No.5288[Last 50 Posts]
Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
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>>861 No.5291
>>5288I hate being the type of fujo that doesn't like romance series so I stick to seinen, shounen and original anime which is fine per se, but unless it's a pure sausage fest that filters 100% of all otaku you always have to share the threads with loud, aggressive coomers and their stupid harem and loli rape fantasies and aren't allowed to post freely about fujo shit since it might trigger them.
Big KUDOS to creators of series like Golden Kamuy and Bravern that filter these shitters hard. The only threads I genuinely enjoy posting into outside of FC.
No.5296
Maybe not a fujo-specific concern, but I hate that doujinshi culture never really took off for English speakers. I buy and enjoy zines, but it'd be cool to purchase more physical fancomics.
No.5297
>>5296I feel the exact same way. I'm making my own right now (slowly) but I would like to by some from others myself… I personally just find them cooler.
No.5298
Not really a vent. I wish there was more thriller/horror movies about men kidnapping men, caging them in basement or bedroom with collars on their neck/limb. The amount of women in basement trope should be balanced with equally pretty guys. Where even to find them???
No.5299
I wish I could go back to 2016/2017 and assassinate whoever invented the pro/anti discourse so that I can ship my beautiful anime boys in peace without having to worry about teenagers sending me death threats. Take me back to the times where everything wasn't so black and white and when everything didn't have labels or names.
No.5300
>>5296I know I can just make my own doujin and post it on the internet but the social aspect of printing your work of passion and selling it at a con and meeting other people who like your work, as well as browsing other people's work, is what I wish I could experience.
The fact that most doujins are never reprinted or put online and stay physical only and limited to the eyes of a few people though, that's the only part I don't like. I would happily put all of mine online when they were done selling, but most people don't do that.
No.5304
>>5296God this. I wish I could participate in non-English zine events they are way less toxic and annoying and I want to see different cultures and people. I am German but participated in a Russian zine event some years ago and it had TOP tier artist. Way better roster than the US ones. So many talented people we motivated each other and two fans and I ended up drawing three artworks instead of one because that's how fun it was even though we could barely communicate.
I want this more often. Maybe it's just my fandoms but I have the issue that US artists either simply DON'T EXIST for the series I love even if it's a big hit in Asia or the English artists largely suck ass. Like I am sorry I don't want to be mean. But you know the "tumblr style" meme? It's mainly this.
No.5305
>>5296Printing services in the US aren't as accesible like japanese printing services are, they want to treat you like a renowed magazine/book publisher with a MOQ of 100 copies instead of just being able to have 10 copies to bring to a con.
Zines are kind of treated as "products", in which you need to have so many "mods" and "finances" and whatever else compared to Doujinshi which can be low-effort and printed in very low quantities, but it's a 'everyone can do it' sort of thing. Zines tend to build cliques around them or that you must be a well-known artist/writer to participate which goes against what Doujinshi are imo.
No.5306
>>5299I remember how Ovan/Haseo were the first characters I actively shipped and drew and I sometimes wonder if I would have gotten shit for it if it wasn't 2007-2009 because Ovan was an adult of 26 years and Haseo 17 at the beginning. I am even convinced that they made him turn 18 in the games on purpose so that you can ship him with adults without issue but he's way less mature than Ovan so the age gap feels bigger and I bet this would have been an issue for antis, especially since Ovan was playing the role of the backstabber and antagonist for most of the story.
>>5301I wish doujinshi and merch buying was easier and wouldn't always need you to resort to a forwarder and type in a Japanese address and all that shit.
Ordering from Mandarake is so chill because you don't need to do it but they only sell second hand dj.
No.5307
>>5296I wish every LCS in America had a section for "fandom" stuff and could double as a fandom/fujo gathering place. I also like to buy zines but I have so few because like
>>5304 says the collaborative nature of them means there could be an artist or two you don't like (also they are way more expensive/involved than jp doujins like
>>5305 says, so I can't buy them willy-nilly). There have been a lot more indie books/comics/games in the past decade and I hope that opens up doors for cheaper physical print for everybody. IIRC selling doujins at/around cost is what keeps them safe in that grey area.
No.5308
>>5307>I wish every LCS in America had a section for "fandom" stuff and could double as a fandom/fujo gathering placeNow this would be an idea to keep these things from dying. Not America but there is a nearby Yu-gi-Oh fan place that was formerly a merchandising shop which is very popular and full of YGO fans that meet there every day to play cards. Imagine something fujos but combined with a manga/comic store.
One of our manga shops has a second floor with a few seats and you always see people chilling there and talking, but it's too small for a group.
Anyway I absolutely want fandom stuff. There was a shop here that sold some doujinshi once but it closed ages ago and I in manga shops I strangely only saw a Made in Abyss fan anthology so far. They should do this with other series.
No.5311
>>5291as much as it annoys me to be in the same proximity as them, i do get some sick vindictive joy out of pissing off scrotes who whine about fujos ruining everything but have no issue with ooc hentai slop of their waifus; shipping is only bad if it doesnt make their dick hard it seems. i especially love telling them to eat shit rather than act meek like they expect and call out them out for their shallow tastes of the media they vehemently 'defend' from the fujoshi menace (when said fujoshi menace invests more time and care into the show)
I
will draw your self projection badass mc taking dick up the ass and moaning like a girl, seethe and kys
stupid moid.
No.5326
>>5311I get it. If you think about it, when you live rent free in someone's brain you hold power over that person.
No.5331
>>5311It's a good attitude. They need more backlash that is just obvious enough to convey the message but not extreme enough to derail.
It's almost comical how bad their characters usually are. Even canonically. Most mangaka that write a girl into a story for fanservice don't waste a single thought on her personality, they are never written as characters but cardboard cutouts to pacify coomers. So it annoys me how easy they are attracted because otaku have zero standards. It just has to have a female body and maybe a personality that isn't too masculine to distract or confuse them and they coom and cry WAIFU.
Compare that to fujos where even most actual fujo shows flop because they sparkling bishounen weren't charismatic enough. And then you get some absolute weirdo that nobody expected to blow up and he's the hit because he's written in a way that you would even love him if he was a grandma (albeit not sexually).
It's frustrating because you don't have to put any effort into writing women because the stupid fanbase doesn't need it they mainly care about pictures.
When I am into a series with mixed cast today and google art it's always 80%+ men drawn by fujos and the rest is almost without exception AI trash or template coomer art with off-model and OOC characters with ahegao cumming to the penis of some fat faceless dude lmao
Why can't men ship? At least draw art of the girl having sex with the male MC wtf is the problem?
No.5332
>>5331>Why can't men ship? At least draw art of the girl having sex with the male MC wtf is the problem?Even when they do draw a canon male with a waifu they usually give him the faceless mob treatment. The ugly bastard fetish is about humiliation/corruption kink. It's not like faceless mob ojisans or monsters raping male characters doesn't exist but it's more common with fujos who are hardcore into a specific guy bottoming. I think most men just don't care about a relationship dynamic and only want to see the waifu getting fucked. If they ship her it's with the guy they selfinsert as, but they don't care about their actual relationship other than maybe some generic housewife domestic life as a leadin to sex. Lots of dudes with impregnation kink but never thinking about how they will raise their ten+ kids or make the cash to support them.
No.5337
>>5333Straight male yurifags who don't want any men involved are the rarest kind, I think. Most commonly you get the guy who just wants a threesome with the two girls, or is only interested in yuri if it's futa, i.e, if there's a dick involved. They're pretty much a direct parallel to 'fujos' who exclusively read and write PiV.
No.5339
>>5337>Straight male yurifags who don't want any men involved are the rarest kindHot take but I think actual full on yurifag men are kinda gap moe (could just be from reading this manga though)
>or is only interested in yuri if it's futaI honestly think this one is the most common nowadays kek.
No.5340
>>5339I agree it's moe, I think the obsession with guys being 'cucks' over liking yuri seems like a very western thing and Japanese men might be less likely to have the same hangups. There have been plenty of big male dominated yuri fandoms like Touhou but all the western fandom yuri stuff is made by women as far as I've seen.
No.5341
>>5340I think it's some weird projection thing, a lot of guys (and some girls) who call yurifags cucks also call fujos cucks for the same reason.
No.5342
>>5340>>5341Cuckshit in general seems pretty western. You never see the east whine about ntr save the few that go global like that one Love and deepspace drama with the bl ban or when some gacha incels went apeshit over their waifu talking to another man. Personally, I never liked ntr apart from a few edge cases but the amount of westerners seething over this shit made me realize why the few yurifags that do exist end up trooning out. They're black and white receptors can't perceive nuance so therefore they must be a girl in order to like yuri–sounds retarded but that's my guess.
No.5343
>>5341It's always self-inserters doing this. Whenever I talk to someone who holds this viewpoint, they call fujos/yurifags cucks on the basis of…us not wanting to self-insert and make the romance revolve around ourselves. They're genuinely unable to understand how to engage with fiction without warping it around your own self. They can't even fathom being an observer, so they equate it to cuckoldry.
No.5344
>>5342Japan maybe (though even then I've seen them drop games when they start pandering more to a demographic they don't like), Chinese people definitely complain about that though.
>They're black and white receptors can't perceive nuance so therefore they must be a girl in order to like yuri–sounds retarded but that's my guess.It tracks. If your mind is already that schizo then trooning out probably seems like a good idea.
>>5343It's so weird to me, I get that some people ALWAYS need to self insert in a piece of media but to then write off people who don't need to self insert in everything they read/watch as cucks? What are they on kek.
No.5348
>>5342>>5344I believe it's because of there is still a stigma with cartoons in many western countries. I witnessed a lot of anons and casual anime/cartoon watchers telling me that they wouldn't watch a serious anime because they watch anime for different reasons than live action. They take the latter seriously, but nothing that is animated.
It baffled me at first, but I heard so many saying this that I must accept that's a common thing. And it explains a LOT.
Most of these people basically claim that 2D can never be good, so you watch it for wish-fulfillment, "ironic" fun or as guilty pleasure trash the same way normalfags are watching horrible casting shows. Fanservice, dumb jokes and other bullshit. I believe that self-insert fags are a similar type, albeit nerdier.
They only view anime as quick way to pacify one specific urge, like how hentai doesn't need a story, it only has to help you getting off. They deem shit like self-insert pandering the sole purpose of anime, so they get mad if they didn't get served what they allegedly ordered. And they think everybody else was the same as them, because they cannot imagine that some people out there are actually taking anime and comics seriously.
No.5353
>>5299Same. Everything gradually got worse around 2014/2015 in fandoms but then the internet as a whole became unbearable in 2016 because of the US elections and it never got better.
>>5301I plan yet another trip to Japan next summer but after that I'll stop for a few years because that's expensive, even with the weak yen. What's annoying me the most is that now that I finally make money and the pandemic is fully over it's not possible to buy anything on toranoana with visa anymore. So when I wanted money to indulge in my hobbies I was broke and now that I'm not broke anymore I can't even buy things I want anyway.
>I wanna to import raws.Buying digital copies of manga online in Japanese could be a cheap option with the weak yen, depending on what currency you have. I don't do it because I don't feel like spending money on a e-reader but sometimes I consider it just so I can have less physical books.
No.5356
>>5355>Do you ever feel like someone has it out for you in anonymous threadsPeople already feel more comfortable being negative behind an internet screenname so being anonymous turns that feeling up to 11 for some.
No.5358
>>5355On anonymous boards it's usually one sperg that just seethes about a show or the fact that it's popular for some reason. Like you couldn't make Vinland Saga threads on /a/ for a year or so because some asshole was so dedicated to shit it up that it turned into a dumpster fire quickly. It's often the same person when you witness that.
I am honestly surprised that I never got hate for liking the wrong character designs though because the guys I like are usually ugly or weird as shit. Like actually weird, not some ikemen with scar or something kek
No idea how someone can be offended over a design though. I can only assume it's a rival shipper or someone that is mad about the popularity of a certain character within the fandom they/she frequent(s), but they way you talk about it makes it sounds like they don't even know it. Maybe mad about the popularity of your show then?
No.5361
>>5355I rarely get mean replies, even when I post something that's debatable or probably TMI
Not sure how much of it is luck, liking things no one else has strong feelings about, phrasing, or if my taste really is just That Good, but it's nice to not get ragged on
Maybe someone assumed from your tastes that you're someone they personally know and dislike, and are just vendettaposting? Idk
No.5363
>>5358I always thought the Vinland mess was more than one guy, considering how many threads are just "grrr feminism bad grrrr pacifism is for babies". In my case I can't imagine it's one person either, unless one of them forgot for five years and suddenly remembered.
All three series were ones that you can count the English speaking fanbase on one hand (far as I know). In one it's literally three people, so forgive me if I don't name them because it'd be super easy to find my posts. As for the "ugly" designs - it's always just regular anime guys? They're typical ikemen with a variety of hair lengths, wearing suits or hoodies, that sort of thing. You can see how I find it confusing. It's like taking a random Bungo Stray Dogs image and going "gross I can't watch this" because they're… guys? In clothing?
Honestly I think if it was freaky aliens or robots people would leave it alone or I'd at least understand what they meant. You have a good mental shield when you can tell it's an unusual design. When you think there's nothing wrong with something and people give these vague negatives it just leads to doubt.
>>5361I don't get ragged on frequently myself (though the fellow fujos calling stuff ugly thing does happen every so often), that's why this week stood out as strange. Ah. Fuck, I think I might have just landed on an answer, lol.
No.5371
I wish the few fujos that I encounter on 4chan still really just started using /cm/ more as a discussion board. It won't hurt you if you make a small little post about something without an image attached.
The imagedump nature of /cm/ is nice and all but it's been almost like, what? nearly 20 years?
It's not gonna change to make a fujo friendly board, pretty sure all the gayshit boards are still up by sheer miracle so the most nonnas can do is at least attempt to discuss things.
The evafags have done well with this but the ones into very niche things never really end up talking…
No.5372
>>5363>Honestly I think if it was freaky aliens or robots people would leave it alone or I'd at least understand what they meant. You have a good mental shield when you can tell it's an unusual design. When you think there's nothing wrong with something and people give these vague negatives it just leads to doubt.Yeah I noticed that lovers of weird, deformed men usually don't get hate. Maybe they are too far removed from anything otaku can identify with or fap to (unlike femboys or shota) and women that aren't into them usually just ignore it. I have seen like one asking how everybody could be into Tsukishima for being so damn ugly lol, but in that case she just asked it because he's insanely popular.
