/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>8295
>when a ship becomes canon that wasn't initially intended to be so, it leads to the characters being written in a totally different way from before they were made an official couple
South Park's creek in a nutshell. Totally soured me on Craig's character and I already didn't like Tweek.

>>8296
Sad, I liked Tweek though I never got into Creek before the episode since they hardly interacted in the show. Personally Craig was/is boring to me, but I imagine people who shipped him with Stan were pretty bitter about the whole affair lol.

>>8292
>Well very, very, extremely rarely have I felt any motivation/inspiration to draw or write for BL, but with danmei there are always points in the plot which can be explored in more detail or made into canon divergence.
This is how I feel about it. Outside of some danmei the only original BL I've seen with a long-lived fanfic scene is the Finder series and that's because it's non-stop hurdles with an ensemble cast and emotional blueballing despite the fact that they fuck in the first chapter.

For me I think my canon ship taste can be defined as "if you removed the explicit canon, would I still want to roll around in the sandbox with the bait?" and this is where I might start to sound snobby because it simply doesn't apply to a lot of the BL I've read.

>>8292
>Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think you've posted this same thing at least twice before, and it always strikes me as oddly hostile, like you took someone disagreeing as a personal attack.
AYRT, I posted about it for the first time. I see it as a superiority complex because people only do it whenever others are lamenting over the fact that we'll never have another Promare/YOI moment because studios are too scared of making ships that unquestionably read as gay because that would put them in that embarrassing "for girls" category nobody wants to sign while straight couples are a status quo and lesbian couples are constantly canonized because they're nonthreatening and can more easily be written off as just best pals. And they're always ignoring the underlying message of "we want to feel respected" including in the need for canon ships and respond with a mindset essentially delivering the message of "uh so you want to be spoonfed like a bunch of troglodytes without imagination? couldn't be me" no matter how you try to frame it. That reads as a superiority complex, and funny you should mention me reading it as a personal attack when these anti-canon anons seem to believe in some zero sum game where having more canon couples would mean less canon for them I guess. Otherwise they wouldn't be bothered to even contribute to the discourse.

>>8294
Shipping is fun, but YOI made me a changed woman. You mean I can have a gripping story that takes itself seriously, has great writing and voice acting, is about adult issues and also a very well developed romance between two men created by a woman writer and a woman director? Sign me up! Too bad despite making record sales the thanks they got was getting their movie project canned because they already got a shiny new cash cow (AOT, Chainsaw Man, JJK) thanks to YOI's success.

>>8297
>people who shipped him with Stan were pretty bitter
It was me. I was bitter about Creek becoming canon. Stan x Craig fics dropped so hard after that episode. I don’t think they ever recovered. I recovered, but I didn't even watch past season 18. I literally started watching South Park right after season 18 aired only to be crushed when the Creek episode aired like a year later because I had already been shipping a bunch of characters and I didn’t like Tweek at all. I still played the games, but the superhero one with the plot line to reunite Creek was the one quest line I never did. I could handle the fanart at least.

>>8303
I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes Tweek. I get the joke with his character, him being a methhead and all, but he's the kind of anxious softboy character that appeals to a particularly annoying brand of pooner.

>>8296
I always thought Creek was kinda cute, tho I only saw them as a couple when they went canon

>>8305
Weirdly my opinion on Tweek and Craig have swapped since playing the superhero game. I used Wonder Tweek in a lot of fights and he was useful which made me like him slightly more than I used to. Super Craig was meh. But yeah Tweek’s whole personality being “methhead lol” did not endear him to me one bit.

>>8271
I hate LADS because they shit on BL fanwork. This is why I don't want the future of gacha games for women just being fucking otome, I can't stand being around these yumes. Yumes were already annoying in the joseimuke thread always complaining about fujos. Fujos always get shit from other women in fandom, the yumes, the het/yuri stans, I'm tired of it. Why is it so damn hard to just make an anime game with some fujo pandering instead of fucking it up? I was never too into Hoyo yaoi but I see why it got a lot of people invested when most joseimuke games suck ass. It's a real shame all these games now have to pander to the worst incels possible when it was doing fine before. Now there really is nothing. And people say fujos are so "privileged" because of all the fanfics, when the reason they exist is because so much of media is hostile towards us.

