/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>492
>How did you find these degenerate fujos on twitter?
Not her, but they're pretty easy to spot.

>>454
>not once have I seen a "radfem" say anything about fujos

They don't, generally speaking, but I don't think that's what >>431 meant by saying that SJWs and radfems are functionally similar. In fact, if it weren't for radical feminism, there would be no fandom social justice at all.

It all started with RaceFail '09, a now-legendary wank in the western sci-fi fandom perpetuated mostly by radfem acafen (fans who are also in academic fields, usually literature or gender studies, for those of you too young to have heard the term) on LiveJournal. While social justice-flavored grudgewanking existed before RaceFail, it was mostly brushed off as just that: grudgewanking. RaceFail legitimized these kinds of attacks, proved their effectiveness, and brought them to the forefront of fandom consciousness. It was the first major instance of targeted harassment campaigns as well as what would later be called 'cancelling.'

Now, as you might have guessed from the name, it (originally, at least) concerned portrayals of race relations in fiction both professional and fanmade, with no direct relation to BL, or even Japanese media as a whole. And indeed, many of the acafen involved were themselves slash shippers. So why bring it up? Well, you've seen the absolute state of Twitter. Fandom as a whole was quick to adopt the techniques RaceFail pioneered in the name of all kinds of Great Justice, anti-fujo sentiment among them. It's just unfortunate that it's been widely forgotten nowadays that it was the radfems who invented them, and still employ them to this day.

TL;DR Radfems and aidens is the same, just with slightly different targets (namely, each other)

>>454
>not once have I seen a "radfem" say anything about fujos
They do say that trans boys are just extremely coombrained yaoi addicted girls, but I agree with you that they're used as a boogeyman a lot.

>>502
> if it weren't for radical feminism, there would be no fandom social justice at all.

hmm i don't think blaming radical feminists for people slinging shit at one another online over fringe content is the move. like i 1000% don't think the 19 y/o (ex?)kpop fan on twitter seething at the random shota-liker she'll come across cares about radical feminism at all, or is inspired by it to do anything. she just hates pedophilia and can't understand that shota isn't real/feels it truly reflects one's real world values. it's a normie thing, not a "radfem" thing.

>>481
>how does the current western black butler fanbase handle sebaciel?
As other anons have said, there's not any actual sebaciel in the manga and what little fanservice it does have (for example picrel), is so vague and ambiguous that Western fans can easily brush it off as "normal father-son interactions" lol. In fact, you get called delusional or a creep if you even acknowledge these scenes for what they are: fan service. Damn you yana and your plausible deniability *shakes fist at sky*
>The author clearly wants the reader to ship it so if they get all moralfaggy about it then they might as well drop the series since it'd be "problematic" at its core
I don't really understand it but fans will twist themselves into pretzels to justify yana toboso's """"problematic"""" content kek they either turn a blind eye to the fact she used to draw literal shota porn or swear up and down that it was all in the past and she's a changed woman now lmao.
That being said most of the western side of the fandom seems to be comprised of dumb kids and or Americans so I guess this type of behaviour is to be expected. I have seen a few western fans who don't mind sebaciel at all but they're all either 25+ and or from Eastern Europe or Latin America kek

>>504
and on top of "hating pedophilia", she longs for social approval from her twitter friends. so of course she'll start an e-slapfight. it's simple.

>>505
Yana's plausible deniability is gone once you go check her body of work and find out she did a one shot shota BL with a character nearly identical to Ciel. The fans still manage to ignore that somehow.

>>502
>TL;DR Radfems and aidens is the same, just with slightly different targets (namely, each other)
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a "radfem" is. Radfems aren't puritan schizos who just hate trannies, radical feminism is a branch of feminism that advocates for the abolishment of gender roles, female sex-based rights and female liberation and independence (or in more extreme schools of thought, complete segregation) from men. The Genshin PFP waifufags who hate fujos for liking male characters and accuse them of being proto-Aidens aren't radfems, they're a different flavor of NLOGs who only want superiority over other women instead of helping them realize their full potential. The people obsessed with identity politics such as those of RaceFail are representatives of intersectionality, a movement entirely separate from radical feminism.

"Radfem" has been used as an insult to the point it's lost all its meaning and is now only used to refer to a "woman who I don't like". That's why antis are accusing proshippers of being "terfs" and proshippers are accusing antis of being "terfs.

>>487
>are you seriously think those sjw & puriteen zoomer become puritan because for no reason?
>where do you think they get their rhetoric came from?

