No.4597
I have ships that fall under both scenarios, which is kinda funny because I've been annoyed by other people liking the more conventionally attractive ship when I prefer the pairing with an ugly character kek (I like KakaGai and hate Kakairu).
I can understand people who are sticklers for shipping based on dynamics, especially if they're attached to either/both of the characters. From their view just shipping based on appearances comes off as shallow and not really caring about the characters involved since it's basically just throwing two hot guys at each other without any regard for canon development. Especially if the 2 hot guys ship is more popular than the one with actual interactions. But at the end of the day shipping is just for fun.
No.4598
>>4596I tend to do both! when Im just getting started with a series, i gravitate towards ships with characters that look good, however as I get to know the series and characters longer, I start to enjoy crackships/ships that would work just by virtue of having a similar narrative.
No.4600
This is probably the predictable answer, but I think it has to be a bit of both? For me personally, it takes a while to get to know the characters before I can actually ship them, and whenever I do get to that point, my ships usually fall within several specific dynamics. At the same time, I don't know if I'd ship two characters who I found physically repulsive. If I truly hated looking at them, I probably wouldn't like them enough to ship them in the first place. I definitely have a couple of pairings with ugly-ish characters, but they aren't so hideous that they gross me out. I don't get people who don't base it on personality, but I don't have anything against it. It's just something I don't understand the appeal of doing.
>>4596>ZosanI'm no One Piece fan (I've watched a few episodes, but I am pretty ignorant), but don't they fight a lot? Some people
like me really like shipping characters with a rivalry or who fight all the time. I don't know enough about the show to say if that's their dynamic, but I always assumed that was the appeal?
No.4602
Usually if one or both characters are super ugly and have no redeeming fanart that I can use to trick my brain into thinking the character is actually hot,
(I did this with Paul Dano Riddler) then I’m not gonna ship them. I’ve had this happen with Kirishima from mha. Outside of fanart where his hair is down, I’ve never been able to ship him with anyone because I find him ugly (no offense to anyone who likes Kirishima).
>>4596>ZosanI think it’s wild Zosan is popular due to attractiveness because I've always thought Sanji was ugly and that Luffy was way hotter and the better choice to ship Zoro with. I had a tinfoil moment where I started thinking that Zosan’s popularity was actually caused by the fact that Luffy seems a little young to ship with Zoro. But I don’t think older fandom cared too much about that and Zosan is an older ship. Maybe they did and it was more of a subconscious thing. Or maybe I’m coping and people actually find Sanji attractive.
No.4603
For me its dynamics I might be drawn in by attractive characters but if there isn't a strong foundation for a ship or at least a plausible route to one I can't be invested.
Usually in a ship there is at least one character that I find attractive either in looks or personality, because that's what gets me interested in shipping them in the first place but I'm not afraid of "ugly" characters if the personality is strong or they bounce off of another character well. To use OP example I've always been a strong SanUso shipper, I find Sanji to be cute but I don't find Usopp attractive all. However they both have complementary personalities so I ship them and they are my One Piece OTP, I wouldn't say that I have to trick my brain to find Usopp cute for the pair, just that I think his good qualities shine through once you get to know him and you aren't just basing it on physical appearance. Lupin/Zenigata is another I ship with "ugly" characters, I don't find either traditionally cute but the thief/cop dynamic is strong so it overwrites the more conventionally attractive pairing of Lupin/Jigen.
>>4602Let me tell you Sanji has always been the dream boat character of the fandom and he was even designed to be as such (inspired by post-Titanic DiCaprio and Reservoir Dogs Buscemi). I really like his Pre-timeskip designs in particular with the blues and black. Zoro is the one I never found attractive. But I do like his personality so I ship him with Luffy who, for the record, I don't think there was ever any big backlash against shipping. There were just people who were annoyed by how "immature" he was.
No.4605
>>4596It really depends imo.
I'm a dynamicsfag first and foremost but attractiveness depends from person to person. There's people who actually like the Osomatsus and shipped them both in a weird 'humanized' way which looked much more uncanny than adapting the muppetsih look (which is ugly to me personally but some people find it cute).
There are characters that everyone somehow finds hot, but you can't see the appeal of them at all EVEN IF they are conventionally attractive (Childe is like this to me).
I have shipped 'ugly' characters before, but their 'uglyness' also really depends on someone.
If someone's just getting started into their fujo journey, I don't think it's bad to ship purely entirely through looks alone but if you want to have a better long-lasting enjoyment, you'll end up being more drawn to dynamics more than anything. But not every dynamic will be your thing even if it's your niche, at least that's how I see it.
No.4607
Dynamics, hands down. I'm simply unable to ship characters based on looks, I've never been one of those people who take the only two attractive male characters in the series and ship them together just to have a bishounen ship despite them never even talking to each other. I get absolutely no satisfaction from that, the ship has to have something the characters can canonically connect over because to me it becomes frustrating to never get any canon interaction for the ship I like. But I tend to be one of those people who don't have an OTP in everything they consume, if a series has no shipping potential for any of the characters then that's fine by me, I still have plenty of lovely ships from other sources.
