No.5288[Last 50 Posts]
Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
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>>861 No.5291
>>5288I hate being the type of fujo that doesn't like romance series so I stick to seinen, shounen and original anime which is fine per se, but unless it's a pure sausage fest that filters 100% of all otaku you always have to share the threads with loud, aggressive coomers and their stupid harem and loli rape fantasies and aren't allowed to post freely about fujo shit since it might trigger them.
Big KUDOS to creators of series like Golden Kamuy and Bravern that filter these shitters hard. The only threads I genuinely enjoy posting into outside of FC.
No.5296
Maybe not a fujo-specific concern, but I hate that doujinshi culture never really took off for English speakers. I buy and enjoy zines, but it'd be cool to purchase more physical fancomics.
No.5297
>>5296I feel the exact same way. I'm making my own right now (slowly) but I would like to by some from others myself… I personally just find them cooler.
No.5298
Not really a vent. I wish there was more thriller/horror movies about men kidnapping men, caging them in basement or bedroom with collars on their neck/limb. The amount of women in basement trope should be balanced with equally pretty guys. Where even to find them???
No.5299
I wish I could go back to 2016/2017 and assassinate whoever invented the pro/anti discourse so that I can ship my beautiful anime boys in peace without having to worry about teenagers sending me death threats. Take me back to the times where everything wasn't so black and white and when everything didn't have labels or names.
No.5300
>>5296I know I can just make my own doujin and post it on the internet but the social aspect of printing your work of passion and selling it at a con and meeting other people who like your work, as well as browsing other people's work, is what I wish I could experience.
The fact that most doujins are never reprinted or put online and stay physical only and limited to the eyes of a few people though, that's the only part I don't like. I would happily put all of mine online when they were done selling, but most people don't do that.
No.5304
>>5296God this. I wish I could participate in non-English zine events they are way less toxic and annoying and I want to see different cultures and people. I am German but participated in a Russian zine event some years ago and it had TOP tier artist. Way better roster than the US ones. So many talented people we motivated each other and two fans and I ended up drawing three artworks instead of one because that's how fun it was even though we could barely communicate.
I want this more often. Maybe it's just my fandoms but I have the issue that US artists either simply DON'T EXIST for the series I love even if it's a big hit in Asia or the English artists largely suck ass. Like I am sorry I don't want to be mean. But you know the "tumblr style" meme? It's mainly this.
No.5305
>>5296Printing services in the US aren't as accesible like japanese printing services are, they want to treat you like a renowed magazine/book publisher with a MOQ of 100 copies instead of just being able to have 10 copies to bring to a con.
Zines are kind of treated as "products", in which you need to have so many "mods" and "finances" and whatever else compared to Doujinshi which can be low-effort and printed in very low quantities, but it's a 'everyone can do it' sort of thing. Zines tend to build cliques around them or that you must be a well-known artist/writer to participate which goes against what Doujinshi are imo.
No.5306
>>5299I remember how Ovan/Haseo were the first characters I actively shipped and drew and I sometimes wonder if I would have gotten shit for it if it wasn't 2007-2009 because Ovan was an adult of 26 years and Haseo 17 at the beginning. I am even convinced that they made him turn 18 in the games on purpose so that you can ship him with adults without issue but he's way less mature than Ovan so the age gap feels bigger and I bet this would have been an issue for antis, especially since Ovan was playing the role of the backstabber and antagonist for most of the story.
>>5301I wish doujinshi and merch buying was easier and wouldn't always need you to resort to a forwarder and type in a Japanese address and all that shit.
Ordering from Mandarake is so chill because you don't need to do it but they only sell second hand dj.
No.5307
>>5296I wish every LCS in America had a section for "fandom" stuff and could double as a fandom/fujo gathering place. I also like to buy zines but I have so few because like
>>5304 says the collaborative nature of them means there could be an artist or two you don't like (also they are way more expensive/involved than jp doujins like
>>5305 says, so I can't buy them willy-nilly). There have been a lot more indie books/comics/games in the past decade and I hope that opens up doors for cheaper physical print for everybody. IIRC selling doujins at/around cost is what keeps them safe in that grey area.
No.5308
>>5307>I wish every LCS in America had a section for "fandom" stuff and could double as a fandom/fujo gathering placeNow this would be an idea to keep these things from dying. Not America but there is a nearby Yu-gi-Oh fan place that was formerly a merchandising shop which is very popular and full of YGO fans that meet there every day to play cards. Imagine something fujos but combined with a manga/comic store.
One of our manga shops has a second floor with a few seats and you always see people chilling there and talking, but it's too small for a group.
Anyway I absolutely want fandom stuff. There was a shop here that sold some doujinshi once but it closed ages ago and I in manga shops I strangely only saw a Made in Abyss fan anthology so far. They should do this with other series.
No.5311
>>5291as much as it annoys me to be in the same proximity as them, i do get some sick vindictive joy out of pissing off scrotes who whine about fujos ruining everything but have no issue with ooc hentai slop of their waifus; shipping is only bad if it doesnt make their dick hard it seems. i especially love telling them to eat shit rather than act meek like they expect and call out them out for their shallow tastes of the media they vehemently 'defend' from the fujoshi menace (when said fujoshi menace invests more time and care into the show)
I
will draw your self projection badass mc taking dick up the ass and moaning like a girl, seethe and kys
stupid moid.
No.5326
>>5311I get it. If you think about it, when you live rent free in someone's brain you hold power over that person.
No.5331
>>5311It's a good attitude. They need more backlash that is just obvious enough to convey the message but not extreme enough to derail.
It's almost comical how bad their characters usually are. Even canonically. Most mangaka that write a girl into a story for fanservice don't waste a single thought on her personality, they are never written as characters but cardboard cutouts to pacify coomers. So it annoys me how easy they are attracted because otaku have zero standards. It just has to have a female body and maybe a personality that isn't too masculine to distract or confuse them and they coom and cry WAIFU.
Compare that to fujos where even most actual fujo shows flop because they sparkling bishounen weren't charismatic enough. And then you get some absolute weirdo that nobody expected to blow up and he's the hit because he's written in a way that you would even love him if he was a grandma (albeit not sexually).
It's frustrating because you don't have to put any effort into writing women because the stupid fanbase doesn't need it they mainly care about pictures.
When I am into a series with mixed cast today and google art it's always 80%+ men drawn by fujos and the rest is almost without exception AI trash or template coomer art with off-model and OOC characters with ahegao cumming to the penis of some fat faceless dude lmao
Why can't men ship? At least draw art of the girl having sex with the male MC wtf is the problem?
