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>>10865Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.12793
This is a rant specifically towards blank slate MCs (persona, FE, pokemon, gachashit, etc).
There are MCs that have some hints of personality to them even if they're meant to be glorified self-inserts, but if you go too far off the deep end and just imagine said MC doing shit that has nothing to do with what they are as (barely) a character then what's the point of liking them? Doesn't that mean you just like your OCfied version of them, not the actual character?
I don't know how to explain this properly. I unfortunately have played a lot of games that have blank slate MCs given that they're jrpgs and usually character/MC or MC/character are the most popular ships. Some interpretations of the MC are interesting and still remain canon-adjacent with what little personality they have, but when someone twists that MC to be something completely far off the canon, how does that make it any different from self-inserting?
Do people just by default end up happening to like self-inserting through maleMCs in these MC/Chara - Chara/MC ships? There are some that I've liked, but I've never self-inserted through the MC be it bottom or top. But nowadays, I'm liking blank slate MC ships less and less.
How do nonnas here deal with those types of ships?
No.12794
Some users here are worse than tiktok kids.
Depending on the topic, there's an unwillingness to consider nuance or more than a single meaning.
No.12795
>>12794Hey Vagueposting Queen, give examples.
No.12796
>>12794Is this about
shota?
No.12798
>>12794I wish users here would post less tranny bitching and more what they're reading/watching/shipping, there's only so many times you can state the obvious is bad.
No.12800
>>12798Me too, but I understand why - most fandom spaces will sadly treat any tranny hate or simply questioning as sacrilege, so this is one of the only "safe spaces" where women interested in shipping/fandom culture can say they're sick of trannies without having to worry about being doxxed or targeted by trannies and their supporters.
But even then too much of it gets tiring, and this isn't supposed to be an imageboard dedicated to hating trannies, it's about enjoying BL/yaoi.
No.12801
>>12800I've brought up FFXIV in past threads because they took a perfectly good yaoi set up and keep giving one of them cunts. But it's worse now because one of the lead characters of the current storyline was voiced by a man. With a shitty performance. So if you make any criticism of the game now, you are a transphobe.
All I wanna do is scream because it drives me batty every day.
Also not the anon you're replying to.
No.12802
>>12793Even outside blank slate mcs, there's definitely a lot of fandom favorites and ships who are popular exactly because there's so little to them and everyone goes wild with personal interpretations, headcanons, AUs, etc, and you get the same OC-ification at times too. But then again, you can also get it with more developed characters, it's just more likely to happen with characters that have little to them and when there's a character creator it's even more likely.
In pokemon specifically the most iconic MCs are all from before customization was introduced and it's probably not a coincidence.
No.12805
>>12793I get what you mean. The line can be blurred sometimes because there's some extreme personality changes that could work for me like making a character more yandere than in canon. If the original personality is bland enough I could take it as a side they don't usually show to people and in this case it wouldn't feel like a self insert as much as just the author's fetish and I enjoy it because it's my fetish too.
>>12798You're not wrong. Whenever I see it happening I try to counteract it by posting something positive.
No.12806
>>12800>this is one of the only "safe spaces" where women interested in shipping/fandom culture can say they're sick of trannies without having to worry about being doxxed or targeted by trannies and their supportersThis is why I can't begrudge them too much. Even if you aren't transphobic there is no woke way to say "I am not interested in pussy flavored yaoi". Like I recognize
>>12801 based on what she is talking about and I know if I was excited about a cute male character getting more story spotlight and the fanworks overwhelmingly depicted him as a trans man I would be seething 24/7.
>>12804While I wasn't in the fandom I remember it being really big (I used to beta read a girl's Yuki/Kyo fanfics haha) but I feel like so much of it is simply lost to time.
No.12807
I've been thinking lately that making fujo friends comes with two layers of difficulty because not only do you have to be into the same pairing within a fandom, you have to be into the same top and bottom alignment or have at least one person who's flexible on it. Hell, even then you may still disagree with each other's characterisation.
No.12808
>>12804i was in furuba fandom in the early 2000s and i remember yukikyou being relatively big, but honestly not as big as you might imagine? my time in this fandom was even before the manga was finished, so people were still talking about whether tohru would end up with yuki or kyou. other yaoi ships within the series were much more popular, because the majority of fans at the time were shipping tohru with one of the main boys and fighting over it. i remember from the 2001 anime, yuki and hatsuharu were pretty popular together lmao.
anyway, i feel like much of the yuki and kyou ship works were on old jp websites like fc2web or on livejournal, so basically dead.
No.12818
>>12793I hate blank slate mcs and it's why I hate the plague of gachas. These mcs are never interesting and then I'm cursed seeing a male character I actually like becoming an orbiter for a self insert, which I hate. I don't even like the self insert mcs from jrpgs like Persona or Fire Emblem, but they're even worse in shit like Genshin and Wuwa. No to mention any mc baiting means dealing with yumes who sperg out about fujos because they hate seeing their husbando as gay.
No.12820
It's probably a factor of growing up but proship/antiship permeating online spaces has made fandom not fun anymore. Everything is problematic to someone and that justifies being quartered and hanged apparently. It's petty but I feel schadenfreude seeing the same people who uphold this surveillance state kind of culture onto others cry about it when it happens to them.
No.12821
>>12820This is exactly why I don't bother in fandom spaces anymore outside of small groups of friends. It's so exhausting and not worth it, and COVID made this behavior even worse. I know deep in my heart it will never get better either.
No.12823
Is it me or the hate against fujos is getting worse from yumetards & yuritards?
Sometimes, some straight ship fanarts can came out shitty if female character treating male characters like badly written tsundere shit, what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?
No.12824
>>12823Yeah. Yumetards and yuritards successfully learned the retarded socjus vocab and sense the 'fujos are fetishizers' discourse bubbling up every month so we're prime targets.
No.12825
>>12824>Yumetards and yuritards successfully learned the retarded socjus vocabbecause woke places are the only place where they are not mocked, yuritards are mostly trannies and everybody knows now, and yumetards are known for LADS autism and the morning glory milking farm book, these people cope by venting on us even thou they are the biggest lolcows.
No.12826
>>12823In addition to that, while I wouldn't exactly call it "hate", I've noticed an increase in casual bashing of yaoi/fujos by creators I follow. Light but very frequent "it would be better if it was le epic yuri amirite" type comments. It's gotten annoying enough that I do unfollow and cancel my ko-fi/etc subs (if applicable) when I see it. It just gets the ick all over a person's art.
No.12827
Saw someone saying yaoi men look like women or kids as if 90% of yuri wasn't about schoolgirs. At least there was some yume catching strays because she shipped herself with Ivan from alien stage and everyone knows he's gay. I don't care if someone yumes a gay character but that's for equality. I feel like fujos are the most hated group of women now and it all comes from misinformation and moral signaling but in a womanly way "at least i'm better than those perverted fujoshis" it's just prezented differently than just calling woman a whore
No.12828
>>12827>I feel like fujos are the most hated group of women nowIn all fairness, women who are openly radfems are probably hated more than your average fujoshi who doesn't express radfem views so at least there's that, kek.
No.12830
>>12827>Saw someone saying yaoi men look like women or kidsIn this current era of dorito manhwa men built like brick shithouses?
No.12831
>>12828Im both pf those women, now what?
No.12833
>>12824>fujos are fetishizersOnce you accept this isn't a bad thing their opinions stop mattering. Stop caring what they think, these people do not want you to enjoy yourself.
No.12836
>>12823>what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshit
>>12824>fujos are fetishizersI love fetishizing gay men and will do so for the rest of my life. Literally everyone who consumes romance or porn would be a fetishizer in some way based on this retarded discourse logic though.
>>12827>At least there was some yume catching strays because she shipped herself with Ivan from alien stage and everyone knows he's gayThe real problem is moralfaggotry and people conflating fiction and reality. I stand with the Ivan yume. I'm okay with yumes who send Aoba to gay conversion camp if I never hear about "b-but you are erasing the female characters you misogynist!" ever again.
No.12837
>>12836>I'm okay with yumes who send Aoba to gay conversion camp if I never hear about "b-but you are erasing the female characters you misogynist!" ever again.That's the problem though: they won't stop screeching about no females in BL or your fanart or fics. So until they learn to shut up, I'll call them homophobic gay converters or fetishizers or whatever will get them to cut themselves. I really don't care about them yume'ing gay characters, but because they're so insistent and moralistic, I will throw insults back at them because I am petty and done with being a nice fujo.
I had a hettie bettie gendie try to undermine my ship by claiming one of them was "ace in canon" even though the media the characters are in is highly interpretive. Sure enough I found out she ships the straight ship. I see your agenda, tendie bitch.
No.12838
>>12827>it all comes from misinformation and moral signaling but in a womanly way "at least i'm better than those perverted fujoshis" It's misogyny, plain and simple, those women who do it are the biggest example of misogynistic women, they throw other women under the bus to feel better and to fit in.
No amount of self inserting into anime girls will make them not misogynistic
No.12839
>>12836>Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshitUsually I shipped both BL and Hetships, as long as the shipper respected male character & make the hetship wholesome, I'm used watching 'gender equality' where the male charas grew some balls & fight back against tsundere bitches. Some hetshippers are misandristic, lashing out on male charas, insert herself as fem chara to use him as punching bag, that's someshit I hated actually.
No.12840
>>12837I don't have an inherent issue with yumeshipping and don't want to be hypocritical. I want the internet to be less judgemental and won't contribute to that.
>>12839You can have your own preferences, but there's no moral issue with female characters beating up male characters. Or any characters beating up other characters.
No.12841
>>12840I don't have an issues with the concept of yumes either because most people, me included, have had times where we yume a character and want a relationship/lust after them. However the vitriol fujos are getting is ridiculous and I'm just tired of being thrown under the bus.
Back then Mary Sues were mocked and writers and artists were bullied for it. I cannot help but to wonder what the fandom world between hetties, yumes, and fujos would be like now if girls and women were not bullied over silly, harmless wish fulfillment all those years ago
No.12845
>>12836>what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?>Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshitUsually I get the fictional men vs real men thing but hating men and shipping straight ships makes no sense. it unironically makes more sense to hate men and ship yaoi in a weird way.
>as long as the shipper respected male character & make the hetship wholesomeNot necessarily wholesome but it's always annoying to see an angry man and an angry woman being romantically involved, because it always ends with the male being forced to take the shit because he is madly in love or some other excuses, while people pretend the woman is saint and at the same time spit fire on any other woman in the same story.
No.12849
>>12837>So until they learn to shut up, I'll call them homophobic gay converters or fetishizers or whatever will get them to cut themselves.I've been trying to figure out how to do something similar: effectively calling them racist for shitting on a genre pioneered by asian women.
No.12858
>>12857Gay robots too niche even for this board. tl:dr: fan couple made canon in a comic run only fans of their ship read (saw on tumblr and did not buy the comic) and in a new universe, they're back with less substance than ever!
No.12859
>>12858>gay robotsNow you've got me curious.
No.12861
Sometimes I feel like another person in a fandom has done everything there is to do with a pair and there's no reason for me to even create anything because of the sheer number of works they've contributed. I don't know how people in those large decade-spanning fandoms do it.
No.12863
>>12861Sometimes a fic comes along 20 years later and supercharges a new meta for better or worse (like All The Young Dudes). Some fandoms are so large a writer might not even know they have essentially rewritten an old fic beat by beat. Also, to be a hater: sometimes it feels like they've done everything there is to do with a pair BUT actually be in the canon setting. :^)
>>12856I'm so sorry anon.
No.12865
>>12858>fan couple made canon in a comic runIs this a western property? I feel like western works tend to look at fan reception of things a lot more to directly pander to shippers and fans if the fans are extremely vocal about it. It doesn't happen at all in japanese works but I've seen it happen time and time again whenever I hear anything about a cartoon or a western thing
No.12870
>>12869If this is about the project hail mary movie, I know nothing about it but I've seen more Ryan Gosling/rock yaoi on my tl than anything else, rejoice nonna
No.12872
>>12869>>12871I got nothing against crack ships but it's really disappointing that the biggest ship is Ryan Gosling/Markiplier (I enjoyed Iron Lung but I couldn't see him as Simon, he was just Markiplier to me. Gosling I was able to see as Grace, as an actual character). Grace and Rocky have such a sweet relationship,
the scene where Grace almost dies and Rocky sacrifices himself to save him, that really made by doomed yaoi radar go off. I really see them as soulmates, so for most fans to just wanna see attractive guy x attractive guy instead of actually shipping based on dynamics really sours the fandom for me. I guess a lot of people see Rocky more as a wacky pet more than an actual character with complex emotions? Which is ironic because Rocky is much more qualified and smart than Grace for the mission, if anything Grace is the pet.
No.12873
>>12870>>12872I've seen a lot of him and the rock so I almost want to watch it just for the ship since non-human x human is my guilty pleasure.
No.12903
>>12869>>12872I went into that movie thinking it'd be just a fun flick and came out obsessed with gracerocky. But. Maybe it's just me but I'm having a hard time finding the actual fujos in between all the hetshit and the "aroace" shit. The Markiplier crossover shipping I think is coming from fans of Iron Lung first because there's no one to really ship Simon with and I know he gets a bad ending so the crossover ships might be for the benefit of that character's fans.
Worse to me is trying to find gracerocky anything while avoiding the other ships and the "it should be only shipped as platonic, you sickos" people. I haven't been on tumblr in years so I couldn't believe it when I saw all the hate for the ship. And there's so much Ryland Grace X reader in there. There's also a lot of shipping him with Stratt, which I don't care for, and a lot of threesome content with Adrian, who I also don't give a shit about because they're basically a fanon OC. I know a lot of people love shared fanon OCs but I find them boring and I never really like threesome ships unless I really like all three characters, which is hard to achieve here one of these characters isn't even a character present in the movie. Trying to find actual gracerocky content that isn't tagged with some lecture about respecting platonic friendship. It's sad how even a ship with a talking alien rock generated the same type of anti yaoi discourse I see in other fandoms.
No.12923
>>12903No I am too, there's a bunch of art for them don't get me wrong (#Grace and Rocky is trending rn on tumblr lol) but it's a lot of people using coupley templates/memes/jokes but refusing to commit by not tagging it or being like "Wow their FRIENDSHIP is so inspiring" and they'll be cuddling while Adrian's positioned like a cuck kek. And ah I didn't know that context but that makes sense, still would be actually funny if they brought back Septiplier and shipped JackSepticEye with Simon instead KEK. In fact he's also directing a movie apparently (idk if he's acting in it) so I expect something of the sort to occur.
And yeahhh, people tend to not tag Adrian x Rocky since it's canon which is annoying. I know it was crazy to me too, literally the performative monsterfucker website. Sorry Rocky doesn't have human skin and two arms and two legs! And yeah a lot of projecting/simping over Ryland, this is funnily maybe the one fandom I've seen recently that wasn't made to cater to yumes but it did and now they're more accepted than fujos kek. And I feel the same way about Adrian,
I wish we got some kind of substance to their relationship at least, because in the books Rocky thinks he may have moved on despite 40 years only being the equivalent of our 5 years of their lifespan. It could've been an oversight but that doesn't sound like a really secure relationship and then the ending is just "Hey we're still together" and ZERO indication of if it was affected at all. But yeah he's uninteresting because people just make him pretty bland and I have no idea why people decided to give him and Rocky seme/uke proportions when the wiki says Eridians are mostly uniform in size… But yeah idk why people are so pressed I guarantee most of the fanartists ship it, they just want to lay it low so it's ship art all but in name. And yeah it is crazy, none of the typical discourse applies, but people are still inventing shit I saw someone get mad Carl (who btw isn't even in the book he's an og character for the film) and Grace wasn't a bigger ship compared to Stratt & Rocky kek.
No.12940
>>12923I keep seeing enough "this is platonic" or the worse "queerplatonic". Tumblr must have changed because I can't find any of the monsterfuckers at all. I hate how the "aroace" stuff took over because that's the only explanation for a male character who doesn't get with a woman in canon and now is used as an reason to talk about how wrong and dirty sex is, and that "being besties" is actually queer.
As for Adrian, yeah I don't care and the people making it into the usual hetero relationship annoy me, but even if Adrian is going by "he" I still don't care about a character who never actually shows up in the book or movie. It feels like another relationship that exists so no one thinks the leads are gay for each other or anything. Sue me for finding gracerocky more interesting than a glorified OC. It's practically impossible for me to find content without people making it poly.
