No.93
>>89I don't have any images to share but I wanted to contribute by adding something:
I think it's funny that people are mad that we like something. Fujos don't care about real people - we care about fictional 2D characters ( or fictional characters played by actors in a live action) that we really well know that sometimes they are thropes that don't happen in real life.
Instead of them telling us to stop watching/reading things we enjoy and were created for a main fujo audience, why don't they stop watching/reading shows that weren't made for them and don't enjoy and go to a genre that they preffer? Censoring someone's interests just because they don't align with yours doesn't sound good.
The fujo fandom is a very closed one, and we never go to other fandoms just to criticise, then why do they force their opinions in a fondom they aren't in?
Also I don't get how they say that we fetishize real MLM while we do that to only fictional characters (I don't really want to use the word fetishize because I don't see it that way, but since I'm not a native English speaker I can't find a more fitting subtitute, sorry!) Real men are too gross to be romantized or fetishized anyway hahaha.
Sorry if it doesn't fit in this thread, have good day nonnas.
No.94
>>93>things we enjoy and were created for a main fujoI meant thing we enjoy that were created for a main fujo audience.
Also forgot to mention that I'm speaking only for myself, some other anonettes here might not see it this way.
No.95
>>93>we do that to only fictional characters>Real men are too gross to be romantized or fetishized anywayTo be fair, there are a lot of real person shippers out there, whom I don't understand for the reasons you stated. Honestly, I don't even like live action movies and shows myself.
No.97
>>96The way this scrote wrote everything makes me want to throw up and yet he thinks we care about him.
That's one of the biggest reasons why I stick to fictional anime boys.
No.98
>>97>scroteNot to whiteknight gay scrotes but I can guarantee you that the creature that typed that isn't actually male.
No.99
>>97>>98Yeah I'm 99% sure it's a TiF
No.104
>>101I hate that the anti fujoshi side changed from shitosts made by 14 year olds on DA that hate yaoi because they find it gross/not cannon, to a grand woke dick sucking contest.
Old anti fujo pictures were immature and dumb, but they were funny and there was something innocent about them. While some people posted itt are genuinely angry and act like they are losing sleep over a complete non-issue.
No.105
the irony of the many tifs that are anti-fujo, when the majority of them "discovered" they were "gay males" thru yaoi and fanfic … that's you honey !!
No.107
>>105Some tifs actually have the opposite point of view and will say shit like "you can't insult fujoshi because what if they're closeted transbois who explore their gender identity through BL manga?", I wish I were making this up.
No.108
Samefagging but these bitches who think reading gay Japanese comics about handsome men with dicks and balls means we fetishize their ugly asses would know, if they had gay male friends or even acquaintances, that gay men usually don't give a fuck if you read BL manga or don't even know what it is, or they will even encourage it if they're weebs. Like seriously, I've known too may gay weaboos debating with me online and irl over gay pairings and what BL manga they'd recommend me.
No.110
>>108do they think everyone is attracted to moids? the "???" they do when i tell them, i a lesbian, reads bl because i can't stomach yuri (transbians ruined it for me). they can't even fathom other ppl than themselves and their little cult of genderhavers.
>>107i have seen that before too. it's pathetic and it's often them who're the most vocal abt the ebil cissies reading their beloved webtoon dramas.
ngl i blame killing stalking's success for it.
No.112
>>96>sexualizing my sexualityRandomly generated text would be more coherent.
No.118
>>93This. Closest I get to real people is I ship the daft punk robots (not the actual singers) and Soraru x Mafumafu.
No.119
>>107I hate this shit more than 'FUJOS ARE FETISHIZING GAY MEN' which is quite a feat since I hate those tards as well.
There's something so disgusting about insinuating that we're mentally ill straight women who believe that they're actually gay men.
No.123
>>121Saving that last pic, it made me cackle
No.124
>>91I though most aidens were yaoi fangirls themselve?
No.126
I miss when yoai haters were just homophobic instead of this sjw bulshit.
No.127
>>123It's one of my new favorites.
>>124They are, but they pretend that they're not and are just 'uwu cute gay bois looking at rep' or some shit.
>>126I look for stamps like this on deviantart a lot.
No.131
>>127>ANTI-YAOI ALCHEMISTyeah this one made me cringe
No.132
>>93This really isn't true. It may be true here but not broadly. Real life and fiction tends to be irrelevant in the face of someone's obsession especially if they are young.
No.137
>>134>why is it so socially acceptablethese people live in lalaland or (most likely) he's larping. if a woman tells someone who isn't part of the lgbt/"queer" (i hate to use that word, but it applies) that she's into feminine dudes she's gonna get called a lesbian or something
No.148
>>146i always have to do a double-take when i see 'mlm'! in my head it always means 'multi-level marketing.' 'wlw' bothers me too, but i'm not sure what acronym i'm mistaking it for.
No.149
>>146Literally only troons say mlm and wlw, I guess it’s a cope because deep down they know they’re just straight men and women.
No.151
>>149>>146>>148i have no idea how we should even pronounced "wlw" lol, i just pronounce it welewele
No.152
>>151I pronounce it wooloowoo.
No.161
>>146i do use it when i mean to say gay and bi ppl because it's shorter. it can't be worse than achillean and sapphic..
No.163
>>146I use them because the terms “fag/homo/gay” have been bastardized by troons. according to them gay means “non woman attracted to non woman” and lesbian means “non man attracted to non man”.
No.179
>>96>>97>as a gay man>i'm a gay manIs the biggest teller that someone is, in fact, some 15 year old girl. No way in hell that typing style belongs to a dude, I can guarantee you.
No.182
>>91ayydens are truly the weakest link kek
>>118>I ship the daft punk robotsbased
No.197
>>185I like how offended he is over dog ears of all things
No.210
>>185I could swear this could be a post written by that "DISGUSTING YAOI FUJO FAGHAG FREAKS" sperg on Lolcow kek. Seeing it in the context of a Loveless review this legitimately looks like it was written by a 13-year old boy who has a Guy Fawkes mask.
No.249
>>247people who make these things have to be normies who know nothing of fujo culture. i honestly have never seen a fujoshi above the age of 16 (and even this was years ago) refer to a ship as "sin" and even then it's less because the pairing was gay and more because they were referring to a work that involved sex. i saw it with hetero pairings too.
i've especially hated this shit about fujoshi hating lesbians. what the fuck are they talking about. it was common to shove women together to have them out of the way for male ships. i get that that isn't the best reasoning for shipping anything but it's not like we were going "ew, lesbian!" and just not making any femslash content.
No.250
>>248i'm cringe myself for seething at this but what the hell. putting arguments on a bingo card doesn't mkae them bad arguments. and why do these ""people"" want everyone to cater to everybody so they can mark a little "representation" box off their lists. retards
No.251
>>247I've never saw any proud fujos using the word femboy before.
No.252
>>248>50% sex 50% angstThat's literally one of the best type of fanfic there is, these people don't know what's good.
I also like how they act like fujos desperately want to be lgbt allies, when most older fujos couldn't give a fuck about that.
They are probably the only group that makes gay media without virtue signaling, and it makes twitter ingrates fucking seethe. No.253
>>247>Hating m/f shipsliterally nothing wrong with that, in fact it should be encouraged
No.254
>>248>top/bottom discourseThe best kind of discourse
>50% sex 50% angstThe best
>m/m slash is a safe space for womenIndeed
>8th graderRelatable, middle school was definitely a fujoshi awakening
No.255
>>247>irl mlm relationshipsOpinion discarded, whoever made this bingo has no braincells left within them.
No.256
>>251They project moid behaviour onto us
No.257
>>248 >>247
It's not fujo's faults that women in fiction can have a tendency to be either a) for the male-gaze with fat tits and no brains, or b) are lacking any kind of real substance and are boring as hell. I don't care about cardboard cut-outs or vapid love interests, nor do I care for taking said bland characters and shoving them together for some kind of weak "wlw representation".
Why would I give cookie-cutter girls a second glance when I could enjoy the much more interesting dynamic between two male characters who get to have real personalities
No.258
>>248>praise kinkKek, out of all the fetishes out there, why single that one out?
No.260
>>258Respect and appreciation during sex is too much of an abstract concept for these specimens. Real pickme hours.
No.261
>>258They're not used to receiving even the most basic compliments so they think it's abnormal, and thus a fetish.
No.267
>>249like lesbians can't be fujos too lol
No.268
>>262this person is so stupid thinking THEY in particular are being fetishized when they're probably some fakeboi and not at all a cute 2d bishie
No.271
>>268actual gay men don't care about women watching lesbian porn. i know this as someone who used to ask about it a lot on certain reddit subs; if i did see someone telling me it could eventually become "fetishization" it was a he/they fakeboi. they're so insane
>>267fr
No.272
>>257>Why would I give cookie-cutter girls a second glance when I could enjoy the much more interesting dynamic between two male characters who get to have real personalitiesso true. i tend to hate tropes like "femme fatale" and "manic pixie dream girl" for this reason. like they still revolve around a male.
No.277
>>275>>276I hate trannies so much
No.280
>>273All the fujos I know still act like it's 2005, the ones who are like social justice warriors are the ones againts fujoshis.
No.281
>>280This to be honest, at least the shitty part of the fujo community is now easily separated by those who consider themselves an aiden
No.284
>>273in ten years, the only thing that improved was their vocabulary.
No.307
>>306Is this from lolcow? I see a lot of retards reeeing about fujo shit over there lately. I wonder if it's the same person. I can't imagine what kind of total fucking loser wastes their time screeching on image boards about this sort of thing. Moid or schizo homophobe-chan?
No.308
>>248>Doesn't write romance without sexBased
>Doesn't follow lgbt+ newsWhat even are "lgbt+ news"?
>someone moaning means consentKek what?
>"I can't fetishize mlm bc I'm asexual"Snooze
>Has no concept of pacing in writingNot a fujo problem
>omegaverseBased
>Proud to be a fujoshiBased
>"I write slash to express my sexuality"Based
>Praise kinkOh no, what a degenerate
>Top/Bottom discourseAren't anti-fujos the people constantly bitching about top/bottom roles?
>"I just can't relate to f/f ships like m/m or m/f"What fujo likes only m/m and m/f to be fair? Usually it's m/m and f/f or only m/m. f/f is sexualized male gaze garbage 99% of the time so understandable
>top is older than bottomBased
>wtf is a lesbianMost likely a fujo kek
>only ships m/m and m/fAgain, what kind of fujos has this person met?
>General text posts with 100 gay ships taggedWhat does this even mean?
>"I'm so awkward haha"Not a fujo problem
>"But it's in character for him to be overly sexual!"Yeah?
>basically self-insertNot a fujo problem
>anti-antiBased
>"hate of any kind is not tolerated on my blog"So wanting a peaceful space is… nasty disgusting fujo behavior?
>8th graderNot a fujo problem
>sinI don't get it
>"I'm a lgbtqia ally!"What a crime right?
>50% sex 50% angstBased
>"m/m slash is a safe space for women"Based and truthpilled
I can't even figure out if this was made by a moid or a really edgy teenage NLOG to be honest, it has this specific autistic energy to it that tries to be witty and funny but isn't observant enough to produce good satire.
No.309
>"m/m slash is a safe space for women"
this is literally a fact, one of the easiest way to get rid of scrotes in a fandom. inb4 someone comes with muh otome, it's common for scrotes to watch shoujo or someone even play those type of games because they like the romance/story aspect of it and it's het so they can project on the male love interest
No.310
>>276god this one hurts so fucking much. i feel like everyone is a tranny these days
No.311
>>308holy shit i've never seen so many correct takes in one post.
No.312
>>307Yeah it's from lolcow. There's been some really obsessed anti-fujo going around vomiting this psychotic word salad all over the place like their life depended on it, going ballistic and samefagging every time fujos are mentioned. And it happens like clockwork in every thread and it's clearly the same anon because the writing style is extremely recognizable. Talk about rent free.
No.313
>>312i love this kind of fujo schizoposting because they're basically shouting to the world that they want a fujo gf but they know they can't compete with superior 2D men, so they just make fun of fujos instead.
No.314
>>308Actually why do these people treat love stories with sex scenes as bad? I get not being into that kind of scenes at all but let's be real, a lot of BL manga have realistic settings and involve normal grown men, and grown adults who are in a romantic relationship will most likely want to have sex together from time to time. It's normal to be physically attracted to the person you love, I guess they can't relate to that being they're 12 years old teenagers.
>What fujo likes only m/m and m/f to be fair?I have a hard time being in F/F pairings because as soon as I start seeing a possibility between two female characters weirdos automatically ruin it. Either straight nerdy guys who act like pigs or ayyydens and political (fake) lesbians who try to start ship wars with everyone and everything.
>>General text posts with 100 gay ships tagged>What does this even mean?I think that references tumblr. You'll sometimes have someone posting a very short and simple text post like "tfw your OTP is cute and should be canon" and the list of tags is just a bunch of completely unrelated pairings from literally any series, books, movies, games, etc. because they're popular pairings. It's really not the end of the world, I guess whoever made this bingo card doesn't like this kind of posts, but it's such a specific problem I forgot it was even a thing. To answer your last question, it's 100% made by a stupid teenage girl just based on that.
>>sin>I don't get itThese retards don't get that we used to make jokes about committing sins by reading gay fanfics because a lot of BL (drawn or written) is pornographic, but even without that it's very similar to that "handholding out of wedlock is bad!!!" joke. They legit think teenage fujoshi called themselves sinners because anything gay is a sin. No idea if they're projecting or if they're surrounded by religious homophobes so they're way too paranoid and take silly jokes seriously.
No.318
>>317I already asked her if she were that anon who would sometimes sperg about her favorite Merlin ship because it's a black woman and a blond, blue-eyed guy and she was supposedly bullied by fujoshi who shipped that blond guy with the MC. She was self-inserting in the black female character because she's black too and would endlessly sperg about how she can barely self-insert into most characters because they don't date cute guys on-screen or something like that. But she didn't answer and since /m/'s old thread have disappeared until further notice I can't even give you an example of who I'm talking about exactly.
No.320
I remeber a black anon in LC that complained about some fujos shipping and making comments, when she was present, of her withe hockey player bf with his teammates when they got closer.
Also said that Hated RPF m/m Hockey fanfics because they erase the irl black/POC girlfriends of the players or smth, that all fujos are racists and they have to let alone her and the POC gfs of these dudes.
(She was replying to that Merlin anon)
No.322
>>320I remember her too but her story with the hockey players was a bit confusing to me so the Merlin fan was easier to remember.
No.331
>>323Why has headcannoning characters as trans become the "accepted norm" on sites like twitter? I honestly don't give a shit if people identify as trans or whatever, but it's the literal worst thing to see a fanfic or even worse "art" of your ship with one of the characters being trans. And it's almost always just trannies projecting their mental illness onto the character. But if you point this out, you'll get called transphobic etc.
Is it even possible to find "normal" people on twitter at this point? I just use the site to follow artists and like art because it seems genuinely hard to find someone I'd get along with there.
No.332
>>331I hate it too. I guess it's some reverse psychology thing in by making trans headcanons "normal", trans issues and trans related shit in general will be more accepted or normalized I guess.
I mostly hate it because 99% of the time it's pure projection and people self-inserting way too hard on to characters to the point they forget ANYONE can like the characters so they aren't "yours"
No.335
>>317Please post more of these, I've never laughed this much in my life
No.337
>>323both sides are annoying as fuck
>this ship is really important to a lot of fansgirl shut up idgaf about those faggots
No.341
>>340>fujoshis enjoying nbNobody's enjoying nonbinary shit
>N no having neopronouns doesn't means ur not cis!!!The incomprehensible and incredibly specific problems these people make for themselves, wow
No.342
>>340Why… why were they looking at minor's accounts? That Venti pfp is kinda sussy.
No.343
>>340>n no having neopronouns doesn't means ur not cisi love how they just arbitrarily assign rules to their own made-up bullshit. zoomers are so retarded
No.344
>>342i was searching for fujoshi related things on twitter and stumbled upon this tweet
No.346
>>345i think that's a genuine fujoshi behind that account, the tweets come off like someone who knows all the classic BL games, memes, and overall nostalgic stuff. It's funny either way
No.347
>>345I'd unironically read comics just for the fujo freak if she were an official character, DC if you're reading this you know what to do.
No.348
>>318That's most of the Lolcow's anti-fujo spergs in a nutshell to be honest, self-insert shippers who lose their minds over fujo ships because they consider the sheer existence as "misogynist bullying". Your story explains why she was having a wacky meltdown about "fujos hating seeing other women happy because they hate themselves and don't want anyone else to suck scrote dick either reeee!!!!" for like 3 days straight though.
>>340To be fair it's just ship wars but with a political discourse twist. What would've been unhinged bitches on the internet throwing temper tantrums over their NOTP and posting cringey "SAY NO TO YAOI FANGIRLS!!!" stamps on their deviantart profile in 2006 is now either a fae/faeself gendernull diagnosed autist hating posers or a k-pop idol avatar FDS larper/polilez sperg hating gay people that aren't pinterest cottagecore lesbians. Love that Venti PFP though, I have my grubby fujo freak hands all over him and xe can't do anything about it.
No.349
>>340>if yall not mlm/nblmSo all I gotta do is say I'm nonbinary and I can continue on enjoying yaoi as usual?
>neopronouns doesn't means ur not cisDamn, foiled again.
No.350
>>340i was going to joke about how this is like saying only koreans are allowed to be kpop fans, then i remembered i've actually seen people argue that before.
No.352
>>345they made a tweet praising hamlet machine in a way that didn't seem rude (check their media tab) so i'll assume it's a fujo
No.364
>>349>So all I gotta do is say I'm nonbinary and I can continue on enjoying yaoi as usual?I've honestly been tempted to do this to avoid "omg fujoshis don't interact!! people".
Seems that the only acceptable way to enjoy gay porn is if you like men in a ""gender"" way (wanting to be them).
No.365
>>307lolcow is so infested with SJWs and zoomers that it doesn't surprise me they'd cry about fujos for their reputation for liking "problematic" shit.
No.368
>>365It’s probably just one or two aidens, /cgl/ is still worse
No.369
>>365I feel like ever since the creepshow drama happened lolcow has been flooded with kids and wokeys
No.376
>>373that's edited copypasta so it could just be a shitpost
No.378
>>377If you think about it, /ffs/ is like the fujo version of that board but on an intellectual level
No.388
>>387Sounds like there's a lot of projection going on here, like they were/are guilty of all this shit themself and are trying to compensate over it.
No.389
>>387I feel like being a fujoshi is so normalized
i fuckin' wish.
No.392
>>387>The problems with fujoshis come with the very definition of the word, I wish they saw thatDo these idiots not understand that
the definition –"rotten woman" –comes from men deeming women who read about gay relationships as unacceptable for marriage?
No.393
>>392these types of people have selective hearing. it's been explained to them ad nauseam but they choose to ignore it because it's not in line with their agenda.
No.394
>>392These people have no idea what self-depreciative humor and sarcasm are, they think the "rotten girl" thing is way more literal than it actually is. There's this exact same problem with fujoshi joking about committing sins because they read pornographic BL manga, and this type of retards think fujoshi are calling the gay characters sinful due to their lack of reading comprehension.
>>388If this person is a tif then that would 100% confirm that she's projecting her own stupidity on normal fujoshi.
No.396
>>387I like how say keep whining about women fetishizing gay men as if it's a literal thread to their safety LOL
No.402
>>396>"I-I-I feel so unsafe around fujoshi, they're gonna fetishize sexualize romanticize me!!1!!1"Sir you have not washed your ass in two weeks, I do not even wanna look at you
No.403
>>396Because it is. Fact: Fujoshi are the most powerful race in the world.
No.404
>>402kek
>>387>I'm sure that there are plenty of girls who deadass think that being a fujoshi is shipping mlm shipps[sic], so they call themselves fujoshis. That's so embarrassing omg.What am I missing here? This is like "imagine there being people who call themselves weebs for watching anime and appreciating the associated Japanese pop culture, don't they know weebs are actually nazis killing people omg how embarrassing!!!11". Just because you want to redefine an already existing word doesn't mean you can.
No.417
>>405Okay I'm gonna sperg. Why do they think straight fujos who arent turbo sjw lgbt allies are immediately hostile homophobes and not, you know, average about it like everyone else? Most women don't have an issue with gay men, but they have little in common with real gay men so they just live and let live. Is it homophobia now to not be a faghag crawling up peoples' asses? Non-fujo normies aren't expected to do all this performative crap, just expected to act with basic respect to gay people and it's fine. Fujos do the same and it's too little. If liking erotic content of someone now dictates you must be a champion of their cause, we could start by gatekeeping brazzers etc from moids until their worldwide rape, violent crime and domestic abuse statistics drop and it would be 10000000000000% more meaningful than anything the sjws want from fujos.
No.575
>>405i used to be the second image. but now that i'm out of #woke spaces on twitter i can admit i only hate the big-tiddy moeblob shit because i hate men and the incredibly mid shit they enjoy. it doesn't come from a political/moral place.
No.591
>>575>it doesn't come from a political/moral place.lmao
No.608
>>405The "I love smexy yaoi boys but real life homosexuals are disgusting sinners" beckies can go die in a fire but the latter one is based. If you want to talk about double standards, notice how overly sexualized and infantilized big tiddy anime girls in short skirts are instantly considered being on the same level as fully clad clearly adult looking men with barely any skin showing. And it's men being intimate with each other so you're interested in their dynamics and interactions, not some narcissistic wish fulfillment waifus that only exist to serve you a fictional girlfriend because you're too afraid of talking to real life girls. This meme is just a self-own the more I think about it.
No.650
>>649I like how several of these points take the behavior of anti-fujo groups like aidans and put the blame on fujos. It's kinda amusing how much of an undefinable boogieman fujos are.
No.651
>>649This is legitimately confusing because most of these claims are really even associated with fujos, like since when are fujos known for fucking dogs, grooming pre-teens into trooning out or hating drawn porn? Isn't the latter the whole basis of being a fujo? Traditionally the criticism centers around being "misogynistic" for liking m/m ships, spergy ship wars and other traditional female otaku traits. It's like a machine created this meme complete with the weird ESL-like sentence structure.
No.652
>>651was probably made by an autistic teenager who saw a ship they didn't like
No.654
I'm just amazed how nobody can keep the fujoshi stereotype consistent anymore. Like
>>651 said, it used to be "annoying squeeing weeaboo girls that ship anime boys together" which is rooted in reality, but once fujos came under the radar of twittertards it's always changing on a whim with no logic to it. Shits weird but I think it shows how manipulative and fake fandom discourse is now and how desperate people are to morally one-up each other for that sweet dopamine hit.
No.656
>>649Looks like it was made by someone inspired by a very specific person, or by someone who doesn't know what a fujoshi is at all.
No.657
>>651*aren't associated with fujos, thanks autocorrect
>>656It seems so, it's so oddly specific and nonsensical that it has to be about a one person in particular. The creator was proud enough of their work to attach their twitter handle as a tiny watermark but the account has been suspended so it'll forever remain a mystery who inspired this piece of art. Like a modern Mona Lisa.
No.660
>>649>mucho textothis was written by a self-hating woman/ayyden
No.663
>>662>Defining fudanshi as a man who likes yuriWhy is it always the people who know absolutely fuck-all about subcultures that feel the need to share their hot takes on them?
No.664
>>663It's why I've started using the term himedanshi to mean "general male anime fan". I've had some people genuinely get confused at it, so it's nice seeing the results of people getting a taste of their own medicine.
No.666
>>662>not at all a reflection of relationships hetrosexual or homosexual But it doesn't have to be, it's fiction. They always use this excuse all the fucking time! Non Yaoi media has even worse offenses in that department but no one says anything.
No.668
>>608>The "I love smexy yaoi boys but real life homosexuals are disgusting sinners" beckies can go die in a firerofl naw, fuck 3DPD faggot moids i hope they get skinned alive
No.670
>>669>todokarasholy fuck i remember her, haven't heard of her name since 2017, is she still around?
No.671
>>670Don't think so, so if she is she's probably under a new identity. The kf thread has some occasional updates on her but it's been slow. The biggest thing is iirc she went ftm
No.672
>>669>todokarasThat name sounds familiar…..from the tumblr and maybe early decent twitter days…..I never kept up with any drama though oh my god how did I miss that.
>Grooming minors may be a reference to kalematsuba/yaoigoddeskeale.kale did WHAT
No.688
>>686>falling in love with someone in your age range when you're also a minorOh, that's not so ba-
>went stalker mode and it was onlinejeezas….
I think I also remember being in one of those chats with her while she was streaming through it on tumblr I believe. I think I suggested she use a different art streaming website and I was nice about it and said she didn't have to but she got offended and started being condescending. Hormones really fuck with your brain, don't they
No.695
Please someone tell me they doxxed the homothread shitter already
No.696
>>695>the homothread shitter?
No.701
>>649>Has worn the same hoodie since age 12This is def Aiden projection, most fujos I'm friends with (as well as myself) are pretty fashionable, being into VW stuff.
No.729
>>725I remember this. I think the artist had some hangups.
I also remember a comment saying "wait, aren't "famndom moms" on the anti shipping side of things?"
No.731
>>725>le pedo le porn of kid link with a bonerthats awfully specific and lots of projection
>cishet/painfully straightamericano please
No.740
Dunno if this counts
>>725Just makes me want to adopt the "fandom mom" couple
No.741
>>725I got bingo multiple times lol
No.744
>>742replace "fujoshi" with "ftm" and it will make sense. this was probably made by a terf to call troons out
No.745
>>742I tried to fill it out in all honestly, maybe a bit emotionally manipulative but only to get away from danger
since family is hecking toxic so I didn't check it.
>white americanNo way sweaty, just the ones in your closed off bubble.
We should make a fujochan bingo, that would be fun. would be more accurate.
>>743agreed. I would switch their personalities but keep the big guy as the seme, vice versa works as well.
No.746
>>744It's more likely made by a not like other aidens FTM troon due to the mentioning of "truscums" as they continuously seethe over Aidens larping as gay anime boys instead of acting like *ackshual* men.
>>743This, it's one of my favourite dynamics and people can die mad about it
No.747
>>7253 of these are not even anti sjw just proshipper degen (Nothing wrong about that) that just need to be left alone
No.748
>>124They are pick me/not like other girl aidens
No.749
>>91we need to normalised saying YWNBM to these kind of aidens
No.750
>>121kinda Agree of the last image about some fujo annoyingly hating on straight ship. They are just as retarded as anti
>>248For me its top is taller than bottom
No.751
>>396This. moid will literary corrective rape lesbian or doing lobotomy toward gays and fujo are the people they worry the most
No.753
>>749we should
fakebois get the rope
No.754
>>749Nah, a copypasta can be ignored easily. They're still women so you need to cut deeper than that. Hit 'em where it really hurts and be reminded of their permanent features.
No.768
>>743Yes it does, and I want to make a "draw this anyway because fuck you" challenge out of it
No.773
>>768I love this idea and I love drawing challenges in general. Please do it and make it as "offensive" to these types as possible, like "Day 3: shy bottom and outgoing top" or something. I literally live for spiteful drawing challenges, it's the reason I got better at art in the first place.
No.775
>>773If there's a thread where we can set up a "fuck you, I do what I want" monthly challenge, I'd be all for that.
No.776
>>775Just make a new thread for it, it sounds like a great stand-alone idea, probably on /OC/
No.777
>>776>>775I agree, will definitely participate!
Name like you said but maybe like this "fuck you, I do what I want: Fujoshi edition"
But do as you wish anyways.
No.792
>>790Most of the time it's either one of those three, moid weebs (gays or not, different likes, same misogynistic views), hetshippers (can't stand their ship not being forced down everyone's throat) and self hating fujos (wans to be accepted by moids, an Aiden most likely). Let's pray for the last on the list to have some common sense and return to being based fujos.
No.800
>>799Don't know who he is but I love anine boys who have that style and theme
No.840
Can't seem to shake away the thought that most fujoshi haters are women who mimic the same toxicity as moids, they see these monkies and then copy them. They should get over it to be honest, out of everything there is out there to "hate" a fujoshi as a woman they choose to pick all the stupid shit moids hate, lol.
No.841
>>840Women are pretty spiteful towards one another, you know. Not everything is all muh men.
It's because of other women (including self-hating ayydens) pushing anti propaganda/"you have to be some pure uwu being" that people tutn out this way. The more the thought spreads, they more they believe it's the right thing to do. Because everything these days is about who is more morally correct over asinine shit.
No.842
>>841nta but The entire world's view on everything is directly affected by male influence because they're the sex holding all the societal power, including how women treat each other when it comes to gendered issues. The initial hate against fujos born from decades ago was 100% driven by men (the Comiket drama) and later 2chan moids in the early 00's and it's all because they hate women having something to themselves that excludes them and that's where the stigma stems from. Basically fujos are both already down so it's easy to kick them and also one of the main grievances for misogynist nerdy men. For a parallel example think something like feminism, your average woman refuses to identify as one and says shit like "I'm not a feminist because I don't hate men". A lot of my otherwise levelheaded friends always add that "B-but not all men!" suffix when venting about the horrible things males do because they've been conditioned to always put male feelings and men being comfortable before their own needs.
So yeah while a lot of the most vile shit against fujos is committed by other women, I doubt they just woke up one day and decided to bully fujos and moralfag them to hell on their own. There's always something about their female socialization at play which in turn is directly being influenced by women and their sexuality being subjugated by men for generations. Antifujos taking part in harassing other women over anime boy ships is just a form of handmaidenism.
No.843
>>842Up until very recently, a straight man could be a disgusting loser and he'd still have some inherent value in the eyes of the world because he's neither gay nor a woman. But if women, fujo or not, and gay men are allowed to dictate whether a man is desirable or not, then their whole safe world isn't that safe anymore, and they are faced with the realization that maybe they are worthless human beings after all. Just fear of losing their privilege, as usual.
As for women who willingly join straight men in this oppression, they are just trying to acquire those privileges for themselves.
No.845
>>843>>842I'm not sure, I'd argue old style fujo were that, a lot of "I'm not like the other girls" vibes, of they were fujo they put themselves down and argue for example we didn't need/want BL in anime since we had doujins. This is not counting the fundamental christian girl (now all but gone but replaced by the muslim girl in my experience) just hating fujos because they are sinfun and shit.
Nowadays online thing have changed, most of these fujo hater are girls who self-id as "queer" (Such as as this Alice Oseman, who is a straight asexual girl, so a straight girl larping as LGBT) and constantly put down down fujos for being "fetichizers". I don't feel like they are sucking up to men, as much as they are trying to appear progressive and cool because they are "kwer" so only "kwer" people like them can write about BL (Which they keep writing MLM for some reason)
I mean it could be they are sucking up to gay guys, but in my experience ACTUAL gay guys online: 1) are pretty rare 2) Either like BL or don't care about it. I've legit seen some of these girls explaining a gay guy on twitter defending BL how he was being "fetichized"
No.846
>>845Woke fujos who put down other fujos are definitely just doing it so they have enough woke cred to "deserve" consuming BL. This is after years of re-defining fujoshi as women who fetishize gay men(usually with the implication that we harass actual gay men), not just women who enjoy BL or M/M ships. In order to enjoy it openly, you have to cast yourself as some flavor of ~*queer*~ since straight women liking it is apparently verboten. Hence all the straight women calling themselves some flavor of asexual/bisexual/pansexual/genderqueer/etc.
And yeah, I've never seen an (actual)gay man take issue with BL or fujos, aside from maybe not liking the material itself since the men in BL are too feminine for their liking. It's literally only fakeboy gaydens bitching about this
No.847
>>845>>846See the "sucking up" isn't something done consciously or even recognizing pandering to men as the ultimate goal. It's not that straightforward. It's a result of generational trauma and female socialization which has always been based on nurturing and serving men, which makes women very wary of stepping on male feelings or deviating from the female mold. The "trying to appear progressive" is always done at the expense of other women which directly translates to being rewarded for policing yourself and other women to never stray from the path of being a caring, obedient mommy figure upholding the status quo. When some women get fed up with this they troon out because they don't want to fulfill this societal role anymore, so they decide to stop being women altogether.
I know people love simple answers like "they're just woke queerios doing what woke queerios do" but it stems from a problem that goes deeper than just a few years of being terminally online. Women with a healthy self-esteem don't give a shit about other women being into fujoshit.
No.848
>>847This feels like schyzo posting anon
No.849
>>848Describing the mechanics of how women are socialized to be subservient to men is schizoposting? Kek okay then, would saying that the danger hairdye magically seeping into Ayden brain making them turn against other women be more sufficient for you?
No.850
>>849Have you considered that not all women are obsessed with men.
No.852
>>837There's nothing sadder then a self hating fujo.
No.853
>>844Yeah, the western view is that BL is tainted by default and needs to make up for it somehow by being "good representation" but that limits creativity to the point where the only thing allowed is Very Special Episode eat your vegetables style shit.
Anyway that's why people flock to foreign subculture media where self indulgence is the main priority, no one likes being treated like a toddler.
No.855
>>854>They seem so hostile to the idea a woman can consume something for pleasure and NOT bring into the real worldThe entire understanding of sexual behavior is constructed based on male patterns so it's all pure projection, they can be memed into cooming for anything and chase the fetish in real life be it little children or hurting women but women rarely become terminal sex pests like that. A fujo can lust for teenage anime boys yet never transfer that desire to real life yet we constantly have male lolicons outed for being arrested for IRL child pornography or child grooming.
No.889
I have a vaguely schizo theory that a big reason as to why the whole "le fetishizing MLM" angle took off (and keeps taking off) much harder is likely because a great majority of the new age fujos got into BL shipping not through anime media but western tumblr media (and these days, even fucking let's play youtubers for some reason). So by getting into vaguely 3dpd related things, that creates a disonnance in the mind in which the actors are technically "characters" but are still "people" so the line between fiction and reality is too blurry. It's hard to explain but I feel like a fujo that is mostly a fujo for 2D things has a way much different view than a fujo that is mostly into 3D.
No.890
>>889honestly it doesnt sound that schizo when you think about it, it actually makes sense
No.891
>>889that makes sense… i'm an old school fujo who got into it through anime and then eventually moved on to 3d so i've seen the difference in attitude on both sides first hand, i think you're making a good point.
No.892
>>889This isn't really schizo at all. Speaking as someone who's into vtubers, it's always really obvious when a fan got into vtubers from weebshit vs when they got into it from facecam streamers or, god forbid, kpop fandom.
The weebs treat vtuber shipping as just shipping between characters, but the others get really fucking weird about it and either sperg out about how shipping is the work of the devil, or sperg out about how the people behind these 2d anime boys are REALLY for REAL dating irl.
It's really just a symptom of the same fundamental inability to separate fiction from reality, which also causes all the complaints about "problematic" content in media.
No.893
>>889>>892Eh, but isn't 3d shipping old as fuck? The term "slash" itself comes from Kirk/Spook fics.
I just feel it's more about the resurface of puritan ideals in the west more than anything.
No.896
>>893I know, but that's kinda why I said "tumblr western media" because honestly, tumblr fucking ruined everything. We live in a post-tumblr world now. The culture surrounding the fujos of old was different then (for a lot of different factors, primarily that to begin with "women into nerdy things" was shamed) and I suppose like you say, the rise of western puritansim but I have a feeling the puritansim increased far more as people idealized 3d media more than normal.
No.897
>>893It is, but the reason this is such a problem now is a combination of the puritan ideals thing and the fact that people have begun to think of actors as literally being their characters. RPF has always been its own breed of insanity even in the fujo days of old. The people who were shipping Kirk/Spock were not, for the most part, shipping Shatner and Nimoy – and even the ones who were tended to be aware that real person fiction is exactly what it says on the tin. Fiction.
If this was a modern ship, people would act like shipping Kirk/Spock is the same as believing Shatner and Nimoy should get together and have wild sex irl. You can see the truth in this with the massive rise of RPF on sites like AO3 for the 3dpd fujo fandoms like Supernatural.
No.910
>>897NTA but very well put, I always felt there was a distinction and you worded it perfectly. I wonder if it has to do with how social media blurred the lines between actors and their fans since they can interact there.
No.1106
It's funny anti-fujoshi are obsessed with what women get off to in fiction, but they don't care about scrotes being in women's spaces
No.1107
>>1106Making sure that my kin character gets properly represented and I get my ego boost by bullying random strangers that I deliberately search for is more important to me than women dying because unless they are trans women I don't care
No.1109
>>1001Takes me back to a time when yaoi was less stigmatized by the internet for some reason
No.1110
>>910Fandoms where creators are accesible or active or social media are the worst because then fandom acts like it's some sort of moral imperative to keep shipping (specially homo shit) out of their way. It make it impossible to create any sort of community and it devolves into everyone posting what's clearly meant to be romantic/sexual while insisting no, they don't ship because that would be gross.
No.1154
>>1110I hate that. These fandoms are so woke they go right back to being judgemental homophobes.
>Because us pure and wholesome fans wouldn't want to disrespect the creator's work by making icky yucky gay ships of it, would we??? No.1273
>>1269>Thinking female masturbation is a threat to gay men in a patriarchal societyAnti-Fujoshi really virtue signal about everything except sexism
No.1274
>>1273They know that actually criticizing mysogyny will make them sound like dare i say a terf?! which is why they have to pander so hard to men (gay or straight idc) and shame female masturbation (which is of literally no harm to anyone). The only reason these types of discourse exist is because it benefits men and men only. Only a handmaiden that searches to please men cares this hard about what some random internet girls coom to.
No.1275
>>1274I hate to seem like I'm defending men here, but all of this nonsense is directed at women, by women. I've never seen an actual gay or bi moid take issue with women making/consuming BL, yaoi, m/m shipping or anything of the like beyond saying the men in it are too feminine for their tastes. Straight moids seethe over it because they're disgusted by homosexuality and hate seeing their self-inserts getting shipped with other dudes, not because of "mlm fetishization by women" or whatever the fuck Aidens classify BL as now. The whole effort was started by not-like-other fujos guilt tripping other fujos for liking to see two dudes fuck without chopping their tits off first, and of course they're blaming anti-fujo rhetoric on TERFs now after realizing how dumb it is.