No.5332
>>5331>Why can't men ship? At least draw art of the girl having sex with the male MC wtf is the problem?Even when they do draw a canon male with a waifu they usually give him the faceless mob treatment. The ugly bastard fetish is about humiliation/corruption kink. It's not like faceless mob ojisans or monsters raping male characters doesn't exist but it's more common with fujos who are hardcore into a specific guy bottoming. I think most men just don't care about a relationship dynamic and only want to see the waifu getting fucked. If they ship her it's with the guy they selfinsert as, but they don't care about their actual relationship other than maybe some generic housewife domestic life as a leadin to sex. Lots of dudes with impregnation kink but never thinking about how they will raise their ten+ kids or make the cash to support them.
No.5337
>>5333Straight male yurifags who don't want any men involved are the rarest kind, I think. Most commonly you get the guy who just wants a threesome with the two girls, or is only interested in yuri if it's futa, i.e, if there's a dick involved. They're pretty much a direct parallel to 'fujos' who exclusively read and write PiV.
No.5339
>>5337>Straight male yurifags who don't want any men involved are the rarest kindHot take but I think actual full on yurifag men are kinda gap moe (could just be from reading this manga though)
>or is only interested in yuri if it's futaI honestly think this one is the most common nowadays kek.
No.5340
>>5339I agree it's moe, I think the obsession with guys being 'cucks' over liking yuri seems like a very western thing and Japanese men might be less likely to have the same hangups. There have been plenty of big male dominated yuri fandoms like Touhou but all the western fandom yuri stuff is made by women as far as I've seen.
No.5341
>>5340I think it's some weird projection thing, a lot of guys (and some girls) who call yurifags cucks also call fujos cucks for the same reason.
No.5342
>>5340>>5341Cuckshit in general seems pretty western. You never see the east whine about ntr save the few that go global like that one Love and deepspace drama with the bl ban or when some gacha incels went apeshit over their waifu talking to another man. Personally, I never liked ntr apart from a few edge cases but the amount of westerners seething over this shit made me realize why the few yurifags that do exist end up trooning out. They're black and white receptors can't perceive nuance so therefore they must be a girl in order to like yuri–sounds retarded but that's my guess.
No.5343
>>5341It's always self-inserters doing this. Whenever I talk to someone who holds this viewpoint, they call fujos/yurifags cucks on the basis of…us not wanting to self-insert and make the romance revolve around ourselves. They're genuinely unable to understand how to engage with fiction without warping it around your own self. They can't even fathom being an observer, so they equate it to cuckoldry.
No.5344
>>5342Japan maybe (though even then I've seen them drop games when they start pandering more to a demographic they don't like), Chinese people definitely complain about that though.
>They're black and white receptors can't perceive nuance so therefore they must be a girl in order to like yuri–sounds retarded but that's my guess.It tracks. If your mind is already that schizo then trooning out probably seems like a good idea.
>>5343It's so weird to me, I get that some people ALWAYS need to self insert in a piece of media but to then write off people who don't need to self insert in everything they read/watch as cucks? What are they on kek.
No.5348
>>5342>>5344I believe it's because of there is still a stigma with cartoons in many western countries. I witnessed a lot of anons and casual anime/cartoon watchers telling me that they wouldn't watch a serious anime because they watch anime for different reasons than live action. They take the latter seriously, but nothing that is animated.
It baffled me at first, but I heard so many saying this that I must accept that's a common thing. And it explains a LOT.
Most of these people basically claim that 2D can never be good, so you watch it for wish-fulfillment, "ironic" fun or as guilty pleasure trash the same way normalfags are watching horrible casting shows. Fanservice, dumb jokes and other bullshit. I believe that self-insert fags are a similar type, albeit nerdier.
They only view anime as quick way to pacify one specific urge, like how hentai doesn't need a story, it only has to help you getting off. They deem shit like self-insert pandering the sole purpose of anime, so they get mad if they didn't get served what they allegedly ordered. And they think everybody else was the same as them, because they cannot imagine that some people out there are actually taking anime and comics seriously.
No.5353
>>5299Same. Everything gradually got worse around 2014/2015 in fandoms but then the internet as a whole became unbearable in 2016 because of the US elections and it never got better.
>>5301I plan yet another trip to Japan next summer but after that I'll stop for a few years because that's expensive, even with the weak yen. What's annoying me the most is that now that I finally make money and the pandemic is fully over it's not possible to buy anything on toranoana with visa anymore. So when I wanted money to indulge in my hobbies I was broke and now that I'm not broke anymore I can't even buy things I want anyway.
>I wanna to import raws.Buying digital copies of manga online in Japanese could be a cheap option with the weak yen, depending on what currency you have. I don't do it because I don't feel like spending money on a e-reader but sometimes I consider it just so I can have less physical books.
No.5356
>>5355>Do you ever feel like someone has it out for you in anonymous threadsPeople already feel more comfortable being negative behind an internet screenname so being anonymous turns that feeling up to 11 for some.
No.5358
>>5355On anonymous boards it's usually one sperg that just seethes about a show or the fact that it's popular for some reason. Like you couldn't make Vinland Saga threads on /a/ for a year or so because some asshole was so dedicated to shit it up that it turned into a dumpster fire quickly. It's often the same person when you witness that.
I am honestly surprised that I never got hate for liking the wrong character designs though because the guys I like are usually ugly or weird as shit. Like actually weird, not some ikemen with scar or something kek
No idea how someone can be offended over a design though. I can only assume it's a rival shipper or someone that is mad about the popularity of a certain character within the fandom they/she frequent(s), but they way you talk about it makes it sounds like they don't even know it. Maybe mad about the popularity of your show then?
No.5361
>>5355I rarely get mean replies, even when I post something that's debatable or probably TMI
Not sure how much of it is luck, liking things no one else has strong feelings about, phrasing, or if my taste really is just That Good, but it's nice to not get ragged on
Maybe someone assumed from your tastes that you're someone they personally know and dislike, and are just vendettaposting? Idk
No.5363
>>5358I always thought the Vinland mess was more than one guy, considering how many threads are just "grrr feminism bad grrrr pacifism is for babies". In my case I can't imagine it's one person either, unless one of them forgot for five years and suddenly remembered.
All three series were ones that you can count the English speaking fanbase on one hand (far as I know). In one it's literally three people, so forgive me if I don't name them because it'd be super easy to find my posts. As for the "ugly" designs - it's always just regular anime guys? They're typical ikemen with a variety of hair lengths, wearing suits or hoodies, that sort of thing. You can see how I find it confusing. It's like taking a random Bungo Stray Dogs image and going "gross I can't watch this" because they're… guys? In clothing?