I find it weird, but if it's really an ikemen from a show with small fandom I can only imagine that there is some small active hater circle that dislike him for some very specific reason. It's easier to say "ugly as shit" then to mention WHAT it is that they dislike because the latter might reveal who they are or bring in fandom drama. They might simply hate him because they had a beef with a fan of him years ago.
Sorry deleted the other post for some confusing typos.
No.5373
>>5371>nearly 20 yearsNah the conversation bans started back in 2008ish, before that discussion was allowed. Technically mods never rescinded that rule but it was also never written anywhere except the sticky, which was gone by 2010 so I guess it's been 14 years?
There's been a few fandoms migrated from /a/ or /vg/ that I've joined on there, but every time either everyone disappears over the years or you get a couple months in and one really loud shitter starts attacking everyone who doesn't share their taste in ships. I bitched about it here before but the Trigun threads had some uppity idiot who would accuse anyone posting KnivesxWolfwood art of being an anti coward who was trying to ruin their incest pairing, even though we tried to tell them that most KnivesXWolfwood AUs involved threesomes, we just couldn't post the literal porn on /cm/. It ended up a No Wolfwood Allowed zone when decent non-black top scars Wolfwood was much needed.
What gets me is that /cm/ since the exodus is always full of people who don't sound like channers much and have strange takes I've never heard of. When the regulars of one thread left I found myself some months later sat with someone who was talking about a ship conspiracy that "corporate was forcing down our throats", which I had never even noticed before (they're literally just main characters, are they not allowed to interact?), nor seen discussed in that way on 4chan ever. They didn't have the sense of humor the old threads carried and their opinions were really shallow? They didn't have much to say when they did speak, and they shared images with pininterest filenames and nothing to say about why they liked them. I have continued to make comments here and there about what I'm posting or the newest updates to the series, but nobody converses and I feel disconnected. The only ones that feel worth talking to are still fresh from /a/ or /m/.
No.5374
>>5371I made the same complaint some weeks ago. Fully agree. It's not against the rules as long as you post a pic to accompany the text.
I always try to incite dialogue but in most threads there is maybe one person that reacts, the rest comes, ignores everything posted, dumps 20 pics of their OTP and leaves. They only make the thread reach the image limit faster without any sort of benefit. Nowadays you don't to search much for the art anymore. The newest pics posted are usually the ones you see the second you open twitter. It was harder to collect art decades ago when you had to find all these obscure fujo fan shrine pages first, back then art dumps actually helped me.
Considering that you never get discussions on /a/ it would be cool if you at least had a slower thread on /cm/ then but no.
>The evafags have done well with this The Bravern threads too. It's lively fan talks with pics where anons even link sources and doujinshi and such. Would be cool if all threads would be like that.
>They didn't have the sense of humor the old threads carried and their opinions were really shallow?I also feel like they're full of the bad sort of coomer. Not sure if they are males but it doesn't matter. They cannot discuss ships or plot, they only like the types of characters you casually see /a/nons cumming to saying "not gay" and a lot of art is solo art, convincing me further that it's just some dudes posting sfw molestation of their favorite schoolboy and some invisible man.
> I have continued to make comments here and there about what I'm posting or the newest updates to the series, but nobody converses and I feel disconnected.Same. I feel this. I won't stop doing it but I wish it would help.
If nonnas are seeing this thread don't be shy to use /cm/!!
No.5379
>>5371I have given up on /cm/ a while ago because half of the threads I visited had at least one idiot dumping 50 pics of her/his husbando at once and flood the thread with it. It's usually characters I don't even like, which make it worse. So I find a pic, think it's cool enough to share and even have an idea what to say, only to realise that the NEW thread already reached the image limit again with 0 discussions because some sperg thinks it was their personal image folder.
They also apparently don't give a shit about double posting or even visited the old threads. It can happen that you post something someone else already posted in an earlier thread that's dead now. But if you literally just post the first 100 danbooru fanarts of a series again and again you are an asshole. Especially if it's a slow board like /cm/ where you additionally killing other threads.
No.5383
>>5371>I wish the few fujos that I encounter on 4chan still really just started using /cm/ more as a discussion boardYou're very rude. We have this entire site for that. Just leave that wretched place already - was the 15-min long wait before you can make a post not enough for you? 4chan is over.
No.5385
>>5383I second your point, I dont see the point in trying to change a board culture that has remained stagnant for almost 2 decades when we have an entire site open and prime for discussion. If theyre discouraged because the site is too slow of course its going to remain so if you dont encourage the 4chan fujos to post here instead.
No.5391
How do you all talk on twitter or something? I want to talk but I am too paranoid to say anything. Not even because of antis, I am pretty safe of them but because I feel like even super nice people will misinterpret me.
Like I want to comment on some artwork and just say "This is even cooler than the scene from the manga!" and I mean it but then people might get offended that I implied that the manga scene wasn't good or something. So I can't post it. So I have to explain and this already makes me tired so I click it away again and leave a Like.
I have experience this in real life too. No matter what I say everytime someone hears something I didn't say, misreads between lines and sees implications that don't exist.
It's different on image boards. People actually read what I say here. Though I noticed a decline on /a/ in that regard which further convinces me that most users come from socmedia these days and aren't used to good old honest discussions.
No.5392
>>5391You're probably overthinking it. Most people aren't going to read that much into what you tweet. 99% of having a sane experience on Twitter is curating a sane following of individuals anyway. As long as your mutuals aren't the trigger-happy callout type you'll be fine. Just avoid anyone who often gets into drama or starts shit with people 24/7. You can tell by looking at their TL if they mainly talk about their interests with their friends or spend half of their day rage QRTing others.
No.5393
>>5383I understand nonna because there are at least two series I am fan of that seem to have no other fans on FC yet, so I abstain from talking about them unless I casually bring them up in a favorite-character thread or something.
I try to make FC livelier but I don't want to samefag or post too much if a thread is slow, so at least for now I still need another board to post at even though I am mainly talking to myself there since /cm/ sucks and its threads are often slower FC.
rl;dr let's make FC livelier it's /cm/ in good
No.5396
>>5393Maybe we need to make a thread on /site/ for people to post a fandom they've thought about making an /f/ thread for and seeing if anyone says they'll talk on it. It'd be better than making a bunch of empty threads for small fandoms, and we could discuss consolidating topics where possible for the longevity of a thread. You never know if there's other fans out there who are keeping to themselves too.
No.5397
>>5396We could also make a "What are you currently reading" thread, similar to the currently watching thread.
Or vaguely defined manga threads like "historical manga" or "old manga (before 2000 or something)". The general manga threads are among my favorites on /a/ nowadays because they attract a wider range of anons and most of them are oldfags and niche fags that read the good shit.
No.5398
>>5397A historical manga thread sounds awesome, I really need to find more.
No.5399
>>5398Yeah history stuff is great. I am deeply into it in real life so there is that. But on top of my hobby it's also nice that most historical manga are sausage fests, so there is a high chance of finding two dudes with good chemistry and a lot of screentime together.
Orb getting all that fujo fanart right now is the best example of history manga attracting fujos even if there is no obvious pandering.
No.5401
>>5400>even better that it's basically ignored by westernersIs that some general history issue? I noticed the lack of interest with Elusive Samurai and for how huge Golden Kamuy is in Asia it's also comically irrelevant in the west, at least regarding art. It has quite many fics but I only ever saw a single western artist for it kek
Not sure about Vinland Saga. I think that one's fanbase is more balanced but Bravern comes into my mind when I think about it. Not history, but strange discrepancy between the west and the east. One of the biggest fujo hypes in Japan but crickets here. Not counting /a/ and FC, since we're special places.
On the one hand lack of western hype is good since it means the fanbase is chiller and you avoid ugly art and drama. But on the other side it can sometimes be frustrating if you want to talk about a series and don't speak Chinese or Japanese. Especially if you are into a manga without anime adaption.
No.5402
>>5401I don't think the pandemic anime fans (majority of westerners at this point) ever watch something that isn't fed to them by the algorithm. They aren't real fans. If they don't see people hyping it up on their feeds they don't bother even if you personally shill it to them. They don't care about the actual stories or experience of anime, they just want something they can meme and shoot the shit about with friends. This excludes anything that isn't already popular. Even in the past, of course we had the juggernaut shonen fandoms that were bigger than anything else, but niche shows still picked up fandoms because fans were more likely to judge based off the story and not the size of the fandom. I don't think modern fans even look at seasonal charts. That's my theory at least.
No.5403
>>5391>How do you all talk on twitter or something?I don't. I deleted my account ages ago and suggest you do the same.
If you're asking this question, it means that Twitter and the rest of social media are worse places to interact with people than image boards. You know, places like 4chan - ~~ThE WoRsT SiTe oN tHe iNtErNeT~~. Really makes you think.
>people might get offendedThe entire point of social media - faking outrage and capitalising on it.
>No matter what I say everytime someone hears something I didn't say, misreads between lines and sees implications that don't exist. Very Cultural Revolution by design.
>>5401>Bravern comes into my mind when I think about it. Not history, but strange discrepancy between the west and the east. One of the biggest fujo hypes in Japan but crickets hereNon-Japanese fans are often allergic to mecha. Only Gundam got popular, and perhaps a couple of shows that were not just 'big, silly robots', like NGE, Code Geass.
No.5404
>>5402>If they don't see people hyping it up on their feeds they don't bother even if you personally shill it to themI hate this because it happens to me. Ages old loose friends that watched the same seasonal shit as me in the past won't listen to me anymore because Instagram doesn't talk about my AOTS. I stopped talking to them tbh I am not willing to pretend I loved Dandadan and whatever Instashit is hyping up (and I actually watched the first episodes) and keep quiet about the series I love because the algorithm isn't recommending them.
>I don't think modern fans even look at seasonal charts.I realised that on 4chan recently. Someone was asking for recs of good recent anime. I mentioned the charts and it turned into an argument because they didn't know what I meant with "chart" and didn't understand when I explained it.
I can't even imagine it. I remember that one of the very first anime related things I ever googled in 2002 I think was a fan translated seasonal chart of that season or year. I remember noting down the series that looked interesting to download them with kazaa or whatever it was if I find subs.
No.5405
>>5403> I deleted my account ages ago and suggest you do the same. I don't want to go that far it's the only place for me to post my fanart. I hate tumblr and the other socmedia places are trash and I already have 2k followers.
It's just that I feel weird for only posting art and never saying anything. Maybe it's for the better, but it's still annoying if you are fan of series with 0 other western fans so the only other enjoyers you encounter are Asians on twitter.
No.5406
>>5383>You're very rude.[autistic confusion]
NTA but how is a wish and commentary on the state of a board meant for a certain kind of discussion where it was made to go, rude?
No.5408
>>5406I don't know, it's like writing a company that you prefer the exact same product offered by their competitor. And you're forcing /cm/ into what it originally never was too (it was a board strictly for pic dumping) - then lament why you can't bend that board into your liking. You'll have better luck convincing Hiroshima to make a manhwa&manhua board.
>>5404>because Instagram doesn't talk about my AOTSCan't believe Instagram became a get-go place for anime recs. Just…bizarre.
No.5409
>shonen manga starts, gets like 10 volumes in one or two years
>bl manga isn't a one shot, has one volumes released every two years on average
I don't have a reaction image to describe how much I hate it here.
No.5410
>>5409Shounen magazines can afford assistants for the mangaka and drawing the manga is probably the mangaka's only job. BL is niche, so I presume, many authors have side jobs or create manga in their free time.
No.5411
>>5410I know that in theory but it's been so long since I followed the release of a shonen manga that it hit me like a truck when I did some housework and realised that JJK will have 30 volumes in total, MHA will have like 40 volumes but correct me if I'm wrong, and yet a series like Acid Town is still not over and way shorter despite beginning earlier. It doesn't apply to just bl, thinking about how both series started and ended during Nana's hiatus makes me feel old as hell.
No.5415
>>5409I am a seinen fag I am used to mangaka like Miura or Tsukushi and their two chapters by year.
It rarely happens that I read a weekly series but when I do I usually read it in bunches twice a year because weekly releases are too fucking fast for me I am not used to it
No.5416
>>5414The only thing I know about Mouthwashing is the amount of people on twitter who keep yelling about this guy and how bad it is to ship him because people must not know how bad he is. I'm not surprised it would push artists away who don't want to deal with the mob. You need to wait for the hype to die down and the clout chasers to move onto the next indie game, or pray that something better than twitter pops up for fandom.
No.5417
>>5414I feel this because I am a massive fan of a guy that 98% of the fandom hates so much they're comparing him real life fascists, nazis, Trump and others and most even claim that he's supposed to be a direct representation of either Trump or far-righters in general.
Never gave a shit and just kept drawing him. To my huge surprise I never got any hate for it even though the fandom is rather huge, I've never blocked anybody and I have more than 1k followers on twatter so I am not completely obscure.
Maybe it only works for me, but I just ignore all discourses within the fandom and just keep drawing art that I try to make as pretty as I can to shill my favorites, retweet and do nothing else. I don't talk on twitter, maybe that helps. My only text posts are the comments for my art when I post some and me thanking people that comment on it or praise other artists.
tl;dr use twitter addons that switch off algorithms, don't follow discourse fags, ignore haters and go full out to post and draw what you like.
Haters and antis are AFRAID of self-confidence. So do everything you do happily and self-confidently. They will come at you if you seem insecure about liking something.
No.5418
>>5414>>5417I'm using so many plugins I never see an anti unless someone I follow is posting a tweet of them or I'm trying to find art in English and guaranteed, I will see one shitting their pantsu about how problematic blah blah
Honestly glad Mouthwashing gained traction in JP artist circles because antis actually never. I routinely post fucked up ship takes on my own twitter which inadvertently attracts like minded writers. Never got an anti in my inbox either.
No.5434
>>5408>forcing /cm/ into what it originally never was too (it was a board strictly for pic dumping)Did you know /cm/ used to have a mock magazine? I made it with a friend who ran some of the board's IRC groups. The headlines would all be related to arguments and discussions that had happened on the board that month, though admittedly it was biased towards fandoms we were in. Look up board archives from the 00s, we were idiots but we chattered constantly. What nona is missing is the old culture of the board, from its origin. I don't think that could ever replace FC's wordiness.
