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Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.
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>>89 No.5327
>>5324>>5325I agree that these kinds of stories are garbage but what does this person want, a return to gay fiction being serious tragic litfic where no one is happy and the main characters die? Or do they just not want any gay fiction at all? There's even more straight fanfic tier YA novels.
No.5329
>>5324Also felt this was too mean. Tumblrtards noticed women use bisexual as a shield against anti-fujos and are back to shitting on women writing BL. I really wish we didn't have an obsession with identity politics here in America and could just write silly books by and for women like in Japan. I don't like Western BL or theatre kid humor, but a lot of these book actually do sell too. Was this written by a bitter TIF?
(I also personally don't get the westfag obsession with gay pirates but whatever)
No.5330
>>5324I admit this made me grin. Doesn't help that I know a person exactly like this who uses "Bisexual Disasters" as user name LMAO
I think the central problem is fiction written for the sole purpose of representing and validating a group and not because the author had a story to tell involving characters that happen to be gay.
We will never or rarely ever get the shit hets are flooded with in which a book with gays can just be an exciting stories involving gay characters opposed to a plot about gayness. Be it the classic dead gay or the modern cozzy uwu gay, both focus too much on the aspect of homosexuality instead of giving us something good with gays that are casually mentioned to lean onto each other while they're planning their next bank robbery.
No.5334
>>5330I wish we could get interesting plots without restriction. Western authors are obsessed with uwu fanfiction fluff and political correctness / "representation". It doesn't have to be classic bury your gays, but I want to see complex characters with moral weaknesses and plots that hook you in instead of fluffy dorky stuff all the time.
No.5335
>>5324The gummy smile stuff is mean but when you enter western fantasy spaces these kinda girlies are everywhere. The bloodbath that is booktwitter/tok sometimes gets onto my timeline and this is a pretty accurate parody.
>>5325These days I've seen more backlash against it than examples of the offending queer romantasy (which IMO is still overwhelmingly hetero). Your last two points are 100000% correct.
>>5330>casually mentioned to lean onto each other while they're planning their next bank robbery.As a shipfag this is what I prefer. I don't read romance, but I will absolutely go looking for the romance DLC on Ao3/pixiv when I'm done with something that stimulated the brainworms.
No.5336
>>5334When we do get those complex stories in the west, it's written by men.
No.5338
>>5336I rescind my statement. This used to be the case in the past, but I just looked and did find some newer western "bl" books with more complex stuff going on. They're not as mainstream as the uwu fluff stuff though.
No.5351
>>5324all i got from this is that americans are the problem. bomb america NOW
also wattpad, who even uses that anymore
No.5357
>>5324I hate to say it but it made me laugh because it reminded me of those authors who got caught pretending to be Chinese lesbians when they're white.
No.5634
>>5633Real fujos would not debase themselves with Riot products.
No.5636
>>5633>>5635I can smell the seething troons coming from these posts, one a TIM, the other a TIF
No.5637
>>5633My fav part of that thread is when they started literally saying that their evidence fujoshi are overfed in media content is because of "fanart and fanfiction", and would not accept anyone pointing out Arcane is a literal millions of $s TV series being entered for awards, and western TV constantly has lesbian couples in high visibility leading roles while you know… we got Cherry Magic's wonky noses. But I guess that's alright because we MADE OUR OWN CONTENT WITH OUR OWN TIME AND EFFORT TO FEED OURSELVES.
>>5635Is this the guy who pisses about in homothread about the true nature of women and how there's a conspiracy to mind control gay men?
No.5639
>>5637>Is this the guy who pisses about in homothread about the true nature of women and how there's a conspiracy to mind control gay men?Yeah probably him. He's probably just a troll but it's funny when even other guys are like 'what the fuck are you on about' when he claims that historical pederasty was actually all the fault of evil fujos.
No.5640
>>5637Also, some people were posting Viktor
dying and saying that we got "enough pandering". Jayce fucks a woman and Viktor is not only sorely traumatized and motivated by Sky's death but recreates her as a live-in spirit inside his mind space thing for the whole of S2. Then Jayce
kills Viktor as the finale that fucks everything up. I love Viktor and all but you have to be cruel to wholeheartedly ship him with such an idiot. I'd rather pair Jayce with Heimerdinger but the man's clever and replaced him with a younger model already.
No.5641
>>5633I genuinely believe that they think like that because they are the type of fake fan that barely ever interacts with canons so they are only seeing fanworks, and fanworks are mainly done by fujos. So they see twitter regularly getting flooded by fujo art without even being aware of the fact that less than 10% of the series depicted even feature canon gay, unlike the billion cartoon lesbians and yuri anime we have.
>>5635I wondered if these posts came from a shitposter that tried to derail the thread or a genuine idiot and I am still not any wiser. My closest guess it's an incel who's just seething at women.
No.5642
>>5636Eh, I could see the /tv/ post being from a guy who's just hypersensitive
The twitter one is 100% MTF though.
