No.363
>>362In the west? It's shit.
In Japan I like the sheer variety of stuff made these days. Wish Jap artists didn't congregate on twitter though both because it's annoying to find shit and because westerners are cunts. Even in my basically non-existent in English fandom some fuckhead manages to be an asshole to some Japanese artist for "problematic" content because apparently these retards can't use filters or the block function.
No.367
I agree with
>>363 and I think a lot here are nostalgic for old BL is because the modern western scene of BL is garbage. It took a dive for the worse while the eastern BL scene is thriving.
I enjoy the current manga selections we have, so many more dynamics to choose from! Korean BL is going through the same phase Japanese BL had, instead of Yaoi hands Korean BL has these wear hairstyles and awkwardly placed 3D assets.
No.370
Maybe I'm just out of touch but I'm finding it pretty hard these days to find an actual english-language BL scene to begin with. I mostly talk about BL in scattered communities like here and /blog/ in 4chan's /jp/ but they're not that active, and even a community that has an official company backing it like the JAST blue discord was also not that active last time I was actually there.
The biggest one I can think of from my own experience is the Fujocon discord but that's only up temporarily. Of course, that being said I've also reached a point where I question whether I'd actually WANT to be part of a bigger english BL scene.
No.371
Chinese BL series got me back into BL after years. I actually made some good fujo friends through them, and I think some other old school fujos also got back into and nostalgic for old BL because of them.
I think the western BL scene is shit for the most part. There are pockets of people who don't give a shit if something's deemed problematic, and then there's the overwhelming majority that act like anything other than reversible couples in happy and healthy relationships is literally killing queer people in the streets.
I enjoy how the Chinese scene is more like how things used to be in the west. It has all the bad parts too, but I gladly take it over another the current western scene.
No.375
>>363you're so right ugh, everything has to be super healthy uwu and soft and other bullshit stuff.
i like the older freaky grosser stuff. something like dmmd now would never ever fly w/o everyone cancelling it left and right.
and the emphasis on trans characters make me vomit. it's happening to western ships and more, the gendies have ruined some shows/fandoms for me to the point i'm aggresively pissing them off just by talking abt homosexuality rooted in sex based attraction. fucking hate them so much.
and the comments under bl mangas are horrible to have to witness - "omg the author has a rape kink!". we should bring back, don't like don't read.
No.380
Probably an unpopular thing to state but I think the modern BL scene involving hating fujoshi and BL and women enjoying things in general is mostly an internet thing. Not once have I come across schizo hate of women enjoying this content or general gay stuff in real life, it only seems to be an internet thing. Of course, I'm just talking from my experience, but I have heard stories from a few friends about antis and they all seem to be internet based. The worst I've seen recently is people taking pics and posting tiktoks about LunaSol being at a convention and her being offered a duck toy.
Another reason why BL and fujoshi is widely hated in the west is because retards keep giving the haters attention. They literally only do it to provoke you and they're kids. I want to go back to the days where we either ignored or laughed at people taking fiction too seriously and they fucked off after that. Now we have entire essay threads about "having a rape kink is okay because these therapists say so and I will spend half a day of my time showing you evidence and debate you even though I know you won't care and you're just going to type 'kys' at the end (1/63)"
No.381
>>380> I want to go back to the days where we either ignored or laughed at people taking fiction too seriously and they fucked off after that.I think the reason this style of hate is so effective is because it's based in morals shit which is extremely effective on women. Tell women they're hurting people whether they are or not and they're more likely to feel bad about it.
No.382
>>375>i like the older freaky grosser stuff. something like dmmd now would never ever fly w/o everyone cancelling it left and rightThis reminds me of that time when Jast blue announced they're not going to localise lamento cause the sales of the other N+C games weren't enough to justify it. I always wondered whether it was because of the higher ups having too high standards for such niche games, on top of togainu and dmmd already having ancient translation patches, or just cause of western BL communities not being interested in these anymore. They're still working on Slow damage's localisation too so I'll also end up wondering how that sells.
No.383
Fandoms as a whole a shit now, including anything that appeal to fujoshi, at least in the West. Underage idiots who take fiction too seriously ruined it (I could probably write an entire essay on how and why that happened online in English speaking communities but that'd be too long, you can partially thank retarded blogs like "your fave is problematic"). On top of that, on a more technical level, websites that were very convenient to talk about hobbies as a whole turned to shit and made it harder to find like-minded people (instagram and its shitty features, twitter and how hashtags are barely used by anyone) or were deserted (forums as a whole, lj, tumblr, etc). On the other hand, you have casuals who will tell you you're a weirdo because you like a series or a book enough to be able to hold entire conversations about it, and these people will think they're giant nerds because they watch people badly play video games on youtube or they'll binge watch the new very popular series on Netflix exactly once (1) and will pollute Internet spaces and discussions with their empty, useless takes. Add to this that BL is kind of niche, nsfw and have very dedicated fans and you can guess how annoying it gets without seeing it for yourself.
I only use twitter when it comes to social media and I follow 60 accounts of Japanese and European artists I like who are themselves so sick of fandoms they just keep to themselves so my TL is clean so far. Even /v/ is less shit when I want to talk about video games. I'm very lucky to have fujoshi friends irl, we're very close in general they feel like they might as well be my sisters.
>>382I thought they were translating Lamento but the script is just so long they're releasing it last. I've seen that info long ago though, I should check their twitter to see if they posted more about that.
No.384
>>383https://twitter.com/JASTBLUE/status/1404625554536419329?s=20It's quite a shame cause out of the N+C games I played it seemed like the more interesting one.
No.385
>>383>I could probably write an entire essay on how and why that happened online in English speaking communities but that'd be too longI'd read all of it, topics like this always interest me and more knowledge is good
No.386
>>384Well, fuck. I was looking forward to it the most. I don't know how it works in terms of business since it's not like the company will publish confidential info on their market search and profits or whatever but I'm hoping they'll have another opportunity to release it later.
>>385An essay is actually an exaggeration, because I'd write this based on my personal observations and memories.
Don't tempt me… No.397
>>383>I could probably write an entire essay on how and why that happened online in English speaking communities but that'd be too longAllow me for a moment. Buckle up, I'm entering warp speed autism mode about this.
First of all, if I may start with the positives is that the western fandom has become increasingly more LGB-friendly and recognizing the feminist aspect of BL as a genre and a community. The fabled "I don't give a shit about real life gays, I just want hot bishies being sexy" straight girl was a real problem in the 00's because all content with beautiful boys was filed under "yaoi" even if it was largely otome slanted. But by this everyone point knows that the appeal of BL is largely due to the all-female community and the option to enjoy NSFW content without it being pandering to men. BL is understood as a genre for women to connect with each other, their own sexuality, and explore ideas about romance and sex that don't involve restrictive heterosexual dynamics or the male gaze. It's not a reflection of real-life gay men and was never meant to be such, as the characters are more representative of a fictional, idealized being in a male body. This has been hammered in so hard that it's now a standard for a modern fujo to acknowledge it.
Secondly, the long-lost connection between fujos and non-straight women (who make up around 50-60% of all fujos according to most surveys) was reinstated when people found out that fujoshis were called "lilies" before the derogatory slur ("rotten girl") was reclaimed to mean a woman who enjoys BL. Now a little history lesson: The term "Lily" ("Yuri" in Japanese as we all know) came from a gay ally/lesbian club and lesbians were called "members of the lily club" in Japanese, hence why the lesbian genre is called now "yuri". Comiket was practically elevated to the status it is now by BL enthusiast women because it was fujos who kept the whole event alive with their endless bishie comics and a very tight-knit community active in providing for each other, just like today. It wasn't until men were triggered by this change and wanted comiket only for themselves and "kick the fujos out" by doing what moids do best - drooling over literal little girl porn in the form of a lolicon anthology called Cybele. Comiket now has separate days for male and female audiences.
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No.398
>>397Third, the selection in BL has become wider and people who aren't into noncon and other popular BL tropes have found something that resonates with their tastes better. Besides the traditional seme/uke setting you now have reversible couples and wholesome stories. Despite having problematic oldfag tastes myself I still understand that not everyone is comfortable with those themes. This has made BL more approachable and thus has helped to grow the community and thus the demand for more series to be translated. No more do you have to dig up shitty scans with incomprehensible ESL translations and stupid commentary from the group translating it, you can now even get official translations for many BL series.
But to address the very real state of how the fandom did simultaneously turn for the worse. Fujos have always been considered a laughing stock in the anime fandom and the general consensus has always been defined from a very male-centric point of view.
>Fujos are just straight girls who imagine themselves to be the girly uke being raped by the manly seme, simple as that!>Fujos treat gay men as pets and think yaoi is just like real life, I know for having seen at least 20 Youtube compilation videos of 15-year old girls being cringe!>Fujos hate women because female characters ruin their gay ships, they're just fat, ugly, terminal NLOGs who can't stand to see attractive women taking their men away!And so forth, we're all familiar with these. Fujos used to just laugh at these accusations because they're absurd and based on delusional assumptions made by scrotes who don't understand the general appeal of BL at all. They were men, so they had no idea how women might interpret the stories and characters.