Honestly I think if it was freaky aliens or robots people would leave it alone or I'd at least understand what they meant. You have a good mental shield when you can tell it's an unusual design. When you think there's nothing wrong with something and people give these vague negatives it just leads to doubt.
>>5361I don't get ragged on frequently myself (though the fellow fujos calling stuff ugly thing does happen every so often), that's why this week stood out as strange. Ah. Fuck, I think I might have just landed on an answer, lol.
No.5371
I wish the few fujos that I encounter on 4chan still really just started using /cm/ more as a discussion board. It won't hurt you if you make a small little post about something without an image attached.
The imagedump nature of /cm/ is nice and all but it's been almost like, what? nearly 20 years?
It's not gonna change to make a fujo friendly board, pretty sure all the gayshit boards are still up by sheer miracle so the most nonnas can do is at least attempt to discuss things.
The evafags have done well with this but the ones into very niche things never really end up talking…
No.5372
>>5363>Honestly I think if it was freaky aliens or robots people would leave it alone or I'd at least understand what they meant. You have a good mental shield when you can tell it's an unusual design. When you think there's nothing wrong with something and people give these vague negatives it just leads to doubt.Yeah I noticed that lovers of weird, deformed men usually don't get hate. Maybe they are too far removed from anything otaku can identify with or fap to (unlike femboys or shota) and women that aren't into them usually just ignore it. I have seen like one asking how everybody could be into Tsukishima for being so damn ugly lol, but in that case she just asked it because he's insanely popular.
I find it weird, but if it's really an ikemen from a show with small fandom I can only imagine that there is some small active hater circle that dislike him for some very specific reason. It's easier to say "ugly as shit" then to mention WHAT it is that they dislike because the latter might reveal who they are or bring in fandom drama. They might simply hate him because they had a beef with a fan of him years ago.
Sorry deleted the other post for some confusing typos.
No.5373
>>5371>nearly 20 yearsNah the conversation bans started back in 2008ish, before that discussion was allowed. Technically mods never rescinded that rule but it was also never written anywhere except the sticky, which was gone by 2010 so I guess it's been 14 years?
There's been a few fandoms migrated from /a/ or /vg/ that I've joined on there, but every time either everyone disappears over the years or you get a couple months in and one really loud shitter starts attacking everyone who doesn't share their taste in ships. I bitched about it here before but the Trigun threads had some uppity idiot who would accuse anyone posting KnivesxWolfwood art of being an anti coward who was trying to ruin their incest pairing, even though we tried to tell them that most KnivesXWolfwood AUs involved threesomes, we just couldn't post the literal porn on /cm/. It ended up a No Wolfwood Allowed zone when decent non-black top scars Wolfwood was much needed.
What gets me is that /cm/ since the exodus is always full of people who don't sound like channers much and have strange takes I've never heard of. When the regulars of one thread left I found myself some months later sat with someone who was talking about a ship conspiracy that "corporate was forcing down our throats", which I had never even noticed before (they're literally just main characters, are they not allowed to interact?), nor seen discussed in that way on 4chan ever. They didn't have the sense of humor the old threads carried and their opinions were really shallow? They didn't have much to say when they did speak, and they shared images with pininterest filenames and nothing to say about why they liked them. I have continued to make comments here and there about what I'm posting or the newest updates to the series, but nobody converses and I feel disconnected. The only ones that feel worth talking to are still fresh from /a/ or /m/.
No.5374
>>5371I made the same complaint some weeks ago. Fully agree. It's not against the rules as long as you post a pic to accompany the text.
I always try to incite dialogue but in most threads there is maybe one person that reacts, the rest comes, ignores everything posted, dumps 20 pics of their OTP and leaves. They only make the thread reach the image limit faster without any sort of benefit. Nowadays you don't to search much for the art anymore. The newest pics posted are usually the ones you see the second you open twitter. It was harder to collect art decades ago when you had to find all these obscure fujo fan shrine pages first, back then art dumps actually helped me.
Considering that you never get discussions on /a/ it would be cool if you at least had a slower thread on /cm/ then but no.
>The evafags have done well with this The Bravern threads too. It's lively fan talks with pics where anons even link sources and doujinshi and such. Would be cool if all threads would be like that.
>They didn't have the sense of humor the old threads carried and their opinions were really shallow?I also feel like they're full of the bad sort of coomer. Not sure if they are males but it doesn't matter. They cannot discuss ships or plot, they only like the types of characters you casually see /a/nons cumming to saying "not gay" and a lot of art is solo art, convincing me further that it's just some dudes posting sfw molestation of their favorite schoolboy and some invisible man.
> I have continued to make comments here and there about what I'm posting or the newest updates to the series, but nobody converses and I feel disconnected.Same. I feel this. I won't stop doing it but I wish it would help.
If nonnas are seeing this thread don't be shy to use /cm/!!
No.5379
>>5371I have given up on /cm/ a while ago because half of the threads I visited had at least one idiot dumping 50 pics of her/his husbando at once and flood the thread with it. It's usually characters I don't even like, which make it worse. So I find a pic, think it's cool enough to share and even have an idea what to say, only to realise that the NEW thread already reached the image limit again with 0 discussions because some sperg thinks it was their personal image folder.
They also apparently don't give a shit about double posting or even visited the old threads. It can happen that you post something someone else already posted in an earlier thread that's dead now. But if you literally just post the first 100 danbooru fanarts of a series again and again you are an asshole. Especially if it's a slow board like /cm/ where you additionally killing other threads.
No.5383
>>5371>I wish the few fujos that I encounter on 4chan still really just started using /cm/ more as a discussion boardYou're very rude. We have this entire site for that. Just leave that wretched place already - was the 15-min long wait before you can make a post not enough for you? 4chan is over.
No.5385
>>5383I second your point, I dont see the point in trying to change a board culture that has remained stagnant for almost 2 decades when we have an entire site open and prime for discussion. If theyre discouraged because the site is too slow of course its going to remain so if you dont encourage the 4chan fujos to post here instead.
No.5391
How do you all talk on twitter or something? I want to talk but I am too paranoid to say anything. Not even because of antis, I am pretty safe of them but because I feel like even super nice people will misinterpret me.
Like I want to comment on some artwork and just say "This is even cooler than the scene from the manga!" and I mean it but then people might get offended that I implied that the manga scene wasn't good or something. So I can't post it. So I have to explain and this already makes me tired so I click it away again and leave a Like.