>>5637>Is this the guy who pisses about in homothread about the true nature of women and how there's a conspiracy to mind control gay men?No idea, that guy sounds funny though.
No.5643
>>5633How many actual gay men characters exist in western animation? The only one I can think of is in Voltron but that was a trainwreck. Maybe Fionna and Cake has one with Prince Gumball and Marshal Lee but I haven't watched that one yet.
No.5645
>>5635this is troll who shits up /a/ and /v/
No.5646
>>5641Addendum: I haven't read the replies like
>>5637 yet. Holy shit I hit the nail right into the head.
It's the only shit that ever made sense and it proves that these people are the annoying type of fans other nonnas have talked about in another thread today when they mentioned fans that never consumed canon and borrow their narrative from headcanons from other fans
>>5643We get some shoved in token gay background characters from time to time like the gay dads in Shera but they are never mentionworthy, only appear in two scenes maybe and nobody cares about them which is EXACTLY why they choose them. Get a token without offending anybody and make the fujos shut up.
No.5655
>>5647It's always so depressing seeing westerners fawning over this shit because some random uncles that appear like once and bear no relevance to the plot are gay because they literally told you because you wouldn't have been able to tell due to 0 chemistry. And yet they will get art and everybody on twitter will call it SO IMPORTANT when there is an anime airing right at the same time where two gays are kissing, another anime that is about action but has two side characters that are so fucking gay that even otaku call them so and two further anime that have at least male characters with good chemistry that are easy to ship, plus a gay game. But none of this will get any attention from the mass because it isn't airing on cartoon network or the crap instagram is advertising.
No.5659
>>5635Close but I also want to see chad get fucked in the ass kek. no male is exempt from getting beat up and raped.
No.5660
>>5643Off the top of my head:
Angel Dust
Voltron boys
Adventure time genderswaps
Smithers from Simpsons (Moe too in later seasons I think?)
The two dads in Allen Gregory
Craig and Tweek plus assorted South Park characters
Krazy Kat (in the comic and earliest cartoons before they decided to give him a girlfriend)
Ratburn in newest Arthur seasons (first male gay wedding in a kids show I think?)
The Twins and various inmates in Superjail.
The two cops in Gravity Falls.
Note that for half of these I couldn't even name the characters. Though honestly I couldn't care less about "canon" gayness. My preference for fanfics are always getting together fics so if the character is in a relationship already it spoils the fun for me.
No.5661
>>5660I like it when we didn't see how they got together. Two pairings I am into aren't directly canon but.. very pandered to say it that way. Thing is for one pairing you see almost nothing at all, you know they were very close, you know bits of the past like how they worked together and killed together but one of them dies at the beginning of the story, so everything was filled by fans. They had great fans though, so it was fantastic witnessing the gayverse unfold.
For the other pairing we see them discuss a thing for probably the first time since one of them calls the other one by his surname. But then, next time we see them, they already act super gay and he calls him by his forename.
I love that shit because it provides enough fuel to imagine them as gay without making shit up but leaves a lot of blanks at the same time that you can fill.
The step-by-step story of canon pairings is part of what makes me indifferent about them. Maybe one day I will encounter a canon gay story that is so well written that I will be obsessed regardless, but usually it isn't.
No.5663
>>5662This sounds 100% like the shit otaku men do with their waifu wars. It's never about chemistry or the characters it's just about betting on who will win and laughing about the losers and obsessing with canon and what ship is more canon than others
No.5664
>>5663another way of putting it is no genuine love for fandom, culture and the media they somehow obsess over
No.5665
>>5664Yeah it's the apolitical version of "own dem libs". Engaging with media out of a sense of adversity with another group or in order to join a group to shout at another like a sports fanatic.
I wonder if they even argued with fujos in that thread before she made that post or if it's the shizo mindset of a person that feels they have to take revenge on the voices in their head.
No.5666
>>5662I don't get why yuri fans are so obsessed with something being canon or unproblematic. Has that ever stopped fujoshis? So lazy
No.5667
>>5666They're like that because they positioned themselves as being "better" and "superior" to fujoshi and yaoi, so if they follow our lead it's an admission of defeat.
No.5668
>>5666I don't even know why yuri fans have this one-sided rivalry going with fujos. I never see het fags doing this and the fact that yuri is mainstream and yaoi not should be obvious to everybody so it's some "we or you" fight
No.5669
>>5662At the risk of sounding like an uncultured weeb, why is this show such a point of contention between fujos and himes? We get a ton of great visual novels and manga, and there's even some regular books that cater to us, and it's usually a lot more interesting than most of the yuri I've read from those mediums (especially VNs). Why is everyone losing their minds over a show about League of Legends? I can think of a lot of media that I wish were BL before that show. I legit know nothing about it outside of the posts I've seen; I didn't even know it was about League of Legends until this week, so this is a legit question.
