No.12715
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>>10865Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.12793
This is a rant specifically towards blank slate MCs (persona, FE, pokemon, gachashit, etc).
There are MCs that have some hints of personality to them even if they're meant to be glorified self-inserts, but if you go too far off the deep end and just imagine said MC doing shit that has nothing to do with what they are as (barely) a character then what's the point of liking them? Doesn't that mean you just like your OCfied version of them, not the actual character?
I don't know how to explain this properly. I unfortunately have played a lot of games that have blank slate MCs given that they're jrpgs and usually character/MC or MC/character are the most popular ships. Some interpretations of the MC are interesting and still remain canon-adjacent with what little personality they have, but when someone twists that MC to be something completely far off the canon, how does that make it any different from self-inserting?
Do people just by default end up happening to like self-inserting through maleMCs in these MC/Chara - Chara/MC ships? There are some that I've liked, but I've never self-inserted through the MC be it bottom or top. But nowadays, I'm liking blank slate MC ships less and less.
How do nonnas here deal with those types of ships?
No.12794
Some users here are worse than tiktok kids.
Depending on the topic, there's an unwillingness to consider nuance or more than a single meaning.
No.12795
>>12794Hey Vagueposting Queen, give examples.
No.12796
>>12794Is this about
shota?
No.12798
>>12794I wish users here would post less tranny bitching and more what they're reading/watching/shipping, there's only so many times you can state the obvious is bad.
No.12800
>>12798Me too, but I understand why - most fandom spaces will sadly treat any tranny hate or simply questioning as sacrilege, so this is one of the only "safe spaces" where women interested in shipping/fandom culture can say they're sick of trannies without having to worry about being doxxed or targeted by trannies and their supporters.
But even then too much of it gets tiring, and this isn't supposed to be an imageboard dedicated to hating trannies, it's about enjoying BL/yaoi.
No.12801
>>12800I've brought up FFXIV in past threads because they took a perfectly good yaoi set up and keep giving one of them cunts. But it's worse now because one of the lead characters of the current storyline was voiced by a man. With a shitty performance. So if you make any criticism of the game now, you are a transphobe.
All I wanna do is scream because it drives me batty every day.
Also not the anon you're replying to.
No.12802
>>12793Even outside blank slate mcs, there's definitely a lot of fandom favorites and ships who are popular exactly because there's so little to them and everyone goes wild with personal interpretations, headcanons, AUs, etc, and you get the same OC-ification at times too. But then again, you can also get it with more developed characters, it's just more likely to happen with characters that have little to them and when there's a character creator it's even more likely.
In pokemon specifically the most iconic MCs are all from before customization was introduced and it's probably not a coincidence.
No.12805
>>12793I get what you mean. The line can be blurred sometimes because there's some extreme personality changes that could work for me like making a character more yandere than in canon. If the original personality is bland enough I could take it as a side they don't usually show to people and in this case it wouldn't feel like a self insert as much as just the author's fetish and I enjoy it because it's my fetish too.
>>12798You're not wrong. Whenever I see it happening I try to counteract it by posting something positive.
No.12806
>>12800>this is one of the only "safe spaces" where women interested in shipping/fandom culture can say they're sick of trannies without having to worry about being doxxed or targeted by trannies and their supportersThis is why I can't begrudge them too much. Even if you aren't transphobic there is no woke way to say "I am not interested in pussy flavored yaoi". Like I recognize
>>12801 based on what she is talking about and I know if I was excited about a cute male character getting more story spotlight and the fanworks overwhelmingly depicted him as a trans man I would be seething 24/7.
>>12804While I wasn't in the fandom I remember it being really big (I used to beta read a girl's Yuki/Kyo fanfics haha) but I feel like so much of it is simply lost to time.
No.12807
I've been thinking lately that making fujo friends comes with two layers of difficulty because not only do you have to be into the same pairing within a fandom, you have to be into the same top and bottom alignment or have at least one person who's flexible on it. Hell, even then you may still disagree with each other's characterisation.
No.12808
>>12804i was in furuba fandom in the early 2000s and i remember yukikyou being relatively big, but honestly not as big as you might imagine? my time in this fandom was even before the manga was finished, so people were still talking about whether tohru would end up with yuki or kyou. other yaoi ships within the series were much more popular, because the majority of fans at the time were shipping tohru with one of the main boys and fighting over it. i remember from the 2001 anime, yuki and hatsuharu were pretty popular together lmao.
anyway, i feel like much of the yuki and kyou ship works were on old jp websites like fc2web or on livejournal, so basically dead.