Tldr I am salty because this was the most interesting different dynamic I saw this year but there is just so much stuff I keep seeing that I hate, like the "its better platonic or its aphobic" people, the reader fics, the shoehorned in ot3 when something is tagged as gracerocky and I'm mad about it. I saw a tweet saying "gracerocky isn't yaoi" but it sure as fuck feels like it's getting no homoed like one.
No.12944
Hetfags have a victim complex about the fandom popularity of m/m. You aren't starving if you want to see a handsome man spoil a beautiful smart woman who may or may not be you.
No.12945
>>12944Found something juicy, a hetshipper argued with another hetshipper who ship the same hetshit while claimed other ship hetslop.
Found it on Twitter as usual.
No.12946
>>12945Reddits are way wokeshit than recent twitter, she bitched how sexualized majority of anime female characters and reduced to 'nothing but revolve to man she loved' and 'MUH SEXISM, HARMFUL TO WOMEN' instead of growing thick skin and move on, what a dumb bitch.
Reddit chuds just laughed at her while other one called out her hypocrisy and superiority complex over ship 'MUH NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS HETSHIP IS BETTER THAN YER HETSLOP!!'.
Glad I stayed in BL fandom who were chill, joking, making fanarts and just minding their own business, rare time where redditors being sensible that she deleted her shitty, whiny sjw post. Man, hetshipper like that is so dramatic.
No.12957
>>12823>>12824Yume especially opened the door for more hate towards fujoshi. We used to be separate and yumes would stick to their own reader fic circles but now they're everywhere and I believe that gachaslop like Hoyo and Lads made it worse. Lads banning BL from even being allowed by fans was a first I've ever seen, and now yumes are emboldened by that because they can use their gacha spending power. I'm now team "fuck yumes" because they're always spreading shit on fujos. They team up with actual incels and himejoshis too. Fujos are at the bottom of the food chain in fandom because people are jealous at how good we are at feeding ourselves with fanfic, while most of media already caters to everyone else. Yumes can partner with himejoshis want to want to attack fujos for "misogyny", and they team up with incels in gacha game spaces when they want to say that any game that doesn't have characters being in love with the mc is bad. Even if all women are shit on in fandom, yumes are fine with throwing fujos under the bus for the crime of "cucking" them.
>>12945These retards really think men being "sexualized" in yaoi is the same thing as sexualized female characters. Only one gender is oppressed by fanservice and it's not men.
No.12958
>>12957Men and femcels can have hentai, yume and yuri but fujos only liking yaoi is demonized and they were entitled to bully fujos
Men had been bullied fujos for years and it's getting worse for yumetards, woketards and yuritards to bully fujos nearly to social suicide. There's barely yaoi in tumblr.
I miss back then when yumetards were bullied for having mary sue self-inserts.
When will stupid incel simps and yumetards ever minding their own business, not shitting on fujos?
No.12959
>>12945 Anytime hetship shippers are at each other's throat, they always had to bring yaoi.
Usually hetshippers were the one causing ship war due to their superiority complex while looking down on fujos.
No.12960
>>12836>I love fetishizing gay menYou do that. I will keep fetishizing fictional characters because they're unlike actual people (attractive and/or interesting).
>>12845>hating men and shipping straight ships makes no sense.A lot of het men hate women. Most hentais are made by men who hate a waifu they still fap to. Some gays get off on destroying other gays, etc. You can hate whatever you're attracted to, regardless of your gender and sexuality. It's a bit miserable, but humans are contradictory and dumb. Toxic relationships are fine in themselves and it's when it's portrayed as romantic or deserved that problems arise. The problem is unintentional abusive romance and unchecked sadists/wannabe doms.
No.12961
>>12865>It doesn't happen at all in japanese worksNta.It can happen where shipping or waifus/husbandos are concerned, but it usually keeps a character locked out of any relationships that don't involve a bland player self-insert or isn't the husbando they follow like a shadow. Otakus can be a nasty bunch, and you have mangas and games that rely entirely on fan service (ex: Fairy Tail, gatchas, harem shit…) and attract the worst social outcasts. Any story/system that heavily focuses on relationships is walking a thin line and are aware of their fanbase.
I don't remember which Tales Of game created a meltdown because the first female character you get in the party ends up being a guest character and not the love interest. "First girl win" being basic shonen logic, apparently. The company had to do so much damage control, forced another female character's VA to apologize (for "stealing" the heroine role), and extended the "cheated" girl role in the anime so everyone else could complain about how boring of a princess Mary Sue she was.
No.12963
>>12833I agree, and you can say that, but the point of them saying that goes so far beyond 'these people do not want you to enjoy yourself'. They want to associate you with a social crime.
'Fujos are fetishizers who engage in the objectification of gay men' is just 'fujos are homophobic'.
'Just ignore them' doesn't work because the point is associate fujoshi with an evil 'social crime' like homophobia so they can eventually justify misogyny towards fujoshi. In the same way they associate JKR with the social crime of 'transphobia' so they can justify threats of violence against her.
I feel bad for fujoshi TIFs he/theys because they recognize this on some level and attempt to justify and protect themselves from misogyny for the crime of being fujoshi by trooning.
No.12967
>>12961To set the record straight on the Tales of debacle (it was Zestiria), the 'replacement' girl (Rose) was a bigger Mary Sue than 'first girl' (Alicia) could ever hope to be. The producer of the game, Hideo Baba, was massively in love with Rose's VA, so it's widely assumed he forced the character for the sake of his 3D waifu. Regardless of whether this is true or not, the fact remains that all the promotional materials up until the game's release heavily featured Alicia, so to have her be essentially a side character felt like a huge rug pull.
Forcing the VA to apologize to angry fans was thoroughly shitty, but thankfully JP was smart enough to blame Baba, and not the VA.
No.12972
>>12967>it's widely assumedThat's the thing. It doesn't even matter if that girl is a bigger Mary Sue or if another was a red herring because the plan was to reveal a "better" girl later on. Or that the producer had his lover dub his waifu. I doubt it's rare in this industry. The meltdown was pure incels' and maybe yume's rhetoric and wasn't justified. Imagine fans doing that in 97 because Aerith dies and Tifa becomes the main girl. Japan is not above it all, and this kind of modern drama and overreaction is taken into account in the way characters are written today.
No.12973
>>12972>and this kind of modern drama and overreaction is taken into account in the way characters are written today.You just reminded me that something like this made me boycott Xenoblade 3.
No.12978
>>12963I stopped going to radfem spaces because they hated fujos. You know same old fetishizer argument. Right now there's a trend calling ftm agp (over yaoi too) to push back against calling mtf agps. They will never escape misogyny even in their own spaces.
No.12988
>>12961Wasn't there also a huge drama because some JP otome account tweeted a joke about some fake game with multiple routes some including BL and yumes flipped? They've gotten way more insane. The lack of actual pandering to fujos in anime and games now has a lot to do with it. We functionally "lost", at least for now.
>>12963We tried just "ignoring it" for a long time too. People kept writing academic articles, linking studies, all trying to explain. It doesn't stop the people who hate fujos and who want it to stop because there's so many overlapping groups of people who hate fujos and m/m shipping.
No.13011
>>13010They hated anon because she told them the truth.
No.13012
>>13010Lol, how many of them are angry TIFs?
No.13014
>>13013>why the actual fuck WOULDN'T it mean vagina if they're going to have sex? What they're going to give him a cloaca or some shit?LMFAO, how do you forget that butt sex exists when looking at yaoi? And there's nothing wrong with finding vaginas disgusting, it's called having a sexual orientation. These people blow my mind lmao
No.13015
>>13013Accusations of transphobia lose more and more impact every day. It's basically a badge of honor nowadays.
No.13017
>>13013man what happened to gen z women?
to see the term "cuntboy" or even "girldick" and genuinely think there is nothing wrong with that.
No.13018
>>13015I wish wider fandom stopped giving a fuck about being labeled as "transphobes." I pray for the day I will eventually see people posting things like "remember when we went along with men saying they were women and vice versa and using terms like 'boycunt' and 'girldick', wtf was up with that"
No.13019
>>13018Growing up, there were s o many pickme's who tripped over their own feet trying to please men.
But like after 2016?
Women now are trying to pick any color out of the new pronoun rainbow to be anything but cis and straight, falling over themselves to please Mtf feewings and Ftm ""men""
No.13020
>>13019We went from "I'm not like other girls" to "I'm not a girl at all." It's misogyny all the same
No.13021
>>13013Gendies never beating the "I don't know how genitalia works" allegations. The vagina is not analogous to the dick at all.
No.13022
>>13013lots of gays find vaginas disgusting, isn't it homophobic to draw gays fuck vaginas?
No.13023
>>13014The funny thing is I never called vaginas disgusting at all, I only said cuntboy is disgusting.
No.13024
>>13022Not if the "vagina-owner" identifies as a man, then the gay is "transphobic" for not wanting pussy
>>13023Lol, that makes their anger funnier to me
No.13025
>>13013Is this a monsterboy? I can't think of one where vagina would be assumed default except maybe angels or any other creature known to be hermaphroditic. If it's a boy based on an animal that has a cloaca then that WOULD make more sense than a human vag.
In any case it's ridiculous that some people can't wrap their heads around not everyone finding vags hot or wanting to read about them. Or at least on men specifically. I guess we are now experiencing the same frustration as the minority(?) of futa disliking male yuribros… Maybe it's some kind of sad inevitability that gay smut created by the opposite sex of the characters ends up devolving into genital-bending to make it more relatable to them.
No.13028
>>13013>Why the actual fuck wouldn't it mean vagina if they're going to have sexI really believe that cuntboyfags either simply find anal "nasty" or they're subtly unsubtly homophobic like "only a man an a woman can have sex" disguised as woke
No.13029
>>13028There's also the third option.
Opposing genitalia fetish.
But it is along the same thinking as futa. Futa got its roots in being blatantly for men and about self insertion and wasn't related to transness, ever. Cuntboy got yoinked by TIFs and it went downhill.
No.13030
>>13028The way they talk about their 'bonus hole' makes me think it's a combination of both. Tifs are notoriously homophobic.
No.13031
I wish it was acceptable to be an anti het hardliner like yurifags. The presence of het in the source always kills any fujo shipping because you have to hear about how its misogyny to not ship it. More annoying is people trying to force it as poly ot3.
No.13033
>>13031>misogyny to not ship itIt's funny how it's actually the opposite, like how they can't comprehend the existence of a female character without shipping her?
Imo it's just non-sharing yumes in denial, because this possessiveness over the male character is usually because they want him for their self inserts, they never get angry if the female character is shipped with other male characters, they get angry if the guy they like gets shipped.
No.13034
>>13031>because you have to hear about how its misogyny to not ship it>people trying to force it as poly ot3.I hate that so much. No retards, that doesn't solve anything and is usually crazy out of character for at least one of them. And just because I don't care for the het ship or even the female character, doesn't mean I hate women. I just don't mesh with her, jfc. It's like they're so offended that you don't give a shit about their hetcoom or that you faggify the male character.
>>13033>like how they can't comprehend the existence of a female character without shipping her?That's an excellent point. Why does the woman have to exist in the presence of a love interest? Can't she be on her own or have her own agency? It's an issue I currently have with a female character from a game I like, but a lot of people ape the fuck out if you express your dislike.
No.13035
>>13031>>13033>>13034There are definitely still people who hate het, and there are definitely some that still prefer for a female character to exist without shipping.
The problem itself lies in hating *the* female character itself. You can hate her hetship, you can dislike her forced hetness, but you can't dislike her. For X or Y reasons, you can't dislike a female character simply just because.
That's how you get people saying "oh she's a lesbian" or "I'll ship her with (random other character) instead" or "they're T4T actually" (in the case of a hetship).
Like, think about it for a second. Anti-sakurafagging like it once used to exist would not be possible in this current climate. You may simply dislike a female character because you straight up don't fucking like her, but this is unnaceptable. WHY don't you like her? That's the "misogyny"
No.13036
Not entirely just a fujo thing but I'm pretty tired of male characters being presumed to be "basically women/too feminine" for basic ass anime behavior when written by a woman.
A man who is pretty, cooks, enjoys feminine hobbies? Written by a man, its just some guy that men self insert into. Men cook, who gives a fuck.
A man who swings his dick around, is hardboiled, curses, is jacked af and uses violence? Written by a woman? No man like that exists! He's too handsome, women can't write men at all!
Its all just so blatant.
No.13037
>>13035>Anti-sakurafagging like it once used to exist would not be possible in this current climate.Sign that fandoms became terrible number 19824385930734.
No.13038
>>13037Tbf this was also done by men & women which is probably why it was socially acceptable. Even now there are many fandoms that are majority male that are able to openly dislike one of the female characters for no reason other than being annoyed by them esp if they're not the "waifu" that wins the MC.
No.13039
>>13038Yeah, women hated Sakura because she got in the way of the yaoi. Men hated Sakura because she was a flat chested nag who wouldn't date Naruto even though he had a crush on her. In female fic, Sakura either doesn't exist or she's a bit part only there to cheat on Sasuke so he rebounds to Naruto. In male fic, she dies horribly and Naruto gets a harem. I mean, look at Marvel Thunderbolts or the reaction to Captain Marvel in the male dominated comic fandom. They hate female characters with abandon. Only fujos get criticism when they don't include female characters at all.
No.13040
>>13035Elita-1 being pink means you may swap her name with Sakura and nothing changes. Because this is very relevant in the Transformers online fandom.
She's Optimus Prime's canon love interest in a multitude of continuities but even when she isn't, they will somehow claim she and Optimus are t4t and it's yuri actually. Another irony is that no one ever wants to try to make her male, despite having the creative freedom to give them any parts that they want for yaoi. Her body in the latest series is 1:1 a male bot's body. There are canon examples in the comic of a male bot being made female, so by that logic, a female bot can just be a guy. There is nothing stopping them from just making m/m dick sucking yaoi robots or just f/f.
No.13041
>>13035>You may simply dislike a female character because you straight up don't fucking like her, but this is unnaceptable. We need to go back to hating a character hust because. I don’t need to explain to anyone why I don't like a female character and love another. Sometimes you just don't someone and that's okay. At this point, idgaf if that makes me a misogynist anymore. Will you let me hate that bitch in peace if I take that forced badge?
No.13042
>>13035It kinda of makes sense why people dislike the hetship if they dislike the female character in it, like plenty of fujos have bl ships they dislike because the male character they don't like is in it.
Think about Wolfram x Yuuri for example.
If you don't like a character it's no surprise you don't like any ships with that character.
No.13043
>>13042also in the same vein we never see female characters that are actually likeable like Maya Fey from Ace attorney or Nanami from DanganRonpa being disliked by many people, even if they are shipped with the guys, people don't mind the het ships if the characters are good.
No.13049
>>13035Whatever i just want girls to be able to like a yaoi ship without being accused of misogyny, fetishization and whatever by girls with superiority complex. It's basically bullying but "woke" and circles back to misogyny.
No.13051
>>13035Proud to openly hate Sakura and Kairi too.
>>13041Yeah what is up with requiring a reason to dislike a fictional character. I can dislike the best written female characters in the world without needing a justification. It's like someone crying that someone else is playing with the Naruto and Sasuke dolls instead of the Sakura doll. Who the fuck cares.
Lame female characters are lame, not sorry! It is not my job to care about or fix them in fanfiction. I don't care if they are THE GIRL either. If the female character's job is to be THE GIRL in the first place, that's probably a sign the character is going to be boring anyways, and that the show/media sucks at writing women. So maybe get angry at the show/media itself or watch something else. If the show/media is just a cast full of guys, it's stupid to get angry at fujos then for ignoring a side female character.
No.13053
>>13052>hermionewa? why? she gets with Ron? Isn't Harry and Malfoy the main gay ship?
No.13056
>>13053Whoever made that just put random female characters because I've never seen fujos hate Yachi or Nancy either. And Nezuko. And Nobara. lel
No.13057
>>13052>>13056Right, I like Yachi. She had no forced romance with any of the boys which I found refreshing, she was just chilling
No.13058
>>13039>or she's a bit part only there to cheat on Sasuke so he rebounds to NarutoDo people really do this? Even as a non-Narutofag I know that Sasuke would likely not give a single shit if Sakura was having an affair. If you care that much about avoiding Naruto and Sasuke cheating on their wives then make Sakura and Hinata grow some self worth, find new guys and divorce before they do anything.