>>5414I haven't tried it yet but I was shocked how quickly all these kids jumped ship from spamming Alien Stage comparisons in every fandom to posting about Mouthwashing all over. I haven't been in contact with younger fandom in some time so maybe this is real normal, but it was like watching a massive school of fish change direction suddenly. No obvious instigator, just change.
No.5445
When you're looking for yaoi of a niche franchise you like and it's either old art that was lost in the archives or never saved, or when you're looking for yaoi of even a popular franchise you like and someone just spams mpreg and vore art in the tags
No.5449
>tfw you're so obsessed with a ship that you are too busy thinking about them 24/7 to do anything else
It's good but it's also bad.
No.5454
>>5445>someone just spams mpreg and vore art in the tagshow it feels to use rule 34 as a last resort for niche content but all there is are degenerate western fetish art….
No.5458
>BL manga i like got a 24K hit tweet
joewari da…
No.5459
>>5434Both Alien Stage and Mouthwashing got taken over by the moral police. The former are from yuri fans who keep bitching about yaoi and fujos, the latter also bitching about yaoi and fujos and reminding people that bad man is bad. Younger people do nothing in fandoms but police people now.
No.5461
>>5459>>5459I think I'm done with trying to jump into discussion.
There's no age rating on the steam page. At least last I checked it. So minors are flooding the fandom on top of watching screamtubers. Kids sure love their gore.
Fascinates them.
So it's like they're magnetized while us old folks who know it's just a drawing have to put up with 'jumbalaya' and 'people who ship these characters make me uncomfortable.'
>tfw chan thinks my post is automatedI've had to reword and re-format this so sorry if it looks weird, what even is this.
No.5462
>>5461Call me shizo but I bet money that almost none of the fandom cops have even played it. I am part of a game and a bigger comic fandom and at least there 90% of the antis haven't even engaged with the story the way they should have.
Most of them have their knowledge about canon from other fans and discord fan talks, wikia summaries, fics or (at best) outtakes from the games on youtube.
Underaged would play Mouthwashing regardless of age rating since nobody ever cared about that. But I doubt that many have played it to begin with. These people only latch onto popular stuff in an attempt to insert OCs or try to stay relevant.
I am genuinely surprised that series like Made in Abyss and some other problematic ones I enjoy are free of these people. They really only listen to algorithms and it just happens that their instagram/twitter circle didn't recommend these stories to them.
No.5464
>>5462>Made in Abyss and some other problematic ones I enjoy are free of these people.In the case of Made in Abyss it is "protected" by such a large chud/chud-adjacent loli/shotacon population that fancops are scared of retaliation. If something has enough unhinged male fans on social media, it is "safe" from the kind of harassment fujos regularly face.
No.5465
>>5464Oh this is a good point. This is it. It also explains the other series that are free of them. Even without kids they're all full of menhera, naked dudes and other gay ecchi stuff or problematic content. They only dare to try to hijack fandoms that are perceived as nice or fandoms with a lower percentage of [problematic group] otherwise they're scared.
Only showing once more that instead of staying silent people have to post their fujo art of problematic men.
I noticed that obvious unhinged accounts rarely get antis either. I post fanart with gore, metaphors for suicide or ships of the worst men of the franchises I am into and despite that there are antis in the fandom they avoid me like the plague. Never give in, never give them any attention.
No.5466
I genuinely believe that 95% of all anti and fandom cop sperging gets triggered by a simple fear or disgust of sex. This is why gayness is even more problematic than het, because it's less common and feels even raunchier to a 18yo puritan that wasn't even allowed to touch the playboy or watch an ecchi anime in their teens.
I forgot what fandom it was but around a year ago I googled some huge drama I've heard about to observe what kind of people are involved and how they behave (for SCIENCE). And it was basically all retarded teens and 20yos shipping themselves but losing their shit if the shipping was ROMANTIC. Only friendship shipping.
The characters they shipped were all some twinky teenager blobs and they did dog piling and call outs and aggressive mob attacks against fans that hinted sexual feelings like drawing a character blushing or some shit. It was insane.
I remember reading a bunch of long twitter threads that tried to explain how fucking evil and abusive it was ship such characters romantically and how viewing a 17yo as character with sex drive was pedophilia and a lot of other insane takes. Wish I screenshotted it or remembered the fandom.
Shit made me realise that I am happy to not share their taste. Based on the characters they like they would never go near the kinds of series I enjoy. Thank god.
No.5468
>>5466>This is why gayness is even more problematic than het, because it's less common and feels even raunchier to a 18yo puritanDon't underestimate bogstandard homophobia, a lot of people still just think gay = buttsex and buttsex = gross, especially selfinserters who don't want to see their husbando taking it in the ass but can't say that outright. They might be fine with him taking it in the vag though kek
No.5469
>>5467worse
comments bashing Jimmy on JP accounts where the artist doesn't even speak English. Undoubtedly machine translating and getting what they may think is hate towards them.
JP artists know about fandom antis so at the very least they usually do not engage, but I hate to see it.
No.5470
>>5469>>5467It's really annoying how people can't just enjoy a genuinely evil and terrible character and have to say all these buzzword phrases to justify enjoying him in fanworks, just enjoy the toxic yaoi you don't have to virtue signal in the artists comments so everyone knows you hate bad people or whatever
No.5471
>>5469was chuckling when i saw a bunch of jp fans who think jimmy didn't rape anya and were sad about eng fans being mean at him.
they really live on a different dimension lol
No.5478
>>5466Oh, for sure. I was an "anti" before antis were a thing and I was aged 13, way too young and autistic to understand sex stuff and the nuance with erotica. I was going around telling adult artists that they're icky perverts and they just laughed me off because social media cancellation parties didn't exist back then. It was 100% me being exposed to these spaces at a way too young age and in retrospect I appreciate all the adult women who told me to fuck off because today adult men in those same spaces probably wouldn't resist the temptation to add me on discord and start their grooming tactics.
No.5479
>>5478Sure but everybody browsed or stumbled upon NSFW with 13 so I don't think that these antis are "just kids". I would have never even considered talking to the adults posting porn let alone telling them to stop it because I didn't like it when I was 12-13. Nowadays I honestly associate this attitude with US Americans. I am not sure if I am right, but 95% of the antis and call out crazies I witnessed were from that one country so I assume that people fuck up raising their kids properly there. So many of them think they owned the world and have no qualms oversharing and imposing their will onto others. We could reduce antis to a minimum if it was possible to range-block this one country, I am sure of it.
To me nsfw galleries didn't even feel forbidden. I was just anxious over sexual things back then, so I clicked it away when I saw it. Later, with 14, I SECRETLY looked at it, telling myself I didn't enjoy it LMAO
I think I can thank my one fujo friend that openly enjoyed porn and telling me it's cool when we were 14. Anyway, yeah talking back helps. But I wish we could find the root of the problem. It's not kids being online, it's a behavioral issue (I still blame evangelical fundamentalism for it, at least indirectly).
No.5480
I hate the lack of figures of male characters and the complete lack of merch of male characters that aren't bishounen.
It's comical how often it happens that you get a series where 90% of the characters are male, where the five or so most popular characters are male and they still try to shove merch of the waifu side character down everybody's throat and might sometimes give up if it doesn't sell like hot cakes.
Sometimes it happens that they realise which characters and fanbases actually matter, but it takes time and it's not guaranteed to happen in the first place. I think one of the more comical experiences was Bravern of all things getting merch for the girls at the beginning. The show couldn't be any more homosexual but some exec really thought "yeah sell merch of this girl with one minute of screentime per episode" (nothing against them, the girls are great, but not my point). It's especially enraging with other series though where the girls are nothing but cardboard cutouts that are just written into the series to force in some cheap fanservice or be the waifu of someone else.
No.5493
when westoids on Pixiv who upload to BL tags don't tag their landmines like cuntboy and 女体化 (female version of male character) it makes me want to delete the internet. I didn't come to the fumuke category to see tranny shit
No.5497
>>5493> PixivIt's over. Has been since they integrated English language use. All my favorite artists left. R18 is just Fanbox ads. And worse, JP artists don't re-upload their work elsewhere. They delete everything forever and will quit the entire internet.
So now, my search results per series are horrible 3D render het porn, or badly drawn brownwashing
No.5498
>>5493Pixiv went to shit when they made an English version of it in 2014? IMO. It was coincidentally also the time when Japanese artist moved to twitter in droves, only using pixiv as dumping ground where they post their logs every few months if they use it at all.
I hate how bad the quality became. Up till the early 10s I remember how almost every artwork on there was top tier. Now there is like one or three good one(s) per page and the rest is below Devian Art crap and looks like it was drawn by a kid, at least for most fandoms. I guess it's not just a western issue but the result of every casual getting internet access with phones (phones users are to blame for 99% of everything that makes the modern internet shit so no surprise).
Also pixiv-only users are almost solely hardcore porn loli and shota coomers because they don't dare to upload that stuff anywhere else.
No.5499
>>5497I've seen some artists jump to Xfolio (where apparently AI is a reportable offense) but I'm not sure if it will stick.
No.5501
>>5499God I hope not that's the worst of all. It's completely useless since you cannot even save the fanart. Not even the usual ctrl+rightclick works and there are no add-ons to rip. Sadly one of the artists I love uploaded a doujinshi there but you cannot download it, it's sucks.
No.5502
>>5491These look like they were made for gay men
No.5503
>>5491Still waiting for a single damn Tsurumi figure. Common, his series has a billion gay merch articles already why wouldn't you release a proper figure of that guy then? He only has pic related which is cute, I admit that. But he deserves an on-model figure. He's technically even super handsome if it wasn't for his wound (and latent insanity). Tsukishima has a figure and I love him but judging by common beauty standards he's ugly as fuck lmao
That said I am baffled that GK gets so much merch to begin with. Though it's a pure sausage fest save for a single (thankfully non-sexualised) girl, so maybe they simply had no other option. It's sad that adult men are unlikely to get figures unless the series is popular enough to make it into the top ten. I would kill for an Askeladd fig as well.
No.5505
>>5503Apologies if you've already seen it, someone has made a custom garage kit render of him you can download the files to create your own tsurumi figure! Its unfortunate the avenue to getting a figure of a niche character/subject is to go through the customs route which is already a hell in obtaining and assembling.
Ive included some other Tsurumi custom figures, though im not sure if their GK components are purchasable.
I would also be down with a Tsurumi figure, even a nendoroid would suffice. One of my hopes is that
Wilk's skinned face is one of his nendo accessories kek though the anime would be a little further along for them to do that
No.5509
>>5504My best advice is to make new accounts in that case. You are basically a new person/user then and feel distanced from your old account. Even if you think your fics are shit, there might always be someone that thinks otherwise. And being the author is always different from being the audience that rushes through a fic in no time.
I just did something similar with twitter and bluesky. I had a burnout and couldn't draw for a year. But I only ever posted super detailed, hard to draw fanart on my main so I made a side acc for sketches and easy art. Anyway my point is: it feels much easier to upload and draw now. The distance helps and it helps that the expectations for this new account are different. I also felt better making a new tumblr account years ago. Same reason as you, I was embarrassed by some of the shit I posted on the old one. But I recently googled my old art and one pic got 3k notes in those years I ignored it! Have no access to that acc anymore but anyway, someone might still like your stuff.
But even if you delete it you should make a new acc, I think it's really motivating to start anew.
No.5511
I haven't been able to get into any BL manga for over a month now. It's like nothing has really grabbed me as of late. I even tried getting into manhwa, which was even worse of an experience because the stories are unfocused and I don't like the art. I don't know if it's a problem with me or if it's really that hard to find what I'm looking for.
No.5512
>>5511Here try this it's an anthology I remember reading a while ago. Personally when I'm not in the mood for something I like checking out short story collections. The theme is "I'm not gay but…" First story is foot fetish stuff though so you can skip that if it doesn't interest you.
https://mangadex.org/title/4f9e2a8f-c975-4130-a51a-ff8bc1bf461aThis is another short one with a dentist theme which I found interesting, mainly since I've never seen a BL with a dentist before.
https://myreadingmanga.info/kobayashi-moriwo-melancholy-melancholic-melancholinist-eng/ No.5513
>>5511Just take a break for however long you need and come back with fresh eyes. You don't need to force yourself to read when you're not feeling up to it, it's not a job. I took a break for like a year once. You'll be able to come back with a fresh mindset.
No.5514
>>5511Try diversifying into BL anime, novels, drama CDs, VNs. It helps.
(Also share you recs in the manga thread
https://fujochan.org/bl/res/3902.html).
No.5515
>>5511It was always hard for me to find BLs to like. I mostly stick to fujo adjacent shows and consume fanart and fics of the hinted ships I like.
No.5516
>>5512NTA, this anthology is so good! Kumota Haruko is a god. Anthologies are a great way to get back into reading BL + discovering new mangaka
No.5519
>>5517Use "popular with friends" instead, it's way closer to the twitter fyp than "discovery"
No.5526
>>5525Could be worse. I have a rarepair where one of the guys only has a dick in like 2 of the porn fics.
Although anon didn't exclude vaginal sex so I don't know what the final numbers actually are.
No.5527
>>5518Honestly thats more than several of my fandoms before even filtering for m/m, the series I'm about to write a fic for has 200+ fics but only 2 m/m
I'd be grateful for 800 something.
No.5528
>>5518Holy shit I always only heard all of you talking about it but never experienced it in person. Is it really that bad? Is this usual?
I am more of a casual fic reader and mostly read Golden Kamuy and Jojo shit that doesn't to have that much of this, at least not the characters I am looking for. I admit I am rather chill when it happens to non-humans like Transformers who are headcanoned as hermaphrodites nowadays, but it's really odd when they do it with humans. Who in Mouthwashing even looks translike? Does this also happen to beefcakes?
No.5529
>>5528>Is it really that bad? Is this usual?Not her, but this is more common in fandoms that are new and skew younger.
No.5530
>>5529Oh that makes sense. Most of the things I am into are at least from the early/mid 10s. There are only two recent series I also like but they have almost no English fics on AO3.
No.5531
>>5529>new and skew youngerLowkey why I don't want any port/remaster for some of my favorite games that are obvious candidates for it when Nintendo's next console hits. The monkey paw curl would turn my graveyards into minefields.
No.5532
>>5529I feel like Bravern is mostly free of them but maybe it depends on how big it is in the west. Bravern is popular but mainly in Asia and the few westerners that love it are on the nerdier side.
