/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

You are correct Nonna, most fujos do not hate female charcters. I've even read BL works with amazing female charcters that your basic most popular anime couldn't compete with! Pic related of female charcter I liked form a BL, even though she appears for like 4 or so pages.
As for the fujo vs yumejo discourse, a lot of fujos are yumjos and vice versa and I think the people insisting on a beef going on are either moids or childish fujos/yumes.
What do you think Nonna? I'd like to know your opinion.

I don’t know, but it’s kind of kept me from ever identifying as either. I like fujo, otome, and yumejo stuff (along with a lot of male-oriented stuff as well). Basically if it involves a guy I find cute, I like it. I have seen both fujos and fags sperg out about a female character just appearing in fanart, not even in a pairing context. I have also seen fujos get demonized by women and men as disgusting and fetishists. It’s all dumb.

>>8
>why do people always claim fujoshi hate female characters?
Because a lot of fujos *do* hate female characters that could potentially be paired with one of the guys in their OTP, or female characters that do get together with one of them in the end in canon, and because many old BL manga had female villains who would try to steal one of the guys away from the other. How do you not understand that?

Why do fujos always pretend that there have never been shitstorms over female characters being paired with male characters? You may not personally participate in female-character-hating, but a lot of fujos do.
Also many become fujos because they fantasize about hot anime guys but don't want any competition from other women, they're very jealous and possessive (many admit it themselves) to the point that they see any woman in the story as a threat, unless said woman explicitly supports the main pairing like >>18 (this of course also happens in het romance stories for women, but fujos are more openly hostile to female characters in general)
Also because a lot of fujos become Aidens or develop a desire to be male because they think having sex as a woman is inherently inferior (internalized misogyny)

>>28
>many old BL manga had female villains who would try to steal one of the guys away from the other
hmm which manga, nona?

i wrote a long-ass post, but it's too long for a single comment. sorry for the essay.

i think i'm probably one of these mythical 'fujos who hate women and yumejos,' or at least i'm mistaken for one often enough. it's a lot more nuanced than that, but people who are looking for an excuse to hate fujoshi often jump to conclusions.

i don't hate female characters, but i'm very judgemental about how well they're characterized and i'd rather have no female characters than poorly-written ones. i think it's because i read primarily as a form of escapism and i empathize strongly with female characters; a poorly-written male character is just eye candy to me, but a poorly-written female character brings me out of the fantasy. sometimes it's not just poor writing, too. i also dislike certain archetypes like the 'strong female characters' currently popular in western literature because their personality and actions are too difficult for me to relate to.

>>30
it's the same thing with yumejos, really. i don't hate them, but i don't understand the thought process. i might have a favorite character i'm particularly dedicated to, but i wouldn't want to date him. it's just hard for me to put away the logistics of something like that - our personalities wouldn't mesh, i'm very high-maintenance, i don't even speak japanese - and turn it into a cool fantasy. i don't even like reading stories with vaginal sex, even for het ships i like, because a character having the same genitalia as me brings the whole thing too far from a safe fantasy and too close to reality to be enjoyable. it's just my unhealthy coping mechanisms at play, i guess.

what i dislike about yumejos is really yumejos disguised as fujos - when someone is writing fujo ship content, but it's clear they're projecting heavily on one of the characters and turning them into a self-insert. i've gotten a lot more chill about people 'mischaracterizing' characters in fan content over the years since there's often a lot of room for interpretation, but some works seriously reek of a creator wanting to ship themselves with a character and using another character as their mouthpiece. just write reader-insert fiction if you want to do that.

anyways. i'm probably not representative of most fujoshi, but maybe my perspective might be interesting to consider.

>>30
>i'm very judgemental about how well they're characterized and i'd rather have no female characters than poorly-written ones

i (kind of) relate to this. especially as someone who likes shonen manga; female characters that just sit around and do nothing but serve as a love interest/cheerleader for mc piss me off. female characters that are nothing but walking fanservice fodder or plot devices that inspire male mc to go out and Do Cool Shit are annoying (that being said i don't mind satellite love interests like takemichi's gf from tokyo revengers – mostly bc she isn't a damsel in distress lol).

to a point though, it's also that these poorly written fem characters are crafted by men. they're shitty moid ideas. i don't like seeing them. that annoys me the most, i'm unsure if this makes sense.

