/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>6761
Many copies up on Piratebay nonna though I think it's worth owning. That being said yes! Great movie and you can't beat guys in suits. I wish Orange/White for life.

>>6754
>new post in the NSFW art channel of a server dedicated to a series with no female characters
>oh it's scissoring
>again.
>for the third time in a week.
I miss when there were any men posted. Some of this art is genuinely gross, like saggy skin disease tier and with really fat lips and puffy eyes.

100% agree on the sexual = female critique. I was thinking about it the other day, how there just isn't an equivalent of sexualized male characters or methods of fanservice that's standard in media industries. Only homoerotic gags that go Eiken tier on it, but even Eiken has genuine appeal for big tit fans and wasn't plastered with gross crossdresser stereotypes, like for example the guild master in the Behemoth isekai airing right now. I go to BL spaces because fangirls make male fanservice happen and create a zone where appealing sexualization of men exists without the sudden whiplash of deliberate gross out "eeeww no homo" okama stuff. I'm in another server where the lesbian users post in NSFW every day, and you know what they post about? Dudes taking it in the ass and begging for mercy. They have endless fantasies and links for dick in hole and every other orifice. There's no "they're gay" declarations or just shouting single gendered words, but actual dirty talk and expanding on what they're looking at. Sometimes they share genderbend porn, and unlike other servers it doesn't stand out at all, because it's just as horny as their usual shares and inspires the same discussion. What wonders we can achieve when people are actually into their pornography and respect the spaces for it.

Also is it just me or do mature lesbians use "girlie" instead of "women" more often? I swear they talk like they plan to dom the genderbend far more, whereas the performative sounding ones are almost afraid to prey on them. "Step on me mommy" mentality VS "I'm going to make her squeal until she pisses", I know which one sounds more invested.

>>6755
If headcanons and AUs are easy to interact with then they could at least respond to my 2800 word dossier I typed in the chat, good lord. I have to wait weeks for someone to reply sometimes, if I haven't been drowned out by other people talking. My HCs might be too tame by current standards.

>>6761
Easy movie to get a good copy of secondhand on ebay if you want. People buy it to see The Thing People Talk About and then don't rewatch and get rid of it. Hell, if you're getting off to it you might as well have a permanent copy nobody can claw away from you.

>>6754
I'm noticing it's expected for women to be chill with sexy booba women, yuri, or things that appeal to men. Fandom women will performatively hype up yuri or comment the whole "step on me mommy women sexy" thing. There's also the whole cool girl phenomenon where women will try to get male approval. Additionally there's moralspergs who think that the lack of fictional women is sexism.

Men don't like objectified men in their media and are openly disgusted by yaoi in contrast.

I don't get why fujos have some weird expectation to tolerate or even promote yuri either. I saw a thread on Aarinfantasy 3 years ago iirc with someone asking about possibility of the site being "more inclusive" when it came to content. Thankfully everyone else in the thread shut it down.

>>6764
>I saw a thread on Aarinfantasy 3 years ago iirc with someone asking about possibility of the site being "more inclusive" when it came to content
It's really only women that do this to their own spaces, it's pathetic honestly. You'll never see men talking about how there should be more homoshit in their spaces because there's not enough open-mindedness or representation because they just let their circles be focused on what they like instead of catering to the Twitter warriors in their head.

>>6764
>I don't get why fujos have some weird expectation to tolerate or even promote yuri either.
A lot of normies and tourists don't see yaoi and yuri as their own genres but as some sort of "LGBTQABCD+" representation genre so they expect yaoi fans to also be into yuri just because they're both about gay relationships. The issue is that these misconceptions have spread all over the internet these past years so younger fans don't know anything about yaoi or yuri fandoms at all and have false expectations on how fujoshi should act. Men are quicker to tell other to fuck off and we need to be more like them, but instead we have virtue signaling fakejoshi agreeing with the normies I talked about and annoying the fuck out of normal fujoshi who don't like yuri.

>This art that someone shared is pretty hot but wait a second, where is the bottom's dick? That area is obscured.
>Look at artist's profile.
Spoiler: It's not BL.

