No.2221
>>2217The only one I know about is LittleKuriboh, the guy who did Yu-Gi-Oh abridged, he wrote yaoi Yu-Gi-Oh fanfiction and earnestly shipped Yami Bakura x Marik
I have never personally interacted with one. I know m/m content made by gay men is usually pretty gross so I would be curious if anyone knows if there are any tell-tale signs when you're dealing with Fudanshi works. Are they quite as messy?
Theoretically I've seen so little of them I don't have a strong opinion I guess mentally I find it weird for a man to be so into bl without being gay, but it's not like he's harming anyone. I doubt any use this site since we're so small.
No.2225
>>2217I've seen a bunch of young fudanshi in cons from afar because they always hang out with their fujoshi friends and sperg together about manga in general, including BL manga. In my local con there was a guy a few years ago who was always dressed like a hardcore visual kei fanboy depsite his age and who would recommend BL manga from the publishing company he was working for, it was obvious he read all that stuff for his own personal entertainment instead of just being there for marketing purposes. He works for another company now and I haven't returned to that con anyway for different reasons.
The only one fudanshi I know more personally is a turbo gay white guy who looked like a total normie until he opened his mouth. He tried to befriend me when we met in uni because I preordered Dangan Ronpa on the PS Vita and he loved the anime and we were into the same video games and manga in general, but he was an asshole to some of the girls I befriended so we never got very close because it pissed me off. At some point I found his twitter account and I remember seeing a post where he sperged about how he wanted Sebastian from Black Butler to do inappropriate things to him, it was said in a nostalgic way so I have no clue if Sebastian is still his husbando. He was the type to ship pairings in whatever games or manga or shows he likes without touching actual BL. btw, he also turned out to be a huge TRA so I dodged a bullet.
No.2226
>>2225that last line took me OUT.
No.2227
>>2217The only fudanshi I've seen are in western fandom and they love to bite the hand that feeds them and overestimate their importance. I never see them in Japanese fandom despite hanging out there more often so if they exist over there they mind their business and don't attention whore about it.
I find the western ones fall into one of two camps: either gotten too high off woke farts and wanna use their gayness to be treated like a king, or hang around incel nerds too often that they delusionally think straight men will like them if they obsessively shit on women hard enough.
No.2228
men aren’t real
No.2230
>>2225>>2227I thought fudanshi were defined by not actually being gay?
No.2231
>>2230I don't think it was ever that specific. If it's just the same thing as fujoshi, it just means "a guy who likes BL and/or male/male pairings" then.
No.2232
>>2217They exist, I've run into a few of them online over the years.
No.2235
>>2228only 3d men. 2d men are real and live in my heart
No.2236
>>2217I'm friends with a few, tbh they're not much different from fujoshi I'm close with in terms of what they like and the content they make/consume.
>>2227That's a shame. Thankfully I've never interacted with these types beyond seeing some shit on yaoi hands(as if bara artsyles aren't way more gross, but I digress)
No.2237
>>2236Are they homosexuals? I can't imagine a straight man liking bl.
No.2241
>>2217I've met one. was mostly a normal person other than being into yaoi, you'd never have guessed otherwise.
No.2243
I know a couple but they are older and from 4chan.
Honestly indistinguishable from a fujo most of the time. Had more problems with Adrians than fun in my experience.
No.2249
>>2237bisexual, and both seem pretty 50/50 in terms of how much they're attracted to men and to women
No.2698
I hope they all personally die desu yaoi is for women only, scrotes need to fuck off already
No.2733
I'll go ahead and assume you don't mean faggot who just jack off to men railing each other, because then every faggot counts as a fudanshi and that's retarded.
I have never met one, but I'd say that maybe? Besides the stories on the other replies here, I imagine that if the boys are cute enough not even straightness can shield men from the moe.
No.2736
>>2735
Lol.
No.2737
>>2735
We'll stop doing that if you stop making your boys so submissive and breedable. Deal?
No.2738
>>2735
wow, you’re so badass and brave posting this here, kek. and you took a screenshot?? and you’re gonna post it somewhere else?? i’m literally quaking in my fujo boots. fujochan is over. head for the lifeboats.