No.4608
Genuine ugly x ugly shippers are God's strongest soldiers, I like some unconventionally looking characters but that's why I give them hot boyfriends.
No.4609
>>4608Are there any ships you can think of that are like that though? I feel like while it's all subjective I can't think of any ships that are completely baffling from just a visual perspective. Usually I can see some appeal at least even if the characters are ugly to me.
No.4611
Hand in hand for me. I'm biased. I want two attractive men with interesting backstories and dynamics getting it on. Why invest my time on a pairing don't find neither compelling or attractive? Don't get me started on the pickmes calling other fujos shallow for wanting young attractive men in their ships instead of all that old man yaoi crap.
No.4613
>>4611I actually like middle-aged men, and usually find them more attractive than bishies lol. To each their own.
There's nothing wrong with shipping purely on attraction though I don't get any enjoyment if there isn't at least a little canon basis. The part you said about characters being "compelling" is what really seals the deal. A character can be ugly, cute, hot ect. But none of that matters if they aren't interesting and worth reading/writing stories about.
No.4621
>>459690% dynamics, 10% looks. Sometimes a motherfucker is just so wretched to me I can't get into the ship.
>Beyblade where the two most shipped characters were Kai and ReiI remember being really mad about this because Kai/Tyson was the one that made sense to me.
>>4609Pete/Billy from the Venture Bros falls into this, but I feel like using western cartoons is cheating.
No.4631
>>4609>Are there any ships you can think of that are like that though?The guys from The Terror.
No.4644
>>4609Breaking Bad and BCS
No.4647
>>4631>>4644Real people don't count since human attraction is so broad it's not surprising there would be a community for anyone flesh and blood.
>>4621Now this is a better example was only thinking of anime when I posted that but cartoons are ripe for weird bizarre, and frankly ugly ships. Chemistry might be good for all I know so I respect them, but I'd probably be too embarrassed to publicly ship something like that under a main account.
No.4651
>>4650Whats funny is I've never seen a native English speaker into this ship its all Japanese artists. Very odd, I don't even think they have a good dynamic it feels like incest for incests sake. Fair, but literally any other series works better.
No.4655
>>4652He's kind of got an ugly-cute vibe honestly. What makes their relationship so gay nonna, are they childhood friends?
No.4656
>>4655uggo initially disliked qt for replacing his friend on the team but they gradually grow closer, uggo improved personality wise after meeting qt, acts tsundere around him and qt even wears his uniform at one point, they have beauty and the beast vibes
No.4657
>>4650Kek props to the artist for managing to make them kiss with those noses
No.4668
>>4664>bottom role>Axel dickriderthats so on the nose i cant stop giggling
No.4690
>>4602The inherent problem with shipping characters like Goku and Luffy is that there's no character to them, they're like brick walls narratively.
No.4692
>>4690I disagree Luffy clearly has a character and personality, and while he's not the most dynamic he's not boring either especially by shonenshit standards.
Haven't seen Dragonball so I won't comment on Goku. The only characters I struggle to ship due to lacking character tend to be game protags. The persona series for instance doesn't have a single MC I like with anyone since they're all (cute) blank slates.
No.4705
>>4703Shonen has writers so afraid of writing women that they just make it gay by accident, like kishimoto, or writers that think straight romance is boring like oda
However one piece gets so fucking gay sometimes that even retarded powerscalers and normies can pick up on it
No.4711
>>4692>>4697>>4703We are talking about Shounen here, I don't read it for well developed characters, it's the equivalent of Junk-food and there's nothing wrong liking Junk-good but you shouldn't pretend it's well made
No.4712
>>4711Static character doesn't equal poorly written character though? Luffy doesn't go through sweeping character arcs where he grows as a person, but that isn't the same as not having a personality or being a bad character.
Most series deaigned to last forever be they shoujo or shonen give the protagonist a loud clearly defined personality to make the viewer like them and then rely on external conflicts not internal conflicts to string the plot along. One Piece also does this by giving Luffy a crew who do go though dynamic character arcs.
I agree that unless you switch protagonists or have arcs focused on different characters all Shonen Jump series are inherently devalued by the fact that they are designed to go on forever and can't easily making sweeping changes to the status quo of the work. However I don't think they are completely "junk food" either and there are unique benefits like setting up character beats that are only payed off years later for instance Shanks, Sanji, Koby, and several smaller characters in OP have stuff like that which is only capable because it's a long running serialized manga.
It's fine to not like it, I'm at the point in my life where I don't want to read 100+ volume works. In fact I'm not even caught up to OP and probably will never actually finish it even though I have fond memories of the early parts. It just seems misguided to dismiss serialized works outright.
No.4720
>>4712I don't hate it, I wouldn't care about If i didn't enjoy it but I will also acknowledge it's bad writing decisions and again and I'm fine with characters staying static in long running series, but One Piece characters have actively devolved and been flanderized
No.4721
>>4720That I will agree with, the ship dynamics were positively fucked after the timeskip and shortly after that I dropped the series.
Not as big of a fall off as something like Bleach, but enough that I had no interest in continuing.
