No.5288[Last 50 Posts]
Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
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>>861 No.5291
>>5288I hate being the type of fujo that doesn't like romance series so I stick to seinen, shounen and original anime which is fine per se, but unless it's a pure sausage fest that filters 100% of all otaku you always have to share the threads with loud, aggressive coomers and their stupid harem and loli rape fantasies and aren't allowed to post freely about fujo shit since it might trigger them.
Big KUDOS to creators of series like Golden Kamuy and Bravern that filter these shitters hard. The only threads I genuinely enjoy posting into outside of FC.
No.5296
Maybe not a fujo-specific concern, but I hate that doujinshi culture never really took off for English speakers. I buy and enjoy zines, but it'd be cool to purchase more physical fancomics.
No.5297
>>5296I feel the exact same way. I'm making my own right now (slowly) but I would like to by some from others myself… I personally just find them cooler.
No.5298
Not really a vent. I wish there was more thriller/horror movies about men kidnapping men, caging them in basement or bedroom with collars on their neck/limb. The amount of women in basement trope should be balanced with equally pretty guys. Where even to find them???
No.5299
I wish I could go back to 2016/2017 and assassinate whoever invented the pro/anti discourse so that I can ship my beautiful anime boys in peace without having to worry about teenagers sending me death threats. Take me back to the times where everything wasn't so black and white and when everything didn't have labels or names.
No.5300
>>5296I know I can just make my own doujin and post it on the internet but the social aspect of printing your work of passion and selling it at a con and meeting other people who like your work, as well as browsing other people's work, is what I wish I could experience.
The fact that most doujins are never reprinted or put online and stay physical only and limited to the eyes of a few people though, that's the only part I don't like. I would happily put all of mine online when they were done selling, but most people don't do that.
No.5304
>>5296God this. I wish I could participate in non-English zine events they are way less toxic and annoying and I want to see different cultures and people. I am German but participated in a Russian zine event some years ago and it had TOP tier artist. Way better roster than the US ones. So many talented people we motivated each other and two fans and I ended up drawing three artworks instead of one because that's how fun it was even though we could barely communicate.
I want this more often. Maybe it's just my fandoms but I have the issue that US artists either simply DON'T EXIST for the series I love even if it's a big hit in Asia or the English artists largely suck ass. Like I am sorry I don't want to be mean. But you know the "tumblr style" meme? It's mainly this.
No.5305
>>5296Printing services in the US aren't as accesible like japanese printing services are, they want to treat you like a renowed magazine/book publisher with a MOQ of 100 copies instead of just being able to have 10 copies to bring to a con.
Zines are kind of treated as "products", in which you need to have so many "mods" and "finances" and whatever else compared to Doujinshi which can be low-effort and printed in very low quantities, but it's a 'everyone can do it' sort of thing. Zines tend to build cliques around them or that you must be a well-known artist/writer to participate which goes against what Doujinshi are imo.
No.5306
>>5299I remember how Ovan/Haseo were the first characters I actively shipped and drew and I sometimes wonder if I would have gotten shit for it if it wasn't 2007-2009 because Ovan was an adult of 26 years and Haseo 17 at the beginning. I am even convinced that they made him turn 18 in the games on purpose so that you can ship him with adults without issue but he's way less mature than Ovan so the age gap feels bigger and I bet this would have been an issue for antis, especially since Ovan was playing the role of the backstabber and antagonist for most of the story.
>>5301I wish doujinshi and merch buying was easier and wouldn't always need you to resort to a forwarder and type in a Japanese address and all that shit.
Ordering from Mandarake is so chill because you don't need to do it but they only sell second hand dj.
No.5307
>>5296I wish every LCS in America had a section for "fandom" stuff and could double as a fandom/fujo gathering place. I also like to buy zines but I have so few because like
>>5304 says the collaborative nature of them means there could be an artist or two you don't like (also they are way more expensive/involved than jp doujins like
>>5305 says, so I can't buy them willy-nilly). There have been a lot more indie books/comics/games in the past decade and I hope that opens up doors for cheaper physical print for everybody. IIRC selling doujins at/around cost is what keeps them safe in that grey area.
No.5308
>>5307>I wish every LCS in America had a section for "fandom" stuff and could double as a fandom/fujo gathering placeNow this would be an idea to keep these things from dying. Not America but there is a nearby Yu-gi-Oh fan place that was formerly a merchandising shop which is very popular and full of YGO fans that meet there every day to play cards. Imagine something fujos but combined with a manga/comic store.
One of our manga shops has a second floor with a few seats and you always see people chilling there and talking, but it's too small for a group.
Anyway I absolutely want fandom stuff. There was a shop here that sold some doujinshi once but it closed ages ago and I in manga shops I strangely only saw a Made in Abyss fan anthology so far. They should do this with other series.
No.5311
>>5291as much as it annoys me to be in the same proximity as them, i do get some sick vindictive joy out of pissing off scrotes who whine about fujos ruining everything but have no issue with ooc hentai slop of their waifus; shipping is only bad if it doesnt make their dick hard it seems. i especially love telling them to eat shit rather than act meek like they expect and call out them out for their shallow tastes of the media they vehemently 'defend' from the fujoshi menace (when said fujoshi menace invests more time and care into the show)
I
will draw your self projection badass mc taking dick up the ass and moaning like a girl, seethe and kys
stupid moid.
No.5326
>>5311I get it. If you think about it, when you live rent free in someone's brain you hold power over that person.
No.5331
>>5311It's a good attitude. They need more backlash that is just obvious enough to convey the message but not extreme enough to derail.
It's almost comical how bad their characters usually are. Even canonically. Most mangaka that write a girl into a story for fanservice don't waste a single thought on her personality, they are never written as characters but cardboard cutouts to pacify coomers. So it annoys me how easy they are attracted because otaku have zero standards. It just has to have a female body and maybe a personality that isn't too masculine to distract or confuse them and they coom and cry WAIFU.
Compare that to fujos where even most actual fujo shows flop because they sparkling bishounen weren't charismatic enough. And then you get some absolute weirdo that nobody expected to blow up and he's the hit because he's written in a way that you would even love him if he was a grandma (albeit not sexually).
It's frustrating because you don't have to put any effort into writing women because the stupid fanbase doesn't need it they mainly care about pictures.
When I am into a series with mixed cast today and google art it's always 80%+ men drawn by fujos and the rest is almost without exception AI trash or template coomer art with off-model and OOC characters with ahegao cumming to the penis of some fat faceless dude lmao
Why can't men ship? At least draw art of the girl having sex with the male MC wtf is the problem?
No.5332
>>5331>Why can't men ship? At least draw art of the girl having sex with the male MC wtf is the problem?Even when they do draw a canon male with a waifu they usually give him the faceless mob treatment. The ugly bastard fetish is about humiliation/corruption kink. It's not like faceless mob ojisans or monsters raping male characters doesn't exist but it's more common with fujos who are hardcore into a specific guy bottoming. I think most men just don't care about a relationship dynamic and only want to see the waifu getting fucked. If they ship her it's with the guy they selfinsert as, but they don't care about their actual relationship other than maybe some generic housewife domestic life as a leadin to sex. Lots of dudes with impregnation kink but never thinking about how they will raise their ten+ kids or make the cash to support them.
No.5337
>>5333Straight male yurifags who don't want any men involved are the rarest kind, I think. Most commonly you get the guy who just wants a threesome with the two girls, or is only interested in yuri if it's futa, i.e, if there's a dick involved. They're pretty much a direct parallel to 'fujos' who exclusively read and write PiV.
No.5339
>>5337>Straight male yurifags who don't want any men involved are the rarest kindHot take but I think actual full on yurifag men are kinda gap moe (could just be from reading this manga though)
>or is only interested in yuri if it's futaI honestly think this one is the most common nowadays kek.
No.5340
>>5339I agree it's moe, I think the obsession with guys being 'cucks' over liking yuri seems like a very western thing and Japanese men might be less likely to have the same hangups. There have been plenty of big male dominated yuri fandoms like Touhou but all the western fandom yuri stuff is made by women as far as I've seen.
No.5341
>>5340I think it's some weird projection thing, a lot of guys (and some girls) who call yurifags cucks also call fujos cucks for the same reason.
No.5342
>>5340>>5341Cuckshit in general seems pretty western. You never see the east whine about ntr save the few that go global like that one Love and deepspace drama with the bl ban or when some gacha incels went apeshit over their waifu talking to another man. Personally, I never liked ntr apart from a few edge cases but the amount of westerners seething over this shit made me realize why the few yurifags that do exist end up trooning out. They're black and white receptors can't perceive nuance so therefore they must be a girl in order to like yuri–sounds retarded but that's my guess.
No.5343
>>5341It's always self-inserters doing this. Whenever I talk to someone who holds this viewpoint, they call fujos/yurifags cucks on the basis of…us not wanting to self-insert and make the romance revolve around ourselves. They're genuinely unable to understand how to engage with fiction without warping it around your own self. They can't even fathom being an observer, so they equate it to cuckoldry.
No.5344
>>5342Japan maybe (though even then I've seen them drop games when they start pandering more to a demographic they don't like), Chinese people definitely complain about that though.
>They're black and white receptors can't perceive nuance so therefore they must be a girl in order to like yuri–sounds retarded but that's my guess.It tracks. If your mind is already that schizo then trooning out probably seems like a good idea.
>>5343It's so weird to me, I get that some people ALWAYS need to self insert in a piece of media but to then write off people who don't need to self insert in everything they read/watch as cucks? What are they on kek.
No.5348
>>5342>>5344I believe it's because of there is still a stigma with cartoons in many western countries. I witnessed a lot of anons and casual anime/cartoon watchers telling me that they wouldn't watch a serious anime because they watch anime for different reasons than live action. They take the latter seriously, but nothing that is animated.
It baffled me at first, but I heard so many saying this that I must accept that's a common thing. And it explains a LOT.
Most of these people basically claim that 2D can never be good, so you watch it for wish-fulfillment, "ironic" fun or as guilty pleasure trash the same way normalfags are watching horrible casting shows. Fanservice, dumb jokes and other bullshit. I believe that self-insert fags are a similar type, albeit nerdier.
They only view anime as quick way to pacify one specific urge, like how hentai doesn't need a story, it only has to help you getting off. They deem shit like self-insert pandering the sole purpose of anime, so they get mad if they didn't get served what they allegedly ordered. And they think everybody else was the same as them, because they cannot imagine that some people out there are actually taking anime and comics seriously.
No.5353
>>5299Same. Everything gradually got worse around 2014/2015 in fandoms but then the internet as a whole became unbearable in 2016 because of the US elections and it never got better.
>>5301I plan yet another trip to Japan next summer but after that I'll stop for a few years because that's expensive, even with the weak yen. What's annoying me the most is that now that I finally make money and the pandemic is fully over it's not possible to buy anything on toranoana with visa anymore. So when I wanted money to indulge in my hobbies I was broke and now that I'm not broke anymore I can't even buy things I want anyway.
>I wanna to import raws.Buying digital copies of manga online in Japanese could be a cheap option with the weak yen, depending on what currency you have. I don't do it because I don't feel like spending money on a e-reader but sometimes I consider it just so I can have less physical books.
No.5356
>>5355>Do you ever feel like someone has it out for you in anonymous threadsPeople already feel more comfortable being negative behind an internet screenname so being anonymous turns that feeling up to 11 for some.
No.5358
>>5355On anonymous boards it's usually one sperg that just seethes about a show or the fact that it's popular for some reason. Like you couldn't make Vinland Saga threads on /a/ for a year or so because some asshole was so dedicated to shit it up that it turned into a dumpster fire quickly. It's often the same person when you witness that.
I am honestly surprised that I never got hate for liking the wrong character designs though because the guys I like are usually ugly or weird as shit. Like actually weird, not some ikemen with scar or something kek
No idea how someone can be offended over a design though. I can only assume it's a rival shipper or someone that is mad about the popularity of a certain character within the fandom they/she frequent(s), but they way you talk about it makes it sounds like they don't even know it. Maybe mad about the popularity of your show then?
No.5361
>>5355I rarely get mean replies, even when I post something that's debatable or probably TMI
Not sure how much of it is luck, liking things no one else has strong feelings about, phrasing, or if my taste really is just That Good, but it's nice to not get ragged on
Maybe someone assumed from your tastes that you're someone they personally know and dislike, and are just vendettaposting? Idk
No.5363
>>5358I always thought the Vinland mess was more than one guy, considering how many threads are just "grrr feminism bad grrrr pacifism is for babies". In my case I can't imagine it's one person either, unless one of them forgot for five years and suddenly remembered.
All three series were ones that you can count the English speaking fanbase on one hand (far as I know). In one it's literally three people, so forgive me if I don't name them because it'd be super easy to find my posts. As for the "ugly" designs - it's always just regular anime guys? They're typical ikemen with a variety of hair lengths, wearing suits or hoodies, that sort of thing. You can see how I find it confusing. It's like taking a random Bungo Stray Dogs image and going "gross I can't watch this" because they're… guys? In clothing?
Honestly I think if it was freaky aliens or robots people would leave it alone or I'd at least understand what they meant. You have a good mental shield when you can tell it's an unusual design. When you think there's nothing wrong with something and people give these vague negatives it just leads to doubt.
>>5361I don't get ragged on frequently myself (though the fellow fujos calling stuff ugly thing does happen every so often), that's why this week stood out as strange. Ah. Fuck, I think I might have just landed on an answer, lol.
No.5371
I wish the few fujos that I encounter on 4chan still really just started using /cm/ more as a discussion board. It won't hurt you if you make a small little post about something without an image attached.
The imagedump nature of /cm/ is nice and all but it's been almost like, what? nearly 20 years?
It's not gonna change to make a fujo friendly board, pretty sure all the gayshit boards are still up by sheer miracle so the most nonnas can do is at least attempt to discuss things.
The evafags have done well with this but the ones into very niche things never really end up talking…
No.5372
>>5363>Honestly I think if it was freaky aliens or robots people would leave it alone or I'd at least understand what they meant. You have a good mental shield when you can tell it's an unusual design. When you think there's nothing wrong with something and people give these vague negatives it just leads to doubt.Yeah I noticed that lovers of weird, deformed men usually don't get hate. Maybe they are too far removed from anything otaku can identify with or fap to (unlike femboys or shota) and women that aren't into them usually just ignore it. I have seen like one asking how everybody could be into Tsukishima for being so damn ugly lol, but in that case she just asked it because he's insanely popular.
I find it weird, but if it's really an ikemen from a show with small fandom I can only imagine that there is some small active hater circle that dislike him for some very specific reason. It's easier to say "ugly as shit" then to mention WHAT it is that they dislike because the latter might reveal who they are or bring in fandom drama. They might simply hate him because they had a beef with a fan of him years ago.
Sorry deleted the other post for some confusing typos.
No.5373
>>5371>nearly 20 yearsNah the conversation bans started back in 2008ish, before that discussion was allowed. Technically mods never rescinded that rule but it was also never written anywhere except the sticky, which was gone by 2010 so I guess it's been 14 years?
There's been a few fandoms migrated from /a/ or /vg/ that I've joined on there, but every time either everyone disappears over the years or you get a couple months in and one really loud shitter starts attacking everyone who doesn't share their taste in ships. I bitched about it here before but the Trigun threads had some uppity idiot who would accuse anyone posting KnivesxWolfwood art of being an anti coward who was trying to ruin their incest pairing, even though we tried to tell them that most KnivesXWolfwood AUs involved threesomes, we just couldn't post the literal porn on /cm/. It ended up a No Wolfwood Allowed zone when decent non-black top scars Wolfwood was much needed.
What gets me is that /cm/ since the exodus is always full of people who don't sound like channers much and have strange takes I've never heard of. When the regulars of one thread left I found myself some months later sat with someone who was talking about a ship conspiracy that "corporate was forcing down our throats", which I had never even noticed before (they're literally just main characters, are they not allowed to interact?), nor seen discussed in that way on 4chan ever. They didn't have the sense of humor the old threads carried and their opinions were really shallow? They didn't have much to say when they did speak, and they shared images with pininterest filenames and nothing to say about why they liked them. I have continued to make comments here and there about what I'm posting or the newest updates to the series, but nobody converses and I feel disconnected. The only ones that feel worth talking to are still fresh from /a/ or /m/.
No.5374
>>5371I made the same complaint some weeks ago. Fully agree. It's not against the rules as long as you post a pic to accompany the text.
I always try to incite dialogue but in most threads there is maybe one person that reacts, the rest comes, ignores everything posted, dumps 20 pics of their OTP and leaves. They only make the thread reach the image limit faster without any sort of benefit. Nowadays you don't to search much for the art anymore. The newest pics posted are usually the ones you see the second you open twitter. It was harder to collect art decades ago when you had to find all these obscure fujo fan shrine pages first, back then art dumps actually helped me.
Considering that you never get discussions on /a/ it would be cool if you at least had a slower thread on /cm/ then but no.
>The evafags have done well with this The Bravern threads too. It's lively fan talks with pics where anons even link sources and doujinshi and such. Would be cool if all threads would be like that.
>They didn't have the sense of humor the old threads carried and their opinions were really shallow?I also feel like they're full of the bad sort of coomer. Not sure if they are males but it doesn't matter. They cannot discuss ships or plot, they only like the types of characters you casually see /a/nons cumming to saying "not gay" and a lot of art is solo art, convincing me further that it's just some dudes posting sfw molestation of their favorite schoolboy and some invisible man.
> I have continued to make comments here and there about what I'm posting or the newest updates to the series, but nobody converses and I feel disconnected.Same. I feel this. I won't stop doing it but I wish it would help.
If nonnas are seeing this thread don't be shy to use /cm/!!
No.5379
>>5371I have given up on /cm/ a while ago because half of the threads I visited had at least one idiot dumping 50 pics of her/his husbando at once and flood the thread with it. It's usually characters I don't even like, which make it worse. So I find a pic, think it's cool enough to share and even have an idea what to say, only to realise that the NEW thread already reached the image limit again with 0 discussions because some sperg thinks it was their personal image folder.
They also apparently don't give a shit about double posting or even visited the old threads. It can happen that you post something someone else already posted in an earlier thread that's dead now. But if you literally just post the first 100 danbooru fanarts of a series again and again you are an asshole. Especially if it's a slow board like /cm/ where you additionally killing other threads.
No.5383
>>5371>I wish the few fujos that I encounter on 4chan still really just started using /cm/ more as a discussion boardYou're very rude. We have this entire site for that. Just leave that wretched place already - was the 15-min long wait before you can make a post not enough for you? 4chan is over.
No.5385
>>5383I second your point, I dont see the point in trying to change a board culture that has remained stagnant for almost 2 decades when we have an entire site open and prime for discussion. If theyre discouraged because the site is too slow of course its going to remain so if you dont encourage the 4chan fujos to post here instead.
No.5391
How do you all talk on twitter or something? I want to talk but I am too paranoid to say anything. Not even because of antis, I am pretty safe of them but because I feel like even super nice people will misinterpret me.
Like I want to comment on some artwork and just say "This is even cooler than the scene from the manga!" and I mean it but then people might get offended that I implied that the manga scene wasn't good or something. So I can't post it. So I have to explain and this already makes me tired so I click it away again and leave a Like.
I have experience this in real life too. No matter what I say everytime someone hears something I didn't say, misreads between lines and sees implications that don't exist.
It's different on image boards. People actually read what I say here. Though I noticed a decline on /a/ in that regard which further convinces me that most users come from socmedia these days and aren't used to good old honest discussions.
No.5392
>>5391You're probably overthinking it. Most people aren't going to read that much into what you tweet. 99% of having a sane experience on Twitter is curating a sane following of individuals anyway. As long as your mutuals aren't the trigger-happy callout type you'll be fine. Just avoid anyone who often gets into drama or starts shit with people 24/7. You can tell by looking at their TL if they mainly talk about their interests with their friends or spend half of their day rage QRTing others.
No.5393
>>5383I understand nonna because there are at least two series I am fan of that seem to have no other fans on FC yet, so I abstain from talking about them unless I casually bring them up in a favorite-character thread or something.
I try to make FC livelier but I don't want to samefag or post too much if a thread is slow, so at least for now I still need another board to post at even though I am mainly talking to myself there since /cm/ sucks and its threads are often slower FC.
rl;dr let's make FC livelier it's /cm/ in good
No.5396
>>5393Maybe we need to make a thread on /site/ for people to post a fandom they've thought about making an /f/ thread for and seeing if anyone says they'll talk on it. It'd be better than making a bunch of empty threads for small fandoms, and we could discuss consolidating topics where possible for the longevity of a thread. You never know if there's other fans out there who are keeping to themselves too.
No.5397
>>5396We could also make a "What are you currently reading" thread, similar to the currently watching thread.
Or vaguely defined manga threads like "historical manga" or "old manga (before 2000 or something)". The general manga threads are among my favorites on /a/ nowadays because they attract a wider range of anons and most of them are oldfags and niche fags that read the good shit.
No.5398
>>5397A historical manga thread sounds awesome, I really need to find more.
No.5399
>>5398Yeah history stuff is great. I am deeply into it in real life so there is that. But on top of my hobby it's also nice that most historical manga are sausage fests, so there is a high chance of finding two dudes with good chemistry and a lot of screentime together.
Orb getting all that fujo fanart right now is the best example of history manga attracting fujos even if there is no obvious pandering.
No.5401
>>5400>even better that it's basically ignored by westernersIs that some general history issue? I noticed the lack of interest with Elusive Samurai and for how huge Golden Kamuy is in Asia it's also comically irrelevant in the west, at least regarding art. It has quite many fics but I only ever saw a single western artist for it kek
Not sure about Vinland Saga. I think that one's fanbase is more balanced but Bravern comes into my mind when I think about it. Not history, but strange discrepancy between the west and the east. One of the biggest fujo hypes in Japan but crickets here. Not counting /a/ and FC, since we're special places.
On the one hand lack of western hype is good since it means the fanbase is chiller and you avoid ugly art and drama. But on the other side it can sometimes be frustrating if you want to talk about a series and don't speak Chinese or Japanese. Especially if you are into a manga without anime adaption.
No.5402
>>5401I don't think the pandemic anime fans (majority of westerners at this point) ever watch something that isn't fed to them by the algorithm. They aren't real fans. If they don't see people hyping it up on their feeds they don't bother even if you personally shill it to them. They don't care about the actual stories or experience of anime, they just want something they can meme and shoot the shit about with friends. This excludes anything that isn't already popular. Even in the past, of course we had the juggernaut shonen fandoms that were bigger than anything else, but niche shows still picked up fandoms because fans were more likely to judge based off the story and not the size of the fandom. I don't think modern fans even look at seasonal charts. That's my theory at least.
No.5403
>>5391>How do you all talk on twitter or something?I don't. I deleted my account ages ago and suggest you do the same.
If you're asking this question, it means that Twitter and the rest of social media are worse places to interact with people than image boards. You know, places like 4chan - ~~ThE WoRsT SiTe oN tHe iNtErNeT~~. Really makes you think.
>people might get offendedThe entire point of social media - faking outrage and capitalising on it.
>No matter what I say everytime someone hears something I didn't say, misreads between lines and sees implications that don't exist. Very Cultural Revolution by design.
>>5401>Bravern comes into my mind when I think about it. Not history, but strange discrepancy between the west and the east. One of the biggest fujo hypes in Japan but crickets hereNon-Japanese fans are often allergic to mecha. Only Gundam got popular, and perhaps a couple of shows that were not just 'big, silly robots', like NGE, Code Geass.
No.5404
>>5402>If they don't see people hyping it up on their feeds they don't bother even if you personally shill it to themI hate this because it happens to me. Ages old loose friends that watched the same seasonal shit as me in the past won't listen to me anymore because Instagram doesn't talk about my AOTS. I stopped talking to them tbh I am not willing to pretend I loved Dandadan and whatever Instashit is hyping up (and I actually watched the first episodes) and keep quiet about the series I love because the algorithm isn't recommending them.
>I don't think modern fans even look at seasonal charts.I realised that on 4chan recently. Someone was asking for recs of good recent anime. I mentioned the charts and it turned into an argument because they didn't know what I meant with "chart" and didn't understand when I explained it.
I can't even imagine it. I remember that one of the very first anime related things I ever googled in 2002 I think was a fan translated seasonal chart of that season or year. I remember noting down the series that looked interesting to download them with kazaa or whatever it was if I find subs.
No.5405
>>5403> I deleted my account ages ago and suggest you do the same. I don't want to go that far it's the only place for me to post my fanart. I hate tumblr and the other socmedia places are trash and I already have 2k followers.
It's just that I feel weird for only posting art and never saying anything. Maybe it's for the better, but it's still annoying if you are fan of series with 0 other western fans so the only other enjoyers you encounter are Asians on twitter.
No.5406
>>5383>You're very rude.[autistic confusion]
NTA but how is a wish and commentary on the state of a board meant for a certain kind of discussion where it was made to go, rude?
No.5408
>>5406I don't know, it's like writing a company that you prefer the exact same product offered by their competitor. And you're forcing /cm/ into what it originally never was too (it was a board strictly for pic dumping) - then lament why you can't bend that board into your liking. You'll have better luck convincing Hiroshima to make a manhwa&manhua board.
>>5404>because Instagram doesn't talk about my AOTSCan't believe Instagram became a get-go place for anime recs. Just…bizarre.
No.5409
>shonen manga starts, gets like 10 volumes in one or two years
>bl manga isn't a one shot, has one volumes released every two years on average
I don't have a reaction image to describe how much I hate it here.
No.5410
>>5409Shounen magazines can afford assistants for the mangaka and drawing the manga is probably the mangaka's only job. BL is niche, so I presume, many authors have side jobs or create manga in their free time.
No.5411
>>5410I know that in theory but it's been so long since I followed the release of a shonen manga that it hit me like a truck when I did some housework and realised that JJK will have 30 volumes in total, MHA will have like 40 volumes but correct me if I'm wrong, and yet a series like Acid Town is still not over and way shorter despite beginning earlier. It doesn't apply to just bl, thinking about how both series started and ended during Nana's hiatus makes me feel old as hell.
No.5415
>>5409I am a seinen fag I am used to mangaka like Miura or Tsukushi and their two chapters by year.
It rarely happens that I read a weekly series but when I do I usually read it in bunches twice a year because weekly releases are too fucking fast for me I am not used to it
No.5416
>>5414The only thing I know about Mouthwashing is the amount of people on twitter who keep yelling about this guy and how bad it is to ship him because people must not know how bad he is. I'm not surprised it would push artists away who don't want to deal with the mob. You need to wait for the hype to die down and the clout chasers to move onto the next indie game, or pray that something better than twitter pops up for fandom.
No.5417
>>5414I feel this because I am a massive fan of a guy that 98% of the fandom hates so much they're comparing him real life fascists, nazis, Trump and others and most even claim that he's supposed to be a direct representation of either Trump or far-righters in general.
Never gave a shit and just kept drawing him. To my huge surprise I never got any hate for it even though the fandom is rather huge, I've never blocked anybody and I have more than 1k followers on twatter so I am not completely obscure.
Maybe it only works for me, but I just ignore all discourses within the fandom and just keep drawing art that I try to make as pretty as I can to shill my favorites, retweet and do nothing else. I don't talk on twitter, maybe that helps. My only text posts are the comments for my art when I post some and me thanking people that comment on it or praise other artists.
tl;dr use twitter addons that switch off algorithms, don't follow discourse fags, ignore haters and go full out to post and draw what you like.
Haters and antis are AFRAID of self-confidence. So do everything you do happily and self-confidently. They will come at you if you seem insecure about liking something.
No.5418
>>5414>>5417I'm using so many plugins I never see an anti unless someone I follow is posting a tweet of them or I'm trying to find art in English and guaranteed, I will see one shitting their pantsu about how problematic blah blah
Honestly glad Mouthwashing gained traction in JP artist circles because antis actually never. I routinely post fucked up ship takes on my own twitter which inadvertently attracts like minded writers. Never got an anti in my inbox either.
No.5434
>>5408>forcing /cm/ into what it originally never was too (it was a board strictly for pic dumping)Did you know /cm/ used to have a mock magazine? I made it with a friend who ran some of the board's IRC groups. The headlines would all be related to arguments and discussions that had happened on the board that month, though admittedly it was biased towards fandoms we were in. Look up board archives from the 00s, we were idiots but we chattered constantly. What nona is missing is the old culture of the board, from its origin. I don't think that could ever replace FC's wordiness.