No.13059
>>13056I've seen some people hate Nobara simply for the fanservice / big boobs or the "sexualization" she gets. But that's not inherently the fault of the character itself. That said she can be hated regardless either way
No.13061
>>13059I can't think of any fanservice scene with Nobara. I wonder what the thought process is in that case because she acts, dresses and looks like a regular teenage girl. I've seen more people hating her for
not dying, coming back after a coma and stealing Yuji's spotlight at the end of the manga despite a character foreshadowing that she could recover and come back just a few pages after she passed out. But these people hated her in a normal way and some even joked that
she was put in a coma and kicked out of the manga for half of the story because she was getting in between Gege shipping itafushi.
No.13062
>>13060I'm almost 100% sure that this comes from yumes trying to use social pressure to get fujos to draw art for their ship.
No.13063
>>13052>Who hates Nene though? Me, she ruins the superior BL ship and I dropped the manga because of her. I never saw anyone else hate her though
sadly. I even got blocked when I told someone I don't like her kek.
No.13064
>>13063Twincest? Or Kou x Hanako?
No.13065
>>13033Right? I'd say there's plenty of female characters that I like on their own, and I simply dislike their het ship. But these hetties/yumes/whatever believe the only way for a female character to be happy is to become a tradwife for the mc, and they can't comprehend people seeing her as anything other than that or liking her other qualities. Pairing her up with another girl is no good either, because in that case you're just trying to get her "out of the way" and they don't believe it's possible to genuinely enjoy a ship between two girls while also liking the m/m ship.
>>13043Chiaki isn't a good example to use here, not only is her ship with Hinata the definition of hetslop, she's also really fucking boring, written with no flaws, made to be a perfect gamer waifu. The game also tries too hard to make you feel bad for her, because she's so nice and innocent and kind, and she soo doesn't deserve what happens to her. Maybe it's just me, but this kind of thing usually has the opposite effect on me and ends up making me dislike a character instead. But I'd feel this way towards her even if there wasn't a "rival" yaoi ship. If we're talking about danganronpa, then Kyoko is a better example of a female character that's not hated for being a part of a het ship as she's genuinely likeable and not too badly written.
No.13067
>>13065I think it's also funny when yumes/hetties get angry over a shipping a different het pairing, especially the ones who don't make up an oc. They get angry / uncomfortable over a het pairing involving the fmc and a younger male character in my fandom over the much more popular pairing with a older masculine man. Some will even moralfag and say it's wrong to ship them because the fmc has a motherly relationship to the younger male character kek.
No.13071
>>13064I also liked Kou/Hanako more than Kou/Mitsuba but it didn't make me hate Nene. Her design is top tier cute and I like her character too.
Genuinely hate Tsukasa and his whole character type though. Not enough to make me drop the manga but he's definitely a stain on it for me.
No.13077
>>13036They're always trying to use troon logic and it's either to stealthily make a bl ship into a hetero one, or because they think joseimuke properties need to be more "inclusive". Look at the Tsubakino from Windbreaker, Arashi from Enstars, Vil from Twisted Wonderland, and Kinosaki from Marriagetoxin.
>>13052These memes make sense when you realize they think indifference or "not writing enough fic of her with a male character" is "hatred". It's not enough to not bash her, it's hating her if you don't give her the man she wants.
No.13081
>>13071>>13075I like Tsukasa/Amane… I love twincest but I'd ship them even if they weren't related because Tsukasa is the cutest. I would take Kou/Hanako over Nene too. Disappointed yet again that even my dear fujosisters on fc like hetshit better. Not only do people love Nene now they hate Tsukasa too. I'm sad.
No.13082
>>13031The "you hate this female character, so you're a misogynist" will never not be stupid. Are you a misandrist for hating a male character? Do female characters written by men really count as female? Do these animu characters behave like actual people for you??
It's an "argument" and "debate" by and for retards or crazy people with a not-subtle agenda.
No.13084
>>13081You're not getting any reward for being a goldstar fujo kek
No.13085
>>13081I also like Tsukasa/Amane and don't care about Amane/Nene at all.
No.13087
>>13067That reminds me in reddit woketard how one hetship is hetslop while her hetship is wholesome, fujos in that fandom were chill and minding their own business and sursprisingly yumes there were chill, it's reddit hetsloppers & yuritards are dramatic and nearly caused ship war.
Wanna know the fandom, it's Record of Ragnarok, one of safe comfort zone for fujos but better not stumble to subreddit one, many hetsloppers were there.
No.13088
>>13082Those simps and wokes never able to distinguish reality and fiction
You can dislike characters regardless of gender without bringing sexism, sometimes I dislike some male characters because I simply don't like them, not because they're guys.
Same goes for female characters, nowadays you can get away hating, criticizing male characters, both well and badly written, people dgaf but when it comes to their 'Slay Queen Waifus' getting criticized, incels and femcels shit themselves and calling everyone misogynistic pricks.
No.13089
>>13081I don't see what would make someone hate Nene unless they really dislike her specific personality traits or hate big foreheads or something. I don't automatically hate a female character just for getting in the way of a ship. It takes more than that for me, usually the fans of the actual character hating on my ship or being obnoxious in some way.
Tsukasa is a love it or hate it type of character. He's the lolrandom psycho type of villain who 13 year old edgelords with BPD will overidentify with and sucks all the life out of the fandom with endless debates over whether he's an irredeemable sociopath or a poor misunderstood little meow meow. To me he's annoying and I don't like shota/shota or shota twincest 99% of the time. Also don't like sudden twin reveal plot twists, so yeah. I can appreciate the badtouch but that's about it. But I get it, if you like dark/toxic BL stories and wish that was the main ship/plot then you will probably not like the main mc for existing I guess.
No.13091
>>13088It's also funny how nobody remembers the biggest ship wars between het ships like the famous Rukia vs Orihime, Asuka vs Rei or more recently on much a small scale Kana vs Akane?
And it was most of the time just based on ships, they didn't need to write an essay on why they disliked the other character.
No.13092
>>13091Rukia v Orihime was so funny because I remember a common tag for Ichiruki being like "Ichigo remembers Rukia EXISTS". There was also Sakura v Hinata and Ginny v Hermione. I can't think of any "classic" m/m shipwars (although I can think of recent ones that cranked it up in ways hets of the past never did).
>Asuka vs Rei Having
Mari and Keisuke come in and nuke that was so funny I can't even be mad.
No.13095
>>13027I ended up caving and making a Twitter, kek. Although it does show me some nice art, I've ultimately been struggling a bit fine tuning my algorithm. A million cutesy pictures of my favourite anime boys but very little actual yaoi, and almost no dead dove content. Still, I'm happy with it.
As an oldhead tumblrfag, I'm still struggling a bit with the website etiquette. How often to like, how often to share, how often to follow— but honestly, I might just be overthinking it. Either way, it's still the closest thing I had to my ideal experience in years and I feel kind of dumb for putting it off for so long, lol
No.13096
>>13095the muted words feature is a huge appeal of twitter for me (seeing as how pixiv limits it) I follow a lot of the same artists on both pixiv and twitter. there’s a following tab too if you don’t want to deal with the algorithm
No.13097
In truth i'm a fujoshi and a misandrist in terfy way. I don't mind ftm, i mind mtf. I don't care about pronouns as long as it's a woman, female. I don't care about fetishization in yaoi. I think the notion that yaoi is misogynistic is only true because of internalized misogyny. I think radfems were the ones who started "yaoi is misogynistic" claim and it got popularized by yumes who wanted to feel superior (even though they also support misogynistic tropes and like to feel stereotypically feminine with their husbandos). I just don't care let women like what they like and be what they believe even if it's a little delulu. That makes me misandrist sex essentalist or gender abolitionist. Enough of that I just want anime boys to kiss like playing dollhouse
No.13098
If only official manga/anime allowed male lead to be openly gay/bi, his main rival is also his love interest, some males are bi and had badass gay harem
If Arcane, Chainsaw Man allowed to have badass lesbians, how about badass gays who viewers dgaf who he fucks but homophobic incels would hate it -_-
Thing I hate about men is shitting on yaoi, canon gay/bi male characters but jacked off to hot lesbians and female protagonists allowed to be bi or les
No.13100
>>13098My dream BL is just a really popular long-running shonen that ends with the ship I like being canon. Half for the validation, half for the tears. I've never, ever had a ship I was insane about be explicitly canon, not even the het or f/f ones.
No.13103
Being both a fujo and "terfy" is very weird. On one hand, most BL fans are very obnoxiously "woke" but on the other hand, radfems think yaoi is anti-woman propaganda.
I wish there were more places where women don't feel the need to constantly tone police each other to death. Oh no, I look at pictures of fictional men taking it up the butt AND I laugh at dumb trannies on the internet, I guess nobody from either camp wants to associate with me anymore. I don't spend time in male-dominated spaces but are they like this too? I like being in female spaces except when it comes to this need to treat certain subtypes of women as pariahs. Or maybe it works like this in every single social group and I'm just autistic.
No.13104
>>13098>>13100plot-heavy BL and fujobait like that just gets labeled as BL anyways and put in a non-shounen mag. when there is a fujobait or canon homo in a shounen magazine it still has a majority female audience. the specific magazine label doesn’t matter in my opinion because the content will be the same. (ex: kyo kara maoh has the typical isekai harem like a shounen but genderswapped so it of course gets put in a shoujo mag but the writing is still the same). Is the element of surprise important to you for shipping? like does the homo element being unexpected make it better for you? Would you rather the homo be a rugpull or built up like a typical romance? (which would earn it a plot-BL label anyways)
No.13105
>>13103>I don't spend time in male-dominated spaces but are they like this too?Nope, although it tends to be the inverse if anything where it's mostly seething at trannies even more so if it's a heavy female-only media (which means it has a bunch of yurifags or MtF trannies that use it to self-insert).
But that's the thing, moids don't need to constantly censor themselves. They can be unapologetically insulting and some people may say shit but not enough care.
Women care too much about fandom image, you can't even say retard without someone eventually bringing it up and ruining your reputation in one go. You made content of a ship I don't like and I want you to disappear? I'll mention how much of a fucking ableist chud girl you are that says the "hard R" that'll show you!
(But the worst part is that it does indeed work)
No.13108
>>13103>I don't spend time in male-dominated spaces but are they like this tooMoids don't care about virtue signalling or any of typical moralfaggotry you see in female spaces. Depending on who you associate with (i.e. non-culture war obsessed lolifags that are "cultured" on animanga), the conversations to be had over there are actually nice but it can never substitute the joy of sperging out over a ship with another fujo sadly.
I've also interacted with seemingly zero limit, edgy proshipfags but they always draw the line at hating on trannies. Shitting on homos, women, and even racial jokes are fine but if you dare say anything slightly negative about troons
and even cuntboy tbh you're literally Hitler to them. It's strange because you can mention being a frequent channer and they won't care (some even larp as imageboard users) but LC/CC are irredeemable to them because le terfs.
No.13109
Nonnas weren't kidding about the Project Hail Mary fandom. I see Japanese fujo artists drawing cute stuff but the Western fandom is so full of unbearable "aroace" and "queerplatonic" crap. I hope this is a safe space to talk about how much bullshit the current "aroace" movement is. A lot of it feels like people who are uncomfortable about sex and still want to write romantic interactions but just call it "queerplatonic" to not get called out.
I really don't care about Adrian though. I always hate whenever a story has a "bromance" bond and fandom keeps adding the canon partner I don't care about. I don't want a throuple, I want to ship the characters I spent most of the movie with. A relationship just being canon doesn't mean I care about it when a character is offscreen. It's bad enough people try the usual anti yaoi talking points about why would you ruin a platonic bond between "bros" and trying to make Adrian a "wife". But even if it was gay I still wouldn't care about Rocky/Adrian. I'm tired of being expected to care about a character who's mostly headcanon in my shipping. I just want to find the freaks.
No.13110
>>13109You lost me at Adrien.
I mute all accounts that try to push some anti-cis male shit onto Grace. But, I like Adrien for existing as she does. She gives context to relationships and how long one could thrive. However, people seem to be incapable of understanding relationships where someone's partner encourages breaks or seeing other people.
Adrien, as a long living alien with no appearance or personality to reference, can be anything. And I would think if she was able to accept the mission and what it meant- she can accept her mate having his human for however many years. It's a non-issue born from people with such a pitiful scope of relationship dynamics that don't adhere to what they think romance is meant to be.
I love Grace and Rocky, but, I also wish people would stop humanizing him and leave him as a freaky rock.
No.13112
>>13110>people seem to be incapable of understanding relationships where someone's partner encourages breaks or seeing other peopleIt’s not that they “don’t understand” it’s that they’re just not interested. you can like whatever you want but you shouldn’t act like open relationships and polyamory are “enlightened” or whatever.
No.13113
>>13110>stop humanizing himNta but this is where you lost me… Idk if they show it in the film but at the end of the book he and Grace can communicate with each other will full understanding of each other's grammar and Grace has adapted to Eridian culture and even thinks in their time and can "speak" Eridian (using an instrument). I don't like Adrian but my ideal future is where Grace has a pseudoromantic relationship (from a human POV) with Rocky and he continues being mates with Adrian. So is it technically infidelity? Yes but neither Rocky nor Adrian pick up on it and Grace is so attached to Rocky he doesn't tell him either. Also was it just me that saw Adrian as a guy? Ik they're all hermaphrodites but still.
No.13114
>>13103You always have us nonnie
No.13115
>>13113Yeah I took Adrian as a guy too. Its a guy name and its also a rock so I dont think it matters too much.
No.13116
>>13113I meant literal humanization version of him.
Also maybe I misremembered, but I thought Rocky called Adrian a she. But as
>>13115 claims, it's the name doing the lifting.
No.13117
>>13112>you shouldn’t act like open relationships and polyamory are “enlightened” or whatever.Where did I say that it was enlightened? These are alien rocks. I do not think their mate status conforms to human lifespans or habits. And aliens could have alien relationships. It's not poly to recognize your rock husband picked up some space freak and let him have his fun. If someone asks where Adrian is in a comment, just say "the mate rock is on holiday right now." The end. It is a non-issue for the simple fact that they do not need to conform to anything except hugs, kisses, and maybe figure out a way to use that mouth thing Rocky has.
No.13119
>>13111Ur into feathers nonna ?
No.13120
>>13097>I don't care about fetishization in yaoi. I think the notion that yaoi is misogynistic is only true because of internalized misogyny. I think radfems were the ones who started "yaoi is misogynistic" claim and it got popularized by yumes But girls wanting to read and indulge in male characters only (aka yaoi) is not misogynistic, it's straightness, or at very least attraction towards fictional males.
Moids who play games like kancolle or uma musume who never have male characters are misandrists?I don't think so.
This was a yume argument all along, because yumes can't get into romance without self inserting, so because they can't understand how looking at a romance that doesn't involve them works they blame everyone else (typical narcissistic tactic)
No.13122
>>13104>Is the element of surprise important to you for shipping? like does the homo element being unexpected make it better for you? Would you rather the homo be a rugpull or built up like a typical romance? (which would earn it a plot-BL label anyways)I thought about how to tl;dr what I really meant from my post and the closest I can get is using an example. I would want it to be like Naruto: billed as shonen, long-running, worldwide popularity, but around the end Sasuke and Naruto's turbulent relationship reaches its logical conclusion (they are in love with each other). Super popular BL ships from shonen get as popular as they do because they are extremely compelling to women (the gender that supposedly "understands" romance!) and it's irritating that a lot of ships I would consider well written romances never actually end that way.
Shonen BL is like seeing the ingredients for cherry pie(sasunaru) laid out on the counter, thinking "oh boy cherry pie, can't wait!" and then before it goes in the oven the cook dumps it in the trash and takes a fat steaming shit in the pie tin (Boruto). Then the dog you were playing chess with to pass the time calls checkmate.
No.13123
>>13122what do they even mean? it's just a roundabout way of talking. The thing is shounen is for young men, and most young men aren't gay, hence the rarity of gay couples.
No.13124
>>13123This, if you want canon gay, you have to go somewhere where it’s even on the menu.
No.13125
>>13122>Shonen BL is like seeing the ingredients for cherry pie(sasunaru) laid out on the counter, thinking "oh boy cherry pie, can't wait!" and then before it goes in the oven the cook dumps it in the trash and takes a fat steaming shit in the pie tin (Boruto).Kek Boruto is so bad that I would ignore it even as a hetshipper. I just pretend that Boruto is a bad ending and let the fic writers make Naruto into what it should have been (not that I'm necessarily asking for canon NSN). I seriously think of dj/ff as "DLC" for the original IP.
