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Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.
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>>89 No.5171
>>5166>I had to read it like three times to understand what she was trying to sayGlad I am not the only one. I absolutely didn't get what she means with the opening post. It's meant to be some big reveal that yaoi writers want to see a character they like getting fucked. It's so obvious that I didn't get that she didn't get it until seeing that post. Of course. What else should it be? This actually makes me wonder if she even engaged with yaoi before a year ago or so.
Also since someone asked, the fics she loves apparently have her fav "ravaged" and "fucked raw" which doesn't sound like the super emotional soft-fics she shitposts about. The only fic link I found before getting tired is this one:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/56968753If you're an interview with a vampire fag you can give it a go lmao
No.5176
>>5155>Men are allergic to ugly women. Their fantasy is to fuck a perfect waifu.This really hit me back when I still played Fate/grand order years ago and noticed how you'd get the occasional older male character like William tell or Moriarty and never an older woman, as far as I can remember. Not trying to imply that older women are ugly myself, but that there was probably a conscious choice made that your average gacha-spending male wouldn't be interested in female characters who aren't conventionally attractive anime girls.
No.5178
>>5174>kinit's always self-inserters, actually kin are even worse because they full buy in being the character they like.
It's just an insecure woman, nothing new.
No.5179
>>5174She's saying that gay/bi men (most likely TIFs like her) write the best yaoi fics because she believes "they self insert" and that women are incapable of writing good erotica unless it's lesbian women writing yuri fanfics. Her rambling word salad makes no sense so that's my best interpretation of it.
No.5180
>>5179TIFs try not to shit on other women challenge (impossible)
No.5182
>>5168＞She isn't even that. She says she had no surgery or anything
I'm sure, and that supports what I'm thinking even more. An essentialist argument that only "gay men can understand gay romance" shouldn't make sense to them. If a brain that can understand gay romance, that can even be a man by their logic, can come from a females body, why is ever other woman exempt? Why does no one else have that ability they do, to understand? It's giving chunibyo.
>>5169>Which makes their hatred of "cis women fujos" even more retarded because these people acknowledge the fujo to TIF pipeline and credit yaoi for "cracking their egg" so why can't you just argue these women are trannies too but don't know it yet?Exactly, exactly what I'm getting at. They know any woman around them could come out as transmen, so they know at the base they're all the same, so why make such a stark division of who is capable of what?
And I know they answer is they're stupid, but damn, I think I just expect more of adults.
No.5184
>>5182>complain about fetishistic cishet women writing yaoi>claim only gay men can accurately write gay romance>claim BL made them realize their attraction to men is actually gay >BL is authored by le evil straight wonen they hate so muchI honestly don't fucking get these TIFs because on one hand they'll claim straight women are incapable of understanding homosexuality, and then on the other admit they identify as trans because of yaoi. Do none of them see this contradiction or do they just think BL authors like Harada are secretly trans too?
No.5187
>>5184Kek funny you should bring that up because due to a translation error people thought Harada was a man at first and really celebrated her as le ackshual true and honest cis male BL mangaka. They have a very specific kind of pickme brainrot.
No.5190
>>5184I just want to know if they realize actual gay porn for gay men is usually stuff like Hadaka Shitsuji or Gengoroh Tagame's manga
No.5191
>>5169>People not being able to enjoy fiction without self-inserting in some way is the cause of 99% of discourse. From muh representation dumbassery to anti/proship shit.This. Everytime I meet an anti-shipper it's always as self-inserter. ALWAYS.
One of the most notorious ones of the fandom I am in does it so blatantly that she (she's T and I don't know which type, but I assume TIF since she ships yaoi) literally draws the non-Asian white (not white the race, white the color) alien character she self-inserts into as brown, transman Asian (she is US-American and only n% South-Eastern Asian so fuck knows if she's even a PoC in real life). So of course are these people more likely to lose their shit. Shipping her husbando with someone else basically means NTR her.
No.5192
>>5176>as far as I can rememberNo you are right. They don't exist. And this is why women latch onto male characters even when they aren't shipping. Women in anime in particular are limited to lolis and girls that look like 14 at max. Meanwhile there is a huge variety of men. Two recent series that I enjoyed otherwise have this same exact problem. 80% male characters of all types including 40+ year old dudes and elegant men with gray hair and not a single adult woman LMAO - FGO is just another blatant example for this.
