect the dynamics or how the character is perceived in a fundamental way are playing obtuse. The same goes for the "if he was a female character then you would all hate her" accusations. Whether we like it or not we have certain expectations and core ideals for how a representative of a gender would behave and how others would interpret their actions as, and I don't mean shit like "girls only like pink stuff and makeup and boys like cars and blue stuff" but rather stuff like "I would be fine with this male character being abusive to another male character because men are on equal footing and don't experience gendered violence, but in a heterosexual setting it would be absolutely fucked up" or "I fucking hate this trope that's overused in female characters in a derogatory way but it's subversive to see it applied to a male character". Everyone knows it but they pretend not to be aware just to frame fujos as having "double standards".

>>10185
I think genderbends are fine within reason. Like, it's not hurting anyone nor do I give a shit. It only starts becoming a problem when people wokeify the concept or turns it into headcanon.

>>10221
I like genderbends, both male and female, as a fun thing. Especially in fanart if the artist gives them a cute or creative design. They should always be tagged though, and I wouldn't read a fic or dj of a couple genderbent into het.

>>10222
See I'm with the other nonna that while this art is cute I still wouldn't go out of my way to read MaleReimu/MaleYukari. It's just not the same characters and too big of a deviation from canon for me. I'd rather read Rinnosuke/OMC if I really needed 2hu yaoi.
Cute speculative designs aren't enough to sway me evennif they're fun.

i made a post here around a year ago complaining about the bottom geto side of the fandom when it comes to the satosugu ship.
well, i'm back to set things straight and clean up their name.

it's not the bottom geto part that is the problem. sure, there's annoying and ~toxic~ people in there too, but the real issue are the bottom gojos, and here's why:

1) they're more likely to be antis. i think bottom gojo attracts a younger audience because gojo is the 'it guy' of jujutsu kaisen, so shit-tok fans flock to the dynamic where he takes it up the ass, given it's a well documented fact that most fans prefer seeing their fave bottoming. a lot of bottom gojos are moral panic, pearl clutchers hypocrites underage girls who will sperg out at smut of them as 17 years old, let alone anything naughtier

2) it's aiden central, and with a twist. for some reason, maybe because gojo looks arguably a bit more masculine than geto (taller and yeah, broader too even though bottom gojos will deny this, shorter hair etc.) he might be a better self-insert for trans guys, so there's considerably more art and fics of trans gojo/cuntboy than trans geto. if that's your thing fret not, it's still bad. because i've read many complaints of trans guys regarding how trans gojo is portrayed most of the times. turns out it's done in an insensitive way that ~triggers~ them a lot, such as apparently calling trans dude gojo "woman-things" anyways

(1/2)

>>10295

3) mischaracterization. bottom gojo fans in order to push their agenda blatantly disregard canon facts of the manga and the characters' actual personalities. this is because gojo all in all fits the seme stereotype better than geto, so they exaggerate gojo's vulnerable and cutesy traits rewriting history so that it makes more sense for him to bottom. the result is a completely different from the story, cringe daddy dom geto and a woobified gojo that acts like a literal child. it's not that it's 'weird' because i dont care about moralizing fiction, but it is still very irritating, ooc and personally just not my thing. also, they dont stick to this in their fics only, but insist this is the reality of the canon material too when it’s just not and throw tantrums if everyone doesn't agree with them

4) they harass more and lack fandom etiquette. since they're the majority (in the western part of the fandom only though), usually younger and were shaped up by tiktok and to a degree twitter, they are louder and more annoying and literally don't know how to co-exist in a fandom space. they will go under bottom geto posts and comment shit like "gojo bottoms though!", leave hate under bottom geto fics, and go as far as creating fake bottom geto accounts to give these shippers a bad name by acting like psychos while impersonating a bottom geto fan.

there is more too actually, but this got too long. as i said, bottom getos aren't perfect either and overall the jujutsu kaisen fandom is a trainwreck no matter where you turn, but bottom gojos are literally some of the worst shippers i've ever seen in my 10+ years of being a fujo

>>10295
imo they're a ship that fits most as being switches. in fact, i think a lot of ships would benefit from it, not having assigned 'roles' for characters is deeply unpopular in most fandoms.

>>10297
i completely agree with you nonna. i'm not a big fan of switching in general, but they're one of those ships that scream "switch" to me. bottom gojos being this annoying turns me off from the dynamic a lot though.
do you have any other switch ships?

>>10296
This isn't really about your ship, but
>gojo all in all fits the seme stereotype better than geto
My hot take is that I really don't care about characters in ships fitting those 'stereotypes' at all, and I disagree with people who decide that certain characters are 'absolute' tops or bottoms for every dynamic, if that makes sense. Topping/bottoming depends more on the ship, like for example in the AxB ship i would want A to top, but in a CxA ship I want A to bottom. I don't understand people who are so extreme about it and insist that their blorbo must bottom for every character in the series or that no dicks can ever go near his ass.

>>10299
i get what you're saying nona, but i think there are physical and personality characteristics that are culturally associated with topping more than bottoming and vice-versa. i'm not saying that one has to base their preference around said characteristics at all, and even as more of a tradjoshi i recognize the appeal of choosing a more unpredictable dynamic.

the thing is that these shippers will intentionally warp canon information to make gojo be more immediately associated with an uke role (claim he has a more delicate physique than geto, that his personality isn't actually rowdier) and insist it's canon facts when it's not. but regardless, i ofc think one can pick their t/b preferences without being influenced by which choice would make 'more sense'

>>10296
>cringe daddy dom geto and a woobified gojo that acts like a literal child
Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks gego is ooc. I don't mind it in theory but in practice what I've seen with my own two eyes was barely recognizable characters. And I avoid the English speaking side of the fandom so here I'm talking about the Japanese and Korean fans drawing doujinshi where Gojo and Geto look like themselves but don't act like themselves at all regardless of sex scenes.

>>10302
so even the asian fandom suffers from this issue… to me, as for you, bottom gojo is fine, i can see the switch appeal for satosugu and i'm not one to police what other people like. however it is definitely veeery ooc, and that would be okay if it stayed in the confines of dojinshi/fics. but their shippers want to push their narrative as canon and harass everyone who disagrees with their ao3 kaisen

>>10297
As some guy on twitter once said, they're more freaky frotters than anything.

>>10304
The Asian side doesn't have the pro and anti drama frol Western fandoms and fans tend to be actual fans and not kids readinf badly translated leaked pages in the wronf order on tiktok, but everything you said about how Gojo and Geto are portrayed in gego doujinshi and art is true. It's always Gojo becoming a bit shorter than he really is for some reason, Gojo acting like a kawaii uguu waifu saying no all the time with tears in his eyes and blushing like a tomato but Geto is stoic, just smirk or blushes a tiny little bit, smokes even more than Shoko, like who the fuck are these people? The ones who don't do it tend to not ship them in a specific order and often draw and ship both goge and gego, and tag their sfw art as 五夏五 or 夏五夏 to indicate there's no fixed order in their art. Even when goge fans make them ooc it hapoens a lot less often imo.