>>5414I haven't tried it yet but I was shocked how quickly all these kids jumped ship from spamming Alien Stage comparisons in every fandom to posting about Mouthwashing all over. I haven't been in contact with younger fandom in some time so maybe this is real normal, but it was like watching a massive school of fish change direction suddenly. No obvious instigator, just change.
No.5445
When you're looking for yaoi of a niche franchise you like and it's either old art that was lost in the archives or never saved, or when you're looking for yaoi of even a popular franchise you like and someone just spams mpreg and vore art in the tags
No.5449
>tfw you're so obsessed with a ship that you are too busy thinking about them 24/7 to do anything else
It's good but it's also bad.
No.5454
>>5445>someone just spams mpreg and vore art in the tagshow it feels to use rule 34 as a last resort for niche content but all there is are degenerate western fetish art….
No.5458
>BL manga i like got a 24K hit tweet
joewari da…
No.5459
>>5434Both Alien Stage and Mouthwashing got taken over by the moral police. The former are from yuri fans who keep bitching about yaoi and fujos, the latter also bitching about yaoi and fujos and reminding people that bad man is bad. Younger people do nothing in fandoms but police people now.
No.5461
>>5459>>5459I think I'm done with trying to jump into discussion.
There's no age rating on the steam page. At least last I checked it. So minors are flooding the fandom on top of watching screamtubers. Kids sure love their gore.
Fascinates them.
So it's like they're magnetized while us old folks who know it's just a drawing have to put up with 'jumbalaya' and 'people who ship these characters make me uncomfortable.'
>tfw chan thinks my post is automatedI've had to reword and re-format this so sorry if it looks weird, what even is this.
No.5462
>>5461Call me shizo but I bet money that almost none of the fandom cops have even played it. I am part of a game and a bigger comic fandom and at least there 90% of the antis haven't even engaged with the story the way they should have.
Most of them have their knowledge about canon from other fans and discord fan talks, wikia summaries, fics or (at best) outtakes from the games on youtube.
Underaged would play Mouthwashing regardless of age rating since nobody ever cared about that. But I doubt that many have played it to begin with. These people only latch onto popular stuff in an attempt to insert OCs or try to stay relevant.
I am genuinely surprised that series like Made in Abyss and some other problematic ones I enjoy are free of these people. They really only listen to algorithms and it just happens that their instagram/twitter circle didn't recommend these stories to them.
No.5464
>>5462>Made in Abyss and some other problematic ones I enjoy are free of these people.In the case of Made in Abyss it is "protected" by such a large chud/chud-adjacent loli/shotacon population that fancops are scared of retaliation. If something has enough unhinged male fans on social media, it is "safe" from the kind of harassment fujos regularly face.
No.5465
>>5464Oh this is a good point. This is it. It also explains the other series that are free of them. Even without kids they're all full of menhera, naked dudes and other gay ecchi stuff or problematic content. They only dare to try to hijack fandoms that are perceived as nice or fandoms with a lower percentage of [problematic group] otherwise they're scared.
Only showing once more that instead of staying silent people have to post their fujo art of problematic men.
I noticed that obvious unhinged accounts rarely get antis either. I post fanart with gore, metaphors for suicide or ships of the worst men of the franchises I am into and despite that there are antis in the fandom they avoid me like the plague. Never give in, never give them any attention.
No.5466
I genuinely believe that 95% of all anti and fandom cop sperging gets triggered by a simple fear or disgust of sex. This is why gayness is even more problematic than het, because it's less common and feels even raunchier to a 18yo puritan that wasn't even allowed to touch the playboy or watch an ecchi anime in their teens.
I forgot what fandom it was but around a year ago I googled some huge drama I've heard about to observe what kind of people are involved and how they behave (for SCIENCE). And it was basically all retarded teens and 20yos shipping themselves but losing their shit if the shipping was ROMANTIC. Only friendship shipping.
The characters they shipped were all some twinky teenager blobs and they did dog piling and call outs and aggressive mob attacks against fans that hinted sexual feelings like drawing a character blushing or some shit. It was insane.
I remember reading a bunch of long twitter threads that tried to explain how fucking evil and abusive it was ship such characters romantically and how viewing a 17yo as character with sex drive was pedophilia and a lot of other insane takes. Wish I screenshotted it or remembered the fandom.
Shit made me realise that I am happy to not share their taste. Based on the characters they like they would never go near the kinds of series I enjoy. Thank god.
No.5468
>>5466>This is why gayness is even more problematic than het, because it's less common and feels even raunchier to a 18yo puritanDon't underestimate bogstandard homophobia, a lot of people still just think gay = buttsex and buttsex = gross, especially selfinserters who don't want to see their husbando taking it in the ass but can't say that outright. They might be fine with him taking it in the vag though kek
No.5469
>>5467worse
comments bashing Jimmy on JP accounts where the artist doesn't even speak English. Undoubtedly machine translating and getting what they may think is hate towards them.
JP artists know about fandom antis so at the very least they usually do not engage, but I hate to see it.
No.5470
>>5469>>5467It's really annoying how people can't just enjoy a genuinely evil and terrible character and have to say all these buzzword phrases to justify enjoying him in fanworks, just enjoy the toxic yaoi you don't have to virtue signal in the artists comments so everyone knows you hate bad people or whatever
No.5471
>>5469was chuckling when i saw a bunch of jp fans who think jimmy didn't rape anya and were sad about eng fans being mean at him.
they really live on a different dimension lol
No.5478
>>5466Oh, for sure. I was an "anti" before antis were a thing and I was aged 13, way too young and autistic to understand sex stuff and the nuance with erotica. I was going around telling adult artists that they're icky perverts and they just laughed me off because social media cancellation parties didn't exist back then. It was 100% me being exposed to these spaces at a way too young age and in retrospect I appreciate all the adult women who told me to fuck off because today adult men in those same spaces probably wouldn't resist the temptation to add me on discord and start their grooming tactics.
No.5479
>>5478Sure but everybody browsed or stumbled upon NSFW with 13 so I don't think that these antis are "just kids". I would have never even considered talking to the adults posting porn let alone telling them to stop it because I didn't like it when I was 12-13. Nowadays I honestly associate this attitude with US Americans. I am not sure if I am right, but 95% of the antis and call out crazies I witnessed were from that one country so I assume that people fuck up raising their kids properly there. So many of them think they owned the world and have no qualms oversharing and imposing their will onto others. We could reduce antis to a minimum if it was possible to range-block this one country, I am sure of it.
To me nsfw galleries didn't even feel forbidden. I was just anxious over sexual things back then, so I clicked it away when I saw it. Later, with 14, I SECRETLY looked at it, telling myself I didn't enjoy it LMAO
I think I can thank my one fujo friend that openly enjoyed porn and telling me it's cool when we were 14. Anyway, yeah talking back helps. But I wish we could find the root of the problem. It's not kids being online, it's a behavioral issue (I still blame evangelical fundamentalism for it, at least indirectly).
No.5480
I hate the lack of figures of male characters and the complete lack of merch of male characters that aren't bishounen.
It's comical how often it happens that you get a series where 90% of the characters are male, where the five or so most popular characters are male and they still try to shove merch of the waifu side character down everybody's throat and might sometimes give up if it doesn't sell like hot cakes.
Sometimes it happens that they realise which characters and fanbases actually matter, but it takes time and it's not guaranteed to happen in the first place. I think one of the more comical experiences was Bravern of all things getting merch for the girls at the beginning. The show couldn't be any more homosexual but some exec really thought "yeah sell merch of this girl with one minute of screentime per episode" (nothing against them, the girls are great, but not my point). It's especially enraging with other series though where the girls are nothing but cardboard cutouts that are just written into the series to force in some cheap fanservice or be the waifu of someone else.
No.5493
when westoids on Pixiv who upload to BL tags don't tag their landmines like cuntboy and 女体化 (female version of male character) it makes me want to delete the internet. I didn't come to the fumuke category to see tranny shit
No.5497
>>5493> PixivIt's over. Has been since they integrated English language use. All my favorite artists left. R18 is just Fanbox ads. And worse, JP artists don't re-upload their work elsewhere. They delete everything forever and will quit the entire internet.
So now, my search results per series are horrible 3D render het porn, or badly drawn brownwashing
No.5498
>>5493Pixiv went to shit when they made an English version of it in 2014? IMO. It was coincidentally also the time when Japanese artist moved to twitter in droves, only using pixiv as dumping ground where they post their logs every few months if they use it at all.
I hate how bad the quality became. Up till the early 10s I remember how almost every artwork on there was top tier. Now there is like one or three good one(s) per page and the rest is below Devian Art crap and looks like it was drawn by a kid, at least for most fandoms. I guess it's not just a western issue but the result of every casual getting internet access with phones (phones users are to blame for 99% of everything that makes the modern internet shit so no surprise).
Also pixiv-only users are almost solely hardcore porn loli and shota coomers because they don't dare to upload that stuff anywhere else.
No.5499
>>5497I've seen some artists jump to Xfolio (where apparently AI is a reportable offense) but I'm not sure if it will stick.
No.5501
>>5499God I hope not that's the worst of all. It's completely useless since you cannot even save the fanart. Not even the usual ctrl+rightclick works and there are no add-ons to rip. Sadly one of the artists I love uploaded a doujinshi there but you cannot download it, it's sucks.
No.5502
>>5491These look like they were made for gay men
No.5503
>>5491Still waiting for a single damn Tsurumi figure. Common, his series has a billion gay merch articles already why wouldn't you release a proper figure of that guy then? He only has pic related which is cute, I admit that. But he deserves an on-model figure. He's technically even super handsome if it wasn't for his wound (and latent insanity). Tsukishima has a figure and I love him but judging by common beauty standards he's ugly as fuck lmao
That said I am baffled that GK gets so much merch to begin with. Though it's a pure sausage fest save for a single (thankfully non-sexualised) girl, so maybe they simply had no other option. It's sad that adult men are unlikely to get figures unless the series is popular enough to make it into the top ten. I would kill for an Askeladd fig as well.
No.5505
>>5503Apologies if you've already seen it, someone has made a custom garage kit render of him you can download the files to create your own tsurumi figure! Its unfortunate the avenue to getting a figure of a niche character/subject is to go through the customs route which is already a hell in obtaining and assembling.
Ive included some other Tsurumi custom figures, though im not sure if their GK components are purchasable.
I would also be down with a Tsurumi figure, even a nendoroid would suffice. One of my hopes is that
Wilk's skinned face is one of his nendo accessories kek though the anime would be a little further along for them to do that
No.5509
>>5504My best advice is to make new accounts in that case. You are basically a new person/user then and feel distanced from your old account. Even if you think your fics are shit, there might always be someone that thinks otherwise. And being the author is always different from being the audience that rushes through a fic in no time.
I just did something similar with twitter and bluesky. I had a burnout and couldn't draw for a year. But I only ever posted super detailed, hard to draw fanart on my main so I made a side acc for sketches and easy art. Anyway my point is: it feels much easier to upload and draw now. The distance helps and it helps that the expectations for this new account are different. I also felt better making a new tumblr account years ago. Same reason as you, I was embarrassed by some of the shit I posted on the old one. But I recently googled my old art and one pic got 3k notes in those years I ignored it! Have no access to that acc anymore but anyway, someone might still like your stuff.
But even if you delete it you should make a new acc, I think it's really motivating to start anew.
No.5511
I haven't been able to get into any BL manga for over a month now. It's like nothing has really grabbed me as of late. I even tried getting into manhwa, which was even worse of an experience because the stories are unfocused and I don't like the art. I don't know if it's a problem with me or if it's really that hard to find what I'm looking for.
No.5512
>>5511Here try this it's an anthology I remember reading a while ago. Personally when I'm not in the mood for something I like checking out short story collections. The theme is "I'm not gay but…" First story is foot fetish stuff though so you can skip that if it doesn't interest you.
https://mangadex.org/title/4f9e2a8f-c975-4130-a51a-ff8bc1bf461aThis is another short one with a dentist theme which I found interesting, mainly since I've never seen a BL with a dentist before.
https://myreadingmanga.info/kobayashi-moriwo-melancholy-melancholic-melancholinist-eng/ No.5513
>>5511Just take a break for however long you need and come back with fresh eyes. You don't need to force yourself to read when you're not feeling up to it, it's not a job. I took a break for like a year once. You'll be able to come back with a fresh mindset.
No.5514
>>5511Try diversifying into BL anime, novels, drama CDs, VNs. It helps.
(Also share you recs in the manga thread
https://fujochan.org/bl/res/3902.html).
No.5515
>>5511It was always hard for me to find BLs to like. I mostly stick to fujo adjacent shows and consume fanart and fics of the hinted ships I like.
No.5516
>>5512NTA, this anthology is so good! Kumota Haruko is a god. Anthologies are a great way to get back into reading BL + discovering new mangaka
No.5519
>>5517Use "popular with friends" instead, it's way closer to the twitter fyp than "discovery"
No.5526
>>5525Could be worse. I have a rarepair where one of the guys only has a dick in like 2 of the porn fics.
Although anon didn't exclude vaginal sex so I don't know what the final numbers actually are.
No.5527
>>5518Honestly thats more than several of my fandoms before even filtering for m/m, the series I'm about to write a fic for has 200+ fics but only 2 m/m
I'd be grateful for 800 something.
No.5528
>>5518Holy shit I always only heard all of you talking about it but never experienced it in person. Is it really that bad? Is this usual?
I am more of a casual fic reader and mostly read Golden Kamuy and Jojo shit that doesn't to have that much of this, at least not the characters I am looking for. I admit I am rather chill when it happens to non-humans like Transformers who are headcanoned as hermaphrodites nowadays, but it's really odd when they do it with humans. Who in Mouthwashing even looks translike? Does this also happen to beefcakes?
No.5529
>>5528>Is it really that bad? Is this usual?Not her, but this is more common in fandoms that are new and skew younger.
No.5530
>>5529Oh that makes sense. Most of the things I am into are at least from the early/mid 10s. There are only two recent series I also like but they have almost no English fics on AO3.
No.5531
>>5529>new and skew youngerLowkey why I don't want any port/remaster for some of my favorite games that are obvious candidates for it when Nintendo's next console hits. The monkey paw curl would turn my graveyards into minefields.
No.5532
>>5529I feel like Bravern is mostly free of them but maybe it depends on how big it is in the west. Bravern is popular but mainly in Asia and the few westerners that love it are on the nerdier side.
I think a series is doomed the moment it goes viral in the west like Mouthwashing. Does Disco Elysium have tranny fics? It's at least as popular as Mouthwashing but I didn't finish the game yet so I avoid fics because of spoilers.
No.5533
>>5531>The monkey paw curl would turn my graveyards into minefields.this is so poetic and so fucking true, i shed a tear
No.5535
>>5532Disco Elysium sadly has a shit ton of tranny fics, even worse is that sometimes they don't even tag them.
I really try to filter them but the lack of care for tagging makes it even harder than it should be.
No.5536
>>5512Thank you. I'll give it a shot. The second story's premise seems like my kind of thing, at least. I also really like psychological stories, which this seems to be. I may just not be in the mood to read anything, but I really appreciate you trying!
>>5513This might be the right answer. It sucks because I want to enjoy things, but it might just not be in the cards right now.
>>5514I'm actually a massive VN fan, and I'd consider it my main medium lol. I actually initially branched out into manga because VNs are not always the most convenient thing to read. I might try to branch out into novels, as well. Thank you for the advice.
>>5515That's a very good way of doing things. I tend to prefer BL media that doesn't sacrifice its story (but still has a pretty good romance). I wish the story and romance were more well-integrated a lot of the time, so I completely understand where you're coming from.
No.5569
how the hell did mouthwashing gain a steven universe fanbase so quickly
No.5584
>>5572I generally blame youtube shitters for every terrible fanbase and shitposter these days. You can notice it on 4chan well if you read between the lines. Haters are often saying shit like "everybody praising this as the best thing ever" or making other statements about fans that literally nobody on 4chan has said. They always have this from youtube. Some e-celeb you never heard of praises something and now the haters of that youtuber will come into the threads to call it "reddit shit" and the fans of said youtuber will watch or play it and realise that they hate it too, but since they want to be part of the mass that likes it they pretend they didn't hate it and were just mad about how fans interpreted it and get mad at them instead.
Fuck youtube, biggest plague of the net and unironically worse than tiktok and facebook, I will die on that hill.
No.5589
>>5569>>5572Every time an edgy niche game gains an obnoxious screeching underage fanbase it's thanks to one of those big streamers with a teenage audience, every time, since the beginning of game streaming. It happened to Slenderman, it happened to FNAF, even recently it happened to Fear and Hunger before Mouthwashing. Youtube funnyman makes a funny video playing the game and it becomes to hot fandom of the month for everyone to sperg over and base the entirety of their fandom on headcanons their peers have because they've only been introduced to it via the filtered Markiplier version instead of discovering it on their own. And it can happen literally overnight and any game can become their next target.
No.5598
>>5509I've settled down about my stuff (again), but I do think I'm gonna consider an alt-account at some point. It does sound nice to have as an option.
No.5606
>>5604>open an r18 fandom discord server>ask where to post my fantasy AU with elves and dragons>get told the headcanon channel where people are talking about girlcock and vaginas and who do they kin from ensemble starsGuys that's not a headcanon what the fuck
>>5584Homothread does this shit too with the bitching at people who bring up anime that has barely gotten discussed or has only been spoken of in a negative light on /a/. They'll just start saying some huge swathe of people are praising it and calling it the best thing ever and falsely advertised it to them and they've been so hurt and betrayed. They're mad at people on some other website. They're furious about some popular western twitter user who has spammed random images with gogoanime.tv printed in the corner and said this is ssooo canon i love them it's for realz gay what a queer icon etc.
No.5609
>>5604I have an anecdote of mine about this. I apologize if I already posted this on FC because I can't remember if it was here or 4chan:
So, I am in a comic fandom. There was a twitter user with cutesy avatar of a guy who is part of a fascist killer commando in the comic. He is cool btw., so I followed her because she draws him as chibi. She does that regularly, uses pastel colors and she talks about headcanons of him. Never very canon related but whatever.
>fast forward TWO yearsI see her getting mad about a mutual posting "comic spoilers". Spoilers of the comic her fav is from. The comic that ended four years earlier. I wonder. Yes, it turns out she never read it. She had all her infos about the series from fans that probably got it from other fans before.
But WAIT, this isn't the punchline yet.
The punchline is that she finally started to read the comic to avoid further spoilers and drama.
And HATED it lmao
She couldn't even finish the first issue so she skipped to the part where her fav appears and realises that he's a actually a fucking villain. So when her followers called him "evil", they actually meant he's evil, not funny lollmao ebil like the fluffy angry cats from your memes.
She sperged about it for a whole day and then nuked her whole account and was never seen again.
It's so funny but also so depressing and unreasonable lol like holy shit. Why do you even GET into anything if you don't care?
No.5610
>>5606>They're mad at people on some other website. They're furious about some popular western twitter user who has spammed random images with gogoanime.tvThis. Yes. It makes me mad because if it triggers them so much then have the balls to tell that to the people in question and not go to 4chan to vent among people who have no fucking idea what they are talking about. I hate the fags that bring twitter drama to /a/ because they're cowards.
And that aside, what kind of bitch do you have to be to be devoid of an own free will anyway? Why do they even give a shit about what others say and watch series because of them? Are they too stupid to notice when they dislike an episode? Just stop watching and develop an own taste.
Holy shit I hate these idiots. Social media and youtube created the dumbest people on earth lol
No.5627
>>5609wow thats hilarious yet incredibly bleak, i couldn't imagine investing this much time and effort (2 YEARS??) into a character I dont even know about. It saddens me how people larp as super fans of a character yet they cant even do the bare minimum of reading up the wiki page to even ~understand~ who they're fawning over. Its even more frustrating when you get your hopes up seeing a fan of a character you also enjoy and try to start conversation about the source material but they draw a blank cause all they know about X Character is the silly shitpost memes from tumblr.
No.5631
>>5609That's really fucking funny. On the bright side I guess they got 2 years of art improvement with their muse. Lucky!
>>5604>i hate sounding like a schizo for actually taking my nerd hobby seriously.Yeah. I've never minded "casual" fans but tertiary fans actively take shits in the pool. I'm hoping the next fandom platform migration (twitter to bluesky) helps shake these lice out.
No.5632
>>5627Yeah they are basically fans of an OC and got merely inspired by a canon work or at least the fan interpretations they've seen of it. It's really strange but so fucking common?
I dunno how it works. Their information about the character must be so fragmentary that I cannot even imagine any cohesive headcanon version of him. Especially because fanworks are very diverse. I drew that guy being lost and blind, someone else drew him cute and playing with his comrades and so on. How do you even form an exact image of him lol
I swear sometimes I wish wikias and shillers didn't exist to keep these people out. I am so tired that every game and comic fandom is full of these people.
No.5650
>>5609This is insane. I don't get how anyone could ever become like that.
No.5652
>>5650Me neither. She drew a lot so it's not like she was just pretending to like it because it was trendy.
For me love is all about nuances. You could have talked to me about my favs that I am obsessed with before I engaged with their story and I wouldn't have cared until I see it with my own eyes. It's all about dialogues, gestures and the behavior and none of this will be mentioned in wikias or youtube opinions.
I recently had an argument with a fan who claimed reading the wikias of an episode/issue was enough. No? This isn't a story it's a summary. How can people not discern between factual summaries and experience? Does a war you experience feel the same as reading about it as rich first world kid? No it isn't. But this is how stupid they sound.
I have a personal beef with these fans tbh lol because some of my favorite ships are unpopular for the sole reason because people refuse to read the canon. They don't have much screentime so all of the gay content and cool shit about them comes from nuances and short scenes that aren't important enough to make it into wikias.
No.5656
>>5652>all of the gay content and cool shit about them comes from nuances and short scenes that aren't important enough to make it into wikias.OMG HEAVILY THIS!! I have a rarepair that gets ridiculed for being a really "random" pairing, and while they've only met once or twice in canon, they have extremely similar narratives where one ended up doing good because of his tragic past while the other turned to a life of crime to avenge it.
This is easily overlooked because one character is considered comic relief, and both characters are used as props to ship the more conventionally attractive and popular character that most fans are aware of because of fanart/edits.
I try to give the latter shipss some grace but its just…. you can clearly tell "fans" are only making ship content of it because one is the safe wholesome adult character ship whereas the other is the daddy dom problematic ship. either way both only exist to "look good" and dont have a deeper narrative besides filling a trope.
No.5695
>>5465This is also why you will see yuri fans being loud and only attacking fujos and never the incels. Yuri fans love to be loud in mixed gender casts, so Hoyoverse games, Project Sekai, Alien Stage, Arcane, you name it, if it's popular with both fujos and himes, the himes will never stop tweeting about how degenerate fujos are and how they're being oppressed by them. These himes who hate the sight of male characters will never stick to the gacha games with all girls, because those fandoms are dominated by a lot of straight dudes who don't like yuri and who will bully them hard, unlike most fujos who will turn over and grovel.
No.5697
>>5609You cannot say this and at least not say the name of the comic sis. That sounds so brutal, and yet I am somehow absolutely not surprised.
Reminds me of the memes that spawned from the riddlebat shipping where people uwufied the shit out of both. But at least I think dano riddlerfags at least knew he's insane kek
No.5699
>>5695Someone on Lolcow said that yurifags like this are like a battered wife taking out the abuse her husband dishes out on her children and that's the general vibe they always have. You will never see them raise a hand against misogynist coomer moids and troons in their communities but other women are free targets to abuse as they please because they're less likely to push back or have any real authority over them.
No.5700
>>5699I doubt any of them was even abused, I legit believe it's unironical femcels. I earned a wave of hatred on that place when I casually mentioned building up muscles for making up for my permanent underweight since hamburgers don't help and a bunch of them attacked me for being a bulimic picme that craves the attention of men wtf
The vibes I get from there is that most of their posters are bipolar people that deem themselves fat and ugly and blame misogyny (men) and "pickme" mindset (women) for having no friends. I swear their vent thread is just nothing but hatred against every type of person no matter whom.
No.5701
I love but also hate it when an anime ups the gay pandering by 100 because it means that you fall in love with a series and get obsessed, only to read the rest, grab the manga or game and realise that most of the cool shit is anime only.
Worse:
Since it's anime only the gay chemistry in the original is most likely pure coincidence and the (usually male) mangaka has no fucking idea what he's doing. It would be enough would he just leave it that way but NO. Since he doesn't care the pairing will almost always be denied at some point. Either by killing one and the one not caring, some sudden het romance or mention of a girlfriend/wife out of nowhere or some other shit that makes it clear it's non-canon.
It makes me wish I didn't get invested in the first place and tbh if it's some super rare, uncommon pairing and unique characters/designs it will hurt for the rest of my life.
People always tell me to just ignore canon and continue with AU. And it can be fun! It's all we do. But honestly WHY. Let it make at least sense. How many series have I read that had two dudes be super close, only for the manga to clarify that they never gave a shit about each other.
Are creators sociopaths? How does it even work in their mind? I guess males that aren't the MC are just an afterthought. So they let them do things together or hug because it's le funny but never thought of them as anything but colleagues because they don't think at all and only relate to self-inserts.
Meanwhile, every girl in the whole damn universe that was nice to MC ONCE is of course in fucking love with him.
No.5702
>>5701I was talking to a man about this the other day. This is just the way men think, and they literally can't grasp the concept of intimacy.
Even when I say "well what if character A was a girl. Could you see the chemistry then?" He said "well then it wouldn't be character A anymore and the chemistry would make sense"
No.5703
>>5702they should just say they don't like m/m ships no matter what and call it a day instead of coming up with pseudo-intellectual reasons as to why "it doesn't make sense".
most of the times we are fully aware "it doesn't make sense" but that does not stop us because we like the chemistry. men don't ship (much less m/m) so they don't get what it even means. at best they absent mindedly support the most boring, obvious endgame het ship of all times because it reinforces their projection on the MC and it wraps up the hero's journey with the reward being the easiest pussy
No.5704
>>5703I think it's more than that. It's not about ships that don't make any sense, but men not understanding why women would interpret two characters as lovers where it absolutely DOES make sense.
Men casually write two characters as super gay. Be it coincidentally for plot reasons or because they think it's funny when one of them princess carries the other, or they fall asleep together or other shit. To them it's just "lol funny because it makes them look dumb/awkward". Or two characters fight together, protect each other, eat and have fun together between the fights.
No matter how close two dudes are written, most men and authors will go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?? These guys gay?" and claim there was zero fucking chemistry when they are actually way closer than any of their canon het pairings. I legit believe it's a mental issue, namely lack of empathy and mirror neurons. I fully agree with
>>5702 who confirms what I experienced.
No.5705
>>5703Talking to men about shipping is very frustrating. Their understanding begins and ends with whether or not they can project onto one half of the relationship and if they find the other half of the ship personally appealing. I've also seen some guys equate shipping to "wouldn't it be cool if these characters fucked?" They can't understand how much more goes into it than that.
>>5704>No matter how close two dudes are written, most men and authors will go "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?? These guys gay?" and claim there was zero fucking chemistry when they are actually way closer than any of their canon het pairings.I'm sorry if this sounds weird, but I think it would be really funny as a thought experiment if, somehow, a series were to get popular among guys and there was a female character written with the same level of chemistry with the male MC as a lot of rivals/best friend characters are, and then, near the end, somehow reveal the character they were led to believe was a woman was a man all along. I don't know how this could be accomplished without attracting male trap fans, of course, but I know for a fact the average FOTM waifu guy would have no way to justify his position at that point. It's so blatantly obvious that they just don't want to see m/m pairings in fiction, but they'll always try to intellectualize it instead of just saying they don't like it.
No.5706
>>5705>>5702This is also why their het ships always suck so hard. They cannot write relationships. It's either an eternal will they/won't they that ends without a kiss or instant love and marriage and the girl being the devote housewife that admires her husbando and the dude is 100% passive. Most of them can't write it to save their lives, so their men are more likely to be written like pairings because the writer doesn't write them as pairing.
They coincidentally get intimacy right but since it's coincidence it never lasts since it's a broken clock which is right two times a day situation. Once they try to develop the men there is a very high chance that it will fuck over the relationship since they don't even see the relationship to begin with.