No.4735
So, I was thinking about this thread in relation to the non-human thread on /wes/ and I think more western fans would fall in the second camp right? Not even talking specifically ugly ships like
>>4650 or whatever, but if you're shipping Looney Tunes, or like Ed, Edd, n Eddy characters you're probably into the perceived character dynamic moreso than anything else. Not to insinuate cute /wes/ ships don't exist of course. plenty of conventually cute characters there as well I just think dynamic shipping is more common for cartoon properties.
Meanwhile I think a lot video game ships are the two cute boys thrown together, not that they don't have substance but I think because of the limits of video games as a medium focused more on player interactivity instead of showing a narrative to the viewer the characters aren't always as developed as they could be and the shipping comes more from outward appearance and the brief shimmers of personality that we get in dialog and cutscenes. Gacha games are the biggest offender here, and I cannot get invested in most of those ships. Conversely most visual novels or games with heavy visual novel elements do have enough time dedicated to their characters to circumvent that.
No.4740
>>4736The combination of realistic ecchi body and cartoony design everywhere else is taking me out. I still have no idea how Hazbin took off in Asian fandom, did it get a Japanese dub or sub?
But tbqh I'm just jealous and wish I could make something that would get noticed by nihon-senpai and spawn actualfax doujins.
No.4742
>>4740It did actually, in fact the pilot had a Japanese dub before the series was even officially out.
Personally I can see people being attracted to the Hazbin characters since their designs are mainly suits, demon boy elements, and other DeviantArt sparkledog edginess, but oddly enough I don't feel like any two male characters have had enough time for a romantic ship? You've got Alastor/Lucifer as a hatefucking ship, Alastor/Husk and Valentino/Angel have the contracts you can play with, and the show is clearly setting up Husk/Angel, but idk. Just not enough screentime yet for me to care, I hope later seasons give more time to breath as the characters seem fun.
Here's Poison JP dub btw. Just about every major language has a dub and I'd recommend checking of the Italian and Turkish versions of some of the songs since they're good.
No.4749
>>4742i mean there's vox/val as well and vox/alastor as a one-sided crush ship but yeah, if you want better BL content i'd check out helluva boss instead
No.4750
>>4749Honestly despite the fact that someone posted a doujin of it above Vox is such a minor character to me I forgot complelty about shipping him with Alastor whoops.
I don't want to derail the thread too much, but Helluva doesn't hook me as much as Hazbin conceptually, plus I don't like Stolas. Which is why I'm hoping season 2 will fulfill the pre-req fujo needs so I can read all the JP doujins.
No.4763
>>4761Tom is uke Jerry is seme.
No.4764
>>4763BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
No.4765
>>4763unironically i would kill for some gijinka yaoi of tom getting tag teamed and spitroasted by nibbles and jerry
No.4824
>>4819I just can't take the shipping with Luffy seriously, this isn't a "he's [x] coded" moralfag, it's that he's a static non-character. It would be like shipping a dog with someone
No.4835
Speaking of OP's image I was initially suprised the anime didn't inspire any Laios x Senshi, but then I wasn't because I saw Laios x Chilchuck got a fanfic boost instead. Chilchuck is way cuter, but Senshi and Laios have the similar love of cooking monsters and I was hoping for a least a few fluff stories for that. I'm just saying if Senshi was a cute halfling those fanwork counts would be switched.
Kabu is great but I never shipped him with anyone and the anime still hasn't sold me on him and Laios.
No.4840
>>4835>Laios x SenshiEwwwwwwwwwwwww
No.4841
>>4840Haha, I already said why. I maintain if Senshi had a cute design people would be making cooking fics with the two.
Can't say I'm surprised by the reaction though :p
No.4853
>>4596I wanted to scream "DYNAMICS OF COURSE" since the majority of 2D men I love aren't conventionally attractive. But then I realized that this is the very reason for why I should scrutinize my former answer.
If looks play no role, why do my guys look weird? Think I should ask myself about the relation between dynamics and designs. E.g. if I'm into pairings involving grumpy men or veterans with emotional scars I won't find many pretty teenagers, it's most likely older men. Ships between despots and their loyal enforcers would probably involve a tank dude with armor and a bearded general or elegant ikemen. Doubt it could be two twinky teens or guys with colorful crazy hair styles.
So the real question is: would I still like them if the designs clashed with their roles? Would Vampire Dies in No Time be just as good if Draluc looked like a typical bishounen? I cannot imagine it.
tl;dr: Primarily dynamics for me, though dynamics and designs usually depend on the roles and personalities so it's kind of one thing to me. I don't go into a series considering someone particularly attractive before I witness them on screen. I like their jokes, interactions or personalities first and that's what eventually makes them seem hot to me.
No.4857
>>4853So do you think there is an ugly duckling appeal in your ships? Do you like the idea of say a character initially not being attracted to one party but through the interactions they learn to love anyway or does the perceived "ugliness" of the character play no role in the ship and it is purely an element of the role they play in the greater narrative?
I get what you're saying with specific archetypes not tending to have the bishounen beauty but I still think within those roles there is a difference between "This is a mature man designed to be ruggedly attractive" and "this is a mature man designed to be scruffy."