I think a series is doomed the moment it goes viral in the west like Mouthwashing. Does Disco Elysium have tranny fics? It's at least as popular as Mouthwashing but I didn't finish the game yet so I avoid fics because of spoilers.
No.5533
>>5531>The monkey paw curl would turn my graveyards into minefields.this is so poetic and so fucking true, i shed a tear
No.5535
>>5532Disco Elysium sadly has a shit ton of tranny fics, even worse is that sometimes they don't even tag them.
I really try to filter them but the lack of care for tagging makes it even harder than it should be.
No.5536
>>5512Thank you. I'll give it a shot. The second story's premise seems like my kind of thing, at least. I also really like psychological stories, which this seems to be. I may just not be in the mood to read anything, but I really appreciate you trying!
>>5513This might be the right answer. It sucks because I want to enjoy things, but it might just not be in the cards right now.
>>5514I'm actually a massive VN fan, and I'd consider it my main medium lol. I actually initially branched out into manga because VNs are not always the most convenient thing to read. I might try to branch out into novels, as well. Thank you for the advice.
>>5515That's a very good way of doing things. I tend to prefer BL media that doesn't sacrifice its story (but still has a pretty good romance). I wish the story and romance were more well-integrated a lot of the time, so I completely understand where you're coming from.
No.5569
how the hell did mouthwashing gain a steven universe fanbase so quickly
No.5584
>>5572I generally blame youtube shitters for every terrible fanbase and shitposter these days. You can notice it on 4chan well if you read between the lines. Haters are often saying shit like "everybody praising this as the best thing ever" or making other statements about fans that literally nobody on 4chan has said. They always have this from youtube. Some e-celeb you never heard of praises something and now the haters of that youtuber will come into the threads to call it "reddit shit" and the fans of said youtuber will watch or play it and realise that they hate it too, but since they want to be part of the mass that likes it they pretend they didn't hate it and were just mad about how fans interpreted it and get mad at them instead.
Fuck youtube, biggest plague of the net and unironically worse than tiktok and facebook, I will die on that hill.
No.5589
>>5569>>5572Every time an edgy niche game gains an obnoxious screeching underage fanbase it's thanks to one of those big streamers with a teenage audience, every time, since the beginning of game streaming. It happened to Slenderman, it happened to FNAF, even recently it happened to Fear and Hunger before Mouthwashing. Youtube funnyman makes a funny video playing the game and it becomes to hot fandom of the month for everyone to sperg over and base the entirety of their fandom on headcanons their peers have because they've only been introduced to it via the filtered Markiplier version instead of discovering it on their own. And it can happen literally overnight and any game can become their next target.
No.5598
>>5509I've settled down about my stuff (again), but I do think I'm gonna consider an alt-account at some point. It does sound nice to have as an option.
No.5606
>>5604>open an r18 fandom discord server>ask where to post my fantasy AU with elves and dragons>get told the headcanon channel where people are talking about girlcock and vaginas and who do they kin from ensemble starsGuys that's not a headcanon what the fuck
>>5584Homothread does this shit too with the bitching at people who bring up anime that has barely gotten discussed or has only been spoken of in a negative light on /a/. They'll just start saying some huge swathe of people are praising it and calling it the best thing ever and falsely advertised it to them and they've been so hurt and betrayed. They're mad at people on some other website. They're furious about some popular western twitter user who has spammed random images with gogoanime.tv printed in the corner and said this is ssooo canon i love them it's for realz gay what a queer icon etc.
No.5609
>>5604I have an anecdote of mine about this. I apologize if I already posted this on FC because I can't remember if it was here or 4chan:
So, I am in a comic fandom. There was a twitter user with cutesy avatar of a guy who is part of a fascist killer commando in the comic. He is cool btw., so I followed her because she draws him as chibi. She does that regularly, uses pastel colors and she talks about headcanons of him. Never very canon related but whatever.
>fast forward TWO yearsI see her getting mad about a mutual posting "comic spoilers". Spoilers of the comic her fav is from. The comic that ended four years earlier. I wonder. Yes, it turns out she never read it. She had all her infos about the series from fans that probably got it from other fans before.
But WAIT, this isn't the punchline yet.
The punchline is that she finally started to read the comic to avoid further spoilers and drama.
And HATED it lmao
She couldn't even finish the first issue so she skipped to the part where her fav appears and realises that he's a actually a fucking villain. So when her followers called him "evil", they actually meant he's evil, not funny lollmao ebil like the fluffy angry cats from your memes.
She sperged about it for a whole day and then nuked her whole account and was never seen again.
It's so funny but also so depressing and unreasonable lol like holy shit. Why do you even GET into anything if you don't care?
No.5610
>>5606>They're mad at people on some other website. They're furious about some popular western twitter user who has spammed random images with gogoanime.tvThis. Yes. It makes me mad because if it triggers them so much then have the balls to tell that to the people in question and not go to 4chan to vent among people who have no fucking idea what they are talking about. I hate the fags that bring twitter drama to /a/ because they're cowards.
And that aside, what kind of bitch do you have to be to be devoid of an own free will anyway? Why do they even give a shit about what others say and watch series because of them? Are they too stupid to notice when they dislike an episode? Just stop watching and develop an own taste.
Holy shit I hate these idiots. Social media and youtube created the dumbest people on earth lol
No.5627
>>5609wow thats hilarious yet incredibly bleak, i couldn't imagine investing this much time and effort (2 YEARS??) into a character I dont even know about. It saddens me how people larp as super fans of a character yet they cant even do the bare minimum of reading up the wiki page to even ~understand~ who they're fawning over. Its even more frustrating when you get your hopes up seeing a fan of a character you also enjoy and try to start conversation about the source material but they draw a blank cause all they know about X Character is the silly shitpost memes from tumblr.
No.5631
>>5609That's really fucking funny. On the bright side I guess they got 2 years of art improvement with their muse. Lucky!
>>5604>i hate sounding like a schizo for actually taking my nerd hobby seriously.Yeah. I've never minded "casual" fans but tertiary fans actively take shits in the pool. I'm hoping the next fandom platform migration (twitter to bluesky) helps shake these lice out.
No.5632
>>5627Yeah they are basically fans of an OC and got merely inspired by a canon work or at least the fan interpretations they've seen of it. It's really strange but so fucking common?
I dunno how it works. Their information about the character must be so fragmentary that I cannot even imagine any cohesive headcanon version of him. Especially because fanworks are very diverse. I drew that guy being lost and blind, someone else drew him cute and playing with his comrades and so on. How do you even form an exact image of him lol
I swear sometimes I wish wikias and shillers didn't exist to keep these people out. I am so tired that every game and comic fandom is full of these people.
No.5650
>>5609This is insane. I don't get how anyone could ever become like that.
No.5652
>>5650Me neither. She drew a lot so it's not like she was just pretending to like it because it was trendy.
For me love is all about nuances. You could have talked to me about my favs that I am obsessed with before I engaged with their story and I wouldn't have cared until I see it with my own eyes. It's all about dialogues, gestures and the behavior and none of this will be mentioned in wikias or youtube opinions.
I recently had an argument with a fan who claimed reading the wikias of an episode/issue was enough. No? This isn't a story it's a summary. How can people not discern between factual summaries and experience? Does a war you experience feel the same as reading about it as rich first world kid? No it isn't. But this is how stupid they sound.
I have a personal beef with these fans tbh lol because some of my favorite ships are unpopular for the sole reason because people refuse to read the canon. They don't have much screentime so all of the gay content and cool shit about them comes from nuances and short scenes that aren't important enough to make it into wikias.
No.5656
>>5652>all of the gay content and cool shit about them comes from nuances and short scenes that aren't important enough to make it into wikias.OMG HEAVILY THIS!! I have a rarepair that gets ridiculed for being a really "random" pairing, and while they've only met once or twice in canon, they have extremely similar narratives where one ended up doing good because of his tragic past while the other turned to a life of crime to avenge it.
This is easily overlooked because one character is considered comic relief, and both characters are used as props to ship the more conventionally attractive and popular character that most fans are aware of because of fanart/edits.
I try to give the latter shipss some grace but its just…. you can clearly tell "fans" are only making ship content of it because one is the safe wholesome adult character ship whereas the other is the daddy dom problematic ship. either way both only exist to "look good" and dont have a deeper narrative besides filling a trope.
No.5695
>>5465This is also why you will see yuri fans being loud and only attacking fujos and never the incels. Yuri fans love to be loud in mixed gender casts, so Hoyoverse games, Project Sekai, Alien Stage, Arcane, you name it, if it's popular with both fujos and himes, the himes will never stop tweeting about how degenerate fujos are and how they're being oppressed by them. These himes who hate the sight of male characters will never stick to the gacha games with all girls, because those fandoms are dominated by a lot of straight dudes who don't like yuri and who will bully them hard, unlike most fujos who will turn over and grovel.
No.5697
>>5609You cannot say this and at least not say the name of the comic sis. That sounds so brutal, and yet I am somehow absolutely not surprised.
Reminds me of the memes that spawned from the riddlebat shipping where people uwufied the shit out of both. But at least I think dano riddlerfags at least knew he's insane kek
No.5699
>>5695Someone on Lolcow said that yurifags like this are like a battered wife taking out the abuse her husband dishes out on her children and that's the general vibe they always have. You will never see them raise a hand against misogynist coomer moids and troons in their communities but other women are free targets to abuse as they please because they're less likely to push back or have any real authority over them.
No.5700
>>5699I doubt any of them was even abused, I legit believe it's unironical femcels. I earned a wave of hatred on that place when I casually mentioned building up muscles for making up for my permanent underweight since hamburgers don't help and a bunch of them attacked me for being a bulimic picme that craves the attention of men wtf
The vibes I get from there is that most of their posters are bipolar people that deem themselves fat and ugly and blame misogyny (men) and "pickme" mindset (women) for having no friends. I swear their vent thread is just nothing but hatred against every type of person no matter whom.
No.5701
I love but also hate it when an anime ups the gay pandering by 100 because it means that you fall in love with a series and get obsessed, only to read the rest, grab the manga or game and realise that most of the cool shit is anime only.
Worse:
Since it's anime only the gay chemistry in the original is most likely pure coincidence and the (usually male) mangaka has no fucking idea what he's doing. It would be enough would he just leave it that way but NO. Since he doesn't care the pairing will almost always be denied at some point. Either by killing one and the one not caring, some sudden het romance or mention of a girlfriend/wife out of nowhere or some other shit that makes it clear it's non-canon.
It makes me wish I didn't get invested in the first place and tbh if it's some super rare, uncommon pairing and unique characters/designs it will hurt for the rest of my life.
People always tell me to just ignore canon and continue with AU. And it can be fun! It's all we do. But honestly WHY. Let it make at least sense. How many series have I read that had two dudes be super close, only for the manga to clarify that they never gave a shit about each other.
Are creators sociopaths? How does it even work in their mind? I guess males that aren't the MC are just an afterthought. So they let them do things together or hug because it's le funny but never thought of them as anything but colleagues because they don't think at all and only relate to self-inserts.
Meanwhile, every girl in the whole damn universe that was nice to MC ONCE is of course in fucking love with him.
No.5702
>>5701I was talking to a man about this the other day. This is just the way men think, and they literally can't grasp the concept of intimacy.
Even when I say "well what if character A was a girl. Could you see the chemistry then?" He said "well then it wouldn't be character A anymore and the chemistry would make sense"
No.5703
>>5702they should just say they don't like m/m ships no matter what and call it a day instead of coming up with pseudo-intellectual reasons as to why "it doesn't make sense".
most of the times we are fully aware "it doesn't make sense" but that does not stop us because we like the chemistry. men don't ship (much less m/m) so they don't get what it even means. at best they absent mindedly support the most boring, obvious endgame het ship of all times because it reinforces their projection on the MC and it wraps up the hero's journey with the reward being the easiest pussy
No.5704
>>5703I think it's more than that. It's not about ships that don't make any sense, but men not understanding why women would interpret two characters as lovers where it absolutely DOES make sense.
Men casually write two characters as super gay. Be it coincidentally for plot reasons or because they think it's funny when one of them princess carries the other, or they fall asleep together or other shit. To them it's just "lol funny because it makes them look dumb/awkward". Or two characters fight together, protect each other, eat and have fun together between the fights.
No matter how close two dudes are written, most men and authors will go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?? These guys gay?" and claim there was zero fucking chemistry when they are actually way closer than any of their canon het pairings. I legit believe it's a mental issue, namely lack of empathy and mirror neurons. I fully agree with
>>5702 who confirms what I experienced.
No.5705
>>5703Talking to men about shipping is very frustrating. Their understanding begins and ends with whether or not they can project onto one half of the relationship and if they find the other half of the ship personally appealing. I've also seen some guys equate shipping to "wouldn't it be cool if these characters fucked?" They can't understand how much more goes into it than that.
>>5704>No matter how close two dudes are written, most men and authors will go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?? These guys gay?" and claim there was zero fucking chemistry when they are actually way closer than any of their canon het pairings.I'm sorry if this sounds weird, but I think it would be really funny as a thought experiment if, somehow, a series were to get popular among guys and there was a female character written with the same level of chemistry with the male MC as a lot of rivals/best friend characters are, and then, near the end, somehow reveal the character they were led to believe was a woman was a man all along. I don't know how this could be accomplished without attracting male trap fans, of course, but I know for a fact the average FOTM waifu guy would have no way to justify his position at that point. It's so blatantly obvious that they just don't want to see m/m pairings in fiction, but they'll always try to intellectualize it instead of just saying they don't like it.
No.5706
>>5705>>5702This is also why their het ships always suck so hard. They cannot write relationships. It's either an eternal will they/won't they that ends without a kiss or instant love and marriage and the girl being the devote housewife that admires her husbando and the dude is 100% passive. Most of them can't write it to save their lives, so their men are more likely to be written like pairings because the writer doesn't write them as pairing.
They coincidentally get intimacy right but since it's coincidence it never lasts since it's a broken clock which is right two times a day situation. Once they try to develop the men there is a very high chance that it will fuck over the relationship since they don't even see the relationship to begin with.
To them you just hang out with others and do thing with them and don't feel anything I guess. No idea, there are probably studies being made on that thought process.
No.5707
>>5702The whole issue with "friend-zoning" speaks volumes about that. I needed ages till I understood why it's even such an offense. Bc it's not that they're sad that a relationship isn't "more" than a friendship, they literally despise it the second they realise it and ditch the friend, even if it was the best one they ever had. It's just as if friendship means nothing at all. What do they think when they hang out with male friends?