>I hate mpreg
>I hate omegaverse and all those similar verses like domsub, cake-verse and other autistic verses that have humans have strange sexual biology.
>I hate it when people put maid outfits on males (butler or waiter uniforms are superior)
>I hate the fanfic writers that just put topical or unrelated political bullshit in fanfic. I read fanfic to have a good time not be reminded of real life. Put that shit in your xitterbluesky account asshole.
You can like all of these, it's just not my cup of tea.


Also fuck JayVik faggots on mainstream social media and the season 2 writers of arcane, thanks for ruining the fandom.

>>8311
>I was never too into Hoyo yaoi but I see why it got a lot of people invested
I didn't take the shipping super seriously but it was nice that the men in those games couldn't possibly have a canon female love interest for risk of Chinese incel domestic terrorism. Like yeah I'll never get the canon yaoi but I will also never get the canon het.

>>8311
I was into vtubers for a while and it's pretty much the most misogynistic and anti-fujo subculture imaginable. After I left the subculture I decided to get into BL games and other series specifically aimed at a fujoshi demographic and I've been having a lot more fun. In the end all we can really do is support the work we like and want to see more of.
I feel optimistic about the future re: BL despite everything. NuKani has inspired several copycats despite none of them taking off yet. Several BL anime are releasing in the near future and to get controversial for a moment I think the success of the Hellaverse bodes well for cartoons fujopandering going forward, even in Vivzie is the only one willing to do it at the moment.
FujoGODs will soon have our day.

>>8312
>Also fuck JayVik faggots on mainstream social media and the season 2 writers of arcane, thanks for ruining the fandom.
Care to elaborate? I like Jayvik but I won't touch social media with a 10 foot pole.

>>8311
>I hate LADS because they shit on BL fanwork

imagine being into a game that gives you an illusionary boyfriend and giving shit to fujos because they like anime boys making out.
Honestly between fujos and yumes/hetshippers ( most hetshippers are yumes too, either in denial or unaware of what yume even is) i find way more cringy and embarassing to pretend to have an anime boyfriend than to just ship two male characters together.

>>8315
It's similar to the klance thing in which shippers are annoying the normies and creators.
The most egregious one to me was the some fujos going into moid territory (e-sports tournaments) holding signs or petitions to Riot to make their ship canon. Like this just makes the normies and straights resent fujos even more, fucking retards have some tact.
I don't have the screenshots of when the dipshits being annoying online towards the creators. they deserve it though, because they le queerbaited the shipper community and they had the canon lesbian pairing fuck in a cell so that means the popular gay ship should be canon gay too!!!1! Nevermind the other woman in the equation! The voice actors and writers pandering to them are in it as well. Petitions are so lame.
also there's a racism controversy that involves mel in the jayvik discourse lmao.
There's also some attention whore Canadian rapper cosplaying as viktor(?) and using the jayvik popularity to get some clout… and then I just stopped paying attention to this fandom because I'm so sick of it at this point. That's all that's there to that show for the fandom huh? all shipping shipping shipping! plot? lore?? World building?? playing Gaem??? appreciating the animation? Who cares le yaois XDDDD!!!1!

>>8317
At least we can all laugh because this couldn’t have happened to a better fandom than LoL.

>>8316
That reminds me of this one "catholic" (you know the type) yume on Xitter who's always sperging about fujos because she nearly trooned out thanks to yaoi and now she thinks every fujo is some self hating DSM case like her. Whenever she goes on some Substack pseud spiel about them she gets all these groypers worshipping her in her replies. It's repulsive.

>>8319
>almost trooned out
>became a yume
I swear 90% of fujotifs are literally just yumes plaguing our spaces i hate it so much.

