/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>12882
Wrong.

>>12882
Right.

>>12882
Neutral

>>12882
This seems to be a more common view among Western fans, along with making edgy stoic rival character bottoms.

>>12882
Mild ree.

>>12886
They want the villain to be a woobie forgiven of all his wrongs. I want the hero to keep the villain in his sex dungeon for the good of humanity. We are not the same.

>>12888
>>12886
It's cause villain/rival characters are usually more passive (at least emotionally) and snide, whereas the hero's character is actually more energetic and wild, something that comes across as more boyish to an East Asian audience.

>>12889
>something that comes across as more boyish to an East Asian audience.
No way, I've seen jps still insist that a villain should be top because they are evil (and therefore sadistic and rapey even if they are not) and that the mc (usually smaller than the villain) should always bottom. Depends if the villain is older than the MC too (which happens in shonen)

>>12888
This is so hot but it's just hard to imagine for heroes to be rapists there should be some darkness and obsession to begin with at least

>>12893
I can see it working if it doesn't start out sexual and if the villain initiates. Imagine some hero that can't connect with normal people because of his powers or his heroism, and the only person that can understand him is the villain.

>>12890
It is a similar line of reasoning, villains are older and more refined than the energetic and immature hero.

>>12893
I also agree it's hard to pull off with most heroes and sometimes you just have to embrace the same logic as turning a cheerful character yandere just for the drama/porn. Sometimes you get exploitable situations like ???% Mob and that kind of thing. When you can make it work, it really does hit. I think KnY really is a great series for this, especially since you can get anyone turned into a demon if you want.

>>12914
>>12893
This is the best explanation, the hero rapes the villain because that is the only way to drive the evil energy out of him.

>>12888
May I interest you in some https://myreadingmanga.info/tanoshii-milkya-san-milkya-maou-sama-wakarase-eng/? It's also a hero/demon pairing like the anon above me lol (lacks purehearted intentions though).

>>12943
This is exactly what appeals to me and this is why I love stories of villain bottoms.

>>12933

The best way to humble bratty villains.

>>12949
the hero is raping out of duty, not out of malice.

I can't turn off my brain like that. If the author doesn't consider the "hero" as a villain with good publicity or if it's not goofy/silly like this >>12933, I'm out. I hate how misery porn and BDSM became so normalized online. That's my hot take.

>>12974
I guess this falls into 'villain with good publicity' but there are also situations like SVSSS BingJiu where the hero and villain are both very morally grey and the hero already has potential to be a rapist.
I'm >>12888 and for me rape ever after ends are definitely more of a oneshot bad end AU type of thing (ironically BingJiu is a rare one where the torture dungeon is canon, just not the rape, so you can make an actual fixit plot out of it if you wanted)
I also enjoy top villain / bottom hero, enemies to lovers etc, it just depends on the ship. In general the less redeemable the villain, the harder it is to legitimately ship them and thus only bad end works.
I think I tend to like it best when it's like >>12933 where the hero believes they are justified somehow.

>>12975
>where the hero believes they are justified somehow.
Do you want the hero to reflect on his actions and become aware that he's acting on his base desires and not out of righteousness? I need the villain to feel that he deserves it so it breaks him further when he loses to the pleasure. Both men stained by their fluids and regret.

>>12976
nta but I think a scenario in which the hero is effectively forced to rape the villain for some contrived plot reason, like it being the only way for the villain to lose their powers, is what I would consider ideal. I agree turning a heroic character into a sadistic rapist just feels pointless, because they effectively become a completely original character.

Definitely going to be insulted, but; Piracy is bad in itself. It's theft. Someone worked hard to draw/animated/write the piece of entertainment and people just upload it to a clandestine website without compensating the artist. To fujoshis who can afford it, I advise you to buy your mangas and get CDs instead of torrenting or visiting illegal websites. Then the authors/producers get money and will be incentivised to produce more of the media that you like. Pic-related: Hetalia England who may look like a pirate but is in reality an admiral of the Royal Navy which hunted down pirates.

>>12980
He was also a pirate. That's the fun in Hetalia.
Pirates are a fun archetype and I wish it was in more used than just One Piece.

>>12981
Well you got me there but it doesn't make BL piracy any less unjustifiable.

>>12980
I see this anti-piracy attitude all the time in BL/otome circles, while in moege/male-focused circles nobody really cares and everything gets leaked online at some point. Not accusing you of anything per se but in my experience the ones who preach about piracy being bad tend to be clout-chasers/starved for attention, such as that one Diabolik Lovers translation group who tried to lock the PS Vita English patch behind a Discord where you had to prove you owned the game despite the PS Vita being discontinued and them swiping the translation from other tumblr blogs. That and the creators of the game don't really care about overseas fans, if they did the game would have already been available in English.