…they grew up in christian households and things like rape, incest, pedophilia, and etc. are social taboos – they can't tell fiction from reality so they seethe at dead dove enjoyers.

this post is messy as hell to read (you need some fucking line breaks) so i'm just gonna focus on this point here. why the hell are you trying to push all the blame on feminists?

>>509
Because apparently that anon has their heart set on the narrative that """radfems""" who decided sexy = bad because 4chan said terves are evil frigid bitches when anyone who has followed fandom drama with at least one eye open knows it's an accumulated result of fujos being hated in a male-dominated online environment for decades and society traditionally finding female sexuality as disgusting and something to be controlled in general. Feminists are treated as the strawman punching bag like always, nothing new there.

>>505
>normal father-son interactions
I know nothing about Black Butler, but this seems to be a common thing to throw around at age gap pairings regardless of how they actually act. One ship I have in mind has a king shota with his loyal retainer who sees him as a sort of god-like being and I just gotta wonder how spoiled these zoomers are that they see father-son here kek.

>>507
You're preaching to the choir nona kek
Western fans seem to spontaneously become illiterate/blind once you bring up yana's old work.
>>511
Makes me wonder the fuck kind of father-son relationships these fuckers have seen in order to classify the most blatantly homoerotic shit as that type of relationship

>>502
Good history. I think that was definitely one of the starting points of "criticizing" fandom activities and using trying to use "objective" moral arguments instead of 'live and let live'. "These shippers are bad because I don't like them or their ship" justifies weird harassment a lot less than "These shippers are morally evil".

>>508
I do agree with this though. I brought up pro-personal choice and anti-personal choice before, also maybe, and the Lord forgive me speaking the words, critical theory feminists. Ultimately I think the point is that it's all a mistake and allowing any sort of "the personal is political" to take over hobbies was a mistake.

>>509
>>510
I'm not that anon, but I just want to say the point in bringing up the negative effects of fandom bowing to feminism isn't a criticism of feminism, it's a criticism of 'the personal is political' and injecting that into hobbies and fandoms.
Men affect culture as a whole (and yeah, shit on us, which I said here >>437 and turn anti-personal choice feminists in Anita into the mouthpieces of 'the female audience' so much that she, and people who politically agree with her, are the female "sensitivity" readers who change and edit media for "women") but lmao blaming them for female fandom turning into a terrible hellhole is a cope. Men didn't ruin fujoshi and female fandom, young women did.
I think specifically bringing up radfem as a boogeyman is a little of a bad look (I think of radfem as a big umbrella), but it's so obvious to see how turning fandom into some loser pathetic thing that self-justifies itself via queer feminist academic ~queer women exploring queer bodies outside the heteronormative male gaze~ language is something that helped create this atmosphere. And when you see proshippers still clinging desperately to it, trying to turn it around on them with "ACTUALLY, you're the ones who aren't feminist enough for hating queer women exploring their sexuality!!!", it's just pathetic.

>>511
>I just gotta wonder how spoiled these zoomers are that they see father-son here
Either spoiled, or have no reference. I think a lot of these terminally online fandom police actually don't have much parental guidance in their life and hence don't know what the fuck they're talking about or the implications of what they're saying.

They're also incredibly insular and both unwilling and unable to do something like look outside of their personal bubble, let alone their modern western pov to understand a historical or fantasy setting in a story. Like even without looking at it from a shipping perspective, a young king with an older follower who worships him is not even remotely a parent-child relationship, but since understanding the characters in the context of their setting is impossible for them they default to the only close child-adult relationship they can personally relate to which is parental.

>>481
>I consoom Black Butler critically
>I ship sebaciel critically
>Here's my essay on why I think Black Butler is problematic but how I combat it by kinning Ciel
It's pure copium on their part.

>>514
Personally I think there's a lot of truth to the "yaoi was my kweer awakening" discourse, in Japan a lot of fujos are lesbians and like mentioned upthread the whole genre was created by them pretty much as they found a way to write stories for other women without men slathering their cocks all over it. I definitely learned to explore my own sexuality with BL as it wasn't tainted with expectations placed on me as a woman seeing how it's an all-male setting.

That said, the main problem in today's political climate it's not woke enough to say that it's a helpful tool for *women* to have a sexual awakening. Women are naturally considered second class citizens, especially when it comes to their sexual needs, so you have to turn it into a variant of "Kuroshitsuji made me realize I'm a gay trans man and antis are terfs for denying other potential transmasc eggs that experience!!!" instead of intelligibly having a conversation about what a beacon of hope BL is for a lot of young women struggling with themselves. However to my understanding the purity culture overall came from a mix of identity politics gaining more popularity in the early 10's after events during Occupy Wall Street made it mainstream in 2011 and also the "anti-bullying" measures, you couldn't just "not like" something because that made you seem immature and close minded, you had to come up with a moral reason to spur outrage over to justify your subjective feelings.