>>8320
Yup, and should they troon out or not it always ends the same way: shitting on the evil fujos.
Insufferable "people".

>>8319
Oh, these people. NTAYRT but I absolutely know the type you're referring to. Most actual fujos that I know aren't even half troons but quite clearly identify as women, but the people with all this gender hubbub are always repressed yumes who have found a loophole in their catholic guilt allowing them to be horny for men if they just identify as a he/him themselves. They're the kind inserting cuntboys in fanfiction because they need to heterofy BL to be able to enjoy it. Later if they fall down the RW/Trad pipeline they project their own experiences onto all fujos out there despite probably having spent their entire "fujo" arc screeching about how fujoshis are goon-addicted degenerates sexualizing their minor-coded self insert pookie. Literally every single "fujo" identifying as a man I've known in my life has been like this, a heterosexual yume who took their self-insertion a step too far.

>>8317
I don't think the jayvik spergs are as bad as the klance ones. Klancefags were actual mentally ill tumblerinas who harrassed va's, tried to leak show stuff, shipped real kids, sent death threats and would get comments deactivated because they would spam "Klane is canon king". I remember just like yesterday when they made those theories about how two stars in the background of a shot (one blue and the other red) meant klance would be canon. For jayvik I feel like the mainstream fandom is full of retarded baby gays/trannies who are just very fucking annoying. Until I see Viktor's va getting stalked or harrassed or I see retarded MAKE JAYVIK CANON NOW spam comments on League posts I won't think these two fandoms are that alike.
Tho I will never forgive them for spamming ao3 with their tranny shit. May god smite americans

>>8324
Tbf with Klance shippers the creators reaped what they sowed. A lesson for all future creators, don’t bait your audience into genuinely believing you will make a popular non canon ship canon. It’s not like they were leaving bread crumbs either, they (the creators and vas) were throwing whole loaves at Klance shippers. Like I hate throwing this word around but what the vld creators did what literal queerbaiting. Not that I’m excusing what fans did, but they were feral for a reason.

>>8317
Riot is a shit company that hates women to the point of losing 100 million over it, I actually find it hilarious that they struck gold with JayVik regarding fujoshi and yet Arcane failed to make them play the game or care about LoL.

>>8316
They call fujos "male centered" but then self insert as dating an anime man. They managed to twist not shipping yourself with a male character as true misogyny, but shipping men together is. I wouldn't be surprised if they think gay men are more misogynist than straight men.
>>8317
Jayvik is nowhere close to being as bad as Klance. Voice actors being involved is annoying, but if anyone is similar to Klance its the fucking Meljay shippers. They're the ones calling voice actors slurs for not supporting the het ship and harassing fic writers. They're the most unhinged ship fandom and are mosly yumes who self insert onto Mel in disguise.

>>8317
>That's all that's there to that show for the fandom huh? all shipping shipping shipping! plot? lore?? World building?? playing Gaem??? appreciating the animation? Who cares le yaois XDDDD!!!1!
I see. I have no way of knowing how true this is for the fandom at large, but I myself would have never given a LoL show the time of day if it wasn't for the writing and animation. If I went back in time and told myself 10 years ago I'd be writing 50k+ words of LoL fanfic I'd piss myself laughing or want to kill myself.
>>8326
>Riot is a shit company that hates women to the point of losing 100 million over it
Kek this. Fujobucks aside, their failure to prepare ANY meaningful amount of merch for the show was laughably pathetic. An abject failure of business from even a layperson's point of view.

>>8327
>I wouldn't be surprised if they think gay men are more misogynist than straight men.
I've seen this claimed sparingly on LC lol
Ultimately it depends on how much a fujo/yume wants to be centered herself among all the "male centering," which is fair enough, but can lead to a fujoyume disliking BL where characters actually act faggy because it kinda breaks the self-insert illusion
I've seen similar complaints about yuri if a woman is too butch
But it is what it is

>>8327
>They call fujos "male centered" but then self insert as dating an anime man
Aren't they the ones who make their self inserts big boobie women and barely show the guy they like?