No.5670
>>5669it's retarded twitter drama. some moid on twitter said he liked arcane and wished there was "an arcane but yaoi" and the yurifags decided to unleash all their seething hatred onto fujos over this tweet.
No.5671
>>5669Most canon yuri is really boring due to the lack of creativity and fear of touching any sort of imperfect / "unpure" character aspect for the female leads. Plus no problematic elements either. Just uwu boobie waifu blobs being wholesome. Even my favorite ultra-fluffy BL pairings have more complexity and depth than generic yuri. Except it's almost all like that and there's a lack of good fanworks.
No.5672
>>5669The difference between yuri and yaoi regarding representation is that we usually only get it and designated BL series, whereas yuri happens surprisingly and casually in mainstream shows centered on action, drama or sci-fi.
The gap even way more extreme if you only look at western things where yuri is everywhere but gayness usually shoved aside and reserved for randos like
>>5647 that aren't relevant.
But this is especially why I don't get why yuri fags act like it was an even race of which they have to celebrate the victory off.
Never watched Arcane either. Well I tried it. But it bored me and I consider the characters ugly tbh lol
No.5673
>>5671I would agree with this, and I think this is why the only yuri I've ever enjoyed was written by women. Even then, there's still an aversion to writing anything potentially upsetting or 'problematic' in the majority of those types of stories. I've seen this a lot in pairings considered 'toxic yuri,' where very little 'bad' actually happens (I've seen this discussed elsewhere in the thread). I guess it's just different expectations, but there's an excess of diabetes-inducing, wholesome yuri.
>>5672>The difference between yuri and yaoi regarding representation is that we usually only get it and designated BL series, whereas yuri happens surprisingly and casually in mainstream shows centered on action, drama or sci-fi. Yeah, I get this part, and I agree that it's frustrating we don't get canon BL pairings more frequently (and when we do get a canon MxM pairing in a non-BL series, men in the fanbase lose their minds and act like they've been personally attacked). I guess my confusion was more in regard to why this specific show is the battleground for this discourse lol. Like, most of the good BL I can think of is more interesting and visually appealing than Arcane. Like you alluded to, it just seems like a weird thing to gloat over?
>>5670Thanks!
No.5674
>>5673>I guess my confusion was more in regard to why this specific show is the battleground for this discourse lolThink it's just because it's hyped as fuck. It's the newest FOTM.
It's honestly crazy how there is either almost no discussion at all about media or a flood half of the world participates in. It always pissed me off even for series I ended up loving myself and it makes me feel like the majority (at least the majority of those that post opinions) doesn't even watch it because they're interested and instead just latch onto the next big thing or maybe they don't even watch it and just participate in fights to take the chance for calling out whomever they hate.
It sounds similar to the shit the Mouthwashing nonnas talked about where it got so bad that you couldn't enjoy the fandom and ship anymore because antis who didn't even play the game would flood into your replies.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE that the ones attacked are fujos in both cases. Though to be fair there are probably other battlegrounds, like shipping the wrong lesbians for Arcane or something, no sure.
No.5675
>>5662Yeah I want to see how they discuss Maddie and Caitlyn to be honest, but I'm gonna guess they haven't watched Arcane S2 to know Caitlyn is cheating on Vi with the first lil suck up tomboy who gets her clothes off. S3 is going to have to stop and address Vi being back involved with Jinx on top of the genocide Jayce and Ambessa have caused. If you see any of them calling these characters innocent and safe, remind them Caitlyn aimed a gun at a child's face and would have pulled the trigger if her girlfriend didn't tackle her. Said girlfriend also punched that kid later and made her bleed (but at least that was an accident while trying to beat her sister's face in).
>>5666I've had some other fujos get real mad calling me an elitist etc for saying I don't require canon. I think I live rent free in one's head cuz they brought it up when nobody'd even said it yet in a homothread.
>>5669Expensive high profile Netflix show. Western animation is starved for non-comedy adult content so it's a big deal, on top of having a decade old existing fanbase who will watch it regardless.
No.5676
>>5675Wait shit, not S3, I forgot there's another three episode batch that got leaked. Thanks, Netflix.
No.5677
>>5666>I don't get why yuri fans are so obsessed with something being canonMy uneducated guess is that the yurifags that gaf about whether their parings are canon are actual lesbians and thus are more invested in actual social acceptance of lesbians in media
No.5679
>>5678My conspiracy theory is this is a direct response to Fordcest and Billdip shippers.
No.5680
>>5672>>5678I also think a big difference is when f/f is canon it's stuff people were already shipping with main characters (PB/Marcy, Catadora) whereas canon m/m in mainstream media is *NEVER* the most popular m/m ship.
No.5681
>>5666Every loud and annoying yuri fan I've come into contact with outside of 4chan was also openly a 'uwu soft lesbian' troon so in my mind they use canonicity to validate themselves and shit on fujoshi cause troons hate real women.