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No.399
>>398Enter the advent of social media. Now, social media favours hostile, controversial posts that generate more interaction and more or less reward them with more exposure. So what would you presume to happen as troons wanted to be True Gay Boys and not be seen as these disgusting, airheaded coomer bimbos as they were profiled by men? That's right, they repeat all those points listed above. I remember some prolific Aidens collectively shaming fujos for "fetishizing them" in the mid to late 2010's and expressing thoughts that fujos really are just straight girls who think real life homosexuality (including lesbians) is a crime against nature. With all due respect to everyone, the "straight fujo fetishizing gay people" is a real problem, albeit rare, but nevertheless a huge pain in the ass to deal with so it's vaguely rooted in fact. However, these people framed it in the sense that fujos in general are simply the genderswapped version of the coomer men addicted to lesbian porn. Soon enough the term "fujoshi" even became synonymous with this behavior and was reinstated as a slur, only this time by the people who would have been assigned the label but rejected it due to their own insecurity and hubris. So many young girls were memed into assuming a male or at least a non-female identity just to evade both the enormous guilt tripping and the accusations of "having internalized misogyny" for preferring male characters over lazily written female ones.
Moving forward, the schizo posts about fujos being pedophilic for liking teenage shounen characters gained more and more traction after all the mentally stunted, underage zoomers were traumatized by the porn made of their kinnie characters, a natural reaction to a sheltered 14-year old exposed to such material when they weren't mentally ready for it. The people who wanted to win a ship war weaponized this and started accusing fujos of incest/pedophilia/glorifying abuse to gain a moral upper hand, as was the case with the Voltron Klance vs Sheith brawl. Last but not least, hetshippers saw an opportunity in this, they hated fujos for being into unsavory gay things and ruining their straight self-insert OTPs, why not adapt this narrative for themselves as well? It's not that they have a problem with homosexual relationships, it's just those rotten misogynist fujoshis ~fetishizing~ them and wanting female characters killed that bothers them!
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No.400
>>399Some of them take it to the next level and accuse fujos of continuously harassing and attacking hetshippers because they saw a PSA post featuring a screenshot of a some 15-year old tardlet sending a "nice art but he's gay tho" DM as proof. The newest player on the field are all the gen Z twitter lesbians who got pinkpilled but in every wrong way imaginable. Instead of supporting female liberation and respecting women for creating a space for themselves and their little yaoi barbie dolls to kiss each other at, these girls prefer to simp for obvious female coomerbait characters and headcanon them as yassified lesbian lovers. They remain obtuse to the fact that their lipstick queens are aimed at the male audience which is why a lot of women, including lesbians, just don't find them that relatable or enjoyable. These people are the reason you see so many fujos having to cough up a half-hearted f/f ship just to keep them off their backs.
Long story short, fujos are being attacked from every direction imaginable. Not much has changed regarding this over the years, but what did change was the intensity of it. The politicization of fandom spaces lead the "ugh fujos are dumb" mindset to turn into "fujos are misogynist homophobes who should be eradicated" instead. But the community still remains admirably strong and fujos have always shown extreme perseverance during the period of their existence. Fujos still create most of the fanart, doujins, anthologies, fanfics and zines making entitled hetfags seethe. Fujos created this goddamn imageboard when they felt they needed a space where they could enjoy their gay shit in peace with likeminded people. China has banned the portrayal of homosexual relationships in their media yet still danmei gets massive marketing campaigns and tops bestseller lists even in foreign countries. More and more anime with gay characters has been introduced because the hard work the director and the writer of Yuri on Ice opened the gates for it. We all just have to remember that the reason fujos make so many people mad is either utter misunderstanding of what the community is about which is why even I took the effort to write this spergy post, or simply the disgust of women having interests that include their sexuality but in a fashion that doesn't cater to men. Whenever you feel discouraged, just remember that you keeping doing this is a giant fuck you to misogynist men and that should be enough.
picrel is the pipeline i hex on every anti-fujo asshole
No.401
>>381That's definitely true, and I think it's younger women mostly since the younger you are, the more you care about what people think. I barely ever cared what people thought of me, and I never cared what people thought of my interests. I was always chaotic and am still into the deepest, darkest, most depraved fucked up yaoi and shota content that exists out there. No one can stop me.
>>400Please continue this autism I love it.
No.406
>>397>>398>>399>>401All of this is true. Let me add more explanations and retarded theories as to why exactly things turned out this bad. This will be an incoherent word vomit but bear with me:
1) The internet is young so a decade ago, the nerds posting online weren't only socializing online, they'd be going to cons and various events and talk to normies on a daily basis. The internet etiquette from back then was that you shouldn't trust everything you read online, look for reliable sources to support claims you see online, don't post too much about yourself because the internet is public and anyone could see whatever you posted on forums, social media, blogs, etc. So fujoshi and nerds in general knew what they were talking about from personal experience, and people shitting on fujoshi either didn't like fujoshi and female nerds as a whole, didn't like BL itself or were fujoshi using self-depreciating humor. The last group is kinda important for the rest of my post, you'd see girls joking about yaoi paddles and glomping and shit like that.
This is gonna be long so I'll sage the next posts.
No.407
>>4062) Young, innocent zoomers then joined internet spaces later. Not only are they not in the known of which trends there were in fandom spaces because they haven't experienced them themselves (shit like yaoi paddles/glomping as mentioned above, the good old "don't like don't read" disclaimer on fics, etc.). But on top of that the internet as a whole changed : forums are now obsolete except for the really big ones, social media and micro-blogging replaced actual blogs and shit like Skype and MSN (Discord came only later) so there aren't any actual fan communities, just random people finding each other through their tagged posts if the algorithms are willing to show these posts to other users to begin with, and the internet was made way more accessible thanks to smartphones, pads and cheaper computers than before. Internet etiquettes changed too: because of FB's bullshit people are way more used to posting their real faces, their real names, the city where they live, where they work, the schools they go to, their irl friends and family, etc. The internet became basically an extension to real life instead of its own place.
3) So what happens then? This bullshit. Younger, well-meaning fans are in the same spaces as adults (some responsible, some not) but because of all the points mentioned above, instead of just interacting with them to talk about their shared hobbies, they also talk about more topics, and learn about more topics but don't look them up and do their own research because they're more used to having information served on a silver platter without look for reliable sources. To them, the stupid bitch you saw on tumblr saying fujoshi means "rotten girl" because fetishizing real gay men must be right, why would people lie on the internet after all! And fetishizing people is le bad!!1! But why is it? Well, very popular and controversial blogs on tumblr such as "Your fave is problematic", "This is thin privilege", "bikini armor battle damage", that one blog about how reading manga and learning Japanese for hobby related reasons is extreme racism against Asians as a whole but I forgot its name, etc. seemed like they knew what they were talking about despite being made by stupid teenage girls having their own existential crisis. Why look for sources beyond that after all!
No.408
>>4074) Because of all of this, and the fact that teenagers are stupid and still developing physically and mentally, these kids were reading and looking for materials online that weren't meant for them, including R18 stuff, so they've started blaming everyone around them whenever they found stuff they disliked, while using the usual arguments used by the blogs cited above: "waaaaah a character in that fanfic is shorter than the other character, just like how the average woman is shorter than the average man, you're turning this short male character into a self-insert for women which means you're making this pairing straight reeeeee" were common place at some point in the early to middle 2010s.
5) The accumulation of all of this, explicit support for the LGB on tumblr and fan spaces in general which was takend for granted, and normie gay guys saying they didn't want to be treated like fashion accessories by straight NORMIES faghags started or accelerated this trend of fakebois pretending to be MLM and achilleans so they wouldn't be eaten by their own fandom friends who completely misinterpreted this point. Then, Leelah Alcorn, a gay teenage boy who wanted to be a TIM committed suicide in late 2014 because he got sick of his very homophobic parents. He wrote his suicide note, put it in his queue so it would be public after his suicide, and it understandably shocked everyone on tumblr. All hell broke loose, everything became about trannies because people were sad that this HSTS kid killed himself so everyone assumed all trannies were equally at risk of suicide. Then people completely changed the definition of the word "headcanon" and made trans fics and art either as fetish stuff or to look good in front of their SJW peers because poor little Leelah died!!!
No.409
6) This shit continued while Leelah slowly became forgotten, and more and more young people believe this shit without even knowing why, thanks to the memetic nature of the information and data you'll find on the internet and the fact that, again, people don't give a shit about doing basic research online about any sort of topics whatsoever. I started sounding like a MGS character there, oopsie. Meanwhile, millenial, including late millenial female fans as a whole, including fujoshi, are either directly responsible for this shit as well by acting like super special queerios and calling themselves fandom moms everywhere or jumped ship and interact with fellow fans and close friend in private or niche spaces to avoid harassment, threats and being doxed.
I feel like I'm missing some stuff because of how long and incoherent I was, feel free to add more stuff here. I took so long writing this shit I listened to like half of the Sonic Adventure 2 OST at the same time.
No.411
>>407>that one blog about how reading manga and learning Japanese for hobby related reasons is extreme racism against Asians as a whole but I forgot its name, etc. I'm guessing you're talking about "This is not Japan", the blog notorious for being apologetic about Japanese xenophobia and yelling cultural appropriation and racism at everyone who showed a passing interest in Japan or anime, also cataloguing such amazing questions as "Is it racist if I eat at a Japanese restaurant run by Vietnamese people?". The blog was ran by 3rd generation immigrants from the US and Latin America with out of like 8-10 mods only one claiming to be native Japanese. Which again ties to your point about oldschool users learning that you should take the stuff said on the internet with a grain of salt, literally anyone can claim authority over anything by lying or twisting facts about their identity. I often wonder if we would've ended up in this mess if people took a double check at all the suspicious "as a gay man I say fujos should die" accounts and found out they had vaginas.
>>410You're not cool for using slurs.
No.412
>>411>slursYou're on an imageboard.
No.413
>>412Don't care. It's still cringe and has the energy of a 15-year old male redditor trying to be edgy, especially when it's such a tryhard boomer word like "gook".
