No.862
>>861I don't know what exactly do you mean OP but I do agree that being a "cis straight" fujo is considered a bigger sin than being a fujo.
You have to be in some sort of LGBT spectrum to be accepted as a fujo in any way. You can't just possibly simply like anime men and men, that just doesn't work. "All fujos are lesbians" or "Being a fujo is lesbian culture" or whatever the fuck slogans I see thrown around lately.
It's strangely weird also taking into consideration that for some reason, these dyke fujos liking "problematic" yuri content is 100% okay and you shouldn't judge them because no women can do anything wrong.
So you can enjoy age gap incest loli/mommy yuri rape all you want but don't even think about liking that in BL. I genuinely barely see people throw shit about problematic yuri shipping (like the jjk lesbo sisters) to the lengths people go for problematic BL shipping. It's not like it doesn't exist, but it definitely doesn't get as bad as all the core fujo stuff that gets shit on.
No.863
>>862>"Being a fujo is lesbian culture" Oh god please don't tell me that's actually a thing. Lesbians arleady have enough content literally everywhere and I can see why some of them flock to BL for some "problematic" elements but problematic lesbo shit is already everywhere too so there's no need for them to look at BL anymore if they don't like men.
And yeah I hate that every time someone brings up being a fujo they have to also add in "uhMMM I'm not straight!!! How do you know I'm cis hUH??" Like it's okay to not give a shit about proving how queer you are just to enjoy anime boys kissing.
No.864
I agree with everything here and what I hate the most now, is that if you're a woman ( lesbian/bi or not ) you need to have some kind of trauma or some fakeass deep psychological reasoning to enjoy BL. IDK why only men are allowed to enjoy stuff just because they enjoy it. Now ppl justify liking BL with some political bullshit, sometimes I wonder if they're actually into BL or just want to write 300 pages thesis on why junjou romantica helped them cope with discord creep sending them " hey baby gurl " or some shit like that.
Also i hate they want to act like BL was always meant to be " queer rep " ( I hate that word so much idk why ). Some BL are definitely more realistic and can be considered as such I guess, but most of it is just women who want to see hot men fuck. There's no message behind it, no commentary on society, it's just porn, that's what " yaoi " meant btw
( Also if BL really helps you cope with some stuff, I'm not criticizing it, but it feels like it's the case for everyone into BL nowadays )
No.865
>ITT: Autistic /trash/ beckies being personally offended that lesbians exist and thinking in their delusions that lesbian fujos like or condone shitty malegaze yuri and mommy milker fetishes instead of specifically escaping that kind of nasty fetishizing shit to BL
Nobody tell them that a ton of BL mangakas are lesbian or they will choke on their rage, except none of them ever even read BL but instead obsess over Team Fortress and furry FNAF ships kek
No.866
I think everyone has seen this one by now but
" eww I hate gross fujos sexualizing gay men in yaoi !!! "
>reads BL
>reads BL
>reads BL
>exclusively ship gay ship and call het stuff gross
>reads BL made by women because when it's an author they like then it's ok
>is a woman herself who loves BL and is too stupid to realize she's a fujoshi herself
No.867
>>864If this website didn't put a (You) next to the beginning of posts I would have thought I typed this because I agree so much. I especially despise the whole "queer uwu repwesentation" bullshit and how it's now being pushed by BL publishing companies too now. I never see this shit with yuri so why is yaoi specifically being targeted with being LGBT media when no one asked for this shit? I also don't care if people do find some sort of cope in it but to point to every single relationship between anime boys as "queer media" is stretching it. I've always said that BL and queer manga should be separate categories.
No.868
>>861that's just capitalism and a consequence of more men being open about their fetishes and having less shame
No.873
>>868A lot of eastern fujoshi tend to be a lot more shameless so at this point I think I've lost hope for western fujoshi since majority of them are self-hating now or try to justify it in a weird way. It's been shown that women are more into buying merch than males so it is pretty baffling to me why they get more merch catered to them than women. It's been established a lot that women are into some weird shit so idk why there isn't more merch like that for us but maybe that'll change soon.
No.883
>>882Those types of twt account who make everything about BL and sexuality are based sometimes ( like calling out that hypocritical heartstopper bitch ), but 95% of the time they're annoying as fuck and repeat the exact same thing over and over again to people who won't even listen
Also go to those accounts and take a shot every time you read the word " queer " you'll be in a coma after 5 minutes of scrolling
No.885
>>873I have heard the exact opposite, eastern fujoshis are better at separating their interests from daily life and are more well put together and that western fujoshis are the one's who can't separate fiction from reality, which is why they have higher rates of troonint out
No.887
>>885I mean eastern fujoshi tend to be shameless about what they're into (online at least) so you're basically repeating exactly what I'm talking about lol. That's why I'm saying eastern fujoshi are better.
No.888
>>882>The queerWhat the fuck does it mean
The characters are gay and men
No.894
>>888You can't just be gay and be a normal gender, anyone and everyone and everything is queer now please andastan
No.898
>>895This entire fucking thread though.
>Be a straight woman drawing only straight relationships>2/3 of your audience is LGBT, most of them are probably spicy straights but even discounting that the gays still support you and follow you for more content>See other creators create gay shit, get jealous of their success that's due to the pool of created content being much smaller and the community being more concentrated>Spontaneously attack your own fanbase and blame them for not giving you enough clout, deduce that it must be because they're gay and don't want to read about heterosexual relationships since you yourself are too deep in the self-insertion mindset unable to enjoy stories about gay people>Accuse this strawman gay audience and fujos of "hating femaleness" and how normie stacies would love your painfully mediocre "self-indulgent" heterosexual porn if they just were made aware of it>The gay audience gets mad for basically being told that after years of loyalty they're not needed anymoreThis woman's existence must be absolutely miserable and she desperately needs to interact with the real world outside of Twitter. Just imagine living genuinely believing that you're oppressed for being straight and "into girly things".
No.899
>>898This is beyond stupidity this is full retardation
Did some of her gay follower even criticized her for straight stuff ?? Or is she making shit in her head like homophobes who think gay people all hate straight shit ? Because most gay just are ok, don't care or even like straight ship too
No.900
>>899>Did some of her gay follower even criticized her for straight stuff ??No, most of the fags don't care. I doubt anyone do except maybe some schyzo because straight romance is the 99%
No.901
>>899She just made shit up, she even admits that it's her just being annoyed at having a majority LGBT audience because, as she herself said right there, doesn't value their opinion regarding her heterosexual work.
No.902
>>898I have absolutely no clue what point is she trying to make but I have a feeling she sugarcoated way too much of her words because it's tldr; "I don't want to deal with faggots and trannies anymore" kek
No.903
>>902She basically acting like she's getting discriminated by gay shippers
No.935
>>898"second wave radfem coolaid"
No.936
>>863>please don't tell me that's actually a thingit's not lmao. the only group of women safe(ish) from fetishization claims are tifs and other "mlm identities". lesbians get bashed all the time on twitter as not actually being lesbian for enjoying bl.
No.940
>>939We need to bring back fujo gatekeeping. I hate when women claim to be fujos and do not obsess over gay anime ships. annoying annoying annoying! don't call yourself a fujo then!!! stupid
>imageboard pickmesi am utterly disgusted, this has to be the rock bottom for pickmeism. How the fuck does one end up being like this? so embarassing.
No.945
>>939this literally reminds me of my 17 yo cousin who is anti abortion, anti feminism, extremely right wing, just overall contrarian views because his narcissistic father says so
just recently i found her secret ig account full of yaoi lmao
point being, people like this are probably just immature teenagers
No.950
>>939is this really a thing, being an "ironic fujo" to piss off wokies
>>945imagine being forming your entire political beliefs based on being a contrarian
No.953
>>947>>946I agree. I'd love to fill my room with nude figures of anime boys.
No.955
how many fujos are legit lesbians though?
that actually like females more than men?
this shit is confusing, what exactly would draw a lesbian to enjoy bl exclusively?
No.957
>>898I can sort of understand what she's trying to get at, I think people are just assuming the worst and boiling it down to "I'm oppressed because I create straight content" when really it's the feeling of being the odd one out in a group even though people like her just fine for the content she creates. I know how this feels, and it's just sort of that feeling of loneliness you get when everyone you interact with is different from you and you can't relate to that certain aspect of them. She's not trying to push it as a bad thing, just giving an unnecessary long explanation as to how she feels.
Though if it were me I wouldn't even explain and just keep drawing whatever I wanna draw, especially since people are following her for straight shit anyway. I've learned that over the years people will just assume the absolute worst possible connotation of what you're trying to say so I now just say "I don't care, I do what I want".
No.991
>>957Oh please, how do you feel the odd one for drawing straight shit. Twitter is way less LGBT than it appears, 90% of these "lgbt" are spicy straight girls calling themselves NB and some other twitter gender.
No.992
>>957>Though if it were me I wouldn't even explain and just keep drawing whatever I wanna drawThat's the problem people have with this mess. Her fanbase was happy to support her with her work being explicitly straight yet she suddenly lashed out at them, accused them of pressuring her into becoming ashamed of being a "straight girl into girly things", claimed that they must hate her work and went on this tirade about how they're making her feel "complicit" in sexism because she likes the creepy old man x naive young woman dynamic. With absolutely nothing to back her up, this meltdown was literally triggered by her finding out that according to a Twitter poll 2/3 of respondents following her identify as LGBT. It's a weird amount of seething aggression over something most people would've just brushed off because it's obvious these people had no problem with her content or else they wouldn't be following her which does make her sound if not homophobic then unfairly taking out her own issues on people who have nothing to do with them.
I understand where she's coming from and what she's getting at but her feeling out of place amidst LGBT creators is not what pissed people off, it's everything else that she vomited all over in her thread. Like said, she could've just kept drawing her thing and try and attract a new audience.
No.993
>there's been a lot of indie anime clothing/anime streetwear brands that just slap a generic picture of an anime girl OC, throw it on a store, and make 6 figures
I highly doubt any of those “brands” are making that much money selling t-shirts
No.1004
>>992That was the cringey part of this mess: "I want to make het content without losing my clout and likes on twitter"
Platforms dominated by straight people and het shippers exist but this girl was more concerned about numbers.The like button has broken so many brains of authors and artists with imposter syndrome, I swear.
No.1083
Oh dear god it's not just the anti fujos spreging on twitter and tumblr anymore
The US state of Virginia is trying to ban books with explicit sex scenes from retail sale
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/05/20/gender-queer-barnes-and-noble/ No.1093
>>1083This reminds me of the dystopia 451 fahrenheit, where they discarded & burned books that were deemed dangerous to own. Thankfully I dob't live in Virginia, nor in the US, but I feel worried for my fujo sisters there.
No.1165
>>1164Just ignore them all, sis.
Unfortunately to find people to talk about your interests with you have to wade through the hellscape that is modern wokeness, but back in the day there were plenty of cringe weebs and the like to wade through too. Shouting into the void until someone shouts back is still a tried and true method.
No.1166
>>1164What fandom? I'm honestly in pretty much almost the same situation, though I think proshippers are just kind of hit or miss, there's some people that label themselves that while being regular fujos into
problematic things like incest/shota/rape etc. Way better than retarded antis at least.
You are right though, making
normal fujo friends seems close to impossible these days, especially in certain fandoms.
No.1167
>>1164just focus on the fanart/fic/whatever and ignore the people i guess. i get what you mean, though. fandom seems split between antis (underage and adults) who think cartoons are literally killing the world, and troons with @'s like RATPISSBOY who draw the worst art you've ever seen.
No.1170
>>1167>RATPISSBOYKek why is it always this exact combination of words?
No.1171
>>1170i genuinely have no idea. maybe it's because rats are gross (and therefore "masculine"), they don't want to be men they want to be little ass anime boys, plus they usually have piss fetishes.
No.1172
>>1171Don't think too much about it, it's just zoomers trying to be quirky
No.1175
>>1172>zoomersno i've seen people well into their twenties with @'s like that
No.1176
>>1164The shipping discourse is the Madonna/Whore complex taken to the logical extreme: you're either a good gay who only wants shipping to be for media representation or you're a whore who embraces every kink and fetish out there. Another space where women have to conform to ideals instead of being human.
I just want to say I like seeing two dicks touching in mature comics without having to put they/them pronouns in my bio to avoid doxxing.
No.1177
>>1175Okay, then zoomers and millennials. You can't deny it's still sad.
No.1392
I need a fujo gf but most other lesbians who are fujos end up trooning out or making a big deal out of it being progressive. I want someone to motivate me to make degen content, if I write a fic she makes art for it, stuff like that. My hobbies and the career I want don't align with my "online" interests at all, I'm outdoorsy and study livestock management and act very tomboyish but I read fanfics almost every night and draw fanart. Finding a fujo FRIEND in an environment like that is hard enough, let alone a potential partner. I want to talk to my wife about vidya characters having buttsex as we feed our goats and send each other fanart throughout the day when we aren't together. We watch a cool movie together, making lewd comments about the men the entire time, and open ao3 the moment it ends.
It especially sucks since my ex kinda fit that description, so I know that future is possible for me, but as time goes on it seems more and more unlikely. The moment I mention liking yaoi people screech "AS A NB ACHILLEAN BISEXUAL GAY TRANS MAN" that I can't be a lesbian, or that I can't consume it since im an icky girl. Some girls I talked to in the past seem turned off or get insecure from my horndog thoughts about men who don't exist. Like, the only reason I like him is because he isn't real and/or unattainable, I promise I only like women.
No.1395
A dumb pet peeve but I hate it when good fujo porn has people coming in posting about wanting to be fucked by the seme and leaving unapologetically retarded comments like "I wish I was in (the uke)'s place oink oink awooga". Nobody wants you hetbending and self inserting into the scenario and ruining it for everyone, stop it right the fuck now and leave the characters be.
No.1396
>>1392maybe try to slowly warm up a friend into liking yaoi? worked for some friends of mine
No.1397
>>1392im like that but im not a homo, i think you have to entirely leave westoid spaces in order to find a partner like that
No.1446
>>1392Just find a man instead plenty of them are okay with women's degenerate fetishes.
No.1447
>>1446She said in her post that she was a lesbian.
>>1392Anon, I relate to you so much on this. Being a lesbian fujo is so fucking painful. I just want a girlfriend who likes the same depraved content as me, but it seems like there are only aidens and handmaidens that fit that description out there. But really, we aren't alone on this.
No.1449
>>1396One of my friends is fujo-aligned but she has a bf and I've known her so long that dating her would be weird. We're definitely platonic soulmates and I feel like having the same fujo tastes is part of that, we like to get together and watch fujo classic movies and shows like Hannibal.
>>1447One day nonna! If girls like you and I exist and are seeking a lovely degen girl, I'm sure there's even more out there like us who just want to make men who dont exist bang while wanting nothing to do with them irl. There's always the potential of getting a partner into being a fujoshi, but asking someone to change a LOT is unhealthy in a relationship.
No.1450
>>1392Lesbians being into anime men is understandable since they're not real and some of them border on genuinely genderless and effeminate but what kind of a lesbian watches a live action movie and makes lewd comments about the male actors? As a lesbian fujo I just don't understand this, I love anime men but I simply don't find any interest in lewding real life men even if it was for shipping purposes.
No.1451
>>1392nonny, are u me? not to samefag hard but i wouldn't be able to settle down w a normiefem because i'm too degen and gross for her not to get alarmed, but i wont touch those nb/tif morons w a stick. *sigh*
No.1452
>>1450When I say "lewd comments" I mostly mean joking about one male character and another male character being together/fucking, it's less about the actor and more about the character they play and the scenario they're in especially if they're suffering. I wouldn't have sex with Andrew Lincoln but seeing his character become more unhinged and feral in the walking dead… yum. Trust me I'm mostly into anime men and live action actors who strike my fancy are rare, at the end of the day the character doesn't exist and I know that irl men will never be attractive to me.
Not saying that you have to understand me ofc! Just explaining my viewpoint a bit more so I don't look like a bi girl in denial. I used to not enjoy lewd content of live action shows but then I watched Hannibal and realized what I had been missing out on.
>>1451So true. I couldn't enjoy fujo content with a partner who tries to make it some grand statement about coping with trauma or exploring gender or any of that crap. Yaoi definitely helped me realize I had a more gnc/masculine side but wanting to become the anime twink never crossed my mind and I never felt ashamed for being a woman into watching men fuck. Men can watch lesbian porn and draw unrealistic nsfw and not be judged, the same should apply to women with their gay anime ships. You dont need to become a man to escape criticism, you just need to block people and love yaoi with your whole chest, but apparently nbs/tifs missed that message.
No.1453
>>1450Sorry if this is a faux pas question, but what is the the appeal in your opinion of yaoi over yuri for as lesbian? Are they both equally enjoyable or do you drastically prefer yaoi?
I've seen a lot of lesbians into yuri on tumblr and Twitter who seem to be into mahou shoujo in particular, but I've never seen a fujo lesbian except for brief references to being one on A03 occasionally.
Also, and you don't need to answer if it makes you uncomfortable, do you ever feel like people will assume you're not a "real lesbian" if they find out you're into BL?
No.1454
>>1453I'm not the nonna you've replied to but I'll give you my opinion and answer.
>What is the the appeal in your opinion of yaoi over yuri for as lesbian?The fact that yaoi is created by women for women. Most yuri is created by men and fetishize women and lesbians, and have absurd fanservice that panders to the male gaze. Also BL/yaoi has more original stories and characters while in most yuri you'll notice that the characters suffer from the same face syndrome aand have the same moe personality. Still there are some well made yuri that are created by female authors/mangakas but they're rare.
>Do you ever feel like people will assume you're not a "real lesbian" if they find out you're into BL?I'm still a closed lesbian but I think that the chances are 50/50.
We must know the fact that most BL/yaoi has male gay characters into a lesbian like relationship (by that I mean is that they don't really act as how real male gay relationships are) and are softened to appeal to the female audience and some people that are not into it know that fact and aknowledge it. Like the anon you've replied to I will feel attraction toward the fictional 2D males but not to the real ones.
No.1455
>>1453NTA, but I'm also a lesbian and I feel like answering this. I won't lie I am a bit drunk right now so apologies for any fuckiness, kek
Yaoi has never been a coom thing for me. A lot of people (especially moids) don't realize that not all fujos get off to BL. I don't feel attraction towards fictional men, I don't want to fuck them, I don't want to masturbate to them, I just want to see them fuck each other. Because shipping and watching your favorite boys get destroyed is just fun.
I'm interested to hear how other lesbians on here will answer this question, because I'm sure my answer is different from some people's.
No.1456
>>1455>Yaoi has never been a coom thing for me.I'm the nonna from
>>1453 and forgot to add this, I'm mostly into BL because of the story & characters and I want to see how their relationship progresses.
No.1457
>>1453that's honestly something I've wondered about myself. I used to ID as asexual before I realized I was lesbian, but despite having no attraction to irl men I still liked fictional men and yaoi. Yaoi is actually how I met the woman who made me realize I was into women, lol.
>what is the the appeal in your opinion of yaoi over yuri for as lesbian? Are they both equally enjoyable or do you drastically prefer yaoi?I preferred yaoi for the longest time because like I said I didn't realize I was gay until I was around 17, and yuri (as in eastern lesbian content) never appealed to me- it felt too feminine, too cute, and I liked how rough and tumble yaoi was by comparison. Seeing men act more feminine in media made by women for women helped me get in touch with my masculine side, while yuri just seemed to be super feminine women touching other super feminine women's boobs. I'm sure if there was more yuri with masculine women I would've liked it more or realized I was gay sooner, since my type is definitely more androgynous/masculine women. I guess yaoi had men who acted like the sort of women who I'm attracted to, and that's why I preferred it. Most of the time I still do.
It's been a few years since I realized I was lesbian and I've come to terms with it more. My family is accepting and I didn't have many mental hurdles to get over apart from "Oh shit I like women". I hear that most lesbians have a harder time coming to terms with not liking men, but for me it was like… why would I have a hard time with that? The only ones I liked weren't real and acted like girls!
I specifically mentioned EASTERN yuri since in recent years western lesbian content has had a solid increase in quality- at least, the characters have. You see a lot more gnc/masculine women who are explicitly lesbian, there's a good story, their sexuality is a part of them but not a huge deal. I don't mean movies that are just about lesbianism and sexuality bullshit, I mean media with a story that's separate from their sexuality. I've been a LOT more into that kind of media lately, especially since I just finished Arcane and I loved it.
The fanmade yuri content for media like that… kinda sucks though. Nothing catches my interest since people haven't realized that problematic lesbian content can be delicious too, so it's mostly coffeeshop aus with no angst and all fluff. Yaoi will always be superior when it comes to getting good fan content that satisfies more niche interests and kinks, so I do find myself coming back to yaoi pretty often lol
No.1458
>>1453>>1457Adding on to this because my reply was too long lol:
>do you ever feel like people will assume you're not a "real lesbian" if they find out you're into BL?Sometimes I do? But if a girl I'm with is that insecure about people who don't exist I wouldn't want to be with her. I only consume yume content of female characters, when it comes to male characters I want them to bang each other, not me lol. If I was talking about wanting to deepthroat some anime boy and having him impregnate me I can definitely understand people thinking im not a real lesbian, but all I really make content of is men with other men. Like a lot of fujos here I do NOT get off to yaoi, sometimes I get off to yuri, but yaoi has never turned me on physically. it's just fun to see men get obliterated.
No.1459
>>1453>Sorry if this is a faux pas question, but what is the the appeal in your opinion of yaoi over yuri for as lesbian? Are they both equally enjoyable or do you drastically prefer yaoi?Let's put it this way - I like lesbian media, but not yuri. With lesbianism I want real stories about real relationships treated with dignity that I can often self insert into (something I don't do with BL), not oversexualized teenage girls groping each other for the male gaze. I also have f/f ships that I love but yuri as a genre feels like an insult. The thought that men treat it as the extension of their lesbian fetish turns me off to the point I can't enjoy any of it. BL on the other hand has enough exoticism and distancing of my real life self that I can relax and enjoy a same sex couple without feeling victimized and ogled at. The fact that the fandom and the creators are like 99% female makes the difference. I also grew up in a homophobic environment so I still have my internalized homophobia that I'll probably have to work on for the rest of my life, and reading stories about same sex relationships as a completely outsider 3rd party viewer has helped me sort out those thoughts.
>I've never seen a fujo lesbian except for brief references to being one on A03 occasionally. They exist, according to every questionnaire I've seen around 30% of fujos are lesbian, 30% bisexual and 30% straight. It's very equally divided and the ratios also apply to my own fujo friend group.
>do you ever feel like people will assume you're not a "real lesbian" if they find out you're into BL?All the time. I'm a gold star lesbian in my 30's with a female-only dating history just like my girlfriend yet spergs are convinced that I'm just faking and I'm actually a bi girl in denial because I don't like scrotepandering walking anime titties on legs.
No.1460
>>1457anon are you me? i fell into the trap of tumblr identities and id'd as demisexual for a couple months because i liked m/m content, before i realized i was a lesbian. i think a lot of yuri feels souless and boring because it's written by men who have no idea how to write women
No.1461
>>1459ppl always get so bewildered over lesbians being fujos, but f/f ships and yuri often times just feel so devoid of passion that it pisses me off.
also i always feel like a neckbeard stands behind wanking or that a gendie will insist on making one or both trans.
+ i'm too fucking old to read hs bs … there are zero fun involved in the yuri stuff and i hate seeing women get hurt so i put all my sadism into men fucking each other (up) instead.
No.1463
>>1461>ppl always get so bewildered over lesbians being fujosBack in the 00s all of the lesbians I knew of were prolific m/m writers (and very often BNFs) so it's weird the perception of them is now the opposite.
No.1466
>>1460>>1461I'm not sure if I'd call myself a lesbian (never dated a girl irl though I want to, I've had fairly limited dating experiences overall though) but at first I assumed I'd naturally be into men irl considering BL is such a big interest of mine, except I just wasn't attracted to them at all. And then I realized I was only into fictional (usually somewhat feminine) twinks and shipping them with other twinks, never with myself or a female character. For a few months I thought being asexual made the most sense for me, but seeing fujo lesbian posts here and in some other places has been making me reconsider that a bit. I've always liked F/F but I can be pretty picky about it, like you said a lot of it feels like soulless coomerbait for men to coom to, or the other extreme of pure fluffy coffeeshop AU which isn't interesting enough to me. Not to mention all the
yuri stuff that's just troon self insert shit which immediately kills my mood. I want to date another fujo if possible, but finding one, especially where I live, seems like a really hard task.
But yeah, F/F fan content just isn't as appealing to me as M/M is in a lot of cases, both quantity and quality wise.
No.1467
>>1458>yaoi has never turned me on physically. it's just fun to see men get obliterated.You said it better than I ever could have. But I wonder, why exactly is it so much fun to watch fictional men get their brains fucked out? Is it a misandry thing?
No.1469
>>1467NTA but I guess it's a desire to gain control and exact revenge? As women we don't really have a way of sexual dominance over men since they can always overpower us physically and by social privilege but other men can punish them and subject them to the same treatment as we get, it's just satisfying to witness and comforting in a morbid way to see them having to deal with the same horrible things we have to endure. Also because at least personally I feel really bad looking at women being sexually assaulted but still have my degenerate kinks, and exploring them with male characters doesn't cause me the awful realization of how I can be subjected to this shit in real life.
No.1472
>>1470Not at all, nonnie! I'm just honestly glad to see someone genuinely interested in hearing about it instead of acting in bad faith or just putting fingers in their ears and pretending like the entire concept of a lesbian fujo is an oxymoron. A lot of active BL creators (as
>>1463 said) are lesbian for some reason, I guess because they're the least likely to have a relationship and kids taking their time so they dedicate it to creating content?
No.1514
this is a minor issue but still kinda frustrating but I have been checking the tags for my rarepair on different platforms and they are just not updating…. being a rarepair shipper is suffering
No.1515
>>1514>being a rarepair shipper is sufferingAs a rarepair shipper, I've took matter into my own hands to make content of my rareship. I hope that this way more people wll get into it and that will help create more content of it.
No.1517
>>1514My rarepair has been rising in popularity lately in jp spaces but it's COMPLETELY non-existent in western spaces. And the jp spaces don't even make porn of it (directly), they talk about it on priv r18 accounts but don't make porn.
Another one I have was actually a popular pair
22 years ago but now it's completely dead and buried into rarepair status.
I've been tempted to translate some of my fics to jp just so I can enlighten the nips who clearly like it but aren't into it hard like me.
No.1518
>>1517>a popular pair 22 years agoOh man I gotta know, what was it? A lot of my OTPs were popular relative to total fanworks but are consigned forever to not being from an IP that was ACTUALLY popular with fan creators, you know? I'm real jealous of younger fujos who can get into, like, Naruto or something, and have 100s of hours of decent-to-high quality Sasuke/Naruto to go through. I've thought about picking up MHA to see if a ship sticks because those fujos eat like kings.
>>1515>>1514What are your rarepairs too? I'm really nosy. I'm nearly 10k words into the first chapter of a three chapter work for something, feels exciting.
No.1519
aaaaaaaa i want everyone to shut the FUCK up about fetishization it is not afucking thing !!!!! i just clicked on a random japanese animation on youtube and it's full of these motherfuckers whining about how someone thought the characters were both male, and went on a tangent about how it's fetishizing "mlm", completely unrelated to the video. tired of tapping the sign, you cannot "fetishize" a relationship between characters that don't exist!!!!!!!
No.1523
>>1521>men literally deserve to be fetishized and sexualisedYou're right but most of them are too gross and misogynistic for antone to want to.
>Female creeps are based for making men uncomfortable.Agree, I always see men making women feel discomfort, never saw a woman irl who actually bugs men, but I hope that there are women who do their God-given duty to make men feel uncomfortable.
No.1524
>>1523>for antone to want toI meant - for anyone to want to
No.1525
>>1521BASED BASED BASED
also lmfao at aydens being triggered by male fetishization. they're next gen mras i swear
No.1547
>>1521Unfathomably based. Also it's funny seeing anyone, trannies or actual men telling fujoshi to stop "fetishizing" them, as if we want to see their disgusting hairy unwashed buttholes. I've had the unfortunate displeasure of seeing tranny privates back on tumblr and sometimes on twitter when I've checked the profiles of femboys. Most disgusting gut-wrenching vile garbage I've ever seen in my life I don't get why someone would willingly do that to their bodies. And they have the audacity to think we WANT to look at that. You will never be an anime boy.
No.1549
>>1548it's the tranny disease
No.1559
>>1521IRL men are legitimately too disgusting to even fetishize, they should be ignored and devoid of all female attention. I will never get RPF fujos, who the fuck is actually invested in 3DPD moids?
No.1560
>>1559they only see them in airbrushed pictures and skin smoothing filtered videos so they're basically living dolls to write fanfiction about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No.1561
>>1559Moids deserve to be harassed and made to feel uncomfortable. They deserve all the fetishizing bullying.
No.1562
>>1559rpf shipping is part of fujoculture in the end but i do agree with
>>1560 If you really look at how rpf fujos interact with their ships it is very close to forcing the moids into becoming characters via the tools of fanart/fanfiction/photoshop etc. A bunch of rpf fujos also partake in it as a joke too.
No.1568
>>1561No, women shouldn't be wasting their time with scrotes or giving them any attention. The "actually we should be fetishizing men" rhetoric sounds nasty as hell when anyone with a Y chromosome is only good for physical labor, it's similar to the "ackshually I'm domming men by blowing and pegging them" cope. I'm serious, I don't understand why as a fujo I should give a shit about IRL men other than to send them to the camps so I don't have to stare at their ugly mugs. BL isn't even fetishizing men, it's ignoring them and reinventing their entire being and that's why it makes them seethe so much.
No.1574
>>1573I feel you, I also noticed the things you complain about.
>2. fanartists who would post fanart and then occasionally answer asks but would tag it so you could blacklistI'm a fanartist who still doesn't get asks and I'm not that good with tags, do I just put in the tags "blacklist if not interested" or "not fanart"? I'm new to tumblr and I have only one post, I don't know much about the platform, I even once got confused how the reblogs work there.
No.1575
>>1574I'm the anon at>>1573 and honestly if you don't get a lot of asks then it really doesn't matter.
But back in 2013 or something big artists would get many asks during the day so when they answered them it could clog up someone's dash.
Otherwise just tag them with any variation of "ask" "mail" "q and a" etc. I like when artists do this because then you can blacklist it if you want and you can go trough their ask tag and see them talk about art and process which is nice.
But most people don't have a desire to blacklist asks I must admit. I'm in the small minority who does
No.1579
>>1573>I'm just bitter that I never get to have a fandom friend group I can sperg with and lurking isn't even fun anymoreAh I'm feeling this so hard. Just posting here for the last 2 months or so has made me realize I have a tiny void in my life where I'd love to stick some adult fandom friends.
Lurking did used to be better, type 2 and 4 blogs were pretty solid choices. I wish everybody would just come back to Tumblr.
No.1581
>>1579I feel like the trouble with adult fandom friends is they are occasionally insane. I'd love to sperg with other people but I keep running into that issue.
No.1582
>>1581NTA I'm intrigued, what kind of insane company have you managed to run into?
No.1584
>>1581NTA but I feel like it's much easier to vet fandom friends as an adult than it was when I was younger. Back then we were all a bit unhinged and just slacking around but by late 20's/early 30's you'll know that someone your age being a NEET with mental issues and no future prospects besides lurking imageboards is most likely bad news and not worth getting acquainted with. Also I feel like a lot of my friends who abandoned fujoism in their 20's out of fear of their boyfriend judging them have now stabilized enough to get back into it and not care if someone thinks they're cringe.
That said it is hard to find adult friends the older you get. A lot of them start hiding their ages or put a vague "25+" on their profiles because they're afraid of being bullied out of the community for being "too old".
No.1595
>>1581>>1584That's why I really don't care much about making fandom friends now. But I wish I got someone while I was a teenager
No.1596
>>1582Genuinely mentally ill individuals. And I suppose that's not their fault but I would rather it not be made to be my problem that they're sick.
>>1584I don't really care if they're NEETs but it'd be nice if they had jobs and lives outside of imageboards yes. I think sometimes you want to talk about real life, and such a person would be incapable.
No.1600
>>1599samefaq but I also learned trough lj that a franchise I like had a booru site which seemed like it closed down a year ago which pisses me off since I could really use it right now
No.1601
>>1599Just remember that even if you can't go back to the past you can always try to make the future look a bit more like it.
Try to get in touch with older fans, revive fan content from the past, try to focus on content that looks like it's from the old days etc, I know that for smaller fanbases this won't be that easy but it's worth to try.
No.1602
>>1599Talk in the fanfic thread kicked off a period of me wayback machining some personal sites of authors I remember and it's been a trip. Some of them still have active socials and sites for their original fiction, it's neat. I do understand what you mean though, it sounds dumb but I also mourn the past in a way that I know is unhealthy. At the time I had no idea what was going to happen to the internet and I feel like I didn't "live" enough in those moments, like my life would be significantly different if I had just embraced the cringe and put myself out there.
What helps me cope is writing/drawing my own stuff. I've always been mildly jealous of fanartists who can push their shipping agenda with great art, so now I would like to be one.
No.1603
>>1602>I know is unhealthy. At the time I had no idea what was going to happen to the internet and I feel like I didn't "live" enough in those moments, like my life would be significantly different if I had just embraced the cringe and put myself out there. For me it's a mix of not embracing the cringe [spoiler]and my english not being good enough to fully participate in fandom. [/spoiler]
I part of me just misses the novelty of discovering fandom. How exciting it was when you found someone making an in depth analysis of your favourite character or how intriguing it was when you first discovered the concept of shipping and knowing that other people all around the world was just as invested in fictional characters relationships as you where. I used to go "wait, is that an option? Is that ok to ship this? Even if the characters barely interacts? Interesting" whenever I saw a rarepair now I just go "of course someone ships this" it's not exciting or new to me. Or when I first discovered the concept of AUs I was completely mindblown! Now my standards for AUs are so high and it has to be a really good concept before I will even bother interacting with it. Or seeing pictures of cosplayers and just being amazed over the concept that people make costumes to show their love for for a character.
I still like these things but it's been a while since I have "kyaaaa"ed over participating in fandom. Nothing really surprises me anymore and I think I have seen everything fandom has to offer. Maybe it's because I'm getting older but I just miss how excited young-me was over these things and I miss how easy communication was on Livejournal. The layout of the site just made discussion and feedback so much easier. Compared to Tumblr and Instagram which is very visual and any other social media which is just designed to view things as quickly as possible and then just keep scrolling.