To them you just hang out with others and do thing with them and don't feel anything I guess. No idea, there are probably studies being made on that thought process.
No.5707
>>5702The whole issue with "friend-zoning" speaks volumes about that. I needed ages till I understood why it's even such an offense. Bc it's not that they're sad that a relationship isn't "more" than a friendship, they literally despise it the second they realise it and ditch the friend, even if it was the best one they ever had. It's just as if friendship means nothing at all. What do they think when they hang out with male friends?
>>5705This. Or an experiment where someone describes close relationships to them, but without mentioning gender. And then ask them if they think these characters could be in love. Or let them describe one themselves.
I bet they would tell you it depended on the gender and they first needed to know about that, but that makes no sense. They would have had to define signs of romances first and that's not gender related.
No.5708
>>5707>What do they think when they hang out with male friends?Most men don't have friendship bonds at all, all they do with their male friends is shoot the shit and have no desire to even try to connect with them on a deeper level. And then they have the audacity to cry about male loneliness and also denigrate female friendships which are far deeper when they are good ones.
No.5714
>>5706>It's either an eternal will they/won't they that ends without a kissTo be fair, a very popular female author kinda started this trend, but yeah het ships in general have a very unbalanced and repetitive dynamic, the girl is the precious pure figure who can do no wrong and the mc is a jackass, they are too obtuse to get together and yada yada, I don’t know why so many girls like these types of ships,I can’t find any of this interesting or likeable in the least
No.5716
>>5707>This. Or an experiment where someone describes close relationships to them, but without mentioning gender. Describe all the beats of the most popular ships in shonen.
>They argue regularly but in the end they look out for each other>They have kissed>Character A would move heaven and earth to protect character B>There is at some point a falling out and Character A never stops thinking about B>Character B is done but Character A pursues for literal years>Character A eventually rescues Character B but it costs an arm for each of them>Their bloodstains hold hands>They stay in each other's lives forever even though they marry different people >Character B rarely sees their real family and just loyally slinks to character A, somewhat obsessively desiring to be their right handOkay. Is it gay girls?
No.5717
>>5716Oh additional note
>They wear exchanged necklaces in cover art and often think of each otherCome on man.
No.5720
>>5708Oh yeah it's so funny when you can always tell for sure that everybody that cries about male loneliness is a prick who refuses to befriend men because that's gay or something and only befriends a girl if she is romantically interested in him or vice versa and he still has hope. Why should anybody befriend someone that thinks friendships are worth shit?
>>5714Yeah the the big tragedy is that most men can't write women like characters/people to save their lives but are simultaneously permanently jealous or scared of every male character that isn't MC too, so most manga focus their screentime on female cardboard cut-outs and casually write great male characters that are all doomed to die, get shafted or written out of the series because men = scary.
Nothing pisses me off harder than starting a series and knowing exactly who will die and who won't by looking at nothing but the gender.
Also, beefy, wise or cool male side characters will die earlier because they make the author insecure and nobody is allowed to be better than the crappy MC.
No.5738
>>5720>beefy, wise or cool male side characters will die earlier because they make the author insecure and nobody is allowed to be better than the crappy MCThis drives me nuts. Alternatively, he turns out to be a horrible person despite showing no prior signs. Related to that, in a lot of visual novels, there's a token 'loser best friend' who solely exists to be a creepy piece of shit and make the protagonist look like a gentleman by comparison.
>>5706> It's either an eternal will they/won't they that ends without a kiss or instant love and marriage and the girl being the devote housewife that admires her husbando and the dude is 100% passive. Don't forget the ever-popular "girl doggedly pursues stoic, bland protagonist and fights with 4+ other girls over him like he's some kind of prize." They're usually terrible at writing chemistry or even interest on both sides. They never even address how the girl might feel constantly competing for his attention, or how she might eventually lose interest. It's shallow.
>>5708OT but I know a guy who tells me that female friendships are inherently more shallow than male friendships because it's always transactional and based on social status. If that were at all true, males would not be experiencing a loneliness epidemic. Granted, I do know some guys with very close friendships, but I know waaay more women with those types of friendships. My grandma's had the same best friend since she was 15, and I don't know how anyone could say that's 'shallow.'
No.5739
>>5738>I know a guy who tells me that female friendships are inherently more shallow than male friendships because it's always transactional and based on social status.Damn, the amount of male projection on his part is astronomical here, they always keep pushing their own behavior on women. Like isn't this comradery based on transactions kind of "friendship" exactly what manosphere people like Andrew Tate preach about?
>Alternatively, he turns out to be a horrible person despite showing no prior signs.NTA but I hate this so fucking much. Literally every other male character has to be somehow emasculated, embarrassed, defiled or retconned into something horrible because none of them can be as popular as the male self insert MC and their sole purpose is to make him look better in comparison in every possible way. It's amazing how insecure these writers tend to get.
No.5741
>>5740Girl you got fisted by the monkey paw, holy shit.
No.5752
>>5740I am so sorry nonnie, as someone who has been through the same I feel your pain.
>>5741KEK
No.5755
>>5703>>5704Soriku in a nutshell really. And a hint of Samurai Flamenco.
Kingdom Hearts fans can't say they hate m/m. They have to do mental gymnastics to avoid outright saying "I project into Sora ergo he has to end up with the damsel in destress." They'll say 'they deserve to be together they fought so hard' and would have probably ignored or been happy with Riku dying or never being seen again when the crux of his character arc in the first game is being jealous/sad his best friend's attention isn't solely on him.
Any time I see "why can't men just be friends" I know for a fact these people are the first to say "can't wait to see [female character] and [MC] make babies." They want validation for their projection and easy to consume slop standards. And I'm just so fucking tired of being unable to discuss anything in a wider audience because of it.
No.5756
>>5738> Alternatively, he turns out to be a horrible person despite showing no prior signsOr this, yes. It's so fucking funny that I could tell that Eugeo from SAO would die because he was the only relevant male besides Kirito who wasn't evil, so the only other outcome for him is a bad end. Anons called me retarded for this and then it happened. It's so obvious how these people work and believe that this is the main reason for why gayness will never be common. Two men being together and happy is just too fucking much for most writers.
> They're usually terrible at writing chemistry or even interest on both sides. Agree. Chemistry rarely even exists. The moment they get together (if that even happens before the end of the show) the MC acts like before and the girl blushes in every scene she's in or tells MC about their future kids. There is no dynamic, no common ground, no anything and the MC is always passive because he's too cool for love, he just gives the girls the dick because they're begging for it.
No.5758
>>5755>Any time I see "why can't men just be friends" I know for a fact these people are the first to say "can't wait to see [female character] and [MC] make babies."Some of these same men will also then tell you "the story would be way better if the MC's rival/best friend were a girl, they would be already dating by now" without a ounce of sarcasm or irony. So you just know even they don't believe in their own argument.
No.5759
>>5755>"why can't men just be friends"The amount of dumbasses crying about this because of fujoshi will never match the amount of IRL male+female friendships ruined by the boy being horny for the girl. WHY CAN'T MEN AND WOMEN JUST BE FRIENDS???
No.5760
>>5759My conclusion that I've reached over much time is that women can be friends with men, but men cannot be friends with women. Unless she is so ugly to him that he's mentally categorized her as a man, which is also an awful experience.
No.5761
>>5759This is legit the most annoying shit ever. And God forbid you ever try and mention it because you'll near instantly be swarmed by cope about how any affection shared between characters of the opposite gender is actually just them wanting to fuck, or the tried and true "lmao shut up fujo". Like the ONLY possible reason I want idiots to stop yawning on and on about M 'ultra flooding' F's womb is because of shipping reasons, and not because I'm sick to death of having literally any discussion of a cute friendship ruined by M becoming some sex-master chad and F his forever loyal onahole. Or better yet, having threads shat up by riveting posts such as:
>[SuggestivePictureofF.jpg] "M's wife… He's so lucky…">>5755 is completely right, it's the exact same behavior that gets bitched about when it's M/M, but lol if it ever gets addressed as commonly.
No.5762
God I wish the worldwide fujo community outside of FC wasn't so fucking self-hating and insecure.
I am so sick seeing the majority say how gay ships are in the just fan delusions, how we should be happy with bread crumbs or how we shouldn't complain about our characters getting tragic ends.
What the fuck man. For the first argument I get it if it's a crackship or one of those ships between characters that only talked to each other once. Fine. But I see this being said about EVERY pairing even if it's two dudes sleeping besides each other hugging all the time. Do those same people say the same shit if this happens between m/f? Because I never see it.
I get that they are traumatized from bait and switch, I am too. But I don't want this feeling to poison every fandom I am in even if there is literally everything hinting on the characters being at least closer than friends and sharing a deep genuine bond. Sure you can debate whether they have sex or not, but saying there is no love involved because it's just "our delusion" sounds like the crap coomers say to shit on fujos and it spoils all the fun.
Same when they claim that after the smallest canon conflict. Like when two dudes were as close as lovers for ages but then have one single argument or twist that drifts them apart for a while. You instantly see everybody suddenly claiming the shit before never happened OMG - And yes it's even present in the Asian community. The self-hatred is global.
No.5763
My fujo friend group has completely drifted apart and all that's left are people I never want to talk to. What a cruel world.
No.5779
>>5776How the fuck did the Mouthwashing fandom end up worse than both Steven Universe and Voltron combined? When I first saw people harassing artists over Jimmy and suggestive Anya art I thought: yeah that's obviously retarded but I can see how moralfags can justify that in their minds, but over shit like vidrel? Getting to the point where people can't even make silly memes without getting death threats is a level of psychosis unheard of.
No.5781
>>5776yeah one japanese artist made a normal fanart of Anya and I keep seeing on my timeline minors sending him death threats, calling him weirdo, they are also doing it to people who are calling them out, what a shitstorm
No.5782
>>5781To be fair I've seen a ton of male artists posting obvious ragebait art of oversexualized Anya enjoying being raped or begging to be raped to ~trigger the roasties~. That said people should really just ignore them because a reaction is what these childish edgelords are looking for.
No.5805
>>5776>read MW as MW>haha I liked MW, it was pretty fun to re->oh right>nobody would be talking about MW>>5762I've literally never seen this, it sounds like a really grim end of fandom. There's being level headed and then there's barking at people "you can't like that it isn't real, stop having fun".
No.6042
I hate how much the world makes fun of fujos and how my ability to feel and create depends on whether or not I am infatuated with a character or ship.
I was in a depressive hole (again) years ago until I got back to drawing in 2018 because a series gave me feelings and I could do things again. But the moment the character I loved the most was killed in the worst possible way I fell into a hole again. I could still draw, but it got harder with every passing month and I was dead inside again.
Then, earlier this year, I found something I could only call the best ship I ever had. So much fuel it can be seen as canon, a great chemistry, cool uncommon designs and for once no drama or dark shit involved, just two mutual lovers in a shitty world. I finally felt alive again, but like always it never lasts and some time ago the ship got fucked over in the worst possible way because fujos are cringe and it's funny making fun of them.
I am currently still in the phase of anger/sadness that makes me feel like crying, but even that is better than the damn void that will eventually come once I get over it and I hate knowing that it will happen, I hate that it always happens, I hate that every child fucker gets pandered hard because sexualising 10yo girls is cool, but shipping adult men is super cringe and disgusting so let's backstab the fujos that buy your shit.
It's so fucking surreal how every manga magazine is fine with the sexualisation of children but nobody dares to include relationships for gay dudes because somehow THIS is "controversial", but not loli pandering, canon harem endings, raped women, sexual harassment, adult/loli ships and so much other crap. The tolerance for gay shit starts and ends with the sexualisations of traps and that's it, because men can still coom to the girl with penis.
Fucking kill me already.
I wish I could just get into webtoons and SoL BLs but I can't feel anything for the plot or the characters these series star.
No.6050
Why women dominated fandoms are so shitty? It's all policized, with minors tiktokers gendies or basic yumes who literally have shoujogirl as their nick and stan otome bland like characters.
Non-genderspecials fujos are the only fans i love.
No.6051
>>6050Female socialization means constantly living with shame and doubt and needing to punch others down to prove moral scrupulosity. And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.
Moid dominated fandoms are worse but in a distinctly different way. They could use more shame.
No.6053
>>6051>And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for onceThis. People aren't kidding when they describe those fandom girls as Regina George larpers. They wanted to be popular and mean IRL so bad but were too much of a loser to do so, many being friendless.
No.6058
>>6051>And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.tbh I think it's rare but then again they probably latch onto the big hypes that I am never into. But there are ~5 or so in my own fandom and I happen to lurk in a discord of one of them and noticed that all they do is scheming and bitching. They literally never talk about the series, never have fun, never produce anything, all they do is stalking other users in the hopes of finding something to stir up shit. So I don't even know what their purpose is or why they even joined the fandom to begin with. I think they crave attention but then realise that they suck and don't do anything so they don't get it and vent by attacking others.
I knew another person like them in an older fandom and she bitched about her friend who was getting more reblogs because she was actually active. All the other one uploaded was one single pic four (4!) years before but she expected to be as popular as the woman that uploads one top tier artwork every three days and spent 10h a day drawing. It made me realise that these people are legit mentally ill. They don't see how the shit they say is clashing with reality.
No.6059
>>6053This is the entirety of the XIV fandom. Join any group in game. Any of them. Chances are the lead is a woman or woman (male) with this attitude.
Best to not engage and hang around JP. They love making HQ art and screenshots with none of the drama of taking the dumbest moral high grounds possible. When I saw a 'no lewding minor coded characters' (one of which is an actual 9000+ year old dragon that literally has an adult form) I knew the community was done in the west.
No.6062
>>6059>When I saw a 'no lewding minor coded characters' (one of which is an actual 9000+ year old dragon that literally has an adult form) I knew the community was done in the west.I haven't seen that before personally but I'll often see people acting very annoying about Lalafells even though ingame there are at least two named canon lala characters who are horny for tall race characters. I'm not even interested in lewding them myself but the people who insist on treating them like actual children ingame are delusional.
No.6063
I wish women were more like moids in regards to not moralfagging over the most retarded shit, being obsessed with identity labels, and muh activism. Hell, even proshippers are fucking obnoxious with how they try to spin their shipping into queer feminist kinkster liberation while they claim antis are the ones turning everything into activism; just say you find age gap incest hot for fuck's sake. I've pretty much excised myself from engaging with fandom Twitter/Tumblr types because of this so I'm very grateful for FC even if it's a small community.
No.6070
>>6059A shame it is, I wish there was a space to sperge about XIV lore and ocs in eng without having to share space with insufferable troons with troon WoLs, yume self inserters who make their WoL fuck as much characters as possible with no regards to dynamics, or accounts that are both at the same time. I'd especially like to see wol BL content that doesnt have fucking cuntboy/aether strap and tit chop scars on either the characters for once sigh
No.6072
>>6058>constantly living with shame and doubt and needing to punch others down to prove moral scrupulosity. And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.The thing is, they are all incredibly insecure, they literally gang up on one person in the fandom because they obviously don't like their ship, and then proceed to whine on their accounts when they are called out and say
"uh weirdo can't you read"???
lmao
Most of them can't even have good convo and analysis to save their lifes, is all just zoomer lingo and aeshetics, worse of all is the projection.
They literally act like creepy high schoolers, get all of their friends to gang up on one or two people, and then have the balls to go and say
"smh this fandom is so bad smh uwu! those two people in the fandom me and my mutuals swarmed up on are making the fandom so bad uwu!"
It's all so tiresome, at least I know it's all hype over the current popular thing and most of them will get tired of the fandom or the fandom will eventually become infamous thanks to them.
No.6073
>>6063>proshippers are fucking obnoxious with how they try to spin their shipping into queer feminist kinkster liberationTHIS!!!!! i never outwardly labelled myself as a proshipper but I made a following built from those circles since I create and enjoy freak shit, but being in that fandom grew tiring as more and more people made shipping problematic ships into some "gotcha point" to sic it at antis and cram as much problematic tropes into the ship with no regards to how it would work with their canon dynamics. Even worse is when they'd blatantly self insert into one of the characters and blubber up an excuse about how theyre "venting and projecting their insecurities on this fictional character". Just make a fucking OC and leave your fakeboi, self harm, tampon vaginismus trauma out of my fucking normie capeshit holy shit
the ouroboros eventually ate its own tail and multiple creators within the fandom would be the "cancelled" creator of the week. every time the instigators would always emphasize that "we don't claim them in the proship x fandom!!" acting like we're some small friend group and not a bunch of randos who happen to be into the same series. its even more annoying when all they'd do is make memes and joke about the creator getting cancelled, instead of providing context (which even if they did 99.9% of the time the creator is getting cancelled for the most milquetoast reasons or its just a blatant vendetta) these retards treat fandom like a little mean girl clique; only getting into it just because it stirs up discourse since one of the characters/ship is "problematic!!!!"
sorry for blogposting, some days I wish I could create a public account again and make inside joke shitposts to share with other fans of the series I enjoy. its one of the favourite things I like about creating in a fandom, but man do these PC kinkster liberation tards suck all the enjoyment out of it treating it like a moral stance instead of a fucking hobby for nerds.
No.6074
>>6051>And fandom is full of socially inept girls who crave being in the catty mean girl clique for once.The sad thing is, you encounter these types wherever you go. Work, fandom, post-graduate programs, hobby groups, etc will always have at least one insecure woman who feels like she wasn't popular in high school, and decides to make it her entire personality despite nobody having thought about that bullshit in years. The main comfort you can take is that they're all miserable people who struggle to form female friendships due to their constant need to shit on other women. I've never met a well-adjusted, confident woman who acts like this, and the ones who do tend to eventually alienate themselves further from their peers.
>>6063>>6073I like that Fujochan isn't too obsessive about making callout posts and that sort of thing. The worst thing about fandom police is that they'll focus on something relatively small, but they seem to disappear the moment something actually horrible happens. It feels like the person doing the canceling either doesn't like a ship or is jealous of another artist, rather than having an actual moral issue. You could find something problematic about any ship, if you look hard enough, and these people use that to their advantage. It's pretty easy to see why some people say, "I don't like this ship because it's fucked up for this reason," rather than the truth, which is, "I just don't like this ship and I prefer this other one." One makes you look much more sympathetic, and prevents the other ship from being openly posted.
No.6077
>>6074>The main comfort you can take is that they're all miserable people who struggle to form female friendships due to their constant need to shit on other womenActually most of those women tend to have a huge following, and plenty of friends, but yes it's only fake shallow friendships for the sake of fandoms,you call tell too since the moment one of them goes through a tough time or has a falling out with a more popular mutual everyone seems to turn their back on them.
You are right thou, they costantly shit on other women, women who have more individuality to be precise.
They want women to be an amalgamation of the same thoughts, without individuality nor different personalities, hell they barely see women who don't agree with them as women, which is why the tif anti-fujo became so rampant.
No.6095
Omg what the hell happened to Twitter. It’s almost unusable. Like wtf. Why the app has so many issues. It’s Elon’s fault right? Cause I was on Twitter before he bought it and I didn’t have any issues when I used it then. I just wanted to see if I could find some art of my favorite ships, but this shits unusable.
No.6099
>>6095Same, it worked fine for me so far but since a few days ago tweets that are shown up on my timeline aren't visible when I click the accounts that posted them it drives me insane.
Especially Asians often comment retweets by making a follow-up post like "Regarding the RT:" but I click their account and neither the RT nor the comment are popping up.
Plus, likes vanish, and it's not the known hidden like shit from before, they literally vanish and I click it again and the moment it refreshes its gone. And the search is useless now if you like to search for more than one keyword.
No.6100
>>6063Aethy's just announced it's shutting down if they can't move hosts and I legitimately hate trying to find proship communities elsewhere because it's like actual children and other minors who are "so mature for their age" and are basically antis.
'You like this PURE heteronormative pairing??? ur stupid'
I legitimately just want to find a shota/noncon friendly group to talk fanfic with. This shit is unbearable.
No.6102
>>6095The only solution is to make our own version of the internet at this point.
No.6104
>>6099My 30 minutes of being on Xitter was so bad I literally deleted it. I could not stand running into the “can’t load anymore posts” glitch or whatever that kept happening after 5 seconds of searching stuff. And that’s not even mentioning how annoying it was to verify my account because apparently there was “suspicious activity” going on. Like just let me in.
>>6100>want to find a shota/noncon friendly group to talk fanfic withSame. The only places I know that allow it (except maybe here? I’m not sure what the policy on shota fanfic is) are 8chan and probably shotaworld, but I would not recommend 8chan ever and shotaworld is a gated community that I’m not privy to information about because I haven’t bothered trying to get verified.
>>6103I’m enjoying blogging on my dreamwidth, but it’s a little lonely.
No.6105
>>6102It's funny, since as fujos we already make our own version of canon all the time.
Maybe we should call ourselves reality-fixers.
No.6106
>>6104>a little lonelyExactly why I didn't use Aethy for the most part. There was genuinely no one in my fandom who was active and the few who were, were mostly focused on things I didn't care about.
I recently got into SMT and the thread here hasn't been posted in in 9 months. /cm/ is hardly in a better state and /y/ is /y/.
I really don't want to join some power tripping fujo's discord just to be able to talk with more than 2 people and get into babby's first fandom drama.
Semi-remated, I joined a Clerith (FF7 hetship) server and it was like actually trying to get into a kool-aid drinking cult. I ended up abandoning it because if I wanted to police myself to talk about ships I would literally use tiktok.
No.6107
>>6106I have the same issues because nothing I like ever has a big active fandom, especially not if I want to talk about my favorite ship. I usually give in and join some discords but they are always very small. I don't really made any experience with antis or whatever others always talk about but maybe it's related to the series I like. Half of the discord users or more are always Asian, most westerners seem to have shit taste and I never like what they like for some reason.
No.6108
>>6106>tiktokThe worst thing is that tiktok unironically seems like the best place to engage in fandom right now, especially the bigger fandoms. But god forbid you like any ship that's even the slightest taboo. Like some girl just got bullied into deleting her art because she dared to make pretty tame kidnapping/yandere au fanart. I've found some accounts that make taboo ship content, but none of them ship my favorite ship. I still like to support these accounts though because they make really nice art or edits.
No.6109
>>6108I just refuse to engage with an app thats just video clip brainrot. You can't even sift through the sludge easily because it's purely algo based. I used to lose hours just accidently clicking on youtube shorts sometimes before i blocked it. That was enough brainrot for me. I'll stick to text-based platforms.
No.6110
>>6108If TikTok is the best then fandom is in a sad state. I don't use that app but the engagement seems very one way compared to Twitter/Tumblr/Discord and seems pretty bad for discussion since it's all video/picture-based. Plus it's filled to the brim with braindead zoomers.
Wish fujos were more active on imageboards because I can't stand any other type of fan anymore.
No.6111
>>6108Isn't tiktok just videos? How do you engage with that? Do you make a video of fanart you made?
I already hate youtube but I absolutely cannot imagine tiktok being good for anything but cat videos.
No.6112
>>6110>Wish fujos were more active on imageboards because I can't stand any other type of fan anymore.This. It's the only good type of platform for discussions. It especially pains me that Asian fujos are afraid of using it since most of my fandom friends and people I engage with are from Japan or China.
Image boards have a bad reputation that isn't really justified. Because how good or bad it is solely depends on the thread and board. A pure fujo board like FC can be chill even with more users. The antis and trannies wouldn't come here anyway because they're used to safe spaces and need attention so they're not interested in being anonymous.
No.6113
>>6109I use it every so often when I want to see what's going on in the current big fandoms and see whether the userbase has stopped being retarded and then I delete it when I get bored. It's a cycle that I really need to stop.
>>6110It's depressing that it's tiktok, but there's a lot of people making fanedits, fanart, fanvideos, recommending fanfics (that won't get you crucified), and discussing current happenings in the fandom. The comment character limit is annoying for discussion, but there's a lot of people that make long discussion comments in response to someone doing an analysis or skit on some random thing in the fandom, whether it be a niche side character or the newest episode. Then there's the other side of the fence that's filled with chronically online people who only comment some random ass joke from god knows where.
>Wish fujos were more active on imageboardsAnywhere that restricts the userbase to 18+ would be great. I still wanna believe in forums making a comeback.
>>6111Tiktok started doing picture and slideshow posts where it's just a single image or multiple pics that you swipe through. But I don't think you can search for the image posts so you either get lucky it pops up on your algorithm or pray the search will work when trying to find fanart. And there's videos that are synced to sound that are like little comics in video format.
No.6114
>>6112>Because how good or bad it is solely depends on the thread and boardI agree, but I think even without its reputation imageboards would still be unpopular since people get high off numbers and validation (to my dismay since clout hungry people are obnoxious). FC is almost the best of both worlds for me since there's no 240 character limit and no pressure to self-censor, the only downside is its lack of userbase. What's one man's trash is another one's treasure though, as much as I like IBs for their anonymity most people will never make that jump because they like being personally seen.
Weirdly I've seen gendies mention browsing FC on Twitter before, I don't know if they're LARPing so they seem unique/edgy or actually lurking.
No.6115
>>6113>Anywhere that restricts the userbase to 18+ would be great. I still wanna believe in forums making a comeback.Personally I'm a lot more partial to image boards.
I can't talk about my fandoms anywhere but /v/ sometimes because some games don't draw in the Stellar Blade crowd and it heavily depends if there are other rando fujos in the thread.
Kingdom Hearts is the most difficult because between twitter, stalkin socials off fanfic author's notes/comments, and stumbling through JP twitter, good luck trying to find anyone who wants to talk about anything except Soriku. Between a cast that's under 18, the rampant self insertion as Sora and the fact that the best authors post anonymously I think connecting strings on a pin board is the only way I can find others to talk to.
No.6116
>>6114>Weirdly I've seen gendies mention browsing FC on Twitter beforeCaps?
No.6119
>>6118>same 3 black people reacting imagesHey anon it's not nice to pick on the mentally ill they're probably legally unwell.
No.6120
>>6119sorry im a bit dense;; I cant tell if youre referring to black people reacting images as in AAVE slang or black as in the twitter screenshot layout
No.6125
>>6124
I'm neither of them. And there's an extreme pushback against zoomers. Remember Urusei Yatsura's opening having dancing and nobody complained?
Or the 'sexy' dances in a lot of early 10's anime?
DanDaDan got called a 'zoomer' anime on /a/ for having the makings literally of those series and having the carlton in the opening. Trap beats? zoomer (It's a shounen anime it's literally for zoomers.) It's all stupid really. If you follow lingo online you're accused of being twitter, tik tok and whatnot when social media in general is so homogenized now there is no identity like Tumblr Sexyman or all the many ways you can say upvote. I guarantee no one can tell the difference and it's just shit flinging to be cool.
No.6126
>>6125Sorry, I don't watch anime, so I don't know.
> If you follow lingo online you're accused of being twitter, tik tok and whatnot when social media in general is so homogenized now there is no identity like Tumblr Sexyman or all the many ways you can say upvote. Agreed. Internet became so centralized and I scroll fc and lc often, there's seems to be an uptick of blind hatred to younger gen, even though they're already in their early twenties right now. I starting use Lolcow and Fujochan like a year ago and nobody didn't push go back to twitter card like months ago with same "tiktok lingo and gifs".
No.6127
>>6125Not the anon you reply to and I won't accuse you of being a tourist, but I genuinely don't understand what you are saying in this post and I have no idea what carlton is and what exactly people mean with tumblr sexyman. Maybe I am not online enough or too old.
No.6128
>>6127In short.
FC's quiet so I go to /a/ depending on the series. DanDaDan got an anime. The anime op features the classic Carlton dance from Fresh Prince (though I'm sure it came before that it's just mostly known as The Carlton. Cue anons shitting themselves over an opening that panders to people under 20.
No.6129
>>6125sorry i thought you were her, i usually never see 3d reactions on fujochan so i just assumed, my bad
No.6130
>>6128I'm sorry nona again, but /a means 4chins? I went out of curiosity there and it was all horrid coom from every board. I mean, what to expect from that place?
>>6129Don't worry, nona. Also I didn't find much posts about fc and had to mute 2 users with same username, maybe I don't know how to use twitter
No.6131
>>6130> I went out of curiosity there and it was all horrid coom from every boardThat's normal. But depending on the series it's not like that. Or the interest. /toy/ is excessively chill about their hobby and I watched a great Bratz thread one time.