No.13126
The only shonen I know that has an endgame canon gay couple that involves the MC is Blue Flag, but it also literally was only confirmed in the final chapter where a several year timeskip happens that was like yeah I broke up with the girl I was with even though the whole story was making a big deal about us being together. There are very very vague hints about the MC reciprocating before that but apparently the mangaka was going to make them even more subtle and I'm like bro how??? That's more of a philosophical story anyway
No.13127
>>13124Canon homo alone isn't a sell to me. I want to read action manga with shit like ninjas and sorcerers and then I want my ship to kiss after 40+ volumes of dancing around each other. VNs and danmei kind of fill this gap but there are only so many of them that appeal to my non-BL wants in fiction. Like, I'm never watching the hockey show because I know those 2 dudes fuck on screen. My general tastes come first.
>>13125>I seriously think of dj/ff as "DLC" for the original IP.This is the compromise I live with. With popular shonen there will always be at least one god-tier fanfic I can treat as the actual ending or I can bake the pie myself. I admit I'm kind of "spoiled" because of this so if my posts come off as whiny I get it.
>>13126I read this knowing what the endgame was and kept on waiting for it to pick up
and am still kind of annoyed I had to read what was essentially a full run of a m/m/f love triangle that "ends" with m/f but no just kidding it's m/m!!! Insane! No.13129
>>13128holy shit venterra I haven't seen that in a long time.
The fact that KH is gay as fuck, without directly confirming anything is what makes it so good. I agree with anon that canon homo is not a sell. I don't want romance at al personally. I want an action story where romance is not a heavy focus and the feelings between two characters are explored beyond sex. Romance is a writing trap. But thinking of Terra going genuinely psycho over the idea of Ven getting hurt, knowing that they lived together as students and would die for one another- there's the draw.
Birth By Sleep was probably my gateway into non-fluff related ships because of Vanitas.
No.13134
>>13123whenever someone says they want “shonen BL” it’s just a roundabout way of saying they want more action BL (or fujobait)
No.13135
>>13134I feel like with BL, the plot is a sideshow to the romance, so I can definitely understand wanting something where the plot takes center stage and the romance is a side plot.
No.13137
>>13127I have my many issues with that series and that is one of them. I get obviously the gay guy doesn't want his friend to know which is why it's dealt with at the end but from the girl who had a crush on him saying it would be easier for her if she was a guy (forgetting gay people exist) and his friend beating the shit out of him for being gay, he is not having a good time at all LMAO. Don't even get me started on how the author would make characters act like the way fans/the audience would instead of people or like him making characters that would use the criticisms that he foresaw some fans using.
Essentially when the bald guy conveniently revealed he was molested by a man to explain his homophobia after his entire character being about him bothering a girl with his unrequited romantic feelings for her despite her saying she only wants to be friends. So now he suddenly cares about predatory behavior lmao. And then the author made the gay guy's other friend's gf & her friend say "isn't it convenient to say rn you were molested when you hurt your friend for being gay?" and have them be told that's horrible to say to make it seem fucked up for the reader to think that despite 100% being the case lmao. Don't even get me started on the female population of the school being fujos who want the FMC to get out of the way and for the two MCs to get together like what…? In a RURAL school lmao??? I'm glad it exists but there are some parts that make me mad. Don't even get me started on
that one female character ending up with a man. I get bisexual women exist but we see her have a long-string of COLLEGE AGED BFS THAT DON'T LAST while she's a highschooler and not one successful relationship with a woman like are you fr. The only copium is that her "husband" is FtM since apparently they're drawn without an Adam's apple unlike all the other male characters.>>13134For me it's not just action BL I just wish both characters in a pairing were fleshed out outside of the relationship and you don't have one who has a personality and then only exists to simp over the MC after they fall in love. This is my issue with danmei tbh, why is the shou allowed to have complexity but as soon as the seme falls in love it's either domesticated househusband or rapey warlord. Or sometimes both but again having little motivation outside of the MC. Only if it's some mutual bs like SasuNaru could I tolerate it. Even if shonens are MC-centered that lick his boots, other male characters are usually focused on the plot unless it's haremshit.
No.13138
>>13137>This is my issue with danmei tbh, why is the shou allowed to have complexity but as soon as the seme falls in love it's either domesticated househusband or rapey warlord. I don't think it's that widespread and I don't even read much danmei.
No.13139
>>13137>MC-centered that lick his boots>unless it's haremshitthat’s like half of all shounen though
No.13144
Wonder how yumes are hated back then, was it because their self inserts were insufferably Mary sue, all male characters fight to the death just to fuck her and shat on fem charas who were too close to their husbando?
Back in DeviantArt, people used to bullied yumes viciously, even making hateart of her, that was in Naruto fandom afaik.
No.13145
>>13144People really hated Mary Sues and blatant self-inserts back then, at least a quarter of a reason why Chris-chan got so bullied back then was in part over how blatantly he was self-inserting onto everything. Self-inserters have never been liked in any fandom.
But over years, with tumblrites and the worst of tumblrites moving to twitter spreading the whole "cringe culture is dead, be cringe and free", yumeing (and by extension self-inserting) slowly stopped being less stigmatized as (at least in this case) being a yume was seen as being better than being a fujo, which is what added to a bigger acceptance of being a yume. Yumes "don't hurt anyone", they don't fetishize romanticize caramelize localize w/e 'muh gayppl' like fujos do. So it's a healthier and better alternative to engage with fandom as a yume than be a nasty proshipper fujo or whatever.
Oh yeah, the whole "proship" shit added to it too.
In other words, you really can chalk it up to fujohate by yumes becoming actually more accepted overall, and anything that makes fujos look worse is better.
No.13146
Just saw three fujohate posts in a row on xitter. There's no hope fujos are losing the civil war very hard.
No.13148
Is it alright to be a yumejoshi when I feel lonely? I consider myself to be a fujoshi first and foremost, but I have always been very lonely because i'm just too afraid to date men after bad experiences in my life. So sometimes I like shipping myself with 2D men to comfort myself. However I never in my life would bully a fujoshi or think that yumejoshis are better than fujoshis for any reasons. You anons think i'm a decent person or do you hate me for having selfish fantasies sometimes?
No.13150
>>13148I was a yume once but now i can't imagine myself with anyone so i turned to shipping
No.13152
>>13148There's nothing wrong with being a yume. You are hurting nobody. Yume and fujo wars are childish. I think it's retarded when yumes shit on fujos, but I really just want us all to coexist. You are fine. There is no shame.
No.13154
>>13148It's fine, sometimes I fantasize about being with my character crushes sexually and romantically and have even made sonas that I keep to myself. Unfortunately a lot of yume spaces are filled with very entitled and rude people that shit on fujos and whatever else they deem "problematic" so I try to stay away from people who make it a huge part of their online presence.
No.13155
>>13154>very entitled and rude people that shit on fujos and whatever else they deem "problematic"My theory is that there is a strong correlation between moralfaggotry and toxic yumeism because some yumes will literally try to imagine themselves involved with anything "problematic", get grossed out, and then become huge moralfags.
No.13156
>>13152Some of us never grew out of fighting over dolls. It's so stupid to me, I never understood it. Not just the yume/fujo wars but also shipping wars and top/bottom discourse.
I don't care if someone finds a character hot in a specific context that I don't. I don't see why anyone else would. It's all just fanart in the end.
But some communities are rancid with it. LADS in particular comes to mind, although its not exclusive to them. When I see this behaviour, I can't help but think these people have some sort of strange parasocial relationship with their anime boys. Like they think he's a real person, and if you ship him with someone else, they take it as an attempt to forcibly change his personality.
It's just all very bizarre to me. More people should be on meds.
No.13159
>>13152We need more peak yumes who see fujos as sisters, not enemies
When I was tween. I used to (at least tried but failed) yume with Back Cat's Train Heartnet & Roxas, what turns me to fujo is when I saw Deathnote yaoi.
Ever since then I'm no longer yume but fujo for years even to adulthood, the only Yuri I read so far is Shitsurakuen..most people hated the ending though, Claudine by Riyoko Ikeda & I accidentally read shoujo ai written by classic shoujo mangaka who wrote Gals!
In a way Yuri can be as enjoyable as yaoi, as long as you don't encounter yuritards
No.13160
>>13159I enjoy classic yuri, but most modern stuff is infested by troons who want to jerk off over middle school girls kissing, and is thus gross. Femslash is usually populated by more sane fans; they tend to be more invested in writing/drawing and less in just consuming stuff, so they don't get into as many fights on twitter.
I can only see fujos and yumes getting along if they aren't shipping the same guy. I can't imagine a Sasuke yume is too crazy about Sasunaru, whereas a sasunaru and a sakurahinata wouldn't have such an obvious conflict.
No.13163
>>13160The "non-sharing" yumes tend to be the insane ones. They get really offended over other yumes who ship themselves with the same character or any ship involving the character they love with someone that isn't themselves. It reeks of 2000s "this character is MINE and you can't have him" deviantart fangirl faggotry. I cannot imagine engaging with media and fandom this way, it seems incredibly unhealthy.
The yumes who are fine with sharing tend to be more chill, at least in my experience.
No.13164
>>13163I wonder how non-sharing yumes if they see hetship, especially if canon female is abusive tsundere while their husbando portrayed as dumb punching bag simp?
Hetships tend to drawn to ship war.
No.13167
>>13164I mean, the Rei vs Atsuka and Tifa vs Aeris fans are still at each other's throats, two decades later. I don't think I've ever seen a m/m ship ever get to that point of animosity.
No.13169
>>13167>I don't think I've ever seen a m/m ship ever get to that point of animosity.Voltron?
No.13170
>>13169Still funny to me that the singular instance of this happening with a m/m ship went on to irradiate western fandom as we know it for the next decade. I don't even see people argue about Sheith/Klance anymore, unlike the two mentioned by
>>13167>>13137>I'm glad it exists but there are some parts that make me mad. This is also where I fall but being reminded about the spoilers pissed me off all over again lmao
No.13171
>>13098>>13135This is how I feel about it too, I prefer stories where the actual romance is secondary, and most media outright tagged as BL doesn't fit that. It sucks because having a BL tag essentially means the focus is going to be on the romance itself, but not having a BL tag means that having anything beyond subtext is going to be difficult. I wish that BL wasn't its' own 'niche' and that there were more anime and manga with actual plots where the main male lead simply happens to have a bf instead of a gf. I usually just end up settling for series that have good fujobait and somewhat low chance of a het jumpscare ending.
If we're talking about something recent and popular, then I think Blue Lock is pretty good since it has a proper plot, a lot of cute and shippable boys, and the subtext is actually more than what you'd expect. The only bad things about it are the animation for the s2 of the anime and the obnoxious dudebro audience that bitches about fujos, despite this very obviously being a series for us.
No.13174
>>13171I like BL with a developed supporting cast and strong non-romance plot but I don’t get the want for the MC’s relationship to be some side plot. Even in non-romance it’s best when the MC’s relationship is woven into and important to the plot itself.
No.13175
>>13174I mean, ideally, it should be like any other series, with a plot and a romance that feels natural and not tacked on, just with gay characters. I feel like, of the mainstream stuff, Yuri on Ice has probably been the closest.
No.13176
>>13167>two decades laterAnon, it's been three decades now…
No.13180
>>13164they self insert like with sakura from naruto or akane from ranma, I mean you can clearly see the sasusaku and rankane fanarts just ooze with self inserting/AU vibes. Sasuke is not the punching bag, but from the sasusaku fanarts I have seen, they basically all pretend that Sasuke in reality is obsessed with Sakura, and he will drop to her knees at her command etc
It's obviously just Sasuke yumes that live throu Sakura.
>>13163being "non sharing" is almost normalized at this point in fandom, they even make lists on what characters they are ok with "sharing" or not
No.13187
>>13180Main characters are just cat-nip for self-inserters. In Naruto it was, well–Naruto and Sakura. They were incredibly insane and vocal.
I remember Narusaku shippers being less aggressive than Sasusaku shippers, and Naruto being a punching bag being less a factor than Sakura being the smart girl for them (lot of overlap with Hermione from HP at that time). It was mostly Yume who didn't like Sasuke, especially after he became a bad guy or wanted Sakura to grow out of her schoolgirl crush. Whereas Sasusaku was either about having your crush reciprocate, having a trophy husband, or fixing the bad boy. Either way, Narusaku vs. Sasusaku was probably nothing but a war between fundamentally different types of yumes (maybe the same as Hermione/Harry and Hermione/Draco), whereas Narusaku and Naruhina were pretty much yumes vs. otakus. Naruhina shippers who often sided with Sasusaku shippers. One, for one obvious reason (not conflict between the ships). And two, Naruhina was about having a girl pine after you and a trophy wife. It was the Sasusaku, but for incels.
No.13194
>>13112It's this. Not everyone likes poly and I don't care about a relationship that's off screen just because it's canon. I don't want poly or cheating or whatever, I just don't care about this character who wasn't even in the story but I have to care about because fandom made them a bland "bad as hell" OC who I never liked because those characters become too perfect.
>>13113>>13115Adrian is literally never addressed as "she" anywhere (except maybe in some dubs due to censorship) so I don't know why people like
>>13110 always call them "she" unless they're just this used to female characters only being there for a no no homo. But like I said, even if Adrian was a guy I still wouldn't care about them. I care about Grace and Rocky's dynamic since it's the one we actually see and it affects the story, and a side relationship with a boring fanon Sue character isn't interesting. I'd rather Rocky and Adrian break up or just be poly but Adrian not be in the ship because it's just a non character being like dead weight into the ship I actually want to read about.
No.13202
Well that settles it now the entire xitter is parroting the same that fujos are homophobic and misogynistic especially asian fujoshi even thought it isn't even true. Wish i could learn japanese so my tl wouldn't be that stupid
No.13205
>>13202the west fandom is a dead cause, full of zoomers with the attention span of a 2 year old, we just have to wait until they grow out of it and cringe.
I don't really care about being judged by people like that
No.13206
>>13205And AI crap is making it worse.
No.13209
>>13205>despite more schooling than everDoesn't mean much if school programs suck ass and if these kids don't pay attention in class or when doing their homework tbh. The internet is just one factor in this even if it's one of the biggest ones. To go back to the topic I agree with you. I don't really see myself as being part of one or several fandoms, the most I do is maybe go to cons irl sometimes, look up release dates for episodes, movies, books, video games, etc. directly thanks to official publishers' social media accounts and retweeting art I like. I only truly interact with others on here and lc from time to time and that's it.
>>13202>Wish i could learn japanese so my tl wouldn't be that stupidUnfortunately on twitter, even if you decide that the auto translate feature could help you intetact with Japanese fans, grok barely works compared to google translate back in the days, and the algorithm was changed for the search feature and the fyp to prioritize tweets based on your localisation. I still have plenty of Japanese and Korean tweets in my fyp but since these updates a few months ago I have way more retarded normalfag Japanese tweets on my fyp, mostly anachan tweets, politics and random normies posting cats or what they ordered in small coffee shops I will never go to. Maybe a VPN could help.
No.13211
>>13202>Wish i could learn japaneseJoin me anon. It's fun :))))
>>13209>I only truly interact with others on hereIt's so lonely being a 30+ fujo. The fact that I can vividly remember when fandom was better is haunting me.
No.13212
>>13159>>13156I didn't think about yumes until they became a bigger subculture and now thanks to games like LADS they're always feel bold enough to speak on fujos. Barely any of them mind their own business and they're the ones generating most of the anti fujoshi drama online.
>>13202Fujos really lost and I also believe the fact that there's less media actually pandering to us is why.
>>13205Gen Alpha isn't going to be any better, they're raised with an even worse algorithm. I think we're definitely cooked as older gens start aging out of fandoms, and the only people who actually have the energy to run fandoms or drive discourse being zoomers who all think like this.
No.13214
>>12869>like some cute PHM art>algo immediately floods me with PHM/mark movie artI HATE MIGRATORY SLASH FANDOM I HATE MIGRATORY SLASH FANDOM
No.13215
>>13211>It's so lonely being a 30+ fujo. The fact that I can vividly remember when fandom was better is haunting me.Reading back through old LJ comms and message boards is legitimately depressing. Modern internet is a pale shadow of what it was.