I have experience this in real life too. No matter what I say everytime someone hears something I didn't say, misreads between lines and sees implications that don't exist.
It's different on image boards. People actually read what I say here. Though I noticed a decline on /a/ in that regard which further convinces me that most users come from socmedia these days and aren't used to good old honest discussions.
No.5392
>>5391You're probably overthinking it. Most people aren't going to read that much into what you tweet. 99% of having a sane experience on Twitter is curating a sane following of individuals anyway. As long as your mutuals aren't the trigger-happy callout type you'll be fine. Just avoid anyone who often gets into drama or starts shit with people 24/7. You can tell by looking at their TL if they mainly talk about their interests with their friends or spend half of their day rage QRTing others.
No.5393
>>5383I understand nonna because there are at least two series I am fan of that seem to have no other fans on FC yet, so I abstain from talking about them unless I casually bring them up in a favorite-character thread or something.
I try to make FC livelier but I don't want to samefag or post too much if a thread is slow, so at least for now I still need another board to post at even though I am mainly talking to myself there since /cm/ sucks and its threads are often slower FC.
rl;dr let's make FC livelier it's /cm/ in good
No.5396
>>5393Maybe we need to make a thread on /site/ for people to post a fandom they've thought about making an /f/ thread for and seeing if anyone says they'll talk on it. It'd be better than making a bunch of empty threads for small fandoms, and we could discuss consolidating topics where possible for the longevity of a thread. You never know if there's other fans out there who are keeping to themselves too.
No.5397
>>5396We could also make a "What are you currently reading" thread, similar to the currently watching thread.
Or vaguely defined manga threads like "historical manga" or "old manga (before 2000 or something)". The general manga threads are among my favorites on /a/ nowadays because they attract a wider range of anons and most of them are oldfags and niche fags that read the good shit.
No.5398
>>5397A historical manga thread sounds awesome, I really need to find more.
No.5399
>>5398Yeah history stuff is great. I am deeply into it in real life so there is that. But on top of my hobby it's also nice that most historical manga are sausage fests, so there is a high chance of finding two dudes with good chemistry and a lot of screentime together.
Orb getting all that fujo fanart right now is the best example of history manga attracting fujos even if there is no obvious pandering.
No.5401
>>5400>even better that it's basically ignored by westernersIs that some general history issue? I noticed the lack of interest with Elusive Samurai and for how huge Golden Kamuy is in Asia it's also comically irrelevant in the west, at least regarding art. It has quite many fics but I only ever saw a single western artist for it kek
Not sure about Vinland Saga. I think that one's fanbase is more balanced but Bravern comes into my mind when I think about it. Not history, but strange discrepancy between the west and the east. One of the biggest fujo hypes in Japan but crickets here. Not counting /a/ and FC, since we're special places.
On the one hand lack of western hype is good since it means the fanbase is chiller and you avoid ugly art and drama. But on the other side it can sometimes be frustrating if you want to talk about a series and don't speak Chinese or Japanese. Especially if you are into a manga without anime adaption.
No.5402
>>5401I don't think the pandemic anime fans (majority of westerners at this point) ever watch something that isn't fed to them by the algorithm. They aren't real fans. If they don't see people hyping it up on their feeds they don't bother even if you personally shill it to them. They don't care about the actual stories or experience of anime, they just want something they can meme and shoot the shit about with friends. This excludes anything that isn't already popular. Even in the past, of course we had the juggernaut shonen fandoms that were bigger than anything else, but niche shows still picked up fandoms because fans were more likely to judge based off the story and not the size of the fandom. I don't think modern fans even look at seasonal charts. That's my theory at least.
No.5403
>>5391>How do you all talk on twitter or something?I don't. I deleted my account ages ago and suggest you do the same.
If you're asking this question, it means that Twitter and the rest of social media are worse places to interact with people than image boards. You know, places like 4chan - ~~ThE WoRsT SiTe oN tHe iNtErNeT~~. Really makes you think.
>people might get offendedThe entire point of social media - faking outrage and capitalising on it.
>No matter what I say everytime someone hears something I didn't say, misreads between lines and sees implications that don't exist. Very Cultural Revolution by design.
>>5401>Bravern comes into my mind when I think about it. Not history, but strange discrepancy between the west and the east. One of the biggest fujo hypes in Japan but crickets hereNon-Japanese fans are often allergic to mecha. Only Gundam got popular, and perhaps a couple of shows that were not just 'big, silly robots', like NGE, Code Geass.
No.5404
>>5402>If they don't see people hyping it up on their feeds they don't bother even if you personally shill it to themI hate this because it happens to me. Ages old loose friends that watched the same seasonal shit as me in the past won't listen to me anymore because Instagram doesn't talk about my AOTS. I stopped talking to them tbh I am not willing to pretend I loved Dandadan and whatever Instashit is hyping up (and I actually watched the first episodes) and keep quiet about the series I love because the algorithm isn't recommending them.
>I don't think modern fans even look at seasonal charts.I realised that on 4chan recently. Someone was asking for recs of good recent anime. I mentioned the charts and it turned into an argument because they didn't know what I meant with "chart" and didn't understand when I explained it.
I can't even imagine it. I remember that one of the very first anime related things I ever googled in 2002 I think was a fan translated seasonal chart of that season or year. I remember noting down the series that looked interesting to download them with kazaa or whatever it was if I find subs.
No.5405
>>5403> I deleted my account ages ago and suggest you do the same. I don't want to go that far it's the only place for me to post my fanart. I hate tumblr and the other socmedia places are trash and I already have 2k followers.
It's just that I feel weird for only posting art and never saying anything. Maybe it's for the better, but it's still annoying if you are fan of series with 0 other western fans so the only other enjoyers you encounter are Asians on twitter.
No.5406
>>5383>You're very rude.[autistic confusion]
NTA but how is a wish and commentary on the state of a board meant for a certain kind of discussion where it was made to go, rude?
No.5408
>>5406I don't know, it's like writing a company that you prefer the exact same product offered by their competitor. And you're forcing /cm/ into what it originally never was too (it was a board strictly for pic dumping) - then lament why you can't bend that board into your liking. You'll have better luck convincing Hiroshima to make a manhwa&manhua board.
>>5404>because Instagram doesn't talk about my AOTSCan't believe Instagram became a get-go place for anime recs. Just…bizarre.
No.5409
>shonen manga starts, gets like 10 volumes in one or two years
>bl manga isn't a one shot, has one volumes released every two years on average
I don't have a reaction image to describe how much I hate it here.
