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Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.
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>>89 No.6101
>>6097Oh yeah I am neutral towards Persona tbh because I have yet to play P5 so I have no idea how I will feel about it.
For me it's more about the desire to get some little gay tidbits. I enjoy dynamics way more if they actually FEEL gay, opposed to 100% of the gay content being fanfic locked. I don't demand canon in the actual sense, but at least some back hug, enthusiastic friendship or one or two domestic scenes or something since that makes everything better. But it usually means that the author is aware of the fujo audience or even actively shipping them themselves.
No.6132
>>6031Moneymaker in dlc but still irrelevant in any of those spinoffs because Royal left the door open for a continuation but they're too scared to do one. Being stuck with spinoffs that don't matter where the characters are flanderized isn't that great and he still gets less screentime.
>>6044he's a fan favorite, he's not in the shadow realm and Atlus' shitty writing can't compare with the work of fans.
Being a fan favorite but still completely ignored because the men hate him is why. They got what they want. They want him dead and they can say that he's dead because it will never be confirmed he's not because they cut the scene showing him alive. I don't understand why fujos for this game accept less. I'm not happy with just fan work. It's just another long line of fujobait characters being treated in a way a waifu would never be treated. It's one thing to have no romance, and another to have a character completely ignored and left in limbo because he's not appealing to straight men who like characters who did far worse than what he did.
No.6153
>>6151>is fiction =! realityWell yes? Yes that's the definition of fiction lol
Also why do those puritans get offended and compare yaoi to porn but not 2D het?? Or do non-fujos not consume any porn? What do they think about twilight shit?
No.6158
>>6048There are people who do this, getting mad at other fujos for making ships with no canon basis popular. When it reality it doesn't matter.
No.6161
>>6158Tbf it should at least be similiar to the characters in canon, or else you get trans race and sex swapped coffee au stuff that's basically an oc on all but name, there's a place between the middle of the two.
No.6169
>>6075>>6075Remnants of Filth?
Ballad of Sword and Wine?
No.6171
>>6169>Ballad of Sword and WineIs this OEL danmei or was the title changed in translation? I thought only western YA novels used the X of Y and Z naming pattern kek
No.6173
>>6151What's so difficult about a SSA woman enjoying yaoi? You can read something, and not feel attraction to either of the men in that story or book. The amount of straight women watching lesbian porn straight up destroys their argument by virtue of the narrative no longer holding water. In other words, their narrative is flimsy.
No.6186
>>6151It's always hilarious how people have no problem with lesbians enjoying het ships but lesbian fujos are an outlandish concept and must be "bihetdemons" because you can only enjoy fiction where you coom to imagining yourself fucking the sex you're attracted to.
No.6200
>>6151Even reading all of this I have no idea what SSA means. Why are terminally online people so obsessed with neologisms and new acronyms. Even urban dictionary doesn't know it. >The word "ass" backwards.
No.6201
>>6200It's just an acronym for Same-Sex Attraction. But really, they could just use lesbian or gay instead of SSA, cause you're right that looking it up results in almost everything but the meaning they're using.
No.6202
>>6200I only learnt it recently through a youtuber laughing at Mormons. Seems some Christians got it in their heads that being "SSA" is different from "gay" because they need to be on God's good side and can't ever accept homosexuality.
No.6203
>>6201>>6202Thank you. And oh man that's really stupid. The only advantage I can see in using SSA is when you talk about both genders, but "gay" technically already does that even though most are using gay for m/m only.
And I get that it might look weird at first but 2D and fiction are different from reality. I am borderline asexual (as in, 30 now and never kissed or had the urge to fuck irl) and I had never had a crush in real life but I can be on love with fictional characters, if I am allowed to call that love, that is. Anyway I can be attracted to 2D characters but not real people so I am not surprised that same can happen with gender only. I even know men I am sure are hetero that told me they could go gay for one or two certain anime characters.
It's not just the look and behavior, the more I thought about this the more I noticed the most everything else that sets fictional characters apart from real people but that would make me write a textwall. Fact is that it's a different thing and just as you might love stories about wars but not want to experience war in real life you might love a gender or sex in fiction but not in reality.
No.6206
The antifujo shit surrounding Arcane is making me start to really hate it, is the fujobait even enough to bicker about "muh internalized misogyny"?
I don't remember this much bullshit years ago back when season one happened. It really feels like Covid made everyone lose their goddammn minds.