>>8327
>>8329
>>I wouldn't be surprised if they think gay men are more misogynist than straight men.
Can concur, I see this take on LC periodically. They have the most unhinged reasons too like one claimed that gay men rape women more which is like…. I guess they're not gay then kek. There's a lot to criticize about the misogyny in gay communities but for these people the main gripe seems to be simply garden variety homophobia and nothing more.

>>8331
But make it radfem to gain more cred. I knew one nonna who straight up like the idea of raping gay men and turning them straight, which is like, no different to straight men trying to turn lesbians straight? How is that feminist? There's a lot to be said with the gay community but my mind can't fathom some of the shit they pull out of there asses. Say you hate gay men and move on.

>>8333
The "yume hate" here comes from a place of yumes constantly being openly hostile towards fujos and wanting to get rid of them even when fujos are simply minding their own business while the fujo hate on Lolcow is the same old whining about fujos being pornsick aiden eggs who are stealing their husbandos away. It's not comparable.

>>8333
I don’t mind the yume hate tbh. And I say this as a fujo who is into both yume and het.

>>8330
>barely show the guy they like
yumeships and games have everything revolved around the guys, making themselves look beautiful is part of the fantasy, It's escapism in the purest form, fujo's male centrism has to do with baseline attraction to men without frills

>>8334
Gross and insensitive response to a post mentioning female rape victims. You can disagree with both parts of what i said normally.

>>8338
There's nothing normal about you or what you said either. Stop saying dumb shit online

>>8319
>>8323
>she nearly trooned out thanks to yaoi
Why is this such a common thing nowadays? Both people actually enabling this (aka the 'MLM made me discover I was trans all along' and people supporting it) and the other side that is 'all fujos are just secretly aidens in the making'.
This wasn't as common in the 2000s, you'd see the occasionally "I wish I were a boy" sure but it's never been about wishing that was you. I'm not an easily influenciable person so I never bought into the tranny grooming propaganda that DOES exist like "ooooo you only like romance between men because you wish you were a man ooooo" but do people genuinely think all women self-insert into anything vaguely romantic by default? I just don't understand it

>>8330
I noticed this when I used DLsite and looked in the women's section for the first time, but almost all of the NL works have these impossibly large breasted women. I couldn't understand it. If you were to self insert, wouldn't you want to read something where the woman has a realistic body?

>>8317
>plot? lore?? World building?? playing Gaem??? appreciating the animation? Who cares le yaois XDDDD!!!1!
Based?? If Riot wanted people to care about all of the above they shouldn't have fired s1 writers during covid, s2 was horrible, other than le yaois and le yuris it had nothing going on for itself. Also it's league of legends we are talking about here.
>>8324
>May god smite americans
Amen to that sister

>>8320
This is why I hate the reputation fujos have in that regard. I'm pretty sure most of the fujotifs are just yumes, as that seems like classic self-insertion behavior. It's basically the same thing as when people use the female lead as their self-insert to ship themselves with their husbando.
>>8327
>They call fujos "male centered" but then self insert as dating an anime man.
I've never understood the "male-centered" argument, and I never will. Fujo communities are the only place online I've found that's almost 100% female. Most of the content is made by women, read or watched by women, and discussed by women. Men hate it, and I've known guys who refuse to engage with it because there's nothing to sexualize (framed as "there are no characters I like") in things like BL games. I don't know how you can make that argument in good faith when it's clear men are indifferent to yaoi at best, and at worst, actively dislike it for not taking their preferences into account. Sometimes, yume stuff or yume-adjacent media feels like it's just as much made for men as it is women (picrel). I know this is an egregious example, but still. It's absurd to act like enjoying stories and characters written by women, for women is being "male centered" when men and their preferences are completely irrelevant to the genre.
>>8333
>the yume hate here and the fujo hate on lc is getting out of hand. Why can't we all just get along.
I agree. I'm not a yume, and I can't understand the appeal of being one (especially when a lot of yume stuff seems to excessively sexualize the female protagonist). However, there are so many other people that annoy me in fandom spaces that I can't be bothered to care about someone crying about if I ship her husbando with another male character. Of course, this kind of comes from a place of privilege because most of my fandoms have very little overlap with yumes. I understand why other nonas get annoyed with them, and I don't think it's wrong for them to do so.