Come to think of it, I not sure if it was young age that made everything exciting or if it was Livejournal that just gave everything more "meat" since it allowed for more discussion and feedback
No.1605
>>1603i am too tired to respond in a coherent way but know that i resonate with your post very strongly. I feel like fandoms were allowed to be more silly and fun too back in the day, not all ships were super serious (crack ships) and you had the old nyan cat random xd internet humor attached to it which is sort of endearing
No.1616
>>1605I still think that fandom is silly it's just that the humour has changed. I guess it has become less random and more… ironic? Like the punchline is more that you don't genuinely enjoy it idk. I guess it's either for the better or worse depending on who you are.
Crackshipping is still happening but it's more treated like a joke. Not many people are willing to explore a potential in them. And it is alot more rare now than it used to be.
There are some trends that are new such a self-shipping(which people also used to do but it's more dedicated now with people creating tumblr blogs dedicated to posting art of themselves and their favourite characters) and kinning(though that is dead on tumblr but I've heard it's still thriving on twitter). But then we have old trends that a dead like askblogs(weirdly enough they died while tumblr still was the primary place for fandom so idk what happened and why people lost interest in them).
Maybe I'm reading too much into things but new fandom trends seems to be more focus on being self-indulgent and old stuff like askblogs focus more on sharing with people and creating content everyone in the fandom could enjoy? I know there where also self-indulgent content in the past but I can't remember any of it right now.
But honestly beside the things I mentioned I don't think the silly tone in fandom has changed too much. It's just that fandom is no longer a novelty for me.
No.1643
Apologies in advance for this extreme schizopost. I'm a guy and I think I've become "ex gay" without really realising it, and I'm basically (and I appreciate how crude it sounds to say this directly in text), trying to subtly find a fujo gf at the moment. I never really made the jump to finding "manly men" hot, like you're apparently meant to – there's lots of factors at play here, but obviously wasting my life reading BL and admiring and shipping pretty 2D guys will have affected my tastes quite considerably. A lot of people say that liking pretty boys is a phase you're meant to, essentially, get over eventually. You don't actually like pretty boys, you're just responding positively to their relatively "safe" and unsexual quality, and eventually you'll realise what you actually wanted was a guy with muscles and a beard and a more overtly sexual mien, etc. etc. I have not gotten over pretty boys! But, somehow, I'm now 30, and I find the typical 30-year-old guy very not attractive, even the ones who're generally considered attractive. And I, personally, couldn't stand being the older guy in an age gap thing. So I find I'm drifting towards women, sexually, just because I often find them, well, pretty, in a way I find it increasingly difficult to find in men around my own age. But obviously no normal woman is going to want a guy with over a decade of consistent homosexuality behind him, which I totally understand. Which leads me to think I need to, somehow, find a fujo girl – I mean, we like the same stuff, and she'd hopefully be open-minded about the whole me-being-gay thing, right(??). And literally all my online anime/BL friends are women. No possible answers to this, I just wanted to shout it into the void somewhere.(moid)
No.1645
>>1643are you trans 'cause I feel like you're probably trans.
No.1646
>>1643if this post is real you're bisexual (if you can get it up for women that is. entertaining a thought is different to actually experiencing it). ofc i don't think you're in the wrong for wanting a pretty boyfriend you're sexually attracted to, it's baseline really. if it helps i've known of bi women who thought they were "gold star lesbians" (no disrespect to actual gs) discover their latent bisexuality. my sister also discovered her latent bisexuality, came out at 37, and is now engaged to another woman which is wild. being bi, it's natural to be into one particular sex for a while and then a burst of desire for the other sex occurs. whatever you do not cut your dick off like
>>1645 is suggesting because that is just retarded. best of luck.
No.1647
>>1646No I meant that they were giving me transman vibes. As in I doubt it's an actual man behind the post, but we're all anon so who knows.
No.1648
>>1647ooh my bad i see what you mean now ☆(・3<)」 i get how you're feeling too
No.1650
>>1649But that anon also talks about how lovers of BL are expected to grow out of it because the stereotype is that we just like safe, soft men over strong muscular ones.
It seemed like that'd be more of a fujo problem. Who's telling gay men to stop lusting after soft men?
No.1652
>>1643I don't understand, what's so bad about sticking with your natural preferences as you grow older? You only have to accept that you'll most likely stay alone, which might not sound nice but it's not something to fear either.
>and eventually you'll realise what you actually wanted was a guy with muscles and a beard and a more overtly sexual mien, etc.This sounds like a psyop by that dreadful pride community that wants to brainwash every gay on the planet into being/acting the same way. Just because you aren't the stereotypical gay caricature it doesn't mean you aren't allowed to live your sexuality your own way. Just have realistic expectations regarding your specific tastes.
>>1650>Who's telling gay men to stop lusting after soft men?Notice how western culture completely despises the typical ikemen look. Once gay men reach a certain age they'll be told to either hit the gym and become le big manly dude or to do plastic surgery/troon out. I've seen people who were genuinely convinced that David Bowie was secretely trans because of course there was no way a grown cis man could be beautiful otherwise right?
Also American media has been pushing the same gay and lesbian stereotypes for ages, I can see how an homosexual that doesn't fit them might feel confused and wonder if they were truly homosexual to begin with.
No.1659
>>1643>Guy>Ex gayEw leave i only like fictional gays.
No.1660
>>1643men aren't allowed here retard, read the rules
No.1661
>>1650ngl that guy in case he's actually a XY scrotum and not just a larping Aiden comes across more like a pedo with that "I like """pretty boys""" not these icky adult men and I want a fujo gf to be a handmaiden to my fetishes and substitute for a young virginal twink I can play out my fantasies with" bullshit than even an actual gay man attracted to men. Like imagine if it was him talking about how he only likes young girls because adult women turn him off after rotting his brain with teenage hentai for years. It's the same thing.
No.1662
>>1660lawl, you're braindead if you think a rule like that will change anything
No.1663
>>1662Not that anon but if there are fudans on here, they just don't need to announce they're men.
No.1664
>>1662Of course scrotes keep posting because they can't fucking keep away from female spaces but the rules is there to keep them from making attention seeking posts like that because some naive anons will always rush to be the personal emotional mommies to degenerates crying about how they have it hard because they're not attracted to people their age and want a bangmaid only to substitute as their anime twink lover. That's why they were banned on Lolcow initially, men kept coming in thinking their opinion is more interesting and holds more weight so they kept making "male here" type of posts blogging about how attractive they find woman x, y and z. Just like this moid is doing. If you want to pet the heads of emotionally stunted men you have the entirety of imageboards and subreddits to do it in.
No.1666
>>1662NTA but moids need to know they are not welcomed here
No.1667
>>1664Anon calm the fuck down you seem triggered
No.1668
>>1664>>1667They hated her for she spoke the truth.
No.1742
Nonnies I just want a friend group of people who don’t immediately condescend upon me the second I say I like age gap or incest or literally anything outside of coffee shop AUs. where did all the fun fujos go, I’m starting to feel like a freak for liking the most mundane things, I had someone say I was creepy for liking hagio moto yesterday
No.1743
>>1742>creepy for liking hagio moto yesterdayjfc what the fuck man where do these retards even come from
No.1744
>>1742I may sound a little schizo but I seriously think it ties into the death of anonymity online, and everything switching to photo/video platforms that encourage your real face being put into fandom spaces.
No.1745
>>1742>where did all the fun fujos goGot tired of dealing with antis. Not even personal attacks or anything, they just make the atmosphere of a fandom really unfun. It's extra demoralizing to see that it literally only ever happens to m/m ships.
No.1746
>>1745Yeah I can't speak for others but in my case I don't interact with anyone online unless we're all anons fo avoid crazy antis and annoying kids.
No.1756
>>1744this and also how antis are a lot more willing to go after your personal life. not just insults but getting you fired, trying to expose you to the public, etc. even if you're smart about policing your info they still try to make your life hell for no real reason except that shipping wars.
No.1760
>>1742My suggestion is to check out maybe discords for scanlation groups that do series that are considered "problematic". You'll have to do with gendies but at least they tend to focus on BL.
Twitter is a nono also shit for talking.
4chan doesn't care, but it's mostly dead. They also don't like fujochan.
No.1761
>>1744>I may sound a little schizo but I seriously think it ties into the death of anonymity online, and everything switching to photo/video platforms that encourage your real face being put into fandom spaces.I think you are correct. On twitter I'd never post of the stuff I post online, posting something like "I read this age gap romance" would get you called a pedo and sent death threats.
No.1775
>>1742Honestly, I'm glad that the same people who were spewing vitriol against fujoshis in the mid 2010s are now getting torn apart by present day antis. That's what you get bitches :)
Never side with antis on anything.
No.1779
>>1761I don't really use twitter so my ignorance may be showing, but if you make a new account and keep yourself undoxable, and only interact with chill fujos, is it still likely to be harrassed? I thought twitter was mostly interacting with ppl you know, so randoms wouldn't find you unless you were a celebrity or something
No.1780
>>1779Twitter allows you to keep your account private, so I guess you could use that to avoid harassment.
No.1785
>>1779I'm not on twitter but i used to be on tumblr back when the userbase was at it's most deranged. Blocking and ignoring is your friend. Dont respond to bait dont post bait and block anyone who you suspect is going to harass you it doesnt even matter if you have intracted with each other or not. Of course this is the internet so you will never be able to avoid morons but you will avoid a callout if you dont argue with them just block them.
Also to avoid doxing dont post your name or the city you live in and where you work
No.1786
>>1742>writing a coffee shop AU without the express intention of pairing the fresh from school barista with an older man who comes in and sits reading with a bored and/or troubled face, something something, yakuza maybeHonestly I still don't get how people can write them without some kind of further narrative setting/elements. Granted I've not read any coffee shop AU, but everyone makes it sound like they're just that and nothing extra. Put some fucking spice on your chicken.
No.1787
>>1785Yeah but if you don't have any doxable info up, how does getting called out even matter?
No.1788
>>1787I guess it could matter if you want to receive messages, replies and comment when you post stuff, but on most websites you can remove that option anyway.
No.1790
What's up with people sperging out about Coffeeshop AUs?
I see it here and there but I can't imagine anyone forcing you to read them, and unlike ftm fics which are sometimes not tagged as such it's not like you can stumble on them by accident
So what's the big deal?
No.1791
>>1787You can still get dogpilled with harassment therefore it's easier to just block people while the drama is minor so you don't have to deal with a bunch of people at once
>>1790 >What's up with people sperging out about Coffeeshop AUs?I honestly don't think coffe shop AU are as common as people claim. I rarely see them and when I do they are usually really short. I also disagree with the
>>1786 that there never are conflict. Coffee shop is just a setting for the characters to meet. Usually only the first chapter takes place at a coffee shop and the rest of the story just deals with internalized homophobia/homophobia/jealous exes/miscommunication/etc. or what else kind of conflicts that appears in generic short fics
No.1792
>>1790>>1791I don't see them as much as I used to, they were much bigger in the early 2010s. For me it's an extension of all the problems with Modern AUs. It's removing all of the appeal of the OG work and most of the time feels like OCs wearing the skin of the characters I'm looking for.
I'm not usually upset unless it takes up a significant portion of the fanbases writing, but unless the source material is already set in the contemporary real-world I just don't think the story will be very good.
No.1795
>>1790>>1786 here, I think more than anything I'm frustrated by the amount of complaints I always see about them. Whenever fanfiction comes up in a fandom someone will turn up and go "FUCK COFFEE SHOP AUs" and then conversation gets derailed into grumbling about florists and other modern AU tropes. I try to suggest ways in which these settings could be interesting and get rude responses that "coffee shop AUs do not have that" or that the presence of a coffee shop in an idea I've explained makes it bad ("gave me an aneurysm reading it" was one I got recently, like holy fuck how are you alive at this point). I'm one of those idiots who can throw out fifty thousand elaborate ideas without sitting down to write a single one, so it drives me mad that people just aren't thinking of more to do with the settings, especially if they still have the ability to write it. How do their brains work?
Sorry my original comment was so basic, but god, if they were all spicier I'd hope there'd be less blanket hate for it that people feel the need to wave like a flag. Don't just hate on the concept, make the concept fun for yourself.
>>1792Well put. I've definitely read some modern AUs that felt that way, and in some fandoms (particularly danmei) there's an overabundance of modern AU that don't seem to make any attempt to replicate the circumstances and backgrounds of characters. I believe pretty strongly that if a character is shaped by something in their past then an AU needs to have an equivalent event to explain their behaviour, and if you drop both an equivalent event and their canon behaviour without referencing them at all then what did you even write? It all smudges together into a bunch of indistinct internet-savvy pretty boys, sipping boba and going clothes shopping or whatever. If I wanted that I'd be reading RPF about boybands.
My favorite modern AUs are always of fantasy/supernatural series where they kept some fantastical element whether all the characters believe in it or not. I know it's because I'm heavily biased to genre fiction, but it's such a good hook to throw in a dimension hopping magic man or reveal a secret society of monster hunters. I will read the cliche "wait magic exists?!?! Bwuuuuh?!" scene a million times, thank you. I will also accept the ones where the guy who said that turns out to be the demon summoning mastermind all along.
No.1796
>>1795>It all smudges together into a bunch of indistinct internet-savvy pretty boys, sipping boba and going clothes shopping or whateverYou've kinda explained why they get bitched about so much. Like
>>1792 said they just… tend to skin the OG work of any and everything beyond the character's look, most of the time. I don't exactly think it's IMPOSSIBLE for CShop AUs to be interesting, but more often than not they just aren't. Maybe I'm being a little unfair since I hardly read AUs of this specific type that often, but they rarely seem to do anything interesting. The bulk of the time it's stuff like [Char A] is a down-on-his-luck barista, or [Char B] has fallen in love with [Char A] after seeing him work at his favorite shop, etc. In all honesty, I feel it's less the trope itself and more what it's come to represent. At this point it's not just "reeee coffee shops bad" it's "reeee fics where the characters are incredibly far removed from the bulk of the things that made them fun bad", which CShop fics have come to represent to a T for more than a few people. In all honesty, you could say it's bitching about OOC with extra steps. CShops is just a trope that has become nigh impossible to separate from the belief that all the characters in it will be sanded down "uwu" soft-boys that share little with the OG characters beyond their looks and names. Is it unfair that it now has that view in the average online space? Sure. I'm not gonna shriek at anyone for liking it, sometimes you have those tropes that you just love to indulge in, anytime anywhere. It's just something that grew beyond what it honestly was in the eyes of netizens.
>Tl;drCoffe Shop AUs have transcended beyond what they actually are at their core (alt universe that has the bulk of its plot occur in or relate to a coffee shop) and instead came to represent something else entirely (shitfics that are boring, with largely ooc characters and are all around fucking lame) in the eyes of a lot of people.
No.1814
someone filled out an art prompt on a kinkmeme and uploaded it to privatter
which is fine, BUT they made it so only their followers could view it. Maybe I'm just dumb but doesn't that defeat the purpose of a kink meme where people can make anonymous requests?? What if the anon who made the request didn't follow the artist?
And I know you can just follow the artist and then unfollow them after you have seen the art but it's a matter of principle.
some kinkmemes on LJ had a rule that you could not disclose who you where in the meme itself which I prefer. Modern kink memes are struggling to survive as it is and I don't want to see them turn into a clout chasing gigs or as a form for self promotion
No.1815
>>1814samefag. the artist has protected their tweets so you can't even follow-unfollow them to see the art. I respect artists privacy but what's the point of doing a public prompt fill if you are going to limit the result to your followers? I hope the anon who made the request is following the artist otherwise I feel bad for them that they can't see the art based on their request=___=
No.1817
>>1815I would politely message them since they are probably just a noob and don't know all the proper etiquette. I don't use twitter so I don't know if you can message them there when they've protected stuff. If you can do it in private I would, otherwise on the kinkmeme itself just ask for an Imgur link and give a heads up that you can't access it.
All the kinkmemes I ever used let you deanon to post on your tumblr or fanfic accounts but wouldn't allow you to link to it on the meme itself. It's a good balance to allow people to keep their work without removing the anonymity of the meme.
No.1835
>>1834I feel like it's all in how you handle it. Don't go into defense mode and don't get angry, just politely and firmly state your point of view.
If they're real friends they'll agree to disagree on the matter. Dumb followers might be dicks and leave, but the actual people who respect you should understand.
No.1836
>>1834>>1835I wouldn't even respond to it, tbh. These people thrive off drama and any response is like a drug to them regardless of how calm it is. Just act like they're invisible.
No.1837
>>1834What fandom spaces are there anymore? Twitter?
No.1838
>>1834I'm in the same position but honestly I'm not worried at all.
For some reason on my Tumblr blog on the section "blogs like this one" has a radfem blog even if I have never touched political discussion on Tumblr.
If they ask me if I'm a terf I'll say no, and I won't ingage in any political skirmish.
No.1840
>>1836I see where you're coming from and agree with you a bit. I wouldn't respond to callouts or make a post bringing attention to the situation. But what if there was undeniable proof, and my friends were to personally message me asking about it? I don't think it'd be a good idea at all to just ignore them.
>>1835 's solution seems like the right thing to do in that situation.
>>1837Social media, yes. The fandom I'm most well known in is actually not fujo at all and is infested with TIMs
guess that's what I get for liking cute anime girls, so if I were to be exposed… eugh, lord help me.
No.1841
Is it a good idea to put "they/them" and "pansexual" in the bio of my nsfw art account so when I post 100% yaoi hentai I'm guaranteed to never get outed as a pwobwenatic fetishizing cis straight fujoshi? I feel like just trying to subtly hide it won't be good enough, if I just outright pretend to be a genderspecial kweer that might be a better strategy since anyone who questions my 100% valid identity is a violent transphobe.
I'm surprised more fujos haven't thought of this yet. Or maybe they have and all the other they/them or fakeboi yaoi artists are also fujos in hiding.
No.1842
>>1841That's a sign of defeat and shame that I just don't feel. There is nothing wrong with enjoying yaoi, I'm not going pretend to be something I'm not just so people don't harass me.
Same thing with "terfs" I do think think it's ever possible to change gender. I don't harass people about it, but I'm not going to lie if asked point blank.
People on the internet need to grow up and learn to interact with people who disagree with them.
No.1843
>>1842Also people who put "don't follow" or "dni" in their bio are hilarious to me.
It's like they can't comprehend someone who is interested in their art but not their ideologies.
No.1846
>>1844>>1845I don't like labeling a group of fans or people but the worst experience I ever had in fandom was in a Touhou discord server and I'd like to vent since I've never told anyone about it. Forgive the blog post.
So I've loved Touhou since I was a young teen, shoot'em up is one of my favorite genres and I loved the character designs. Wriggle is best girl BTW. Anyway I got invited to a server at some point for remixing the music. I think it was because I did daycore videos but I don't exactly remember who invited me. Regardless, after my first day there I get a dm from someone who claimed to also be a girl and stated that "us girls gotta stick together." I was a little put off since I'm not normally pegged as a girl online and I thought the tone was off. After reverse searching their name I realized they were mtf I was put off even more.
I tried to stay friendly but at one point a few weeks later after another "it's so nice to have another girl into Touhou" message I asked upfront if they were trans. When they admitted they were they immediately started asking way more invasive questions. Stuff like "how often do you masturbate" and "do you ever rub yourself off at work?"
Totally off putting, but he would also repeatedly talk about his depression and suicidal ideation. He had failed college and his parents didn't approve of him. I didn't want to cut ties and cause him to kill himself.
After a while the questions led into him talking about how much he wished he could have periods and get pregnant. The whole thing culminated in him goading me into a few voice calls that made me so uncomfortable I blocked him. Our interactions had last about 4 months.
The head of the server also later turned out to be a 40 year old man who had previously been jailed for CP possession. Which was hilarious because he was one of those adamant anti-loli types who had previously image banned me for a mildly suggestive Cirno image. Whole server was a shitshow.
Games are still great, I've loved Touhou for a long time and one bad experience wouldn't ruin it. However, since this event 2 years ago I have only used Discord to talk to people I know IRL.
No.1847
>>1846This is why I always pretend to be a male online (with this site being one of the few exceptions). You literally cannot oust yourself as female online without some male or troon acting like some sort of predator. Doesn't help that my hobbies/interests are male-dominated too.
>I didn't want to cut ties and cause him to kill himself. This is another thing. It's bad to get close to anyone online or things like this happen. Most people who are chronically online are mentally ill, especially troons.
>anti-loli type turns out to be a criminalAs much as I find lolicons to be some of the most annoying of the porn addicts, antis always have something in the closet. There's a reason why you should just block and/or ignore instead of paying attention and complaining about the things you dislike. 2D is not 3D.
>However, since this event 2 years ago I have only used Discord to talk to people I know IRL.Same with me, apart of one fandom server that I rarely post in. Discord is too cancerous for my tastes. It's truly unfortunately that you had to go through that experience.
And also yes, Wriggle is truly best girl.
No.1849
>>1846Absolutely awful. I'm sorry you had to deal with that for four fucking months. I myself had a somewhat similar experience with a Touhou tranny. I've been trying to type everything up, but I am absolutely awful with words so I'll just list some of the more, uh, notable things he's done.
>had been involved in weird drama for as long as I knew him, even before he trooned out>posted self harm photos, faked suicide once>groomed a young teenage old girl into ERPing and trading nude photographs with him>when he trooned out, he said he wanted to change his name to my name. obviously I said fuck no, and thankfully my friends took my side and he never did. Instead, he started going by the name of the young girl he groomed (changed it again later, but Jesus Fucking Christ Dude What The Fuck)>posted to this site about how he was proud to be a degenerate and ran a server dedicated to sharing loli, shota and cub porn. also posted something along the lines of "is it bad to look at children lustfully?">later on, he joined this server I was in because the owner was retarded enough to believe him when he said he was trying to change for the better>starts dming me personal questions, for example asking if I liked to see the blood run down my arms when I cut myself>straight up defends pedophilia in the server, this is enough for the owner to realize that this guy is fucked up. Thankfully, he left on his own because he realized that literally all of us hated him>got back with the girl he groomed previously, thankfully they broke up later onsorry for the repost, I'm retarded and said I had screenshots of him defending pedophilia but I looked at them and they're screenshots of the server owner defending him because Muh Change. I can still post those if you'd like, we also discuss a lot of things he did in those No.1850
>>1846>>1847What is up with Wriggle being the most popular with girls? I love her too, always wanted to cosplay her.
I had a sucky childhood that led me to develop a fear of offline girls (despite being one myself) and Touhou was so liberating, nobody going brainless for a dude or being caught up in stuff that I couldn't relate to like makeup and school, only strong women beating the shit out of each other and being based on awesome mythical things. They wore floofy girly clothing that looked more comfy than sexy, and the stories were about gag stuff, action, or getting along, and there were fun ships that could be looked up if one was into it, but I don't recall any shipping wars on the level of crazy.
Picrel is best girl no. 2, Mokou's fuck-off attitude and utter hobo life gives me hope.
No.1852
I'm so, so done with the fluffy BL shit. Like, I'm a lover of soft, slice-of-life meaningless stories and all, but it's maddening how you can't find a good story or even a good fanfiction without all the sappy, "I love you, I love you baby." shit. LET THEM FUCK! Stick the dick in the hole!
>>1850I feel like this is definitely a sign to get into Touhou. Seems pretty legit.
No.1853
>>1850>I had a sucky childhood that led me to develop a fear of offline girlsSame, but I would say fear and disconnection at the same time, plus offline boys included.
>Touhou was so liberating, nobody going brainless for a dude or being caught up in stuff that I couldn't relate to like makeup and schoolThe mythological and mythical aspect of TouHou was what pulled me in. Wakasagihime is one of my favourites based on a mythical creature.
>wore floofy girly clothing that looked more comfy than sexy,That's what I love abouty their designs.
It gives them a unique feel I haven't seen anywhere else. I know it's a basic choice, but Cirno's one of my favourite.
Wish more authors made their female characters look comfortable instead of trying to look appealing to a male audience.
No.1855
>>1854some more: You wont die if you just don't hide being a genuine fujo on twitter (especially twitter, from personal experience). Free yourself. The trash will take itself out.
No.1856
>>1852I almost always add angst as a tag to my searches whenever I'm look for fics in a new famdom to avoid stuff like that.
Also anytime just about any character says "babe" or "baby" it takes me out of the story.
No.1857
>>1855>>1854Maybe you're right and I am just paranoid. It's just from seeing some artists a few years back (badturquoise, kawanocy, avasdemon, to name a few specifically) get publicly called out for drawing stuff deemed pRoBlEmAtIc!!1! by some retards on instagram and they were totally fucking brigaded by a huge mob of brainlets, and now I see people saying "if I catch you following this artist I'm blocking you!" Not only do the artists get called out, but then all their followers get harassed. I think badturquoise even got completely deplatformed from being cancelled.
I saw one he/him lesbian twitter retard artist get super triggered for some reason over ONE (1) drawing by a popular but "cancelled" artist getting a lot of likes on twitter, so she made a thread saying everything said artist did wrong and said that nobody should be liking their art and she's blocking all of her followers who she catches liking their art. As retarded as that sounds those "warning posts" for problematic artists are common on braindead websites and some of those posts gain a shit ton of traction, effectively shutting down any positive attention the artists may be getting from a good drawing of theirs going viral. If a cancelled artist works on some sort of project like a game or something there's tons of callout posts saying to never support x project because of the one artist who did bad thing. This might hurt artists financially too if they're freelancers and they finally land a paid gig that has good potential. They're literally not allowed to have any success at all.
I guess that's what made me paranoid about being openly a fujoshi, I think to myself "what if the retards decide to brigade me next?" Like I know it's stupid but artists have been literally doxxed before over petty cancelling bullshit. Being a fujo is pretty tame compared to some other stuff I've seen people get cancelled for, but the thing is people just get more sensitive. About 10-15 years ago nobody got brigaded and doxxed by thousands of people for being a "proshipper" or drawing a naked 17-year old, but nowadays it's become the ultimate sin because people have gotten exponentially more sensitive and thin-skinned. How long until people get even more sensitive and see being a harmless fujo as the ultimate sin?
Maybe I am just paranoid for no good reason and I'm being way too autistic about it.
No.1862
>>1857>I saw one he/him lesbian twitter retard artist get super triggered for some reason over ONE (1) drawing by a popular but "cancelled" artist getting a lot of likes on twitter, so she made a thread saying everything said artist did wrong and said that nobody should be liking their art and she's blocking all of her followers who she catches liking their art. The fact that the "terrible" artists are getting so many likes and are so popular proves that these types of people are just a very vocal minority.
At the end of the day they're fair-weather followers and not the kind of people you'd want to associate with.
While there are definitely cases of big name people being cut from things after controversy, they usually end up on different projects. I also can't think of a fujo example. Closest thing that comes to mind is Rebecca Sugar's EEnE porn, but literally nothing happened except some outrage.
What I'm saying in way too many words is that talent will always win out regardless of how angry some Twitter users get.
No.1868
>>1867LMAOOOOO this is hilarious!! i don't think she understood what
>>939 >>940
>>945 >>950 were critizing her for
No.1869
>>1867Well this is embarrassing. Why did she feel the need to make a post about this to embarrass herself even further?
No.1870
>>1869either dumb teen or personality disorder.
No.1890
>>1856I feel the same way, it's just too cringey, both in fiction and irl.
>>1869My nigga, just take a look at her twitter bio. I think that explains everything you need to know about this person.
No.1893
>>1890>My nigga, just take a look at her twitter bio. I think that explains everything you need to know about this person.it's an explanation for her attention whoring behavior then
No.1896
I hate that the fandom for my OTP is infested with Aidens, even worse that they insist that one half of it is a TIM so they have an excuse to hetbend while keeping their woke points. I wish I could find more normal fujos who like the ship, but the fandom has only gotten worse over the past few years.
No.1898
>>1896I wish this was a curse I could cast on my NOTPs lmao
No.1901
>>1896I feel you. What's your OTP?
No.1902
Twitter's on it's way out, so I've been looking at instances on Mastodon. And nearly all of them ban R-18 art of underage fictional minors, even if it's not Lolisho.
What happened?? A fujoshi with a ship in high school is considered the same as a loli guy??? I hate that lolisho is a "poison pill" that has to be allowed in order to get spaces for BL and GL.
No.1903
>>1902>What happened?Twitter.
No.1904
I HATE Discord for fan-content. I mainly just want to browse and discussion and Discord is so fucking bad for the longevity of posts. Plus it's all behind a wall that you need an invite for, I don't want to join a server full of meming 13 year olds I just want to read headcannons and theories.
Gosh I miss Livejournal and Tumblr, blogging was so much better for fandom.
>>1902What about Pawoo? Don't know much about it since it's all in Japanese but I think they allow R-18 of anything. I usually just use Pixiv for all my fanart and I've noticed a lot of people who have been banned off Twitter have accounts there.
Anyone know much about Pillowfort? I've seen some people leave Tumblr for it but I'm not sure of their R-18 policies.
>>1903Musk is actually buying it so people are threatening to leave. I doubt it will be on the level of the Tumblr exodus, but I'm sure some people will migrate.
No.1905
>>1904The fediverse that hosts pawoo and the other servers is set up so that pawoo is "isolated" from the rest of the network by admins. Useful if you don't want to see bots and anti vaxxer conspiracies, less so when the admins block based on petty biases. Power tripping mods were one part of the older internet that I don't miss.
And pillowfort bans R-18 of "fictional characters who otherwise can be definitively and reasonably identified as minors, and lacks legitimate artistic, political, literary, or scientific value."
Make of that what you will.
No.1906
>>1904>but I'm sure some people will migrateI wouldn't be too sure. Yeah some people will leave, but they'll be back in a day or two. They're just addicted to that dopamine and no other site makes being a moron as rewarding. Unless Musk does something crazy like banning people for being trans, nothing will come out of it.
And about Discord, I'll just take this opportunity to vent about something.
Anyways, I was on this Discord for an anime I like, and people sperged out about nsfw of a character that's a "minor". The thing is, said minor hits 19 by the end of the series, and nothing about his design can tell you how old he is, aside from how to tall he is compared to other characters. Same people went ahead and laughed at a George Floyd meme.
You know things are bad when even the edgelords are moralfagging, I honestly don't know where we went wrong.
No.1907
>>1906That "moralfagging" is just disguised "stop liking what I don't like" in a new packaging. they just want to scare people into not doing it.
No.1908
>>1904Discord feels very clique-y. I'm in a small server dedicated to a rarepair. Nobody posts in it except me and I'm pretty sure that everyone is getting tired of my sperging. Most of the memebers are already friends so they already have their own servers where they most likely discuss the ship so it renders this server useless for them. It's just hard to get to know people over discord even on a small server.
I highly doubt people will leave twitter and if they do they are just going to migrate to an even more shitty platform like discord or tiktok. Ideally Dreamwidth will become big but it's inactive
but I don't even use it so I'm being a hypocrite No.1909
>>1902Honestly, I wish there were different websites for different interests, like this website for instance. I really dislike the idea of everything being concentrated on one website like Twitter or Reddit.
No.1910
>>1909You're 15+ years too late.
No.1911
>>1909Same, I've always been more active on imageboard than any other sites, but small fan-forums used to be the shit. I have fond memories of scrolling through threads on several cartoon-related forums whenever new episodes of shows I was into dropped.
To be honest though I don't think I'd mind things being more centralized if the main sites weren't total shit. It's so apparent they're designed for the mobile experience and not us desktop users. And while I fucked up my typing here
>>1904 I want to reiterate that these sites are not built for the longevity of posts. They're designed for a quick dopamine rush and not the actual art or meaningfulness of the posts in question. If you're interested in something and want to have it in the future you better save it and upload it to a booru or fic-archive because it will be an absolute bitch to find later.
Infinity scroll is horrible, and I miss when sites like Devianart had actual search functions. When Furaffinity and Hentai Foundry have better search features than massive sites like Twitter we have a problem.
No.1912
>>1911>Infinity scroll is horriblenta I like tumblr's personal blog with tag system. Then you can easily find the artist art. While on twitter you are forced to scroll trough every meme and gacha game screenshot and merch haul photo just to see art
No.1914
>>1911>It's so apparent they're designed for the mobile experience and not us desktop users.This is what personally killed the whole online experience for me. This isn't specifically BL or fandom related but I just remember how the internet used to have much more personnality back then. You had sites that people coded all by themselves and everything was customizable. I remember the old youtube banners. I remember when having a desktop blog for tumblr was the norm (instead of the mobile UI now). I remember skype mood (even if it wasn't as customizable it was still a way for people to just post what their current thoughts were). I remember how people could customize their Deviantart profile (even if you needed to buy the Premium Membership/Core Membership to unlock full potential). Notice how now you have to go through a paywall for customization. For discord you need Nitro if you even want to have the oldschool fun of having a decorated profile. For steam you need to pass levels to even unlock the possibility to add stuff to your profile (end I remember how it was much more difficult to get backgrounds before the point shop system since you either had to get it traded or have to get it through crafting badges). To reinterate for Deviantart, back when people still used it you had to buy Premium Membership/Core Membership to unlock full customization potential. Those things came for free in the begining. It was odd to see self-expression get supressed by a paywall like this. But even that didn't last. Now the whole internet is bland and designed for mobile. So you can't even have the luxury to pay for more customization (there's still sites such as Neocities thankfully, but it's all became a niche). On Twitter or Instagram (and youtube now… and tbh the majority of all social media platforms) all profiles look exactly the same. I've had people tell me they prefer it like this because at least there won't the experience of consulting an eye-bleeding myspace profile again but I can tell these people haven't experienced the older internet when they say stuff like that. I'd take consulting some random ugly profile that someone at least took their time constructing over something bland and same like the current internet. I guess I'm not the only one with this sentiment because I see people creating carrd's for themselves. But I feel a bit sad for the state of carrd because it doesn't quite feel like a profile and I almost never spend as much time there than I do on a regular person's profile. It feels like it's lacking in the way people use it since they mainly use it to help you find their other (bland) social medias.
(The body was too long, i'll reply to myself)
No.1915
>>1914(continuation of the post)
As you said, anon, this is the result of the internet shifting from desktop to mobile. It sucks. As much as I enjoy my phone for allowing me to connect to the internet and browse it when I am not home it HURTS me to know this is where the internet norm is now. Plus the mobile experience is much more compact, you can't multitask and see/do as much as on desktop. I don't even use my phone that often anyway. If I could wish to go back to a world where phones weren't as popular I'd do it. I got a smart phone pretty late compared to most kids my age too and when I did get it I almost never used it and stayed on my computer.
Sometimes I just have hatred for Steve Jobs for introducing the IPhone. As much as it was a technological revolution all he did is drown the internet down the shitter and because of this I will never forgive this man. Anyway autistic rant over.
No.1916
>>1904>Gosh I miss Livejournal and Tumblr, blogging was so much better for fandom. I think my personal ideal would be for AO3 to start some fandom blogging thing with LJ-like communities. They really feel like the last bastion of that old-fandom-feel that almost everyone uses, or would still use due to their good reputation.
