No.5694
Finally one thread on Fujochan has reached a bump limit! Hooray!
Old thread
>>79 No.5695
>>5693we really need to popularise tobacco-free cigarettes, the aesthetic is so sexy but the smell of most brands and the obvious health risks are such a turn-off, cigs really suit edgy characters though
No.5697
An artist I initially followed for a BL ship I enjoy has been subjecting one of the guys to breast growth lactation fetish art. I'm torn between wanting to unfollow and not unfollowing cause her older vanilla BL art is still good.
No.5699
>>5678Yeah I come here to chill out. Lolcow has been getting increasingly hostile over the past few years (and I've been there since it opened) and it's gotten exhausting to read with the autistic hyperfixation on trannies and fujos and the weird amount of actual misogyny. The fujo thread there has been unreadable for months now since it's been taken over by Rancefag and her discord buddies keeping it hostage by bullying out everyone who tries to discuss anything else but Slow Damage or Dramatical Murder. On Fujochan at least you have multiple threads to browse instead of being locked in by people who most likely aren't even fujos but just yumes into ryona, and I don't even mind the slow pace because it encourages people to write out thoughtful replies instead of shitposting.
No.5700
Since lc won't be back today like initially planned and I don't have a lot of things to do at work until maybe next week I'll keep reading more books in my backlog. I read a lot more than usual this summer, and right now I'm in the middle of the 12 kingdoms. I finally read all the physical copies of BL manga I have so far and sold the ones I didn't like that much. Same for nonfiction books, some were very interesting but I sold them because I wanted more space on my shelves. Tomorrow I'll finally dust off the second hand copies of Angel Sanctuary I bought in 2020 but that I kept putting aside for other series instead of "working" at home. Or maybe I'll finally start Magic Knight Rayearth first. So maybe lc being down isn't too bad even if it's very annoying.
>>5697Mute her without unfollowing her if you hesitate that much. What if you want to check her old art at some point but by then she made her account private or she changes her id? That's why muting can be a solution.
No.5701
>>5697Sometimes you just have to let go, nonnie. I've unfollowed artists who have moved from drawing BL to dickgirls/traps/oneeshota because once they start doing that chances are there isn't going back anymore and they'll only start deviating further away from what you initially followed them for.
No.5702
>>5696 fellatio from ginpachi sensei must be crazy, imagine the dick starts to smoke from the tip
No.5707
Sorry to drag this out but this is practically bait.
>>5684>no anons addicted enough to get withdrawal symptoms when it goes down>no real feeling of connection to motivate activity>nothing much for newfags to integeate intolol lmao. It might not mean anything to you, but users who've been here over a year, or even a few months, have experienced longing during downtime and expressed feeling excited and relieved when the site returned. It's been a pretty big part of fc's history, even randos on /a/ are aware of what happened.
Different sites serve different forms of discussion and fujochan has its verbose niche which people aren't finding elsewhere due to the shift in wider internet culture, that's why we care about having this outlet. Personally I love venting about trends in BL or fandom, or making concept proposals, and coming back the next day to see if anyone shared my sentiments or enjoyed my writing. People are helpful and put a lot of thought into their messages. It is what forums and LJ used to be but without the need to validate yourself through post counts or decorations.
The worst thing you can do re: integration is turn up complaining and being rude. If you are amicable and discuss a raised point then by the wonders of anonymity nobody needs to guess you arrived yesterday. Bossing people about and saying they have no personality only marks yourself as an outsider. It is especially daft when other users are telling you otherwise and you insist on knowing the topic you haven't researched.
>>5697Thirding the use of the mute function. You might lose track of them or forget them if you unfollow completely. It's far less aggravating if you can make a once weekly scroll through their media tab than having unwanted material pop up on your feed.
>>5700I really ought to go through and clear out some old books. Lately I'm more cautious about pirating a digital copy to see if I like a BL first, but I still have many manga that I'm never going to read again.
I do regret selling all my copies of Gravitation some years ago. The new translation will no doubt be miles better than the old Tokyopop one, but they're rare and a true relic of the 00s era. It won't be nearly as easy to compare versions.
No.5708
>>5693Do you guys really hate the smell? I love the smell of a cigarette. Non-smoker here.
I like the smell of it on wood and on skin. Not so much in carpets though, that stinks.
No.5709
>>5708There's a very short list of cig smells I like but I've never determined the brand or type.
I found some nice pics when looking for Gintoki and the gacha fujosisters are eating good with Tokyo Debunker. Is there a smoking thread somewhere on the boards?
No.5710
>>5709I don't think we have a smoking boys thread but I'd be for one.
>>5708I actually like the smell and find it a bit nostalgic since my late father was a pipe smoker, but its such an expensive and terrible habit I can't stand the idea of people willingly throwing away money to get cancer.
No.5712
>>5710I started a Smoking thread -
https://fujochan.org/ot/res/5711.htmlIt did say flood detection when I try to post more images (and I was in a 5 minute cool-off period).
No.5717
Don't wanna clog up the Stupid yaoi memes thread so I'm gonna post a reply to 4429 here:
It'd be pretty funny if this is in response to Jamjam cause I dislike that artist's works too. Aside from what you mentioned he also turns pretty much every female character into the same bland personality waifu with a copypaste big titty body and a different head on top.
No.5719
I have a few meetings at work this morning and after that I can do whatever I want and nobody will know because I'm working from home. Do I start Angel Sanctuary or the first half of Magic Knight Rayearth? I have all the volumes for Angel Sanctuary but only 3 volumes of Magic Knight Rayearth for context and if I like that series enough I'll buy the other half.
No.5721
>>5720I doubt I can read all of Angel Sanctuary in one day, I assume I'll be contacted by coworkers from time to time to help them with small tasks so I have to check my laptop from time to time. I could read the whole thing in a few days though.
No.5723
>>5717KEKKK RIGHT ON THE DOT im shooketh that you got the exact artist. sperge incoming
it was so bad i literally spazzed out about it (privately). like the personal vendetta ran deep enough to change my preferences to have derplander take it up the ass ONLY (usually im lenient of riba) just to spite the retarded gposers and gooner artists like him that use him as a stand in for coomer slop. i wish i can convince myself its not that deep; to just block and move on with my day but the hate is so stifling its bordering alog territory.. i now understand the extreme rage of schizo yumes seeing their husbando with another person FUCK. i dont even necessarily dislike him in nonBL relationships, I just hate it when hes some stand-in pervert character instead of the kind hero image he has in the little screen time he has (and scrote behaviour/patterns in general. the entire genre of harem anime always a stand in mc character that has some personality to hold a plot but not too much so hes a perfect blank face for coomers to project on) and yes personal vendetta about derplander aside, his drawing of women are atrocious and he should be sent to hard labour for being a waste of artistic resources that couldve went to talented fangirls with creative mind and productivity to benefit the fandom. he should be mining the lithium mines that constructs the drawing tablets that the superior fangirl shall use to hone her passion. while fangirls draw macabre, touching comics about their wol lore, all scrotes do is shit up the art tags with the same hentai blow up doll dommy mommy yshtola slop again and again. theyre probably the same ingame sperges that shit up duty finder because they cant do their basic 1-2-3 rotation due to the coom sperge over, pic tax for tolerating my autism
No.5724
>>5719I second reading Rayearth. It's a lot shorter than Angel Sanctuary so you can read it in less than a day, a few hours at most.
No.5725
>>5722Oh no! That plot twist. Kind of a risqué PSA, though I don't get yaoi vibes from just that I can see this scenario as the set up for a dark series.
No.5728
>>5725>Kind of a risqué PSATo be fair they don't show anything so it's no where near the level of the genuinely fucked up thirdie PSAs, it's pretty much on par with the infamous Sonic sez one.
Though I was wondering if Japan has ever done manga PSAs? Closest I can think of is the one about surviving earthquakes that was given out by the government but obviously that's not on the level of the drug/molestation PSAs that you see in a lot of other countries.
No.5730
>>5728FKMT did a government psa about the dangers of synthetic marijuana
No.5731
>>5723I totally understand because aside from my personal feelings there's also a fandom artist I know, who is on three of the same XIV adjacent discords that I am on too, who has grumbled quite a bit whenever someone would post Jamjam art in the art channels. I never complained much myself cause it's not like I can beat any coomer allegations with the amount of gay catboy porn I've consumed in all my time in the fandom and the art I've commissioned of my Viera bottoming for the guys I ship him with.
No.5732
>>5731At least your coomer art has soul! Looking at jamjam's post it's the same punchline, same waifu shtick every single time, even in his supposed serious "comic series" he just can't help but sneak in vacuum sealed ass fold in a tense moment on the female characters.
Maybe I just have an extreme bias, but there's is a miles difference to female coomerism and male coomerism, e.g. even the most perverted fangirl has some understanding and grasp of a character, meanwhile male coomer artist just pastes x female character on the same sex doll body type and *maybe* insert a waifu trope like tomboy or goth girls as ""variation"". Coomer moids are simple minded things anyways so a trope change is a deep and entirely different character to their standards.
No.5734
>>5732nta but i totally agree, the average sexy anime moid drawn by a woman still has character and accurate proportions, there's usually a blend of that artist's specific style along with a portrayal of the character's personality, even in the most smutty bl there's still a dynamic between the two leads and clear characterisation even if unrealistic
anime women drawn by moids are usually stripped of all that and depicted in the usual cutesy/big tiddy art style and made to behave completely ooc if they're a canon character, like if you find a character attractive wouldn't you want their characterisation and behaviour to be faithful to the source? fujos will painstakingly write a 300k fic about their husbandos the same quality and accuracy as the original source mental and study proportions and expressions to lovingly make their anime man sex look delicious whilst smelly moids will bust their nut to a massive titty/wide hip version of fucking Makima as she gets railed by faceless men. Women can be pervs too but at least we're actually creative about it
No.5735
>>5707>users who've been here over a year, or even a few months, have experienced longing during downtime and expressed feeling excited and relieved when the site returnedI can confirm this is my case, because everytime I want to post about specific topics it's when fc is down for several weeks, it's beyond frustrating.
>It is what forums and LJ used to be but without the need to validate yourself through post counts or decorations.True. Nowadays if you want to talk about BL online you can mostly do it on social media but it's very different. There are plenty of fujoshi on twitter but also plenty of zoomer ironic weebs just posting memes about being based fujoshi but then posting about how actually reading or watching BL is "gross"
why always that specific word I will never know and fetishizing men, the actual fujoshi are hiding to avoid them so good luck finding them, and then instagram is image and video based so good luck posting detailed texts there. Discord has the same people I mentioned so I never really tried to use it that much, it seems like if you don't already know people with similar tastes or hobbies as you you'll be unlikely to find a good server that fits what you're looking for. If you can understand Japanese and/or Korean twitter is still good but nowadays it has a bunch of technical issues and apartheid clyde is actively ruining the entire website on purpose so some Asian fujoshi have already created bluesky accounts as backup.
fc might be slow but it's exactly what I've wanted for a long time.
No.5738
>>5732>>5734Yeah, the amount of content for men that's vapid as hell copypaste jobs far, far outweighs what exists for women. We might get sameface rainbow hair idol casts out the wazoo, but even those are focused on character types and never just "dick good". The artists making gacha game porn on the fujo side are near 100% players of the game they're drawing from and have something to say on it. The motivation comes from the source material.
That said I've seen my fair share of true delusionals over the years. Girls who feel weirdly normalfaggy and take characters to alter into whatever fantasy they want. But you see time and time again the biggest of those outliers get criticized and made into jokes by female fandoms, OOC horny or soppy romantic stuff gets policed by other women so it can never become too common. Reimagining a sweet, shy boy as a goth suicidal teen with a face full of piercings will never be widely accepted, it will always be pushed back into small friend circles where it eventually snuffs itself out from a lack of new content.
If we see a character with a perfect six pack and giant penis we the audience will stop and think, is that right? Would he? We don't guzzle down one size fits all body types unless the series was already like that, and the concept of what's a desirable body type is hardly universal. Artists who draw copypaste muscular slim guys in speedos tend to be gay men even though that type has long been a mainstream stereotype of a hot model/stripper. Female audiences crave variation and dynamics whether it be yume who want petit girl and gruff man, or fujo who want tall straight lace and unkempt dumbass. Even mob porn is going to have a different guy in the center each week to see the contrasting reactions.
I don't think it's that we're greedier and want more, it's the same level of greed manifesting in different ways (shitloads of samey porn VS porn of shitloads of types). I'll bet when it comes to tits and ass on women it's just that they're easier visual shortcuts to arousal than any features on a male character. They're easy modo. Neurons activate when boob. To achieve the same effect with a guy you HAVE to do something more or else it's just some guy with his shirt off on a hot day. The male body is so desexualized we have to try to mine it for enjoyment. We need behaviors, and voices, and contrasts. We need specifics. He's not some rando on a hot day with his shirt off, he's dripping with sweat down a smooth tummy, wiping his hair clung brow with his crumpled shirt and scouring his surroundings for somewhere to buy a drink, idly licking his dry lips as he thinks about how thirsty he is, and totally oblivious to the eyes drawn to his flushed skin. Now he's an object of desire and I can put a name to him. Hell yeah.
No.5742
>>5738I dont have anything to add but your reply is very well thought out and written! I enjoy your very tactful breakdown as I tend to struggle with it esp. when it comes to moid behaviours since the alog just slips right out, but its nice to be able to see someone put it in cohesive words aside from pure rage.
No.5751
Now that Lolcow has been gone for well over a week I've realized how much I don't miss it anymore. I hope it stays down for a while longer to get a proper reboot on its userbase, but I'm also not holding my breath expecting it to recover from the damage of being exposed to female incels (incels as in literally involuntary celibate) on Tiktok.
No.5754
>>5751For me personally it improved my mental health when I stopped immersing myself in lolcow culture. I'd been spending way too much time obsessing over disgusting strangers instead of doing something that could enrich me.
No.5755
>>5754That's true! I've been very productive and my mood has improved from not being subjected to stupid takes and stressful infighting all the time. Lolcow should go offline every other week to encourage the userbase to go outside for a while kek
No.5757
>>5751I agree with hoping it gets a reset on userbase with it being down it's been insufferable this summer, but I do miss checking on the fashion threads and the confession threads.
>>5755Yeah I refreshed lolcow so often, and being afraid of missing out on faster threads, with fujochan it's fine since I can just check at the end of the day or week and reply to old posts with no issues.
No.5761
Is it worth having a "seasonal holidays" thread or having "halloween" and "christmas", etc. threads?
No.5763
>>5761Probably seasonal, then you can post all kinds of holidays that are niche enough they can't get their own threads
No.5775
>lolcow maybe will be back up during the weekend
It is how it is
No.5776
>>5775lolcow culture should die.
No.5778
>>5776Lolcow dies, they all go to different sites
No.5779
>>5775I hope the uptick in fujochan activity persists even after it's back up. Though I enjoy the insightful posts here, the lack of activity here was the thing that kept me from fully moving here. If this place gets just a bit more active and gets more users, then it would be perfect.
No.5783
>>5779I dunno man, when crystal cafe got more users, it immediately became this gatekeeping shithole. I hope that fujochan stays quiet.
No.5786
Can two fujos with two opposing ships and preferences truly be friends?
I have my static OTP, and I know another person who ships my NOTP hard. I hate her OTP, she hates mine.
But we somehow still became friends.
Deep down I still hate the ship even if I understand why she likes it, and I'm sure she understands mine as well, but there's that constant hidden animosity that stays which makes me wonder if it's really truly a friendship or not
Would you become friends with someone who hates your OTP?
No.5787
>>5786Did you befriend that girl thanks to your common interest in whatever series or characters you're talking about? Or is it something that came up later and you already were friends? To answer your question I really don't know.
No.5790
Thanks to lolcow being down I managed to finish reading several books, finished a JRPG and its DLC, and I'm trying to finish watching Gintama because several seasons got released after I stopped watching it. I feel productive.
No.5791
I've never opened lolcow.
No.5795
>>5786My initial thought was "man it's just shipping" but then I thought about the few ships that make me insane and I don't think I could be more than acquaintance level if I knew if it was a NOTP that interfered with my OTP. Sometimes shipping is as casual as flavors of pie, sometimes it's as insane as "if you ship X/Z instead of X/Y our brain chemistry is simply incompatible".
No.5796
>>5791I did and regret it. IMO worse than /a/ or at least worse than the good threads of /a/, which are the only ones I visit.
>>5786Technically yeah. But my issue is that the same interest is usually the only thing that connects me with another fujo. Other traits might match as well, but our interactions seem solely fandom fueled.
I dislike it but I cannot help it. I made a genuine new and kinda deep friendship years ago because we shipped the same characters. We even built up a whole canon-based AU around it, wrote fics about and and created tons of art, explored their past and everything, it was fun as fuck and we had so much to talk about.
Now we are in radically different fandoms for years and don't talk anymore. I casually (like, once per month) try to stir up a convo but it never amounts to much. At best she ends up saying something about her fandom or posting her fanart of it but I cannot say and do anything but praising the drawing a bit since I know nothing about her series (formerly some obscure game, now Harry Potter which I was never interested in).
It's sad. But she's solely fandom focused I think and barely ever leaves her home since she only works from there, so I cannot even start a dialogue by complaining about people or politicians because she never interacts with the outside world and doesn't watch tv so she doesn't know what I am talking about same way I don't know anything about her fandoms.
This isn't the first time it happened. Same with another old fujo friend. Since our fandoms changed the convos die quickly and it's always me initiating them.
No.5798
welp, i’ve finally hit the point where i’ve quit missing lolcow. since it went down, i’ve watched several movies i hadn’t previously taken the time to watch, downloaded a ton of japanese textbooks to work with, and i finally got around to watching evangelion for the first time (finished the show yesterday, going to watch end of evangelion tomorrow, annnd i’ll probably get around to the rebuilds sometime after that). but now i’m worried that when/if it goes back up, i’ll just go back to wasting all my free time there.
No.5803
>>5798Maybe try to download an addon that restricts the time you can spend on the websites you usually go to for when lolcow will be online again? It stills requires self control but this could be a good start. I'm kind of the same right now, I've been focusing on some hobbies this week but at the same time not being able to use lolcow when there's almost nothing else to do because I'm working but there's no actual work to do yet is very frustrating. The timing is horrible for me.
No.5804
>>5798>annnd i’ll probably get around to the rebuilds sometime after thatPlease don't, they're fucking terrible.
No.5805
>>58043.33 has some decent shippy stuff if you like Kawoshin, but yeah as a whole they are pretty awful especially the finale which I think flies in the face of the whole point of the show.
>>5798EOE is peak NGE I hope you liked it!
No.5808
>>5804>>5805i’m very aware kek (i actually remember hearing about the rebuilds sucking way before i even planned on watching the og show), i’m watching them mostly for any additional kawoshin moments and also because i can’t help being a completionist. that aside, though, hearing all of the praise for eoe has me very excited!
>>5803that’s a solid idea. i might genuinely just have to install parental controls for myself. and it’s nice to hear that you’re in the same boat as me. i’m genuinely starting to lose hope that it’ll even return, at this point, but that could also just be my dramatic overthinking.
No.5809
>>5751Lolcow had become fucking unbearable. I really only browsed the /m/ threads because the rest were just the same bullshit takes and bait over and over and over again. I appreciated it being female centric but let's be honest it was full of tiktok libfems, moids baiting and troons. I only thought of fujochan today and here I am, at least I can read non-retard level discussions on fujo stuff and more without scrolling past 10 infights, threads about fujos and yumes and tifs, and moid talk.
No.5811
>>5805Yeah I think the best way to watch rebuild is just to look up Kawoshin clips on youtube or something and that one gif of Shinji fucking losing it and swaying because it's funny, doujins for it are pretty good though.
>especially the finale which I think flies in the face of the whole point of the show.God what the fuck was that, the show+EOE ending was pretty much explaining to an audience of likely depressed otaku that they're allowed to exist and they shouldn't constantly hate themselves while the rebuild ending was 'get a manic pixie dream girlfriend who falls out of the sky and get a job lol' only surprise is that they didn't pull an Abe and have Shinji and Mari with kids (though I guess you could argue that message was implied with Touji+Hikari and the cat)
No.5812
>>5811Yes, yes! Though the part that pissed me off the most was when Shinji and the others
needed to "End Evangelion." In the context of that movie and its clearly literal and about ending the franchise, but for the entire series the Eva units have been used as a short hand for the pain of living. Hence Shinji "mustn't run away" from piloting them. Life fucking sucks but that's what makes us human and we need to live with the pain even if we don't want to. When Trice Upon a Time has them "End Evangelion" and then Shinji appears in the new world you might as well have written that he recedes into a dream or something. Your anti-escapism series has effectively become an escapism fantasy. Its so disappointing and removes all of Shinji's character development in one fell swoop.I could, and have in the past, gone on at length about it. It might be my least favorite reboot/redux ever. I'm not sure how I would have concluded the Rebuilds, I don't think any are particularly good on their own and they're remaking something that's almost fully conclusive. I was team timeloop for a while but I think the only satisfying thing you could do with that is pull a ME!ME!ME! and make it about how hard it is to escape from cycles of depression.