>>6766
You're absolutely right anon. It's the alphabet-soupification of yaoi and yuri from normies that caused this. Before normies and gendies, they were separate that only overlapped if the author or artist truly wanted to include such material into their work. It came out of sincerity and not forced. Now that the normies and gendies came by, they're trying to force the genres to become a social/civil rights movement when it was never intended to be so. And because Bl is a woman's interest, they bully the women into adding yuri, het, or trans shit because women are easier targets.

>>6769
I liked Black Butler Grell more when he was a mentally ill okama with a boner for Sebastian. Not some tranny mascot.

>>6759
>raised on the internet
You are right and it makes me so fucking tired. I realised that I don't get along with anybody like that. It's ironic because the net was a big fucking part of my teenage and early tweens but apparently the effects from reading forums and browsing fics, fanart and assets for your RPG maker game are different from the ones you witnessed with people that grew up on social media in particular. Especially during the age of smartphones when it became a social thing to be terminally online.
>scream about how sexy your half naked gacha waifu #1234 is
Even some online friends in their late 20s are doing this now and it makes me insane. And you are right. Almost all of them eventually troon out. The latest victim is a long-time friend and former 4channer who is in her early 30s now. First she enjoyed shit like Kaiji and Bebop. Then she became obsessed with moe after K-On, then she adapted coomer language and after she got addicted to instagram she was lost.
Eventually, she bragged with being a "real man" for liking coomer shit, she's now obsessed with Maid Dragon and claims to be trans.

>>6766
>don't see yaoi and yuri as their own genres but as some sort of "LGBTQABCD+" representation genre
Didn't think about this before but this makes a lot of sense. The 4channers that bitched about LGBT media were right after all I guess. You are onto yaoi for sexual reasons (or whatever other personal reason) but are expected to be into it for wokeness. I am actually pretty progressive IRL, but this isn't relevant to my interests in media. It's like expecting every guest in a restaurant to be vegan for environmental reasons and serving them vegetables when they ordered a steak. And hell I like steaks, but the argument about the environment makes at least sense in a way, fiction is completely detached from reality and I just want to enjoy my gayshit in peace but can't because everybody invades my fanspaces to shill trans shit and lesbians to me. Can these people even enjoy things genuinely? Like, for non-political reasons?

Not to be that nonna, but I just can't relate to this complaint about sjws, ect in fujo spaces. I don't encounter these people at all and I've never been hated for being into yaoi. Idk it's just such a non-issue from my experience and it's weird that it seems to be a pertinent issue for so many people here. Like besises the occasional cuntboy fic before I apply my filters it feel like this fantasical movie baddie who is only ever in the shadows.

>>6766
LGBT fiction and BL/yuri have always been starkly divided in my mind but for a lot of people now (probably raised on tumblr or tiktok), the line is weirdly blurred. You get western BL stuff like VNs categorized under LGBT and even the most unrealistic fantasy BL is talked about in terms of LGBT 'rep'. I think people who have grown up in the fujo bubble don't realise that novels and TV intended as representation of the real life LGBT experience exist, but your average aiden is only aware of the BL made by women (or 'not-women'), so they whine that gay fiction is dominated by women when if they look outside that bubble, most of the authors will probably be gay men.
But then, your average aiden can't relate to the life experience of actual gay men so they have no interest in that media. They harassed the shit out of that BL webcomic made by a ftm though so I don't know what they actually want. Maybe they want all BL media to be Heartstopper (and the boys should be trans) except written by men, which is never going to happen.
It's also so telling how discussions of specifically gay or lesbian stuff now become about trans people so quickly.

>>6773
Get into a fandom where one of the popular pairings is adult/minor, like MP100, and that'll change pretty quick, or just something stupidly popular like Genshin. It really depends on the fandom you're in and the concentration of wankers in it.
It also depends on how often and where you interact with people.

>>6774
>They harassed the shit out of that BL webcomic made by a ftm though so I don't know what they actually want.
They always want and demand super safe fluff BL but never actually like or watch this if it's made. Can guarantee you that none of them has ever read Heartstopper.
Further, they also want yaoi but only draw genderbending or transwashed characters, in other words women, once they join the fandom.

None of their actions make sense unless you assume that they simply don't give a shit about BL on principle and never did. They only join fujo fandoms because fujo fandoms are the only ones that are active and creating a flood of art and fanfics.