>>502
ah i remember this a bit, i see some peopple in LJ talk about this.
exactly! radfem were the foundation of fandom social justice, those sjw & puriteen simply take their ideology/belief but they twisted it to fit with their own personal agenda. their tactic is very similar but just with different cover.

>>504
anon, we all know normie hate lolishota but even then, in the past they arent that violence. most of normies in fandom simply think it just people like weirdo fetish thing & just ignore lolisho lover.

>>509
>they grew up in christian households and things like rape, incest, pedophilia, and etc. are social taboos – they can't tell fiction from reality so they seethe at dead dove enjoyers.
and you think most of degenerate fujo also doesnt come from same environment? Almost of them are. yet they can tell fiction & reality, in the past it was even encouraged to liking those problematic shit & nothing happen at all.
where did i say i push the blame on feminist? i am only blaming the radfem one & criticizing modern feminist who's puritanical & sex negative. this anon >>514 say it better than i do.

>>510
lol fuck off, do you think i blame radfem for no basis? literally there's a lot anon who bring up about it because they experienced it & aware of it. im not the only one, faggot.
do you seriously cant handle that the fact that feminist, a WOMEN have the ability to put down other women? go read feminist history, kids. There's so much infighting & they're not hesitate to put other women down. continue let moid live rent-free in your head while mostly they dont give a shit about us & while they love to shit on us, it be never the reason, why current female dominated fandom space become hellhole like this.

also i agree with other anon who bring up sometime radfem used as boogeyman in proship space. but its undeniable, radfem had huge impact in current puritanical fandom climate. Like other anon point out, politicization of fandom is a fucking BIG mistake.

>>517
NTA, but i am understand that. i actually doesnt mind with fujoshi discussion through feminism & queer lens, as long it just for analyzing the social aspect of them. but what i dislike is how people (esp troon & woke fujo) try to make it like fujo is some sort of queer-feminist moevement.
i am also realized about my sexuality thanks for reading BL but i am not gonna make it like some pseudo-intellectual bullshit, like current fandom make it be.
yeah, i see it a lot of young kids nowadays when they make hot takes they bring up some convoluted woke reason when the real reason is they simply dont like it. i fucking hate western fandom spaces so much.

is there any SEAnigger fujo here?
i'm curious with how fujo scene on other SEA country looks like.

I'm indog, most fujo here is pretty diverse i'd say. there's a lot kpop fujos, animay fujos, capeshit fujo, etc.
in fb so far its comfy & chill, still act like 2010'sh fujo scene.
on twitter its pretty divided there's fujo who infested with westerncuck mindset & some involved in discourse.
but otherwise things not that bad, since there's still a lot sane fujo who love to dunk puritan zoomer.

what about other SEAfujo here?

>>517
>the "anti-bullying" measures, you couldn't just "not like" something because that made you seem immature and close minded, you had to come up with a moral reason to spur outrage over to justify your subjective feelings.
I don't think I've ever considered that connection to anti-bullying before. Interesting. I've always connected it becoming mainstream through a marriage between men-hating-female-media and that type of pop culture feminine-media-hating feminist critique. Romcoms are sexist, Twilight is abusive, etc. I have a general fascination with feminine media which maybe others on here don't share haha.

>it's not woke enough to say that it's a helpful tool for *women* to have a sexual awakening. […] instead of intelligibly having a conversation about what a beacon of hope BL is for a lot of young women struggling with themselves
I agree, there's probably a lot of fujos who had a queer enjoyment of BL that helped them. But I still get triggered because it still sounds like trying to justify via that sort of idpol language. It's an interesting idea to analysis fujoshi and female fandom from afar with, but to justify the existence of fujoshi with it is sad. My moral crusade is against that sort of thinking lmao.
Super straight fujos who just wants to see hot bishies being smexy together and think lesbians are gross are my fujosisters, even as a bisexual. Them wanting to ship together two hot anime boys they like has nothing to do with queer women but also it's okay just to be horny. Actually fetishism doesn't matter, everything is fetishism. The only justification we should ever need is 'it's fun'.

>>379
sauce?

>>482
so generally what's the culture like in those sapces, according to lc anons, russians fujos are much less autistic and spergy

>>379
>tfw the "liberals" are more moralfags than christcucks

What went wrong?