No.5410
>>5409Shounen magazines can afford assistants for the mangaka and drawing the manga is probably the mangaka's only job. BL is niche, so I presume, many authors have side jobs or create manga in their free time.
No.5411
>>5410I know that in theory but it's been so long since I followed the release of a shonen manga that it hit me like a truck when I did some housework and realised that JJK will have 30 volumes in total, MHA will have like 40 volumes but correct me if I'm wrong, and yet a series like Acid Town is still not over and way shorter despite beginning earlier. It doesn't apply to just bl, thinking about how both series started and ended during Nana's hiatus makes me feel old as hell.
No.5415
>>5409I am a seinen fag I am used to mangaka like Miura or Tsukushi and their two chapters by year.
It rarely happens that I read a weekly series but when I do I usually read it in bunches twice a year because weekly releases are too fucking fast for me I am not used to it
No.5416
>>5414The only thing I know about Mouthwashing is the amount of people on twitter who keep yelling about this guy and how bad it is to ship him because people must not know how bad he is. I'm not surprised it would push artists away who don't want to deal with the mob. You need to wait for the hype to die down and the clout chasers to move onto the next indie game, or pray that something better than twitter pops up for fandom.
No.5417
>>5414I feel this because I am a massive fan of a guy that 98% of the fandom hates so much they're comparing him real life fascists, nazis, Trump and others and most even claim that he's supposed to be a direct representation of either Trump or far-righters in general.
Never gave a shit and just kept drawing him. To my huge surprise I never got any hate for it even though the fandom is rather huge, I've never blocked anybody and I have more than 1k followers on twatter so I am not completely obscure.
Maybe it only works for me, but I just ignore all discourses within the fandom and just keep drawing art that I try to make as pretty as I can to shill my favorites, retweet and do nothing else. I don't talk on twitter, maybe that helps. My only text posts are the comments for my art when I post some and me thanking people that comment on it or praise other artists.
tl;dr use twitter addons that switch off algorithms, don't follow discourse fags, ignore haters and go full out to post and draw what you like.
Haters and antis are AFRAID of self-confidence. So do everything you do happily and self-confidently. They will come at you if you seem insecure about liking something.
No.5418
>>5414>>5417I'm using so many plugins I never see an anti unless someone I follow is posting a tweet of them or I'm trying to find art in English and guaranteed, I will see one shitting their pantsu about how problematic blah blah
Honestly glad Mouthwashing gained traction in JP artist circles because antis actually never. I routinely post fucked up ship takes on my own twitter which inadvertently attracts like minded writers. Never got an anti in my inbox either.
No.5434
>>5408>forcing /cm/ into what it originally never was too (it was a board strictly for pic dumping)Did you know /cm/ used to have a mock magazine? I made it with a friend who ran some of the board's IRC groups. The headlines would all be related to arguments and discussions that had happened on the board that month, though admittedly it was biased towards fandoms we were in. Look up board archives from the 00s, we were idiots but we chattered constantly. What nona is missing is the old culture of the board, from its origin. I don't think that could ever replace FC's wordiness.
>>5414I haven't tried it yet but I was shocked how quickly all these kids jumped ship from spamming Alien Stage comparisons in every fandom to posting about Mouthwashing all over. I haven't been in contact with younger fandom in some time so maybe this is real normal, but it was like watching a massive school of fish change direction suddenly. No obvious instigator, just change.
No.5445
When you're looking for yaoi of a niche franchise you like and it's either old art that was lost in the archives or never saved, or when you're looking for yaoi of even a popular franchise you like and someone just spams mpreg and vore art in the tags
No.5449
>tfw you're so obsessed with a ship that you are too busy thinking about them 24/7 to do anything else
It's good but it's also bad.
No.5454
>>5445>someone just spams mpreg and vore art in the tagshow it feels to use rule 34 as a last resort for niche content but all there is are degenerate western fetish art….
No.5458
>BL manga i like got a 24K hit tweet
joewari da…
No.5459
>>5434Both Alien Stage and Mouthwashing got taken over by the moral police. The former are from yuri fans who keep bitching about yaoi and fujos, the latter also bitching about yaoi and fujos and reminding people that bad man is bad. Younger people do nothing in fandoms but police people now.
No.5461
>>5459>>5459I think I'm done with trying to jump into discussion.
There's no age rating on the steam page. At least last I checked it. So minors are flooding the fandom on top of watching screamtubers. Kids sure love their gore.
Fascinates them.
So it's like they're magnetized while us old folks who know it's just a drawing have to put up with 'jumbalaya' and 'people who ship these characters make me uncomfortable.'
>tfw chan thinks my post is automatedI've had to reword and re-format this so sorry if it looks weird, what even is this.
No.5462
>>5461Call me shizo but I bet money that almost none of the fandom cops have even played it. I am part of a game and a bigger comic fandom and at least there 90% of the antis haven't even engaged with the story the way they should have.
Most of them have their knowledge about canon from other fans and discord fan talks, wikia summaries, fics or (at best) outtakes from the games on youtube.
Underaged would play Mouthwashing regardless of age rating since nobody ever cared about that. But I doubt that many have played it to begin with. These people only latch onto popular stuff in an attempt to insert OCs or try to stay relevant.
I am genuinely surprised that series like Made in Abyss and some other problematic ones I enjoy are free of these people. They really only listen to algorithms and it just happens that their instagram/twitter circle didn't recommend these stories to them.
No.5464
>>5462>Made in Abyss and some other problematic ones I enjoy are free of these people.In the case of Made in Abyss it is "protected" by such a large chud/chud-adjacent loli/shotacon population that fancops are scared of retaliation. If something has enough unhinged male fans on social media, it is "safe" from the kind of harassment fujos regularly face.
No.5465
>>5464Oh this is a good point. This is it. It also explains the other series that are free of them. Even without kids they're all full of menhera, naked dudes and other gay ecchi stuff or problematic content. They only dare to try to hijack fandoms that are perceived as nice or fandoms with a lower percentage of [problematic group] otherwise they're scared.
Only showing once more that instead of staying silent people have to post their fujo art of problematic men.
I noticed that obvious unhinged accounts rarely get antis either. I post fanart with gore, metaphors for suicide or ships of the worst men of the franchises I am into and despite that there are antis in the fandom they avoid me like the plague. Never give in, never give them any attention.
No.5466
I genuinely believe that 95% of all anti and fandom cop sperging gets triggered by a simple fear or disgust of sex. This is why gayness is even more problematic than het, because it's less common and feels even raunchier to a 18yo puritan that wasn't even allowed to touch the playboy or watch an ecchi anime in their teens.