No.414
>>411Yes, it might be "this is not Japan" but I wouldn't be surprised if I saw more blogs like this and they were reblogging each other posts as well. I'll look it up, it's been so long.
No.415
Reminds me, I remember running into a tumblr back in the day that was run by a 1/4 Japanese American getting angry about "white people" doing weird shit with sushi but most of the pictures they were using came from Japan and the shit they complained about is widely done in Japan because Japs really don't give a shit kek
No.418
>>413Then why are you here? You do know most people here comes from /trash/ right? People literally say trannies, nigger, faggot,etc all the time.
No.421
>>418>You do know most people here comes from /trash/ right?nta but most of us seem to come from cc or lc.
No.423
>>399[Comes off a little meaner than I intended but I wrote filled with ~passion~ and don't want to edit it]
I think it's retarded to blame hetfags for what political weirdos did to fandom and just seems like you desperately want to put the blame on men (I assume that's the hetshippers you're talking about) for doing to fandom what actually catering to SJ women who wanted to politicize fandom did. If the fabled "I don't give a shit about real life gays, I just want hot bishies being sexy" straight girl were still running fandom it would be cringey but infinitely better than these loser political queers.
>explore ideas about romance and sex that don't involve restrictive heterosexual dynamics or the male gaze*jerks off motion*
The history I'd tell is that Gamergate happened, fujos didn't stand against localization censorship and thought it would never come for them because "we're different we're queer women it's different" lmao. We were warned that censorious loser political feminist queers would come for our sexual expression too and then they did. And yeah, hetfag dudes pointed out the hypocrisy of fujos being into degenerate shit while not saying anything about the feminists taking over fandom trying to purge big tiddy. And because fujos conceded that male gaze fanservice was morally wrong and evil or whatever they had to slowly and slowly concede and condemn every morally wrong problematic element of what they liked, from rape, incest to shota.
And you're still here trying to justify your interest in getting horny with some gay loser "we're exploring ideas about sex that doesn't involve restrictive heterosexual dynamics or the male gaze. it's different to men" *jerks off*.
I found your history of Comiket interesting though. I agree with you on the changing of the internet to an extension of irl. Fandoms don't own or even have any control it's platforms anymore like they use to, where they could ban weirdos, age gate communities, now you have zoomers on tiktok harassing proshippers at cons.
But this desperate attempt I always see by proshipper/fujoshis who see how their communities and fandoms were ruined by politicization of fandom but still cling hopelessly to 'the male gaze still bad tho but it's different for us and maybe if we wrap our interests in queer theory academia language maybe they will leave us alone' is a baffling stockholm syndrome.
No.424
>>423>now you have zoomers on tiktok harassing proshippers at consI'm sorry, what?
No.425
>>423I'm
>>406 and
>>383, I'm not
>>397 though, just for context. You're right about Gamergate, I 100% agree with you there, but it's not like everyone knew or cared about that, especially if they're not into video games to begin with. I only paid attention to it because I was looking forward to FE Fates' release in the West (the 3DS is region locked because of fucking course) and I saw first hand how much of a shitshow the localization and marketing campaign for it was when the localizers tried to please some troon named Andrea Ritsu who lied about a specific scene while making the bi characters less gay and while also cutting off and changing so many dialogs the characters became parodies of themselves and some DLC couldn't even be translated, they would have had to be fully rewritten so they weren't even released. I remember stupid bitches saying "well, it's for a good cause!! fanservice bad!! tall adult female characters with breasts in a game rated for 16 years old and above bad!!!!!" while also reading BL of the male characters from the same game on MRM.
> And because fujos conceded that male gaze fanservice was morally wrong and evil or whatever they had to slowly and slowly concede and condemn every morally wrong problematic element of what they liked, from rape, incest to shota.I've noticed that on top of what you said, the reverse is also true. The number on normal proshippers forcing themselves to say they're morally ok with loli/shota, extreme fanservice anime and actual porn just to seem like they have a coherent argument is way too high.
No.426
>>425>proshippers forcing themselves to say they're morally ok with loliI think 'morally okay' is a weird term, but I have definitely seen a few proshippers seemingly awkward about telling lolicons/weirdos to fuck off. I think you can have a 'the type of porn you publicly enjoy reflects on you as a person and I do not wish to interact' without making it a extreme "I wish that you were arrested and banned from every site for fiction". imo it's a result of having online "communities" be the Feed/Dash, one constant stream of interaction instead of actual targeted communities where topics are avoidable. Stuff like real people slash was around and cringe but at least it was kinda underground. We need to rvtvrn to LJ.
>I was looking forward to FE Fates' releaseI was looking forward to Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE. It hurts. I just can't imagine seeing the wedding dress censorship in TMS and thinking 'ah yes, the fandom-wide acceptance of this puritanism censorship will have no effect on our thing'. I feel like the biggest western fujo communities at that time were into gaming, but I might be mistaken.
>>424Some drama I barely followed because it depressed me too much. I think iamlunasol, who made a 'brotherfucker' pin and is a loud proshipper got filmed constantly by antis at a con and then another anti claimed to have filmed/stalked her irl around some store and posted it online (only for it to not be her).
No.427
>>426Honestly, a genuine migration to DW/LJ is my dream. LJ kinda sucks, but DW is good. And people really aren't as extreme there either… so y'know… just saying.
No.428
>>427Keeping the dream alive, lol.
No.431
>>423fucking THANK you, you summed up everything in my thought.
just 2cent:
I really feel people here are also downplaying the radfem & terf contribution to the current fandom puritanical climate. Before you get at me saying i’m pro tranner, i dont give a shit abt trannies and they can fuck off. I'm old enough to see radfem & terf hijacking fandom spaces & bash fujoshi on a daily basis. People only think terf & radfem on their side just bcus they hate moid & tranny while they're MORE than that. Radfem & terf have no hesitation to put down other women just because they don't think like them or even worse just because women like/are attracted to men. In this case fujo is good punching bag for them, if you seriously think the whole ‘’fujo fetishizing gays’’ come from those sjw troon, you’re wrong. The sjw troon merely repeating what the radfem & terf say. The radfem & terf are the first one to blabber those bullshit to gain sympathy from the liberal because they fucking hate us (fujo) SO MUCH, it is well documented & i believe some boomer in fandom spaces remember it , or some discourse account still have documentation about it. Because almost modern sjw puritan nowadays have eerily similar talking points like radfem.
They hate fujos not just because we’re disgusting women who fawning over men they also hate us for what we like & create how most fujo love to indulge on rape, incest, shota,etc fiction. They're literally conservative. And thanks to them (also grooming) now we got horde of modern yurifag or misandrist mean lesbian who also come attacking us saying fujos is nasty women liking rape, incest and deplorable. (1/?)
No.432
>>431No matter what you guys feel you can't deny that most puritan sjw troon have similar and adapt radfem talking points. Its so fucking similar, no amount of gaslighting can convince me otherwise. Theyre just puritannical radfem repackaged with wokes & ‘’progessive” cover, but the inside is fucking same.
Why am I keen on blaming radfem & terf? Because they have history wanting to policing fictional content and very CONSISTENT to this day, i dont care if one of you is radfem/terf but you dont fucking deny that your communities directly responsible for this shit. Hate trannies or moid as much you want but fucking admit that your community is also fucked up holy shit. Seeing some anon here naively blaming everything on moid/dudebros gimme headache, because THEY DONT CARE about us & never doing this to us no matter how those males fucking hate us.
And now thanks to those faggot puritan you see it now most fandom being politicized EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL NOW. hard pill to shallow, fujoshi isnt and WILL NEVER ever be feminist movement. If you seriously think feminist accept us, lol sorry to say they dont welcome us they merely TOLERATING us. This ‘’feminist’’ isnt hesitate to put us down again and put us on the same basket like those moid lesbian fetishizer, they can defend us for women sexualities & or to own males about sexualizing and yadayada. But the moment they know majority of us indulge on problematic/transgressive fiction (rape, incest,shota u name it) oh they will stomping us down so hard. You see it now in the localization sphere they censor stuff that is considered ‘’problematic’’ or adding some unnecessary shit just to fit their political narrative. Recently there's a BL publisher who censors some BL manga stories just because it has ‘’problematic’’ content a.ka age gap. (2/3)
No.433
>>432I’m honestly agree with moid & dudebros on this case, politicization on nerd space is FUCKING cancerous & censorship no matter how you look at it is fucking SUCK. thats why i also cringe at fujo who hooray at anime tits get censor & laugh at moid, just wait until this fucker censor your yaoi. This is why despite i dont like sexy anime girls & moid but i still side with them on this case because i fucking know anime tits is just beginning and they WILL come to my stuff if they deem theres problematic shit on it. I hate moid as much next guy but i fucking DESPISE puritan moral police (be it if they sjw troone, radfem,etc) on every fiber on my being that i dont mind being brother-in-arm with moid. Enemies of my enemy are my friends.
Moid as much they hate us they never did try to police our shit & never come to our space, even if it is so rare. They simply DON'T care about us & most of the time they just whining fujo ruin everything with their ship because we ship their supposed Chad-Alpha anime boys. They’re smart enough to stay on their lane and theyre fucking right about politic shit on nerd space, its one of worst mistake ever that happen on current modern western sphere fandom space.
This is why when about shit like this i side with moid 100% time because theyre CONSISTENT with their principle, those proship & profiction space now also have those troon & queer fujo try to make everything is political, and want to make fujo as some sort feminist movement abt girls exploring shit & queer movement instead girls who likes boys love. I HATE IT SO MUCH.
Like man, I just want to have fun and giggle with my BLs. The world is shit enough & i don't need one of my escapism places to be filled with shitty political shit like IRL.