>>485
Its called separating fiction from reality, If my son. younger brother or even male acquaintance was gay and being discriminated against, I would fight for their rights with all my heart, that said I just find most gay men annoying
I'm sorry what do you want me to say, I don't hate them or anything, Its just their sense of humor, behavior, mannerism are all just infuriating and dumb

>>521
singapoor here, frankly i rarely interact with my local fujo. since most of singapoor fujo camouflage a lot with western fujo.
i am active on my fb anymore. AFAIk most singapoor fujo is there apparently.
and most of my friends is either european or latina. from what i know, most weeb scene here more or less like usual weeb scene and doesn't have SJWshit.
i barely interact with fandom nowadays and mostly just circlejerk with my discord friend and on 4chan.
i avoid social media for the sake of my sanity.

>>527
*i am not active on fb.
sorry typo.

>>505
>or Latin America
Speaking of, any other spic sisters here? I know the majority of spanish speaking fujos are HUGE degenerates (at least from what I remember) but I barely interact with people who speak my language, and a lot of spanish-speakers these days are actually "living in america all my life but my parents are latino so I definitely count as one" who have been brainwashed by mutt ideology too.
I feel a bit weird myself too because I never even remotely talk in spanish at all, my life would be easier if I did but it's hard to find actual spic degenerates lately

>>516
I just realised this mindset was repeated all over again when Jibaku shounen Hanako-kun came out and a bunch of western fans were huffing the copium hard to pretend the author isn't an obvious shotacon.

>>532
I haven't read that manga, is it good? It did give me the same vibe as Black Butler and that one manga about Loki being banned to earth/Midgard, becoming a little boy and solving murder mysteries just by the covers alone.

>>533
I'm not fully caught up with it right now as I only started reading when the anime aired and people pointed out the anime adaptation cut out some content and when I caught up at that time I didn't stick with it, but I enjoyed what I read. In a general sense it's a supernatural monster of the week mystery story and I like that sort of stuff.

>>518
>most of normies in fandom simply think it just people like weirdo fetish thing & just ignore lolisho lover.
What are you talking about? No normie thinks that when they see lolicon or shotacon porn. If I showed a shotacon doujin to my normie coworkers they would call the cops on me or at least think I'm a demented pervert. Plenty of fellow weebs and other geeks think lolisho is gross too, as an oldfag I don't remember it ever being socially accepted even in the old internet of the 00's. There has never been a time when drawn toddler porn was something people thought was acceptable, I clearly recall Kodomo no Jikan being considered disgusting neckbeard pedo bait when it came out in 2007. Sebaciel is a shota ship by semantics but in practice it's a different setting from a fat bastard raping a 10-year old doujin, especially when Yana toed the line and made it as far detached from reality as possible.

>>536
When anons say that shota was accepted a decade ago, they mean shit like Black Butler and cutesy male characters, not R18 ultra explicit shota porn. Do you remember the whole drama with Omocat releasing a tshirt with "shota" written on it? People thought it meant Omocat was a pedo because to them shota is only a gross pedo porn genre, and people who defended her went with the "character stereotype" meaning of the word so in theory it would have been inoffensive and meant "cute young manlet".

>>536
no one talking about shota porn anon, we all know there's a lot of people hate lolisho stuff but its not too militant like today fandom climate. even then, in the past people still just think lolisho as 'cute anime kids character' & even people who dislike it sometime use that term to refer any anime chara looks like kids.

>If I showed a shotacon doujin to my normie coworkers they would call the cops on me or at least think I'm a demented pervert
Jesus Christ, no one in their right mind would show any porn to their coworker, why the fuck you jump into that conclusion?

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>>514
from what i got is that moid, radfem, tranny, sjw & antis hate fujos, therefore I will hate all of them equally. same with yumes who hate fujos

People who hate & attacking fujo are all my enemies. No discrimination.

Thanks for giving clearer picture who is my enemy.(samefagging and sperging about "radfems".)

>>523
[Tsubahaku Pieta (Akino Mori)] Gikei Ryoujoku | Brother-in-law Assault [English] [Digital]
https://exhentai.org/g/2139076/d076e921b5/

>>525
they're both annoying as fuck.