I forgot what fandom it was but around a year ago I googled some huge drama I've heard about to observe what kind of people are involved and how they behave (for SCIENCE). And it was basically all retarded teens and 20yos shipping themselves but losing their shit if the shipping was ROMANTIC. Only friendship shipping.
The characters they shipped were all some twinky teenager blobs and they did dog piling and call outs and aggressive mob attacks against fans that hinted sexual feelings like drawing a character blushing or some shit. It was insane.
I remember reading a bunch of long twitter threads that tried to explain how fucking evil and abusive it was ship such characters romantically and how viewing a 17yo as character with sex drive was pedophilia and a lot of other insane takes. Wish I screenshotted it or remembered the fandom.
Shit made me realise that I am happy to not share their taste. Based on the characters they like they would never go near the kinds of series I enjoy. Thank god.
No.5468
>>5466>This is why gayness is even more problematic than het, because it's less common and feels even raunchier to a 18yo puritanDon't underestimate bogstandard homophobia, a lot of people still just think gay = buttsex and buttsex = gross, especially selfinserters who don't want to see their husbando taking it in the ass but can't say that outright. They might be fine with him taking it in the vag though kek
No.5469
>>5467worse
comments bashing Jimmy on JP accounts where the artist doesn't even speak English. Undoubtedly machine translating and getting what they may think is hate towards them.
JP artists know about fandom antis so at the very least they usually do not engage, but I hate to see it.
No.5470
>>5469>>5467It's really annoying how people can't just enjoy a genuinely evil and terrible character and have to say all these buzzword phrases to justify enjoying him in fanworks, just enjoy the toxic yaoi you don't have to virtue signal in the artists comments so everyone knows you hate bad people or whatever
No.5471
>>5469was chuckling when i saw a bunch of jp fans who think jimmy didn't rape anya and were sad about eng fans being mean at him.
they really live on a different dimension lol
No.5478
>>5466Oh, for sure. I was an "anti" before antis were a thing and I was aged 13, way too young and autistic to understand sex stuff and the nuance with erotica. I was going around telling adult artists that they're icky perverts and they just laughed me off because social media cancellation parties didn't exist back then. It was 100% me being exposed to these spaces at a way too young age and in retrospect I appreciate all the adult women who told me to fuck off because today adult men in those same spaces probably wouldn't resist the temptation to add me on discord and start their grooming tactics.
No.5479
>>5478Sure but everybody browsed or stumbled upon NSFW with 13 so I don't think that these antis are "just kids". I would have never even considered talking to the adults posting porn let alone telling them to stop it because I didn't like it when I was 12-13. Nowadays I honestly associate this attitude with US Americans. I am not sure if I am right, but 95% of the antis and call out crazies I witnessed were from that one country so I assume that people fuck up raising their kids properly there. So many of them think they owned the world and have no qualms oversharing and imposing their will onto others. We could reduce antis to a minimum if it was possible to range-block this one country, I am sure of it.
To me nsfw galleries didn't even feel forbidden. I was just anxious over sexual things back then, so I clicked it away when I saw it. Later, with 14, I SECRETLY looked at it, telling myself I didn't enjoy it LMAO
I think I can thank my one fujo friend that openly enjoyed porn and telling me it's cool when we were 14. Anyway, yeah talking back helps. But I wish we could find the root of the problem. It's not kids being online, it's a behavioral issue (I still blame evangelical fundamentalism for it, at least indirectly).
No.5480
I hate the lack of figures of male characters and the complete lack of merch of male characters that aren't bishounen.
It's comical how often it happens that you get a series where 90% of the characters are male, where the five or so most popular characters are male and they still try to shove merch of the waifu side character down everybody's throat and might sometimes give up if it doesn't sell like hot cakes.
Sometimes it happens that they realise which characters and fanbases actually matter, but it takes time and it's not guaranteed to happen in the first place. I think one of the more comical experiences was Bravern of all things getting merch for the girls at the beginning. The show couldn't be any more homosexual but some exec really thought "yeah sell merch of this girl with one minute of screentime per episode" (nothing against them, the girls are great, but not my point). It's especially enraging with other series though where the girls are nothing but cardboard cutouts that are just written into the series to force in some cheap fanservice or be the waifu of someone else.
No.5493
when westoids on Pixiv who upload to BL tags don't tag their landmines like cuntboy and 女体化 (female version of male character) it makes me want to delete the internet. I didn't come to the fumuke category to see tranny shit
No.5497
>>5493> PixivIt's over. Has been since they integrated English language use. All my favorite artists left. R18 is just Fanbox ads. And worse, JP artists don't re-upload their work elsewhere. They delete everything forever and will quit the entire internet.
So now, my search results per series are horrible 3D render het porn, or badly drawn brownwashing
No.5498
>>5493Pixiv went to shit when they made an English version of it in 2014? IMO. It was coincidentally also the time when Japanese artist moved to twitter in droves, only using pixiv as dumping ground where they post their logs every few months if they use it at all.
I hate how bad the quality became. Up till the early 10s I remember how almost every artwork on there was top tier. Now there is like one or three good one(s) per page and the rest is below Devian Art crap and looks like it was drawn by a kid, at least for most fandoms. I guess it's not just a western issue but the result of every casual getting internet access with phones (phones users are to blame for 99% of everything that makes the modern internet shit so no surprise).
Also pixiv-only users are almost solely hardcore porn loli and shota coomers because they don't dare to upload that stuff anywhere else.
No.5499
>>5497I've seen some artists jump to Xfolio (where apparently AI is a reportable offense) but I'm not sure if it will stick.
No.5501
>>5499God I hope not that's the worst of all. It's completely useless since you cannot even save the fanart. Not even the usual ctrl+rightclick works and there are no add-ons to rip. Sadly one of the artists I love uploaded a doujinshi there but you cannot download it, it's sucks.
No.5502
>>5491These look like they were made for gay men
No.5503
>>5491Still waiting for a single damn Tsurumi figure. Common, his series has a billion gay merch articles already why wouldn't you release a proper figure of that guy then? He only has pic related which is cute, I admit that. But he deserves an on-model figure. He's technically even super handsome if it wasn't for his wound (and latent insanity). Tsukishima has a figure and I love him but judging by common beauty standards he's ugly as fuck lmao
That said I am baffled that GK gets so much merch to begin with. Though it's a pure sausage fest save for a single (thankfully non-sexualised) girl, so maybe they simply had no other option. It's sad that adult men are unlikely to get figures unless the series is popular enough to make it into the top ten. I would kill for an Askeladd fig as well.