>>5705This. Or an experiment where someone describes close relationships to them, but without mentioning gender. And then ask them if they think these characters could be in love. Or let them describe one themselves.
I bet they would tell you it depended on the gender and they first needed to know about that, but that makes no sense. They would have had to define signs of romances first and that's not gender related.
No.5708
>>5707>What do they think when they hang out with male friends?Most men don't have friendship bonds at all, all they do with their male friends is shoot the shit and have no desire to even try to connect with them on a deeper level. And then they have the audacity to cry about male loneliness and also denigrate female friendships which are far deeper when they are good ones.
No.5714
>>5706>It's either an eternal will they/won't they that ends without a kissTo be fair, a very popular female author kinda started this trend, but yeah het ships in general have a very unbalanced and repetitive dynamic, the girl is the precious pure figure who can do no wrong and the mc is a jackass, they are too obtuse to get together and yada yada, I don’t know why so many girls like these types of ships,I can’t find any of this interesting or likeable in the least
No.5716
>>5707>This. Or an experiment where someone describes close relationships to them, but without mentioning gender. Describe all the beats of the most popular ships in shonen.
>They argue regularly but in the end they look out for each other>They have kissed>Character A would move heaven and earth to protect character B>There is at some point a falling out and Character A never stops thinking about B>Character B is done but Character A pursues for literal years>Character A eventually rescues Character B but it costs an arm for each of them>Their bloodstains hold hands>They stay in each other's lives forever even though they marry different people >Character B rarely sees their real family and just loyally slinks to character A, somewhat obsessively desiring to be their right handOkay. Is it gay girls?
No.5717
>>5716Oh additional note
>They wear exchanged necklaces in cover art and often think of each otherCome on man.
No.5720
>>5708Oh yeah it's so funny when you can always tell for sure that everybody that cries about male loneliness is a prick who refuses to befriend men because that's gay or something and only befriends a girl if she is romantically interested in him or vice versa and he still has hope. Why should anybody befriend someone that thinks friendships are worth shit?
>>5714Yeah the the big tragedy is that most men can't write women like characters/people to save their lives but are simultaneously permanently jealous or scared of every male character that isn't MC too, so most manga focus their screentime on female cardboard cut-outs and casually write great male characters that are all doomed to die, get shafted or written out of the series because men = scary.
Nothing pisses me off harder than starting a series and knowing exactly who will die and who won't by looking at nothing but the gender.
Also, beefy, wise or cool male side characters will die earlier because they make the author insecure and nobody is allowed to be better than the crappy MC.
No.5738
>>5720>beefy, wise or cool male side characters will die earlier because they make the author insecure and nobody is allowed to be better than the crappy MCThis drives me nuts. Alternatively, he turns out to be a horrible person despite showing no prior signs. Related to that, in a lot of visual novels, there's a token 'loser best friend' who solely exists to be a creepy piece of shit and make the protagonist look like a gentleman by comparison.
>>5706> It's either an eternal will they/won't they that ends without a kiss or instant love and marriage and the girl being the devote housewife that admires her husbando and the dude is 100% passive. Don't forget the ever-popular "girl doggedly pursues stoic, bland protagonist and fights with 4+ other girls over him like he's some kind of prize." They're usually terrible at writing chemistry or even interest on both sides. They never even address how the girl might feel constantly competing for his attention, or how she might eventually lose interest. It's shallow.
>>5708OT but I know a guy who tells me that female friendships are inherently more shallow than male friendships because it's always transactional and based on social status. If that were at all true, males would not be experiencing a loneliness epidemic. Granted, I do know some guys with very close friendships, but I know waaay more women with those types of friendships. My grandma's had the same best friend since she was 15, and I don't know how anyone could say that's 'shallow.'
No.5739
>>5738>I know a guy who tells me that female friendships are inherently more shallow than male friendships because it's always transactional and based on social status.Damn, the amount of male projection on his part is astronomical here, they always keep pushing their own behavior on women. Like isn't this comradery based on transactions kind of "friendship" exactly what manosphere people like Andrew Tate preach about?
>Alternatively, he turns out to be a horrible person despite showing no prior signs.NTA but I hate this so fucking much. Literally every other male character has to be somehow emasculated, embarrassed, defiled or retconned into something horrible because none of them can be as popular as the male self insert MC and their sole purpose is to make him look better in comparison in every possible way. It's amazing how insecure these writers tend to get.
No.5741
>>5740Girl you got fisted by the monkey paw, holy shit.
No.5752
>>5740I am so sorry nonnie, as someone who has been through the same I feel your pain.
>>5741KEK
No.5755
>>5703>>5704Soriku in a nutshell really. And a hint of Samurai Flamenco.
Kingdom Hearts fans can't say they hate m/m. They have to do mental gymnastics to avoid outright saying "I project into Sora ergo he has to end up with the damsel in destress." They'll say 'they deserve to be together they fought so hard' and would have probably ignored or been happy with Riku dying or never being seen again when the crux of his character arc in the first game is being jealous/sad his best friend's attention isn't solely on him.
Any time I see "why can't men just be friends" I know for a fact these people are the first to say "can't wait to see [female character] and [MC] make babies." They want validation for their projection and easy to consume slop standards. And I'm just so fucking tired of being unable to discuss anything in a wider audience because of it.
No.5756
>>5738> Alternatively, he turns out to be a horrible person despite showing no prior signsOr this, yes. It's so fucking funny that I could tell that Eugeo from SAO would die because he was the only relevant male besides Kirito who wasn't evil, so the only other outcome for him is a bad end. Anons called me retarded for this and then it happened. It's so obvious how these people work and believe that this is the main reason for why gayness will never be common. Two men being together and happy is just too fucking much for most writers.
> They're usually terrible at writing chemistry or even interest on both sides. Agree. Chemistry rarely even exists. The moment they get together (if that even happens before the end of the show) the MC acts like before and the girl blushes in every scene she's in or tells MC about their future kids. There is no dynamic, no common ground, no anything and the MC is always passive because he's too cool for love, he just gives the girls the dick because they're begging for it.
No.5758
>>5755>Any time I see "why can't men just be friends" I know for a fact these people are the first to say "can't wait to see [female character] and [MC] make babies."Some of these same men will also then tell you "the story would be way better if the MC's rival/best friend were a girl, they would be already dating by now" without a ounce of sarcasm or irony. So you just know even they don't believe in their own argument.
No.5759
>>5755>"why can't men just be friends"The amount of dumbasses crying about this because of fujoshi will never match the amount of IRL male+female friendships ruined by the boy being horny for the girl. WHY CAN'T MEN AND WOMEN JUST BE FRIENDS???
No.5760
>>5759My conclusion that I've reached over much time is that women can be friends with men, but men cannot be friends with women. Unless she is so ugly to him that he's mentally categorized her as a man, which is also an awful experience.
No.5761
>>5759This is legit the most annoying shit ever. And God forbid you ever try and mention it because you'll near instantly be swarmed by cope about how any affection shared between characters of the opposite gender is actually just them wanting to fuck, or the tried and true "lmao shut up fujo". Like the ONLY possible reason I want idiots to stop yawning on and on about M 'ultra flooding' F's womb is because of shipping reasons, and not because I'm sick to death of having literally any discussion of a cute friendship ruined by M becoming some sex-master chad and F his forever loyal onahole. Or better yet, having threads shat up by riveting posts such as:
>[SuggestivePictureofF.jpg] "M's wife… He's so lucky…">>5755 is completely right, it's the exact same behavior that gets bitched about when it's M/M, but lol if it ever gets addressed as commonly.
No.5762
God I wish the worldwide fujo community outside of FC wasn't so fucking self-hating and insecure.
I am so sick seeing the majority say how gay ships are in the just fan delusions, how we should be happy with bread crumbs or how we shouldn't complain about our characters getting tragic ends.
What the fuck man. For the first argument I get it if it's a crackship or one of those ships between characters that only talked to each other once. Fine. But I see this being said about EVERY pairing even if it's two dudes sleeping besides each other hugging all the time. Do those same people say the same shit if this happens between m/f? Because I never see it.
I get that they are traumatized from bait and switch, I am too. But I don't want this feeling to poison every fandom I am in even if there is literally everything hinting on the characters being at least closer than friends and sharing a deep genuine bond. Sure you can debate whether they have sex or not, but saying there is no love involved because it's just "our delusion" sounds like the crap coomers say to shit on fujos and it spoils all the fun.
Same when they claim that after the smallest canon conflict. Like when two dudes were as close as lovers for ages but then have one single argument or twist that drifts them apart for a while. You instantly see everybody suddenly claiming the shit before never happened OMG - And yes it's even present in the Asian community. The self-hatred is global.
No.5763
My fujo friend group has completely drifted apart and all that's left are people I never want to talk to. What a cruel world.
No.5779
>>5776How the fuck did the Mouthwashing fandom end up worse than both Steven Universe and Voltron combined? When I first saw people harassing artists over Jimmy and suggestive Anya art I thought: yeah that's obviously retarded but I can see how moralfags can justify that in their minds, but over shit like vidrel? Getting to the point where people can't even make silly memes without getting death threats is a level of psychosis unheard of.
No.5781
>>5776yeah one japanese artist made a normal fanart of Anya and I keep seeing on my timeline minors sending him death threats, calling him weirdo, they are also doing it to people who are calling them out, what a shitstorm
No.5782
>>5781To be fair I've seen a ton of male artists posting obvious ragebait art of oversexualized Anya enjoying being raped or begging to be raped to ~trigger the roasties~. That said people should really just ignore them because a reaction is what these childish edgelords are looking for.
No.5805
>>5776>read MW as MW>haha I liked MW, it was pretty fun to re->oh right>nobody would be talking about MW>>5762I've literally never seen this, it sounds like a really grim end of fandom. There's being level headed and then there's barking at people "you can't like that it isn't real, stop having fun".
No.6042
I hate how much the world makes fun of fujos and how my ability to feel and create depends on whether or not I am infatuated with a character or ship.
I was in a depressive hole (again) years ago until I got back to drawing in 2018 because a series gave me feelings and I could do things again. But the moment the character I loved the most was killed in the worst possible way I fell into a hole again. I could still draw, but it got harder with every passing month and I was dead inside again.
Then, earlier this year, I found something I could only call the best ship I ever had. So much fuel it can be seen as canon, a great chemistry, cool uncommon designs and for once no drama or dark shit involved, just two mutual lovers in a shitty world. I finally felt alive again, but like always it never lasts and some time ago the ship got fucked over in the worst possible way because fujos are cringe and it's funny making fun of them.
I am currently still in the phase of anger/sadness that makes me feel like crying, but even that is better than the damn void that will eventually come once I get over it and I hate knowing that it will happen, I hate that it always happens, I hate that every child fucker gets pandered hard because sexualising 10yo girls is cool, but shipping adult men is super cringe and disgusting so let's backstab the fujos that buy your shit.
It's so fucking surreal how every manga magazine is fine with the sexualisation of children but nobody dares to include relationships for gay dudes because somehow THIS is "controversial", but not loli pandering, canon harem endings, raped women, sexual harassment, adult/loli ships and so much other crap. The tolerance for gay shit starts and ends with the sexualisations of traps and that's it, because men can still coom to the girl with penis.
Fucking kill me already.
I wish I could just get into webtoons and SoL BLs but I can't feel anything for the plot or the characters these series star.
No.6050
Why women dominated fandoms are so shitty? It's all policized, with minors tiktokers gendies or basic yumes who literally have shoujogirl as their nick and stan otome bland like characters.
Non-genderspecials fujos are the only fans i love.
No.6051
>>6050Female socialization means constantly living with shame and doubt and needing to punch others down to prove moral scrupulosity. And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.
Moid dominated fandoms are worse but in a distinctly different way. They could use more shame.
No.6053
>>6051>And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for onceThis. People aren't kidding when they describe those fandom girls as Regina George larpers. They wanted to be popular and mean IRL so bad but were too much of a loser to do so, many being friendless.
No.6058
>>6051>And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.tbh I think it's rare but then again they probably latch onto the big hypes that I am never into. But there are ~5 or so in my own fandom and I happen to lurk in a discord of one of them and noticed that all they do is scheming and bitching. They literally never talk about the series, never have fun, never produce anything, all they do is stalking other users in the hopes of finding something to stir up shit. So I don't even know what their purpose is or why they even joined the fandom to begin with. I think they crave attention but then realise that they suck and don't do anything so they don't get it and vent by attacking others.
I knew another person like them in an older fandom and she bitched about her friend who was getting more reblogs because she was actually active. All the other one uploaded was one single pic four (4!) years before but she expected to be as popular as the woman that uploads one top tier artwork every three days and spent 10h a day drawing. It made me realise that these people are legit mentally ill. They don't see how the shit they say is clashing with reality.
No.6059
>>6053This is the entirety of the XIV fandom. Join any group in game. Any of them. Chances are the lead is a woman or woman (male) with this attitude.
Best to not engage and hang around JP. They love making HQ art and screenshots with none of the drama of taking the dumbest moral high grounds possible. When I saw a 'no lewding minor coded characters' (one of which is an actual 9000+ year old dragon that literally has an adult form) I knew the community was done in the west.
No.6062
>>6059>When I saw a 'no lewding minor coded characters' (one of which is an actual 9000+ year old dragon that literally has an adult form) I knew the community was done in the west.I haven't seen that before personally but I'll often see people acting very annoying about Lalafells even though ingame there are at least two named canon lala characters who are horny for tall race characters. I'm not even interested in lewding them myself but the people who insist on treating them like actual children ingame are delusional.
No.6063
I wish women were more like moids in regards to not moralfagging over the most retarded shit, being obsessed with identity labels, and muh activism. Hell, even proshippers are fucking obnoxious with how they try to spin their shipping into queer feminist kinkster liberation while they claim antis are the ones turning everything into activism; just say you find age gap incest hot for fuck's sake. I've pretty much excised myself from engaging with fandom Twitter/Tumblr types because of this so I'm very grateful for FC even if it's a small community.