/a/ is waifu posting unless the series is something that doesn't attract those kinds of people like Thunderbolt Fantasy. The best threads on /a/ are them.
No.6133
>>6127I don't understand what they're saying with their post either but suggesting you're to old to know what/who Carlton is kinda funny considering Fresh Prince aired about 30 years ago haha.
Understandable if you're not American though!
No.6134
>>6133I didn't realize I didn't make things clear.
Basically, anon made a post saying "ngl" with a 3D pic. And anon after called them out saying tiktok lingo. As tiktok is associated with kids and people mostly immature. That's when I responded to the other anon with the widespread disdain for the youth using /a/ specifically as an example since it is the mother/sister image board. Without counting 2ch
No.6136
>>6125>pushback against zoomersTbh I like some zoomers but they tend to be the loudest and most shallow part of any fandom, even when they are in their early 20s, they write really bad, reference memes all the time and their whole personalities are borrowed from their peers, so yeah, other fans get annoyed with them.
No.6137
>>6136>the loudest and most shallow part of any fandomPar for the course for younger people who inherently have less experience living, but it is genuinely kinda of embarrassing once you hit your twenties and have nothing thoughtful to say. What fun is there in art if you're not gonna use your brain?
No.6139
>>6138Well, what's so dramatic about what I said? I didn't say it was a big deal? Lots of little things are embarrassing.
No.6141
>>6137Yeah I am this anon btw
>>6136for example the mouthwash fandom is full of zoomers who kinda ruined the game for me because of how loud they were, i still love the game thou
No.6143
>>6128Okay thanks, I didn't know that "dance" so I had no idea what you were referring to and I dropped DDD quickly (and hated the OP tbh so I didn't even watch it). Because of this I have no opinion on it since I neither know the original nor do I care about DDD but I imagine the fanbase to be horror. I use /a/ too but never clicked a DDD thread.
>>6131>The best threads on /a/ are them.Agree. Sometimes I am legit sad when good series somehow include an underaged girl because it will always make the threads shittier. The best ones are for series with literally zero women or only one or two that are adult, because the retarded coomer fanbase isn't attracted to women past a certain age and loli fags in particular are the most obnoxious people on earth.
No.6144
I don't really give a shit if this comes off as woman hating or whatever but I don't want to consume hetero content (for various personal reasons) and I'm tired of non-fujo women invading fujo spaces. Fuck off. You have so many concent made exactly for you yet you have to come and screech about your vagina in fujo spaces. If your content doesn't satisfy you then make it up yourself like fujos do regularly instead of taking fujo shit and turning it into your hetero slop. Idc if they're still women, I don't want to see or listen to them when I'm trying to only consume fujo things for comfort in my free time. Even my fujo drawings get attention from non fujo people yelling "husband!!" on my beautiful gay anime boy shit. Just let fujos enjoy their fujo things without bringing up hetshit.
No.6145
>>6143>best ones are for series with literally zero womenPls drop recs
No.6146
>>6144You are absolutely right.
I wish they stopped trying to join us with the fake multishipping shit too.
It's so obvious they give zero shits about the gay ship and they just pretend to ship it for clout, all while their accounts are dedicated to posting het ship fanart 24/7 and arguing with randos over how much some mc loves the girl lmao
No.6147
>>6144One of the issues I have with mixed series and het or yuri is that the threads are likely to turn to shit since the majority is into that so you cannot discuss the fujo content in peace anymore. Even if the majority SHOULDN'T be into het/yuri the few fans of it will do their best at being as obnoxious as humanly possible.
And the even bigger reason is that authors are almost always very unfair when they do both. You don't have to be afraid of getting cucked or witnessing a tragedy in Bravern which is purely gay, but if a series has both chances are very high that the author will openly favor the het couples and do their best and telling you so by making your characters suffer and treat them differently.
That aside, for fujo spaces it's even more extreme. These people have everything, they're the majority. Create your own fucking discords and spaces already. They only invade fujo spaces because we are the only dedicated fans that actually make art, fics and discuss things on twitter.
In the mixed spaces I know it's always the real (non-tranny) fujos that discuss canon and make fanart. The hets, fake-fujos, trannies etc are always stuck to OC and *sona crap.
No.6148
>>6144I admit I am a bit annoyed when I see people reblogging my art and saying shit like "LESBIANS" when I am clearly drawing two soldiers or samurai with muscles, defined male faces and beard interacting lovingly.
I don't even have an issue with 4chans "[best guy] is a girl" jokes, but when I see it on other places I always know that they WANT to make them lesbians and that's not what I was drawing and they are not the people I am drawing for. There is enough canon and hinted yuri everywhere, why do they latch onto my men? Like I am not offended and don't want to prohibit others from thinking whatever they want. But I don't get WHY. Why can't they have fun with the plot, speculation, characters and lore? Why does everything have to be about gender or whatever the hell this stuff is?
No.6149
>>6148Ignoring troonshit for the moment but something i noticed is that male-to-female gender-bending is way, way more common than female-to-male. Like there isn't enough porn of women in the world somehow, they need to turn male characters into goonfuel too. Joseimuke communities are rampant with gender-bent boys (especially turning BL ships het), but the same is basically non-existent in girl cast games like Im@s. The most you get is one-off "omg what if [x] was a boy" but no one is there turning the female characters into BL porn. Those types of people invade our spaces specifically.
No.6150
>>6149Imo F->M is less common because most of the people genderbending male characters to female are straight women so they aren't into series with female majority casts like IM@S in the first place. Additionally, most of them are closeted hetfags so they see the uke interchangable with women, I rarely see the seme being genderswapped unless they're doing futashit but even then those people will post F!uke content more.
No.6152
>>6149Doubleposting but in some corners of the internet F->M is looked down upon for progressive/feminist reasons. Either because "you can't enjoy a female character unless they're male!!1!" or accusations of taking away the few good female characters that exist or whatever the fuck else. Genderbending a yaoi ship to yuri is quite common now but whenever I see someone do the opposite they get a bunch of people shitting on them.
Also, anyone seen the spike in people being elitist about yuri vs. yaoi? I see so many popular tweets that imply yuri is inherently better than yaoi, all yaoi is slop garbage, and only low-brow people like it while true intellectuals are into yuri. I know this mindset existed way back already but it's in full force now. A fujo made a harmless meme tweet about yaoi being their Thanksgiving turkey and it somehow unleashed the yurifag horde.
No.6154
>>6150>>6152That plus the large amount of men that are really into M->F genderbending. There's even tons of original stories about it. In comparison, F->M genderbending is even more niche. Kinda like traps vs reverse traps, lolicon vs shotacon, harems vs reverse harems, etc. Yaoi is the only one that beats out yuri, but yuri is still more mainstream.
No.6155
>>6149What I hate so much about M->F is that even the women always coomify and lolify the men.
Like one of the dudes I love is LITERALLY some older muscular man with wrinkles and a beard and I would at least accept it if he got turned into a 40+ year old woman that look like 40+ because these characters are non-existent from media. Women are usually underaged and in their 20s at best (and regardless of age they will never look older than 18).
But no they turn him into a skinny school girl. What's even the damn point then? They basically just take his color scheme, there is nothing else they still have in common.
No.6156
>>6150>straight women so they aren't into series with female majority casts like IM@S in the first place.This isn't really true, the female fanbase of these games is indeed smaller but it still has a lot more straight women than you'd expect, but you're right that the women who gravitate towards female idol games and the like are there specifically because they want content of girls…but that just confuse me even further about female fans who gravitate to media with all-male casts just to turn them into girls…? This never happens in reverse even though all-male media is far rarer than all-female media in the anime sphere. CBDCT is an endangered species but even when fans of that are starving, they don't turn to the gazillion CGDCT. But the opposite happens all the time even though there's less real estate to colonize to begin with.
No.6157
Because I'm already endeared to the characters and invested in them from having followed them as men, I can enjoy art of them as women far more than canonically female characters. When I see a series has male characters neurons activate, I'm interested, I enjoy. When I see a series has female characters, doesn't always do anything at all, often I feel some disconnect that stops me getting truly attached to anyone. In addition I can look at sexy girl art and not feel anything particularly about the character maybe just body features, but if it's a character I know and like then I can really feel something. Bunnygirl with curves? Eh, dime a dozen. Bunnygirl with curves but it's Tonbokiri? Hell yeah. It's another way to explore the character.
No.6159
>>6042I'm jealous because you'll see more yuri due to this than you'll ever see anything gay in a canon. You're right, it's not the same as reading a SoL BL. Getting any fujos victory in the type of canon not usually for us would be a different type of high.
No.6160
I got warned and messages removed in a discord server for using the word "brocon" to refer to a character who's obsessed with his brother. Nothing sexual or romantic just a total nutcase who tries to control who his brother talks to. I've had to sit with this for days while the rest of the server happily chats about Harada, Mouthwashing, and Slow Damage rape scenes. A character in a totally PG-13 anime is apparently waaaay more objectionable and corrupting the youths of this 18+ server than pornographic violence. Please think of the children or something, I don't know.
I think I got too comfortable in my usual fandoms where people ship brothers on the side and do what they like. It's no big deal, they're fictional, and it's usually a one off porn doujin so whatever, think with your clit. To get slapped for just summarizing the plot of a show without any implication I shipped it or that anything happened between the characters was a shock and I've got this feeling like I want to slap them back with how stupid that was, but I'd rather not get banned and miss out on free downloads off the people buying magazines and streams in here. I got plenty of mileage talking about ships with some like-minded people for hours, so I was overlooking the owner chasing me for the most minor shit about tagging and offtopic (fuck you, some 20-somethings talked over me about random fortnite shit when I was typing date scenarios and you didn't do anything), and then INCEST is what they decide to pin on me and refuse to let me talk back on. I'm fucking forbidden from talking about this harmless show which the owner two days later starts posting about watching. The fuck. Are they trying to bait me to kick me out or what? God.
No.6162
>>6160not to instigate anything but i feel like its a vendetta. Especially considering everyone else in the server talks about dark content like rape, harada mangas.etc incest is such an egregious trope to strike a warning against in comparison. If it was a squick why cant they just make a containment channel for discussion instead of silencing people who happen to have different tastes from the owner I just dont get it. Its why I could never really stay in BL servers for too long even if i end up finding some friends and decent conversation on occasion; Mods usually have a powertrip on what can and cannot be in the server and it starts getting finnicky when so many fujos have different tastes and landmines.
No.6163
>>6160Is this about Youkai gakkou? It'd be extra silly cause they literally use the term in the anime. I'm inclined to agree with
>>6162 and suspect someone has it out for you.
No.6164
>>6152>Also, anyone seen the spike in people being elitist about yuri vs. yaoiThat's funny because I tried to look into yuri several times and it's either just straight up coomer porn with giant tits, loli shit and the ones that aren't have bad plots and boring dynamics, either wholesome or comically "toxic". Yaoi has so much variety and with so many different types of ships, dynamics, crazy, cute or sol plots. Plus not sharing a fandom space with males makes it automatically better.
No.6165
>>6157Same, you put it so well.
No.6167
>>6164> and the ones that aren't have bad plots and boring dynamics, either wholesome or comically "toxic"You basically mentioned an almost binary dichotomy and say everything falls into it. Well, sure. It's like saying everything is either wet or dry.
No.6170
>>6155There is kind of a reverse where cute girls become handsome older looking ikemen when genderbent but I want them to stay cute boys. I definitely noticed it looking at Touhou and Vocaloid genderbends.
100% agree with you on the M->F genderbending too. I just want to see hot mature looking women (without them having generic milf bodytype with tits down to their waist)
No.6177
>>6157A charactersexual without limits. I respect it.
No.6178
>>6162>>6163Okay no joke, today the owner accused me of doing something because I was in the same channel, but you could just read the username attached to the the image and it was not fucking me and even interrupted what I was doing. They must really have me down as a troublemaker for some reason, but they're still using formal language about it so I'll pretend not to notice.
On the other side of things the other users seem to like me and enjoy my writing so haha you can't stop me dropping walls of text and getting positive engagement~
No.6179
>>6178>using formal language about it so I'll pretend not to notice.Mean girl RP moment.
They bring out the fake lawyer talk when they want to have the high ground by talking in circles and have 0 point.
No.6183
I like het ships waifubros like (example bakemonogatari) at least they are dynamic, het ships yumejoshis like are usually the most abhorrent self insert ships ever, like man does everything for nice girl, rinse, repeat.
No.6184
>>6167I meant that it's almost always those two things, no in between. And I forgot to write it but it's always some office or school setting. In my experience they are rarely nuanced or creative like yaoi can be. There are exception, and there are also bad yaoi, but maybe because fujos make so much content compared to yurifags (and the ones making most of the content are males into porn) they also manage to shit out a larger number of good stories.
No.6185
>>6184For example, there isn't a yuri MADK, there isn't a yuri-leaning sports anime that has the same feel as Free!! or YOI (most yuri-leaning spots anime involve awful porny shit with gigantic tits and the girls being stuttering moaning idiots), we don't have yuri DMMD. I know good yuri exists (and it's often made by fujo authors) but it's not a lot. Or maybe I don't know where to look?
No.6187
>>6185cgdct is not explicitly yuri, most of them, but still is part of the moe culture where no man exist and the focus is the relationships with a full female cast. maybe ppl won't consider it yuri, but they have their own stuff something we get more rarely in anime and is more present under the otome side of the joseimuke umbrella
No.6188
>>6184The best yuri I've found are Korean Manhwa that's aimed at actual women. Or people making non-porn yuri content because they actually like it instead of virtue signaling. Female fans and Asian fandoms for shows that aren't meant for explicit yuri are better. I just make up my own content too. Yuri gives you the opportunity to have an equal relationship between two women outside of het stuff, I wish it just had the inherent popularity yaoi does among women. But most are straight despite how much gay larping there is on the internet
No.6190
>>6189Disabled boy dating sim would be awesome, though I would have been happy if Kenji got his route like originally planned.
No.6191
I love fujochan and I'm glad it exists but I miss the fujo threads on /trash/ before the moids shitted everything up. I miss how fast they were. Sometimes I wish fujochan had more activity but quality > quantity works best here which is not worth compromising. They just serve different purposes
No.6192
>>6191They were okay. Because real conversation with fujos is so rare on imageboards I hated how ephemeral they were. I was also kind of butthurt because that kind of posting would have been fine on /cm/+/y/ back in like 2005~2015 but noooooo fujos gotta go /trash/ if they want to talk now.
No.6193
>>6192I started with it's time on /a/ and even those don't really feel right. /cm/ can have its good threads but they WILL be really slow. I think this is the single fasted thread on this board right now.
I think it's the lack of awareness AND how making a space specifically to deter troons and chuds requires it almost being a secret to make Quality discussion. I'm not personally big into r18 discussion even though I do love doujinshi and fanfiction, but I hate if at any given point I want to talk about a fetish fic I found, /y/ is my only anonymous choice and I feel like I'm typign in a pornhub comment box.
No.6194
>the horror when you see members of your active fan community slowly leaving your fandom and drawing for the most generic shit you can imagine (usually one of the same three biggest gacha or the most recent big mainstream shounen)
This is worse than seeing accounts just going silent. It wouldn't even bother me if they discovered a new random fandom, I might even be interested or happy for them. But no, it's never anything unexpected, it's always one of the damn same five things. I sometimes wonder if I am brain damaged or something for being unable to get into HonkaiSR/JJK/MHA/Naruto/DDD because it seems like I am the only person on earth who doesn't love at least one of these.
No.6195
>>6194What's DDD? You arent the only one nonna, not a fan of any of those but I can be mad at good art even if it's not of a series I like. JJK and Chainsaw Man in particular have boatloads of fantastic fan art but I felt tricked after checking them out because the fandom was clearly above the source material lol.
No.6196
>>6195Yeah I feel this. Though to be honest I always unfollow when someone is obviously not drawing for the same fandom anymore. There are too many daily posts on twitter, so following people who are into different things will just clutter my timeline. Maybe I am autistic but even when I see how good the art is I don't really care about it if it's about a series I don't know anything about or something can't see the chemistry of. There is so much great Goro art, but I still feel like I wouldn't care about this dude. At least not anymore. He looks like something I would have loved as a teen lol
No.6198
>>6193I genuinely want to know if most users of /cm/ are either too braindead to talk or if they can't speak English because there are so many that just come to spam the pics of their favorite and they never ever say anything even if you try to start a conversation.
Worse, they even do it in the /a/ threads for the same series. This makes me especially mad because my current favorite series is rarely getting threads and everytime it does one of these idiots come to spam their fanart without commenting on the new chapter and it makes fujos look stupid and helps reaching the bump limit faster. If they care so much about their character they surely could at least talk about him.
No.6199
>>6191Slow quality discussion is good but I also like faster threads when I am posting horny shit and don't want to to read my own posts the next day.
No.6204
It's always so sad to join a fandom years later and find that there's literally no content for the ship you latched onto.
No.6212
>>6185Re: sports, we did get Birdie Wing. The second cour didn't quite keep up to expectations but it had great absurd sport moments that reminded me of Beyblade in a way. I think they should aim for TeniPuri style girls sports shows, UmaMusume felt a lot like that ignoring the idol parts being canonized.
>>6188Some of the better het romance leads I've read were from Korean series too, they have a whole genre trope of young adult alcoholic idiots who fuck around and find out, and it's good fun to see when they bother making the rest of the cast respond to it. Maybe it feels cookiecutter to others but I like characters who meddle and have to worm their way out of messes.
>>6189/oc/ beckons you, nona. You can spam dump the concepts you want to see in the invent a BL thread and see what others can add.
I'm totally not just saying this because I posted enormous walls of text in the past year and still feel self conscious of being the only one that autistic. No.6263
I’m a bit down. Reread the story and enjoyed it, but feeling insecure to post my plot driven fic. I don’t know how to polish writing and different dialogues. It will stay under desk.
No.6321
The fake idolatry of yuri in fandoms, especially in fandoms with light hearted themes gets really boring.
I feel like a lot of them just like it as an aesthetic, yuricore.
No.6322
>>6194I experienced this a few years back when EVERYONE got into vtubers. It was so fucking horrifying watching people from my fandom convert into drawing vtuber fanart or becoming one themselves because I absolutely fucking hate vtubers and their industry. To me it was a worse personal disaster than them getting into some second rate shounenslop.
Another one is them abandoning weebshit altogether and moving onto comics to draw capeshit fanart. They might as well be dead at that point because their style will change drastically and the old one can never return.
No.6323
>>6160>discord serverYou know where you fucked up.
No.6326
>>6321It's always the type of people who are no good at describing dynamics or scenarios between characters too. When someone suggests a ship I want to play with it and see what they're picturing, and it always falls flat to strike up conversations like that for yuri ships.
No.6327
Somedays I just wanna admit my disinterest in yuri without the branding of lesbophobia. I have SSA acquaintances, I'm in support of lgb rights, but I don't want to read yurislop to prove my allyhood. I'm sick of progressive spaces at large treating them as gods or objects for their agendas when they're literally people. The fact there's lesbians and bi women in this site shows me that they're people with agency who can like whatever they want. Fuck the haters.
No.6328
>>6327I'm a lesbian and I give you the permission to not like yuri and still be accepting of LGB people. The overwhelming majority of the really militant yurifags who scream misogyny and lesbophobia at everyone are either born men, coombrained pickmes or actual underage political lesbians, the genuine lesbian yuri fans are too busy gushing over their favourite works and having sex with their girlfriends to give a shit.
No.6329
>>6327You're fine nonnie. Lesbian here, but bl is far more appealing me than Yuri. Tbh majority of it caters to moids anyway. I can't see anything attractive about moeslop, plus majority of the stories lack any depth or relatability to the lesbian experience.
Anyone who would bully you about not liking yuri are either juveniles or pathetic losers who have their heads shoved far up their own asses. The majority of them equate liking porn/media to actual advocacy.
No.6330
>>6327Same here. I view my hobby spaces as hobby spaces so I want them to stay on topic. This is my issue with discords. I can find decent discords because most of the fandoms I am in attract a chiller and older audience, but the one thing I can't escape is genderbending and private talks.
I don't understand why it's so common. There is a character in the fandom I am in whose fanart is, I kid you not, 90%+ genderbending (most of it from Japanese fujos, even) and it drives me insane despite being into two other dudes. Even THEY get it but it would legit make me ignore the fandom if I was into the aforementioned guy.
IRL I am pro gay and progressive, but there is a reason for why I join "yaoi ship" forums, twitter spaces and discords and it's the yaoi part of the yaoi space.
What makes it worse is that the fem versions have 0 in common with the originals. It's cowtits and more cowtits, ahegao and ughuu faces or sexualised "JK" or lolis.
Worst, it also attracts fucking coomers which makes it worse because the show is a sausage fest with HEAVY fujo pandering.
Do you really need to poison one of the rare fandoms we get by attracting fucking otaku? I am tired of seeing the cowtit art posted on 4chan for a series about men and male relationships, including heavily implied gay ones. There are tons of series pandering to them.
No.6331
>>6330>There is a character in the fandom I am in whose fanart is, I kid you not, 90%+ genderbending (most of it from Japanese fujos, even)One half of my otp is also like that too, a lot of Asian artists like to make him a woman just to have an excuse to draw vaginas and huge breasts. At least it's on social media and they tag everything in case anyone wants to mute specific tags. Except one but I muted her account and she's trying way too hard to make her fetish look like a regular headcanon.
No.6333
>>6330>character has a distinct theme in his outfit>instead of making his genderbend wear the female equivalent of this uniform they just take the male uniform and give it a ruffled pink skirtTHAT'S NOT HOW DESIGN WORKS
also the female equivalent would be hot and could be tight fitting, what the fuck is wrong with these artists No.6334
>>6331I never understood the coomer aspect of it. Why does m->w genderbending always equal pornifying and over-sexualisation? The same people draw the male pairings SFW with them barely touching each other, but the second one of them turns into a woman (s)he's a drooling blow-up doll with distorted proportions. It's not only annoying as a yaoi fan I also don't like the implications because it seems like sexuality was equaled to femininity. So if you want to draw NSFW you first have to turn a guy into a woman?
It sounds like the flipside of the medal that are men who write angry replies for fanart with sexualised single male characters because the sheer thought of a sexualized man somehow makes their brain implode. They don't just get angry about gay art but even het art if the dude is drawn sexily.
It's so seeing one artist that I respected until now also going down that rabbit hole because she is, actual quote, "addicted JKing these two". It's even two older dudes with beards and muscles and uniforms, so you can imagine that the similarity with a generic high school girl with skirt is zero.
No.6335
>>6333I fucking hate genderbends like this coming from someone who enjoys them.
Yuribends are my guilty pleasure, apologies. I get that artists just want to draw the character wearing cute and frilly clothing for the sake of it but it's just so boring when every genderbend is a big titty woman dressed like a Pinterest bimbo. Designs where the original personality and style of the character is retained have always been more interesting to me.
>>6330>There is a character in the fandom I am in whose fanart is, I kid you not, 90%+ genderbendingWhich character is this? The only series where I've seen more genderbend art than not is TWST for some reason. I'm not even into the game myself but all the art retweeted that comes onto my timeline is them as women, but that says more about who I follow I guess.
No.6336
>>6334>it seems like sexuality was equaled to femininity. So if you want to draw NSFW you first have to turn a guy into a woman?Pretty much. I think this is just a mental hangup that many people, both male and female, have. It's just like the fic writers who only write M/M if it's PIV. It's just Unga Bunga Straight Brain. I think for many women also the potential for impregnation/children is important for them to get off (which is one reason A/B/O is so popular now)
Even in BL the more masculine partner is rarely sexualized more than or equally to the more feminine guy.
No.6337
>>6330Honestly, I never liked genderbends where the guy is reduced to meager waifu. Not even about female rep, they just want a insert for them to enact their fantasies on.
I admit to genderbending sexualized women and yuri ships as male because I just want more cute guys… but at least retain what makes them iconic while also ensuring a new fresh take to the character(s).
No.6341
>>6336>I think this is just a mental hangup that many people, both male and female, have. It's just like the fic writers who only write M/M if it's PIV. It's just Unga Bunga Straight Brain. I think for many women also the potential for impregnation/children is important for them to get off (which is one reason A/B/O is so popular now)I've been thinking this for years now but it's hard to bring it up outside of an anonymous imageboard cause these days people will do the inevitable 'muh PIV sex is queer sex too cause pronouns!! Men can get pregnant too.'
No.6342
>>6334>Why does m->w genderbending always equal pornifying and over-sexualisation?In a conversation about this exact topic apparently it's because "women are naturally more sexier and I just like seeing boobies heehee". People have such severe brain poisoning from being exposed to women being sexualized everywhere that they can't imagine them not being overtly objectified for the male gaze. I get giving them longer eyelashes or longer hair or even a dress just as a fun design experiment to differentiate from the original one but removing half of their clothes to make them look like a stripper or giving them major cleavage is so goddamn unnecessary. For some reason Japanese fujos do this all the time.
No.6343
>>6341>muh PIV sex is queer sex too cause pronouns!! Men can get pregnant too.'So if a non-binary person with a dick fucks a transmasc pre-op in the pussy it's actually queer? Are we seriously calling piv gay? next you'll tell me gay men during anal is straight actually.
No.6345
>>6344I think there was an anon that made an /x/ themed server here, you can join them and have more friends there perhaps? what do you mostly look for in a fujo friend?
No.6346
>>6342>For some reason Japanese fujos do this all the time.The woman is usually way more sexualized even in otome stuff. I don't know if the target audience of straight women usually find that hot or if apparently no one can conceive of not having a woman's tits be the focus.
When I see tiddy genderbends in a fujo log I usually wonder if the artist is bi or a lesbian but it's hard to say because many straight women seem to like malegaze hentai, I think it's a self-insertion thing. As a probably-straight woman I like women being lewded too, but only in yuri. If it's het I want full focus on the guy from her perspective. Essentially the same as being willing to see your fave get fucked by a tentacle monster, but you don't care how sexy the tentacles are.
No.6347
>>6344You should try the friend finder thread here, maybe? I don't play enstars anymore but shumika is based.
No.6348
>>6346A yume dominated fandom I was once in taught me that the majority of them want to imagine themselves as generic supermodels and barbie dolls.
I never understood it because I expected them to be the first people to get pissed about the same tropey depictions of women but nah. Same with the narrative. They love forced marriages and slave feMCs and all that.
I usually play male characters in games but for the rare cases where I play a female character I never made her look like that. I always want them to be odd-looking spergs (like Midori from Eizouken or that frog girl from MHA) or cool big beefy women, depending on the art style and editor of the game.
Maybe I am just too straight to enjoy feminine designs I don't know.
No.6349
>>6348>A yume dominated fandom I was once in taught me that the majority of them want to imagine themselves as generic supermodels and barbie dolls. Ohh you have no idea, even the yume that wants to portray herself as the next-door girl will basically always make that girl some kind of angelic beauty that all men want to be with
No.6367
>>6366I casually enjoy yuri but holy shit it's the most poisoned fandom I have ever seen. As you said it's filled to the brim with coomers who are too afraid of male 2D rivalry, a ton of trannies and nuhimes like that.
I also love the constant narrative about female only series and games not being a thing. I strangely have a hard fucking time finding more than five sausage fest anime per year and none of them are even real ones, they are at best male-centered but with female characters (that some of the dudes will most likely be in love with). There are so many girl only games since otaku took over I don't know why she claims to have trouble finding those.
That aside, you shouldn't hate on other fans for enjoying other characters. Jesus. I always share my fandoms with fans of characters I don't like and some het shippers. Just be nice to each other.
No.6368
>>6366Are you sure these are not trannies?
No.6369
>>6368Other nonna here, I am not online enough to decipher what this person is. She(?) has "she/they" pronouns in the bio and a strange flag I have never seen. Does anybody know what that means?
Her reply to the AFAB post also confuses me, it seems like she is anti-transmen? But then I get why she would use "they" for herself since it's similar. Maybe it's a male coomer aka TIM? If that's the case would explain some things. I have never seen anybody hating on men (and therefor fujos who enjoy 2D men as well as TIFs that identify as men) as much as male trannies. But the flag doesn't seem tranny.
Anyway useless to speculate I don't know shit about that stuff.