>>1915>Sometimes I just have hatred for Steve Jobs for introducing the IPhoneAin't that the absolute truth.
No.1921
>>1919Do you post on archive of our own? I only really ever see positive comments on there no matter the subject the story tackles. Or maybe that's just the fandoms I'm in.
No.1925
>>1921I do post on Ao3, most people are nice but you definitely get the occasional flames. The site makes it very easy to moderate your feedback. You can set it so comments don't auto post and you have to review them, there is also the ability to prevent non-members from commenting so you don't get anon hate.
I'm stubborn so I just let people flame my stories, but even with that 95% of the feedback is positive or at least constructive. One of the best modern fandom sites.
Way better than tumblr where half the posts tagged with my problematic ships are people bemoaning the fact that some people enjoy them *coughcough* reimob *coughcough*
No.1926
>>1922I was thinking about getting into figure collecting
Wish there were more figures of cute boys :P
No.1935
>>1933>Back when I was a teen I spent so much time on the internet because it provided me basic human needs that I couldn't get from real life at allThat sentence cut deep…
No.1936
>>1933I agree. Never liked chat programs because chat is not for me, I prefer lengthy discussions via text. That seems to be gone at this point.
No.1937
>>1933For me it's the other way around. I was too shy as a teen and too wary of strangers to talk to people online so I would just lurk. Now I have finally gotten over my shyness but it's a little too late. Socializing over the internet is annoying now
No.1938
>>1937I'm in the same exact boat, nonna. Lurked all of my fandoms religiously but never ever talked to anyone in them, and I'm so mad at myself for that.
I'm still mostly a lurker, but I do actually leave comments on fics and fanart I like so that's… something, I guess?
No.1939
>>1938>I'm so mad at myself for thatThere is a feeling of regret… If I only knew how bad things would be;-;
>I'm still mostly a lurker, but I do actually leave comments on fics and fanart I like so that's… something, I guess?haha same nonnie. I feel silly for avoid doing this for so long but it feels good to let the artist/author know I like their work. Even if I normally avoid interacting with people
No.1940
>>1937lol are you me? I have always been a lurker, setting your profile and putting personal info about you was annoying for me
No.1941
I joined an old fandom and many fanartist and fanfic writer just stopped posting around 2016-2017. They had been active in the fandom for almost a decade and some of them even longer. I just can't wrap my head around why that specific time period is where many of them left. Maybe they all just thought they had gotten too old for online fandom or maybe there had happened some drama around that time I'm not aware of. I do remember that fandom had a bad reputation around that time but every big fandom has had that without so many people jumping ship
There still are newer people in the fandom who makes content but all the legendary giants are gone or have joined new fandoms. I really regret not getting into earlier. I wish I could've been part of this fandom at it's peak
No.1943
>>1941>2016-2017This is around the time antis became "a thing" to the degree that the name was coined. If there was problematic shipping in the fandom that was popular (age gap, incest, power imbalance, whatever), there might have been an aggressive enough pushback against it that the artists/writers just peaced out or put stuff in a private community.
No.1944
>>1943According to a tech buddy, it may also have been new laws on the internet making it possible to get people auto-banned based on how much the person got reported, rather than the person actually breaking the TOS in any way.
These things happened due to laws about kiddie porn on the interwebz, supposedly.
I think also this may have been around the time that people started getting banned for not agreeing with trans stuff, which probably made a whole lot of people just go 'nope'. I know it took me a long, long time to try and get back to fandom after that time, and even now I don't want to interact with most people who repost my work, they seem like immature babies who genuinely think that refusing to engage with people they don't agree with is the opposite of bigoted. They also demand people to refer to them as sexed when the beauty of the internet should be that sex isn't visible in that way.
This is why it's so important for fujoshi to have their own spaces run by themselves.
No.1946
>>1943Isn't 2016-2017 also right in the aftermath of the whole Klance debacle? I wasn't part of the fandom and only lurked in other ones, but that seemed to change a lot of how people interact within fandoms and with M/M shipping in particular. Though Trump and the backlash to his campaign definitely played a larger part in general
No.1947
>>1943>>1944>>1945>>1946I think in the case of the artists I'm thinking about, they had all gotten backlash since the livejournal days and they where pretty good at handling it. Going trough their inactive socials it also seems like they only got praise, unless they have deleted harassment.
But I do think you are all on to something. The climate in online spaces did change a lot during that time due to different factors. So even if you didn't get harassed it was still exhausting to be part of fandom. There has always been fandom wank but it has become more "rightous" the last couple of years. Either people think they are doing a grand statement and standing up for censorship or they think they are the protectors of human rights and it's just…. too much
No.1952
>>1946This is out of pure curiosity, but what was the exact reason why Sheith was hated so much? I've never watched Voltron before. I know it was probably because it rivaled Klance, but what was it about Sheith that warranted so much hatred?
No.1953
>>1952The TLDR is that people hated it because they thought it was "problematic".
I remember people calling it pedophilic (because of the age gap) and incestuous (because they've said things like "you're like a brother to me" to each other, and a lot of people believed that Shiro adopted and raised Keith)
No.1954
>>1953Do you think that if Shiro was thin and short like Keith then Sheith wouldn't have been as hated?
No.1956
>>1953>incestuous (because they've said things like "you're like a brother to me" to each otherThis has got to be because of genuine, non-buzzword autism. I can't comprehend it being anything else. Same shit happened in Genshin fandom.
No.1958
>>1945I genuinely wish some other language that isn't English would go global so that everybody could learn it and talk in a language that isn't used by the most annoying people on this planet. People from English speaking countries will never learn another language anyway so it would be a great way of filtering them because I swear they are the worst fandoms. Whenever I find a sane person from the US it turns out they are actually an immigrant from some Asian country or a Mexican.
And yeah fuck the centralization it never did anything good and social media is made for drama and self-shilling, it was never intended to be "social", it was always about self-advertising.
No.1959
>>1952To my understanding:
Earlier on in the series it seemed like Klance was going to be a classic red/blue rival ship–easy sell, right? This traditionally written in stone dynamic drummed up an insane amount of fans and fanwork that snowballed in between season hiatuses (~6 months).
However, as the series progressed that dynamic was not developed and Keith was written to have his own thing going on. He was regularly away from the main cast for spoiler reasons and Lance didn't appear to be on his mind much, especially not to the degree that would normally fuel a rival ship over a physical distance (like Naruto and Sasuke). Fans felt betrayed and the crazier ones did some really wild shit (blackmail the animators to make Klance canon with leaks).
On the flipside Shieth was getting nice character moments and while they were also not physically on screen with each other as much, it was clear they considered the other important. This led to what
>>1953 said. It's worth noting that this crusade is essentially the atom bomb that went off and irradiated present day fandom with "antis".
I've seen people argue that they were queerbatied with season 1 Klance but I'm just not seeing it. I've posted here before that I got "tricked" into watching Voltron early on because the porn was so good but came out of the series with no strong feelings about any ship. If any queerbaiting happened it was because the fandom was licking crumbs off the floor and assumed there was a buffet coming.
No.1961
Isn't Voltron just poor man's mecha pseudo-anime watered down for Westerners? Thank god they never went on to latch onto anything good, because lots of Japanese mecha is full of homolust and they could have just as easily destroyed those fandoms, too.
No.1963
>>1961>Japanese mecha is full of homolust Can I ask what series did you find that in particular
No.1964
>>1914I remind me of how pissed I was when twitter started to look really bland. Before you could pick whatever background you wanted (either a solid color of your choice, a background picture proposed by twitter itself, or one of you own pictures), the icons were squares and not round, etc. I miss that so much.
No.1965
>>1958>People from English speaking countries will never learn another language anyway so it would be a great way of filtering themYou're not taking into account ameriboos whose second language is English and who spread this bs to whatever communities they're into in their first language. Many online French weebs are annoying because they copypaste american SJW arguments and ideas online, in English and in French.
No.1966
>>1963If you throw a dart on a montage of random mecha anime there's a very good chance you'll land on something either with fujobait in it or copious amounts of hot men in spandex with deep bonds. At the top of my head, Gundam, Soukyuu no Fafner, Code Geass, Aldnoah Zero, etc. were really popular with fujos. I'm honestly shocked by how many people aren't aware of this these days, because fujos being attracted to mecha like moths to flame was always a huge joke/stereotype.
No.1967
>>1966didn't one of the creators of Gundam say that he doesn't consider fanboys who collects figures and kits to be fans. He consider the female shippers the true fans because they focused more on the characters rather than the robots.
Gundam was the first mecha that dealt with the psychological effects of war
No.1969
>>1968Male creators have a tendency to push away their female fans so it's really refreshing to see a man shoe gratitude towards his female fans. Thank you for the source nonny❤️
No.1973
>>1948Everything someone does, even something like participating in fandom, must now be contextualized through the lens of furthering social justice lest you be the equivalent of some alt-right nazi. This hits fandoms/hobbies/etc that are aimed at and primarily composed of women especially hard: women are socialized and expected to care about other's feelings first and foremost, and anything we do has to be justified as being to someone else's benefit. Hence all the women/girls identifying out of being women to avoid this(whether it be full on trans or simply she/theying out) or justifying shipping male characters together for "representation" rather than enjoyment.
Fujos have always been despised, we're an easy target. But even the most innocuous things women enjoy like fucking cottagecore get whole thinkpieces written on how its colonialist or some bullshit. Meanwhile, men get to goon to lolis with a slap on the wrist at most.
No.1974
>>1973This is something that has always puzzled. Why are women always questioned for their interests? People constantly question women on why we like stuff like True Crime, but men never get questioned on why they like war movies/war stuff. Men never get accussed of war fetishism.
No.1975
>>1974how could you have hobbies or aspirations outside of being pretty and pleasing people. there must be something else to it. something perverse.
that's the logic, probably. whether they realize it or not.
No.1976
>>1959>I got "tricked" into watching Voltron early on Thinking back even though I was active in the fandom I actually didn't like the show I only watched it because of FOMO. the first episode has a fart joke and a spork joke which I thought was extremely painful. The show's early episodes (never finished it so can't speak for the later seasons) where extremely juvenile which makes sense since it's a children's show. insane that such a show could get such a rabid fanbase
>If any queerbaiting happened it was because the fandom was licking crumbs off the floor and assumed there was a buffet coming.Even as a dumb teenager I thought this. I did follow many adults in the fandom who claimed they where queerbaited which was just embarrassing
No.1977
Got tricked into watching Voltron as well, had previously enjoyed Avatar and was excited to see a different show from some of the same people. Thought Pidge looked cute, was disappointed to learn she was a reverse trap.
I can't remember why I stopped watching, I guess just lack of interest since I never finished the first season.
No.1981
wake up anon it's time to reread all 10 fics of your otp for the millionth time again
No.1982
>>1981Don't remind me. No one likes my embarrassing and extremely unpopular OTP.
No.1983
>>1982>embarrassing and extremely unpopular OTPThe most painful kind of OTP to have… One of my favorite ships has five fucking works on AO3, three of which involve a kink I absolutely cannot read, and the other one being in a language I have very little knowledge of. I'm absolute dog water at writing but I am so fucking close to whipping up something of my own.
Also, something I've noticed is that a lot of us are embarrassed to talk about our ships (myself absolutely included) even though this is an anonymous board full of likeminded fujoshi. I feel like being shy and embarrassed about our interests a widespread fujo struggle.
No.1984
>>1981>OTP have 300 fics on pixiv if you add together reverse (150 each)>not even a single one in EnglishI mean, not that I'd want to read one in English these days, especially after the turbo 4kids-tier localization the extremely Japanese series got, but damn.
No.1985
>>1983>Also, something I've noticed is that a lot of us are embarrassed to talk about our ships (myself absolutely included) even though this is an anonymous board full of likeminded fujoshi. I feel like being shy and embarrassed about our interests a widespread fujo struggle.It makes you vulnerable, but also I think a lot of us just don't like being shit on for our tastes, especially when yaoi and BL is already unpopular.
I have a lot of memories of being on /cm/ and getting insulted, which I guess is to be expected since it's 4chan. However it'd also sometimes happen unexpectedly and make me flee the board for a month. Like posting Kensuke in the NGE thread upsetting a lot of people and causing a lot of fighting. That was pre-Thrice Upon A Time, wonder if he's more popular now. Regardless if a single innocuous character like him, one who isn't even ugly, can upset people it makes me more hesitant to share the fact that I ship stuff like Gendo/Fuyutsuki or anything I know I'm in the minority for liking.
First week using this site I posted some misc ship art in the /wes/ thread and it got called ugly, since then even though I have a lot of content from a bunch of different series I've been hesitant to post. I saw a different anon had that happen to her as well recently in the same thread and it's only reinforced my feelings. It doesn't matter that people jump to the defense of the OG poster usually, it still stings on every site.
There are things I know I can post and people will like, and then there is stuff I personally like. To me the goal is finding the stuff with an overlap and then my other weird ships get to hide on my harddrive.
No.1986
>>1981>acquire some ships I like in newish fandom (Genshit)>get excited when clicking their tags returns at least 1000 fics for each (some of these fuckers have 5k+!)>start browsing, 99.999% of them are "I've tagged every remotely popular ship for engagement"-tier modern AU dogshitKILL EVERYBODY BORN AFTER 1995
>>1985I write generally about the rarer stuff I like just because if anybody cares to look I am one of like three people still active in certain fandom/ship tags and I value relative anonymity, but I'll speak pretty specifically if what I like is so popular it doesn't matter.
Also Kensuke is based just because of all of the Asushin asspain he caused, go back to /cm/ and stir some shit. It's not your fault people get mad about cartoons.
No.1987
>>1985Everything you said is absolutely correct.
>There are things I know I can post and people will like, and then there is stuff I personally like. To me the goal is finding the stuff with an overlap and then my other weird ships get to hide on my harddrive.This, this, this. I have a huge fanart folder for a show I obsess over. I feel like
maybe some anons here like it in a fujo way as well, but I also worry about being judged for it because holy shit is it embarrassing. So, at least for now, it's for my eyes only.
But y'know, at the same time, people who go out of their way to say "you have awful taste, why would you ship that, you're weird" are just assholes. Why even interact with content you hate so much, what's the point? Their opinions really shouldn't matter, but they do anyways. It's just saddening to get shit on for posting the things you enjoy.
No.1988
>>1986I'm in the 'reading fics for ships I hate because the tags promises that my otp will be the background' stage. I'm truly down bad.
No.1989
>>1983I feel you, I am also about to digivolve into a fanfic author because I cannot stand this situation any more.
All my old ships had backlogs of fic so you could always find something worth reading, but my new one has basically nothing despite being from a decades old franchise that is insanely popular.
Maybe I can convince other people into joining me if I start writing fic myself.
No.1990
>>1989>decades old franchiseDid you crawl back to FF.Net to read super old fics like me? We are born to suffer.
No.1991
>>1988Praying for you anon.
No.1992
>>1990Tried. There are 2 fics for OTP there. Both bad. Ship is seriously very unpopular. Gotta write it myself. RIP.
No.1993
>>1986Genshinzoomers really do that? It's well known etiquette that you aren't supposed to tag a pairing unless they actually show up a decent amount. With you on the post 1995 purge
>>1985>Like posting Kensuke in the NGE thread upsetting a lot of people and causing a lot of fighting.Holy kek it got so much worse after 3.0+1.0, mostly because of a few butthurt Asushin/Asukafags who were upset she got shiptease with Kensuke and Asushin got more or less shut down. You couldn't mention Kensuke anywhere on 4chan without some sperg shitting up the whole thread. He was in the thread image at some point last year(winter, I think?) and the thread got inundated so badly the whole thing got deleted after the fact. It was crazy, and /cm/ is such a slow board the mods clearly had no idea what to do. It's died down now that the spammers have given up. Post what you want, when you want to!
Genfuyu is based. Kensuke is a real cutie too, it's a shame so much of the art for him is weird scrote porn
No.1994
>>1985What you said about /cm/ is so true. I remember seeing someone post that they liked a "problematic" ship I liked (JohTen) and someone told them to go to hell.
No.1995
>>1994lolwut how is the board that has shota threads everyday so sensitive
No.1996
>>1995Every thread on that board is insular. The same people aren't frequenting each one.
No.2004
>>1993>aren't supposed to tag a pairing unless they actually show up a decent amount.It's less Genshinzoomers and more weeb zoomers in general. Every really popular ensemble cast IP I've tried to read fic about has this problem, makes me wish it was a reportable offense. "otp: true" helps but it really chaps my ass netiquette has more or less been bred out of modern fandoms.
No.2005
>>2003I think it's back up
No.2006
>>2005Yep! It went back up about 2 hours ago, thank god
No.2007
Whenever I find someone who seems to love the stuff I like, it's a tranny. Often one who wants the whole world to know how much she hates people whose opinions don't align with hers.
These people make me seriously sad. I just want to sperg out about stuff that girls like related to the things I like, seeing hate pop up like that in small, very specific circles is discouraging, especially when the person seemed safe beforehand and posted cool stuff.
No.2017
fellow fujos, how the fuck do i function in a fandom filled with men and little to no other women, let alone fujos? i'm at my wits end here dealing with annoying straight men making everything about themselves and getting pissy when they see anything gay. i want to share what little stuff i make to the wider fandom, but I get ignored because its not big tiddy genderbend waifu getting fucked and knocked up by disembodied cock.
No.2018
>>2017I simply wouldn't participate in the fandom, but I know that's not what you want to hear haha. The closest one I was in that was like this was Warcraft and my cope there was that fanfiction/roleplay blogs still skewed heavily female-written (or at least AFABs) so I limited myself to Ao3/tumblr.
If the fandom is small enough you could also just preemptively block every man then carry on as usual.
No.2019
>>2017Try making a blog dedicated to it on tumblr and keep posting in the tag until you gain a few female followers who are willing to talk to you about it. I have followed blogs before in small fandoms or fandoms that doesn't have many female fans so it's nice to have one person who makes the content I want to see.
Otherwise make a thread about it either on here or on lolcow
No.2020
>>2017>genderbendIs the cast mostly male? that should make it easier. Anyways, I'm not sure where you discuss it, but whenever I am on a situation like that, I post yaoi fanart while discussing something like powerlevels or whatever. People usually let it slide, aside from a couple "kys faggot" replies. It's also a good way to test the waters and see if anybody else is interested in the art I posted.
No.2031
you guys think it's poor form to request something on your fandom's kink meme and also write your own version of it at the same time? i think it's a 10/10 prompt, not one of those ones where it's way too point by point.
i'm a shit kink writer, mine will probably never get finished haha.
No.2068
>>2067You know what you have to do, Anon.
…befriend good authors and manipulate them into writing what you want to read!
No.2071
>>2070They probably read everything worth reading in whatever tag they were browsing (and maybe even the stuff that wasn't worth reading). I know this feel. I think we all do.
No.2072
>>2068I'm trying to write something of my own, actually. I've reached that point of desperation.
>>2071This is it. It's happened with every single fandom I'm reading for at the moment. The one I'm currently obsessed with is really small, though it has grown a bit. Still, we only get like two fics a week at the very most. And they usually aren't even good. I'm so sick of scraping the bottom of the barrel, I'm rattling the bars of my cage right now I'm about to go fucking insane
No.2114
>>2020I do that on /m/ sometimes.
>>1966 No.2115
>>2113I think the first image is referring to the types of BL people of certain sexualities tend to enjoy. I have no fucking clue what the others mean though
No.2116
>>2113this is what i understand from the second one
>gay straightThey look like two gay boys, but they're actually a straight couple
>gay yuriThey look like two boys, but they're actually lesbian girls (correct me if im wrong)
>lesbian yaoiThey look like two lesbian girls (lol not really true tbh), but they're gay boys
No.2117
>>2116'Lesbian yaoi' chicks are chicks from a series where men don't exist and half of womanity is raised as psedo-men
No.2118
>>2113the straight men yaoi should be replaced with femboys
No.2119
>>2113I don't get the lesbian yaoi thing, and if I try to ask anyone wtf they mean by it they don't answer seriously or are too vague for me to understand. am I just trying to take a joke too seriously or something?
No.2120
>>2119I thinks it's called lesbian yaoi, because it has darker themes and tones in story and character, as you can see in
>>2113 the anime boy is drawn depressed. I think that stems from the stereotype that lesbians like more heavy/sad stories.
Or maybe just like how
>>2116 said, maybe because they look like girls.
No.2121
>>2113fake and gay, im a lesbo and straight men yaoi rules
No.2122
>>2120So "lesbian" because the characters are female and "yaoi" because the target audience isn't straight men looking for fap material?
No.2123
>>2122>So "lesbian" because the characters are female and "yaoi" because the target audience isn't straight men looking for fap material?You got it almost right. For me it should be:
So "lesbian" because the characters are male but look female, and "yaoi" because the target audience isn't straight men looking for fap material.
No.2129
>>2113Pretty sure the "lesbian yaoi" refers to stories with darker and/or more dramatic themes and possibly a more unique art style, I think Harada is a pretty good example of this "genre". While "straight women yaoi" is more about model tier beautiful men performing for the female gaze and essentially filling a female power fantasy with a self-insert male bottom. The "gay yuri" I guess is the kind of feelgood domestic fluff genre.
No.2130
>Follow a promising East Asian fujo artist
>The good content keeps on coming
>Suddenly they start RTing or drawing straight porn with big anime titties and a girl being fucked and abused
>In worst cases it's loli porn
I have to unfollow 2-3 artists each month for this. One just threw a tantrum over people unfollowing her for drawing loli futa and gloating about how hot it is. Just what is it with these people?
No.2131
>>2130Literally this is why I stopped going on twitter it became too much even for me. I think if you're gonna brand yourself as a BL genre artist, re-open another account for het, loli, and futashit. I swear to god these twitter users need a crash course in basic business marketing just to understand this.
No.2132
>>2131It's the worst when they have the nerve to complain about people unfollowing them for posting content opposite to what they followed them for. Like no, I came here to see anime men fuck, I'm definitely not going to stick around for loli porn or a woman being raped.
No.2133
>>2130I feel this so hard when you run into this stuff in the middle of a BL log on pixiv. No, I don't want one half of my otp as a waifu with giant tits in a cow bikini. At least it's usually tagged so I can filter.
No.2134
>>2130>drawing loli futaThis was so fucking funny. I would not call it a tantrum though. She just incidentally picked up the "wrong" following by being really into drawing a lot of a huge FOTM m/m ship, then had the audacity to post about her other interests on Twitter.
I do wish I could import Tumblr's tagging culture over to Twitter. I regularly have to ol' Yeller artists because they don't tag shit I have filtered. Even tags as basic as what
>>2131 lists would save so much trouble.
No.2144
IDK where else to put this, but I hate tiktok and I feel like fandom had a sort of unofficial 'don't post your face online and embarrass us' rule that everyone has forgotten. Any time I see anything posting something fujo shipping fandom on tiktok I wanna die.
I know I can just not go there, but it gets reposted to like my tumblr tags and shit and I just want to scream STOP POSTING YOUR FACE YOU'RE EMBARRASSING UGH.
No.2145
>>2144>fandom had a sort of unofficial 'don't post your face online and embarrass usI hate it when people post themselves online anywhere. It's normie behavior. If you aren't online to look at or share Chinese cartoon porn you shouldn't be online at all. The world would be a more peaceful place.
No.2146
>>2144>>2145When it comes to fandom, I think the only times people should post their faces are when they're in cosplay. It just seems pointless otherwise.
No.2147
>>2145Yeah, I really agree. I blame the iPhone for this, easy access to photo posting and women found they could get easy Attention from it. If they want to get attention because they're attractive, just go outside ffs. The internet should be for freaks only.
I wish we could go back to an internet sweet spot, where it's easy to download things but isn't filled with attention whores.
>>2146Yeah.
No.2152
>>2151If I was in your place I would delete my comment and tell the author to fix her mistakes in the fic.
Did you comment before reading the
finished version?
No.2153
>>2151Delete the comment and if the author asks just say oops my mouse slipped or some shit. Unless you're close friends with her who cares.
No.2154
>>2151just redo it and give it to her saying you noticed a few more mistakes. I assume fics can be edited on there and not need to be reposted so it's no big deal unless she's a psycho.
No.2155
>>2151Can you offer to proofread again? Message her, say you've learned a lot about writing and ask if you can check it over one more time.
Just deleting the comment without warning would be a dick move imo.
No.2158
>>2157Woah, that's pretty cool. I love the idea of an anime store brazenly displaying yaoi instead of tucking it away in the back
No.2159
>>2158It's so good! In my town there's a manga shop that has a shelve dedicated to yaoi. They sometimes put yaoi on display on the normal manga shelves too! It's great to see.
No.2170
>>2169Nonna, I know that you're close to your friends, but if they use your interests against you negatively, that's not very kind nor considerate of a friendship even if the interest of BL is not shared.
No.2171
>>2169Your friends kind of suck, honestly.
>I feel like one day they'll use it against me (they have in the past)Could you elaborate on this? How exactly did they use it against you?
>>2170>if they use your interests against you negatively, that's not very kind nor considerate of a friendshipThis. I’m friends with people who are interested in shit I personally find really weird, but they’re my friends, so I simply agree to disagree. Anon you’re replying to said that her friends are handmaidens, though, so I imagine that their brains are so fried that they believe she’s “fetishizing mlm” by consuming BL media. The kind of faux political awareness that’s been plaguing online spaces as of late.
No.2172
>>2169How long have you known them are these childhood friends? Agree with the others, friends don't need to share or like your interests but they need to respect you as a person.
If they are bringing up and attacking you for your BL hobby unprovoked I'd first try talking about how hurtful it, and if it doesn't stop you need to distance yourself.
Real friends don't tear others down even if they disagree. In the mean time just don't bring up BL and try to engage with your shared hobbies, I assume you must have something else in common.
No.2173
So tired of twitter claiming blatantly straight show are "queer". First with Vanitas now with the new buddy daddy show.
At least they could shill something like blue lock, but instead they always latch on the most straight shit.
No.2174
>>2173I got baited so hard into watching Vanitas. Not only is it hetshit, but it's the grossest, rapiest form of hetshit with actual scenes of them fucking and the woman having emotional turmoil and gaslighting. I'm so mad about it.
I don't need things to be canon but christ I don't want to see this garbage.
No.2175
>>2174That's too bad to hear, NTA but I used to big into Pandora Hearts by the same author, never read Vanitas, but I hope it's just a bad adaptation I'd be sad if her other works are terrible.
No.2176
>>2173I told people that the blonde dude from Buddy Daddy would be obnoxiously heterosexual because of how the character blurb was written and I got shit for it, lmao. Cue first episode and we see him stealing from a woman and having a child he didn't know about.
On the other hand, people are seriously sleeping on Eternal Boys, the friendship and admiration between the guys in that one is super cute.
No.2177
>>2173>At least they could shill something like blue lock, but instead they always latch on the most straight shit.Reminded me of how a good portion of twitter used to shit on Q-force for being "bad representation". It only reinforces my belief that twitter people have brain damage, nothing new.
No.2178
>>2169>They know I'm one and don't really seem to care as long as I'm not incredibly vocal about it but I feel like one day they'll use it against me (they have in the past).I pretty much agree with the other nonas on how awful this sounds. Maybe you don't need to cut them off entirely but don't open yourself to them anymore in that regard, it's not safe at all. I hope they learn to respect you and I also hope you find better friends, you can do it eventually noni even if it's hard.
No.2179
>>2169Who cares? If they really attack you for something as stupid as that they aren't your friends. Just don't be annoying about it and if they are cool people they'll just leave it be. Normal people who encounter things they don't like just mind their business and go away. That's the sane and adult response.
>>2173>So tired of twitterSame, you should drop it nonna, that site ain't it.
No.2181
>>2176>I told people that the blonde dude from Buddy Daddy would be obnoxiously heterosexual because of how the character blurb was written and I got shit for it, lmao. Cue first episode and we see him stealing from a woman and having a child he didn't know about.I expected it to be not gay but the first ep felt almost like it was aggressively trying to be heterosexual and make sure NO WAY it could be gay.
Of course twitter claims the show is bi and "queer" because they are two dads raising a girl. Like straight friendship is somehow courageous to portray.
No.2182
>>2173Have these people forgotten what a 'fujobait' is, JFC
Thailand has actual BL dramas that show full-on homo.
No.2183
>>2175I watched the show and it wasn't particularly bad. They suck blood since they're vampires other than that it's as average a 00s show as you can get.
Maybe it gets weird in the manga?
No.2185
>>2184I've bought maybe 20-25 zines and love the hobby.
I agree that the art can be pretty meh depending on the fandom, I never buy Yu-gi-oh! or Danganronpa ones because the fandoms skew pretty young and they don't always have the best quality control, but on average the good art outweighs the bad. Normally you can spot warning signs in quality control if you follow the previews on the tumblr or twitter accounts. I have backed down on buying if amateurish or questionable art is posted. I love foodzines and cookbook zines because they give me a utility outside of just looking nice on the shelf, 90% of my cookbook collection are unofficial tie-ins and fanzines lol. Besides that I would always recommend physical ones with merch. I end up swapping through charms and keychains for my car keys, and decorate my fridge with the stickers I get. I don't see much of a point in buying a digital zine ever outside of just showing support for a project.
No.2187
>>2184I only buy physical zines for stuff I really love because like you said if it's super popular then The Good Shit is already out there.
Zine fanfic being kind of mid is normal, anything that is good is likely too long to commit to print.
>"passion project made by friends" feel to it If you are ever cursed to enjoy a rarepair, rarepair zines are good for this.
It's good of you to contemplate your cynicism over this.
No.2188
>>2174>with actual scenes of them fucking and the woman having emotional turmoil and gaslightingIt's been a long time since I read scans, it really went that far? I'm surprised. If you're talking about Vanitas and Jeanne they have no chemistry whatsoever.
No.2189
>>2174>VnC fujos actually think Noe/Vanitas will become canonI feel so bad for them.
No.2190
Honestly, the collaborative aspect of zines is why I have no interest in them. There's always going to be a bit by someone that you don't like, especially with western fandom art styles. I know doujin anthologies are a thing, but they're less common than works made by a single person. I wish zine culture could be more like doujinshi. Except for fic - fic being mostly online is great. I'd shrivel up if Ao3 became full of sample fic for people's RL products that you'll never get to read.
Also, while I'm complaining about that, I hate when people post fic as images on twitter. Absolutely hate, no matter the language. Fuck off with that.
No.2191
>>2189I'm not convinced actual fujos read it. Everything about vanitas feels like straight girl self inserting but since het stuff is not cool on twitter they need to pretend it's "queer"
No.2192
>>2190When zine art is bad, it's terrible, I feel you on that nonna.
No.2193
>>2190>Except for fic - fic being mostly online is great. I'd shrivel up if Ao3 became full of sample fic for people's RL products that you'll never get to read. I only recently learned that this is how they mostly do fanfic over there and I still have whiplash. How can doujin culture get so much right and then fumble fic that hard?
No.2194
>>2190> I hate when people post fic as images on twitter.And then japanese fans also tend to paste the text on top of backgrounds to make it even worse.
No.2196
>>2184While we're talking about fanzines, I'd recommend reading the fanlore pages on old western fanzine culture when it was the primary mode of fanfic. It's really fascinating.
But really in modern day, they're rather pointless. The fanfic aspect got replaced by Big Bangs, AO3 collections and kinkmemes.
Honestly, we're probably just too spoilt. Having one good fic in a zine must have felt like a miracle. But also western fandom has always had shit art.
No.2200
Cannot stand when nonJP artists use JP ship names to tag their shit without understanding how they work. I come to pixiv to look at AxB art and AVOID the abundance of BxA garbage in the western side of my fandom, it would be great for these people to not shit up the tags.
No.2201
>>2200>Cannot stand when nonJP artists use JP ship names to tag their shit without understanding how they work.>without understanding how they work.For the fandom I'm in this is either done by younger fans/people new to the fandom who don't know yet how ship names work, or either by users who do it on purpose to get more clicks on their works. You have no idea how many times I've seen written AxB for a fanfic that is BxA or AxC. It gets really annoying at times, and I wish people used actual tags that fit their fic instead of putting ship names of pairings that aren't in their work.
No.2209
>>2190>I'd shrivel up if Ao3 became full of sample fic for people's RL products that you'll never get to read. This is literally pixiv and I hate it so much. I was reading this one fic on there the other day, and I got really into it. However, the full version was not available on the site and you had to buy it on BOOTH. I understand the need to make money, but really? Are you trying to make money on a fanfiction? At least give full access to the entire story first and then try to sell physical copies!
…I really need an alternative site to read Japanese fics other than pixiv because a lot of doujinshi and fic content on there is paywalled.
>>2200I resonate with this so much. I wish pixiv had a region filter. I rather just follow a good western artist through another platform and just use pixiv solely for Koreans and the Japanese…
No.2210
>>2190>I hate when people post fic as images on twitterI rant about Twitter a lot but I really do mean it when I say that making it the primary hotspot for fandom was the biggest mistake. Tumblr wasn't ideal either but at least you can post links, right more than 200 words, can use the tags, customize your blog, aren't constantly feed with some bullshit algorithm(god, writing all this made me remember how much I hate twitter).
Ideally a fandom site would have dedicated communities, and those sites exist but people don't use them. For some reason they prefer twitter. I just don't understand why twitter? Livejournal was good for fanfics, Tumblr was good for fanart but twitter isnt good for anything except for bands announcing their albums and tours. The only platform worse for fanfiction tha twitter is tiktok, and when twitter dies tiktok will be the primary hotspot for fandom I dread that day
if I ever see a video how that awful ai voice read a fanfiction aloud while some braindread zoomers eyefucks the camera while wearing a aliexpress cosplay then I'm going to kill someone>>2196I honestly don't see Big Bangs anymore and kinkmemes are slower than ever but maybe its just the fandoms I'm in. The fanzines back then fascinates me so much! Imagine getting them in the mail lol. It was really a labour of love. You didn't even have the comfort of the internet to communicate with the zine contributors and buyers back in the 80's. And the goal was to break even because they just wanted to show their love to a franchise and not to make money. I'm glad that I can read fanfics whenever I want now but there must have been something magical when a fanzine was released back then.
No.2211
>>2210Twitter sucks so much. I really wish the whole Musk thing would force fandom off of it once and for all. Livejournal was perfect. You joined a community, you didn't need to see someone's offtopic fandoms or make a dedicated account to be a part of fandom.
I know AO3 already does so much (and is down right now lmao) but man, I wish they'd open some journal/community LJ-clone thing. They have the fandom clout to make it work.
>when twitter dies tiktok will be the primary hotspot for fandom I dread that dayI will stay in the rotten remains of Tumblr like a cockroach in the apocalypse.