Rant done. Politicization of fandom is a mistake, period. also stop blaming everything on men, because its counterproductive & ignoring the core problem that most of time happen on internal. (3/3)
No.437
>>433I mostly agree.
I think it's a little naive to say men 'don't care' about us, but it's more that men can't hardly affect us when we are in a female-focused space like fandom, but they WILL fuck us over given the opportunity. Radfems on the other hand directly affect us by taking over and politicizing everything by speaking as 'female fans' as a whole (eg Anita, anti-personal choice feminist, who literally gets paid to 'consult' media to appeal to 'women').
However, we shouldn't forget that even pro-fiction men will agree and push mainstream radfem moralistic talking points in order to enjoy shitting on female media aka "Twilight is abusive" "50 Shades is abusive even though it's literally porn" right back to shitting on 90's romcoms. But I agree, SJW types are just repeating the same narratives from them. I think it's less on TERF lines and more on pro-personal choice and anti-personal choice lines, I guess you'd call them radfem lines.
>those proship & profiction space now also have those troon & queer fujo try to make everything is political, and want to make fujo as some sort feminist movement abt girls exploring shit & queer movement instead girls who likes boys lovepreach queen!
Some proshippers have this religious devotion to keep applying feminist theories to fandom, continuing this adoption and pathetic self-justification by queer feminist academic language that helped create this problem.
Whenever I hear some pseudo-intellectual ~BL is about queer women exploring queer bodies outside the heteronormative male gaze paradigm~
no bitch i'm horny shut up!!!
No.438
>>437Thanks for insight. i am agree with you & you put it better than me, i am ESL so not sure how to describe it.
Yup, i know males will fuck us given the opportunity but its not gonna affecting us & the media as whole, it just them seething & whining over cringey women media. Meanwhile, this
feminist have direct impact to us and especially to media we consume because they act like they
speak for the women & they're the
representative of the women. its fucking frustrating. i honestly rather deal with dudebro who seethe at every female fans or female media at least they are honest they simply hate women meanwhile the feminist and queer women shit on women whom they dont agree with just because theyre the
correct one & will not hesitate putting down other women, and as women its more disheartening & demeaning. Especially this people claim they're on our side, they're speaking for us & yet at the same time they use us as their punching bag.
either way i will never forgive the radfem for irreparable damage they did to the current fandom climate. i hate them and their ilk.
>Some proshippers have this religious devotion to keep applying feminist theories to fandom, continuing this adoption and pathetic self-justification by queer feminist academic language that helped create this problem.IKR? god it just make me roll my eye whenever i keep seeing proshipper fujo insist insert their shitty feminist & queer academic like some sort ''gotcha". they think they did something but no they just adding more problem.
like i would understand having normal discussion seeing fujoshi through feminism & queer lens but making it as some sort of movement & virtue signaling and they think EVERY fujo must think like them is fucking retarded as hell.
same i hate that type of pseudo intellectuual shit lol, like nigga i dont care about heteronormative or male gaze shit on BL. i simply like anime men and want to see them get railed because its hot. it ain't that deep.
No.439
>>438All this talk is reminding me of this "feminist" Anita Sa something I forgot her name. Bitch didn't evenplay video games yet her videos influenced American devs and American localization teams. And European localizations of Japanese games are done based on American localizations. It's a mess, really. The reason why I didn't mention radfems and terf shit in my previous posts is because everyone is accusing each other of being an evil terf while bragging over being feminists, so I'm not even sure they're aware of how ridiculous they seem. And you know they don't do shit for real women anywhere. They think they're activists for saying on their blogs that boobs are obscene and sinful and that the Japanese are evil for having niche fanservice anime that only otaku watch.
I did mention that there was a SJW trend starting with blogs like your fave is problematic and shit but I forgot to mention that weird trend where fangirls were shamed into forcing themselves to seem more feminists by nitpicking everything they liked because I felt that was a natural evolution of that. Does anyone remember that weird Hawkeye initiative trend? It wasn't because anyone wanted to fuck Hawkeye, it was to show that fanservice is le bad!!1! even though it's not that important at the end of the day.
No.440
I'm curious is there Bl scene in the arab world ? I mean with the homoeroticism of Arab culture, misogyny and girls stuck in home all day, It feels almost like the perfect cultural setting for a thriving BL scene
No.441
>>440Certified Arab fujo here. The Arab BL scene is thriving with rape, incest, heavy BDSM and many more. We are in a constant loop of being stuck on 2009 with a manhwa twist. Original BL fiction is more popular than fanfic unless it's kpop or the usual mha shit (used to be 1D and Naruto).
No.442
>>441Interesting, I have talked to an Moroccan Fujo in the past, she told me the scene only exists in certain arab countries, which as far as I remember were Lebanon, Jordan, Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia, is this an accurate assumption ?
No.443
>>442samefag, what is the original content like over there, care to give any examples ?
No.444
>>442You mentioned several countries with very dofferent dialects, can we even speak of one arab community? My mother is Moroccan and her first language is darija so she can understand Moroccan and Algerian people easily, same with Tunisians even though she hates their accents but she only only understands other dialects thanks to learning classic Arabic at school and Middle Easterns wouldn't understand darija at all. On top of that, since I'm in France but have Maghrebi parents, I can tell you from my experience that I only talked to French-Maghrebi fujoshi and female weebs in general online. Most of them are into mainstream shojo and shonen manga, I'm sure some of them hide the fact that they're into BL unless they're in cons or online. The male weebs are obsessed with anything from the shonen jump and Berserk and will shit all over shojo manga and consider BL an insult, which I find very funny. They'll tell you they're the biggest nerds on earth for linking the DBZ (French dub only). Even some girls are like that. I'm 28 so I can't speak for younger female weebs though.
No.446
>>442I have to side with
>>444 when it comes to dialects because on TV we need subtitles to understand Moroccan dialects. Most active fujos from the gulf (where I'm from and can speak of in detail) are Saudi fujos, they are the ones that feed us, bless their souls. Others would be Iraqi fujos and Egyptian fujos, especially Egyptian fujos! They write and translate many BL content.
>>443Had to wipe the dust off my wattpad account, this is the platform Arab fujos use the most. Here is a google translation of the summary of a story I'm currently reading.
>[ .complete ] I am not in pain from what happens between us at night, I am in pain because he does not remember anything. ..it just..treats me like a son in the morning and submissive and a whore at night~..my first experience on wattpad..the novel is a lesbian, man and man.Let me know if you want me to translate it for you lol.
No.447
>>446>Saudi Fujos >Egyptian Fujos really??? no offense but that's such an odd concept to even comprehend, cause both countries are just really famous for their level of misogyny, I had assumed that most Fujos would be from the levant or maghrib regions, cause they have relatively better women's rights record then moss of the Middle east
No.448
>>447There's a big barrier between us and the west, yes. So I'm not surprised if you think women here live in cages, some probably do lol. We're just like you are, even those Saudi fujos who are denied education just to be at home and then married off still have wifi and phones, devices they can write on and many, mannnnnyyyy books of stories and poems in classic Arabic they get inspiration from. Most Shonen anime they've seen their brothers or cousins watch they would write fics for like back then when Naruto was so big.
Also let me shock you, big arab fujo sites steal from English scans and translate it to Arabic to post in their sites for those who don't read English, met many Saudi fujos there.
No.449
>>442>>444>>446As a algerian-fujo I consider the gap between maghribi fujos and the fujos east of egypt, to be similar to the gap between korean and japanese fujos, sure there is a lot of overlap but relatively speaking we are different peoples with different languages and cultural aspects, most weebs in general here are closer to France as French dubs are still very popular here and in the dispora, similarly reading French translated BL works isn't an issue for most of us, so we don't have to do what
>>448 does
No.450
>>449>similarly reading French translated BL works isn't an issue for most of usDo you mean official or fan translations? By the way, if there are official translations of manga sold in maghreb which language is used? And I can already guess the answer but does that mean you can potentially buy French BL manga? The more recent releases are uncensored so that could be interesting. Although, I'm never sure about what's allowed or tolerated or not, for example I always forget about that weird as fuck virginity certificate you have to get from your doctor to get married in Morocco, and a friend of mine (French, from a Moroccan family) got her certifificate, fucked her Moroccan husband the day after, then got officially married two days later kek
No.451
>>450>Do you mean official or fan translations? both, usually its easier to find
>if there are official translations of manga sold in maghreb which language is used,French, Arabic translations are often in poor quality and just directly translated from English, though you'll only ever find Shonen or Shojo works sold in stores
with regards to culture its complicated, so many fucking ideologies and worldviews competing with each other, even the religious radicals fight with each other over which form of radical Islam is best, same with secularists and the nationalists are just everywhere along the political compass, so we disagree on everything and nothing gets solved and the status quo continues
No.452
>>439you mean Anita Sarkeesian? yep that bitch is one of radfem i talked about, she's one biggest example how puritanical feminism policing our media & everything need to adhere to their standard.
It's okay i understand it.
>And you know they don't do shit for real women anywhere. They think they're activists for saying on their blogs that boobs are obscene and sinful and that the Japanese are evil for having niche fanservice anime that only otaku watch.THIS. this moralist feminist dont FUCKING care about REAL women & im tired to pretend they are. i dont like anime boobs just because im not into it myself but i wont say its something like evil sexist & misoginist act that harm women that just dumb. There's actual problem that women face, instead this fucker only focus on fictional women.