No.6070
>>6059A shame it is, I wish there was a space to sperge about XIV lore and ocs in eng without having to share space with insufferable troons with troon WoLs, yume self inserters who make their WoL fuck as much characters as possible with no regards to dynamics, or accounts that are both at the same time. I'd especially like to see wol BL content that doesnt have fucking cuntboy/aether strap and tit chop scars on either the characters for once sigh
No.6072
>>6058>constantly living with shame and doubt and needing to punch others down to prove moral scrupulosity. And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.The thing is, they are all incredibly insecure, they literally gang up on one person in the fandom because they obviously don't like their ship, and then proceed to whine on their accounts when they are called out and say
"uh weirdo can't you read"???
lmao
Most of them can't even have good convo and analysis to save their lifes, is all just zoomer lingo and aeshetics, worse of all is the projection.
They literally act like creepy high schoolers, get all of their friends to gang up on one or two people, and then have the balls to go and say
"smh this fandom is so bad smh uwu! those two people in the fandom me and my mutuals swarmed up on are making the fandom so bad uwu!"
It's all so tiresome, at least I know it's all hype over the current popular thing and most of them will get tired of the fandom or the fandom will eventually become infamous thanks to them.
No.6073
>>6063>proshippers are fucking obnoxious with how they try to spin their shipping into queer feminist kinkster liberationTHIS!!!!! i never outwardly labelled myself as a proshipper but I made a following built from those circles since I create and enjoy freak shit, but being in that fandom grew tiring as more and more people made shipping problematic ships into some "gotcha point" to sic it at antis and cram as much problematic tropes into the ship with no regards to how it would work with their canon dynamics. Even worse is when they'd blatantly self insert into one of the characters and blubber up an excuse about how theyre "venting and projecting their insecurities on this fictional character". Just make a fucking OC and leave your fakeboi, self harm, tampon vaginismus trauma out of my fucking normie capeshit holy shit
the ouroboros eventually ate its own tail and multiple creators within the fandom would be the "cancelled" creator of the week. every time the instigators would always emphasize that "we don't claim them in the proship x fandom!!" acting like we're some small friend group and not a bunch of randos who happen to be into the same series. its even more annoying when all they'd do is make memes and joke about the creator getting cancelled, instead of providing context (which even if they did 99.9% of the time the creator is getting cancelled for the most milquetoast reasons or its just a blatant vendetta) these retards treat fandom like a little mean girl clique; only getting into it just because it stirs up discourse since one of the characters/ship is "problematic!!!!"
sorry for blogposting, some days I wish I could create a public account again and make inside joke shitposts to share with other fans of the series I enjoy. its one of the favourite things I like about creating in a fandom, but man do these PC kinkster liberation tards suck all the enjoyment out of it treating it like a moral stance instead of a fucking hobby for nerds.
No.6074
>>6051>And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.The sad thing is, you encounter these types wherever you go. Work, fandom, post-graduate programs, hobby groups, etc will always have at least one insecure woman who feels like she wasn't popular in high school, and decides to make it her entire personality despite nobody having thought about that bullshit in years. The main comfort you can take is that they're all miserable people who struggle to form female friendships due to their constant need to shit on other women. I've never met a well-adjusted, confident woman who acts like this, and the ones who do tend to eventually alienate themselves further from their peers.
>>6063>>6073I like that Fujochan isn't too obsessive about making callout posts and that sort of thing. The worst thing about fandom police is that they'll focus on something relatively small, but they seem to disappear the moment something actually horrible happens. It feels like the person doing the canceling either doesn't like a ship or is jealous of another artist, rather than having an actual moral issue. You could find something problematic about any ship, if you look hard enough, and these people use that to their advantage. It's pretty easy to see why some people say, "I don't like this ship because it's fucked up for this reason," rather than the truth, which is, "I just don't like this ship and I prefer this other one." One makes you look much more sympathetic, and prevents the other ship from being openly posted.
No.6077
>>6074>The main comfort you can take is that they're all miserable people who struggle to form female friendships due to their constant need to shit on other womenActually most of those women tend to have a huge following, and plenty of friends, but yes it's only fake shallow friendships for the sake of fandoms,you call tell too since the moment one of them goes through a tough time or has a falling out with a more popular mutual everyone seems to turn their back on them.
You are right thou, they costantly shit on other women, women who have more individuality to be precise.
They want women to be an amalgamation of the same thoughts, without individuality nor different personalities, hell they barely see women who don't agree with them as women, which is why the tif anti-fujo became so rampant.
No.6095
Omg what the hell happened to Twitter. It’s almost unusable. Like wtf. Why the app has so many issues. It’s Elon’s fault right? Cause I was on Twitter before he bought it and I didn’t have any issues when I used it then. I just wanted to see if I could find some art of my favorite ships, but this shits unusable.
No.6099
>>6095Same, it worked fine for me so far but since a few days ago tweets that are shown up on my timeline aren't visible when I click the accounts that posted them it drives me insane.
Especially Asians often comment retweets by making a follow-up post like "Regarding the RT:" but I click their account and neither the RT nor the comment are popping up.
Plus, likes vanish, and it's not the known hidden like shit from before, they literally vanish and I click it again and the moment it refreshes its gone. And the search is useless now if you like to search for more than one keyword.
No.6100
>>6063Aethy's just announced it's shutting down if they can't move hosts and I legitimately hate trying to find proship communities elsewhere because it's like actual children and other minors who are "so mature for their age" and are basically antis.
'You like this PURE heteronormative pairing??? ur stupid'
I legitimately just want to find a shota/noncon friendly group to talk fanfic with. This shit is unbearable.
No.6102
>>6095The only solution is to make our own version of the internet at this point.
No.6104
>>6099My 30 minutes of being on Xitter was so bad I literally deleted it. I could not stand running into the “can’t load anymore posts” glitch or whatever that kept happening after 5 seconds of searching stuff. And that’s not even mentioning how annoying it was to verify my account because apparently there was “suspicious activity” going on. Like just let me in.
>>6100>want to find a shota/noncon friendly group to talk fanfic withSame. The only places I know that allow it (except maybe here? I’m not sure what the policy on shota fanfic is) are 8chan and probably shotaworld, but I would not recommend 8chan ever and shotaworld is a gated community that I’m not privy to information about because I haven’t bothered trying to get verified.
>>6103I’m enjoying blogging on my dreamwidth, but it’s a little lonely.
No.6105
>>6102It's funny, since as fujos we already make our own version of canon all the time.
Maybe we should call ourselves reality-fixers.
No.6106
>>6104>a little lonelyExactly why I didn't use Aethy for the most part. There was genuinely no one in my fandom who was active and the few who were, were mostly focused on things I didn't care about.
I recently got into SMT and the thread here hasn't been posted in in 9 months. /cm/ is hardly in a better state and /y/ is /y/.
I really don't want to join some power tripping fujo's discord just to be able to talk with more than 2 people and get into babby's first fandom drama.
Semi-remated, I joined a Clerith (FF7 hetship) server and it was like actually trying to get into a kool-aid drinking cult. I ended up abandoning it because if I wanted to police myself to talk about ships I would literally use tiktok.
No.6107
>>6106I have the same issues because nothing I like ever has a big active fandom, especially not if I want to talk about my favorite ship. I usually give in and join some discords but they are always very small. I don't really made any experience with antis or whatever others always talk about but maybe it's related to the series I like. Half of the discord users or more are always Asian, most westerners seem to have shit taste and I never like what they like for some reason.
No.6108
>>6106>tiktokThe worst thing is that tiktok unironically seems like the best place to engage in fandom right now, especially the bigger fandoms. But god forbid you like any ship that's even the slightest taboo. Like some girl just got bullied into deleting her art because she dared to make pretty tame kidnapping/yandere au fanart. I've found some accounts that make taboo ship content, but none of them ship my favorite ship. I still like to support these accounts though because they make really nice art or edits.
No.6109
>>6108I just refuse to engage with an app thats just video clip brainrot. You can't even sift through the sludge easily because it's purely algo based. I used to lose hours just accidently clicking on youtube shorts sometimes before i blocked it. That was enough brainrot for me. I'll stick to text-based platforms.
No.6110
>>6108If TikTok is the best then fandom is in a sad state. I don't use that app but the engagement seems very one way compared to Twitter/Tumblr/Discord and seems pretty bad for discussion since it's all video/picture-based. Plus it's filled to the brim with braindead zoomers.
Wish fujos were more active on imageboards because I can't stand any other type of fan anymore.
No.6111
>>6108Isn't tiktok just videos? How do you engage with that? Do you make a video of fanart you made?
I already hate youtube but I absolutely cannot imagine tiktok being good for anything but cat videos.
No.6112
>>6110>Wish fujos were more active on imageboards because I can't stand any other type of fan anymore.This. It's the only good type of platform for discussions. It especially pains me that Asian fujos are afraid of using it since most of my fandom friends and people I engage with are from Japan or China.
Image boards have a bad reputation that isn't really justified. Because how good or bad it is solely depends on the thread and board. A pure fujo board like FC can be chill even with more users. The antis and trannies wouldn't come here anyway because they're used to safe spaces and need attention so they're not interested in being anonymous.
No.6113
>>6109I use it every so often when I want to see what's going on in the current big fandoms and see whether the userbase has stopped being retarded and then I delete it when I get bored. It's a cycle that I really need to stop.
>>6110It's depressing that it's tiktok, but there's a lot of people making fanedits, fanart, fanvideos, recommending fanfics (that won't get you crucified), and discussing current happenings in the fandom. The comment character limit is annoying for discussion, but there's a lot of people that make long discussion comments in response to someone doing an analysis or skit on some random thing in the fandom, whether it be a niche side character or the newest episode. Then there's the other side of the fence that's filled with chronically online people who only comment some random ass joke from god knows where.
>Wish fujos were more active on imageboardsAnywhere that restricts the userbase to 18+ would be great. I still wanna believe in forums making a comeback.
>>6111Tiktok started doing picture and slideshow posts where it's just a single image or multiple pics that you swipe through. But I don't think you can search for the image posts so you either get lucky it pops up on your algorithm or pray the search will work when trying to find fanart. And there's videos that are synced to sound that are like little comics in video format.
No.6114
>>6112>Because how good or bad it is solely depends on the thread and boardI agree, but I think even without its reputation imageboards would still be unpopular since people get high off numbers and validation (to my dismay since clout hungry people are obnoxious). FC is almost the best of both worlds for me since there's no 240 character limit and no pressure to self-censor, the only downside is its lack of userbase. What's one man's trash is another one's treasure though, as much as I like IBs for their anonymity most people will never make that jump because they like being personally seen.
Weirdly I've seen gendies mention browsing FC on Twitter before, I don't know if they're LARPing so they seem unique/edgy or actually lurking.
No.6115
>>6113>Anywhere that restricts the userbase to 18+ would be great. I still wanna believe in forums making a comeback.Personally I'm a lot more partial to image boards.
I can't talk about my fandoms anywhere but /v/ sometimes because some games don't draw in the Stellar Blade crowd and it heavily depends if there are other rando fujos in the thread.
Kingdom Hearts is the most difficult because between twitter, stalkin socials off fanfic author's notes/comments, and stumbling through JP twitter, good luck trying to find anyone who wants to talk about anything except Soriku. Between a cast that's under 18, the rampant self insertion as Sora and the fact that the best authors post anonymously I think connecting strings on a pin board is the only way I can find others to talk to.
No.6116
>>6114>Weirdly I've seen gendies mention browsing FC on Twitter beforeCaps?
No.6119
>>6118>same 3 black people reacting imagesHey anon it's not nice to pick on the mentally ill they're probably legally unwell.
No.6120
>>6119sorry im a bit dense;; I cant tell if youre referring to black people reacting images as in AAVE slang or black as in the twitter screenshot layout
No.6125
>>6124
I'm neither of them. And there's an extreme pushback against zoomers. Remember Urusei Yatsura's opening having dancing and nobody complained?
Or the 'sexy' dances in a lot of early 10's anime?
DanDaDan got called a 'zoomer' anime on /a/ for having the makings literally of those series and having the carlton in the opening. Trap beats? zoomer (It's a shounen anime it's literally for zoomers.) It's all stupid really. If you follow lingo online you're accused of being twitter, tik tok and whatnot when social media in general is so homogenized now there is no identity like Tumblr Sexyman or all the many ways you can say upvote. I guarantee no one can tell the difference and it's just shit flinging to be cool.
No.6126
>>6125Sorry, I don't watch anime, so I don't know.
> If you follow lingo online you're accused of being twitter, tik tok and whatnot when social media in general is so homogenized now there is no identity like Tumblr Sexyman or all the many ways you can say upvote. Agreed. Internet became so centralized and I scroll fc and lc often, there's seems to be an uptick of blind hatred to younger gen, even though they're already in their early twenties right now. I starting use Lolcow and Fujochan like a year ago and nobody didn't push go back to twitter card like months ago with same "tiktok lingo and gifs".
No.6127
>>6125Not the anon you reply to and I won't accuse you of being a tourist, but I genuinely don't understand what you are saying in this post and I have no idea what carlton is and what exactly people mean with tumblr sexyman. Maybe I am not online enough or too old.
No.6128
>>6127In short.
FC's quiet so I go to /a/ depending on the series. DanDaDan got an anime. The anime op features the classic Carlton dance from Fresh Prince (though I'm sure it came before that it's just mostly known as The Carlton. Cue anons shitting themselves over an opening that panders to people under 20.
No.6129
>>6125sorry i thought you were her, i usually never see 3d reactions on fujochan so i just assumed, my bad
No.6130
>>6128I'm sorry nona again, but /a means 4chins? I went out of curiosity there and it was all horrid coom from every board. I mean, what to expect from that place?
>>6129Don't worry, nona. Also I didn't find much posts about fc and had to mute 2 users with same username, maybe I don't know how to use twitter
No.6131
>>6130> I went out of curiosity there and it was all horrid coom from every boardThat's normal. But depending on the series it's not like that. Or the interest. /toy/ is excessively chill about their hobby and I watched a great Bratz thread one time.
/a/ is waifu posting unless the series is something that doesn't attract those kinds of people like Thunderbolt Fantasy. The best threads on /a/ are them.
No.6133
>>6127I don't understand what they're saying with their post either but suggesting you're to old to know what/who Carlton is kinda funny considering Fresh Prince aired about 30 years ago haha.
Understandable if you're not American though!
No.6134
>>6133I didn't realize I didn't make things clear.
Basically, anon made a post saying "ngl" with a 3D pic. And anon after called them out saying tiktok lingo. As tiktok is associated with kids and people mostly immature. That's when I responded to the other anon with the widespread disdain for the youth using /a/ specifically as an example since it is the mother/sister image board. Without counting 2ch
No.6136
>>6125>pushback against zoomersTbh I like some zoomers but they tend to be the loudest and most shallow part of any fandom, even when they are in their early 20s, they write really bad, reference memes all the time and their whole personalities are borrowed from their peers, so yeah, other fans get annoyed with them.