No.6207
>>6206The discourse with Arcane is worse than before because Caitvi is canon now. Therefore the logic is there's no excuse for anyone to prefer Jayvik when there's an official gay pairing handcrafted by the creators.
What annoys me is how it's entirely one-sided. Arcane fujos are minding their own business making their own art and fics, at worst people made some jokes about the yaoi being more gay than the lesbian sex scene
which is objectively true kek yet they still get lambasted for the sin of enjoying a ship. Even the co-creator doesn't like it. Yurifags and hetfags get their canon ships while fujos get nothing as always but get lampooned by everyone anyway.
No.6208
>>6203>>6201I legit see the SSA term for the first time. I was confused and thought it has something to do with Straight Shotacon for a second.
No.6209
>>6173>The amount of straight women watching lesbian porn straight up destroys their argument I don't disagree with the point you're trying to make but what you're bringing up here is also a number of "straight" women that are in denial. People feel weird explaining what they're into isn't what they want to do irl and would rather compartmentalize it as something that isn't real.
No.6210
>>6209if someone doesn't want to do something irl, how are they in denial? female sexuality does not work like male sexuality does, studies show that women are able to get aroused by a wider variety of stimulus compared to men, some of which do not necessarily mean they are attracted to what is being represented, the possible explanation given by science being that since intercourse for women can be painful if not desired, nature striked a balance by making women with more broad "unrelated" turn-ons.
i'd argue even men could potentially be the same to a lesser extent, i have met many straight men who have at least once masturbated to men/dicks/gay stuff without being homosexual or even bi themselves. i think with them it happens less because of many reasons, some of them biological and many others not and purely social.
sexuality is well documented to be a spectrum and i know many lesbian fujos, although they are admittedly a minority.
No.6211
>>6151>Of course lesbian fujos are problematicAh yes, there's nothing more dangerous and bad than lesbians reading yaoi fanfiction
No.6214
>>6213The "Harm real people" part always gets to me. As if Joe the gay guy's life is changed in any sort of way by a japanese woman's drawings of anime guys having sex.
No.6215
>>6214No one tell them that the yaoi board on 4chan is mostly men kek
No.6216
>>6213>exclusively about two bland characters fucking and that being the main highlightThis is encapsulates barashit more accurately than the average yaoi
No.6217
>>6216>this encapsulates barashitwhich is ironically a better representation of what gay men are like and what they actually look for in media lol
No.6218
>>6216>>6217Oh that's a bit mean, there is cute sfw bara out there that runs in seinen magazines, it's just their porn is absolutely vile lol.
No.6220
>>6057>Most series don't even have any male fanserviceIf by male fanservice you mean stuff like on-screen bathing scenes (and casual nudity in general), they do, and even then they don't emphasize the visual eroticism aspect of it compared to female fanservice.
No.6221
>>6220Yeah this what I mean. What I want is the "male gaze" but for male characters so female/gay gaze whatever you call it. Even nudity isn't hot if it isn't presented accordingly and my favorite fanservice is dudes MOVING sexy and clearly suggestive scenes. But it's so damn rare and outside of actual 18+ yaoi manga I have weirdly enough only seen it in some seinen and for side characters in a few shounen so far, never outright fujo series.
No.6222
>>6218I wish there was a term for 2D men that don't match the generic bishounen/femboy/shota categories but aren't outright bara. Most call the shit I like bara because I am into adult dudes with muscles and scars, beards or abnormal faces but it creates misunderstandings, because bara is also understood as that genre of yaoi porn with exaggerated proportions and fat, hairy dudes.
I need a word for the guys between the two extremes because they are fucking hard to google and filter and I am not into conventionally attractive manga and JRPG guys or highschool boys that make up the large majority of all characters, argh.
No.6223
>>6222I agree. There's "twunk" but not a lot of people use it and it still has a pretty variable definition. "Ikemen" suffers from the same problem.
>>6057>If you wish that characters with top tier dynamics would get similar pandering fanservice as all the other (non-m/m) pairings then people will show you the way out and tell you to read yaoi. I am not asking for on-screen gay sex or even super canon confirmation or anything, just similar qualitative (not quantitative) treatment.This is why I'm always rooting for unpaired endings because it's the ONLY way you can get this specific kind of thing without it leaving a sour taste in your mouth. It's easy enough to ignore canon (especially when the het bomb is always just like the last 10 mins of a hours-long endeavor) but the suckerpunch at the end still stings.