>I honestly don't see Big Bangs anymore and kinkmemes are slower than ever but maybe its just the fandoms I'm in.(Yeah I should have said 'they got replaced by BBs and kink memes and now they're dead and we have nothing). I've been reading about letterzines and reviewzines. Fascinating.
No.2212
>>2211>I will stay in the rotten remains of Tumblr like a cockroach in the apocalypse.Me too.I refuse to use twitter and tiktok their layouts are just blah. I'm glad there are still people on there post-porn ban and I'm seeing many new people join because of Musk. Hope tumblr will become the primaery fandom space again
No.2213
>>2211>>2210I feel the same way, and I already am completely disconnected from fandom since people left tumblr for twitter (and tumblr already had problems). To me, fandom basically doesn't exist anymore. I just play fic roulette on AO3 and don't have fandom friends anymore because I don't use Twitter/Tiktok.
I don't think there's any going back to the LJ days, though I think you could make an argument for a tumblr revival if people really put in an effort to it and convinced enough people to come back (though the censorship on NSFW content really killed it and is still a problem).
>>2212Maybe I should go back and make a tumblr account too, because I suppose it's better than nothing. Is it not extremely dead?
No.2214
>>2210I like Twitter because of ease of access to non-American artists but having fandom mingle with normies was a capital-M Mistake.
>>2211>some journal/community LJ-clone thing. This was Dreamwidth but fandom clout didn't work back then either, a time when "fandom" was much, much smaller.
No.2215
>>2212>>2213I've never been super pro-Tumblr, but at least it's better than tiktok. The lesser of two evils. I really REALLY miss posting to communities instead of going through tags though.
(I have a Twitter which sadly is mostly for my non-fujo interests and therefore mostly few m*le moots because I find Twitter fandom so terrible.)
>I don't think there's any going back to the LJ daysLet me believe…
>Is it not extremely dead?Less dead then you'd think.
>>2214>DreamwidthWasn't Dreamwidth competing with Tumblr? I remember Dreamwidth have a lot of issues that caused people to pick Tumblr instead. Like, didn't they do weird invite-only shit for AGES?
No.2216
>>2209Yep, I read Pixiv fic a lot, that's why I mentioned it. At least you can exclude 'sample' from the search though.
No.2222
>>2219Tsuritma is great and has a nice laid-back feel.
Rainy Cocoa was ok, kinda had Is the Order a Rabbit vibes.
Haven't seen it yet but I've got a show on my to-watch list called Sarazanmai that looks like it fits into the genre too and has a cute artsyle.
No.2224
>>2219Isn't that what Free!! was meant to be? There's also Boeibu somewhat, it feel like a parody of BL and classic, episodic magical girl anime.
No.2233
>>2222Sarazanmai is an Ikuhara show, so it might match Tsuritama on some vibes, but it gets very dramatic life-or-death in the climax.
>>2219If it's gag/comedy stuff you're after there's quite a lot of lower budget shows, but they really vary on the type of boys featured so it's hard to recommend. My ultimate no stakes necessary slice of life is TouRabu Hanamaru, but it's a franchise series and requires a willingness to learn about 60 characters. A show like Rokuhoudou, UchiTama (contains girl), Marginal 4, Oushitsu Kyoushi Heine, or Chuubyou Gekihatsu Boys (contains girl lead) are probably easier adaptations to process. If you don't mind idol/musical aspects then High School Star Musical has three seasons of high octane haha what am I watching I hope that guy makes up with his friend, etc.
To be honest there's shitloads of cute boys do next to nothing bullshit shows out there, usually labelled as idols, but they all feel cheap and trashy so I feel awful recommending them. Rokuhoudou is probably the only one I can say is a quality show.
No.2234
>>2219There's quite a bunch. I'm seconding some of the shows anons have already recommended: Hanamaru, Boebi and Tsuritama are among my favorite anime, they are very fun and cute. Others that come to mind are Cool Doji Danshi, Idolish7, Uramichi Oniisan, Gakuen Babysitters, Saint Young Men, Cheer Danshi, Kimi to Boku, Oushitsu Kyoushi Heine, and I guess Natsume counts too, to some extent.
Of course there's also the million seasonal sports shows I've seen, they all have SoL elements but I know most of them are incredibly generic and devoid of excitement. I still watch them out of habit anyway.
No.2238
>>2219The male equivalent of CGDCT generally tends to be comedy or sports/idol anime like
>>2233 and
>>2234 mentioned, but I do wish there were some more shows like Daily Lives of High School Boys where the boys are in school and just acting like a bunch of idiots while having a good time. But I guess that still falls under the 'comedy' category does it not?
No.2240
>>2239Men love to project onto women.
I'm also tired of seeing men complain about what women like, and it's quite funny when they complain stuff most of us don't even like.
>Always gives me a chuckle to see because they never explain what real men would have done except for instances where they insist they could win in a fictional fist fight.Many men think that to be a man you must be stoic and not give in to your emotions, and with the internet this ideology started to spread.
Also I've stopped watching seasonal anime because most of it doesn't interest me and because the female characters are just there for the fanservice.
Plus I want to add that many of the stereotypes that women are hysterical are extremely old, but still strong today, it's best to ignore men who buy into them.
Hope you find some good anime this season.
No.2244
>>2242Not the anon you've replied to, but Sanrio Danshi left a sour taste in my mouth.
The designs are fine, but I wished they were more inspired by the Sanrio characters. Please look at them and try to tell me which character they're supposed to represent. The brown haired dude looks like a background character.
The scene where the My Melody guy was about to hit his little sister but was stopped by his friends also made me question some things. Anyway, the anime isn't bad. The theme song is catchy and I also recommend it for people who enjoy " cute boys doing cute things. "
My favourite was the Little Twin Stars boy.
I learned there's a manga but I could not find any scanlations. No.2248
>>2247Are there people in the fandom that you can ask if there's an archive of the fics you want to read?
No.2252
>>2247>even try archive.orgI felt this in my soul. It's the worst fucking thing ever when the only surviving part of a deleted fic is an extremely promising summary.
I'm assuming you have the link and the title of the fic considering what you described in your post. If you haven't already, try googling them in quotations. Maybe, just maybe, there are some reposts floating around online.
No.2253
>>2252>>2248Tried. Later I might try begging in some Tumblr ask boxes to some BNFs who seem to circulate some other deleted fic among themselves. It's a RPF ship so it's a little hard to be open about it.
No.2254
>>2244I dropped the anime, honestly got more enjoyment out of the fake selfie art they posted on twitter than the show itself. I just remember them constantly bashing you over the head with "guys aren't supposed to like girly things waah I'm being bullied" during the first eps.
>>2250Absolute legends.
>>2247I hope you got at least some other fics to enjoy, and think: what if you had found it on archive.org and it was exactly what you wanted, but the only copy was from an incomplete stage? That'd be true pain. A fic I reread to death that used to update every other year got taken down once, and I'll never know if I missed an update or how it would have concluded. I have my download and my imagination, but no closure. I think the grief for something's potential is worse when you had a taste of it.
God bless Ao3, its orphaning, and its download epub option.
No.2309
I hate it so much when people treat just anyone who likes pretty anime boys as a "fujoshi". Reverse harems aren't "fujoshit", it's literally about a straight girl and her billion boyfriends. Female fans who treat a male character as their husbando while not shipping him with any other male aren't "fujos", they're self shippers. Female fans who enjoy anime boys in general but ship them with female characters or not at all aren't fujos. The 00's practice of grouping all bishounen stuff together as "yaoi" really did a number on the entire scene and I fucking hate how unhinged husbandofag behavior like openly fantasizing about wanting to drink his piss or or hating on a female character simply because you're jealous of her taking your husbando away from *you* gets attributed to fujos because that in turn makes the hetfags seethe in embarrassment and try to put fujos down to look better in comparison. We just want to mind our own business, goddamn.
No.2310
I sorta hate how many "kooky" and "funny" tags people put on their fic on AO3 now. The tag section of your fic should be short and sweet, when it's long and annoying I just assume your fic is shit. Like having a shit summary.
No.2312
>>2310Same, I don't mind one or two, but if your tags are a paragraph long I just skip it.
No.2314
>>2312Yeah. My eyes just glaze over. It's like tagging every single character in the fic. Unless they actually matter, don't tag them.
No.2315
>>2310I agree with you 100% on the quirky tags hate, but what is your definition of a shit summary?
No.2316
>>2310I thought it was fun back in 2012 but it has gotten old now. Like
>>2312 I don't mind one short joke tag but it's annoying when the author starts rambling in the tags it has made the tag system completely useless. I have accidentally read tropes I hate because the tag got buried in the authors rambling.
Another thing I hate about Ao3 tagging is that no one can seem to agree on what tags to use. Some will write "alternativ universe - high school", some will write "high school au", some will write "student![character]", some will just write "they are in high school in this". It just makes it so much harder to either filter aus you dislik or search for aus you like. The Ao3 community should had agreed on a standard way to tag things a decade ago. Alternatively Ao3 should add a specific tag for aus where you write the setting in so all things have a standard tag for them
No.2317
>>2314>>2316>It's like tagging every single character in the fic. Unless they actually matter, don't tag them.>Some will write "alternativ universe - high school", some will write "high school au", some will write "student![character]", some will just write "they are in high school in this". I hate this and wish it were a reportable/bannable offense. A few of the ship tags I have in mega popular fandoms are simply unbrowsable without several minutes of exclusion tag work because of these stupid fucking zoomers who can't tag properly.
No.2318
I'm tired, anons. I wanna take a nap. Life is so hard right now, and my dumb retard brain decides to fixate on the most obscure, dumb shit out there, so I can't even read fics to feel better. Don't have any motivation or talent, either, so I can't draw my own fanart or write my own stories. Why the hell am I like this? I'm supposed to be an adult.
>>2316>Some will write "alternativ universe - high school", some will write "high school au", some will write "student![character]", some will just write "they are in high school in this". Tag wrangling exists as a way to combat this sort of thing, but it isn't a flawless system. There are so many fandoms and characters that it's impossible to get absolutely everything, but in cases of the "high school au" and "alternate universe - high school" thing you mentioned, they're bundled together as one tag.
>>2317This. I fucking hate newfags so much.
No.2320
>>2317I think some of these zoomers legit don't know how AO3 and their tags work. I've seen a post on twitter about how a bunch of them thought it worked with an algorithm pushing fanfic recommandations to users based on whatever they usually read, and some apparently even delete and repost their fics just a few hours later because "muh visibility", "muh timezone" and "muh algorithm". They've been raised to be as tech illiterate as possible and they have no critical thinking skills either, they don't know how to look for anything online by themselves, let online fanfics on a fanfiction website.
No.2321
>>2318I'm tired to.
I think you'll be okay down the road though. What obscure shit do you like?
No.2323
>>2320>some apparently even delete and repost their fics just a few hours later because "muh visibility", "muh timezone" and "muh algorithm". They've been raised to be as tech illiterate as possible and they have no critical thinking skills eitherCracking uppp, I didn't realise it was this bad!
No.2324
>>2318I relate, i like things that have scarce fancontent too, although I'm pushing myself to learn to write just to indulge a bit in my headcanons and see them materialized in prose.
Hang in there nonnie, you can always sperg about the things you love with a fellow fujo friend or even if it's just anonymously on a board.
No.2330
>>2321>What obscure shit do you like?I've always been particularly fond of what I can only think to describe as bizarre internet shit that most people don't think to look at with fujo goggles.
About 8-9 years ago, I had a strange fixation with ACNL horror dream towns. They were extremely popular in the community back then, and I remember even talking to others about them (always been a horrendously shy lurkfag, so that's
huge for me to do). And while my obsession with these dream towns and their characters went away, I never stopped loving them. The obsession's come back, though, and it is in full fucking swing. I have no idea what triggered it. It's been almost a decade, yet here I am again.
>>2324>I'm pushing myself to learn to write just to indulge a bit in my headcanons and see them materialized in prose. Respect. I've tried to pick up writing as well, but it's so fucking hard. I think I'll give it another whirl, though.
>you can always sperg about the things you love with a fellow fujo friend or even if it's just anonymously on a board.Yeah, I'm gonna start being more open about my interests. Bottling up your passion is one of the worst feelings ever, and I'm sick of it. I encourage others reading this to do the same. go fucking crazy!!!!!
Thank you both for your replies, I feel better now after reading them. I hope you guys have a good day today.
♡ No.2332
>>2315Stuff like having emojis ^^ there. Also having author's notes in the summary is a red flag for me (outside of something brief, like the type of AU it is)
No.2341
>>2310I haven't posted much on Ao3 but my mind always goes blank when it comes to tagging, I wish I had the confidence to tag every single noun in the fic just in case some of them work. The only time I thoroughly tagged was a joke fic where the tags and narration are misleading but not inaccurate to what occurs, and I still feel pretty stupid about what it looks like.
>>2324Same same, I keep having to tell myself "you were shit when you first started drawing, but you drew the same things over and over and tried drawing some new things enough until it looked okay - you just have to write the same things over and over and try writing some new things enough until it reads okay". I think being an English speaker and typing on the internet for decades makes your brain think it's got the written word down, nothing more it can do, so when you start writing prose and it reads like absolute shit you're hit with the worst fucking despair. It's frustrating to not be able to put things in words when you've spent your whole damn life putting things in words, what the hell happened? I have a bonus issue of the prose somehow coming out sounding sassy as all fuck for no reason and I don't like it or know how to stop it happening. Again, what the hell happened?
Meanwhile some ESL who's seven years your junior is writing 12k chapters every week with a dedicated upload schedule and unlimited energy. Internally I want to scream and sob and throw things at the walls. Physically I'm too tired for that and my arms haven't worked good for years.
No.2342
>>2315>>2332for me it's a red flag when the author says that the fanfic is bad or apologising for writing it ("this is shit sorry" is common). I know that artist often doubt their own work and overanalyse it but how do they except me to have any faith in their fic when they don't even bother to try to pretend that it's worth reading? I just don't understand that people can have enough confidence to post their stuff online but not enough to not call it shit it just comes of as they are fishing for compliments.It reminds of those type of people who constantly "joke" about how they are trash it gets exhausting quickly
Though I don't mind when authors says it's their first fic or that they don't have any beta readers so there are going to be some mistakes No.2343
>>2342It's a red flag when they say the fanfic is bad or apologising for it in the summary of the fic, but that falls under my 'it's a red flag to put author notes in the summary' thing. If it's in the author's notes or something, I don't mind. I think amateurs would naturally have a 'sorry this is a shit' type thing. Yeah, it's annoying but shrug.
I associate people who joke about being 'trash' with like, older fun degenerate fans. Like, yeah, they're old bad jokes but I associate those jokes with yaoi paddles and fun times, so I have a hard time being annoyed with it. Do the new puriteen fans joke about being trash? Cultural appropriation!
No.2344
>>2342>>2343I'm gonna talk only from my own experience. I used to be very vocal about me disliking my own content when I used to share it more frequently, but I'm a perfectionist so me saying something was 'bad' or 'shitty' was a legimitate feeling of dissatisfaction on my part rather than just fishing for compliments.
The reason I used to post things I wasn't totally happy with was because I spent a lot of time on them and it would make me feel like I wasted my time if I didn't give them the closure of simply share them and move on lol.
That and the fact that sharing things online and seeing them there makes you hyperaware of mistakes all the time.
but I do get how it can be annoying especially when it's frequent behaviour. I'm past doing that myself, nowadays i simply post and let it there knowing someone will eventually like it.
No.2346
>>2345If it weren't for weird moids potentially lurking I would have posted a link to one of my social media accounts for this reason.
No.2347
>>2345>>2346there is a friens finder board on here but it's inactive unfortunately
No.2348
>>2347nta, but I’ve been meaning to post there
maybe I’m insane, but it seems like a good idea to include something like a throwaway discord account in the post instead of your main one. chat with whoever adds you, and if they’re cool enough, give them your main account. it’s a bit ridiculous, kind of like a wild goose chase, but it’s a good way to stay somewhat anonymous while also filtering out the bad eggs
No.2349
>>2348it is a good idea! I posted a throwaway email on lc and then gave my discord when i got to know someone
No.2350
>>2349>emailold school… I like it
thanks for the reply, anon. I’ll be sure to post in the thread later today. will not lie, though, the thought of being the only poster there is a bit awkward and intimidating. but i suppose sacrifices must be made when thou hath a fujo brain
No.2393
>using twitter to post video game screenshots because my backlog is huge and it helps me keep track of where I am and what I can play next
>also posting pics of more personal stuff like food or travel pictures, retweeting art of my ships and pictures I like
>too many accounts in this shithole of a website, blocked verified accounts and accounts about politics, news, actual porn, , fandom "discourse", weird fetishes, RP accounts that show up when I look up a character or game I like, etc.
>archived my data this week
>more than 1800 accounts blocks
kek what now? It happened over the past few years way before Apartheid Clyde took over so I'm considering checking my list of blocked accounts and unblocking some of them if they post more interesting things now.
No.2608
Moving this discussion from the "post shit in BL you hate" thread to this one because I don't want to derail anymore seeing how the image posting is back already
>>2606>Now I compartmentalize them into the same danger zone as tifs who draw the tit chop scars on every characterThey're the same people to be honest. Those extreme fakebois who troon out because of "reading too much yaoi" are yumes at heart, they took the self insertion fantasy too far and couldn't separate fiction from reality anymore.
>In my opinion all those accusations of shallowness/horniness they throw at fujos are pure projection.They really are. It's seriously the same as with men, they think fujos are ultragooners who just want to see a dick thoughtlessly rammed in an ass and imagine themselves in the receiving end of the act just like they can't comprehend the idea of enjoying a.) romantic fiction without sex or b.) erotica without self insertion or c.) porn that isn't about violence but rather story and mutual enjoyment.
>They boil the characters down to a few personality traits they like and posess very little overall knowledge on the source materialAside from the schizo level hatred and projection of their own degeneracy into fujos, this is the second reason I can't stand them. They only know the fandom interpretation of the character they learned from other yumes and barely touched the source material, sometimes even loudly denouncing the original source and its fans and openly state that they're just hyperfixated on this one character they flanderized into their imaginary boyfriend. Genshin yumes have been already discussed but they're seriously so fucking annoying and disrespectful, I remember one who said she hates the plot, the game and all the characters but took male characters from the game and gave them her own lore and personalities to ship to herself. And other yumes were considering this based behavior. I just do not understand this mentality at all, why not just make your own characters entirely at this point? Because you want to browse fanart of them? And keep causing yourself emotional damage because everyone else follows the canon? Makes no sense.
No.2714
>>2608>I remember one who said she hates the plot, the game and all the characters but took male characters from the game and gave them her own lore and personalities to ship to herself.This is so many of the Genshin people and it helps that the game isn't that deep but it's popular enough for all the normies to latch onto it. The biggest yumebait is definitely Childe, I see so many yumes who hate the story or the other characters or the game itself but just want to see him, and it's just so they can do yume shipping with him by shipping with Lumine. They're insanely delusional arguing that only the hetero version of that ship is canon, despite him having no different dialogue depending on the traveler's gender, because yumes are the type of insane hetero women who don't want to imagine their boyfriend taking it up the ass. The yumes need a new Zutara or Dramione for their generation, and Childe's it.
No.2719
>>2715My fave ships are all characters with some sort of history: Kaeya+Diluc, Ayato+Itto, and Alhaitham+Kaveh
Am I eating slop, sure, but at least my slop interacts in canon.
No.2720
>>2715I don't think there's anything wrong with shipping characters just for being hot. Especially in Genshin, the players need to stop fooling themselves that that game is deep. Everyone has a surface level personality, of course the shipping is going to be tropey.
Fujos trying for respectability politics and saying ships only need to be deep and canon are the worst. You're all drinking out of the same toilet.
No.2721
>>2720I'm not going to say you aren't allowed to, and I don't play Genshin so I'm not going to comment on that, but I don't see the appeal when the core of a relationship is based on interactions and compatible personalities. If the characters are cute but don't interact I've got nothing to ship even if both are good individually.
I have read many a longfic that have successfully made an otherwise crackship work but it's a lot of legwork imo.
No.2722
>>2715Huh? Do you play Genshin or not? It has a lot of implied gay ships, even salty yumes reported one of the characters to the Chinese authorities for being so gay and stealing their husbando kek. The Wriothesley&Neuvillette couple got so popular even before release because Genshin has had a tradition of having two shippable tall male characters per region (Kaeya x Diluc, Zhongli x Childe, Ayato x Thoma, Alhaitham x Kaveh) that are clearly meant to be read as a fujopandering couple and they were revealed to be voiced by Daisuke Ono and Hiroshi Kamiya who are notorious for voicind many implied fujo couples together, and according to leaks the characters were closely associated which turned out to be true once the story chapter released. Yeah people jumped the gun very early with them but it was because they already were familiar with the pattern.
I mean there are popular Genshin fandom ships that are either massive reaches like Xiao x Venti or Itto x Gorou but there are a lot of ships featuring characters with a rich history and interactions together in-game. Tighnari and Cyno, Alhaitham and Kaveh, Xingqiu and Chongyun, Razor and Bennett, Diluc and Kaeya etc. all are canonically close to the point of almost always mentioning the other when they're not around.
No.2723
>>2722>even salty yumes reported one of the characters to the Chinese authorities for being so gay and stealing their husbando kekntayrt but what the fuck. i don’t wanna derail but i need to hear the details of this drama.
No.2724
>>2723It was the characters in picrel, Kaveh (the blonde guy) and Alhaitham (the gray haired guy). They're universally considered to be canon lovers because of their entire lore centering about each other and how they mirror each others' personalities and even live together like an old married couple, even their Japanese, Korean and English voice actors ship them because they're so clearly meant for each other. One of the other characters even says to Kaveh that he can't talk without bringing up Alhaitham all the time, and Alhaitham himself brings Kaveh up in a lot of situations as well. You get the idea, there's a ton of other things that scream relationship to the point people have written so many twitter threads analyzing their interactions to death that even worst gamerbros consider them undeniably gay.
Alhaitham was a major character in the Sumeru story chapter's main quest and gained a yumejo following because he's a very attractive guy looks and personality wise, but when he was released as a playable character one of his idle animations was him literally holding Kaveh's key (identified by his signature keychain) he took by accident when leaving home (and vice versa, Kaveh's idle animation shows him trying to pat his pockets for his key that's obviously missing). This made them lose their minds and start calling Kaveh "green tea bitch" which is basically a Chinese slang term for someone who's a two-faced gold digger vamp. So in China portraying homosexual romances is forbidden by law and censored (even though they often do look the other way depending on the case) they wanted to bring in the authorities to get rid of Kaveh and reported Mihoyo (the game's developer) to them for spreading homosexual propaganda. I don't know if they really did it or if it was just them talking though but Chinese yumes are actually insane so I absolutely wouldn't put it past them. That said Mihoyo is very careful about not stepping too far with the gay ships due to said laws but they did have canon lesbians in their other game so you just have to read between the lines.
No.2725
>>2724>green tea bitch" which is basically a Chinese slang term for someone who's a two-faced gold digger vampThis made me kek. I'm into danmei fandoms so I know how crazy certain CN fans can be but this is a new one for me.
No.2726
>>2724thank you sm for the write-up, nonna. that’s utterly demented. i haven’t even played genshin since the zhongli banner back in 2020, so i’ve unfortunately (thankfully?) missed out on fandom drama like this. and i’m cackling at “green tea bitch.” yumes are wild.
No.2727
>>2724I don't know much about Genshit Impact and don't plan on getting into gacha games anytime soon but I do remember hearing about how AO3 got banned in China for a similar reason. But it was some crazy fangirls of some live action actor who reported the websites to the authorities. I'm assuming Chinese fujoshi all use a VPN but it's still disturbing.
No.2728
>>2724>one of his idle animations was him literally holding Kaveh's key (identified by his signature keychain) he took by accident when leaving home (and vice versa, Kaveh's idle animation shows him trying to pat his pockets for his key that's obviously missing)That's actually really cute.
>>2727>how AO3 got banned in China for a similar reasonThe Fanlore article on it is pretty interesting. Chinese fans really don't fuck around.
No.2729
Genshin characters aren't even attractive, I don't understand how people go so crazy over them. I can see zoomers that just got into anime artstyle and thus have zero standards become obsessed with them, but what about everyone else? It's beyond me.
No.2730
>>2729It's a really fun game with rich lore, one of the best exploration mechanics around and most of all the male characters have really interesting backgrounds and personalities, and there's a lot of variety between them so people tend to find their favourites easily. No two characters are the same and you get to know them during their own quests that explore their motivations which makes them feel more human. People are more drawn to their personalities rather than their designs which is pretty common for fujos in my experience. I've played a ton of gacha in my old age but Genshin is the first one to really nail making nearly every male character feel like they have depth.
The female characters are notoriously ass though, there's a ridiculous gap in quality when it comes to their writing. The male character is there being a psychologically complex being while an adjacent female just stands there looking pretty kek. They've gotten slightly better with female characters recently though but the male characters have always been the game's heart.
No.2731
>>2729I don't know if it's because all their models are made from the same base or if it's just because I've seen too much art of them, but something about mihoyo designs is just dead to me. I can't get excited for them even when the lore I've read sounds like my jam, or the theme music is good. It's like every single one has the same face shape, the same slim body type, no one is old or bulky or broad. They are all just the same thing over and over with slight stretching for height. When artists I follow ramble about what they like in characters I get it, some of the concepts are pretty hot, but then I look at the character and experience an instant void of feeling.
No.2732
>>2730nice bait nona
but ill have to deduct a few points for making it too obvious
7/10
No.2741
>>2730kek
>>2729I agree. I've seen good fanart of them in passing, but knowing how basic and boring the characters and their dynamics with eachother are, on top of their crappy designs, it makes me somewhat sad to see talent wasted on that. I understand a lot of genshin fanartists are only in it for the exposure though so I can respect the hustle.
but a few of those designs are so bad even artistic talent can't save them, like the kemono boy with black and green hair.
No.2742
>>2722Wriolette is good but I think calling them "definitely canon" and forcing ships to be canon just to be "allowed" to ship is annoying and dumb. Because these dudes both interact with female characters and the JP VAs mean nothing. They're fun to ship, but if you need "it has to be canon" in order to ship them, then you're setting up other shippers because both of them have dynamics with female characters too and the het stans are also arguing their ships are "implied".
Why can't new fujos accept that ships don't need top be canon in order to be popular? Self-hating fujos who want more "validity" by saying a ship is canon just throw other fujos under the bus.
No.2747
I fucking can't stand the chronically online 4chan NLOGs stuck in their mean girl era who start calling themselves "fujoshi" because it's a contrarian label to slap on themselves to own the libz or whatever immature agenda they have. Using the term fag/faggot (i.e. not online lingo like "newfag" because some autistic faggot is going to bring it up anyway) or "dyke" as an unironic slur for edgy points and then getting all giddy when people tell you to watch your mouth is so fucking cringe it makes me want to rip my face off. Are you 16 or something? Big no-no words make you feel like a big girl? And the same people brag about liking extreme shota/loli because it pisses off ~the snowflakes~ and they go on this bot-like spergout about how it's not real and yall SJWs should deal with it this isn't your hugbox!!!! Shut the fuck up. I don't care if you like it, you most likely even don't but just claim to to uphold your title as an internet edgelord, but most people are disturbed by it and don't want to hear about it. Neurodivergent hours over here thinking you can just slap out all your fetishes in front of everyone and expect them to not be bothered, except getting attention is specifically the thing you're looking for so mission accomplished I guess. I'm sorry your parents didn't love you, I truly am, but trying to act like a scrote in a guy fawkes mask is something you should get over by the time you turn 17 the latest.
No.2748
>>2747I agree with your point about some people slapping on the label as a political statement, I see that a lot with teenagers in particular and it's frustrating because I think it is an embarrassing display that in the end just makes all fujos look bad.
At the same time I'm going to keep saying that some people like messed up works and they should be allowed to write, draw, and talk about them online. I do think you should do your best to tag and warn people before you post them. I like that we have /ex/ as a containment board to hide it from people who find it uncomfortable, and sites like Tumblr have a good tagging system so people can blacklist. At the end of the day I think it's a two-way street, people shouldn't accuse others of just being "edgy" or assume they are a bad person just for their tastes, and people into fringe content should to the best of their ability give a heads up or warning.
No.2749
>>2747I think the exposure to chronically online antis has resulted in people who act like this, and then if you don't want to see their kinks or fetishes in the main tag, they act edgy and think only an anti wouldn't want to see it. It's chronically online people becoming worse because of other chronically onliners. There's no middle ground or anyone being normal about ships and respecting different preferences. For example, if you like an incest ship with grown men in one anime, you HAVE to also like shota, even if that doesn't appeal to you. It's stupid and this attitude drives away the normal people, so you just have both sides of the discourse being run by chronically online people who have no identity outside of being an anti or proship.
No.2751
>>2747I use 4chan but not sure if I have seen the thing you talk about. How is fujoshi even a contrarian term? Everybody on this board calls herself a fujo too.
Unless you mean the types of fujos that also feel the need to out themselves as /pol/tards, in that case I agree since it's cringe as shit. I mean the "I HATE all gay people actually, they should be gassed! But I am a fujo so I love cute 2D shota they are something else, fuck libards!"-brigades. I fucking hate that. But I could swear I never saw that shit 10+ years ago. Maybe I forgot or it's a newer phenomenon, since everybody from the US decided to turn everything into a culture war.
No.2752
>>2751rarely see 4chan fujos doing that too, the "i'm so problematic" edgy girlfag or w/e people calling themselves fujoshi seems more like a terminally online tryhard proshipper thing but i agree with the overall post. maybe it's referring to fujos who use terms like pilled/cel/max/etc.? i've seen a lot of those types on twitter but ime even if they use those terms they don't actually use 4chan
No.2754
>>2752Yeah, the only people that would consider fujo a rebellious term are social media users that grew up among fans that called fujos evil for "fetishizing" gay characters. It was never seen as morally bad on 4chan or anything, at best you got male posters condemning dem fujo fanbase for being so huge and active regarding fanart but that's something else.
No.2755
Back on 2006-9 4chan "fujoshi" was a badge of pride, because it was used to differentiate women on 4chan from "rabid yaoi fangirls" on other sites like Deviantart, Animesuki, and Go-Gaia. Our female anime fans were sophisticated and had better taste, hurrdeedurr. In the last 5 years or more it's just become a catch-all term for "woman invading my hobby grrrr females get out".
I have seen a handful of girls trying to boast about being fujos on /a/, but usually it'd come with something like reminding everyone how much of a lesbian they are and reusing the same pics of Onii-sama E, One Piece, or Naruto characters over and over. There was one girl around 2016ish who you could track on desuarchive by the images she used in every single post. That behaviour I blame on newfags who act like "4chan has no rules! You can't tell me what to do!" They get themselves suspended and banned repeatedly but tell themselves that this is how image boards work, you're supposed to be a shit and get shit on back. It takes them a while to realise nobody else is having the same experience - that is, unless they use /cm/ and generals where they can shout down anyone telling them to stop being stupid and pat themselves on the back for being Hardcore. I have a particular distaste for people who think they're bestowed authority by their rudeness to others. They're typically the edgy types who claim something is bad because Other People Like It and then create infantilising caricatures of a person they dislike to throw at dissenters. For example "your ship is bad because the only people who like it are the ones too pissbaby and distraught for incest and are trying to break up my incest ship, therefore you are one of the pissbabies". No bitch, we can do threesomes, everyone fucks. Why wouldn't you just fuck up the incest boys even further? How do people get pre-emptively offended by the non-problematic ships, and start making conspiracies that they only exist to-
I think I've had this rant before somewhere. God. Hope it got eaten by the backup so I'm not repeating myself too much.
No.2756
>>2755I hate this so much lol and it's so common on nu4chan. It's nothing fujo specific IMO but I hate that everything you like makes you a [buzzword], usually a "zoomer". Liking anything popular means you are a zoomer, liking anything with a gay or brown dude makes you a woke tranny zoomer, liking something serious makes you are an edgy zoomer etc. It kills every discussion because you cannot argue against this unless you post your ID or some shit.
4chan was never very rude in its core, it was a place where you openly said what you think and maybe call the guys you reply to faggots, but it wasn't a discussion killer. Now every edgy new user thinks that being as anti-social and shitty as possible would give them a high status on image boards.
Semi-related but I hate the lesbian talk too. It's okay to be gay and into yuri but I don't care.
It's incredibly annoying that most fujo places I use are now invaded by users who are actually or allegedly lesbians irl and you always know because they will surely tell you and show it in their art and fics.
Depending on the fandom you are in you might not get any m/m anymore because everybody draws the men with fat thighs, hips and anime girl faces now and they only write fics with herms or guys with vagina and everybody hypes it up and makes 10 posts about how horny the female curves on guys are making them because being disgusted by men even if they are 2D is a progressive take everybody has to adhere to. They usually claim they resort to fujo spaces because yuri fandoms are bad, but fuck this shit the fujo fandom shouldn't be a refuge for everybody that doesn't like their native fandom.
No.2766
>>2756>It's nothing fujo specific IMO but I hate that everything you like makes you a [buzzword]This behaviour plagues the entirety of 4chan, it's particularly painful in any hobby related thread/board. All your arguments, opinions, reasoning, personal experience can be completely disregarded by simply calling you a "zoomer", "shill", "shounentard", "tendie", etc as well as everyone's favorite: "tranny". There's no room for genuine communication anymore because as soon as someone plays the buzzword card, anything you might want to say will be deflected back at you in a toxic manner. This dynamic has infected the website and it's beyond salvation at this point. I'm not sure what caused this, it seems once /pol/ took over the internet everyone's obsessed with personal identity and this idea that every aspect of your life is supposed to be some sort of political statement, so they see enemies everywhere.
No.2777
>>2776Rec me some, girlie, I don't even care about the fandom as long as it's 2D, it's my fetish.
2006-2009 was the time to be alive. Probably the best fandom I've ever been in and feeling a little nostalgic, it was where all the baby freaks congregated. Malik is still my punching bag of choice. So prime for it. The ones that Want are the most fun to break and his tears are even more delicious knowing they're at the cost of a trauma-born pride.
No.2780
>>2775>Remember when holocaust fics were a thing?i might have read one or two
…hundred
>a convenient historical setting>without having to put in the work of coming up with new worldbuilding to justify ityea things were p crazy back then
sometimes reality is more insane than fiction
anyway got any favorites to recommend?