No.6137
>>6136>the loudest and most shallow part of any fandomPar for the course for younger people who inherently have less experience living, but it is genuinely kinda of embarrassing once you hit your twenties and have nothing thoughtful to say. What fun is there in art if you're not gonna use your brain?
No.6139
>>6138Well, what's so dramatic about what I said? I didn't say it was a big deal? Lots of little things are embarrassing.
No.6141
>>6137Yeah I am this anon btw
>>6136for example the mouthwash fandom is full of zoomers who kinda ruined the game for me because of how loud they were, i still love the game thou
No.6143
>>6128Okay thanks, I didn't know that "dance" so I had no idea what you were referring to and I dropped DDD quickly (and hated the OP tbh so I didn't even watch it). Because of this I have no opinion on it since I neither know the original nor do I care about DDD but I imagine the fanbase to be horror. I use /a/ too but never clicked a DDD thread.
>>6131>The best threads on /a/ are them.Agree. Sometimes I am legit sad when good series somehow include an underaged girl because it will always make the threads shittier. The best ones are for series with literally zero women or only one or two that are adult, because the retarded coomer fanbase isn't attracted to women past a certain age and loli fags in particular are the most obnoxious people on earth.
No.6144
I don't really give a shit if this comes off as woman hating or whatever but I don't want to consume hetero content (for various personal reasons) and I'm tired of non-fujo women invading fujo spaces. Fuck off. You have so many concent made exactly for you yet you have to come and screech about your vagina in fujo spaces. If your content doesn't satisfy you then make it up yourself like fujos do regularly instead of taking fujo shit and turning it into your hetero slop. Idc if they're still women, I don't want to see or listen to them when I'm trying to only consume fujo things for comfort in my free time. Even my fujo drawings get attention from non fujo people yelling "husband!!" on my beautiful gay anime boy shit. Just let fujos enjoy their fujo things without bringing up hetshit.
No.6145
>>6143>best ones are for series with literally zero womenPls drop recs
No.6146
>>6144You are absolutely right.
I wish they stopped trying to join us with the fake multishipping shit too.
It's so obvious they give zero shits about the gay ship and they just pretend to ship it for clout, all while their accounts are dedicated to posting het ship fanart 24/7 and arguing with randos over how much some mc loves the girl lmao
No.6147
>>6144One of the issues I have with mixed series and het or yuri is that the threads are likely to turn to shit since the majority is into that so you cannot discuss the fujo content in peace anymore. Even if the majority SHOULDN'T be into het/yuri the few fans of it will do their best at being as obnoxious as humanly possible.
And the even bigger reason is that authors are almost always very unfair when they do both. You don't have to be afraid of getting cucked or witnessing a tragedy in Bravern which is purely gay, but if a series has both chances are very high that the author will openly favor the het couples and do their best and telling you so by making your characters suffer and treat them differently.
That aside, for fujo spaces it's even more extreme. These people have everything, they're the majority. Create your own fucking discords and spaces already. They only invade fujo spaces because we are the only dedicated fans that actually make art, fics and discuss things on twitter.
In the mixed spaces I know it's always the real (non-tranny) fujos that discuss canon and make fanart. The hets, fake-fujos, trannies etc are always stuck to OC and *sona crap.
No.6148
>>6144I admit I am a bit annoyed when I see people reblogging my art and saying shit like "LESBIANS" when I am clearly drawing two soldiers or samurai with muscles, defined male faces and beard interacting lovingly.
I don't even have an issue with 4chans "[best guy] is a girl" jokes, but when I see it on other places I always know that they WANT to make them lesbians and that's not what I was drawing and they are not the people I am drawing for. There is enough canon and hinted yuri everywhere, why do they latch onto my men? Like I am not offended and don't want to prohibit others from thinking whatever they want. But I don't get WHY. Why can't they have fun with the plot, speculation, characters and lore? Why does everything have to be about gender or whatever the hell this stuff is?
No.6149
>>6148Ignoring troonshit for the moment but something i noticed is that male-to-female gender-bending is way, way more common than female-to-male. Like there isn't enough porn of women in the world somehow, they need to turn male characters into goonfuel too. Joseimuke communities are rampant with gender-bent boys (especially turning BL ships het), but the same is basically non-existent in girl cast games like Im@s. The most you get is one-off "omg what if [x] was a boy" but no one is there turning the female characters into BL porn. Those types of people invade our spaces specifically.
No.6150
>>6149Imo F->M is less common because most of the people genderbending male characters to female are straight women so they aren't into series with female majority casts like IM@S in the first place. Additionally, most of them are closeted hetfags so they see the uke interchangable with women, I rarely see the seme being genderswapped unless they're doing futashit but even then those people will post F!uke content more.
No.6152
>>6149Doubleposting but in some corners of the internet F->M is looked down upon for progressive/feminist reasons. Either because "you can't enjoy a female character unless they're male!!1!" or accusations of taking away the few good female characters that exist or whatever the fuck else. Genderbending a yaoi ship to yuri is quite common now but whenever I see someone do the opposite they get a bunch of people shitting on them.
Also, anyone seen the spike in people being elitist about yuri vs. yaoi? I see so many popular tweets that imply yuri is inherently better than yaoi, all yaoi is slop garbage, and only low-brow people like it while true intellectuals are into yuri. I know this mindset existed way back already but it's in full force now. A fujo made a harmless meme tweet about yaoi being their Thanksgiving turkey and it somehow unleashed the yurifag horde.
No.6154
>>6150>>6152That plus the large amount of men that are really into M->F genderbending. There's even tons of original stories about it. In comparison, F->M genderbending is even more niche. Kinda like traps vs reverse traps, lolicon vs shotacon, harems vs reverse harems, etc. Yaoi is the only one that beats out yuri, but yuri is still more mainstream.
No.6155
>>6149What I hate so much about M->F is that even the women always coomify and lolify the men.
Like one of the dudes I love is LITERALLY some older muscular man with wrinkles and a beard and I would at least accept it if he got turned into a 40+ year old woman that look like 40+ because these characters are non-existent from media. Women are usually underaged and in their 20s at best (and regardless of age they will never look older than 18).
But no they turn him into a skinny school girl. What's even the damn point then? They basically just take his color scheme, there is nothing else they still have in common.
No.6156
>>6150>straight women so they aren't into series with female majority casts like IM@S in the first place.This isn't really true, the female fanbase of these games is indeed smaller but it still has a lot more straight women than you'd expect, but you're right that the women who gravitate towards female idol games and the like are there specifically because they want content of girls…but that just confuse me even further about female fans who gravitate to media with all-male casts just to turn them into girls…? This never happens in reverse even though all-male media is far rarer than all-female media in the anime sphere. CBDCT is an endangered species but even when fans of that are starving, they don't turn to the gazillion CGDCT. But the opposite happens all the time even though there's less real estate to colonize to begin with.
No.6157
Because I'm already endeared to the characters and invested in them from having followed them as men, I can enjoy art of them as women far more than canonically female characters. When I see a series has male characters neurons activate, I'm interested, I enjoy. When I see a series has female characters, doesn't always do anything at all, often I feel some disconnect that stops me getting truly attached to anyone. In addition I can look at sexy girl art and not feel anything particularly about the character maybe just body features, but if it's a character I know and like then I can really feel something. Bunnygirl with curves? Eh, dime a dozen. Bunnygirl with curves but it's Tonbokiri? Hell yeah. It's another way to explore the character.
No.6159
>>6042I'm jealous because you'll see more yuri due to this than you'll ever see anything gay in a canon. You're right, it's not the same as reading a SoL BL. Getting any fujos victory in the type of canon not usually for us would be a different type of high.
No.6160
I got warned and messages removed in a discord server for using the word "brocon" to refer to a character who's obsessed with his brother. Nothing sexual or romantic just a total nutcase who tries to control who his brother talks to. I've had to sit with this for days while the rest of the server happily chats about Harada, Mouthwashing, and Slow Damage rape scenes. A character in a totally PG-13 anime is apparently waaaay more objectionable and corrupting the youths of this 18+ server than pornographic violence. Please think of the children or something, I don't know.
I think I got too comfortable in my usual fandoms where people ship brothers on the side and do what they like. It's no big deal, they're fictional, and it's usually a one off porn doujin so whatever, think with your clit. To get slapped for just summarizing the plot of a show without any implication I shipped it or that anything happened between the characters was a shock and I've got this feeling like I want to slap them back with how stupid that was, but I'd rather not get banned and miss out on free downloads off the people buying magazines and streams in here. I got plenty of mileage talking about ships with some like-minded people for hours, so I was overlooking the owner chasing me for the most minor shit about tagging and offtopic (fuck you, some 20-somethings talked over me about random fortnite shit when I was typing date scenarios and you didn't do anything), and then INCEST is what they decide to pin on me and refuse to let me talk back on. I'm fucking forbidden from talking about this harmless show which the owner two days later starts posting about watching. The fuck. Are they trying to bait me to kick me out or what? God.
No.6162
>>6160not to instigate anything but i feel like its a vendetta. Especially considering everyone else in the server talks about dark content like rape, harada mangas.etc incest is such an egregious trope to strike a warning against in comparison. If it was a squick why cant they just make a containment channel for discussion instead of silencing people who happen to have different tastes from the owner I just dont get it. Its why I could never really stay in BL servers for too long even if i end up finding some friends and decent conversation on occasion; Mods usually have a powertrip on what can and cannot be in the server and it starts getting finnicky when so many fujos have different tastes and landmines.
No.6163
>>6160Is this about Youkai gakkou? It'd be extra silly cause they literally use the term in the anime. I'm inclined to agree with
>>6162 and suspect someone has it out for you.
No.6164
>>6152>Also, anyone seen the spike in people being elitist about yuri vs. yaoiThat's funny because I tried to look into yuri several times and it's either just straight up coomer porn with giant tits, loli shit and the ones that aren't have bad plots and boring dynamics, either wholesome or comically "toxic". Yaoi has so much variety and with so many different types of ships, dynamics, crazy, cute or sol plots. Plus not sharing a fandom space with males makes it automatically better.
No.6165
>>6157Same, you put it so well.
No.6167
>>6164> and the ones that aren't have bad plots and boring dynamics, either wholesome or comically "toxic"You basically mentioned an almost binary dichotomy and say everything falls into it. Well, sure. It's like saying everything is either wet or dry.
No.6170
>>6155There is kind of a reverse where cute girls become handsome older looking ikemen when genderbent but I want them to stay cute boys. I definitely noticed it looking at Touhou and Vocaloid genderbends.
100% agree with you on the M->F genderbending too. I just want to see hot mature looking women (without them having generic milf bodytype with tits down to their waist)
No.6177
>>6157A charactersexual without limits. I respect it.
No.6178
>>6162>>6163Okay no joke, today the owner accused me of doing something because I was in the same channel, but you could just read the username attached to the the image and it was not fucking me and even interrupted what I was doing. They must really have me down as a troublemaker for some reason, but they're still using formal language about it so I'll pretend not to notice.
On the other side of things the other users seem to like me and enjoy my writing so haha you can't stop me dropping walls of text and getting positive engagement~
No.6179
>>6178>using formal language about it so I'll pretend not to notice.Mean girl RP moment.
They bring out the fake lawyer talk when they want to have the high ground by talking in circles and have 0 point.
No.6183
I like het ships waifubros like (example bakemonogatari) at least they are dynamic, het ships yumejoshis like are usually the most abhorrent self insert ships ever, like man does everything for nice girl, rinse, repeat.
No.6184
>>6167I meant that it's almost always those two things, no in between. And I forgot to write it but it's always some office or school setting. In my experience they are rarely nuanced or creative like yaoi can be. There are exception, and there are also bad yaoi, but maybe because fujos make so much content compared to yurifags (and the ones making most of the content are males into porn) they also manage to shit out a larger number of good stories.
No.6185
>>6184For example, there isn't a yuri MADK, there isn't a yuri-leaning sports anime that has the same feel as Free!! or YOI (most yuri-leaning spots anime involve awful porny shit with gigantic tits and the girls being stuttering moaning idiots), we don't have yuri DMMD. I know good yuri exists (and it's often made by fujo authors) but it's not a lot. Or maybe I don't know where to look?
No.6187
>>6185cgdct is not explicitly yuri, most of them, but still is part of the moe culture where no man exist and the focus is the relationships with a full female cast. maybe ppl won't consider it yuri, but they have their own stuff something we get more rarely in anime and is more present under the otome side of the joseimuke umbrella
No.6188
>>6184The best yuri I've found are Korean Manhwa that's aimed at actual women. Or people making non-porn yuri content because they actually like it instead of virtue signaling. Female fans and Asian fandoms for shows that aren't meant for explicit yuri are better. I just make up my own content too. Yuri gives you the opportunity to have an equal relationship between two women outside of het stuff, I wish it just had the inherent popularity yaoi does among women. But most are straight despite how much gay larping there is on the internet
No.6190
>>6189Disabled boy dating sim would be awesome, though I would have been happy if Kenji got his route like originally planned.
No.6191
I love fujochan and I'm glad it exists but I miss the fujo threads on /trash/ before the moids shitted everything up. I miss how fast they were. Sometimes I wish fujochan had more activity but quality > quantity works best here which is not worth compromising. They just serve different purposes
No.6192
>>6191They were okay. Because real conversation with fujos is so rare on imageboards I hated how ephemeral they were. I was also kind of butthurt because that kind of posting would have been fine on /cm/+/y/ back in like 2005~2015 but noooooo fujos gotta go /trash/ if they want to talk now.
No.6193
>>6192I started with it's time on /a/ and even those don't really feel right. /cm/ can have its good threads but they WILL be really slow. I think this is the single fasted thread on this board right now.
I think it's the lack of awareness AND how making a space specifically to deter troons and chuds requires it almost being a secret to make Quality discussion. I'm not personally big into r18 discussion even though I do love doujinshi and fanfiction, but I hate if at any given point I want to talk about a fetish fic I found, /y/ is my only anonymous choice and I feel like I'm typign in a pornhub comment box.