>>6773
There are some rare fandoms that are free of it, like Golden Kamuy and Bravern. If I searched I would most likely find it but it never happened to me that I ever stumbled upon it casually. Some series just filter trannies and wokeoids hard and I might sound stupid saying it but I feel like masculinity works as the best deterrent. So the safest series are about adult men + military or something equaling military, like templars or whatever.

I have a friend who likes samurai shit and she never sees that stuff either.

So unless your favorite series is either something like this or a series that is only popular in Japan you must be an exception and very lucky. It's usually those genres that filter the trash and big Japanese fanbases always help as well because Japanese actually draw series that they like, opposed to get into a fandom to be the missionary.

>>6776
>Further, they also want yaoi but only draw genderbending or transwashed characters, in other words women, once they join the fandom.
It's because they're stupid ass self-inserters trying to forcefeed normal fujos into their fucking self-insertion agenda except they put a sharpie over it and relabel it as "trans rights." Self-insertion is a BLIGHT on everything fandom and fujo related

>>6773
Consider yourself lucky. I don't think I've been in a single fandom without those types of people making up the majority. If I want to avoid them I have to stick to imageboards.

>>6773
I'd say a lot of it is on the Discord side of things (shocker) and generally teen circles (shocker again), and it's pretty easy to encounter if you check out very hip fandoms (Webtoon BLs, baby's first shounen anime, K-pop, gacha, etc)
Since those spaces operate exactly how you'd expect, I'm not really sure how nonnas can even try to hang out in them, they're always a powder keg
Tbh I feel that a lot of /ffs/ discourse is overstated, but with how volatile the interactions can be it makes sense

>>6776
Not only this but if their pronoun idol makes something they dislike it's responded to with WE DON'T CLAIM THEM.

There's so much actual LGBT positive work that they just ignore because it's not something they can complain about. Wonder Egg has a trans girl episode with the actual flag colors in her scene and the only celebration is on some literal who's review article.

They don't want representation, they want more things to complain about.

See Netflix cancelling any and all pander shows because nobody cares.

>>6777
Masculine focus helps tons like Mortal Kombat. Hell Metal Gear series was one of the most dudebro loved titles despite blatant seme uke tier characterization. Yeah Kojima inserts his waifus but it's like the gay fanservice just didn't ping on the mainstream radar until the obsessive kiss of 4

>>6779
This pisses me off as well yeah. They are goddamned trend addicts that would never watch anything their IG/Tiktok peers wouldn't shill. I recommended .hack SIGN and others 1000 times to them because it's series I love. .hack has canon surprise lesbian MCs, indirectly thematized gender change since MC is a girl trapped in the virtual body of a boy, it thematizes bullying and mental illness and lots of other things but no viral influencer talks about it so they don't care. Can't earn woke points watching this.ö

Actually, they're so obsessed with allegedly moral online trends that I believe they would be the first ones hissing the nazi flag if nazis were just mainstream enough IRL or their respective online platform to shape the narrative and if the alt-right was less retarded and pathetic and more like their historical idols.
>>6768
tbh what does "pro-fiction" even mean? That you enjoy fiction? So like everybody else or is this a new label? And pet owner is now "animal caretaker" I assume to make her life sound harder.

>>6783
>tbh what does "pro-fiction" even mean?
Pro- for/with/in support of
Fiction

"I support and am with fiction as fiction."

Same with proship.

"I am for and in support of shipping in fiction."

>>6780
The worst is that it spills over to all other countries and cultures as long as a person is young and ended up being phone addicted.
I have met a bunch of younger fujos from Thailand, Korea, Mexico and Brazil in recent years and to my horror they were just as bad as US fans regarding troonwashing and girlifying, JKfication and however you call it when you turn a non-sexualized dude into an oversexualized girl.

It's Japan, China and Russia that are basically free of it. Though I heard that troonifying was already an issue in China, but for the ones that post on twitter at least I didn't notice it so far.

>>6785
China's got a cuntboy standard. I think someone explained it ITT or another in how it's hard baked into culture and language. But if there's a m/m pairing, someone MUST be the wife. They don't view them as two men, but a man and another male who has a female role as the bottom.