>but those men sexuaiize us those evil anime boobs is the proof how they about us!okay, it just me but i would rather males sexualizing fictional anime women than real women. i dont care what deplorable thought they have on this anime girl they arent real & as long they dont project it on real women. i'm okay with it.
and beside there's bunch women who did love those sexy anime tits & a lot of those ecchi moe anime girl artist were female (this is fact in japan btw) . you can dislike it but trying to censor it just because you're uncomfortable is just fucking shitty move. and funny is for me this femnist letting men &
male gaze media live rent free on their head & very OBSESSED with it to the point they always have paranoid & resort to sex-negative mindset when
analyzing a lot of media they
suspect cater to male gaze.
i dont like those type media i simply dont watch/read & move on.
yeah, i remember that from what i know the owner of those blog at first were joking and SJW parroting it and later puriteen zoomer eat it up take it like a gospel. honestly i feel people who nitpick at every
prblematic aspect of media is miserable person. imagine cant enjoy media just because it have something you dislike despite it just miniscule, nothing wrong if you bothered by it but making it as your entire personality & judge the author did condone some evil fascist shit it just fucking retarded.
and its frustrating why fandom nowadays is so sex negative & think any fanservice is bad. muh fetishization! muh sexualizing!
holy shit, just dont watch and move on.
No.453
>>452Yes, her. But I thought she was a total stereotype of the average white American libfem. Although, a lot of self-proclaimed radfems are actually libfems so who knows. Whatever she is, she's retarded and should have stayed in her lane. No idea how she was ever hired as a consultant on anything, does she even have experience in marketing or something? How the fuck do you hire one controversial American youtuber so she can give you personal opinions only instead of letting competent people do proper market researches to launch new video games?
>There's actual problem that women face, instead this fucker only focus on fictional women.Be careful, she would tell you you suffer from internal misoginy kek
>and beside there's bunch women who did love those sexy anime tits & a lot of those ecchi moe anime girl artist were female (this is fact in japan btw)To be honest a lot of professional and popular female Japanese artists who do that are just after the money. Not saying they dislike it, but there's a market for such things, make otaku don't know how to control themselves when they go shopping. Most fujoshi do art because they're into it though, it's less profitable, I guess because fans have higher standards or way more specific tastes? I suggest you read Fujoshi Rumi, it's interesting because it's full of explanations on how fujo fandoms work in Japan from the POV of a fujoshi, and there's even an arc about a girl pretending to be a normie who's jealous of the main characters so she posts their blog on 2chan and treat them as her personal cows. It feels more genuine than shit like "my gf is a fujoshi" because the MC being a fujoshi is too important to the plot to just be a gag.
No.454
>>423You really just read that "fuck hetshippers" part and ignored all the rest to go straight to the "but le feminist gays are to blame, not men!!!!"? Bringing Gamergate into the issue is literal schizo tinfoiling, goobergoot isn't the root cause of all the problems online like a lot of neckbeard sources would like you to believe.
>>431>The sjw troon merely repeating what the radfem & terf say.First of all, what the fuck are you talking about? And secondly, not once have I seen a "radfem" say anything about fujos except as the fictional boogeyman retarded proshipper/antishippers keep accusing each other of being because that's the ultimate villain label to put on anyone's feet.
No.455
>>439>>452fuck this reminds me of all the discourse around resident evil 5, how it was a racist, sexist, colonialist and an evil white male fantasy and all that other crap, despite it being made only by Japanese people who had no idea and didn't care about the politics in the west, they just wanted to use a setting for their dumb zombie game
>>454radical feminists call us porn addicts and think we are potential aydens or something
No.456
>>455>radical feminists call us porn addictsRadfem server lesbians called me that and said that there's nothing special about drooling over two guys and that it's the same how guys drool over lesbians, gave me the usual on how it's fetishizes gay men and all the things I've heard before. Proceeded to then praise yuri and had genshin profile pics. They were either removed from the server or left on their own.
No.457
Being a fujo online has been getting less and less fun over the years however I feel like I've been getting more content than ever so I'd say it's better than 2010. I do wish I had a place do be completely unbashed about loving BL the same way guys were unbashed about waifu loving. I miss some cringe things too.
No.458
>>457It's because while we've been getting more and more BL content, the western fanbase has been getting worse and worse. Personally it feels really hard to find fellow fujos to talk to that won't freak out because I'm into things like shota and incest which are considered super problematic these days(even though years ago it was widely accepted and not judged). Also, most fujo spaces are full of trannies and they care about all the political bullshit too much. This site is pretty much the only place I know of that has 'normal' fujos, so I'm glad it seems to be gaining more posters.
No.461
>>458shota was never accepted…
No.462
>>456Anon if those people have malegaze waifu PFPs and like coomer lesbian shit while sperging about male gay fetishizatoin I doubt they're actually radfems no matter what they say kek
No.463
>>461Nah, you just weren't there. I can vividly remember a time when it was a trend for Tumblr users to put "shota" in their URLs, before the rampant and infamous politicization that website underwent.
No.464
>>397>"I don't give a shit about real life gays, I just want hot bishies being sexy"well I'm still that girl though I'm older and married, but I still don't give a shit about real life gay moids, they are disgusting and I hate the way they act and talk 99% of the time, I don't understand why I have to like disgusting gay moids just cause I like fictional 2D beautiful males being together, it ruins the fantasy
No.466
>>460samefagging to say I've been learning Japanese on and off and my only real problem at this point is that I keep forgetting words/kanji and I have a hard time learning new words. It's usually enough for me to read stuff online as long as I use a computer and a browser with rikaikun or rikaichan, but anything on a smartphone is annoying. I studied it in uni as well but half of my classes were in my first language instead and some classes were canceled due to sick teachers or weird shit. I'm still salty to this day.
No.468
>>464Then unironically neck yourself since you're either a full homophobic yume in denial or a scrote psyopping anyway.
No.469
>>468I'm not homophobic in the sense that I hate homosexuality, If my son or someone I knew was gay, I'd accept them with open arms and support them no matter what, Its just I really hate gay male culture and the way they act 99% of the time, even the way they talk just annoys me greatly
No.470
>>461>>463This reminds me of how I used to follow someone on tumblr who scanned Black butler Sebaciel doujins at one point but she stopped because it got too troublesome. I don't remember whether she got death threats or if it was a case of people getting the scans taken down somehow with report abuse.
No.471
I put the blame on the current state of BL fanbase on the centralization of the internet. It was easier back then to hide in niche communities. Now with the central space for fanbase activities being Twitter, everybody is on the same space as everybody, and the best you can do is try your on curation by blocking people, which hasn't exactly worked the best for me(it seems antis are neverending). Your best luck is on small discord servers, but if you're an artist or fanfiction writer or whatever, you're basically obligated to post on Twitter if you want the community to engage with your work.
No.472
>>471I agree with you on this, I think the internet in general sucks cause now cause of this, everyone had there own spaces where they could discuss what they like and create content based on those interests, no one had to be put in situations where they stumbled upon content the find offensive and of course arguments and online drama starts
No.473
>>471>but if you're an artist or fanfiction writer or whatever, you're basically obligated to post on Twitter if you want the community to engage with your work.What you can do is straight up disable notifications from people you don't follow. I think that's a possibility, so even if retards you don't follow reply to you non-stop to insult you you shouldn't even notice them. But yeah it's annoying that you have to do that to begin with.
No.474
>>461Not them but Black Butler was HUGE back in the day and it was like every other fujo was into it.
I guess it depends what style of shota we're talking about here because female-oriented shota like Black Butler (more tame at first sight) and male-oriented shota (which tends to look immediately and obviously lewd as soon as you see it) are different stories.
No.475
>>461You're wrong, lol. How old are you?
No.476
>>454Wow yeah, that is TOTALLY the only part of your posts I engaged with!!! I gave a history I felt was relevant (just like you fucking did, moron), and the rest is responding to the fact you OPENED your posts with an absolutely retarded
>positives of… recognizing the feminist aspect of BL as a genre and a community>BL is understood as a genre for women to connect with each other, their own sexuality, and explore ideas about romance and sex that don't involve restrictive heterosexual dynamics or the male gaze.What the fuck did you want me to say about the rest of your posts? I literally said "your history was interesting, I agree on the changing of the internet" it's completely disingenuous to say I read "fuck hetshippers" part and ignored all the rest.
I disagreed and pointed out how I thoughts some things you said were retarded. Get mad about it sis.
No.479
>>478*breaks door with hard yaoi paddle*
*holds your hand gently*
*friendship intensified*
No.480
>>469I agree with this, gay male culture is gross
No.481
I'm morbidly curious, how does the current western black butler fanbase handle sebaciel? The author clearly wants the reader to ship it so if they get all moralfaggy about it then they might as well drop the series since it'd be "problematic" at its core. Are they in denial about that? Do they try to twist it with social justice buzzwords or say it's ok if you age up ciel?
No.482
>>459We're not really cut off from the internet, just twitter and instagram which can be accessed from vpn.Twitter here is not much different from western with all of virtue signaling and underage wanabe SJW, so procseed with caution.
Outside from that there is VKontakte (russian facebook) which is not much tainted by twitter culture, and you can try to find bl groups there. Bl and anime community is pretty large here, and most content getting translated faster than in english sites.
No.483
>>481>The author clearly wants the reader to ship itI've been meaning to get into this series and haven't yet, but from various comments on the internet I'd gotten the impression that Ciel has a female love interest. Is it just up to reader interpretation?
No.484
>>483The female love interest is a semi-important character as well. I personally don't care about Sebasciel, I'd say outside of a few illustrations here and there you can easily pretend it's here or not.
No.485
>>469>I don't hate homosexuality or anything b-but I just hate how they talk and act!!!!This is literally as dumb as saying you hate all lesbians "but actually mean you just hate how they're all ugly annoying blue haired vegan SJWs". Gay men are probably the single category of moids I can stand as a lesbian since the overwhelming majority of those that I've met are normal, empathetic people and despite having their retarded male moments they're still remain the only type of men who most likely won't rape and kill you.