No.6224
>>6223>but the suckerpunch at the end still stings.Even as someone that never experienced it (I was always into side characters so far) it think it's dirty when it comes out of nowhere. My personal problem is that the characters I am into will most likely die and there is always the danger that they break apart on top of it before they get killed.
It's annoying but it seems like you are fucked regardless of whom you are into if you gayship. If you like male MCs they will get canon het developments or endings and if you like the male side characters they will die or maybe even backstab or kill each other. The only safe ones are MC het shippers and fans of female side characters since they are way less likely to get bad ends.
No.6231
>>6213Everyone stop writing fanfics of anime, you're white you can't write asian people. :^)
>>6216*blant characters
No.6234
>>6213I've always wondered wtf ~fetishizing gay man~ actually means. What tf qualifies for ~fetishization~ and how would they describe it without using that term? Is it just a fantasy and finding something attractive (gay men)? Couldn't you apply that logic to every sort of fictional fantasy? And how would that actually harm real people?? Notice how antis never complain about men watching porn, just other women they can bully
>>6225>fujoshis get killed on sight if they touch Givenffs are these people real
No.6237
>>6234To strongman the argument since playing devil's advocate is fun, I assume it's the fact that a majority of fiction about gay men is written by and for women and thus is not a realistic view of them but a fantasy through a female lens. It's similar to how most Hollywood movies about Black people (or any minority) are by old white guys. Of course if this is a serious concern I would argue it's up to consumers to seek out and promote more authentic content not to berate authors and artists. It's doubly funny since I have never met a gay man upset by fujos in anime spaces, at worst I met a guy who thought yaoi had too many young guys.
No.6238
>>6234It's getting off to the emphasis of the concept of… gay man? To be primarily aroused by the fact it's gay and man as the focus. Honestly I get what they're trying to suggest but I also can't because I have fetishes I'm heavy on and they simply don't work like that. I can't imagine any fic discussing gay men being gay men in the same way that a fetish fic would talk about a character being chunky or weighty without it sounding absurdly stupid. Like,
He sauntered flamboyantly into the room and met the homosexual gaze of the other patrons. Deep inside he could feel his same sex attraction rising up, the need to suck raw cock boiling within.He declared gayly, "I'M DOWN TO FUCK BUT ONLY MEN WHO ENJOY DICK. IN ASS."Several other men gasped at his open queerness. How they wished to be so proud and visible as this unrestrained gay, who looked at their masculine forms with satisfaction (because he liked men). No.6243
>>6234i dislike when a character is canonically gay because i find gay men a turn off, as in their sexual orientation is unappealing and so is the stereotypically gay mannerism irl, so i wouldn't even say i ~fetishize~ gay men and i'm not the first fujo to think this. i like when the characters are either straight with an exception for their gay love interest, or only interested in the other guy without having an established sexuality.
having this preference is considered homophobic anyways so you can't win with antis
No.6244
>>6225>Ikemen is associated men that are more feminine/prettyI have seen rugged looking Hollywood guys called ikemen so I think the term is much more broad than that. There's ike-ojisan too. I think it can apply to any guy that is 'handsome' in some conventional way.
No.6245
>>6225these people caping for given as if it's not your standard BL never fail to make me laugh. considering one of the characters tries to the rape the other and it's not as a fluffy as they want it to pretend it is. don't get me wrong, i love given but the western fanbase is so confusing to me.
No.6248
>>6225>Ikemen is associated men that are more feminine/pretty Literally wrong.
No.6249
>>6248>Google Ikemen>A bunch of VNs like pic related comes upWhat do you mean nonna?
>>6244Well, that's still overly broad then and not as well defined as an arctype like bishie, shota, or ojisan. I guess I want a term that will just get the rugged ones and not whatever pic-rel
No.6252
>>6250if anything the people on the left are antis and scrotes, not the "yaoi community". they wish they were us lmao
No.6253
>>6251You didn't answer my actual point, but oh well. I've already accepted there isn't a good term for the archetype I enjoy. And with that we're at Bumplimit and need a new thread.
No.6254
>>6250in my life i saw more on the left side the yuri community than the yaoi one lol and usually people who bring up "canon this and that" are a) haters of the ship or the manga/anime b) chuds bothered by gay fanart
No.6256
>>6249Where is the megane option?