No.6674
>>6671This stuff always seems like a much bigger deal than it really is when it's online. My irl friends know I like shota and they don't give a shit. They poke fun at the whole thing sometimes but none of them is too bothered by it, especially since most of them are into questionable things themselves. Plus, I think owning it and not acting insecure about it also helps soften the reaction. Like yeah I'm cringe but I'm free, what are you gonna do about it?
No.6695
>>6671>>6674Really wish I was still in a friend group that didn't gaf. And that original group was my irl friends. A few school friends, and ex bf, and a cousin. Literally no one gaf. But I've grown distant from them after graduating and people moving away or unrelated family drama.
I love all my current online friends, but dear god is it annoying having to hide that one particular side of myself, so tiring, because it is a pretty large interest of mine. Tried making friends else where while being open about it, but none of those relationships ever got very far for no particular reason, even on accounts I'm really active on or trying to be social. I guess I just have bad luck!
No.6719
I don't know if I find it funny or annoying that het stuff and waifus are often barely getting any art because it's so weird posting in anime threads and having access to a large amount of 10/10 fanart for the dudes because fujos are drawing their pairings (or husbandos) and they're the only ones doing shit while the male fanbase whines about women and the lack of content because all of them are whining and nobody is doing anything or having the talent to do it.
Like I just visited a thread for a technically male oriented series with a lot of fanart posting again and all of it was clearly fujo content and so fucking pretty. And then you get the waifu fags posting the same crappy fanarts they have already posted a billion times because there is nothing else to choose from. It's even funnier when the waifus are main characters and still getting no art while you could fill a library with the art and fics some random male side characters get.
No.6774
>>6719Only an issue in male majority franchises with a largr male fanbase imo, there obviously is waifu content out there for them. Takes like one second to check on Nhentai kek
I don't get the complaining either. Nothing is stopping them from making their own either because everyone else can clearly draw/write het content in other fandoms.
No.6775
there's barely any shota/yaoi 3D content out there with actual good quality it makes me sad. You will never see the same detail and work some lolicon puts in animating/modeling loli ass in shota stuff. The 3D nsfw content we have is either /ss/ (which i hate) or very lanky and unappealing.
Where are the animator fujos…where are the shotacons modeling Ciel's fat ass so he can take cock properly!!! It's always 2D stuff!!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEE
No.6780
I thought I just didn't have any interest in f/f pairings outside of genderbends despite an attraction to girls in my school years, but I just had a thought about a rough delinquent girl who talks shit and kicks doors open, but gets really weak whenever she has period cramps and is so embarrassed if anyone finds out, and I need to pair her with a girl who will laugh at her and bring her a big toblerone. She is so dead when the cramps are over. Or she would be if she wasn't the one holding their bank cards and this wasn't her apartment.
Viva dynamics cliches. Long live opposites.
No.6783
>>6782Yeah, while there may be different reasons for why they're behaving this way I do feel sad over the young people who were brainwashed by the fandom police into thinking that they're doing something wrong if they express themselves in a certain way and they live in fear of getting mobbed.
No.6784
>>6782>>6783I think a big reason is monetization - be it them getting penalized by the platform for wrongthink, deplatformed due to excessive reports or them wanting to make money off art and terrified no one buys from a proshipper.
On the flipside, I've seen so many people sanitize their anti views nowadays - the Japanese artists have caught on to the anti antics and they have guides on how to block these people. And anyone with means to buy art won't really suffer fools. I still vet before paying anyone with my wallet name though.
No.6785
>>6783I do think it's fandom police, but I also think it's multiple reasons, mainly for the reason that I see this type of behavior in other parts of the web unrelated to fandom. I guess it's always been a little bit of a thing, "Can I leave the nutmeg out of my spiced milk??" (Of course you can, you can do anything, it's your food and it's up to you to decided whether that makes it breaks it). But I just feel I see it more and more. I think people may be anxious to have to infer information, even in low stakes/personal environments. But Maybe I'm just spitballing idk lol
>>6784For sure, and it kinda makes me sad cause I think alot of people are thinking about their brand/business before they're even close to that being a reality. Just a bunch of mf's ruining their art for the sake of potential future business, I hate itttttt. I want to see your heart!!!