No.13228
>>13226>Doesn't help that I'm having a hard time finding those who are really into my OTP. Ahh, I wish we brought back communities for these kinds of things. That was you could tell who actually likes your otp and who doesn't.Depends a bit on what you mean by this. I'm somewhat in a similar situation although there are a couple people "interested" in my ship every here and there but they either *also* like my NOTP or are just those kinds of people who ship anything (and have no real passion for anything, just consume). In which case, I make it very clear I want to ONLY talk to genuine shippers of my ship ONLY (And it has gotten me shit because the NOTP shippers go "wow how dare you deny us also like this ship you're so toxic". Well sorry I don't know why you feel so bothered that you're pushed away from the rareship when you have plenty fucking content to consume of your vastly popular OTP)
No.13230
I hate it when moids try to put their friendships on the same level as the soulbound M/M ships just to make out fujos to be crazy. I'm friends with guys/have discussed with mutuals what their friendships with other guys are like and it's literally nothing close as to what, say, Narusasu or Satosugu have and it's borderline offensive that dudebros would compare their friendships to ships of that calibre. Every time their friendships just come down to some shit like, "yeah we just talk about whatever we're doing at the moment and politics and a bit about work sometimes idk". HELL, half of the time they don't even know the other's girlfriend's name or even her existence at times. Like I understand it's not as though we see animu bishies talk about that shit either but these guys are the type to dip from the group as soon as they get a gf and yet act like they'd go to the ends of the earth for each other… it's truly laughable.
No.13231
>>13230When one of them compared his friendship with other guys to Gojo and Geto on twitter once I do remember even other guys saying if it's truly that similar he may need to question himself a little bit. Especially because of that infamous scene in JJK0 where Gojo still remembers Geto's scent after 10 years of never meeting him again. I can't get angry at these guys, I just find them laughable especially when season 2 started a few of them apologized for not believe fujoshi when they called satosugu gay as fuck based on the manga chapters that weren't adapted yet.
As for sasunaru, I dropped the manga before the gayest scenes between them existed but didn't Kishimoto used his own relationship with his twin brother as a basis to write Sasuke and Naruto's relationship? Which is NOWHERE near comparable to a regular friendship between guys either. These two guys are literally clones of each other and grew up developing the exact same interests and getting the exact same job to the point where back when 666 Satan started everyone assumed it was plagiarizing Naruto until people learned its author was Kishimoto's twin brother and felt stupid for questioning the similar art styles. kek how do regular friends compare themselves to that without feeling retarded?
No.13232
>>13230If any of my boyfriends had a sasunaru level "friendship" I would not have dated them past the point of figuring out I'm the third wheel. I always feel bad for the canon girl in most shonen ships because I know she's not #1 in that boy's life.
No.13233
>>13228>are just those kinds of people who ship anything The most detestable, liberal, wokest, PC, trashiest, most ghetto, indecisive fags you will ever encounter in fandom. They are the bane of my existence and they love to act as if they're the most enlightened for not having ship preferences and treating certain characters like the town bicycle, and some even have this retarded expectation that you should do the same too, but I see that particular mentality mainly in KR BL fandoms. Even if they have "passion" for it, they're still fucking annoying. But more often than not, they tend to have a secret fave pair but try not to sound biased (but they do. I fucking see you)
No.13234
>>13214It doesn't help that Mark acknowledged it recently in a semi-positive way… which means MORE people feel encouraged to do it. Also some annoying scientists were commenting under one famous "bloodymary" fic and praising it for it's scientific accuracy (aka it was ripping off actual scientific inventions/events that were used in the past) so now these people feel even more emboldened and are advertising their shit taste everywhere. But if you say you ship GraceRocky they suddenly are like Grace is aroace you're devaluing friendship, Rocky already has a mate (notice how for literally every fandom but this one people would suggest poly for this kind of situation, that's how much they hate alien-human yaoi that they're willing to forego their own wokeness), I don't see it (after they reblog the "you gave me everything" gif).
Anyways this brings me to my convo that I'm never sure of how to be a fujo. I feel like as time goes on I have a lower and lower tolerance for gendie/TQ+ bullshit. I was half-peaked for a long time but I could still interact with people normally. And the newer fandoms or the ones that attracted a huge new legion of fans have this shit be inescapable. It doesn't help that the gc communities I particpate in rarely have fujos besides FC/LC and even then there's not often overlap between our interests. I just want to have a conversation about a media with someone whose not going to preface every opinion with disclaimers and can understand that this genre is rife with "problematic" tropes and no pretending they don't exist OR that you're just hatereading it are both dumb. Going back to PHM it's crazy how a guy who had a long-term gf, who other characters thought was very close to a women and thought they were in a relationship and the movie played this up as having some basis in reality/having some chemistry, and having some scientist whose vaguely hinted to like him in the book be someone he gets disappointed she gets straight to business and doesn't joke with him be someone who is treated like an AROACE ICON!!! When the only reason he doesn't date anymore is because he is scared of getting hurt/taking risks. I feel like I'm delusional and I'm noticing more and more it feels like self-hating non-sharing yumes who can't stand to see Grace with other people and who don't want to be honest to themselves who are pushing this because in fanart & fics he's treated just like a husbando. It doesn't help that Grace/Ryan Gosling fits into the category of both being the kind of soft boy TIFs want to be and also the kind of attractive they will let themselves acknowledge as such (aka not model attractive but kind of scraggly).
No.13238
>>13232This. But twitterinas will tell you you're a misogynist for pointing it out.
No.13239
>>13234I wish people stopped pushing "aroace" headcanons onto characters as if that was the only explanation possible for why someone may struggle with intimacy. I couldn't tell you how many times I was told by woke people that I must be some bullshit like gray-sexual dueing my Tumblr days, when it was obvious I had childhood sexual trauma all along. pmo.
No.13240
>>13234> I'm never sure of how to be a fujo. I'm not a 'real' fujo according to anons here so do what you want. I agree that the whole gendy bullshit is annoying, but you do not have to rely on others for what to think. Block. Always block. Keep blocking until the only results left are M/M GraceRocky anal or alien fucking.
It took me months in the MHA fandom on AO3 to fully clear out results to the yaoi that I wanted. I don't hate poly ships either, but I do hate 'queerplatonic' shlock. It took awhile to delete those fuckers out of my space, but it worked.
No.13244
>>13239"Aroace" is such a menace. It's a tactic used to stop people from using the character for shipping and shaming others for making them sexual. And even if that wasn't the intent of the aroace headcanon gendie, you can tell how sheltered and delusional they are to assuming the lack of intimacy means OMG THEY'RE AROACE. These people are so fucking annoying
No.13246
>>13244I thought I was bi for years as a kid because I wanted to experiment with girls and get attention. I'm as straight as that damn meme straight pride flag. Bi girls got attention.
I blame a lot of this gender politicking on sex negativity online and how only the evil republican white straight men can have functioning sex drives. And it's cool now to be apart of the oppressed.
No.13248
>>13246Wanting to experiment with girls isn't very straight. I'm not attacking you, but why do you feel it doesn't count?
No.13249
>>13248Because I'm speaking about past tense when I was a kid and specifying that bi girls got more attention. Children crave attention.
No.13251
>>13246>it's cool now to be apart of the oppressed.I hope one day this attitude dies off, it's exhausting. I'm bisexual and have dated women and that attitude has made me not want to talk about it in many contexts. I just want to be seen as normal.
No.13255
>>13253>straggotis that like the term "breeder"?a new term gendies and people with 5 differents flags in bios use?
No.13258
Interacting with zoomers is the absolute worst, holy shit. I genuinely tried but it's not worth the headache of having to walk on eggshells around them. I don't understand how they live like this, constantly policing the people around them and getting offended at drawings. Does it not get exhausting? How do you become this joyless and hypersensitive? I'm a bit concerned for the future of fandom but I'm just going to tell myself that there have to be a decent amount of zoomers who aren't absolutely insufferable and I just had bad luck.
No.13259
>>13258zoomers are in their late 20's now. ipad babies who got mentally stunted by covid and missing social development in high school are the new problem children.
Every 20 something with a trans profile pic and DNI is a Chinese parade of red flags. They're not even trannies they just refuse to present themselves as anything less than something they can get behind when criticized. I've formed 25+ groups where 18 year olds are heavily discouraged from joining. The older you aim the less bullshit occurs. And they're too dumb to lie their age to join.
They're like boomers but worse. Thriving on hate and witch hunts. But instead of chasing the ghosts of politics and HOA violations it's politics and clout over shipping
No.13260
>>13234Now the fandom has reached the point of saying it's misogyny to not want Adrian referred to with she/her pronouns. Even when the rock aliens have no gender we can't be free of this "you're erasing his WIFE you misogynist". That's exactly why the she/her pronouns is so annoying, since it only assumes a "male" character's partner must be a woman.
It's such an annoying fandom because I do like Grace and Rocky's relationship but between this and the "aroace" people who argue that shipping them is devaluing platonic friendship, it's really hard to be around. I feel you so much on how it sucks to be a fujo. You can't do anything without people either saying it has to be platonic or that this character is straight married so don't ship them in something gay.
And I straight up don't care about Adrian because they're not a character in the movie so no, guys, I don't care if them and Rocky are "Odysseus/Persphone" coded. The fandom has decided they're this collect Mary Sue OC everyone loves but I find that so boring to read. I hate when fanon OCS take over for being one dimensional badasses. It feels so performative to me even though I know people probably do like this boring shit. I just want to find Gracerocky without this random character added in and people now acting like they're a female character you have to ship or it's misogyny. Even a fandom with aliens isn't free from this bullshit.
No.13262
>>13260you sound like Land of the Lustrous would make you seethe and that's really funny.
No.13263
>>13262NTA and also not related to the current conversation since you didn’t bring it up, the gems may be genderless but I can tell most people see them as woman adjacent because migratory slash fandom has never come to HnK kek.
No.13264
>>13262Why do we have someone actually agreeing with this shit? We can't be annoyed when people use gendie shit to make up het ships now?
>>13263Isn't it mostly the straight male otaku's fault for calling them girls because they don't want to look gay fapping to them? The author never called them girls. I saw fujo artists drawing for Phos ships and I think the only one who got forced femmed was Cairngorm? I stopped following that manga though, so I have no idea how it ended. Those gems looked more like 70s shoujo bishounen to me, especially Bort and Padpa.
No.13266
>>13264You might be a bit terminally online if you think you saw an agreement where there was none
No.13267
>>13258Beyond that, I just dislike the way they communicate everything through semi ironic memes and poorly traced over animations that disregard anything actually interesting about the source material.
I feel like things are leaving me behind. At my age, maybe its better just to let it go.
No.13268
>>13259My bad. Wouldn't be the first time I got confused over these terms. I thought twenty still counted as the zoomer age range.
>>13267Groups in the 25+ age range are usually fine in my experience. I do imagine that the ease of finding mature communities would depend on your fandom.
No.13269
>>13258>>13267>>13268I think the problem is most of us are into anime fandoms and anime fandoms all skew really young and have the most annoying zoomers in them. They're so unbearable to talk to with all the fujoshi discourse and picking apart ships for "problematic stuff". I don't even think being over 25 fixes it, some of the worst ones I've seen were 27.
No.13270
>>13269This is the reason ive been getting to books more tbh, i just cannot deal with weebs anymore.
No.13272
>>13239>>13244A lot of them are just straight people who want "queer cred" because of stupid shipping discourse saying you need to be queer to be a fujo, so not being interested in sex is queer. "Aroace" headcanons are the new no homo. They can say "just let men be BROS, why do you have to make everything gay" by using words like "queerplatonic" and "aphhobia". Do you ever notice how the characters who always get called aroace are male characters? It's because they don't want people joking that the guy is gay if he didn't have good relationships with women, like how fandom uses to do. It's better for him to be aroace than a filthy homo. I never see female characters getting called "aroace" nearly this fucking much.
No.13273
>>13272It's funny you mention that considering that the main woman in PHM is actually someone who shows zero interest in romance, and we never get a romantic history for her and she's straight to business and is emotionally closed off. All of this seems like perfect bait for an aroace. But nobody ever hcs her as such and the Stratt x Grace shippers never get as much ire as the GraceRocky ones.
No.13274
>>13272>Do you ever notice how the characters who always get called aroace are male characters?Yes, always. It's the woke way to shame people into not shipping them with other men. "How aphobic of you to make this aroace having relationships and have sex!"
In a discord I got in, I intentionally left disagreement emojis on some themby moid's "He's aroace. It's canon" comment and I know he can't stand me for it. Eat shit retard. I know what you are trying to do. Predictably, he ships the lead character with a woman. Of course. Better to get rid of the faggot option by labeling him as "aroace" than to say the truth of "I hate homos."
No.13275
>recommend a series in good faith
>only reply is that its shit because… a female character has the audacity to die in the first episode
>see the same post on multiple forums telling people its shit and not to bother because misogyny
>this is the second time this happened, the first is an anon going all over because a series I recommended had the audacity to imply in an anime original scene that a male character may have at one point had sex.
>"wow thanks now I now this is garbage and I won't waste my time"
Maybe my taste really is shit if this is the only type of reply I get. I haven't recommended anything since.
No.13277
>>13255just call me a faggot at this point what the fuck is a gendie
No.13278
>>13266nta but you are being obtuse on purpose
No.13279
>>13275What are the series anon… Some people just like to hate. I guarantee you the person who complained about the female character dying are either yumes or people into shonen that's actually misogynistic.
>>13277People who believe in mogai identities basically (aka the weird kind of genders, transgender doesn't need dysphoria etc.)
No.13280
>>13263>>13264Re: hnk, I think the anime having women dubbing the gems cemented that for everyone. I agree everyone and their mom sees them as female, no matter how upset that makes some people. Reminds me of undertale/deltarune characters where everyone clearly treat the human characters as boys, regardless of they/them pronouns.
I think it's stupid but most of all completely delusional to think these characters are treated as anything other than the gender they are perceived as in fandom kek
No.13281
>>13280When I read the manga the gems were all called "he". That's why I never saw them as female unlike something like Steven Universe. Just because male weebs want them to be girls so they can fap doesn't mean the author intended that. I never saw any yuri fans getting into it the way they did with Steven Universe, so they're clearly not female enough for them. Or was the manga ending ass enough to drive away the remaining fans? I remember some fujo artists who drew Phos a lot but now I never see anyone bring it up, not even gendies who like to talk about "representation" in anime.
It's a moot point in terms of PHM though since the rock alien doesn't look like a human, they're voiced by a dude, and treated like a dude. Their mate is never even shown and never actually referred to as "she" by the movie or the book. Anyone trying to say it's "misogyny" is just trying to repurpose anti-yaoi talking points from other fandoms in a last ditch bid for attention.
No.13282
>>13281There’s not much porn of them either of the yaoi or yuri kind because they really are hard rocks with no holes or poles. The series isn’t coomer friendly in general. Also, who said the ending was ass? It made sense. The fandom just thinned out over the years due to constant hiatuses.
No.13283
How do you all feel about characters who don't have any gender or who go by "they/them" and no other pronoun? Someone mentioned Deltarune which is funny to me because I see people calling the mc a lesbian for ships with female character to be Yuri. The only M/M I've seen there involves the tv head guy.
The only other anime I know where characters have no gender is Gnosia, but I only saw one episode. I've seen a dude shipped with some other character who feels pretty masculine despite being a "they/them" character. How do nonnas feel about those type of characters, what would make them feel fujo adjacent?
No.13284
>>13283Frankly, most nonbinary characters are so annoying in general that I don't ship them because I don't care for them.
No.13285
>>13283They're okay. Often in the media I consume they're not nb in the woke way but in the "this person is mysterious" or non-human way. They often do feel like males (see: Orochimaru) and often play into the "everyone sees them as irresistible" which is easy fujobait. In DR's case idk if I would consider Kris good for fujos, as most of his interesting relationships, bar the one with his brother, are with girls&women. Tho idrc about Ralsei so maybe I'm just biased kek. They'd feel fujo adjacent if they're close to several guys and while simultaneously being one the bros there's this allure to him these hetero men justify bc his gender is vague.
No.13286
>>13285>Bar the one with his brotherThat's all I need
No.13287
>>13283Eh, depends. They aren't nearly as annoying as MTF/FTM characters (which almost always come off as preachy in some way), at least in most cases. It's easier to show in a casual way by just referring to them as "they" without having to bring up how hecking brave and stunning they are.
No.13288
>>13281I also started with the manga where male pronouns where used. I'm not saying the author intended for them to be female, I'm saying the fandom effectively treat them as such.