No.5505
>>5503Apologies if you've already seen it, someone has made a custom garage kit render of him you can download the files to create your own tsurumi figure! Its unfortunate the avenue to getting a figure of a niche character/subject is to go through the customs route which is already a hell in obtaining and assembling.
Ive included some other Tsurumi custom figures, though im not sure if their GK components are purchasable.
I would also be down with a Tsurumi figure, even a nendoroid would suffice. One of my hopes is that
Wilk's skinned face is one of his nendo accessories kek though the anime would be a little further along for them to do that
No.5509
>>5504My best advice is to make new accounts in that case. You are basically a new person/user then and feel distanced from your old account. Even if you think your fics are shit, there might always be someone that thinks otherwise. And being the author is always different from being the audience that rushes through a fic in no time.
I just did something similar with twitter and bluesky. I had a burnout and couldn't draw for a year. But I only ever posted super detailed, hard to draw fanart on my main so I made a side acc for sketches and easy art. Anyway my point is: it feels much easier to upload and draw now. The distance helps and it helps that the expectations for this new account are different. I also felt better making a new tumblr account years ago. Same reason as you, I was embarrassed by some of the shit I posted on the old one. But I recently googled my old art and one pic got 3k notes in those years I ignored it! Have no access to that acc anymore but anyway, someone might still like your stuff.
But even if you delete it you should make a new acc, I think it's really motivating to start anew.
No.5511
I haven't been able to get into any BL manga for over a month now. It's like nothing has really grabbed me as of late. I even tried getting into manhwa, which was even worse of an experience because the stories are unfocused and I don't like the art. I don't know if it's a problem with me or if it's really that hard to find what I'm looking for.
No.5512
>>5511Here try this it's an anthology I remember reading a while ago. Personally when I'm not in the mood for something I like checking out short story collections. The theme is "I'm not gay but…" First story is foot fetish stuff though so you can skip that if it doesn't interest you.
https://mangadex.org/title/4f9e2a8f-c975-4130-a51a-ff8bc1bf461aThis is another short one with a dentist theme which I found interesting, mainly since I've never seen a BL with a dentist before.
https://myreadingmanga.info/kobayashi-moriwo-melancholy-melancholic-melancholinist-eng/ No.5513
>>5511Just take a break for however long you need and come back with fresh eyes. You don't need to force yourself to read when you're not feeling up to it, it's not a job. I took a break for like a year once. You'll be able to come back with a fresh mindset.
No.5514
>>5511Try diversifying into BL anime, novels, drama CDs, VNs. It helps.
(Also share you recs in the manga thread
https://fujochan.org/bl/res/3902.html).
No.5515
>>5511It was always hard for me to find BLs to like. I mostly stick to fujo adjacent shows and consume fanart and fics of the hinted ships I like.
No.5516
>>5512NTA, this anthology is so good! Kumota Haruko is a god. Anthologies are a great way to get back into reading BL + discovering new mangaka
No.5519
>>5517Use "popular with friends" instead, it's way closer to the twitter fyp than "discovery"
No.5526
>>5525Could be worse. I have a rarepair where one of the guys only has a dick in like 2 of the porn fics.
Although anon didn't exclude vaginal sex so I don't know what the final numbers actually are.
No.5527
>>5518Honestly thats more than several of my fandoms before even filtering for m/m, the series I'm about to write a fic for has 200+ fics but only 2 m/m
I'd be grateful for 800 something.
No.5528
>>5518Holy shit I always only heard all of you talking about it but never experienced it in person. Is it really that bad? Is this usual?
I am more of a casual fic reader and mostly read Golden Kamuy and Jojo shit that doesn't to have that much of this, at least not the characters I am looking for. I admit I am rather chill when it happens to non-humans like Transformers who are headcanoned as hermaphrodites nowadays, but it's really odd when they do it with humans. Who in Mouthwashing even looks translike? Does this also happen to beefcakes?
No.5529
>>5528>Is it really that bad? Is this usual?Not her, but this is more common in fandoms that are new and skew younger.
No.5530
>>5529Oh that makes sense. Most of the things I am into are at least from the early/mid 10s. There are only two recent series I also like but they have almost no English fics on AO3.
No.5531
>>5529>new and skew youngerLowkey why I don't want any port/remaster for some of my favorite games that are obvious candidates for it when Nintendo's next console hits. The monkey paw curl would turn my graveyards into minefields.
No.5532
>>5529I feel like Bravern is mostly free of them but maybe it depends on how big it is in the west. Bravern is popular but mainly in Asia and the few westerners that love it are on the nerdier side.
I think a series is doomed the moment it goes viral in the west like Mouthwashing. Does Disco Elysium have tranny fics? It's at least as popular as Mouthwashing but I didn't finish the game yet so I avoid fics because of spoilers.
No.5533
>>5531>The monkey paw curl would turn my graveyards into minefields.this is so poetic and so fucking true, i shed a tear
No.5535
>>5532Disco Elysium sadly has a shit ton of tranny fics, even worse is that sometimes they don't even tag them.
I really try to filter them but the lack of care for tagging makes it even harder than it should be.
No.5536
>>5512Thank you. I'll give it a shot. The second story's premise seems like my kind of thing, at least. I also really like psychological stories, which this seems to be. I may just not be in the mood to read anything, but I really appreciate you trying!
>>5513This might be the right answer. It sucks because I want to enjoy things, but it might just not be in the cards right now.
>>5514I'm actually a massive VN fan, and I'd consider it my main medium lol. I actually initially branched out into manga because VNs are not always the most convenient thing to read. I might try to branch out into novels, as well. Thank you for the advice.
>>5515That's a very good way of doing things. I tend to prefer BL media that doesn't sacrifice its story (but still has a pretty good romance). I wish the story and romance were more well-integrated a lot of the time, so I completely understand where you're coming from.
No.5569
how the hell did mouthwashing gain a steven universe fanbase so quickly
No.5584
>>5572I generally blame youtube shitters for every terrible fanbase and shitposter these days. You can notice it on 4chan well if you read between the lines. Haters are often saying shit like "everybody praising this as the best thing ever" or making other statements about fans that literally nobody on 4chan has said. They always have this from youtube. Some e-celeb you never heard of praises something and now the haters of that youtuber will come into the threads to call it "reddit shit" and the fans of said youtuber will watch or play it and realise that they hate it too, but since they want to be part of the mass that likes it they pretend they didn't hate it and were just mad about how fans interpreted it and get mad at them instead.