No.12818
>>12793I hate blank slate mcs and it's why I hate the plague of gachas. These mcs are never interesting and then I'm cursed seeing a male character I actually like becoming an orbiter for a self insert, which I hate. I don't even like the self insert mcs from jrpgs like Persona or Fire Emblem, but they're even worse in shit like Genshin and Wuwa. No to mention any mc baiting means dealing with yumes who sperg out about fujos because they hate seeing their husbando as gay.
No.12820
It's probably a factor of growing up but proship/antiship permeating online spaces has made fandom not fun anymore. Everything is problematic to someone and that justifies being quartered and hanged apparently. It's petty but I feel schadenfreude seeing the same people who uphold this surveillance state kind of culture onto others cry about it when it happens to them.
No.12821
>>12820This is exactly why I don't bother in fandom spaces anymore outside of small groups of friends. It's so exhausting and not worth it, and COVID made this behavior even worse. I know deep in my heart it will never get better either.
No.12823
Is it me or the hate against fujos is getting worse from yumetards & yuritards?
Sometimes, some straight ship fanarts can came out shitty if female character treating male characters like badly written tsundere shit, what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?
No.12824
>>12823Yeah. Yumetards and yuritards successfully learned the retarded socjus vocab and sense the 'fujos are fetishizers' discourse bubbling up every month so we're prime targets.
No.12825
>>12824>Yumetards and yuritards successfully learned the retarded socjus vocabbecause woke places are the only place where they are not mocked, yuritards are mostly trannies and everybody knows now, and yumetards are known for LADS autism and the morning glory milking farm book, these people cope by venting on us even thou they are the biggest lolcows.
No.12826
>>12823In addition to that, while I wouldn't exactly call it "hate", I've noticed an increase in casual bashing of yaoi/fujos by creators I follow. Light but very frequent "it would be better if it was le epic yuri amirite" type comments. It's gotten annoying enough that I do unfollow and cancel my ko-fi/etc subs (if applicable) when I see it. It just gets the ick all over a person's art.
No.12827
Saw someone saying yaoi men look like women or kids as if 90% of yuri wasn't about schoolgirs. At least there was some yume catching strays because she shipped herself with Ivan from alien stage and everyone knows he's gay. I don't care if someone yumes a gay character but that's for equality. I feel like fujos are the most hated group of women now and it all comes from misinformation and moral signaling but in a womanly way "at least i'm better than those perverted fujoshis" it's just prezented differently than just calling woman a whore
No.12828
>>12827>I feel like fujos are the most hated group of women nowIn all fairness, women who are openly radfems are probably hated more than your average fujoshi who doesn't express radfem views so at least there's that, kek.
No.12830
>>12827>Saw someone saying yaoi men look like women or kidsIn this current era of dorito manhwa men built like brick shithouses?
No.12831
>>12828Im both pf those women, now what?
No.12833
>>12824>fujos are fetishizersOnce you accept this isn't a bad thing their opinions stop mattering. Stop caring what they think, these people do not want you to enjoy yourself.
No.12836
>>12823>what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshit
>>12824>fujos are fetishizersI love fetishizing gay men and will do so for the rest of my life. Literally everyone who consumes romance or porn would be a fetishizer in some way based on this retarded discourse logic though.
>>12827>At least there was some yume catching strays because she shipped herself with Ivan from alien stage and everyone knows he's gayThe real problem is moralfaggotry and people conflating fiction and reality. I stand with the Ivan yume. I'm okay with yumes who send Aoba to gay conversion camp if I never hear about "b-but you are erasing the female characters you misogynist!" ever again.
No.12837
>>12836>I'm okay with yumes who send Aoba to gay conversion camp if I never hear about "b-but you are erasing the female characters you misogynist!" ever again.That's the problem though: they won't stop screeching about no females in BL or your fanart or fics. So until they learn to shut up, I'll call them homophobic gay converters or fetishizers or whatever will get them to cut themselves. I really don't care about them yume'ing gay characters, but because they're so insistent and moralistic, I will throw insults back at them because I am petty and done with being a nice fujo.
I had a hettie bettie gendie try to undermine my ship by claiming one of them was "ace in canon" even though the media the characters are in is highly interpretive. Sure enough I found out she ships the straight ship. I see your agenda, tendie bitch.