No.5820
>>5816I tried to think if I'd ever seen a female ugly bastard anywhere and the only thing that came to mind was that time I watched a video about disturbing manga and one of them was about a group of teenagers who ended up on an island inhabited by a savage tribe and the guys got harrassed by a tribal woman who was overweight and ugly.
No.6063
>>5816The market for girls is usually either pretty shoujo/yume/magical girls stuff, with bl being the only exception.
Otome games for instance like pic related have beautiful girls or at worst average but still very beautiful looking girls.
Even many western young adult romance books like fifty shades or after have the same dynamics, while most het for men it's ugly bastad or generic otaku introvert, sometimes chad male character happens too but it's a pervert like Denji.
No.6065
Always wondered why some women don't use their collective autism to get shit done? We could've had kino like katawa shoujo but instead we pozzed tif pandering shit where pronouns are mandatory and every one character is a fat vitiligo ministry show. It's not like vns are hard to make but we still have a long ways to go in terms of better female run media.
No.6066
>>6065The ones who get shit done just focus on other things I assume. You have the ones who make a career thanks to their writing or art skills so they don't necessarily work on their own personal projects. I assume Omori fits what you just said but instead of a VN it's an RPG, I haven't played it but I doubt it has BL elements besides some subtext here and there and it took way more time than planned to get released because of some money mismanagement but it was so long ago I don't remember the details. In East Asia you have autistic things like fan events that are pretending their gay OTP is getting married so the room is decorated like it's for a wedding ceremony and there are cardboard cutouts of the characters in wedding costumes, I've recently seen this on twitter for Gojo/Geto in China and Korea. It feels like there's always a social element to fujoshi planning crazy things based on their OTP or based their own characters or stories.
No.6068
>>6065Probably like the other nonna said. Any girl autistic enough to get shit done is probably already pretty successful doing other things. Women seem to stray more towards individualism imo.
No.6070
>>6065I consider Katawa Shoujo an autism miracle. The thing about group autism and passion projects is that you are all some degree of autismo and sparks fly much easier the higher the number of people on your project there are. Fujo autism is especially potent because we can sometimes import petty dislike of a person over their shipping preferences. Like if I found out the project lead's OTP was filthy Z/X instead of glorious X/Y? I'm outta there unless a paycheck is involved. I think it's stupid I can get "the ick" this way, but shipping autism has never been a reasonable thing. Irreconcilable creative differences!
No.6074
>>6065We did try doing a monsterboy VN project on /a/ once, but looking at the plans and designs I saved back then I'm glad it didn't get anywhere (my art style in particular was awful). King's Blade quest was much better written, probably thanks to being just one guy who knew what they wanted.
I think we've discussed tons of times the reasons why certain creative pursuits don't go very far. Fandom culture doesn't reward original content so much, running with your own ideas can be considered weird or cringe, and trends change too frequently to stay focused on the same project for a long period of time. Throw in the past few years of arguing about what you can and can't ship and I think western autists are kind of trapped toeing lines or keeping to themselves. Organizing under a shared interest is a whole new can of worms.
You've reminded me though that old JP fujo fandom used to make very short RPG Maker games and VNs to sell on discs at Comiket. Some of them barely take 10mins to play and do very little but have a full set of portrait sprites (the rest being freebie assets). It would be nice if people tried that more often, no pressure to make something long or ambitious.
No.6075
>>6070I might be alone here then BC even if I have a ship I really really like and a fellow fujo ships one of them in a paring I'm not so fond of, I really don't feel any vitriol at all especially if it also has cute fanart to enjoy ultimately if it means more fujo fanart and content in the world it's a net positive even if it's not my preferred relationship for that character
I think I may be alone in that since I've seen a lot of fujos express the entire opposite and look for reasons to call the opposing ship abusive/proship etc (look at Voltron for an obvious example)
No.6076
>>6075It's less that I would feel vitriol and more that I would assume that if our takes on these characters and dynamics between them are that incongruous it would be a bad fit and I'd go use my free time for something else. There are exactly 2 ships on the planet I am this autismal over so even in the hypothetical it is unlikely. Just saying that there is sometimes completely unreal autism at play in fujo spaces (recent example: that one Childe shipper who got all the shipping at the Genshin doujin event removed because there was a booth with bottom Childe -
https://x.com/tudou_mi/status/1811714884931059733).
No.6077
Why the fuck did I get banned from CC? They gave me no reason, refused my appeal and the ban is indefinite. All I did was silly post on the LC bunker threads. I didn't write anything remotely controversial.
No.6078
>>6077same anon, it also seems like all my VPN usage doesn't matter, no matter where I switch it to, I keep getting the message I'm banned.
No.6080
>>6077Same here, I can't even appeal it I guess I'm just banned for life now.
No.6081
>>6075Same. I don't fit into many fujo spaces because everybody is so obsessed with their OTP that they get angry if you post pretty art of another pairing. Even for the pairings I am autistically obsessed over I am saving art for that ships them with other characters, even if it's some I don't particularly like. In the end it means more cool fanart and maybe even some interesting interpretation of my fav, even if it's with another dude.
Pretty art = brain goes brrrr
Pretty art with a fav of mine = double brrrr
I am a simple woman.
No.6083
>>6082The funniest part is that they cannot even block it since they don't know where it's coming from, lel
Now that they're hiding the names of the liker you can secretly spread yaoi shit among your followers and they can guess who it might be and unfollow everybody they know and love. It seems like it's not even saying why it's popping up (like saying "Someone you follow liked this"), so most are probably not even aware why it's on their feed to begin with and will blame twitter's algorithm (not sure how vanilla Twitter works, I only see the post of those I follow).
No.6084
>>6075You may not like the ship in a deep way and mostly a casual enjoyer way and that's okay.
People who moral preach for an NOTP they hate are stupid though. I get being fixated to autistic levels to your ship (I can't relate to sympathizing with opposing pair shippers, I hate them by default) but I wouldn't resort to moral preaching. The most you can insult another fujo is just calling their other ship bland or non-canon kek
No.6085
>>6079I remade a twitter account a few years ago and decided fuck it, I do whatever I want and I'm not sharing my @ with my irl friends anymore so I always liked and retweeted nsfw BL art in there. In the FYP you get recommended tweets but the "[user name] liked" mention has been removed from the tweets recommended so maybe your followers won't even know they're seeing NSFW art because of you.
No.6086
Does anyone feel out of place because you don't like male ryona, typical seme and uke tropes, and would rather prefer bl with a intimate relationship? It doesn't have to be wholesome, sometimes drama adds a kick that feels good SoL stories lack. I don't enjoy some of the fucked shit I see so I stick to my mind for all my entertainment needs.
No.6088
>>6087Who's this victim of male pattern baldness? I recognise the art style, it looks like it might be by that woman who wrote the only omegaverse manga I ever enjoyed
No.6090
>>6079My mom follows me so it's funny to wonder what kind of stuff the unmitigated algo jumpscares her with. Cat, news, shitpost, cat, cat, cartoon man stuffed in every hole, cat… It's not actually that big of a deal, she's known I'm Like This for more than half of my life.
No.6091
>>6090That's weird but also kind of cool that your mom respects your preferences. My mom caught me reading slash fic when I was a teenager and she threw a huge fit. I was grounded and lost access to the computer for months.
No.6092
>>6086I can't stand ryona (I mean, normally the term refers to male on female violence) but I've never encountered it in BL I've read, or nothing gratuitous enough that I remember it. My experience is just people making posts in the middle of other conversations and using fanart to illustrate it. It's jarring because I want comfortable, cuddly, horny stuff around fictional dudes and these posters seem to have it in for them. It feels malicious. I can't even write proper villains in my original stories I'm so incapable of enjoying malicious intent, haha.
No.6093
>>6079Welp, guess my followers will just have to learn to deal with drawn gay porn and the occasional Astolfo/Venti/etc cosplayer with his cock out.
No.6094
All the talk about yume boards has me thinking, not about yumes but I do wish it was easier to talk about anime individually without having to deal with coomers, gendies and those who hate anime but pretend to like it. Something in the middle, like a seasonal anime/ongoing manga board where I'm not slammed with really shitty tits and retarded waifusperging/woman hating every other post but I'm also not slammed with trannies, cuntboys, and retarded woman hating and also not slammed with how all anime past 1990 sucks and is disgusting and the only thing people ever talk about it Eva and Full Metal Alchemist.
No.6095
>>6094God I'd love to have a place to find new horror manga and anime recs without surfing through the slop of modern fandom. I've left every anime/manga discussion place except here. And I don't wanna bother fujonas with potential non-bl horror recs.
No.6097
>>6094I'm sure general manga and anime threads would be allowed on /ot/.
No.6098
>>6095OT should be fine for that! I'd like to hear your recs since I love horror!
No.6099
>>6086>>6092I like it best when the ship love each other and the ryona is done by a vindictive third party. My OTP were enemies off-screen in the past but it's not elaborated on so sometimes I imagine the seme attacking the uke or vaguely being an asshole in that era. The route I usually go is there are some sketchy feelings between them but ultimately, they love and deeply understand each other. It's very believable for either of them to have gotten on some thug's bad side and then sets it off and the other has to save him. Fluff and mutual hatred are good too though. It depends a lot on the character. The same characters who are especially ryonable also work well in more standard angsty plots. And I'm kind of with you het ryona.
>>6094>>6095>I've left every anime/manga discussion place except here. And I don't wanna bother fujonas with potential non-bl horror recs.Same. This seems to be the only place that "gets it". I always feel this way, too, when it comes to talking about things that are not particularly gay here but why not make some generals in /ot/? Maybe if they get too busy, you can spin them off elsewhere. Or make a thread crowdsourcing recs with its own google sheet/website. I also think it would be nice to make a cozy, more general fandom group on a quiet or less Western part of the internet but we'd probably have to vet people heavily.
No.6100
>>6098>>6099Should it be a general horror thread?
No.6101
>>6091>>6090i have a big manga collection so my mum has stumbled upon my epic licensed yaoi collection she simply chuckles and calls them "my funny gay cartoons books"
No.6104
>>6100That would be nice! On a similar topic, Ive enjoyed Brutal Satsujin and although there was said to be BL implications (i have to reread and check since i havent caught them) im looking for similar genres where its slasher and theres no instances of women getting hurt for moid gaze.
No.6105
>>6100None of those anons, but I'd also be in favor of a horror thread.
Although it would be nice to have a place to discuss BL horror and ask for recs, as well. No.6109
>>6105NTA but I could make a horror thread on /bl/ if there's enough interest
No.6111
I'm way too excited to eat my leftover Indian takeout, it's eggplant, spicy tofu and mild tofu. The spicy tofu isn't really spicy but god is it good.
No.6112
>>6111That sounds absolutely delicious
Indian leftovers are amazing
No.6123
>>6121Kengan omega, which started off strong, shit the bed in a way that messed with the plot of its precursor manga, and is now partly ai-illustrated. It's irritating because it did have interesting characters, good fights, and good art at one point but both the writer and mangaka made dogshit choices at every turn. It hurts cause the mangaka was so good at drawing fat-assed middle aged men
No.6126
>>6123what a shame, I looked it up and it reminds me of baki, another series i enjoyed for unconventional fujo art. im so sorry for what happened to it :(
No.6127
>>6126I feel bad about what happened to baki too, it just sucked seeing these fighting manga fumble because I wanted them to stay good. There's other fighting manga but they're not the same
No.6133
i finally watched end of evangelion last night. so fucking good and i can’t believe that it took lolcow being down to finally make me watch through the series, kek. i’m definitely going to let it sit in my brain for at least a few weeks/months before daring to watch the rebuilds (against everyone’s advice). but i am thinking about reading the manga in the meantime. is it any good and/or worth it if you’ve recently seen the anime?
No.6135
>>6133>is it any good and/or worth it if you’ve recently seen the anime?The manga doesn't hold a candle to the show, but it's not actively insulting like Rebuild. It has a lot of different characterization
and some good fujobait, so it's not just a rehash of the anime. The events and ending are also different. There's also a wild world of official spin-off manga like picrel that might be of interest. You may also want to look into the spin-off games, although I haven't gotten to play them myself, so I can't vouch for their quality.
No.6136
>>6135Campus Apocalypse is another one worth checking out if you mainly just want Kawoshin content.
Seconding that the manga is really good and not just a rehash.
No.6141
>>6140I don't think this is that political? I personally don't find AI a political topic, social maybe.
Personally I think it's a funny idea for a zine, but I normally don't buy zines that aren't based around properties I already like so I won't pick it up. Be aware most zines are non-profit and have their funds donated, always check the charity before you buy some. I've unfortunately had to pass ones that look very pretty due to charities chosen that I don't align with.
No.6142
>>6140It has to be gendies overcompensating for all the lost tumblrtard years of shaming fujos for liking yaoi. It annoys the shit out of me and you can tell they are never actually passionate like we are. I swear they treat it like a meme, it makes it hard to find genuine fujos
No.6143
Which is THE current fujoship of this era? That is popular both in jp and eng fandom. Is it Satosugu?
When I open toranoana, for the past few years it's been nothing but slam dunk or gegege no kitaro and my jp TL is full of nothing but this and several artists I liked also moved to them but I don't see anything from the eng fandom at all.
Eng is like a cluster of gacha pairs and satosugu, but isn't the most popular gojo pair in japan with Megumi?
I remember a decade ago it was a bit easier to point out which was the current fujoship, maybe because there wasn't a lot back then though. Like how Shizaya was the hot shit of 2010s, then Ereri in 2013s during the Shingeki craze, but afterwards I think I just didn't notice anything more.
No.6144
>>6143Probably something Genshin related? As a whole shipping seems less homogenized, which is probably a good thing in terms of variety though you have less food on the table for what you're interested in.
The last BIG community I saw that wasn't gacha-based was those Minecraft youtuber ships, but I'm too old for those so I couldn't tell you what they're about. Plenty of live-action series seem popular too, like the most recent Good Omens adaptation, or Our Flag Means Death.
Anime wise I think most people are still into ships and series from years ago. Hunter x Hunter and BnHA's consistent fandom comes to mind.
No.6145
>>6143>Is it Satosugu?Even straight male shonentards see Gojo and Geto as an item and point and laugh at some scenes for being gay as fuck instead of spamming "reee fujoshi always ruin manga and don't understand male friendship they wouldn't get it" so it's eligible for the title. I wish I had a screeshot of that tweet from a shonentard talking about the HI arc and saying something like "the shippers were onto something, call it toxic masculinity but I'd never do all thag for my best friend" but you get the idea. I don't know much about Genshin Impact but with its popularity I assume it has a lot of fujoshi fans.
>Hunter x Hunter and BnHA's consistent fandom comes to mind.Shonen Jump series with that amount of popularity tend to stay popular for decades so I'm not surprised, I'd be shocked if people didn't talk about them anymore. It's either that or they're almost forgotten. Even Bastard!! is still somewhat talked about these days and the recent anime brought new fans.
No.6147
>>6143When I'm on twitter I've been curating my feed so that I'm locked up in my own little cave of gaming-related ships for the most part so I'm not actually that up to date with shounen stuff. However, I do get emails from Anime otaku carrying service that imply Hero academia and Jujutsu kaisen are still popular with fujoshi and since big shounen titles tend to thrive in the west too it wouldn't surprise me if that Jujutsu kaisen ship is popular in the west as well. I'm just not sure if Bakudeku would also be cause of 'morality' reasons.
No.6148
Speaking of Attack on Titan, I barely hear about it nowadays, even though I always see people talking about other manga and anime that were equally popular when the first season started. I liked the first season, read the manga until I caught up with the latest chapter back then and got too lazy to continue so what happened? Was the ending that horrible? Usually with series that lose their popularity with time you can still see a few people saying good things about it later but here that's not the case.
No.6150
>>6148From what I understand the show just kept getting worse. Only ever read the first few volumes, but everyone I know who stuck with it has nothing nice to say about the later parts.
No.6151
>>6150i also vaguely recall there being some antisemitism/nazism scandal with the mangaka? but i don’t know if it had any substance or if it was just generic twitter drama.
No.6152
>>6151NTAYRT but it was because he based some of the characters on controversial historical figures (Dot Pixis is based on Akiyama Yoshifuru for example) but most of it was just twitter discourse thinking that depicting a fascist government equals approving of fascism, even though it was made pretty clear that said government were depicted as the bad guys and Isayama (the manga author) is just an autistic military otaku. IMO the main problem SNK had was the story going all over the place and turning into an incoherent mess. Every time politics are introduced in a shounen manga's plot it just turns to shit immediately.
No.6155
>>6143It feels strange to throw Genshin into the contending pool–the yaoi is very popular sure, but the characters themselves are rarely critical to the main story and exist in this kind of limbo where they get cameos but little-to-no character development. I personally don't think of it in the same way I would a book/comic/show/Actual Complete Game. Zhongli/Childe is still top dog and IIRC they have literally not interacted with each other in-game since they were introduced FOUR YEARS AGO.
old_man_yells_at_cloud.jpg moment, sorry.
>>6147I consider Bakudeku the zoomer Sasunaru and if the ridiculous idpol of modern shipping existed back then I'm certain Sasunaru shippers would also have been under fire to the degree that early Bakudeku shippers were.
No.6160
>>6140It was fine as a few jokes, but this is like they're trying to be the boogeyman gay men whine about when they complain about fujoshi. Nobody is actually invested in these characters enough to not make gay caricatures and to be honest it'll make it harder for those oddly talented artists out there who actually do get really into weird obscure shit like mascots.
>>6143I had to google what Satosugu was. orz I'm in the Eng side of the Gegege fandom, it's not huge and many of the users are SEA who grew up with some form of Kitaro. There's not much drawing fanart, but a lot of buying doujins and visiting theaters in Japan. I think there's such an abundance of available art people have been drawing Akuma-kun fanart instead.
What we've discussed before about fandom being much broader and English speakers not having to congregate on the same few titles means that there's never going to be one unifying franchise or pair again. There'll be a few Big fandom that'll be almost mainstream in popularity, and then a few hundred little pockets overlapping one another but totally hidden from those further away. You know the series you really like and see a ton of JP and KR fanart of and assume is known, but when you mention it to someone else they have no clue. The creepiest part is when you find someone who does know and then they're also fans of a bunch of other stuff you liked but couldn't find people for, like what are the chances, how'd that happen.
No.6171
>>6170The exaggeration of horror/outrage in regards to drawn stuff is so exhausting. Really? The worst thing you've ever seen is nsfw loli when we live in an era of randomly getting gorebombed by images and video of the bodies of Palestinian children on Twitter?
No.6172
>>6170There's a controversy in my main gaming fandom right now about a hardcore raider who cheated on his girlfriend and how in that same community misogyny in general was being spread around and excused by male hardcore raiders. In the replies of a female raider who said her piece there was a minor fandom celeb who said kind and encouraging words to her but then in the replies a bunch of people started bitching about loli diaper art he had commissioned a long time ago that he had already apologised for. Even though I think that art is gross I thought it was embarrassing to see people bring up that fake stuff when the guy was being supportive to a real woman who had suffered from real sexism.
No.6176
>>6170heh I just got that exact video in my recc, NTTS is alright but this is one of those instances where it's like yeah he's too brainwashed by normalfag mentality.
This seems to be increasingly more common nowadays, I think people are just so scared of the pedogroomer boogeyman that everything that has children in it is an automatic redflag even though nobody has ever cared about whatever happens to fictional kids. Remember when people used to sexualize pokegirls all the time? And Asuka?
It feels very 'bad thing bad' type of reductive thinking
No.6177
>>6176I was not expecting someone to know what I was talking about lol, but yeah I guess he is normie brained and it annoys me that YouTubers in general are like this with the fiction vs reality debate.
Some recent examples is Saberspark saying having actual real life CSEM is as bad as drawing straight shota and Invader Zim porn, Keemstar doing a crusade against anyone who interacted with Shadman and people losing it cuz he drew loli rather than suggestive art of a real kid, and SomeOrdinaryGamer saying loli and shota is horrible but also saying he watches real cartel beheading videos. And kinda related but don't even get me started on Zoomers using real life criminals who hurt real children as a quirky "omg so gross" insult.
I'm so tired, it's fine to hate these stuff, but actual pedophilia is nothing but a punchline at this point.
No.6178
>>6086Same, I just don't get the appeal of rape and abuse for the sake of rape and abuse. If it's used as a springboard for rape-recovery or another character saving the poor beaten slave, I'm all for it, but personally mutual pining leading into a relationship is my cup of tea.