No.2790
>>2788>I could try to scour for some now.please do, thank you
>Do you care about the fandom?not much, honestly lol
i just like this sort of setting
>Most were South Park lel.ok now im intrigued
i dont think i have ever read south park smut
i was never that much into the show tbh but i still wanna read just out of curiosity
and i think i can guess who are on the roles of nazi and jew
No.2791
>>2790Well, it took me 3 hours of skimming both ao3 an ff.net and I've come up with nothing. I don't know if my writing standards are just higher now, I greatly overestimated the prevalence of holocaust fics, or if they're all hiding on LJ kinkmemes, or all 3, but unfortunately I've
come up empty handed. Which is a shame. Is it too hard to ask for well written prose detailing the horrors of humanity's most infamous sin? The setup is all there to explore extreme power dynamics, medical experimentation, socially funded dehumanization, abduction, imprisonment, human cattle- just the most reprehensible, vile hellscapes and the twisted psychology behind it. Perhaps it's trite and trashy bdsm pulp but a good author who takes the subject matter seriously and puts in the research could easily come up with that peak eroticized, gut wrenching despair that I find harder and harder to come by in nufandom.
Though I do believe there was an NSFW purge on ff.net back in the day so maybe the good ones really are all lost to time. Hell, I'm surprised that I found hardly anything for Hetalia too now that I'm thinking about it. Missed opportunities.
No.2792
>>2791ntayrt, but i was pretty fascinated by this concept too and am disheartened that you’ve found nothing. your commentary has me convinced that, in the hands of the right author, with the right amount of historical knowledge, it would be amazing. and i’m almost tempted to try writing one myself, but i don’t want to be the one on the end of an inevitable discourse shitstorm, kek.
>i don't know if my writing standards are just higher nowthis happens to me all the fucking time and it is so painful. i’ll think, “yeah, there were a plethora of fics about x, i should go read those!” only to find that all of those fics were, in fact, terrible.
>i do believe there was an nsfw purge on ff.net back in the daytbh, i don’t even know the full story for the ff nsfw purge. i knew that it happened, and expected the worst, but pretty much every smut fic i read on there ages ago is still there today, so, idk. it certainly wasn’t as drastic as lj’s strikethrough. it actually kinda reminds me of how wattpad isn’t technicallyyy supposed to have pwp fics, but plenty of smut is on there anyways.
No.2793
>>2792The fanfic purge was ancient it happened back in 2002 and prompted the creation of adult-fanfiction.org which still exists today.
It was before my time in Fandom but from what I've gathered through fandom osmosis:
FF net used to have a rating called MA which was for actual porn and explicit violence.
FF has issues with copyright holders specifically with the 18+ works.
At some point in 2002 they blanket deleted every fic with the rating without giving chance for appeal.
People rightly upset leave the site.
Someone creates Adult Fanfiction to host now banned works.
No.2794
>>2793From what I recall, stories could get taken down if they were reported and found to be violating rules, and Ao3 wasn't created until far later. So there definitely was a 'gap' during which fics could die on you.
I recall a specific fic that I wanted to revisit because I never read it at the time, it had Cartman's family hiding Kyle's? Was on FF.net, got recced by a SP fangirl friend of mine.
>a good author who takes the subject matter seriously and puts in the research could easily come up with that peak eroticized, gut wrenching despair that I find harder and harder to come by in nufandom.I want this too, but for different reasons than you. As a history buff I ended up fixating on cute jewish boys and finding it hot when nazi soldiers got dominated by Americans, I want to just read more stuff based on actual history set in this period, and if fangirls are already writing kinkier stuff featuring the holocaust, then stuff where german soldiers get kept as yankee pets will be more accetable.
I'm just glad this is being discussed. I tried starting a nazi thread on another female-focused image board back in the day, but it got removed since I was assumed to be a troll, and this has sort of weighed on me since. Glad to have fujononas.
No.2799
>>2793The rating was called "NC-17" not MA. I was there during the FF.net purge. A lot of my fics got deleted. Got banned twice for it. My first ban was because I was an edgy teenager and sent a rude email to them about deleting my fics. I learned that lesson kek.
Second was because some assholes were reporting my fics (they were fairly popular at the time) On my third attempt, I just redirected people to read the porn in AFF.net because I was fucking tired of getting reported and banned.
Eventually I gave up on ff.net and fucked off to LJ, but LJ was another nightmare in out of itself. I'm glad the strikethrough happened or else AO3 wouldn't exist. Sounds rotten, but there were a lot of rotten people on LJ anyway. AO3 evened the playing ground by a wide margin.
No.2800
>>2799Oh thank you for the info Nonna! Like I said just what I've picked up so it's nice to get correction from someone who was there.
No.2801
>>2799>there were a lot of rotten people on LJ anywayJust curious but in what way were they rotten? I'm not old enough to have experienced the LJ days so I'm always interested to hear more about what fandom was like back then.
No.2806
>>2801Well, not everyone was like that. Some communities were chill, but a lot of those chill ones weren't as active (good luck if your fandom or ship was obscure). A lot of time if you wanted to be a part of a bigger or more active one, those were locked and you had to apply. Some of it involved having to kiss major ass to get a sneak peak, scanlation communities being some of the more notorious. As much as people reminisce about the "good times" in LJ, there were bad times with the inter-community dramas, people chimping out over not crediting icons, and the elitism in some of the more coveted communities. I had fun, yes, but I was more of a forum gal that preferred to find my fandom communities in dedicated BBS forums or IRC
>>2800M became the later rating for mature material, but it excluded explicit stuff. Though my stubborn ass pushed the limits lol, that's why I got banned twice and warned many other times kek
No.2812
I can't stop getting irrationally mad whenever people mischaracterize my favorite characters so fucking bad and I genuinely seethe and reeee every time the most popular ship in the extremely small fandom I'm in is the most popular, which reduces one of my favorite characters in my OTP into an absolute drooling retard orbiter.
Like I genuinely can't stop getting mad that people ship things I don't like AND simultaneously don't fucking get the characters as they do.
Absolute fucking autismal rage mainly because my ship is an incest ship, but canonically and even fandom-wise has the most content (in Japan) but the western fandom absolutely pretends it doesn't exist.
Not only have I essentially gotten harassed before, there ARE popular accounts from that fandom who do ship incest ships (just not AC as opposed to BD as an example. Basically every option is ok except mine because whatever) and nobody bats an eye. Why? Because everyone is a circlejerk of artists and people who defend each other. Liking bottom bicycle for a character even if it includes incestual options is ok as long as you only use it for porn but actually shipping an incest ship, like actually being invested in it and caring for it is super bad apparently.
And I keep seeing these people talk about "incest" with everyone cheering happily meanwhile I can't fucking show my face without getting harassed.
I fucking hate bottom bicycle hypocrites "this is ok because x still bottoms but y can't be in another relationship other than with x" so much.
No.2813
>>2812What's the ship, salty nonna? I too get upset about bad characterization. A well-liked creator for my fandom is VERY bad at writing the characters, and it baffles me that people love her work so much.
No.2815
>>2791>Well, it took me 3 hours of skimming both ao3 an ff.net and I've come up with nothing.thats too bad
but thank you for trying anyway
>Is it too hard to ask for well written prose detailing the horrors of humanity's most infamous sin?unfortunately any depiction of nazis that isnt showing them as literally hitler tends to attract an angry mob with pitchforks and torches, so ppl tend to avoid doing that (for example:
>>2792), the ones that dont avoid are usually edgeladies who couldnt write something decent to save their lives
oh and ofc you also gotta demonized them correctly
writing them as massive sadistic sexual deviants with the most sick tastes in the world is sexualizing a tragedy and actually much worse
>The setup is all there to explore extreme power dynamics, medical experimentation, socially funded dehumanization, abduction, imprisonment, human cattle- just the most reprehensible, vile hellscapes and the twisted psychology behind it.*sweats profusely* y-yea, who the hell would wanna read smut about that, amirite? only someone absolutely rotten to the core
>a good author who takes the subject matter seriously and puts in the research could easily come up with that peak eroticized, gut wrenching despairgod i wish i could just stumble on something like that someday
>Though I do believe there was an NSFW purge on ff.net back in the day so maybe the good ones really are all lost to time.always a disgrace when something like that happens
many such cases, unfortunately
i always light a candle for each piece of work lost to puritan wipes when i go to church
>>2794>I tried starting a nazi thread on another female-focused image board back in the day, but it got removedtoo spicy for normies
>>2799>A lot of my fics got deleted.thats really sad
i hope you had copies saved locally
i have had more than my fair share of bans across so many sites that i compulsively save everything i write these days
No.2816
>>2775>>2791NTA either, but I've never actually seen a Holocaust fic. I heard that Holocaust self insert stories were popular on tiktok during covid, but that felt like a new "what's happened to the kids" trend to me. There were some historical AU fics I read about 10-12 years ago on FF.net that were set in WWII Japan with firebombing and piles of dead as backdrops but they were really dryly written and lengthy so I never finished any of them after the initial "oh that's different".
>>2801Sekrit clubs sekrit clubs. If you got rejected from application stages people didn't pull punches talking shit to your face about it, especially in RP/fic circles I found. Scan groups were more likely to hide a keyword somewhere and then leave you without an answer until they nuked and reopened applications. Some of my fandoms were super welcoming though, would pass you whole download folders just for writing crack fics.
>>2806I remember M just being where you found the tryhard horror fics like Silent Hill and Resident Evil crossovers where they just threw all the characters they liked at monsters and gave them guns. Cue the inevitable death sequence of the one character they didn't want to write about.
>>2812I'm like this with my husbando but I know it's a total uphill battle so I've never confronted the fans about it. I know I'd get laughed out of court by pointing out the series isn't actually BL, you guys just tagged it "LGBT+ interest" on english sites and claimed your ship was more canon than other ships. Even when they try to delve into his canon they decide they know his backstory better and replace it with OOC bullshit to turn him into their little edgy OC they can play around with. Saw one scene where he was forced to use a knife to defend himself and decided he was Jeff the killer since childhood.
Any chance you can go priv and just enjoy the Japanese content? I do that for a bunch of fandoms where the west just never gave a fuck about what Japan was onto. Admittedly I'm used to not interacting with fandoms beyond liking posts.
No.2820
>>2819ntayrt (neither of them) but the way you describe the whole ‘depths of depravity’ appeal resonates with me so hard. i’m not in any fandoms that i feel have characters that would properly befit a wwii holocaust setting, or a fandom that wouldn’t murder me over it, and yet i still wish i had the skill and ability to do this idea justice.
maybe we could have a thread in /oc/ for it? we could spitball ideas there (and free the venting thread from mild derailing, kek).
No.2821
A holocaust setting seems like a headache setting it up to make sense in the story. Closest you can find are dead dove prison AUs
No.2822
>>2794>I tried starting a nazi thread on another female-focused image board back in the day, but it got removed since I was assumed to be a trollWell no wonder, the "cute jewish boys dominated by hot nazis" shit sounds like something a troll would come up with to make fujos look insane and detached from reality. Some kinks are meant to be shamed, anon. Even if you're either mentally ill or ignorant enough to genuinely enjoy "holocaust fics" shit like that attracts those reactionary fujos who only identify as fujoshi to piss people off and I'm always reminded of that scrote that faked being a Hetalia fujo (since moids are autistically drawn to military shit) in Lolcow's fujo thread to sneak up on naive anos over Discord.
If you really want to make a fic about genocide then just come up with fictional states and ethnic groups, using holocaust of all things as a sexy setting for a smutty fic is so tone deaf it makes me physically cringe. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
No.2824
>make fujos look insane and detached from reality
p dumb to believe that tbh
every group has its sane members and the unhinged ones
just look at furries
they arent all degenerates
but ofc if your brain is the size of a peanut youll assume literally everybody that falls under a certain name is part of a hivemind where they all think exactly the same and are into the exact same stuff
but that type of person is gonna have incorrect opinions no matter what
so shying away from your true interests just for the sake of optics is pointless
No.2825
>>2824>Implying furries aren't universally seen by everyone as sick degenerates raping kids and animals because their community had literally no gatekeeping or condemnation of people who didn't know how to feel shame when it was healthyIf they practiced "optics" maybe the zoosadist leaks wouldn't exist now. Keeping the most insane individuals out is a good thing, you let one bitch cooming to nazis slip and soon you'll lose the entire genre to them and their male counterparts.
No.2826
oh and btw
>If you really want to make a fic about genocide then just come up with fictional states and ethnic groups
the point of using the holocaust as a setting is precisely so you wouldnt have to bother with that
bc it would either require a massive loredump, that nobody is gonna read
or spend a long time writing about mundane daily life so the reader can get a feel of how things work and who stomps on who, which could be good esp if done by a good writer, but why arse yourself with that when there is already a historical setting that is basically what you want and everybody is already forced to study at length in school so all the exposition has already been forced down their throat and you can just get into it
>Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
ethics is never a major concern of mine when im making two boys kiss in my head
No.2827
>you let one bitch cooming to nazis slip and soon you'll lose the entire genre to them and their male counterparts
idk if cooming to nazis could ever get popular enough for that happen
but yea ig it could create an environment where depraved kinks are encouraged and then there is a massive variety of those
but as eris once said
>what is the matter with that, if it is what you want to do?
and its not like absolutely everybody will be into /ex/
most ppl will always be into the most tame stuff
No.2828
>>2826>>2827Dear lord learn to reply to posts and paraphrase properly
No.2835
>>2822Seconded. I can appreciate an allegory but I don't want to think about actual 3Ds, especially not literal corpses like every high school history lesson on it showed us. Making fictional countries isn't even hard, shallow BL do it all the time. You're missing out on being able to bend the setting to fit your narrative too. Think how many ways you can tailor the discrimination to other kinks if you took it into your own hands.
No.2874
I just thought about how it's been three years since the Saezuru tori movie came out and there's no news of the sequel and the official twitter has been dead for a year. Me and other people have complained before about how we wish there were more interesting BL adaptations than just modern day slice of life so it stings that this more interesting project seems to be dead.
No.2875
>>2873As a huge Genshinfag glory hounds like this genuinely piss me off because of my "fake fans" autism. They always openly shit on the game and its fans and admit to being into this one thing in it just for the clout or money and it's treated as something completely normalized, I feel like Genshin gets a ton of unjustified hate because of people like this with no real experience playing it.
No.2876
I hope this doesn't sound pretentious but I really need to get this out of my chest because I feel like I am going crazy:
Does anybody else feel like the majority that is using discord is just.. really retarded? I mean actually dumb as in lack of intelligence to make a proper conversation possible?
I don't think I am arrogant or something because I don't consider the users of fc dumber than me, not even 4channers and not the people irl either. It's literally only discord. It frustrates the shit out of me because they never discuss anything and if I bring something up like when I speculate about future twists of a damn cartoon they don't fucking understand it.
I say the simplest things and they don't understand it. At best I get are responses like "hmm I think I somewhat understand what you mean". Bitch, I just told you that characters from different continuities aren't the exact same person, are you brain damaged for having issues understanding this?
Sometimes they shout out like "OH I get it! You speculate that [completely wrong, simplified crap that I never fucking said]!!" which frustrates me even more because it's hard to correct such idiots without making it obvious that they're idiots.
Those people are adults so it's not like I was talking to fucking 12 year olds. And I literally know 12 year olds that understood the same things within seconds and speculated further. What the fuck is this? Is it the meds they take? Or is discord attracting imbeciles? I never experienced such stupid people before.
No.2877
>>2874Same. Saezuru is one of the only handful of actual yaoi series I could ever get into so I hoped that more would care but apparently not. I think the reason for why most BL is generic SoL is simply because the majority likes, same with moe SoL and romcoms and all that.
I wish there were more fantasy or drama/action series with interwoven BL that is apparent but not romance focused. I wish there was more shit like old CLAMP series or Loveless, but that stuff is criminally rare. Also, talking about it, neither X nor Loveless were ever finished, fml.
No.2878
>>2873Based of her to draw Wrio as bottom.
>>2875What's funny about it is like all 200k of her followers came for the Genshin art back when she did play, so it's a little rude to dunk on it. I vaguely remember her being (at the time) one of the very few Childe/male Traveler artists. I can't really fault her for getting filtered by Inazuma, it was responsible for my first and only very long Genshin break. That being said I feel the same way about Genshin hate. Sucks that there's a pretty fun world trapped forever behind "gachashit and limited time character development events" wall.
It's amusing to see m/m FOTM clout chasing art though. Traditionally that has been a role for waifushit artists only. Diversity win!
No.2879
>>2876I've experienced similar things in a gacha discord I joined to get shitty game codes. I've tried to think about why discord seems to be such a cesspool vs other websites. Honestly, I think people feel safer saying more retarded shit because they think that no one will see their comment in a few days because there comment will be pushed farther back in the chat by other chatters. If you have to post about something, and you say something retarded, people ignore you more call you out which is a lot more 'obvious' than in a chatroom. Idk, that's just my theory. It's pretty bad. Discord is also bad for 30 year old males rping as 12 year old girls so it's honestly not my cup of tea. Never liked Skype either.
No.2880
>>2876Discord is the lowest common denominator for fandom spaces. Most people you'd actually get along with use it for actual friend/gaming groups or not at all, so you're very unlikely to find them anywhere with a public link.
No.2881
>>2879>>2880Didn't think of this before but makes sense that image boards, forums and even twitter are filtering such people since they know that others would reply to call them stupid.
It's just depressing because the understanding issues I witnessed made me legit believe that most of these people are clinically retarded. As in actually having real brain issues. Even the majority of dumb real life people I met were smart enough to understand simple sentences but this doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
The IRC chats I was part of in the 00s never contained such idiots but IRC is dead these days. I hate it because discord shit is literally the only place to talk about the series I love. 4chan is fucked and barely even keeps discussions of popular series live let alone anything niche or manga/comic-only, forums are dead too and all alternative image boards have so few users that you only find one other person that is into the same shit if you are lucky.
No.2882
>>2876I see where you're coming from. Discord is the first platform where I've found myself blocking people just for having an insufferable posting style. I'm talking about people who will unironically spam text emojis like ;w; and go "Nuuuuuuu!!" despite being grown adults.
No.2883
>>2882>I'm talking about people who will unironically spam text emojis like ;w; and go "Nuuuuuuu!!" despite being grown adults.Yeah it seems like it's the majority there. Maybe that's the true effect of a social media brain. Most of these people are addicted to that shit and this is where all the childish behavior and annoying talking topics come from.
There is one (1) fandom discord I am in that is mysteriously good but maybe because the dudes of the series are masculine so they filter most of these people since they tend to latch onto twinks like crazy to interpret them as women, trans or ship them with shitty other self-inserts.
No.2884
>>2878Inazuma's main quest was objectively the absolute lowest of Genshin writing, but the rest of the region was just as fun and Enkanomiya's story quests were unironically kino. The male to female character release ratio was atrocious though so I don't seriously blame her for taking a break, but the amount of fujobait in Sumeru was mindblowing and it feels weird how a lot of these FOTM artists completely dismissed that entire story chapter and suddenly came back for Neuvithesley. I guess nufujos into muscular bottoms didn't like Kaveh, there was a huge drama when his official art was released and he turned out to be a skinny little princess kek.
That said the people who call Genshin's story "innocent" are outing themselves as speedrunning the archon quests without paying any attention and not doing the world quests or events. Child sex trafficking and drugs being introduced in Fontaine coming as a surprise to people when Enkanomiya routinely killed off its child puppet rulers so that they wouldn't grow up and question things around them and the people of Tsurumi ripping out a child's heart out of his chest as a sacrifice to appease the thunderbird. Dottore strangled a fellow student who was in love with him and left her to be mauled by tigers in the wild, Childe lowers his lifespan to use his foul legacy transformation, oh and that one lantern rite story about the couple who murdered a woman and disfigured her body so badly she couldn't be recognized to fake the girlfriend's death so they could elope together. Sorry for the Genshin sperg, I just hate how all the great things in the game and the huge world inside of it gets constantly undermined by stupid memes and people hating it just for being so popular.
No.2885
>>2876This gave me flashbacks to the first discord servers I joined. They were all made by people off 4chan, and no matter what I said everyone would treat it like I'd asked for help and either start repeating to me what I'd just said or try to correct me with shit that was outright wrong. It was absolutely impossible to make a joke with them because they'd always respond "uhhhh I don't think so no" or try to console me like I was upset about something. It honestly drove me mad because I'm the type of pushover who assumes I must be at fault, given everyone else was on the same page as each other. It later transpired that they all hated my guts because they thought I was some kind of useless child who always needed instruction, meanwhile I was trying to write entire theory essays and ridiculous fic concepts and lost all confidence in sending anything. Their discussion topics were just porn, why won't my boyfriend love me, and trying to stalk people they didn't like.
Some years later I joined non-4chan related fandom servers and discovered people can actually talk about the series the server is about. Amazing. Now the twats who act like know-it-alls, never post about the server topic, and spout complete shit are the ones who people take issue with. However, there are a couple larger servers I'm in that are full of ESLs and the dialogue does feel more normalfaggy, like you need to explain some of your references as you go and be patient with them. One of these has two clearly handicapped users who are completely gone and everyone knows it but you just make a couple cheery comments and stop engaging before they ask whether Luffy could win in a fight against a Vtuber.
I know I've ranted about this experience in another context here so forgive me for repeating, but it does make me think about where it feels appropriate to dump big ass posts. There's some places I would never feel comfortable doing it because the users would either ridicule me or barely read what I said, and there's others where I trust someone will have a look and give a few emoji responses days later, if not reply on the night. Even 4chan is fickle about speculation, back in 2013 when people used to talk about "specula threads" I remember getting shit now and then from Anons who thought reading into text was equivalent to writing Gary Stu fanfiction. How dare you have thoughts about your media and enjoy writing them out? That would be
autism. Sir, we're fucking nerds. Don't come to mongolian basket weaving forums if you can't sit through a little shadow puppetry storytelling.
No.2886
>>2885>It was absolutely impossible to make a joke with them because they'd always respond "uhhhh I don't think so no" or try to console me like I was upset about somethingHoly shit, this. I say something completely normal or funny and everybody thinks I am mad what the hell. I even avoid using "shit" but it doesn't help. And if they are ever friendly then in a weird way. Like I post about some minor inconvenience but they take it super seriously and say something like OMG ARE YOU OKAY?? as if I just reported about being involved in a mass shooting not making a funny post about falling into the lap of a grandma when the subway decelerated.
It's such an odd fucking culture I have no idea where it comes from. Also, everybody is dyslexic to an enraging degree. I know people that are confirmed to be dyslexic and NONE of them are that fucking stupid. I believe it's an excuse and many of them are EOPs on top of that. It's also not just literacy but a genuine issue about understanding simple logic. And IF they ever understand what you or someone else says then they never add anything to it and just post a bunch of shocked emoji or some yelping or shit like "SDTHUJETWRFSCR!"
No.2887
>>2886> Like I post about some minor inconvenience but they take it super seriously and say something like OMG ARE YOU OKAY?? as if I just reported about being involved in a mass shooting not making a funny post about falling into the lap of a grandma when the subway decelerated.They are legitimately crazy people and I'm so tired of walking on eggshells for them just so I can talk about my favorite gay ship. Oh God. Just the other day I got in some trouble actually, because I forgot to pretend to do that fake fandom personality shit where you're always understanding and never question another person's obvious bull shit
No.2888
>>2887>that fake fandom personality shit where you're always understanding and never question another person's obvious bull shitThis is something that gets me into trouble too. I simply cannot suppress the urge forever so every x days I am fed up and question obvious bullshit because I am tired of people lying and other people buying everything or pretending to do so.
They are so gullible it makes me mad. No video, no claim, no exaggerated narrative could ever be stupid enough to make them question shit.
Harmless example: Recently got into drama bc someone posted a funny "normal day in city x" meme video where people do the craziest shit like trying to carry a washing machine down the stairs, wearing cringe costumes, carrying their motor bike, doing clown shit etc. So everybody was hyped how "daily life" looks there but it was obviously recorded in the same fucking subway station and staged since the shit always happened in front of the camera. Clear, centered videos with no motion blurr that always start a second before [thing] appears and no bystander that walks in or films the crazy shit as well. But if you say why it's staged they're all "wtf, why angry?? it's a video don't you see it's real??".
Same with attention seekers that post their art all day but pretend they hated it when they don't get enough comments or money beggars on twitter that are lesbian, trans, black, disabled, traumatized and chronically ill with a dead dog and a mother with cancer. You check their other posts and they are all about their PS5 games despite that they are allegedly all things above and "homeless". But say what it is (bullshit) and you are "jaded".
No.2889
>>2888Are you me? I get so frustrated, you've no idea, or maybe you do. Like idk if the rest of the group is just lying and like me, they think all of this is stupid, or they're genuinely retards that were dropped on their heads.
There's nothing "jaded" about pointing out the obvious.
No.2890
>>2889Yeah I don't think we are crazy because nobody I know in real life is that gullible. It must be some mentality that social media has cultivated somehow. Maybe safe spaces and bubble group dynamics made users view every harmless argument as disruption of harmony and hostile.
Such people avoid any sort of negativity to the point at which you aren't allowed to bring up criticism of the series you're a fan of. This reminds me, some members I know are linking their twitter fanart that nobody likes, but instead of keeping quiet half of the discord hypes and praises it and the artists react with super happy comments to that, but click the link and you see that the pic has zero retweets and likes.
I don't know if this is funny or depressing. And I don't know whether such artists are too dumb to notice or if their gratitude is faked too.
No.2891
Every time anons here complain about discord I imagine that either they're the most insufferable spergs on earth or autists that get mad because they got ignored once as they couldn't blend into a group.
I've been into so many imageboard groups where "oh we'll be a BASED group without all the cringey people!!" and either nobody fucking talks at all or somebody posts ONCE and maybe somebody answers out of pity and it's absolute radio silence after that.
If you join mainstream groups, like a popular game discord (a gacha discord for example) well yeah no shit you won't slot in with everyone when everyone already knows each other, their inside jokes, their friends, etc. It becomes less of a fandom people and more of a hangout for other people where you're not invited.
One of the fujochan's discords is like this, by the way.
This is not exclusive to discord either, it's everywhere.
"I-IRC wasn't like this!!" oh it fucking was, just because the culture of the 2000s was different doesn't mean people didn't circlejerk. LJ groups too. Everyone is bound to fellate a specific amount of people, you either belong in that group or you don't.
No.2892
>>2891I don't like popular shit like gacha so that's not it. And the people didn't know each other more than I knew them when I joined.
Also we thematized some very specific issue not sure why you turn it into something else (integration) and imply shit that was never said. Some rare discords are good. But the problem with the forced positivity and childish attitude and clinical retardation is still present in most discords and mysterious enough to warrant an attempted analysis.
It has nothing to do with feedback, the well integrated members don't get any proper replies either. It's just everybody spamming emojis or memes all day or talking about tranny/genderbent versions of the characters and pretending it was canon or begging for validation.
>just because the culture of the 2000s was different doesn't mean people didn't circlejerkTrue but again, not the issue. I participated in a lot of circlejerks on 4chan generals and such, but you could always say what you think, people were capable of reading and forming whole sentences and they weren't idiots that believe obvious lies or couldn't tell jokes apart from serious discussions. This is a mystery that I only ever stumbled upon now, in this day and age. >inb4 zoomer
No.2893
>>2891The 4chan discords I was in were daily chats for months and months which is why it really got to me. If they were quiet and no one interacted then I'd forget about it and continue as usual. I think the low membership count was also part of their problem, because everyone knew each other and started taking sides and talking behind each other's backs.
Big discords you rarely get to know someone intimately so you shrug off countless incidental interactions and crabby weirdos. I've had great chats with people and then not seen them in ages so forgotten who the hell it was. Medium discords are hit or miss but some of the very active ones have been really good, but you know, common courtesy and knowing your audience counts for a lot. Like any social platform lurk before you say anything too candid or personal. If people aren't into something don't spam it sixteen times a day (no your yumejo self insert Cartoon Network fanart doesn't belong on this BL manga server). Leave if it has no value to you.
I'm the anon who posted about IRC drama and LJ comms too. Same things with small 4chan groups and drama. I have a feeling finding people off image boards is that much rarer so people cling to what they can get worse than if you found a discord through a tumblr post or ao3 note. Servers from other sites are dime a dozen so you can keep rolling until you get one that's nice. If a fandom has only one server and it's shit then that's just life, return to default, do what makes you happy.
>>2892You've been very fortunate with your circlejerks I must admit.
No.2896
>>2891KEK I'm glad you said it out loud nonna because this is how I always feel about these posts, they always seem so petty on a deeply personal level. The people I know off-anon who complain about every Discord server they join are usually the exact kind you described, autists who expect hand holding all the way through and get frustrated immediately when they don't blend in from day one, get angry at people for disagreeing with them or having an opinion they just don't like. Utterly unable to tolerate places that aren't a hivemind and a personal hugbox. I did IRC channel hopping back in the day just the same and in 20 years nothing has changed, of course servers and channels will have a core friend group who talk to each other daily and you have to form connections with them. It's the same with every community. Maybe if everyone around you is a sperg, it's actually you who's one.
Also I don't get people who complain about not wanting to read chat backlogs. Then don't? I don't understand how they want to treat these communities, just as personal interactive diaries on standby that activate when you pick them up?
>>2892>It's just everybody spamming emojis or memes all day or talking about tranny/genderbent versions of the characters and pretending it was canon or begging for validation.I've never seen this happen outside of servers with an average age of under 19. You just have to do the same as during IRC times, just surf channels until you find a place where you fit in.
No.2899
Reading all of this, I'm glad I never really used Discord. It seems like a pain in the ass in general.
No.2900
I try to stay away from using Discord, but I have a few thoughts about why Discord fandom communities are generally so insufferable especially if you grew up in a different era
>by and far, most people who congregate on discord are zoomers
>I swear Gen Z is getting dumber and dumber compared to previous generations
>ironically despite being the most online generation, they struggle with computer literacy. My teacher friends irl have mentioned this. They blame it on Gen Z using UIs that abstract away all of the inner workings of computers and the internet.
>Gen Z missed the internet stranger danger era so they have no common sense for safety. They doxx themselves without a second thought. They overshare like there’s no tomorrow to gain online clout.
>The infinitely scrolling design of social media killed Gen Z’s attention span. They became accustomed to ingesting info in bite, size, easily digestible bits on a continuous basis to the extent long-form, nuanced discussion is an uphill battle.
>online hugboxes existed but SJW politics made it so that became the default expectation for online fan communities, where you’re held responsible for other peoples’ emotions
>from personal experience zoomers who use discord and online fandom as their main source of social interactions tend not to be socially well adjusted irl. They’re very sheltered, they lack emotional development, they don’t know how to handle conflict and their main frame of reference for social interaction is other terminally online people.
Tl;dr take a bunch of computer illiterate, oversharing, attention deficient, validation hungry, socially retarded young people, mix them in a blender and you get the current state of Discord fandom communities.
No.2901
>>2900You're describing basic issues with modern internet not what makes discord in particular an issue.
No.2902
>>2896>Also I don't get people who complain about not wanting to read chat backlogs. Then don't? I don't understand how they want to treat these communities, just as personal interactive diaries on standby that activate when you pick them up? Yeah this part confused me as well. It's generally good etiquette to scroll up and skim what's happened or at least use the search tool to check if something's been shared already. You don't want to walk in to tell everyone you saw a cat do something funny only to realise someone's aunt just kicked the bucket and the whole chat is doing condolences. If you don't want that social hassle then disregard the general channel entirely and only stay active in the series specific discussion. Those channels should at least be interesting to backread.
No.2906
>>2904A shitton, actually.
I remember long ago on /a/ there was an article about it.
It's something about basically wanting to return to a more primitive state.
But also, because they are also cute.
I've found that most homo shotacons are usually men and barely any women (and funnily enough, men get bullied less for liking shota but women immediately do if you ever so much even utter the word)
No.2907
>>2906I don't think there are less women into shotacon just that they get singled out more than moids, most of them probably hide that they are shotacons and mostly consume it in secret.
No.2908
This already happened like a year ago but I just thought back to that time when the topic of fujoshi came up once on a discord server I was in and someone literally tried to argue with me that I didn't actually know what a fujoshi was cause they had some impression that I wasn't extreme enough about BL to be a fujoshi, like I wasn't "bad enough". It was so ridiculous. I dunno if that person was male or not but it sure felt like it was some dude unironically trying to 'mansplain' fujoshi to me. Imagine if I tried to tell a furry he wasn't an actual furry cause of some reason like "well, furries are annoyingly obsessive about buff anthro mantits and you're not like that."
No.2913
>>2908I always wish I could ask them about their stances on this if it wasn't such a hot risky topic. Pretty much every fandom discord user seems to claim to be trans to me so they probably just consider themselves as gay men who like yaoi (for the women) and lesbians that like yuri (for the men).
>>2909>>2911I belong to some weird middle ground kek. I am not sexually attracted to them but I love shota designs like this. They are just cute. It's the only anime cuteness pandering what works for me. Most female moe blobs feel too unnatural to me and cute highschool boys are just generally uninteresting. I find adult dudes hot but highschoolers are of this cursed age that is too old to seem cute to me and too young to be hot lol.
No.2916
>>2915I'm not sure if I can really count her works as 'shota' in the traditional sense. Some of it might fit the bill, but most of her underage boys are attractive in a way that appeals to underage girls of similar age. Hard to explain, but the vibe feels different to, for example, >2911.
No.2920
>>2909 Yeah I used to always consider shota a male fetish because of the prevalence of Oneeshota, especially when Monster girl quest became popular on 4chan.
No.2922
>>2920Oneeshota only focus on the girl though, the ones we're talking about only draw shotas and focus on them.
No.2936
>>2908The furry comparison is pretty funny because every furry under the sun is out there trying to convince people they're secretly a furry. There are however a shitload of moids in the past 2-3 years who are all "kemono isn't furry! I just want to fuck snoot girls!" Doing mental gymnastics about how the numerous dog girl manga they're reading aren't the same as more Disney-esque animal headed people, even though they're going as far as having big chunky paws and walking on their toe pads.
>>2920I was fairly into older range shota when I was a teen, and even though I was attracted to mostly slender cute boys I still had the impression that people who liked them sexually were men. I blame the piss spammer on 00s /cm/. They were only interested in muscleshota and peeing yer pants all over the place, and the mods couldn't seem to hold them off. I have this vivid memory of a time he posted a "shota stuck in hole" thread and someone replied "is this going to be piss again?" and lo and behold, the kid in the hole got peed on in the next image. No discussion, no thoughts, only piss.
No.2937
>>2936I should have probably added that in 2020 there was drama on 4chan where some shotacons decided everyone else was ruining their safespace and ran to /cm/ trying to make male-only threads. It originated with some argument about pokeboy threads posting characters who looked like teenagers or adults and that these were "not boys", but I think a few years later that guy who came here upset that female-only boards exist revived the effort and ended up with some real shitshow threads where they just discussed irl shit instead of BL and 2D guys.
I can't think of anyone dedicated to shota I know personally (female friends I mean), last time I found a fan of a shota character they only wanted their aged up OC version, but I keep seeing rebellious teen phase guys who like shota and they are very vocal about owning penises.