No.2739
>>2735
holy shit the autism is off the charts
No.2740
>>2735
what did you mean by this
No.2743
>>2735
are you retarded
No.2744
>>2735
Unironically someone should turn this into a banner.
No.2745
>>2735
This reminds me how people don't get that shojo, shonen, etc are just demographics so they don't get that BL, which is a genre, can be either categorized as shojo or josei depending on the series. They're always grouped together in comic stores in Japan like Animate.
No.2746
>>2744On it, it's too damn good
No.3289
yes i had a classmate in highschool he was gay as hell
No.3290
The fudanshi I’ve encountered irl were all gay or bi male weebs, or gay/bi men who started to dip their toes into weebshit. The younger ones tend to have similar taste as your average fujo, ie not into barashit.
No.3346
my boyfriend had a septiplier phase when he was like 12 but doesn't touch shipping stuff or fandoms in general any more
No.3473
they exist but get shit on by barafags until they stop liking yaoi and move onto futa garbage
No.9367
How many fudan actually read BL fanfic?
No.9373
>>9367Littlekuriboh wrote some, so he was probably reading it too.
Anecdotally I have posted BL on pixiv and if you have premium you can see a breakdown of male/female viewing your work. There have been surprising numbers of men at times. I mentally assume 99% are weeb ftms but probably not all. There was one time my fanfic was bookmarked by what seemed to be a Japanese guy who had a lot of male selfinsert yume fic in his faves, which I didn't realise existed. (My fic was a game protagonist ship) Pretty interesting.
No.9375
>>2221>>9373>LittleKuribohWow, I'm so late to the party but I would have loved to have known this back in the day. I was a huge shipper of those two as well, though I preferred the regular Bakura with Malik for the most part.
Had to scroll up to see what this thread was about. I'd love more fudanshis around these parts.
No.9378
Does it count if a guy isn't into it but can see it?
Like how someone might not be into yuri sexually or read any that are graphic, but can still identify ships and have opinions on chemistry and the pace of a relationship. Basically reacting to it like any other couple.
No.9379
>>9378To be honest any dude who isn't immediately hostile to the idea of shipping is a green flag to me. The bar is that low.
No.9387
>>2217they do exist, but the fudanshi sphere is infested of trannies, so the first thing i assume when i see a self declared fudanshi is to think its another troon
No.9403
>>2217I met a few, but they're also himedanshi. IME fudanshi that are actual men tend to be bi.
No.9404
I know someone who was doing a sociology thesis about the BL community in my country. I remember the last demographic she needed was a straight guy into BL, but I think she never found one. Are straight fundashis even real?
No.9405
>>9404I've seen a few straight guys in the wild who like specific pairings from games and shows, but not really fudans. Like the guys who like Snake/Otacon or unironically enjoy Brokeback Mountain, but aren't a part of greater fandom.
I only know one real fudan personally and it's a barafag who complains that there isn't enough "romance" aimed at men since apparently most bara doesn't really have that interpersonal element. Like
>>9403 though he's a massive husbandofag and the fudan is secondary. They really are hard to find in the wild.
No.9407
>>9406So… this guy is just a bottom who wants femdom? Why read BL? I guess there isn't that much femdom het that has men getting pegged or bottoming to a futa but if he's an author he can just make his own shit.
No.9408
>>9406>>9407That just sounds like someone that needs to work out his personal issues with sex and doesn't have enough to go on that ends up with all kinds of mental gymnastics. Why not just go straight to reading girl's love stories or futa shit?
Self-inserting is just a mistake.
No.9409
>>9407>>9408The troon part is why they read BL. They want to be the "woman" to a man, you see it's not enough to be submissive, some men need to shoehorn their idea of "femininity" and other men into it for some reason
No.9410
>>9409But the dude self-IDs as straight and supposedly imagines the semes as lesbian women, and claims to be grossed out by gay sex. Sounds like he just wants to read femdom het but projects it on BL for some reason. Straight AGPs with humiliation fetish are pretty common too.
No.9413
>>9410>>9407Might be that since a woman is writing it, he gets off to the idea that the seme is acting on behalf of the female writer? I've seen that being the case before in ecchi romcoms and shounen, they jerk over the thought of a woman writing something erotic.
No.9414
>>9409>The troon part is why they read BL. They want to be the "woman" to a manyeah Hunter Schafer specifically wrote about it in a diary, the desire to want to be feminine and possessed by a strong man..