No.1276
>>1275>The whole effort was started by not-like-other fujos guilt tripping other fujos for liking to see two dudes fuck without chopping their tits off first, and of course they're blaming anti-fujo rhetoric on TERFs now after realizing how dumb it is.Yep. See alice Oseman or how she's called. The whole movement started form tumblr.
No.1277
>>1275Oh i didn't exactly mean my post to sound like its the men encouraging this hate. Yes of course it's the anti-fujo women that sperg this hard on this subject and men do not care. But what I was trying to say is that it benefits men in the end so this is why it is happening, or at least… this is why people let it happen. I'm aware gay moids literally do not give a fuck about yaoi and some like it (altho they prefer tasteless bara).
The handmaiden that partake into fujo-hate do it to pander to men, and it doesn't matter if men actually care or not. What matters is that the handmaiden thinks they do which is enough of a justification for them to act retarded.
No.1278
>>1275>. I've never seen an actual gay or bi moidyou're completely right though. i won't deny that there is a non-small amount of radfems that label the straight tifs (heckin gay trans mlm or whatever uwu) as "fujoshi" but it isn't as if they were listening to terfs for their anti-fujo mindsets.
No.1279
>>1277>The handmaiden that partake into fujo-hate do it to pander to menHonestly they just do it to pander to trannies and/or their twitter friends for woke points. Men don't give a shit.
Hell, the great majority of people participating in this shit that are "men" aren't even men, just your typical ayyden or your MtF trying to fit in just trying to bash actual women.
No.1280
>>1269aidens: me, a pure and innocent gay boy
also aidens: I AM GOING TO BEAT YOU UP AND ROB YOU
No.1281
>>1279tbh you might be right then. They might think they pander to men but in reality they pander to a TiF lol
No.1287
>>1286I feel like hate reading the boyfriends comic with another fujo. I haven't given it a read yet. Is it worth the lulz?
No.1289
>>1287I took a look at it a few days ago, it seems to just be boring and overly cutesy. I didn't even get to the point with the trans character or whatever. To me, it somehow looks like something antis would love since there's nothing unheathly and there's a lot of
representation and shit.
>>1288I haven't gotten around to checking out heartstopper, it doesn't really look offensive on its own, just really boring and bland like you said. The shitty thing about it is how the author has a superiority complex and thinks heartstopper is
good representation while bl is fetishizing etc etc.
No.1290
>>1286Pretty sure Boyfriends isn’t western. I don’t think the author actually lives in a western country and is currently in asia.
But both are ridiculous boring. I hated boyfriends because it was soft tender queer bullshit, but at least I could just admit it wasn’t my thing. I haven’t bothered with heartstopper but the art and panel layout is so bad I can’t get myself to read it.
We need otoko ryona back in our streets. I cant take this shit anymore. I don’t even care if it can get too intense for my own tastes, I just can’t stand this soft “representation” shit being the be all and end all for “acceptable” bl anymore.
No.1291
>>1289The author is kinda cringe, she's a they/them areace(i.e straight)
>>1290even though I dislike heartstopper its oddly nostalgic, like if you were the type of teenager who used to read tumblr webcomics back then you know the style heartstopper is going for, where everywhere was "inspired" by either Emily Carroll or Hark! A Vagrant, I think there's nothing wrong with a cute BL story for mainstream audience's and bitching about it seems childish and edgy
No.1292
>>1286So our choices are uwu soft asexual boys and trannies?
Wow, I'll stick to BL I think
No.1293
>>1290>>1292The fact that this is the current state of fandom is legitimately depressing to me. People just have this need to insert themselves in literally anything and can't just enjoy an interesting and good story/characters because they see it as problematic and toxic. Not to mention there's no liking/disliking stuff just because it is or isn't your thing, there always needs to be some strong political argument to support your opinion. And this is how most of the fandoms are, this is seen as normal and accepted. Sorry if this is a bit of a rant, I just hate how shit the western fanbases for things have gotten.
>>1291>she's a they/them areace(i.e straight) Not to get too into subject this but tbf aroace people aren't always just straights fishing for attention (though in the case of this author she likely is). Some people genuinely have no interest in romantic or sexual relationships with either gender irl.
No.1294
>>1293>>1293>Not to get too into subject this but tbf aroace people aren't always just straights fishing for attention (though in the case of this author she likely is). Some people genuinely have no interest in romantic or sexual relationships with either gender irl.Aroace is somehow very popular on twitter, just like these Nb girls that are now everywehre
No.1295
>>1286Why are people comparing these two? They're completely different from each other and tell completely different stories for different purposes.
No.1296
>>1286Right is a funny one
Apparently the creator is a fakeboy, the comic is about 2 gay couples except one of them if a FtM (So one gay couple has penis/vagina sex)
You would think this is twitter's wet dream no? Except the fakeboy apparently drew porn of Venti from Genshin (which people read as underaged) and did porn of some band member (when they were underage), drawing the hire of the perma online
The whole drama is basically two types of perma online shitting on each other now. Fucking hilarious.
No.1298
>>1296Actually they are a polymerous couple, the goth is the FTM, goth pegs prep and has PIV sex with the jock, its clear the goth and nerd are both self inserts for the fakeboi author
No.1299
>>1286>two boring series made by boring straight women with different kinds of superiority complexes>good queer representationGod I hate "queer" media
No.1300
>>1299same. i so regret that gender stuff is this prevalent in my freer, younger years; can't even enjoy fandom anymore.
No.1301
>>12949 times out of 10 "aroace" is just a short way of saying "I'm sex repulsed due to a repeated gender/sex related trauma and align myself with LGB because they're the only ones who accept me but want no commitment due to actually being straight so I'll just lie about not experiencing romantic or sexual attraction at all".
>>1299Unironically this, most of original BL is better "queer rep" than any of this garbage. At least it treats its characters as actual characters in a story that just happen to be male attracted and not just narrative tools to blog about kweer tropes like an afterschool special.
No.1302
>>1301> At least it treats its characters as actual characters in a story that just happen to be male attracted and not just narrative tools to blog about kweer tropes like an afterschool specialoh wow nona you really put it into words
for all of the gender mafia's insistence that they're ackshully not the ones "fetishizing" ""mlm"" they sure do love to write stereotypical "uwu! gay bean" characters
No.1303
>>1301>>1301>9 times out of 10 "aroace" is just a short way of saying "I'm sex repulsed due to a repeated gender/sex related trauma and align myself with LGB because they're the only ones who accept me but want no commitment due to actually being straight so I'll just lie about not experiencing romantic or sexual attraction at all". No, it just says "I'm a straight girl who is permaonline so I can't get a boyfriend and instead I obsess about 2d boys but don't want to be straight aka boring." Same with putting "autistic" in your twitter bios. Basically boring people trying to be quirky
No.1304
>>1299>>1301I dunno which one is worse, the tranny one is pretty bad since it features trannies and vagina (Which when I read BL I'd like to get away as much as possible), but the Alice one is just bland and boring and "uuh are not my gay babies so cute they never fuck or have sex they are two angels" which is somehow annoyed.
No.1346
>>1290I think “it’s western” in the sense that it’s inspired by western culture, tropes, and ideas also not to mention it’s English as opposed to Indonesian. The author is completely westernised
No.1347
>>1346The author is actually Chinese Indonesian and Chinese people in most of SEA live in separated bubbled communities, so her culture situation is a lot more complicated
No.1482
>>1481I think the biggest difference between old anti-fujos and new anti-fujos is that the old anti-fujos were ones because they didn't agree with the shipping, fanfics and other media created by fujos, and also found yaoi/BL for gross. Now the new ones are anti-fujo because simply to be progressive.
No.1483
>>1482In my experience they're still anti-fujoshi because they hate the entire culture of shipping male/male ships due to lowkey homophobia but just framing it as woke concern for muh fetishization of gay couples. Some of them are definitely that certain flavour of not like other girls though with the "I like BL for the representation, not the fetishization!!!" rhetoric, it has to be projection to some degree since so many of them are aggressively caping for f/f ships because of some lesbianism = wholesome sisterhood/kinky mommy dommy fantasy.
No.1484
>>1483>it has to be projection to some degree since so many of them are aggressively caping for f/f ships because of some lesbianism = wholesome sisterhood/kinky mommy dommy fantasy.Yeah I've noticed it too, especially with male weebs, I've seen many male weeb accounts (and some female) being againts yaoi and male shipping, but be totally okay with yuri and f/f content.
No.1485
>>1482Old anti-fujos were just otomes or hetshippers engaging in the good ol' fashioned shipwars of the aughts-early 2010's. At least the "zomg [male character A] isn't gay and he's just brothers with [male character B] and really loves [female character C] you delusional yaoi fangirl!!!" was funny some of the time and was just the result of different kinds of passionate fans butting heads over how they interpreted characters and their relationships, but the obsession over m/m and f/f pairings as LGBT rep just feels so detached from actually enjoying the medium. Sure I want there to be more gay pairings in media, a lot more actually, but they should still be, you know, enjoyable in their own right. Just having a gay pairing in something to meet some kind of progressive checklist is so cold and corporate, there's no love for the characters or story in it at all.
No.1486
>>1485>Just having a gay pairing in something to meet some kind of progressive checklist is so cold and corporate, there's no love for the characters or story in it at all.This, so much this. I've also noticed that most gay characters in western media are background characters that have nothing to do with the story and are just here to show "look! We support LGBT! We're so progressive!" which gets tiring.
I miss the good ol' days when most, if not all characters in a show, book, game, manga, anime didn't have confirmed sexualities and the creators gave their fandoms the freedom to ship whoever they want with no matter who.
No.1487
>>1486>"look! We support LGBT! We're so progressive!" which gets tiring.This is so weird to me because Tara/Willow on Buffy (late 90s/early 00s) avoided this well enough and no LGBT pairing in western media I've seen since then has even remotely approached how casual/normal it felt. You'd think there was nowhere to go but up!
No.1488
>>1487The older pairings from 90's and 00's feel so natural is because most movies back then were made with care, love and soul, now everything is made for profit, which makes me fall into despair. When will people wake up and realise that companies are capitalising on the current trendy things and using them to create souless media created only to be a cash grab.
Now LGBT is really trendy and you can clearly see that most "queer" (ugh, I hate that word, it was used as an insult to gays and lesbians) people became "queer" after the big LGBT boom, and yet they say we're regressive even through we've supported LGB media for way longer than they have.
No.1489
>>1485I actually feel like a lot of BL is good LGBT representation, the genre isn't a singular monolith with "hawt guyz only" being the root definition. There are many great stories in modern BL with relatable, realistic gay characters and relationships and the "b-but we're both men!" dinosaur has almost gone extinct and even evolved into a better approach of a character realizing their sexuality in a mature way like in Kieta Hatsukoi (which technically is published in a shoujo magazine but I digress).
>>1488Basically. The 90's actually had pretty good gay couples even though it did often go by the "don't say gay" rules, yet in the late 90's/early 00's comedic media used homophobic jokes a LOT. You had the sissy gay character being the fall guy in every fucking movie or TV series and lesbians were portrayed as either angry bulldykes with penis envy or porn actresses performing for men. I feel like a lot of modern media is dunking on that part of history with the aggressive commercialization of the LGBT to cash in on the contrast.
No.1490
>>1489>You had the sissy gay character being the fall guy in every fucking movie or TV series and lesbians were portrayed as either angry bulldykes with penis envy or porn actresses performing for men.Oof, yeah I forgot about the bad stereotypes. Sometimes I focus too much on the good sides and ignore (without realising it) the bad ones.
No.1491
>>1482>because they didn't agree with the shipping, fanfics and other media created by fujosI still think this is the case, it's just buried underneath progressive gymnastics.
The reason shipwars happen is because people get mad that artists/writers aren't using their talents to make stuff the complainers want to consume. This recent "muh fetishization" trend is just a mask for their true desire: free content for the ships they do like (as an aside, go look at the complainer profiles–half the time they don't even feed themselves!).
I've always said het shippers overwhelmingly "win" canon, but fujos have it better in the long run because they have so much fanart/fic/discussion to go through. They are so mad at us because we are very clearly winning and have been since the first Kirk/Spock zine.
This reads like copium, but when I'm done with a book/game/show that saw some amount of popularity with a m/m ship I liked, I get to go online, look up the ship tag on multiple hellsites, and have hours and hours of free content. It's not uncommon to have multiple high quality novel-length fanfics to put on my kindle, or prints to buy and frame. Sometimes a pairing will even get crowdfunded plushies, it's wild.
Lately I've been cursed with outright disliking the most popular m/m pairing in my recent fandoms, so it has given me a mild amount of empathy for these clowns. Having that classic fujoshi fandom "win" wrested away from me stung a little, I've got crumbs when I'm used to a buffet! I feel like if I were prime anti- age (under 25) I would absolutely try to find a bludgeon strong enough to whack those damn X/Y shippers into making me some X/Z content, and that's exactly what all of this "problematic" shit is.
>>1488I used to like queer as an umbrella term but what you've described is why I'm wary of the twee types who use it.
No.1492
>>1486>I miss the good ol' days when most, if not all characters in a show, book, game, manga, anime didn't have confirmed sexualitiesWhat a load of shit, this never happened. Back in the days if a character was straight you sure as hell you know it. Even the most basic ass videogame character always managed to slip a girlfriend or wife or out of nowhere love interest, no to mention the heavy ass censorship.
No.1493
>>1491And this is why "fujos saved comiket" isn't just a baseless meme. M/M shippers have always been extremely active in creating content for themselves as they can't just rely on canon delivering them what they want, they need to extend the story to their own fanworks as a communal effort. Hetshippers have a new dump truck full of canonical ships delivered to their doors to enjoy so they're rarely assed to pick up a pen and draw fan art, at least not in the same volumes as fujos do, never in my life have I seen hetships have crowdsourced anthologies and merch created as much as I have witnessed those for m/m ships. The only people who surpass them in numbers are male coomers drawing porn and that's only because there are so ridiculously many of them compared to the niche of fujoshis.
> I feel like if I were prime anti- age (under 25) I would absolutely try to find a bludgeon strong enough to whack those damn X/Y shippers into making me some X/Z content, and that's exactly what all of this "problematic" shit is.It's even more apparent when their own favourite ship is just as problematic in comparison or even more so, but they always have a convenient explanation for why X/Z is actually good representation while X/Y isn't. As for hetshippers in general the amount of manipulative tricks they have up their sleeves is often staggering, such as the recent "if you don't like this hetship you're biphobic" one I've seen recently.
No.1494
>>1491>I feel like if I were prime anti- age (under 25) I would absolutely try to find a bludgeon strong enough to whack those damn X/Y shippers into making me some X/Z content, and that's exactly what all of this "problematic" shit is.100%, all this hand-wringing over what's "problematic" and "good representation" is just old shipwar sentiments given a progressive coat of paint. It reminds me of that tumblr clown who tried to say that a canon f/f pairing(Korra/Asami) was more heteronormative than a m/f pairing(Mako/Korra) because Mako isn't a 1950's-esque misogynist and Korra is the more dominant of the two. If your man does the dishes, you're not in a straight relationship anymore, apparently!
Thankfully jp fandom doesn't really do this(I don't think they even have shipwars at all, do they?) but one time I did see a Japanese fanartist for an obscure m/f pairing involving a gay male character canonically in love with another man pull the "[m/m pairing] is fetishization and unhealthy, real gays agree with me" card, so maybe it just hasn't caught up to them yet.
No.1495
>>1494>one time I did see a Japanese fanartist for an obscure m/f pairing involving a gay male character canonically in love with another man pull the "[m/m pairing] is fetishization and unhealthykek, which one? You can't say that and not elaborate.
But yeah, as somebody who spends a lot of time in jp fandom mostly there really aren't shipwars like westerners do. People do have their "landmines" (pairs and tropes they don't like) AND avoid eachother if they need to. They actually put the "don't like, don't look and block" thing into practice maybe a little too hard. Because they can get into small fits if somebody misinterprets non-ship art as ship or viceversa, call a pair AB and not BA, etc.
No.1497
>>1495>kek, which one? You can't say that and not elaborate.Fucking Kaworu/Rei from Evangelion, of all pairings. Which isn't really surprising considering what a dumpster fire the Eva fandom is, but female fans are usually very chill in my experience. She seethed over her ship's basically nonexistent popularity and claimed her gay friends supported her shipping them over KawoShin because the latter is fetishization and unhealthy, yadda yadda. How shipping a gay dude with a woman is healthier than shipping him with another man, I have no idea. Unfortunately her tweets have been deleted for over a year at this point, but they were hilarious
No.1498
>>1496I’m definitely a turtle.
No.1499
>>1496Kek I'm definitely a snake fujoshi.
No.1500
>>1496i'm a gecko.i'm too fixed and much of a sadist to even think abt the rest.
No.1505
>>1495>"landmines" That's a cute term. I seem to remember it being common etiquette (or at least a ubiquitous syntax development) to write ship names or the slash as TopBottom or Top/Bottom (I'm talking like ff.net and lj days) so it's weird to me to see the discourse about it floating around. When did people in western fandom fall out of the habit? Was it some "listing top/bottom is problematic" post?
>>1496Frogail is a vibe.
>>1497Something about that ship must be lost in translation because the only art I ever see of it is jp. I bet she was happy to see the two of them standing next to each other in the end (which was worth it to see all the asushins btfo).
No.1506
>>1505>Was it some "listing top/bottom is problematic" post? The / symbol was unusable in a lot of sites like tumblr and there's no tagging at all in other ones like twitter, so eventually ships ended up with just really stupid nicknames instead.
No.1507
>>1506It really is that simple huh? Thank you.
>really stupid nicknamesI hate it aaaaa
No.1508
>>1505>When did people in western fandom fall out of the habit? Honestly? I think because of Ao3 just putting everything under one tag, regardless if it's AB or BA. It doesn't have separate tags for the reverse version of a pair, you have to specify if it's (commonly top) character bottom or viceversa.
No.1509
>>1496I love these…I'm a frog for sure kek
>>1505I think it's mostly just that jp artists make like 99% of Eva art going back nearly 30 years, so you're bound to see anything and everything from them. The only fangroup I've seen that actually kind of likes KawoRei are Korean yumes, kek
No.1510
>>1496I'm a turtle with some snail, snake and frog mutations. My faves are usually minor characters, and I multiship like crazy and will give most stuff a try, but very occasionally I'll have the rare kind of OTP where I'm fine with seeing them fucking other characters or getting tentacle'd etc but can only accept them having actual feelings for each other. Or maybe that's just the OTP I have right now, I dunno.
Also, do any other multishippers have the Shipping Math issue where when you like A/B and A/C, you have to find someone to pair C with when A/B is happening and vice versa? Though it only depends on how much I like the character who's getting left out.
No.1511
>>1496I'm a frog for sure.
No.1512
>>1505>Was it some "listing top/bottom is problematic" post? At some point there were spergs in the western fandom going on about how top/bottom dynamics are ~toxic~ and everyone needs to be a switch for it in order not to be "fetishizing". I think the discourse died down pretty fast but it definitely exists in some places and flares up every now and then.
No.1529
>>1496Frog with snail characteristics. I have OTPs, but enjoy seeing either of the characters in my OTPs molested by mobs or tentacles as long as they aren't fucking any actual characters other than the other half of the ship.
No.1538
>>1537God I wish het ships got this much shit thrown at them. Closest thing I can think of that even remotely got this kind of bashing was Reylo.
No.1540
>>1539It's as if these people don't know how to safely indulge in their own fantasies sometimes. Don't they have fun?
No.1676
>>93I genuinely believe that a lot of fujohaters are actually homophobic and just searching for reasons to attack people that draw or like homo stories. I know at least two where I know for a fact that the haters are coming from evangelical US households and they "coincidentally" also hate homo stories not targeted at fujos they just find other reasons for why they pretend to hate them then.
No.1678
I don’t have screencaps because the posts were deleted, but something that bugs me are the zoomer Hagio Moto fans that sperg out because Zankoku is associated with the western BL community. They complain about fujos reading the manga and they can only misinterpret it, it can’t be called Bl because the term BL didn’t exist during it’s publication, and so on. I find it annoying because the group that first worked on it were scanlators for vintage shojo and Hagio Moto manga in the first place, and I’ve never seen much fujo sperging about Zankoku except that the subject matter makes some people uncomfortable?
No.1768
>>1767Meh, this is the types of ships I prefer too however making a meme about it is pretty lame and just comes of as the artist is compensating for something.
I have said it before but anyone who brags about "oooh all my ships are so LEGAL aren't I cool" or "oooh all my ships are PROBLEMATIC aren't I cool" don't even care about shipping or fandom they just wanna get involved in drama.
Also is this even how this meme works? Isn't the point to show of character dynamic? This tells me nothing about their personalities or how they interact. You can have two consenting adults who still bicker and fight a lot and you can have two consenting adults who are just soft uwu supporting each other.
No.1769
>>1768>This tells me nothing about their personalities or how they interact.Because the people who make this kind of memes have such bland, shit taste that moral superiority is the only thing their ships have going for them.
No.1770
>>1767For HER maybe, not me though I'm different. I exclusively love reading dubcon agegap incest.
No.1771
>>1767Forgot to include "not groomed to be fucked on their 18th birthday" so still quite problematic!
No.1772
>>1767Even as someone who doesn't ship anything considered "problematic" (I don't think so anyway but then again these people are crazy and reach), performative stuff like this just reeks of trying to cover something up and there's been a clear pattern where a big moralfagging anti has been exposed for being abusive to real people. Like the louder they are the more skeletons they have in their closet and they're paranoid about it.
No.1773
>>1769Exactly. Pretentious moralfags like this have no place in fandom.
No.1774
>>1772I remember seeing screenshots of some kid on either discord or tiktok that shipped something "problematic", saying they just got sexually assaulted and wanted support, but got antis ganging up on them saying they deserved it and must have liked it because of what they ship. Anyone got them? I should have saved them but I try not to get involved in nu-fandom.
No.1821
>>1820Thanks for sharing, anon. The screenshots in this are fucking insane.
>freaks of colorHow the fuck do these people actually exist?
No.1822
>>1820Great paper. I'm glad I have something to site when I get ranting to friends about how we have Netflix Voltron to blame for why fandom at large sucks so much ass now.
Watching a ship war snowball into this nonsense has been both entertaining and horrific.
No.1826
>>1820that was such an interesting read THANK YOU for sharing nona!
No.1864
>>1863>no 15 year old toothpaste flag mlm is gonna give me a piece of art that will significantly impact me years along the lineFucking kek, even these people are sick of TIFs in fandom spaces.
No.1865
>>1863lmao well the 30+ year old fujo oldfags are the ones that are now gatekeeping hard now so they can cry all they want about kicking them out
No.1866
>>1863This fujo is your FRIEND
She fights for CONTENT
No.1875
>>1874holy projection batman, that's a schizo rant if i've seen one. living in fear of seeing shit you don't like for looking up bl sounds like a sad existence in the day and age of tags and blocking. nothing more misogynistic than thinking you can opt out of being female, though.
No.1879
>>1874I hate them so much we need to keep fujo culture alive and they’re trying to destroy it out of spite
No.1880
>>1874>(yeah this is a ME problem but i'm going to make it everyone else's problem as well.)The trans movement in a nutshell.
No.1883
>>1879One thing I don't understand is why were they trying to find accurate gay representation from fucking fanfiction of all things. Fanfiction that they know is mostly written by and for WOMEN. Like if you want accurate representation that read stuff by actual gay men and leave us alone.
No.1884
>>1883Gay stuff written by gay men isn't any more accurate than straight romance written by straight people. At the end of the day it's all wish fulfillment because literally no one except these terminally online mentally ill Aidans even want real life simulation in their romance fiction, regardless of orientation. If they want accuracy and realism they should get off their greasy ass and participate in real life.
No.1886
>>1885These people genuinely think gays are teddy bears made up of flower crowns and rainbows, which is extremely fetishistic and creepy in and of itself. Just solidifies to me that their fixation on fujos all comes from projection and suppression of a deep down guilty conscience.
No.1887
>>1885> created by a gay man (which is supposed to be more accurate for representation for dumbfuckery reasons?)It's pretty accurate rep in the sense that a lot of the by-gay-men-for-gay-men porn is cock/cum focused. I think what bums trans men out so much is that futa porn would rank above any pussy in eroticism for the average cis gay. Trans women probably pull more cis gays than trans men on Grindr. They never want to address the relative rigidity of sexual attraction for gay cis men compared to any other cis/trans gender combo and instead lash out like it's the fujo degens fault for making it this way.
No.1888
>>1887WHY do they hate us so much? We didn't do anything to them. I just want to ship cute anime boys together, but their hateful words hurt so much.
No.1889
>>1874Absolutely obsessed with how hyperfeminine the writing style here is.
No.1894
>>1891lol it always cracks me up when i see troons say that they discovered their identity or whatever through fucking porn
No.2163
>>2162god i hate that too
they're just trying to insult and humiliate fujoshis
No.2165
>>2162Aaaah, I feel a bit attacked. I hope you just mean people who are clearly only doing it ironically and not just everyone who like older men. I like guys in their 50s and 60s and am always afraid of getting laughed at for it.
Worse is when I'm looking for real content for a pair or character and it's all just jokey memeshit because "lmao old people."
No.2335
>>2334chad fujo who proudly embraces her fujoness and doesn't give a fuck what others say vs virgin trans mlm who starts identifying as trans because they are scared of being accused of being problematic fujos
No.2337
>>2334Drives me insane they only think being a fujo is acceptable if the girl becomes a tif
No.2338
>>2334>BL is fetishizing gay men which is wrong!!!>actually fetishizing gay men to the point where you 24/7 LARP as one and harass irl gay men for not liking pussy is totally fine, thoughmake it make sense
No.2339
>>2338my thoughts exactly
it's the "i understand this journey" bit that got me the most. these people are actively acknowledging and confirming the existence of the fujo-to-pooner pipeline, but at the same time, they still aren't getting it. it's poetic
No.2340
>>2334the most annoying part of this discourse are the tifs who are convinced that fujos can't possibly be straight women.
No.2353
>>2334there are literally no actual cis gay men involved in this discourse of a shitshow. its purely mentally ill ayden on ayden violence
No.2354
>>2336All the fucking time they turn out to draw in *that* style lol. My god. It's so soulless. When I look at this garbage I see no artistic value at all. I feel like i'm staring at a product manufactured to be approved by as many twittertards as possible and not much else.
It's also very ironic how these kind of artists tend to write characters as these extremely bland archetypes like "The Cool Handsome Guy", "The Cinammon Roll protagonist", "The Quirky Gamer with autism", etc etc with the most "interesting" traits being stupid quirky shit like having ADHD and liking to practice witchcraft in the garage or something. Utterly empty and soulless.
No.2355
>>2354Exactly. I wouldn't be so mean about it if they were teens (or even young 20s) but these are ADULT adults throwing rocks in glass houses. The style looks like it was traced over Totally Spies.
No.2357
>>2334This fucking guy. He pulled an alice oseman, dumbass wanted to sell his shitty book and because of his innate feeling of superiority towards all those savage Asians he decided to brand it as ~the real queer rep~ while all that BL is just fetishizing garbage. Motherfucker was begging for dubbing roles in BL and shilled multiple BL stories written by these evil fujoshis as "good representation", and once called out for the double standards, he basically told people to fuck off without explaining himself. I have no mercy for opportunistic little shits like him. He attacked an already underhanded group just to peddle his wares and put down authors who can't even defend themselves due to the language barrier like a bitch.
>>2336Ironically enough their stories still have a ton of ~toxic~ elements in them, it's just not a guy pushing himself on another in a dubcon fashion. Like for example someone might outright stalk and obsess over their crush like a psycho but it's supposed to be ~wholesome~ and ~relatable~ and NOT scary BPD-chan behavior.
No.2358
>>2336Just from the panel, I don't actually hate the art itself that much. It's definitely boring, generic, lazy, and forgettable. It also seems very much like someone tried to drawn manga style art but was both too scared and too unskilled to pull it off.
But at least it's not borderline grotesque (flushed nose and ears, obese, exaggerated stereotypical racial features that make wartime propaganda look tame) like a lot of the other tumblr/twitter approved woke art.
No.2373
>>2336I feel like a lot of these artists feel obligated to draw the characters brown to score woke points, i've never seen a black guy act like this kek
No.2374
>>2336>naming your character after his skin colorDo they really
No.2375
Anything from the anti fujo thread on lc can go here tbh.
No.2376
>>2375I can't even bear to look at that thread because the posters make me want to cringe myself to death, it's filled with scrotes, unhinged homophobic yumejos and paki-chan venting about her life.
No.2377
i find it funny how anti-fujos tend to focus on the fujo-to-tranny pipeline as if it concerns the majority of fujos
No.2378
>>2374holy shit i didn't even realize kek
No.2380
>>2379>that imagekek
>>2377Funny how they claim to be for female rights and feminism yet have a laser focus hating on media created and consumed primarily by women. They claim to hate men for being coomers led around by their dicks yet have no problem accusing women of being like that. And most certainly don't want to consider the angle that women troon out due to misogyny and the suppression of female sexuality, not because they read a bunch of gay comics.
No.2407
Nonnas have you seen the anti-fujo memes on Pinterest?
They're pretty bad because they're almost definitely made by 12-year-olds from TikTok but that's what makes them so funny.
I'll come back and post some once we can post images again.
No.2425
>>89God I wish we could post images so I could ask someone to post that screenshot of the sooner fanfiction that said was of a fanfic. It said something like "why do we have to be minors, were so sexy", kek.
No.2483
did anyone see that interview with aiba kyoko that was basically just textbook yaoi is problematic (tm) tropes rehashed? seeing that article get unanimously dragged in the twitter replies gives me a glimmer of hope for the current generation of fujos
the author doubled down on their stance and af's response is basically "baww, y'all are such meanies!" people gave them sincere constructive criticism and pointed them to academic writings and their excuse is that they can't be bothered to do background research because they're a journalism outlet
No.2484
>>2483I misunderstood your tweet and thought the issue was with the mangaka's answers and not with the questions she was asked. I looked it up on twitter and even male otaku/lolicon are offended on behalf of her so it jas to be pretty bad. I kind of want to check the interview but don't want to give the website a click.
No.2486
>>2483Reminded me of the time zoomers were writing embarrasing callout posts on Syundei when they found out she had made 'problematic' dubcon tentacle fetish yaoi in the past, when they had initially put her in a pedestal for her soft BL manga "go for it nakamura kun" which cover had turned into a bit of a redraw meme in twitter and tumblr.
I mean, it's fine if tentacle rape isn't your thing, but it's ludicrous to think of everything as black and white. Either BL is pure and wholesome and valid or the spawn of satan if it dares to be anything but. Incredibly juvenile and embarrassingly reactionary way of thinking from these individuals every time, some of them grown-ass adults too.
No.2487
>>2483>>2484I went and read the article and it was just weird, it was clear that the author and Aiba weren't exactly on the same page and Aiba seemed confused by the questions. The author asking her about "how more ""realistic"" LGBT work has affected her work" was such a dick move though, like how did she not realize how out of place that would sound like? Someone describing it more as an "interrogation" than an "interview" was pretty accurate because it seemed to be more about her opinions and views on societal issues than discussing her own work. She prefaced the entire interview with the whole cringe "yaoi is basically super problematic rape porn centering around sexual assault done with big yaoi hands" spiel. Another reason she's being dragged is because by conducting these half-baked articles it gets harder for other publications to get interviews because they'll think they'll be walking into another trap which is a valid concern.
No.2488
>>2487Yeah, it was pretty clear that the person who came up with the questions came in with their own agenda and Aiba even had to ask for clarification during the interview. Someone tried to defend the questions by pointing out they were approved in advance, but I highly doubt these most of these authors keep abreast of Western fujocourse so they don’t know the full context of these questions. A lot of these yaoi morality police probably rely on the language barrier + information asymmetry to shield them from criticism. I can’t wait for the day a mangaka decides to clap back against their arrogance.
It would be another thing if the interviewer wanted to talk about societal issues, but they absolutely failed at that too. People, including legit scholars, tried to provide Japanese and English language articles about the role of yaoi in LGBT politics in Asia and the role of yaoi in Japanese feminism, but AF basically brushed it off saying they couldn’t be liable to read lengthy articles from niche academic publications as part of their journalism. Putting aside the absolute ignorance, I find that academic work about BL is more accessible than ever.
No.2535
>>2534The second picture is so funny because if my crazy religious parents were zoomers they would say that instead of preventing their straight daughters from dating before marriage. These kids have no self-awareness do they?
No.2541
>>2534imagine being a fujo and having ur art being used by zoomers for epic ifunny amino memes
No.2545
>>2542Every time a fujo starts to read BL, a gay man dies somewhere…
I love the fake Whisper app format. If you said any of this shit on the actual app you'd have people asking what it meant.
No.2547
>>2542>last one>"making the mlm people feeling uncomfortable"Who are these mlm people feeling uncomfortable by yaoi bois. 14yo nonbinary xe/xem Aydens from Florida who live with their parents?
No.2548
>>2547Pretty much. 3DPD gay dudes are offline doing ket and hooking up. Anybody who has an opinion about shipping stronger than "eh it's not for me" is bitchless and doesn't leave their house.
No.2549
>>2547I know irl gay man. They don't give two shits about who draws their porn.
They have some tastes that don't overlap with mine because stuff that reads 'Cute uke' to fujos can read 'underage' to them, but they're aware that women work differently and they have their own gay porn, it's not like yuri where lesbians were stuck with schoolgirl stuff for a long time.
No.2563
>>2550KEK nonna if we had a fujochan caps thread I'd put your post in a heartbeat.
No.2566
>>2563please make one, I have many posts I want to put in there
No.2570
>>2563>>2564You flatter me too much nonnies. Thank you
>>2566Seconded (or thirded?) sounds like a great idea.
No.2571
>>2550Ot but while the ending of this manga was pedestrian, the anime ending was 100% gigachaddess-tier
No.2578
>>2534I'm convinced most of the people upset over "sexualization" are young teenagers who still find sex scary and view any material regarding it as inherently suspect. Ofc they only go after other girls and women because men wouldn't give a shit if someone took issue with the (usually genuinely depraved) shit they jerk off too kek
No.2579
>>2578i went through a “wholesome content only!1!” phase for a bit in my early teens and i definitely think that that’s part of what’s going on with these types of people. it’s especially apparent if they have some sort of religious complex about sex (which i was raised with), because then sexualizing characters and/or relationships makes them “dirty.” i also think another root cause for this behavior is underlying homophobia. any sort of gay sex is still nasty and depraved in their minds, so they can only tolerate good and celibate homos. idk.
No.2580
>>2578This is what I believe too. So many "anti"s are just children scared of sex still, not really a fiction vs. reality debate. There should be a different word, because "anti" can mean so many different things. Antis who still live with their parents vs away should be looked under differently by onlookers, methinks.
No.2584
>>2582For a long time now I have debated on making a reply video to that one because it's literally one of the first videos you'll see when you search "fujoshi" on YouTube. Her takes are so outdated and full of misinformation and it's very unfortunate that this video is most likely what someone would see when they want to find out what a fujoshi is, I am disappointed.
No.2585
>>2582I'm not even 5 seconds into the video and the character/mascot looks like a homestuck troll OC so I already know her opinion doesn't matter.
No.2586
>>2582What's really shitty about these kinds of discourse videos is that they're basically a self-fulfilling prophecy. They've singlehandedly created the kind of edgy dead dove rape fetishist shotacons who assumed a false fujo identity just to troll people and cause controversy because "little boy rape is so based guys, am I edgy and cool yet, are you mad at me yet, are the normies triggered yet". I don't even get who feeds them this 2005-tier information about fujos which is based on the yaoi fangirl tropes of the time and brings up Killing Stalking which is undoubtedly an anomaly in BL, not the norm. It hasn't even been relevant in like 7 years or so, I feel like it was way more popular with FTM yumes who wanted to be fucked by Sangwoo than actual fujos.
No.2587
>>2547>>2548Even the people that I know who are staunch and unconditional trans supporters see through their bullshit nowadays and have learned to check if the self-proclaimed "gay man" is actually MLM Ayden from Florida who wants advice on how to convince xem parents to buy xem a real top binder. The only time I've seen an actual gay man bitch about fujos was when that cookie run voice actor was shitting on them to peddle his stupid book as "le real kweer representation" and even then he got btfo'd by other AMAB gay men (which caused him to go into severe meltdown mode kek), just a bit before that whole shebang he had been *begging* for BL voice acting roles and declared himself to be a huge fan. So make of that what you will.
>>2550KEK
No.2589
>>2582Nevermind I don't think I can watch the whole thing right now, but is she the one drawing Bruno while talking? Because I've noticed that it's not just the average Amerifat fakeboi who has this opinion on fujoshi and BL, it's almost always the ones who don't know how to draw, how to write, and whose contribution in fandoms is to spread their hideous art and fics all over the internet not because of their passion for whatever show or manga or video game but as if it were just a way to get engagement and interact with other like minded retards. They're the same ones who also harass competent artists online because they're "problematic" for having a husbando who's a grown man, who's related to the main character, who isn't a soft cinnamon roll, etc. I think a big part of that phenomenon is just jealousy. They see grown women talking to their close friends online, posting their good looking art of their favorite gay or straight pairings or husbandos and getting tons of likes without actively farming for engagement and they seethe and wished that were them instead and that we all liked their ugly coffee shop AU husbando with a vagina, masectomy scars, vitiligo (not trendy anymore though it seems) and horrifying fashion sense instead.
No.2601
>>2542>ex-fujos is a funny concept. Why do they act as if gay men literally suffer from random fujos reading some bl?In my experiences gay dudes are either 1) don't give a shit, into bara 2) 4chen gay dudes who I can't tell from fujos are into anime shipping
EVERY single of these "sexualize stuff" is made by some blue hair retardo I swear.
No.2626
>>2585kek dangerously based take. I thought the same and knew it wasn't worth my while
No.2627
>>2582>video going off about how all fujoshi are 12-year-olds>while drawing like a 12-year-oldWhy are youtube drama/opinion accounts always like this? I checked her twitter from that time and none of her sketches have any construction.
Wait scratch that, I just found that she was 16 when she made that video. No wonder she was only exposed to 12-15-year-olds making those weird stock asset comic memes. Anyway, if you find us talking about ya, I forgive you for only seeing your own shitty peers back then, but you really gotta start working on your sketch methods or you'll keep giving people two right hands.