No.6194
>the horror when you see members of your active fan community slowly leaving your fandom and drawing for the most generic shit you can imagine (usually one of the same three biggest gacha or the most recent big mainstream shounen)
This is worse than seeing accounts just going silent. It wouldn't even bother me if they discovered a new random fandom, I might even be interested or happy for them. But no, it's never anything unexpected, it's always one of the damn same five things. I sometimes wonder if I am brain damaged or something for being unable to get into HonkaiSR/JJK/MHA/Naruto/DDD because it seems like I am the only person on earth who doesn't love at least one of these.
No.6195
>>6194What's DDD? You arent the only one nonna, not a fan of any of those but I can be mad at good art even if it's not of a series I like. JJK and Chainsaw Man in particular have boatloads of fantastic fan art but I felt tricked after checking them out because the fandom was clearly above the source material lol.
No.6196
>>6195Yeah I feel this. Though to be honest I always unfollow when someone is obviously not drawing for the same fandom anymore. There are too many daily posts on twitter, so following people who are into different things will just clutter my timeline. Maybe I am autistic but even when I see how good the art is I don't really care about it if it's about a series I don't know anything about or something can't see the chemistry of. There is so much great Goro art, but I still feel like I wouldn't care about this dude. At least not anymore. He looks like something I would have loved as a teen lol
No.6198
>>6193I genuinely want to know if most users of /cm/ are either too braindead to talk or if they can't speak English because there are so many that just come to spam the pics of their favorite and they never ever say anything even if you try to start a conversation.
Worse, they even do it in the /a/ threads for the same series. This makes me especially mad because my current favorite series is rarely getting threads and everytime it does one of these idiots come to spam their fanart without commenting on the new chapter and it makes fujos look stupid and helps reaching the bump limit faster. If they care so much about their character they surely could at least talk about him.
No.6199
>>6191Slow quality discussion is good but I also like faster threads when I am posting horny shit and don't want to to read my own posts the next day.
No.6204
It's always so sad to join a fandom years later and find that there's literally no content for the ship you latched onto.
No.6212
>>6185Re: sports, we did get Birdie Wing. The second cour didn't quite keep up to expectations but it had great absurd sport moments that reminded me of Beyblade in a way. I think they should aim for TeniPuri style girls sports shows, UmaMusume felt a lot like that ignoring the idol parts being canonized.
>>6188Some of the better het romance leads I've read were from Korean series too, they have a whole genre trope of young adult alcoholic idiots who fuck around and find out, and it's good fun to see when they bother making the rest of the cast respond to it. Maybe it feels cookiecutter to others but I like characters who meddle and have to worm their way out of messes.
>>6189/oc/ beckons you, nona. You can spam dump the concepts you want to see in the invent a BL thread and see what others can add.
I'm totally not just saying this because I posted enormous walls of text in the past year and still feel self conscious of being the only one that autistic. No.6263
I’m a bit down. Reread the story and enjoyed it, but feeling insecure to post my plot driven fic. I don’t know how to polish writing and different dialogues. It will stay under desk.
No.6321
The fake idolatry of yuri in fandoms, especially in fandoms with light hearted themes gets really boring.
I feel like a lot of them just like it as an aesthetic, yuricore.
No.6322
>>6194I experienced this a few years back when EVERYONE got into vtubers. It was so fucking horrifying watching people from my fandom convert into drawing vtuber fanart or becoming one themselves because I absolutely fucking hate vtubers and their industry. To me it was a worse personal disaster than them getting into some second rate shounenslop.
Another one is them abandoning weebshit altogether and moving onto comics to draw capeshit fanart. They might as well be dead at that point because their style will change drastically and the old one can never return.
No.6323
>>6160>discord serverYou know where you fucked up.
No.6326
>>6321It's always the type of people who are no good at describing dynamics or scenarios between characters too. When someone suggests a ship I want to play with it and see what they're picturing, and it always falls flat to strike up conversations like that for yuri ships.
No.6327
Somedays I just wanna admit my disinterest in yuri without the branding of lesbophobia. I have SSA acquaintances, I'm in support of lgb rights, but I don't want to read yurislop to prove my allyhood. I'm sick of progressive spaces at large treating them as gods or objects for their agendas when they're literally people. The fact there's lesbians and bi women in this site shows me that they're people with agency who can like whatever they want. Fuck the haters.
No.6328
>>6327I'm a lesbian and I give you the permission to not like yuri and still be accepting of LGB people. The overwhelming majority of the really militant yurifags who scream misogyny and lesbophobia at everyone are either born men, coombrained pickmes or actual underage political lesbians, the genuine lesbian yuri fans are too busy gushing over their favourite works and having sex with their girlfriends to give a shit.
No.6329
>>6327You're fine nonnie. Lesbian here, but bl is far more appealing me than Yuri. Tbh majority of it caters to moids anyway. I can't see anything attractive about moeslop, plus majority of the stories lack any depth or relatability to the lesbian experience.
Anyone who would bully you about not liking yuri are either juveniles or pathetic losers who have their heads shoved far up their own asses. The majority of them equate liking porn/media to actual advocacy.
No.6330
>>6327Same here. I view my hobby spaces as hobby spaces so I want them to stay on topic. This is my issue with discords. I can find decent discords because most of the fandoms I am in attract a chiller and older audience, but the one thing I can't escape is genderbending and private talks.
I don't understand why it's so common. There is a character in the fandom I am in whose fanart is, I kid you not, 90%+ genderbending (most of it from Japanese fujos, even) and it drives me insane despite being into two other dudes. Even THEY get it but it would legit make me ignore the fandom if I was into the aforementioned guy.
IRL I am pro gay and progressive, but there is a reason for why I join "yaoi ship" forums, twitter spaces and discords and it's the yaoi part of the yaoi space.
What makes it worse is that the fem versions have 0 in common with the originals. It's cowtits and more cowtits, ahegao and ughuu faces or sexualised "JK" or lolis.
Worst, it also attracts fucking coomers which makes it worse because the show is a sausage fest with HEAVY fujo pandering.
Do you really need to poison one of the rare fandoms we get by attracting fucking otaku? I am tired of seeing the cowtit art posted on 4chan for a series about men and male relationships, including heavily implied gay ones. There are tons of series pandering to them.
No.6331
>>6330>There is a character in the fandom I am in whose fanart is, I kid you not, 90%+ genderbending (most of it from Japanese fujos, even)One half of my otp is also like that too, a lot of Asian artists like to make him a woman just to have an excuse to draw vaginas and huge breasts. At least it's on social media and they tag everything in case anyone wants to mute specific tags. Except one but I muted her account and she's trying way too hard to make her fetish look like a regular headcanon.
No.6333
>>6330>character has a distinct theme in his outfit>instead of making his genderbend wear the female equivalent of this uniform they just take the male uniform and give it a ruffled pink skirtTHAT'S NOT HOW DESIGN WORKS
also the female equivalent would be hot and could be tight fitting, what the fuck is wrong with these artists No.6334
>>6331I never understood the coomer aspect of it. Why does m->w genderbending always equal pornifying and over-sexualisation? The same people draw the male pairings SFW with them barely touching each other, but the second one of them turns into a woman (s)he's a drooling blow-up doll with distorted proportions. It's not only annoying as a yaoi fan I also don't like the implications because it seems like sexuality was equaled to femininity. So if you want to draw NSFW you first have to turn a guy into a woman?
It sounds like the flipside of the medal that are men who write angry replies for fanart with sexualised single male characters because the sheer thought of a sexualized man somehow makes their brain implode. They don't just get angry about gay art but even het art if the dude is drawn sexily.
It's so seeing one artist that I respected until now also going down that rabbit hole because she is, actual quote, "addicted JKing these two". It's even two older dudes with beards and muscles and uniforms, so you can imagine that the similarity with a generic high school girl with skirt is zero.
No.6335
>>6333I fucking hate genderbends like this coming from someone who enjoys them.
Yuribends are my guilty pleasure, apologies. I get that artists just want to draw the character wearing cute and frilly clothing for the sake of it but it's just so boring when every genderbend is a big titty woman dressed like a Pinterest bimbo. Designs where the original personality and style of the character is retained have always been more interesting to me.
>>6330>There is a character in the fandom I am in whose fanart is, I kid you not, 90%+ genderbendingWhich character is this? The only series where I've seen more genderbend art than not is TWST for some reason. I'm not even into the game myself but all the art retweeted that comes onto my timeline is them as women, but that says more about who I follow I guess.
No.6336
>>6334>it seems like sexuality was equaled to femininity. So if you want to draw NSFW you first have to turn a guy into a woman?Pretty much. I think this is just a mental hangup that many people, both male and female, have. It's just like the fic writers who only write M/M if it's PIV. It's just Unga Bunga Straight Brain. I think for many women also the potential for impregnation/children is important for them to get off (which is one reason A/B/O is so popular now)
Even in BL the more masculine partner is rarely sexualized more than or equally to the more feminine guy.
No.6337
>>6330Honestly, I never liked genderbends where the guy is reduced to meager waifu. Not even about female rep, they just want a insert for them to enact their fantasies on.
I admit to genderbending sexualized women and yuri ships as male because I just want more cute guys… but at least retain what makes them iconic while also ensuring a new fresh take to the character(s).
No.6341
>>6336>I think this is just a mental hangup that many people, both male and female, have. It's just like the fic writers who only write M/M if it's PIV. It's just Unga Bunga Straight Brain. I think for many women also the potential for impregnation/children is important for them to get off (which is one reason A/B/O is so popular now)I've been thinking this for years now but it's hard to bring it up outside of an anonymous imageboard cause these days people will do the inevitable 'muh PIV sex is queer sex too cause pronouns!! Men can get pregnant too.'
No.6342
>>6334>Why does m->w genderbending always equal pornifying and over-sexualisation?In a conversation about this exact topic apparently it's because "women are naturally more sexier and I just like seeing boobies heehee". People have such severe brain poisoning from being exposed to women being sexualized everywhere that they can't imagine them not being overtly objectified for the male gaze. I get giving them longer eyelashes or longer hair or even a dress just as a fun design experiment to differentiate from the original one but removing half of their clothes to make them look like a stripper or giving them major cleavage is so goddamn unnecessary. For some reason Japanese fujos do this all the time.
No.6343
>>6341>muh PIV sex is queer sex too cause pronouns!! Men can get pregnant too.'So if a non-binary person with a dick fucks a transmasc pre-op in the pussy it's actually queer? Are we seriously calling piv gay? next you'll tell me gay men during anal is straight actually.
No.6345
>>6344I think there was an anon that made an /x/ themed server here, you can join them and have more friends there perhaps? what do you mostly look for in a fujo friend?
No.6346
>>6342>For some reason Japanese fujos do this all the time.The woman is usually way more sexualized even in otome stuff. I don't know if the target audience of straight women usually find that hot or if apparently no one can conceive of not having a woman's tits be the focus.
When I see tiddy genderbends in a fujo log I usually wonder if the artist is bi or a lesbian but it's hard to say because many straight women seem to like malegaze hentai, I think it's a self-insertion thing. As a probably-straight woman I like women being lewded too, but only in yuri. If it's het I want full focus on the guy from her perspective. Essentially the same as being willing to see your fave get fucked by a tentacle monster, but you don't care how sexy the tentacles are.
No.6347
>>6344You should try the friend finder thread here, maybe? I don't play enstars anymore but shumika is based.
No.6348
>>6346A yume dominated fandom I was once in taught me that the majority of them want to imagine themselves as generic supermodels and barbie dolls.
I never understood it because I expected them to be the first people to get pissed about the same tropey depictions of women but nah. Same with the narrative. They love forced marriages and slave feMCs and all that.
I usually play male characters in games but for the rare cases where I play a female character I never made her look like that. I always want them to be odd-looking spergs (like Midori from Eizouken or that frog girl from MHA) or cool big beefy women, depending on the art style and editor of the game.
Maybe I am just too straight to enjoy feminine designs I don't know.
No.6349
>>6348>A yume dominated fandom I was once in taught me that the majority of them want to imagine themselves as generic supermodels and barbie dolls. Ohh you have no idea, even the yume that wants to portray herself as the next-door girl will basically always make that girl some kind of angelic beauty that all men want to be with
No.6367
>>6366I casually enjoy yuri but holy shit it's the most poisoned fandom I have ever seen. As you said it's filled to the brim with coomers who are too afraid of male 2D rivalry, a ton of trannies and nuhimes like that.
I also love the constant narrative about female only series and games not being a thing. I strangely have a hard fucking time finding more than five sausage fest anime per year and none of them are even real ones, they are at best male-centered but with female characters (that some of the dudes will most likely be in love with). There are so many girl only games since otaku took over I don't know why she claims to have trouble finding those.
That aside, you shouldn't hate on other fans for enjoying other characters. Jesus. I always share my fandoms with fans of characters I don't like and some het shippers. Just be nice to each other.
No.6368
>>6366Are you sure these are not trannies?
No.6369
>>6368Other nonna here, I am not online enough to decipher what this person is. She(?) has "she/they" pronouns in the bio and a strange flag I have never seen. Does anybody know what that means?
Her reply to the AFAB post also confuses me, it seems like she is anti-transmen? But then I get why she would use "they" for herself since it's similar. Maybe it's a male coomer aka TIM? If that's the case would explain some things. I have never seen anybody hating on men (and therefor fujos who enjoy 2D men as well as TIFs that identify as men) as much as male trannies. But the flag doesn't seem tranny.
Anyway useless to speculate I don't know shit about that stuff.
No.6370
>>6369Why is this thing mixing the lesbian flag with the Albanian flag? I've never met a woke Albanian who would know all those terms like 'afab', or use pronouns in their bios.
No.6371
>>6368>>6369The OP is a male tranny. He has TMA in his bio which means "transmisogyny affected".
No.6372
>>6371lmao okay thank you. Never heard of that before.
Well that further convinces me that the most fanatic haters and bitches are tranny males. These people fail to pass as women so they project all of their self-hatred onto men, fictional men, TIFs/transmen and even women that like men in whatever kind of way.
His gf also has "lesbian" in the bio. How dumb must you feel to do that? I know that this hate can theoretically come from all kinds of trannies but the ones that pass seem to be chiller so I bet he's just a dude with colored hair and female dress. Must be fun to tell your friends IRL that you are lesbian after showing them your fat manchild bf.
That aside, I am also absolutely not pro tranny, but the way such people throw TIFs under the bus rubs me the wrong way. At least show some solidarity to your kind if you others to respect you in return, bitch.
>>6370Thanks I have never seen the lesbian flag in my life. I only recognized the Albanian emblem.