No.9415
If a man is self-inserting he's not a fudan, this is the equivalent of people who erroneously refer to all female fans as fujos. Fudans are incredibly rare whereas trap porn aimed at men is common. They are not the same thing.
No.9416
>>9410There is a large subset of AGPs who seek men to fulfil their fetish. They aren't attracted to men outside of their AGP fantasy. This is why they project onto ukes or date tranny chasers, bit confusing but it's a big thing with troons
>>9413>he gets off to the idea that the seme is acting on behalf of the female writer?Yep! I thought so too, you come across guys who like fujos, it's pretty unusual for men but it's a thing. My guess is straight fudanshis in particular like the idea that fujos who stick to the seme role (rather than just enjoy the dynamic or enjoy both the uke and seme's POV). Who knows
No.9432
I used to know a gay guy(online, so I'll have to assume he was telling the truth) who was into gay stuff but our interests never ended up aligning. He was into harry potter fanfics and kingdom hearts BL pairings but he never got into the same BL that I was into.
No.9480
>>9406everyday we invent new words to say someone is bisexual
No.9481
>>9431There are a few, i befriended a fudanshi who's just a regular slightly feminine gay guy. He likes old shojo and yaoi, but not shipping. I think you're right, shipping seems almost exclusively female
>>9480Kekk but seriously, lot of the time when men say they're 'bisexual' they're really describing one of the fetishes
>>9431 listed
No.9483
>>9481>shipping seems almost exclusively femaleThat does seem like its on par for the course since women are the ones that mostly consume romance. Shipping itself also has more to do with people's social lives and how healthy or chronically online they are.
Don't want to pry much but did that fudanshi have a normal, healthy life?
Even if weebs don't involve themselves the same way as women with shipping, they will still throw a hissy fit when their hero doesn't get the girl, although they are more prone to waifufagging to the same unhealthy levels anyway.
And I was just now checking up a group chat where someone posted a sticker of a straight couple and they later mentioned that they were their favorite pairing. They like to ship but they don't dive too deep into it.
Personally I barely ever took an interest in m/f relationships (and never touched upon f/f) and would never read romance or care about relationships. But when it came to m/m it all changed and got those feelings of fuzziness and fulfillment that are akin to having a strong crush or adoration on someone.
No.9485
>>9483Yeah! He's pretty chill and normal, didn't seem to be a coomer or a retarded shonenfag. He's one of those male manga fans that like niche/old manga and discuss it as art. We never talked about powerscaling or any fandom-typical things, it's more about artstyle and writing. Oh and i just remembered he's not gay gay, i think he dated a woman or two but he mostly dates men. If you saw him you'd just assume he's gay
No.9488
>>9485That must be it. Just a relatively normal guy that doesn't need escapism to sate his needs lol
No.9661
>talking about Epstein birthday letters with a guy I know
>he says that when he first read it he thought that the letter seemed like a secret gay relationship between Trump and Epstein
Ngl reality aside, its crazy but the more I thought of it a super secret gay relationship between two rich older guys where one of them becomes a criminal and then dies under mysterious circumstances while the other is too troubled emotionally to come out of the closet but is still implicated in the crimes because his gay letters were really vague is a pretty premise honestly.
No.9675
>>9661This is the worst thing I've read all day. Nay, perhaps even all year so far.
No.10778
I've met a few fudanshi and one of them admitted to using fujochan. They were all gay incels so that isn't so surprising. I don't really have a problem with them beyond them being creepy towards any guy who is feminine but it is nice to talk to BL fans who are not going to try to one up me constantly on degen shit.
Also (anecdotal obviously) they might be more into extreme stuff? All of the fudanshi I know are into ero guro and other hard kinks.
No.10788
>>10778>gay incelsThey exist?