No.2954
>>2885>How dare you have thoughts about your media and enjoy writing them out?Anti-intellectualism has been in vogue for the past decade and it fucking sucks. People complain about how everything is irony-poisoned, but never mention how it's seen as 'autistic' and 'bad' to be a little nerdy. It's elitist to gatekeep anything, it's snobby to tell people to pursue any kind of intellectual hobby, because of muh disabilities or muh privilege (when we all know the bitches whining about this are perfectly capable of picking up a book). And it's especially egregious to write more than 3 sentences at a time or use big words like egregious. It's considered cringe to be smart and passionate about anything at the moment, and I fucking hate it honestly. I miss when I could talk to people about books they read and they've actually read them. Zoomers have a ghosting problem too, they're not shy about ditching others that might make them look cringe (so good luck having a real conversation about anything).
Sorry to bring the topic back up, I've been really salty about this for awhile but like everyone here, I have 0 outlet.
No.2955
not sure where else to post this so just dropping it here but does anyone else find that fubroshi twitter account annoying? yes this is some micro eceleb shit. his whole gimmick is that he's a "cis gay male fujo ally" and everyone goes crazy over it because actual gay men are rare to come across in fujo spaces. i find all of his tweets over-pandery and obnoxious, "regular" fudanshi and the gay scrotes on /y/ don't even make a big deal about their yaoi porn consuming or turn it into a performative thing. it's like he's a reverse faghag or gets off to women worshipping him for being a male standing up for the poor fujos. also ironically his entire popularity shows that no one actually sees gaydens as gay men because it's not like women are flocking to trans mlm accounts that support yaoi
No.2956
>>2955Cis gay men are kind of low tier for me on the "do I care about what they have to say about yaoi" scale because they are generally more into cooming than shipping. I see that guy on my TL sometimes but never cared to find out if he stepped outside of this box. Ultimately it's nice to have somebody to "legitimate" to nuh-uh the people who start shit about m-muh fetishization. From what I've observed trans men get really sycophantic with the cis gays who start shit, like pick mes but for gender identity.
No.2957
>>2955I don't know this guy so I checked his account and it's full of retweets about the war in Palestine so I give up. I don't want to hear about that all the time. What kind of bs is he saying about yaoi and fujoshi? I'd rather not have a male talk about it unless he's a fudanshi and he's just being a deranged fanboy like all of us.
No.2958
>>2955I'm too lazy to check him out but I'm completely fine with gay male fudanshis as long as they're not misogynistic. At least they can actually stick it to all the aidens and TIMs screaming fetishization of muh gay men.
No.2959
>>2956It's actually very cringe how most trans men online who preach "muh fetishization" are also the same trans men who say "i thought i was a cringe fujoshi until i realized i was just a trans man projecting", therefore putting down and attacking other potential trans men. Their hypocrisy and misogyny is insane and literally right under their retarded noses and they cant even see it.
No.2961
late for the party, but let me give you my experience with discord
for this we go back into the ancient past
far far back into 2015
or maybe 16, but im p sure it was 15
could be 14 too but idk
lets go with 15, give or take
anyway
back then you could use discord on the browser without an account
just as a guest
hey remember when online stuff used to let you do that?
just using it without bothering with an account?
good times
i remember one MMO i used- im getting offtrack
ok so i joined this server of a 3d animator
she had her own ocs and even original universe and would write stories and sometimes animate a scene or another
p talented tbh
the server was created mainly for dank memes tho
and everybody bullied her
not me tho i was a good girl (back when i still had a heart)
it was fun
so yea i dont actually remember much, but i do remember banter and it was also the first time i was encouraged to do creative stuff
like writing and drawing
i sucked at both
still do
but im getting better at drawing
yea im still drawing everyday
in fact *pulls out notepad im using as a sketchbook* i have done 15 drawings already
more than the one a day i planned
mostly copying other ppls homework
i can actually copy down things from the screen into paper somewhat accurately
but when i try to draw on my own its just bad
well, im making progress
i have learned that i really like drawing boys showing off their tummy
i wanna learn to draw abs tho
but i still gotta study anatomy
literally only the other day i finally learned that the elbows are supposed to be aligned with the bellybutton
crazy stuff, huh?
also the ribcage has exactly- nvm i already forgot how many ribs
anyway what was i talking about? *scrolls up*
oh yea, the golder years of discord
not much else to add tbh
just blah blah blah things used to be good, now its all ruined
everybody has heard this 1000x times already
its true tho
well irc isnt much better, its like nonas were saying
deader than dead these days
but the average iq is certainly much higher bc all the drooling retards got reeled by discord
No.2962
>>2900yea honestly thats the main problem, really
kids these days are just really fucking stupid
at least back in the 90s ppl had to at least be able to operate a computer to go online
now any dumbfuck- in fact, literal toddlers arent being sent to cyberspace so the parents dont have to bother with parenting
hence the mass migration of ppl to the internet and the consequential braindamage that follows from being in hyperreality since you were born
is there even a final solution to this?
bc idk if yk, but one day all boomers are gonna die and zoomers will inherit this earth and they will have to make sure everything keeps running smoothly
thats not good
not just them, gen alpha too
now THAT might actually be p bad
>>2915>There's a lot of female shota artistsyea i get that impression too
it always comes as a small surprise when i see a female artist drawing shota
like 'what? there are women into this?'
if i remember right one of them is uhhhhhh that one that made the thing uhhhh with gems
steven universe
i remember some whining bc she drew gay ed edd n eddy porn
rebecca sugar?
some name like that, that sounds totally made up
but whatever, i think popular media artists making fucked up porn is based
anything that makes normies seethe
>>2954>Zoomers have a ghosting problem too, they're not shy about ditching others that might make them look cringe (so good luck having a real conversation about anything).not like ppl on the internet are real humans anyway
they are all fake and gay personas
even i have trouble taking shit online seriously
but ig it should be different for zoomers since internet is their literal life and how they mainly socialize
for me, cyberspace is just a different dimension of existence
i cant imagine just discarding ppl like that irl
maybe the ghosting that zoomers do come from a different place tho
they might just be too poorly socialized to actually be able to talk things out with other ppl and make peace after a falling out
>Sorry to bring the topic back up, I've been really salty about this for awhile but like everyone here, I have 0 outlet.its ok nona, feel free to ramble about whats in your heart all you want
i promise ill read even if i dont have much to say in response
>>2955>not sure where else to post this so just dropping it hereig this is already became the venting thread
>that fubroshi twitter accountliterally who
>he's a "cis gay male fujo ally"sounds cringe
wtf even is a fujo ally?
leave this sort of rhetoric to the trannies
No.2963
>>2962>>2961No offense but you talk like dave strider from homestuck.
No.2964
>>2963Can we just name this fujo Dave
No.2965
>>2873>I'm pretty sure mihoyo commissioned them to make art of them because that ship is fucking dreadfully boringNa, it's just how gen x work. Works are just a base for their headcanons.
No.2966
>>2874I dunno anon, maybe it's because I don't like it, but making a movie for a niche eternally running BL manga isn't the best idea. It's the same as acid town, which is borderline unreadable.
>>2884
>That said the people who call Genshin's story "innocent" are outing themselves as speedrunning the archon quests without paying any attention and not doing the world quests or events. Child sex trafficking and drugs being introduced in Fontaine coming as a surprise to people when Enkanomiya routinely killed off its child puppet rulers so that they wouldn't grow up and question things around them and the people of Tsurumi ripping out a child's heart out of his chest as a sacrifice to appease the thunderbird. Dottore strangled a fellow student who was in love with him and left her to be mauled by tigers in the wild, Childe lowers his lifespan to use his foul legacy transformation, oh and that one lantern rite story about the couple who murdered a woman and disfigured her body so badly she couldn't be recognized to fake the girlfriend's death so they could elope together. Sorry for the Genshin sperg, I just hate how all the great things in the game and the huge world inside of it gets constantly undermined by stupid memes and people hating it just for being so popular.It's because a lot of this stuff is related to side quests or ancient role books that most people won't even remember or make sense. When it comes to main charterers' genshin is very concerned that you like them and they stay on the clean side (especially the waifus, they take some risks with male characters), but there is no child killer playable characters or dead waifu playable character.
No.2967
>>2955It's just another twitter personality, like with shipperinjapan and similar who got big with YoI. It's very common on twitter, you establish a personality and run with it. And to be honest, I'd take them better than any he/they transmasc 17 years old raging at JP artist.
Somehow every fucking time I see a "man" on twitter talking about BL they always have a carr when they go like "he/they transmac, 16-17 years Proship DNI".
No.2969
>>2967i hate twitter wordsalad personalities
>>2961you type as if you're writing song lyrics. beautiful
No.2971
>>2970Everybody knows that transmen aren't accepted but merely tolerated by their fellow rainbow berets.
No.2973
>>2967I think boyfriend is an interesting phenomenon, I think it shows despite the number of cuntboys fics on AO3 rising, it's actually NOT very accepted and people who actually want and read BL have no interests in vaginas.
No.2974
>>2958Do misogynistic gay men even exist? I've never seen one, to me most of them look like they mind thier own way.
No.2975
>>2974There are plenty of them but they're less vocal and dangerous than the average straight male misogynist.
No.2976
>>2974Yes.
>>2975Gay men literally run the fashion industry and are the reason for women all over hating themselves. I would say straight men are only worse because they actually bother to rape or harm, while gay men only destroy your self esteem.
No.2977
>>2974Yeah they do, some have tried to befriend me because I am female and they see women as disposable mommies to fuck with.
Not all gay dudes do this, but treat gay dudes like all other dudes until they have proven themselves to be bros.
No.2978
>>2976I'd rather have my self-esteem destroyed by some boomer faggot with somewhat good taste in fashion than be raped and murdered or honor killed by random men I come across on a daily basis tbh. I mean, I never even had self-esteem issues because of fashion despite barely being able to find clothes my size until recently, meanwhile I grew up being scared for my life because of my parents, especially my father, beating the shit out of me as a child for being a girl and all the boomer and gen X women in my family had to deal with domestic abuse or getting cheated on. Gay men tend to be indirect when being sexist unless you're a female celebrity.
No.2980
>>2955I can't stand him, but I just can't stand twitter humor. It's always the same fandom jokes over and over, with people trying to make the characters fit whatever buzzwords are popular to reduce them to, like "himbo" and whatnot.
No.2981
>>2873Kek that was me yeah. I can't imagine dedicating so much time to something you don't play or don't care.
No.2984
>>2983I wonder why bisexuals have higher odds than homosexuals.
No.2985
>>2984I don't know if it's theorized in the study but my guess is that it's because women who identify as bisexual statistically have higher chance of sexual trauma and problems with substance abuse which also affects their mental stability. It's often a "chicken or egg" situation too where it's sometimes hard to tell if their bisexuality is the cause of their trauma or caused by trauma since it has a certain degree of indecisiveness/uncertainty compared to monosexuals who know what they want.
No.2990
>>2984In today culture I assume a lot of people who identify as bi are just like twitter "asexual"
No.2996
>>2995Nta but a twitter asexual is someone who calls themselves asexual while still masturbating/having sex/having sexual thoughts. Aka someone who just calls themself asexual to feel special.
No.2997
>>2990i don’t have any commentary on the statistics but i fully believe this, especially for women. i’ve seen too many “bi” girls who will go on the whole “uuuuu step on me mommyyyy yes queen” spiel for female celebrities or anime characters or whatever, but will gag at the idea of actually eating pussy. sorry for the rant.
No.2999
>>2997I'm convinced these type of "bisexuals" only think they're bisexual because they find other women good looking sometimes and psyop themselves into thinking they're kweer for that (because being straight is boring). 100% of them would never date a women (they just say women are too scary/intimidating/they're shy) and they're always in relationships with men and do the "we both leer at women in public together!" shit. I wouldn't even consider that as genuine attraction in any way, it's not like a gay man can't recognize Margot Robbie is pretty. At best they're Kinsey 2s.
No.3000
>>2995Asexual who have sex.
No.3001
>>2999>they're always in relationships with men and do the "we both leer at women in public together!" Yes, I hate this shit. I've heard women on reddit claim to do this. I can only hope they're lying.
No.3004
>>2983Would love to see the sampling size of this, as well as comparison data that shows those who did actually take their lives. Usually moids actually go through with it compared to women. I wouldn't be surprised that the brunk of suicides are actually done by MTFs. It would also be interesting to show rates of attempted suicide post adolescence.
>>2979Thisss so much. The only good male figurines I see that are consistent are the Dragon Ball ones. I guess women don't really care for buying figs too much because the market is just filled to the brim with moid tastes.
>>2996This amuses me. When I was a teenager, tumblr had me think I was some sort of asexual. Turns out I was just someone with low self-esteem and low libido due to a multitude of problems. Most 'asexuals' probably fit into this category. Well, either that, or they mistakingly believe that not focusing on relationships or not wanting one makes them some special flavor of the month LGTV.
No.3005
>>3004The only reason why men die of suicide more is a.) they are more likely to be gun owners thus have better access to a deadly weapon and b.) they have way less consideration for the people who have to deal with their death. Suicide is often a split-second decision that makes you grab whatever means are available and when women decide to do it they usually try to overdose on pills or slitting their wrists which is way less effective than taking the gun out and just shooting yourself in the head or hanging yourself (which is pretty hard to make fatal). Statistically women attempt suicide more often than men but due to this reason they are less likely to die.
No.3019
Was excited to read what looked like a good fic that was what I had been looking for more of in the fandom, but then I clicked on it and first paragraph in, one of the guys in the ship is referred to with 'they' pronouns and it wasn't tagged. (Fic was still in the m/m category, too.) I'm so tired of this fandom in English speaking spaces, I need to stop looking at it on ao3 altogether and just live on pixiv.
No.3043
The chick who drew Peacemaker Kurogane transed :(
No.3046
>>3019Pixiv for just art or you mean fics on there too? I've been tempted before and ran a couple fics from there through a translator. Quality seems good, but unless you actually speak JP it's still not the best experience
No.3050
>>3046Both art and fic. I also use a combination of google translate and deepl, but I have enough JP knowledge that I can spot common translation mistakes and understand the majority of porn dialog kek. Hopefully one day I'll be able to read some on my own when I stop slacking on kanji. I actually kind of like that you can't always tell whether a fic is badly written or not when you read through a translator, I'm just happy if I can understand what's happening. And in the case of smut, dialog is mostly all I care about anyway, so that means I don't mind the details as much. Of course, I can tell when something is very hentai-esque and not my taste, but it's definitely easier to avoid the kind of fic I'm not into compared to ao3. The non-ship fic is just better overall, too.
Sometimes I try running Chinese fic on ao3 through translate too, but the results are a lot more unreadable, especially when you've got transliterated Japanese names in the mix, and I don't have any knowledge of the language to at least make reading the porn dialog easier.
No.3051
>>3050I should also add that a lot of Russian fic is pretty good and translates much better than Japanese fic, so if you're desperate for more fic of your ship, go check it out on ficbook (Russian ao3) or see if there's any Russian fic already on ao3 for it.
No.3052
>>3051>>3050I actually tried it out a while back with Russian but there just weren't too many ships I liked in meaningful numbers. It's kind of a shame for me because speaking another eastern euro language, Russian is the only one I can pick up relatively easily. I'm eternally jealous of the Chinese because they seem to have sooo many obscure ships covered, and probably even more in more in private communities, but yeah unfortunately it doesn't translate well.
>Hopefully one day I'll be able to read some on my own when I stop slacking on kanji. If it motivates you, there's also JP M/M original works and they tend to be pretty good.
No.3058
>>3050>I also use a combination of google translate and deepl, but I have enough JP knowledge that I can spot common translation mistakes and understand the majority of porn dialog kek.Oh hey, I do the same thing. A lot of the time when I had to rely on AO3 for fics I'd run into a random untagged trans fic or something and it'd totally ruin my mood, but I've had way less headaches ever since I started reading jp fics for the most part instead. Jp authors always tag top/bottom order and you will pretty much always know what you're in for from the tags/description. I'd recommend it to anyone who has basic level japanese knowledge and doesn't want to deal with western fandom's bullshit.
No.3083
>>2999most annoying ass yumes are "bisexual" women but then only ship themselves with men and hate seeing their husbando shipped with guys. a lot of internet bisexuals are just straight homophobes who know they can get away with it by calling themselves bi.
No.3089
Ran into an untagged cuntboy fic for the first time in months even after blacklisting every keyword possible. I am sincerely wishing the worst on anyone who does this and praying they will be struck down soon. Yes I'm irrationally mad over a single fic, there is literally nothing to lose by tagging it. They'll tag kinks/fetishes that get mentioned for a SINGLE line but not something as significant as an entire genital change, how does that make any fucking sense? It's like retards want to be annoying on purpose.
No.3090
>>3089That would piss me off as well, honestly. You're right in that I can't imagine it'd take any real effort to add it to the tags.
No.3097
>>3089It's because they want to force you to accept "trans" as a "default" thing, as something you're not supposed to question.
The same shit happens with untagged/unmentioned headcanon pronouns. Coming on to a fic with full on they/them out of nowhere, SOMETIMES the transfem x get a warning "male character with she/her" which is equally as retarded and annoying.
Both cuntboy (cuntboy is usually "derogatory" so people don't use it, leading to no tagging) and Trans x character coupled with pronoun headcanons are total biohazards of fanfic.
No.3098
>>3097>It's because they want to force you to accept "trans" as a "default" thing, as something you're not supposed to question.I hate this reasoning the most because it just comes from the idea that fandom is activism. And they use it as an excuse to label anyone who doesn't like it or wants it tagged as transphobic. Sorry but I don't give a shit about your virtuous mission to normalize trans bodies and never will, what does it matter to you if someone doesn't want to read that garbage? It reminds me of when people used to get shamed for liking strict top/bottom dynamics and you were forced to write switching to prove you weren't fetishizing gay men when fanfiction is supposed to be a self-indulgent thing. I'm not here to read a realistic portrayal of how moids have sex, plus strict tops/bottoms exist irl anyway. If switching justice warriors care about accuracy so much then they'd be on the frontlines fighting for "side" representation but obviously you won't see a single soul doing that because they like anal sex. Fucking hate how people in fandom disguise their attempts at shoving their preferences down people's throats as moral superiority and fighting for a social cause.
No.3100
>>3098To this day the virtue signaling switchfags still pervade fandoms. Fuck them. I know deep down they actually prefer a strict top/bottom dynamic but are too cowardly to admit it
No.3110
I've seen two different people call their FFXIV OC a him even though it's a character that doesn't even have a flat chest with masectomy scars but just flat out actual boobs and I'm stunned at the sheer amount of delusion on display here. The most literal variant of "Draw a girl call it a guy." These people really want me to see it as an M/M pairing when that sort of character is paired with a male, with full boobs and pussy on display and the character giving birth to their fankid. I love this game but the english speaking fanbase is definitely full of annoying genderspecials.
No.3111
>>3098>It reminds me of when people used to get shamed for liking strict top/bottom dynamicssadly that still happens to this very day, even on this site. most would agree that changing the gender of characters fundamentally alters the dynamics and enjoyment of a ship (eg A/B as M/F is different from A/B as M/M or F/F and vice versa) so why is the idea that A/B != B/A so unfathomable?
the debacle with treating shipping as a political statement is just one example of how detrimental that emphasis on "good" representation has been on fandom. the og fujos and shashers probably never intended their works to be treated as representation, they were simply prioritizing their own fun. insisting that all fujo fanwork must adhere to the framework of acceptable representation was already putting the cart before the horse.
No.3112
>>3111Meh, I don't see much discourse for top and bottom in the west. Japan is super autistic about it.
No.3115
>>3113I personally have found my tastes shift too. I'll go back to a series I used to love and find I'm not as into the same characters, young me had terrible tastes!
I think it's just a facete of aging though, almost all of the character I no longer care as much about are teenagers with conflicts focused around school-age content. I think I just can't relate as much, on the flip side it give me more appreciation for parents and teacher characters.
Is Kaburagi one of the characters no longer liking or a boy you didn't used to appreciate that you do now? Haven't seen T&B since it aired, loved Barnaby a lot, but I was probably because I was into Megane. I would probably have very different opinions on the show nowadays.
No.3124
>>3113Humbling to realize some of my tw/eens OTPs and beloved characters were essentially "teh bishes!!!" dudebros often accuse fangirls of being like.
>maybe to have the majority of content in a fandom?This was definitely the case for a LOT of the fanstuff I read in the 00s. The stuff I actually produced art/fic for was real and persists to some degree in my head today, but the majority of everything I consumed I just did because it was there and in abundance and yaoi really activated my almonds for some reason. I don't think it's shameful to admit to yourself you grew out of certain loves, or to hold it against your past self for being untrue to the taste of your present self (I type while remembering how much money I spent on Inuyasha manga and getting mad about it 20 years later god fuck you, me).
No.3125
>>31224chans userbase is just pedos, misogynists or both (trannies) these days
No.3130
>>3047The fujoshi to ayden pipeline is real.
>>3089>Yes I'm irrationally mad over a single fic, there is literally nothing to lose by tagging it.You are not 'irrationally' mad. There is a rational reason to be upset over untagged stuff. It feels like wasted time reading something that you purposely tried to avoid.
>>3098This is the reason why I can't even with western fandoms. I don't interact with anyone, I just post my art and my fic and then leave, hoping someone will enjoy it. I don't even respond to the activists anymore.
>>3122>unironic 3dpd pedo posts.Sounds like either a soyjak party brigade, the feds, or an actual pedo…it's probably all three. 4chan is a honeypot so it really isn't surprising.
No.3131
>>3113Tastes changing is normal, especially when you're going through puberty as a teenager.
>Was I lying to myself to pick a different fav from my friends or maybe to have the majority of content in a fandom? If I can't find others to talk about the ships I like with I find myself losing interest in those ships. At the same time I bounce off of the excitement other fujos have for ships that would otherwise not interest me.
No.3132
>>3115I think what bothers me about it so much is how void-ish the feeling is. It's not just that they're not interesting it's that my brain recognizes something's been lost.
>teenagers with conflicts focused around school-age contentI thought about that, and I'm currently following series with school kids and have no such trouble. Which makes it seem like it's the recentness of something? But not always?
I picked out Kotetsu from my old folder because while looking for anything saved that had that feeling I remembered how I felt while watching S2. I'd been SO into T&B when S1 aired, I spent a small fortune on merch and was absolutely crazy for it. Merch I'd been desperate for in the past but couldn't proxy had revamped releases during S2 and I didn't care, I watched S2 feeling like I didn't care. It was surreal. I had Kotetsu as my desktop wallpaper during college and drew art for days and now it's like my affection's gone into the negative for no reason. Other shows from back then aren't like that.
He wasn't the subject of the original conversation though. We were talking about shounen like Death Note and Rurouni Kenshin. I didn't like Light back then but now I see this huge potential for some humiliation/bluffing kink that trumps whatever L had going on. Sanosuke/Kenshin was the first explicit slash I read, some angelfire posted story about Kenshin instructing him to enter the bath shed and guiding him through each step. I had pictures of Kenshin on my school books, and made RPG characters named Sanosuke like he was my thing since my friend liked Kenshin.
But Hiko was and still is far more my type. He's got the tits, he's got ramming shoulders, he's got those two drapes of hair adorning it, and he's got a warm gruffness, he's antisocial and has a hundred bad habits you could kick him for and he'd take it with a taunting provocation to put your back into it. You see how much more fondly I remember this guy and I don't think I've touched the series since the first live action film came out. I had a fascination with fics that discussed him but would hide them from my friends out of embarrassment. Never knew why but I guess teenage girls aren't meant to like muscle.
>>3124>YYH>InuyashaSeries I read fics for even when I hadn't seen them, because the fics were available and it felt like a whole world of devious adventures. It really was a feeling you don't get as an adult. You're right, I can't regret the fun I had back then or hold it against myself that kid me went for easy options back when it was much harder to find things. It's just that it feels like fulfilling a negative stereotype like the one you mention. Being phony for the sake of participating in fandom is detestable, but back then my interaction with fandom was passing webpages to my real life school friend and a couple girls on AIM/MSN I'd met through oekaki. It's not the same thing.
No.3133
>>3131The social aspect really matters sometimes. I used to be the joker in my friend groups who'd make funny meme edits of everything, but after covid I realized I'd stopped making anything because everyone had moved or gone quiet. I didn't know who I was going to make laugh or if what I made would be funny to other people. I think it's the same with ship material, you start creating scenarios that appeal to someone else and collaborate on the what ifs. Everyone eggs each other on and validates new interpretations of the source.
Sorry I just wrote a whole essay. ;;
No.3134
>>3122Are you talking about the /cm/ shota threads? /cm/ is so horribly unmoderated it's just basically sfw /y/, You have the same ragetard faggotry of /y/ just with a twink/femboy loving flavor because the faggots at /y/ hate everything that isn't a bear with more hair than flesh.
The shota threads specifically is full of moids talking about how they wish to be a shota again or just 3 posts away talking about how they want to molest children. It's gross.
There's just something so filthy about men talking about being faggots, I don't give a fuck that you missed out on teenage love or that you didn't fuck your twink friend when he was prepubescent, post about anime men or gtfo
No.3135
>>3134Are you sure isn't a bunch of tif? Those are the ones I typically associate with boyhood obsession.
No.3136
>>3135I've said before somewhere but it is definitely guys, and I've witnessed discord drama where one of them got excited trying to ask a femanon to date him/send pics. Either he was a teenage boy or was flawlessly roleplaying one, voice and all.
Male shota posters have been a problem on /cm/ since at least the 00s. In 2007 it was the fetish spammers, now it's the No Girls Allowed clubs who do nothing but blog about real life shit and screech at the existence of women. They act just like the gay furries on /vp/ who think they're allowed to post whatever the fuck they want because they're guys.
No.3137
>>3134I noticed it was more frequent on /cm/ too. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when I was going on some /v/ archive to see discussions of the new Shotaxmonsters game and some dipshit posted some 3dpd picture in the thread (technically its sfw but still) and I got the fuck out.
At least I was able to talk to some anons about the game on /cm/ in a span of a couple of threads. When I first saw it, I thought it was just some bad luck and the mods will take care of it. But now every thread there's some cunt alluding the 3dpds, which I don't like.
Legit Pedos are annoying because there's already a stigma on shota because westerners can't comprehend the concept of anime escapism. And I don't want to see 3dpd in general; and all cosplay makes me cringe.
No.3138
>>3136>the No Girls Allowed clubs who do nothing but blog about real life shit and screech at the existence of women. I need men and mtfs of /u/ to get the same treatment
No.3139
>>3137It's not like that stigma of shota is going to change any time soon, especially since that incident where a British male paedophile managed to get a scholarly article about masturbating to shota published by a major journal.
No.3141
>>3136Why are you even going on there?
No.3142
>>3141nayrt but well….as you can see…you can't post shota here anymore…
and a lot of fujo spaces absolutely detest shota, you can talk about agegap noncon incest all you want but shota is absolute no-no, the most you can do is unfortunately have to rely on /cm/
No.3143
>>3142Kek kinda funny, they made this place for fujos and yet fujos still don't feel comfortable talking about some stuff here
No.3146
>>3141I've been using /cm/ since before many of those guys were born. Some /a/ and /vg/ groups moved there because we didn't have enough people to keep a thread bumped, and /jp/ wasn't welcoming to fujos. Most of that's gone to shit or died now though.
As for the shota threads? Some of them because the guys posting them were directly antagonizing fujo threads then acting like we couldn't just open their thread and see them talking about us, and after that I was just curious what kind of shitshow came from threads where the OP said MEN ONLY or whined about persecution. I'm one of those cunts who loves to report a stupid post and see them get up in arms that it was deleted.
No.3181
>>3180China is such a shithole, I feel bad for fujoshi from there. Isn't Taiwan still trying to be as independent as possible from China? I thought it would be safe from China's strict laws.
No.3182
>>3180Well this is one of the worst things I've heard in a while. Idk if Taiwan can hold out with countries around it pressuring them, but I hope they do.
No.3184
>>3180This reminds me of when a high school friend of mine would print out NSFW fanfic and we'd pass it around. We never got caught, I guess because it looked like we were reviewing a paper or something.
IMO BL keeps girls away from real boys for much longer than average and should be seen as a tool for protecting virginity by conservatives.
No.3185
>>3047Feels bad. A good thing that gendies didn't bother updating her Wikipedia page?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanae_Chrono>Nanae Chrono, known in Japan as Nanae Kurono (黒乃 奈々絵, Kurono Nanae, born June 18, 1980 in Tochigi, Japan) is a female Japanese manga artist. >>3180US nuked the wrong country.
No.3186
>>3180I guess it's only a matter of time until they get GLs too, huh? At least Chinese fujos have that AO3 proxy to live off of.
No.3188
>>3181Taiwan is the most liberal country with gay rights in the entirety of Asia, they even legalized gay marriage so I don't think they'd be banning BL any time soon. They're protected by Japan and the US because it's basically their foot in the door for important sea routes in the pacific and due to their massive chip production supplying the entire world. If China ever decides to invade it, it would be an all-out clash between those three countries so there's a lot at stake.
No.3189
>>3186Yuri was never banned or treated as badly as BL
No.3236
I'm tired of yuri, yurifags, constantly have to pander to yuri and lesbians despite the fact the average yuri fans despise BL and fucking hate male characters in media. It's literally not possible to have a space where male characters are celebrated and sexualized like moeblob are for straight guys because we constantly try to appeal to a group that hates BL.
No.3237
>>3236>>3189Look at the actual anime industry too. There's several yuri or yuribait anime per season, we don't have that same equivalent for BL in anime. Yurifags don't want to admit it's because yuri appeals to otakus too and won't piss them off the same way that fujobait will. Anime overall has gotten less friendly for fujos, besides Utsumi there are no directors who would even make an anime original with fujobait. Actual BL manga either gets no budget or is outright cancelled like the Ten Count adaptation.
No.3243
>>3236>>3237The witch from mercury and its consequences have been a disaster for the fujoshi race. No really, memes aside it genuinely feels like yurifags have gotten 100 times more obnoxious because a massive franchise like Gundam has pandered to them.
No.3247
>>3236I have also seen an uptick in braindead yurifriend takes lately and I can't quite pinpoint why. My theory is because they are eating well in canon works like
>>3237 and
>>3243 say but are still not getting all the good fandom stuff in the numbers fujos produce.
>>3243>it genuinely feels like yurifags have gotten 100 times more obnoxious because a massive franchise like Gundam has pandered to themSulemio seems to be their first taste of having a Ao3 tag that is both modern + over 1k works and now they are getting addicted to it. To me western femslashers seem more sane by comparison because they eat well fandom-wise.
No.3248
>>3247>both modern + over 1k worksSamefagging to elaborate that, while there are lots of f/f tags in weeb fandoms with over 1k, nearly all of them are "I have tagged this f/f sideship because I am a fucking idiot who is polluting the ship tag/farming engagement" type of work. When you click on the Sulemio tag all of the works are actually about Sulemio! That is pretty special for yuri in an anime that isn't explicitly a yuri anime.
No.3251
>>3243Yuri gets pandering in more anime while fujos get nothing, but then they also feel entitled to more fanfiction, even though a lot of yuri anime doesn't lend itself to getting a lot of fanfiction anyway. One can only write the same first crush high school girls story so many times.
No.3256
>>3243>>3251yuri and yaoi need not be a zero-sum game, so i would be happy for yurifags if not for the fact that much of the recent stuff is so obviously "safe" f/f material that moids and troons would deem unthreatening. the popularity of sulemio reminds me a bit of nanoha/fate back from the 2000s. it was the seminal yuri ship of the time, one of those so obvious it hurts, official in all but name kind of deals. but more importantly, it was still palatable for scrotes. give us more butch x butch f/f ships to make the moids, troons and TRAs seethe.
No.3277
>>3236I'm a lesbian and even I hate yurifags too. Of the actually female yuri fans for some weird reason like 80% of them are lowkey homophobic straight women obsessed with hyperfeminine lesbians (GNC to them means a mommy wearing a suit, actual butches and tomboys are considered gross and predatory) for some class S skinwalking reasons, the rest are both really smug about liking GL/yuri and also chronically angry and bitter at fujoshit being more popular. They demand an explanation for not liking yuri as a lesbian and when you explain your reasoning, they put their fingers in their ears and accuse you of faking your sexuality while forcefully pushing their retarded schoolgirl romance/malegaze porn down your throat. A really, really exhausting bunch to be around.
No.3278
>>3277Bisexual but otherwise the same.
>they put their fingers in their ears and accuse you of faking your sexuality When you hear this enough you start to believe it too.
No.3284
I hate finding a fic author who is amazing writer but turns out to be the most annoying person ever once you find any of their socials. Completely ruins their writing for me. Like how is someone so talented so lame… And such a moral purist too, like you write RPF incest fics, gawd.
No.3430
>>3387I haven't really played this game in a while but I always loved these two. I don't understand what you mean by "dead" though
No.3542
>>3430it’s because Mayoi is graduating and leaving Shinobu alone again. they recently had an angsty event in game about it. i don’t know if there’ll be more content of them in the next installment of the story
to rant i’m tired of seeing moid’s freaky fetishes on pixiv. i hate how you have to pay for basic filtering. i felt ashamed about some of the shit i like, but jesus christ they manage to outdo even the most disgusting fujo with their kinks. there is hyperrealistic AI CP everywhere. i feel like i’m on a list everytime i use it
No.3543
>>3542For what its worth, you can filter AI in settings for free.
No.3549
>>3321Back again to keep yelling how good these ships are looking and how I keep absorbing random lore about later chapters and fandom jokes. There's now 58 chapters MTL on the scam site and they had to up and change name and URLs after fleecing people of money and not delivering anything. The temptation is so real, but the pain when I try to read this garbage is deeply frustrating.
Another novel I've been reading through the official avenues has typos constantly that let you know it's translated by a real person with no editor and very tough deadlines. But at chapter 43 they start to have problems with pronouns and a couple sentences make absolutely zero sense. I'm glad I stopped buying chapters and waited for freebie coins because it's starting to look like more unedited MTL. No wonder people fall for scam sites when the legal ones begin to look just the same.
No.3550
>>3549I once got so curious and annoyed about a side story that was never getting translated that I ended up mtl'ing it myself using a combo of Deepl, Google Translate, and Chatgpt. I'd basically compare them and then use my own knowledge of the material to make up the difference.
It took pretty long, but honestly it wasn't too bad for a private translation only I would read. I wonder if it's possible to do that for Korean.
No.3552
>>3550There's a large portion of Korean WN fandom who do that, but in order to you need to sign up and pay for chapters on the Korean websites (according to guides I've read you need to pay by credit card and provide photos of ID with your birth date which I don't have anything current for). I do feel like if MTL is the only option and I don't know the language well enough to fiddle with DeepL/Google to get better results (you know how breaking Japanese sentences up can help it along but you need to recognize the sentence structures?), then I might as well read the freebie job and mentally correct it as I go. Either way it won't be a comfortable reading experience but at least I can rip the scam MTL to read on my ereader like I usually do.