It's especially bad for FF7 because Bottom Sephiroth is hugely popular with Chinese fujos. So he almost exclusively is given a vagina as is Cloud. I don't even interact with the Chinese fandom anymore because I'll take sporadic Japanese tweets over actual nonstop PIV sex.

>>6776
>Further, they also want yaoi but only draw genderbending or transwashed characters, in other words women, once they join the fandom.
I think that when they get fellow shippers praising and liking their work, it probably feels like validation for their own identity. Look at all these people who accept that my headcanon version of these characters are Real! In the end, it's not about the characters. It's about their ego. That validation they feel is probably addictive for them. That's probably the core of what makes me want to avoid any fan like this. I don't want to interact with your gender baggage. I just want to have fun.

>>6784
So it means that they enjoy all kinds of fiction, even "problematic" stories? I am honestly losing track of all these neologism, tiktok terms and labels lol.
I recently had some tiktok addict from the same fandom talk to me and I genuinely couldn't understand half of the shit she said. I eventually had to ghost her because it was getting embarrassing to ask about every third word she uses (most weren't googleable or had np clear definition on urban dict.) and it made me feel like I was 60 instead of 30.

>>6782
It always makes me curious on why they're 100x more critical towards people that overtly pander to them (Boyfriends author, Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, etc.) but then have no issue liking works from people who are even worse and don't care about representation shit. Like you'll have people complaining about rep and then their entire account is dedicated to Fatlus games which has icky underage sexualization and homophobic/transphobic gags but stuff like Hazbin Hotel is "irredeemable" or whatever. It's the same situation with these tards still sticking to Genshin after all these years for black/brown characters when Hoyo doesn't give a shit.

I agree that these people don't actually care about representation too, they just want their microlabels reflected in the things they personally like.

>>6785
Somehow Japan is the most free from this, I don't know why. You have your Shirahama's and Uchikoshi's here and there but I wouldn't consider them SJWs, just very Western politics brainrotted without the moralsperging.

>>6789
>It always makes me curious on why they're 100x more critical towards people that overtly pander to them (Boyfriends author, Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, etc.)
1. Because they're women
2. They feel "empowered" to complain because the panderers should "know better."

>>6789
>Somehow Japan is the most free from this, I don't know why.
It might be because hetbend is so popular. I have run into cuntboy exactly once and it was just as a kink, there's also the occasional futa, however, hetbend is everywhere, or just normal genderbend where x manly husbando is now a moe girl in a cow bikini.

>>6790
>1. Because they're women
You should have ended that sentence with "so they should know better". Women are always expected to cape for everyone and everything out of empathy because we go through a lot of horrible things just by being women instead of being self-indulgent, not just when reading or writing fictional stories but in most aspects of their lives. So it's always that same argument, men are known to be degenerates so they can do whatever they want and will at most be told to stop being like that or they'll be avoided entirely without being told anything, women will be made an example of because "you of all people should have known better than to draw a little bit of fanservice!"

>>6791
I'd take hetbend over cuntboytrash any day because at least I don't have to get jumpscared by PIV.

>>6787
I want to go back to a time when internet and clicks didn't define the life of people.

Seeing the allegedly interesting/funny/bizarre posts some people I know are showing me makes me cringe so hard. Everything about it is soo.. fake? It's all so very obviously staged shit, artificial, AI shit, edited videos and unnatural behavior to force engagement and they BELIEVE IT and take everything at face value I feel like I am losing my mind.

What fucks me up the most is that this brain disease isn't limited to zoomers. It happens to everybody once they start using certain platforms for too many hours per day, namely facebook, instagram, telegram and tiktok. The only difference is that they turn into different types of zombies.

I feel encircled by actual tinfoil hats, shizo trannies, clout addicted attention whores (male + female), nazi LARPers and bipolar anime kinners and image boards and some Japanese fans on twitter aside I ended up ignoring other internet users as best as I can because I feel like it effects most people in a similar way as drugs but with more drama involved.

>>6793
I would also rather everybody was writing hetbend instead of transfic because at least it would be so much easier to filter it. It would be as easy as just excluding F/M from search, and that's exactly what I can do on pixiv because people always tag for genderbend.