However the actual reason why I really can't stand the "I love yaoi but hate real life gays" take is that besides being a complete oxymoron, it does imply underlying attitudes against gay people and even if they try to dress it up with "I like lesbians though" there's no reason to believe or trust you. And if you read BL and are emotionally invested in the story and the characters whose relationship it's about, it's pretty clear that the concept of homosexuality and men being gay doesn't bother you even if they are fictional. So I assume that the people saying this are cumbrained yumes who read only smutty BL doujins because they hate straight porn for making them envious and feeling cucked by the girl getting all the attention from men. And that's simply pathetic and scrotelike behavior to me.
No.486
>>483he does but the fujobait is obvious and intentional, so if you're getting mad at people for shipping sebaciel, you should be getting mad at the author for baiting them too.
No.487
>>454thats i know that you're not old enough to see how this shit become like this. everyone who's old enough to be in tumblr know where the root why this shit is happen.
are you seriously think those sjw & puriteen zoomer become puritan because for no reason? where do you think they get their rhetoric came from? like nigga every current fandom discourse is just recycled old tumblr drama that radfem started. it is well documented & boomer boomer fandomgoers in tumblr already know where this is started.
because you havent seens it dumbasses, me & other fellow fujos who old enough to dwell in tumblr already experienced it. i fucking saw it on my eyes how radfem keep attacking us just because we're easy punching bag to them. and you think i say all this with no basis?
like
>>455 >>462 said true radfem always hate any type of sexualization of females regardless whether its fictional or not. and they always think us fujo is proto ayden/AAP. not even bullshiting once joined cisles discord filled with radfem & terf, when one of people there bring up fujo they exactly think us like proto ayden fakeboi, we're nasty porn addict & women who suffer internalized misogyny just because we like gay anime boys.
you mention proshipper accusing antis as radfem, proshipper isnt exactly wrong in that regard as they have their own proof & documentation. antis does parroting what radfem say & i am used to be skeptism about it first but seeing it how most recent discourse is so similar like old tumblr discourse that radfem started + on top antis talking point is exactly like radfem. just because you're not there to see it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen anon. you're exactly proving my point tho, really downplaying radfem contribution to recent puritannical fnadom climate.
i unirocally agree with that anon who bring up gamergate its related & gamergate is the boiling point why that shit happen because sex negative radfem is too authoritarian to policing any content. its true at that fujos hooray-ing any sort 'male gaze' censorship because muh men is evil while look now, how it affect localization as whole. even recently, BL publisher cut down some stories that they think too problematic.
radfem is historically consistent wanting to hijack fandom spaces because its place where 'porn addict' like us & moid thriving. and they're not hesitating to sweet-talk to liberal & intersectional feminism about their view, its why nowadays there's a lot sex-negative feminist who always complain about nerd content because it has a lot of sexualization & think its the root of evil.
i dont hate any feminist, the sex-positive feminist is cool dude. and sadly theyre minority.
No.489
>>457i feel you, this why i priv my twitter and only get along with fellow degenrate fujos & also get along with local fujos who mostly dwell in fb. bless them
>>458>most fujo spaces are full of trannies and they care about all the political bullshit too muchthis, fucking hell. i am tired seeing trannies & woke fujo want to make fujo as some sort feminist-queer movement & doing some unnecessary 'queer interpretation. like ffs, i just want to read my yaoi in peace.
>>460i will anon, after i have some money & free time i will learn japanese diligently. i dont think i can improve if i am self-taught so i will learn through japanese learning school. glad its pretty common here.
>>471absolutely agree with you. i miss LJ days. also i am waiting for fanexus the creator were profiction boomer, only see the beta and such. it seems promising enough.
for now i am just staying with my discord friend & interact with fellow fb fujo
No.490
>>483yes ciel has a female love interest, and a very obnoxious one not to mention that she's his actual cousin
i respect yana as a fujo, but idk what the hell what she thinking when she came up with lizzie
No.491
honestly the thing about black butler is that sebaciel is the main selling point and they're always advertised together and then you read the manga and… probably the biggest fujobait in the history of fujobait
No.492
>>489>i priv my twitter and only get along with fellow degenrate fujos How did you find these degenerate fujos on twitter? I recently made an account and it might be a fandom-specific issue but it feels like at least 90% of the people in it aren't someone I'd want to be friends with.
No.493
>>490Lizzie being Ciel's cousin makes sense, given the setting.
I won't speculate too much but I'm sure there will be a specific point in her and Edward being Ciel's cousin. Yana hinted that Edward and another character look suspiciously like each other, looks like that certain character could be also related to Ciel. I can't dislike Lizzie, she's too fashionable for that.
>>492I was going to ask the same thing. I don't even reply to anyone at all now that I remade an account, I have just one follower and I have no idea how he found me.
No.494
>>492>>493theyre old circle of mine from tumblr and some from 4chan lol.
oh also some local fujo i befriend with who also share same taste like me.
No.496
Most of the morality police are either being performative to look good to their e-friends or just a twist of the classic "This pairing is a threat to my otp/headcanons I must attack it" type mentality with no genuine care for the social issues they claim.
I have an example of this from a series I follow. There's a ship popular with Japanese fans that has an age gap, and there's a group of 15 or so English speaking fans on twitter that are vocal in the small English fanbase. These people call the pairing "pedo", the people who like it evil, and denounce artists for drawing it, even if they only ship it after a time skip where the younger one's body is fully grown (they're supernatural creatures that live thousands of years, it's also highly debatable if the younger one was ever even mentally a child but I'm going off course here). They also act like their weird out of character headcanons are canon to "prove" that the ship is "sick" (when really they're the fucked up ones for even coming up with this shit).
Meanwhile, these same people will follow fanartists who draw other sexualized shota characters without a care, making their true intentions very apparent. They also can't keep their bullshit consistent, because while they call this pairing "pedo" because of the younger one's physical appearance, they also hate him shipped with a certain other character because he's a 100 year old supernatural being and she's a human minor.
Pretty soon these kinds of people are gonna diminish the seriousness of words like pedo and turn them into meme buzzwords like they did with gaslight among other things.
No.497
>>494I remember making my first twitter account to escape tumblr's bullshit, my mutuals from back then started following me back on twitter too, and then decided to use twitter to post even more American political, Trump-related bullshit. And none of us are from the American continent to begin with. I remember venting with just one tweet at some point because of the Yuri on Ice fandom and saying I was sick of seeing fakebois spoiling new episodes just to prove it's gay and everyone unfollowed me just for that. I guess that was too problematic.
No.498
>>493Pretty much same case here anon, all I do is retweet and like art (and mostly from Jap/Korean artists).
>>494I used to mostly enjoy BL stuff on my own for years, I never really made any fujo friends and now that I'd like to talk about my interests with people it seems almost impossible. There are some people that seem fairly normal from their bio/account but I feel like it would be weird if a person with no followers randomly followed them, though I might just be overly autistic here.
>local fujo i befriend with who also share same taste like me.Lucky. I don't think there's many local fujos I could meet where I live.
No.499
>>496sounds like a body-is-just-a-vessel type thing they're too dumb to comprehend.
even ignoring their moralfaggotry, people applying human perception of age to long-lived or immortal beings is the most fucking braindead genuinely low iq shit.
No.500
>>490i love lizzie and i think she's cute tbh. she'd be worse if she were a damsel in distress type but the girl can actually fight/has a personality that isn't just "woowoo ciel-sama~"
No.501
>>492>How did you find these degenerate fujos on twitter?Not her, but they're pretty easy to spot.
No.502
>>454>not once have I seen a "radfem" say anything about fujosThey don't, generally speaking, but I don't think that's what
>>431 meant by saying that SJWs and radfems are functionally similar. In fact, if it weren't for radical feminism, there would be no fandom social justice at all.
It all started with RaceFail '09, a now-legendary wank in the western sci-fi fandom perpetuated mostly by radfem acafen (fans who are also in academic fields, usually literature or gender studies, for those of you too young to have heard the term) on LiveJournal. While social justice-flavored grudgewanking existed before RaceFail, it was mostly brushed off as just that: grudgewanking. RaceFail legitimized these kinds of attacks, proved their effectiveness, and brought them to the forefront of fandom consciousness. It was the first major instance of targeted harassment campaigns as well as what would later be called 'cancelling.'
Now, as you might have guessed from the name, it (originally, at least) concerned portrayals of race relations in fiction both professional and fanmade, with no direct relation to BL, or even Japanese media as a whole. And indeed, many of the acafen involved were themselves slash shippers. So why bring it up? Well, you've seen the absolute state of Twitter. Fandom as a whole was quick to adopt the techniques RaceFail pioneered in the name of all kinds of Great Justice, anti-fujo sentiment among them. It's just unfortunate that it's been widely forgotten nowadays that it was the radfems who invented them, and still employ them to this day.
TL;DR Radfems and aidens is the same, just with slightly different targets (namely, each other)
No.503
>>454>not once have I seen a "radfem" say anything about fujosThey do say that trans boys are just extremely coombrained yaoi addicted girls, but I agree with you that they're used as a boogeyman a lot.
No.505
>>481>how does the current western black butler fanbase handle sebaciel?As other anons have said, there's not any actual sebaciel in the manga and what little fanservice it does have (for example picrel), is so vague and ambiguous that Western fans can easily brush it off as "normal father-son interactions" lol. In fact, you get called delusional or a creep if you even acknowledge these scenes for what they are: fan service. Damn you yana and your plausible deniability *shakes fist at sky*
>The author clearly wants the reader to ship it so if they get all moralfaggy about it then they might as well drop the series since it'd be "problematic" at its coreI don't really understand it but fans will twist themselves into pretzels to justify yana toboso's """"problematic"""" content kek they either turn a blind eye to the fact she used to draw literal shota porn or swear up and down that it was all in the past and she's a changed woman now lmao.