I mean hell the MCs of SAILOR MOON look more mature than the majority of modern female anime characters. We will never get cool older women like pic related anymore. Sorry for posting an OT pic, but I like her design and it IMO shows that you can create cool-looking older women too.
>>5179What makes the post dumber is that she has no way of telling who is even trans and non-binary and who is cis. I for once never use pronouns and don't reveal my gender or age online and a lot of AO3 writers have user names they don't use anywhere else. So how does she know? She probably just virtue signals into the void, against some invisible enemy. Bet most of the fics she loves are written by cis women.
No.5195
>>5192Every yuri anime is about highschool girls. They can't make anything with adult women in the cast, while there's more options for homo content with adult men. I don't know why yuri fans hate anything with adult women that isn't boring slice of life.
No.5196
>>5195Didn't they get g-witch? Though I can't think of much else, even if it's got a darker atmosphere like akuma no riddle it's still high school girls.
No.5197
>looking for random discord servers to join for funsies because i'm bored
>join random "yaoi/yuri" server
>noticed caption is one of those emoji-heavy "i love yuri lesbians and yaoi gays" rants
>run by minors
>"no proshippers"
>server owner calls me a retard for saying bl and yaoi are the same thing
>get banned
kek i'm not even mad. went about just how i thought it would
No.5198
>>5197Shoulda called em ableist.
No.5202
>>5191>Shipping her husbando with someone else basically means NTR her.Hate to get into the pro/anti discourse but this is genuinely how 90% of the "anti" mindset works, starting from the Voltron days when it was very obvious that the Klance shippers who really hated Sheith and called it a grooming pedoship where self-inserting into Keith hard and didn't want to be fucked by an older man but the cute teenage boy. That's why they practice shipping on such an obsessive, personal level.
>>5176>>5192Also the lolibaba trope exists literally to subvert the problem of needing an older woman for lore reasons, they just add in a female character that looks like a 14-year old and make up a bullshit reason why she's actually 800 years old and totally an old granny. When I was still playing I too hated how FGO kept pushing the old man agenda all the time yet not once gave us a female character with a wrinkle on her face but pulled all these retarded lore reasons why male historical figures respawn as 12-year old girls.
No.5203
>>5202>Klance shippers who really hated Sheith and called it a grooming pedoship where self-inserting into Keith hardThat makes so much sense now that you said it. I was a Klance shipper when VLD had just came out and only ever watched up to season 2. But I never once thought Sheith was grooming or gross, I was just not into them. I thought it must've just been a tactic used to promote Klance over Sheith, but them being self-inserters makes even more sense to why it was pushed so hard as a groomer ship.
No.5204
>>5203AYRT and yeah, I used Klance vs Sheith simply because it's widely regarded as the original breeding grounds for the "antis vs proships" discourse, I personally had no horse in that race. It still applies in many fandoms today, antis are very often extreme self-inserters who want to protect their kinnie of choice from anything they consider disgusting and are unable to separate the character from their own persona. A lot of anti-fujo women are like this too, as
>>5191 said they see themselves being cucked by seeing their husbando being shipped with a man since they can't self-insert into a male character at all or consider him being emasculated by it.
No.5205
>>5202>>5203That would also explain the people saying that "fiction is/affects reality" to participate in ship wars. This is typical self insert bullshit.
No.5206
>>5195I don't think it's just a yuri problem, almost every anime and manga is like that. Like as an example, I enjoy GGO right now, it's IMO a decent series overall and the in-game designs are cool, but it's so fucking seeing how 90% of the cast looks like 12 year old girls IRL regardless of the gender and age of the player character.
And how many het romance anime do we have where the woman looks like a toddler? Holy hell. There was this office show few seasons back with a normal dude that looked like 30 and his LI who has the loli body type AND behaves like a young girl.
The premise is that she's an adult who looks like a kid and the funny situations this is causing. Per se, this is fine! But she is clearly written like a girl and so I doubt that this is the real intention behind it. To me it's just the common fetish in disguise.