>>6792
It's not just a matter of "they should know better" but because most of the critics (who tend to be female) feel more comfortable viciously attacking a woman because they are perceived to be weaker/safer to dismantle. It's the very reason why they avoid attacking coomer moids who indulge in loli and other degenerate material and instead target some woman in the 18-30s range living in the American midwest for drawing two fictional men kissing "the wrong way."

>>6795
Back in the old days that's what people used to do. But ever since the gendies took over and labeled rule 63 as transphobic and not heckin' inclusive, it's dwindled in practice even though the writer/artist is craving so badly to make it het because they're stealth self-inserters.

The real self-insert yume stacies were the ones that wrote a Mary Sue OC and didn't give a fuck at the people screeching in their comments about MUH MARY SUE. Making a canon character change gender in order to ship them with another dude was the self-inserter's cope

>>6789
>100x more critical towards people that overtly pander to them (Boyfriends author, Vivziepop, Rebecca Sugar, etc.)
God the hatred is unreal. It annoys me and I am not even in any of those fandoms. I enjoyed SU and like HH/HB but don't care enough to look at art or engage otherwise but dear god, wokes hate those series more than actual neonazis.

And it's always the people that pander to them. The only theories I can come up with is that it's either envy because one of "them" made it and became successful but apparently not them or that they are all very, very conservative but in denial. And you know that denial fags are usually more obsessed with what they hate. An actual rightwinger will maybe make a few shitposts but otherwise ignore woke series and enjoy what they like. A fundie in woke disguise feels like they HAVE To like it to "pass" as woke, but they hate it because they are the opposite. So this creates a serious internal conflict and since they can't admit what they really think it must be the fault of the other fans or the creator.

>>6791
I strangely(?) never encountered hetbending among the works of Japanese fans for the fandoms I am in. Westerners do it with every series and type of man. They would even turn Hulk into a tranny or woman. Or womanify him. I am not sure how to call that phenomenon but it annoys me as much as hetbending.

I mean when characters are still seen as male but drawn like women. Not tits or so but they turn muscular dudes into skinny lady-like characters that assume female poses and wear skirts.
It's soooo prevalent I see it even way more often than cuntboy/tranny stuff or genderbending and I hate it.

I'm glad we're talking about this topic because I'm sick of seeing yuri and genderbend in BL spaces. You will never see this in male-dominated fandoms. In fact, genderbending in male-dominated fandoms consists of turning male characters into female for the coom, but you will never see female characters being turned into men because that'll piss the moids off. Meanwhile, BL spaces have to deal with male characters being turned into women because gendies want to act all performative about how much they love women and yuri.

Gendies will enter BL spaces and then talk about how yuri is so much better and how the male characters should've been written as women instead. I've noticed a lot of them are desperate to come off as feminist and progressive. They don't want to be seen as boring straight girls who like BL and men for the coom. They want to be seen as queer and quirky, which is why they overcompensate by talking about how much they love women and female characters despite only being in BL fandoms and having M/M ships. Ask them what yuri ships/fandoms they actually like and they'll only be able to answer with Madoka, Utena, or Alien Stage kek.

I hate how good artists in my fandom, who aren't necessarily gendies, have fallen for the genderbend and yuri meme, mostly because it's what gets them praise and validation in these spaces. The only vindication I get is in knowing that these gendies will never create anything of value or worth. They don't actually care about the characters, but instead use them as props for their performative online activism.

>>6800
In good faith I'll assume for some of these people that they're lesbians who are into BL because they aren't getting the type of yuri they want, because I can relate to that myself. I'm still more fujo than himejo but I my taste in BL dynamics is the same as my taste in yuri dynamics and I rarely ever see that kind of yuri that appeals to me, rivals, enemyships, villain/hero etc. I usually enjoy my BL ships genderbent into yuri as well. But anyone with this problem needs to own up to that and go create the shit they want instead of making it fujo fandom's problem.

>>6800
I'm sorry nonna, I'm one of those spergs who genderbends all my ships into yuri kek. I share similar complaints though, sometimes it seems like they only do it as some "own" to fujos especially if they're commenting about how the genderbend version is better. I also don't understand what people you're surrounded with where they'll openly disparage yaoi while being in BL spaces, it's not like they're being held at gunpoint there; they obviously like BL enough to be in a community revolved around it so it's just obnoxious virtue signalling.