That being said most of the western side of the fandom seems to be comprised of dumb kids and or Americans so I guess this type of behaviour is to be expected. I have seen a few western fans who don't mind sebaciel at all but they're all either 25+ and or from Eastern Europe or Latin America kek
No.506
>>504and on top of "hating pedophilia", she longs for social approval from her twitter friends. so of course she'll start an e-slapfight. it's simple.
No.507
>>505Yana's plausible deniability is gone once you go check her body of work and find out she did a one shot shota BL with a character nearly identical to Ciel. The fans still manage to ignore that somehow.
No.508
>>502>TL;DR Radfems and aidens is the same, just with slightly different targets (namely, each other)This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "radfem" is. Radfems aren't puritan schizos who just hate trannies, radical feminism is a branch of feminism that advocates for the abolishment of gender roles, female sex-based rights and female liberation and independence (or in more extreme schools of thought, complete segregation) from men. The Genshin PFP waifufags who hate fujos for liking male characters and accuse them of being proto-Aidens aren't radfems, they're a different flavor of NLOGs who only want superiority over other women instead of helping them realize their full potential. The people obsessed with identity politics such as those of RaceFail are representatives of intersectionality, a movement entirely separate from radical feminism.
"Radfem" has been used as an insult to the point it's lost all its meaning and is now only used to refer to a "woman who I don't like". That's why antis are accusing proshippers of being "terfs" and proshippers are accusing antis of being "terfs.
No.509
>>487>are you seriously think those sjw & puriteen zoomer become puritan because for no reason? >where do you think they get their rhetoric came from? …they grew up in christian households and things like rape, incest, pedophilia, and etc. are social taboos – they can't tell fiction from reality so they seethe at dead dove enjoyers.
this post is messy as hell to read (you need some fucking line breaks) so i'm just gonna focus on this point here. why the hell are you trying to push all the blame on feminists?
No.510
>>509Because apparently that anon has their heart set on the narrative that """radfems""" who decided sexy = bad because 4chan said terves are evil frigid bitches when anyone who has followed fandom drama with at least one eye open knows it's an accumulated result of fujos being hated in a male-dominated online environment for decades and society traditionally finding female sexuality as disgusting and something to be controlled in general. Feminists are treated as the strawman punching bag like always, nothing new there.
No.511
>>505>normal father-son interactionsI know nothing about Black Butler, but this seems to be a common thing to throw around at age gap pairings regardless of how they actually act. One ship I have in mind has a king shota with his loyal retainer who sees him as a sort of god-like being and I just gotta wonder how spoiled these zoomers are that they see father-son here kek.
No.513
>>507You're preaching to the choir nona kek
Western fans seem to spontaneously become illiterate/blind once you bring up yana's old work.
>>511Makes me wonder the fuck kind of father-son relationships these fuckers have seen in order to classify the most blatantly homoerotic shit as that type of relationship
No.514
>>502Good history. I think that was definitely one of the starting points of "criticizing" fandom activities and using trying to use "objective" moral arguments instead of 'live and let live'. "These shippers are bad because I don't like them or their ship" justifies weird harassment a lot less than "These shippers are morally evil".
>>508I do agree with this though. I brought up pro-personal choice and anti-personal choice before, also maybe, and the Lord forgive me speaking the words, critical theory feminists. Ultimately I think the point is that it's all a mistake and allowing any sort of "the personal is political" to take over hobbies was a mistake.
>>509>>510I'm not that anon, but I just want to say the point in bringing up the negative effects of fandom bowing to feminism isn't a criticism of feminism, it's a criticism of 'the personal is political' and injecting that into hobbies and fandoms.
Men affect culture as a whole (and yeah, shit on us, which I said here
>>437 and turn anti-personal choice feminists in Anita into the mouthpieces of 'the female audience' so much that she, and people who politically agree with her, are the female "sensitivity" readers who change and edit media for "women") but lmao blaming them for female fandom turning into a terrible hellhole is a cope. Men didn't ruin fujoshi and female fandom, young women did.
I think specifically bringing up radfem as a boogeyman is a little of a bad look (I think of radfem as a big umbrella), but it's so obvious to see how turning fandom into some loser pathetic thing that self-justifies itself via queer feminist academic ~queer women exploring queer bodies outside the heteronormative male gaze~ language is something that helped create this atmosphere. And when you see proshippers still clinging desperately to it, trying to turn it around on them with "ACTUALLY, you're the ones who aren't feminist enough for hating queer women exploring their sexuality!!!", it's just pathetic.
No.515
>>511>I just gotta wonder how spoiled these zoomers are that they see father-son hereEither spoiled, or have no reference. I think a lot of these terminally online fandom police actually don't have much parental guidance in their life and hence don't know what the fuck they're talking about or the implications of what they're saying.
They're also incredibly insular and both unwilling and unable to do something like look outside of their personal bubble, let alone their modern western pov to understand a historical or fantasy setting in a story. Like even without looking at it from a shipping perspective, a young king with an older follower who worships him is not even remotely a parent-child relationship, but since understanding the characters in the context of their setting is impossible for them they default to the only close child-adult relationship they can personally relate to which is parental.
No.516
>>481>I consoom Black Butler critically>I ship sebaciel critically>Here's my essay on why I think Black Butler is problematic but how I combat it by kinning CielIt's pure copium on their part.
No.517
>>514Personally I think there's a lot of truth to the "yaoi was my kweer awakening" discourse, in Japan a lot of fujos are lesbians and like mentioned upthread the whole genre was created by them pretty much as they found a way to write stories for other women without men slathering their cocks all over it. I definitely learned to explore my own sexuality with BL as it wasn't tainted with expectations placed on me as a woman seeing how it's an all-male setting.
That said, the main problem in today's political climate it's not woke enough to say that it's a helpful tool for *women* to have a sexual awakening. Women are naturally considered second class citizens, especially when it comes to their sexual needs, so you have to turn it into a variant of "Kuroshitsuji made me realize I'm a gay trans man and antis are terfs for denying other potential transmasc eggs that experience!!!" instead of intelligibly having a conversation about what a beacon of hope BL is for a lot of young women struggling with themselves. However to my understanding the purity culture overall came from a mix of identity politics gaining more popularity in the early 10's after events during Occupy Wall Street made it mainstream in 2011 and also the "anti-bullying" measures, you couldn't just "not like" something because that made you seem immature and close minded, you had to come up with a moral reason to spur outrage over to justify your subjective feelings.
No.518
>>502ah i remember this a bit, i see some peopple in LJ talk about this.
exactly! radfem were the foundation of fandom social justice, those sjw & puriteen simply take their ideology/belief but they twisted it to fit with their own personal agenda. their tactic is very similar but just with different cover.
>>504anon, we all know normie hate lolishota but even then, in the past they arent that violence. most of normies in fandom simply think it just
people like weirdo fetish thing & just ignore lolisho lover.
>>509>they grew up in christian households and things like rape, incest, pedophilia, and etc. are social taboos – they can't tell fiction from reality so they seethe at dead dove enjoyers.and you think most of degenerate fujo also doesnt come from same environment? Almost of them are. yet they can tell fiction & reality, in the past it was even encouraged to liking those problematic shit & nothing happen at all.
where did i say i push the blame on feminist? i am only blaming the radfem one & criticizing modern feminist who's puritanical & sex negative. this anon
>>514 say it better than i do.
>>510lol fuck off, do you think i blame radfem for no basis? literally there's a lot anon who bring up about it because they experienced it & aware of it. im not the only one, faggot.
do you seriously cant handle that the fact that feminist, a WOMEN have the ability to put down other women? go read feminist history, kids. There's so much infighting & they're not hesitate to put other women down. continue let moid live rent-free in your head while mostly they dont give a shit about us & while they love to shit on us, it be never the reason, why current female dominated fandom space become hellhole like this.
also i agree with other anon who bring up sometime radfem used as boogeyman in proship space. but its undeniable, radfem had huge impact in current puritanical fandom climate. Like other anon point out, politicization of fandom is a fucking BIG mistake.
No.519
>>517NTA, but i am understand that. i actually doesnt mind with fujoshi discussion through feminism & queer lens, as long it just for analyzing the social aspect of them. but what i dislike is how people (esp troon & woke fujo) try to make it like fujo is some sort of queer-feminist moevement.
i am also realized about my sexuality thanks for reading BL but i am not gonna make it like some pseudo-intellectual bullshit, like current fandom make it be.
yeah, i see it a lot of young kids nowadays when they make
hot takes they bring up some convoluted woke reason when the real reason is they simply dont like it. i fucking hate western fandom spaces so much.
No.522
>>517>the "anti-bullying" measures, you couldn't just "not like" something because that made you seem immature and close minded, you had to come up with a moral reason to spur outrage over to justify your subjective feelings.I don't think I've ever considered that connection to anti-bullying before. Interesting. I've always connected it becoming mainstream through a marriage between men-hating-female-media and that type of pop culture feminine-media-hating feminist critique. Romcoms are sexist, Twilight is abusive, etc. I have a general fascination with feminine media which maybe others on here don't share haha.