No.11906
i do not like these guys, its not like i have a issue with them into yaoi (i think thats fine). but i seen how they behave and honestly, i dont get why we get most of the hate when these guys arent any better.
their personality only consist in being gay and liking yaoi, nothing else. they do probably have hobbies and other interests, but they barely talk about it because they want you know how much they're a fudanshi. in some cases they likely never read nor watched anything that is labeled BL/yaoi unless it is fan conent or anything western. if they tried to actually read or watch one, they'd most likely won't like it.
i know this sounds harmless, but i swear. these people are the WORST.
for some appearent reason many of them are just assholes??? i know this should be obvious because men are assholes, but i only knew two who are nice. TWO. like i seen them interact with others and they always try to start fights and piss off others. i don't know if i'm making assumption, but in many such cases; the worst kind of people i came across to are boys who are really really really into bl, not sure if they're all fudanshis but i see a pattern. they also love to say vulgar things and being open about their fetishes, i know like two or three who had the word "segma" on their username,others yell very nasty things whenver they're agruing to make their opponent leave so they can try to "win" in the agrument. they know that makes other people hate them, and that's kind of their goal. they love to be someone's annoyance. of course not all of them are like this, but many just love being an asshole.
No.11909
>>11906Sounds like you're talking about TIFs not fudans tbh.
No.11911
>>11906Gotta agree with
>>11909 here. You sure those weren't TIFs claiming they're heckin' true and valid "fudanshi?"
No.11913
>>11909In all my years of enduring tiffany filled fandoms I have yet to see a smegma fetishizer, but men seem to be obsessed with it, both gay and straight.
No.11920
>>11913I forgot what smegma was so I looked it up and almost threw up lol
No.11921
>>11920It's so gross but I guess it's like other bodily fluids. If you blow your nose, you're okay with handling the tissue and it's not freak out material if you need to wash your hand of it. But if it's someone else's snot there's a mental line crossed and every second your hand isn't washed feels really bad. Since I've never had a dick, a dick thing will always be in the get it the fuck off me category, instead of something I could calmly go wash my hands of. I got no desensitization at all.
No.11922
>>11911I don't know, but i usually don't care if they're trans. I know everyone here has issues with them but to me it's not something that i'm worried about.
Also to clarify, i don't hate fudanshis, i just don't trust them.
No.11924
>>11922>I know everyone here has issues with them but to me it's not something that i'm worried aboutI think the point is that you can't put trans 'fudans' in the same category as regular fudans because 99% of the time their behavior is the same as fujos except with a lot more overcompensation and/or shitting on fujos to make themselves feel more valid, including the 'making yaoi their entire identity' thing. Sometimes fudans join in on the fujo bullying if they're the misogynistic type, though, but they're less likely to complain on the basis of stereotypical 'toxic yaoi tropes' and more on the fujo content not being manly enough for them.
Rule of thumb is if you see he/him or he/they in bio it's an Aiden, adjust expectations accordingly.
No.12056
Places like /cm/ are full of fundanshi. Issue is, they're all violently misogynistic kek.
No.13140
>>12056>Places like /cm/ are full of fundanshi. Issue is, they're all violently misogynistic kek.How do they even end up talking about women there?
No.13142
>>11924I’ve encountered a few honest to goodness fudanshi, but yeah if you see the he/they pronouns then 99.9% of the time it’s a TIF. The real fudanshi (as in actual biological men who are also into yaoi/BL/shipping and engage in the same stuff as fujos) I’ve met were all millennial/Gen Z gay Asian men who were also into Asian media like dramas and anime.
>>12056Idk, it’s NAMBLA central up there so idk if I would consider them true and honest fudanshis
>>13140They’re like normie gay men, they talk down on fujos and stuff fujos like…despite enjoying fujo-made manga and art.
No.13149
>>12056These "fundanshi" you talk about…they're not very FUN are they?
*badum-tsssss*
No.13177
>>13151You would hope men experiencing oppression would make them more sympathetic to women but that's not the world we live in.
No.13183
>>13182I'm sorry but that's not what I meant at all
>>men who talk about how much they despise women and want to molest irl children are funnyOh come on shotacons be they males or females don't want to molest any real boys, in the same way that we enjoy ryona in our yaoi but know that it's a bad thing in real life and wouldn't support those types of couples.
>women shouldn't criticize those men because being killed as an infant, get mutilated, forcibly married as a child, denied education, being seen as unclean, treated as subhuman since birth, have our bodies used as breeding cattle, is a non-issueI find it doubtful that all these sexual crimes are commited by men who don't even feel sexual arousal for women
>>being killed as an infantSure… gay men do that to the daughters that their partners birth… Maybe in the omegaverse?