Not related but I wasn't very good at learning Japanese, so seeing other fans saying "just learn Korean" is like a massive reminder that I'm thick and have trouble reading English to begin with. I'm extremely slow and have to shut out distractions. ;__; I prefer novels to their adaptations in almost all cases but the comics I can interpret through pictures and short translations are always handed out for free while the paywall locked novels cost more per season than buying a weapon-worthy genre fiction paperback, and I have no guarantee I'll understand basic actions. My brain throws a childish tantrum just thinking about it.
OK, actually, disregard that I'm retarded. I'm looking at the guide again and it says RidiBooks only charges 7 cents per chapter, so how is it English services charge 30-99 cents a chapter and they can't even proofread when they copypaste sentences in the middle of other sentences? The volumed epubs are like $2.40 a go with the first being free. That's kind of amazing. Okay maybe I'll compare what I can MTL of the free chapters to the scam site's ones and have another think.
No.3560
I hate multishippers so damn much.
It's hard to explain because some multi shipping is fine but I the hate fujocoomer specifically. The type of fujo without an OTP or any actual attachment to the ships they ships and they can just "ship" whatever character with whoever as long as someone is dicking or getting dicked.
Even more so it rattles me if some characters have NO interaction or chemistry whatsoever. It reeks of the male behavior which is like "kaworu fucking mari because lmao"/"giyuu fucking nezuko because coom". Shit that makes no sense and is just there because it has a bottom bicycle to you in it.
It feels like less an less people have any genuine attachments to anything and that's why everyone can quickly move on from shit since they weren't even invested to begin with.
No.3561
>>3560Preach, sister. Cooming without love for the ship (or at the very least the dynamic) is just weird to me.
>everyone can quickly move on from shit since they weren't even invested to begin withOn the plus side it's easier to spot a potential friend if you see that their ships are either old or have a long paper trail.
No.3562
>>3560This puts it into words pretty well, and you're right. While I can understand thinking that multiple pairings would work for a given character if they have strong chemistry with numerous other characters, a lot of the time, it's absolutely random with no greater sense of the writing or what would actually be plausible given their personalities. It often seems like it's born from a greater focus on aesthetics than actual affection for a piece of media, like, "yeah, both of these characters are attractive, so they should get together." There's very little thought given to the actual writing and dynamic, which defeats the whole purpose. Not to mention how these characters end up being OOC in fan works, so it's as though they're not shipping the two characters at all, but rather, two OCs wearing their skin.
No.3563
>>3562though theres truly a special joy in a fujo pairing two characters together "just because they look good" but then it turns into genuine attachment and even if the laws of canon defies their character, the fujo goes out of her way to create a mythos for her beloved otp. we need to embrace more crackships imo
No.3564
>>3560Yeah, I understand how you feel. Admittedly I've seen well drawn porn of gachashit I don't play but given them twitter likes because it's still nice art but if an artist were to just draw something like that with no attachment to the characters and their dynamics it'd be like those male artists who will draw popular female characters bent over, in skimpy outfits and showing their tits to the viewer regardless of what they're like in their source material.
No.3565
>>3563AYRT and I apologize if I sounded judgmental about crackships, as that wasn't my intent. I've seen some crackships where, when I thought about it more deeply than was probably intended, I could completely see where the shipper was coming from, even if it initially seemed bizarre/random. However, in those instances, there was genuinely a degree of affection for the characters and a passion which I feel is becoming more and more rare. Even if I don't 'get' something, I'm happy to see someone else be passionate about it, as long as it's genuine. The more unhinged analysis and creating a world in which it can work, the better. I just hate the modern culture of irony where people can't just enjoy something authentically and actually feel attachment to it. It feels as though it always has to be couched in a layer of "isn't this craaazy?" or "oh, I just think they're hot," as if that will deflect judgment. I get why enjoying things 'ironically' is tempting, as it serves as a sort of shield against being rejected or criticized, but it also just sucks to see because it's kind of isolating when something you like unironically is enjoyed 'ironically' by most people. Then again, I'm incredibly boring with like 80% of my ships and still insist on doing overly-detailed analysis on their dynamics despite it being self-explanatory and obvious, so I'm probably not the person to be having this discussion lol.
No.3570
>>3560>Even more so it rattles me if some characters have NO interaction or chemistry whatsoever. It reeks of the male behavior which is like "kaworu fucking mari because lmao"/"giyuu fucking nezuko because coom". Shit that makes no sense and is just there because it has a bottom bicycle to you in it.God anon lmao I'm so fucking autistic about this and I hate it too, I feel like a complete killjoy but I can't stand it. Just make a faceless mob or something, these weird ass coomships are so unsexy they're almost comedic.
>It feels like less an less people have any genuine attachments to anything and that's why everyone can quickly move on from shit since they weren't even invested to begin with.I agree and this is exactly why it bothers me so much as well. Just know that there's someone out there who knows where you're coming from with this. It's such a testament to the current consoomer culture where nothing is meant to be enjoyed and savored but it simply exists for a quick coom and that's it. No relationship building or lore or setting up an erotic dynamic, just pointless cooming. Put some soul into your porn for the love of god.
No.3571
>>3560OTPers who only do the one ship can have just as thin a grasp on the characters they like. I'm thinking of the type who churn out nothing but mundane AUshit, omegaverse, mermaid fic, or just OOC shoving the characters into generic personality molds even when it's canon setting. Fanart where the characters look nothing like themselves is included, they're basically OCs at that point.
I guess there are people who'll read anything for porn but I get more annoyed at the people who are very dedicated to my OTP but only churn out garbage.
No.3572
>>3571I feel so seen reading your post kek. I have a favourite OTP that I really love and know their character lore and interactions inside out yet they also have a ton of bandwagon hoppers who got abroad making all these retarded mermaid AUs while having only a very surface level grasp of their dynamic and personalities. You can draw a very intricate picture of them in the nonsensical AU of your choice but it genuinely seems like you're just doing your OCs at this point, I'll enjoy someone's subpar art much more if they actually care about the characters as they are.
No.3573
>>3571I love thinking about the variety of dynamics when different characters get paired up and how they'd interact, but I do get really annoyed when people just use characters to make their own oc rather than thinking deeply about how the actual characters would actually go about it.
Especially when they make the seme into a super darling or even an abusive dom when the actual character was nerding out over kittens and shit.
No.3582
>>3575Eh, I think it's fine if the self-insert character considers himself a man. I find the variation where the fujoshi doesn't want to do gay shit because muh purity of BL or she's still a straight girl more infuriating.
No.3593
I absolutely despise the term "coom", and I get that that's the point, making it sound detestable, but oh my god I cannot stand it. It doesn't help that my multishipper ass is rattling over here because what the fuck do you mean there's people who can call something a ship with no dynamics or sense of personalities? It's a ship, isn't it? I'm not into very big fandoms so I only have a vague notion of this kind of artist who pumps out artwork for mass appeal, but that's the best I can imagine this referring to. People who aren't actually into a series but make art to gain followers and sell prints or something? I don't know much about that world.
For me the point of shipping (things that aren't heavily suggested) is you pick out various traits of each character and use them to say "if x is like this then y would be like this". That's the fun of shipping, and if you see multiple options for characters then it's contrasting what each dynamic is like. The relationship between a guy and his school friend is different from him and someone he met through work. The same character might have casual physical intimacy with one person in a ship, but be self conscious with another, because people behave differently with different contexts. It allows you to appreciate many facets of a character's behavior and personality without having to pick sides on which ship is most enjoyable to them. Because let's face it, sometimes you want a short fic where he's emotionally broken and falls into a deeply unhealthy relationship with that one guy he was always competitive with. You don't want him permanently in that miserable feisty state, but you want a taste, and you want to see if the rival remains unsatisfied and begins to question what he's achieved in all this time they butted heads. Oh you fucked up, buddy, and now you only have each other to comfort yourselves but neither of you wants to acknowledge it. Take the loss dumbass and buy him puddi.
I don't usually think of how sex scenes go unless someone else provides a prompt about it. Even then I usually take time building up circumstances for it and the reactions. Only unshakeable pairings really get a lot of sex but that's because I replay different circumstances for them. Isn't that just how daydreaming goes?
>>3575I was reading a comedy with fairly appealing art with this kind of concept, and for the most part it was alright but I do wish the MC would fully accept being who they are now. I get that they remember being a fujoshi and which pairs they rooted for, but in this new world, up to the point they acquired those memories, they only had fifteen years of experience of being a boy. That lifetime doesn't just vanish, the memories of before should be weaker than the present. They should be the boy first and foremost, and memories of a fujoshi second.
No.3594
>>3593I think I know what manga you're talking about and I would drop it unless you're REALLY enjoying it, the protagonist ends up with the female childhood friend she talks about when she says she think she's a straight man now.
No.3597
>>3575>people posting about how they want to fuck the bottom of their OTP This is incredibly common it makes me mad because I feel like somehow you're in the wrong if you're not thirsting over the characters you're shipping. I'm shipping them BECAUSE I want them to fuck EACH OTHER not me, or me fucking them.
No.3598
I apologise to all the nona who see me say "imagine if you (verbs and so on)" or "I'm going to (verb) him", I work by proxy and never consider it actually myself in the scenario. I just arrange the dolls to make it happen.
No.3606
>>3593What do you use in place of coom? I agree but at the same time any iteration of "I'm cumming" doesn't have the same impact.
No.3607
>>3593>and I get that that's the point, making it sound detestableit's just a portmanteau of cum and boomer/zoomer
No.3609
>>3593never feel shame for doing what you enjoy nona! what may be a squick to others maybe how you find enjoyment in media. sometimes we feel the need to justify our grievances and squicks in order for it to be a "justifiable"
so it doesnt look like youre just being a "hater" (or maybe people already had these reasons but that doesnt matter).but its fine to just dislike something because you dont like it and thats all there is to it.
I feel this very well as a extreme picky fixed shipper and I know not everyone will perceive my otp the same way and even have 10000 word essays on why they disagree with my ways. But I just make amends that everyone have their preferences, just as I do mine (and slam that block button so I continue living in peace and happiness in my fandom containment zone)
No.3610
>>3560I hate the ones who get butthurt you're not a multishipper and they think they're better than the OTPers because they're "enlightened" by being such a coomer. But then they start lashing out against one specific pair and it's like "Bitch I thought you multishipped??" Fuck off, we know you're just trying to seem better. Fucking hate KR fandoms so fucking much
>>3571I'll contend to that. There are some OTPers who really just want the likes and to write about their OCs without really caring about the actual dynamic and relationship of the canon pairing
No.3611
>>3606I've only known it as an insult thrown around between moids. This week is the first time I see women use it or at least it being used to describe women. I'm not really sure what other contexts you'd use it aside from accusing someone of having a porn addiction lifestyle.
>>3607Personal opinion I guess but to me it's one chosen to sound like retarded baby speech, the same way people started adding "-ie" to all sorts and saying shit like "heckerino". It sounds stupid like the text form of putting on a voice to imitate someone you dislike, and gets a rise out of people, and by god I'm baited easily.
No.3613
>>3612this is why the "fetishizing gay men!!" angle is such a joke, lmao. The idea of real gay men is nasty af. At least for me. I know some women are into 3dpd but nahhh grosses me out just thinking about it.
I'm also the type of person to be really sensitive around media i like, so someone's comments can easily ruin things for me… I feel you.
No.3615
>>3612Gay and bi men tend to not have a filter, it's insane. Straight men at least wait until they're with each other to say weird shit like that. At least it's not as bad as when I had a former coworker talking in the open space office about that time
he and his friend went to a seedy gay bar and pissed in some guy's mouth for fun. He sounds so nostalgic too, and like it was peak comedy. I've heard more shit from other guys too before that.
No.3632
>>3607In all these years I never knew this. The wordfilter from "cumbrain" to "coomer" was so fast I just accepted it. I'm still mad about that because "cumbrain" is such a good term for exactly those kinds of people and coomer taking its place almost immediately makes me tinfoil that 4chan moderation thought it was TOO good.
No.3633
>>3626Drop the @ anon, i'm bored and would love to see more of this shit, it's fascinating.
No.3635
>>3633@dosugonKT
They also accidentally drew incest one time, so I suppose converting your big brother into the world of siscon is also in the clear.
No.3641
I know it's all been said before but God I hate how hostile fandoms are to fujos. Men will scream and cry over fujos all day long when our unpaid labor is what keeps fandoms alive. They seethe over us making content we want to see because it's not the generic ML/FL slop they thrive off of. I often wonder if this is why M/M media was absorbed by the greater "queer issues" sphere, perhaps they assumed that liking BL would be somewhat "protected"/immune from criticism if they made it political. But then that just led to further whining about how fujos are bad and "fetishizing gay men" and interrogating fujos about our pronouns to be granted access into fujo fandom spaces. Fandom feels like it's primarily occupied by anti-fujos and self-hating fujos. It's just so lame.
No.3651
>>3635That Eva group pic they've drawn is so jarring because it gives off cursed fanfic vibes but it is 75% canon.
>>3641>Fandom feels like it's primarily occupied by anti-fujos and self-hating fujos. It does feel like this, but I think a lot of fujo2fujo communication now happens in DMs or private discords rather than in public comments. I only see the classic "group of friends who like the same ship and discuss it frequently/publicly" in huge fandoms (and people still take potshots at them). I miss when most ships had a lighthouse of sorts on LJ, it really helped lurkers like me feel connected.
No.3652
>>3651>it really helped lurkers like me feel connectedI say this every few years but this time internet REALLY did get much worse. I hate discord. I get the idea behind it and I am not even saying that every discord group was bad, but I hate how nothing is accessible anymore because 90% of the fandom discussion and fanart postings of every fandom happen in some super secret discord spaces. And every series has tons of discords since everybody and their grandma feel like creating one on their own to make it worse.
It's ironical how we did a ~160° turn and ended up in a time where talking topics are limited to private circles again. Same as in real life, just that the people meeting up do it digitally.
The beauty of the internet was that everything equally accessible so you just had to search for it and join or lurk to see everything. Now fans and sketches are spread among 200 discords with 5-2000 people each and even if you find a member and beg for an invitation (I hate that) you still miss everything that is said and posted in all the others.
No.3653
>>3651>>3652As an oldfag who was around when old forums and IRC channels were a thing I find it pretty comfy to have private groups like that, but the problem is that the invite links barely spread through word of mouth either because you practically have to cozy up to likeminded people and they'll *maybe* give you an invite to their server. But you can't really blame them. I've had multiple servers go to shit because one person invited one annoying friend who became a huge problem poisoning the entire watering hole and never gets the hint that they're not wanted there so it gets awkward if you want to kick them out because their friend gets mad and now you have this mess in your hands you're trying to defuse as delicately as possible.
People stick to this one and only community they imprinted on and try to hang on to it tooth and nail so you get power struggles everywhere you go, so most people just default back to their group chats with friends to preserve the comfy low-effort echo chamber. The older you get the less you want to spend your time dealing with online drama after your regular 9 to 5. I find myself talking to only longtime, trustworthy friends who I know won't spam me with "straight yaoi", FTM headcanons, racebait and other stupid shit you have to deal with in the mainstream now or suddenly drop a 60-page google doc on how I'm a pedo for shipping underage characters or lewding a skinny twink and leaked screenshots of our private conversations.
No.3671
Like so many other things I probably forgot and it was always that bad but you know what trendy fujo related problem I can't stand anymore?
Not being allowed to criticize a female character, gay character or any character that fans might interpret as either gay or trans or whatever, because criticizing them means you hated them for their gender or sexuality.
It's annoying because I never criticize anything without explaining in detail why. So if explain why I consider a female character a token that was solely written in for the coomers and the PR or dislike a gay dude or pairing for the writing or the total lack of gay chemistry (I even had this discourse with Buddy Daddy fans, can you imagine?) then I am talking about that, the writing. Nowhere do I hint on hating the characters for their sexuality or something.
I hate it because it not only makes people accuse me of all kind of stuff I despise myself, it also makes it impossible to mention any flaw about any character or manga/comic/book and I think that a condamnation of genuine discussion is bad.
People want to be pro gay and pro woman or pro whatever but then they lick the boots of the corporations that give them breadcrumbs, knowing well that fujos will eat it up anyway. It's especially bad if the arguments for the existence of a thing are solely based on TWEETS. Yeah wow, one of the animators casually calls a character totally a lesbian and autistic. Cool, sad we didn't see it in the actual show!
Last week it was a staff member of a cartoon who once made a joke about two male MCs flirting, so I am homophobic for complaining that there was no gay in the series. Damn this really. Not in the show = not canon for me. Criticizing how a character is written =! criticizing their sexuality/sex/whatever. This isn't a shitpost against headcanoning. This is fine! But I want to be allowed to say that I am disappointed that a manga or cartoon didn't do anything on their own and that the ship dynamics are the work of creative fans that turn a mediocre canon series into a non-canonically good one thanks to their works.
No.3691
>>3671Related, but I hate that you can't hate a hetero ship and not like everyone being straight married with babies because people say it's hating bi people. They did this over people hating the ending of Buddy Daddies. They now say it's bad to dislike a hetero ship because it's "biphobic", even if the characters aren't canon bisexual. Hoyoverse fandoms are full of this whenever someone doesn't like a mid het ship, and I'm sure this has spread to other fandoms.
No.3710
>looking for discord server for n+c game
>"no mlm fetishizing fujos"
????? are they genuinely not aware of who wrote and illustrated the game
No.3711
>>3710i think people are just retarded to be honest
No.3721
I'm sick of those 'choose-your-gender-and-appearance' VNs like Hustle Cat and Our Life being lumped in with BL games as a whole. I do not want to play as a self-insert, and the fact that these VNs are considered a part of the genre is genuinely frustrating. I like seeing two developed characters fall in love. My custom character whom I named some stupid shit like "Bean Soup" or "Stroganoff" will never be a character about whom I actually care. I do not want these games recommended to me when I ask for BL suggestions; I am not the target audience and it is not what I am looking for.
No.3722
>>3721your first mistake was accepting western vn suggestions because they're all like that aside from the ones that are pure porn.
No.3723
>>3722You're right, but I wish you weren't. I try to keep my options as open as possible in case something surprises me, even if I obviously prefer JP VNs. I hate it because I enjoy some free indie JP games, and I really want to see OELVNs with something similar (low budget but with a lot of effort, even if it's not "good" technically). I'm sure there are some good ones out there, but I wish people would properly categorize their recommendations. I like finding obscure stuff, but it's disheartening to encounter the same garbage again and again.
No.3725
>>3724NAYRT but I did play Ebi-hime's BLVNs! They're a little closer to what I want, but I was disappointed by how little plot there was, especially when compared to her non-BL titles, which tend to have more than cutesy fluff. I do think it's very funny how she took two characters from a non-BL title and just started aggressively shipping them kek.
Aside from that, have not tried the others you listed, although I've heard of them. Is Divine Speaker decent plot-wise?
No.3728
i fucking hate elon musk and the destruction he causes to twitter. an artist i adore accepted my request on their NSFW account yet it doesn’t matter because elon fucked up twatter so badly poipiku links don’t even work anymore. FFS
No.3729
>>3728God yes twitter when to shit on a technical level ever since he took over. The bots suddenly got worse a few month ago too, now I get more bots in English and in Japanese following me and replying to my tweets, I keep blocking and reporting them but it's too much.
No.3730
>>3724>>3725Honestly I'm just hesitant to try western BL VNs cause for all I know the author will decide to put a fakeboi in there without mentioning it on the store page.
No.3731
>>3728Same but with more desire to wring his neck in general, sick of living in this world where Elon throws a fit about his only 55 billion bonus while Congo children die in cobalt mines for his shitty explosive cars and a honest fujo can't even look at gay porn.
No.3735
>>3728Is that why poipiku was giving me an error? I thought it was just trying to make me log in or link my twitter or whatever. Fucked if true because my fave artist seems like they might be putting all their new drawings on there now.
No.3742
>>3710Why do you even use Discord?
>>3728Sasuga Elon! I hope he doubles down on twatter fuckery and people will finally move back to Pixiv.
No.3758
>>3730You could always ask about it on here if you're concerned about a VN that looks interesting, or you could check the VNDB tags, which are fairly reliable. Most OELVNs are pretty short and probably not worth your time, but you do have options if you're interested.
No.3762
>>3741Well, the art style doesn't lie.
Chrono will never ever be a man. She is a mentally ill woman who has decided to succumb to her demons and attempt to become a living cartoon character.
RIP Chrono's dignity.
No.3789
Why do Tiktok teens shit up BL comment sections so insistently? I'm so tired of seeing them sperg about muh problematic tropes. It's crazy to me they'll click on a BL tagged "psychological" and then spam the comments moralfagging over how yandere kidnapping rape is bad. "I hope the ML gets away from MC and MC goes to jail!" Oh shut up, who are you trying to impress? I don't understand why things are this way now. I thought all the handwringing over fictional men's rights would fade away with time, but it feels like it's just getting worse. I hope KR/JP/CN authors triple down on their evil unwoke yaoi.
No.3790
>>3789I miss when teens were edgy. Remember when teens were always trying to outdo each other with edge? Good times
No.3791
>>3789There's this one girl on Instagram who constantly has accusations of being a pedophile and shit like that because she's talked about BL on her account before. Don't remember her username though sadly
No.3793
>>3792This is making me want to write a bl story to troll
No.3794
>>3792I can never take these comments seriously because they're always 8 paragraphs long and the person writing it acts like they were held at gunpoint to read it. If you think it's so gross why are you reading all of the current 80 chapters and keeping up with it kek
No.3795
>>3794lol good point. I'm genuinely curious though. why do they keep reading it if they hate it so much?
No.3796
>>3792>opened a Harada manga and got upset it was Harada mangaI thought Dead Dove was still popular memeage with people who write full paragraphs.
No.3797
>>3792Ayrt and your picrel is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Although, moralfagging over HARADA manga when that's her whole shtick is a special kind of retardation. I just started reading some random webtoon today and the comments were so crazy, like what the fuck is with the PSAs? It's like this for every single BL webtoon I read. I also love how frequently they do the "this is a cash grab for stupid teen girls!" thing when A) they are all pirating the manga and teen girls have no disposable income, B) they aren't the target audience and technically shouldn't be reading it at all, and C) they are almost certainly teen girls themselves. I just don't get it, I wish teens still had the mentality that they're lurking in spaces they don't belong in and so they should either shut up or try their best to integrate so no one can tell.
>>3794This is the part that kills me the most. You will see the exact same autists sperging the fuck out about a BL for months like it's their day job. It's like they actively go out of their way to find stuff they know pisses them off so they can yell at you for liking it.
No.3798
>>3795they keep reading because they don't actually hate it. they see all their online friends posting about how evil age gaps, non-con etc. in fiction is, how it makes you a pedo if you like it, how you'll get a 30 page google docs callout documenting your private discord conversations if you say the wrong thing. but none of them actually care about real life issues. everyone is trying to be morally superior only because that's what makes you popular among fellow 16 year olds these days. they'll grow up and most likely either shut up about bl completely or become the pseudointellectual type who is "critically" consuming it.
No.3799
>>3797Kek I wish people wrote this style of review for horror movies. As in, "Do not watch Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho! The male lead was a walking red flag, and I should've known from the moment he showed the female lead his collection of taxidermied animals (um, animal abuse much?), but it only got worse from there!"
>>3798It probably also comes from a place of guilt and feeling pressured to conform to the majority. If everyone around you is talking about how evil a piece of media you enjoyed is, then you probably want to find an excuse to enjoy it without feeling like one of the bad people reading it in the wrong way.
No.3800
>>3797>The screenshotKEK my god the amount of zoomers I see moralfagging about Jinx yet still rushing to read every new chapter being dropped is absolutely hilarious. Jaekyung is borderline cartoony in his tantrums and the manga has more issues with pacing than any actual dark content included, I swear these people can't be old enough to be reading its content to begin with.
No.3801
>>3800They were like this about BJ Alex too, which was so mild it still makes me laugh. It's funny they keep saying Jinx should be tagged as psychological horror and then you read the chapter they're mad about it and it's just Jaekyung being tsundere in retarded ways for the billionth time in a row. This man gets turned into a chibi who sucks at Jenga and they want it tagged as horror. It's amazing.
No.3803
>>3801I remember when people considered Killing Stalking the worst thing in the world. It was dumb then but now you have people handwringing over Jinx. Oh how I'd wish we could return to the days fujos would read Misaki getting raped by Usagi in the first chapter and not care.
No.3810
>>3803Funniest thing about that is the people who like KS and desperately try to pretend it isn't a fujo work.
It's funny though I read so much yaoi as a teen with rape that really isn't treated as severe or is played off as no big deal. Seme rapes use superior because he loves him so much and use is like "stop I'm not gay!" It's just like the onset to a consensual relationship, and I didn't even register it as weird.
Now I think it'd bother me, not because it is rape but because the author has no intention of actually treating it as such.
No.3813
>>3810>Now I think it'd bother me, not because it is rape but because the author has no intention of actually treating it as such.Maybe I am terrible or something, but I still enjoy the heavily romanticized rapes in BL kek. I think when it's treated with realistic seriousness, it becomes a totally different vibe and the author needs to go in with a full yandere plot. But the "Kyaahh I don't want this!! (cums everywhere)" uke tradition will always be near and dear to my heart.
No.3814
>>3813>>381099% of the time it's just really exaggerated dubcon to me. The uke does not receive trauma analogous with real rape (and when he does it's shit like A Cruel God Reigns, not When Senpai Violates My Ass I Hear Wedding Bells!). It's just bodice rippers but with two men.
No.3815
>>3810>people who like KS and desperately try to pretend it isn't a fujo workI've seen this, too, but I've seen it from both people who like it and those who dislike it. They'll try to keep it out of fujo communities because it doesn't belong in the genre (which is doubly aggravating because KS was kind of dumb). It's very funny to look at the BL subreddit, where people immediately jump in at the mere mention of KS and start seething over the fact that it is abusive and the leads are not in love, and thus it has no place in their community. Doubly odd when stuff like Gesshoku Kitan or Harada's work would probably go unquestioned. I don't fully understand the logic behind it, but it seems bizarre when KS obviously targets a fujo audience.
No.3817
>>3815People also often bring up Kubo calling Sangwoo straight to "prove" that it's not BL. Even if we go with that: KS has a bunch of gay sex, the focus is on a relationship between men, and at the very least Yoonbum is attracted to men so I still don't why it wouldn't be categorized as such. Plus the whole "characters in BL are actually straight but have an exception for the seme/uke" isn't an uncommon mindset, especially for old series. I'm not sure how Japanese mangaka perceive it nowadays but characters were never really viewed as gay/bisexual even if they were romantically and sexually attracted to one another.
No.3823
>>3817All great points. The author herself has even referred to it as BL (picrel), despite the common misconception that she denied that it belonged in the genre (what she actually said, if I remember, is that the story is not ROMANTIC, which is an entirely different statement). I hate defending KS's status as BL because, again, I didn't find it to be a particularly competent psychological thriller, but the people suggesting it's not supposed to be BL are delusional. I especially hate the argument that it's not BL on the grounds that there is no romance, as though stories like Romeo and Juliet are not part of the 'romance' genre despite it depicting the downfall of two stupid teenagers who are infatuated with each other rather than genuine love. The entire genre of gothic romance is built upon unhealthy relationships, often bordering on obsession rather than true love, and nobody's trying to omit certain works from that genre just because the leads aren't in love or whatever.
>>3803It's kind of funny people get upset over these obviously negative portrayals of abuse (I've never read Jinx, but I assume it's similar to KS). I mean, Sangwoo is
ultimately punished for his actions; his death isn't exactly a dignified one. It often feels like people want nothing bad to ever happen in fiction, and the portrayal of bad behavior is an endorsement of it.
No.3824
>>3823>I've never read Jinx, but I assume it's similar to KSThis is what kills me. It's not. The seme is rapey and mean, but it's never played as horror at all. It's framed like a rehashed version of, "Sad uke pines after mean seme and mean seme doesn't know he loves him until sad uke leaves and then mean seme realizes he was a dick and has to make it up to him." But the way they talk about it, you'd think the seme beats the shit out of him or stabs him or something. I think the KS sperging would honestly be even worse if it came out today, though. It was really bad when it came out, but I think now people would be emailing the publishers to complain.
No.3970
I have great friends I've connected with but every now and then they slip in comments judging others' fictional interests and it can put me on edge. Especially when each of us likes unhealthy dynamics in one way or other. I wish I didn't have anxiety that led me to internalize these comments and even fear that they are right to judge and I am actually just fucked up. But I know that's on me.
No.3971
Although, coming here I always feel normal. Partly because you nonas are so openly twisted, never change kek I love it.
No.3989
It’s frustrating when people get sooo defensive about a character being labeled a plot device, as it's not an insult but a factual observation lmao
You can still enjoy and appreciate plot device characters for what they contribute to the narrative.
It's simply recognizing it.
No.3990
>>3989Interesting, haven't seen this discourse before.
Personally I'd argue all characters are plot devices just some have smaller roles and more defined purposes than others.
No.3992
>>3991are they using "iel"?
No.3993
>>3992Yeah they're using that, I hate it. Imagine if in English people used "heshe" for a gender neutral thing, it sounds very unnatural.
No.3994
>>3991i feel you nona, all my irl fujo friends are they/thems or tifs, it's genuinely unfortunate that women feel as if they can't be tomboyish or have alternative interests without "not being a woman"
No.3995
>>3991>>3994I already find it frustrating when I encounter those type of fujoshi in online spaces. I can't begin to imagine what it's like in real life. I agree that it just feels kinda sad, especially if they're supposed to be grown women instead of cringy teen girls going through a phase.
No.3996
>>3994Sadly being a fujoshi is seen as über ~problemawtic~ and many women want to avoid confrontation and drama (which is understandable to a certain extent). But it ends up breeding this weird they/them escaping womanhood mentality which is annoying at best.
No.3997
>>3996When people try and play that game with me I just tell them I like yuri too or tell them to fuck off and harass men who harass lesbians lmao
I'm not gonna go "u-um actually I'm a demiboi!" Just to justify that I enjoy a genre made for and by women, male sexually is and always has been a million times more problematic so it all waters down to misogyny
No.4006
I recently finished a work of fiction that I deeply enjoyed. I fell in love with the characters and the story, and I even got REALLY into a particular pairing. It's been forever since I was this enthusiastic about something that was just plain fun, and it hit me after a long dry spell where I didn't really care about the stories I was reading. I'm almost never this excited about a pairing, and this ship is absolutely one I'll continue to think about for a long time. Better yet, my ship was made canon within the story itself, which I hadn't expected at all. However, this piece of media has one of the most insufferable fanbases online I've ever seen, and the pairing I like is dominated by the worst types of people. While my favorite ship from this story is apparently very popular (I didn't engage with the online community while reading this work of fiction, so I learned about this after the fact), it's plagued by awful fan art (including some reoccurring elements I particularly hate) and a horrible community. I kind of expected this because of what I knew about the fandom before I started reading this story, but it's still so disappointing to know I'm going to have to just sit on my enthusiasm alone because the fanbase is so vile. Due to the nature of this work of fiction, it's not even something I can recommend to my normal friends; anyone I know in real life who is into online fandom would absolutely avoid something like this, and justifiably so. This piece of media is objectively cringe, and yet, it's the most fun I've had with a work of fiction in over a year. It feels bad knowing the fanbase is full of crazies.
No.4035
>>4034>is it just bc they aren't attracted to women so they aren't interested? She almost understands.
No.4036
>>4006I'm dying to know what this is, come back anon! This is a safe space!!!
>>4034I learned that this was specifically about them gender swapping one half of a couple (m/f to f/f) for the Netflix Bridgerton adaptation, which like… I know showrunners live in Normieville and are vaguely aware of fandom at most, but somebody in that chain of choices should have known how the biggest demographic of the series (straight women) would flip the fuck out. Normie women do not play about their m/f regency romances.
No.4037
>>4034I'm checking this tweet's replies and quotes and it's mostly shit like "straight women like MLM more like WLW because they're misogynists who don't want to see female characters in their stories at all", coming from people who actively agree that troons should be allowed in women's bathrooms, changing rooms and prisons. I can't take them seriously and never will.
>>4036I don't know anything about that series but when you say it like this it seems like female fans were mostly annoyed that they made an established character completely ooc?
No.4038
>>4034Kek I remember complaining about Yuri on this site and getting banned once.
Fujos keep sucking yurifags meanwhile yurifags and lesbians seem to despite BL and male characters.
No.4039
>>4034What is with people's obsession with making everyone like what they like? There's a multitude of reasons why straight women aren't interested in F/F but in the end who gives a fuck. The majority of people's preferred dynamic will align with their sexuality. People bringing up lesbian fujoshis don't understand they're basically an aberration; the same trend on equal scale doesn't happen with gay men being hardcore yuri fans.
>>4036Not a fan of the series but I don't get it either. I'm all for genderswapping in fan content but it should stick to that realm. Obviously if you switch up an established character's traits fans are going to be pissed but people are claiming anyone who is against the change is homophobic which is retarded coming from a yurifag myself. According to fans that couple has issues/a storyline relating to infertility and pregnancy as well so the swap makes even less sense.
No.4040
>>4039>making everyone like what they likeShort answer: "muh rep"
Long answer: If people like what you like then you are more likely to get good art/books and fanart/fic about what you like. More and more people are choosing to dabble in fandom and they get annoyed that women who play dolls with male characters are having the most fun. Framing their fun as a moral failing and hoping they'll produce f/f to appease haters is easier than picking up a pen.
Ironically you can see this same logic in Chudland where dudes are constantly malding about women/minorities in their media but rarely use that energy to produce something to their tastes instead.
No.4041
>>4040From someone who lives in chudland, I will at least say that it seems to be very difficult to get your game funded without adding DEI elements (Aka black people and girls).
No.4042
>>4041Nah, they are just disorganized and often don't have actual fan communities. The people complaining have never actually positively contributed any artist or creative efforts to their interest.
Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. Plenty of indie games and fan game projects exist that cater to them they just refuse to leave the triple A sphere.
The reason fandoms are so predominantly female is that we are actually willing to make stuff for ourselves and not wait for megacorps to offer a pitifully safe version of it.
No.4043
>>4042Not even indie games, shit like Stellar Blade caters to them and then end up making some shit to get mad about anyway. A lot of those people are grifters and clout chasers, they don't actually consume media.