>>6176>heh I just got that exact video in my recc, NTTS is alright but this is one of those instances where it's like yeah he's too brainwashed by normalfag mentality.Not familiar with the guy, but I'd say this is the exact opposite of normalfag mentality. A person on the street would find it gross and weird, but they find it weird because its cartoon porn not because its loli/shota. Terminally online people are the ones who make a big fuss.
>>6177Recent Shadman stuff annoys me equally because you have all these lolicons rushing to defend him but the man was a pedo and did create what I would consider to be child exploitation material. It's all so exhausting.
No.6180
>>6179Bad show, bad fanbase who would have thought?
Can't even think of the last good Nick show honestly, maybe I'm too old but I don't think I like anything that channel produced post-2006 with Avatar. Though I heard Rise of the TMNT was good so maybe I'll check that out sometime.
No.6181
>>6148I stopped following too, but last thing I remember was that the fandom at one point became a pile of fights between het ships (actually, /a/ called Eren x Historia shippers "plotfags", because apparently people agreed that the ship was for people that cared about the plot) so that's that.
No.6182
>>6181everything i learnt about aot aside from the first season was against my will from my terminally online friends, ngl even during the first season I genuinely didn't give a fuck about any of the characters, the setting was interesting but if i don't care what happens to these hoes then it doesn't really matter to me, some of the fanart is hot but the actual characters are mostly pretty fugly, i never got the Levi hype also Reiner not really being gay was a massive let down
No.6186
>>6181Ironically I dropped the manga not long after the Historia reveal but would still check in on /a/ every few months. The best thing out of that fandom was all of that decent-to-good quality AU fanfic that doubled as original gay fiction. Hell even all of the speculative canon compliant fics were better than the direction the story went. It also solidified my stance on "public flogging for people who tag side pairs", which I hold to this day.
>>6176Thanks for namedropping so I could actually watch the vid in question. The game is obviously for lolicons, but the guy really is overreacting, especially all the handwringing about the incest tag, like one of the most popular shows in Normieville wasn't Game of Thrones.
>>6172This sounds like WoW but I haven't heard a thing about it (filter game too strong I guess?), please post a name so I can snoop.
No.6187
>>6186It's not really WoW related but it did start cause a FFXIV raider replied to a post about WoW raiding and then two of the women he harmed QRTed him.
https://x.com/eorzean_info/status/1834387922730320272 And this post is the one from the female raider who also said her piece and the blue checkmark called kaiyoko is the loli diaper art guy.
https://x.com/hellostal/status/1834233297268081136I'm not sure what to think about the whole women in esports situation cause while I'm sure misogyny is a major deterrent I also can't help but wonder if maybe there's just something about male brains that make them more willing to nolife videogames compared to women. I already considered that when I noticed how speedrunning is male dominated too.
No.6188
>>6187>the almost 900 QRTs on the cheater's postHoly shit lmao, thanks for the reading. For all of the time I've also played XIV I never thought it would have the same "male nerd" problem WoW has. I guess because I think it's weird that men would want to play what is essentially a BL/otome game with PvE elements and dogshit netcode.
>something about male brains that make them more willing to nolife videogames compared to womenProgression raiding in particular requires 3+ hours without significant interruption for 2-3 days a week (more so if you are a world first contender like the post that started this all) and women are far less likely to be able to guarantee this. In general a woman's free time is not nearly as much hers as a man's is his because women are socialized to carry the burden of household/secretarial tasks outside of work hours.
IMO that's why so many gamer girls are either casual or singleplayer–they can pick it up and put it down to attend to whatever has been asked of them by their family/partner and the capricious needs of their children. The "best" raiding years of my life were when I was single and living in a depression nest with no obligation outside of "don't kill yourself". Top 200 baby!
No.6189
>>6170>>makes bad zoomers jokes, like using irl criminals as an insult (like calling people Epstein or whatever) Completely unrelated but shit is that what it is? I had a gang of kids keep harassing me with the age old "my friend says he fancies you, will you go out with him", and got fed up of saying "no" because they'd tried to physically trip me for saying it. So I just straight ignored them and carried on walking, to which they responded by shouting "Jeffrey Dahmer, you're Jeffrey Dahmer!" in front of tons of small children and their parents. I was shocked because what are these 12-year-olds knowing anything about Dahmer for, but also why would you ever say it around even smaller children who might ask questions? It just seemed super weird that they all trained themselves to do it suddenly.
>>6171I've had to mute a bunch of artists because of that shit. It feels so disrespectful to pass around death videos of victims in between your gay smut drawings and teehee kpop bois jokes.
No.6190
>>6188>For all of the time I've also played XIV I never thought it would have the same "male nerd" problem WoW has.I guess raiding will just attract these kinds of people regardless of what the rest of the game is like. There's these prominent male WF raiding streamers in the fandom too called Arthars and Xenosys vex who are defending the cheater and from what I can tell they've been around for a while. Some people think the XIV fandom got worse when Asmongold played it and brought his WoW fanbase over when WoW had a universally hated expansion. I've only played XIV since 2020 so Dawntrail is the first time I've seen an expansion drop that the fanbase is divided about but some of the tidal wave of hate towards a new prominent female character definitely feels very 'male nerd' to me. I don't even care much about her myself and switched to JP voices to avoid the troon voice actor but a certain crowd of people treat this character like she killed their dog.
No.6191
>>6189What the fuck, what are the parents of those kids doing? Not only harassing you but also comparing you to a terrible person. But yeah, young people nowadays know a bunch of irl monsters but instead of knowing they're monsters they use their name as a punchline. It happens a lot with celebrities being exposed as groomers like Drake or Dr Disrespect. Not only is it a horrible insult to tell anyone that they're just like a real monster who hurt real people, it also waters down their name which makes the severity of their actions a joke. People back then used Pedobear for this but that was a dumb cartoon who didn't exist.
No.6192
>>6191>>6189where i live i always get kids running up to me trying to film me in tiktoks or whatever, i just smack the phone out of their hand and keep walking so i don't give them the attention they're desperate for, parents need to sort themselves out and actually be an active presence in their lives
No.6199
>>6198>smartschoolboy9 Is this the new memed pedo? I swear Epstein/Diddy/etc. jokes are just Pedobear for zoomers except it's worse because they're real people with actual victims and not some cartoon bear.
No.6200
>>6199nta but it's some creep old fat guy who wears makeup and pretends to be a boy on instagram, as far as i can tell. He has access to AI stuff and i don't even want to think about the things he does with that shit. Either way, I saw someone promoting their shitty music with a "fancam" of this guy so yeah, he became just another punchline instead of being shamed for being a fucking pedophile.
Calling people you don't like (even fictional characters) 'Epstein' on twitter became so common i thought i was the crazy one for thinking that people should never do that….some weirdo on twitter is not the same as a rapist pedophile who sex trafficked children for years
No.6201
>>6198twinbuns they could never make me hate you
No.6202
>>6199What
>>6200 said but apparently the guy has now gone so viral that reddit sleuths trying to be the hero are fucking up the investigation and children are trying to find this guy IRL so if he did anything actually illegal I could see him just never getting caught for it cause the british police will decide it's not worth touching this shit.
No.6204
>>6198why is these people humor just "oh current thing!™️ did you see me reference current thing?™️ Just how funny is that I know about current thing™️?"
Honestly might as well be bots
No.6205
>>6198>bootyholeSomeone is probably projecting.
No.6210
>>6191They're kids old enough to congregate on their own at the park, I know when I was near the end of elementary we used to take off on bikes and make up shit in the woods to play all the time. I can't fault them being unattended like that, but I wish there were someone seeing them act like that who could say something. Or more like I wish I was strong enough to tell them off, but I think these days kids really don't listen to non-family. At least if it were one of the parents with another child there'd be some weight to their words and an immediate show of consequence (kid who hears the insult), but they just looked at me and left it.
>>6192Jesus, I'm glad I haven't encountered that. Cell phones were becoming a thing when I was in high school and I had enough of younger kids taking photos of me passed out with cramps in the nurse's office. I'd be scared to smack the phone in case they used it against me.
>>6199All I know is that somehow overnight my youtube recommended/related sidebar is full of these disgusting thumbnails of a guy in vampire facepaint doing retarded shit with his swollen tongue. I know it makes it easier to hate him but I'm trying to eat my dinner while watching some harmless gaming channel, I don't need that jumpscare when the video ends.
No.6213
>>6212Always remember it was that cybershoujo tranny who destroyed Miku, never forgot what trannies take from us.
No.6214
>>6212I get it. I also love Miku, but seeing people bandwagon on something you enjoy for the "wrong" reason is irritating. Secondary fandom is a menace, /jp/ was right to use it pejoratively.
No.6215
>>6212I've had Miku fatigue for like 10 years now. It's getting worse now that Miku is becoming more mainstream. I also wish vocaloid went back into being a niche thing, but that gacha game just really pushed it into the mainstream.
No.6216
>>6212Yeah somehow it feels like nowadays most vocaloid fans aren't really fans of the music but fans of the trends
No.6218
>>6212I one HUNDRED percent agree even as a huge vocaloid fan myself. Also, people always preach on and on that it is not necessary to gatekeep, but Miku's sudden rise in popularity (to where even normies know about her) is evidence as to why gatekeeping is important sometimes. For me personally, a "red flag" of a Miku lover is a Miku lover who doesn't know *any* other vocal synths (i.e., they don't know Len or Rin or Teto). And another red flag for me is when they can't list a single vocaloid producer, not even the big names like utsu-p or deco*27 or mitchie or inabakumori… Those are the vocaloid fans I straight up can't stand. The indie music scene is why I love vocaloid shit (even as cringe as the indie music scene can be, kekkk). I don't get the fans who lover her just for appearance.
Okay sperg rant over. I will still stick around the vocaloid community for my shota king Kagamine Len…
No.6219
>>6215Same. I enjoyed a lot of vocaloid music and thought the hologram concert was the best thing ever, but after 2010 my interest just keeled over. I think there was an influx of ironic weebs who posted Miku everywhere and I saw the music less so I didn't keep up with anything. It was easier to pick up new songs when music videos got fandom parodies all over NND, but at some point I stopped browsing/seeing them. Now I check a few MMD here and there and vocaloid songs don't come up too much.
I didn't know there was a gacha game, how long has that been a thing?
>>6217Why does this exist
>>6218I'm afraid I could name old songs or themes/stories of songs but not the producers. Hypocrite that I am, I felt a real embarrassment over the reaction to the Guardians of the Galaxy film. That was so unexpected, I don't know if I'm glad people barely made anything of it or not. The fact even vocaloid communities posted about it like "guys it's Miku!!!!! omg Miku in the theater!!!!!!" but most couldn't do the barest of research to name the song and its source. I wanted to see someone congratulate Chopin, haha.
No.6220
>>6219>gacha gameYeah, it's Project SEKAI. Picrels. It came out a few years ago. Most of the characters seem to be girls, but I'm pretty sure there's people that ship the few guys the game has because I occasionally come across the Project SEKAI fandom tag on ao3 while searching for m/m.
>Guardians of the GalaxyOh wow, I didn't even know about that. And I watched the movie so many times too. Can't believe it never registered to me. Also same, I can't ever remember producers. Especially considering how much time has passed since I was actually into vocaloids and vocal synths. There are quite a few songs I do remember the names of, but there's a lot I've forgotten over the years.
No.6221
>>6220Sorry I should have specified it was the… third movie? I haven't seen it yet, but it came out fairly recently. They used a track from S2 of the anime Classicaloid, an NHK Educational channel kids comedy by a couple of the staff behind Osomatsu-san. Each Classicaloid had a different producer, and Chopin's used vocaloid vocals to fit with him being the one who adpts to using technology to avoid his social anxiety. I honestly remember him using Len more than Miku, but it's been a few years since my last rewatch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtBLtx4irsc&list=OLAK5uy_mJDNY26a-lSSGlpnp50l_G7ghuRefL40Q&index=2I knew it. The song they used in Guardians of the Galaxy was the Puppy Carnival, which has a mess of lyrics naming dog breeds and I'm fairly sure a choir of vocaloids. In context it's a spell that turns everyone into dogs so they can understand the discomfort of an animal that can't communicate in human speech (however, Chopin is mistaken and Dvorak thinks he is being patronizing to make assumptions about him and his, uh, hipponess). I have no idea how it could possibly be used in Guardians without being particularly weird, and I'd accuse hollywood of using vocaloids for just that, but whoever picked it out had to have seen season 2 of Classicaloid of all shows! I wish I knew who and how it came to be.
>Project SEKAIOh shit so this where they're getting the characters for the Miku movie. That makes way more sense. I watched the teaser trailer for that and thought "why is anyone going to care about all these new people?" But their designs seemed pretty specific compared to the usual "normal world civilians" in anime movies, so it did strike me as unusual. Now I'm looking it up, a ton of articles named Project SEKAI in the title. I guess that's what I get for just opening the trailer and disregarding everything else.
No.6223
>>6220I've heard the ginger boy and the split dye boy are really gay together, I really don't wanna fall down mobile game hell but cute apparently almost canon gays is a pretty tempting offer
No.6224
>find new person who seems enthusiastic about my ship and looks okay
>read their strawpage/carrd
>mogai/radinclus/mspec/autistic/plural with alters and they/he pronouns
The amount of 'fujos' I've encountered that go by he/him or they/he is so insane even if they act like decent people on the surface I just get completely put off the moment I read they have 'alters', same with autists. Every actual autist or 'self-proclaimed autist' is such an insufferable ADHD beast that can't keep a conversation or interest afloat.
No.6225
>>6224I keep feeling this when I encounter what seems like a fujo artist who draws great art and is into the same stuff I am but then I see it's a he/him girl. Even if these people are chill to interact on the surface, generally speaking, I just feel pity and imagine that they could jumpscare me with zippertits any time.
No.6226
>>6224Same, sometimes I feel a bit mean because I avoid interacting with gendies even irl despite the fact that we can have a lot in common. I just know it's a ticking time bomb and becoming close to them will have a guaranteed expiration date.
No.6227
>>6224I can tolerate some they/themmies if they rarely mention troon shit but the 47 DID alters he/they/bug/ghost TIFs are batshit insane. Their retarded politics aside, those people are consistent shit-stirrers and attract the most retarded discourse. I thought it was just a terminally online 14 year old thing but there are 20+ year olds like that.
No.6228
>>6224Literally the second I see gendie shit they get blocked/muted. I only really use ao3 though so it's not often I actually come across an "about" page with that sort of stuff unless they write some retarded rant in the author's notes or in the tags. I hate that fujo communities tend to be filled with gendies.
>>6226I've come across gendies irl a few times and I'm always super guarded around them. I'm always scared I might say something misandrist and accidentally catch their ire.
>>6227>tolerate some they/themmies if they rarely mention troon shitSame. Like I won't go out of my way to speak with any, but I don't actively feel gross talking to them like I do with tifs/tims.
No.6229
>>6224I've lucked out with my fujo stuff because I rarely come across unhinged he/hims and he/theys who share my interests. Of course there's an abundance of them but they're usually quite young while I'm in my early 30's so our social circles just don't mingle. I feel like all the ones who used to be mlm fujoaidens when I was still in my 20's either grew out of it or stopped liking fujo stuff and shipping altogether. They went into that full on gay male larp completely separate from all the weebshit I'm into. So I guess just give it time.
No.6230
>>6224I'm afraid I'm ancient so seeing someone has a strawpage or carrd is already a red flag for me. The only times it's not is if it's a general fandom one showing where to download and buy a series.
No.6238
>>6229>I'm in my early 30's so our social circles just don't mingleSame here. I guess my age and taste in 2D men prevents it. The guys I am into are too masculine or powerful and weird to be easy targets for trans headcanoning and the people my age are rarely into that either. I bet it's mostly an issue in series that are flooded with twinks like Genshin and the likes which I avoid by a mile for multiple reasons. Feels good.
Downside is that my men also never get much art or fics, but the ones they get are in-character and more or less on-model at least so there is that.
No.6239
>>6238My taste in men has skewed older as I've aged as well. Though annoyingly enough now they've been classified as "old man yaoi" even though the characters are in their 30s which bothers me greatly. They aren't geriatric dammit!
Do you similarly have issues where the men you like arr mainly drawn by the bara crowd, or do you not mind that?
No.6244
>>6237incredibly annoying how any discussion of this topic has to preface with "as a poc xyz, blah blah blah blah you, as a white qweer, are a peepee poopoo head" this entire thing just seems like a whole nothing burger to get mad about when theres a literal sexpest case and popular streamers siding with predatory moids happening at the same time
No.6246
>>6238i thought i was in the clear cause i enjoyed yakuza characters who are yknow geriatric old men yet even troon hands were not safe from them, fuck this shitty baka life
No.6247
No wonder the lolcow tourists were so anti-fujo the other week when they were here, they have a whole thread for proshippers and have that exact 'le fujoism is moid gooner behavior and if you like shota you're as bad as a moid pedo' mentality. I don't understand how these people live.
>>6238>The guys I am into are too masculine or powerful and weird to be easy targets for trans headcanoning The most "trans male" headcanons I ever see are usually done for the most hairy, deep voiced, masculine guys ever that nobody in their right mind would ever think they're a woman at all (This happens a lot to Solid Snake nowadays). It almost feels like spite.
No.6248
>>6247>le fujoism is moid gooner behavior Rich coming from the board that has the majority of the husbando enthusiasts.
Those who actually devote their life and delusions to their 2D husbandos (they actually had threads dedicated to it like 3DPD) which sounds a whole lot similiar to the waifu male posters.
Even some of the ones claiming to be "fujos" are either yumes/husbandos/himes that just pretend to be fujos because they have one ship.
Coincidentally they are also the ones i believe who can't get into bl because of the missing female character slate, almost like their minds always defaults back to otome.
No.6249
>>6248Don't forget that it's the board that made a whole fucking shitshow because a couple of anons posted a few pictures of shotas (non-sexual) and talked about fucking Black Butler and decided to straight up ban anything that vaguely resembles a shota but will do nothing when lolis, loli vtubers, moeslop and loli/rape vns for moids are discussed. The mods and average users must be a bunch of nlog who obsess over men and are brainrotted by porn for men.
No.6250
>>6247The current day Lolcow posters are actual 17-year olds who found about the site on Tik tok, the oldest you'll find there is 21 tops. Of course they'll be up to their ears immersed in sperging about fujos.
>>6248I would've been so much happier if I wasn't made aware of Lolcow's yumes. I swear at least a portion of them has to be just scrotes masquerading as "yumes" to hate on fujos and goon to straight porn because otherwise I'll lose a piece of my soul thinking about how retarded husbandofags can get. And it's made worse by Rancefag (also confirmed to be just barely 18, I think she posted nudes as a minor to prove she's a woman and that's why she got them deleted?) who suddenly realized she's a fujo because she likes seeing her eroge protagonist husbando raped and is now samefagging and spamming every single thread on the site bragging about what a based fujo she is giving every schizo antifujo on the site more reason to spaz out. It's madness.
No.6251
>>6248>Those who actually devote their life and delusions to their 2D husbandosThat reminds me of how I found out about the Yume twitter community because I saw a QRT where someone told a prominent yume twt account that character AI is bad. Maybe this sounds naive but I always thought yumes were just people who enjoyed otome games and dating sims. I didn't realise they literally shipped their IRL selves with fictional characters and that waifu/husbando wasn't just a cutesy term to refer to your fave. It was a fascinating rabbithole for me.
No.6254
>>6251There are definitely yumejos that like otome games or games with FeMCs that are moderately normal, but the OC/Canon yumejos are a bizarre phenomenon sometimes I'm honestly impressed how they actually get people to get interested in what is pretty much just me x my husbando type of ""ship"".
No.6255
>>6251Yumes are far from cutesy or fun to be around, they are straight up mentally ill. They will harass fujos and each other because their husbando that they didn't create and that everyone can use gets shipped with someone other than their ugly ass (I also laugh at them representing themselves as pretty stylish ladies or big boobie anime girls when they often look like dirty fat potatoes). When I see yumes I think of those hetshippers on twitter that were malding about two male genshin characters being shipped together and then coming up with the shittiest most nonsensical hetero ship out of spite (nobody cared). The don't realize that they're the same as those underage gendie girls blocking everyone and having literal meltdowns because someone else used their kinned character on tumblr, or moids lashing out when their waifus have a canon love interest that they don't approve of. They seriously need to get their heads out of their asses. I actually love when fujos make gay art of some yume husbando and it makes them seethe.
No.6256
>>6255the thing is, I don't even care if they have a husbando they ship themselves with or are enthusiastic about, I care about the hypocrisy and misogyny they show when talking about fujos.
Male otakus might be cringe but at least don't do this, they don't get angry at ntr fans for instance because that genre is somehow more popular than another.
No.6257
>>6256>they don't get angry at ntr fansTbf I've seen a lot of anti-ntr fans on f95zone and they do get angry about ntr often, but they also get banned for being retarded when they cry about ntr in a game that has ntr in the tags. I'm not sure if they have their own community like anti-fujo yumes though
No.6258
>>6256Yeah I wouldn't care either if they didn't insist on invading fujo spaces and shitting on every other woman because of their husbando.