>>13283I've seen some artists call Kris a lesbian and their ships Yuri but to be fair the fandom treats Kris like he's a boy, and suselle is handled like a het ship, not a yuri ship.
Ralsei is cute and all but I think only furries ship him with Kris tbh
No.13289
>>13288*Krusie, not suselle
No.13290
>trying to look for new gacha game because I'm sick of Hoyoverse and their shit
>its all waifu games
>the few games aimed at women are all yume ML games where they hate fujos and don't want fujos shipping any guys
Its hell to be a fujo right now. There's nothing new to look forward to. All the seasonal anime has nothing. Gacha games have nothing unless you want play shovelware. I want to get into something new that has enough people writing some fanfics that are readable. I'm jealous of all these other groups of fans who always have something new coming out. I wish I could give a shit about 3DPD hockey players but I don't.
No.13291
>>13290Why don't you switch to
>>>/bl/5277 ?
No.13292
I went from not caring about yumes to wanting to DNI them because of how schizo they are about fujos, especially with gacha games pandering to them. Everytime I see someone shitting on fujos as "male centered" its a yume who ships herself with one of the guys. Even in gacha fandoms they have no problem aligning themselves with incels because they're all into "ML" and say that fujos don't bring in money. Of course they can be worse with shitting on fujos since anything aimed at women will pander to them while fujos get harassed.
No.13293
>>13290>I want to get into something new that has enough people writing some fanfics that are readable. I understand this so bad and it sucks that perfectly acceptable suggestions like
>>13291 just won't scratch that itch. I also recently dropped Hoyo games because of the AI stuff and just use that time to work through my backlog. I'm looking forward to the Kagurabachi anime next year (there's already quite a lot of BL art on pixiv). Maybe try something new to you that WAS super popular and check out the backlog of fanfics?
No.13294
>>13290>>13292Why just not play a gacha?
Also, if you seriously hate seeing any kind of girl in a game no matter how insignificant they may be, you'll have even less games to play. I like Arknights and I'll always recommend it although I know it's not for everyone and depending on what type of "fujo ships" or "fujo friendly" atmosphere you're looking for, the great majority of gachas won't be to your liking since most of the highly active fandoms are all Hoyo.
Also, because the majority of these games are chinese, most of the actual GOOD quality content will be in platforms like xiaohongshu, weibo, lofter, etc and if you can't read chinese you'll be stuck with the shitty western fandom people that only know how to spew memes or find shit to be angry about.
Do you want something that is active and new, or do you want to just enjoy something? There's always plethora of old media to look into, but it's highly likely the fandoms could be dead.
No.13295
My problem with the current big gachas is they do too much on the ML pandering and I can't give a shit about ships when the characters don't even interact with each other. No one used to give a shit before, even otome games used to let guys talk to each other until everyone became full schizo. I can't care about characters when it feels like they barely exist in their world and it's just them with a mc who's so bland I might as well be shipping them with a mob character. No wonder younger fujos who played nothing but Hoyoslop think it's a feast. Compared to most games they see, the fact that Hoyo lets playable characters actually talk to each other might as well be a five course meal.
I'm not surprised that I see a bunch of JP and CN fujosisters getting into Project Hail Mary now. It's new and has a buddy dynamic that's pretty shippable which we don't really see in a lot of big movies anymore. We just need more central relationships in media more than five people will watch.
No.13296
>>13294>WangJust blew my load on the fucking Mlynar/Ebenholz standard, im so weak…at least I got Mlynar twice off of it.
No.13297
>>13230Call me delusional but I think bakudeku had some credibility because of being based on both narusasu and diakko the later being pretty much confirmed. Not even an mha fan btw.
No.13298
>>13294Gachas suck and are part of the problem. I don't know where you pulled "hate seeing a girl in a game" when the issue about how these games shaft female players and I don't like how they write their female characters. Arknights isn't fujo friendly since most male characters don't interact or have chemistry because it's all MC pandering.
>There's always plethora of old media to look into, but it's highly likely the fandoms could be dead.That's the point. Older media fandoms are dead. I want a new fandom that has fic I can actually enjoy reading, not Chinese stuff I have to machine translated. Their gacha culture is so dysfunctional I feel bad for any fujos there.
No.13300
>>13298>I don't know where you pulled "hate seeing a girl in a game"Because there are autists who completely refuse to play a gacha if the cast isn't 100% all men with no women whatsoever, not even NPCs. In which case, you'll basically not end up playing anything.
>since most male characters don't interact or have chemistry because it's all MC pandering.I can tell you don't know a single thing about Arknights other than your pre-conceived notion that it's like Hoyo or Kuro games or even like FGO when Arknights is notoriously hated by waifufags and yumes exactly because it features the least MC pandering whatsoever second to Limbus.
There are only a select handful of characters that can be considered MC-pandering, with the great majority being either MC neutral or MC indifferent or some characters straight up hating the MC. Even the biggest yume darling of year 1 (SilverAsh) has been homofied as the years went by giving him a homo childhood friend buttbudy. There are events where the Doctor straight up is not featured in the story whatsoever, with only the storyline focusing on whatever the characters are doing according to the designated plot (Ebenholz's 2 events are like this).
So again, it all depends what the exact "fujo pandering" you're looking for supposedly is.
The characters DO interact, but you have to sit through Arknights event wordvomit that are like 10+ hours long.
If you want something that is just "sit and ship" like Touken Ranbu, Twst, and Enstars, those still very much exist and still have a sizeable fandom specially twst but the gameplay is fucking dogshit for all of them.
>>13296He's so fucking cute I can't believe it's KuroBlood who designed him… then again Lee is good too but Kuroblood needs to draw more human men.
No.13302
>>13300I wish I had the patience to sit through Arknights story, played the game for years and gave up reading anything after around frostnova's chapter which is really early on, only keeping up with the game because of the amazing gameplay.
If I wanted to catch up with the story I'd have to spend at least 100 hours and the writing is not engaging enough for me to commit to that.
No.13303
>>13300Id still say Arknights needs a little disclaimer due to the female heavy gender ratio. If I wasn’t also a fan of the Rhine Lab faction and some more female characters like Specter it would be a bit harder to play just for the boys. However, even if there aren’t a lot of boys they are treated well. I feel like they’ve increased the male 6 stars released in recent years as well.
>>13302There are channels on YouTube that summarize events. DW I can’t sit through the novel length stories either.
No.13304
>>13273>>13274Now that you mention it, it's almost always dudes who don't have het marriages or who you could say weren't that into women in the story who get this headcanon, but they would never think that a woman wouldn't want to fuck the guy she's friends with. Even though Stratt feels more uninterested in romance, there's nobody saying that shipping her with Grace is "erasing asexual representation" or "why can't they just be friends". I think because people always see female characters as existing for romance, while male characters don't have to, and it's also a way to tell people that shipping a male character in gay stuff is bad while still getting some "queer cred". Even dudebros are pulling the "ruining brotherhood" argument, that's how you know it's still anti yaoi rage.
Isn't there some podcast where the guys are really homoerotic and the creator no homoed them by saying one of the guys is asexual? This label feels like the new way to no homo while still getting asspats from fandom for having "queer representation". They know that het ships won't deter people because fujos are used to ignoring those, but calling them asexual might.
No.13306
>always see female characters as existing for romanceYes it is very weird, I guess it doesn't help that these characters are often defined by their relationship (in whatever form it takes) to the MC, while other side characters may be given more nuance. But then, isn't that an excuse to elaborate on her more outside of that? Or hetslop is acceptable instead.
>Even dudebros are pulling the "ruining brotherhood" argumentI'm reminded of how they'll say Luffy is aroace but ship LuNami or LuBoa (this is also a weird case of the creator saying something along those lines but then he also contradicts himself in early canon or in other Q&As).
>>13304>Isn't there some podcast where the guys are really homoerotic and the creator no homoed them by saying one of the guys is asexual?I'm 99% sure you're referring to The Magnus Archives and funnily enough that ship is still canon, so I don't really get why the creator made the MC asexual but it was probably a way of being like "okay they're gay but you can't draw/write any gay smut of them." Tbh for a lot of audio dramas early popular fanon plays a big role in how the story/characters play out. One example is The Penumbra Podcast where the main guy was originally imagined as a "cis" white & bisexual male, and is later written to be genderfluid (?) & black (they still keep the white VA tho kek). In general audio dramas can't be completely anti-yaoi since they are often dependent on fan support via websites like patreon (hence why I tend to listen to them, I love when creators give into fan-demand, and sometimes they're fujoshi too so it was originally planned!), tho ik one person who worked on TMA complained about the lack of interest female characters got in the fandom but that's not really anti-yaoi.
No.13308
>>13306>Yes it is very weird, I guess it doesn't help that these characters are often defined by their relationship (in whatever form it takes) to the MCI was just thinking, take final fantasy 13 or 10 for example, Yuna and Lightning are popular but there is no fandom for them, Even if one is shippable with Hope and the other is a canon love interest, it's nowhere near ff7 when it comes to fandom.
Some people may say it's because ff7 is the better game or because it got a remake, but I always remembered the Tifa and Aerith arguments even back to deviantart days. They argue that fujos are coomers that just play games or watch shows for bl when they do the exact same for het ships, or if they like male character looks ( Cloud or Leon for example)
No.13310
>>13308I've realized most ppl have horrible taste when I saw that Sora x Kairi is more popular than Yuna x Tidus.
No.13312
>>13300This is a strawman nonna, no one expects the cast to be all men (and it's much rarer to see women being as schizo as moids who hate male characters), every gacha space tells women to be okay with games barely putting efforts into male characters, let alone them having actual fujobait. What nonnas don't like is people trying to force female characters into joseimuke games because fujos aren't allowed to have anything. The games you mentioned being dogshit with gameplay is why they're not getting any new fans. If it's fanfic people want, there are no gacha games that have good fic except maybe Hoyo slop just because it's so big.
No.13314
>>13308A lot of it is jealousy because a lot of them also are only interested in female characters if she can be shipped with a male character. That's why more generic "every girl" type of female characters are more popular than female characters who are actual villains or something. Shounen girls like Sakura and Hinata are easier for them to say "this is literally me!" which is why they act like it's cucking them to not ship the canon het pairings. The pairing doesn't even have to be canon and they'll still say it's misogyny to not write fanfics for it, like how Gojohime shippers act in the JJK fandom. They're jealous that fujos are so passionate about their ships. The irony for them to call fujos "cock obsessed" when they're either yumes or self insert onto a female character. I don't care if people want to self insert on shipping, but then stop saying its misogyny for fujos to ship your husbando in M/M.
No.13319
Dear hetfags, nobody cares about your boring het ship in fandom. You wouldn't have to keep whining about the lack of fan content or humble bragging about being different than all the fujos out there as a hetfag. Your ship is boring. You can't make me care.
>>13306>always see female characters as existing for romanceThis is why most m/m pairings are way more interesting than f/m ones in non-BL media. The female characters are almost always written for a romance role whereas the male relationships exist to explore different roles beyond romance.
>>13314>That's why more generic "every girl" type of female characters are more popular than female characters who are actual villains or something.It's always a bland pretty but smart down-to-earth girl the male character is obsessed with and spoils. And the male character is always masculine and older and taller than the female character. I like het with a female characters who aren't supposed to be relatable every girls for female hetfags or desirable fantasy women for male hetfags.
>I don't care if people want to self insert on shipping, but then stop saying its misogyny for fujos to ship your husbando in M/M.all forms of moralfaggotry are cancer
No.13320
>>13314Yumetards are likely to be cock-obsessed since they write character x reader sucking their husbando's dick, the male characters are portrayed as homophobic, even to canonically bi/gay.
I despise Character x Reader fics, mostly cringe porn.
No.13321
>>13314Anyway, Diabolik Lovers had the most homophobic fandom despite numerous male characters. The yumes are horrendously yaoi haters & witch-hunt fujos.
As far as I know, DL has no fujos and mc herself is retard.
No.13322
>>13320xReader fics are the scourge of the character tags. You'd think that the writers would realize how obnoxious they're being, but I suppose idiots never learn. I also suspect that they post their uncut, godawful smut to all the main tags on purpose. I legitimately think it's some bizarre power play, like, if there's yume smut front and center, that somehow it negates yaoi and fujos.
No.13323
Every female oriented gacha game now hates fujos and only panders to ML otomefags. ML is such a cancer. Every single female oriented space like LC hates fujos and supports yumes who hate fujos and I'm sick of it.
No.13324
>>13323What does "ML" mean?
I don't play much gacha but I think NU Carnival is explicitly yaoi.
No.13325
>>13324MasterLove, it's a term that comes from FGOfags that would be mad whether a character was for (The Player) or not and they'd be more into (another character, usually their corresponding myth beloved like Bryn and Sigurd). I think most gacha games have always been some onset of MasterLove though (basically the characters caring about the self-insert). It's just that after the hoyo meltdown, most post-pandemic normalfags got their taste of anime culture through gacha so they demand every character to be (For them).
LCfags have always been a lost cause because they are the very spitting image of 4chan chuds but inverse (everyone I don't like is a troon, god I wish a had a bf, why do stupid fujos make men I like gay reeeeee)
>>13320>>13322Reader inserts are the very epitome of just straight up self-inserting and just treating characters as jackoff material. At least the OC x Character yumes "bother" making autistic bullshit about their totally-not-me-mary sue insert but straight up y/n shit is the worst
No.13326
>>13325>making autistic bullshit about their totally-not-me-mary sue insert but straight up y/n shit is the worstI honestly can't get mad at mary sue writers/shippers. They've got a charm to them, and at least they're fun to roll your eyes at. I'd rather read about Sakura Starshadow with multicolored eyes and glitter hair, who suddenly woke up in Middle Earth and is going to marry Legolas and/or Draco Malfoy than y/n.
No.13327
>>13323Twisted Wonderland does a pretty good job of keeping the fujo/yume balance, granted it's not like they can get too explicit with anything because Disney.
No.13328
>>13324Nu:Carnival is explicit BL, but it's also a harem (only MC pairings) so it alienates fujos who don't care for harems or might not like the MC. The same dev team (but not creative team) is launching a new game that's currently in CBT that apparently is both harem and has pairings as well. So we'll see how that fares.
No.13329
>>13326How I wish the self insert OCs were still of that nature and not "he has transitioning trauma" x400. You gave your OC magic powers and a kitty fang and multicolored hair and deeply symbolic tattoos you can't have irl, and you decide to make their whole backstory "he's trans and he feels bad about it"? Where's Satan and the FBI and a secret parent of another race? Live a little, dammit.
>>13323>>13328>my dumb ass reading this as "male love interest is such a cancer" and "a new game that's currently in cognitive ball therapy" No.13330
>>13328Ooh, I didn't know NuCarni's dev team is working on a new game. What's it called?
No.13331
>>13330SensUltra. I'm personally not too keen on the art style but I try to give every BL gacha a try. Except Zerowake, not wasting my time with that one.
https://www.playhorny.com/en-US/game-list/14?
No.13332
>>13331That art style looks so bland. Power to people who like it, but I wish we had more options.
I see why people like mixed games only because games with a story pull more people, which means more fujos writing fics and making art, which also pulls more fans. I also think something not being a BL game generates more fan activity since you have to use your imagination more. Even with all the jrpgs announced I don't see anything hopeful for fujos with any new properties. Instead every property feels like it wants fujos out.
No.13334
I thought gay men couldn't possibly be misogynistic but after deep research I am now convinced they are even worse misogynists than straight men, I read plenty of horror stories of gays being creeps and telling to women that they're "just holes". How do I enjoy watching men make out after finding out that all men regardless of sexuality are literal apes with penises instead of brains? I don't think I want to be a fujo anymore, I would rather be a himejoshi when i'm not even attracted to women.
No.13335
>>13334I see BL boys as a separate species from real gay men tbh. There’s no dissonance for me.
No.13336
>>13335But me personally I couldn't enjoy a comic about a dog if I hated real dogs.
No.13337
>>13334Then do that? Not sure why separating reality from fiction is too difficult, terrible women exist too but that and an anime girl are completely different things, but if you dont enjoy something then its perfectly normal to stop participating and go away.
No.13338
>>13335Yeah, yaoi guys are so distinct from actual gay men, that even actual gay men's comics are a completely separate genre. BL boys are closer to women than they are to gay men—they're written by women, for women.
No.13339
>>13338Lets not go that far either, tbe "bl boys are basically women" is just as awful.