No.4046
>>4040>Long answer: If people like what you like then you are more likely to get good art/books and fanart/fic about what you like. More and more people are choosing to dabble in fandom and they get annoyed that women who play dolls with male characters are having the most fun. Framing their fun as a moral failing and hoping they'll produce f/f to appease haters is easier than picking up a pen. Meh, most complainers about this on twitter seem to be women. Yeah probably a lot of troons but like that pic related is an actual woman.
Straight guys just (on average) hate Yaoi but they don't get lost in the "Mechanics" of it. It's like I hate male/male so BL bad and fujos bad.
No.4047
Iirc Lewd Complex did some half-assed bl/yume themed merchandise but rather than tracing from a random hentai artists like they usually do, it looked like they commissioned a 14 year old girl from Tumblr to draw it.
No.4051
>>4037>Straight women like MLM more like WLW because they're misogynists who don't want to see female characters in their stories at alllmao is such a double digits iq take, no wonder people love to use it, it's also insidious because it's a perfect way to hate on women (aka female fans) but also shield yourself from a misogyny accusation (le female character)
It's misogynists and pickmes projecting.
No.4052
>>4051It's the same when they say that husbandofags or fujoshi are "male centered" which means that they're automatically sexist. They use a word was created to talk about women being so obsessed with real males in their real lives that they make stupid life decisions or are ready to endanger their own kids, friends or relatives for a crumb of dick, or who harass other women for not worshipping abusive males (like what happened with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard recently, or how everyone is blaming Angelina Jolie for her grown adult kids dropping the Pitt family name), apply it to fictional characters and their fangirls and think they're feminist icons as a result.
No.4056
>>4052Fandom is the only space where women can engage in their attraction to men without having to deal with real men. This argument comes up just as often with coomers, for example the anime girls 2D > 3D women meme.
Ironically 80% of yuri fans are coomer men (including that popular villainess manga which has been found to have been written by a man) so it's hilarious their pure female centric genre market consist of men that probably insult real women and their bodies on daily basis
No.4058
>>4054>r, it's funny because i've met a number of lesbians who outright prefer bl since the stories are more diverse and they can fully enjoy the story from a third person perspectiveI assume these lesbians are akin to twitter "asexual"
Sorry but I can't take these people seriously when they call themselves lesbian and obsess over BL and dicks
No.4059
>>4058It's a weird phenomenon but I honestly do think genuine lesbian fujoshis exist. Though they're rare and 98% of the people who call themselves that are deluding themselves. I know one who's been with her wife for 20+ years and has (allegedly) never been attracted to a man/is a goldstar. Maybe others might argue she's a Kinsey 5 but it's convincing enough to me.
No.4061
>>4059>>4058>>4060It's crazy how the demographics have changed in the west. I'm in my 30s and what I remember from Ye Olde Days is that nearly all of the western prolific yaoi artists/writers were lesbians. I'm sure there were LUGs or even political lesbians among them but to me "yaoi lesbian" is completely normal. Back then most of the straight fic writers were producing Mary Sues and/or het. Yuri writers were almost exclusively the rare cis male.
I recognize that this is anecdotal but seeing enough people wonder about yaoi lesbians made me want to chime in.
No.4063
>>4036>I'm dying to know what this isIt's Homestuck kek. Apologies for my bad taste, nona.
No.4064
>>4063NTA but I'm so sorry for you anon, Homestuck fans are probably responsible for 75% of today's discourse and fandom retardation kek. Genuinely appalled a series like that amassed the SJW fanbase it did. What's the ship that you like?
No.4065
>>4063>It's Homestuck kek.Davekat? Don't apologize, this is a safe space AND a glass house. Crazy to learn that the Homestuck fandom is still alive and insufferable though. Last I remember was some Epilogue(?) wank and like John being trans or something? Anyway I wish you luck in finding all the good shit in whatever ship tag you are looking at.
No.4071
>>4058What about the straight women who are super into male-targeted hentai and are obsessed with big titty waifus getting raped and never talk about male characters at all? I know it seems to be a selfinsert thing but the ones who make doujins are out there rendering tits just as lovingly as male hentai artists draw their dicks. Porn is something that kind of transcends real life sexuality, there are straight female yuri fans and straight fudans (though rarer). People are complicated and weird.
No.4072
>>4071>What about the straight women who are super into male-targeted hentaStraight targeted hentai is straight porn. Having a fantasy of getting hard fucked isn't really that special or hard, people have that kind of sex in real life even.
>Porn is something that kind of transcends real life sexuality, That's bullshit. Straight guys don't jack off the gay porn, gay guys don't get off to lesbian porn. Straight women want straight porn or gay porn.
Only lesbians seem to be completely obsessed with avoiding woman/woman porn. They all come up with bizarre reasons why their own content avoid women.
>>4061How would you even know? In the livejournal days there wasn't that much focus on 3d talks, it all started when normies got cellphones and online identity blurred with irl identity.
No.4074
>>4058I'm not a lesbian but I also don't think I'm bisexual either because I've just become more and more adverse towards men irl that I can't ever imagine ever really liking a man, at all.
I can't imagine myself with a woman either because women can be awful too but just not on the same level as men.
I like BL maybe because the characters I get interested in tend to be more emotive and flawed and also can imagine them getting raped and suffering so it's cathartic in a way both in my "I wish men could suffer" way but also that I do genuinely like the characters and know they aren't real which makes me like them independently of them being men.
No.4078
>>4074>>4074That sounds like more you need therapy than BL. And also for some reason you chose to not engage is Lesbian fiction that you enjoy kek.
No.4079
>>4072Why do you care what porn lesbians consume? The more BL the better.
No.4080
>>4072>How would you even know?Looking at their personal blogs. They'd mention their girlfriends and/or what LGBT shit they were doing on campus/locally. It's less that there was no focus on it and more that it was completely optional to snoop on somebody's blog. I won't deny normalfags made social media the wretchedness it is today, but it was always there in some form.
No.4081
>>4072>Straight guys don't jack off the gay pornThere are people who will fap to anything as long as it's porn. Or even if it's not intended to be erotic. People fap to anthropomorphic planes and fetishes that have nothing to do with sex and you think no one ever faps to porn that's the opposite of their orientation? I like yuri and consider myself straight, and I've seen self proclaimed straight fudans on the weekly BL threads. I think that type of guy usually tends to be into shotas or traps.
I already mentioned the selfinsert aspect of the straight women into male hentai, but you're ignoring the part where they're obsessed with the waifus specifically. I'm thinking of a certain type of female otaku who makes thirsting over and lewding these waifus their entire brand. Maybe they're all bi for all I know? If you ask me, this sort of fan and the ones who slap vaginas on every male character they want to get raped are sides of the same coin, but that's another conversation.
No.4083
>>4081>>4081>There are people who will fap to anything as long as it's porn. People will fap to shit they are attracted.
>, and I've seen self proclaimed straight fudans on the weekly BL threadIt's almost like gays like two boys kissing.
No.4086
>>4079Read the convo flow.
Also I hate yuri and yurifags who keep shitting on BL and makes liking men a cardinal sin.
No.4087
>>4085I'm sorry anon. It makes me feel kind of blessed that I at least got to experience all the art/fic before the genderwank really took off. The "worst" there ever was was like nook/bulge xeno stuff. You might have already tried this, but when you sort fics on Ao3 (and elsewhere, most search boxes will process a 'before:20xx' query) you can set a cutoff date to 4/13/19, which would give you works posted up through the webcomic ending and before the epilogue.
No.4088
>>4085That's unfortunate. I got into homestuck around 2012 and back then it seemed pretty fun, but I lost interest when the last big hiatus happened so I guess I didn't notice the fandom getting worse. Though I have heard that the actual homestuck epilogue and beyond dives into genderspecial bullshit for some characters and Hussie himself has gone insane too so I don't even want to bother with canon anymore.
No.4089
>>4085Im a nu-homestuck (since 2023) and im just letting you know that most of the fandom is filled with brainrotted minors and discourse addicts who never read/finished the webcomic in the first place so…
No.4090
>>4089>nu-homestuckCurious–what's the pipeline into the Homestuck fandom these days? Tumblr is dead and I never see it talked about anywhere anymore (aside from /hsg/ which I think ended up banished to /trash/?–actually I went to double check before I posted this and apparently it gets deleted there too? lmao). I remember in 2017/18 there was a very small fandom making stuff in VRChat but they seemed to just disappear too.
No.4091
>>4090I personally got into it from popular tweets talking about it last year and found it very interesting. The pipeline (like any other fandom) rn is through Discord, Twitter and other social media. Old Homestuck and the zoomers still use Tumblr even if its dead but nobody give af about 4chan not even I lol.
No.4095
Sorry ahead of time to mention this messy topic but how do you guys deal with fears over liking and shipping underage (or just pretty and young-looking) characters?
I never had a problem at first and didn't think twice, until I got older and the discourse popped up. Some people in my circles speak negatively about it on occasion. When it comes up it reminds me.
I've thought about it way too much (thanks, paranoid mind) and well… I'm still troubled. What troubles me is I'm starting to think maybe it is a bit reflective of real attractions. I'm positive that the majority of men if not all are attracted to minors tbh, and we're in this charade that they aren't. It freaks me out so I try not to think about it, but I have to wonder are some women not the same. They don't act on it at nearly the same scale nor be so shameless but jesus, this is stressing me out. I like skinny anime boys with pretty faces, as most weeb girls do, and age gap ships and more, but it feels like it's sinister. Even if I've never been interested in a real kid which is an idea that horrifies me to even type out.
If true, I don't think this has an effect creating female abusers out of nothing but it fucks with me. I already had to deal with intrusive thoughts and this is the worst. Sorry again for talking about this but I was hoping someone might be calm and give their honest thoughts. It's really fucking distressing.
No.4096
>>4095I was hesitant at first when I got into an underaged/non-underaged ship myself but in the end I know that I'm a rational adult who knows the difference between reality and fiction and just because I enjoy dark dove content in media that doesn't mean I approve of it IRL. It's like how I'm into true crime as well and I follow podcasters who are into true crime. Me and the podcasters find murderers and cults interesting but that doesn't mean we will commit any crimes ourselves.
No.4097
>>4095To me the key difference is that when fujos do it it's always in shipping form. You aren't gooning to solo content of this young character and imagining yourself, you are shipping him with an older adult in their universe. The way men treat underage female characters is almost NEVER in the framework of her/another canon character. I have one teen/adult ship and a few teen/teen ships and it has never given me pause because they are ships. They would not be hot to me without the scaffolding of the canon world and the plot/dynamics therein. Worrying about it at all is letting fancops win.
No.4098
>>4097Sometimes I do like solo content. Anons here post that sort of thing all the time, so I'm not sure this distinction is real. Many fujos have their favorite uke they are obsessed with, and repeating patterns in ships with the same age gap could be seen in a certain light.
I guess at least what reading
>>4096 reminded me of is that most women in fandom like this content. The ones who have big loud issues with it often end up folding down the line or having cases they make exceptions because they end up liking a certain pairing or character. So I think it's "normal," but I still get very uneasy in my thoughts about it when other people moralize, even though those people have exceptions as well. It somewhat helps to think this way, even though it's not a strong enough dismissal of my fears. I've been liking these uke characters a lot lately and I can't help feeling like a pervert or worse for that, even if I have no interest in being with someone like that irl.
No.4100
>>4095I think something important to keep in mind is that anime and cartoon characters look and act nothing like real people, underage or otherwise
No.4114
>>4095Fearing a thought and fearing call outs from self-acclaimed internet cops are two different things. I casually worry about the latter, but not the first when it's about 2D.
It's fiction. It's a fantastical virtual playground in which you can be what you want and like whatever you feel like liking. I love fictional dictators, love exploring their personality and issues and wish they could be the MC. Thankfully I hate dictators irl, so there is no real connection since the first are rather symbols for certain human traits rather than humans.
It's what
>>4100 said. 2D characters do look very different from real people, not even in the "n'est pas une pipe" way, but even conceptually. They also don't behave like real people since they are idealized, simplified etc. This is why we are attracted to fictional characters in the first place. They aren't as multifaced, contradictory and materialist as actual humans usually are.
I believe that what's attractive about fictional characters is primarily what we project into them to make them whole, since they rarely written as such. It's different from attraction to real people IMO. Same as being into a dragon man doesn't mean that you want to fuck reptiles irl.
No.4115
>>4095I like both underage solo content and shipping and I can understand that being told that you're immoral or a predator for liking it can cause you to question your attraction to real humans. You just need to remember that before people in your circle spoke negativly about it you did not think you could possibly be attracted to someone underaged. So don't let them influence your thoughts anon ♥
On a related note, I sometimes see the japanese refer to real children as shotas. My guess is that 'shota' doesn't by default have a sexual connotation in japan. I usually avoid anti/pro shota discussion and ignore pedo allegations but it does make me wonder if the anti shota people might have a point somewhere.
No.4118
>>4115Fuck, I've noticed those lines blurring in their culture too. Seeing shit like that makes it worse. I think antis have some points lately and that's what's fucking with my mind.
Thanks anons. I'm overthinking this so much that while the points about 2d's appeal being its difference from 3d are (partly) true, it's not enough either. I won't go into why because it's elaborate and overall this issue seems bigger than solely a fujo context in the end. It's a massive mindfuck and it's upsetting but the crazy thing is men just admit this about themselves and don't care. It's been the historical norm and no one cared but it makes me sick because obviously it shouldn't be. It's harmful.
I'm starting to almost agree with antis but I think they all have, or will amass, skeletons in their closet too. It happens without fail they find some ship or character. I believe no one is immune to crossing this line in fiction but I'm scared what that means about real life. Because I do find certain things suspicious, if a man likes it in fiction or if it's something I draw the line at (animals for ex.) so why am I such a hypocrite? It's fucking me up to say the least, but this
>You just need to remember that before people in your circle spoke negativly about it you did not think you could possibly beis something I'll remind myself to try and calm it. I know I'm even at this point because I'm mentally ill lol
Maybe the answer is: humans are messy and fucked up but as long as you're not seeking it in 3d you can chill out? I never trust men to do that though…
No.4119
>>4115>>4118>I'm starting to almost agree with antisAnon that's just your paranoia speaking.
Do you, yourself, believe that you are capable of comitting a crime? If not, then don't cave in to paranoia induced by 'what ifs'. If you know yourself what you like, what you don't, and what you can do, it doesn't matter if you liked that one fic of some dude getting fucked by a horse cock or that one shota rape fic. It's not real.
No.4122
>>4118Anon, remember one thing. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you've never seriously wished for contact with kids, there is pretty much no chance you'll harm anyone. You know this, deep down. Remember that men are quite different when it comes to relating to fiction/porn, many can separate the two but there are also many, many men who cross the line because that's just how male sexuality is. If it helps, i can tell you about the one woman i know who has actually abused children, she's not a shotacon or even interested in fictional children in general, but she is extremely troubled and erratic (common thing among female offenders). 'Discreet pervert fujo who likes pretty underage bishies' doesn't fit the female offender profile in my experience. Yeah some can be creepy like hardcore proships but it often comes down to their retarded circles and they would likely be much more normal if they went offline (the same thing cannot be said of male lolicons or troons).
If it ever gets worse, take a break from SNS or exposure to media that could trigger this spiralling. It will get better and you'll be able to get past this, once you cut off the source of your rumination and remind yourself it's all bullshit.
No.4123
>>4120>we get like maybe one NSFW figure a yearEven luckier if it's not Nitro+Chiral related. And I don't even dislike those, I would love to own Kau but don't want to forfeit my wallet for him.
Also the Japanese are notorious for not catering to untapped markets. So yes they would ignore women's taste despite there being a clear demand. It's why there are 56134464337 competing boobie lady gacha games despite female targeted works clearly having the potential to make bank with less competition. They are too set in their ways to deviate from the "norm".
Curious, what figure were these comments under? No.4136
>>4130I get the appeal of boys like pic related, but I guess I'm as equally perplexed as the OP of that thread on actual bunnysuits. Ideal lewd bunny boy would be topless, suggestively posed and just wearing ears.
No.4138
>>4137Yeah that one is good too, I think it's just the leotard/playboy bunny in particular that I find weird on a man.
Also I said pic related and never included a pic, whoops. Here's some figures that were kind of the bunny boy I was thinking of.
No.4168
I can't seem to find other English speaking Charisma fans who are in my age range. I knew just looking at the series that it would attract 15-year-old girls, and I was honestly surprised when I finally watched it that I enjoyed it as much as I did. The Korean and Japanese fandom are great and I love the jokes and the sudden serious fanart. Every time I look at the English speaking side though, even if they are over 18 they're very clearly in generations with different cultures. Stuff like making references to kids web games that came out when I was already in college, or having webpages with DNIs and sparkly YAS QUEEN SLAY gifs of Enstars boys. Their jokes tend to get the characters' personalities wrong too, the humor is just slightly off for me and it's jarring.
I've been trying to shill the series to people in other fandoms who are closer to my age (late 20s, early 30s), but I keep meeting the same barrier. "This web drama is an idol series because there are occasional songs and that automatically makes it worthless." "I don't know how to watch this subtitled Youtube playlist you've just given me." "I don't like music existing." "That's too many episodes because I waited until season 2 finished." "Maybe I'll do it later, I don't have time for this two minute long episode." "Gross, they have eyebrows." "Anything with colored hair is bad." "Japanese comedy is too Japanese for me, I don't get it." "It looks cringe."
Look, I get it, I thought I'd hate all of the characters when I looked at their designs and read the blurbs on their personalities. I especially thought I'd hate Kei and Terra but I've come away loving everyone, buying the CDs, blasting the dumbest shit, and downloading over a hundred pictures of retarded four legged whatever the fuck those things are. I want to sharespam art with someone and make fun of these idiots in ways that only fans would understand, because just trying to explain on a surface level doesn't work for a character driven comedy.
No.4169
>>4168But all the people I see actually talking about it are kids, like they're the only ones who've figured out you can open youtube. And they really make me want to distance myself from Iori and Ohse because of course they flock to the crazy slut and the suicidal one, but there's nothing wrong with the characters in canon, they're great and I love that they'll fucking fight if left together because it's a good example of how their personalities are not what I expected from the profiles. None of these characters are one sided pushovers, all of them interact with each other in different ways so shipping them has so many unique combos. Walking into the eastern fandom is like a buffet and I have no idea how to pick just one dish.
The merch situation is pretty shit. There's no denying that, even fans in JP and KR are complaining about the limited sales. You can't buy DVDs and keyrings without going to a specific popup or the official website, even the three(?) manga series aren't actually in print from regular booksellers. I don't understand how they're surviving like this when the series itself is completely free to watch and the only way to pay for it is ordering the CDs. Please tell me the concert made enough money for S3. People are starting to get anxious in KR fandom because recently they've started adding subtitles and updates in English and Korean, and not all of it is MTL either. They're spending money on giving us this and aren't even selling stock to major retailers. What the hell.
Anyway I know someone posted Charisma here before, and I don't expect to have full fledged fandom conversations here but hello! I hope you're not also stuck in the post S2 limbo with no one to talk to. I wish I could afford the stage plays.
Aah, I can't post the video I wanted to because twitter suddenly went down. Have a flipnote summary of S2 then.
No.4170
>>4168I won't lie, the biggest thing keeping me from getting into it is that if I have to deal with another fandom where people insist an androgynous character is a trans woman I'll throw myself out of a window.
No.4171
>>4170I haven't personally seen it yet, but I have steered myself out whenever I walk into the western fan accounts. I suppose people would target Terra, but even if you wanted to be gendery on him, it would be more accurate to his character to say he's "nonbinary". The reason they could say that is because he believes himself so beautiful that he is a unique entity and can make any clothing look good on himself including dresses. He doesn't deny being male or claim any gender, but he does declare himself Terra. Which makes a good example of what I mean by "slightly off" - if I were to joke about him being genderless I'd play up the third person thing as though Terra is a race or thing of its own, because that's essentially where it's going. Not a mere man but Terra! Terra is Terra! But if you make it about trying to be another gender or avoiding using gendered anythings, like a gender repulses him in some way, that'd just be missing the whole point. He escaped judgement and self consciousness by being whatever a Terra is as ordained by the council of Terra who all praise Terra. The identity his family wants of him isn't "a man", it's a son who conforms to formality and bowing to others.
Also the designer very specifically keeps his shoulders and slim straight sides in all his looks. She's very good at masculine appeal.
And if, god forbid, they go after Iori because he dresses as a prostitute once: young men dressing as women is classic lewdity in the sex trade. Get some fucking taste and understand what contrast is. (Hehe, you can't say shit on Rikai's magical girl transformation because it's literally called Justice Boy)
Sorry, I just used you to go on a rant, but I've never had an opportunity to discuss Terra. Or anything.
No.4172
Am I just going insane, but why does it feel like shipping has…lost being special?
I don't know how to explain it, but I feel like strong passion over a ship and why you love it has become less important and relevant, in favor of just simply "I think they're hot"/"idk I just like it" fast consumption of shipping.
That, or it just becomes something to be ridiculed or mocked. Sure, I can imagine that some people's reaching as to why a certain ship are destined to be together lies on "proof" and the proof being them standing together can be silly, but I just have a bit more understanding to that sort of cringyness devotion more than anything.
At least, I value the people who can go on and on and on and on and on about their OTP for hours on end rather than the people who just mindlessly consume what others do, unable to form any thoughts themselves, just simply observing others and having that interest be "frozen".
But the former type of person is becoming exceedingly rare, while the latter is the overwhelming majority.
Maybe I'm just not in the right spaces?
Coupled with the increased attachment to headcanonization of characters, media and ships, people slowly forget what they even liked to begin with or if they truly liked it at all and just the imaginary version they created.
It's not like there aren't headcanons that just increase the amount of love you put into a ship as we can all be delusional, but you know what i'm talking about.
Is it just a me thing?
No.4173
>>4172You might not be in the right spaces, although I completely get what you mean by the "imaginary version" taking over in some fandoms. It sucks going to a ship tag, seeing a big number, then slowly realizing as you scroll that you are mostly looking at OCs skinwalking as your ship.
I've seen some talk on Twitter about how it's kind of scary now to be that openly into a ship because there's a chance you'll get dogpiled by children/antis with nothing better to do. Some people who ship might actively be curtailing the intensity of their public love to avoid this. I think that until a website that is specifically for fandom exists (and has a team of moderators who understand how unrestrained antis kill creative willpower, even for things as simple as public discussion) it's just gonna be like this.
No.4174
>>4173>Some people who ship might actively be curtailing the intensity of their public love to avoid thisThis. I'm a multishipper who will nibble a bit of everything with a few exceptions here and there, but if given a limelight I can and will write an essay on how the dynamic works and what they do for each other. The problem is that fandom has shifted, either being too talkative is "cringe" and frowned upon, or you put yourself in the view of children with irksome takes. Whichever one I lost my confidence in typing these things in the open under a name. I'll word vomit to people on discord if I know them well enough, but otherwise I'm scared of rejection these days. My tweets have been private for years because whenever I tried to write at length I'd get "ackshually no, bcuz (real world thing not discussed in the series)", and I stopped on tumblr before that because mutuals kept telling me I was "just headcanoning" and my OTP was "not that well written". I'm happy in my own head without someone stomping on it, it's lonely but I don't have the mortifying humiliation of being reminded I'm the only one thinking a nine hour long epic about these two dudes being married princes or whatever. I can just collect fanart from other countries that share my sentiments and while the hours away.
No.4176
>>4172No, you're not. Not just ships, but whole fandoms are all flavor of the month nowadays. It sucks. A big motivation for me to sit down and get into a new thing is the promise of fanworks and I haven't been trying new things for a long time. Everyone just moves to the same handful of series and makes content for validation rather than out of love for the original. It's so shallow and bleak.
I'm definitely the devoted, go on and and on type too. I'm too embarrassed to act on it and I constantly worry that someone from the old days will find me though. Japanese fujos, on the other hand, have a single-minded focus on their obscure, ancient ship with no shame. It's beautiful. I'm so jealous.
It seems like variations of this topic come up all the time. (no one truly loving the ship they write, the ridiculous aus and "headcanons", etc) I've typed up half-finished replies like this a few times before. We should probably have a thread for it.
>>4174My mutuals seemed to like my ship crying, at least the ones that I shared it with more. That was years ago during tumblr's peak though. Also, while we all had different favorites, we still liked the same characters and ships, just in a different ranking. Sorry about your experience. I've been afraid of the same thing and just lurk now. It must be awful.
No.4177
>>4175I've thought so many times that if I could write my thoughts about a ship out as prose and post it on Ao3 under the guise of a fanfic people would turn up saying they enjoyed it. I'm not that skilled though.
No.4178
>>4177You can actually upload fandom/ship essays on Ao3 if writing stories just isn't your thing.
No.4179
>>4177>>4178You can and I love reading ship manifestos!
No.4242
I was at a small anime artist's con yesterday where people would sell their stuff. I had a lot of fun and bought plenty of stuff (only 2 yaoi related items tho cuz I didn't really see that much). What made me sad was seeing how much gender brainrot still persist, clearly feminine young women calling themselves male or using made up pronouns in a language where gender neutrality doesn't exist. I only saw one TIM but TIFs were plenty, they make me so sad because deep down that's just a nerdy woman who hates herself. Seeing or hearing girls say "amix" or "amiges" or stuff like that is very gross. When will the gender fad end? I don't wanna see tranny flags at artist booths, I don't wanna see fujos not call themselves that because they fear hurting the feelings of gendies, I don't wanna see my cute yaoi boys with scars on their chest.
No.4246
That feel when you check on an old friend who doesn't have pronouns up anymore and she has…not peaked. Probably none of them have peaked and they're all pushing thirty.
>>4178Meta is dead though, right? It seems like now we just get madlibbed lists of idpol/projection headcanons. I wish it would make a comeback.
>>4242Around this time every year I want to get back together with my high school friends and go to the local con but it would probably be like this.
No.4320
Nothing serious but goddamn, I have such a massive urge to talk about whatever my current fandom related obsession are but I don't have any fujo friends in real life anymore and there is no real place to sperg about it. Even /a/ is slow as hell, not even a shadow of its former glory.
My last resort would be discords, but I have one (1) fandom that is popular for a discord but even then I only find semi-active places. And the few users that are always posting are usually all over some shit I don't like, it's usually not even canon related.
I miss my teenage so much when I could talk about my interests and we would come up with cool What If-AUs together, draw and search for fan shrines with great fanart.
Hell I talked about /a/, but I honestly feel more and more like the internet as a whole is deserted. Maybe I am legit shizo because that shouldn't be the case. Or maybe humanity has abandoned every other place to move to tiktok and other places I hate. Hell even my TWITTER feed is slow and I follow 1500 people (mostly artists).
No.4321
>>4320You're not crazy. The internet is indeed empty. Ever talk to a "normal" person? They don't use the internet for much of anything.
No.4322
>>4321Yeah I swear to god the dead internet theory is real. The only other internet users I know in real life are insane boomers that eat every facebook conspiracy up and are like two steps away from becoming terrorists.
It wasn't always like that though. But it's so damn weird that the net was way more active in the 00s despite that the majority shouldn't have been online. It started to decline everywhere after 2016 I feel, with 2019 or so and 2021 experiencing the most extreme slowdown. Tumblr is dead for years, 4chan is dead since the early 20s, forums and altchans are dead in general, discords are dead (at least the ones I find) and now since 2024 even twitter feels dead.
No.4325
>>4320>>4321>>4322My experience with this is anecdotal, but I know a lot of people who are still "online" from the 00s (a mix of fandom types and gamers) and they've largely retreated into private communities, whether it be MMO guilds, group DMs, or discords. The events of the last 15 years have made it increasingly tiresome to exist in public online spaces as some flavor for nerd. The pool of people with an online life went from "dorks with a PC in their home" to "everybody" and our ability to organically mingle has suffered irreparably because of it. There is some comfort in that I know it happened to every community instead of just being yet another fujo-exclusive problem, lol.
No.4352
>>4325>My experience with this is anecdotal, but I know a lot of people who are still "online" from the 00s (a mix of fandom types and gamers) and they've largely retreated into private communities, whether it be MMO guilds, group DMs, or discords.That's certainly how it is for me. I'm 31 and have been on the internet from around the age of 12/13-ish and while I do have a twitter account where I follow and retweet fan artists I spend most of my time socialising on specialised discord servers for FFXIV and a handful of artist-owned and streamer servers. While discord is terrible for preserving information, on some level it does remind me of old internet fan forums cause they're so specialised and close-knit as opposed to how a platform like twitter is so open and stuff can accidentally just fly out of your intended circles and cause weirdos to gang up on you.
No.4358
>>4325>>4352Same. As someone who's been online since the early 00's, I simply withdrew into closed-off discord communities with friends I made via fandoms and hobbies. I don't use social media anymore because it's exhausting when you get all sorts of strangers harassing you and taking what you said out of context or digging up shit you said literally years ago to turn it against you. Twitter is filled with bots and children, Instagram allows no conversation or interaction, Threads is for normies, Bluesky is a bugged mess (and nobody posts there anyway), Facebook is dead, forums don't exist anymore. Discord is the only place where you can actually talk with fellow nerds but you need to dig through a lot of shit to find the servers that are worth staying at, and the comfiest ones are usually invite-only so you have to know someone on the inside to get a good word in. I feel safer being with people who know me well enough to trust my company with. I really wish fandom and hobby based forums would make a comeback in the following years because centralized social media is like poison to creativity and kinship.
No.4361
>>4352>>4358I wish I were in the same situation. I befriended fujoshi irl but not online, because of how terrible the fandoms I were in became back then.
No.4640
It sucks having strict dynamics because those people are more obsessed with inserting cuntboy trash than switch shippers. I don't know if it's just the fandom I'm in but literally everyone I come across is obsessed with hetifying their ships, like I don't even remember this being the norm in the early to mid 2010s. What the fuck happened. Feels like the only people that enjoy actual yaoi anymore are Tumblr millennials or people hiding out in private Discord servers.
No.4643
>>4640>What the fuck happened.My conspiracy theory is that during the pandemic lockdowns there's a whole group of people whose brains broke from being stuck inside and becoming terminally online and this includes fujoshi who were brainwashed into transitioning and pushing this shitty cuntboy trend to validate their identity.
No.4645
>>4640To me it is now irritating/noticeable in a way it wasn't before because a lot of objectively talented artists/writers are making it. I can't just block and move on anymore, I now have to weigh the entirety of a person's catalog against the boypussy jumpscare. I don't care if it's original art/fiction but when I go to the ship tag I'm not looking for PIV.
No.4646
>>4640Imo a chunk are people who don't like anime and especially don't like any female anime characters trying really hard to fit in with anime being trendy and making cuntboy ocs and shtty aus in order to cope with the larp. If anime wasn't popular they'd be reading bodice rippers instead.
No.4648
>>4640God I relate so much. Its another hell being an artist that makes fixed content only for people to pressure you into drawing cuntboy since its the "popular hc!!!" or switch since you still draw the dick on both characters…
No.4649
>>4645>I now have to weigh the entirety of a person's catalog against the boypussy jumpscareThe worst part is you can't even say you dislike it without people getting "transphobic vibes" from you even though it's just a fetish like anything else and most people aren't writing boypussy with a trans headcanon in mind. I even saw someone say if you headcanon a male character as bisexual you should be fine with cuntboy and full on M/F genderbend content too. These people are delusional and I've seen it comijg from the proshipper "don't like don't read or harass/police people over their preferences!" camp as well. Fucking hypocrites.
No.4653
>>4640I've never seen a fandom almost nearly exclusively draw cuntboy and don't even tag it as much as the tristamp fandom does. Not a single second goes that you can open any pic of vash, anywhere, and it'll be some implied trans garbage or 'subtle' trans shit (like some dialogue mentioning periods or whatever)
It's really fucking weird. I wouldn't mind cuntboy if it was treated the same as futanari and some japanese artists still do that, but if you ever see some anything gender-change related on fujo fandoms almost anyone is going to say it's trans.
Only a few delusional trannies call futanari trans, and most of them obviously do it for the porn. Why can't some fujos actually admit they like it for the fetish and it was never some trans pride thing?
No.4734
>>4653I usually don't encounter cuntboy/herm stuff as long as I read about humans. But the moment it's anything else it's ubiquitous.
As someone who is into Transformers I noticed the shift happening in 2016. Or that was at least when it became the mainstream in the non-human 2D guy spaces I frequent. You can still find fics of my favorite pairing having normal gay sex and cable sex in early 2016/late 2015 and after that it's all hermaphrodites. I admit that I prefer herms over outright cuntboys though, they at least keep the dick and can top and bottom properly.
Pure cuntboy is too much for me. Like I don't even condemn it, but it's a specific fetish like classic futa to me and should be treated and tagged as such.
>the tristamp fandom So.. are there just no dicks at all? Vash cannot dick anybody? That would be sad. I actually like Trigun (all of it). I am not surprised that some would headcanon this, but why is it everybody? And why do they even take away the DICKS? And yeah I fully agree about the performative bullshit about it. It's obvious that it's a fetish, pretending to engage in porn for moral reasons/wokeness is so stupid and such an obvious lie lol just admit that you enjoy it for sultry reasons holy damn
No.4739
>>4734I know Homestuck fandom had the trolls with alien dick and vag but it kind of made sense for them based on the vague canon description of their genitals. At the time I didn't really care and I still don't mind dual genitalia on non human guys as long as it's not literally a human vagina (I'll make an exception for angelboys I guess). I'm not into Transformers but with robot guys I always preferred wireplay or other methods over robodick or robovag.
No.4777
>>4645There's an artist in the FFXIV fandom who draws tons of shipping art for a pairing that I've recently gotten obsessed with, MC x Erenville, and it's so disappointing that this person felt the need to put a pussy on Erenville. Thankfully the NSFW art is hidden behind a separate link and the artist doesn't draw those ugly zippertits scars but it's still a shame when people un-BL a BL ship.
No.4825
I think this has probably been discussed here before, but I HATE when a series has a completely all male cast, or a mostly all male cast, and people bitch constantly, asking for female characters, particularly in anime/manga I mean. There are so fucking many harem series with hundreds of shitty loli characters and people don't even bat an eye, but one shitty anime phone game has an all male cast and it's the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "When will you add women characters!!!" Hopefully never.
I don't side with my yumejo sister's a lot, but if there's one things I will stand together with yumejos on, it's this fight against adding women characters to shit that's only meant to be filled with hot men and boys. If I wanted a series with good women characters, I would go find one. Why do my sexy male characters have to be accompanied by female counterparts? I don't need it, and I'm not afraid to say it.
Pic not rel.
No.5090
I hate how female socialization causes so many women/fujos to overanalyze the morality of fiction and develop massive guilt complexes in general, as if fujos are going to go out and rape gay men. If you hate this manhwa that much, why are you in the comments of chapter 25 writing paragraphs about how wrong and evil the author is? You know you can just close the tab? You obviously want to read it, but you feel like you can't without virtue signaling to random strangers on the internet. Sad.