>>is a non-issueI didn't say those things are a non-issue, I said which reproductive organ one has is a non-issue, and I know it's awful that men turned it into an issue but my whole thesis is that it's straight men that rape and mistreat women, not gay incels who sometimes use the term "foid" which has been popularised all over 4chan unfortunately (but which was originally used by straight incels).
No.13188
>>13183>it's straight men that rape and mistreat women, not gay incels who sometimes use the term "foid"either way if someone’s being a dick no one is required to just put up with it. gay men shouldn’t be getting free passes for their misogyny.
>>13177 is right
No.13192
>>13183But the issue is that fudanshi can be misogynistic in the same way and things often come down to the "them versus us" mentality that plagues gender wars. Having a bad relationship with your mom or bad socialization growing up doesn't excuse being a shit person once you've had more experience in life, and I've seen /cm/ saying some incredibly nasty things about so-called gross women and fujos.
There are plenty of cool fudan that give and receive respect, so I don't have sympathy for men that stopped growing emotionally at age 13. There's a reason most of the women who used that board in the 2010s are long gone.
No.13193
I see the scrote defense brigade is still well and alive here. Disappointing.
No.13195
I don't go on /cm/ but do we have any proof it's mainly men there and not just majority TIFs LARPing? Do they mainly like bara or something?
No.13196
>>13195I currently have 30 threads that include the word "shota" filtered on that board, biological women don't like little boys that much.
No.13197
>>13196You'd be surprised, female shota fans definitely exist.
No.13198
>>13151So you are blaming their mothers now?
>Let's be serious it's straight men that have always held women down and committed violence against our bodies, meanwhile homos always had a more gentle soulahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
No.13199
>>13183>I find it doubtful that all these sexual crimes are commited by men who don't even feel sexual arousal for womenIt doesn't matter what you find doubtful, have you ever heard of bugchasing? they do it even with pregnant women btw, also gay men are literally the 1%, they are the richest mfs on earth, running beauty industry,fashion industry, and obviously the cosmetic surgery industry. And not only that but the movie elites are literally full of gay men, but yeah no gay men in your eyes are still soft bois so that view will never change.
No.13200
>>13183>shotacons be they males or females don't want to molest any real boysI'm a shotacon anon and I know this isn't true. Maybe not all but there are many male ones who are pedophiles and they admit it. There used to be threads with realistic art on /cm/ too, that was when I finally decided I'll never use it again.
No.13201
>>13200Someone admitting they're an honest to god pedophile on 4chan should lead to an immediate permaban, same with posting realistic loli/shota
No.13203
>>13198>>13199>>13200If you think all males are misogynistic rapists why do you care about what happens to young boys? /srs
No.13219
>>13203are you seriously comparing children to grown ass men? after i even listed the reasons why, all you got from that is that I must equally hate the children too?
Is your sense of morality so fucked that you think children are the same as grown adults that abuse them?
>srslol go back to tiktok
No.13220
>>13197I used to use /cm/ a lot in the 2010's and there were never THAT many shota threads. The board demographics have definitely shifted.
No.13221
>>13203How do you people even find this place?
No.13222
>>13219>>13221For real, only special types of people use tone tags without a hint of irony
No.13223
>>13220Maybe it's not the demographics, but the psyops by political actors have intensified. You can see it on other small boards as well, like /m/, where stuff like 'woman moment' get posted even though that board was never historically misogynistic and its autistic userbase couldn't care less about stuff other than robots and their waifus from robot shows.
No.13225
>>13224This is why I never liked shotafags, you give them an inch and they will use it to push you out of your own space
No.13227
>>13140I don't know why but gay guys on 4chan cannot stop blogging about their personal lives while posting porn. Like you can open a gay furry porn thread on /trash/ and they'll be discussing their taxes and what to buy mom for her birthday.
>>13224Is this the same /vp/ guy who bugged girls for nudes on discord? He can't claim credit for /cm/ not having any assigned mods - that was the case for at least a decade before the no-girls-allowed Pokeboy threads moved over.
No.13229
>>13227>I don't know why but gay guys on 4chan cannot stop blogging about their personal lives while posting pornThe only explanation I can think of for this is that they don't have many other people to connect with, so they try to bond with anons who like the same porn they do because they're that lonely.