>>537
>When anons say that shota was accepted a decade ago, they mean shit like Black Butler and cutesy male characters, not R18 ultra explicit shota porn
There is a difference ime, I like Sebaciel as a ship while feeling no attraction to shotas, my other ships may have age gaps but don't contain any shotas. In today's climate though even to say that would get you called a shotacon and pedo in denial. When it comes to shipping I feel there is usually a different reason than an outright age fixation, not that there isn't any overlap for some people. And I'm not saying this in a "I'm so much better than the others" way, I don't feel right harassing others over fiction even when it disturbs me. That's because I only know my own experience, not theirs.

>>446
>>441
iraqi fujo here, im surprised there's more of us out there? i have barely met any fujo's from the middle east,have this funny comment i recieved on a fanart i did of a shota character i like

>>647
Ayee I'm glad there's more of us here, I'm actually half Iraqi so I know a bit how Iraqi fujos are lol.
The Arabic comment is funnier because even that one has shit grammar lmaoooooo.
I have no interest in Shota but I'm curious what character was the drawing of for her to decide to leave you a comment

>>648
hhhhhh i can't tell who the character is since it would easily give out who i am since they are very obscure, though the drawing wasn't sexual and only had him sitting on the floor with a little smug on his face, im interested, where do you meet other fujos? the only one i met was from my high school back then here in iraq

>>653
>where do you meet other fujos?
Like many, I am not allowed outside of the house most of the time and especially when I was in high-school, I met most of my middle eastern fujo friends in yaoi sites such as nice yaoi or yaoi kings. Lots of Egyptians fujos there although I think most don't frequent them like they used to, that was back in 2017.

>>655
> I am not allowed outside of the house most of the time
i mean, is there even any worthy place to go to in this shithole aside from mall's really, we don't even have any animecon's compared to countries like kuwait (who are huge on the weebdose)
yeah, the centralization of the internet has really done a huge damage on finding spaces of of your similar interests and people, i only lurk and post content on the japanese side of twitter with other japanese fujo's who have similar tastes to me, i never go and interact with the w*stern side though for obvious reasons.

>>659
>>655
curry here, your case sounds very similar to the situation here as well, there is one region however which is safe from the usual bullshit
Nagaland, its one of the safest provinces in all of India and the there's a huge anime subculture over there, the people over there are racially Sino-Tibetan and not related to any ethnic groups in India, also there's a BL scene there as well

https://scroll.in/magazine/876664/in-manga-crazy-nagaland-a-young-womans-comic-series-has-made-her-a-minor-star

>>530
Taco fujo here. I don't really talk to other fujos from my country but there's a lot of them, we have two big conventions specifically for BL stuff.
From what I've seen, latam fujos are still stuck somewhere in the early 2010s and pretty much don't give a fuck about moralfagging. There's diverse types of fans, from those who are still into junjou romantica to those who are into webtoons or danmei. Most of them concentrate on fb groups.
I do talk with a scanlator and there seems to be a big BL scanlation scene. Mostly retranslations from english. There's only a couple of official translations. I'm always salty Spain has a ton of licenses while we only get scraps.

>>783
Anglo Burger with a basic understanding of Spanish, and you guys really don't license anything that isn't Shonen. I swear I've seen more official BL in Portuguese b/c of Brazil.

I wanted to add on the modern fujo scene, as much as some would hate it, gacha life fujos will soon grow up to be the new gen of fujoshi. How does that make everyone feel? I'm indifferent about it because we weren't better than them in our baby fujo days.

>>801
as long as they don't grow up to be moralfags over these sort of content its alright

>>802
>grow up to be moralfags
I highly doubt it with the type of content they make lol

these content are pretty cringy, but as long as they grow up to be proud fujos who make cute art and we get back that 2000s era of fujoposting and kicking some sense into the nu-wave of FtM's that it was just a fad they got fooled into and that they fucked up their bodies just because of feeling guilty over being called out for cartoon porn in the recent years im all up for it

>>511
>a common thing to throw around at age gap pairings regardless of how they actually act.
This reminds me so much of how people viewed the relationship between Hank and Connor.

>>397
>Comiket was practically elevated to the status it is now by BL enthusiast women because it was fujos who kept the whole event alive with their endless bishie comics and a very tight-knit community active in providing for each other, just like today. It wasn't until men were triggered by this change and wanted comiket only for themselves and "kick the fujos out" by doing what moids do best - drooling over literal little girl porn in the form of a lolicon anthology called Cybele. Comiket now has separate days for male and female audiences.
I didn't know this but it's nice to learn that this is mirrors what happened in the west re: fangirls, Star Trek, and Kirk/Spock. Would love to read more about it.

>>400
>These people are the reason you see so many fujos having to cough up a half-hearted f/f ship just to keep them off their backs.
I feel called out.