Fuck youtube, biggest plague of the net and unironically worse than tiktok and facebook, I will die on that hill.
No.5589
>>5569>>5572Every time an edgy niche game gains an obnoxious screeching underage fanbase it's thanks to one of those big streamers with a teenage audience, every time, since the beginning of game streaming. It happened to Slenderman, it happened to FNAF, even recently it happened to Fear and Hunger before Mouthwashing. Youtube funnyman makes a funny video playing the game and it becomes to hot fandom of the month for everyone to sperg over and base the entirety of their fandom on headcanons their peers have because they've only been introduced to it via the filtered Markiplier version instead of discovering it on their own. And it can happen literally overnight and any game can become their next target.
No.5598
>>5509I've settled down about my stuff (again), but I do think I'm gonna consider an alt-account at some point. It does sound nice to have as an option.
No.5606
>>5604>open an r18 fandom discord server>ask where to post my fantasy AU with elves and dragons>get told the headcanon channel where people are talking about girlcock and vaginas and who do they kin from ensemble starsGuys that's not a headcanon what the fuck
>>5584Homothread does this shit too with the bitching at people who bring up anime that has barely gotten discussed or has only been spoken of in a negative light on /a/. They'll just start saying some huge swathe of people are praising it and calling it the best thing ever and falsely advertised it to them and they've been so hurt and betrayed. They're mad at people on some other website. They're furious about some popular western twitter user who has spammed random images with gogoanime.tv printed in the corner and said this is ssooo canon i love them it's for realz gay what a queer icon etc.
No.5609
>>5604I have an anecdote of mine about this. I apologize if I already posted this on FC because I can't remember if it was here or 4chan:
So, I am in a comic fandom. There was a twitter user with cutesy avatar of a guy who is part of a fascist killer commando in the comic. He is cool btw., so I followed her because she draws him as chibi. She does that regularly, uses pastel colors and she talks about headcanons of him. Never very canon related but whatever.
>fast forward TWO yearsI see her getting mad about a mutual posting "comic spoilers". Spoilers of the comic her fav is from. The comic that ended four years earlier. I wonder. Yes, it turns out she never read it. She had all her infos about the series from fans that probably got it from other fans before.
But WAIT, this isn't the punchline yet.
The punchline is that she finally started to read the comic to avoid further spoilers and drama.
And HATED it lmao
She couldn't even finish the first issue so she skipped to the part where her fav appears and realises that he's a actually a fucking villain. So when her followers called him "evil", they actually meant he's evil, not funny lollmao ebil like the fluffy angry cats from your memes.
She sperged about it for a whole day and then nuked her whole account and was never seen again.
It's so funny but also so depressing and unreasonable lol like holy shit. Why do you even GET into anything if you don't care?
No.5610
>>5606>They're mad at people on some other website. They're furious about some popular western twitter user who has spammed random images with gogoanime.tvThis. Yes. It makes me mad because if it triggers them so much then have the balls to tell that to the people in question and not go to 4chan to vent among people who have no fucking idea what they are talking about. I hate the fags that bring twitter drama to /a/ because they're cowards.
And that aside, what kind of bitch do you have to be to be devoid of an own free will anyway? Why do they even give a shit about what others say and watch series because of them? Are they too stupid to notice when they dislike an episode? Just stop watching and develop an own taste.
Holy shit I hate these idiots. Social media and youtube created the dumbest people on earth lol
No.5627
>>5609wow thats hilarious yet incredibly bleak, i couldn't imagine investing this much time and effort (2 YEARS??) into a character I dont even know about. It saddens me how people larp as super fans of a character yet they cant even do the bare minimum of reading up the wiki page to even ~understand~ who they're fawning over. Its even more frustrating when you get your hopes up seeing a fan of a character you also enjoy and try to start conversation about the source material but they draw a blank cause all they know about X Character is the silly shitpost memes from tumblr.
No.5631
>>5609That's really fucking funny. On the bright side I guess they got 2 years of art improvement with their muse. Lucky!
>>5604>i hate sounding like a schizo for actually taking my nerd hobby seriously.Yeah. I've never minded "casual" fans but tertiary fans actively take shits in the pool. I'm hoping the next fandom platform migration (twitter to bluesky) helps shake these lice out.
No.5632
>>5627Yeah they are basically fans of an OC and got merely inspired by a canon work or at least the fan interpretations they've seen of it. It's really strange but so fucking common?
I dunno how it works. Their information about the character must be so fragmentary that I cannot even imagine any cohesive headcanon version of him. Especially because fanworks are very diverse. I drew that guy being lost and blind, someone else drew him cute and playing with his comrades and so on. How do you even form an exact image of him lol
I swear sometimes I wish wikias and shillers didn't exist to keep these people out. I am so tired that every game and comic fandom is full of these people.
No.5650
>>5609This is insane. I don't get how anyone could ever become like that.
No.5652
>>5650Me neither. She drew a lot so it's not like she was just pretending to like it because it was trendy.
For me love is all about nuances. You could have talked to me about my favs that I am obsessed with before I engaged with their story and I wouldn't have cared until I see it with my own eyes. It's all about dialogues, gestures and the behavior and none of this will be mentioned in wikias or youtube opinions.
I recently had an argument with a fan who claimed reading the wikias of an episode/issue was enough. No? This isn't a story it's a summary. How can people not discern between factual summaries and experience? Does a war you experience feel the same as reading about it as rich first world kid? No it isn't. But this is how stupid they sound.
I have a personal beef with these fans tbh lol because some of my favorite ships are unpopular for the sole reason because people refuse to read the canon. They don't have much screentime so all of the gay content and cool shit about them comes from nuances and short scenes that aren't important enough to make it into wikias.
No.5656
>>5652>all of the gay content and cool shit about them comes from nuances and short scenes that aren't important enough to make it into wikias.OMG HEAVILY THIS!! I have a rarepair that gets ridiculed for being a really "random" pairing, and while they've only met once or twice in canon, they have extremely similar narratives where one ended up doing good because of his tragic past while the other turned to a life of crime to avenge it.
This is easily overlooked because one character is considered comic relief, and both characters are used as props to ship the more conventionally attractive and popular character that most fans are aware of because of fanart/edits.
I try to give the latter shipss some grace but its just…. you can clearly tell "fans" are only making ship content of it because one is the safe wholesome adult character ship whereas the other is the daddy dom problematic ship. either way both only exist to "look good" and dont have a deeper narrative besides filling a trope.