It also reminds me of the conversation ITT earlier about yaoi/yuri not being seen as distinct genres but twin categories where one must come with the other for gendies people. If you like a yaoi pairing some people expect you to be fine with the genderbend versions for whatever reason (I've seen this argument not just for F/F bends but M/F ones).

>>6801
>>6802
kek it's okay nonas, I forgive you.

I think for me, what annoys me is how they act like yuri is inherently better than yaoi in all aspects, just because one has women in it and the other doesn't. I don't care if they like yuri and want to see more of it; I know that it's hard to find good yuri content that isn't male-gazey. But it's stupid to act like genderbending a BL ship automatically turns it from boring to interesting, when it's supposedly the same characters with the same personalities and dynamics. It's just putting down BL for no reason in a space that's meant to be for BL first and foremost. Not to mention whenever they genderbend the characters, they just turn them into their OCs rather than keeping the integrity of the characters.

I don't even see genderbending that often and when I do it usually happens in half-dead fandoms where shippers can't think of anything else to draw anymore.

What I encounter more regularly is the girlification some nonnas mentioned before (the characters are still cis male, but they're depicted as frail and drawn with a different bodytype, female poses and female clothes) and the tumblrfication, for a lack of a better word. So artists with an obvious western style so utterly unfit for the series that their art pieces barely bear any resemblances to the characters anymore.
Some Japanese artist draw stylized art but it usually looks pretty and I can tell it's the characters I love. The tumblrfication will make fans redraw handsome anime dudes with Family Guy bodytypes, or make them fat in general, give them ugly noses (and I am usually a big nose enjoyer), ugly skin and so on you know the drill. This shit pisses me off because I feel like those fans are deliberately changing the look of the characters to make them something of their own and I hate it.
Human versions of non-human characters are part of this (and yes most of those versions make the characters fat, trans and black).

>>6773
Final fantasy 14 and Black butler are my primary fandoms right now and it's all over their western fan spaces. Sounds like you're in fandoms where it's just less of a thing.

>>6748
Antis make more sense when you realize it's a form of bonding and nothing brings people together than hate. Much like how people here use lolcow, for antis it's the same. It's no different than the anti Mary Sue communities that used to exist.

>>6785
Are you really surprised about people in thailand making characters trans when they're known for ladyboys? I'm sure even a teen without a phone could come to that artistic conclusion

>>6812
I have no idea how ubiquitous that ladyboy stuff is I was never in Thailand. I assumed it was just a subculture in some of the big cities. Considering how obsessed other countries are with tranny stuff I wouldn't necessarily link it with each other. I think crap like tiktok and exposition to US shit has a bigger influence. The people in question are all socmedia addicted.

>>6818
I think the real genderbending men you encounter in real life, or hear about friends or family encountering as a bigger influence than whatever the internet throws at you, but I don't have any reason to argue or defend why this would be so I guess we'll just disagree lol

some jp artists on twitter go absolutely hog wild with deleting and reuploading their art, locking and unlocking their accounts, making new accounts… what in the schizo fuck is this, I just want to like and retweet doodles of anime boys kissing without wondering if the tweet will still be there tomorrow

>>6822
I rarely ever experienced the deletion but what's up with the temporary locking most of them are doing? I follow all the artists so I still see what they post and don't bother, but none of them ever explain WHY they lock their account and it never lasts long. Few days or at best few weeks later they unlock it again. What causes this mystery?
>without wondering if the tweet will still be there tomorrow
Why wouldn't you save everything you like? If it's not important enough to save it's not important enough to be searched for on twitter and it's harder to do than to just open the fanart folder for that series anyway.

>>6822
i’ll never understand this either. sometimes i feel genuine sadness over how much art ends up lost this way, and i end up neurotically hoarding any and all art that i like even a little bit. this is always why i’m biased towards artists who also post logs of their stuff on pixiv (which is by no means immune to deletion, but at the very least it’s a lot more convenient to save everything there than on twitter imo).

guys im so sad i cant read any fics of my otp because everything that gets upload is written by tifs trooning out one of the characters. real fujos are disappearing it seems rip