I like female voyeurs for gay couples, as long as she isn't feeling "cucked" and she's either apathetic or curious.

>>12985
That would be me except not really. I "kyaaaaa" inside but show a poker face pic related.

>>12984
>I see this anti-piracy attitude all the time in BL/otome circles, while in moege/male-focused circles nobody really cares
Because women are really prissy and proud of being consummerists. The japanese specifically (as they're the ones that equal piracy to rape unironically) live their life by proving they like (a product) by spending as much as possible (on the product). Why do you think those ita rooms are a thing? With like 10 coasters of the same thing to prove how much you like a character?
Male otaku don't care because they don't have a consumer personality. Porn is porn, whatever is accesible works and whatever isn't then it's likely not worth it anyway. This is also why most AI porn is moidshit since they don't care about quality or "the effort" put into the art.
But back to the topic of piracy, I think both >>12980 and all anti-piracy fags are retarded anyway. Tons of media becomes lost every year because of nobody willing to preserve it. Companies DONT CARE about you.
If you wanna support a small niche doujin artist, sure you can do that. But they also don't earn any real "profit" if you pirate their doujin.
For small niche BL artists doing their work, you could sure support them but if they don't care about your money then why cockblock yourself to not consume (a product) simply because it's locked?
This mentality of piracy bad often comes from exactly what you described, scanlation or translation groups that want the attention and patreonbux given to them instead.
Nobody is ever truly hurt by piracy

>>12987
Yeah, I agree with this tbh. Locking yourself out of something like artistic pride really isn't fixing much, especially since nowadays the likelihood of your patience actually being congratulated is becoming slimmer.
You'll just end up with what you would have liked becoming lost media, localized into something that is less risky, and in the small chance that you do get the opportunity to buy it it will be given to you in shoddy quality at triple the original price.

>>12985

I tend to turn my fav fem charas and ocs to supportive but voyeuristic fujos who get nosebleed whenever they see two guys fucking.

Better than make them one dimensional jealous clingy girls getting cucked just like any dramatic hetshippers would do and causing ship war.

>>12986
KEK, yes I get that and a stoic fujo whose face shows nothing and who cheers on the gay couple in her heart would be cool! IIRC cherry magic had a character like that.
>>12990
Based. And I agree! Make love and not war this is why I miss early BL and even western m/m comics that used to have many of these characters. I miss fujos who are living their best life…I also don't get the point of that and it's why a lot of romance series can become grating to me.

>>12980
The western BL scene wouldn’t even exist without pirates lol. The only reason we have the ability to buy English releases and directly support nowadays is because pirates created the demand to make the market viable to begin with.

>>12980
What do you expect people from third-world or eastern europe and south america to do then? The exchange rate is worthless and many of us are NEETs who still live with their parents.

>>12994
Well either you motivate yourself to work very hard thinking of all the nice stuff you’ll be able to afford, or you emigrate. Sounds harsh but it’s the truth.

Don’t lynch me I know a Polish fujoshi who turned her house into a yaoi temple with all the tomes and merch and whatnot.
Also if some of you are that poor; please read BL webcomics which are free and not copyrighted.

>>12994
>>12995
I'm a third worlder who has pirated all their life, I even still pirate some things but now that I'm an adult I have spent so fucking much on games, merch and doujins that it goes even beyond my budget. I buy because I want to, but if I didn't pirate all my life I wouldn't even be interested in animanga and games to begin with. You can decide to buy back all the stuff you pirated at some point, but there's nothing wrong with pirating it in the first place.
I'm never paying adobe a single cent tho

>>12996
you couldn’t pay me to read OEL webcomics I’m sorry
>>12993
Yeah I really don’t understand anti-piracy people especially with anime/manga of all things when it so heavily relies on fan-translations. There’s so much stuff that will never ever get an official translation so they’re just blocking it out for no reason. And like you said, the fan-translations create the market that pushes publishers in the first place. It’s not some “back in the days” thing either. This is the case for so many series. Danmei as a whole wouldn’t be getting so much English licenses if there’s was no existing market due to the fan-translations. Fans will buy stuff they like even if they’ve already seen or read it. Even when things are made free by the creator (webseries, web-manga) they will still turn a profit because fans like it so much that they buy the physical volumes and merch.