No.6259
>>6257when they get angry about games that have gay in the tags it's even funnier
No.6260
I'm getting into renpy after a year of depression and it's quite frankly fun to mess with. Still too retarded to make VNs out of it though.
No.6261
>>6260>Still too retarded to make VNs out of it though.Even my stupid codelet ass was able to use it, so I'm worried for you if you're having trouble, anon. What parts are you finding difficult? I can try to help you. If what you're struggling with is something very advanced and fancy I might not know how, though.
You'll probably get the hang of it after enough messing around and looking at the tutorials though, that's what I did.
No.6262
>>6261Made my first vn and then that was it. It's less the engine and the assets actually. Renpy as a whole is pretty easier (more so if you know the coding language behind it) but unless you're both an artist and writer–and a good one at that–You're gonna have a bad time. I really hate working with people, but if I'm ever going to me the vn of my dreams, I need help…
No.6264
>>6255Yeah most actual yumes (as in self-shippers, not just people into otome or het shipping) are both very depressing and angering to interact with. They have a die-hard hateboner for fujos and act like the m/m ships featuring their husbando are personal attacks against them because they're genuinely in love with a fictional character that they didn't even create themselves or in worst scenarios, some vtuber that's played by a real person. It's not a cute and wholesome hobby for most of them but an actual mental illness that makes them hostile.
No.6265
>>6262Ah, that's rough. Honestly, I've done multiple VN projects and though I can draw and write, I've only finished one because I was able to write the whole script from start to finish cleanly at the beginning. The rest have been dragging along because my scripts were more like rough first drafts and I keep running into endless plot untangling hell on one scene or element that keeps me stumbling over it forever.
But bad art has never stopped people from making VNs that end up with tons of charm anyway, and it's pretty easy to get free backgrounds and sounds.
No.6267
>>6262I'd love to help you anon. I have an ongoing vn project right now and I know that it's hard work even if it appears simple. I'd honestly like to make character art and cgs for some fujo project, I love coming up with love interest designs and going through the tropes.
No.6268
>>6266I feel a bit awkward since
I sometimes use husbando threads to brag/rant about male characters I like (as characters). No.6269
>>6268I just sperg about my faves in general animanga threads since husbando threads have a weird atmosphere to them, and my theories are almost always firmly tied to canon anyway so delusion central doesn't fit anyway. Sometimes I read husbando fags talk about characters I like and it's basically an unrecognizable fanon version. It's impossible to connect with them when what they like is just a bastardization of what I like. I dislike fujos overly into fanon for the same reason.
No.6270
>>6269I would if I could but sometimes it just doesn't work out, unpopular series or controversial characters and the like.
I absolutely agree on the atmosphere stuff though, most of the time it's just talking about themselves rather than the male character. Really feels like the husbando is just a prop sometimes, I just try to ignore that aspect tbh. If only the internet wasn't so autistic about stuff like this.
No.6271
>>6269>my theories are almost always firmly tied to canon anyway so delusion central doesn't fitThis is what drives me batty about modern fandom. The ratio of canon compliant/considerate to "might as well be original fiction" AU fan material is so skewed. In some fandoms it really does feel like everybody has played/read/watched a completely different work.
No.6272
I wish there was a better fujo doujin alternative website from MRM and Exhentai/E-hentai because every day I keep opening MRM it's full of roided patreon barashit OR trapshit (not even the "looks slightly masculine" trapshit but just the typical 'might as well be futanari' trapshit) instead of actual fujo works nowadays.
Yes I'm butthurt that my uploads keep getting rejected despite taking hours of scanning and translating ancient doujin but it's not popular shonen no.58930 so it doesn't get uploaded.
No.6273
>>6272Yeah MRM is a travesty, I don't even understand why they don't accept everything it literally can't hurt to have more stuff on the site.
No.6276
>>6272The fact that they won't take translated doujin is insane actually, I hope exhentai at least appreciates them.
No.6277
>>6272They reject translated doujins? Jesus christ, you'd think they wouldn't be afford to be picky and if they're willing to pirate stuff paywalled on patreon then why not translated doujins? If anything, they should treat them as priceless treasures.
No.6280
>>6272It's weird that they don't accept doujin, they have the shittiest barashit and furry shit on there
No.6286
Posted some art recently that I thought was good and got absolutely roasted. I feel so depressed about it now… I won't ever be anywhere close to decent, I should just give up.
No.6288
>>6286Where were you posting it? Sounds like an issue with the location than the art since unless it's controversial most people don't go out of their way to be dicks to artists.
Imagine it this way nonna, you've got people making actual money off of MSPaint inflation porn commissions, there's an audience for everyone. Your art will never be the worst thing out there you've just gotta find your niche.
No.6292
>>6288It was on an anon board (not 4chan), so being rude isn't unexpected. I wasn't expecting praise, I just wanted crit on what to improve. I didn't get much of that, just people trashing on it. You're not wrong but now I can't stop thinking that, if I post my stuff elsewhere people will think it's shit but just won't say anything.
No.6293
I’m trying to decide wether or not to catch up on BSD again. I first got into it around 2018ish, watched the first two seasons of the anime, binge-read the manga (up until the point where Kunikida’s fake-out helicopter death happened, iirc), and had a lot of fun. It also helped that the fandom wasn’t as huge back then as it is now, and therefor it wasn’t as annoying. But now it seems to be populated solely by tween Dazai kinnies with discourse brainrot.
Regardless, though, I’m still nostalgic about it. I’ve been considering at least rewatching the parts of the anime that I remember fondly, but I’m worried that I won’t like it as much and my memories will be tainted forever, kek.
No.6294
>>6293I was a BSD fan around 2017-2018 just like you. Then I lost interest, so I left. However, in around 2021-ish I got nostalgic and I decided to re-read it and joined the fandom again. Literally what happened. 80% of the fandom are tiktok kids with 0 critical thinking. That really drove me away from the fandom. It really wasn't like this in the beginning
No.6295
>>6294It’s honestly nice to hear that you had basically the same experience as me. And yeah, the difference between the 2018 fandom and the current fandom is night and day. I wish someone who was there for the entire downfall could explain what the hell happened because I’m genuinely confused. Usually, when a fandom gets like this, it’s because of a new adaptation or something similar, but that’s obviously not the case here.
Also, even though the series was never super deep about its literature connections (at least not that I remember), I still feel like the old fandom cared about that element more and it led to more interesting discussion and fanworks. But as you said, the current fandom has no reading comprehension, so that’s been lost entirely.
No.6299
>>6298Rare good MB take?
Haven't heard of Kagurbachi but the designs look appealing and easy to ship. Not surprising at all that it's attracting a fujo audience.
No.6300
>>6298>>6299Isn't the story behind the fujo audience of Kagurabachi that the male fans were scared the manga might get canceled, so they begged fujos to pick it up?
No.6301
>>6292Your skill doesn't matter as much as what what you're depicting means to you, that's what gives art soul. Draw for your own enjoyment and not to impress autistic crabs memeing about le studies.
No.6303
>>6300Yes, they were basically pimping out their faves in an effort to attract more women into the fandom and drive up sns engagement and manga sales. It's created a funny dynamic in the fandom where now that it's safe from the axe, the new fanboys that came in later complain about "fujos latching on" and older fanboys snap back and say fujos were there from the beginning and helped save the manga. But I still kinda get it because the shippers for the biggest ship so far are retarded teenagers as shonen tends to attract. But shippers are like that across the board, people just insist on turning it into a fujo-specific problem when that's never been the case.
No.6304
>>6248I never trust the word of any "fujo" who claims they also play otome
No.6305
>>6304What if you ship the guys in it
No.6307
>>6306In my experience the otome-playing fujos turn out to indulge more in otome and other het content and only happen to have one or two gay ships.
No.6308
>>6307I disagree if only for the fact that most otome game fanart I see is yaoi. Granted I've only played two so I'm far from an expert.
I'd consider otome more yaoi adjacent than something like gachaslop at least in those games they're trying to give the characters some depth even if it's a pulpy romace novel with an anine coat of paint. Gacha shit, with a few exceptions like FGO, doesn't even pretend it's characters are people worth being invested in shipping.
No.6309
I've been playing twisted wonderland every day since the day jp released and don't recommend it, boring ass non-game with shit fics
No.6310
>>6309When I got into Black butler I was very tempted to give it a try cause a bunch of the JP artists I started following are into Twisted wonderland as well and I do have childhood nostalgia for disney. Then I reminded myself that the last time I gave gachaslop a try was with Nu carnival and I ended up quitting cause even gay porn couldn't make me enjoy it so I figured I wouldn't stick with Twisted either.
No.6312
>>6310Yana's mid is not worth getting into unless you have nostalgia for it
No.6313
>>6311It would be so much worse if it were a vn, there wouldn't a single benefit to it being one. Vn fans have become delusional ever since they blew up on tiktok.
No.6314
>>6313I don't use tik-tok? Glad to hear there's new blood for the medium though.
My feeling is I hate logging in every day and I hate energy meters. If more of those mobile games offered me the chance to just buy it outright and read at my own leisure I'd enjoy them more. I'd take an anime as well, I just despise games that limit the amount of time you can interact with them by forcing you to stop, and also force you to come back everyday for login bonuses. I also personally just find the "gameplay" segments unengaging the rhythm segments are more fun than the battles imo but neither hold my interest and I'd rather just get back to the stories.
This isn't a unique issue with Twst, I feel this way about most gacha. It's just not a format I enjoy all that much when the emphasis is on characters.
No.6316
>>6314Cool but remember people who actually like vns are a miniscule minority in the grand scheme of things. Twst was a silly idea made to cash in on the gijinka gacha trend and nothing more, if it was a vn it absolutely would've been worse and it most likely would've just been a very shitty otome. As a twst oldfag I'm telling you the main story is bad and that's a common consensus among players, so bad it caused several waves of jp players to quit over the years, if that was all there ever was to twst it never would've seen the success it did. It's the gacha format that offers a slew of advantages such as financial and fandom sustainability but most importantly for our discussion, it allows for more episodic storytelling in the form of events and vignettes that suit Yana better as a notoriously mediocre writer. Gachas having vn elements doesn't mean they will translate well to vns, they're their own thing. Don't like gachas? Good for you but it is a gacha, it was always meant to be a gacha. It's irritating to judge something for what it is and then have someone else add "yeah, I hate this and don't give a fuck about it but it would've been better if it was something I like"
No.6317
>>6316>It's irritating to judge something for what it is and then have someone else add "yeah, I hate this and don't give a fuck about it but it would've been better if it was something I like"You're reading a lot of hostility into my posts for no reason especially when my very first post about it in this thread was saying I liked it.
>>6311 "If your did this I think I'd like it more" is not the same thing as shitting on it or even saying I hate something. Make no mistake I like Disney and I like the characters. It's fun it's goofy, its just in a style that I struggle to keep up with.
I agree there are financed reasons and one of the unique advantages is adding more characters without needing a new release to introduce them. Plus I mentioned before in a different thread that episodic approaches to storytelling have its advantages For long term pay-offs and overall more screentime spent with characters. But at the end of the day I still wish it had a different release style and I don't think that it should be taken as an attack to voice a personal preference. Do I need to do a youtuber style monologue disclaiming that these are my personal opinions and shouldn't be mistake as facts?
No.6318
>>6317There are times where you should keep your personal preferences and pitches for $20 vn versions of gachas with terrible stories to yourself and this is one of them. If you unnecessarily lay them all out anyways I'll take that as an invitation to share my thoughts on them.
No.6321
>>6318Most gacha stories are trash. Why would anyone want them to be made into vns?
No.6322
>>6318>>6321i mean this politely, but couldn’t this conversation go in /ffs/ or something
No.6325
>>6324Is that so? To me they look like korean webcomic semes who romantically lock the uke in the basement.
No.6326
>>6325A bit of both I suppose, the shoulders give me big 2000s vibes while the hairstyles are more Korean looking.
No.6327
>>6324Who's the character designer?
No.6329
>>6324You mean this isn't a BL or otome game? Kek
>hunted by health advocatesI'm on the health mafia's side on this one, actually.
Flashbacks to Gintama smoking ban episode
No.6333
>>6332Damn is Ryukishi doing fujobait?
No.6334
>>6333Not sure if a good thing, in the Higurashi Gou/Sotsu threads I saw over at 4chan everyone seemed to be on suicide watch by the end.
No.6335
>>6334I was in said threads and I can confirm that.
The anime was a fuckin mess.
No.6336
>>6324Looking forward to seme/seme shipping and complicated dynamics till someone gives in and lets the other top.
The plot sounds funny. Also I don't smoke like smoking characters and it's interesting that someone does a series about this when everybody else outright refuses to even depict cigarettes these days.
No.6337
>>6334It was terrible but tbf it was also mostly lolishit. With adult male characters, it'll be written differently.
Probably.
Hopefully.
No.6338
>>6336Same, irl I think smoking is super disgusting but in fiction it’s erotic as fuck.
I don’t really have super high hopes for ship stuff though since last time he kinda tempted it he added a bunch of schizo troon shit.
>>6337Issue is that it was just a shitty retread of the original higurashi (which you have to watch to understand gousotsu anyway) and half the anime was repeated scenes on top of that only to end with a retarded ass shounen DBZ fight.
No.6340
>>6336I hope some of the Evil Health Activists(tm) are hot so they can dom the chain smoker semes into pursuing a healthy lifestyle.
No.6343
>>6308>Gacha shit, with a few exceptions like FGO, doesn't even pretend it's characters are people worth being invested in shipping.>FGOTalk about glass houses. Look, as a fatefag I stopped playing that garbage because I got tired of wasting my time on that coom for moids game always wishing in vain they'd give me crumbs of fujo pandering. There was absolutely no fujoshit going on in that game besides Gilgamesh and Enkidu/Kingu in Babylon and the Japanese fandom considers Enkidu as a woman anyway which is why the ship is moderately unpopular within fatefujos.
No.6347
>>6343I still play it and yet I agree. The only thing it has going for it is that the men are more varied than in most other series since you even have (ACTUAL) old guys, bearded beefcakes, samurai etc. whereas most series, especially most gacha, have nothing male at all or the same twinks with different hair styles.
But the story is and will always be ass and most of the good men get ignored forever outside of their introduction story. The only ones they keep bringing back are the meme guys ala Blackbeard, Tesla (cool look, but I am tired of his antics by now) and a few others. And 0 potential fujo content besides the Arjuna/Karna rivalry.
Most of all, as a history fan I am pissed whenever they introduce some cool king, samurai or uptight, traditional guy only to come up with the dumbest fucking excuse to turn him into a fucking loli again.
>Japanese fandom considers Enkidu as a woman anyway which is why the ship is moderately unpopular within fatefujosIt's so ironic and depressive that Gil/Enkidu seemed more popular BEFORE they gave Enkidu his official design and story. I remember so much active fujo discussion in Fate threads. Back when fujos still headcanoned Enkidu as a brown guy with horns (I honestly loved some of the fan designs). When they revealed the official design some were disappointed but still looking forward to his introduction. But then they made him an genderless character with the body of a woman (later even with a female voice) and that killed it. Especially if you read the actual Epic and see how Enkidu is described there (personalitywise I mean).
No.6349
>>6347>Most of all, as a history fan I am pissed whenever they introduce some cool king, samurai or uptight, traditional guy only to come up with the dumbest fucking excuse to turn him into a fucking loli again.I used to play FGO but quit cause I was tired of the grindy gameplay and once in a while I'll see someone post a new loli in a micro bikini or a titcow and I think to myself I don't regret quitting. To be honest I lost interest in Fate in general aside from Case files, which is pretty much made for me.
No.6350
In light of the culture war going on, how is bl faring? Are people finding new reasons to love or hate it or has nothing changed?
No.6351
>>6350I don't notice much of a change and not much hate actually. The advantage BL and men centered shows with shipping fuel have going for them is that the ones that hate it are super sensitive about it so they ignore these series from the start because "no waifus". The rest that sticks to it are women/fujos or seinen/shounen/adventure (whatever it is) fans that don't care about the shipping. It only proves to me yet again that the garbage fans are almost without exception otaku.
Regarding the fujo side, personally I never engaged much with fandoms, but feel like everything is chill now. I barely saw haters but now I don't see them in the first place.
Might be that it helps that I completely left tumblr behind and only browse and post on twitter which seems much more chill to me. It's the blog posters that usually cause drama.
No.6353
>>6347I think Enkidu in Strange Fake is fine and most fate fujos who do ship Gilkidu are exclusive to that iteration, but FGO really shat the bed with the "well, he… I mean, THEY, is actually genderless because he's made of clay!" thing. Their stupid pride didn't allow Gilgamesh to commit to being same-sex attracted despite already being canonically flamboyant and vain as fuck, only interested in Saber as a property and his extra series version already being cozy with both female and male Hakunos. And it's not like Fate is completely hush-hush about gay characters since they quite explicitly made it clear in Case Files that El-Melloi is gay, it was a conscious decision to keep FGO appealing to coomer whales but sorta-kinda teasing fujos. Which backfired I guess because Japanese fujos would rather ship Gilgamesh with Ozymandias with whom he has no canon interaction in-game than Enkidu.
Also almost every attractive male character in the game has a girlfriend or a wife on-screen. I guess FGO is exceptional in the sense that the characters are given canon relationships instead of just sucking the self-insert's dick but none of them get gay with each other.
No.6354
>>6351I've been seeing it too lately. Nowadays the worse you get is himejo and fujo slapfights but otherwise, things been good.
No.6355
How morally questionable would it be if I "stole" someone's OC? It's a character an artist I used to follow hasn't used in years and it seems this artist wants to give up drawing. I think adoptables are a very dumb concept but, would it be less outrageous if I contacted this artist and told them I wanna buy their character or something? Or would it be better to just make a knockoff version?
No.6356
>>6355Knockoff version IMO. There's no reason to entangle yourself with this artist. It's not impossible to make them Legally Distinct unless it's some sparkledog and you just HAVE to have ultramarine hair with zebra stripes that cycle through the rainbow or something so blatantly copying. A design can be divided into its appealing elements and remade.
>it seems this artist wants to give up drawingThat's so sad though. :c
No.6357
>>6355Comping the artist would be the most correct thing to do if they still have an online presence. That being said if you adapt the design and don't just outright stealit I'm sure you'd get away with it.
No.6359
>>6350I had a pretty funny interaction the other week where a guy lost his shit at me for referring to yumes VS fujos as a culture war. Whole thread boiled down to men being mad that women wanted to watch anime instead of suck their dicks, and the best insults they could muster were "they smell" - yeah, of the bath bombs I store in my wardrobe maybe.
No.6361
>>6359In some ways it is. Yumes often eschew more conservative and oftentimes harbor less than liberal beliefs. Not to say they all are, but the amount of yumes secretly trojan horsing their tradthot takes is in the hundreds of not thousands of post each month.
No.6362
>>6355Just make a knockoff, don't steal the OC outright. Stealing someone's design is shitty behavior and causes unnecessary drama, just make something inspired by it, like
>>6356 said break down the elements you find appealing and do something based on those features. I would be fucking pissed if someone just snatched my OC I had in the backburner.
No.6367
>>6364@yang_orz on twitter, あいざわヤン on pixiv.
No.6374
On the one side I am happy whenever I get into a pairing and series again since it gives my life more meaning. But on the other side I sometimes get less capable of doing things since my mind is constantly busy thinking about my obsession.
No.6375
I so want to make my own BL comic but it feels like it's so much to do. Right now I only make illustrations but making comics is so so much harder.
No.6380
I really want to sperg out about an unpopular series in the west but I would lose my anonymity across sites. That's how unpopular it is
>>5699 100% I wish there was more fujo positivity or neutrality. I'm sick of the random fujo hate and contast moralfagging on LC
No.6381
>>6380I've felt this way about a few ships and series, I'm waiting for a group of online aquantiences to find my A03 account because there is one series I'm vocally into where I am the single m/m fics author.
No.6382
>>6381I haven't finished the fic yet, but I'm the first one to start writing something on A03. I'm actually kind of scared to make it too weird or inject my fetishes into it lol
No.6385
>>6381>>6380>>6382>losing anonymity Within the last year I privately reached out to the only other active fan of a ship I love and it's been a fun time. It sucks to be shy or scared or generally introverted but I can say with confidence we are all in the same boat waiting for somebody to send the first message. Treat yourself to the knowledge of how talking to them would really go!
>>6379Despite what I can only describe as the "zoomer brainrot" narration style I found the first one really compelling and watched it the whole way through and will hopefully carve out time for the sequel this weekend. Knowing that there's lovingly crafted Parkour Civ yaoi warms my heart.
No.6386
>>6380I have the same issue with some characters of a semi-popular series but literally nobody else likes them, especially not my top favorite so I cannot talk openly about them because I would lose my anonymity. I cannot even post ART of him/the others because I am the only artists that draws them so at best I would anonymously shill my own stuff which feels cringe.