No.6370
>>6369Why is this thing mixing the lesbian flag with the Albanian flag? I've never met a woke Albanian who would know all those terms like 'afab', or use pronouns in their bios.
No.6371
>>6368>>6369The OP is a male tranny. He has TMA in his bio which means "transmisogyny affected".
No.6372
>>6371lmao okay thank you. Never heard of that before.
Well that further convinces me that the most fanatic haters and bitches are tranny males. These people fail to pass as women so they project all of their self-hatred onto men, fictional men, TIFs/transmen and even women that like men in whatever kind of way.
His gf also has "lesbian" in the bio. How dumb must you feel to do that? I know that this hate can theoretically come from all kinds of trannies but the ones that pass seem to be chiller so I bet he's just a dude with colored hair and female dress. Must be fun to tell your friends IRL that you are lesbian after showing them your fat manchild bf.
That aside, I am also absolutely not pro tranny, but the way such people throw TIFs under the bus rubs me the wrong way. At least show some solidarity to your kind if you others to respect you in return, bitch.
>>6370Thanks I have never seen the lesbian flag in my life. I only recognized the Albanian emblem.
No.6380
I know it’s already been said so many times before, but I hate feeling like there’s no decent, sizable English speaking fujo fan spaces these days. Fangirling over BL used to be fun, but now I constantly have to watch what I say online or risk getting attacked by randos and labeled “problematic”, “transphobic”, etc. And it’s not just the zoomer antis either, the “proship” people are annoying as well. The majority of them are just weirdly overly defensive over their ships and will interpret any criticism or expression of discomfort with certain content as you being an anti. It’s like you have to like EVERYTHING problematic without exception, no questions asked. Like I’m sorry for not liking hardcore loli and big titty waifus drawn by some Japanese male who’s probably an actual sexpest in real life. And these so-called proshipper fujos will constantly defend these lolicons, who seem to hate fujos anyway?? I’ve seen numerous posts on Twitter from people I follow about some loli vocaloid song that came out recently and people getting mad over people not liking it, and I’m just like who cares?? Let people not like things jfc. I really don’t understand why they keep doing this when male lolicons would never defend fujos if their lives depended on it. Of course so many of these so-called fujo proshippers also just seem to love hetshit in general (including cuntboy and genderbend shit), often more than they seem to love BL. And of course they don’t tag their shit properly and get pissy if you ask them to.
So now it feels like I basically have to choose to either share a fandom space zoomer antis who will lose their shit over ships with a two-year age gap and screech about “fetishization”, or the proshippers who post gross male-pandering coomerslop. Where’s the middle ground here? How did English speaking fandom become so weirdly polarized to the point that normal fujos who just want to see hot anime boys make out seem like an endangered species?
I don’t know, I feel like I’ve kinda just reiterated what others have complained about on here before and I’m not great at putting my thoughts into words. But I just wanted to get this off my chest anyway
No.6384
>>6380I have the same complaints. I wish /cm/ had more active discussion instead of just being used to repost fanart. Most of the anons on there I've talked to were chill but conversation is pretty sparse.
No.6385
>>6384Basically this. I wish they would talk on there. They can post their art but say something too, why doesn't it happen? I don't get it.
>>6380There seems to be no solution and I hate it. I know a handful of western fujos who are cool but we are all in other fandoms and into other series so the thing I do is to literally share discords with Asian fans but you don't always get that and even when the groups are small. The guys I like are usually unpopular in the west anyway.
The only time I have ever met a big and pretty chill fandom in the west was with Golden Kamuy. There is basically no genderbending, no anti shit, no moralizing or anything that I noticed. I wonder why that is. Maybe certain types of men are filtering the retards I have no idea.
No.6390
So why is it even viable from a purely strategical viewpoint to make the dumbest het canon to pander to otaku when shipping obsession is a purely female thing?
Men usually don't care about ships at all and the few that do are otaku that just fire on a specific girl the way you do with a horse in a race. They don't care about shipping either, just someone "winning" their favorite girl and even the cheering only extends to the MC, because that's the only one they identify with.
There is absolutely no logical reason to focus so hard on shitty het ships when the target audience doesn't give a shit while you simultaneously ignore the big group that only gets into something thanks to shipping in the first place. The smartest thing would be to just give the damn MC a girl to pacify the coomers and hint or confirm some gay ships on the side because that's what makes or breaks the deal for the fujo audience.
It's probably not even anything strategical and you just have to blame the writers for being unable to not insert their fantasies into every story they create and whose romantic imagination starts and ends with "girl B wanting babies from boy C, girl A from boy B" and so on.
No.6391
>>6390Probably something editor-mandated. And it didn't seem like just a few guys who were mad when they thought IzuOcha was torpedoed, there was tons of butthurt. Enough guys care about the MC 'getting' the main heroine that it's enough of a reason to go for shitty obligatory het end.
Many writers are probably genuinely interested in the romance happening even if they're shit at writing it, your average male mangaka still likes waifus.
Other than that, there are situations where the writer clearly needed next gen descendents so everyone got hastily paired up, like Boruto and KnY (although I don't get why there couldn't have been more reincarnations). Tanjirou was never not going to reproduce though, the Abe themes were too strong unfortunately.
No.6394
>>6391Yeah this is why I say that the MC can get his/her het ending. Tbh neither I nor the fujos I personally know or knew ever cared about MCs, since they're usually the most generic characters in their respective series. I get this has to be done because the majority of the male audience autistically projects onto the MC. The part that annoys me is that you usually have every other male character getting torpedoed too. Be it by forcing them into one-note relationships, making them die or having the fan ship denied by some other reason that confirms that they were never together or not anymore.
MC getting the het, the fujos getting the side pairings (even if it's not always 100% canon confirmed, not dying or getting debunked or separated is good enough) would be a smart IMO
Edit because of typos and stupid grammar
No.6396
>>6391>431 strongly implies izuocha>xmas (romantic holiday in japan) illustration is completely unrelatedIf he cared about the ship at all an Izuocha Christmas pic have been a slam dunk followup. I'm with the editor-mandated conspiracy theorists on this one.
>>6390It's extra annoying because to me unless you have explicitly written the romance development into the story, you should just end with no canon pairings. I've hated "girl gets with guy at the end because… well she just does okay!!!" before I even knew what shipping was.
No.6398
>>6396>It's extra annoying because to me unless you have explicitly written the romance development into the story, you should just end with no canon pairingsGod this is what pisses me so off, yeah. At least write the actual romance and develop it if you want to shill it to me. I am fine with then, hell I would probably not even think of shipping them with someone else.
But this sudden stupid ship denial that is always followed up by a canon ship with zero development drives me insane. I recently read another series where two of the mains are close comrades from the start, one even pledging eternal loyalty to the other, the other one blushing multiple times. But alas, halfway in it introduced two girls out of nowhere, one is even an enemy. But they end up together because.. because. Two get paired up to pity save the girl, the other just took the other girl because she exists and afterwards they barely even talked to their girlfriends anymore but once in a blue bloon the mangaka remembers and makes the dudes confirm yet again that they love their gfs, but they never actually show it.
I swear there is more to m/m than just double fanservice (even though that's an important part of it as well). A huge reason for why I am fujo is that het pairings are simply written badly in 98% of the cases and that I crave equal power dynamics and mutual love and het shit almost never feels mutual to me. Usually it's just the girl being loveydovey for the guy and the guy is too either cool to reciprocate or acts gentlemanlike and then it always feels strategical.
No.6399
It annoys me how western fandom humor consists of just slapping the caption "pussy" or "boypussy" or "boobs" or any other kind of female trait on male characters. It's near impossible to find discussion that centers on the character's actual personality traits. Not to mention how performative it all feels. It's just a bunch of zoomers trying to flaunt how queer and progressive they are. The Asian side of the fandom will usually talk about stuff that happens in canon and make references to certain scenes, while the western side will post the same unfunny meme of "boypussy" or "I want to get him pregnant."
Another thing I've noticed is how so many of these fujos will just slap the lesbian label on male characters and talk about how obsessed they are with yuri, despite never actually engaging in yuri content or talking about female characters. At best they'll genderbend their BL ships and call it a day. Again it feels performative as fuck. Liking male characters as they are and calling them gay isn't progressive enough anymore; they need to feminize him or genderbend him so it's more queer and subversive. It's like these fujos have some subconscious guilt about liking male characters, so they try to overcompensate by attaching female traits to him instead.
No.6400
>>6399This goes beyond just western fujo fandom and describes the western side entirely. Performative ironic memes made by people who don't actually like what they're talking about but they want to be included.
No.6401
>>6399I do think for the first point it's just an unfunny joke not really an indicator of "queerness" I see gay men slap that caption on their very male bara art. I personally don't find it funny but I think it's supposed to be. You could also mitigate this problem by using pixiv which is mainly JP and as such doesn't have English commentaries nearly as often.
No.6403
>>6401No way. pixiv has been completely destroyed by awful western art. If it's not deviantart tier it's CG renders of ugly ugly porn.
I used to bookmark fandom art by the hundred. Now most artists left for twitter or only use pixiv as an untagged dump. Western users have completely ruined the site. Their algorithm also keeps recommending me these artists based on tags and I'd sooner tag stumble across the internet in Korean than try to skip past all the terrible filthy feet, vore, furry alts ect. Your only hope is joining a fandom westerners will never like.
No.6405
>>6399I am in Asian and western discords for fandoms and this is so true. It irritates me because the very reason for why I join a fan space in the first place is to talk about my favs and ships. I am surprised that you even quote the exact same interjections I see, as if it was a huge hivemind.
Just now I had a JP fan retweeting and commenting on a (fun) magma sketch session I and a few non-JP (mostly Chinese) had and she said she was happy that there are overseas fans that "understand" the pairing. Implying she isn't used to see it.
It's depressing because almost everytime I casually see some fanart of western stuff I am not into it's that exact performative shit too. Characters being redrawn as fat, race-swapped and/or tranny or dickless. And it's way worse in the discords. I feel like everybody is just shouting captions instead of talking. I post a fanart of my (very visibly masculine) dudes and someone screams "LESBIANS!", "he's on his period" or "boypussy".
I am not even sensitive with this, I am chill. What annoys me is that it's all responses you get. I want to discuss the plot or analyze their canon problems and relationships but nah. We have to throw one-liners about gender memes or coomer fantasies.
No.6406
>>6403Gotta spam the "not interested", "mute", "don't show me these posts" and "block" button on twitter shitty english posts tbh.
After a while it does work.
No.6407
>>6406If you use a PC just install control panel for twitter it gets rid of all forced algorithms. I only see what the people I follow post or retweet and none of them retweet that stuff. The "for you" timeline is only showing shit based on your likes so I don't see tranny art there either, it's only showing me fanart and maybe meat and cat pics because I casually like them too.
It helps that the fandoms I am in have no tranny fans though or at least none that I am aware of. I mostly like anime and manga that aren't popular in the west.
>>6404>My theory is that ironic memes come from insecurity (can't actually openly like something without being self-deprecating), laziness (bandwagoning on a fandom), and attention (need updoots and retweets).100% this. I can't stand the insecurity part tbh. Like I get it, but they're getting nowhere with that attitude and it even makes 4chan shittier because everybody feels inclined to make a negative OP for a thread because they're afraid of saying that they love the series they want to talk about. But such OPs only attract shitposters.
No.6409
>>6405Recently my fandom has gotten a small influx of gendies and all they talk about is boypussy or the characters being trans/lesbians. They are incapable of actually talking about the characters or plot. I think some of it has to do with attention-seeking and fitting in like other posters have pointed out. It's easier to just post the same unfunny, ironic, low-effort gendie meme that is guaranteed to get lots of likes and retweets (because everyone is trying to fit in by finding it funny) than it is to write a thoughtful post or analysis.
It's the same with the yuri thing. They don't actually like yuri content; they just pretend they do because they see that everyone else is trying to act progressive by liking yuri. It's almost like they're using yuri as a shield to prove they're not like the 2000 era "misogynistic" fujos who only cared about yaoi and male characters; they're progressive and care about yuri and female representation too. Except the only yuri or female rep they ever engage in is genderbent art of their BL ships.
No.6410
>>6409>It's almost like they're using yuri as a shield to prove they're not like the 2000 era "misogynistic" fujosSort of related but I've seen an uptick in people acting like lesbian fujos make up the majority of BL fans for similar reasons as well. Not that they don't exist, but it's obvious people feel the need to justify and attach their preference of yaoi to some progressive/queer framework in order not to get shit on (but indirectly throw everyone else under the bus). It's like how furries bring up how they're all queer and neurodivergent when they get mad fun of. I'm not straight either but really what message does it send when you can only defend yaoi and fujos by pretending we're all gay?
The performative yuriposting is annoying too because it's obvious they're just posturing. When they have an actual F/F (not genderbent) ship they like, they have 2 sentences to say about it at most. Even worse if they're genderbending a hetship into yuri and acting like they'e queen himejos for it. I hate how some fujos feel like they have to overcompensate and pretend to enjoy everything, there's nothing wrong with only liking BL. Wokies who get mad at everything are still going to hate you anyway.
No.6412
>>6366>cock-obsessed womenSaid the self hating man that can't help but project into anime women cause he will never be one.
They are always so angry at fujos because they like men in a way that's not sexualizing themselves too, they despise women who remove themselves from the equation because it takes away their power to control or influence them.
No.6415
>>6414How do I right-click on Xfolio? Cannot save artwork there :(
No.6416
>>6415You have to inspect elements on your browser and find the right webp.
No.6417
>>6416Good, why does the internet keep getting shitter and shitter.
No.6419
>>6415On chrome, I use ctrl+s and it saves the entire page. Then I move the image out of the created folder and delete the rest.
No.6422
>>6414>>6416>go there>inspect elements>search for webs>save webs>transform them into pngsGod why. Thank god there is only one artist in the fandom that moved but she posted an entire doujinshi it will take some time till I finish this.
I am also lowkey angry about the anti AI watermarks. Yeah I get it, but I refuse to use it for my art. Some are at least placing it into the corner but the ones that slap it onto the faces of the characters make the whole fanart bad which is a shame because most of it looks super good otherwise.
No.6426
>>6409>>6410It's hell for us lesbian fujos. I've only dated and had sex with women and love BL because it's a very female-specific hobby and scene and I initially got into it through a fujo girlfriend yet I constantly get told that I'm a bihet in denial and obsessed with cock despite finding irl men repulsive, and yurifags constantly get smug and brag about how they only love female characters while obsessing over the most embarrassing moidgazey shit ever imagined. I can fully understand people like me overcompensating by the performative yuriposturing because it's easier to throw in a few bones for the skeptics than go through the entire TED talk as to why they as lesbians are fujos for the millionth time. Not that I agree with the practice, but it's understandable why they wear that beard to keep these psychos off their back. If I was mainly into het content nobody would give a shit despite that being often filtered by a very male-pleasing lens since in shit like otome the point of the heroine is to be the female power fantasy to be as appealing as possible to these men who want to date (you), which is why I often associate the "he's pregnant on his period with his boypussy" crowd more with self inserting het content than "yuri".
No.6441
Personally I hate that westeners never like the shit I am into. At least not at the same time as I. Sometimes it can happen ages later when I still like but am already obsessed with something else and lack the time to focus on the old shit but I tend to enjoy my fandoms on my own or with Asians that reweet my stuff and I retweet their stuff and read their posts thanks to google translator, but there isn't really any discussion I can participate in.
I know others complain about western fans but hell, I would love to have more to discuss things with. I don't know why the series I love always happen to be big in Asia but never the west. Or maybe westerners hang out on different platforms now, I have no idea. I refuse to use shit like instagram and the likes.
No.6442
>>6441What are you into nonna? Asking out of curiosity and for a potential rec list
No.6447
>>6414Does xfolio have a tag system like pixiv ?
No.6448
>>6366>polilez teenagers with k-pop/honkai avatars with an odd weird NLOGExactly lol These people are so fake too by trying to fit in so much, all they like is based on what the majority of people like, they have no original thought of their own
No.6451
>>6448Considering that this turned out to be a male tranny I genuinely wonder how many aggressively catty idiots and trend chasers out there are trannies trying to fit in.
He probably likes everything he deems to be popular among lesbians out of insecurity since he pretends to be a lesbian.
No.6455
>>6447I don't use Xfolio myself cause I've just been following artists on twitter and bluesky but at a glance it seems to work just like pixiv.
No.6456
>>6417>>6415>>6416Right click saving works just fine for me? Alternatively you can just use the mouse to drag the image to a new tab and save from there.
No.6459
>>6410>tfw KH fandomI could ignore the trooned out Sora/Riku well enough since there is literally over a decade of Soriku to ignore them for. But I would genuinely rather not see the game come out at all anymore than see the fandom devolve into breast binders, ugly PIV posting and taking the one series where every man's a barrel chested MAN and making them 'lesbians'
KH art on tumblr actually used to be good, at one point. I'm only there for fanfic writers I follow that refused twitter
No.6463
>>6459Poor kingdom hearts, the fandom already took a bad turn around 2015, but now it's completely trash.
I remember around 2009 when it used to be fun, people used to make funny videos about the organization, which were based on more than sexuality/gender.
No.6464
>>6441Or perhaps you should stop watching idolshit.
>>6451I hope somebody starts a 'you are not a real lesbian if you hate Harry Potter and/or Rowling' troll campaign.
No.6474
>>6459What is with the KH fandom and their obsession with lesbians?
No.6483
>>6464>Or perhaps you should stop watching idolshit. I genuinely never like idolshit. And considering how popular stuff like Idolshi7 is however you write it I doubt that it's even niche in the west. I mostly like seinen and masculine dudes but the west seems to be mostly into school stuff and shounen kids.
No.6495
The next person who thinks it's funny to reply to an object head character with "LOLOLOL SKIBIDI TOILET" loses their fucking toes.
No.6496
>>6495I still don't know what this whole skibidi thing is (this is like the seventh time that I hear it being mentioned) and I refuse to google it to stay pure since it seems to be some tiktok thing and everything that comes from tiktok is annoying as hell.
In that sense I am sure that your anger is justified.
No.6498
>>6496It's a series of gmod youtube poops set to Scatman's World, a song that used to be a meme in around 2005ish, but people actually listened to the full song because it was catchy, rather than poorly imitating a single line from the chorus.
No.6500
>>6451I’m sure some of them are men, but many of these people are just Kpop fangirls with husbandos who lack media literacy. I’m in a fandom with a pretty abusive hetero couple, yet all the fangirls turn a blind eye on it while calling another hetero ship where the girl is affectionate 'sexual harassment' lmao.
(there is another work from the same mangaka where main girl is just as affectionate if not more towards a guy who clearly says he does not want it, especially at the beginning, yet they are all fine with that lol)
It's also reaaally wild to see people who actually fetishize real men, have any sort of say in what people ship anyway
No.6510
>>6500>the person unironically using "asking for it" is a manof course lol
No.6516
>>6405>I feel like everybody is just shouting captions instead of talkingTRUE SO REAL VALID, when does it end? The period talk bothers me the most, they even try suggesting sexual fantasies using periods but can't explain what about bleeding is sexy. I have really bad periods so I can only associate it with being sick.
I'm not even a lesbian and I keep being caught out by others not being able to sexualize women when I talk about them. They enjoy having someone talk in some detail but it gets awkward when nobody else can contribute, like the stock phrases make it sound like you've broken them and they don't know how to respond to a little tit fondling.
>>6415Does shift+right click work?
No.6518
>>6441I've felt this for the longest, and I've had some small successes since covid, and some that I regret discovering western fandom for. I've taken to ranting about things I get into to the fandom people who I like, and a few times I get them to join me on it, but I hop around so much random shit I can't be doing this all of the time. Novels especially are difficult to get others to start, and I'm a slow reader so they could even read ahead of me within days if I could get them to read. I'm vaguely aware of English speaking fans for those, but I don't think I have anything in common with them so don't cross paths (eg. Korean novels you're lucky to find someone whose social media isn't Kpop central, even though the novel you want to discuss is basically fantasy isekai). I'm also wary that the fans you see in the open tend to be much younger than me, so we don't even have generational culture in common.
Then there's turning up when everyone else apparently MTL'd the end of the book two years ago and is just posting spoilers in the comments of the official translation, because nobody on your side of the internet ever mentioned the series and you stumbled on it yourself. The Asian fans have already moved onto the next novel by the same author or something with a similar protagonist that's already 113 chapters in and you can only hope to read it in five years time. I just want to scream and yell and point at things happening but I also don't want to just spam spoilers at people who could be having the same experience I've had while reading, and you can't just throw paragraphs without context at people, it's not like a video clip that can be amusing in itself. You can only vouch so much for how interesting or fun text on a page is. "This scene is really funny because once you know the characters it's, you know, funny."
I fucking love character analysis and talking shit at characters and I do write essays, but I want to know if I'm seeing things right or imagining things in a void. I want engagement that collaborates on points and it's rare these days.
>>6464>Or perhaps you should stop watching idolshit. Where the fuck did that come from? Now the other nona mentions it, whenever I try opening "other series" channels in fandom discords they're always non-stop enstars and some other idol gacha games I don't recognize. I swear they have a new one each week and every time there's some guy with thick eyeliner and blue hair wearing a hoodie.
No.6521
Being what feels like the only Westerner seriously studying Japanese for BL. Even if I happened to find another fujo irl to talk to chances are she wouldn't be learning Japanese (or if she is learning shes using some useless app like duolingo) and because localization is so retarded we would probably have completely different experiences despite possibly watching or reading the same media
No.6528
>>6500Yeah the two most aggressive antis I knew that always attacked homo pairings for toxic and enabling harassment were massive Twilight/Shades of Gray fans and loved other shit with forced marriage, female slave and other disgusting shit.
The level of projection is fascination. I honestly headcanon 100% of these people to be homophobic degens with evangelical upbringing and whenever I learn something about the household they're coming from I got proven right so far.
No.6530
>>6521I know fujos irl and none of us speak JP and even then we never happen to get into the same fandoms. It's cursed but maybe my taste is to blame for this. They always get into the exact series you expect them to discover, either hype stuff hot among fujos like Tokyo Revenger, Kimetsu, BHA or gay schoolboy fluff like that "[name] to [other name]" BL anime from 1-2 years ago.
I always tried to shill all kinds of fujo adjacent series or great seinen/shounen with gay or gay hinted side character pairings but can post them touching each other naked in canon and they still stick to aggressively hetero shounen series and pretend they are gay or the same SoL stuff I never watch so I gave up.
If you learn Japanese then you should ignore the west as a whole. There are way more Japanese fujos who are into the good shit and most artists are JP fujos too so it's more interesting talking to them and discuss each other's art than people who never create anything.
No.6538
>>6441I value quality fanfic more than quality fanart so I always get a little butthurt when I see an active art tag but fuck all on Ao3.
No.6544
>>6538It's weird when there is so much more art than fics. You would assume that there are more people who write than draw. But at least for Asian fans it's the other way around. I already saved like 3k fanarts of my new favorite ship but there are 0 (zero) English fanfics and only two hands full of Asian fics for them.
I want both. Art is great but sometimes I just want well-written porn scenes or fics that fill the holes the canon didn't bother exploring.
No.6546
>>6530As someone who likes aggressively hetero series, it's because the canon literally doesn't matter.
I have a notepad and a pencil, I can write, draw, or make up anything I want to ship them. Canon is not a universal truth. The source material is one thing, but fandom content is way more enjoyable and worth the investment. This is a world view I think that's fundamentally unchangeable for some people who absolutely need to consume media that has a gay kiss on screen vs people who would rather make them kiss on their own terms. I don't say this aggressively, it's just from watching this thread and fandoms over years.
FFXIV is a good example as it's got a huge fujo audience in all languages but no canon partner for the WoL except arguably Emet-Selch in which the lead developers outright say he loves EITHER the main character or his best friend. They didn't say which, or both, they let players decide. It's an mmorpg after all so it's as committal as they can get.
The power to just make shit up is a lot more fun for people than needing to watch or read something where the gay is the main focus. I'm not upset, offended, or gonna rage about the canon malexfemale pair because I know I can go online and see malexhis best friend at any point and it will be better written than the source material.
No.6548
>>6546Yeah I cannot think like this. If the canon doesn't matter I would just write OC from the start. I get into canon for canon reasons and none of the characters I like are confirmed het so I don't have that issue in the first place. I don't think I would/could get into a gayship for someone if he was married or talking about his gf half of the time he's on screen.
To me this is like saying that I liked a specific dish after taking most ingredients out and replacing them with others. I understand headcaoning if it's there for filling missing parts, like creating more context for characters that seemed to be interesting and having a good potential gay dynamic but only appeared on five pages. The rest is like those people that claim to be fan of something but only read wikia summaries and make fanart and fics that are radically OOC (and that I will ignore for that reason).
No.6552
>>6548I agree with you, fanfic and oc content just aren't fun for me when there's absolutely nothing to back it up but "I like the character design ig", especially since a lot of the time the "fans" don't read or even seem to like the original content at all.
It's reading through the story and actually pointing quotes, discussing how characters act, the way the story progresses, that's the best part about shipping. Even the way men do it with betting pools is more fun, you feel involved with the story and excited about how it might go.
Unfortunately this sort of thinking seems unpopular in the west with memes and fanfics being center stage, the best you can hope for is learning to read Asian languages.
That being said, I don't think it's necessarily useless if there's a female love interest but that's probably because I'm getting old and I still remember shit like Code Geass and Gundam Wing.
No.6553
>>6552This, yes. And one issue I have is that the majority of fan ideas or let's say, original fan narratives, are too SoL and fluff. At least for the fandoms I am in. Same with crack pairings where all dynamic is OC.
IMO the best is to get into a good, male-centered, fantasy, history/war or sci-fi story and get good interactions, gay hints and some exciting story and development and the fans enrich the romantic part that the series only hints or tangentially thematizes. Of course they can also be aggressively gay like Bravern, Transformers or Golden Kamuy. Maybe even better. But a canon core plot and the possibility of relationships to develop or be confirmed to be romantic or hinted harder needs to be there for me personally.
I feel like many ignore that there are things between openly heterosexual shows and boring slice of life with canon BL.
>It's reading through the story and actually pointing quotes, discussing how characters act, the way the story progresses, that's the best part about shipping.This exactly. The excitement whenever you see another hint or confirmation or another great scene combined with the speculation about the story and mysteries of the series are what makes it fun. If it was purely fandom based there would be nothing story related to analyse or look forward to. It also helps that you have a whole community who is on more or less the same page as you since they read the same story as you. With fanon everybody has a different interpretation.
No.6556
>>6546>It's an mmorpg after all so it's as committal as they can get.It always amused me how the husbandos have been staying either pure or blatantly obsessed with (you) but the most marketed waifu has been fixated on reconnecting with a male NPC.
No.6561
>>6548>foodIt's more like a jenga tower. canon has its foundation but I see it as being able to slide blocks in, out and around. I want Izuku to get nervous around girls. I also want him to be a bisexual that isn't afraid of being around men.
I've watched MHA since it first aired and while I was thoroughly invested in the canon for a short while, I found a lot of fun reading professional grade writing from people who inject their own experiences into the world.
It's not food, to me. It is, but if it was, I've got a reality altering time machine that lets me unchop the tomato and extract the garlic even though it's been simmered in.
I'm sure some korean webtoon or danmei has the dynamics I like, but they don't come with insane music, movies and budget behind them. I enjoy the series for what it is, and fandom as a bit extra.
No.6566
>>6530>it's more interesting talking to them and discuss each other's artI can't even make friends in my native language so talking to JP fujos seems even more out of my league. I do however like browsing JP bl spaces because they can be pretty brutal and it's extremely entertaining to read compared to western commentary
No.6568
>>6566I feel you nonna. It's weird how damn rare it is to find citizens of mine online. I genuinely believe that they're all real life blogging on instagram if they are online at all (surprisingly, most people I know IRL never posted anything ever) because I genuinely never met a single fujo from my country online in English speaking spaces. I only post in English because that's what most do so you get a bigger crowd of people. But I wouldn't wonder if I wouldn't even find fujos of my country that are into MHA pairings or something else that's mainstream. Let alone other artists.