>>12995
>tfw when you have to uproot your entire life and move halfway across the globe before you’re allowed to look at anime boys taking it in the butt
You’re baiting

>>12980
What about situations like MDZS where an official English version releases and it's absolute garbage compared to existing fantranslations? I'll never buy an official release if there's something I don't like about it.

>>13001
I'm positive they're baiting or crazy. Because there is no what about. Some people can't comprehend the concept of doing anything but corpo boot-licking. Like that catboy VN drama from awhile back. Question their life's purpose which is to CONSOOM, you question them. And they don't like that.

>>13003
>catboy VN drama
QRD?

>>13004
Lamento Beyond the Void, I think. One of the voice actors is a big name now, and paying to license his voice again for an official English translation would be prohibitively expensive, so they won't do it.

Speaking of official vs unofficial translations: wasn't the English translation for Slow Damage notoriously terrible? Iirc,'bussy' was used unironically

>>12999
>Fans will buy stuff they like even if they’ve already seen or read it.
I'm not in the mood of gambling money so I'm only buying a physical copy if I already read it/am a fan of the author enough to know for sure that I will like it.

>>13000
>>13003
We all have a little bit of crazy in ourselves. So what? It doesn't hurt anyone if I love spending on and owning my favourite things. I contribute to the economy, raise demand for more BL production and make myself very happy. Look at how handsome Sebastian is on the cover!

>>13005
Slow Damage and Sweet pool notoriously so (Probably the same translator).

>>12980
There are plenty of reasons why I think piracy for something like BL makes perfect sense but for the love of god I don't care if you're poor or the manga you want to read is out of print just SHUT THE FUCK UP about reading them illegally. Keep that shit to yourself, don't make it worse for everyone and don't cry if your favorite manga or webtoon artists start insulting you online for posting their entire series for free or for reposting fan translated pages on twitter and tagging them. All you manage to do that way is disrespecting everyone, the original artists, the fans who have no choice but to rely on piracy until they can get their hands on legit copies and risk seeing these websites shut down, and foreign fans who buy original or translated legit copies and who could be confused as relying on piracy by a fed up artist. Plenty of websites for manga and anime shut down these past few years and I still see retarded zoomers on social media advertising the few ones left instead of shutting the fuck up like we all agreed to do 15 years ago, fuck them. I lended my books to friends so they could read them for free without using a screen as well, that's a fun way to recommend each other new BL manga.

Personally, I'm not a poorfag anymore thank god, and plenty of BL manga have been published in my country and often uncensored so I stopped reading BL manga online for a while now and have bought a lot of BL manga instead. But I already knew several of them thanks to fan translations online so piracy served as free advertisement here. However I've been buying a few of them blind as well lately. I'll never judge anyone pirating unless I know more about them, it took me time to start building my collection because of money issues. As for doujinshi I went to events in Japan and bought some stuff I enjoyed in Mandarake as well but I hate the fandoms for these so much I strictly refuse to scan and share my doujinshi. These fans can get fucked and keep reading the same americanized omegaverse coffe shop mafia AU fanfics with retarded OOC dialogues on AO3 in the meantime.

>>13008
There was nothing wrong with the Sweet Pool translation? I don't remember anything jarring. Perhaps you are confusing the unfinished Sweet Pool fan translation with the official one?

>>12980
I'm the anon who wrote that and, well, I tried to "practice what I preach" so to speak and uhm. I have less disposable income than I thought I did. I think it's alright to pirate as long as in the future you buy merch or give a tip to the artist to compensate.

>>13207
>and uhm. I have less disposable income than I thought I did.
This is cute lmao. When I was young I was paying $30 for a VHS with 3 (sometimes 4!) episodes per tape so when piracy is concerned I feel like anime got its pound of flesh out of me a long time ago. These days I try to meet it in the middle if the option is available by checking out manga through the Libby (library app) instead of pirating it.

I think being in fandom for so long has kind of twisted my mind to think of BL as 100% gift economy type stuff when in fact original BL is a product that is malleable by demand, so I feel a little guilty that my first reaction to "you should buy BL to support it" is to recoil lol.
>>12993
There's also a bit of this mixed into my logic. JP creators get their bag with JP fans. Overseas success is incidental.

>>13207
It's okay nonna. As someone who pirates stuff regularly, if I like it enough I like to support the creators in some way. But I've got a limited amount of money and physical space so I try to save it for the stuff I really like. There's something special about having a shelf of DVDs/books/etc. and it's all stuff you already love rather than things you bought on a whim and regret buying.