>>28
>Because a lot of fujos *do* hate female characters
Yeah, when I was like, 12. Pretty sure lost of those are the young fujos who haven't matured yet. But I agree with you on the Aiden part, we can even go deeper on the conversation why some Fujos turn into Aidens.

>>32
>it's also that these poorly written fem characters are crafted by men. they're shitty moid ideas
This!! I don't hate female charcters, I hate that they weren't made for us, they were made for moids. So i just refuse to get invested in them so I just stick to what is made for me with Shojo female charcters or modern female charcters in BL

>>35
>I hate that they weren't made for us, they were made for moids
don't mind them not being marketed for Women specifically so long as they actually do something cool within their series. makima, maki, nobara, rukia, etc. are all characters i like.

im fujo but i love female character so much even the unironic coomer female chara aimed at moid (yeah my brain is somewhat wired like moid) and also i love yuri too. i think most fujo who hate fem chara in general is just childish fujo/yumes, i see a ton of them in my local weeb fujo community and theyre mostly still underage girl. well they will grow out of that phase anyway. as for fujos vs yume this just from my observation but most fujo in my circle hate yume so much bcus they cringe at yumeshit and just hate self insert shit or hetshit in general. and it same for yume in my local weeb circle they hate fujos bcus they dont like seeing their husbando being gay and doesnt help most of them is homophobic (its normal in most yumes who live in 3rd world country). though i do sometime see fujo who also yume or yume who doesnt mind with fujo content.
im kinda neutral with yume but i dont vibe with them bcus i just dont like self insert shit in general but i dont mind getting along with them tho.
im more baffled at a lot of people make statement how fujo hate yuri bcus most nip fujo artist i follow like yuri too and same goes with yuri artist (usually the female one) love BL too. sure there's fujo who hate yuri but most of the time theyre still childish or underage, almost fujosister i found like both yuri and BL. and nowadays most fujo even the younger one are very open-minded with yuri or just neutral with it (not rly hating it like ppl claim it). if anything nowadays i see alot male himedanshit openly disgusted with BL and hate male chara bcus it threatened their masculinity or puritan himejoshit in twt hating male chara just bcus YAS SLAY QUEEN MUH WOKE WLW LESBIAN and gonna yell at you how if you dont like their female chara you are misogynistic piece of shit.

>>42
same anon need to make separate post bcus its too long welp, obviously not all himejo is like this (im himejo myself). most himejo in my circle is very chill and love/neutral with BL.
i do feel sorry with my himejosister who have to be associated with SJW zoomer lesbiantwt or incel himedanshit.
my opinion for fem chara is i dont rly expect good writing of fem chara in shonen genre & just ignore it. ironically most good fem chaa i find is in cute girls doing cute thing animangames or in couple of chink mobage. i love most girls in chink mobage go for cool beauty and handsome girl direction, like arknights and girls frontline.

>>27
>I have also seen fujos get demonized by women and men as disgusting and fetishists.

this mostly done by the wokes aidens and sjw dyke. most gay man and fudanshi (not aidens) simply dont give a shit abt fujo.
legit tho most gay man i see doesnt care or not give a flying fuck abt fujos. maybe its the zoomer one but even so theyre minority among moid barafag.
i only see gay man just mock fujo taste bcus ew twink but not bcus muh fetishizing muh opressing gay men like you see on twitter.
i hate wokey so much

>>42
i actually like female characters in my bl, because it's so nice seeing a woman not getting abused for dumb coomer moid reasons and it feels less gross than in yuri.

>>45
>i only see gay man just mock fujo taste bcus ew twink
kek all the gay weaboos I've seen online and irl who did this would then tell me that they were all obsessed Red/Blue (from Pokemon) or Sebasciel when they were teenagers so even then they're not even always being serious.