No.6575
I feel that whenever the canon VS fanworks discussion comes up people jump straight to extremes and assume the side who say they don't need a ship to be canon don't analyze canon at all and never refer to canon traits when picturing new scenarios. The challenge is to always frame everything with canon evidence of the character's behavior and preferences. Writing an OC is different from trying to fit within set guidelines, because you do much more discussion and revisions for existing characters. You think you're heading one way until you remember a particular line of dialogue and realize it should go a different direction. That's the fun of it to me, like searching for answers in a big reference text. And when you read someone else's work there's moments when the voice of a character or just the feel of their attitude shines through and it's like really looking at them again. I don't get that as much with JP fics, but then the JP fics that I get shared usually involve heart panting and silly scenarios like "x is the prince of a distant country and was supposed to marry the princess of the rival nation, only the princess turned out to be an octopus with a flat chest." Japan writes so much just-for-fun fic with low stakes, I think it's because they haven't demonized fic writing so badly that their writers feel the need to act all profound and presentable to prove their worth. Western fic writers are always apologizing like they've committed a crime if they don't create a great work of literature. It makes it harder to tell which fics are actually dumb and which are just self conscious writers. JP writers just go "haha delusional parody about these guys involving naked ribbon please read if you do not mind this."
Anyway I need to write more myself and stop worrying about the quality of my writing because there is always a 15-year-old doing worse than me in the same fandom and someone out there thinking "I wish there were more fics not by a 15-year-old!" who'd appreciate literally anything.
No.6598
>>6575I have never witnessed a Japanese parody fanfic so far. In most fandoms I am in they are more likely to be canon and not-AU than western fics.
I guess everything varies greatly, depending on the fandom. I also genuiely never see tranny fics, so no idea where these people are but they're apparently never liking the things I like I guess or their get drowned by non-tranny fics so I never stumble upon them.
Recently I also noticed how MASSIVELY the writing quality varies between fandoms. For the last decade I couldn't relate to the "badly written, like a fanfic" saying because most fics I read were well-written and certainly better than lots of published novels I have looked into. But a newer fandom I am into involves a certain fanbase I usually shared no common ground with and I am not sure if it's because of that, but holy shit is the writing bad! lmao
More shocking is that some of that garbage has hundreds of kudos, something I rarely see in the fandoms I was into before and neither for the pairings of the new thing. It makes me sound like an ass, but such experiences make me honestly wonder if fans of certain preferences are just more plebeian than others. I feel the same about tranny artists/writers, based on the stuff I see others sharing.
Anyway, regarding your own writing:
if you care about quality to begin with there is very, very high chance that you are one of the decent writers. You can tell that the creators of the bad content don't think twice and basically just publish their discord brainstorming. There is no way that you will do bad. And I wouldn't associate kudos with quality. Most of the best fics I have ever read had less than 50 kudos.
It doesn't mean that everything that gets praise is bad, it just means that those two things aren't necessarily related. Just write a fic for you as the sole audience and if the imaginary you enjoys it it's most likely good.
No.6599
>>6598Thing is, in new fandoms with A LOT of teenagers, you gotta account for factors that don't exist in heavily adult spaces.
Lack of reading real books. The more novels and published work you read, the higher grasp you have of what a GOOD classical story is vs thinking Genshin Impact is peak cinema. People genuinely think gacha game stories are the height of entertainment but have likely never surpassed their 8th grade mandated reading.
High school level writing. These children aren't being taught by published writers in schools but 20-somethings trying to pay off their degree or working on a Masters. The quality reflects their experiences directly.
For the adults who write, similar applies. They aren't trying to write something good, they're living in the teenage echo chamber of writing junk and non-praise is toxic and you will be kicked from their discord.
So, that leaves cases like real professional writers either never standing out because they don't write slop OR becoming fandom gods because they chose to write their slop with the highest quality imaginable.
I've read Chinese fanfic machine translated and they're seriously all bout fast sex and lust driven narrative. JP fans seem to be into mpreg and a lot of unorthodox concepts in smut. In the fandoms I choose to hang around in anyway.
I don't ever see "bad" fanfiction from asians because they seem to understand if it's not satisfactory to be enjoyed- it shouldn't be online. Wheras Americans seem to want praise for no effort and 'lol typing on my phone no spellcheck lmao.' Again, fandom depends because the older the age group, the more likely you'll find a book worthy professional piece and overall high kudos vs "And then Harry was really horny and he went to Draco's room because he had the password and then they made out." (Followed by 100,000 bookmarks/favorites)
No.6600
>>6599>I don't ever see "bad" fanfiction from asiansI think the ones typed out exactly like a hentai doujin are the worst. When each small paragraph of description comes between a long wall of katakana sex sound effects and there are hearts jammed everywhere, you can already tell it's time to backbutton. There was also one time the characters had been saying they were about to come for like 20 lines before they finally did, it was kind of hilarious.
At least the hentai style fic is always tagged so it's easy to filter out, though.
I would say that aside from the bad porn, I never see anything that's bad on an amateur wattpad level. The worst it gets is fic that's bland/boring or OOC, at least in my experience. Although I will say I despise when authors choose to use 'penis' the english word - I wouldn't find it hot in english, so I'm not going to find it hot in japanese kek
No.6601
>>6599Yes it's mostly this. Age and how people gravitate towards certain characters and genres depending on their age or avoiding these. I often like male focused seinen shit which is largely teen free, same with/or especially stories taking place in another era like Orb, NigeWaka or Kitarou, to name three somewhat popular recent examples. Just having the MCs or a large part of the cast being adults alone already keeps these fan away.
There are of course exception to these rules like when a hype blows up so much that even casual teens get into it (e.g. Mouthwashing)
You already mentioned the other factor: books. If a fandom is comic/manga-based it's almost always better than cartoon fandoms by a large margin. It's even more prevalent with books. Fans of written stories read (unsurprisingly) and reading is the first step for gaining experience as a writer.
I have seen a worrisome number of people desiring to be writers and outright stating that they don't read at all. They have the audacity to claim that all other authors were shit or even admit they don't like reading but believe they'll become the next Shakespeare regardless.
No.6602
>>6599>echo chamber of writing junk and non-praise is toxic and you will be kicked from their discordOh my fucking god, this. I just witnessed drama related to this today. Because that art of one artist in my fandom is just.. really bad and ugly tbh. At least when she's trying to emulate anime styles since she's apparently used to draw cartoons. And yet everytime she posts some absolute low effort sketch the group HAS to praise it and calls it the best shit ever but Japanese twitter users are normal and only retweet what they like, so she's never getting likes besides from that little group of active chat friends (minus myself).
And I think they don't help anybody with this. Forced praise is already toxic to begin with and I for once cannot lie, so the best I can do is a single honorable retweet if we talk to each other in private but usually they will still get a meltdown over a lack of retweets and maybe even complain about likes, making the those that still respected them before give up because NOBODY wants to get guilt-tripped for "only" liking something.
I had other fandoms where the god-tier art some talented artist posted got at best some tagged-on emoji reactions (not sure it's called on discord) while every garbage OC fanart got praised for half an hour and then they posted it and it got 1-2 retweets, because people are obviously lying. And yet, everybody pretends it wasn't the case, even the shitty artist themselves.
Japanese fans do it right. They will always accept you as a foreign artist if you are good. But they don't pity-RT or fake enthusiasm. We should bring this back, even if it sounds assy.
It helps nobody, especially not the person they lie to. And everybody can get good if they TRY and practice + leave their comfort zone. But they won't do that if their friends lie to them and tell them they are already perfect and the Japanese were just evil racists.
No.6604
>>6600>saying they were about to come for like 20 lines before they finally did( ՞ਊ ՞)☞
Don't bully erectile dysfunction sufferers.
No.6605
>>6602The insincere praise that exists in fandom spaces nowadays is so poisonous, I've myself found it hard to accept praise these days because I'm so used to people going overboard with it that I always have to second guess if they're being earnest with their enthusiasm. Like do you actually enjoy my work or are you just being factitious? I can't tell anymore. Of course I appreciate any nice comments, I really do, but I want to push myself into developing and being better and after the 100th time you hear the "AAAHHHH SO GOOD I LOVE IT IT MAKES ME WANT TO GO FERAL RAAAHHH!!!!!" you're so desensitized almost any "normal" comment sounds borderline negative or mocking.
No.6606
>>6605I feel exactly the same. And it also makes insecure about my own commenting. Do they think I was lying? Because I just want to say what I think, which is usually something along the lines of "This is so good, you have a very beautiful artstyle" and I feel like people would think it was a lazy lie because I am not screaming and posting exaggerated meme reactions
No.6607
>>6605In order to prevent this I've only been commenting like that on art that truly does make me feel like this, such as high quality porn of my OTP. If I just modestly like a drawing but don't have anything meaningful to say about it I'll just retweet it.
No.6632
I am a bit tired of the fujo narrative on 4chan that claims that canon was for zoomers or some shit and a REAL fujo wouldn't need happy endings, canon gay or even gay hints because being fujo means making everything up in your and create all the content yourself.
What if I actually want to be entertained for once? What if I don't want to create a whole fucking narrative from nothing or write a novel-length fanfic to work around the shitty endings canon is giving me?
You never see people calling fans of happy endings or het romances losers for being sad about a grim dark ending, NTR or a break up. Strangely it only applies to fujo and I should be happy with shit because real fujos like shit. I am so tired of authors going as far as killing characters off or adding some last-minute ship sinking because they realised the pairing has fans and they hate gays or fujos or both or authors that write characters sleeping in the same bed but get offended if someone thinks of shipping them but then seethe if their shitty het pairing isn't popular because fans have barely even seen the characters interact.
I am not saying that fandoms that feed themselves were bad, the opposite is true. But it would be nice if we had more series where fujos could create a shitton of fanart and fics to expand on the story, opposed have the whole fandom being copium-based and fans writing What IF stories because canon sucks ass.
No.6637
Not really fujo-related but I just saw someone on bluesky make a compilation of "black-centered mods" for a game which is good and proactive on its own but of course it's all coated in bitching about how 'abysmal' and 'dire' the situation is and the user has called modders boring while compiling the list and the replies on the post also reek of the same type of entitled attitude that yurishitters have. Instead of bitching at modders for not letting you self-insert hard enough why not learn blender and contribute to fixing the issue yourself? Say what you will about the modbeast coomer community but they sure have enough motivation to put in their own nightmarish stuff.
No.6638
>>6637> modbeast coomer community Conan Exile or FFXIV? Because the latter is absolutely a racecard playing virtue signal.
No.6640
>>6632It's admirable what fujos 20 years ago made from what they had to work with, but I agree that glorifying it now is a little pathetic in a sort of similar way to channers who only watch like, Pokemon and Hamtaro "for the girls" and think they're cool level 99 coomer internet gods. There is or at least should be better, more diverse media for people over 15 now who don't have eight hours a day to think their own scenarios.
No.6642
>>6632Whats the issue with reading official bl?
Well, that would have been the answer, guess nowadays it'd be reading official danmei and Korean bl if you want official gay endings with a long and detailed plot line that's not just gay.
While I think people chasing the fotm regardless if content and shoving a shallow bl ship to be a part of conversation is a bit too far, bashing other's tastes for genuinely enjoying "crumbs" (as absurd as they might get) or going full Voltron and yelling at creators when it's not gay enough is also a bit too far.
People like what they like and they ship what they ship, it is what it is.
No.6644
>>6632I think you, like a lot of people, forget that fujoshi were born out of making shit up about their favorite boys in anime and manga who didn't have any romance. The biggest example was God Mars and then Gundam but the boom was around the 80's with Captain Tsubasa and Saint Seiya.
You see. there is a difference in "I want a story with an actual romance to end in a good way" when the story is about two guys with a teasing romance and "I want x and y to get together" when the official source is not about them being together in the first place.
Which is why original BL (or how they call it, commercial BL) is a thing completely separated by secondary creations (fanarts/fics) made by fans of any fandom.
And even inside BL there are categories that define what kind of fujoshi you are and the works you like to read (picrel) and not everyone is going to like the same thing in the same way.
>REAL fujo wouldn't need happy endingsI mean, メリバ was coined for a reason lol
No.6645
>>6638The latter, though it wouldn't surprise me if there's other modding communities where this is a thing too.
No.6646
>>6645>pretends_to_be_shockedI learned the word modbeast very specifically from the ff14 community. And I know several "black modders" who bank on stereotypical hairstyles, clothing and facial features that's Disneyesque in their "make it as black as possible" sort of way. Think Cruella having random ethnics with the most ethnic features ever.
Vent begins here.
That community is so horrid I don't even engage with the fujo side because it's mostly westerners obsessed with twitter brigades when all I want is for the Zenos fuckers and Zoraal Ja fuckers to hold hands and talk about the most triggering tropes known to fandom. Unfortunately, there are no groups online for just that and I need to learn Korean/Chinese because English speakers will try and crusade against you IN GAME over silly shit like mods or thinking wrong. Japan naming them American Thought Yakuza is so apt. Because holy fuck- I do not want to see someone's racial obsession when looking for fan content. Looking at you ShinyWindow. (if it's not him then I have several ideas who, the community is JUST tight enough to be able to pinpoint the "I'm BIPOC so you have to take what I say seriously all the time.")
No.6647
I block anyone who posts it and mute everything, but I still end up getting jumpscared by hetbend content of my OTP because the mouthbreathers in this fandom decided one of them is either nonbinary or "transfem"
No.6648
>>6642Official BL is usually too mundane, a phone comic or something that's entirely centered around the relationship and story revolves around that. It doesn't work for me. The only gay I can get into is the surprise gay in fantasy, sci-fi or/and action-comedy. Think danmei gets close to that but I can't get over the samey feminine designs, the autistic myths or cultivation they're about.
>>6644I didn't mean it that way anyway. I mean they're should be more between "actual gaysex" and "the whole ship is based on a scene where enemy-kun says he won't rest until he kills MC".
I basically just crave half of what every het fag gets in every 99% of fiction since the dawn of humanity where you start a story to witness an exciting journey but then the w/m comrades get together on the side while the main plot progresses.
I am not demanding canon gay. Just dynamics of close friends that could be interpreted as such. Every normal IRL human shares their drink with friends when they meet. I do it with my friends (m+w), I see it all the time happening when I am outside, even among the most masculine men. You can depict so much closeness that is more than enough for fujos while still not being explicitly gay.
I think a lot of fans and writers are just very paranoid about normal human interaction and consider the sharing of a red bull equal to gay porn. When Pucci was lying on the bed and reading books with Dio in Jojo it was enough to gain them a huge fanbase even though it was just a friendship scene. I mean this. Opposed to people telling me I wasn't a fujo if I wasn't happy about 0 canon hints or outright ship denial while the author tweets some hateful anti-fujo commentary.
No.6649
>>6648>Think danmei gets close to that but I can't get over the samey feminine designsGet the other reasons but they're novels with 3-5 pictures, can't you just imagine different designs? Nothing is stopping you from just using a character design you like, changing what needs to make sense in canon, and calling it a day.
No.6650
>>6646> I need to learn Korean/Chinese because English speakersI never played FF14 but I am literally improving my Japanese skills right now by forcing myself to tweet and reply in JP, TL the tweets others make and analyse every tidbit I would have said differently if I tried to say the same thing in JP. Twitter is great for this thanks to the short text messages.
Because I realised that no matter what fandom I am in the Asian part is the only one that fucking matters. The good Japanese series usually don't have a western fanbase to begin with and the western series have a mostly terrible one. Sometime I even meet Japanese speaking westerners and it turns out they were having the same problem as me.
I just want to sperg about Chi., samurai shit with great pairings and characters, the Transformer rarepairs I am obsessed and other shit with the many Japanese artists I follow and who follow me instead of either looking at a wasteland and hearing the wind blow or looking at "funny" genderbending garbage, trannies and cringe botsonas.
No.6652
>>6648>>6649 Samefag, but the rest if your post, you're basically asking for better quality?
Ngl, that's understandable. Something like JJK's Megumi, I still don't get it tbh.
No.6654
>>6650> Transformer rarepairsCertainly not me, suffering, looking for literally any Knockout/NOT Breakdown. But especially Knockout/Soundwave. But ESPECIALLY Knockout/OP.
I got those brainworms anon. OpBee is a top tier rarepair but Prime reconfigured my whole world view of the franchise.
I'm happy that there are literal full decades of fan content online before the current minors online got to them. And Chinese artists make the highest quality rarepairs. I like my content a little (a lot of) fucked up and China's owning it.
No.6656
>>6648>The only gay I can get into is the surprise gay in fantasy, sci-fi or/and action-comedy.>I basically just crave half of what every het fag gets in every 99% of fiction since the dawn of humanity where you start a story to witness an exciting journey but then the w/m comrades get together on the side while the main plot progresses.This is how I feel. I want to play/read/watch stuff like I normally would but if there is an endgame romantic relationship at all I want it to be the one that I was already shipping. This never happens, so I get to roll the dice with fanfic or write it myself. Like you I think danmei comes close but the ones I've read are always just slightly over the level of suspension of disbelief I prefer to give stories, the kind of 256D chess that has me like "Sure Jan.gif" by the end.
No.6658
Why are girls always expected to relate to the stereotypical nagging female character? Do most girls really identify with that type of person? I have an aunt like that, and she’s so toxic,it honestly makes no sense to me.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan of the overly submissive generic kind type either but I feel like they’re just two sides of the same coin, like the meme about how men view women.
It’s sad that female characters who break away from those two archetypes rarely get the popularity they deserve.
No.6659
>>6658You mean in general or in bl?
I feel like bl has gotten better recently, as far as in general it's always felt more like an "obligation", or "a role that men need to have around" than something meant for women to to relate to.
No.6660
>M/M turns out to be traditional M/F gender rolls
>obvious trans fetishization
Mother of FUCKS
I HATE THIS
Just genderbend them FFS. There is no reason to label something BL when it's actually hetshit.
No.6661
>>6658Are we even supposed to relate or is it just another case of badly written female characters?
>like the meme about how men view womenProbably. Most creators that don't write women as the naive submissive waifus write them as the nagging bitch even or even especially if it's a western series that tries to be woke.
I would maybe read more series with het too if 98% of the female characters in fictions weren't pure shit. And the chance of a femcharacter being bad gets even higher if she's involved in a het romance because for most writers romances start and end with "love because he has a dick and she has a vagina".
No.6665
My OTP used to be so much more popular than it currently is. One half of the ship has been somewhat forgotten because he doesn't show up in the series as much as he used to, and the other half now gets shipped with two other male characters, but those dynamics just aren't interesting to me at all, and they lack what I found so interesting about my OTP. I know it's petty because there's a lot of old content of my OTP, but it makes me sad because the character who's been mostly forgotten recently appeared in an entry in the series, and he BARELY has any interactions with the other half of my ship.
I don't hate the other two ships that are more popular now, but I don't multiship. I feel like the two pairings are more 'soft' and appealing to more people than my OTP. One of the two pairings makes perfect sense and it's like half-canon anyways (even if I don't personally ship it, it's regarded as the 'unproblematic ship' for this character, so I get why people do), but the other one just feels totally random and like a misunderstanding of both of their characters. I feel a little guilty being so bitter over it lol.
No.6668
>>6665It's okay to be sad about this. It's always painful to witness the general interest in a pairing vanish when you love it so much that it became your hyperfixation.
If it helps if you like to draw or write create something for them if you don't already do. Sometimes your own stuff will inspire others and some of them might then create more for this OTP.
No.6671
>>6598Sorry for the late reply, I meant parody in the Japanese sense. It's what they call fanworks to differentiate them from official media. Probably comes from doujinshi culture and legal distancing. AUs are fairly common, but they're usually author endorsed or based on merchandise designs. Like if you get merch where the characters are dogs you get a bunch of art and fics where the human versions have the dog versions as pets. The taste in AUs is different, they have their own cliches instead of what people usually complain about in the west. eg. If they ever explain why a character has a dog version of another character as a pet it
will be a sob story about adopting an abandoned animal.
I had a similar experience for the longest, but some more recent fandoms ended up being casually filled with it. The kind where untagged fics that aren't about gender or sex will persistently refer to a guy as a she, and the author never explains why they're doing it. A collective of fans just decided that was a thing and do it wherever, even though it directly opposes the canon. Funnily enough those are also the fandoms where the wonky "the brunette said" writing occurs. The ones with more palatable language and full paragraphs are always in fandoms where they're more focused on multichapter plots that juggle character introspection and big lore events. It gives you that feeling that they care more about the actual characters and what happens in the setting than bending things to be about the same one subject over and over. And yeah, they'll then get 15 kudos from their dedicated readers while a 1400 words "x is trans" fic gets 120 (because it was short and easy to finish). It makes you feel like such a grumpy old bitch, even though the people writing the poor quality fics are 20-somethings. I've read a few of the casual she-ing fics that were good and did characterization well, but it adds to the list of things you can't always rely on to determine whether to keep reading. I wish it didn't make me wary when family or childhood come up because it's distracting.
I hate to confess this but I have published discord brainstorming before. I'm someone with a billion detailed ideas but lacking in concentration and confidence when writing things out, and sometimes writing it live into a chat shared by just me and a friend or two is the only way I'll actually tell the story. Editing drives me nuts, so the pacing is dire from how I start summarizing events and end up telling every teeny aspect of a scene. I keep saying that if I had faith in my writing to begin with I'd start on a stronger foot, but the only difference now is I've written more out that I haven't finished
or published. It's much more than I normally write on a regular basis but isn't going anywhere. Thanks for trying to help though, I'm a mess that goes in circles every year but I can at least keep reminding myself that my language is smoother because I care about how it reads.
No.6673
>>6605I've had that feeling really bad lately because of the whiplash between simple stuff I post getting the screaming catchphrases, and the heartfelt ones people don't reply or react at all. Silence for days and then someone else posts and they're off again shouting. Since they only respond to something they can quickly ingest it at least means they don't pass judgement, fake or otherwise, on something they haven't read in full or opened. It feels like none of them has enough faith in me to engage with the things I spend more time on though. If they criticized things they could tell me why it's not appealing to them, but it's not in their vocabulary so awkward silence it is.
>>6648I feel like you're moving the goalposts from your previous post, and this exact same conversation with the goalpost moving happened already. Starts out with strong accusations and speaking in absolutes, and then backs down and makes the argument more moderate so it's hard for people to disagree. Honestly that's super annoying to me, especially because it sounds like going from complaining about people who don't exist, and then saying "no, actually I just said I wanted (thing everyone wants), is that so wrong". Reminds me of unsavory people to be quite honest.
No.6674
>>6673>I feel like you're moving the goalposts from your previous postNo. My point is that people treat BL shipping as if it must either be based on outright canon yaoi or absolutely nothing when I actually want a middle ground. Like when people keep bringing up Voltron, a series I never watched, to exemplify why canon was bad (something nobody ever does to shit on yuri despite that it has its toxic fans as well) when I originally just complained about fujos calling everybody who needs or wants an actual canon foundation (not canon gay, just a canon groundwork) first a fake fujo as if crack pairings or shipping of married hetero dudes was the only way to live and disliking it meant you are a zoomer.
I never watched Naruto but as far as I know the main ship had a good groundwork to build up on. In that case it's MCs from a WSJ though so it's obvious they'll end up with girls. But if it wasn't it's more or less what I am talking about. Or just good, close friendships.
I brought it up because I saw someone in a group fawning over another villain/mc pairing where the characters didn't even interact yet. I need an existing chemistry and no actual ship denial is what I meant.
The other part was myself wondering why actually hinted ships cannot exist casually in non-BL series to begin with. 99% of all Hollywood movies involve het romances but they aren't labeled as romances. Because they aren't.
And yet with BL you have to choose between either nothing at all or gay, but then it's a romance and the characters are solely defined by their gay relationship. Thing is I happen to dislike romance as a genre and considering that popular gay ships seem to stem from non-romances the majority might feel similar.
No.6676
>>6674One must wonder if any hetfags actually care deeply about Megan Fox x MC in this years summer blockbuster lol.
I similarly feel like I've had this convo before on here in some shape or form. I think categorizing non canon ships as being "based on nothing" is a bit of a stretch, most people shipping have a sense of what they like and see in the source material, while some popular ships are seemly plucked from thin air usually if you are pouring in 10k words you're basing the ship on something and it isn't just crack. While it hurts when you are one of 4 other writers publishing fics for a superior ship the other people aren't writing based on nothing at all. A character having a canon female love interest doesn't mean jack shit if you're willing to write around it, and I get it's not for everyone, but that doesn't make the pairing "crack" or less valid.
Also forgive me but I do think if you don't want a last minute love interest thrown in or a token wife and kids ending then you just need to either seek out series that are already concluded and you know people end up single/gay or temper your expectations. I also don't get the complaint that actual BL is mundane, I like writing fanfiction so it spoils ny fun lol, but there is a ton of dark and serious narrative-based works in the horror and fantasy genres. There are plenty of series with actual ongoing plots and the canon BL is just a side element.
No.6677
I've seen the "If you care about canon you're a zoomer" discourse before and I thought it was too extreme as well. The only situations where I feel it applies is with series where younger people(Usually) get so high on their ship they actually convinced themselves it's canon and absolutely flip the fuck out when the hetero shounen they were reading indeed turned out to be a hetero shounen. Before the MHA discourse I remember that time when tokyo ghoul had a hetero sex scene and some people who shipped MC with a guy lost their shit.
No.6678
>>6674>My point is that people treat BL shipping as if it must either be based on outright canon yaoi or absolutely nothing when I actually want a middle ground. But people don't, never have I met a single person who wanted nothing and every time this argument comes up EVERYONE wants the middle ground. Yet someone keeps trying to start shit and accusing others of various insults and bizarre behaviors, which sets everyone off trying to defend their idea of the same middle ground everyone is already on.
>>6677It's not "if you care about canon", it's "if the total sum of canon breaks what canon already gave you brainworms for". Nobody ships without some spark of motivation!
No.6680
>>6668Thanks, nona. I do write privately, but I don't post things online because I'm extremely self-conscious lol. Even when I write original fiction, it's usually somewhat inspired by them.
No.6681
>>6399tbh I noticed that shit like this is always done by people who still have an urge to create fanart and fics but completely lack any sort of creativity so they resort to gender/transbending and stupid AUs or alt-versions of the characters because they cannot come up with an interesting narrative to save their lives.
I am in two fandoms which are full of possibilities and a lot of chronological holes where you roughly know what has happened with or between the characters but the series didn't show it. The creative fans create whole comics and fic series about these years and even without them there is so much to draw, fill, headcanon it's fun. And yet there are people who cannot come up with anything so they draw or write the dudes as schoolgirls, or elves, or Family Guy characters, mermaids and other shit. And observing them I think they simply lack any sort of own ideas so they can only think "Character. But female. OR as furry!"
No.6683
me right before joining an anglophone discord server for a fujoship: "I hope I don't regret this."
me 0.5 seconds after joining: "I regret this."
there's just something about westoid discourse that I'm absolutely allergic to, even when the CJK equivalent is fine to me (barring my personal squicks)
No.6684
>>6683There's multiple discord servers I'm on where I can get along with people just fine but there's definitely been occasions where I'd join and I could just FEEL the underaged energy in general chat.
No.6685
>>6683I am still baffled that the Golden Kamuy server I am it is cool. I knew it would be good when I saw the rule
>"If there's conflict between users in this server, it must be resolved off server. Mods reserve the right to kick members who continually bring drama or arguments into the server."At the same time the series largely avoids attracting and gender fags or kiddos. But yeah, it's rare.
Out of interest and fun and without telling the fandom: what was it that told you it's shit after a few mere seconds, nonna?
>>6684Same here. Sometimes I log in, see retarded screaming, an overabundance of emoji and meme phrases and leave again. I also can't stand overly cutesy servers. No matter how nice the people are, I just don't want to talk when the chat feels like a safe space for over-emotional kids.
Agree that Asian places are usually so much better. And fuck kids, sorry. But there is always a higher chance that a server is acceptable if they outright ban the underaged. Make your own servers, bitches.
No.6686
>>6685AYRT, it’s supposed to be an 18+ server but it’s full of, as you say, retarded screaming. And gendies. But maybe I’m not being fair, this was only my immediate reaction. It doesn’t motivate me to look for the diamonds in the rough though.
No.6688
>>6687Dunno why but it makes me unreasonably annoyed when I see people, especially people I talk to in fandom chat groups, bring up gacha shit or other pop cultural mainstream stuff up for no reason.