Can't there be something in between where a fictional character is simply… fictional?
No.13340
>>13337I'd call them out for underage but I've noticed 20-somethings mentally being stuck at 14. Because if you can't tell fiction from reality you shouldn't be engaging with yaoi.
Real men are real. Yaoi is for fictional men with easily understood personalities and nothing going on in their fictional heads beyond what the author has them say.
No.13341
>>13340It feels like this sort of thing is just more common nowadays, I recently found out about this problem when it comes to "first person" books, some people can't read them because "why is the book saying I would do something when I wouldn't do that?" While others could only read first person books because "Why would I read a book that isn't meant to be me?"
Its been a real eye opener finding out other people see it that way.
No.13343
>>13340>underage Reads more like concern trolling to me. Will not be surprised when cp spammer restarts over the next few days.
No.13345
>>13343>You said something dumb therefore you are a cp spammer ???
No.13346
>>13334They're not worse than actual straight men, they're all equally shit. You do need to learn to separate fiction from reality. Most women know that men are shit, but BL isn't meant to be about real men. Why do you think actual men hate BL so much? Because women who write BL don't portray men like actual real life men and that's why they hate it.
Think of it this way, all men hate women, even if they're attracted to them. Men who like 2d anime girls don't transfer their feelings of "love" for their waifu onto real women, they hate real women. So why assume fujos would give a fuck about real men because they like anime boys?
No.13347
How do you deal with the heartbreak of a ship getting ruined? Whether the official material does something unbelievably stupid that it not only kills the characters (as in, ruins their personalities or actions) but also the relationship they had or could've had if you kept speculating about it for years?
Like, when the ship you had in your head with only vague bits of information and a important connection just gets retconed or forgotten and in the end those two characters never end up being relevant or talk to each other again I guess.
Hard to explain.
No.13348
>>13347Ignore it! I do my best to erase things like that from my mind, and if it's bad enough, I'll stop reading/watching entirely—the series will remain forever unfinished to me. Canon functionally stops.
No.13349
>>13347I've more or less had this happen to a ship I had from a MMO where the writers seem to actively keep them away from each other and the key is either being grateful for the fun you had with it while it was untainted or have it continue in your head as "[media] if it was good". The latter was pretty easy for me because I've had this alternative narrative running before one half of the ship was even in the game.
>>13334They're men who don't have to mask up for access to pussy so I consider them more honest. The misogynistic ones are the loudest because they are basically gay incels who can't fuck even when the difficulty slider has fallen off the bottom of the gauge.
No.13350
>>13347I don't know what a series could do to "ruin" a ship for me, even if one of them ended up with someone else, if I thought the pairing was strong enough, that wouldn't dtop me from shipping it.
With long running series, like One Piece for instance, I have nostalgic memories but haven't kept up with them. So I just filter to the arcs I like and ignore the newer (possibly more canon-compliant) works I'm not interested in.
No.13351
>>13334>thought gay men couldn't possibly be misogynistic but after deep research I am now convinced they are even worse misogynists than straight meThen you're an idiot. Straight men murder, rape and do fucked up shit like child marriage.
No.13352
>>13351Gay men also do terrible things. Regardless of sexuality, any man can be vile and disgusting
No.13353
I swear to god we’ve had this exact discussion fifty times. Get new material nonnas.
No.13354
Anyone else having a hard time finding new stuff to fixate on? I can't help but feel a lot of stuff coming out nowadays just doesn't catch my interest. I can't tell if it's because I'm getting older or if most things just kind of suck now.
No.13355
>>13354I'm doing pretty okay tbqh.
I think people focus too much on there already being a major fandom and not enough on actually trying new content with slowly growing fandoms.
No.13356
>>13354I just pick a couple of things and fixate on them for the rest of my life kek.
No.13357
>>13354I come up with my own stuff when I feel this way, it carries me until the next hyperfixation. But yeah I feel this way too, was always picky and it's harder to find stuff that suits my tastes nowadays.
No.13358
>>13354I get you. I personnally go renew some of my old fixations. I guess that's what emotional attachement does to a fujo, especially in the modern scene.
>>13355I do try to connect with newer stuff too, but it just isn't the same.
No.13359
>>13354I'm at a point where I have one major fixation that I've been on for years because I don't feel like I have much time and energy for multiple ones and I don't have a positive opinion on fandom anymore so that also is a factor. A while back I got into Black butler for the first time and it could have become a fixation for me but the current state of the fandom makes me wish I had gotten into it much earlier.
No.13360
>>13359>the current state of the fandomYou're talking about the antis I presume?
No.13361
>>13354I feel this so much. I can’t into gachaslop or the popular new media franchises like hazbin hotel or alien stage. I think it’s an age thing because the characters/stories that appealed to me as a teen don’t have the same draw as an adult.
The average behavior of fans now is also a turn off. When you have adult obligations like job and bills, it makes you not want to hang around them.
No.13362
>>13360Not just them. I tried hanging out with the other side but I couldn't stand them either.
>Omg imagine if Sebastian pissed in Ciel's womb ♥ No.13363
>>13359I'm not into BB but I feel you nonna. I see it Sebaciel art sometimes and 99% of it is glorified lolishit.
No.13364
>>13354Recently broke a decade long streak of no new fixations (what "fixation" means to me compared to just being a fan: I am writing fanfic). Like you I thought it was just because I was getting older (I'm almost 40!) but what it seems to have been was shit just wasn't hitting for whatever reason. I've never considered my standards particularly high but the media I tend to brainrot about (manga/jrpgs) has really been missing the fujo catnip.
I had the luck to have had a couple juggernaut ships I could retreat into when I wanted fandom flavored stuff. I'd try on some of those if you haven't already to see if any of them stick. Sometimes popular things are popular for a reason!
No.13365
>>13362My fandom is like this kek. It's painful.
No.13366
I feel like I have the issue of being too degen for normies but not degen enough for the actual degens and end up fitting in nowhere.
No.13367
>>13366Same. I've played enough BL games that rape and general abusive dynamics aren't a big deal for me but I get grossed out by guro, bestiality and non-semen bodily fluid stuff like piss and lactation.
No.13370
>>13354I have the opposite problem. Whenever my depression gets bad I can't fixate on a single thing, I end up starting and binge reading like six things simultaneously, destroying all my sleep hygiene and leaving my eyes sore all day. It's like a switch flips in my head and I go from unable to sit still and focus to losing hours a session. Dealing with some awful tummy ache because I've been going to bed at 2AM, reading until nearly 6AM, waking up at 9AM, and not eating until 4PM.
Once I'm passed this I'll look at the ships I was foaming from the mouth over and wonder what the fuck I was on.
No.13373
I love, LOVE Japanese BL the most yet Japanese publishers are the ones who are notoriously, horrendously bad at importing the series. They never get translated and take forever to localize, you literally have to either be the BL queen breaking records to get your series translated 7 years past its prime or some bottom of the barrel scrapings whose license is cheap enough for some grifter publishing house to buy. I'm suffering so hard. Korean webtoons are plentiful to the point the market is painfully oversaturated but they're all awful in quality and with Chinese BL you'll have to read ten books worth of convoluted stories only for the couple to barely even kiss. It's no wonder so many weeb fujos just bite the bullet and learn Japanese solely to be able to read untranslated manga. Does anyone know where I can actually find scanlation groups and publishers for new BL manga?
No.13374
>>13373>It's no wonder so many weeb fujos just bite the bullet and learn Japanese solely to be able to read untranslated mangaI started this recently (December) and you'd be surprised how quick you can understand fanart/doujins. It's mostly sex noises and simple statements. Games/manga are more complicated and when I have to stop too much to look up kanji I can't properly enjoy them (but it does help you learn!). I'm kicking myself for not starting sooner. You should start too!
No.13376
>>13373They're terrible at importing anything in general, if we're still making a comparison with Korea there's a reason why kpop is way more widespread and popular than jpop and jrock and why almost nobody gives a fuck about jdramas but at least knows about kdramas. Even participating in all sorts of fan events irl in Japan sucks if you're not Japanese no matter how fluent you are in Japanese. BL manga in my country aren't too bad but publishing companies only focus on very recent successful manga and will just reprint long series like Junjou Romantica or Viewfinder as far as older BL manga are concerned. For anything in between you're better off pirating. Release dates are still crazy though and some volumes are full of typos. Personally I didn't start learning Japanese for this reason but it eventually became useful for BL, I'm far from fluent but knowing a little bit of Japanese helped me read buy and read doujinshi as well as navigate online fujo social media accounts. I don't know how necessary knowing Korean is to fully appreciate Korean pop culture as a whole but honestly if anyone here is passionate about Korean BL you may as well learn Korean even if it's just a little, you never know.
No.13379
>>13378Unfortunately it seems like most people in modern fandom spaces who are very openly into noncon and other "problematic" kinks are also into a billion grotesque fetishes too. I hate how extreme social media has made everything, everyone is either an oversensitive massive prude or has a hard-on for guro loli incest piss rape.
No.13380
>>13379Probably because the hardcore edgy people were never going to try to blend anyway because it's their entire personality while people who like a few darker tropes are more likely to hide that fact in order to keep their heads down.
No.13381
>>13379I fall in the latter camp I honestly dgaf its fiction who cares thats how I think I dont know if it's due to being a chan lurker for a decade or what but I literally dont care I seen way worse shit on the net this doesn't even faze me
No.13382
>>13381At the end of the day I don't care either, but it'd be nice to look for noncon or incest without being bombarded with a billion things I'm not really into
No.13383
>>13378I'm in the same boat. I like certain dark things, but not
incest. You're best bet is probably just finding people who are a bit crazier than you, but tag/label their stuff enough where you can filter out what you don't like. It's what I do at least.
No.13384
>>13373>>13376It was still pretty good when MangaPlanet/Futekiya was still around before Amerifag payment processors have killed it. They had a mix of new, ancient, classic and niche.
No.13388
>>13354I just came here to post this kek. I want to get into something new that has fanfic that's at least readable and not by teenagers, but it's hard because I don't like most live action. No new anime looks good for Bl shipping. There's older stuff, but I'm either tired of the fandoms or they don't really exist anymore. It's hard when everyone is on shitter and the site is even more broken and barely shows older tweets now.
>>13364Most media has gotten a lot less fujo friendly, especially anime. Even jrpgs don't have the fujo sauce unless they're remakes of old games. The most consistent fandom for fujos is Genshin Impact but I hate the writing of Genshin characters.
No.13389
>>13376Replying to myself just to say, Taifu, a French BL publishing company, just announced several of their series will run out of print. I curse this publishing company everyday because they suck ass in general but they're going to discontinue The Night Beyond the Tricornered Window if that's not already the case. I only have the first volume which I directly bought from them during a convention, and I can't read it online no matter how many times I try because the English translation was really off putting, so I guess it's time for me to buy all the volumes before it's too late. However, I went to a yaoi/yuri convention last year and found one of their discontinued BL manga directly in their booth, so fingers crossed I can find what I want this weekend. I wanted to spend that money on another manga but it's Slam Dunk, I know I can buy volumes for that one anytime.
They mentionned online that some of the manga they listed are already out of print, but I think it's just a reference to the atrocious way they handled Go for it Nakamura long ago and how the series is now handled by a separate Japanese publishing company so their contract doesn't matter anymore anyway (for French anons, they also implied another publishing company will translate, print and sell the series soon).
No.13401
The more I see yumes in gacha spaces shitting on fujos and being happy all the Chinese games don't have any BL bait, the more I dislike yumes. People are always telling us to unite but every single "female space" with yumes shits on fujos, from the joseimuke board on 4chan to lc to twitter. We have the least when it comes to media but people think fujos are eating good because of ao3 where most of the fics are for live action shows.
No.13402
>>13401Whenever I see yumes shitting on fujos, I just consider them yumes version of shit tenderqueer TIFs sjws antis. "Joining with yumes" only means joining with good, proship yumes against the retarded parts of us both. Yumes went through years of being told their shit was problematic and sexist by sjw and tenderqueer types, if they want to laugh at our schadenfreude at being called 'fetishists', I can't really blame them.
No.13403
>>13402>Yumes went through years of being told their shit was problematic and sexist by sjw and tenderqueer typesNTA but fujos have literally gone through the same, if not worse.
No.13404
>>13403Seconding this. The worst yumes ever got was being called cringe and accused of writing Mary Sues. Outside of Snapewives none of them were ever documented or dogpiled with the public scorn of an average fujo, especially now that so many normie women are online to defend it.
No.13405
>>13403>>13404There was the entire mainstream sjw moralfag backlash against Twilight and against romcoms in general, calling them problematic, sexist, heteronormative, rape culture, evil. Het romance has been targeted by the 'problematic' police for ages and ages and ages, in mainstream culture and thinkpieces. The hatred against women because we like romance starts with het.
Fujos got backlash and harassment from homophobes before, but you know that's different. The leftist moralfag "problematic police" backlash is new and is what the yume self-insert otome NL het enjoyers whatever you wanna call them have gone through for ages.
No.13406
>>13405I get what you mean because even now it seems like the romantasy genre and other popular books for women like Icebreaker are being treated similar to how Twilight was back then. "Haha look at these disgusting porn books for cringy women." It just sucks when yumes don't realise this and they shit on us either for pickme reasons or because they don't want us homoing their husbando.
No.13407
>get back into a childhood boomer anime
>check the fandom
>4 active people in it: an ayden and two asian fujos creating disgusting cuntboy shit and an insane non-sharing yume
it's depressing as a 30+ fujo to remember a time when things were different. it's a small fandom for a popular anime that's old and therefore dead but since there was an active fandom for it Back in the Day™ i assumed there might be one or two relatively normal people left creating content and fujoing out. nope.
i'd still find cuntboy shit disgusting but i'd be less upset if it was at least interesting but it's not, it's just the same cuntboy getting passed around like a blunt ad nauseam. do they give other characters vaginas? no, just the one they want to reduce to nothing but a sniveling rapebait uke/bottom (which feels misogynistic, and i'm not even a moralfag).
i imported some doujins for my OTP and it made me sad translating the artist notes and reading about the community that once existed. i feel so nostalgic for livejournal and even early tumblr. i'm an artist and a writer but i just don't see the point in publicly contributing what i create because i don't feel like there's an audience for it anymore. there's probably other fujos out there who lurk and wait for something worth interacting with but maybe that's just me coping.
No.13408
>>13402>>13405Fujos get the same hate for "all yaoi is toxic and rape" so I don't know what you're talking about. It clearly didn't result in any unity. Most of the anti fujo yumes I see love dark het romance, they just hate m/m because it's making their favorite male characters gay and they can't stand it. It's like expecting unity from lolicons or yuri fans. Everyone hates fujos and it's not because they care about being against hypocrisy. You're acting like it was fujos doing this to yumes and also not hetfags policing each other. Most of the moralfagging about "bad boy romances" come from other hetfags, not fujos.
No.13409
>>13407Maybe your canon will get an unexpected remake anime to revive the fandom or something anon. Keep the hope.
Cuntboy shit is so disgusting and foul. I hate that some yaoi sites allow it. It and tranny shit have replaced all the old-fashioned fun genderswap stuff I used to like on some characters and canons.
It's all their weird projection self-insert 'fetish for top scars and the trans progress' shit instead of anything fun.
No.13410
>>13409Anime remakes bring in the same people. Fandom culture has changed which is why you see more cuntboy shit. Everything is about self inserting or being about "issues" now.
No.13411
>>13410Yeah but you'd hope a mass of more people might bring in SOME other normal fujos.
No.13412
>>13407You can never know there is an audience or not, because normal people don't announce themselves and pester others to create stuff for them. I wish there were more fics for older stuff I enjoy, but what can I do? I'm just going to give likes to what is out there, not whine how my fandom needs are not being met.
>>13410>Anime remakes bring in the same peopleEh, not really. I wasn't familiar with the original Samurai Troopers anime, but watched the sequel and liked it. Likewise I watched/read older Devilman entries only after watching Devilman Crybaby.
No.13413
>>13407>no, just the one they want to reduce to nothing but a sniveling rapebait uke/bottom (which feels misogynistic, and i'm not even a moralfag).Oh absolutely. It's forced feminization, which is already misogynistic, taken to its 'logical' endpoint.