No.2628
>>2582The main thing I remember about this video is she said fudanshis were yuri fans.
No.2629
>>2628KEK the only way this could have been funnier was if she pronounced it fundanshi or fundashi
No.2666
>>2665Wtf is that first one talking about? Talking shit about metal and rock music is some early purity culture shit. Like Christian soccer mom levels of purity.
No.2668
>>2665the word "degenerate" became a sort of alt-right dogwhistle due to how white supremacists and puritans tend to use the term against minorities, homosexuals and overall "sexual deviants", so it's hilarious to me whenever anti-fujo use it, along with shit like "freaks", as if it was some kind of deep insult or something.
No.2674
>>2666>666Dang nonna, that's metal.
I did a search for the original tumblr post and found the context.
No.2675
>>2674>fanfiction created fujoshisthe way this is phrased makes it sound like fanfiction somehow existed on its own, without having been authored, yet was also capable of corrupting its readers into fujoshidom. i’m now imagining fanfic as some sort of cursed artifact kek. but i also wonder just who they think authored the first m/m fanfics if not fujoshis. were those authors “pure” m/m shippers??
>the horny preteen girl fandombecause heaven forbid adolescent girls have sexual feelings and explore them through fictional mediums. boys are watching porn in middle school now but yeah, girls reading fanfiction is the real problem at hand here.
No.2676
>>2665>how could a fujo be friends with a transwomanYea idk either, one is just peacefully living their best life, and the other one is a mentally ill, psychotic man with a fetish for wearing women's clothing and going into women's washroom and other spaces. For fujo's sake I hope they don't befriend troons.
No.2678
>>2668lol I love social media these days. anti-fujos put "freaks dni" in their bios like thats not incredibly fucking vague and can apply to any type of person. What a bunch of actual tards.
No.2679
>>2678I like to imagine people who are into leather horseplay with riding crops see these and go "aww" and close the page.
No.2687
>>2665>fujoshits are degeneratesthey sound like actual groypers. there's nothing woke nlog pooners and incel coomers hate more than women minding their own business and having fun.
No.2691
>>2690In my case CLAMP turned me into a fujoshi at the age of 6 because of Toya/Yukito. These kids weren't even born yet.
No.2693
>>2691I blame reading CLAMP at a young age too, though in my case it was a combo of Subaru/Seishiro and Doumeki/Watanuki.
It's incredible that such a prolific and mainstream manga group is so blatantly fujoshi.
No.2699
>>2690that pic is so cute, i love couples with stubble
No.2797
>>2795for a split-second i thought the screenshots in the first pic were fc screenshots and i was like “dear god we’ve broken containment.”
No.2803
>>2795>fujin has a nonbinary queer aceflux demiboy looking avatar of courseWhy must we have overly woke people defending fujos and attacking us on both ends.
No.2805
>>2795On the bottom image, they drew the fujoshi with a seme button, but I thought most fujoshi were made fun of for self inserting into uke?? This is not lore accurate mockery.
>>2796I really wonder what the difference for this person is between yaoi art and mlm art. 3DP? Every ship I hate is yaoi and every ship I like is mlm?
No.2807
>>2796This actually reads like every anti-fujo post on Lolcow kek
No.2823
>>2809I dislike all names names other than fujoshi on the account that yaoi should be exclusively by women for women. Fudanshi need to be exterminated, get all moids out of our communities, they always ruin everything. Whatever the fuck name gendies are trying to come up for themselves also needs to be annihilated because they ruin everything times 2. This is the girl zone, no boys allowed. I am going to war over this, so help me God.
No.2829
>>2796I thought this was your average homophobic retard at first.
No.2830
>>2823Fujin isn't a gendie thing, it's basically the fujo equivalent of what firefighter is to fireman/firewoman but it is annoying how they're pigeonholing it into trans nonbinary shit. Anecdotally, a lot of Japanese fujoshi I've seen online don't even call themselves fujoshi (腐女子), they just have the 腐 (fu) character in their bios without any gender suffix attached.
No.2831
>>2796What even is this schizo babble? Yaoi can be sfw too.
>>2807Kek you're right
No.2832
>>2830I’ve never ever heard of Japanese people using 腐人. I thought it was purely a Western creation, the politically correct gender neutral version of 腐女子
No.2833
>>2832AYRT yeah I'm mistaken, I don't see Japanese people use it either. I assumed it was a catch-all term that no one uses but still exists anyway. I just searched it up on Twitter and it's mostly used in context of oldjos calling themselves kifujin.
No.2834
>>2823Shit take. If something's good it's good and I will use it. Not like I paid anything for the pleasure.
>>2830>>2832I thought it was just for referring to mixed gender crowds to be honest. Like certain days of Comiket are fujin no kuni.
No.2910
>>2905Damn. I like some otome works too, but I don't know where yumes get off thinking their stuff isn't depraved. Yang from piofiore literally won like second place in the reddit otome popularity poll overall, and Yang is extremely violent, kek. He's even violent to the main character. How can they say yumes aren't as degen?
No.2917
>>2912Nothing wrong with liking any of these things, abuse stories are also popular in BL but pretending it's somehow less degenerate when it's happening in otome is pathetic. Especially since men abusing women is so common in real life. Which is also why I can't help but laugh when is see yumes saying yaoi is misogynistic.
I've played an otome game where the protagonist has to lose weight so she can get a boyfriend. There's this character who won't date you unless your weight is 45 kg. It had an all ages rating iirc, what kind of message is it sending to young girls ? At least all the misogynistic yaoi I've read was 18+
No.2921
>>2917Yeah it's the denialism and lack of self awareness that gets me. I've had yumes sperg at me about how BL as a genre is just about obscene rape porn but completely overlook all the extremely common abuse in otome games, even when it's thrown in their faces they come up with a cope about how it's totally a different thing because [insert reason here]. Japanese yumes in particular are masochistic as fuck and the more abusive the character is the more they enjoy him, personally I can't stomach watching female characters be treated like that but yeah I guess I'm a NLOG pickme drowning in my internalized misogyny for it.
No.2931
>>2912>Kent in 5thAww no fair. I loved that autist.
No.2932
>>2809"Don't use this word because the reading already means something else in japanese" is a super retarded take for japanese in particular, sorry.
No.2943
>>2932sa, it was meant in the way that if "nonbinaries" are so desperate to find a word that doesnt mean "woman" why use a word that already reads like "lady" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it just came across counterproductive to their own cause. fwiw, until
>>2830 explained the definition i didn't even know fujin existed as a word that wasn't just online kids and maladjusted adults making shit up for "inclusivity" again to probably just sell badges saying "FUJIN" with a flag background or something lol. to me it came across as a poorly researched made up word that coincidentally sounded like the exact type of word they were trying to avoid in the first place.
No.2960
>>2905Kek, that was me who posted that.
>>2912But with that being said…
Based Ukyo > Kent >>>>>> Toma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ikki
Toma is a yandere yeah but he has some meme appeal like Shiki in togainu no chi, the other two asshole guys I just cannot stand.
I think this is just a thing with VN fans in general though, the abusive boy is usually the most popular in BL as well as long as they're not ugly as shit like Mink.
I do think yumes claiming to be more 'pure' are really stupid though, just admit we all like red flag yandere boys and we'll all be closer to true equality.
No.3022
>>3020I was in the fandom discourse thread on LC when this was posted. Shit was funny as fuck.
No.3023
>>3020I haven't seen an actual heated fujo vs yume war in years and it was on LC of all places kek. That was the most active that thread has ever been, anons were coming left and right every 5 minutes.
No.3024
>>3020Kek, this image is so funny.
No.3026
>>3023Lolcow yumes are seriously on par with k-pop stans with their spergery, they first start accusing fujos of ruining their lives because someone drew their husbando being fucked in the ass and then assume victim position when facing opposition while blaming fujos for derailing the thread. And I'm pretty sure one of them is a janny because bans with redtexts are handed in literally seconds whenever the discussion gets heated while blatant racebait in other threads of /ot/ is ignored for hours, it's always for the fujo defenders for "infighting" too while the yumes throwing a tard fit go on with no consequences despite going off the rails with their unhinged tantrums. They literally have an anti-fujo containment thread and even that's not enough for them, and of course the yume cringe/hetshipper cringe threads were locked immediately upon creation.
No.3027
>>3026The yume cringe thread getting locked was retarded as fuck when there's an ongoing fujo cringe thread. They deserve to be made fun of too, where is the equality?
No.3028
>>3026I swear some of them sounded like soyjack party's anti-fujo posters with how they insulted fujos.
No.3029
>>3026>I'm pretty sure one of them is a jannyyou're right. it's an open secret that one of the loud husbando thread retards is a janny, they're very smug about it too. the lolcow admin began intentionally scouting retards for the farmhand team a couple years ago because they don't act up behind the scenes. she doesn't give a fuck about the site itself so they're more or less allowed to run rampant.
No.3030
>>3029Is there any proof to this? It's not that I'm denying it because it sure as hell is suspicious that demented husbandofags are under special protection while fujos get punished all the time but I don't know if this is just speculation.
No.3031
>>3020love how they tried to own teh evul pornsick fujos but they still end up self-owning. stay mad, yumes of lc. they will always be salty over fujos' resilience, perseverance and artistic capability.
>>3023same, i didn't even know yume vs fujo wars were a thing until lc. i always thought hetshippers were fujos' sworn archnemesis.
>>3029this is the only logical explanation
No.3033
>>3030iirc that janny would post in the husbando thread with the farmhand tag on or something, they reference it quite a bit. even if not (unlikely) all the yumes there get insanely pissed at any fujo related posts and will mass report them and cry in /meta/ nonstop according to the lc admin's own words in /meta/ kek idk what their problem is or why else the farmhands give in to their little tantrums. the whole situation with dumbass shit thread was hilarious.
but autosaging the cozy thread out of bitterness that it got more popular than the sperg one was pathetic. every time something fun happens for once those autistic ass pandemicfags rally against it. I might go back to ignoring lc, or maybe will become super villain and start to spam sexy nitro chiral cgs in dumbass shit sometimes. I used to be mod there years ago, here is trade secret: there was a bug related to banning IPv6 addresses that made ban evasion effortless to people who had them. all they needed to do was restart their device, or clear browser data if it's a hellban. the admin was never able to fix it cuz the site is made of dusty spaghetti, thats why they keep trying to migrate to a new one. and IPv6 ban evasion stonks are still going strong to this day - my yaoi bans went poof when I restarted my phone on 5g ~` ω´~マ try it!
No.3035
>>3033>iirc that janny would post in the husbando thread with the farmhand tag on or somethingI actually remember seeing that happen which is why the yumejanny speculations were confirmed. It's laughably blatant too, I remember at some point husbandofagging with an anti-fujo agenda got really bad on LC and it was everywhere, and no matter how many times I reported it for obvious infighting nothing happened. I had been on LC for years without any bans but suddenly I received them multiple times (I use a VPN so joke's on them) for challenging those retards on their "fujos are all misogynistic trannies" discourse and it always happened almost immediately after my post so it was clear that I was arguing with a farmhand tripdropping. And besides the husbandofag cringe thread being locked immediately upon creation with no reason, it's also evidenced in the way the previous fandom discourse thread was locked when some husbandofag was having an autistic meltdown at fujoanons (over female characters I think?), losing the fight to the point of literally throwing poo everywhere and making even non-fujo anons think she's out of it. What a baby, my friend was also a mod many years ago and back then there were at least one fujo on the team, sad to witness this change.
No.3038
>>3037>It was better than anything I did with real moids.Believable but still depressing.
No.3040
>>3038Honestly that fact makes it worse. If she was socially awkward or a young teen and didn't have any irl experience with someone it'd make sense for her to fully retreat to a fictional man. But the fact that she has enough self awareness to have been with someone 3D but still fully commits to the man is bizarre. I would have figured someone at that age would have grown beyond self-inserting.
I think it's fine to husbandofag and collect merch or find him hot. I don't think it's normal to make out with a plush. Glass houses and all, nit I'm allowed to find something weird.
No.3041
>>3037>but escalation usually comes from porn consumption, doesn't it? And I don't look at pornography so it will be fine.>the entire rest of the postThis is the most severe cope I've ever seen. In case there was any doubt that these people are unironic autists, this is autism behavior 101.
No.3053
>>3037As an autistic husbandofag, this is the shit that always makes me walk out of waifuist groups.
Except for that one time where someone was constructing a sex doll behind the back of their abusive bf, because the whole thing was a trainwreck of DIY horrors mixed with problem family soap opera.I don't want to know what you're doing with your own body and bodily fluids. I turned up to talk about cute boys and feelings for cute boys and chaste activities in honor of the cute boys wherein I imagine the cute boys. I don't want to be picturing some other girl gobbing all over fabric and whatever the fuck else. Don't fucking reply to my posts about a fictional man with details about your 3D physical form, I am not fucking interested in how you feel about your own secondary sexual traits completely unprompted. Anyway back to that example,
>Is this any different from hugging a pillow?Bitch you might as well soak him in milk for a week and throw him at the wall. Your plush collectible is not recovering and god knows what went in your mouth either. Do you even understand what kissing is? Hugging can be a one person operation, but prolonged kissing
involves living breathing interaction. What is even the point? What did you achieve beyond the taste of cotton and polyester? Goddamn. I'm pretty sure that's called a mental breakdown, or a genuine hormonal imbalance. You don't have to be looking at porn to be aroused to the point of interfering with your normal judgement. Female biology is like that when it goes wrong.
No.3056
Fucked up the spoiler tags, hang on.
>>3054It's been some years so the details are fuzzy, but it started with some posts where she fantasized about her husbando and said he must fuck better than her boyfriend, and how wonderful and caring he must be. Full aftercare and hugs and kissing. She then would talk about having the house to herself after the kids went to school so she would masturbate, and there was some offhand mention that she couldn't leave the house during the day unless her boyfriend was off work. She starts going on about how her husbando must have a big dick and which of these dildos do you think is a big enough dick, something like she'd been practicing with makeshift sex toys at home (cucumber anyone?) and wanted to order a real quality one.So then it turns out she "can't leave the house" during the day because her boyfriend says she'll buy alcohol, and she's not allowed alcohol or other men in the house because he doesn't trust her with them. So she's just doing housecleaning then going on the internet with her phone every day and masturbating.The massive dildo arrives and she's very happy with it but she wants more husband material with the dildo, so she orders a spare pillow and grabs one of her boyfriend's shirts and a baseball cap, and I don't remember, tapes the dildo to the pillow or something? Something was the head and there was some fuss about making arms with tights and stuffing them so it could hug her. Think those boyfriend pillows with the arm but crossed with a children's homemade spider halloween costume. And she's hiding this pillow and everything behind the sofa, but gets paranoid that her boyfriend thinks she's seeing someone else, even though he's tracking her phone and knows she was "in the house". Evidently she's too happy with her pillow friend.There was some drama about him finding out she'd been buying stuff on Amazon but the payments just said Amazon, not what she was buying. One night after that she was posting a shitload of typos and saying she had drunk a lot and she didn't care what was coming to her because he'd already beat her for buying a pillow on Amazon. I don't remember what happened, if anything, after that, but I'll always remember this lady and her duct tape pillow sex doll. Sadly I never saved the photos.
No.3057
>>3056Jesus I'm hoping this saga is made up as a troll attempt or creative writing exercise
No.3059
>>3056oh my fucking god. thank you for typing all that out, nonna. i hope the psychic damage wasn’t too much.
>having the house to herself after the kids went to schoolthis is somehow the worst part of it for me (aside from the domestic abuse ofc), the fact that there are children caught in the middle of this. i’m definitely with
>>3057 in hoping that it’s fake, because otherwise it’s just too intense a combo of depression and batshit insanity.
No.3061
>>3060it's scary how retarded lolcow has become. unironically drivel on par with twitter.
No.3062
>>3060>hetship content in fandomsIf they want more het content that isn't shit, they should stop looking in the wrong place. Fandom is not gonna have more het stuff because the most popular fandom places were made by and for fujos. And they casually gloss over the fact that they should be looking into romance novels that aren't retarded ya.
No.3063
>>3060not only are these people too lazy to make their own content, they can't even be assed to look for anything beyond harems made for moids. maybe they should take some notes from the fujo playbook instead of complaining
No.3064
>>3062>>3063Yeah I have no problem with people wanting het content for their non-canon ships, but they have to make their own stuff.
No.3065
*slapping counter top* FEED. YER. SELF.
Never known a hetshipper in any anime fandom I'm in who bitched that their ship weren't actually canon and they weren't getting official content, just got on with writing/drawing what they wanted to see. Same as any shipping, you start with decent characters and you do with them what you like to see.
Ones who bitched that their ship was canon though? Yeugh. We get it, we get it, there was never any confirmation but because they were sat together on some obscure clearfile art and heterosexuality is the norm that means "if there were romance in the story" they would have been it. You don't need to rub it in, we are all used to this assumption.
No.3066
>>3060So the hetero drought being made up bullshit aside, by complaining do they expect fujos to drop everything and start catering to them? Is it our job to create content *they* want to see? I don't know how else I'm supposed to interpret that.
No.3067
>>3060God, the cherrypicking and entitlement Lolcow users have is insane. These are the same people who turn around to insult fujos and say that their m/m ship in non BL-content isn't canon because 99.99% of all people are straight and then get mad and jealous at the girl in m/f ships if she's not 100% self insert material.
>>3066They mostly just hate fujos being a thing to begin with. It's not about there not being enough het content, it's that there's too much fujo content.
No.3068
>>3067>it's that there's too much fujo content not only that. I'm gonna rant a bit, we shouldnt stand for BS. Pic Related.
a few years ago I was into this one bl novel (spring trees), the community wasnt much. Later, got into danmei again bc of untamed,tgcf, etc and look, anything-BL mlm or whatever related shoulnt go too far in the spotlight, people will make up shit and ruin it *because* its bl and newbies and zoomers twist even the most straightfoward shit and call u illiterate for… not going against the canon BL…in BL. I'm not joking.*
I dont care about headcanons but when you hate male characters and invande a genre full of them made by creators who fought, invested and evolved the BL genre to what it is now (especially danmei where chinese have to get creative to avoid radar, risk jail time etc), and have uhh takes, virtual-signal and want your ~female focus~ in BL of all fucking places when the genre literally had to be separated from everything and everyone else, it's so absurd. Why are you here if you hate? Why turn canon gay male characters into straight characters bc gay characters that arent women disgust you or bore you. This is backhanding BL creators and true fans in the face and unironically more homophobic than anything 2012 BL fans ever said.
And I say this as someone who likes female characters and ships outside of BL. If someone headcanoned hetcontent or lesbian content as bl, ppl would lose their minds, when they do it to the BL genre without backlash.
This is scratching the surface of it, theyre completely serious and even when BL fans stay in their lane and communities they cant leave it alone. Bl cant be bl because it puts diverse male focus for once but its the wrong kind of gay oh and bc wlw and het are the only good ones. No this isnt scary similiar to a homophobic dudebro opinion what do you mean.
Idc if you are les or bi or whatever or read genderbent but if you truly enjoy bl, dont talk shit like this, if anyone said this in reverse they would be shredded (and rightfully so)
The one in that qrt in the first one is the same that has the next takes.
The terms danmei and "BOYS Love" must stand for something else
Fellow danmei fans… dear lord
No.3071
>>3068What happened to the MXTX fandom? I used to be really into TGCF/MDZS in 2019 and the fans were never this bad. Even back then there was sizable amount of yuri genderbend but people were normal about it and didn't make it into a "I hate gay men" thing. A TGCF fan saying this is even more retarded considering the novel is literally 700k words. If you have no interest in BL pairings, why even bother reading it? It's not like anyone is holding you at gunpoint. I wish fujos gatekept more but because it's male-focused content you'd probably just get called misogynistic for trying.
No.3073
>>3072>In some ways I get it, because fujos DO produce the most content for fandoms easily.The majority of the hate that fujoshi and BL get boils down to this (aside from general homophobia). It's either dudebros getting mad over seeing yaoi fanart everywhere and thus "ruining" their chad MCs, or hetshippers/yuri/yumefags being jealous they don't have as much content and masking their envy in progressive language by claiming misogyny/BL should be more inclusive/whatever else. The cycle constantly goes: slash enjoyers get shat on, we make our own spaces and create our own stuff, everyone else sees how much there is, they get mad and start demanding fujos to cater to their every need. Either make your own art/fic, pay up, or shut up, why is that so difficult? The entitlement and delusion these people have is insane, if you're shitting on M/M while reading a series where the source material is M/M then you are beyond help.
No.3074
>>3068I am SICK and FUCKING TIRED of the MXTX male characters have literal pussies in the latest slew of art. I hate cuntboy art so much. I hate tranny art so fucking much. But I absolutely despise these contemptuous bitches that produce it. BL is M/M. No cunt should be present unless you happen to ship one of the female characters with one of the non-love interest males. I hate how these pig-disgusting gendies are trying to push out the BOYS in Boys Love.
No.3075
>>3068>Is a lesbian>Has to turn one or two of them into women that way i can enjoy themSo how does this work? You're a lesbian so you hate BL but straight content is okay? I'm a lesbian and I'm perfectly capable of enjoying m/m content as is, these twitter political lesbians are a bunch of clowns that need to return back to their circus. It speaks volumes how they're okay with f/f and m/f but not m/m. Fujos need to gatekeep way more but every time we do these crybully yumes freak the fuck out and accuse us of this and that and we just have to take all the shit every time despite them endlessly consuming the content we make.
>>3072Fujos create the most fandom content because there isn't any canon material to rely on and this is why they seethe so hard. They hate that their subpar boy meets girl tripe gets buried in the tags because fujos are so supportive of each other, so they go the full catholic route and start accusing them of moral bankruptcy to make evil gay stuff go away.
No.3076
>>3071I seriously doubt they even read those books, they're into it just because of the abundance of easy-access fan content and memes. It's just your run of the mill locust swarm working its way through a fujo fandom once again.
No.3077
>>3071>>3072How do you even gatekeep? Not to mention most stuff fujos like isn't even aimed at them/bl, pretty hard to do it lol
No.3078
>>3075God lol my post got way too long but I agree and have shit to say
>So how does this work?Lmfao, right? It doesn't, I'm also lesbian and just like reading homosexual depictions by women because they're relatable, but nothing anyone says on that site makes sense because they will contradict themselves in the same sentence like they're hitting anywhere on the twitter-dartboard to start a fight, all because they read something they didn't like. It's so braindead. I honestly agree with you that these users are like twitter political lesbians, claiming to be something they're not because they're treating shipping and entertainment like a political compass. But I'm so confused why they act like they don't like the media of the fandom they're in at all. Is it to act cool? It feels reminiscent of the 2010s "I don't like anime I'm not a weeb!!1!" while being into Free!!, Snk, a bunch of visual novels, Nge, etc. Like lol okay. I see. You're not like other anime fans. Of course. You're better and more progressive. Got it.
Like fujoshi are some of the most hardworking and creative women on the planet to me. I've not read danmei novels (yet?) since I'm focused on following a few korean webnovels, but do these "fans" even comprehend what they're behaving like?
>It speaks volumes how they're okay with f/f and m/f but not m/m. Fujos need to gatekeep way more but every time we do these crybully yumes freak the fuck out and accuse us of this and that and we just have to take all the shit every time despite them endlessly consuming the content we make.I think it's denial? Or envy? of how strong fujo fandom is, mixed with inadequacy of their own skills they haven't cultivated because they spent all their time arguing on twitter. It's like they've never torrented an art class before or shoved "マンガを描く" into youtube. They don't comprehend that what you do is what you get and fujos eat well because they built their own communities. Zines, doujinshi, blogs, self publishing/doujin circles, meetups, cons, merch. Even "official" channels nowadays like publishers with money will hire an editor to hire artists and writers to make all these BL stories, and then hire translators. Fujos put their hours in. These so called "yuri fans" could too but they don't. Actions speak louder than words and I find it difficult to believe they're not just chatting shit since they never put their money where their mouth is. All these years arguing how they "could never be a fujo" Okay and? What do they have to show for it? Where's their story with love and sex? Do they know their way around a woman's body?
However, I do know from observation of the last decade that real femslashers have been stunted to quite a large degree. Aside from AO3's F/F category basically becoming futa central (despite AO3 mods' claims they "tag wrangle all the time") I have observed that if an artist is actually lesbian they do get targeted for making "'cis' only lesbians".
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No.3079
>>3078>>3075I've seen a number of lesbian artists be sexually harassed off the internet by trans people or trans "activists". Like I'm not a furry but I found out a lesbian furry was accused of having a terf blog and I basically watched her get witch hunted off twitter regardless of if it was true or not, screenshots were posted to fuel the fire but it was never confirmed to have been her, I tried reaching out to her but she thought I was one of them, she seemed really traumatised from losing all her friends overnight. Same with another lesbian artist all because she didn't have 'she/her' pronouns in bio (she had none at all) which was "possibly terfy". A different lesbian artist I followed received anonymous asks because she ONLY had she/her in bio and not 'she/they' so she got asked if she was a cis lesbian and a terf. Another lesbian only drew butch4butch art and never mentioned MTFs once but apparently that was grounds for stalking her blog, keyword searching her tumblr url on google to see if she was "secretly liking terf posts" and stalking anyone she replied to. It was insane behaviour. There are even others like these. Oh, I do remember a woman drawing a picture of two women straddling each other, and a MTF responded to her fanart, WITH her own fanart overlayed with text he wrote in impact font "That's right… That's my girlcock you can feel." It was truly disgusting. I commissioned a lesbian artist for GL fanart, she was a storyboard artist so she had the skill (and I still use her art as my icon), but she didn't feel she could come out because of the backlash she'd get. She found solace in fujo fandoms but I wished she'd taken the risk and drawn more GL, she had mine and others support all the way. But yeah. I think the potential for abuse and learned helplessness is a big part of it. Also not to mention it's difficult to actually explore your own sexuality when you're constantly being discouraged and sexually harassed and men take up all your dating apps. What's there to write and draw about?
Anyway, true himedanshi are generally respectful as men and actively like having their existence rejected in a GL work, they don't fight to self insert.
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No.3080
>>3079>>3075If these users are actually lesbian, my theory is that I think the fujohate is just a projection of the homophobia they receive from those male trans activists (and female trans activists who will back them up like little attack dogs because they see a lesbian artist as just another tool to aquire good standing with these untouchable mtfs who hate women), and so the female fans, no matter what pronouns they use, who don't want to be attacked, feel they can't do anything right and don't even try to start, on top of that they can't get mad at the males in question about it because the males will start punching walls (metaphorically speaking), so those female fans enact horizontal hostility and start taking it out on other women instead, like fujoshi, because fujoshi have always been easy targets in fandom despite any attacks against fujoshi looking like a dinghy going up against a warship.
I've noticed the chances of projection are higher if the female fans have pronouns in bio because they've already started rejecting the concept of being female, thus rejecting any potential unity with other women, and believe they can now join in with the Men by being misogynistic. Like okay are you sure you want to go down this Bad End route? Reeaally think about it.
Anyway yeah those are my observations on how fandom culture is going. Sad state of affairs. I think fans need to go back to small forums and utilise personal livejournal/dreamwidth style blogs again (I know at least that dreamwidth allows real NSFW content and is funded by its users and not advertisers), because obviously the set ups of twitter and tumblr are just destroying healthy fandom interactions and any potential fan activity from eng fandoms. Asian fandoms don't seem to give a fuck as per usual. But eng fandoms could really benefit from being curious again. Instead of "suggested" posts fans will have to join a friendfinder and keyword search things (Tinhat but I believe suggested posts started as a corporate internet way of getting content out there but actually had the effect of babying users and teaching them that content will be given to them if they just sit there which contributed to fandom entitlement). I think LJ/DW are really effective when it comes to gatekeeping with their "locked" entries whilst still letting the account comment on other users' posts. Dedicated forums are great for establishing ground rules of "Don't like don't read" too and have many opportunities for creating categorised archives of posts at a much slower pace than "content nao pl0x" sites like twitter/tiktok/tumblr which feed the FOMO belief.
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No.3082
>>3075I don't get this either, I'm bisexual myself but I'd rather see M/M content over M/F because I enjoy gay content more. Having one women there doesn't do anything for me and if anything turning an M/M ship into M/F is even worse, at least keep it gay and genderbend it fully into F/F.
>>3079>I've seen a number of lesbian artists be sexually harassed off the internet by trans people or trans "activists". I've never seen the witch-hunting and people being schizophrenic over lesbian artists being TERFs myself but I don't doubt that happens. Most of the time I just see people slyly trying to get "cis lesbian"/"afab only" yuri artists to draw futa by guilting them for muh trans representation purposes and whatnot. I've seen a lot of lesbians on Twitter and imageboards say that futa discourages them to interact with F/F content so they feel more comfortable in BL circles because it's the only space where there's actual homosexual content, etc. I lurked the NSFW side of twitter for a GL pairing I liked and half of the posts were about girlcock which basically killed all of my interest for it. It's probably the case that most of these outspoken and fervent "yuri" enjoyers are polilez because putting up with that shit as an actual lesbian must be annoying.
No.3084
>>3072>In some ways I get it, because fujos DO produce the most content for fandoms easilyNah, fuck them, don't give them any benefit of the doubt. They could write shit. I try looking for f/f fics and the fandoms are full of people crying that you can't write fic if the f/f ship isn't canon, and they're so afraid of any conflicts or ships with real obstacles, which is what makes fic worth reading in the first place. Nothing can be sustained by just fluffy high school girls holding hands and going on ice dream dates all the time. They could try being less boring and let ships be problematic the way that fujos can. Fujos are just better at letting ships be for entertainment and not representation, which f/f fandoms can't do.
No.3085
>>3080>my theory is that I think the fujohate is just a projection of the homophobia they receive from those male trans activistsda here, its telling how fandom is supposed to be a safe haven for women with nerdy interests/hobbies to express themselves yet the politics of fujohate are an exact mirror of the pickmeism and ways women uphold sexism that you would encounter irl. in short, women suck up to men and put down other women to gain a modicum of power (as much power as moids will let them have) and cement their position in power hierarchies.
>spicy straights / polilezzies infecting M/M content, especially original BL works like danmei, with their trans headcanons, genderbending, hetbending and whatnot>TIFs who unconditionally support TIMs and their push to infiltrate F/F content with futa>hetshippers who accuse fujos of having internalized misogyny while they act like they're persecuted for shipping M/F and treat shipping M/F as some brave revolutionary feminist act>yumes over on lc who seethe at the mere thought of their husbandos taking it up the ass. lc-brand yumes are a special breed of yume; not surprising since the farms tends to attract unhinged users in general
>I think fans need to go back to small forums and utilise personal livejournal/dreamwidth style blogs againsame, alas i feel like it'll take a cataclysmic event to finally put twitter to rest. something at least on the scale of strikethrough or tumblr nsfw ban, those kinds of policy changes that deal the death blow for social media platforms. people thought that apartheid clyde's acquisition of twitter was the kiss of death and a ton of alternatives popped up (bluesky, threads, pillowfort, etc) to take the mantle but as long as twitter lives, none of those are going to take off.
No.3086
>>3079For all the retarded virtue signaling they do they sure fucking hate flesh and blood lesbians who aren't projectable femme anime girls anyone can slobber over. Scratch a "sapphic" yuri fan and a homophobe will bleed.
>Another lesbian only drew butch4butch art and never mentioned MTFs once but apparently that was grounds for stalking her blog, keyword searching her tumblr url on google to see if she was "secretly liking terf posts" and stalking anyone she replied to. Yep, I've seen this happen. MTFs and their handmaidens literally think that being butch or into butches and I mean *actual* masculine butches, not just "undercut and a tank top", is a "TERF dogwhistle".
>Oh, I do remember a woman drawing a picture of two women straddling each other, and a MTF responded to her fanart, WITH her own fanart overlayed with text he wrote in impact font "That's right… That's my girlcock you can feel." Genuinely horrifying. I've received similar comments from men on my BL art (I draw cute boys and ugly ass misogynistic incel "femboys" reply with "totally like me fr" on them) and that's bad enough but lord help me this is exactly what's keeping me from drawing f/f.
>>3080>those female fans enact horizontal hostility and start taking it out on other women insteadThis is how it actually is in my experience. All the aggressiveness goes towards other women because they're the only ones who are receptacle to the abuse. Fujos have always been the bottom rung of any fandom ladder that everyone takes a shit on because they create content men can't enjoy, so people are rewarded for being hostile towards them. Hate that most m/f content is dog shit created by moids? It's the fujos that you should lash at, they're out there creating all this gay shit in the series tags and it's why you can't have your hot husbando, not because everything needs to be acceptable to the male gaze.
No.3087
>>3023I've never seen a fandom with more psycho yumes until Genshin.
No.3088
>>3087it's weird because all the men from that game are ugly and boring. I guess the shittiness is what makes it a brainlet magnet.
No.3091
>>3087>>3088I'm only an outside observer but I always assumed the Genshin fandom is cancerous in general because it's a widely accessible free game which will inevitably lead to lots of underaged mouthbreathers getting into it.
No.3092
>>3087Same. I'm a genshinfag and the yumes and hetshippers are insane. They hate sharing a fandom with fujos and himes and when they're not creating out of character random hetships with their self insert characters of choice they come up with forced ships featuring same sex shippers' favourite characters just to spite them, actually elementary school level petty and childish. The amount of annoying hetbending going around is also out of control, constantly making the other male of the ship into a woman because they need to be able to visualize the ship as a straight one to tolerate it. The fujos of the fandom are amazing and create so much great content so I'm not leaving but the rest are insufferable.
No.3093
>>3085>hetshippers who accuse fujos of having internalized misogyny while they act like they're persecuted for shipping M/F and treat shipping M/F as some brave revolutionary feminist actThe entirety of lolcow kek. I know we keep bringing it up but it's hilarious how despite all the manhate on that site they're still obsessed with their husbandos to the point they intensively make out with their plushies (which they naturally consider brave and stunning based radfem behavior) and have the lowest of low value manchild boyfriends they complain about while seething at fujos calling them misogynists and using the lack of female characters (i.e. their self inserts) in BL as a bad faith argument against them. If the unhinged /g/ threads didn't exist I'd call them maleposters trying to pit women against each other but as sad as it is they're likely actual women seeing how even the notorious yumejanny keeps banning fujoposters on sight.
No.3094
>>3093the farms in general are a paradox. on one hand you have obviously mentally ill women nitpicking some no-name e-thot's vagina to the extent you'd think they're moids, on the other hand you have some of the most intense manhate you'll encounter on the english-speaking internet.
i dont browse the yume threads since i value my brain cells but the unhinged hypocritical yumes - the ones who will accuse fujos of internalized misogyny while uttering the most deranged maledom fantasies in the same breath - are not so different from lc's general user base. they're the type of people who call themselves radfems - probably because they're traumatized by irl moids (and rightfully so) - but they also don't see anything wrong with punching down on other women, whether they be other cows (eg shayna, venus angelic, etc), tifs, fujos, etcetera.
for all its manhate, you'd think that lc users would unconditionally embrace yaoi since fujo culture is the closest phenomenon society has to a female gaze, the purest expression of female sexuality by women for women that does not benefit men.
No.3095
>bombguy's 2 hour evisceration of james somerton
Thank fucking god. He is 1000% responsible for every annoying as fuck AFAB tenderqueer who has ever posted anti-fujo stuff.
No.3096
>>3095I know right? The first video I ever watched by James was his Dahmer one so it was cathartic to see someone point out how blatantly misogynistic he is.
Hbomber is too smug and smarmy for my liking, but I'm glad someone is putting James in his place, he always seemed so uniformed about the fandom content he talked about to the point I blocked his channel.
No.3099
>>3095>>3096Holy shit lmfao I had no idea who this James guy was until now.
>He is 1000% responsible for every annoying as fuck AFAB tenderqueer who has ever posted anti-fujo stuff.I feel like I'm learning the influences of every fangirl in the bto comments section who has the male gender marker next to her name, saying what a "good portrayal of mlm sexuality" the story in question is, or how hot it is (but she's allowed to say that because she's a "fundashi" unlike other fangirls), all with shit like "SICK of fetishization from fujoshi" in bio roflll.
One time I saw two of these fakers fight. One had commented (on a manhwa that wasn't even that good) "I'M SO GAAAY" and the other had replied "You sure about that sweetheart?" They both had 50+ upvotes on their comments. Felt like I was going insane.
>The first video I ever watched by James was his Dahmer one so it was cathartic to see someone point out how blatantly misogynistic he isI don't want to give him views, what did he say that stuck with you?
No.3101
>>3099WTF, who is psychotic enough to memorize stuff so you can plagiarize a video like that?
No.3102
>>3095Same reaction, I'm so happy when moids who constantly shit on women get shit on themselves.
No.3103
>>3071I got into SVSSS in 2018-19? At that time I already considered MDZS too big a fandom and full of shitshows from the kids who didn't actually read the books. The real reason the TGCF shit is absurd is because
they have a canon genderbend pairing. I follow some lesbian/bi artists who are all over it and rec actual fxf Chinese novel translations. It's really sad how hard a time they have trying to drum up any interest.
I genuinely think some of the examples in the screencaps are fetishism. People using terms and phrases that feel sexual or cutesifying because of their mental associations. I know some gendered terms people hate have porn-y associations for me, and in the middle of talking lewd things I might use it to heighten the horniness of the situation. I swear they're using it like that.
>thing: male terms>boring! just some guy!>thing: female terms>WOO BABY HUBBA HUBBA SO SLUTTY>>3101You can watch his eyes following an autocue a lot of the time.
>>3099NTA, but he made up shit about Dahmer ships being super omg popular and mainstream with teenage girls but "never the ones with black people because white women are terrible racists", and went off about how Dahmer was used to "fuel anti-gay gangs that claimed any gay man could turn out to be the next Dahmer so they all had to die". The truth is there's only one non-yume Dahmer ship with any content and it's with a black guy, and the only weaponizing of Dahmer in the media had been threatening gay people
with Dahmer. Toddintheshadows made a vid fact checking a ton of his stuff, but it goes on so long I completely lost focus after the absurd Nazi bullshitting.