I am the type that cannot lie, so I can't pretend to care about something if I don't and I might sound like a cop, but discord channels should stay on topic. This is why I am there after all. If I want to small talk about other shit I would talk to my IRL friends. Please make an OC and "other series/games" channel so that I can mute it instantly and keep that stuff out of the places I come to in order to discuss the series the discord was made for.
My current fav ship sadly only has one discord so I can't make myself leave that behind (yet) since I have nobody else to talk to, but I eventually might if the three most active fans won't stop with their OC shit and "JKfication" of my katana wielding men, respectively if that one other user won't stop talking about Arknights.
No.6692
>>6683As fandoms grow and new shows come out, it feels like it's always the same people joining the same fandoms (the next big thing, like it was with JJK and now it's Arcane). Discord servers turn into "safe space for all headcanons!!!" and it's the same underage retards and 2/4 people older than 20 that still act like they're 16. There's no actual discussion about the show other than shipping and headcanons and OOC fanfics, and an #art channel that is brimming with ugly fankids, ocs from other shows, genshin talk and tranny art.
You're not allowed to hate on any character, to ship a character with the opposite gender if said character has a popular headcanon of being a lesbian/gay, and god forbid you talk about "problematic" things.
The only thing left to do is to wait until the hype around it dies, these people follow to other fandoms and only the diehard fujos/fans stay
No.6693
>>6692I wish someone could create the AO3 of chat software.
Fandom spaces suck. Someone makes a new one, generally, advertised as proship and then you're flooded with people worse than antis posting gross shit. And by gross I mean fat fetish and diaper shit.
I have tried to make fan discords, but advertisement is limited to bot sites or posting on reddit, which loops back to the anti-anti's.
I want to talk about the media I like but fandom specific spaces are often only popular on sites with terrible rules (Reddit) or terrible people (Twitter) and the best places never actually get popular. Aethy is probably the one place I'm comfortable posting headcanons and ship talk but it's about as active as here. To clarify, I don't need a fandom space that's like /v/, just active enough to where I don't feel like I'm posting in a 1 like a year tumblr
No.6694
>>6692I used to create ragebait posts to fish for this kind of person just because I was bored.
No.6695
>>6692>#art channel that is brimming with ugly fankids, ocs from other shows, genshin talk and tranny art.Always the same shit I see. Fankids and OCs in general are usually the shit that makes me ignore or mute an artist because it's literally off-topic and I don't get why people won't see it as such. I hate how it has to be accepted just to be "equal" to canon character fanart because no it isn't. And no drawing a shitty OC (it will usually look EXACTLY as the fav of the respective artist with one little new detail) kid of a canon character won't make it canon.
Also fuck all that het shit in dedicated discords for a particular m/m ship as well as het bending in series that are 100% male. And I count tranny shit as het'ing too.
I even notice some of the shit I hate with Korean and Chinese fans as well. Out of all the places Japan seems to be one sticking closest to canon and interesting ideas while everybody else draws their favs as trannies or with Genshin costumes or some other popular crap I never engaged with.
No.6696
>>6695Chinese artists from what I've seen are either all in obsessed with giving men vags or below average cocks.
No in between.
And it's not even for lgbt reasons, they just decide who's the bottom, give him a vagina, and that's all they draw. Koreans on the other hand have that OC Webtoon style with puffy, reddened eyes and turn unique characters hairstyles into the same k-pop shit.
That said, I'll take it over fankids and fat versions of healthy characters.
No.6697
>>6695I feel petty for saying this, but I'm getting tired of seeing yuri genderbends of M/M, mostly because my ship is being flooded with it. I'm fine with it if it's here and there, but it seems like every artist for my ship is doing it now since they're all copying each other (it's a small fandom), and I'm sick of seeing it. If I want yuri, I'll read about canonical female characters, not genderbent versions of male characters. Most of the time it's just giving the characters long hair, boobs, and making them wear a skirt, and I don't see the appeal. Agree that Japanese artists are the ones who seem to closely stick to canon.
No.6699
>>6696>Chinese artists from what I've seen are either all in obsessed with giving men vags I've noticed Chinese artists are 100x more obsessed with cuntboys than JP/KR ones too. What gives?
No.6700
>>6695>I even notice some of the shit I hate with Korean and Chinese fans as well.I noticed in my personal experience that koreans seem to be the most likely to spam IRL politics and social justice shit on their art twitter. I know that more recently it's no wonder cause major protests happened but even before that the korean artists I follow would retweet stuff like social justice articles.
No.6701
>>6692>and god forbid you talk about "problematic" things.the stuff these tiktok gendies deem as problematic is so incredibly out of touch with reality its fucking insane
i see so many 13 year old trannies claim that gay men are opressed cuz fujos make thhwem uncomwfy uwuwuw
or better yet they say theyre the ones being fetishised (the 13 year old trannie) because s-someone asked if they w-were top or bottom and it made them super u-uncomfy
No.6702
>>6696I think feminization kink must be extra-baked into Chinese culture or something, it's in the language with how one partner has to be called 'wife' even if it's two men. That and China is a lot more homophobic, and there's a certain type of homophobic fujo who can only do M/M when it's as het as possible, they've got to be able to have babies, etc.
No.6703
>>6700Yeah it's the same if you talk to them privately. They are at least as bad Americans just calmer and less retarded. But politically they're largely the same and will most likely annoy you with SJ talking points and if it's a male Korean he will most likely annoy you by being a Trumpist, it's cursed.
>>6696Yes I can confirm this based on some Chinese fans I am talking to right now. No idea why. For Japanese fans I only see herm, but very, very seldom and I never see cuntboys (aka men with vag AND no penis) whereas Chinese fans are more like westerners in that regard and de-dick every man they HC as bottom and they always headcanon the one they prefer as bottom even if it makes 0 sense which is another thing I don't understand.
No.6704
>>6701> s-someone asked if they w-were top or bottom and it made them super u-uncomfyI've seen this brought up so many times as an anti-fujo talking point, not even by actual gay men, that I'm convinced they're just making it up. That, or their irl fujo friend probably said it as a joke and is now wondering why their trannyjo friend is suddenly uncomfortable with basic seme/uke memes.
No.6705
>>6704I have never seen this and never heard of this so I agree with you, I don't buy it at all.
To ask this you would have to consider both of them men first. And I have yet to see a young tif that looks manly enough to make someone ask this question genuinely, assuming she was a man.
At best I can imagine insensitive people or joking old friends asking this an actual gay man but I refuse to believe that it happens with fujos and trannies.
Also if they are as young as the other anon said there is no way anybody that allegedly said it meant it seriously. Hell 13 year olds barely know what sex is, I doubt any 13 year old kiddie can actually be trans already in the sense of transitioning.
No.6706
>>6705Meanwhile, FTMs refer to themselves as 'twinks' all the time. I think your average gay man would be more uncomfortable at that.
No.6707
>>6706While I know women and especially tomboys that indeed look like bishounen without even trying I always find it odd seeing online-FTMs refer to them as such because everytime I happen to see a photo of them (and they will always post one) they are the exact opposite of a twink. And usually they're not boyish looking either, even if they color their hair blue or something.
No.6708
>>6707>And usually they're not boyish looking eitherso many "trans activists" claim that its okay not to want to medically transition? totally dont understand that cuz pretty sure if you actually are trans you suffer with dysphoria and that makes u wanna chop your tits off real bad or smth
majority of all these mtf mlm or nobbinary individuals are just teenage girls going thru puperty and think itd be neat to live out their little yaoi fantasy
sometimes they also straight up wear dresses and makup and other girly stuff but claim that theyre a guy anyway
and if you even slighty question them being trans they call you transphobic
truly concerning how many people dont have the ability to have a basic discussion and just deem you off as problematic if you say something that doesnt fit their view
No.6709
>>6708There is one person in a fandom I am in that is very vocal about her transness and throws a whiny fit everytime someone misgenders her (aka uses she/her pronouns) but she keeps posting photos where she is half naked and showing her giant tits (she's overweight so they're huge) so what does she expect? She neither dresses nor looks nor behaves like a guy.
ACTUALLY, now that I think about it I get misgendered more frequently than her (skinny face, no visible tits with clothes etc.) but to be honest it never bothered me. I would feel bad correcting let alone attacking the poor stressed airport worker or waiter for this after looking at me for a second.
I don't buy that anybody, trans or not, can be affected so much by this that they get the mental breakdowns they always pretend to have. And if it really DID hurt so much they would do their best to avoid it, like at least by wearing gender neutral clothes. They don't though and this is why I believe it's just part of the victim play. They probably even provoke it. Like if I met a woman in a pink skirt who deliberately acted super girly and told me that she is he/him I would assume she's mentally ill or provoking me lol. I would feel differently if it was someone who actually came off as androgynous and dressed like it.
No.6711
>>6702>they've got to be able to have babiesas fujos, we have lost our way. I remember when mpreg was so underground people used to make albums on facebook with shitty anime mpreg pics to disgust people off. Then mpreg, along with omegaverse, became mainstream and now no one can draw a male giving birth through his ass anymore. always has to have a pussy involved. we failed. we failed to gatekeep mpreg and it's all tranny shit now
No.6712
>>6711>try to find that one transformers mpreg image that hit meme status>notice comments since it's on a fandom page>people spamming how they want to kill the person who made it (probably a child or low tier chris-chan)I tend to forget how hateful, ignorant, and all around unpleasant the internet is outside of my intensely curated spaces. It's like, people either can't take a joke or misinterpret an obvious one as being deathly serious and start reeing or screeching at people over something that's clearly an autistic type of humor.
Not even 4chan is this bad and will take an image like that in good faith or at the very least know how to ignore it. I'm not even into mpreg myself, not much anyway. Keeping them fully male and getting creative is what made it interesting. I don't want to look at or read women giving birth, which is what mpreg is now.
No.6713
>>6711Hetfags have always been obsessed with babies ever after, and omegaverse (and transfic) opened the floodgates for that in BL and probably attracted tons of people who would only be mainstream hetfags otherwise. Omegaverse solves the 'traditional mpreg' problem of coming up with a biological excuse for the mpreg, while pasting on het-lite gender dynamics and adding other shiny tropes like biological imperative, breeding kink, etc.
As for transfic, pretty sure in real life testosterone stops your periods and you have to go off it to get preg but of course no one cares about that, it's written as plain cuntboy kink with a different name most of the time.
No.6714
>>6711What I hate the most is that a lot fans even get offended when I call a male character they pretend to be a woman "man". It's not about "top and bottom" anymore, it's about "man and woman" and it pisses me off.
Like there is a series with three men I like who are seasoned fighters with muscles and weapons, but one of them eventually leaves the first dude he was attached to for the other dude, he was hinted to be sexually interested in both and he also acts romantic when he's alone with them. He even blushes when one of them holds his hand! So you maybe understand why I assume that he is the bottoming one, right?
But no. The guy that appeared first is the most popular one so everybody prefers him, which is fine. The problem is that the non-Japanese part of the fandom headcanons their favs as women.
So calling him a man causes a discussion. And imagining him topping isn't allowed either because it implies he was a man. They only draw him either genderbent, as cuntboy or not explicitly female but with clearly female poses and super feminine ooc acting. Said guy is a super idealistic, traditionalist, stoic warrior with masculine face btw. but that doesn't matter it seems.
I want to go back to the times when we were discussion top and bottom and instead of being called out for calling a masculine man a man and claiming that bottoming wasn't the same as being female.
No.6715
>>6714Jesus Christ this is horrifying
No.6716
>>6714Sounds like you're in some fringe groups I've never seen that and you should distance yourself from them asap.
No.6717
>>6714>>6715>>6716I keep noticing this behavior (even if it's not hostile) and I legit believe it's tiktok, instagram and other meme places spreading it because I even see Asians getting into it and it's namely younger Asians with good English skills who are addicted to social media. I don't think it only affects fujos in denial, because the "fetishizing" meme isn't really a thing in Asia and I see proud fujos who but still engage in tranny shit.
I don't know why it's Japan of all places that seems to be relatively immune to this AFAIK. Maybe Japanese tend to be more reserved and stick to other Japanese fans and media instead of watching US tiktok videos. But I rarely notice transwashing with Japanese (it does exists, but not as commonly).
A small fandom I am in had none of it until I recently met a funny LATAM fan. She is cool so imagine my sad surprise when I saw her first fanart being an anime dude with chest scars. I have never seen this in my fandoms before and most of them are more popular among Russians and east Asians, so imagine my disappointment when the sole American (and not even US American) fan I meet turns out to do it. She isn't even identifying as trans, which makes it weirder.
No.6719
>>6717>LATAMohhh I don't know how but that community is somehow worst than the English speaking lol It's like being stuck in 2016 tumblr
No.6722
>>6719In one of my fandoms the Spanish fics are even more garbage than the English ones, but in another fandom, the handful of Spanish (and other non-English) fics are currently the only non-garbage ones being posted! Wish I knew where their group is so I could be friends with them… (unless it's Facebook. It's always Facebook for some reason.)
No.6723
>>6722I wasn't even aware that fandoms are even a thing of facebook, I never used it.
The artists are all from twitter but I never know where the non-Asian fic writers are from because they surely never post on twitter or any other fandom focused spaces. My current fandom only has shitty fics for a shitty ship I don't care about though so I didn't bother searching and I doubt I would find them if they're on FC or instagram and other normalfag spaces.
I wish there were more fic writers though. I feel like new fandoms don't get any English fics anymore unless it's mainstream slop like dandadan, sxf etc.
No.6724
>>6723This hurts because I feel it personally. I've been getting into a lot of brand new games or re-releases of titles just to see the fanfiction community is literally non-existent.
My work for them remained at the top of the page for a week.
Got into Transformers and it's like being dumped back into the MHA fandom. The difference between mainstream and niche is very black and white
No.6725
>>6723I've had people ask to translate my fanart and post it on their [insert language] facebook group, so yeah. No idea how people can be comfortable doing fandom stuff on the same account their family follows, but I don't use FB so I don't know how it works.
No.6726
>>6724Yeah it's very sad. I am into Transformers as well but recently I feel like drawing for another series I love on top of it but something is truly missing if you don't get any fics.
And yeah, I am about to write the first even though I am rarely writing. But you have to start somewhere. But still. It's depressing how it's either ALL or NOTHING for western fandoms these days. I am even the only western artist for said series I think and this isn't even the first time it happened to me. Come on. It can't be that all westerners latch onto the few big hypes and ignore everything else, can it? And I am saying this as quite active TF artist/fan. But even for TF it can be funny to see how interest is distributed. It's like 98% of the fandom was into the same <10 characters (out of hundreds) and the rest has like two fics lol
At least the new Sentinel is getting tons of fanart which is nice since it's something new.
>>6725Wonder if it's something specific countries tend to do. The only people that are still using facebook in my own country are alt-right boomers lol
No.6727
>>6726>It can't be that all westerners latch onto the few big hypes and ignore everything else, can it?I watched the less liked TF shows and this is so the case. Rescue Bots despite the designs, has some incredible chemistry with the main characters and I love Blur's character. Blades is so cute with how much he loves BB too.
But you almost never see any of them compared to Prime characters or Animated.
I hope TF One can continue and get people to like more than the same 6 characters. I've read enough MegOp and Starscream. As soon as you filter ou t the top 10 pairings there's nothing left but practically drabbles.
No.6728
>>6723What fic can you even make for spyfam? I can't think of any ideas that'd get me motivated enough to write something.
No.6729
>>6727Oh yeah I am not even talking about less popular series. I am a huge fan of some of the characters and the lore of IDW2, the Marvel comics and some cartoons including even recent ones like Cyberverse, but for the first it's crickets, the second only has a bunch of Japanese fans that ship Xaaron/Impactor (based, but very rare and nothing to see in the west even though it's a western comic) and IDW2 had less than a handful of fans that drew anything related to it to begin with and again most of those few were Asians as well, despite that it's a western/English comic.
The art and fics is basically all just IDW1, TFP, TFA and G1-focused continuity soup as they call it. And even when I draw IDW1 stuff I realise that nobody but me and two Asians ever drew said character, so even there you get that discrepancy lol
Last year I drew a ship I realised had 0 art lmao. Granted it was more obscure but still.
No.6730
>>6727I loved Rescue Bots, but it was marketed as a baby show for babies. That's an incredibly hard sell, even considering that the other shows are made to sell toys.
No.6731
>>6719In my experience they are calmer than US fans but save for some very rare exceptions incapable of drawing canon character designs without race swapping, skin color change (and I don't talk about hues or style but literally making a light-skinned dude black or Latino or something else or vice versa) and fat gain etc.
It's sad because I am loosely friends with one fujo from a South American country myself and she is funny and everything and she isn't bad at drawing either but I am happy that she only posts her art on instagram because that gives me an excuse to never like/retweet it because it's all race swapping or trans washing without exception argh - this is super mysterious because she isn't even the overwoke type, she is chill, never talks about politics, AFAIK she doesn't consider herself non-binary or anything either so why does he draw it?? It feels like it was seen as necessity, I have no idea.
No.6732
>>6730you just unlocked some memories for me! i loved that show (despite not having been into transformers previously). although i was way younger then and had no idea of there being a fandom at all and i was wayyy too embarrassed to be watching my younger brother’s robot show, kek.
No.6733
>>6729I am the first and only writer of certain ships in various fandoms. I don't want to give my name, but it was a shock to see how few people ever had the idea. Even in extremely popular franchises.
People read it and they like it too, so it's not like the idea is nonsense. It's just strange to be the ONLY one who made it.
If there's an asian artist who makes Knockout and anyone that isn't Breakdown I'll probably follow them forever.
>>6730It's strange how hard the baby aesthetic is like the focal point when the writing is far from it. It's like watching Kim Possible because the writer is the same person. The designs aren't exactly on the same level, but seriously- it feels like a show targeted at fans of Transformers who had kids. Very specific, but I don't think a 5 year old particularly cares about the nuance of being a toxic obsessive fan who is instantly disappointed when the focal point of their fixation changes.
It was such a weird lesson for a toddler TV show but that's the type of writing it's got.
No.6734
>>6733>I am the first and only writer of certain ships in various fandoms. I don't want to give my nameYou know it's so funny how often I hear nonnas saying this. I suffer from the same issue lol - I would love to talk more about my ships or discuss concrete fandom experiences or mention what ship/series I am drawing or writing for but if I did I would reveal who I am either for being the only English speaking creator fan for it or for being the only creator for ship related content in general.
Speaking about TF, bless that one (1) Flame/Skorponok fan on tumblr who must have paid thousands to commission every TF artist under the sky to draw fanart of them. This is the autism I love. She even made me get into it somewhat, especially because I liked Flames but literally nobody but her, me and a male 4chan fan from Korean ever cared about him.
No.6736
>>6735Oh so they are still active?
Damn. And lol. What a shame that tumblr is still obsessed with gendie shit, but this is part of the reason for why I moved to twitter. I am honestly a bit fed up with Earthspark because I really liked Cyberverse and IDW2 but the same fans that refused to watch and read this and eventually helped getting these series cancelled were later all over Earthspark just because the kiddo shit and that one damn non-binary dude and praising the series like nothing else, pretending to be TF fans when they're obviously just gendie fans (they usually don't read the new comic either).
That said I wasn't a fan of the series regardless of the gendie bot. Bless Roche for his cool designs and I loved that one Bee + Breakdown episode because it didn't force the stupid terrans down my throat and was the only episode with a good dynamic and homo potential.
It's sad that even franchises that were known for their gay pandering (at least since the 10s) are now preferring trannies over homos. Even without trans I am just tired of all these cartoons that solely focus on "validation". I want cool adventures and emotions, not an animated comfort bubble and I am sure that actual children think the same.
No.6737
>>6736Post was from 2023 it looks like. I speed scrolled but it's not active-active it seems. Just there.
Breakdown and Bee were incredible, Earth is not their home and they show it very well. But (I'm black) I HATE how hard I can feel the designers trying to pander race and women of various browns in positions of power while making the skinny blonde evil. And not even in a gay and hot way.
Everything rubbed me the wrong way and cancellation can't come soon enough.
Being gay is no longer enough. Being just gay is no longer cool. You have to be aro-pan-he/they-do a fucking flip-brown now to be innovative. And I think if there were openly gay bots in the cartoons (besides Knockout) people would be more open to it if it was played as normal and natural as- well, Knockout. He was a slut but it didn't get in the way of his job or the fact that he won. Pausing the episode so Optimus Prime can make sure he knows your pronouns… what the FUCK earthspark. The delivery is so unnatural too like you're showing off basically a well bred dog. Hell, just being unclear and using they/them as a default wouldn't have immediatly set people off. Some would, but not as bad as it happening TWICE in one season.
No.6738
I'm still mulling over this one fandom with zero fics on AO3. I was really, really into the show back when it was airing, and it had a fandom on tumblr back then, but I guess they just never wrote anything. The JP fandom went nuts shipping certain pairs for years after it finished, and I would look at their art and imagine fic plots for days but I've never been good at writing things down.
Every time I think I should get on with rewatching the whole show and write it for the sake of giving it SOMETHING I remember I mentioned it here before and scrunch up thinking oh shit someone will notice it's me. Then I think how performative it is to write something just to call first. It's so dumb, but I keep going in circles about it every time people discuss lack of fics.
No.6739
>>6738You could get a different account or put it in the Anonymous collection.
No.6740
I love seeing fanworks for my favorite ship(s) to begin with but it's hard for me to ever find a tolerable non-Japanese fanfic because between fans that obviously don't give a shit about the topping character and just write him as penis and fans that over-uke'fy the bottoming dude and write him like a sensitive young girl there is almost nothing left.
I don't know why fans tend to obsess over the headcanon bottom so much and barely ever care about the dude they headcanon as the top to the point at which users I considered diehard fans of the SHIP say they don't care if the other one leaves the story as long as the first is still in or stop reading a series when the bottom leaves.
The more I engage with western fandoms the more I feel like they aren't even fujos or shippers but "kinners" that pick out one dude they self-insert in, turn him into a girl (either regarding look and behavior or outright by making him trans) and obsess over him and the shipping only exists to give him/her the dick.
No.6741
>>6740I feel like I'm the rare western fan that tends to love the tops more than the bottoms, problematic or not. I find bottomfags to be the most repulsive in terms of personality. Be it kinning or transing the bottom in fanfics or fanart, with their weirdo ass headcanons and takes.
When I write fanfic, I focus on both top and bottom, sometimes one or the other depending on what I'm writing. I think people who solely focus on the bottom in their fan material aren't real shippers
>barely ever care about the dude they headcanon as the top to the point at which users I considered diehard fans of the SHIP say they don't care if the other one leaves the story as long as the first is still in This is so stupid. Then you're not a fan of the ship at all.
No.6742
>>6741I feel this. The characters I love the most are either tops or switch depending on the pairing and sometimes it works with the same pairing. I usually love both characters the same but when I write I noticed that I usually write from the top's PoV. Maybe because I have more to explore writing from the perspective of the more active member of the relationship, but that might be related to the types of ships I am into. The bottoms are more reserved or workaholic, so it's fun writing the guy that tries to initiate something.
In the end it doesn't matter, both parts are great and good to be explored, I don't understand the people that obsess over the bottom only and honestly considering that most of those I know are obsessed with tranny shit and feminization I feel like it's just a weird form of self-insertion or a strange fetish that makes them want to turn the guy they like into themselves for some reason.
No.6743
>>6644>I think you, like a lot of people, forget that fujoshi were born out of making shit up about their favorite boys in anime and manga who didn't have any romance. The biggest example was God Mars and then Gundam but the boom was around the 80's with Captain Tsubasa and Saint Seiya. Ok but this is the 80 anymore. It's been 50 years, who gives a shit? BL used to be retarded rape plots and yaoi hands, guess what things evolve.
No.6744
>>6714What fandom?
>>6738Again whhhat fandom?
No.6746
Just the last days I witnessed multiple dogpilings/harassment campaigns/generally shitty behavior against Asian artists coming from western antis on twitter and it makes me angry. One of them apparently tried to force some artist to "accept Jesus" for drawing horror, similar other users attacked multiple artists for shipping the Arcane sisters and drawing awesome art of them and another asshole made someone delete their account after accusing them of using AI (they clearly didn't and the pic in question doesn't even remotely look like it).
Sometimes I am embarrassed to share the language with such people and almost wish I could just pretend to be from Uzbekistan or something. Why can't some people just stay in their lane and accept that the internet is for everybody? Why are certain nations (it's basically always the US) so obsessed with controlling what others like and take harmless fiction so damn seriously?
It's not fujo related in this case, but it bleeds into our fandoms. I had Asians getting cautious at first when I joined new fandoms for posting in English because it's shit like this that makes everybody suspicious of you and afraid that you might be an antitard.
I wish my fandom had more western fans because I want fics and a bigger fanbase, but I guess that not having them means you are safe from this sort of drama at least. I am an artist myself so I am always lowkey hesitant when I post something porny or potentially problematic when I draw for fandoms with bigger western audience.
No.6748
>>6746genuinely dont understand antis, like has depicting something "problematic" ever affected anyone negatively? most antis are prob pretty young but i really dont see why they always try to make up problems where there are none
i mean cmon someone drawing incest or toxic stuff never affected anybody
people need to learn to differenciate fiction from reality
No.6749
>>6746I want to interact with asian artists so bad but end up just giving 1 word praise and a reaction image because if I speak too much English I think they'll think I'm retarded.
>>6748Antis are generally children.
The world view of a child is VERY small. If you have religious parents and not many opposing viewpoints, you will grow up to think that's how everyone is. And people who aren't like you are bad because mommy didn't tell you how to handle opinions. Even when you're 23, this world view just carries the longer you shelter someone from thinking any way that is not 'safe'
Think of it like this.
I———- (this is where their worldview ends) —————————————————————————————————————————————————————- (x100)I ←- And this is the scope outside their classrooms. It's the Earth compared to Uranus in size really. Just classroom to real life.
No.6753
>>6748I think they are the exact same breed as the satanic panic karens from the US and similar crazies. They legit cannot tell fiction apart from reality and think it would massively influence the latter so shipping brothers or something is like doing that in reality. Though even THEN I think it's exaggerated considered that siblings of the same gender won't procreate. Cannot relate because I don't even have siblings but in the end it's just whatever.
>>6749I see a lot of antis in their early 20s. But what I noticed is that US Americans raise their kids veeeeery differently and shelter them like crazy. I talked to US MEN that told me they were never allowed to be alone with friends as a kid, the parents where always nearby watching them. Imagine living like this. I am not surprised at all that they at like 6 year olds in their 20s and it's even worse with women.
Now imagine that the household they grew up in also controlled what they watched so they didn't even watch a good psycho thriller as kid. They become teens and sheltered like princesses and suddenly they go online with 22 and realise that people out there are normal and enjoy things that would have made their parents smash their PC had they ever witnessed them watching it.
No.6754
I hate bringing it up because others have already discussed it but dear god I am starting to hate yuri fags in fujo spaces for how aggressively they shill their shit in fandom spaces that are explicitly about m/m ships or sausage fest series.
Look I don't even hate yuri. I prefer it over het and some series I was/am a big fan of (like Madoka) are yuri. But I don't bring it up in yaoi spaces. There are two series I can only discuss in discords and said discords are even free of trannies and teens. And yet it's crickets when an artists posts fanart of canon characters or discusses canon. But then someone posts genderbending shit and the place goes apeshit.
"THEY'RE SO GAY!!!!!!", "PROTECT", "WOMEEEEEN", "aaaahh women.." "crashes through door LESBIAN HF [character]?!?!?!?!". Suddenly they are gay and awesome and I am shady for not joining the hype and caring.
Everytime I try imagining the opposite happening in a yuri server I get angry. Can you imagine the outrage? If I posted fucking dudes and naked guys in a yuri server because it's just "genderbending"? You would get a warning and be kicked and the rest would seethe and call your shit disgusting or something.
What baffles me is that I seem to be the absolute majority. What the fuck happened, is it tiktok? The most coomerish female person I ever met is a 14 old teen who genderbends every character and makes me feel odd as shit for openly talking about cow tits and her many ex-gfs and then she shows everybody videos of half-naked tiktok women (who are probably underaged as well) and says claims it's feminism or something like wtf kid, calm down. She says herself that she "was raised on tiktok" so I legit believe that this shit is damaging people.