No.13414
>>13413>It's forced feminization, which is already misogynistic, taken to its 'logical' endpoint.They'd call you a misogynist for implying it's misogynistic, lmao
No.13415
>>13413I made the mistake of interacting with an Ayden once and noticed that they consistently made male characters that were emotional, vulnerable, and small/short cuntboys who wanted to be raped/impregnated by men. When I (jokingly) suggested making some bara characters that I like cuntboys I watched the woke leave their body and they were disgusted. It's so transparently misogynistic. A man who isn't hypermasculine and conveys strong emotions = woman, obviously, and anything else is wrong.
No.13416
>>13415I recently discovered a really good manhwa where the bottom is fucking PSYCHO and dominant and the top is very reserved and carries a lot of trauma, and the amount of blithering retards on mangago (I know, I know) who want the bottom to top is enraging. They all use the "SWITCH" to sound woke and oh so cultured, but it's because they cannot fathom a bottom taking complete control. It has to be the fucker not the fuckee doing everything. They see the top character as the natural submissive therefore female therefore fuckhole. It's so disgusting and misogynistic. You never see this ardent cry for switching with dom tops like in Jinx, only when the top isn't your typical abusive or charismatic dominant top. I fucking see what you're doing and you're not being sneaky.
No.13417
>>13405>There was the entire mainstream sjw moralfag backlash against Twilight and against romcoms in general, calling them problematic, sexist, heteronormative, rape culture, evil.The difference between this and what fujos go through is that it's really, REALLY easy to ignore mainstream/male critique whereas the harassment fujos face is coming from inside of their house (fandom spaces). The only het ships I can think of that ever got that kind of treatment were Reylo and something from The Pit(sp?) where a fic with a bi woman people aggressively hc as lesbian was with a man. I can't even think of a modern example of a yume getting harassed out of fandom space–even that lady who got shit for having Bakugo/self insert art is going on a decade old.
No.13418
>>13416Off topic but what's the name of it? I've been DYING for stuff with dom bottoms.
No.13419
>>13408>Most of the anti fujo yumes I see love dark het romance, they just hate m/m because it's making their favorite male characters gay and they can't stand itThis. I don't know where anon is getting this idea that only yumes have to bear the brunt with female-oriented media being ridiculed and moralized for being "immoral rape porn", fujos have to deal with that shit ten-fold and add to it yumes constantly pick fights because they feel homosexuality either emasculates their husbando or it steals their husbando away from them and now even new generation yurifags are screeching about fujos being muh male-centered misogynistic cockbreaths.
>Most of the moralfagging about "bad boy romances" come from other hetfags, not fujos.Also this. Fujos make fun of alpha CEO wolves raping petite bigtit (you) protagonists mostly as a reactionary tool when yumes try to come for them and shame them for their BL tropes.
No.13420
>>13402> if they want to laugh at our schadenfreude at being called 'fetishists', I can't really blame them.Why do we always have someone defending this shit now? Look at gacha communities. The incels hate all husbando fans, but the yumes rally around each other and are happy that fujos have no games to play. Being into self-inserting with male characters is more accepted as a "normal" female interest than being a fujo is. Why else do communities like lolcow welcome yumes but always sperg about fujos? They're the ones happy to throw fujos under the bus because like
>>13406 says, they don't like people homoing their husbando. It's much more common to see anti fujo arguments like "you're making this female character into a cuck by not shipping her with him!!"
>>13417Most proship yumes also don't defend fujos, which is why proship fujos trying to align with the loli crowd or the yume crowd are wasting their time. Some of the biggest "fujos are all male centered whores" people I see are LADS players, or they're really into dark het romances with a video game man, like Astarion. It's also never going to be the same when BL faces actual censorship that het romances don't.
No.13421
>>13418"Even In Your Death" by Jinan. Minyeong is very dominant and needy for his top. It's very entertaining.
No.13422
>>13417>it's really, REALLY easy to ignore mainstream/male critiqueDid no one else go to a bookshop with their friends when Twilight came out and stand around making fun of the book? It was a constant in every form of media at the time (newspapers, TV, internet forums, standup), even my college professors were talking shit to female students' faces accusing them of reading romance fiction during the summer break and that by doing so they had lowered their cultural value as human beings. You could not exist in society as a woman without someone trying to belittle you over the existence of women's lit, and any hint that you "read" just got you smeared under the same brush as the hetfags. I've been a shut in for about 10yrs now so IDK if it's changed any, but all the booktok "spicy literature" and whatever else on the news makes me think the stigma has never truly died.
For the longest the mainstream world didn't know fujos were a thing, so you could sit down and read the newspaper and remain totally unknown and unrelated to what they were shitting themselves over. Join in with laughing at the dumb romance fantasies that got popular. You could live a double life with your weeb shit hidden from everyone and nobody suspected a thing or asked any questions. That's changed. Now we've been added to the pile and dragged into this stereotype. Normalfags know on a surface level that fujoshi exist so there's less places free from dumb takes on it.
I get what you nona mean about online attacks being more direct and more personal, the post-covid shift in internet culture is destroying any niche pockets where fans can be free to enjoy themselves. But I think that anon meant that on a wider scale it's false to say hetfags "never experienced discrimination for their hobbies". They got bombarded irl for a good while with the persistent low level shit all women get and that was probably awful for normalfags who had nowhere to turn to. The answer should not have been to turn on other women in the spaces they found. It's true homophobes did pull this shit in the LJ days way back, but we had enough slash shipping spaces that we could laugh them out when they crossed the border. Now both sides are glaring at each other over a rope fence in the same damn paddock.
No.13423
>>13422>Did no one else go to a bookshop with their friends when Twilight came out and stand around making fun of the book?No that's wild. I was out of grade school when it was published (2008) so I think we're going to have to chalk this disagreement up to different lived experiences. Nobody in my life even remotely connected to lit at the time (the book girlies I was hanging with, my mom, randos in the bookstore, even the snooty male lit prof I had my freshman year) ever said a disparaging remark about it. Fandom space online was just Team Jacob or Team Edward shipwar stuff (from my perspective it was like Spuffy v Bangel part 2 lol). I am aware it was fuel for normie jokes in pop culture (even the Venture Bros had an Edward expy), but back then it really was as simple as change the channel and never tell your college professors that you were reading books for teens (they were gonna get your ass for anything that wasn't properly "literature" anyway).
>Now both sides are glaring at each other over a rope fence in the same damn paddock.This is so fucking funny. Real.
No.13424
>>13423Insane, not
>>13422 but it was a punching bag everywhere for a while, search "Hunger Games Twilight meme" and you'll see remnants of the sort of discussion that user is talking about. A lot of people felt the need to punch it down because it's "girly" and Hunger Games was seen a more action-packed female-targeted option. That's kind of why Team Peeta and Team Gale never caught on in the same way. Also remember "Still a better love story than Twilight?" Another meme specifically targeting the franchise for being girly.
It was a victim both of women who didn't want to be seen as shallow/vapid/dumb and men who could shit on it for being a female-targeted successful series. Admittedly I was in this anti-Twilight brigade
in hindsight it really is just attacking a property because it's aimed at young girls, I was just too young to identify it as primary motivated by sexism, internalized or otherwise.
>>13422When did fujoshi enter the public consciousness? I feel so out of touch, it had to have been recently. We've been a punching bag in anime circles for a while, but I can't think of anything specific in the normiesphere. Last I saw the thing people were shitting on was that Minotaur romance novel.
No.13425
>>13424>When did fujoshi enter the public consciousness?You have heated rivalry to thank for that + general post-covid population surge in online fan spaces.
No.13426
>>13422What are you even trying to say here? Yes, we know that everything women like is ridiculed and moralized to death. As fujos, we're well aware of that. You don't have to give us an entire rundown of it because we've absolutely lived through it, I personally was already an adult during the Twilight mania. Should we excuse yumes being unnecessarily abrasive towards us just because Twilight was controversial 20 years ago?
>it's false to say hetfags "never experienced discrimination for their hobbies". "Discrimination" kek. Words have meanings, you know. Nonna here
>>13420 said it best, hetslop will never face the same censorship BL does. Even in the most liberal countries portraying gay relationships is still a taboo to an extent or at least an uncomfortable anomaly (just look at how much Heated Rivalry is being endlessly dissected for muh gay man fetishization), and in China you can still get jailed for writing BL. The major moral controversy with Twilight came from Christian watchdog groups anyway due to its association with vampires and thus occult rather than the "dark" romance. And with 50 shades of gray the concerns over it were drowned by the mainstream mostly clowning on its corny writing, even if there actually was a real discussion to be had with it romanticizing BDSM relationships to emotionally vulnerable women self inserting into the protagonist. And if we want a more recent example, LaDS has been causing controversy due to assumed double standards, as in "oh so when WOMEN have a fictional boyfriend tracking their period it's not gooning, but when MEN rape lolis in their sex games it's suddenly a gooner game, harrumph!!!". Is it a symptom of female media being devalued, held to higher moral standards and facing disdain for things that male media would never? Absolutely. Is it "discrimination"? Hell no.
No.13428
>>13424In extra hindsight, what you mean by the franchise "being girly" literally means
"self insert fantasy romance where two chads fight for winning my hand"
so no shit people in the early 2000s mocked it, if it came out now, everyone would love it, and it would probably have Edward rape Bella too lol
Both twilight and fifty shades of grey got a lot of hate when they both came out for being horny fantasies, some of fifty shades's hate was somewhat hidden as "oh it's not healthy bdsm!1" as if people reading fiction want "healthy bdsm".
I personally never cared about either.
No.13430
>>13428Why is everyone forgetting the mockery of Twilight was mostly because of the sparkly vampires? 'Lol Edward watches her sleep' and the bad writing was pretty secondary to 'lol silly girls are making vampires too sexy and harmless'. It's the outliers who get mainstream notoriety/popularity that people mock the most, Fifty Shades being another one, love triangle YA novels were always everywhere but few had anything as memeable as Twilight or 50 Shades. Meanwhile, those new romantasy books seem to be pretty low hanging fruit for the sex and monsterfucking which are vanilla for someone who's been on Ao3 but make average randoms gawk.
No.13431
>>13430The sparkly vampire are just a symptom of the fact that it's media designed to appeal to a female romance demographic and it's still being shat on from that angle along will calling it "gay". I agree though it's only the fact that it got so big that people insulted it, otherwise it would have flown under everybodies nose because it's incredibly boring lol. You can throw more competent works like Notebook and they still get shat on because people need to assert that they don't like that girly shit. It doesn't matter how good or bad the material is.
Carlisle/Charlie and Jasper/Edward are better pairings fyi. Jaspar in particular is a terribly wasted character.
>>13428Yeah I think people would be way more kind, and the books would be softcore porn. I'm shocked that my coworker just openly admits to reading "shifter" novels at work the landscape has changed so much.
No.13432
Love and Deepspace devs had to reassure their fanbase that all the LIs are totally heterosexual but sure, tell me how much more power fujos have over yumes and how much pandering we're getting.
No.13433
>>13432You want low hanging fruit from a hyper capitalist country where you have no value besides debt inducing gacha?
Okay then.
LADS isn't the hill you want to die on. At least pick a game where the goal isn't to make you whale on a wibbly wobbly png
No.13437
>>13422>implying that it was fujos doing this>implaying like these same yumes don't rally against fujos whenever its time to shit on yaoi fujoshi hate always pops up whenever something m/m always gets big. there's no more exclusive spaces, and the fact that there are none for fujos anymore is why you can see all the groups that hate us. there's even less pandering from every corner of media because they don't want guys shipped together.
No.13439
>>13432>>13433Yeah, China is a unique brand of insane. Chinese fujos just got a French edition cover of TGCF changed because the artist has drawn one of the main guys with someone else or some shit.
No.13440
>>13439A microscopic evil part of me wishes they could've done this for the SVSS English artist just bc she annoys me on a personal level. I think what inspired this hypervigilance was an incident that was talked about here before of I think the English edition only having the main couple on one of its covers for MDZS meanwhile in the other versions it's nearly all of them (?).
No.13444
>>13433It proves a lot about how yumes mostly shit on fujos and agree with misogyny towards fujos. Even look at the joseimuke board on /vmg/. Everyone shits on fujos and I'm tired of nonnas here with no spine acting like its justified or not an issue with Western fandom too.
No.13445
>>13440The English reprint collector's edition dared to put the MC's brother on the cover of one volume, that's what caused the rioting. The first English print edition only had the main couple on every cover even when they weren't relevant to/together in the part of the story in that volume, so the publisher tried to make the collector's edition reflect more of the cast in other areas of the story. Chinese fujo reacted by flooding everything with vomit emoji and claiming they wouldn't buy a limited edition US product because "America is homophobic".
Honestly the western danmei fandom is crazy too. MDZS kiddies lost their absolute shit with 7S over the font for the title on the first print editions, then over TGCF's font because it "looked like Disney's Aladdin" and "made the series appear child friendly." They campaigned against Barnes and Noble for putting books in the manga section too. This year they had a total meltdown and stormed a translator, I forget if she deleted her socmed as a result, but they were all furious at a name being romanized with like one vowel difference from what they were used to in the fan translation. It was like "why is An being translated as Aan it has deep significance in Chinese vocal intonations!!" They were seriously pissed and writing essays about how disrespected they were because a preview page had an alt spelling as approved by the author and seen on official prints.
No.13446
>>13445I was there for peak western insanity through Steven Universe suicide bullying. But for the most part, whenever I read about gacha players sending death threats of danmei fans ranting like insane people on blogs, it's so weird. As though it's not real. Because it's that absurd.
I often think about what could happen if they were ignored. It would be a monetary loss, but when would fans actively leave their apartments, march to HQ and actually physically try to bring someone to harm? JK Rowling gets all kinds of hate every single day and she literally shows how much she made and drinks haters tears. For how much China is supposedly cracking down on yaoi, these people seem to act like they're the top marketable clients.
In no way shape or form am I saying that they should ignore them, I just think it's odd to act so crazy over these things when your government is actively trying to find you and press criminal charges because you love gay shit.
No.13447
>>13446>physically try to bring someone to harmLike everything else in China you can do that digitally. All they have to do is to report you to the censorship police (via browser or app, at your convenience) and if you're mainstream or lucky enough, you just have to edit your content to fit official requirements. Unlucky small creators have their entire accounts wiped and their sources of income obliterated. Even bigtime creators like MXTX have landed in jail (if you believe the rumours).
No.13448
>>13447How could I forget the social credit system. Which makes the entire drama even worse. They aren't protected or supported, so, acting this obsessive feels like stabbing someone and telling the police they punched you first. Not my culture, I cannot claim to get it.
No.13452
>>13448It's an enforceable "stop liking what I don't like" so I imagine it feels better than orgasming.
No.13456
>>13455The perineum is a part I find really hot so it annoys me when artists draw it wrong
No.13457
>>13455Very likely the same reason the fourteen year old girl who's never seen a boy naked writes asses like pussy. Also very possible that they have and they think it's gross to draw it correctly.
No.13459
>>13455Is it wrong to get horny from a medical diagram? The angle of the dick resting on its balls feels really erotic.
No.13460
>>13456Same, I like when that area gets messed with too and it makes the other person squirm.
>>13457Which makes sense to me since women have much smaller anogenital distances and people tend to write from their own experiences. I really hope it's not the latter because that feels like TIF adjacent logic… The amount of anuses in nut sacks I've seen that just look like vaginas are pussies.
>>13459Kek, I get that tho. Since mostly women write/draw BL there's not much BL art of a penis in a comfortable relaxed state like this that's anatomically accurate so it is nice and novel to look at.
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>>13455seeing this makes me wanna lick it. sorry nonnas.
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>>13461Do you think there would be a reaction from the dick if it was caressed?
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>>13462Yeah this is autistic, but I'm imagining my OC / oshi getting caressed and softly moaning and then having his perineum licked. It just looks soft and inviting.
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Sometimes I feel like sperging out about my NOTP here but I'm afraid of either A) making NOTP shippers come out of the woodwork to defend it or 2) being easily recognizable. It already happened to me before that some of my posts here were traced back to "me".
I wish it was more "acceptable" to just say why you don't like something. Sure, people will keep saying "um why don't you focus on things you like instead!!!" yeah but sometimes I wanna say how xy fucking sucks you know? I wish I could find likeminded people that also dislike xy and while you may definitely find people if you are brave enough to say your opinions, it also comes with the disadvantage of those you don't like to begin with getting more uppity.
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>>13464sperg out about your NOTP. DO IT!
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>>13464>but sometimes I wanna say how xy fucking sucks you know? I understand, especially if it's the juggernaut and your OTP is the underdog. If we are on opposite sides of the war I promise not to be mean!