>>35
>I hate that they weren't made for us, they were made for moids.
yes, i think that's exactly it. i read a lot of trashy otome isekai where the female lead is made of wish fulfillment instead of personality, but i don't find myself annoyed with those characters because it's clear they were written by women for women. to self-insert into, but it's the thought that counts.

>>42
>im more baffled at a lot of people make statement how fujo hate yuri
i'm surprised by that too! i see a lot of yuri side ships in bl, both in original works and in fandom/shipping. i imagine it's popular in part because lesbian women can't be involved in a love triangle with guys, so it's not 'threatening' to gay pairings and can't be used for cheap relationship drama.
i don't mind yuri personally since i have a weakness for beautiful female characters, but a lot of what's popular strikes me as very male gaze.

>>46
thats understandable, as for me maybe bcus im just degenerate and coomer so i dont mind seeing gross shit in moid coomer shit, however im more fucking annoyed seeing degrading, shallow and sexism portrayal of female in mainstream or general media. at least in porn you expect to see fetishy and nasty shit and you know what you're getting into, no need to take it srsly. Meanwhile in mainstream media or any non porn media it isn't like that & often it feel more demeaning than in coomershit. i cant explain well but it just feel different seing fetishy on female in coomershit and non-coomershit

>>49
>however im more fucking annoyed seeing degrading, shallow and sexism portrayal of female in mainstream or general media
same honestly
i'm a woman who actually enjoys some coomer shit (like a few select shindoL doujins) but that's solely within coomer shit. if i'm reading a shonen mnaga or watching something meant for a general audience, hell no, i do not want to see boring housewives or damsels in distress

Because they thirst for or self insert as the generic shounen jump girl, most fujos (at least the ones that aren’t preteens) don’t hate female characters for me personally I just hate fanservice bait generic love interest female characters because they exist only for the protagonist to date.

>>28
Well what do we have here, the good old "but fujos hate the girl disturbing their hot yaoi pairing" accusation. I just love how people keep bringing up shit literal 12-year olds say as the gospel truth of how a community behaves at large.

But being serious, a lot of those female characters deserve the hate. Any time I see people dishing it out, the character in question is an useless scrote power fantasy prize without proper plot relevance besides representing a trope of choice (Manic pixie, tsundere, kuudere, mommy replacement, childhood friend..) and giving the MC a cliche'd pep talk, only to suddenly share a kiss and become his girlfriend despite barely sharing a scene with him. The badly written female love interest represents everything that women despise in their lives - being a tool for men to milk emotional labor out of and being valued by her looks and desirability, and expected to crush on and start a relationship with a man out of duty. The hate usually isn't due to "ree woman ruins my hot gay ship" either, it's more about "ree badly written stock relationship is prioritized above the more interesting one just because of the heteronormative status quo".

I repeat, I have never in my life seen a large amount of fujos hate on actually well-written female character. Every time people bitch about "misogynist fujos hating an innocent female character for ruining their gay relationship" it's *always* some annoying shoehorned bitch that even hetfags find annoying and ridicule all the time or like said above, they hate the ship for being nonsensical, not the female character herself.

>>29
Note how she never came back with examples kek. It's actually an outdated, misogynist trope that's despised by Japanese fujos so much that they created a high profile anthology to address it.

>>191
What you said reminded me of Eyeshield 21. I was 100% sure Mamori would become Sena's love interest when I read it in middle school and it wasn't finished yet even though it would have been retarded and I knew I would have hated it. I love that they just stay best bros forever, and even her and Hiruma's relationship is very vague and ambiguous anyway. We need more female characters who don't end up being a love interest in Shonen Jump manga.

>>191
Anthology book? Drop the name nona.