No.6389
I was browsing Nhentai and came across this beast. Initially I was amused by how close the art style was to the original only to find out it was by the same mangaka. There's something really novel about doing an official bl spinoff featuring the characters from your generic netorare hentai, the characters from the original didn't even have any subtext as fair as I could recall, not even the unintentional cocky playboy bullying the hapless mc that you see in a lot of content like this which always comes across a bit suspect. I'll admit there's something quirky about a bull and cuckold transitioning into lovers, their designs are very appealing together as well, I would have enjoyed it a lot more if the girls weren't involved in it.
>>6384>/ex/ tier of mutilated and manhandled by the other guyPicked the fuck up.
No.6393
>>6380>>6381>>6386I did this before like several years ago when I was still starting to do fanfic and such and later my posts got found here which lead me to get mad stalked somehow but I'm still out there, lurking. Never stopping my love for my OTP no matter where I'm found.
Despite what happened though, always try to reach out to the very few people you see no matter what. Even if they are not english speakers too, you'll have a lot more fun like that
No.6396
>>6393If you are the person who actually posted their Suou bros fanfic here, I remember you. That's insane that antis are lurking here, real "what were YOU doing at the devil's sacrament" moment. Fatlus games getting popular was some monkey paw shit. I'm sorry this happened to you.
>>6389This is so based. Unless you make bull/cuck B-sides of your own work you don't REALLY love NTR.
No.6397
>>6389Holy shit anon I've been wanting to mention this in the Unexpected BL thread but could never work up a post. Absolutely was not expecting to learn of the sequel of all things before I could make the post fucking lmao.
>by the same mangakaIt's drawn by the same artist who did the first BL spin-off, the manga is done by a different artist but both of them are/were overseen by/work with the mangaka of the original doujin.
But yeah, it's really funny. The manga adaptation (and I guess og doujin it was based off?) were pretty popular, and the first If BL also did well apparently.
>SubtextNah, none. Author just likes spin-offs (and Takashi in general I'm p sure), gotta work the popularity.
>Very appealing togetherAgreed, and I'm usually not great with buzzcuts.
The original was a mess to read through but I do welcome these spin-offs.
No.6399
>>6393Holy shit, I think I remember you! Seconding what the other nonna said about the devil’s sacrament and all that. Other than on LC and CC, I’ve never even seen this board get referenced anywhere, so the idea that an “anti” of all people could end up here and connect the dots to you is insane. I’m so sorry for you, but it’s cool that you’re still here and posting regardless
No.6400
>>6385>It sucks to be shy or scared or generally introverted but I can say with confidence we are all in the same boat waiting for somebody to send the first messageI wish it was the case, I'm very introverted and the few times I've tried reaching out, after just greetings and small talk, the other person stopped replying. Maybe I'm just boring i don't know but you'd think if someone wanted a friend or at the very least was interested in making new connections they would put in more effort to keep the convo going.
No.6404
>>6402I recall in Sherlock they flat out dedicated part of an episode to making fun of the female fans and that did come off as malicious. In comparison I could also see Alex hirsch meaning it in a more lighthearted way, though maybe that's just wishful thinking from someone who wouldn't want to think the grown man in charge of a show I enjoyed actively dislikes teenage girls.
No.6405
>>6404I think supernatural did something to that effect as well where they made fun of Wincest shippers. Personally I'd don't mind being made fun of if it means the show officially acknowledges the ship and causes somebody who doesn't know what it is to Google and convert to my ship.
No.6406
I wish there was a fujoshi forum, like old school style forum. It doesn't even have to be solely for BL, maybe just a subforum, but just safe for weird women to post about fandom stuff or art stuff without antis or gender stuff. Can you imagine having forum signatures again and talking about headcanons and theories?
>>6393Not a persona fan, but I support you. Your stalkers can go fuck themselves
No.6407
>>6396>>6399Yes that's me. I sometimes feel like talking a bit more about them but I don't want to be too obnoxious, which tends to happen when you're the only one that likes something so I understand nonna's pain when they feel they'd immediately be singled out over overtlyspecificnichetism.
>>6406>I wish there was a fujoshi forum, like old school style forum.Was there ever a general fujo forum before? I only know Aarin still exists (I think) but it's unbelievably dead. There's fujofans which is a fujo-website listing and not so much a forum. I feel like in order to get old school style of posting it'd be better if everyone started doing individual sites again.
No.6408
>>6407fujofans hasn't updated in forever. maybe there should be a fujo webring at least
No.6409
>>6407I used yaoi otaku a lot mostly to lurk but it seemed pretty active at the time
No.6410
>>6401>We don't have a Gravity Falls threadI'd make one if i knew how T-T
Also Alx probably thinks it's funny. Sexy human Bill had been around for years, i think he gets gets a good laugh of it. there's a lot of things in the fandom he takes as jokes
No.6411
>>6410Nudge nudge made one on /wes/ if you're interested.
No.6413
I miss Golden Kamuy so much I wish blatant gay pandering and gay jokes in a seinen or shounen series was a common subgenre and not an ultra rare occurrence that only happens because one out of 1000 male mangaka is bi and ready to indulge and have fun with it.
I don't mean the generic hints that other series contain that make people ship the characters. I want unhinged fanservice shit with naked guys touching each other and all that. It's not fair. Someone please clone Noda or something or at least bring the classic Jojo stories back.
No.6414
>>6406I thought there was some discussion about alternative fandom websites in
>>1119 but I think they were eaten by the soyjak raid, rip. I mostly remember talks about Pillowfort and Bobaboard (WIP). I recently listened to the Citruscon panel by the Boba lady (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFx4XAOnFVE) about online community and I'd say it's worth a watch if you are curious about why no fandom-focused websites have emerged after tumblr fucked itself. I like how she wasn't afraid to say "somebody shipping your NOTP" is enough to create conflict in a hypothetical project team lmao.
Right now I'm happiest with fujochan. The infighting is rare and easy to ignore. Before the soyjak raid it even seemed like traffic was picking up! I miss the nostalgia thread that got nuked. I've said this before but I like being here and reading everything simply because I know another fujoshi is the one writing it.
>>6407>fujofansThis is really cool.
>Aarin>Most users ever online was 6,141, 08-04-2024 at 11:50 AM.I wonder what was going on! I reregged within the last year and it seemed pretty dead otherwise.
No.6415
>>6414I'm newish to FC (but have been on LC for 4ish years now). What's the soyjak raid lore?
I'm enjoying FC so far and like how chill and nonjudgemental everyone here is. I also like how nobody knows about this place really besides farmers, miners and unfortunately r9k. I'll give the Bobaboard talk a listen as well
No.6416
>>6415A little while ago the board got raided by the fags at soyjak.party (who raid small/slow boards for fun) and we lost a few months' worth of posts/threads/images. It's why there's a 5 min timer between posts and daily limit to thread creation now (honestly not a big deal though).
No.6417
>>6393I was planning to reproduce some writing I posted here on a personal website and update it with some extras and character profiles, but geez. I'm fairly sure nobody cares about me, myself, but that's the exact scenario my brain has always conjured. Were they from within the fandom? I'm trying to understand what motivates someone to do that.
Most recently I've been conscious of crossposting fandoms here and on /a/. I'm fairly sure it's that guy who got banned whose grudge continues to this day, or some strange falseflag attempt, but still. I'd hate to make people treat my favs with contempt just because FC users are their boogeyman.
>>6406I don't want to identify myself too much. I've been using image boards for far too long now. I'm scared.
No.6425
>>6414>Pillowfort What exactly makes this one fujo-friendly? I was aware of its existence but never used it because I didn't feel like spending the 5 dollars.
>Bobaboard Woah first time hearing about this. Sounds very promising.
No.6426
>>6424YES i was so fucking happy seeing those last two drawings and watching the number of ao3 works go up, there's something so compelling about the setting and how there's no escape at all for curly because jimmy is such an obsessive freak about him
No.6429
>>6426i love how at least prior to the crash it was mutual too with Curly being willing to overlook even then how evil Jimmy is because he's his closest friend and he thought the best of him, then there Jimmy's obsession with becoming captain and how he clearly hated and loved Curly…
No.6430
>>6425>fujo-friendly?It has communities/moderation tools, so the ability to keep bad actors out of your sandbox. It's like if tumblr and livejournal had a baby. Unfortunately I don't think it will ever get the money it needs to survive beyond this year and even if it did it feels like it gets less traffic than fujochan, lol.
No.6433
>>6424I'm scratching my head to why this game exploded in popularity. Did it come out recently? I watched ManlyBadassHero play it and thought it was kinda fun.
I guess the yaoi fumes emanating from this game were strong enough to get some art. Nice!
>those last fanartsmy moot drew those :)
No.6435
>>6424The game was nice and the ship has a fucked up flavor that's been lacking in recent times, but I'm so fucking tired
of the sexual assault storyline for female characters. I liked how it was used narratively, especially to show just how selfish Jimmy is because even after everything that happened he never considered Anya as a person and what damage he dealt to her, just concerning himself with the potential consequences he would face. But I'm just sick and tired of the trope itself, I don't care about the execution anymore. No.6438
>>6433Pretty recently and I've seen other youtubers play it too like Matt mcmuscles, Vinny vinesauce and Thaf nine.
No.6439
>>6438Ntayurt but I’m hoping Kuplinov will play it too
No.6440
>>6435[spoiler] I agree, the execution was really well done and it really emphasises what a piece of shit Jimmy is and the way so many of Jimmy's scenes with Curly seem to parallel Jimmy's sexual assault of Anya is really interesting, but yeah even though there was a strong narrative reason for Anya's sexual assault and it's clear the narrative doesn't blame her for it, it's still so grating to have female sexual assault be part of the story, especially with the sole female character, i honestly hate male writers touching the topic at all even if it's done "respectfully", i made the mistake of reading some of the comments for a lets play and someone was talking about how they felt bad for Curly and Anya in particular and some retard moid felt the need to graphically compare both their plights as if pain isn't fucking relative, also on the discord there were more retard moids grapsing at straws trying to make the case that Anya's "relationship" with Jimmy was consensual, like did we play the same fucking game? it's an annoying stain on what i'd otherwise consider my favourite indie title of the year[/spoiler] >>6433Ah tell her i love her work! glad she has amazing taste to go along with her skills
No.6443
>>6412I would love to hear your thoughts anon! The persona thread specially needs some life into it too
No.6465
what are nonas' thoughts on lewd male designs? asking for academic reasons kek
No.6468
>>6465Loose or unbuttoned shirt where if he bends over you can see a nipple at the right angle. Top or bottom this is pure horny. Clothed boner with a wet spot is also kino.
No.6469
>>6465Like lewd outfits? Depends. I kinda hate when the outfit is clearly just a sexy woman outfit but on a guy. If the lewd outfit is made with the male body in mind it’s usually pretty hot.
No.6470
>>6469Lingerie on men is usually ugly imo. Slutty male designs should be open Hawaiians shirts or crop tops.
No.6474
>>6470>Lingerie on men is usually ugly imo.I'd respect it,
but I do have a thing for it at least when 2d men wear it, preferably topless. When it's put on a 3d men it's either cringe to maybe hot?>>6471Sucks that it's niche but considering how weird it looks to normies I can see why it never catches on.
No.6476
>>6471These outfits would be so much hotter on Twilight Princess Link
No.6479
>>6384>>6424Thank you for the recc ladies, it was a very interesting and well done game!
[spoiler]I didn't think it was all that fujo until the end, but when the ending hit man did the fujo stuff hit [/spoiler]
No.6483
Whenever I think I'm decent at computer stuff I get a wakeup call at some point. Figured I may as well try out MPV cause weeb purists seem to shill it so much but having to jump through hoops to make the thing not put screenshots on my desktop cause there's no menus where I can just tell it to put the screenshots is way too much effort for me to bother with.
No.6484
>>6483I'm not an expert either so I give up when it's more complicated than other command bar operated programs like yt-dlp where I just google and paste commands.
>to change screenshot folder you have to edit the conf file :^) (make several yourself on notepad in appdata roaming)Like how is it not some –screenshot-location "path" command
I use it just about only to play youtube videos without the video.
No.6493
>>6492A lot of the SH fanfic is/was(rip the porn) on ff.net. There was a ton of PH thirst back then (and the movie really boosted it despite its middling quality), but all of it was on /y/ and archives do not go back that far. You might have some luck starting a general SH thread there to see if you can shake out any older art sitting on anon's computers. Deviantart could have some too.
As for tags, I honestly don't know!
No.6497
>>6479really glad you enjoyed anona, i played the game blind and all i really knew about it was that it was made by the how fish is made people *the toxic yaoi elements really shook me when they appeared*
>>6482*ngl i doubted everything as soon as i saw the way Jimmy treated Anya specifically, also the way he knew how to spike a drink from memory…
i forget the way Jimmy feeds Curly his meds is by shoving it down his throat, referring to the meds as "the good stuff" and being annoyed by his noises rather than distraught by the obvious agony he was in was also very telling right off the bat
speaking of men refusing to see the faults in other men, theres the fact that as captain, Curly could have gotten Swansea and the gun and forced Jimmy into the cyropod after he found out about him raping Anya but instead he opted to have a conversation with him as if that would magically make him a good person, like yeah he might have made my crewmember/friend live through an ongoing hell but he's my best buddy and a good man deep down so if i talk to him it'll all be okay. Jimmy is the cause of everything but it was Curly's twisted favouritism that ultimately damned everyone, i think him laughing as Jimmy takes the gun was his moment of realisation* god i love fucked up ships like this
No.6498
I am not complaining but the three things I am mostly into get so much fanart right now that I feel like checking all the time and usually find new art. It's cool to browse and find so much but it also cockblocks me from doing anything meaningful lol
No.6501
>>6499Is How Fish is Made also good?
No.6502
>>6501It's ok, I wouldn't pay money for it. Nice atmosphere, very short play time with no replayability.
No.6503
>>6501just watch it on youtube, it's like what
>>6502 said
No.6507
>>6506I don't like how socmedia is using words randomly. They throw the "ugly" and "old" label at fucking every guy. Fucking every pairing where the guys are older than 20 is "old man yaoi" and everybody older than 16 with any sort of unique trait is "ugly". It's probably used as a joke but I don't get the point. I also hate when they call everything a "mom" or "dad" or dudes "girls". It's not the meaning that pisses me off but the fact that they think using terms randomly was funny it isn't. It only makes them look retarded.
>Hate yuri and don’t know guitar moid.I don't know who either of them are. But agree about the rest. Adam is great (and hot) and so is Hisoka. Hisoka was always the only part of HxH that interested me so I dropped out early.
No.6508
>>6506Quintessential anti artstyle lmao
No.6509
>>6506Ed Sheeran? Don't know why he's there though, is he gay?
No.6510
>>6506Okay I can understand why people could dislike Adam and Hisoka as sexy and correct as they are but wtf did Yuri do wrong? Do they just not like him because he has autism?
No.6512
>>6506Why is Edd Sheeran there
No.6514
>>6406It's not a forum but there's y!gallery, a BL art website that has existed for decades and even allows shota.
>It doesn't even have to be solely for BLI've thought of making something like this. Some sort of art/forum hybrid site where people can be unhinged about their favorite fandoms with rules which ban anti and anti-like behavior. I'm not sure if there'd be an audience for that though.
No.6516
>>6506The guitar moid ruined the Pokemon SV ending for me so he can choke.
No.6517
I often wish there was a dedicated bl server/chat that wasn't overrun with TIFs and wouldn't ban you for being a "cishet" woman. I'm at my wits with these moids in a server. Whining about mpreg but wanting to breed femboys like there's no tomorrow. The hypocrisy is even more apt when they also wish to be dominant but never let a man near their ass. No shade towards any nona here, fujochan is great, but sometimes just want female friends who match my vibes you feel me?
No.6518
>>6514y!gallery seems infested with TIFs unfortunately but I might give it a try. I would love a art/fandom forum that bans political sperging and antis
>>6517kek they ban you for being "cishet"?? I'm so sick of troons, particularly with TIFs in fujo spaces. Most of them present themselves as some sort of authority "as a gay man" and are extremely thin-skinned. I shouldn't have to deal with gross het in BL because aiden will feel insecure otherwise
No.6519
>>6518Don't mean banned like literally banned, but theoretically, becuase it feels like one small slip and I might get clocked as a "terf" for not agreeing with this gender nonsense. There's also this oppressive atmosphere where yuri is considered good for starring women but if you're a cis women who likes yaoi you're a monster unless you meme yourself into queergendiehood. In one vn server, there was a poll on the gender and sexuality of the users there and it was bleak. And the weirdest part? I felt like the only straight woman on that server with the closest you get his heteroaromatic ace women or trans gay aidens. Everyone else were men and maybe the occasional lesbian or bi woman. It was crazy stuff.
No.6520
>>6517>>6519They always talk about women invading male fandoms (which isn't even a thing, but that's another topic), but nobody about men flooding fujo spaces that were already small enough. The moment any series has a femboy or shota you get this flood of cringe coomer bros and pedos in your fandom spaces and it's annoying as shit because they always try to take over control over the place.
They can't just post their shit and leave the other fans in peace like we do with our pairings. No, they have to make it about them.
They are also just generic heterosexual men but they are LARPing about being super GAY for fapping to an anime character with female voice actor that looks exactly like a girl but then screech if you post actual gay shit because men are disgusting. Holy shit fuck off already.
No.6521
>>6520One guy I knew claims no labels yet is so straight it hurts. He's the type to lust over "hairless ambushes" and femboys, but turns around and screeches and what women like. I literally like slightly masculine guys, but the moment I like something more on the pretty side suddenly my taste is retarded? I still distinctly remember the guy saying he respect me more if I liked straight up barafaggot shit. Like what? These moids I tell you. If I had the will to leave I'd do it but that means leaving behind the friends that aren't awful…
No.6522
>>6519There needs to be a conversation on how being a straight women is the worst thing you can ever be in these super woke online spaces *without being homophobic*. I remember being in a Discord server with a bunch of TIM troons who would LARP being a cute NEET anime girl or something and they would spam yuri or trap pictures all the time. When I posted actual yaoi memes they all got uncomfortable and one even said he got dysphoric. Fuck troons and the handmaidens who enable them
No.6523
>>6522>Fuck troons and the handmaidens who enable themWhat I always found funny is that some social justice-aligned people will say that if you dislike [X] minority it's because you've never really interacted with one before so you're othering them and/or not acknowledging them as real people but in my case the more I've had to interact with genderspecials the more I actively started disliking them.
No.6524
>>6522same shit happened to me. i was in this artist's server because i was looking for ancient art they did of my favourite yaoi pairing but there was a shit ton of troons in there because the artist did a complete 180 to pander to them. when i interrupted their nasty puppygirl uwu larp conversations to ask where i could find the art they were so fucking condenscending. its like yaoi reminds them they will never be true females with actual female interests. some have even begun to larp as fujos thinking itll make them appear more female but clock them by asking their favourite BLs it's so fun kek
No.6525
>>6522Somedays I wish I was born bi and just ignore my attractions to 3d men. The universe loves pranks though. all paths pointed being straight, but due to my retardation and getting lulled by these freaks as young as 16, I thought I was some queer gray-ace sapphic gendie because how could someone love men unironically. it didn't help what intrigued me at the time was weird fetish porn starring mostly women, and that was the end of it. There's was no other choice but lesbian, but getting older and letting myself reflect made me realize how groom-y these spaces are and i'm happy I panned out straight once I got my shit together.
No.6526
>>6520It's so disgusting. I was in a BL server and this scrote kept asking people to recommend him IRL femboy porn. They have no respect for our spaces and then wonder why we hate them.
No.6527
>>6526Why the hell would he ask that? the whole point of yaoi is 2d. If he wanted some recs he could go any porn sub on reddit.
No.6528
>>6527I think what I find most irritating about this whole thing is the idea that fujos must also be into 3DPD porn. I exclusively seek out 2d erotic material and have been doing so ever since I realized it was an option when I was like 13. Real porn is gross to me, I only ever want to have sex with my boyfriend, when I am not in a committed relationship I am basically asexual. BL/fanfic is for jacking off my heart.
No.6529
>>6521I like more masculine characters (aka warrior classes, muscles + either beard, older age or scars or all at once) and I noticed that these types men pretend to consider this "based" since it's bara (or at least bara to them) but they get a brain freeze once anybody tells them that the fans are women.
This confirms to me that they literally just hate everything women like. They don't actually like bara, but pretend to because they think it was a male only thing that kept women away and the second they realise this might not be the case they call you a tranny and start a war over it, because women are a hivemind and they allegedly only like pretty boys.
I also experienced the opposite though which is just as annoying. Men that get mad if you actually like masculine dudes because women HAVE to like the same shit they like. They are fine if you watch the same fujo pandering series with them but please only like shota and femboys not that shit that women might actually like.