It's all made up shit to say gay men are persecuted but secretly so important everywhere and no one will admit it, while simultaneously ranting that somehow women are all disgusted by gay men existing and are the biggest threat to the existence of gay media. How dare women consume gay media, they must be demanding it be less gay after deliberately opening it!
Somerton's "best videos" were all lifted from academic textbooks. His worst are the anime ones because he couldn't find good enough texts to rip off and started forcing other subjects he could find texts for into it ("this video is about No. 6 SIKE IT'S ABOUT TRANS EXCLUSION!"). He went on about being a fan just like you to fleece people of their cash and tease anime analysis content people wanted to see, but he doesn't know SHIT about anime and just started reading fandom wiki pages. Then when people point out his content is sucking he goes "wah wah I'm gay you can't hate me you don't understand you evil cis straight woman".
And it fucking worked. People defended him as a "minority", but his whole audience was women and he was routinely shitting on them for reasons he'd invented.
No.3104
>>3099>I don't want to give him views, what did he say that stuck with you?This nonna beat me to it in terms of summarizing.
>>3103 but personally I was struck by the fact that he implied that serial killer fangirls were only interested in Dahmer because he only killed other gay people and not women. He also brought up Killing Stalking and Hannibal as similar fangirl who were only interested in the gay relationships because it was another man in peril. I remember that stuck out to me because like every serial killer has fangirls and most darkfic and problematic shippers equally like "murder husband" dynamics and the like. I don't even do RPS but the fact that he implied they were all subtlety homophobic rubbed me the wrong way, nevermind the fact that half of them ship themselves with the killers. He also just has a really weird inflection in general and seemed to sneer every time he mentioned women. Very bad vibes all around.
No.3105
>>3103>The real reason the TGCF shit is absurd is because they have a canon genderbend pairing.Are you talking about Beefleaf? I remember that being super popular (including their genderbent versions). What annoys me is the whole "SQX is canonically trans/genderfluid" shit. It was always a thing but I didn't see it majorly take off until like 2020, before that it was just some they/them fics here and there and people were cognizant it was a headcanon. I already lost most of my interest in MXTX by then but it seemed like it got worse after the official Seven Seas translation said he used he/she/they pronouns or whatever in his character description. Before that a lot of people just saw it as a shapeshifting/fun genderbender trope and not an actual trans thing. The fandom looks like a trainwreck now that the donghua came out so a bunch of normies got into it. I basically dropped MDZS for TGCF as soon as The Untamed started airing because I knew the fans were going to be annoying as fuck so it's sad that happened to TGCF too.
>I follow some lesbian/bi artists who are all over it and rec actual fxf Chinese novel translations. It's really sad how hard a time they have trying to drum up any interest.I remember FGEP and JWQS(?) used to get shilled a lot by a popular artist but very few people cared about either of them, mostly just retweeted art of it at most. Not that people should be forced to like it but a lot of people treated those series as their token baihe novels for performative "I like yuri too" purposes.
No.3106
The Hbomberguy video was wild to me cause I had no idea somerton even existed before.Guess my youtube algorithm was doing something right. Honestly as the video kept going on and on I was half expecting there to be a revelation that he was faking being gay too.
No.3107
>>3095Interesting video, never knew about this guy, that being said the internet historian part where he passive aggressively throws shade at his audience is pretty cringey.
No.3108
>>3107It is, Harry is too left-leaning to like his content. I don't care if he personally thinks IH is xyz, people are allowed to like what they like for whatever reason. But insulting and making sweeping statements about fans of anyone is thoughtless and mean-spirited. Especially when you have skeletons in the closet like H "rapemachine" Bomberguy.
Again though interesting video, well presented, and FUCK people who use their gayness to shit on women.
No.3109
>>3095i was today years old when i learned this balding, papercut-lipped moid existed but i will never not cheer when misogynistic men get their just desserts. i hope this incident will teach the wider public that gay moids can be just as virulently misogynistic as their straight counterparts.
side note: i can understand not recognizing lifted content from random youtubers or obscure academic articles but how the hell did he get away with plagiarizing from something as notable as the celluloid closet for so long?? are zoomers so media illiterate that they unconditionally trust youtube influencers who position themselves as an authority? no wonder he got away with making a living off swiping words verbatim for so long. anyways fuck this moid for perpetuating misinformation about fujos but also fuck the viewers who treated him like a primary source.
No.3114
>>3109If anything, gay men are even more misogynistic than the average moid. Loathe em to bits.
No.3117
>>3109>are zoomers so media illiterate that they unconditionally trust youtube influencers who position themselves as an authority?Unirocally, yes, it's a huge problem. But, in all fairness people don't expect being conned and lied to, even though they probably should.
No.3118
its ALWAYS ugly tifs crying about homos being fetishized when gay men would hate crime their unwashed testosterone fat folds for trying to hook up
i hate trannies and 3dpd men
No.3120
>>3114Yeah gay men are famous to rape women and beat their girlfirned. Come on the fuck now.
No.3121
>>3120That is not the definition of misogyny. That's just being a terrible person. I'm not a misandrist if I go around beating up men, I'm just an asshole.
No.3123
>>3121Oh ok, I'm talking on one of those weird lolcow users who are homophobics but flip when you insult their husbands.
No.3127
>>3120>>3123I'm surprised that nonna even said that. The definition of misogyny doesn't include beating up women?? Men's violence is the biggest ignored global epidemic lol. It's like that 4chan post that goes "If i never see any seeds when i eat potatoes then where do they come from?" and a guy replies "Them are." Like men abusing women is grounded in a global culture of devaluing women in order to elevate men. The way our current global culture is, it doesn't actually offer women any "misanderist" equivalent to misogyny because then women would need to have the ability to use men like objects at their disposal as a class. So she's half right, she's not a misanderist if she goes around beating men up because her resentment of men is based on her experiences as being a subordinate class and men's part they play in making it that way, but men would be misogynist for being up women because that's the system they created to live in, the power dynamic in action is the act taking place. To the point that even the nicest man, who would never hit a women, still lives in a culture that devalues women and elevates men and makes use of men's violence as a means to control women. If anything, while they can be assholes, gay men undermine this system by not relating to women in a way that subordinates them as a sexual objects.
No.3128
>>3123>>3127I don't like men either, but you guys really don't know the definition of the word. Idk, fair enough being defensive though, maybe you guys were beaten or know people who were.
No.3129
>>3128Never been beaten and I supported my male friend through abuse from his ex gf for 4 years where she actually scarred him and he needed tattoos to cover them up. However just living in The World though I have regularly experienced bs from average males that they got away with, that singular friendships with good men just don't make up for, patriarchy (and misogyny as a result) is social and systemtic so the topic of misogyny is on my mind a lot and I've discussed it with both men and women. I did get heated and assume in the moment that no gay man could ever be as hurtful towards you as a straight man so I am actually sorry about that.
No.3145
>>3095Like others, I wouldn't be surprised if he lied about being gay to shield himself from accusations of misogyny just like he faked all his knowledge about fandom lore, he's a business man who dug into the "queer video essay" genre for money and stole all the content from people who actually wrote from experience. He's so misguided about gay history and blatantly makes shit up to the point it makes my head spin (like the "lesbians had it easy" part) and the way he accuses women being attracted to Jeffrey Dahmer because he killed gay people and *not* because Netflix made a huge error in casting a handsome male actor for his series and making him so sympathetic in it almost had a incel-like tone in ranting about being friendzoned by girls. And naturally insane "I can fix him" husbandofag bullshit gets pinned on the fujo boogeyman yet again. The "Yuri on Ice was deemed straight by DUMB WOMEN ONLY" statement is so fucking hilarious seeing how anyone who's even the slightest bit familiar with the discourse knows it was all men who were seething over a fujo series being such a runaway success. I don't even like hbomberguy but bless him for taking the trash out in such a spectacular way.
No.3148
>>3147
t. delusional faggot? your kind aren't wanted here
No.3149
>>3147
kek please explain why you think lesbians have it easier
No.3151
>>3150
I hate yuri but you sound like a retard for randomly shitting on lesbians as a whole and insisting "they have it easier" like a gay incel. Also, learn english before you call anyone else a retard.
No.3154
>>3153Yeah, not humoring his retardation anymore. Thanks for posting, anon.
No.3156
>>3154No problem. He's notorious for posting unhinged spergouts like this with like 40 tabs open on various female-targeted imageboards and recently he's hyperfixated on fujos and lesbians in particular, faking an identity fitting the situation just to rile people up and pit them against each other. Usually he's aggressively antifujo, or faking being a really edgy homophobic fujo or a rapey lesbian. He can't hide his male aggression and schizoism though so it's always blatantly obvious, just don't engage or give him attention or he'll never stop.
No.3169
>>3168It’s bait, don’t reply
No.3198
>>3197They are not joking, these posts have teleported me back to 2003. The slings and arrows fujos were hit with back then usually boiled down to "you're fat/ugly" and handwringing about how important PLATONIC love was, ESPECIALLY between 2 dudes.
No.3199
>>3197Nothing funnier than whiny shut-ins who contribute nothing to fandom other than spergs and cringe
No.3200
>>3198The funniest part is the chose the two biggest fags possible to claim ‘ITS PLATONIC LOVE YOU FAGS’
No.3201
>>3200In the context of show I can see you interpreting Shinji as lonely, hormonal, and desperate. He shows sexual and romantic love towards any one who shows him affection in the series. But that's still gay in this instance and I don't know how you spin Kaworu as platonic.
But these are probably the same people who used to batch about Shinji being whiney or one of the worst anime characters ever. Talk about misunderstanding the show.
No.3202
>>3201Shinji's is just the classic shy character who's secretly a huge slut.
As for Kaworu, I guess because they husbando him and don't want him to be gay, why you would husbando a character who's entire existence revolves around being a gay homo for the protagonist? Judging by the thread just because he's pretty and they liked Akira Ishida.
No.3214
>>3213>Why the fuck are you jumping to fujoshi here? It's some fucking idiot/child too ensconced in Discourse to look up what words actually mean.
>shonen aiI haven't heard this term in ages, from what I've seen people just use BL as a catchall now instead of distinguishing between shounen ai/yaoi, with 18+ as a marker for NSFW.
No.3215
>>3213>Why the fuck are you jumping to fujoshi here? This person probably thinks fujoshi means "Woman who likes problematic anime porn" or something along those lines. It's like when 4chan users see shoujo anime and call it fujoshit cause they don't know the term yumejoshi. Also as far as I'm aware, in japanese fandom the term Yaoi was meant to describe porn without plot doujins but it's a pretty antiquated term and these days you're just gonna see the term BL. The only time I remember seeing the term yaoi used in a modern anime was the bookseller honda anime and in that context it was indeed used for a Gintama tentacle porn doujin. Using shounen ai for sfw and yaoi for nsfw in the context of regular bl manga and anime was a western invention. I personally only use the term BL cause I'd rather stick to how JP fandom does things.
No.3216
>>3213People on Kiwifarms tend to hate anything anime and even Japanese related because they think it's morally disgusting. It doesn't surprise me that this person doesn't know what fujoshi even means, they're willingly ignorant of anything to do with otaku culture. It's funny also to see people in Kiwifarms moralfag about anything considering the site is just a gossip forum actually full of doxing.
No.3220
>>3213L O fucking L moralfagging about porn on the Kiwifarms of all places. The “b-but fujoshi are just as pornsick as men!!11” braindead take is something that sounds straight outta LC though, which makes me think it’s a Twitterfag.
Side note: I don’t even tune into Western animation but seeing how Vivzie collectively makes both puriteens and farmers seethe makes me want to support her. She’s a relatively successful female creator who realized her dream of seeing her sparkledog fujobait OCs brought to life, so she’s bound to attract jealousy and hate from all sides.
No.3223
>>3220>which makes me think it’s a TwitterfagYeah I haven't been on the site for about a year but there's been a couple of years where I was an active kiwifarms user and I've gotten the impression that the userbase is diverse but also very insular in places. In the tranny sideshows thread you'd have radfems and incels sharing the same space which could lead to infighting when one of the incels would inevitably blame troonism on feminists again but it also seems like individual cows have their own communities that would never interact with other threads like how Glitched puppet's thread seemed to contain a specific group of tumblr transplants. Based on that I wouldn't be surprised if Vivzie's thread would have its own transplant community.
No.3224
>>3223Same, I only visit the KF occasionally but I can tell the Twitterfags have invaded. Like the LC user base, KF has always had a diverse selection of users but Twitterfags stand out like a sore thumb. The pro/anti thread on KF is another example of a thread where Twitter transplants hang out. The fucking irony of defending the sanctity of fictional characters on the mean twansphobic site.
No.3225
>>3224I noticed more and more moralfags on image boards lately. Just the other day, on another image boards someone asked my why the stuff I liked 'perpertuated the patriarchy on steroids' or something close to that. Like, I respect feminist issues a lot but I just can't take someone bringing up the patriarchy about my fantasy setting. It's fiction. It's supposed to be interesting, even if it's 'toxic'.
No.3229
>>3225It’s so obvious when you spot a newfag. You can tell they didn’t grow up with chan culture since they never bothered to lurk and integrate.
>perpertuated the patriarchy on steroidsLOL is this specifically referring to omegaverse? On imageboards I noticed the people who say this are usually 1) transplants from Twitter who never learned to integrate or 2) yumejos who think they’re superior to fujos
No.3230
>>3229>LOL is this specifically referring to omegaverse?Kek, you caught me. This is what it was about. Still, I've heard people say this shit about something as mundane as "age gap" ships where the age gap is like a five year difference.
No.3269
>Be me
>Be in a game fandom with lots of m/m and f/f ships
>The m/f ships are all crack ships because the game leans way more towards m/m and f/f relationships
>New characters get released, there's actually a male character who is involved (not romantically) with another female character
>The teenage female character is portrayed as being boisterous to hide her insecurities, literally every BPD-chan latches onto her, strips her of all her nuance and flanderizes her into one "failure girlloser with no agency" stereotype and they headcanon the handsome adult male character as her wrangler daddy saving and protecting her
>There's also a popular m/m ship featuring said male character that has a very active fandom drawing ship art all the time
>As usual the m/f shippers are homophobic and possessive to the core, they hate the m/m ship so much they constantly send hate towards people shipping them and brag about how their ship is "practically confirmed canon" (it most definitely isn't)
>Now they're straight out admitting they don't even like the male character in the m/f ship but they just want a good looking caretaker for their self insert and that they're "sick of m/m shippers thinking they're better for liking both characters" and that you're a misogynist for it
>My brain breaks trying to comprehend this
People who know which characters I'm talking about will recognize them from the description immediately I presume. But god damn, M/F shippers literally can not tolerate ships in which a.) they can't self insert and b.) both characters are equally responsible for the relationship and isn't just based on some parasitic dynamic of only one doing the heavy lifting. The "you think you're better for actually liking both characters huh" gotcha is so fucking obnoxious, like yeah, I absolutely do think so.
No.3270
>>3269Just hit em with the old Yes Chad.
No.3271
>>3269your talking about neuvifuri and wriolette right? the neuvifuri shippers are straight up insane, thank god hoyo seems to hate them too. ever since they joined the fandom I've been noticing the homophobes have gotten a lot more bold.
No.3272
>>3269I am trying to avoid any genshin fanart out of fear to see furina’s fan delulu portrayal and any kind of relationship, I fucking hate neuvillette with her, or with Scaramouche, get off my poor girl, I cherish her in game screenshots and few artists I trust.
Neuvillette x Prison Duke of North is boring, too safe, and I never have any queerbaitng vibe like with Childe x Zhongli and Kaveitham, Prison Duke had more chemistry with Lyney, I am fine with mutual respect. I am bitter at both Neuvillette and Wriothesley for playing with Furina’s and Lyney’s feelings don’t care justified or not. Fontaine story drained me.
No.3273
>>3271Yep, you got that right. Neuvifuris are genuinely the most unhinged shippers I've seen in a while, like Klance level delusional and aggressive but also openly homophobic. It's honestly baffling how much they actually hate Neuvillette despite shipping him with Furina, one was going on a long tangent about how "misogynistic" Neuvillette is because he had his sovereign powers returned to him by Focalors yet they STILL shipped him with Furina and send hate to Wriolette shippers. I should've collected screenshots over the past few months to post when people are acting as if fujos are the only ones getting unhealthy levels obsessive over a character, in this case Furina. And worse yet, it's not comparable to the Furina that actually exists in the canon story but some butchered interpretation based on projection.
No.3299
>>3269Nonna, just say genshin, you're among friends here. been in the fandom for years and I've seen fair number of silly characters, especially the hetshippers. I don't even mind het shit. I'd be a liar if didn't find some good in the dredge. Yumes on the side of weeb will grandstand their love of straight shit like the second coming of christ despite half of their ships either being mid or a literal stretch. Some work, but the vast majority are really just there air out a yume's unresolved daddy issues and it shows.
No.3300
>>3299>their ships either being mid or a literal stretchThis is honestly how I feel about most Genshin yaoi as well, even the m/m ship that kicked off this discussion. I like Wrio but there is no ship for him that activates my almonds, so he just gets to sit on the shelf, woefully unblemished.
No.3301
>>3269This is strange to say for me because I'm deranged unhingedly fujo but I actually liked neuvifuri far more than I expected to and really don't like neuvwrio wrioneuv w/e because I genuinely didn't see anything in there and it was the most blatant shoddy attempt at fujopandering ever (onoD and kamiyan isn't enough) but I never really knew if there were actual wars between those ships.
I mostly saw people hate neuvfuri because "they're father-daughter" coded or whatever or "minor coded" typical stuff.
I know genshin yumes can be utterly insane so I believe you.
I like genshin but even as a fujo it's stupidly hard to care about any ship. Closest I like is dottoscara but there's no love in there, it's pure torture and whump and manipulation (but that's exactly why I love it tho), everything else just feels bleak.
Ayathoma? Eh… Ayato I tried so damn hard to like, I even have him but I don't know what to even like beyond his voice.
Kaeluc is nice, although a bit stagnant as of now and I don't like the kinda sorta weird pseudo ayydens self inserting as diluc.
Liking genshin just by myself feels good but also it's like everyone knows some deep fandom secret that it never ends
No.3302
>>3300Same, all genshin ships are boring bl or otherwise because the characters have a max of 2 personality traits each, a cluttered design, and live in a lame world with super lame lore. That combined with a self insert protagonist and other generic quirky gorls that can easily be projected onto like furina is like catnip for yumes. You can't expect much from the fandom of a game like that.
No.3303
>>3300None of them land the mark besides Kavetham. Even with that ship, Mihoyo really REALLY wants us to ship them, like they're literally roommates; why aren't they fucking yet kind of ship? feels a tad forced, so I don't blame Nonnas for dropping the game. Genshin is in love with retardation, and it works. Not a single Genshin fan I knew read past the character blurb and maybe some of my lines. A good few don't even own the character, so they know them less just by virtue of fomo. I have seen so many pictures of Neuvi as a bottom it kills me.
>>3302This game hates players knowing things and would rather lock crucial lore details behind literal bullshit. The story does little to fill us in, and when it does, it's the most surface-level in the dark—nothing short of an arthouse flim. Even an arthouse flim knows when to convey a story because, jfc, I'm tired of that floating marshmallow regurgitating what's already been said. I'm a avid worldbuilder, and I'll die over elemental magic systems, but I can acknowledge the basicness of it all. You got the usual hodgepodge, and that's it. Only cool parts are maybe the reaction system, but some of it retreads the usual, like fire turning water to vapor.
No.3306
>>3301I’m a big fan of dottoscara too, for the same reasons. The only thing I hate is how much it attracts the Ayden crowd. Recs for non-troon, non-vagina’d Scara welcome
No.3311
>>3301>Ayathoma? Eh… Ayato I tried so damn hard to like, I even have him but I don't know what to even like beyond his voice.That's because you need to ship Ayato with Itto. Thoma is boring, while Itto brings the naive retard to Ayato's fake goodboy-actually-manipulator persona
No.3318
>>3315>>3317These people haven't… consummed any yaoi??? like all their takes just sound like something you'd get from a quick glance at what yaoi is and not actually look into the genre. Do they not realise that the genre is much more diverse than they think? Like genuinely. It's like they cherry pick an instance that could be read as "reproducing patriarchal dominance" and generalizing with their tunnel vision to the whole genre itself. Majority of yaoi isn't even the problematic kind anymore (and I say this as an /ex/addicted fujo). The scene has changed over the past few years and has become more sanitized. Most fujos nowadays aren't "rotten women" like you'd think back in the early to late 2000's (including early 2010's too). For better or worse. The scene has just become more mainstream.
And let's assume by their logic that fujos are these completely bad people that dare fetishize gay men (or trannies ew) and cause them pain or something, perpetuating sociological issues. Guess what? Men are still the ones in control and the opressing class. A few fujos making some dudes uncomfortable isn't gonna stain them with trauma for life. Fujos are practically harmless as a class of people. The worst fujos I've met were mainly just unhealthy for themselves. The way fujos make dudes uncomfortable for a some seconds will never compare to the way men constantly make women uncomfortable with their bullshit. Most moids literally grow old without even meeting a fujo or interacting with them (and that includes chronically online one) so I'm pretty sure they're pretty safe. Fuck even gay/bi men don't interact with us and not care about us. Like why would they? The fujo space is its own ecosystem completely separate from them, the few fudans that join in stay in their lane because they're not actually interested in interacting with fujos (they usually tend to prefer consumming the material by themselves).
The big bad fujo is harmless and they're quite literally just angry that women dare indulge themselves in their sexuality and fantasies. Something men never get shitted on for. I hate them deeply.
I'm obviously not even gonna touch up on the "transmysogyny" bullshit they're trying to cook up here cuz it reeks of mental gymnastics and ignorance of the fujo scene.
No.3320
>>3317I barfed
>>3315trannies are so unbelievably narcissistic. it never fails to surprise me
>>3312me, unironically. also lolol at the fact this phone doodle is watermarked
No.3322
>>3315>>3317the fuck did I just read?
No.3323
>>3315>>3317If one of their fellow trannies admits how futa and sissy porn made him realize he’s trans they will defend him and call you transmisogynistic for implying transwomen are sexual deviants. They always need to be the victim. TIMs love futa and femboys, the only reason why some hate sissies is because it reminds them of the truth. They wish so badly to be just like Bridget and Astolfo yet deep down they know they will never look like a futa or trap or uke. They will always look like a hideous man in a dress with a sissy fetish. That’s why they’re seething about BL. No woman wants to see sexual violence against trannies. No woman wants to see trannies. That’s why they need to pretend that there are secretly thousands of women lusting after them. They need to make everything about themselves and take the term misogyny and twist it into their own delusional definition to cope with the fact that they will never be an underage anime character.
No.3324
>>3318i need to know the name of that cutie
No.3326
>>3315you could only have this take after consuming solely the worst, most schlocky yaoi and omegaverse and deciding that constitutes the entire genre.
>edelgard and f!byleth iconpredictable. i like the pairing but it's a fucking troon magnet
>>3316OT but shinji not realizing he magically grew a pussy under his dick until he tried to jerk off will always crack me up. too bad plico had to share this doujin with that other, much shittier artist
No.3327
>>3324not BL but it's just Rinnosuke from genso wanderer
No.3328
>>3315I think the most annoying part about all these hot BL takes is that if they are looking through the lens of fandom they don't understand that so much of it is just "I like this ship" rather than it specifically being about two dudes. Even if I don't like a ship that is popular I can see and understand the factors that make it so (like yuricucks and F!Byleth/Edelgard and their comical denial of it being 1:1 with M!Byleth).
>>3324Rinnosuke Morichika. His fumo is up for preorder on amiami if you are interested in a meme doll of The Only (Living) Dude In Touhou.
No.3329
>>3315We need to lock up all the Edeltard and Fem!Byleth shippers to study their brains because I swear to god they all have a mental disorder that makes them more retarded than the average population.
No.3330
>>3329My pet theory: because F!Byleth/Edelgard was (possible to make) canon as well as having a lot of fanfics featuring them as the main pairing, yurifriends who previously only read GL or looked at R34/doujins got what was probably their first taste of what it was like to have hours and hours of good eatin' on Ao3, realized fujos run that joint, then started hand-wringing about how it's problematic to like yaoi because you rotten women could be celebrating womanhood by writing yuri for them instead. They never punch up at het pairings (the only hetshit I EVER see catch this kind of heat is Reylo) or try to make their own content, it is always trying to twist a fujo's arm into creating something they want to consume.
I have some empathy here. Fanfiction is hard to commission–not only because it's "illegal", but also because, even if the writer is competent, they may be unable to capture the magic of the ship in their prose if they don't ship it themselves or are just unfamiliar with the source material. Great fanfiction comes from an affectionate place and requires knowledge of the source material to be woven into the prose, or else you are just left with Ctrl+F and replace AU kinda shit (and who the fuck would pay for that?). Great fanart commissions do not have to clear this bar. You want to see em fuckin' like it's canon? ~$60 and some character refs. You want to READ about em fuckin' like it's canon? Uh… Better hope somebody already wrote it…
F!Byleth/Edelgard shippers had their first bump of fanfic cocaine and now they are forever chasing that dragon. The sequel to this is Suletta/Miorine. I feel like that Venn diagram is a circle.
No.3331
>>3315>>3317This is the weirdest most egomaniacal thing ive read in a long time. I wonder where the line between feminine men and transwimmin is for this guy if he refuses the face value designation that both characters are guys. like I don't understand what makes him think this is more about him than not if one is meant to believe there is a distinction between those two demographics. is it because the stereotypical uke has a more feminine body? very transphobic to our 6'5 sisters.
No.3332
>>3315Joke’s on them, I want to see buff men getting violated
Also absolute fucking kek at trannies trying to moralfag about futa, traps, sissies, etc. Do they not want to admit that 99% of their own kin would not exist if not for trap porn?
No.3333
>>3330This makes sense, I can see it happening for these reasons. Especially because I keep seeing trannies and some tourist women who started watching anime and playing vidya during the pandemic saying "why would you like yaoi when there's yuri? yuri is better!" all the time.
Not related to that pairing but still related to this twitter thread: I wish I took a screenshot but I legit saw a quote saying something like, without a ounce of sarcasm
>fujos say they like yaoi because they think female characters are badly written, which is wrong! Precure has plenty of cool female characters, watch Precure! yaoi is not feminist!Like why are people comparing genres or series that have nothing in common at all? Why are you telling women who read usually short manga or books about hot men being in romantic and/or sexual relationships with adult themes like idk the main guys worrying about their carreers or love life or the yakuza or PTSD or whatever to a very long TV shows for 6 years old girls about fighting bad guys with the power of (female) friendship? Is it crack? Or meth? If I find the tweet again I'll post it here.
No.3334
>>3330NTA but this sounds about accurate. I know people are sick of hearing about Genshin Impact but it's unique in the way that it has a sizable audience for all kinds of ships be it m/m, f/f and m/f due to the sheer volume of the fandom and the amount of characters in the game, so it truly acts as its own little societal experiment to see what happens when these people are put in the same space. There's a constant test of strength about who's "winning", and the GL shippers are out for blood. When a new male character gets released, you see replies under the post from people screeching about how the game hates "sapphics" and women for catering to fujos despite many f/f ships being implied for fanservice. Sometimes their spergery bounces off to hetshippers and even for a good cause (like hetshippers being openly homophobic) but most of the time they sink their claws into fujos and take out their frustration at them. You're women, how dare you spend your creative power on these fictional men?!?!? Why must all female spaces revolve around male characters!!! Drop this at once and write me some yuri fanfics, stat!!
Coincidentally, a lot of them tend to be MTFs. So add the male narcissism and entitlement for female attention and wouldn't you know it, you end up with what we're currently witnessing. They're not attacking male coom creators for drawing degeneracy way more offensive than any fujo could cough up because only fujos are threats to them - fujos are the only ones creating content they find offensive i.e. no female characters to project into or fetishize. Only male characters being put into vulnerable situations and in their eyes "degraded" by being portrayed as gay, and because it's a club exclusive to women that they can't enter without gritted teeth they need to take it down, something like that simply can not be allowed to exist. Men have never had to learn to tolerate or make compromises and being so privileged leveling the playing field feels like oppression to them. The female yuri fans who hate fujos for either NLOG reasons or simply out of a misunderstanding what BL is as a genre (a more common reason in my experience) are their own discussion, but mentally ill, autistic, yuri-addicted male trannies doing everything at their power to threaten women in fandom spaces is like a regular Tuesday these days.
No.3336
>>3334>You're women, how dare you spend your creative power on these fictional men?!?!? Why must all female spaces revolve around male characters!!! Drop this at once and write me some yuri fanfics, stat!! I know, right? This happens like clockwork every single year when AO3 releases statistics about the most popular ships on the platform. Literally saw people on twitter claim that it's because of "Internalized misogyny."
No.3343
>>3334Project Sekai is like that too but on a smaller scale because it's not as popular, but you see constant fighting because there's more m/m than yuri fics on ao3. Fire Emblem did that too. Whenever anything popular has both BL and GL shippers in the same space, the yuri shippers always freak out about the yaoi. But much of this predates Genshin Impact. A lot of people wrote fandom "meta" going back to 2009 about how writing yaoi was a sign of misogyny.
No.3348
Look at /u/ and all they do is sperg out about how ships need to be canon, they won't watch something if there's no canon yuri, even if the cast is full of girls. Fujos ignore canon love interests, canon hetero marriages and don't care if a ship is canon. Yurifags only want canon and this is why nobody wants to write fanfic for them. They even sperg in there about how you can only ship one girl with her only ship partner, when several ships existing in a fanbase makes it thrive, and competition gets people to create more content. They don't want content, they only want one ship that has no conflict at all, being canon, they want the opposite of what makes a fanfic community thrive. And then they blame fujos for not writing fics for them instead of their insane standards.
No.3352
>>3301>>3302It's hard for me to care about most Genshin ships at all because of how the story is. There's so many characters but everyone is so generically nice it's boring and hard to care about anyone because you know that at the end of the day, there will be no conflict and everyone gets along. Which is boring for a game with such a big cast, with different regions and different factions and communities within that region. But no one has any beef? No one even disagrees with each other? Even Scaramouche had to be retconned so he could just hang out with the rest of the cast without any issues. It's as if the game can't have any conflict between playables at all, much less one where both characters can both have valid points and you can see their points of view. I don't really feel much for Haikaveh despite the hype, even their "conflict" is bland and flavorless.
It's not even that I'm a big villain fan or that I want an edgefest. One of my favorite fandoms was Haikyuu. I like fluff, which is why Genshin's ships feel exra bland. It's a shame to me because I like the gameplay, I like that it doesn't solely pander only to yumes, but the way the story can't go into anything deep despite it setting up conflicts is why it's harder to care.
>like furina is like catnip for yumesFurina is the biggest letdown because everyone was hoping for an antagonistic archon and they did more whump. No character is ever at fault, it's just about how they suffer and deserve hugs. Which is why we go back to the lack of conflicts, people were hating on Navia for just being slighty rude to Furina, because Furina suffered and therefore everyone should apologize. These are the type of people the devs are working with. They have to please all fans, because people need to only roll these characters but main them in explorations. And people can't see characters having a disagreement without hating on the other one and demanding they apologize, so that's why most conflicts are relegated to npcs. Honkai Star Rail's characters don't have this issue. It's Furina and Scaramouche who attracted the worst self-insert projection from fans, but that's due to how heavy the game is on telling you how much they suffered and how nothing is their fault. The exact recipe to give you an obnoxious fanbase.
No.3353
>>3352>Honkai Star Rail's characters don't have this issue.And now Mihoyo is under fire from the CN community because Sparkle was being a bitch to Aventurine and paraded around as Robin at an inappropriate time (worded to avoid spoilers). Chinese players hate characters that are mean and the current CCP censorship laws also prohibit "idolizing morally questionable behavior" so Mihoyo can't push their luck too far.
I agree that Genshin has the issue of the characters being too nice at times but I still like them a lot since their conflict often comes from their internal struggle with their ideals and how they see the world instead of interpersonal relationships, that's an interesting angle to take. Not to derail the thread but my issue with Star Rail characters is that while I like them being a bit edgier and meaner I'm having trouble getting to know them better specifically because they don't really interact with the main character who we use as the avatar to experience the world. Half of Luofu's characters felt like NPCs to me while in Liyue I actually got to hang around with and practically make friends with them.
No.3356
>>3353Westerners also don't like her because she was racist and they're saying the company is condoning her behavior so moralfags just seem to be the loudest babies when it comes to media.
But I don't think a conflict needs to just be a character being a jerk. I also don't like jerkass characters, mainly because they can get annoying too. The problem with Genshin is you see no real struggle, you know everyone just overcomes their issues so fast because most of the game is festival events, and that's boring. But I don't care about just seeing characters to be friends with, and I don't think the solution is characters just being mean. But show characters actually being affected by shit. Not everyone gets along and people can just not get along without needing to be literal villains, and that's the reason why I don't care about Genshin characters. When you know everyone is going to be nice, it makes it hard to care about their worldview because every single character has to get along. It's boring when they can't even have basic conflicts, which makes it harder for me to give a shit about the ships and I don't get what people see in them.
No.3357
>>3356>>3353>I'm having trouble getting to know them better specifically because they don't really interact with the main character who we use as the avatar to experience the worldAnd this is why I don't care about Genshin and people who need characters to interact specifically with the bland avatar because the characters having conflict and personality without needing to kiss the player's ass is why I like them more. Genshin you already know everyone has to like the mc, and the avatarfagging self insert insanity is worse because of it.
No.3358
>>3356It's a difference in mindset I guess because I don't consider it a problem personally but I understand what you mean. For a ship like Alhaitham x Kaveh (which is the only Genshin ship I'm actually invested in for the record) the amount of subtext they're written with is fascinating because you keep finding more and more about their relationship through tidbits in item descriptions and in-game message boards and so forth, but also because Kaveh was one of the only characters who was actually affected by what happened to him, like his compulsive need to help people at the cost of his own wellbeing is due to his father dying young and his mother being traumatized by his death and practically abandoning him to get re-married and start a new life without him. Alhaitham on the other hand lost both of his parents but always had his grandmother to take care of him so he hates seeing Kaveh sacrifice his own chance at a stable life for others because he feels Kaveh deserves to be happy himself which is the root of their conflict in personalities - Alhaitham is a stern rationalist while Kaveh is a romanticist.
It's a shame a lot of Kaveh's internal conflict was contained to an event story from last spring (though his hangout quest did sideline it) so that people who missed it will never be able to see it, a continuous, huge narrative problem with Genshin is that they keep most of the character development in event-exclusive stories that people end up rushing through just to net the prizes instead of actually processing what's being told to them. Star Rail fixed this by making events accessible retrospectively but they have the opposite problem of the Honkai-esque writing of using characters just as talking exposure heads and plot devices, the only character-specific interaction we really get between them is yuripandering bronseele because Bronya is the writer's pet girl. Even the voice lines are just exposition dumping instead of really introducing the characters which is fine for a plot-heavy RPG but for gacha games I really want to be invested in the characters that I'm paying for.
No.3359
>>3358That's why I just don't care about Genshin yaoi. None of the ships are big "lore" ships, that seems relegated to yuri and het. A lot of the shipping involves crumbs or getting tidbits, but for me I don't care really for being told to ship something, or that this character is in this pair and you can see because they have a matching item. The ship sounds fine in theory but in the game there's nothing where I can understand the obsession because everyone is too bland. I see your problem with Star Rail, but for me the characters having personality outside of "nice and gets along" and the story not only being festivals make them more fun to ship. I just don't care about Genshin character development the more everyone says how deep they are, because it's the same formula of "sob story, but easily resolved" and then the fans are annoying because the sob stories are not subtle in trying to get you to see the character as the biggest woobie so you can pull for them. It gets old when every single person is like that and you know everything is easily resolved because most of the game is just festivals. There's no interesting character foils or parallel character journeys you can see for yourself and then ship, it's just boring stuff like that.
No.3360
>>3348>Look at /u/ and all they do is sperg out about how ships need to be canon, they won't watch something if there's no canon yuri, even if the cast is full of girls. Fujos ignore canon love interests, canon hetero marriages and don't care if a ship is canon.I'm not sure this should be praised, that's mostly the reason nowadays there are jack shit fujoanime
No.3361
>>3360IDK if it's years of copium poisoning typing this right now, but to me canon relationships in the kind of media that gives me brainrot, no matter the configuration, are almost always, like… Underwhelming? Mid? Not worth the investment? Knowing how good fanon can be has warped me in a way that makes me demand less of canon, I guess. I don't even eat here, but an easy example is Netflix Voltron: so what if Shiro is canon homo married to some rando by the end? "Rep" does not matter to me if the canon ship sucks ass!!! I think this is why my ideal ending for every series I get into is "everybody I care about is unpaired", lol.
That being said it's sad that girls aren't good at turning their sperging into a loaded gun pointed at studio/dev heads like dudes are. How come we get brushed off as silly shippers and they get to enjoy the fruits of fear as a potential domestic terrorist? Unfair! I admire Chinese yumes for at least getting their foot in that door.
No.3362
>>3360Eh, I find how some yurifags don't care about a story other than for the yuri and will just jerk off over the cute girls uwu, immediately dropping something and throwing a bitch fit if a man shows up to be pretty annoying.
The actual story and characters comes first, then the fujobait for me. It doesn't matter if things are canon or not as long as I'm being entertained.
No.3363
>>3361Fanon ships can be more fun and I miss when people also enjoyed the fan community instead of begging for scraps from companies. Even canon BL can't always maintain a fandom, the story already satisfied people. Look at the most iconic, nostalgic yaoi ships like L/Light, or Drarry or Shizaya. None of these were meant to be canon by the creators, and like them or hate them, the fan experience is par of what gives the nostalgia. The fujo ability to have fun and ignore the hetero shit is a skill, something we shouldn't lose because, a lot of corporate yaoi can be boring. Most good BL doesn't get an anime. You'll never get a canon pairing from a shounen, or a gacha game that also has to please the yumes, so learning how to be happy without canon lets you enjoy more.
No.3364
>>3363Yeah honestly don't understand wanting terrible Hollywood romance from your series. If it's original BL then its fine, but in my general cartoon or anime I don't want them dealing with romance or will-they-won't-they drama.