>>198
Guessing it's "Joshi BL", an anthology done as a tribute to all the female characters in BL. https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=132101

>>8
>why do people always claim fujoshi hate female characters? most of the fujos i hang/hung with had tons of female favorites and only ever despised women that didn't do anything (orihime of bleach, for example).
Yume here
I personally mostly see younger fans, Aidens or young Ayydens actively doing so. Older yumes and fujos have mostly moved on and only really hate those that do nothing.
As for the yume vs fujo "war", it's much greyer than moids think. I've known quite a lot of people who are both, hell, even a yume husbandofag whose husbando is from a BL game.
What I do not respect though, is pretending to be one while secretly being the other. Whether it is totally-not Ayydens writing what's supposedly fujo ship content but actually projecting into them (usually on the bottom) in order for them to self insert or so-called husbandofag yumes that do not mind or even rejoice on seeing their husbandos fuck or get fucked bu someone else, that's something I'll never forgive. Pick a side and go with it.

>>8
Because when I read yaoi I want to see cute boys interacting with cute boys and kissing cute boys. If I want to read or watch female characters, I can look literally anywhere and everywhere else for that. Yaoi is still very niche so why would I want to see more females characters in something that promises to focus on boys? If people equate wanting to just see anime boys as hating women then they're no different than the retards who can't tell the difference between fiction and reality and think I want to look at 3D moids make out because I like yaoi. I don't mind yumejos, but not wanting to see females doesn't mean people hate females. I'll even say that even if someone does hate female characters and you're mad at them for it, you're just projecting feeling like a victim over 2D characters. There's people that hate male characters in their ecchi and yuri manga and no one gets mad at them for that, so why is it the opposite when a woman doesn't want to see females in their yaoi manga? Why are they accused of "internalized misogyny" or some other retarded term? I think it's completely fair and people who equate 2D morals and logic to 3D are smooth brained.

>>30
Based and same. Yaoi is an escapeism for me as well and I don't want to read about le empowering strong female character I just wanna get off to boys kissing. I don't want to think and cute boys gives me the feel good chemical in my brain.

>>30
I agree with you. I also dislike poorly written female characters and female characters clearly meant to be fanservice. I would rather they not be there.

The hottest female charas are when fujos draw genderbends of male chara. The only downside is when you're in a fandom with moderately buff cast and it's like they're competing to draw the tits bigger and heavier every time until it stops making sense for the characters.

I did used to hang out in some yumejo spaces where they both hated genderbends and all fujos with a fiery passion. Even when it didn't affect the shows and characters they liked they seemed to have it in for people they'd never met. It was a shock really, I'm used to fans of the same character being like OMG YES YOU GET IT and sharing what they like, but those yumejo at least would start hissing and acting like it was Highlander before they even met the person. They'd start sharing screencaps of someone else's socmed and practically stalking them for dirt to talk shit and say they're not a true yome for this guy. I've doubted people's interests in characters I like because they got shit wrong about them from the manga or whatever, but the fucking secret exposé operations killed me. Pretty sure me and the other mild yumes all left without saying anything about it. Also I totally dug through the socmeds of the ones who stalked other people to collect and tell my best friend what crazy entitled shit they got up to in their daily lives, so I guess I'm just a different flavor of terrible. I just love watching people send themselves anon Tumblr asks telling themselves how great they are, then blogging about how no boy will ever love them. 10/10, ningen saiko.

>>1754
>The only downside is when you're in a fandom with moderately buff cast and it's like they're competing to draw the tits bigger and heavier every time until it stops making sense for the characters.

God I hate this. I also love m-to-f genderbends, but finding good ones where they stick to the original outfit and don't turn badass characters into moeblobs with huge tits can be hard. Not to mention the huge amount of hetbend that sometimes shows up in BL logs. I got so tired of this in shonen fandom that I just started excluding genderbend tag from search.

Tangent but I also love genderbent yuri, but finding it written well is also such a chore. I think the only stuff I found for my OTP on pixiv was OOC modernshit and OOC AUshit. I just want the same characters with the same jobs as in canon.

>>28
>Why do fujos always pretend that there have never been shitstorms over female characters being paired with male characters?
That's normal, it's ship war. Are you suggesting straight ships don't do the same thing? Who do you think hates Hinata more than Sakura/Naruto shippers?