Again, despite that this is the opposite as the case above it's about women. If fans post cute or hot fanart of their gap-moe dudes they realise that there are women in the fandom and this yet again triggers them. So women should either stay away completely or please like the exact same coomer stuff they like, post OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUHHHHHHs and stay invisible.
No.6530
>>6524>its like yaoi reminds them they will never be true females with actual female interestsNow that I think about it yaoi IS the ultimate litmus test isn't it? It's ironic because I often hear others claim that fujos were more likely to turn/be trans but in my experience it's the opposite. TIMs are physically incapable of enjoying yaoi, even LESS than actual cis men in my experience. My male friends find it sometimes interesting, at worst funny and rarely they even like a pairing albeit not in the sexual way, more in the "they match each other, based" way. But I never met a TIM that didn't chimp out over this.
So TIFs? They invade fujo spaces but again, in my experience: no. They PRETEND to like yaoi but in the end they always crave hetero. And if it's not hetero then they will MAKE it hetero by calling one of the characters a girl, turning him (or both) into girls or making at least one of them trans which is basically the same. It's weird but it seems like fandom trans people are straighter than normal people. The TIMs love the most generic het coomer shit imaginable and the TIFs obsess over their yume romances.
No.6532
>>6526What I hate the most is how they never ship. It's always talk about them wanting sex with the femboy and describing it. I don't want to hear. It's FANDOM spaces can we please talk about the characters instead of getting the umpteenth cringe greentext about how every male user wants to put their dirty penis into shotas or impregnate them? It's pissing me off. These people hate shipping, they want to fuck, not ship. The IRL porn rec fits right into that.
It also doesn't help that since it's about reality the discussions usually end up involving actual children (when it's shota) or misogynist bitching about real women and how femboys are the better women since they're usually depicted as super docile tradwives (with dick).
>>6531This. Fujos are the nicest crowds. Look at fujo threads on 4chan and how they react (or ignore) het shipping and act respectful towards all kinds of shippers and fans and compare that to yuri and harem threads when someone dares to ship something straight (for the yuri), yuri (for the harem) different or favors a different waifu and see hell break loose.
No.6533
>>6531In the end the issue is ALWAYS lack of gatekeeping. Look at the current state of /a/ in every regard. The hatred against women and the projecting there is fucking comical and insane unless you are in one of the rare threads about sausage fest anime that the subhumans avoid like the plague. I am not even talking about the usual slurs that were always common, but literal tryhard edgelord /pol/ garbage that is most likely posted by underaged bipolars that think liking Hitler made them cool. This shit has poisoned every well and I am tired of people that defend one side for whatever reason, be it fan policing wokes or radicalizing incels.
Not talking about FC btw., everything is cool here but god, the rest of the internet is just a pile of shit in flames. And yes I consider LC part of that.
No.6535
>>6533This is why I'm appreciative of fujochan, there's so many filters to use this site that we're left with a decent user base
>Chan culture filters out tarded sjw gendies and super-sensitive normalfag women>Woman-only site pisses off male trannies *and* female trannies>BL centered discussion filters out the most combative LC users>Straight moids won't even bother because it's a BL site, gay moids too small in number to be anything more than a nuisance. No.6536
>>6533>but literal tryhard edgelord /pol/ garbage that is most likely posted by underaged bipolars that think liking Hitler made them cool.It drives me insane. Since the gamergate+election years I've had to drop nearly every board or general I ever cared to browse. The ones that are left are so slow I can check them about once every 2 weeks and not miss much.
>>6532>how they never shipThis is my filter. Non-shippers can be in fandom spaces (there are some things I have no ships for!) but the second they become hostile about it they should be ejected. If being online has taught me anything it's that you need to cut out bad actors early.
No.6537
>>6520>>6526If a male enjoys IRL femboy porn, I don't think their straight
No.6538
This entire conversation made me think about why I like femboys and I think it comes down to me finding masculinity, and therefore traditional men, threatening.
No.6539
>>6520Scrotes rebranding traps and straight out child abuse as "femboys" and worming their way into fujo spaces was the worst fucking psyop ever. I'm pretty sure deep down the current "old man yaoi" trend is a gatekeeping reaction to this.
>>6519Where do you even find hellservers like this? The BL ones I belong to are kind of quiet but orderly and have a very relaxed atmosphere. Most participants being straight, bi and lesbian women but none of them are gendies (or if they are, they're very quiet about it) so I guess that's the major difference.
>>6522One of the bigger weeb servers I used to be on had strict policies regarding posting even slightly suggestive BL or even solo male pin ups, but NSFW anime girls and yuri porn was allowed outside of their containment channel all the time and nobody cared because it was ran by coombrained men. And everyone just saw this as a normal and natural state of affairs.
No.6542
>>6533I'm going to sperg a bit but LC was lost once oldmin left, for all her faults her gatekeeping game was top notch, especially when it came to politics and constantly had to deal with seething "radfems" on her site crying tranny janny accusations because she didn't want it to turn into a subsection of the people who were too schizo for ovarit or spinster. The concurrent admins gave in and stopped moderating discussion (especially shaymin who basically left the site to rot with no signs of life) and did the worst thing they could i.e. reopened /2X/.
Now the site is fucking full of mentally ill "black pill feminists" i.e. miserable unironical femcels who spend all their day online picking fights with other women just for attention and to feel better about themselves. They don't even really like anything, the only interest they have is endlessly cooming to their AI husbando chatbots. And they're the ones currently dominating the discussion on that site since they're online around the clock. The amount of times someone there has written an autistic blog about how much they hate some innocuous fujo fandom meme because they hate seeing other people have fun and tarnishing their alfachad husbando is ridiculous.
No.6543
>>6530>So TIFs? They invade fujo spaces but again, in my experience: no. They PRETEND to like yaoi but in the end they always crave hetero. And if it's not hetero then they will MAKE it hetero by calling one of the characters a girlIt's funny but yumes to me are instantly recognizable by how they like to ship any character with their self insert.
For example a lot of them draw polyamory fanart, pretend they are fine with the bl ship even thou they just have to ship them in an "ot3", and most of the fanarts is just the two boys adoring the girl in the middle lol
Even in instances where there is a female rival, the yume who has her entire gallery full of her main het ship will suddenly turn the female rival into a lesbian and pretend to suddenly like her with main girl.
It's always the same methods.
No.6544
>>6530I find TIF yumes very funny because the majority I've come across always draw their self-inserts as women. Not even feminine bishies but stereotypically feminine women with long hair and boobs.
No.6545
>>6539> "old man yaoi" trend is a gatekeeping reaction to thisDidn't think about this but you might be right. Even I happened to talk about hot old men already despite that I usually don't like to do it, especially not since I rather associate it with actual 50yos, not dudes in their late 30s or early 40s at best (a lot of 2D men I obsess over are around 40 for some strange reason lol). But it might be that.
With the age sinking lower and lower thanks to men being like one step away to fapping to actual toddlers you can basically call everything older than 30 "old". Hell I even saw some lewding up the 4yo girl from Buddy Daddies and SxF it drives me insane.
Fujos also like shota sometimes but it's at least limited to 12yos and from the stuff I see it's more about cute or tragic character dynamics. I generally view shipping differently from dudes that talk about wanting to fuck a character, especially if it's kids. I have never seen a female fan fantasising about raping a 5 year old anime boy so far..
Speaking about it, this is why otaku fanart is garbage. The gay(ish) dudes always get so much pretty art and then you go to pixiv and see the otaku trash that is always just little kids with ahegao getting raped by an invisible (you) and half of that shit is AI generated garbage. I swear otaku porn is so much worse than anything fujos do and it NEVER takes the personality into account. It could be any loli or shota because they don't care about personality.
No.6546
>>6544It's really funny to me that "fudanshi" TIFs do the exact same thing where they troon a character and write fanfiction where the TIF version gives birth, like what
>>6530 said. Then they will turn around screech endlessly about fujos fetishizing gay men.
Which is more "fetishizing"? A fujo drawing 2D anime men kissing within fujo spaces? Or an Aiden literally declaring herself to be a gay man, saying she holds authority on gay issues, and demanding that actual gays fuck her in the pussy?
Btw, I hate the term "fujin". You can tell a Japanese person didn't invent it because it sounds identical to 夫人
No.6547
>>6542>They don't even really like anythingYeah I noticed that too when I was still using it. The media part was almost dead compared to the seethe threads and most of the users I have seen in said threads even wanted the media board gone since it attracts fans that have fun whom they hate. It's a hatred filled place IMO where people only go to in order to vent, usually about their exes and other women.
The last straw was when I was accused of being a pick-me (oh how much I hate that term, since it's just the "feminist" version of bitch/slut) for purely hobby related interests or harmless as fuck stuff like accidentally revealing that a manga-loving friend of mine is a "he". I wasn't even talking about him as a person but a manga plot theory that a bunch of friends of mine (he is just one of them) came up with when I talked about that series. Dear god.
No.6548
>>6539>I'm pretty sure deep down the current "old man yaoi" trend is a gatekeeping reaction to this. I always thought the old man yaoi thing was because annoying fandom women have some weird superiority complex for liking ugly men, as if being a straight women who likes pretty boys means you are boring. Same thing too when memes about fat men go viral on Twitter. Meanwhile men don't care and just draw big booba coomer art
No.6549
>>6545>never seen a female fan fantasising about raping a 5 year old anime boy so farAt least with fujos, the closest you get is shipping a shota as an uke with an older man seme. And the youngest one I've seen was with Erased, but even then, Satoru had an adult mind the entire time.
No.6550
>>6548It's likely a combination of things, both nlogs trying to act superior for liking old men, and also naive girls who see how disgusting men act towards younger characters and mentally overcorrect because they don't want proximity to them.
No.6551
How do you live with this unrelenting anxiety of feeling like this monster for "fetizhing" gay men and not being a good "queer" ally by subjecting myself to literal garbage meant as good rep? Maybe I'm letting other's beliefs put me down but I can't help it. I'm just anxious thinking about it.
No.6552
>>6548>>6550I think you guys are around some obxious people because most of the "old men" I see people gush about are in their 30s and most people invested in those ships seems to be in their mid to late 20s.
Not that teenagers trying to be seen as unique aren't annoyingly loud about it. That's where I think the "Old Man" label comes from because otherwise they just aren't old. But I also think it's just people growing up and their tastes changing as well.
No.6553
Good lord, the pokemon fandom sure is going apeshit right now over some of those leaks. I feel bad for any artists drawing pokemon like Typhlosion who now have to deal with annoying memelords in their replies.
No.6554
>>6551You just gotta have the realization that men of all walks of life do 1000x worse shit irl than you who is just thinking that two men fucking is hot. There's nothing to feel guilty about.
No.6555
>>6551>How do you live with this unrelenting anxiety of feeling like this monster for "fetizhing" gay men and not being a good "queer" ally by subjecting myself to literal garbage meant as good rep?? why would i feel bad for shipping two characters. people who bitch about fujos are just pissed that either their yuri ship has next to no content (because god damn fujos always ruining fandoms!!!!!!) or are eidens with too much free time on their hands
No.6556
>>6551Why would you be a monster for wanting to see cute anime guys kiss? Genuine question. You know that there are actually terrible and degenerate people out there? Like actual rapists and pedophiles? Am I supposed to believe I'm a monster for wanting to see Gintoki take it up the butt or something?
No.6557
>>6551You're not doing anything wrong by shipping characters, it's harmless fun. And real gay man don't parrot the fetishizing line, they know full well fujoshi of all people aren't a threat to them in any level. It's always TIFs saying that because they see a woman who indulges in her hobby without lobbing her tits off and get mad, because of she's happy being a regular girl liking yaoi, then that means they ruined their lives for nothing. They're trying to guilt trip you for not being mentally ill, don't let them get to you.
No.6558
>>6548I think it's a little of both, especially when it not uncommon for men to turn bishies into "femboys" and draw them as either basically women or shota.
No.6559
>>6551If you really want to rationalize it, the male characters in BL are treated with much more respect than lesbians in male-created GL. They have ambitions and personalities, and their relationships are often built with time and dedication, true appreciation for them as a couple. That's pretty good representation in my eyes. Additionally, it's created by women for women so you could argue that the male characters are more female aligned than male, and women experimenting with even less palatable story points sometimes requires them to take a step back and look at it through a male character's eyes since women are relentlessly mocked, sexualized and depersonalized in both media and in our real lives. And to top it off, I have never in my life met a gay man who was bothered by the existence of BL and wasn't a sneaky grifter a la James Somerton.
No.6560
>>6551the average moid watches vile shit involving real women and girls and have given the word "lesbian" a near unavoidable pornographic association, us enjoying fictional gay men shagging and romancing each other isn't comparable in any shape or sort, real gay men don't give a fuck about fujos but real lesbians live in fear of the straight me who fetishize them, what
>>6554 said
>>6555i like the occasional interesting yuri ship but i never understood why yuri fans get so mad their ships have no content, like what's stopping you from drawing your otp or writing fanfic yourself? if you have no artistic/writing talent go put your money where your mouth is and commission it, as long as (predominantly male attracted) women dominate fandom there will always be a bias towards male characters, the male fans just usually only create porn they can coom to
No.6561
>>6560>i like the occasional interesting yuri ship but i never understood why yuri fans get so mad their ships have no content, like what's stopping you from drawing your otp or writing fanfic yourself?The issue for them isn't that there isn't enough yuri content, it's that there's too much fujo content. It's a power struggle to them and a lot of yurifags aren't really into GL, they just hate yaoi. Just recently some sperg on Twitter became the main character for a day for complaining about the lesbian director's lesbian girlfriend "brainwashing" her into putting a m/m kiss scene in the Alien Stage series even though it's a collaborated effort between the two of them, and the girlfriend ended up deleting a lot of her stuff. They would rather bitch and moan about real life lesbians producing content for free than build an actual community.
No.6562
>>6561Really hate how people treat fanartists and fic writers as "resources" that should be allocated how they desire instead of living breathing people simply following their passions.
No.6563
>>6560>what's stopping you from drawing your otp or writing fanfic yourself? if you have no artistic/writing talent go put your money where your mouth is and commission itthese yurifags are all underage, they have no money and no attention spam to draw or write anything good. if they DO have attention (autism) they just make the most boring shit ever, so they seek out other people to consume their content too.
Most yurifags also just hate yaoi for no reason, because there's too much of it. they're bitter :p
No.6564
>>6551It's kinda cringe to be worrying about some guy's feelings when those guys jerk off to Asanagi and Gengoroh Tagame just fine without giving a flying fuck about what you or any other person thinks.
No.6565
>>6560>I never understood why yuri fans get so mad their ships have no content, like what's stopping you from drawing your otp or writing fanfic yourself?I never got this either, I've written and drawn for fandoms almost nobody in the west even knows about, rarepairs in male-oriented fiction, old shows I haven't seen anyone else like, etc. Fujos will make art and fiction for country blobs and food out of boredom. Think of all the Kirk/Spock shippers, Saint Seiya doujin authors, and Year 24 group writers. I haven't seen very many yuri fans with that amount of creative drive.
I also think yuri fans are scared to death to touch pairings that have little canon interaction. Or are "toxic" / interesting beyond fluff. Both of those aren't fujo problems.
No.6569
>>6567>I wonder if most aren't even really yuri fans and just want to complain to seem woke or somethingA lot of them are only yuri fans in name or surface level ones. As in they'll retweet and like art and post about how cute XYZ ship is but they won't do much more than that. Many of them only like GL in performative way as well, they just use it as a shield to complain about how much content yaoi ships get. There are also hetshippers that larp as yuri fans for the same reason, if anyone saw the recent ALNST drama it was actually started by a hetfag.
From my own observation yuri fans tend to make more fanart than fics (if they do any sort of content creation at all). I'm starting to wonder if this is just because it's generally "easier" to churn out art than fanfic, i.e. unless it's a comic, art is just a snapshot; drawing two girls kissing and cuddling doesn't require much investment or care for the ship, while fanfic requires you to write out more scenes and good writers are a lot more invested in the characters and pay attention to specifics like believable characterization/dialogue. Not trying to downplay the energy and effort it takes to draw, I'm an artist myself.
Yurifags will chalk it up to misogyny but they really just don't care to do anything. Fanfic has no barriers to entry and it's a complete free for all so the lack of content is entirely their own fault. And then they'll twist it around and say they'd rather have a few, but good quality fics than thousands of shitty one like M/M pairings. Just a bunch of cope all around.
No.6570
>>6569My observations match yours for the most part. They don't seem to openly brainrot much as het or m/m shippers either.
>doesn't require much investment or care for the shipAnother thing to consider is that fanartists can chase the bag in a way that fanwriters generally cannot. Good artists can both draw what ships they like but also draw FOTM ships that will directly translate to more eyes and potential money (and very rarely does f/f reach FOTM, so this further skews the numbers). Good fic writers are 99.9% following their own heart, .1% doing secret smut commissions. Because most good fic writers have a pussy (the brainrot organ), that means it skews toward involving at least one male.
No.6572
>>6570Your point on FOTM ships is exactly it. You can see this trend play out with all types of shippers. Artists will draw Genshin and make merch for it even if they don't care about game because it's easy clout, but you never hear about people writing fanfic for things they don't care about. There's little reward for it since it's harder to monetize writing than art. So I guess if anything, yuri fanart that blows up doesn't give an accurate picture of how many genuinely invested fans there are. Easy to retweet fanart of anything as long as it looks nice but most people won't read fic for a ship they have absolutely zero interest in. Was trying to figure out why Labru is catching up to Farcille more quickly despite seeing more hype for the latter but this answers my questions. Maybe AO3 is the ultimate true fan test kek.
No.6573
>>6551>this monster for "fetizhing??? Men sexualize literally anything relating to women, fashion styles like goth or punk, feet, even being a femcel now is fetishized. However somehow women are supposed to feel "bad" for a perfectly natural attraction to men that are mostly into 2d? Damn.
No.6574
>>6551I don't give a single fuck. God forbid I read BL manga or doujinshi about fictional men falling in love with each other and maybe sometimes fucking when I can't get out of my home without real men being a nuisance and trying to commit crimes against me. Maybe the idiots who complain about fetishization should work harder against real porn, rape and feminicide instead of whining online because of lines on a sheet of paper.
No.6577
>>6560I could give Yuri a chance but the ones I've glanced at haven't enticed me in the slightest. Weird because I personally enjoy some western lesbian pairings but all the eastern ones feel tacked on. The closest to getting me hooked were manwha and their couples but the styles they have are acquired taste lol.
No.6581
>>6551>implying I feel bad for liking itYou shouldn't care. First, remember that people who say this shit are either not even fujos but some mentally ill childish people that invade other fandoms to get attention or they are fujos and then they lie and actually feel like you so posting more yaoi might help them coming out of the closet or joining.
Secondly, it's literally just about 2D drawings. There are people murdering thousands out there right now and everyday since the beginning of humanity. People that cheer for them, people that oppress, bully, murder, rape, burn or bomb whole cities to ash, even people that "only" look down on others or side with the oppressors/bullies.
What does it tell you that all these self-acclaimed warriors of morality care about is about liking some cartoon the "right" way but not any of the million serious issues?
It tells you that they're sheltered toddlers. We could have a world war and they wouldn't give a shit because all they care is their tiny safe place they're living at and they're always safe because they're usually wealthy cozzed kids that leech off of their parents money and whose most traumatizing experience was that someone made a negative reply on tumblr.
Do you really think these people are worth your worries? That they know shit? That they even deserve your attention?
Just draw or write about your favorite men ramming dick into each other. Let those people block you. Don't engage. You will most likely notice how big the world is and how many chill fans will enjoy your stuff. The moral police won't. They are only there to project their garbage into things or to shill their tranny OCs.
No.6582
>>6548>>6550I think like
>>6552. I only see it being used in a harmless, funny way. There was some point after I have turned 25 from which on I started to like a lot of 2D dudes in their early 40s myself, so I also believe that it's just changing taste and if anything the "old" is meant to set them apart from the ships they liked before. Or it's just fun.
Like I often don't know what I should say when I post a fanart of mine and saying nothing feels weird sometimes (or might make people assume that I stole/reposted someone else's art if it's twitter), so generic lines like "I love these two gay old men" is some harmless standard message that is neither provoking, political or negative.
I only used it once since I am not a fan either, but it doesn't strike as odd as the many fujo fans that call their favorites "girls" or something.
No.6584
>>6581>favorite mendo OCs count or nah?
No.6585
The talk about virtue signalling just reminded me that I hate how fujo spaces I frequent turned into this kind of.. moralizing shit holes? Tranny content and homo hate aside, I barely find people that aren't into vanilla only anymore. I am not into every fetish either and neither do I dislike vanilla, but I get upset if I see call outs everytime a fanart isn't pure, 100% consensual, fetish-less shipping. It's not the point of a community or fandom to force everybody to enjoy the same shit because someone deems everything else evil or sinful.