Fans are allowed way more creativity and risks than a main-stream series will ever have. I'd rather read fandom romance over official romance any day!
No.3373
>>3361>That being said it's sad that girls aren't good at turning their sperging into a loaded gun pointed at studio/dev heads like dudes are.I wish fujos could be more toxic. This is why Persona 5 was so close to having peak yaoi with Shuake, but they keep Akechi in this stupid limbo because the fanboys hate him. The fujos just accept Atlus stringing them along with this character for Persona 5's entire lifespan. I remember fujos saying in the early days to buy Akechi merch to signal to Atlus that people wanted more of him, and then they brought him back in Royal but still left his status vague as fuck. I used to like that ship but the entire way Atlus handled them left me very cynical.
No.3374
>>3373P5 not having a BL option is crazy to me because P4 (which is almost 16 years old) got so close with Yosuke there were ENGLISH voice lines.
https://tcrf.net/Persona_4/Unused_Voice_Clips/Social_Links#Yosuke_HanamuraMakes me wish fujos could unionize. "No BL no buy!" (￣︿￣)
No.3375
I can understand both sides of this argument. As long as the guys are close and the fandom produces good food I can deal with noncanon stuff just fine. That being said I did feel giddy when Dragon quest 11 S for example actually gave me optional shipping fanservice of MC with a guy in the party I ship him with.
No.3376
>>3375>I can understand both sides of this argument. As long as the guys are close and the fandom produces good food I can deal with noncanon stuff just fine.Yeah same. If anything, I think not being tied down to canon is a strenght because it allows the fandom to have more creativity.
No.3377
>>3373>>3374Maybe Atlus is counting on Persona to bring as much money as possible so they'd rather not take too many risks and add gay options in other series. Like how Catherine Fullbody made Vincent bisexual and now he can marry a crossedressing cutesy uke in one of thz new endings, or SMT5 having the main character, a bishonen, and Aogami referencing the story of Susanoo (Aogami in that case) saving princess Kushinada (the MC in that case) from Orochi (the first boss fight against Hydra, another reptile with several heads) and marrying her (Aogami and the MC fusing to gain more power.
As for Akechi I think his fate is ambiguous mostly because Atlus wants to shit out as many P5 spinoffs as possible without contradicting what's going on in the main game, so they don't want to explicitely kill him off. That's why we have shit like PQ happening in another dimension, because the P3 MC dies no matter what so the devs and writers can reuse him without finding weird justifications.
No.3380
>>3332Watch out, nona, someone might take a marker to your buff men and circle their titties squished against the wall and call them "proto-women". Genuine argument I've seen from guys a few years back, they've changed recently to "women can only like muscles if the face is feminine and pretty but superior gay men want ugly faces". The "man breasts are always rock hard, these are girl breasts" argument is great because they're begging to be sent gay porn.
>>3333Even better: a number of fujos and a fudan I know watch Precure already. People watch and enjoy a range of media and damn, lesbian fujos enjoy magical girls sometimes. Whoddathunkit.
>>3336And then you look at the biggest climbers in the ship stats and they're from series where the male couple are surrounded by female secondary characters, who in some cases get far more scenes and interactions because it's a "separation makes the heart grow fonder" plot.
It really is like that other nona says, people who sound like they've never been into a thing and only have a surface level understanding from the outside.
>>3348I hate to be that guy (girl?), but /a/ has had plenty of phases of fujos whining and demanding canon pairs only. It's a constant not-like-other-girls pissing contest to say "this show is shit because it's not gay, so you can't like it", and it drives me mad because you can barely tell them apart from the shitposters. Like you say, I don't give a shit about marriages and love interests or whatever, I'm in my own delooloo lala land making the boys pine for each other. Yet for the last five years there's been tons of attempts to rank shows against each other based on whether they were "canon" or not. It's rampant enough that dedicated trolls now plague discussions with "is this real gay", "fujosis you said it would be gay", and "this isn't as gay as x".
>>3361I wasn't there and never touched it, but wasn't threatening the creators and causing a riot part of the problem with Voltron? They compromised the writing to lean into what people were yelling.
No.3381
>I hate to be that guy (girl?), but /a/ has had plenty of phases of fujos whining and demanding canon pairs only. It's a constant not-like-other-girls pissing contest to say "this show is shit because it's not gay, so you can't like it", and it drives me mad because you can barely tell them apart from the shitposters. Like you say, I don't give a shit about marriages and love interests or whatever, I'm in my own delooloo lala land making the boys pine for each other. Yet for the last five years there's been tons of attempts to rank shows against each other based on whether they were "canon" or not. It's rampant enough that dedicated trolls now plague discussions with "is this real gay", "fujosis you said it would be gay", and "this isn't as gay as x".
Nothing wrong with this,this isn't the 99, fujos have proven to have money and staying power,it's natural to want to be pandered and not treated like second class citizens that should always expect less. If anything I find your attitude much worse from my poc be sure it acts like people who enjoy BL and Male ships should always expect lesssl, but Yuri fags, lesbians and het shippers can be openly pandered
No.3382
>>3377>Maybe Atlus is counting on Persona to bring as much money as possible so they'd rather not take too many risks and add gay options in other series. There is nothing risky about it kek, BG3 has all the men wanting to fuck you and it sold millions, FE is more popular than ever. The people who write and direct persona are just homophobic old pricks.
No.3383
>>3382The comparisons aren't very good. JRPGs aren't treated and marketed like AAA Western RPGs, if Persona 6 lets you commit bestiality for a comedic scene game journalists wouldn't treat it the way they did with BG3. As for Fire Emblem it 's been gay as hell for a long time and gets censored all the time as well. Either that or the gay stuff gets downplayed by the localizers for reasons I don't even want to know because given what they do I'd say they somehow manage to be the most obnoxious SJWs and the most bigoted localizers I've seen at the same time. I said this about Atlus because of how they nearly went bankrupt and got bought by Sega a few years ago so they shat out a lot of P4 spinoffs and adaptations back then.
No.3384
>>3383> if Persona 6 lets you commit bestiality for a comedic scene game journalists wouldn't treat it the way they did with BG3. Persona 3 lets you fuck a 10 years old boy. You can have lesbian sex with Aigis and Elizabeth. You can literally go for old women in P5 as a 17 years old boy.
There is really no excuse, no one would give a shit if there was an optional gay s.link, it's just persona devs being persona devs and fujo being content with setting for less so they keep sucking them off.
>As for Fire Emblem it 's been gay as hell for a long time and gets censored all the time as well. FE didn't let you marry or date male characters until Conquest, then 3h expanded it and finally the latest FE where even major male characters are date-able. No one gives a shit and Fire Emblem is bigger than ever with the gacha making millions. People complained with Awakening not allowing gay shit and once they allowed it nothing changed and the games still popular.
Everything before that was subtext or one not gay characters that were mostly jokes, which is on par with Persona really.
No.3386
>>3381>there's nothing wrong with treating other fujoshi like shit and ruining fujo spaces because I want non-fujos in Japan who don't speak English to take me seriouslyThink about that for a second. Really think about what it achieves.
It is natural to want to not be treated like second class citizens.In terms of things that make a difference, I imagine you are already purchasing merch and tankobon of the series you think deserve support. The non monetary support you can give is important too, but it shouldn't involve trolling fans of series you don't like day in-day out and trying to shut down their conversations. I don't know how much clearer I can be, but THAT behavior has nothing to do with "putting it to the man" or changing how production committees handle BL content. Preventing western discussion of fujobait shows and being a total dickbag does not stop the Japanese market from continuing as it is. It only affects the happiness of fellow fujoshi as though you have a vendetta against them, and it helps fuel the antifujo brigade with ways to chase us out and silence us.
No.3388
>>3333>Precure has plenty of cool female characters, watch Precure! yaoi is not feminist!Someone saying that adult women should watch a show for five year old Japanese girls instead of reading a genre actually made for adults is hilarious.
I don't even know why they're claiming it's 'feminist' it's just a show to sell toys.
I'm really hoping you find it again.
No.3389
>>3363>so learning how to be happy without canon lets you enjoy more.That's fair, but I feel like you could also just play/watch stuff with BL in it.
For me it's way more annoying when someone denies obvious BL that's there in canon.
No.3390
>>3384Atlus making the teacher a dating option in P5 but chickening out with Akechi was the biggest slice of bullshit pie I've ever been fed. Imagine living in a world where consensual dating with a person your age but of the same sex is being seen as more degenerate than making your older teacher dress up in a maid costume and serve you at your call. I'm still seething about it 7 years later.
However I do disagree about nobody giving a shit about a gay social link because I know dudebros who play Persona for the waifus would scream and yell about it endlessly, but so what? It doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. Let them cry. Fujos are the ones who will pay for the game AND all the subsequent merch PLUS create an endless trove of fanfic, fanart and doujinshi to generate free promotion for it. What do waifufag moids do? Play the game and forget about it. Fujos should really ask for more because every company is after fujobucks yet dangles the gay just far enough for people who aren't into it to claim fujos are delusional coomers. After over 10 years of fujoism I really want more canonized characters instead of just a wink and a nudge.
No.3391
>>3333>fujos say they like yaoi because they think female characters are badly written, which is wrong! Precure has plenty of cool female characters, watch Precure! yaoi is not feminist!KEK this reminds me of the time fujos were complaining about the lack of well-written, gender-nonconforming female characters in adult media when someone started recommending Digimon of all things and got genuinely, unhingedly mad at people telling her they don't have an interest in a show quite literally made for children. People will scrape for the bottom of the barrel and throw whatever to the wall just to disprove fujos' legitimate points about how female characters are written and how little female viewers are being catered to. Yeah why are you retarded bitches wasting your time reading about adult men getting into adult situations when you could be stanning a tomboy from a kids' cartoon???? Checkmate, fujocoomers!!
No.3392
>>3384The localizers for Fates, 3H and allegedly for Engage (I didn't play it) downplayed a bunch of gay supports though. And this also applies to lesbian pairings. Just on top of my head they changed Zero/male!Kamui's S support to be a copypasted version of the one with female!Kamui to make sure they don't mention being two men in love with each other and removed some gay lines between Zero and other guys, you have shit like Sylvain and Felix's A+ support removing Felix's sincere words about him not wanting Sylvain to die with garbage tsuntsun lines like "ugh you can die next time idgaf I'm not even worried about you" or some shit which was very obvious because they left the Japanese voices in all versions, and iirc they made all the S supports between the (teenage) main character and all the teenage characters platonic so now you have a guy confessing his love to the male MC in Japanese while giving him a ring changed to shit like "we're best friends and I admire you bro!"… while giving him a ring… The worst part is that many fans in the West love the gay romance options so it's not even like it's necessary to remove that kind of stuff for marketing purposes and as you said, the games are selling pretty well ever since IS decided to actually market Awakening properly. It's really strange.
As for Atlus I don't disagree with you but good luck telling Atlus all of this. I'm sure getting in a situation bad enough to be bought by Sega gave them PTSD because now they're shitting out a lot of P5 spinoffs, just like with P4. We'll see how P6 will be, the younger female devs are supposed to work on that one while the staff that worked on P3, 4 and 5 are supposed to work on other projects now, like Metaphor, they're the ones who made Vincent bisexual, and even then I heard that was supposed to be the plan in the og Catherine but the writer felt like the audience wasn't ready yet for this kind of topic or something like that (and I need to find this interview again). This would also explain why Yosuke was this close to being a love interest in P4 to the point where he had voiced lines in English and Japanese. Or maybe the real reason is completely different and we will never know.
No.3393
>>3386>>there's nothing wrong with treating other fujoshi like shit Everyone threats each other like shit on anonymous imageboard. Just look at lolcow or whatever. Even this board constantly flips their shit if you so much stray from the "main" mentality
>and ruining fujo spaces because I want non-fujos in Japan who don't speak English to take me seriouslyThis is purely your invention. People want to be pandered and want works that work with their fantasies in absence of non canon. Nothing wrong with it. You don't see men going "please rec me a good waifu anime I don't care if the girls takes 100 dicks from strangers".
if anything I find your attitude much more "Please like me, I'm not like the other girls (fujos) I don't care bout canon"
No.3394
>>3390>However I do disagree about nobody giving a shit about a gay social link because I know dudebros who play Persona for the waifus would scream and yell about it endlessly, but so what?I mean "No one would give a shit" in the sense they'd still buy the game in the end. Just like they kept buying FE or BG3 or whatever. Also Persona romance is typically less involved than many games and largely just consists in s link rank 6 or 7 having an opt-in/out option.
Tbh persona is why I don't get why some fujos support homophobia or whatever. It's obviously the more gay shit is accepted IRL the more you are likely to get into your videogames anyway.
No.3395
>>3393IMO this board is pretty nice as far as imageboards go. There are some needlessly aggressive posts but they don't dominate.
>>3394>Just like they kept buying FE or BG3 or whatever.I remember a little while back when they released the stats on the BG3 romances and it was 50% Shart followed by the other girls. It was funny being reminded "oh yeah, I guess boys play video games too…" (lesbians alone would not have this number). The male and female fandom experience is so divided that the option for m/m doesn't even make a dent when you combine them!
No.3396
>>3394>Tbh persona is why I don't get why some fujos support homophobia or whatever. It's obviously the more gay shit is accepted IRL the more you are likely to get into your videogames anyway.This is what really bothers me too. Like no matter how you rationalize homophobia for yourself you really have no place in complaining about being treated as the scum of the earth and constantly being put on the lowest rung of the fandom ladder as a fujo if you're openly homophobic, you're a part of the problem making it bad for all of us. Gay shit getting banned for being "degenerate" is why danmei authors get arrested and thrown into jail, not because they particularly have it out for fujos. Like that Love&Deepspace game just banned BL content in INTERNATIONAL spaces meaning you can't draw ship art of the boys in it, sure it's an otome game but come on that's literal homophobia especially because there tends to be overlap between yumes and fujos to some degree.
No.3397
>>3396>Love&Deepspace game just banned BL content in INTERNATIONAL spaces meaning you can't draw ship art of the boys in itLooked into this myself, very funny. It almost reads like somebody wants to Streisand effect themselves some free BL.
No.3398
>>3396>Like that Love&Deepspace game just banned BL content in INTERNATIONAL spacesAnd how are the devs gonna enforce that? Did they talk about it or did they just say "yaoi is forbidden because I say so"
No.3402
>>3399Of course the joseimuke board on /vmg/ thinks this is based, they've always hated fujo content there. You're allowed to like BL only if the game is BL, but if it's a joseimuke that panders to both yumes and fujos, they always bitch about it. This is why I hate yumes and when games pander to both, because the yumes are always like this and they assume everyone wants to self-insert as a woman and be fucked by the husbandos, or else they're a misogynist.
No.3403
>>3377Then they should not Akechi off. There's no reason to except that his haters don't want him to be alive. I'm forever going to be salty that P5 could have had some peak yaoi like Jun and Tatsuya, but they have to chicken out due to pandering to his haters. They're not pandering to both Akechi fans and the haters by leaving him ambiguous, they're only pandering to the haters. This is why the P5 spinoffs feel even more soulless than P4's. P4 had no problem milking Adachi, and they actually let the story move forward. P5 can't do anything but noncanon spinoffs, so as a result, they wind up being mid.
No.3404
>>3402I always wonder if the imageboard yume is its own subtype or the regular flavor yume but with the mask off because they're always irredeemably judgmental, homophobic to a ridiculous degree and so pornsick it's laughable how hypocritical they are for calling fujos coomers and bragging about yumes being "more pure at heart". You maybe see them dropping passive aggressive comments about fujos on social media sometimes but on imageboards it's a full on trashing calling fujos misogynistic pornbrained trannies in the making for daring to make her husbando into a faggot. And if other yumes ask for, for example, otome protagonists that are a bit more neutral than a frilly helpless super feminine princess they get called disgusting misogynistic dykes. Like I really wonder if the yumes that I come across every now and then in the wild are the ones on joseimuke threads having meltdowns at fujos but under the protection of anonymity.
No.3405
>>3393I agree and disagree. I think it's pointless to shit on other fujo in canons that are about baiting different ships and combinations and where nothing is canon. Nobody is canon in Free or Haikyuu or joseimuke games that need to pander to everyone. Some pairs might get more "food" than other pairs, but there's other pairs that also get equal amounts of ship bait or interactions. So in that case, I don't think people should dunk on each other over ships that are more "canon" because nothing is going to be canon.
But when it comes to something like Persona, where the creators dangled a gay option but still won't give any almost two decades later? Where they pussied out with Yosuke, and are pussying out with Akechi, keeping him ambiguous because they don't want to piss off the moids, but they know the fujos will still praise their writing anyway? Yeah, then fujos need to grow some balls and say they won't support their pandering anymore. There's a big difference between shipping in shounen where you know no way in hell is a gay pairing going to be canon, and then making excuses for a company that can't even put a gay option in their game.
No.3406
>>3396That type of homophobia is accepted and common in otome space, which is why I don't fuck with yumes at all. I even wish more games had no self-insert mc, yumes are always there with the popular husbandos and complaining about BL content with them. M/f is always more popular whenever the mc is self-insert, even BG3 and Fire Emblem prove this for the popular men, but yumes just can't handle seeing any m/m content for their husbandos that they start being homophobic, or if they don't want to be called homophobic they'll pretend its about bi people and say it's "biphobic" if you don't ship their husbando with the female character self insert, or that you're a misogynist who hates women. I wish there could be a pure joseimuke game with no self-insert mc, but I know that will never happen because companies want yumebucks too.
No.3408
>>3406>or if they don't want to be called homophobic they'll pretend its about bi people and say it's "biphobic" if you don't ship their husbando with the female character self insertI want to german suplex the person who came up with this retarded loophole and made it widespread. In one of my fandoms a character that was shipped as a self-insert to a popular male character was revealed to be in a pretty heavily implied lesbian relationship and yumes went into damage control accusing anyone of "biphobia" if they were side eyeing them for denying the lesbian revelation.
>I wish there could be a pure joseimuke game with no self-insert mc, but I know that will never happen because companies want yumebucks too.I honestly wish Nu Carnival had better gameplay because it's quite literally the only game doing this at the moment, but I can only hope that companies see the opportunity there.
No.3409
>>3408I wish we could have any BL game that wasn't strictly eroge. There's nothing wrong with porn, but I wish we could get romance or story focused games. Or even just any game where the focus is on story and dudes just have chemistry with each other, but those games just never really get good gameplay or budgets.
No.3410
>>3393Imageboards wouldn't work if you treated people like shit 100% of the time. It's a newfag rhetoric that I absolutely hate to say "oh you should be prepared for imageboards to always be bad and never have any civil conversation". In practice there are tons of neutral and positive exchanges, it's what people enjoy these sites for. Lolcow is a site purposefully made for shitting on people which expanded to other subjects, it's not a fair comparison with other social media.
I think it's obvious now that you don't understand what I'm talking about despite my examples (which you can search desuarchive for). I'm failing to grasp your train of logic either, I think we're arguing different points with premade conclusions. You've constructed an opposition to your stance and aren't reading what's being said. What you end up sounding like to me is that you support people being attacked for enjoying non-BL and that discussion of fujobait shows is not just beneath you but should be eradicated. I don't think that's what you intended, because you don't seem to know the spam I'm talking about and you're staying focused on your wants.
My original point still stands that /u/ are not the only ones who shit themselves about canon vs non-canon, and it's hypocritical to criticize yurifags for something that's been rampant on /a/ for the last few years and plagued a number of fanbases. Homothreads are only good when people aren't constantly policing each other's tastes.
Sorry for always bitching about this topic, nonas. I don't have many places to fujo so yeah I'll be pissed if the places I do have decide it's verboden. There's a number of series I was into that I don't dare name in fujo spaces because it never ends well, and the wider fanbases are full of anti tweens so fuck trying there either.
>>3397>>3398~~brb, making a pininterest account to upload as many gay fanarts possible so it's impossible to remove from google image results~~
>>3400Damn, it's probably a legal requirement to look like they're proactive in censoring homo, but surely they could just separate the communities and their management? Chinese donghua studios had been talking about making and selling BL content to other countries and not selling it at home, and it seemed like their gov was okay with that in the same vein as selling uncensored danmei novels abroad. You'd think for the sake of profit they'd let things slide.
No.3411
>>3409they already made a sfw version o nucani. personally, i think it's boring that way, but if you're talking about games with actual gameplay, i guess it could be nice. eroge in general almost never get good gameplay nor do games targeted towards women, so you can't expect anything like that for bl eroge.
>>3406>M/f is always more popular whenever the mc is self-insertidk about that, it definitely depends on the series
No.3413
>>3411Even if you look at AO3, whenever there's a custom mc, m/f is more popular. M/f is more popular for the popular dudes like the husbandos in BG3 or FE3H, which is why yumes crying about how they're oppressed by fujos and it's misogyny is always stupid. If there's a self-insert mc, you can count on them being there to be annoying to fujos.
No.3414
>>3413i don't play either of those games but i play several otherse with custom mcs and that isn't the case. especially not in the art and discussion parts of the fandom, yumes may spam y/n sewage like no tomorrow in the fanfic department but they don't contribute much of anything else to fandoms besides occasionally bitching about fujos and equally sewagey art that no one interacts with. they can't hold a conversation with eachother let alone normal fans of whatever series their husbando is from or any perceived fujo threat, they're nothing more than the female counterpart of autistic men who make weird deviantart inflation porn of everything.
No.3415
>>3408It's the biphobia criers who are the worst, they know how to use social justice buzzwords to try and shame people into only making content that they want. The yumes who hate BL content or even their pixel husbando potentially being shipped with another man are the ones who wouldn't want the guy to be bi, he needs to be straight. Yet that never comes up in the "biphobia" arguments.
No.3416
>>3406>>3408I never understood how the "but they're bisexual!" excuse stuck or was ever taken seriously. It's literally just hetshipper cope weaponizing Tumblr/SJWspeak. The characters in question have no canon sexuality 99% of the time but I'm supposed to adopt their headcanon for some reason (and it doesn't even change the fact that the ship is het). So retarded.
No.3417
>>3414It's more in certain fandoms, like BG3 Astarion is a popular target, and while all the companions are romanceable by any gender pc, the m/f fics for him dominate and are more popular than m/m. The same thing goes for Dimileth, in fact the lack of m/m supports for the two lords, while Edelgard is a gay option, reflects some homophobia. I believe that m/f is more popular for f!pc and m!npcs in the FFXIV fandom as well.
No.3419
>>3410Nah, the censorship argument doesn't even fly as other CN games don't prohibit fans from making BL fan content. There's no such rule from Hoyoverse for example, and I'm pretty sure they even commissioned some BL fanartists before. It's just otome game fanbases are like this.
No.3420
>>3410>Sorry for always bitching about this topic, nonas. I don't have many places to fujo so yeah I'll be pissed if the places I do have decide it's verboden. There's a number of series I was into that I don't dare name in fujo spaces because it never ends well, and the wider fanbases are full of anti tweens so fuck trying there either.I welcome it. Reading and posting in /ffs/ is cathartic to me. Most of the "BL" I consume is fanfic/doujin because stuff explicitly marketed as BL just isn't that engaging to me (it's not bad, but it doesn't give me fandom rabies, you know?). I like to play/read/watch stuff and then go sniffing for BL in the fandom if it's applicable. It's only somewhat recently with danmei that I've been able to have a satisfying BL experience from the source material (because so far they've all been analogous to reading solid-to-good tier fanfic, lol). It's interesting to read about fujos weighing in on what canon means to them. I'd rather have one of you bite my head off over our differences than anybody else on the internet.
Curious about your series that don't end well in fujo space! I'm trying really hard to think about what they could be but we already have a pretty active thread in /wes/ for my one solid guess ε=ε=ε=ε=┌(;￣▽￣)┘
No.3423
>>3420With danmei I mainly like that it has romance plus plot, which is also why I prefer more fics or doujins because the world is already set up, and the romance is a nice flavor. The current slice of life or office romance BL anime might be cute, but they don't make me want to really seek out fan content.
No.3425
>>3415Absolutely, a lot of the times I've seen biphobia being even cried is in bad faith to shill straight content. Like bitch no, it's not """biphobic""" if I don't support your self insert cucking a character I ship with the same sex.
>>3410It definitely isn't a legal requirement since like others said Hoyoverse never bans any BL content and like a lot of other Chinese games the Love&Deepspace HQ is located in Singapore so technically China's censorship laws don't apply. It's just homophobia and a way to cater to yumes who go into hysterics if they see their imaginary pixel husbando kissing another man. It would be funny if they didn't heavily cater to a fujo audience at first by hiring a bunch of notorious fujobaiters to advertise it.
No.3428
>>3416>I never understood how the "but they're bisexual!"And it's always with guys too, never with yuri ships kek
No.3429
>>3416You see this with Genshin fans saying its biphobic because some character will flirt with the traveler no matter what, but I never count that as bisexuality because the moids and yumes just see as flirting with them, which is the intent. In my opinion it's yumes who should be getting more hate from the SJWs over fujos, its yumes who are the ones who are actually homophobic but they get a free pass from SJWs because everyone else hates fujos more.
No.3431
>>3400What kind of shitgames even are these? I follow more than 1000 fujo artists and I play games but have never heard about this shit. Google makes it look like some gameyfied webtoons or something.
No.3433
>>3431Right? I genuinely have no idea what anyone could get out of this with the shitty 3DPD characters. Also you just know the game is shitty if they have to ask for fanart but then say 'NO BL'
No.3435
>>3402God I hate the joseimuke thread. Fuck those yumes screeching how "fujos are whining over nothing." I'm only in that thread for Nu: Carnival and sexualizing the latest Fox and Whore SSRs.
>bragging about yumes being "more pure at heart".The amount of ToT posters from the yume side is quite telling. But yes, it's the fujos who are the irredeemable degenerates
No.3436
>>3435The joseimuke thread (and blog too) is shit because in retrospect it's such a bad idea, mixing yumes and fujos in an anonymous setting is a recipe for disaster. You never know when the bomb is going to drop and the whole thread just drowns in shit.
To be fair the last bomb was the Nu:Carnival fujos screeching stop liking what I don't like, but I'm going to be delulu and say someone instigated that because it has never happened to that extent and it seemed pretty obvious there was samefagging afoot. No.3439
>>3429>its yumes who are the ones who are actually homophobic but they get a free pass from SJWs because everyone else hates fujos more.For real though. For the past few days since the Love&Deepspace thing went down yumes have been openly dropping homophobic takes that would get an average fujo cancelled in a microsecond yet people barely give a shit because deep down most virtue signaling SJWs bully people who can't fight back and straight gender-conforming women, although victims of misogyny like every woman regardless of presentation or sexuality, are not marginalized. All media is straight, otomeshit is far more common and more socially accepted than fujoshit, gay relationships are still considered scandalous to the point they're banned altogether in China. Them acting like an oppressed minority for fujos being mad at their money being welcomed but them not even being able to draw BL art is ridiculous, nobody was demanding changes to be made to the game at all, they were just drawing goddamn fanart and yumes act like they just got hate crime'd against.
No.3442
To be really fair, it seemed a Wifefag was truly aghast someone didn't care for him I laughed during the entire chimping out though. It reminded me of the purity Snekfag shitting on Olivine for being a slut lol. But in all seriousness, a BL and otome shouldn't be in the same thread just because it's for women. I'd rather have a slow BL thread than have to trudge through the otome slop conversations
Nu Cani needs more characters with body counts!>>3439I will never understand how they interpreted people getting mad at the BL rule as them wanting the developers to change the entire game and add a gay option. Are there retards like TIFs demanding it? Sure, but the truth is that fujos are mad because they're deliberately discouraging BL art in general, not just in a contest setting like Nu:Cani did with non-canon pairings. A company telling fandom what to do on their own time and space is what's the problem
No.3444
>>3442I'm a wifefag and I must admit I found the whole thing stupid from all sides and then the artbook was being held hostage, then I was truly over it kek The snakefag one was funny though, because I found the situation in-game to be funny. Olivine almost lets Yakumo get sacrificed because he's mega horny? Come on, that's hilarious.
>I'd rather have a slow BL thread than have to trudge through the otome slop conversationsAgreed. The problem is that some anons on 4chan are so contrarian for the sake of it that despite being fujos themselves they won't be eager to migrate. I can see the "what's the point of this?" posts.
>not just in a contest setting like Nu:Cani did with non-canon pairings. A company telling fandom what to do on their own time and space is what's the problemYes this is the bigger issue, Nu:Carnival never tried to stop it outside of their one-time fanart event. Some did get upset and drop the game when that happened, there are Taiwanese accounts I follow that continue to play that still appear a little bitter about it and are upset that Noctilucent appears to be going the same route, but they've generally accepted it and just continue to make their fanwork and for the most part no one gives them shit for it. There's an obvious difference in reaction, with LDS the yumes taking this as an opportunity to shit on fujos and be homophobic, and you have to blame the company as well since their actions encouraged it.
No.3446
>>3444>I can see the "what's the point of this?" posts.There were posts like this in the /trash/ fujo thread too and I am convinced they were just bad actors. Fujos are obviously not a hivemind but not wanting to have a place that is just for fujos to talk to other fujos is crazy. My tinfoil hat theory is it's because fujos tend to produce better male art/fic/insights and they don't want to lose their brainrot fertilizer.
No.3447
>>3444>>3446I've seen the claim that "Some of us dabble in both BL and otome so…"
I literally don't care that you're some galaxy brained stacey master race that enjoys both genres. They're two different topics. Just because they have some overlap, doesn't mean they need to be put in the same thread. That's like putting sewing and knitting in the same thread, or putting BJ dolls with regular fashion dolls like Barbie and Monster High.
>because fujos tend to produce better male art/fic/insights and they don't want to lose their brainrot fertilizerAnd they're the ones who get asshurt that there isn't enough M/F fanfic or fanart compared to M/M. When you tell them there's plenty of M/F art, they cry that it's made by coombrained moids. You tell them to make their own and they bitch about that too. Make your own goddamn content if you're that passionate about it. This is how fujos literally saved Gundam while moids didn't.
No.3448
>>3442>But in all seriousness, a BL and otome shouldn't be in the same thread just because it's for women.It really shouldn't, yumes and fujos are like oil and water. There might be some overlap, but in the end how they approach their media of choice is always very different.
>>3447Even the fujos that I know who are into otome media usually create a persona separate from their own self to ship with the boys but true yumes actually ship themselves and themselves only with the guys, it's truly (you) that those PNG boys are talking to in their head whether it's their actual form or in the case of Aidens, their idealized troonified form. They would chimp out at a female rival just the same as the would at a male one yet they accuse fujos of being "misogynist" for "not allowing" them their fantasy as if their fanart and headcanons were literally threatening her totally healthy relationship with an anime man. Fujos might have embarrassing ship wars but those are more akin to fighting over which one allows better story writing rather than seething about being cucked of your imaginary boyfriend.
>Make your own goddamn content if you're that passionate about it.I once saw someone say that "it's not that they want more heterosexual content, they just want less homosexual content" and it stands true.
No.3449
>>3448>I once saw someone say that "it's not that they want more heterosexual content, they just want less homosexual content" and it stands true.lmao what a roundabout way to say "Stop producing what you want, fujos! Use your talents to make my otome fantasy real." They really don't want to put the effort in it. The only way to beat the "fujo menace" is to make more het fan content to drown the homo out, but of course they don't want to do that.
No.3450
>>3435It's annoying that only the BL game allows fujo content there. That's why I don't really want "canon only" to be the only reason you're allowed to ship two dudes. I remember that board complaining when Enstars did some baity moments with two dudes instead of focusing on them with the mc.
No.3451
>>3450>That's why I don't really want "canon only" to be the only reason you're allowed to ship two dudesEven in that thread people ape up when you talk about alternate pairings for Nu:C. We get it: due to the nature of gachashit the other pairings will never happen, but if we're allowed to lust over the literal semen-slurping men of Nu:C then we should be allowed to ship the other cocksuckers among each other too. I love Eiden but the clan members also look cute with one another. Except Rin. Rin solely belongs to Eiden.
No.3452
Jeez how many joseimuke refugees are there here.>>3450Enstar has always baited fujos, and from what I know (someone can correct me) they bait fujos more often so that was extra stupid, why the theatrics? The Genshin yumes easily have to be the worst though, I know little about Genshin yet all their posts are cringy. The chillest ones are the Arknights anons, but as a fujo I still don't want to talk to the yumes about it because I know we aren't coming from the same place.
No.3453
>>3452I love how Kaveh triggers the Genshin yumes so hard
No.3454
>>3453Is he an explicit not for (you) character? Those trigger yumes so hard, not everything has to be for you, when faced with them they act no different from coomers who need every gacha girl to be their pure waifu and if they even so glance at a man they'll have an aneurysm and threaten death on the developers.
No.3455
>>3454Kaveh is the male character that gets in the way for the "real chad" character that the yumes fawn over, Alhaitham. They hate Kaveh so much, they'll make up narratives that Alhaitham is "chill" and "doesn't think about Kaveh," but the truth is that those two act like a married couple and mention one another all the time unprompted. Out of all the fujobait characters of Genshin, those two are the only two I can say they're most likely meant to be an actual couple (but can't because Winnie the Pooh hates the gays). The others are just baity or just fun to ship around with. So yeah Alhaitham is not a for (you) character and that's why they shit talk Kaveh and the Kavetham shippers
No.3457
>>3448>Even the fujos that I know who are into otome media usually create a persona separate from their own self to ship with the boysYeah, I'll play an otome game sometimes but it has to be one where the protagonist has a defined appearance and personality such as Bocchi musume. I've had steam recs sometimes that seemed appealing at first but then I lost interest when it was one of those "First person choose your pronouns" types.
No.3458
>>3452As a Genshinfag I absolutely agree that Genshin yumes are the worst I've seen in my decade of gachashit. Especially Childe yumes, holy moley I've been conditioned into assuming anyone admitting to yume-ing for Childe to be a purebred schizo. Scaramouche yumes come in as a close second because they're both characters who are fascinated by the main character and also characterized as "bad boys".
>>3454>>3455Yeah, Kaveh triggered Chinese yumes especially so bad they tried reporting Mihoyo (the game's developer) to the authorities for gay propaganda because he and Alhaitham were undeniably homosexual with their relationship, they're so gay even gachaincels had to admit that it's making them uncomfortable how canon they are. Still can't get over yumes calling him a "green tea bitch" kek, sorry it's not you whose living expenses Alhaitham is paying out of his own pocket and dedicating half of his voicelines to.
No.3459
>>3455>>3458That's interesting because the yume in the thread we are speaking of is yume'ing over Kaveh so in perspective it's extra pathetic.
No.3463
>>3452Enstars yumes always pick the faggiest characters to yume as well like…rinne (constantly proposing marriage to Niki, not the player), Mika (Shu is his entire world) and ritsu (obsessed with mao) …like do they seriously just ignore the characters ingame traits and just cope with the for (you) voice lines they get?
No.3474
>>3458I hate Childe and Scaramouche for this reason. Childe has to have some of the most psycho yumes who want their bad boy/good girl romance, you should see their twitter ramblings about how Hoyo intends it to be canon. The only other dude who has worse yumes is Xiao, and that's because he's pushed even more on the player.
I don't really like Genshin yaoi that much, not even Haikaveh. It's just so bland because nothing happens in the story much and all the characters are just too fluffy? I'm not asking for some edge here, but Genshin shipping feels so sterile because there's no interesting conflict or lore behind it. The yumeshit is why I don't really care for their "bad boys" because yume fanon is so repulsive to me.
No.3475
>>3474I def get what you mean. To me Genshin feels like an episode of dora the explorer. it's so unsexy and unshippable because everything is made to be the least offensive.
No.3485
>>3484From my view sometime in 2021-2022 people started calling themselves fujoshi ironically. I think it was just people trying to emulate "animecore"/2000-2010s otaku cringe but the more people joked about being fujoshi and liking the yaoi the more it started being genuine. My assumption is most of the people parroting the "yaoi is fetishization" line didn't actually believe it and were still reading problematic BL behind closed doors (and possibly because they were burnt out from 2020 type activism), so the previous yaoi-hating types basically took the whole trend as an opportunity to "come out" as fujoshi kek. There's definitely been a reform in image of the term because now I see people openly using arguments that used to get shit on in 2017 like how fujoshi is a reclaimed misogynistic term or w/e.
No.3486
>>3484It's been ages since I encountered genuine antis cause my twitter feed is well curated and it never gets brought up in any of the discords I'm active in so I hadn't thought of this possibility. I did notice that when that image of the french lady on a government photo holding omegaverse BL went viral I didn't see anyone hating her in the communities I frequent.
No.3488
Wish that could be me. I made a comment about a ship I hate and how it's overtaken a fandom, the kind of ship where it only works by making one of the characters into an OC, and a bunch of people replied to me like "yeaah kill all fujos, fujos get the rope!" I fucking snuck out the backdoor and haven't spoken there much since. Totally messed up judging what kind of server that was even though I'd had months of normal conversations there.
I think fujos are thriving more openly than we had been but right now tensions between different types of female fan are artificially high. Not because of morality issues or genuine butting heads, but just this weird assumption that yumejo and fujoshi are sides in a war and anyone not on your side has to be malicious. We went so many years without this particular rhetoric and then end of 2023 people are saying this stuff like they just learnt they had an enemy with a name. I never saw people calling themselves yumejo while shittalking fujo before this, and people used to just say "shippers" not specifically fujos.
I guess this comes back to the "people assume one type of content is to blame for killing their type of content" from up the thread. Which is obviously stupid to say about people doing slash, like they were ever going to draw/write your straight pair. The amount of one isn't inverse of the other, it's fully dependent on how much the source material inspires and if fans step up to the plate. Nobody is actively trying to take down your fandom by writing drabble about two men kissing.
I'm a hypocrite though, because when I think about it through the lens of that fandom with the ship I hate I do think "if they weren't caught up in this trend they'd draw more of the ships I like." But at least that was still homo ships and the same artists who once did either, so there was a possibility. I'm not mad, they're mad! Haha.