>it's not woke enough to say that it's a helpful tool for *women* to have a sexual awakening. […] instead of intelligibly having a conversation about what a beacon of hope BL is for a lot of young women struggling with themselvesI agree, there's probably a lot of fujos who had a queer enjoyment of BL that helped them. But I still get triggered because it still sounds like trying to justify via that sort of idpol language. It's an interesting idea to analysis fujoshi and female fandom from afar with, but to justify the existence of fujoshi with it is sad. My moral crusade is against that sort of thinking lmao.
Super straight fujos who just wants to see hot bishies being smexy together and think lesbians are gross are my fujosisters, even as a bisexual. Them wanting to ship together two hot anime boys they like has nothing to do with queer women but also it's okay just to be horny. Actually fetishism doesn't matter, everything is fetishism. The only justification we should ever need is 'it's fun'.
No.524
>>482so generally what's the culture like in those sapces, according to lc anons, russians fujos are much less autistic and spergy
No.525
>>379>tfw the "liberals" are more moralfags than christcucksWhat went wrong?
No.526
>>485Its called separating fiction from reality, If my son. younger brother or even male acquaintance was gay and being discriminated against, I would fight for their rights with all my heart, that said I just find most gay men annoying
I'm sorry what do you want me to say, I don't hate them or anything, Its just their sense of humor, behavior, mannerism are all just infuriating and dumb
No.527
>>521singapoor here, frankly i rarely interact with my local fujo. since most of singapoor fujo camouflage a lot with western fujo.
i am active on my fb anymore. AFAIk most singapoor fujo is there apparently.
and most of my friends is either european or latina. from what i know, most weeb scene here more or less like usual weeb scene and doesn't have SJWshit.
i barely interact with fandom nowadays and mostly just circlejerk with my discord friend and on 4chan.
i avoid social media for the sake of my sanity.
No.528
>>527*i am not active on fb.
sorry typo.
No.530
>>505>or Latin AmericaSpeaking of, any other spic sisters here? I know the majority of spanish speaking fujos are HUGE degenerates (at least from what I remember) but I barely interact with people who speak my language, and a lot of spanish-speakers these days are actually "living in america all my life but my parents are latino so I definitely count as one" who have been brainwashed by mutt ideology too.
I feel a bit weird myself too because I never even remotely talk in spanish at all, my life would be easier if I did but it's hard to find actual spic degenerates lately
No.532
>>516I just realised this mindset was repeated all over again when Jibaku shounen Hanako-kun came out and a bunch of western fans were huffing the copium hard to pretend the author isn't an obvious shotacon.
No.533
>>532I haven't read that manga, is it good? It did give me the same vibe as Black Butler and that one manga about Loki being banned to earth/Midgard, becoming a little boy and solving murder mysteries just by the covers alone.
No.534
>>533I'm not fully caught up with it right now as I only started reading when the anime aired and people pointed out the anime adaptation cut out some content and when I caught up at that time I didn't stick with it, but I enjoyed what I read. In a general sense it's a supernatural monster of the week mystery story and I like that sort of stuff.
No.536
>>518>most of normies in fandom simply think it just people like weirdo fetish thing & just ignore lolisho lover. What are you talking about? No normie thinks that when they see lolicon or shotacon porn. If I showed a shotacon doujin to my normie coworkers they would call the cops on me or at least think I'm a demented pervert. Plenty of fellow weebs and other geeks think lolisho is gross too, as an oldfag I don't remember it ever being socially accepted even in the old internet of the 00's. There has never been a time when drawn toddler porn was something people thought was acceptable, I clearly recall Kodomo no Jikan being considered disgusting neckbeard pedo bait when it came out in 2007. Sebaciel is a shota ship by semantics but in practice it's a different setting from a fat bastard raping a 10-year old doujin, especially when Yana toed the line and made it as far detached from reality as possible.
No.537
>>536When anons say that shota was accepted a decade ago, they mean shit like Black Butler and cutesy male characters, not R18 ultra explicit shota porn. Do you remember the whole drama with Omocat releasing a tshirt with "shota" written on it? People thought it meant Omocat was a pedo because to them shota is only a gross pedo porn genre, and people who defended her went with the "character stereotype" meaning of the word so in theory it would have been inoffensive and meant "cute young manlet".
No.538
>>536no one talking about shota porn anon, we all know there's a lot of people hate lolisho stuff but its not too militant like today fandom climate. even then, in the past people still just think lolisho as 'cute anime kids character' & even people who dislike it sometime use that term to refer any anime chara looks like kids.
>If I showed a shotacon doujin to my normie coworkers they would call the cops on me or at least think I'm a demented pervertJesus Christ, no one in their right mind would show any porn to their coworker, why the fuck you jump into that conclusion?
No.539
>>431>>432>>433>>437>>438>>439>>452>>453>>487>>496>>502>>514from what i got is that moid, radfem, tranny, sjw & antis hate fujos, therefore I will hate all of them equally. same with yumes who hate fujos
People who hate & attacking fujo are all my enemies. No discrimination.
Thanks for giving clearer picture who is my enemy.
(samefagging and sperging about "radfems".) No.579
>>523[Tsubahaku Pieta (Akino Mori)] Gikei Ryoujoku | Brother-in-law Assault [English] [Digital]
https://exhentai.org/g/2139076/d076e921b5/>>525they're both annoying as fuck.
No.614
>>537>When anons say that shota was accepted a decade ago, they mean shit like Black Butler and cutesy male characters, not R18 ultra explicit shota pornThere is a difference ime, I like Sebaciel as a ship while feeling no attraction to shotas, my other ships may have age gaps but don't contain any shotas. In today's climate though even to say that would get you called a shotacon and pedo in denial. When it comes to shipping I feel there is usually a different reason than an outright age fixation, not that there isn't any overlap for some people. And I'm not saying this in a "I'm so much better than the others" way, I don't feel right harassing others over fiction even when it disturbs me. That's because I only know my own experience, not theirs.
No.648
>>647Ayee I'm glad there's more of us here, I'm actually half Iraqi so I know a bit how Iraqi fujos are lol.
The Arabic comment is funnier because even that one has shit grammar lmaoooooo.
I have no interest in Shota but I'm curious what character was the drawing of for her to decide to leave you a comment
No.653
>>648hhhhhh i can't tell who the character is since it would easily give out who i am since they are very obscure, though the drawing wasn't sexual and only had him sitting on the floor with a little smug on his face, im interested, where do you meet other fujos? the only one i met was from my high school back then here in iraq
No.655
>>653>where do you meet other fujos?Like many, I am not allowed outside of the house most of the time and especially when I was in high-school, I met most of my middle eastern fujo friends in yaoi sites such as nice yaoi or yaoi kings. Lots of Egyptians fujos there although I think most don't frequent them like they used to, that was back in 2017.
No.659
>>655> I am not allowed outside of the house most of the time i mean, is there even any worthy place to go to in this shithole aside from mall's really, we don't even have any animecon's compared to countries like kuwait (who are huge on the weebdose)
yeah, the centralization of the internet has really done a huge damage on finding spaces of of your similar interests and people, i only lurk and post content on the japanese side of twitter with other japanese fujo's who have similar tastes to me, i never go and interact with the w*stern side though for obvious reasons.
No.661
>>659>>655curry here, your case sounds very similar to the situation here as well, there is one region however which is safe from the usual bullshit
Nagaland, its one of the safest provinces in all of India and the there's a huge anime subculture over there, the people over there are racially Sino-Tibetan and not related to any ethnic groups in India, also there's a BL scene there as well
https://scroll.in/magazine/876664/in-manga-crazy-nagaland-a-young-womans-comic-series-has-made-her-a-minor-star No.783
>>530Taco fujo here. I don't really talk to other fujos from my country but there's a lot of them, we have two big conventions specifically for BL stuff.
From what I've seen, latam fujos are still stuck somewhere in the early 2010s and pretty much don't give a fuck about moralfagging. There's diverse types of fans, from those who are still into junjou romantica to those who are into webtoons or danmei. Most of them concentrate on fb groups.
I do talk with a scanlator and there seems to be a big BL scanlation scene. Mostly retranslations from english. There's only a couple of official translations. I'm always salty Spain has a ton of licenses while we only get scraps.
No.784
>>783Anglo Burger with a basic understanding of Spanish, and you guys really don't license anything that isn't Shonen. I swear I've seen more official BL in Portuguese b/c of Brazil.
No.801
I wanted to add on the modern fujo scene, as much as some would hate it, gacha life fujos will soon grow up to be the new gen of fujoshi. How does that make everyone feel? I'm indifferent about it because we weren't better than them in our baby fujo days.
No.802
>>801as long as they don't grow up to be moralfags over these sort of content its alright
No.806
these content are pretty cringy, but as long as they grow up to be proud fujos who make cute art and we get back that 2000s era of fujoposting and kicking some sense into the nu-wave of FtM's that it was just a fad they got fooled into and that they fucked up their bodies just because of feeling guilty over being called out for cartoon porn in the recent years im all up for it
No.859
>>511>a common thing to throw around at age gap pairings regardless of how they actually act.This reminds me so much of how people viewed the relationship between Hank and Connor.
No.1464
>>397>Comiket was practically elevated to the status it is now by BL enthusiast women because it was fujos who kept the whole event alive with their endless bishie comics and a very tight-knit community active in providing for each other, just like today. It wasn't until men were triggered by this change and wanted comiket only for themselves and "kick the fujos out" by doing what moids do best - drooling over literal little girl porn in the form of a lolicon anthology called Cybele. Comiket now has separate days for male and female audiences. I didn't know this but it's nice to learn that this is mirrors what happened in the west re: fangirls, Star Trek, and Kirk/Spock. Would love to read more about it.
>>400>These people are the reason you see so many fujos having to cough up a half-hearted f/f ship just to keep them off their backs. I feel called out.