I dunno maybe it was always like this and I didn't know. But if I get insecure about whether or not I am allowed to post something I stop doing it. This isn't about FC btw. I am thinking of discords, SNSs and other boards. I recently witnessed two outrages in different places over a tentacle/villain fanart and respectively a link to an artist who once uploaded two harmless (well-drawn!) bondage pics and I was baffled because both places seemed to be chill before.
It doesn't help that I can simply not estimate what's okay and what isn't anymore since people discern between good and bad gay porn. You see cock-sucking posts or gang bang and think "oh well, then everything goes", but no, dubcon is a no go. Then you see tentacle porn but shota is no go. Then you see shota but fetishes are the no go. I am losing my mind.
This is why fujo spaces should be FUJO. Rotten. No fucking men, no tranny, no wokeoids, just horny degenerated women that enjoy lewd shit with their shitty 2D men.
No.6586
>>6585Apparently, villain shit is fine as long as you don't frame the villain in the right or something. I'm serious on that one. Someone literally told me that's the only instance it's fine otherwise the author's awful for making a self-indulgent antagonist in a literal wish fulfillment story no less.
No.6587
>>6584Of course. Draw what you want nonna.
No.6588
>>6586I sadly see that everywhere. I suffer, because I am a villain fag. And even in chill places I always see fans who are calling a villain hot doing a follow-up post in which they clarify that they want to punch him or that he totally deserves [insert what actually happened or what they want him to happen].
And I say "why?". Why can't you just like your little shit. Why so insecure? Why claiming that they only considered a bad guy hot but TOTALLY disagreed with him and confirm that he should suffer. It kills my ladyboner.
What makes it worse is that people define framing differently. Media literacy is an issue and I see many thinking that "not condemning" equaled "framing as good", which is absolutely not the case. I can have a conservative or commie character that just happens to be conservative (or commie). I don't need a blinking sign saying "evil and wrong", maybe I just want a diverse cast? Or maybe I expect my audience to be smart enough to know what's bad without saying it. Or I use them for future character development. Why should I force in some corny scenes in which they beg for forgiveness and tell us how wrong they were? It's stupid and unnatural. Just let them change in peace or not at all and just let us have some fun with weirdos or villains.
No.6589
The villain talk has me thinking again about how villains nowadays are barely real villains. I think the only one recently who can kind of fit into the old villain model is Jimmy from Mouthwash. He's a horrible person, rotten to the core and seeing people still like him and draw him is a breath of fresh air.
Nowadays every god damn villain has to have a sad backstory, or "just" murder some people (never women and kids) or go for only other bad guys. So he's bad for killing but not really because he's killing rapists or something. Also, when did we stop making villains actually even? Where is the misogyny, the rape, the child rape, sex trafficking, drugs, pedophilia, all that shit?
I don't a Bill Cipher I want another Hisoka….stop redeeming villains they're villains for a god damn reason
No.6591
>>6588>"why?"They can only do preemptive damage control for the negative reaction to their shipping/porn opinions because it's socially unacceptable to use harsh words to defend themselves or the things they like. If an anti tries to moralize in a lolicon artist's comments they are going to get a wall of chuds calling them a faggot/retard and telling them to kill themselves.
That is why artists who incidentally have a chud audience NEVER get the kind of shit fujos do because they WILL harass/doxx you right back. I am very jealous of how well insulated from all this bullshit male-leaning 2d spaces are.
No.6594
>>6589This, yeah. Most cartoons/anime don't have villains to begin with anymore since they're healing, school, SoL, whatever. The rest mostly has antagonists or rivals, sometimes guys that are misunderstood or actually good which is the twist. Not saying that such shows are bad, but I crave actual villains too and I don't get them.
And even when you rarely find one shit happens as you say. The writers then lack the balls to make them really bad. So they kill some criminal or so, making them more of an anti-hero or morally grey one than a villain. And most of the few actual villains remain are machines, aliens, clone armies or monsters that only exist to threat and get killed, they're not actual persons.
Honestly can only think of (maybe) Adam from SK8 and Takauji from Nige Jozu no Wakagimi if we're talking about recent anime series. Takauji might eventually get painted as a victim himself since he's obviously possessed by some evil shit but he kills and his lackeys are largely evil and the reason for why I picked it up in the first place. I am a huge fan of Hellsing Ultimate because of this. I want more characters like Hisoka. I want KEFKA. Hell I love Kefka, he's one of my all-time favs.
No.6595
>>6591>I am very jealous of how well insulated from all this bullshit male-leaning 2d spaces areThis is why I like FC and the occasional peaceful fujo thread on /a/. This is the only method. An it IS justified to react that way, because someone coming to a fan space to bitch IS a disruptive force that should shut up. You wouldn't expect niceness if you went to a football match and screamed that football was shit. I am sad that so many women think that everybody had to force niceness. "Fuck off" and being called a retard is a clear message and IMO better than vague hinting that will eventually cause secret infighting and passive aggressive arguments. Make clear that these people should shut up, go or post gay.
No.6596
>>6595I'm jealous of them too, that's why on all my new accounts I make sure to not self censor myself. If you're honest from the beginning about what you like/are ambivalent about, it's less likely that people who want to stir up shit will follow in the first place. There's no skeletons to shock people digging around your closet if you display them on your porch lol
Not bullet proof of course, there's always a person or two that people like to make examples off, but I find it helps
No.6597
I don't think I'll ever understand genshin shippers, like the characters are so paper thin it's not even worth calling them characters, I just never see the appeal
No.6598
>>6594I've mentioned before in some thread somewhere that I personally have trouble writing villains, and this conversation has got me really thinking about what kind of villain I would enjoy writing. I've had strong opinions in the past about how some villain characters are more interesting because the author gave them some humanizing detail that conflicts with their behavior and leads them into a doubleact. Serial killers who conceal their hobby from old friends or desperately preserve their image in the mind of their beloved, even as they fully accept that it's in their nature to slaughter and toy with the flesh.
I like that Takauji is obliviously unhinged. Always had a fetish for characters being called monsters, but his behavior is truly highlighted as inhuman and knowing odd details about the real guy I don't think the author will write it off as "not really him". Oddly I got the same feeling as him from a character in a webnovel I've been reading, where the protagonist got in a car with someone and then realized there was no way to read the driver's expression to know if he'd drive into oncoming traffic on a whim. Reading a novel I really fucking love that unpredictability and the negotiations to deescalate their violent thinking. I'm not so sure about it as horny ship material, but I'd be lying if I said there isn't an appeal in a pretty boy idol ship referred to by the action of sledgehammering a puppy's face in. The implied viciousness fires up the neurons. I think it's important that we have fiction where we can play with that sensation from the safety of our keyboards.
No.6599
>>6597> I don't understand how people ship two conventionally attractive guys together. It makes perfect sense though I similarly can't get into gacha shipping. We have a dynamic verses attractiveness thread somewhere around here if you're interested in sharing more indepth thoughts.
No.6600
On the subject of villains, I like it when a normal or even upstanding person snaps and goes insane, or gets corrupted. Saya no uta was one of the first VNs I played and one of the things I enjoyed about it was how essentially you're playing as one of the villains in a horror story.
No.6601
>>6599there are literally only two body types for male genshin characters, they are basically the same two character models in different outfits and nothing else
No.6602
>>6597Have you played the game?
No.6603
>>6602Nta, I have and she's right all the ships suck
No.6604
>>6597Does it really matter. Just because you don't get it doesn't it's bad or meaningless. However, it is easy to feel confused when most of the cast feel like clones of each other. There's some ships I get, the one's I get the most were usually hetshit lol.
No.6605
>>6601This isn't a Genshin exclusive problem, though it does seem to be uniquely bad for the style of game it is.
For whatever reason most female-oriented works have the same-body same-face problem. I don't understand why since they're predominantly made by women I assume, so you'd think they'd have better sense to crave to multiple tastes.
But most gacha is weird because most gacha don't cater to women but then accidentally create way more variety in men since they aren't filtering them through the lens of trying to be attractive in the first place. Think something like Arknights or F/GO which have a huge range from bishie, monster boy, all the way up to hunk but the creators seemingly weren't even trying to catch a female audience in the first place.
I haven't played Genshin but I have seen enough fan art to agree a lot of their male characters just seem to be slightly toned pretty boy, do you think it's a limitation of being a 3D game and building off of the same model or is it actually just bad character design? ZZZ is by the same company and doesn't seem to have this problem, but it's also half furfag nonsense.
No.6607
>>6605They're mobile live service games that need to make characters, kits, and story beforehand so any cost saving measure is a blessing in disguise. Can't say for the women-ornetied stuff but if you ask any women, a lot of their taste in men more or less overlap. So are women monoliths then? Can't say. I personally don't mind since it's anime, i'm not expecting everyone to look unique, that's more of a western character design philosophy not an eastern one.
No.6608
>>6606Overdesigned? Without a doubt I mean look at his clothes.
Hideous? Nah, I like the big ears and the face and hair are pretty.
Never played the game either though, I'm willing to overlook a lot of fantasy BS designs if the character uas a good personality. I don't envy the fans of the game who are forced to draw their overly detailed clothes.
No.6609
>>6607I disagree insomuch as there are still clear character archtypes. Aka the shota, the muscular one, ikeman, nerd, ect.
What I'm saying is if I pick up a harem series aimed at men they have all the characters from the younger sister to the milf ready to go. When I pick up a game aimed at women the game might tell me that I'm romancing a nerd character but he's still an ikemen they've just slapped glasses on him. Or the fit athletic man has the same bodytype as the soft spoken bookworm or school recluse.
It's super disappointing and boring. I also disagree with it being a "western" mentality since besides the sterotypical harem set up listed above the gay "Afterschool Summoners" also has way more characters variety than most female-tsrgeted works but is, again, unfortunately aimed at a gay crowd so theres a lot of bara.
No.6610
>>6606The character in your picrel has a cringe outfit but he's one of my favourite characters and the game has a ton of fujobait of him and another boy. The characters tend to be overdesigned because you have to stare at them while playing so they need to have a lot of visual elements that make them interesting to look at, it's a calculated decision because Genshin isn't a PNG collector like a lot of other gachas but you actually watch the character models as you play.
To be honest I sometimes feel people who hate Genshin bring the game up way more than people who actually like the game. We get it, popular thing bad, let Genshin fujos have their ships. The weirdest occurrence on this site alone is when they call FGO the better gacha just because of Arjuna and Karna.
No.6611
>>6610>The weirdest occurrence on this site alone is when they call FGO the better gacha just because of Arjuna and Karna.Nonna why you gotta call me out like that? Though my main ship is Sanson/Robin Hood :p
I disagree, mainly because I like the broader Fate franchise and like the historical theming. But I get exactly where you're coming from I think people hate on Genshin too much because it's popular and put it under a lot of scrutiny it wouldn't have otherwise gotten. The fans are far from annoying and I run into haters more often in the wild. Not for me, but I hope your gacha of choice is fum and enjoy your absolute ocean of fanworks.
No.6612
>>6597It's the same principle that made Homestuck so big. You have a large cast of characters that serve as an archetype but are so shallow that you can fluff them up with projections and headcanons. Any media that has a significant amount of AUs versus canon-compliant (or even canon-CONSIDERATE) works on Ao3 usually falls into this category.
>>6611I think it also gets a lot of hate because it was another fandom that had a billion antis that would often splash up against spaces that did not concern them. Skipping posts made by anemo boy pfps has become instinctual to me.
No.6613
>>6611Don't worry anon, I play FGO too because I really love the characters and the broader Fate franchise too. But I was referring to some anon who said that FGO is better in terms of fujobait because Arjuna and Karna exist which is just a wild assessment and makes no sense because in Genshin almost every male character has fujopandering with some other character and in FGO most men have a canonical female love interest and/or are aggressively heterosexual.
No.6614
>>6610I think when it comes to variety of character design Touken Ranbu might be a better example.
No.6617
>>6602A few years back, It was fun until it got too grindy for my taste
>>6604never said it was wrong, just said it was something I'll never understand
No.6618
>>6614I'm a fairly longtime TouRabu fan now who's played daily for years and spent far too much cash, but I'm still waiting for actual old men and confirmed chubby. Recently they've added some designs that feel more TWST or ParaLive than what I got into swords for, but they're consistent in their approach to creating personalities that fit into dynamics. I've never played Genshin, but from what I've seen people fussing over it sounds like the NPCs are made with connections to other characters in mind, so while the designs don't appeal to me I can see why they're shippable. I just prefer the type of dynamics bait that TouRabu produces.
No.6621
>>6589>>6585>how fujo spaces I frequent turned into this kind of.. moralizing shit holes? >Nowadays every god damn villain has to have a sad backstoryStraight-up villains are basically not allowed anymore, at least not in popular fandoms.
The same shift happened in BL. We can't get the same amout of "villain with no sad backstory nor justifications" because then some fans will start the infinite questioning on your reason for liking it, if you like it for A reason or B reason, or if you made sure to condemn the villain enough everytime you talk about him etc
Even some fujo would make huge selfloathing posts about "Having to improve BL mangas".
It's a purity rabbithole.
Shipping spaces are even worse, I remember back on Tumblr, a schizo fan would rant about everyone in the fandom because they didn’t write villain character as a soft sweet boyfriend lol.
It's not that I dislike redemption arcs, but the insistence on moral absolutes it's exhausting.
They also conveniently choose how to use morality when it comes to their favorite character.
For example, one character is a villain, no excuses for them, another character is a 'good guy', behaves like shit, all excuses in the world.
It's like they can't see nuance, it's either black or white.
No.6623
>>6622>when the non-opt-out AI training kicks in. Apparently this is a GDPR violation for EU so I wonder if this means they can't actually remove the opt out. Unless they'd have to, I dunno, keep the opt out for EU users only. I personally never cared when people kept trying to tell me bsky is better cause as long as the content I want to see isn't on there I had no reason to move. I will say that this feels like the biggest wave so far of non-western artists also sharing their bsky. I guess it's because now you don't need an invite code anymore.
No.6625
>>6622I swear to fucking god I'm this close to alogging because of this retarded faggot apartheid clyde whose mother confirmed yet again that he's a literal, diagnosed retard. I also hate retarded normies who actually paid even one cent for this platform as if we weren't already paying for it by being exposed to ads and getting out data sold to companies, all because they wanted to edit a few typos here and there. I'm slowly going to move to Bluesky because of this shit, and will follow artists who will move as well. See if you can follow your favorite artists on pixiv and bluesky because most Japanese artists are trying to leave because of the new AI training bullshit that will be forced on us on November. Before that you could opt out of it so people weren't too worried yet. One issue though is that I'm not sure everyone will move and some official accounts I follow for news aren't on Bluesky yet.
If you're the type to retweet art you like I suggest you go to your settings on twitter and download your data so you can have everything you posted and retweeted saved in one place before people nuke their accounts on November. That's what I did before deleting my previous accounts.
>>6623With what happened with Brazil I wouldn't be surprised if muskrat were ok with Twitter being banned for EU countries, even if it's a huge loss in terms of audience/users.
No.6626
Wait, what? I'm out of the loop, is Twitter forcing a no-opt AI training policy on people? I was wondering why so many of the artists I follow moved to bsky today but now it makes sense. As an artist myself I better pack up my shit as well, I'm not contributing anything for Muskrat's shitty AI escapades and I'm sick of him ruining twitter further and further just out of spite.
No.6627
>>6624How is junjou romantica of all things pedofilia in any sense… Its definitely ~~problematic~~ but it's not even in a school setting and the setting even goes out of its way to make it clear Misaki and Shinobu (best boy) are 18, well done for staying uninvolved in that conversation though, I overheard a similar conversation like that at uni and the second hand embarrassment was nuts
No.6628
>>6626Yes, it will be applied mid November. In the meantime you can opt out but only from a desktop. If you have a lot of followers you could delete your pictures and keep your account to advertise your Bluesky account or anything else, I doubt everyone will delete their twitter account but now people are planning back up accounts a lot more than usual.
No.6629
>>6627They didn't call Junjou Romantica pedophilia but they said it had abuse. What they called pedophilia was Boku no Pico and then called all shota content pedophilia.
>I overheard a similar conversation like that at uni and the second hand embarrassment was nutsUgh, some conversations are just meant to be had only on the Internet.
No.6630
Why do retards conflate two dimensional erotic art with literal daddy little choke porn? I've been seeing take in the farms lately since the whole /2x/ revival and I see no end to it. Being called pornrotted, moid worshipping degens every time bl is brought outside containment. Do these people have lives outside of sperging about the ebil fujos corrupting their waifus and husbandos with their "flith".
No.6632
>>6626I hate it because I don't feel like moving to Bluesky. I already have an account there since 2023 and couldn't bring myself to post anything besides 10 random pics. It doesn't help that I would have to find ALL the people I follow again as well as the ones that followed me it frustrates me.
I have like 1500 I follow and 1100 followers on twitter for some niche husbandos I draw and on BS you are back to 2-10 likes per pic since the fans with the same taste are hard to find there. I have an executive dysfunction I don't want to start anew AAAHHHHH
That aside 90% of the people that follow me and that I follow on Twitter are Asians and most of them seem to stay on twitter. In the end I will do what the Asians do. If they stay I won't bother with BS. The AI crap will eventually infect BS as well and art gets stolen anyway.
No.6633
>>6629Genuinely, whenever people say shit like "terf" and "proship" in a real physical space I half want to laugh and half want to cry
Pic unrelated, just think you nonnies deserve some bunnyboy Saihara
No.6634
>>6632Use Sky Follower Bridge on desktop to see if anyone you follow on twitter uses the same ID or name on bluesky to make things easier. And you could also check who posted screenshots of their profile/ID when bluesky stopped being invite only earlier this year. Unfortunately not many people posted or post links right now because of how the twitter algorithm hides anything with links.
>That aside 90% of the people that follow me and that I follow on Twitter are Asians and most of them seem to stay on twitterThe Japanese and Korean artists I follow are jumping ship and actually posting on Bluesky even if it's just a little bit for now. Not all of them though, I think some will stay on twitter but will stop posting their art because of the new rules on AI training.
No.6636
I've never used twitter, so what's Bluesky like? Is it like a copy of twitter?
No.6639
>>6634I don't have any algorithm on twitter (PC master race) but while there is a huge increase of people linking their accounts now it's still not even a third of the total I follows. Asians are doing it so that's a new thing. So far they never gave a shit, but the AI training is too much for them. I hope that everybody will eventually link it but the issue is that many (myself included) are too tired to start anew. The majority of followers and ppl you follow will always be lost since they don't care or not use twitter regularly enough or have old accounts they're unwilling to give up.
It's shit. Someone else said it, it's like you spent a decade building your home and decorating your room only to abandon it because of invaders that took over your city and vandalize it.
No.6640
>>6636It has yet to have private accounts but they are now almost identical in features. Bluesky's block features are great and prevent a lot of the shit stirring people can do on Twitter.
>>6637The addon that helps you make the jump (Sky Follower Bridge) had over 300 artists for me to follow today, so I'm hoping a lot of people can stick to the switch, or at least try crossposting.
The big draw for me right now is that there are not one but two lists I've found that you can sub to and automatically block anybody with "proship DNI" and related terms in their bio:
https://bsky.app/profile/kakaeyanin.bsky.social/lists/3l6p57gqrbk2ahttps://bsky.app/profile/challahchic.bsky.social/lists/3l4rwr4qgaz2tBeing able to pre-block somebody before they even see your art/posts and start building a dossier is pretty cool. The culture of "block, do not engage" has kept things pretty nice so far and I'm hoping all the new users readily adopt it.
No.6641
>>6637The translator is also merde. It links to google translate instead of having it built-in. I hope they change that.
No.6643
>>6639By algorithm I meant how the search function got so bad recently that you'll be shown posts that don't have any of the words or tags you put in the search bar, not the "for you" page. I use twitter on both desktop and smartphone and the results are equally trash. I looked up this week "dunkin donuts" and the name of my city to see if we have a definite date and address for when the first one will open here and twitter confused "dunkin" with the French city "Dunkerque" kek so yeah it's pretty bad. Before that it was a little too good so you'd have all tje words you looked for but sometimes in any order so you needed to use commas. All of this to say the search function changed and doesn't favor posts with links, and months ago you couldn't add a link in your bio that led to direct competition like Bluesky or Threads when they came up. And iirc people have started to post links to their Bluesky accounts around February or March when it stopped being invite only but muskrat got so salty he shadowbanned accounts doing that, which is why people post screenshots now.
>Someone else said it, it's like you spent a decade building your home and decorating your room only to abandon it because of invaders that took over your city and vandalize it.Agreed. I'm mad as hell right now because I've used twitter for a long time and made myself "home" here but I've blocked too many people to avoid actual porn, bots, spoilers/leaks, just things I don't like so if elon really goes with it my tl will be awful anf twitter will stop being fun. Fingers crossed the EU and Apple and Google will force him to change his mind on the matter.