No.6786
>>6782Unironically cancel culture. Cancel culture has stifled fandom for god knows how long now, probably during 2016 when trump got elected. Now everyone wants to cancel wrongthink, dox people, and harass anyone who dares dissent their cause. They're asking to avoid this fate because as soon as you go off the approved path, kiss those future job prospects goodbye. I wished it weren't this way, but with TRAs and adjacent spheres having it out for people, especially ties to anything deemed "terf-y".
No.6787
>>6782I blame social media addiction, the conflation of this with reality and an obsession to fit in. I barely see people picking anime or cartoons up on their own. Not even my old fujo friend is doing it anymore. No, the mass has to fucking TELL them to watch it. It has to be social media approved. I hate it to my guts.
I one of my friends to watch a recent great anime for months. Casually of course, I didn't do it often and I never forced. She claims to be obsessed with great direction, I post webm with top tier direction but she still doesn't watch it because instagram isn't talking about it and some shitty instashit friend she has said the manga wasn't that good.
My fujo friend is the same. She complaints about the lack of gay. I post anime with gay. Post all kinds of pairings, but she won't even watch Tiger and Bunny because fucking INSTAGRAM didn't talk about it. It's always instagram or fucking youtube. So a 15 year long friend of her means shit, but what some rando on the net says decides over whether or not they will watch a thing.
It honestly soured my enjoyment and I don't feel like talking to them anymore. I believe that it's even worse with pairings. People first look at the damn consensus on twitter and instagram and base their opinions on that and nobody watches anime anymore unless an "influencer" tells them to. The droneyfication of humanity.
No.6790
>>6782It's social media. Kids are more concerned with clout and how they are preceived than actually doing what they like.
I don't want to sound like a 14yo NLOG but this makes me want to keep watching old shows and making art for myself. I'm so sick of how everything has to be trending on Tiktok and how you "need" social approval to like a show. I don't remember the internet being this bad.
No.6791
>>6787>won't even watch Tiger and Bunny That's crazy because the doujin/fanart/fic backlog should be irresistible. I'm kind of bitchmade in that I will sometimes delay watching something that's "gay" because it never got a prolific fandom era for me to spelunk afterward (///￣ ￣///)
>>6784>I've seen so many people sanitize their anti views nowadaysThere are "proship DNI in profile" block lists floating around on Bluesky and you can already see people there putting "prosh1p DNI" and "pro$hip DNI" in their profiles to try and avoid it. It's so pathetic.
No.6792
>>6790Not yaoi related, but I started watching charmed and wanted to slap myself. Where was this show in my life? It checks off so many boxes with the witches and monster of the week content. I don't care if I was sperm in my dad's ball sack in the nineties, there's nothing wrong with watching old stuff. I'd even wager they're better than some of the new stuff.
No.6794
>>6792>the witches and monster of the week contentI had a friend get me to sit down and watch all of Buffy+Angel over the course of about a year and let me tell you I would have been sooooooooooooooo annoying about this in high school. I now understand why so much of it was in my peripherals while I was in online fandoms during the late 90s/early 00s.
No.6795
>>6791>There are "proship DNI in profile" block lists floating around on BlueskyHoly shit what a lifesaver. Do you think we could get away with pronouns in bio/tranny flag blocklists or would that get nabbed for "discrimination"?
No.6796
>>6795I wouldn't risk it. If you're openly discriminatory or radical towards any group of people, the moderation puts you in the extremist which makes your posts auto-hidden by anyone that hasn't unchecked the tick mark or it puts you in the intolerance group which auto-warns users. And I didn't even know about these things because they aren't in your settings, but are on the official bluesky moderation team profile.
No.6797
>>6794>in my peripherals >16,000 AMVs of Spike's song from the musical ep set to random anime dudesOh the memories.
No.6805
>>6787>but she won't even watch Tiger and Bunny because fucking INSTAGRAM didn't talk about it. It's always instagram or fucking youtube. So a 15 year long friend of her means shitThat's what I was thinking as well. I do understand the feeling of disappointment when you enjoyed something and you want to talk about it to people but you just get crickets but in this case she could literally just talk to you. Some of the most fun gaming moments I've had was liveblogging my Danganronpa and Ace attorney reactions in DMs to a friend.
No.6812
Why do some gay men take issue with women writing about gay men? it will never be the same as some pornsick straight man writing lesbians for porn reasons.