>>8312
As someone who's into kemonomimi content I hate that it's partially been invaded by omegaverse mpreg garbage. Just give me the pheromones or heat cycles without turning one of the guys into a woman.

>>8343
Probably because ever since everyone collectively decided you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans, you get lots of young impressionable teens who get convinced by the internet that just thinking about your gender or having any discomfort about your body means you have to be some flavour of genderspecial. Add autism into the mix and gender becomes their special interest. Then there's the baggage associated with being horny/liking porn as a woman that usually fundie kids will grow up with.
>>8344
>wouldn't you want to read something where the woman has a realistic body?
Maybe the logic is 'men love huge tits' -> 'the bigger my tits, the more irresistable I would be to my husbando'?
>>8337
>yumeships and games have everything revolved around the guys
I always got the impression it revolves more around the woman. It's more about what (You) want, (You) are being pursued, the guy dotes on (You). If I have a husbando, I want to see him being pursued, I want to see another character having to put the effort in to win him over. I don't want to see him fall into some selfinsertchan's lap like an isekai waifu and fawn over her. Probably why the only het I can stomach is femdom that only lewds the guy.
>fujo's male centrism has to do with baseline attraction to men without frills
I know many fujos aren't interested in relationships in real life (or are lesbians who wouldn't date men anyway) so that probably has a lot to do with the difference. I'm in this category, I don't wanna fuck so seeing a male character pursue (You) just gives me intense secondhand cringe.

>>8348
>I know many fujos aren't interested in relationships in real life
I wonder how this works. I'm in the same boat. Said "ew gross" about boys when I was in middle school, still saying it now. No trauma around sex that I can think of.

>>8349
Same here. I just genuinely don't care about dating. I mentioned before in another thread how I don't wanna use the term aroace cause it's not like I care enough to go out and buy pride flag merch but it probably does count as an accurate label.

>>8349
>>8350
I just don't get it, you have to share a room and bed with someone for the rest of your life? You have to share literally everything and all of your time? Miss me with that shit.

>>8351
You reminded me of this tweet kek.

>>8351
And then there's people who have years, decades of their lives wasted by partners who become abusive or things simply don't work out. If I spend years writing fics and making fanart for a fandom I end up falling out of love with, at least my skills are leveled up for the next ship I'll become obsessed with.

>>8346
>However, there are so many other people that annoy me in fandom spaces that I can't be bothered to care about someone crying about if I ship her husbando with another male character. Of course, this kind of comes from a place of privilege because most of my fandoms have very little overlap with yumes.
I never paid attention to yumes until I got into Genshin (inb4 ree genshit yeah I know, I don't play it anymore) years ago because my previous fandoms never had any overlap with husbandofagging. And by god, I never want to share a fandom with these crazies ever again. People who don't know how unhinged and straight up malicious yumes can get are happier being oblivious to them. Most of the worst of the worst mentally ill fujos are yumefujos too so it's become a big fat red flag to me.

>>8344
Every time I browse NL works out of curiosity to see if the genre has had any development, all of them are literally indistinguishable from hentai made for men. It's women with tits and ass inflated to comical proportions and every single panel is just showcasing her body and lingerie. The girls have the most attractive designs and outfits while the men are just… subpar at best. Picrel is literally the top 3 ranking on DL site right now, you can barely see the male characters from behind the huge tits on the naked (you) character.

>>8355
The dragon boy on that first one is cute. Switch his position and state of undress with the woman and I will now play your game.

>>8353
>at least my skills are leveled up for the next ship
In theory yes and I hope for that for you, but I've seen some writers that have been for 2 decades in the game if not more, and havent really improved lel

New thread since this one hit bump limit which is 500 for the newfags
>>8357