No.6644
>>6640I'm not a huge fan of the telephone number thing, do we still need to supply phone number?
The rules also talk about 'hate speech iconography' which gives me the creeps due to how subjective 'hate speech' is. I'm still on platforms that use the term because I've made a home on those platforms, but I'm frankly more inclined towards getting my blog flagged intentionally, I don't want to have to constantly check if a character is, say, drinking milk. But then I might have to worry that people who might be fun to interact might have that blocked because they don't agree with me on the problamticness of 'hate speech'.
I'm in history-based fandoms too, so that complicates things further.
No.6646
Is it possible to gain a following for just drawing m/m oc content or do I have to force myself to do fanart? There are media I like, but not enough to make bl/slash content out of.
No.6648
>>6646I think anybody can but it's a slow roll without the boost that fanart will get you. I've been baited like this before (unintentionally or not) and have rarely dropped an artist because of it (reasons I have: too many textposts about OCs, start talking shit about what I initially followed them for). In my long history of looking at 2d gay porn online I can only think of ONE (1) artist who got big off of m/m OCs and that is hamletmachine.
>>6644I think text verification is still their thing, sorry anon. As for getting added to a wrongthink list, it's usually just for particularly vitriolic posters. I have yet to see any more specific fandom lists outside of the 'proship DNI' ones.
No.6649
>>6646That's a good question. I personally only follow M/M artists for fanart so when I see OC content it's only an occasional drawing when the artist isn't doing patreon requests, personal fanart or comms. I guess you'd maybe have to advertise yourself on art discords and/or make a webcomic that gains success.
No.6650
>>6646I think it's possible, but I sometimes feel like you have to be an Asian artist or grow an initial following with the aid of fanart but that's just because that grants you a lot more exposure and makes your account easier to find. I personally follow people for OC content if their tastes match what I like, but their art usually has to be a bit more conceptual than just OCs posing doing nothing unless they're specialized in interesting designs.
No.6651
>There's a feed for Japanese Posts only on bskyI really hope they get a better translation tool in the future because I really enjoy reading non-english posts.
>>6644I didn't have to supply a phone number. I used a proton email as well.
No.6652
Looking for artists from twitter on bluesky feels like treasure hunting.
No.6653
>>6648>>6649>>6650Would making a visual novel help or is that dumb?
No.6656
>>6652Make sure your language preferences allow for all languages (or just allow specific east asian languages like japanese if you're picky) if you're trying to find asian artists. Once I did that, it took me like 5 minutes to find a fujo artist that followed other fujo artists.
No.6659
>>6656I did that yesterday, I found that in my settings and realised I could have done that way earlier because all I could find when I first made my account were a lot of normie posts in my first language. I'm already following more people than on twitter.
No.6660
>>6653VN popularity is a complete cointoss. It's a feat for sure though. What exactly do you want out of your following? Clout, validation, money? More specific answers could yield more insight to the path you want to take (other than 'just draw/write for yourself', of course).
No.6662
>>6653If you do go the visual novel route, try and do it for a game jam that a youtuber will play. It reaches a larger audience that way.
>>6661Good luck fujona. I hope your endeavors into making a game come to fruition.
No.6663
>>6660Personally, I'm not looking to get popular. Going mainstream seems like hell tbh. You gotta deal with normies, tifs, and wueers demanding more out of you while something niche the people are content with what they want.
>>6662Maybe when school ain't kicking my ass. Thanks though.
No.6665
>>6663>Personally, I'm not looking to get popular. Going mainstream seems like hell tbh.I'd like to get better at art one day but I've definitely been thinking of how I wouldn't want to be the type of mainstream artist who ends up in an eternal patreon/comm grind where they have to draw popular flavour of the month shit for cash. Best case scenario to me is being someone like Endymade in the FFXIV fandom who has 41.3K followers from drawing self-indulgent OC x Canon ship content.
No.6666
>>6665>an eternal patreon/comm grind where they have to draw popular flavour of the month shit for cashThe good news is this is entirely by choice. You can get "beer money" tier of success with having a ko-fi available and drawing indulgent stuff and opening fast/cheap comms occasionally.
Although I would argue OC x canon being that popular for once is ONLY because it's XIV and the general understanding is WoL x NPC is usually the best ship for most NPCs, lol. I don't see that kind of acceptance for OC x canon in any other fandom, even straight up yume shit.
No.6674
>>6671This stuff always seems like a much bigger deal than it really is when it's online. My irl friends know I like shota and they don't give a shit. They poke fun at the whole thing sometimes but none of them is too bothered by it, especially since most of them are into questionable things themselves. Plus, I think owning it and not acting insecure about it also helps soften the reaction. Like yeah I'm cringe but I'm free, what are you gonna do about it?
No.6695
>>6671>>6674Really wish I was still in a friend group that didn't gaf. And that original group was my irl friends. A few school friends, and ex bf, and a cousin. Literally no one gaf. But I've grown distant from them after graduating and people moving away or unrelated family drama.
I love all my current online friends, but dear god is it annoying having to hide that one particular side of myself, so tiring, because it is a pretty large interest of mine. Tried making friends else where while being open about it, but none of those relationships ever got very far for no particular reason, even on accounts I'm really active on or trying to be social. I guess I just have bad luck!
No.6719
I don't know if I find it funny or annoying that het stuff and waifus are often barely getting any art because it's so weird posting in anime threads and having access to a large amount of 10/10 fanart for the dudes because fujos are drawing their pairings (or husbandos) and they're the only ones doing shit while the male fanbase whines about women and the lack of content because all of them are whining and nobody is doing anything or having the talent to do it.
Like I just visited a thread for a technically male oriented series with a lot of fanart posting again and all of it was clearly fujo content and so fucking pretty. And then you get the waifu fags posting the same crappy fanarts they have already posted a billion times because there is nothing else to choose from. It's even funnier when the waifus are main characters and still getting no art while you could fill a library with the art and fics some random male side characters get.
No.6774
>>6719Only an issue in male majority franchises with a largr male fanbase imo, there obviously is waifu content out there for them. Takes like one second to check on Nhentai kek
I don't get the complaining either. Nothing is stopping them from making their own either because everyone else can clearly draw/write het content in other fandoms.
No.6775
there's barely any shota/yaoi 3D content out there with actual good quality it makes me sad. You will never see the same detail and work some lolicon puts in animating/modeling loli ass in shota stuff. The 3D nsfw content we have is either /ss/ (which i hate) or very lanky and unappealing.
Where are the animator fujos…where are the shotacons modeling Ciel's fat ass so he can take cock properly!!! It's always 2D stuff!!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEE
No.6780
I thought I just didn't have any interest in f/f pairings outside of genderbends despite an attraction to girls in my school years, but I just had a thought about a rough delinquent girl who talks shit and kicks doors open, but gets really weak whenever she has period cramps and is so embarrassed if anyone finds out, and I need to pair her with a girl who will laugh at her and bring her a big toblerone. She is so dead when the cramps are over. Or she would be if she wasn't the one holding their bank cards and this wasn't her apartment.
Viva dynamics cliches. Long live opposites.
No.6783
>>6782Yeah, while there may be different reasons for why they're behaving this way I do feel sad over the young people who were brainwashed by the fandom police into thinking that they're doing something wrong if they express themselves in a certain way and they live in fear of getting mobbed.
No.6784
>>6782>>6783I think a big reason is monetization - be it them getting penalized by the platform for wrongthink, deplatformed due to excessive reports or them wanting to make money off art and terrified no one buys from a proshipper.
On the flipside, I've seen so many people sanitize their anti views nowadays - the Japanese artists have caught on to the anti antics and they have guides on how to block these people. And anyone with means to buy art won't really suffer fools. I still vet before paying anyone with my wallet name though.
No.6785
>>6783I do think it's fandom police, but I also think it's multiple reasons, mainly for the reason that I see this type of behavior in other parts of the web unrelated to fandom. I guess it's always been a little bit of a thing, "Can I leave the nutmeg out of my spiced milk??" (Of course you can, you can do anything, it's your food and it's up to you to decided whether that makes it breaks it). But I just feel I see it more and more. I think people may be anxious to have to infer information, even in low stakes/personal environments. But Maybe I'm just spitballing idk lol
>>6784For sure, and it kinda makes me sad cause I think alot of people are thinking about their brand/business before they're even close to that being a reality. Just a bunch of mf's ruining their art for the sake of potential future business, I hate itttttt. I want to see your heart!!!
No.6786
>>6782Unironically cancel culture. Cancel culture has stifled fandom for god knows how long now, probably during 2016 when trump got elected. Now everyone wants to cancel wrongthink, dox people, and harass anyone who dares dissent their cause. They're asking to avoid this fate because as soon as you go off the approved path, kiss those future job prospects goodbye. I wished it weren't this way, but with TRAs and adjacent spheres having it out for people, especially ties to anything deemed "terf-y".
No.6787
>>6782I blame social media addiction, the conflation of this with reality and an obsession to fit in. I barely see people picking anime or cartoons up on their own. Not even my old fujo friend is doing it anymore. No, the mass has to fucking TELL them to watch it. It has to be social media approved. I hate it to my guts.
I one of my friends to watch a recent great anime for months. Casually of course, I didn't do it often and I never forced. She claims to be obsessed with great direction, I post webm with top tier direction but she still doesn't watch it because instagram isn't talking about it and some shitty instashit friend she has said the manga wasn't that good.
My fujo friend is the same. She complaints about the lack of gay. I post anime with gay. Post all kinds of pairings, but she won't even watch Tiger and Bunny because fucking INSTAGRAM didn't talk about it. It's always instagram or fucking youtube. So a 15 year long friend of her means shit, but what some rando on the net says decides over whether or not they will watch a thing.
It honestly soured my enjoyment and I don't feel like talking to them anymore. I believe that it's even worse with pairings. People first look at the damn consensus on twitter and instagram and base their opinions on that and nobody watches anime anymore unless an "influencer" tells them to. The droneyfication of humanity.
No.6790
>>6782It's social media. Kids are more concerned with clout and how they are preceived than actually doing what they like.
I don't want to sound like a 14yo NLOG but this makes me want to keep watching old shows and making art for myself. I'm so sick of how everything has to be trending on Tiktok and how you "need" social approval to like a show. I don't remember the internet being this bad.
No.6791
>>6787>won't even watch Tiger and Bunny That's crazy because the doujin/fanart/fic backlog should be irresistible. I'm kind of bitchmade in that I will sometimes delay watching something that's "gay" because it never got a prolific fandom era for me to spelunk afterward (///￣ ￣///)
>>6784>I've seen so many people sanitize their anti views nowadaysThere are "proship DNI in profile" block lists floating around on Bluesky and you can already see people there putting "prosh1p DNI" and "pro$hip DNI" in their profiles to try and avoid it. It's so pathetic.
No.6792
>>6790Not yaoi related, but I started watching charmed and wanted to slap myself. Where was this show in my life? It checks off so many boxes with the witches and monster of the week content. I don't care if I was sperm in my dad's ball sack in the nineties, there's nothing wrong with watching old stuff. I'd even wager they're better than some of the new stuff.
No.6794
>>6792>the witches and monster of the week contentI had a friend get me to sit down and watch all of Buffy+Angel over the course of about a year and let me tell you I would have been sooooooooooooooo annoying about this in high school. I now understand why so much of it was in my peripherals while I was in online fandoms during the late 90s/early 00s.
No.6795
>>6791>There are "proship DNI in profile" block lists floating around on BlueskyHoly shit what a lifesaver. Do you think we could get away with pronouns in bio/tranny flag blocklists or would that get nabbed for "discrimination"?
No.6796
>>6795I wouldn't risk it. If you're openly discriminatory or radical towards any group of people, the moderation puts you in the extremist which makes your posts auto-hidden by anyone that hasn't unchecked the tick mark or it puts you in the intolerance group which auto-warns users. And I didn't even know about these things because they aren't in your settings, but are on the official bluesky moderation team profile.
No.6797
>>6794>in my peripherals >16,000 AMVs of Spike's song from the musical ep set to random anime dudesOh the memories.
No.6805
>>6787>but she won't even watch Tiger and Bunny because fucking INSTAGRAM didn't talk about it. It's always instagram or fucking youtube. So a 15 year long friend of her means shitThat's what I was thinking as well. I do understand the feeling of disappointment when you enjoyed something and you want to talk about it to people but you just get crickets but in this case she could literally just talk to you. Some of the most fun gaming moments I've had was liveblogging my Danganronpa and Ace attorney reactions in DMs to a friend.
No.6812
Why do some gay men take issue with women writing about gay men? it will never be the same as some pornsick straight man writing lesbians for porn reasons.
No.6813
>>6812They don't. It's always "MLM" TIFs i.e. straight and bisexual women.
No.6815
>>6812>>6813Sometimes you get actual gay men who hate it, like James Somerton, and in that case it's usually just the misogynistic variety of gay man who generally hates women. Which, I mean, isn't exactly different from the soft MLMs, but those men also usually just see the soft MLMs as women so they're not really on their side.
No.6824
>get into new fandom
>game is barely a month old
>already more than half the fics are PIV tranny shit
I hate being an atlus fan
No.6831
Man, sometimes I wish I was born like 7 years earlier so I could've experienced live journal at it's peak. I'm going through an old ship that doesn't have much archived content on modern websites and I'm so jealous of the community they had back then.
No.6835
>>6824Damn you weren't kidding. Kicking this further down in my backlog.
>>6831It's a little bittersweet. Having all of that discussion without the number of landmines we have today is nice, but honestly I would not trade Ao3/pixiv to go back. Miss the kinkmemes though.
No.6836
>>6824Is it untagged? I only found like 10 fics with the trans/piv tags. Then again, it's not like there's much fanfic yet either.
>>6835>would not trade Ao3/pixiv to go backI wouldn't either because of convenience, but I sorta wish there was some sort of community socmeds still out there that wasn't shitcord.
No.6838
I think I accidentally found a nonnie on bluesky and we're following each other and I think blew my anonymity before I realized…well, if you read this, hi.
No.6839
>>6835>Miss the kinkmemes thoughI wish we could bring them back they were rad and the fics were usually short so it incited people to put something out. Today there would be too much sperging about which kinks are problematic and which aren't and 80% of the content would be tranny self-inserting. That aside we have no communities anyway anymore. I feel like communities and subcultures as a whole disappeared long ago, at least in the west.
No.6841
>>6835I don't participate, but for the smaller userbase, kinkmemes still seem pretty actively and lively on dreamwidth
No.6842
Finding out about kink memes was quite a ride for me. When I was still more active in the Ace attorney fandom I found out that a good multi-chapter Wrightworth fanfic I was into was originally inspired by a kink meme prompt and I spent whole afternoons looking through Ace attorney kink meme pages.
No.6850
>>6796Do you think even just following a list like that would be an issue, like if we used a burner account for it? I want it really badly and I'll probably avoid English-speakers anyway. I tried to do this on twitter with doucheblock but muskrat broke it (and blocks themselves) and it was impossible to keep up. Also,
>>6640 how do you find those lists in the first place? I added these but couldn't find any others.
>>6787It's her loss missing out on Tiger & Bunny of all things because she'd rather take recs from random children on the internet. It's a shame nobody genuinely likes things anymore.
No.6852
>>6850>how do you find those lists in the first place?Currently it's word of mouth as lists are not searchable (perhaps by design? I don't know). Here are two more:
https://bsky.app/profile/foxyyaoguai.bsky.social/lists/3k6lukoqqpi2shttps://bsky.app/profile/dragonquill.bsky.social/lists/3l6qglrbzpe2t No.6853
>>6852>>6850You can also use clearsky which is where you can see who blocked who. Just find a random anti account and check which lists they're a member of. Here's one I just found
https://bsky.app/profile/skbstar.bsky.social/lists/3l6sktyluof2sYou can probably also block lists that they're a starter in because it's likely a list full of antis.
No.6857
Sometimes I consider myself very lucky for the fact that I am mostly into antagonists. Seeing so many hopes shattered because no matter how good a chemistry between two male main characters is if it's a shounen they will almost always write in a waifu for each of them do their best to kill any shred of ambivalence by making them bleed out of their nose or getting flustered when they're around even when it feels 100% ooc.
They rarely care about the antagonists or older dudes because they're too manly or weird to work as shitty self-insert for teen boys so their fujo fans keep getting fed, assuming they got pandering or good dynamics to begin with. But it depresses me regardless. Even when I am not into the characters I can see the potential they had it always hurts seeing it getting erased for some obligatory pair-up and it always scares a lot of fans away which makes the general fanbase deader even if the weirdos and villains are still popular.
No.6860
Might sound a tad political but do you believe that erotica and porn are the same thing? Would you blink an eye if porn was just banned one day? asking out of curiosity kek.
No.6861
>>6824it's not self-inserting, but projecting on the fandom part. Some they/them tranny sees a male character they like and they MUST be a tranny too. I don't know if it's just me but there's a clear difference when someone writes a cuntboy and when someone writes an actual tranny character.
Also, i miss when ABO was mainly know (and successfully gatekept) for being this weird and gross AU where males could give birth mainly through their ass. Now it's all pussy…we have lost ourselves and the west has fallen
No.6862
>>6860>do you believe that erotica and porn are the same thing?i guess erotica is written to be more sensual and sexy than to actually have full on sex like porn? idk i have never read erotica before
>Would you blink an eye if porn was just banned one day?as in world wide? yeah lol that would be an enormous redflag. on some online space like tumblr? it depends, tumblr is still kind of breathing but banning it on xitter or on your country would be really bad.
Nowadays some people are really against porn because they're retards just spreading censorship around with a thin coating of woke on top of it (also because they're mostly kids who get their opinions on things on tiktok)
No.6863
I am not even particularly anti-men but the more manga I read the more I believe that men, especially hetero men younger than 50, can't write. There are of course exceptions and I am not talking about anime, but manga (and it applies to books as well). But I think that the majority of potentially great series get fucked over for no other reason than male mangaka being incapable of not self-inserting. The MC and the waifus (usually characters that solely exist for fanservice or to get paired up) are shilled to hell and back even if it means ruining the story as a whole.
Like I cannot count how many series I read that started off fantastically, only to shove every good character away halfway in because the mangaka was obviously obsessed with some shitty new waifu he came up with. It's either that or the abysmal MC PoV-lock that prohibits the series to ever show other factions because that would mean that the precious self-insert wouldn't get the spot-light for some chapters. Not even TALKING about double-standards aka every other male dying but all waifus surviving thanks to boner plot armor and MC getting hack powers.
You can hear me groaning.
It wasn't really a problem in the 90s IMO which further convinces me that the reason for why so many manga are shit are sheltered loser authors that write manga like their self-indulgent fanfics (but without the passionate emotions or in-depth personality analysis fujo fics tend to have). I am so tired of manga with 10/10 side characters and pairings being trapped in series that turn into hot garbage because the author is busy shoving his favorite down my throat.
No.6864
>>6861>but there's a clear difference when someone writes a cuntboy and when someone writes an actual tranny character.Agree. I casually see Asians drawing my dudes as cuntmen but it's always handled like the casual genderbending fanart. Just a kinky pic for fun. It's also always tagged as cuntboy or some adjacent term and it's just the canon character with his canon backstory just with a V that is just their for sexual reasons. No "talk", no transness, nothing political and no ID bullshit.
I honestly was never really bothered by that art and it's very rare anyway. Tranny art would disturb me. Like seeing my fav revealing to be a woman with cut-off tits or something like.. why? Also how do they even explain the voice lol especially if it's historical settings.
No.6865
>>6861>there's a clear difference when someone writes a cuntboy and when someone writes an actual tranny character.It's all the same disgusting garbage either way to me. Both cuntboyfags and trannyfags are ridiculously bad at writing
No.6866
>>6863The solution is to read less shounen or only stick to older shounen.
No.6871
>>6865I agree. Even if it's not political but fetishistic it visually comes down to the same thing and I hate it. It's like the difference between futa and ~transfem~. I will say that lately modern fandom has given me motivation again to draw more cause I want to get good enough to contribute stuff I actually enjoy to a fandom.
No.6872
>>6863I see male writers as really good sandbox builders. Then the fujoshi who populate the sandbox mold the sand into pleasing shapes. Reading a work that pisses you off sometimes is the entry fee to the sandbox.
A lot of things penned by women don't give me fujo brainrot simply because women are far less likely to accidentally write an outstanding BL story with a character they plan to pair with somebody else (sasunaru). They tend to better understand what romantic dynamics are and if there is BL in female-made fandoms it's either by design (Wangxian) or the canon couples are so boring/underdeveloped people will instead boil characters down to their favorite tropes and go to town (enemies-to-lovers, Draco/Harry).
>>6871>given me motivation again to draw more cause I want to get good enough to contribute stuff I actually enjoy to a fandomREAL
No.6874
I suppose this thread is going to be locked in a few days since the 500 posts have been reached