No.6813
>>6812They don't. It's always "MLM" TIFs i.e. straight and bisexual women.
No.6815
>>6812>>6813Sometimes you get actual gay men who hate it, like James Somerton, and in that case it's usually just the misogynistic variety of gay man who generally hates women. Which, I mean, isn't exactly different from the soft MLMs, but those men also usually just see the soft MLMs as women so they're not really on their side.
No.6824
>get into new fandom
>game is barely a month old
>already more than half the fics are PIV tranny shit
I hate being an atlus fan
No.6831
Man, sometimes I wish I was born like 7 years earlier so I could've experienced live journal at it's peak. I'm going through an old ship that doesn't have much archived content on modern websites and I'm so jealous of the community they had back then.
No.6835
>>6824Damn you weren't kidding. Kicking this further down in my backlog.
>>6831It's a little bittersweet. Having all of that discussion without the number of landmines we have today is nice, but honestly I would not trade Ao3/pixiv to go back. Miss the kinkmemes though.
No.6836
>>6824Is it untagged? I only found like 10 fics with the trans/piv tags. Then again, it's not like there's much fanfic yet either.
>>6835>would not trade Ao3/pixiv to go backI wouldn't either because of convenience, but I sorta wish there was some sort of community socmeds still out there that wasn't shitcord.
No.6838
I think I accidentally found a nonnie on bluesky and we're following each other and I think blew my anonymity before I realized…well, if you read this, hi.
No.6839
>>6835>Miss the kinkmemes thoughI wish we could bring them back they were rad and the fics were usually short so it incited people to put something out. Today there would be too much sperging about which kinks are problematic and which aren't and 80% of the content would be tranny self-inserting. That aside we have no communities anyway anymore. I feel like communities and subcultures as a whole disappeared long ago, at least in the west.
No.6841
>>6835I don't participate, but for the smaller userbase, kinkmemes still seem pretty actively and lively on dreamwidth
No.6842
Finding out about kink memes was quite a ride for me. When I was still more active in the Ace attorney fandom I found out that a good multi-chapter Wrightworth fanfic I was into was originally inspired by a kink meme prompt and I spent whole afternoons looking through Ace attorney kink meme pages.
No.6850
>>6796Do you think even just following a list like that would be an issue, like if we used a burner account for it? I want it really badly and I'll probably avoid English-speakers anyway. I tried to do this on twitter with doucheblock but muskrat broke it (and blocks themselves) and it was impossible to keep up. Also,
>>6640 how do you find those lists in the first place? I added these but couldn't find any others.
>>6787It's her loss missing out on Tiger & Bunny of all things because she'd rather take recs from random children on the internet. It's a shame nobody genuinely likes things anymore.
No.6852
>>6850>how do you find those lists in the first place?Currently it's word of mouth as lists are not searchable (perhaps by design? I don't know). Here are two more:
https://bsky.app/profile/foxyyaoguai.bsky.social/lists/3k6lukoqqpi2shttps://bsky.app/profile/dragonquill.bsky.social/lists/3l6qglrbzpe2t No.6853
>>6852>>6850You can also use clearsky which is where you can see who blocked who. Just find a random anti account and check which lists they're a member of. Here's one I just found
https://bsky.app/profile/skbstar.bsky.social/lists/3l6sktyluof2sYou can probably also block lists that they're a starter in because it's likely a list full of antis.
No.6857
Sometimes I consider myself very lucky for the fact that I am mostly into antagonists. Seeing so many hopes shattered because no matter how good a chemistry between two male main characters is if it's a shounen they will almost always write in a waifu for each of them do their best to kill any shred of ambivalence by making them bleed out of their nose or getting flustered when they're around even when it feels 100% ooc.
They rarely care about the antagonists or older dudes because they're too manly or weird to work as shitty self-insert for teen boys so their fujo fans keep getting fed, assuming they got pandering or good dynamics to begin with. But it depresses me regardless. Even when I am not into the characters I can see the potential they had it always hurts seeing it getting erased for some obligatory pair-up and it always scares a lot of fans away which makes the general fanbase deader even if the weirdos and villains are still popular.
No.6860
Might sound a tad political but do you believe that erotica and porn are the same thing? Would you blink an eye if porn was just banned one day? asking out of curiosity kek.