And isn't there a current or upcoming anime about a wife that dies and returns to her husband after being reborn? Of course she's still a kid then, because not much time has passed. This is so obvious and honestly disgusting. I am not even condemning shota and loli fags per se. But with men and loli it always has this predatory undertone that I don't really witness among shota fags.
The majority of female shota fans pair the shota up with another shota and the rest usually pairs him with an older dude not do I often see the shota being the dominant part, the adult dude isn't a self-insert anyway, so the framing is completely different and women always like BOTH men in a m/m ship whereas otaku and others seem to be incapable of feeling attracted to anybody older than 16
No.5207
Some newer issue that pisses me off is how /a/ god suddenly flooded by tourists that believe that "fujo" meant "female fan".
No it fucking isn't and I am tired seeing some retard talking about yume and calling them fujo in every fucking thread these days. It only helps spreading more anti-fujo sentiments because half of the time they talk about yume it's something negative and I don't want to bear the burden for shit that other groups are doing.
I swear I barely ever encountered this on 4chan before, there must be one social media place that misuses the term that way and everybody using it adapts that shit without ever double checking. You cannot even make them understand because they heard it that way first so they refuse to change their language.
No.5212
>>5207It's not just /a/, I see this in all the gacha /vg/ threads like the genshit thread where even the thought of men taking the spotlight from their waifu must a fujo pandering conspiracy. Fujo and yumes are literally not the freaking same. Hell, I'll go out of a limb say they literally hate each other. If anything, they have more in common with yumes but because a woman likes a man that's not them, they're somehow in the same league?
No.5213
>>5212Yeah I think that thanks to social media memes newer anime fans use a lot of terminology wrong. Fujos are way more prolific than yume so the term fujo became the equivalent of "female fan", same as waifu means "anime girl I find attractive" to newfags.
I wouldn't care but there wasn't so much negativity related to yume. I don't want to get the blame for shit fujos never did. Just yesterday I saw someone bitching about an allegedly annoying sperg who happened to be a yume, but he called her "fujo", despite flooding social media with cringe self-shipping. Then another anon replied and claimed that fujos had bad taste, only to list examples of men they like that were without exception husbandos from otome series and het romances.
Many radical yume already hate fujos so I don't want to be the one being associated with their hobbies. Not talking about fans who are both yume and fujo. There are a lot of them and they're chill.
No.5215
>>5213I think the wildest thing about all this is the fact that a bunch of the “proship dni” accounts on bluesky I went through to find more lists are also self-shippers, aka yumes.
No.5216
>>5207>>5212>>5213It's an age-old problem. In the 00's literally every female otaku thing was filed under "yaoi", including reverse harems. If it had bishounens, it was "for yaoi fangirls". And thus every unhinged thing mentally ill yumes did raving about their husbandos was pinned on "yaoi fangirls". Fujos are just an easy target to blame about everything wrong in the fandoms and it's been like that since forever because they're the most flourishing community constantly creating their own content.
No.5217
>>5215Yumes who are honest will just directly say they hate seeing their husbando being gay, yume antis will instead come up with a reason the gay ship involving their husbando is problematic.
No.5226
>>5207it's always husbando enthusiastic yumes that get confused for fujos, because of their love for their husbando people think they are fujos, even tho fujos are actually more interested in shipping.
No.5232
>>5231Yeah you guys don't lol. Though as someone who's more shota tolerate than someone who actively seeks it out I don't understand why. Shota x shota is cuter imo and it's a shame every time I run into it in the wild it's clearly male-targeted porn.
No.5233
>>5231Really? Most shota fans I see like shota for the cuteness, same as moe fans with CGDCT.
Maybe I AM wrong though and I honestly find the shota/adult dynamic way more interesting (and Boku Dake was peak anime entertainment anyway), but I feel like it's very rare and I couldn't name more than three pairings for it whereas every series with two or more shota has fujos who are shipping them. I am not really into shota though so I don't actively seek it out and bringing an adult in is probably the only way to make me see the appeal. But still the shipping of HxH kids and Boku Academia whatever shota alone should have more fujos into it than all shota/adult pairings will ever have in the past and future together.
No.5237
>>5232Contrast between cute boy and handsome man I guess, it’s kinda like an upgraded version of the typical 2000s seme and uke.