No.3489
>>3488>a ship I hate and how it's overtaken a fandom, the kind of ship where it only works by making one of the characters into an OC>I'm a hypocrite though, because when I think about it through the lens of that fandom with the ship I hate I do think "if they weren't caught up in this trend they'd draw more of the ships I like."Relatable! A talented artist being into it is always a knife twist, but my copium with the fanfic is that most of it is OOC drek written by teens/young adults and I'd hate having to dig through it all to find good fic if they all suddenly swapped to the correct ship.
>>3484I've been cautious about the positive fujo posts I see because to me they've always seemed to toe the line of irony/plausible deniability, like
>>3485 says. These days I only really trust people who post about fujoshit if they have 30+ in their bio.
No.3491
>>3484Many of them have terminal irony poisoning and think fujo is the next quirky 00's aesthetic label for themselves just like any other subculture of that time. I see a lot of MTFs who label themselves a "fujo" for example because they think being a fujo is synonymous to their NEET hikki Lain girl larp despite never having an ounce of interest in BL or shipping, vice versa there are a lot of edgelords adopting the fujo label just to be contrarians and "stick it to the snowflakes" without any real investment in anything fujo-related either. I like to think that being a genuine fujo is becoming popular too and being an anti has utterly left the vogue for good, but you really have to be careful out there. Plenty of the notorious "yaoi fangirls" of the 00's were just contrarians and yumes leeching on the community.
No.3495
>>3488>I think fujos are thriving more openly than we had been but right now tensions between different types of female fan are artificially high. Not because of morality issues or genuine butting heads, but just this weird assumption that yumejo and fujoshi are sides in a war and anyone not on your side has to be malicious.And I'm just going to come out and say it, it's 100% on yumes. It's them who can't handle seeing content they don't like. It's them who complain about not being able to just filter tags properly. It's them being personally offended that people produce fanfic and fanart portraying their imaginary husbando with another man. Fujos just wish them to shut the fuck up and leave them alone, yumes want fujos to be removed altogether. It's not a "both sides bad" problem. In my opinion it was made way worse when yumes from openly homophobic countries made it to international spaces and normalized screaming about it making the closeted homophobic yumes of the west join their choir, antis over here crying about fujos fetishizing muh gay men while a rich pakistani yume posts about how faggots need to burn in hell bismillah.
No.3497
>>3495From what I have been observing lately, it's less yumes taking an antagonistic stance and more the case of himejoshi (and blatant trannies invading their own spaces such as
>>3315 and >>33170) the ones who want fujos and their content to be removed from fandom spaces altogether.
No.3511
>>3497Modern himejoshis are another cancer entirely, especially the trannies who mald and seethe about fujos endlessly as they can't coom to a bunch of women they consider unattractive drawing sexualized men and what doesn't make them coom makes them irrationally angry. But current day cis himejos aren't much better, they're often male repulsed NLOGs who unironically think they're being based feminists for "co-opting" coomified female characters clearly made for men and "making them theirs" while labeling fujos as "male-obsessed pornsick misogynists". Yes, I'm sure those men are extremely triggered by a hot half naked female being in a lesbian relationship with another hot half naked female, you sure showed them. The obsession with headcanoning actresses, singers and blatant pickme authors as lesbians is obnoxious too, how brain damaged do you have to be to think objectifying and sexualizing women through a distinctively male lens is signature lesbian behavior?
No.3556
>>3497Watching himejoshis who are threatened by fujos partnering up with yumes who hate seeing their husbando not being shipped with the girl they self insert upon is just funny. The himes don't even know that yumes will turn on them too because they like seeing girls with guys, not yuri. They'll hate on yuri ships too if they feel it's taking away from some straight ship.
I hate himes who hate on fujos because they ally with the worst people. Fujos don't usually hate on yuri, but himes still start shit because they're too purity damaged to write more fanfiction. If they stopped being so afraid of "problematic" dynamics or even embraced shipping ships that were not canon the way that fujos do, they'd have more fanfiction.
No.3557
>>3484I have to disagree, I don't think that the fujo meme is acceptance. People are still hypocrites. They'll call themselves a fujo but then make a tweet about how being a fujo is misogynist because you're not shipping a fictional girl so you must hate women. It's like how many of them make memes about how they love "toxic yaoi/yuri" but they're still antis. Fujos who think they're better than other fujos because their ships aren't problematic/they ship canon intended yaoi/their work is more "IC" so they're not "fetishizing" have always been the enemy. That's the type of person people like this anon need to be aware of even if you hate a yaoi ship,
>>3488 most people are all about how they're not fujos or if they ship two guys, they ship them better, it's a whole thing.
>>3511 This is why Hoyoverse game fandoms are a special type of breeding ground for this, which is a shame because they have yuri ships I actually like. But the fans are all people who hate fujos, and they want fujos to write fanfics for them without realizing that they're driving them away by calling them "manfucking misogynists" just for writing about fictional husbandos.
No.3569
>>3557>This is why Hoyoverse game fandoms are a special type of breeding ground for thisDon't get me started anon. Hoyoverse himes test my patience every fucking day, like you thought EiMiko shippers were bad? Try pretty much anyone from Star Rail. It's basically the most unhinged yurifags from the Honkai fandom who absolutely obsess over their malegaze woman A x malegaze woman B ships like their lives depended on it and it's all fueled by the undercurrent of seething at fujos who DARED to invade THEIR fandom and always making sure they know how much they hate all the male characters in the game and Stelle is the canon trailblazer.
No.3619
>>3484I am so baffled by how openly pro yaoi the Bravern threads on /a/ and /m/ are that I expected some psy-OP at first lmao
I honestly have the shizo theory that the waste majority of media fandom discussions are done by women and gay men these days. I swear that almost every 4chan thread I visit sounds like it was dominated by gay fans or lesbian women.
For years 4channers have joked about how men left anime behind to obsess over vtuber and gacha and I thought it was a joke, but the more I post the more I believe it's true. The fact a livelong male anime enjoyer I know is too busy playing Genshin and Honkai to watch anime now seems to confirm my suspicion. Even the hate posts I see on 4chan sound like they were coming from yume nowadays, not men or at least not heterosexual men.
I dunno, maybe it depends on the series you watch. I don't watch isekai and battle shounen, so maybe that's where the male fans hide these days. Or maybe they just generally abandoned anime and cartoon related fandom spaces.
No.3622
I noticed that many have moved a bit away from "fujo = evil" and rather emphasize women love now and hint that not shipping them made you suspicious.
I know, >discord. But I still share a small discord with former friends. Some of them are fujos that I formerly respected who now feel the need to counter every gay related post someone makes with lesbian praise. Right now it's mostly Marcille and MC'S sister from Dungeon Meshi (nothing against the series itself btw). Thing is that even on days when DM is not even airing and I think I could talk about gay they HAVE to reply with that. Or they feel the need to emphasize how THAT FEMALE SIDE CHARACTER of a gay sausage fest show they should enjoy is the best character by far. Like, every day. Even if it's fucking loli. Why are even watching the show?
Like, I get it. I am evil because like male characters. Fuck you too. It's depressing but soon I will have lost 100% of all friendships I ever made because everybody turned into a fucking asshole after 2017 and especially after Covid. Politics and SNS have wrecked people's brains forever, let me go back.
No.3629
>>3622Kek I used to be a part of a fandom discord with really smug f/f shippers and simps for female characters. They kept bringing up how they couldn't understand why anyone would only like male characters and how "restricted" their taste is, clearly having this feeling of superiority over fujos that they rarely attempted to hide. I called them out for it every single time and it ended up being a huge argument since their fragile egos were hurt for not getting their asses patted over discreetly dunking on fujos, got slapped on the wrist with a warning by the admin a few times for causing infighting but it was 100% worth it. They even tried the lesbophobia card but I'm in a long term relationship with a woman so didn't work on me. Fujos have been whipped into submission for years so they clearly weren't expecting anyone to disagree with them.
No.3630
>>3629Yeah this. It's especially provoking if it's a series with no relevant female characters. Like, do they really try to tell me that they prefer that girl with 2 minutes of screentime over any of the MCs? If it's for real then why are they even watching the show?
They even imply they were only watching it for these side characters and I don't believe it. It's either a lie and they don't admit it because they want to feel superior or they are hate-watching it and then they must have some mental issues tbh, because if they watch a whole BL pandering show for no other reason than to praise some background "ara" "ara" or loli to make themselves feel better than fujos then I don't know what to say anymore.
I am a bit pissed because they actually enjoyed m/m pairings with me in the past. But guess SNS turns everybody that uses it into an asshole and it's just a matter of time. I honestly quit tumblr a long time ago and never made text posts so maybe I have some immunity because of that.
No.3654
>>3619>where the male fans hide these daysShonen has a large population of dudebros whose normie disposition shields them from vtuber/gachashit. It's ironic that you could probably have a better conversation about anime with them over the quintessential modern """otaku""".
I've always considered being too into gacha/streamers/vtubers a huge red flag for "do I want to be acquainted with this person" and the one dude who used to tell me "just let people enjoy things" when I'd vent about it has actually apologized, lol. It's getting pretty rough out there in weeaboo land.
>>3630>do they really try to tell me that they prefer that girl with 2 minutes of screentime over any of the MCs?Not to defend these clowns in particular but sometimes a nothing character activates the worms. An easy example of this lies no further than the Death Note thread in /f/ and the chatter about Matt.
Of course if they actually cared about their nothing character they would be creating fanart/fic instead of yas queening them to the detriment of the male cast (like the ratio on Matt fanart versus Matt canon is insane).
No.3674
>>3673The results make sense since this is about the 4th, 5th and 6th games only, and the 5th and 6th games are official fanfictions that butchered all the main characters. I would have been disgusted if anyone liked Phoenix from these games rather than the one from the games written by Shu Takumi. If anything the idiot of posted the first tweet should be very gratedul that Athena even shows up in that ranking.
No.3675
>>3673Who would've thought a fandom of fujos would like the two obvious people to pair with? And actually good female characters? jfc, some these kids need a job. Anything to get off the computer and touch grass.
No.3678
>>3673What other female characters do they think should have been in the Top 10?? Franziska and Mia aren't in the sequel trilogy, and I can't think of any other very popular characters. Besides, saying 'over half men' is so dramatic when it's a 6:4 ratio.
No.3679
>>3677Hating women = only liking some
No like seriously? I fear for these people because you can't even enjoy male led media without being labeled a misogynist and ostracized accordingly.
No.3688
>>3673I'm willing to bet that the people posting this shit are trannies, literally the only people I see forcing this "female characters not being as popular with bishounens is LITERAL MISOGYNY!!!!" are yuribrained troons mad their waifus aren't winning. Like
>>3674 said the female characters in games 4-6 are nowhere near as interesting as the ones Shu Takumi wrote in the original trilogy but more akin to generic "nice girls". Fujos at large care more about female characters than any man does.
No.3690
>>3569It's a shame because I actually like the yuri ships in the Honkai games, but the Western himes are that bad. I don't know if there was this much pitting fujos and himes as mortal enemies two decades ago. I see the same thing in every single fandom where both yuri and yaoi ships are popular. They do it in the Project Sekai fandom, and now Dungeon Meshi is the new fandom for people to make engagement farming tweets about how misogynistic fujos are taking away from the lesbians. I don't see this ending any time soon.
No.3692
>>3673>>3674>>3675Anytime there's poll drama it proves how much people don't understand demographics and popularity. You only get one vote. No shit the protagonists are going to get the most votes, followed by the main rival and deuteroganist of the series. That's what happens when you play a game series that has male characters in the major roles. Go look at a fan poll for a series with all girls or the main leads as mostly girls, and you'll see female characters winning because they're the stars of the series. Shocking news, people tend to vote for the characters with the most screentime or affecting story because that's what they remember more. Nice girls are a dime a dozen and would top polls if they're the mcs.
No.3693
>>3690>I don't know if there was this much pitting fujos and himes as mortal enemies two decades agoWe weren't trapped in the same enclosures back then. A lot of the friction now comes from being able to easily peek over the fence and get mad that the fujos are having a potluck and when you are hungry and a shitty cook. Outside of user-submitted multifandom archives like ff.net or deviantart, if you weren't actively searching for a character/term/ship you simply didn't see it and it was MUCH harder to produce M/M versus F/F numbers to get mad at.
No.3694
>>3693Off topic but.. How do we go back.. how do we revert time? I wish we had a website like classic deviantart already… So many art site projects and they all fail. If we had a site like dA back I'm sure a lot of art drama would automatically go down because it wouldn't be encouraged by an algorithm like twitter (although I probably have rose tinted glasses for thinking Twitter think won't bleed out onto other spaces).
No.3695
>>3694I don't think we can ever go back. Culturally fancops align with rightoids who love to hatesearch and harass for fun. The ideal place for a fandom community would be somewhere with active moderation and a maybe even a vetting process for account registration.
No.3696
>>3695>hate searchingthat explains so much and I feel so vindicated right now. Everyone said not to worry or no cares but why do people care so much about what others do? it's not like they're hanging their dog over a caldera. They're shipping two guys together but since it's "synonymous" with gay normalization and wokeness, it's tossed into the same box with no regards to rationale or nuance.You see this with the far left's quiet disbane of bl content but wanton worship of gl in spite of track record pandering to men for most of its inceptions save for the old days. The only time fujos ever get respect from the left is admitting their gay men in the bodies of women. Than you have the far right's need to label everything woke or against straight white men because the protags are gay japanese boys.
we just can't win in life…
No.3697
>>3694Fucking this. I hate web 2.5. I hate that there are no tags. Twitter has none, instashit might as well have none and the place is unbearable for like 20 different reasons, tumblr is the only one that have them but nuTumblr hides images sometimes and there is way too much blog posting and off-topic reblogging.
I want a pure fan art site. Not to mention that the porn ban killed the community forever and what's left is trash like pic related.
DA was also great because there was no reblogging. Yeah, it helps spreading your art. But it also attracts drama like nothing else. Sensitive idiots judge what others reblog and get mad because they see art from people they didn't follow or you get passive aggressions because someone gets jelly because someone else gets more reblogs than them. And not even TALKING about the tumblr guilt tripping "if you like, you SHOULD reblog you piece of shit!!", making me abstain from even liking art.
Another issue is that you simply cannot find all fanart without tags. Maybe 90% and even then you are forced to scroll twitter 10 times a day for hours. With tags it's one click and you see everything newly uploaded regardless of make it.
No.3698
>>3697Pixiv is good with tags too if you can get past the Japanese, but is why as much as some people hate them booru sites are invaluable. I find most of my art on Danbooru and then use the "artist" tab to find their actual accounts. I can't imagine actually being able to find them in the wild and especially not for my fandoms.
No.3699
>>3698Lately I've been seeing people on twitter and the like act so weird about pixiv, because they allow extreme content and AI art I guess?, and I can only assume they just don't know that you don't have to see any of that stuff if you don't want to. When I get into a new pairing one of the first things I'll do is find out the japanese shipping tag to see what's on pixiv.
No.3700
>>3698Booru is sadly useless if you are mainly into side characters like me. They have maybe 5% of the fanart that exist and it's only the best of the best with the MCs unless the series is insanely popular so I don't it anymore.
Pixiv was my way to go until the mid 10s. But after that the quality went down the drain. Now the majority of art looks like it was drawn by kids and it's mostly used as dumping ground at best and niche place for loli porn and other shit people don't dare to upload anywhere else. It's still okay since half of the artists are still uploading their art as collections after they uploaded them on twitter. Problem: not all of them do it anymore and the ones that do barely tag so you miss a lot. They usually only tag the series and at best the 1-2 characters that appear the most often, which are again usually not the ones I care about.
No.3703
>>3702I might get flammed for this but I do feel this way sometimes. I feel like a hypocrite for dogshitting loli but then liking shota.
No.3704
>>3703The way I see it I've personally never seen a fujoshi who openly acts like the one in the picture so it comes off as a strawman to me. Maybe I just never came across them, I guess?
No.3706
>>3703Kek same, i'll make fun of myself for my double standards but it's totally fine to have different reactions to different things. The wider implications aren't the same for either kind of sexualization. I've also seen/heard plenty of cases of grooming w/ lolishota material by men and none by fujos so that plays a part too
No.3707
>>3706I can't help but feel guilty though. It gives me cognitive dissonance lol.
No.3708
>>3704It's a reference to the youtuber Noralities, who preached how sexualizing girls from BNHA is digusting, yet she posted suggestive ship art of BNHA boys on her Tumblr.
That happened a while ago, but I still remember it to this day.
No.3709
>>3702The glaring difference is that most of the time those 15-year old girls get sexualized to hell and back in the original source material while the smut created of 15-year old boy characters is all fandom works. I honestly just roll my eyes at people drawing porn of a teenage girl character because in theory she could pass as an adult if I didn't know any better, but when the source material actually puts her in bikini in a very malegaze way, puts her in sexual situation and practically gives you the go-ahead to coom over her it's a problem.
No.3712
>>3703I joke about my double standards but I legitimately do think that men are worse at separating fiction from reality than women are. Male lolicons are insane in a way I've never seen a female shotacon be. I also don't like male shotacons. I think when women do it it's just them being safe horny, but when men do it it's creepy because they're the same ones who argue age of consent laws should be lowered.
No.3718
>>3703Tbh I do feel that there is a difference between men and women here. Women liking a character like Ciel Phantomhive or Len Kagamine is not the same as when men make art that perfectly resembles a literal 6y.o. child, but for some reason both are classified under "shota." The male-made content feels genuinely pedophilic and dangerous, while the female-made content is like "petite babyfaced anime boy" and feels healthily divorced from reality. Does that make sense? This is just my impression based on what I've come across
No.3726
>>3712when male shotacons talk about shotas they just sound like actual pedophiles. I quit looking at /cm/ shota threads because of how much lewd semi-realistic art and genuinely pedophile-sounding comments there are. that and how much they hate women lmfao
No.3727
>>3718>>3702I don't like how fans of a ship with another character from the IP get lumped in with the people who conjure a child-shaped onahole from their imagination. The difference is so blatant to me it feels wrong to call it a double standard. A collection of 200 Sebastian/Ciel or Terada/Rika (het, CCS) doujins would not raise my eyebrows like a collection of 200 original loli/shota works would.
>>3712The most insane female shotacon I can think of is omocat and even then she was pretty mild/only recently got shit for it.
No.3750
>>3712This, like 90% of male lolicons are irl pedophiles. I used to be a lot more involved with fandoms as a teenager and I saw it all the time. The female shotacons would post cute art while the male lolicons would post about how hot their child neice is and how they wished they could watch irl loli.
No.3751
>>3726Call them fags and tell them yaoi is for women. It really pisses them off, trust me.
>>3718This, men and women are different. I hear tons of guys sperging about how they wish a older women had molested them as a child. You never hear women saying stuff like that. They oppose female shotacons, not because they think it's wrong, but because they hate any kind of double standard that benefits women. We earned our reputation of not being dangerous, men should do the same.
No.3767
>>3693I've been to /u/ and I can tell you that yurifags are their own worst enemies. Fujos have decades of not caring if their ship isn't canon or if two guys wind up married to women and they have no problem shipping guys who met once if the fanon dynamic can be hot enough,
But /u/? They spend so much time arguing if shit is real yuri. They rage at the thought of shipping from a series with all girls if there's no canon yuri ship. They only want canon, and they will bully other himes if they ship something that isn't canon. That's why they have less fics. They discourage people from shipping anything not canon, and then they're also too obsessed with ship purity so they bully people for shipping age gaps or incest, even if the ship is still vanilla as fuck.
No.3768
>>3695Artists would also never join. Most good artists want to monetize, which means more people, so they need the big sites. They would never move to a platform based on modding and vetting and limit their audience. This is why you see more artists who want to make it big sanitizing their content, too.
>>3696Because it means engagement.Rage farming and negativity results in more engagement.
No.3769
>>3767This why I get annoyed when people complain about stuff like P5 or Buddy Daddies not having canon gay stuff.
To me being latched to the teat of canonicity can only hurt you in the long run. Fandom is the breeding grown of most good ship content that can be squeezed from something.
Also maybe it's just my personal terrible taste showing through, but if one of the guys in my ship is in a marriage or relationship I love mining that for angst as he sneaks around behind his wife's back for my ship.
No.3770
>>3768>Most good artists want to monetize, which means more people, so they need the big sites. Most good artists looking to monetize are multifandom if not blatantly FOTM bag chasers and would be unsuited to the site I am imagining (and specifically why I typed "fandom community", although maybe I should have been even more specific with something like "shipping community", lol). Something akin to how livejournal communities were. Somewhere where people could be weird about their ships together without fear of it getting hijacked by people handwringing about it being problematic because the moderators are in-house and understand how that shit is poison for fandom creatives (this is a huge problem with a lot of modern communities because mods are pussies who go out of their way to tolerate intolerance under the guise of remaining neutral, it's textbook rightoid infiltration).
No.3777
>>3770Such places are too much in danger to go full discord and ban all negativity IMO. Really, discords are just like that. You aren't allowed to even hint that you don't like a character or pairing in a discussion since everybody takes it personally. So nah. I want freedom and everybody should grow up and learn to tolerate opinions.
There is a huge difference between someone not liking a pairing for how it's written or depicted and someone hating on it because they consider gay content degenerated.
No.3805
>>3804Honestly no idea who this is, but she's wrong lol. All fanfics types vary vastly in quality.
No.3806
>>3805She's Benjanun Sriduangkaew, a heiress to an ultra-wealthy Thai hotel empire living in Thailand (despite claiming to be an oppressed minority) and also a published author writing shitty sci-fi books. She has a history spanning nearly two decades online attacking other authors and being most notorious for hosting a blog called "Requires Hate" which was just dedicated to bashing other peoples' work, especially other womens' as she's a terminal stage NLOG with severe anger issues she refuses to work through. She's also a huge yuri addict who actually hates fujoshis with an unhinged, autistic passion because, once again, she generally can't stand anything other women do despite claiming to be a lesbian. There are a lot of extensive blog posts online detailing her behavior if you're in need of some interesting reading.
No.3807
>>3804This lady has the cash to have a house full of hand-picked writers whose only job is to churn out high quality yuri but is still cryin' about the ratios like everybody else.
No.3808
>>3804>>3806>sheThe latest Instagram posting is about a mtf going to an all girl school book rec, and another t4t "lesbians"…
No.3809
>>3808She's a woman, she tries to appeal to trans people because everyone else can see how much of a grifter and a retard she is.
No.3811
>>3809IIRC she got into hot water for people uncovering that she had posted some YWNBAW stuff in her past so she went into overdrive with the troon pandering to make up for it. I think it was basically her gloating about how white trans women are ugly hons compared to thai ladyboys or something.
No.3812
>>3811I've read she has so many trans women defenders because she actually ponies up the cash for FFS/GRS for them, but I'm not sure how much of that I actually believe. FTMs hate her for the slur "birthday boy"(?), lol. Twitter is so goofy, I hate it but I love it.
No.3818
>>3330Skimming this new round of yuri fanfic numbers discourse reminded me of my own post and I'm here to point out the obvious and say Farcille is the successor to Sulemio. I'd also like to apologize for lowballing the comm price, it's probably closer to $150.
No.3819
>>3806>She's Benjanun Sriduangkaew, a heiress to an ultra-wealthy Thai hotel empire living in Thailand (despite claiming to be an oppressed minority) At first I thought you were joking and this sentence was going to derail into the 'she's a xyz and he's a abc' meme but holy shit you're not joking. What a weird nlog.
No.3820
>>3806Didnt some people die in her hotel/s due to skimming on health and safety regulations or whatever? Anyway I'm just astounded this aggressive of an nlog is actually into yuri, it's like some self-hating complex
No.3821
>>3820IIRC the hotel chain used pesticide to deal with some bug infestation that caused the death of 6 tourists so yeah.
No.3830
>>3804No one can convince me that himes aren't toxic when they let people like this be one of their leaders. Everyone shits on fujos as misogynists but when himes say shit like this, there's no backlash or generalizing them.
No.3831
>>3804>pretty sure everyone by this point has seen the current twitter discourseNah, never heard of it, nor any other discourse. I am not affected by algorithms so I only see what the artists I'm following post.
Probably for the better if I see screenshot stuff like this. I cannot even take this seriously enough to be mad or anything. Sounds like bubble teenagers that aren't aware that other people can read their posts.
No.3832
>>38302020s Twitter/Tiktok times really are a mess. I've just spent the last three hours or so deepdiving all the callouts and compiled incidents on this woman from 2011-2015. There's reams of it, and one essay on her even won a Hugo award. It is astounding that someone can be so thoroughly dragged through the mud and set upon by multiple communities, and ten years later still be in business and supported by many. Even worse, back when she was first outed for harassment and threats - that led to an attempted suicide and more - she was doing so under aliases and kept her pen name free of anything hateful (part of her bit was being chummy with fellow authors, then writing violent fantasies about their murder and rape under other names). Now she just does it all on main because people will congratulate her for sticking up for minorities and passing on gofundmes. That's where socmed is at these days.
The "I'm literally shaking and vomiting" shit she pulled back in 2012 speaks of so much mental unwellness, and now thanks to the culture of Xitter she can be surrounded by the constant language of violence and aggression and being hurt by everything all hours of the day and night. I can't imagine how fucked in the head you'd be, because I sure can't handle reading much more of this.
Unfortunately because she is a woman who openly speaks about trans and feminist ideals, and because she uses a fujo show for a pfp, there'll be plenty of men who lump her in with fujos as an example of a hysterical social justice dyke. Perhaps that's part of why she's so vocal and angry. People see a crazed woman in fandom and assume it must be either a fujo or MTF. The western concept of himejoshi doesn't exist on a broad scale yet.
No.3833
>>3832She's interesting to me from the angle of "what if an untouchable millionaire(billionaire?) was into fandom". Like could you imagine if instead of trans issues Rowling just went all in on attacking Drarry shippers? Post more highlights if you care to.
>>3832>The western concept of himejoshi doesn't exist on a broad scale yet.I've never thought about it but you're right. So strange that it has stayed under the radar when "himejoshi malding about fujoshi fan content numbers" has been the diagnosis for quite a bit of fandom drama in the last ~5 years.
As I sit here and type I'm still reeling over how much money she has. It would be so easy for her to commission yuri writers to flip the ratio in any fandom tag she wanted but she chooses to cry instead.
No.3834
>>3804Why does she have such a superiority complex over this? It's not like F/F fanfics are that great either coming from a part-time yurifag (dare I say they're worse on average compared to their M/M counterparts kek).
No.3835
>>3834yurifags have started complaining more and more about the lack of f/f on fanfic sites. Actually no I wouldn't even call them real yurifags they're just basic lesbians complaining that noone else is interested in creating f/f. Even if there is a severe lack, I'd much rather have someone write fic because they're passionate about the characters, not because of someone is yelling at them and turning fandom wank into social issue bullshit.
No.3836
>>3833>what if an untouchable millionaire(billionaire?) was into fandom".This is the saddest part for me, someone with money could do stuff like produce a show, a game, fund a publishing house, etc etc all catered to their taste but no. She decides to be a whiny bitch on the internet.
No.3837
>>3833>So strange that it has stayed under the radarI was still thinking about this today and the rather obvious answer hit me. From an outside perspective it just looks like "women addressing (internalized/)misogyny in good faith" rather than "assblasted himejoshi infuriated she isn't getting the ships she wants in the numbers she wants for free". The latter is just so easy to spot because I'm familiar with shipping wars, but I always forget shipping remains a pretty niche thing, even online.
No.3838
>>3835I don't even think they're lesbians, I think they're virtue signalling to compensate for their lack of attraction to women. If they really wanted more f/f, they would write it themselves.
No.3839
>>3838Same these people complain about lack of f/f, but if there was an actual organic interest from all these people it would exist. BL is just much more popular.
No.3840
>>3834Because she's an award winning novelist who thinks comic books and cartoons need to be on the level of her five metaphors per sentence prose or they're worse than dogshit. No in between.
Whatever you do don't try reading the list of titles on her wikipedia page. You will start groaning involuntarily. It's even better when you compare them with the aliases she used for trolling, her tastes really show.
I don't think it's even a case of "no one is writing what I want to read" - because she and her circles
are happily writing away the niche lesbian fiction they want. They just don't want
other genres to exist. You could theorize that it's because if other gay fiction ceased to exist their particular pocket might get seen more, but she was in the running for various prizes, she had the SFF community watching her works and she was making a great number of people read her lesbian fiction. It just wasn't enough for her, she had to attack others and see people destroy themselves and their work. She enjoyed that as much as, if not more, than writing what she wanted to read. She'd probably get a kick out of reading this.
>>3839I think it's a failure of general fandom culture. Tons of people bitching about a lack of yuri fics have come from backgrounds where fic creation was frowned upon as cringeworthy, immature, or too girly (and you don't want to be like the other girls, do you?). People with those backgrounds are the most likely to have been into shows with girl dominated casts - the stuff fanfic shunning male otaku also like. So they've never tried their hand at writing, they don't have any experience of cobbling together something shitty just to make a mark and show someone is interested in a ship, and nobody else is doing it for them.
The average himejoshi hasn't known the variety of fandom activity different series have. They've never had one series with all the fics, and one series where they had to abandon hope or stir things up themselves. Their thinking doesn't naturally reach the idea of "I should do something myself". Their only frame of reference is that the fujoshi fandoms that are big enough to be seen from their side of the web are loaded with content.
They're interested. I'm sure there's anime/manga that inspires them. They just haven't learnt to produce and exchange yet. Exchanging and getting recognition is important for motivation too. But you know, it's easier to write a short tweet whining about circumstances than sitting down and brainstorming a plot. Makes me wish someone who does create would encourage people to have ideas and ambitions, it's so much more fun to yell concepts you enjoy back and forth until something takes shape than to bitch and hit send. The world would be better if people sought that lasting dopamine.
No.3841
>>3804I think this is the yuripedo on lc, same writing style, also calling women baboons etc lol these people are all into the same misogynistic talk 4chan has..some rich mouth breather imagining herself as a pretty anime girl engaging into escapism content lmao
Anyhow on a similiar note it's eye-opening how fujos get hate from lesbians for liking men in a different not moid appreciated way but also from himejos or women with giant egos for not liking any type of self-insert, it's terrifying how some women are so narcissistic they absolutely need to have a self insert figure who is universally adored, otherwise their egos may get a slight scratch.
No.3843
>>3804Bold move to comment on other people's prose when she's written this shit:
>"The town itself is small, as yet nameless though many nicknames have been thought up and hung under eaves. Being where it is lets it prosper, profiting from aspirants hoping to scale Mount Kunlun and gain the attention of a sage, to become ones themselves. Being where it is makes it a target too: too many men, and not a few women, of the world believe that great deeds will raise them to ascendance, and what greater deeds than saving cities and villages from malicious beasts?">"They walk - march - across the mirror sheen of the roof, the pavilion shaped like a scorpion's pedipalp: red-black and downward, poised to snap shut. Within its septic glow the mainframe stands cold and absolute, shielded by a lesser cousin of the aegis that holds the swarm's shape and sutures shut its interstices."I could've included more, but this is a good illustration. Her writing suffers from obscure wording and an overuse of the thesaurus. She has a very repetitive sentence structure, too. I've also noticed her weird tendency to use medical terminology in a way that tells me she doesn't know what she's actually referencing. If you compare anything she has written to an author with good prose (Austen, Faulkner, Fitzgerald, Nabokov, to name the most obvious), her shortcomings are even more apparent. I didn't even know about all the fujo drama; I just thought she was a shitty sci-fi writer with a long history of being an ass online. Also, I'm sorry for going on a cringeworthy rant about literature (I really care about the topic kek), but people weren't talking enough about how bad her writing actually is. I didn't even mention her laughable sex scenes or her poor characterization because I don't want to write too much.
Also, I don't read or write fanfic because I don't understand the appeal, but my whole point is that people living in glass houses should not throw stones.
>>3840>award winning novelistNona, she hasn't won any actual awards for her novels; she was one of 4 runners-up for the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer (she got 5th place), and she still didn’t win even though that award was only available to debut writers in the sci-fi and fantasy genres. She also was a nominee for the British Science Fiction Award, but she didn't win that one. Her short story also got 26th place in a magazine's poll. All of these awards were nearly a decade ago, and unless I'm mistaken (I'm happy to be corrected), she's not won anything since then. I can't tell if you were being sarcastic by calling her an 'award-winning novelist' (I apologize if you were; I am a barely literate fujoshi, after all), but don't give her more credit than she deserves.
No.3845
>>3804Thankfully I don't really catch any of it while on Xitter but it's still embarrassing whenever I see screenshots of it. It's literally just the obnoxious shipping mentality but spread toward genre preferences as whole. "[Person who likes A/B] is a total asshole!" - [Someone who, totally unrelated, ships C/B]
Though I suppose in this instance they aren't even hiding the being pissed about the creation of things they aren't fond of. There's not even any "haha lol" needling anymore, just plain seething about it. It's so mind-numbing to see from a distance, I can't even fathom engaging with it outright. Just like what you like, why is that so impossible?
>>3843Those excerpts are just… ugly, for lack of a better term. I understand them but they aren't at all pleasant to read, regardless of the injection of 'pretty' words. The first sentence about the town is especially bad, imo. She's one of those "my book is like [Thing] mixed with [Thing]!" authors too, I see. Vacuous mouth-breathers indeed, lmao.
No.3851
>>3840>>3843Didn't know it was a writer. Never seen that name before.
Also that quote is probably the worst text excerpt I've ever read. Is this what novel fags buy and read these days? What the fuck does shit like "the pavilion shaped like a scorpion's pedipalp" even mean?
No.3872
>>3845>Those excerpts are just… ugly, for lack of a better term. It's because she has very childish sentence construction while injecting random 'fancy' words into her writing. She's basically looking up a word on WordHippo and then replacing words that would sound natural with something that jumps off the page because of how unfitting it is. This is what middle schoolers do when they first get into creative writing, and it's why their writing often reads awkwardly. Hemingway once criticized Faulkner by saying:
>"Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words? He thinks I don’t know the ten-dollar words. I know them all right. But there are older and simpler and better words, and those are the ones I use."I disagree with this because Faulkner was incredibly talented, but he had complex sentence structure to match his verbose style. If you used Faulkner's language in Hemingway's writing, it would read as unnatural because there's a stylistic mismatch. This is even more apparent with this woman because her wording is much less deliberate than Hemingway's. She seems to be stuck in the mindset that complex vocabulary = good writing, while not understanding how weak her sentence structure is.
>>3851>Is this what novel fags buy and read these days?Nah, this woman's writing just sucks. Her books aren't especially popular, and she hasn't seen any wider recognition since 2014-2015, as far as I'm aware (I don't use social media, so I could be wrong). There have always been unskilled authors, but unlike, say, Colleen Hoover, Brandon Sanderson, or someone else who writes poorly-written but popular books, her stories aren't entertaining enough to compensate for her lack of skill. If anything, her writing reminds me of that godawful book, Irene Iddesleigh, that CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien, and friends would clown on constantly. I do think the modern publishing industry is a disgrace, but Fujochan is not the place for me to go on about that.
No.3874
>>3843My bad, I thought she'd won something for a short story and that the one, single win would be something she could hold aloft while shitting on others. Awards make for some very frustrating internet arguments, because if someone
has won one you can't say their work is universally bad, someone somewhere found certified value in it. Her wikipedia page even begins to the tune of high praises, before it crashes on the "controversy", so I may have been misled on people's opinion of her works.
The talk page is funny because the editors went in circles trying to get a good enough source to not look like they were just beefing with her. Then someone turns up arguing about it and they have to ask "what is your relation to her". I've never seen that before and it gave me a chuckle.Rest assured I was assuming "award winning" literature just wasn't anything I would care to read. I saw pretentious sounding titles and assumed that's just how people get in the running. I'm speaking from my own glass house though, my writing ends up with that same 'oh I'm so mythical and profound' tone in the sentence structure, and I hate it. Dropped so many writing projects because I couldn't break out of sounding like a twat. However, I at least try not to obscure what the fuck I'm describing. Only use extremely specific terminology when identifying the thing itself, not as a simile!
Also that decade is her own doing. 2014 is when she got outed by her own publisher and posted two apologies that didn't address much and blamed some of her threats on others. That's the year she stopped being nominated.
>>3845You have no idea how hard I resisted pointing out her "Gwitch x Greek Myth" advert in previous posts. I don't know how to explain it concisely, but it feels like appealing to people without a bone of cynicism in their body. Someone who will happily eat whatever, expecting the best thing because they were told so.
No.3878
>>3872> This is what middle schoolers do when they first get into creative writingIt reminds me of the amateur authors that misunderstand the "vary the terms" and go all retard with this to the point at which they're even replacing pronouns and names with adjectives and attributes. You know the "The brown haired man said, while he was looking at the blue-eyed rival". Bitch I can't even remember which character the one with brown hair was, just say the names.
>She seems to be stuck in the mindset that complex vocabulary = good writingMy issue is that it's not even specialist terms, it's unnecessary stupid metaphors. I really don't care if a pavilion looks like some scorpion part, what the fuck even is this comparison? She compares things that have no similarity. I can compare a donkey with a stone if I try hard enough, but that doesn't mean that the similarity I see is natural. Personally I don't like empurpled language on principle though.
No.3894
>>3893They even fight eachother over how much personality an mc should be allowed to have because if she's too much of her own character they start to feel cucked kek what a load
No.3895
>>3893Yumes are notorious for disliking any female characters who compete with their self insert ships. I can't take the sperging seriously because all they ever do is project.
No.3896
>>3893>>3895That reminds me of how the mass effect yumes made "awareness" posts on tumblr explaining why a heterosexual pairing that becomes canon with a certain love interest (Garrus) if you didn't choose him shouldn't exist, should be viewed as non-canon by fans and was generally bad writing and enraging.
The thing is that Garrus can get together with Tali (an alien woman) but you don't even get this development if you choose the guy yourself. But the sheer knowledge that it is the alternative in a version of the game that they didn't even play drove them mad. Their explanation was that another woman being a candidate devalued the choosing of feMC and other shit that is too complex to explain.
They also said the same about gay ships from fans like how it was "erasing women" (funny how that only matters when it's about the self-insert and not female side characters). Those posts had a lot of engagement since it's what many of them thought. I also get regularly blocked by yumes for shipping gay or retweeting it which is another reason for why I only engage with fujos. Hell I only CAN engage with them since everybody else blocks or mutes.