No.12838
>>12827>it all comes from misinformation and moral signaling but in a womanly way "at least i'm better than those perverted fujoshis" It's misogyny, plain and simple, those women who do it are the biggest example of misogynistic women, they throw other women under the bus to feel better and to fit in.
No amount of self inserting into anime girls will make them not misogynistic
No.12839
>>12836>Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshitUsually I shipped both BL and Hetships, as long as the shipper respected male character & make the hetship wholesome, I'm used watching 'gender equality' where the male charas grew some balls & fight back against tsundere bitches. Some hetshippers are misandristic, lashing out on male charas, insert herself as fem chara to use him as punching bag, that's someshit I hated actually.
No.12840
>>12837I don't have an inherent issue with yumeshipping and don't want to be hypocritical. I want the internet to be less judgemental and won't contribute to that.
>>12839You can have your own preferences, but there's no moral issue with female characters beating up male characters. Or any characters beating up other characters.
No.12841
>>12840I don't have an issues with the concept of yumes either because most people, me included, have had times where we yume a character and want a relationship/lust after them. However the vitriol fujos are getting is ridiculous and I'm just tired of being thrown under the bus.
Back then Mary Sues were mocked and writers and artists were bullied for it. I cannot help but to wonder what the fandom world between hetties, yumes, and fujos would be like now if girls and women were not bullied over silly, harmless wish fulfillment all those years ago
No.12845
>>12836>what's the point of shipping if she treats him like a punching bag?>Honestly based as someone who also likes hetshitUsually I get the fictional men vs real men thing but hating men and shipping straight ships makes no sense. it unironically makes more sense to hate men and ship yaoi in a weird way.
>as long as the shipper respected male character & make the hetship wholesomeNot necessarily wholesome but it's always annoying to see an angry man and an angry woman being romantically involved, because it always ends with the male being forced to take the shit because he is madly in love or some other excuses, while people pretend the woman is saint and at the same time spit fire on any other woman in the same story.
No.12849
>>12837>So until they learn to shut up, I'll call them homophobic gay converters or fetishizers or whatever will get them to cut themselves.I've been trying to figure out how to do something similar: effectively calling them racist for shitting on a genre pioneered by asian women.
No.12858
>>12857Gay robots too niche even for this board. tl:dr: fan couple made canon in a comic run only fans of their ship read (saw on tumblr and did not buy the comic) and in a new universe, they're back with less substance than ever!
No.12859
>>12858>gay robotsNow you've got me curious.
No.12861
Sometimes I feel like another person in a fandom has done everything there is to do with a pair and there's no reason for me to even create anything because of the sheer number of works they've contributed. I don't know how people in those large decade-spanning fandoms do it.
No.12863
>>12861Sometimes a fic comes along 20 years later and supercharges a new meta for better or worse (like All The Young Dudes). Some fandoms are so large a writer might not even know they have essentially rewritten an old fic beat by beat. Also, to be a hater: sometimes it feels like they've done everything there is to do with a pair BUT actually be in the canon setting. :^)
>>12856I'm so sorry anon.
No.12865
>>12858>fan couple made canon in a comic runIs this a western property? I feel like western works tend to look at fan reception of things a lot more to directly pander to shippers and fans if the fans are extremely vocal about it. It doesn't happen at all in japanese works but I've seen it happen time and time again whenever I hear anything about a cartoon or a western thing
No.12870
>>12869If this is about the project hail mary movie, I know nothing about it but I've seen more Ryan Gosling/rock yaoi on my tl than anything else, rejoice nonna
No.12872
>>12869>>12871I got nothing against crack ships but it's really disappointing that the biggest ship is Ryan Gosling/Markiplier (I enjoyed Iron Lung but I couldn't see him as Simon, he was just Markiplier to me. Gosling I was able to see as Grace, as an actual character). Grace and Rocky have such a sweet relationship,
the scene where Grace almost dies and Rocky sacrifices himself to save him, that really made by doomed yaoi radar go off. I really see them as soulmates, so for most fans to just wanna see attractive guy x attractive guy instead of actually shipping based on dynamics really sours the fandom for me. I guess a lot of people see Rocky more as a wacky pet more than an actual character with complex emotions? Which is ironic because Rocky is much more qualified and smart than Grace for the mission, if anything Grace is the pet.
No.12873
>>12870>>12872I've seen a lot of him and the rock so I almost want to watch it just for the ship since non-human x human is my guilty pleasure.