No.6861
>>6824it's not self-inserting, but projecting on the fandom part. Some they/them tranny sees a male character they like and they MUST be a tranny too. I don't know if it's just me but there's a clear difference when someone writes a cuntboy and when someone writes an actual tranny character.
Also, i miss when ABO was mainly know (and successfully gatekept) for being this weird and gross AU where males could give birth mainly through their ass. Now it's all pussy…we have lost ourselves and the west has fallen
No.6862
>>6860>do you believe that erotica and porn are the same thing?i guess erotica is written to be more sensual and sexy than to actually have full on sex like porn? idk i have never read erotica before
>Would you blink an eye if porn was just banned one day?as in world wide? yeah lol that would be an enormous redflag. on some online space like tumblr? it depends, tumblr is still kind of breathing but banning it on xitter or on your country would be really bad.
Nowadays some people are really against porn because they're retards just spreading censorship around with a thin coating of woke on top of it (also because they're mostly kids who get their opinions on things on tiktok)
No.6863
I am not even particularly anti-men but the more manga I read the more I believe that men, especially hetero men younger than 50, can't write. There are of course exceptions and I am not talking about anime, but manga (and it applies to books as well). But I think that the majority of potentially great series get fucked over for no other reason than male mangaka being incapable of not self-inserting. The MC and the waifus (usually characters that solely exist for fanservice or to get paired up) are shilled to hell and back even if it means ruining the story as a whole.
Like I cannot count how many series I read that started off fantastically, only to shove every good character away halfway in because the mangaka was obviously obsessed with some shitty new waifu he came up with. It's either that or the abysmal MC PoV-lock that prohibits the series to ever show other factions because that would mean that the precious self-insert wouldn't get the spot-light for some chapters. Not even TALKING about double-standards aka every other male dying but all waifus surviving thanks to boner plot armor and MC getting hack powers.
You can hear me groaning.
It wasn't really a problem in the 90s IMO which further convinces me that the reason for why so many manga are shit are sheltered loser authors that write manga like their self-indulgent fanfics (but without the passionate emotions or in-depth personality analysis fujo fics tend to have). I am so tired of manga with 10/10 side characters and pairings being trapped in series that turn into hot garbage because the author is busy shoving his favorite down my throat.
No.6864
>>6861>but there's a clear difference when someone writes a cuntboy and when someone writes an actual tranny character.Agree. I casually see Asians drawing my dudes as cuntmen but it's always handled like the casual genderbending fanart. Just a kinky pic for fun. It's also always tagged as cuntboy or some adjacent term and it's just the canon character with his canon backstory just with a V that is just their for sexual reasons. No "talk", no transness, nothing political and no ID bullshit.
I honestly was never really bothered by that art and it's very rare anyway. Tranny art would disturb me. Like seeing my fav revealing to be a woman with cut-off tits or something like.. why? Also how do they even explain the voice lol especially if it's historical settings.
No.6865
>>6861>there's a clear difference when someone writes a cuntboy and when someone writes an actual tranny character.It's all the same disgusting garbage either way to me. Both cuntboyfags and trannyfags are ridiculously bad at writing
No.6866
>>6863The solution is to read less shounen or only stick to older shounen.
No.6871
>>6865I agree. Even if it's not political but fetishistic it visually comes down to the same thing and I hate it. It's like the difference between futa and ~transfem~. I will say that lately modern fandom has given me motivation again to draw more cause I want to get good enough to contribute stuff I actually enjoy to a fandom.
No.6872
>>6863I see male writers as really good sandbox builders. Then the fujoshi who populate the sandbox mold the sand into pleasing shapes. Reading a work that pisses you off sometimes is the entry fee to the sandbox.
A lot of things penned by women don't give me fujo brainrot simply because women are far less likely to accidentally write an outstanding BL story with a character they plan to pair with somebody else (sasunaru). They tend to better understand what romantic dynamics are and if there is BL in female-made fandoms it's either by design (Wangxian) or the canon couples are so boring/underdeveloped people will instead boil characters down to their favorite tropes and go to town (enemies-to-lovers, Draco/Harry).
>>6871>given me motivation again to draw more cause I want to get good enough to contribute stuff I actually enjoy to a fandomREAL
No.6874
I suppose this thread is going to be locked in a few days since the 500 posts have been reached