Someone already said it but besides being pissed for losing all my BL spaces I also believe that something is deeply wrong when people associate sexuality itself with femininity. Men aren't seen as sexual, men cannot be sexual. If you want your yaoi dudes in a sexy situation they will be drawn as women because "woman = sex".
It pisses me off but I cannot even talk about it because I get called out for disliking lesbians and the better a person is the more lesbian she is and getting aroused by 2D men means you are conservative.
No.6755
>>6754>And yet it's crickets when an artists posts fanart of canon characters or discusses canon. But then someone posts genderbending shit and the place goes apeshit. I wonder if it's just performative reactions then? If you're in a discord server dedicated to a certain series then it'd be weird to be completely uninterested in the canon. I think those people just have over-exaggerated reactions because genderbends are one-offs, easy to engage with, and don't require much thought, as you said all they do is say shit like "WAHH WOMEN". It's similar to how some fans don't really care about female characters beyond posting "step on me queen" "girlboss" tweets here and there. I like yuribends myself but I understand people who don't care for it, used to tag/warn for it so people could filter it out.
People's lack of engagement in long-form discussion or anything beyond memespeak I attribute to the move to Twitter/Tiktok. Because of the character count and Tiktok not being discussion-based, people are now used to just posting one-liners and that's it. It also goes back to the idea of headcanons/AUs/whatever being more easier to interact with (just turn off your brain), I honestly think some people are just involved in fandoms for the social aspect, not because they care much about the characters or series themselves, so maybe that's why it's crickets in the servers you're in.
No.6758
>>6755It's most likely a combination of the things you mentioned. I noticed that they lose interest quickly but aren't really aware of it or can't get into new things either so they turn the series they are still attached to yuri and scream about lesbian porn and all that.
Maybe they also get influenced by meme culture and tiktok because one of the most aggressive yuri shillers I know is a woman in her early 30s and she was a perfectly normal fujo up till a year ago or two. I think it all started with GWitch memes. I don't even know why that discord still exists since yuri VNs and moe anime are literally the only thing they still talk about. I will leave I guess, but I witnessed this happening in almost all fujo fanspaces the last years.
The other thing I notices is that it's always combined with coomer shit. They just can't like it normally, it's either non-characters like genderbent shit with so similarity to canon or, if it's a canon female character, it's the "step on me", "girlboss", cowtit shit.
I have no issue with genderbending per se even, just if it's all that people still post in the fanart channel of a fan space for BL content.
>I honestly think some people are just involved in fandoms for the social aspectProbably yeah. I wish it wasn't so hard to find genuine fans. Like headcanoning is so much fun but I lose interest if there is no base for the headcanons. Like they attribute behavior to characters that is diametrically opposed to everything they do and say in canon (trans stuff is just one of many common headcanons that make no sense).
No.6759
>>6754As a lesbian fujo I fight these types all the time kek. Usually they're very young (under 23) and raised on the internet thinking that being attracted to women means you have to act like a pornsick moid about it, constantly talking about women in a degrading, oversexualized fashion or else you're not a true lesbian. You HAVE to talk on main about how you want mommy's strap and scream about how sexy your half naked gacha waifu #1234 is. Interestingly enough as they age they're prone to trooning out so you can come to your own conclusions about their internalized gender roles and what being female represents to them.
>I also believe that something is deeply wrong when people associate sexuality itself with femininity.Exactly. These people are conditioned by the male spaces around them into thinking that female equals putting up a constant sexy performance specifically highlighting traits that men find attractive.
No.6760
>>6759?These people are conditioned by the male spaces around them into thinking that female equals putting up a constant sexy performance specifically highlighting traits that men find attractive.
I just linked a friend the Family Guy Jean De'Arc clip and it's relevant here. I was explaining to him how girlboss media looks to women and how annoying it is to see a push for characters like that from people who think it's good representation. But acting like a pornsick C.O.D. player is still a relevant act. But it's Fortnite and Destiny.
No.6762
>>6761Many copies up on Piratebay nonna though I think it's worth owning. That being said yes! Great movie and you can't beat guys in suits. I wish Orange/White for life.
No.6763
>>6754>new post in the NSFW art channel of a server dedicated to a series with no female characters>oh it's scissoring>again.>for the third time in a week.I miss when there were any men posted. Some of this art is genuinely gross, like saggy skin disease tier and with really fat lips and puffy eyes.
100% agree on the sexual = female critique. I was thinking about it the other day, how there just isn't an equivalent of sexualized male characters or methods of fanservice that's standard in media industries. Only homoerotic gags that go Eiken tier on it, but even Eiken has genuine appeal for big tit fans and wasn't plastered with gross crossdresser stereotypes, like for example the guild master in the Behemoth isekai airing right now. I go to BL spaces because fangirls
make male fanservice happen and create a zone where appealing sexualization of men exists without the sudden whiplash of deliberate gross out "eeeww no homo" okama stuff. I'm in another server where the lesbian users post in NSFW every day, and you know what they post about? Dudes taking it in the ass and begging for mercy. They have endless fantasies and links for dick in hole and every other orifice. There's no "they're gay" declarations or just shouting single gendered words, but actual dirty talk and expanding on what they're looking at. Sometimes they share genderbend porn, and unlike other servers it doesn't stand out at all, because it's just as horny as their usual shares and inspires the same discussion. What wonders we can achieve when people are actually into their pornography and respect the spaces for it.
Also is it just me or do mature lesbians use "girlie" instead of "women" more often? I swear they talk like they plan to dom the genderbend far more, whereas the performative sounding ones are almost afraid to prey on them. "Step on me mommy" mentality VS "I'm going to make her squeal until she pisses", I know which one sounds more invested.
>>6755If headcanons and AUs are easy to interact with then they could at least respond to my 2800 word dossier I typed in the chat, good lord. I have to wait weeks for someone to reply sometimes, if I haven't been drowned out by other people talking. My HCs might be too tame by current standards.
>>6761Easy movie to get a good copy of secondhand on ebay if you want. People buy it to see The Thing People Talk About and then don't rewatch and get rid of it. Hell, if you're getting off to it you might as well have a permanent copy nobody can claw away from you.
No.6764
>>6754I'm noticing it's expected for women to be chill with sexy booba women, yuri, or things that appeal to men. Fandom women will performatively hype up yuri or comment the whole "step on me mommy women sexy" thing. There's also the whole cool girl phenomenon where women will try to get male approval. Additionally there's moralspergs who think that the lack of fictional women is sexism.
Men don't like objectified men in their media and are openly disgusted by yaoi in contrast.
I don't get why fujos have some weird expectation to tolerate or even promote yuri either. I saw a thread on Aarinfantasy 3 years ago iirc with someone asking about possibility of the site being "more inclusive" when it came to content. Thankfully everyone else in the thread shut it down.
No.6765
>>6764>I saw a thread on Aarinfantasy 3 years ago iirc with someone asking about possibility of the site being "more inclusive" when it came to contentIt's really only women that do this to their own spaces, it's pathetic honestly. You'll never see men talking about how there should be more homoshit in their spaces because there's not enough open-mindedness or representation because they just let their circles be focused on what they like instead of catering to the Twitter warriors in their head.
No.6766
>>6764>I don't get why fujos have some weird expectation to tolerate or even promote yuri either. A lot of normies and tourists don't see yaoi and yuri as their own genres but as some sort of "LGBTQABCD+" representation genre so they expect yaoi fans to also be into yuri just because they're both about gay relationships. The issue is that these misconceptions have spread all over the internet these past years so younger fans don't know anything about yaoi or yuri fandoms at all and have false expectations on how fujoshi should act. Men are quicker to tell other to fuck off and we need to be more like them, but instead we have virtue signaling fakejoshi agreeing with the normies I talked about and annoying the fuck out of normal fujoshi who don't like yuri.
No.6769
>>6766You're absolutely right anon. It's the alphabet-soupification of yaoi and yuri from normies that caused this. Before normies and gendies, they were separate that only overlapped if the author or artist truly wanted to include such material into their work. It came out of sincerity and not forced. Now that the normies and gendies came by, they're trying to force the genres to become a social/civil rights movement when it was never intended to be so. And because Bl is a woman's interest, they bully the women into adding yuri, het, or trans shit because women are easier targets.
No.6770
>>6769I liked Black Butler Grell more when he was a mentally ill okama with a boner for Sebastian. Not some tranny mascot.
No.6771
>>6759>raised on the internet You are right and it makes me so fucking tired. I realised that I don't get along with anybody like that. It's ironic because the net was a big fucking part of my teenage and early tweens but apparently the effects from reading forums and browsing fics, fanart and assets for your RPG maker game are different from the ones you witnessed with people that grew up on social media in particular. Especially during the age of smartphones when it became a social thing to be terminally online.
>scream about how sexy your half naked gacha waifu #1234 isEven some online friends in their late 20s are doing this now and it makes me insane. And you are right. Almost all of them eventually troon out. The latest victim is a long-time friend and former 4channer who is in her early 30s now. First she enjoyed shit like Kaiji and Bebop. Then she became obsessed with moe after K-On, then she adapted coomer language and after she got addicted to instagram she was lost.
Eventually, she bragged with being a "real man" for liking coomer shit, she's now obsessed with Maid Dragon and claims to be trans.
No.6772
>>6766>don't see yaoi and yuri as their own genres but as some sort of "LGBTQABCD+" representation genreDidn't think about this before but this makes a lot of sense. The 4channers that bitched about LGBT media were right after all I guess. You are onto yaoi for sexual reasons (or whatever other personal reason) but are expected to be into it for wokeness. I am actually pretty progressive IRL, but this isn't relevant to my interests in media. It's like expecting every guest in a restaurant to be vegan for environmental reasons and serving them vegetables when they ordered a steak. And hell I like steaks, but the argument about the environment makes at least sense in a way, fiction is completely detached from reality and I just want to enjoy my gayshit in peace but can't because everybody invades my fanspaces to shill trans shit and lesbians to me. Can these people even enjoy things genuinely? Like, for non-political reasons?
No.6773
Not to be that nonna, but I just can't relate to this complaint about sjws, ect in fujo spaces. I don't encounter these people at all and I've never been hated for being into yaoi. Idk it's just such a non-issue from my experience and it's weird that it seems to be a pertinent issue for so many people here. Like besises the occasional cuntboy fic before I apply my filters it feel like this fantasical movie baddie who is only ever in the shadows.
No.6774
>>6766LGBT fiction and BL/yuri have always been starkly divided in my mind but for a lot of people now (probably raised on tumblr or tiktok), the line is weirdly blurred. You get western BL stuff like VNs categorized under LGBT and even the most unrealistic fantasy BL is talked about in terms of LGBT 'rep'. I think people who have grown up in the fujo bubble don't realise that novels and TV intended as representation of the real life LGBT experience exist, but your average aiden is only aware of the BL made by women (or 'not-women'), so they whine that gay fiction is dominated by women when if they look outside that bubble, most of the authors will probably be gay men.
But then, your average aiden can't relate to the life experience of actual gay men so they have no interest in that media. They harassed the shit out of that BL webcomic made by a ftm though so I don't know what they actually want. Maybe they want all BL media to be Heartstopper (and the boys should be trans) except written by men, which is never going to happen.
It's also so telling how discussions of specifically gay or lesbian stuff now become about trans people so quickly.
No.6775
>>6773Get into a fandom where one of the popular pairings is adult/minor, like MP100, and that'll change pretty quick, or just something stupidly popular like Genshin. It really depends on the fandom you're in and the concentration of wankers in it.
It also depends on how often and where you interact with people.
No.6776
>>6774>They harassed the shit out of that BL webcomic made by a ftm though so I don't know what they actually want.They always want and demand super safe fluff BL but never actually like or watch this if it's made. Can guarantee you that none of them has ever read Heartstopper.
Further, they also want yaoi but only draw genderbending or transwashed characters, in other words women, once they join the fandom.
None of their actions make sense unless you assume that they simply don't give a shit about BL on principle and never did. They only join fujo fandoms because fujo fandoms are the only ones that are active and creating a flood of art and fanfics.
No.6777
>>6773There are some rare fandoms that are free of it, like Golden Kamuy and Bravern. If I searched I would most likely find it but it never happened to me that I ever stumbled upon it casually. Some series just filter trannies and wokeoids hard and I might sound stupid saying it but I feel like masculinity works as the best deterrent. So the safest series are about adult men + military or something equaling military, like templars or whatever.
I have a friend who likes samurai shit and she never sees that stuff either.
So unless your favorite series is either something like this or a series that is only popular in Japan you must be an exception and very lucky. It's usually those genres that filter the trash and big Japanese fanbases always help as well because Japanese actually draw series that they like, opposed to get into a fandom to be the missionary.
No.6778
>>6776>Further, they also want yaoi but only draw genderbending or transwashed characters, in other words women, once they join the fandom.It's because they're stupid ass self-inserters trying to forcefeed normal fujos into their fucking self-insertion agenda except they put a sharpie over it and relabel it as "trans rights." Self-insertion is a BLIGHT on everything fandom and fujo related
No.6780
>>6773Consider yourself lucky. I don't think I've been in a single fandom without those types of people making up the majority. If I want to avoid them I have to stick to imageboards.
No.6781
>>6773I'd say a lot of it is on the Discord side of things (shocker) and generally teen circles (shocker again), and it's pretty easy to encounter if you check out very hip fandoms (Webtoon BLs, baby's first shounen anime, K-pop, gacha, etc)
Since those spaces operate exactly how you'd expect, I'm not really sure how nonnas can even try to hang out in them, they're always a powder keg
Tbh I feel that a lot of /ffs/ discourse is overstated, but with how volatile the interactions can be it makes sense
No.6782
>>6776Not only this but if their pronoun idol makes something they dislike it's responded to with WE DON'T CLAIM THEM.
There's so much actual LGBT positive work that they just ignore because it's not something they can complain about. Wonder Egg has a trans girl episode with the actual flag colors in her scene and the only celebration is on some literal who's review article.
They don't want representation, they want more things to complain about.
See Netflix cancelling any and all pander shows because nobody cares.
>>6777Masculine focus helps tons like Mortal Kombat. Hell Metal Gear series was one of the most dudebro loved titles despite blatant seme uke tier characterization. Yeah Kojima inserts his waifus but it's like the gay fanservice just didn't ping on the mainstream radar until the obsessive kiss of 4
No.6783
>>6779This pisses me off as well yeah. They are goddamned trend addicts that would never watch anything their IG/Tiktok peers wouldn't shill. I recommended .hack SIGN and others 1000 times to them because it's series I love. .hack has canon surprise lesbian MCs, indirectly thematized gender change since MC is a girl trapped in the virtual body of a boy, it thematizes bullying and mental illness and lots of other things but no viral influencer talks about it so they don't care. Can't earn woke points watching this.ö
Actually, they're so obsessed with allegedly moral online trends that I believe they would be the first ones hissing the nazi flag if nazis were just mainstream enough IRL or their respective online platform to shape the narrative and if the alt-right was less retarded and pathetic and more like their historical idols.
>>6768tbh what does "pro-fiction" even mean? That you enjoy fiction? So like everybody else or is this a new label? And pet owner is now "animal caretaker" I assume to make her life sound harder.
No.6784
>>6783>tbh what does "pro-fiction" even mean? Pro- for/with/in support of
Fiction
"I support and am with fiction as fiction."
Same with proship.
"I am for and in support of shipping in fiction."
No.6785
>>6780The worst is that it spills over to all other countries and cultures as long as a person is young and ended up being phone addicted.
I have met a bunch of younger fujos from Thailand, Korea, Mexico and Brazil in recent years and to my horror they were just as bad as US fans regarding troonwashing and girlifying, JKfication and however you call it when you turn a non-sexualized dude into an oversexualized girl.
It's Japan, China and Russia that are basically free of it. Though I heard that troonifying was already an issue in China, but for the ones that post on twitter at least I didn't notice it so far.
No.6786
>>6785China's got a cuntboy standard. I think someone explained it ITT or another in how it's hard baked into culture and language. But if there's a m/m pairing, someone MUST be the wife. They don't view them as two men, but a man and another male who has a female role as the bottom.
It's especially bad for FF7 because Bottom Sephiroth is hugely popular with Chinese fujos. So he almost exclusively is given a vagina as is Cloud. I don't even interact with the Chinese fandom anymore because I'll take sporadic Japanese tweets over actual nonstop PIV sex.
No.6787
>>6776>Further, they also want yaoi but only draw genderbending or transwashed characters, in other words women, once they join the fandom.I think that when they get fellow shippers praising and liking their work, it probably feels like validation for their own identity. Look at all these people who accept that my headcanon version of these characters are Real! In the end, it's not about the characters. It's about their ego. That validation they feel is probably addictive for them. That's probably the core of what makes me want to avoid any fan like this. I don't want to interact with your gender baggage. I just want to have fun.
No.6788
>>6784So it means that they enjoy all kinds of fiction, even "problematic" stories? I am honestly losing track of all these neologism, tiktok terms and labels lol.
I recently had some tiktok addict from the same fandom talk to me and I genuinely couldn't understand half of the shit she said. I eventually had to ghost her because it was getting embarrassing to ask about every third word she uses (most weren't googleable or had np clear definition on urban dict.) and it made me feel like I was 60 instead of 30.
No.6789
>>6782It always makes me curious on why they're 100x more critical towards people that overtly pander to them (Boyfriends author, Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, etc.) but then have no issue liking works from people who are even worse and don't care about representation shit. Like you'll have people complaining about rep and then their entire account is dedicated to Fatlus games which has icky underage sexualization and homophobic/transphobic gags but stuff like Hazbin Hotel is "irredeemable" or whatever. It's the same situation with these tards still sticking to Genshin after all these years for black/brown characters when Hoyo doesn't give a shit.
I agree that these people don't actually care about representation too, they just want their microlabels reflected in the things they personally like.
>>6785Somehow Japan is the most free from this, I don't know why. You have your Shirahama's and Uchikoshi's here and there but I wouldn't consider them SJWs, just very Western politics brainrotted without the moralsperging.
No.6790
>>6789>It always makes me curious on why they're 100x more critical towards people that overtly pander to them (Boyfriends author, Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, etc.)1. Because they're women
2. They feel "empowered" to complain because the panderers should "know better."
No.6791
>>6789>Somehow Japan is the most free from this, I don't know why.It might be because hetbend is so popular. I have run into cuntboy exactly once and it was just as a kink, there's also the occasional futa, however, hetbend is everywhere, or just normal genderbend where x manly husbando is now a moe girl in a cow bikini.
No.6792
>>6790>1. Because they're womenYou should have ended that sentence with "so they should know better". Women are always expected to cape for everyone and everything out of empathy because we go through a lot of horrible things just by being women instead of being self-indulgent, not just when reading or writing fictional stories but in most aspects of their lives. So it's always that same argument, men are known to be degenerates so they can do whatever they want and will at most be told to stop being like that or they'll be avoided entirely without being told anything, women will be made an example of because "you of all people should have known better than to draw a little bit of fanservice!"
No.6793
>>6791I'd take hetbend over cuntboytrash any day because at least I don't have to get jumpscared by PIV.
No.6794
>>6787I want to go back to a time when internet and clicks didn't define the life of people.
Seeing the allegedly interesting/funny/bizarre posts some people I know are showing me makes me cringe so hard. Everything about it is soo.. fake? It's all so very obviously staged shit, artificial, AI shit, edited videos and unnatural behavior to force engagement and they BELIEVE IT and take everything at face value I feel like I am losing my mind.
What fucks me up the most is that this brain disease isn't limited to zoomers. It happens to everybody once they start using certain platforms for too many hours per day, namely facebook, instagram, telegram and tiktok. The only difference is that they turn into different types of zombies.
I feel encircled by actual tinfoil hats, shizo trannies, clout addicted attention whores (male + female), nazi LARPers and bipolar anime kinners and image boards and some Japanese fans on twitter aside I ended up ignoring other internet users as best as I can because I feel like it effects most people in a similar way as drugs but with more drama involved.
No.6795
>>6793I would also rather everybody was writing hetbend instead of transfic because at least it would be so much easier to filter it. It would be as easy as just excluding F/M from search, and that's exactly what I can do on pixiv because people always tag for genderbend.
No.6796
>>6792It's not just a matter of "they should know better" but because most of the critics (who tend to be female) feel more comfortable viciously attacking a woman because they are perceived to be weaker/safer to dismantle. It's the very reason why they avoid attacking coomer moids who indulge in loli and other degenerate material and instead target some woman in the 18-30s range living in the American midwest for drawing two fictional men kissing "the wrong way."
No.6797
>>6795Back in the old days that's what people used to do. But ever since the gendies took over and labeled rule 63 as transphobic and not heckin' inclusive, it's dwindled in practice even though the writer/artist is craving so badly to make it het because they're stealth self-inserters.
The real self-insert yume stacies were the ones that wrote a Mary Sue OC and didn't give a fuck at the people screeching in their comments about MUH MARY SUE. Making a canon character change gender in order to ship them with another dude was the self-inserter's cope
No.6798
>>6789>100x more critical towards people that overtly pander to them (Boyfriends author, Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, etc.)God the hatred is unreal. It annoys me and I am not even in any of those fandoms. I enjoyed SU and like HH/HB but don't care enough to look at art or engage otherwise but dear god, wokes hate those series more than actual neonazis.
And it's always the people that pander to them. The only theories I can come up with is that it's either envy because one of "them" made it and became successful but apparently not them or that they are all very, very conservative but in denial. And you know that denial fags are usually more obsessed with what they hate. An actual rightwinger will maybe make a few shitposts but otherwise ignore woke series and enjoy what they like. A fundie in woke disguise feels like they HAVE To like it to "pass" as woke, but they hate it because they are the opposite. So this creates a serious internal conflict and since they can't admit what they really think it must be the fault of the other fans or the creator.
No.6799
>>6791I strangely(?) never encountered hetbending among the works of Japanese fans for the fandoms I am in. Westerners do it with every series and type of man. They would even turn Hulk into a tranny or woman. Or womanify him. I am not sure how to call that phenomenon but it annoys me as much as hetbending.
I mean when characters are still seen as male but drawn like women. Not tits or so but they turn muscular dudes into skinny lady-like characters that assume female poses and wear skirts.
It's soooo prevalent I see it even way more often than cuntboy/tranny stuff or genderbending and I hate it.
No.6800
I'm glad we're talking about this topic because I'm sick of seeing yuri and genderbend in BL spaces. You will never see this in male-dominated fandoms. In fact, genderbending in male-dominated fandoms consists of turning male characters into female for the coom, but you will never see female characters being turned into men because that'll piss the moids off. Meanwhile, BL spaces have to deal with male characters being turned into women because gendies want to act all performative about how much they love women and yuri.
Gendies will enter BL spaces and then talk about how yuri is so much better and how the male characters should've been written as women instead. I've noticed a lot of them are desperate to come off as feminist and progressive. They don't want to be seen as boring straight girls who like BL and men for the coom. They want to be seen as queer and quirky, which is why they overcompensate by talking about how much they love women and female characters despite only being in BL fandoms and having M/M ships. Ask them what yuri ships/fandoms they actually like and they'll only be able to answer with Madoka, Utena, or Alien Stage kek.
I hate how good artists in my fandom, who aren't necessarily gendies, have fallen for the genderbend and yuri meme, mostly because it's what gets them praise and validation in these spaces. The only vindication I get is in knowing that these gendies will never create anything of value or worth. They don't actually care about the characters, but instead use them as props for their performative online activism.
No.6801
>>6800In good faith I'll assume for some of these people that they're lesbians who are into BL because they aren't getting the type of yuri they want, because I can relate to that myself. I'm still more fujo than himejo but I my taste in BL dynamics is the same as my taste in yuri dynamics and I rarely ever see that kind of yuri that appeals to me, rivals, enemyships, villain/hero etc. I usually enjoy my BL ships genderbent into yuri as well. But anyone with this problem needs to own up to that and go create the shit they want instead of making it fujo fandom's problem.
No.6802
>>6800I'm sorry nonna, I'm one of those spergs who genderbends all my ships into yuri kek. I share similar complaints though, sometimes it seems like they only do it as some "own" to fujos especially if they're commenting about how the genderbend version is better. I also don't understand what people you're surrounded with where they'll openly disparage yaoi while being in BL spaces, it's not like they're being held at gunpoint there; they obviously like BL enough to be in a community revolved around it so it's just obnoxious virtue signalling.
It also reminds me of the conversation ITT earlier about yaoi/yuri not being seen as distinct genres but twin categories where one must come with the other for gendies people. If you like a yaoi pairing some people expect you to be fine with the genderbend versions for whatever reason (I've seen this argument not just for F/F bends but M/F ones).
No.6803
>>6801>>6802kek it's okay nonas, I forgive you.
I think for me, what annoys me is how they act like yuri is inherently better than yaoi in all aspects, just because one has women in it and the other doesn't. I don't care if they like yuri and want to see more of it; I know that it's hard to find good yuri content that isn't male-gazey. But it's stupid to act like genderbending a BL ship automatically turns it from boring to interesting, when it's supposedly the same characters with the same personalities and dynamics. It's just putting down BL for no reason in a space that's meant to be for BL first and foremost. Not to mention whenever they genderbend the characters, they just turn them into their OCs rather than keeping the integrity of the characters.
No.6804
I don't even see genderbending that often and when I do it usually happens in half-dead fandoms where shippers can't think of anything else to draw anymore.
What I encounter more regularly is the girlification some nonnas mentioned before (the characters are still cis male, but they're depicted as frail and drawn with a different bodytype, female poses and female clothes) and the tumblrfication, for a lack of a better word. So artists with an obvious western style so utterly unfit for the series that their art pieces barely bear any resemblances to the characters anymore.
Some Japanese artist draw stylized art but it usually looks pretty and I can tell it's the characters I love. The tumblrfication will make fans redraw handsome anime dudes with Family Guy bodytypes, or make them fat in general, give them ugly noses (and I am usually a big nose enjoyer), ugly skin and so on you know the drill. This shit pisses me off because I feel like those fans are deliberately changing the look of the characters to make them something of their own and I hate it.
Human versions of non-human characters are part of this (and yes most of those versions make the characters fat, trans and black).
No.6806
>>6773 Final fantasy 14 and Black butler are my primary fandoms right now and it's all over their western fan spaces. Sounds like you're in fandoms where it's just less of a thing.
No.6808
>>6748Antis make more sense when you realize it's a form of bonding and nothing brings people together than hate. Much like how people here use lolcow, for antis it's the same. It's no different than the anti Mary Sue communities that used to exist.
No.6812
>>6785Are you really surprised about people in thailand making characters trans when they're known for ladyboys? I'm sure even a teen without a phone could come to that artistic conclusion
No.6818
>>6812I have no idea how ubiquitous that ladyboy stuff is I was never in Thailand. I assumed it was just a subculture in some of the big cities. Considering how obsessed other countries are with tranny stuff I wouldn't necessarily link it with each other. I think crap like tiktok and exposition to US shit has a bigger influence. The people in question are all socmedia addicted.
No.6821
>>6818I think the real genderbending men you encounter in real life, or hear about friends or family encountering as a bigger influence than whatever the internet throws at you, but I don't have any reason to argue or defend why this would be so I guess we'll just disagree lol
No.6822
some jp artists on twitter go absolutely hog wild with deleting and reuploading their art, locking and unlocking their accounts, making new accounts… what in the schizo fuck is this, I just want to like and retweet doodles of anime boys kissing without wondering if the tweet will still be there tomorrow
No.6825
>>6822I rarely ever experienced the deletion but what's up with the temporary locking most of them are doing? I follow all the artists so I still see what they post and don't bother, but none of them ever explain WHY they lock their account and it never lasts long. Few days or at best few weeks later they unlock it again. What causes this mystery?
>without wondering if the tweet will still be there tomorrowWhy wouldn't you save everything you like? If it's not important enough to save it's not important enough to be searched for on twitter and it's harder to do than to just open the fanart folder for that series anyway.
No.6826
>>6822i’ll never understand this either. sometimes i feel genuine sadness over how much art ends up lost this way, and i end up neurotically hoarding any and all art that i like even a little bit. this is always why i’m biased towards artists who also post logs of their stuff on pixiv (which is by no means immune to deletion, but at the very least it’s a lot more convenient to save everything there than on twitter imo).
No.6830
guys im so sad i cant read any fics of my otp because everything that gets upload is written by tifs trooning out one of the characters. real fujos are disappearing it seems rip