No.3899
Whenever yumes or hetshippers discuss BL or Fujos it's always the same regurgitated argument taken from twitter or tumblr.
>Noooo why fujos don't focus on female characters!
I genuinely think these people have some cognitive issues kek, why impose such demands on spaces explicitly dedicated to liking men?
What I find extremely incoherent is when they sperg about female characters being villainesses or seen as such.
Rivals are akin to the "villain" of romance stories, it is a common trope in most media. Why they make it about BL?
Actually, the "villainess" is a super popular trope in 98% of shoujo and het romances in general, in which she is always portrayed in an extremely negative light against the pure heroine.
Some romantic comedy anime also love to portray non-main female characters in a negative light or depict them as annoying to the main male character.
It's also worth saying that BL has most often male rivals, so they are essentially complaining over non-issue that also barely happens kek
It feels like these are just yumes that seethe over their tastes not being universally liked, it screams insecurity.
No.3900
>>3899I think it goes back to 2000s era slash fanfiction where to justify a male character leaving a girlfriend or wife authors would write "bashing" fics where said wife/girlfriend was abusive or disparaging.
This doesn't often happen in original works or published yaoi, but it very much was a thing in fandom spaces.
No.3901
>>3899>>Noooo why fujos don't focus on female characters!The funniest shit here is that a lot of fujoshi also like stories about female characters. Most of the ones I know well irl, like a least a dozen, like older shojo manga and read and watch all sorts of genres, it's just that they also like watching/reading about their favorite male characters dating or fucking each other and read BL manga at the same time. Being picky over female characters in fiction is completely normal when you're a teenage girl or a grown woman, and even the ones who don't know or care about BL or slash can be picky.
At least saying this about female characters is less dumb than saying "fujoshi are too male centered" because that one implies we're obsessed with real men and we're ignoring and insulting real women instead of fictional characters.
No.3902
>>3899They regurgitate moralfag arguments from twitter and tumblr because their logic is the exact same. It isn't enough to just dislike something, they have to try and guilt trip you for liking something they don't because they're insecure. It always just seems like a control thing to me. It's funny because I actually do like femslash and many female characters, but the hetshippers and straight yumes are pretty much never in spaces dedicated to that. What they really mean by "why don't fujos focus on female characters" is "why don't fujos like bland self-insert FLs breasting boobily" because it threatens their egos. Because they project onto those characters, they take it personally when we reject them and find them cringe or uninteresting. I also think this is why they try to do the "umm checkmate, you guys self insert as ukes mmkay" thing, they really can't fathom that there are women who engage with fiction in different ways from them, and they think it'll hurt our feelings the way it hurts theirs.
No.3903
>>3902This. Fujos almost always watch yuri series. Even I who aren't lesbian watch a lot of them. This anime season alone I watch three I think. You will never see yumes in this. Hell I never see yumes enjoying feMC that aren't relatable to them either. If the feMC is too tomboylike or serious and non-moe or even black they usually stay away from the series.
When I saw the costumed MCs for games that yumes create with the character editor like 97% of them were the blandest stuff you can imagine. White women, always blond or red-haired, always with the Barbie body style and face and they were usually called Melody, Laetitia, Auris etc. and were either slaves or nobles, or slaves that became nobles after marrying a prince, if they could add that background.
No.3904
>>3899>Noooo why fujos don't focus on female characters!so fucking retarded it's funny. for me it's because 99% of the time female characters are written badly or unrealistically which is obviously bothering as it dehumanizes women as a whole. i don't give a fuck if male characters are written like shit because they aren't human to me. if anyone's an antifujo i'm rightfully gonna assume they're an MRA male coddler bc who actually gives a fuck that males are fictionally raping each other up the ass? what actual, real-life harm does it bring? it's not like women are raping and killing gay males like lesbian fetishizing males are lol. god forbid women enjoy any form of content which isn't male coombait or grooming them into believing that old, abusive, ugly, geriatric men are daddies.
No.3905
>>3904>who actually gives a fuck that males are fictionally raping each other up the ass? what actual, real-life harm does it bring?It's so funny cause I've personally never seen an actual gay male imply that BL somehow harms him. The couple of gay guys I know don't give a shit. Just women who need to touch grass and fakebois who need to touch grass.
No.3906
>>3905every "gay male" who screeches about how "yaoiz fetishizes us!1!11!!!" is a t poisoned woman. sad. irl, gay males regard yaoi as just another type of obviously overexaggerated fiction. males do not view realistic male characters as themselves, that's why they latch onto idealized versions, see the whole "literally me" shit. they are stupid enough to encapsulate women as a whole from a single piece of media (which is why badly written female characters are harmful) but will regard bad male characters as "not me, so it doesn't matter." that's why we should push to stop pushing for realistic male portrayal in media. if i wanted to see a misogynistic rapist retard, i'd just go outside.
No.3907
>>3905>>3906There are some gay men who shit talk fujos but it's the woman hating type of gay dude, that was James Somerton's whole brand
No.3908
>>3900>in fandom spacesShipper wars and disliked characters are inevitable occurrences in some fandoms. I fail to see the correlation with fujos uniquely,
as het ship vs. het ship debates often generate the same or even more bashing. Take for instance series like shipwars in Bleach, Naruto, or Chainsaw Man, where there are also moids talking.
No.3910
>>3902>>3903Hands up everyone who played an otome game or watched an adaptation of one and started memeing that the MC's best friend should have been her True route because the girls have better chemistry than the MC and the guys. It's like textbook, the undateable best friend always looks like a good option because for some reason she knows all about you and your interests, looks out for you especially, gets involved in your whole dang life for no reason. What's she like that for? Why'd she care so much? Clearly a lesbian crush MC was too oblivious to recognize.
>>3905I've seen one who I believe is some sort of twitter eceleb, but his take was that he thought women were creating pornography of him in particular when they looked at him being gay in public. Dude that's not being a fujo, that's being a bit of a freak in your head. As creepy as it is for someone irl to sexualize you mentally when you're right there in person, that's not a normal thing for any fandom subculture. It's okay to be uncomfortable with socially inept perverts who blurt inappropriate things to you personally, but they have nothing to do with what I'm reading on my phone in private.
No.3911
>>3908Again it's fallen out of favor, but to play devils advocate I think if you are a fujo writing bashing fics about canon love interests you are going to be writing exclusively about women. Whereas someone arguing say which girl wins MC you are writing a bashing fic, but you still like one of the female leads so they can't pull the misogynist card.
And I mean, speaking from experience some of us are. I hated female characters of all types for the longest time especially back in middle school. Now I look back and see how immature and embarrassing I was but while I might not actively hate female characters any more if there isn't a male character in the show I'm still not interested.
No.3912
>>3911Don't be too hard on yourself, the characters just didn't resonate with you and it makes sense considering we're constantly overloaded with hyperfeminine and sexualized imagery from a young age.
No.3916
>>3911It's still misogynistic to derive enjoyment from shallow pickmes or sexualized female characters.
For example a woman who enjoys hentai or ecchi anime for instance, isn't inherently better.
Yumes also just like blank slates characters, they hate the character if it has any nuances of personality that isn't theirs.
>>3913Great game
No.3920
My twitter algorithm recs have been promoting posts of people dunking on a anti-fujoshi carrd that's been going around.
https://fetishizing-mlm.carrd.co/ I think pic related is my favourite part.
No.3921
>>3920I wish these people had real problems.
No.3922
>>3920As it should be, is the author of this a women? I can't imagine a real gay guy using hello kitty as their symbol of choice.
It's funny too, the only gay guy I know due to our shared intererst of mature men sends me yaoi recs all the time and considers himself a bit of a fundanshi due to liking the shipping/romantic angle a lot of the works have even if the guys don't appeal to him.
They really are more complementary than opposing and I doubt whoever made this actually cares about bara or any actual male-focused works.
No.3924
>>3920>she deactivated her TwitterThat's disappointing
No.3925
>>3923i'll do whatever i want tiffy
No.3929
>>3922>and I doubt whoever made this actually cares about bara or any actual male-focused works.pretty much this. These xe/xem from Florida would vomit at your average incest doujin made by gay men for gay men.
No.3930
>>3923Is she gonna stop me from fantasizing about males I know irl having butt sex? No.
No.3931
>>3920>fetishizing kpopHaha.
>using the term "fujoshi" is fetishizing menHuh.
No.3932
>>3920>no mlm smutTFW I have to scrap my Ponzi x Madoff rpf time travel fanfic
In all seriousness, ever since I started college and took an accounting class, I have a hard time reading mlm as anything but multi-level-marketing and even just looking up 'mlm,' it goes straight to multi-level-marketing. It just really struck me that the people that use mlm to mean yaoi/slash/gay relationship are either literal children or (wo)manbabies.
No.3933
>>3920this carrd is the best thing that could've happened to this thread honestly, what a goldmine
No.3934
>>3932Ok, but imagine a yaoi with the premise that a tupperware or similar MLM salesman keeps conning a man because he has a crush on him and can't say no to buying all the pyramid scemes the guy is involved with.
No.3940
>>3934yo I love this! I'm really into characters doing stupid, self-destructive shit out of love, and if the salesman is a pathetic piece of shit in his own right (maybe one of those "alpha", hustle culture bros but really just a manipulative, broke, pathetic manbaby), that would be all the sweeter. I need this now lol
No.3942
>>3923why always hello kitty or other childhood nostalgia things, poor hello kitty leave her alone.
No.3943
>>3922That's what I thought. It's probably a bait carrd or made by a trans guy, they like to harass fujoshis to feel as a way of self approval of their gay male self.
True men hate fujoshis because they hate woman, you'll only see trans guys complaining about being sexualized because they really want to believe fujoshis actually care about them.
No.3945
>>3944I think she meant the fujo wants to go along on a date between 2 guys as a third wheel and just watch them. Anyway, it looks to be written by a middle schooler, let's not expect any strong logic here…
No.3946
>>3944You can tell what kind of person wrote this kek. That "no ones fetishizing factkinners with neopronouns" image never fails.
No.3947
>>3944shaking in my boots at this multilevel marketer who probably can't even order food without having a panic attack
No.3948
I don't use /rps/ but someone please tell me MarxLeninMao crackship exists so art of it can be superimposed on STOP FETISHIZING MLM.
No.3949
>>3900Yeah like twenty years ago and the people were like twelve years old. It's time to move on and get a new argument.
No.3951
>>3921I wish these people were grateful of the fact they /don't/ have real problems.
>>3950it's kind of ugly, but…
No.3952
>>3951Nah, its good! I love the added tough of the fujochan name being colored as well.
No.3953
>>3951omg lmao this is perfect nona, we absolutely need this one
No.3955
>>3948Someone needs to draw that or write a fanfic perhaps. Would be a golden shitpost.
No.3959
>>3957Honestly don't even devote mindspace to stuff like that. It's probably high school girls being obnoxious and isn't worth the effort of responding to.
No.3960
>>3957Unironically don't engage in discourse that's not worth engaging into.
No.3998
>>3899>Noooo why fujos don't focus on female characters!I don't understand why focusing on female characters has to mean she has to fall in love. There is plenty of BL media with likable female characters with different roles in the story who just don't act as love interests. It seems so silly to whine about this when in non-bl media, female characters get sidelined or relegated to the role of LI anyways. At least in BL, the female characters can do something and exist outside of their role as a girlfriend. I've played otome games where the protagonist has the personality of a cardboard cutout, and basically acts as the boys' therapist and personal chef; is that really any better?
>>3902>"why don't fujos like bland self-insert FLs breasting boobily"Speaking of otome games, have you seen the MC's design in the newly-translated Lunar Maiden, Riverside Angel, and the Godlike Moment VN? Very relevant to the point you made, I think.
No.3999
>>3998>At least in BL, the female characters can do something and exist outside of their role as a girlfriendI end up liking a lot of the girls in danmei because when they show up I know they aren't a threat to the endgame ship. It's fun to enjoy a cute het or GL sideship sometimes.
No.4000
>>3999Normally I don't like female characters much (too yaoi brained I guess) but I liked a girl in a taiwanese BL series and it's for the reason you said, she was clearly not a competition or obstacle for the main slash ship. Then she got her own man (who was not a contender for another BL ship) in a side plot and that was surprisingly fun too.
No.4001
>>89>>3998>otome games where the protagonist has the personality of a cardboard cutout, and basically acts as the boys' therapist and personal chef; is that really any better?B-BU-BUT LET US YUMES/HETEROS HAVE SOMETHING. WE ARE STARVING WAH WAH WAH!!!
I will never understand this ass-tarded "We're starving for content" they talk about when otomeshit games and VNS outnumber the BL ones.
No.4111
>>4110bro who tf are these people?
No.4112
>>4111Clearly they are the cuck, the bull and Natalie
No.4113
>>4111They are from a webcomic by Humon the woman who did Scandinavia vs. The World. I think this one was about gangster? Havent actually read it.
She was quite famous on deviantart and controversial enough to be on the Bad Webcomic Wiki. Despite the tone of those posts she is actually into yaoi in some capacity, she used to draw gay Gorillaz art long before it was cool. She's more into femdom though.
No.4116
>>4111OCs by that chick who did ghetto hetalia
>>4112Is the black guy or the blonde guy the cuck?
No.4117
>>4110What is this actual retardation, congrats on being bisexual swingers but what does this have to do with yaoi at all, Natalie is a funny bitch though
No.4202
>>4201I don't have any trouble believing this, but until I see non-anonymous sources it could just as easily be a dude making up a story to make his "faction" of anime pervert look better.
I imagine men are perceived as more chill about their porn because men/AMABs normally do not give a shit about shipping, the drama from which gets a disproportionate amount of spotlight compared to dudes having melties about their waifus (which is just the background noise of fandom at this point).
>I bet that fujos can tell she was just creating soulless bl for a quick buck and gave up when fujos didn’t buy into it.If it's true then it's this. I follow a lot of talented artists because I want to learn from them and it's very easy to see the ebb and flow of FOTM yaoi on their patreon locked posts. If they were actually fujoshi they would have a history of posting about the ship. I get that an artist has to hustle but baiting shippers is obviously not as lucrative as FOTM waifus or OCs getting stuffed by mobs/FUBs.
No.4203
>>4201I can believe the original anonymous post because I've heard of some genuinely batshit insane shipping war drama going on between Genshin impact fujos. That being said anyone who's been part of anime communities before will also know that men can get batshit insane about their waifus.
No.4204
>>4201I used to try doing art for furries for the money and I could never get into it, it was all complete vapid mush and I would just keep wanting to draw my usual boys instead. The way this artist sounds is either a massive cope to justify it to themselves or someone who, like you say, never had their heart in it to begin with and was only pursuing cash. Usually if your ship comes under fire you move it somewhere quiet, you create because you're motivated to create and not because you want views and pay. In fact, the mention of being paid makes it sound like they may be serialized in some form and they mean fans of an original work. I'm not sure how many original erotic works for women actually inspire all that much activity. Do any even have room for alternate ships to occur? I'm thinking one volume long webmanga where at best there's a love rival who is rude and tries to steal the bottom only for true love to win, same thing in TL series.
What this overall tells me is that men are so sold on massive honkers that they don't care if the artist cares or has any understanding or insight into the subject matter. Women are just that good at drawing women's bodies that they'll eat it up and become braindead horny. Men are also disloyal to 2D in the worst way.
>>4203Yeah, call me the next time a fujoshi spends over $600 on a single horse rape commission just to win an internet argument over Bleach girls.
No.4205
>>4201Maybe hetshit pays more, but regardless of whether it does or not, I'm not drawing it. Fujo shit isn't about the cash for me, it's because I honestly love it. If someone stops drawing fujo shit for reasons like cash, well, everyone has to make a living I guess but honestly IDC because I need someone who's really impassioned about fujo shit like I am.
No.4206
>>4201fucking bleaque. Ill refrain from a-logging, but if this story is true nothing grinds my gears more than an artist looking to make a quick buck (similar to the furry commission pipeline) and make passionless generic yaoi sex of whatever is popular. worse so if they back out upon realizing fujos have the taste and sense to sniff out soulless coomer art and go back to their usual program of waifuslop. I like my fair share of NSFW content, but when all the artist churns out is bland pin up shots of a ship having sex (e.g. sakimichan's yaoi comics) its an insult to the hardworking fujos who create comics and content of their otp purely out of dedication and enjoyment of the series and character.
fuck these fake ass posers, id rather they all fuck off and continue scamming mindless gooners with their generic moe slop than try to dip their toes in the fujo honey pot. we need to be more defensive and aggressive towards these soulless grifters attempting to commercialize our hobby art.
No.4207
Anyone who says that men are less prone to harassment is too retarded to be taken seriously, all you need to do is look at south koreans and how they will threaten game devs with terrorism the second they feel like their waifus aren't being done to their liking.
No.4208
>>4202Yeah, I’m not saying the fujo community is perfect, my main problem is that they always point out our flaws when their communities can be terrible also. I just feel like the anonymous artist post and this one was made to put us down. I feel like most of the time when there’s harassment it’s because people don’t follow the ‘asian fujoshi rules’. People are always like ‘respect the asian fandom’ and ‘if you don’t like this thing about anime you're a tourist!’ but when it comes to respecting fujo spaces it’s always ‘god you guys are sooo annoying with your preferences!’ ‘who cares about this or that! I’ll do what I want! And if you see it and don’t like it fuck you!’. Like JPfujos made their own tags (On pixiv and twt) to separate their works from the ‘general audience’ (aka just men and yumes) so they wouldn’t have to see bl.
And men being more chill about stuff is not true at all, just look at twitter whenever a guy tries to defend themselves for liking some sort of degen shit or when some game gets censored lmao. They just try to hide it more and it’s easy because no one want to hear these guys whine.
>>4203Genshin males are also terrible. They get really violently mad when a male character has chemistry with a female character (I’ve seen males hate Albedo because he has non-in game interactions with Mona). I remember reading a post talking about a male chinese fan(s?) who sought out black kittens to kill because they were upset that a loli character named Nahdia was close to a male character named Scaramouche. And for people who aren’t familiar to genshin Scaramouche is pretty popular with female fans which attributes to more hate because most men hate it when women like stuff. Like where were these people when stuff like that happens? They only seem to criticize us for stupid ass fights that are mostly just puritan minors beefing over who’s holier than thou.
>>4204I’m not too sure myself since my bl preferences usually cling to shonen manga or jrpgs. It sounds like something that maybe Korean bl webtoons or Danmei can accomplish?
Lol yeah male porn sucks its souless and tacky and just becomes ‘an amazing woman who I was somehow able to make a submissive weak housewife despite being a mid guy. She’s a little tsundere and jealous, so she keeps telling me off for cheating but stays with me even though I do it right in front of her. So cute! She wants all my attention, but since I’m a male I can’t dedicate myself to just one woman. Also, we somehow have 4 daughters and will rape you again and our daughters, you’ll enjoy it.’
>>4205I agree, passion is the best for series! People act like selling out gives them more money, but if you look at any popular series they have passionate people behind it. It explains why soulless games die quickly, people can tell when something has passion.
And honestly, seeing how well something like Nu:Carni is doing sparks some hope in me for more BL stuff to come out.
No.4209
>>4204I didn't see this when I first replied. $600 for what????? Imagine carrying a baby boy for months only for him to grow up and waste money on shit like that. I feel for these guy's parents and siblings.
>>4206Right? I find it funny that men pride themselves in being the most generic, boring motherfuckers out there. I wonder if they'll have anything to fondly remember when they reminisce on the past series they like. I doubt they have nothing to remember; It's all souless half naked women with no real feeling behind it.
I don't know about you but my fujo senses have literally saved me so much time. I can tell how good the story of a game or series will be by one trailer.
I didn't know sakimi made souless yaoi before. Another reason to hate that uninspiring bitch.
>>4207Oh god, you just reminded me of the whole terrible project moon fiasco. And the mihoyo hot air balloon shit. Korean incels are the weakest link man.
No.4210
>>4201Men are genuinely so soulless they're the ones responsible for 90% of the AI garbage infestation. As long as they just see tits and vagina stuck on something they'll just consume it. You don't even need to draw, you could just generate the most soulless AIslop ever made at the expense of your dignity and a man will pay for it.
Also, like every other anon has said, she just really sounds like a pickme.
No.4212
>>4211I understand faceless self-insert ones, but why would yumes want a "well written" otome protagonist? It's no different from getting ntr'd by a male character, the woman isn't you either.
No.4214
>>4201holy lol also what kind of woman receives dick pics from random men and says
>it's okay ahah! le silly men are so sillySome people would think it's arguably worse than some empty words on the internet, ESPECIALLY since dick pics usually mean the guys are obsessed with you or are at best interested in you.
No.4215
>>4211Dude just read eroge, it's not hard to find a good vn eroge, I played Grisaia and Majikoi and I enjoyed them a lot.
No.4216
>>4201>And the artist preferred it because she claimed there were ‘supportive messages’ fucking pick me bitch.If anything she was most likely not into BL at all, got rightfully clocked as a grifter by actual fujoshi, received just a few empty death threats online sent by skinny nerdy girls who can't even order in fast food restaurants withut stuttering and started whining online. Hence the thread. Because usually Japanese fujoshi who actually get sick of fandoms just nuke all their art or fics, or even their whole social media/pixiv accounts and just keep a private account for their close friends. Many big fans in Japan who sell a shit ton of BL doujinshi and eventually stop just create their own official BL manga or try to make mainstream stories that aren't porn at all btw so that's why I call that girl a grifter.
No.4217
>>4212>It's no different from getting ntr'd by a male character, the woman isn't you either.Some people can self-insert in an established character as long as the character is relatable enough and not too retarded, so maybe that's what the anon meant?
>>4216Forgot to add, but I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who made this thread on twitter were usually the type to talk about how gatekeeping is the right thing to do to "protect" your favorite series from newfags who demand dumb shit from the writers. Because a grifter drawing BL just for money and trying to sell it to actual passionate fan needs to be gatekept imo (not with death threats obviously, in general I mean) but male nerds are hypocritical like that. I don't feel like checking his twitter account though, it seems cancerous enough already.
No.4218
>>4211Is the otome scene really that dead or is anon just being melodramatic?
No.4219
>>4217>I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who made this thread on twitter were usually the type to talk about how gatekeeping is the right thing to do to "protect" your favorite series from newfagsActually they're the opposite, a troon localizer more obsessed with waifus. I don't follow them, but I get them on my feed once in a while. Last time I saw them they pissed off gooners by trying to troon-a-fiy some waifu.
>>4218I don't know but I've seen some otome fans doomposting about how the quality of their localizations are going down again. I wouldn't be surprised because otomes are soulless and boring vns with similar art styles. You'd think at this point companies would realize that women like playing games and not just reading all the time. Though, I've noticed companies like using women as a stepping stone and sell them trash before completely abandoning them for the mainstream.
No.4221
>>4217>>4201There isn't anything really mysoginstic about this tweet or thread other than these people making blanket statements that should be targeted specifically at a certain group instead of just "wahmen". Shipfags(who are undoubtedly probably 90% or more women since moids tend to be self-inserters, that's probably where the 'women' accusation comes from) are extremely autistic and tend to be religiously vigilant about their ships. That's why nobody likes them. Everyone else just picks up what they like and avoids what they don't like. You usually don't hear anyone else going on a sperg meltdown about how problematic something is, or how "totes canon guiz!!11" their favorite ship is and if you don't agree then you are some sort of -ist or -phobe. Gooners are bad, but the drama involving them (well, outside of waifufags which may as well be considered another type of shipfag) isn't quite as big since most of the time they are literally just coonsooming material that appeals to them instead of attacking material that doesn't. You must understand too that moids in large are more porn addicted than women are so they tend to be the ones purchasing the most ero-content outside of things like books probably. Women on the other hand probably buy the most non-goon merchandise. That's why this artist most likely made the switch. But yes, I do agree with you on her doing a quick switch and never actually being a dedicated BL fan.
>And the artist preferred it because she claimed there were ‘supportive messages’ fucking pick me bitch.I think everyone would rather want dick picks than death messages.
No.4222
>>4219>a troon localizer more obsessed with waifus>more obsessed with waifusYeah so two cheeks of the same ass. I can already imagine what he looks like, this kind of guys tends to have the exact same arguments and thought process as the ones I was thinking about tbh. Amazing that a piece of shit straight moid who skinwalks real female nerds would try to make said female nerds look worse than him. It must be jealousy.
No.4223
>>4221>I think everyone would rather want dick picks than death messages.Depends. If I were a Japanese artist and kept receiving dick pics from fans who actually meet me irl during Comiket and other events to buy my doujinshi I'd feel a lot more threatened than if I received empty death threats from skinny fujoshi I could just slap away from me or fatass fujoshi I could easily outrun if they tried to start shit with me. It all depends on who is sending what basically. I say this because some Chinese speaking female cosplayer got assaulted in Comiket just a few days ago by a male stalker (can't even call this pig a fan) who has been stalking her for years and the police didn't do shit because the cosplayer isn't Japanese. There are posts about it on twitter, I don't have any names but she was cosplaying Asuka from NGE when the stalker attacked her in front of everyone. Keep in mind that the artist we're talking about could easily have a "fan" like this without knowing it, I really hope that's not the case though.
No.4224
>>4223I hadn't taken this into consideration but you make a very valid point.
No.4225
>>4223I didn't even take that into account, that's another reason she said this anonymously. My first thought was she was trying to hide from fujos who can fact correct her… If she said this on her account, it might out her as a female and she'd get more and rape threats on top. Is catering to these guys really worth it?
I know what you're referring to. If you're interested, look into Keekihime. She's been stalked since she was 16 and sadly even assaulted by this guy at that age. The only reason people care about her now is because she's a hololive streamer. Funny, that's what it took for gooners to care. I also heard some guy was selling her assault pics as patreon tiers.
No.4226
>>4225>Selling pictures of assault as patron tiersGenuinely what the fuck is wrong with moids
No.4228
>>4227This honestly sounds like it's written by a moid.
Also, if you want to read about womanbeaters and rapists you could just read that subset of western erotica on wattpad that is nothing but that.
Or better yet, get an irl boyfriend lmao
No.4230
>>4227Wtf are they smoking? Doesn't most R-18 het stuff pander to masos? Are they just mad that Diabolik Lovers doesn't have sex scenes? Even so there should be plenty of maledom yandere stuff to keep them fed.
No.4231
>>4228Nah there are tons of weeb/fandom-aligned women who simply don't have the yaoi brainworm but crave the same kind of vibe a lot of BL/fandom works have. For whatever reason they can't feed themselves and don't want to pick up a bodice ripper or, like you said, crack open wattpad or the "x reader" tag on Ao3. This population would probably enjoy the uptick in Draco/Hermione fanfics and if I knew where this post was I'd tell them to check it out.
No.4232
>>4231>Hermione/DracoI think this might be worse than literally every possible slash pairing for him. Imagine shipping Draco with Hermione when Harry, Neville, Ron, Snape, hell I'd even read Draco/Dumbledore before Draco/Hermione.
F/M-fags have awful taste as usual.
No.4234
>>4211It’s just a grass is greener on the other side situation
Personally I just play whatever looks interesting to me (BL is my main thing but I also play otome and male targeted eroge/general galge)
With that being said though I do get a bit jealous of hardcore otome fans since they get so many more games translated and have pretty much multiple releases per year, also I think otome games generally having higher quality art (though it’s a bit repetitive looking).
No.4235
>>4232>F/M-fags have awful taste as usual.So true. For the curious: it had a fic of similar popularity to All The Young Dudes (which caused that big Sirius/Lupin bump a few years ago) so now all the non-yaoi brainworm zoomers are getting into it (as shown in the last Ao3 Ship Stats post). It's probably gonna get the 50 Shades treatment.
No.4238
>>4227Why should a fujo read otome? Do they know what fujos are? I don't read gay shit because I get triggered if 2D women get beaten up I read it because I am not attracted to women and especially not bland self-insert wallflowers. What's so hard to get about this?
Hell I don't want male characters I am into or like for whatever reason to die, but I prefer stories where they could die since it makes shit more exciting (excitement = good) and the peaceful scenes more rewarding if the rest of the setting is a hell hole. It has zero to do with gender politics or women. I will never touch otome shit no matter how women are treated in it because it bores the shit out of me.
No.4239
>>247>Has no idea what a toxic relationship isLol okay, they have lost all credibility on the subject. Fujoshis know exactly what a toxic relationship is, that's why a lot of them ship what they do, it's the spice to the ship most of the time.
No.4250
Sorry for the drunk rant but something about this struck a nerve
>>4227>you can't feel uncomfortable with women being abused in fiction it's fiction!!I'm all for pointing out shit's fiction but these people have no awareness. The way badly written fem MCs behave is infuriating to begin with, but the proximity to real life is something no one in their right mind can overlook and it's perfectly understandable if that bothers people. We've all met guys with creepy vibes we don't need to relive those and find out where they go. More importantly in a toxic scenario male protagonists have more fight in them and don't revert to helpless baby bird face, they have a chance of achieving more when they rebel too, and if they die horrifically in the process it's a fairer consequence of the risks they took. Female characters never get that same vitality or control over their situation in abuse plots, they get beaten flat into crying doormats and at best give the man a "fiery look in her eyes". That's no fun that's just sad.
I don't know what they consider real challenges or flaws, but I've always felt uneasy with otome protags being powerless and surrounded by a cast who typically all possess more than her in physical and supernatural strength. To me it's like the protag is absolutely riddled with flaws and only succeeds in the story because the narrative decided her words emotionally affected a man to act on her behalf. Protags like that are alienating to me, I tolerate them better in adaptations than games. "But she alone possesses the super special unique trait Mcprayer power with future sight!" Yeah and she'll still be disrespected and pigeonholed into a character type I cannot stand because she's female. Yume milf doujins do so much better of a job than this.
This isn't saying there aren't pathetic helpless uke out there, just that guys get more variety in writing and I'm sick of pciking up josei smut and finding the cute guy is a lying douchebag who tricked the girl into sex with him but oh no she likes him better than the rival guy who tried to rape her in the girls toilets. No matter the premise het romance authors always return their female characters to losing control and getting absolutely shit on and told to enjoy it. Lemme shit on the dude back and don't lock it behind a hidden true route.
No.4251
>>4250I get the frustration but I think female centered romance and yaoi are two different things even if both are works by women for women.
Yaoi is watching two men get it off and has either a voyeuristic quality in pornographic works or a narrative appeal on non-pornographic works. You sre not a man, so while you may be getting sexual gratification from it most people aren't directly inserting as the uke. Its like watching a movie.
Het works for women almost always have a self insert quality even if the work is using established characters. The woman doesn't have much agency because you the reader/player/ect are supposed to project yourself onto the MC. The loss of control is such a big thing imo because most people playing the games want to be seduced and have acts done to them merely for existing. Especially factoring in that the most likely demographic to be playing will be single.
Personally while het works don't appeal to me I can't find them upsetting because they are someones fantasy and I find them harmless even if the rapey boys can be better used to fuck another possible suitor.
Pic rel is one of the worst cases btw, Peter White from Heart no Kuni Alice, this bastard was unfortunately stuck making the plot start and kidnaps MC so she can be isekaied to Wonderland. He loves her and wants to marry her and MC shows nothing but revulsion, he's very rapey and persist but the game treats it like slapstick He has a dumb quality too where he turns into a small cute rabbit and MC will hold him and pet him while he pervs on her. Worst part? Despite the fact that Heart no Kuni has several good yaoi ships the guy has literally no interest pairings to redeem him. Worst boy by far.
No.4252
>>4251>most people playing the games want to be seduced and have acts done to them merely for existingNot the previous anon but this is definitely one of the fundamental reasons why yume and otome stuff repels me. Especially yume stuff where it's a literal faceless selfinsert, I just have an instinctual cringe reaction to love interests, characters that people husbando, whatever, just fawning over the bland female stand-in for no reason. It always comes down to a very foregone conclusion sort of 'of course he wants me because he's a man and I have a vagina and can make babies' feeling, whereas when shipping canon characters together, even hetships, at least they have an actual personality, role in the story, and might already have some kind of relationship with the guy. With BL pairings I get more of a feeling that they're choosing each other due to genuine interest, not just unga bunga breeding instinct. (Can you guess that I hate omegaverse?)
I also think that I just get put off seeing the typical depiction of male attraction to women. Nothing drops my interest in a male character faster than seeing him behave like a typical straight bro. There are exceptions because sometimes the woman-obsessed guys can wrap back around into having homoerotic potential, but I'm thinking like, an ikemen reveals he's a lolicon, turns out to be a siscon for his imouto, abuses his female partner, expresses typical incel views, etc.
A good example is that villain x magical girl show. I watched an episode with my friend because she likes shoujo het and I thought the guy looked hot (somehow didn't see the male-targeted waifu design), and I got instantly put off as soon as the ecchibait waifu was an emotionless moeblob and the guy had no thoughts other than 'omg she's so cute and helpless' instead of doing anything actually interesting with the concept, like, you know, actual villain/hero conflict. (I'm still surprised it was written by a woman)
No.4253
>>4251After sleeping I realized what I really should have expressed was that my autism makes it hard for me to just self insert on a character and focus solely on the dude. I treat the protagonist like other characters, with empathy that makes me concerned for them in moments of peril. So when a guy corners her and starts being dodgy I'm on edge like it's a conflict scene the MC has to survive, and when guys are rude to her I'm not seeing it as masochist funtimes just an element of the story where a character is hostile to another so it takes more hoops to ship. I definitely don't feel as wound up when it's a guy though, because like you say there's a degree of separation and I don't project my perception of a woman's weakness onto him. I expect him to have more autonomy.
What's been pissing me off lately is the josei smut I mentioned, where the MC will appear to have a distinct personality and question the male love interest's bad behavior for gags, but they'll still ruin a perfectly good boy by making him do crazy shit you could go to the police about and she'll never be able to actually talk it through with him and get a real apology. BL is so much more cathartic because the classic hurt/comfort narrative will make the wronged half take it the fuck out on the other, yell at him, walk out on him and ghost his mails, punch him, literally anything to make it known he's hurt and it's not okay. It unironically better respects how a female audience feels about that behavior in a relationship, and acknowledging it fully also allows the fuckier stories to drench the character in more misery because they take it seriously.
I've known someone who had that rabbit guy as their pfp and I had no fucking idea he was like that, holy shit. That's exactly the kind of thing that I hated in certain BL as a teen, and it's so cringeworthy to see it continue happening in het material in the year of our lord 2000+24. If he wasn't unbearable I would suggest getting a humiliation ship dynamic out of him, he's got the glasses and he's very forward sounding, so having a guy overpower him and be forward against his will would be good table turning.
I'm glad BL makes it easier to find more variety in dynamics and tone, I just keep thinking I should be able to enjoy het stuff too since I enjoy some shounen romances etc. Having an entire industry of romantic content aimed at women and being disinterested or annoyed by it as a woman makes me feel like a weirdo, especially with how other women talk about it, so it's nice having a place like this where other people also feel it's not ticking boxes. I don't feel as much of a hypocrite.
No.4254
>>4252Yeah the walking vagina thing feels insulting really because the plot reasons given often feel very transparent. I don't want to be more judgemental of girls, but wow my interest in "harem of dudes interested in one person who's barely done shit" flips 180 when the person is a man. See: every isekai/reincarnation story where a male protag accidentally catches the interest of a gang of super powerful swordsmen and dragon wizards and super thieves. I always read something far more precious and entertaining in the protag's behavior and how he's drawn people's attention unintentionally, and I can count on one hand how many times I've experienced that with a female protag. Otome isekai has been making that better, but you know how much those plots begin to drag and shit themselves a while in. The meta parody nature of otome isekai means they naturally make the protag more of a character and to keep twists coming they invent far more active relationship dynamics (and female cast members) than a single game route.
You're right that it's so much about agency and flavor. We ship so we want both sides to bring something to our imaginations. If I'm missing one side, especially the female one, I feel like I'm doing a bad job characterizing them even if they were bland to begin with. It feels dishonest?
I'm not so bad with guys who show an active interest in women, some playboy characters are great and it's fun making them take a dick, but that dynamic you describe sounds like it'd put me off too. There's better ways to write anything and nonreactive eye candy girls walk a thin line between many kinds of nah.
Sorry I've made this into a whole thing but thanks for letting me rant on it. m(；_ _||)m
No.4256
>>4255Why is there so much going on in the first picture? 75% of it is about fujoshis and then there's shit about BLM and misandry. At least stick to one type of person you're trying to caricaturize.
No.4257
>>4256NTA but yeah, it seems like the person who made the first image had someone specific in mind/had a bone to pick with someone because they also mention someone judging their song choices kekk. It sounds like someone pissed them off who happened to be a fujo.
No.4258
>>4252Another one of those posts I had to read a few sentences of till I realised that it's not one of mine kek
As you can imagine I think exactly like you. Especially agreeing with
>It always comes down to a very foregone conclusion sort of 'of course he wants me because he's a man and I have a vagina and can make babies' feeling>I just get put off seeing the typical depiction of male attraction to women. Nothing drops my interest in a male character faster than seeing him behave like a typical straight broThis. First is why I avoid otome and otome adjacent stuff like the plague, second is why I avoid live action romances like the plague. Though you also get those straight bros in anime too but they seem to be rarer. I love masculine characters, but I don't want them to act like generics in real life or unfunny dudebros. Most characters from series that aren't bad are written rather idealistically. Even if they're evil they have a strong sense of pride and have standards or they are funny. Fictional characters in general are very different (and more likeable) than the majority of real people IMO.