>>5233 Maybe it’s because I don’t watch shounen and shounen fans are more into shipping the two shotas together? (Ie: Gon and Killua or whatever)
I’m just going off of what I see from doujins and the like though (especially with OCs I see more older man x shota and in pokemon stuff)
Also agreed Erased is peak for that type of ship.
No.5264
>>5196g-witch is still teen girls and it garnered an insufferable fanbase.
No.5276
>>5233I won't actively judge anyone for it, but it is something that I find uncomfortable and block and ignore any mutual who likes or retweets it, it's just too much
No.5289
>Anon so mad she ran to LC to make a post about proshippers
LMAO
No.5290
>>5289About the shota stuff here? I am not even into shota despite posting art here lmao I am just chill with everything fictional and save pretty pictures of series I like lmao. Fans should post more to make them madder. This site is anti-anti shipper.
No.5293
>>5289I really wish you guys would stop dragging LC drama back here.
No.5294
>>5293Don't get after me for someone attempting to put more negative attention there
No.5295
>>5294You don't need to come back here and report it to everyone else.
No.5325
>>5324I can honestly understand the frustration behind this because publishers have been more and more interested in this kind of wattpad fanfic slop while more ambitious stories are left in the dark and I would actually laugh at this if it wasn't for the fact that people will take and weaponize this rant against women just writing their dumb gay stories or the people agreeing this are cut from the same cloth but believe that THEIR wattpad fanfic slop should be the one being printed.
No.5327
>>5324>>5325I agree that these kinds of stories are garbage but what does this person want, a return to gay fiction being serious tragic litfic where no one is happy and the main characters die? Or do they just not want any gay fiction at all? There's even more straight fanfic tier YA novels.
No.5329
>>5324Also felt this was too mean. Tumblrtards noticed women use bisexual as a shield against anti-fujos and are back to shitting on women writing BL. I really wish we didn't have an obsession with identity politics here in America and could just write silly books by and for women like in Japan. I don't like Western BL or theatre kid humor, but a lot of these book actually do sell too. Was this written by a bitter TIF?
(I also personally don't get the westfag obsession with gay pirates but whatever)
No.5330
>>5324I admit this made me grin. Doesn't help that I know a person exactly like this who uses "Bisexual Disasters" as user name LMAO
I think the central problem is fiction written for the sole purpose of representing and validating a group and not because the author had a story to tell involving characters that happen to be gay.
We will never or rarely ever get the shit hets are flooded with in which a book with gays can just be an exciting stories involving gay characters opposed to a plot about gayness. Be it the classic dead gay or the modern cozzy uwu gay, both focus too much on the aspect of homosexuality instead of giving us something good with gays that are casually mentioned to lean onto each other while they're planning their next bank robbery.
No.5334
>>5330I wish we could get interesting plots without restriction. Western authors are obsessed with uwu fanfiction fluff and political correctness / "representation". It doesn't have to be classic bury your gays, but I want to see complex characters with moral weaknesses and plots that hook you in instead of fluffy dorky stuff all the time.
No.5335
>>5324The gummy smile stuff is mean but when you enter western fantasy spaces these kinda girlies are everywhere. The bloodbath that is booktwitter/tok sometimes gets onto my timeline and this is a pretty accurate parody.
>>5325These days I've seen more backlash against it than examples of the offending queer romantasy (which IMO is still overwhelmingly hetero). Your last two points are 100000% correct.
>>5330>casually mentioned to lean onto each other while they're planning their next bank robbery.As a shipfag this is what I prefer. I don't read romance, but I will absolutely go looking for the romance DLC on Ao3/pixiv when I'm done with something that stimulated the brainworms.
No.5336
>>5334When we do get those complex stories in the west, it's written by men.
No.5338
>>5336I rescind my statement. This used to be the case in the past, but I just looked and did find some newer western "bl" books with more complex stuff going on. They're not as mainstream as the uwu fluff stuff though.
No.5351
>>5324all i got from this is that americans are the problem. bomb america NOW
also wattpad, who even uses that anymore
No.5357
>>5324I hate to say it but it made me laugh because it reminded me of those authors who got caught pretending to be Chinese lesbians when they're white.