No.4259
>>4255Kek the first and third pic is like fujoshi bingo
minus the random blm stuff. No.4262
>>4260>the ramblings of a schizoBut in all seriousness, I really hope this was written by someone under 18, because I can’t imagine a rational adult putting this much time and energy into something they hate that also doesn’t even take itself seriously
No.4264
>>4260This sounds like the boku no pico copypasta except the YOOOOOOOOOOOOO are replaced with BRO, but not as funny
No.4360
>>4201I'm still debating if this artist was really attacked by other fujos and not men because it's a very malecoded modus operandi to send death threats and harassment to someone drawing BL, IME Japanese fujos stay in their lane and block literally everyone who ships their NOTP so they don't get into as many fights. The "I get paid more now too lol!" shit is some locus artist kind of behavior too, I really have to wonder what the actual story behind this person is or if it's even TRUE because it's just an anonymous post on hatelabo with no details besides "fujos were mean to me and now I make a bank drawing porn for men tee hee". Here's the original post if anyone wants to take a look.
https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20221115122340I mean fujos do have some crazy drama about ship wars, but so do everyone else. Yurifags send death threats to people who ship their lesbian OTPs with male characters, hetfags can be openly homophobic about same sex ships and yumes and waifufags go to war seeing their waifu/husbando be shipped with someone else. People just love dunking on fujos at any given chance and generalize every single drama they have to be the norm of the community while one of their own are screeching uncontrollably at a ship they don't like. And no matter how many fandom slapfights there are, fujos never come close to the absolute psychopathy of male coomer otakus.
No.4364
>>4360>because it's a very malecoded modus operandi to send death threats and harassment to someone drawing BLYou need to hang out with more women.
No.4365
>>4360Women sending each other death threats and anon hate isn't too surprising, Japanese fandoms seem pretty similar to fandom autism you could observe on tumblr circa 2012. But I agree with you, when she says that she's happy she switched to het doujinshi because it pays more it feels like she wasn't a fujoshi in the first place. Because most fujoshi who draw fanarts or whole fancomics do it because of their passion for their favorite male character or OTP and not for a profit. Profit is more of a bonus and when you check how much some doujinshi cost during events compared to the number of pages and the free goodies offered to almost all the buyers on a first come first serve basis, I doubt most of these artists can make a profit in the first place. If you see crazy expensive doujinshi from big name fans it's because they get only get expensive in second hand stores so it's bookstores that profit from them, not the artists. Some of them even make 30 or 40 pages doujinshi just to post them on pixiv or poipiku for free, and I'm supposed to believe a fujoshi who's already dedicated enough to draw and sell doujinshi of hot men fucking each other for fun would then force herself to learn how to draw ugly men for money? No way.
No.4366
>>4360you wouldn't last 5 minutes in china
No.4471
I neither like Sasaki and Miyano enough to follow it nor do I live in the US but shit like this makes me mad. I wonder if they will ban yuri too (they probably won't).
https://twitter.com/shoujocrave/status/1830788413869494760The best is that they claim to ban it because it "promotes sexuality" among kids but recommend CSM as good alternative of all fucking things.
People are so fucking brain dead. Like I already hate how fujos are always seen as sex obsessed because we're pairing two characters up that are usually already canonically close but it's still seen as promiscuous for some reason, but not the self-insert shipping that every damn otaku does with his three seasonal waifus. Statistically fujos are way more loyal than the generic male anime lover. This is why our favorites get thousands of artworks even if they're mere side characters but the waifu of the show doesn't (AI slop doesn't count).
No.4472
>>4471Promoting Chainsawman and Seven Deadly Sins over Sasaki and Miyano is wild, if the problem is sexualization then how are series like Seven Deadly Sins where big boobily women get groped and there's huge age gap relationships okay?
It just feels like jerking off a win at that point.
I get that having bl can be a problem in middle schools, I remember back in my school days the school librarian would complain about middle school girls trying to trick him into getting hardcore bl, but he treated it the same way he'd treat boys trying to trick him into getting ecchi manga and would just tell them to knock it off and do their homework. Not ban the books entirely and make it a political issue.
No.4473
>>4472>the school librarian would complain about middle school girls trying to trick him into getting hardcore blwhy tf didn't i go to your school anona, those girls sound based
No.4475
>>4471I haven't read it myself but iirc sasaki to miyano isn't even sexual is it? It's literal super sweet wholesome shoujo manga tier, it's not promoting anything inappropriate to children. Homophobes gonna homophobe I guess.
No.4476
>>4471It doesn't matter to them, as long as there's no homosexuality then it's okay because it's "safe" for children.
No.4477
>>4476Which is hilarious considering CSM has that lesbian orgy spread.
No.4478
>>4477The second they figure that out, I guarantee they'll ban it as well.
No.4482
>>4475Judging from the parts that have been adapted into anime, it's literally the tamest BL I've ever watched. I remember seeing discussion on twitter about how antis are being especially pointless in their moral crusade because conservatives would even find the tamest of BL content obscene and there you have it. A perfect example.
No.4483
>>4471>Ban Sasaki and Miyano because it's "promoting sexual content to children">Replace it with Chainsaw manLook, this is exactly why farmbrand homophobes who sperg about how "muh IRL faggots and wokeys ruining everything I just read BL to shlick to hawt men kekkk!!!" have no idea what they're contributing to. Who would've guessed that real life attitudes towards homosexuality would affect comics depicting homosexuality? Conservative retards aren't going to differentiate between actual LGBT media and BL or even your yaoi smut doujinshi, much less because BL is a genre for women that isn't about female characters upholding traditional values. Homosexuality being seen as a perversion causes situations like this where good faith coomer slop like Chainsaw man with tons of body horror and violence is seen as appropriate for a school library to carry but a wholesome shoujo manga about a romance between two boys is deemed explicit. It's simply unreal how much this pisses me off.
No.4484
>>4483This topic is way bigger than fandom, there are countries that censor cartoons or movies for showing same sex couples.
Plus, when it comes to children, you have to be on a super extra thin line, which is why transgender content aimed at children also irks a lot of people.
No.4501
>>4483I genuinely wonder if homophobia can exist without misogyny. It seems to be two parts of the same coin to me.
Women are seen as status symbol and trophy that you have to win and own to be worth something so seeing two men fucking and being happy without it is considered a massive provocation by these people. I have honestly never met homophobic women without internalized misogyny either. It's almost always coming from trad housewives or those that dream of becoming some that seethe about gays and lesbians playing by their own rules instead of making children.
I don't buy the "natural disgust" bullshit because first of all, why would you even imagine a sexual act in detail if you hate it? Secondly, the same people are never disgusted about hetero pairings, even if they call one or both of them "ugly as shit", "fat" or "old" or all of that. You won't seen them wanting to ban marriages with ugly people or anything. There also seems to be a suspiciously high amount of male pedos among gay/lesbian haters or at least men that prefer women who are younger than 25 even if the guys themselves are already 50.
No.4502
>>4501>I don't buy the "natural disgust" bullshit because first of all, why would you even imagine a sexual act in detail if you hate it?I often imagine myself licking shit off the sidewalk, picking up dog shit, sniffing homeless men, etc. This isn't a good argument. People's brains just fire off sometimes. I don't WANT to imagine what the inside of an elephant's asshole smells like, but I will. Thanks, brain.
Anyway, homophobe here. I just think gay men are annoying and bossy. Lesbians are okay, but I've been assaulted by one before so I'm a little nervous around them.
No.4504
>>4501A lot of homophobia is downstream from misogyny but it'd still exist without the latter. Things like "being a bottom is gross but topping is fine" is more influenced by misogyny than say, people having objections towards gays because they can't reproduce. Plus there's always going to be people with beliefs in male/female biological complementary or thinking normalizing gay relationships leads to pedophilia.
No.4508
>>4471If you listen to the hearing on this, the lady says something like "this book is backwards I don't know what that teaches the kids, here in America we read our books left to right, bottom to top, not the wrong way around." Absolute xenophobia.
No.4509
>this book is backwards I don't know what that teaches the kids
Lmao fucking Florida
No.4513
>>4512Truly the ramblings of a schizo. Its funny how he
(god knows this is probably an incel, malding about the fact that the fujo he had a crush on in middle school thought he was ugly) didn’t actually answer the person he quoted and instead sperged his retarded philosophy. As if the lesbian porn moids get off to is actually representative of real lesbians.
No.4514
>>4512Fella can't even form a coherent thought he seethes so much lmao
>fujoshi are bad because they like feminine men with heterosexual hierarchy and dom/sub
>actual gay men are degenerate,spread aids monkeypox etcSo…what he is arguing for?? kek
What an absolute retard, room temperature IQ, together with all the people who thought this word vomit was a good post
No.4515
>>4512It's really not that hard to find retard gay grindr shit in bl and it's really not that hard to find the more muscle type, shounen is popular for a reason.
People will never get over it no longer being 2009.
No.4516
>>4512Man, this guy must absolutely hate himself.
No.4518
>>4512How come I never see the reverse argument of "men will never like yuri by real lesbians" but it's always about how women aren't liking what gay men do?
No.4519
>>4518Because everybody who says that hates women. They literally dont care about the actual topic.
No.4520
>>4518I do but only on female imageboards.
I actually don't think that guy is totally wrong in that most fujos don't like bara but he's such a faggot in assuming most fujos don't like mature men. There is a fujo crowd for evey series and stuff like Yakuza for instance has a huge fujo fanbase with no high school aged characters.
No.4521
>>4512This sounds like 90% of the fujospergs on Lolcow, glad to know they're all kiwifags just like everyone predicted.
No.4522
>>4512What the fuck did a fujo do to give birth to this literal schizoid?
No.4523
>>4522She rejected him and told him he's ugly and will never be as interesting as her yaoi boys.
No.4524
>>4512Idk but to me this reads more like a self-hating TIF rather than an actual male. I've seen a lot of arguments like this on TikTok under "stop reading yaoi REEEE" videos and it's always literal children and tiffies complaining about it
No.4525
>>4523Honestly, I wouldn't wager it as the case. Guy's so mental that there's women who don't revolve their lives around his mediocre dick and gets assmad over it. Fujoshi didn't come about from a woman's tongue but a man's after all.
No.4526
>>4512But I like muscular ikemen getting groped by other muscular men.
>>4513Someone I knew (formerly chill but eventually turning into a self-pitying incel as he grew older) was seething about me liking 2D dudes lmao. One time he was so mad he made a 4chan seethe thread in which he bitched about me and others being superficial assholes that only like perfect adonis men and don't consider real ones good enough (he was fat btw) because he expected 4chan to agree. But they only made fun of him for being jealous of 2D characters and being retarded.
Hell now that I said this I DO wonder how many of the male fujo haters are actually seething about us because of our alleged standards on men. I might be wrong, but yumes are almost always married (often with kids) in my experience, whereas fujos are often singles, asexual, lesbians or at best living with a male friend with benefits but without the commitment like marriage and kids. I wonder if the fact that fujos seem unreachable and (worse) that they are into super pretty or super capable and cool men as well as the fact that they rather see them fuck than getting fucked by them is making loser otaku feel more insecure.
No.4527
>>4526Idk. In my experience, the insecure otaku won't touch a series that has male characters in it with a ten-foot pole since any man at all will make them feel weak and inadequate. They'll watch self-insert isekai at best, any other male depictions literally trigger them, so the overlap of these kinds with fujo spaces is extremely tiny. Male fans of stuff like mainstream shonen who actually have chances to interact with fujoshi are usually at most mildly annoyed or go "eww gays", the ones with seething hatred of women and insecure masculinity have self-segregated from us as a byproduct of their mental illness.
No.4528
>>4524I thought that too, but I think it’s a man because of the whole std and aids thing at the end. I’ve personally never heard a tif whine about that not being included in bl
No.4530
>>4520>women don't like roided muscular dudesIt's not just fujos, it's women that don't like that type of man in general.
It's like these people just have discovered women have a different taste than men kek.
They hyperfocus on politicizing what women do, meanwhile men can like monster loli vore and no raging seething post like that ever happens.
Why the focus on women you ask? because they are misogynistic, period.
No.4531
>>4512Because most bara is shit, barafags have to project there muscle inflation fetish on everyone else and shriek about how if you dont like giant roided men with massive huge bitch tits youre homophobic, at least when female artists draw masculine characters they look proportional, when men do it usually looks like hyper-inflated coomer shit. It is very rare that I find bara art appealing. Fags wont even read yaoi if it has masculine characters, anything that isnt hyper-muscle inflation is apparently too feminine for them. It seems these types of people cant recognize that yaoi isnt SUPPOSED to be realistic. It is 2D characters removed from this 3DPD world, and ironically they look more like real men then gay mens "REPRENSOYTATION" that is just hyper-inflated unproportionjal garbage.
No.4532
>>4526>whereas fujos are often singles, asexual, lesbians or at best living with a male friend with benefits but without the commitment like marriage and kidsAgain with this bs… No, most fujoshi are by far straight or bi, so they're technically not "unreachable" for men. The "asexual" or lesbian ones keep being mentioned just because it's surprising they're into BL for some people but they're more of a vocal minority.
No.4533
>>4512I find it funny that people use "characters in BL dont look like REAL men! Theyre too feminine!" as a gotcha as if old creepy gay men arent obsessed with skinny androgynous boys.
No.4534
>>4512Thanks for reminding me why I should never set foot in that place again.
>>4533From what I remember there was a point in time when the most popular gay porn star was a guy who looks like the IRL equivalent of a legal shota. Don't remember his name, though.
No.4537
>>4531Neither bl or bara guys look like men, but if I had to choose one, bl. Barashit is fucking gross and I'll never understand what's so empowering about hyper-buff men fucking each in the ass until one of them gets pregnant with cum. I'd like my androgynous to normal men, thank you.
>>4533Isn't twink death such a huge deal in the gay community? One might argue the gays are more anal over out-there men than actual fujos. The most idealized a bl guy can be is their empathy and attunement to his inner world. 3d men lack the capacity to feel nor really internalize their struggles without making it others fault, which gay men love to use when faced with the biting reality that they're the problem. Fujos aren't raping men or glomping them en-masse. It's they who often do it out of sick need for power and lust. Women know their lane while men do not.
No.4539
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FD0hL_ujXqk&pp=ygURQmwgZ2VucmUgYW5hbHlzaXM%3D Would like to know your thoughts on this video. For context the creator is a gay furfa g who thinks BL isn't "accurate representation" and that bara portrays "REAL gay bodies" as if most gays aren't emaciated or out of shape.
No.4540
>>4539Actually like Goat but this video has always, to me, seemed a little uniformed about yaoi. I would say that bara does have more bodytypes but yaoi isn't just ikemen and bishies either.
No.4541
>>4540It seems like he watched the most famous anime adaptations and then based his whole opinion around that. He was also sperging at people in the comments that criticized him because clearly his opinion as a hecking gay man is far more valid than stinky fujos
No.4542
>>4539"Real bodies" aren't what anyone desires or cares about, the spirit of fiction will always lie in the ideal.
No.4543
>>4539>bara>real bodiesWtf is he smoking. I think bara often has even more unrealistic bodies than yaoi. Especially nowadays. Bara proportions are always super overdone. It's like proportions of hentai women but on men.
No.4544
>>4539I agree with bits of it (fixed orientation versus 'gay for you', more canon ships, depart from 'classic' tropes if they aren't narratively consequential) but always find these complaints from men specifically kind of bitchmade. If you don't like what's there you create your own stuff and share it with like-minded people online. Fujos have been doing this for generations at this point and it feels like "we" have only recently proven to our anime industry overlords that we will spend money on seasonal slop like waifufags will. Becoming a milkable demographic isn't the big snub to gay men so many of them seem to take it as.
RIP to this guy having hopes about the end of the Rebuilds though lol.
No.4545
>>4539Watched this vid years ago and have shown it to multiple people, main issue with the video is that he only brings up two shows that are firmly BL (ignoring that BL isn't even that present in anime and has a far far far wider presence in manga) and spends the majority of the video talking about Eva which like, I get that goatjesus is a big Eva fan but it's not a BL anime and some random furry anime for kids that pretty clearly also doesn't fall under BL.
Him saying Boku no Pico is BL when it's clearly meant for men alone proves that he did basically zero research.
I also think it's a little eyeroll worthy how in the comments he gets mad at people stereotyping bara while he spent the entire video acting like Kaze and dokyuusei are the only 'subversive' BL and everything else falls under junjou romantica which I really doubt he actually watched anyway.
No.4547
>>4546This is how you know they've never read barashit kek
No.4548
>>4546Why do people refuse to believe bl has evolved past the early 2000s?
Pretty sure if you grabbed a random mainstream bl from now they'd excuse it as secretly bara or some other stupid shit.
No.4549
>>4545>Twinks in baraWhat the fuck is he talking about? Admittedly I don't read bara but from what I've seen its all big musclemen, in yaoi you get a pretty diverse amount of body types, from twink to hunk, so I really don't get his complaints. Goes to show he really did not read any yaoi.
No.4552
>>4551Guys in manhwa are kinda scary kek, they've got the traditional bishounen face but then the body of a steroid addict.
I don't have it on hand but there's a meme where the jp guys are both short and tiny, the cn guys are both super tall and the kr guys are muscley but one is even more crazy muscley.
No.4553
>>4530I'm all three of these girls
No.4554
>>4542I don't get why the realism even matters, or why people are so obsessed with it. That's like criticizing Looney Tunes because Wile E. Coyote has to notice he runs off a cliff before gravity starts to work, or criticizing bodice rippers because most men don't look like Fabio. If the creator isn't aiming for realism in a work of fiction, then it doesn't really matter how realistic it is because that isn't the intention. Not to mention that anime isn't exactly the best medium for portraying real life in general. How many anime characters are super accurate representations of humans in general?
No.4555
>>4554It's exactly my point! I don't know whether the intent is to push agenda because people feel like their tastes aren't represented as much as they'd like, or low self-esteemies coping that they don't look a certain way, or what exactly is the motivation here, but it's something you see all over the place. I'm not the kind of person that would say "make something yourself if you don't like it", but there really is content for all tastes out there.
No.4556
What Did you Eat Yesterday? Is a pretty realistic male-aimed gay work thats good, though the author is a woman. My Brother's Husbando is another good one.
I don't mind sfw realisic geikomi, to call it all hyper muscle shit is just as erroneous as calling all yaoi langly, but I wish people would juat say "X doesn't appeal to me" instead of "X is objectively bad."
No.4558
>>4557this is so fucking retarded. wanna bet that this guy is some ftm tranny
No.4560
>>4544>I agree with bits of it (fixed orientation versus 'gay for you', more canon ships, depart from 'classic' tropes if they aren't narratively consequential) The only way I can see that working is if they arent portrayed like an actual fag, because that would be very unnappealing to me. Like they were saying in the thread about if men in yaoi should behave like actual gay men, the manga would just wind up being dudes hooking up on Grindr and contracting AIDs. Writing a monogamous, commited relationship is already going out of bounds of what an actual gay relationshit would be like so I say go all the way and be as unrealistic as you want.
>If you don't like what's there you create your own stuff and share it with like-minded people online.Ironically there are more male artists making stuff that would be considered yaoi (as you wouldnt look at it and call it bara) than you would think, but its all Deviantart tier fetish shit. Men just dont seem interested in telling love stories and are obsessed with cooming (I dont get the obsession when you could have both), at the end of the day for as much as they bitch they dont actually want "representation", they just want to coom. And the romance portrayed in yaoi is actually disgusting to them, they are incapable of love and only capable of cooming, hence why there are hardly any male created yaoi or plot driven bara.
No.4561
>>4560>the manga would just wind up being dudes hooking up on Grindr and contracting AIDs. Writing a monogamous, commited relationship is already going out of bounds of what an actual gay relationshit would be like so I say go all the way and be as unrealistic as you wantI'm really not a fan of the amount of homophobic posters coming in from LC as of late.
It's just edgy shit to say things like gay men are incapable of love and only exist to get aids.
No.4562
>>4561It correlates directly with the recent demands for a yume board. I can't wait for Lolcow to be back up so they can fuck off back to masturbating while sniffing their plushies.
No.4563
>>4561Nta and while I feel that nona has a point somewhere about their culture I agree with you too. I don't care either way about irl gay men and yeah they are completely different, I support their rights but that's not related to my yaoi consumption and anyone saying so is blowing smoke. Anti fujos just like to hear themselves talk tbh
No.4564
>>4561Anyone who has known a gay man will know that they will find any opportunity to interject about their latest sexual encounter, the guys theyve matched with on Grindr, what their kinks are, who theyve been with recently, and generally that they are very promiscous and obsessed with cooming. Im sure there are some gay men in happy commited relationships, but they are almost certainly a minority.
>I'm really not a fan of the amount of homophobic posters coming in from LC as of late. Im not from LC. Is it really that homophobic to say that real gay men are promiscous and it would defeat the escapist nature of yaoi to read about them?
No.4565
>>4561There's also plenty of yaoi manga where they basically hook up on grindr or twitter anyway. Just off the top of my head there was that one series about this expressionless gay guy and his love interest with massive mommy issues that hooked up with an adult on grindr while he was still in middle school.
Or that one manga about two seme hoping up after finding his gay twitter that was filled with him fucking different people.
No.4566
>>4564I know a good bunch of gay couples and never heard any of this. None of them are even using social media. Maybe if you talk about some 20 year olds but I have no ties to gen z.
Usually you only ever learn that they're gay because they casually mention that they're living together. Before that it's only guessing if you happen to see them being together a lot.
No.4568
>>4565Was writing a reply to basically say this
It's been an effective way to have chapter 1 sex without sexual assault or convoluted reasoning
No.4569
>>4557That comment about kabedon is so funny considering that I'm pretty sure the trope was popularized by shoujo manga. I personally associate it more with shoujo and otome games than BL.
>>4565>Just off the top of my head there was that one series about this expressionless gay guy and his love interest with massive mommy issues that hooked up with an adult on grindr while he was still in middle school.Are you talking about picrel or has this happened multiple times??
No.4570
>>4560This really has more to do with general moidery than just gay men, its just that they have a wider pool of partners so they can coom to their hearts desire. Personally the appeal to me is that they are NOT like real men, and I would not be happy to see a surge in "realistic" yaoi stories if Aydens get what they want.
No.4572
>>4569Yup, it was that one.
Ngl I kinda wish who was topping and who was bottoming was switched. No.4573
>>4570Available partners I mean, women are less likely to hook up with a random guy than a guy is to hook up with another guy
>>4565I think Ive read what your talking about and its personally not for me, I prefer if their sexuality is left vague or its established that theyve only had female partners, makes for better angst when they end up falling for a man.
No.4575
>>4539I'm afraid I closed it before making more than a minute in. I'm just so tired of this back and forth and the whole idea of "bara" as a defined concept from people who are no doubt referring to short porn comics on furaffinity or paheal, and then they wonder why people are always referring to well known published authors as their examples. The need to divide body types up as "this is for x and this is for y" when people have individual preferences is so unbelievably small minded. Sure, the artists who draw balloon tits and the kind of rubber dong porn I'm not into are usually men, there is a difference in how pornographic fetish material is presented. That doesn't mean I'm not into muscular or fat dudes and have spent years of my internet usage being mistaken or accused of being a gay man because "you can't possibly want this body type if you're a girl." It's a body type! Not the art style or how the character is framed or what poses.
Anyway it all comes down to people having the dumb tribal need to distance themselves from groups they believe will make them look bad. When we first started using "fujoshi" in western fandom it was to separate ourselves from "rabid yaoi fangirls" as more sophisticated, when we started using "bara" there were always comments about how liking REAL gay man comics was cooler than liking the same stuff as other girls, and men had to have better taste in gaaay. I'm sorry I just have a fetish for chubby guys that extends to bulky less-defined muscle. It's not sophisticated, it's not morally superior, it's just a preference that makes brain go woo.
And the silliest thing about all this is trying to talk about it in the realm of Japanese media and authors when almost none of us are in Japan or have immediate access to what's being published. We're blind to (or weeks behind) what trends are happening, what authors and readers are talking about in magazines, even what is on shelves that exists. Some people are wandering bookwalker and toranoana, but it's a secluded look at what's in the industry, even with rankings and categories it can be hard to get a clear picture of everything available and people's habits. We can't judge the entire genre, we haven't seen it.
No.4576
Wrote too much again.
>>4575Are the people having these arguments only considering original stories as well? Are they looking at what fujoshi do the most online? If they spent even half an hour browsing Twitter they'd see our attachments to characters from non-BL franchises are a different beast. People are persuaded to like outside their usual types by strong characters or stories (ships, we do it for ships), and the editors and production committees aren't always worrying themselves about fitting a stereotypical woman's preferences. They don't have to be written with pigeonholed types in mind like labeled BL is. For BL and geikomi, the type of character is a big part of the selling point so it'll be scrutinized and narrowed down. What people might see as "what women want" is affected by safe editorial judgements. The pro gay market is smaller, so they can trust there's less competition for readers and that the authors chose to publish geikomi because they're already readers of what's available. In the end all published material is self perpetuating characteristics they have faith in selling. We all have to look at doujinshi to understand what people really want to see fucked, and guess what, fujoshi are making porn of literal teddybears. None of these youtubers are arguing innate biological preferences in that. Their sample is fundamentally flawed in the face of dumbfuck libidos and having fun.
This has been another god knows what hour tired rant from the nona who has no idea where they were going with this. Also I like gay bar pick up stories because they still have an element of "of all the thirsty fags in the room I chose you." Some of the livestreamer thirst kink things are good for sheer horny, but you also get a lot of "he was touching himself for views but his mind was only on one person."
No.4577
>>4557Who the fuck cares if "young people" read yaoi and don't understand what consent is as a result when these books tend to have big labels somewhere on the cover that they're for adults only? The mangaka shouldn't limit themselves to avoid offending an audience they're actively avoiding in the first place. I'm not even going to say anything about the rest of both posts, we all know they're stupid and written by people who don't know BL.
No.4578
>>4560>they are incapable of love and only capable of coomingAll the gay weebs I know like yaoi because the guys are hot AND because of the romance though. And they ship guys together because of their chemistry and not just because they're hot guys.
No.4581
>>4579
I know the guys I'm talking about irl so I can confirm they're not tifs. It's not like I'm talking about your average gay normie here, only the weeb ones. Normies don't give a shit beyond liking Sailor Moon and Captain Tsubasa on TV when we were kids.
No.4582
>>4578allegedly they are actual men, and not tif, gay men do acknowledge how most of them don't really like monogamy.
The opposite of lesbians, who for the most part are monogamous.
I think it's just a difference between women and men tbh
No.4583
>>4581anime as of recently at least in my country became normie-tier, but yeah I guess nerds of every sexuality are similar
No.4584
>>4578Will back this up. My homo moids do not read yaoi, but they do enjoy slashfic when the chemistry is good.
No.4585
>>4578This. Literally every homo I know is obsessed with Genshin and shipping the guys in it, the whole "men only like bara" is seriously outdated.
No.4586
>>4582What's that thing they say about hormones, the female horny cycle is twice a month, the male horny cycle is once a day? Men are up for fucking more often.
No.4587
>>4560I don't think it's right to say they're not interested in love stories, but rather their romance tends to be devoid of eroticism beyond the suggestive, and the erotic material is almost exclusively unromantic. They're entirely separate for whatever reason.
No.4589
>>4586>twice a monthThis makes me the worlds biggest statistical outlier.
No.4590
>>4589Just keep in mind nobody fucking agrees on how women work. Everyone's hormones are just doing whatever the fuck they want and it changes at different stages in life. Some women only get horny right before or after their period when the hormones change up, some women fap for four hours every Tuesday and Thursday because that's when they have the morning off. I've had both the once a month and months long permahorny, and the latter happened when I was on the pill even. The only certainty is that men seem to consistently have a very regular horny switch, nobody talks about them having nearly as much variation in libido.
No.4591
>>4590>Just keep in mind nobody fucking agrees on how women workMost of these people are men and it's where a lot of the disinformation comes from.
>months long permahorny, and the latter happened when I was on the pill evenWere you a late bloomer by chance? That sounds reminiscent of when I hit my sexual stride.
No.4592
>>4591>these people are menAbsolutely. I've been through several gynecologists in my life and only one of them was a woman it's so male dominated. Women doctors aren't much better though, I've lost count of how many have told me that what I experience isn't their experience and just stop there. Talking on anonymous boards leads to so many people learning their normal isn't everyone else's because broader info isn't commonplace.
>were you a late bloomer by chance?No, afraid I was fooling around with pillows and shower heads before I knew what masturbation was. I have fucked hormones though that give me constant pain and trouble, thus the pill. I just think it's funny because every doctor told me that it kills your sex drive, that is the factual truth written everywhere, even though hormones are a tandem relay that differ for every body.
No.4593
Being vocally and passionately anti fujo in general is cringe, especially if they're an FTM "gay man" crying about fetishization. Why do you care if I want to see 2D men kiss, Ayydynne?
No.4594
>>4593>Why do you care if I want to see 2D men kiss, Ayydynne?Genuinely just self-hate, I imagine. If they don't cope by drawing cuntboys they'll cope by lashing out and denying what they are.
No.4595
>>4592>No, afraid I was fooling around with pillows and shower heads before I knew what masturbation wasI've tried every way I can think of using a pillow and can't find a way to get off. The pressure doesn't feel right. It makes me think that I have damaged myself over the years.
No.4617
>>4615>>4616>complains about yaoi>lists what's allegedly wrong with it>makes the things that are wrong with it happen in the very next panels>while making typhlosion and gengar (?) look like hideous men in a tumblr art styleCan't even make this shit up. If I didn't have more context from this thread I would have assumed these pages were a parody of tifs from 2012 tumblr.
No.4618
>>4616>had to look it up to check>It's both dudesIt's honestly shocking that this has the audacity to complain about anything else being heteronormative.
No.4620
Trying to even imagine ambushing someone when they get home because they have materials I don't personally enjoy.
No.4623
Two digit IQ pickme:
>b-but why don't you just make porn with a girl?? It's the same thing!
I mean, I don't think a man with his cock out that shoots cum is a girl, and why do they all want fujos, who are mostly straight women, to coom to women so much? I'm not into vaginas and tits and I don't want to self insert, sorry I guess
>t-they don't behave like real guys, ha!
And? That's fucking better. It's fiction, you dipshits, that's the point. Why would I keep the ugliest parts of men in my fantasy?
I sweat I've never seen a valid argument against fujos. It all sounds like seething pickmes, tifs or moids being jealous of women enjoying their thing.
No.4624
>>4623They want you to make straight content because they're worthless self-inserters who put zero effort in creating their own content and are furious that fujos are putting their talents in places they don't like. It all boils down to sour grapes
No.4625
>>4624Beyond based take. People constantly complaining about BL being """heteronormative""" and how "it's just a girl uke and man seme" really tell on themselves, they're self inserters unable to see the forest for the trees.
No.4628
>>4626Is that actually Hirsch's art? Lol.
Billdip is weird imo because I agree with him that Bill is way more interesting with one of the Stans dynamics wise for a long term relationship, but the possession epsiode means theres a ton of niche dark works that Billdip is ripe for.
No.4629
>>4628>Is that actually Hirsch's art?Nah just tumblr fanart
Personally I never shipped anything in gravity falls, but I definitely get why teenage girls would be more interested in shipping the handsome Bill fan design with Dipper (or Mabel if they’re a yume) instead of Stan. The amount of people going I CAN’T BELIEVE PEOPLE SHIPPED BILLDIP INSTEAD OF TOXIC OLD MAN YAOI reminds me of the how a fake yaoi fan looks when a real fujoshi comes at them meme though.
The girls are fighting for real.
No.4632
>>4629Honestly if you're a moral puritan I don't even know what you'd ship, I remember people being upset and stancest back in the day because incest, Mable/Dipper was equally reviled for that. All Bill and Pacifica ships are toxic, Dipper/Wendy is age gap.
I guess Fiddleford might be non-problamatic but everyone deserves better than Standford lol.
No.4633
>>4629>self insertWhy can these fags not comprehend that not everyone is self inserting into their ships?
No.4634
>>4633Maybe they think voyeurism is le bad and non-con? I've always mostly just consumed BL as a spectator, never a participant. Like their sportsball. Just because someone watches pro football, it doesn't mean they actually want to play pro football. Now I'm wondering if they self-insert when watching random TV shows.
No.4635
>>4629>child-adultthe funniest thing here is that they're talking about a fucking inhuman triangle lmao
I've actually seen this argument a lot lately when it comes to 'higher beings' eg. some eldritch monster, immortal non-human thing and so related that if shipped with a teenager it's 'child x adult' even though non-human things don't really count in the category of 'adult' that much?
I don't know, there aren't any hot cthulhus in my area for me to understand how it'd be an issue.
It's also the same how people hate selfcest too nowadays???
None of these things will happen in reality so what are you so bothered about?
No.4636
>>4635>selfcesti genuinely miss it tbh. most of the time it was pure crackship material but every once in a while, an artist or writer would make it genuinely compelling and it was super fun. it also seemed fairly accepted (esp during the onceler era) so it was weird to me when, a few years ago, there was a huge uptick in discourse about it.
mostly because of the mcu loki show, but that was hetship drama and i don’t want to sperg about it. No.4638
>>4633In that case they're actually referring to Dipper being Alex Hirsch's self insert, which is legit.
No.4641
What I envy about men making content is that they can make the porniest pedoest shit ever but if someone calls them out they just don't care or they tell them to shut the fuck up. I wish fujos would do the same because I've seen too many people (underage gendies, some incels and crazy female self inserters) getting comfortable with shitting on and harassing fujo authors for the grave sin of drawing two men fucking.
No.4642
>>4641Sadly, women don't have that kind of social capital. We can point at a genuine pedo and scream our heads off at him openly fantasizing about his toddler cousin while tracing child models for child porn, but nobody will listen until a male commentary channel makes a video on him. With women it takes one edgy tumblr post about shota you made in 2011 to get you cancelled in 2024 and have the doors to any industry and fandom shut for you forever. I know people think it's because women are more sensitive, but in reality it's more because people are so accustomed to male degeneracy and are also afraid of combating it because the worst of the worst psychos will always rush out of the woodwork to defend them.
No.4671
>>4629> I CAN’T BELIEVE PEOPLE SHIPPED BILLDIP INSTEAD OF TOXIC OLD MAN YAOIFunny they say this because billford is NOT old man yaoi and will never be. The ones who hold that tittle is fiddleford and stancest.
Speaking of stancest, it's so funny how it's kinda connected to billford…you telling me you ship ford with a guy who got his brother mannerisms? the same ship tumblr used to cry about how it was ~abusive~? Oh how the time changes.
I don't ship billdip at all but that ship was the blueprint for so many others, they should put some respect on its name
No.4672
>>4629Billdip! I had hyperfixation on this ship in my teens. Fics were delicious one was so memorable I tried to find it for years and then I found out yeah… it was comically edgy no wonder teenage me loved it.
I also genuinely think Billdip and Bill humanization fanart the reason Reverse Falls and other AU stood their feet on.
No.4673
>>4670>It's a danmei authorYeah, this person is probably underage and not worth interacting with.
>>4672I think I originally gave this show a chance solely because of the Billdip art, it didn't end up being my main ship for the show, but damn are the artists good. Especially ones with the puritan costume like that second piece.
No.4676
>>4672god help me i'm fighting back the urges to dive into this ship. The fanart is amazing, so many fanfics…but i'm really trying to not get too deep into GF. I'm already going crazy with stancest i don't need another ship to make me insane.
I feel like billdip, like you said, helped the fandom grow and also people to get interested in other AUs…but no way people will ever agree with that nowadays, because billdip is now……le bad!!!
No.4677
>>4676>The fanart is amazing, so many fanficsI don't see the harm in getting into it when a buffet awaits you. The real trouble is only when something gets its hooks in you and there is nothing!
No.4678
>>4676Damn this fanart goes hard.
No.4679
>>4670lmao there is nothing remotely masculine about MXTX's writing. It's very clear she's a woman. It's funny though because when aidens write "mlm" work it always comes off as girlier and far more sniveling than a regular woman's BL
No.4681
>>4680Why is it gained a traction though? I see it trending mad crazy on tumblr. Some merch or spin-off announcement? Something related with creators drama?
No.4689
>>4687I refuse to believe any men play Nu Carnival. At best there'd be a few male Quincy fans, but its a very "girly" game all things considered.
No.4693
>>4687>while I could make a whole essayOh PLEASE do! I'd love to see how you'd grasp at straws, cherry-pick, and use mental gymnastics to argue why yuri is so "pure" and yaoi is not.
Btw the creepy infantilization and characterization of women in yuri is virtually the same as in hentai.
Only an absolute pick-me, which this person is, would think yuri is a representation of lesbians, and that men don't get boners at seeing hot women together.
No.4694
>>4687Why do they always use the word "gross"? It's so childish. You'd think a minority feeling oppressed and objectified would express themselves much more seriously than that but these girls don't want to make that effort.
No.4695
>>4689Not men for sure, probably women with internalized misogyny.
Notice how she basically said
>women aligned people give me the ick uwuShe probably hates her body, which is why so many aidens transition.
I'd feel bad for them if they weren't so misogynistic
No.4696
>>4681The book of Bill came out
No.4708
>>4680please do! it's time we get a gf thread around here
>>4681book of bill came out > people read it and decided to rewatch the show > popular artists started drawing gf content again or for the first time
The hype around it made me buy not only TBOB but also journal 3 lol. And with this revival, my babygirl is finally getting the attention he deserves
No.4709
>>4689It's funny, just yesterday I was reading someone on another site shitting on Nu Carnival for being "male coded" and that only gay men could love it so it was clearly some kind of trans psyop.
>>4694Because they simply can't explain in clear terms what their issue is. They just rely on value judgements they insist are universal.
>>4708>every fan who watched it on first airing has had ten years to level up their artThis'll be nuts.
No.4727
>>4689Trying to 'reclaim' a game, which was made made by the fujo menace, from the fujo menace is absolutely unhinged. Nu: Carnival is pretty upfront about the type of game it is. If you truly find fujoshi that offensive, then why are you so obsessed with a game made by them that specifically panders to them?
>>4693>I'd love to see how you'd grasp at straws, cherry-pick, and use mental gymnastics to argue why yuri is so "pure" and yaoi is not.I've always found the mental gymnastics these types perform when justifying this belief to be frustrating. Like you, I've seen the argument that yuri is somehow more 'pure' and focuses more on the relationship development or whatever than yaoi, but I only find the relationship thing holds true if it's written by a woman. Most yuri I've read that's written by men has been… not that. The comparison feels so disingenuous because the women in yuri aren't any more realistic or well-written (unless, again, it was written by a woman); it's just that the person making the comparison has a vested interest in seeing their chosen genre come across as more respectable.
>>4694The word 'gross' is so funny to me. I think asparagus is gross, but I don't go on social media to complain about people who eat asparagus.