/bl/ - General BL

>>4817
>Anyways blvn will soon to gacha slop
Isn't this just inevitable? VNs aren't as big as they used to be in the early 2000s. N+C had already tried the mobile approach before, with a game nobody remembers and it has no recorded history whatsoever. If it's a BL original, that seems both scary and good (positive for more bl gachas that aren't nu:c, negative because if it does good then n+c will never do a standard bl ever again) but if it's gacha for "get special illustrations of pre-existing chiral characters" then ehh

>>4826
Isn't there also a fan TL for Kintouka in the works? In addition to what other anons have said, I would also guess the fan translations are less common because there are also fewer major games left. Obviously there are exceptions like Shingakkou, but many of the big-name titles already have translations by now. It's probably harder to drum up support or excitement for something without a big company's name attached to it. There's also probably an element of what will get the most attention online. Sadly, translating VNs gives you less attention for more effort than something like manga.

Nah if there was a bl patch, even if private, people would leak it. Diabolik lovers patch leaked 2 days after it's release by a moid who didn't even know what otome are. They were asking for proof to send you the patch. Thing is ofc no piracyfags, but most just mtl now, since the translation quality has improved significantly. Many companies use mtl too, but that sucks.

>>4843
*translation companies i mean use mtl
See nie no machi.
Chinese, Korean and russians do release fan mtl patches in general.

I don't know how you guys can say all of the big BL games have been translated already when 4/5 of the top rated games in Japan remain untranslated. Companies have just been fucking retarded with their selections up until now.

>>4846
I'm one of the anons who said that, and while I agree, I more meant that there wouldn't be the level of hype on the Western side that something by a big company would generate. I agree they could become popular, but I'm thinking more from the fan translator's perspective. While I'm not a fan of Nitro+Chiral as a whole, I have to admit their games come with a preexisting fanbase just by virtue of brand recognition.
>>4843
>Diabolik lovers patch
Was this the one where the translators were demanding people email them pictures of the physical copies of games to prove people weren't pirating it kek?

>>4846
I need a Lucky Dog patched translation, why the fuck has nobody patched it it's translated and everything!

>>4848
And MangaGamer has been sitting on their fully translated and edited version of it for an entire year now. The west has failed this game.

>>4849
Wait, I just checked their Twitter and this came up. Looks like there's a glimmer of hope after all.

>>4846
Is Taisho Mebiusline actually translated or not? I've heard many things along the years, there's a demo, there's an actual full russian translation, some chapters are translated but overall it never seems to be a full thing.
Looking at the release dates of all of them makes me feel so old, damn. I still remember TM like it was yesterday, and I still don't know enough japanese to understand it 13 years later

Ooe is so good nonas, it needs to get translated fast.

>>4863
I cannot WAIT for this one. It looks like everything I love in a story. Do you have a favorite character or route so far?
>>4812
How was it??

>>4873
>How was it??
Not good, but it's also high effort so I can't call it bad. Ignoring the art for a second there are unique transitions between scenes and small animated segments so the character designs seem intentionally "bad" according to the game notes they're inspired by Sensitive Pornograph a series I've heard of but never read. Another presentation thing is there are misspellings on purpose notably "u" is used by a lot of characters, but so is "you" sometimes in the same scene so it's a bit weird. It made the story much less fun to read. The sound is great though, I'd listen to the OST on its own.

The story however, is weird and disjointed, it's not sexy and there isn't a lot of build up or or character development it's primary about how the MC alone feels. There are two acts the first one is you meeting Astra and Dei while on vacation with your mom. The second is you in the hospital after the climax of that act and is largely based around the MC coping with trauma and meeting a new boy named Belmo. The second act was way too slow and not nearly as interesting so I was skimming by the end.

I think if you enjoy character studies and vibe with the weird tone you might like it, but I am more interested in relationships and the development of them so the MC focus didn't scratch an itch for me. Another thing is that there are 4 sex scenes and only two choices. 2 of those scenes are in the main story (which is largely kinetic) and are threesome scenes between the MC and Astra and Dei. There is one choice where you choose who to hang out with and get a scene between just MC and the boy, and in the third act there is a choice to either engage in a sex scene or just cuddle with Belmo.

You never feel like you are "romancing" characters and personally I like it when MC is just with one boy for a route because otherwise he feels like a slut and I like "true love" in my stories. So again not a very romantic VN which I'm sure is fine for some people but not me.

I'd give it a 1.5/5

>>4876
Thank you for the summary, nona; you went above and beyond. It sounds interesting, but probably not my cup of tea. I like some focus on the protagonist, but his relationship with the LIs is also a priority for me. I'd probably end up with a similar opinion to you.
> Another presentation thing is there are misspellings on purpose notably "u" is used by a lot of characters, but so is "you" sometimes in the same scene so it's a bit weird
This is such a bizarre choice. It must be intentional, although I would love to know the author's reasoning.

>>4850
I'll believe it when the game is actually in my hands. They blocked an old fantranslation with their announcement and then did jack shit.

I finished Luchino's route in LuckyDog1, the first route I did, so I'd like to write my impressions of it.
In the initial prison arc, Gian touches on a touchy subject with Luchino and Luchino gets aggressive with Gian, so I thought this might be a theme throughout the arc (dialogue suggests Gian did too) but this wasn't the case. After Gian's numerous miraculous feats, Luchino grows a strong sense of admiration and respect towards Gian, and Gian grows the same towards Luchino in turn, and the two develop a close friendship.
Their dynamic was quite nice. I liked how they'd banter like high school boys and they'd always steal cigarettes from each other and light them for one another. Moments of unspoken feelings and physical intimacy like that were a big theme in this route. There was several moments that suggested Luchino wanted to tell Gian how he felt directly but couldn't bring himself to, potentially because of his past.
Luchino's past is the big caveat in this route. Since as previously stated feelings go largely unspoken in this route as is, giving Luchino a dead wife he's still attached to had the effect of making his and Gian's relationship seem almost platonic at times. The arc itself also kind of fizzles out and ends in a nothingburger, and while I see what they were going for with it (Luchino needing to forgive himself and stop seeking a scapegoat) it was somewhat disappointing narratively.
In the end, because there was no grand love confession or anything, the feeling that lingered with me was that these two were more "close friends that fuck" rather than "lovers", despite the intent definitely being the latter.
**I was able to understand why Luchino is last in the popularity poll despite me liking his character.
However, despite everything, the core story of LuckyDog1 is so strong that I still ended up enjoying the route. The H scenes were also quite enjoyable (I liked when Gian would make intentionally girly moans as a joke).**
I've gotten minor spoilers that suggest other routes have a more traditional love story, so whenever I finish them I'd like to report back.

>>4921
Ah, fuck it. I can't into spoilers.
I censored everything important anyway.

>>4921
Interesting I've been wanting to play this for so long but knew nothing about any of the characters so did he feel guilty after the H scnes because of the dead wife or did the scenes come off as detached? It sounds interesting I like it when there is an element of moving on in a relationship but it's disappointing to hear there is no love confession.

>>4923
Interestingly, neither. Luchino is portrayed as a womanizer so we can infer that sex doesn't mean much to him, but there's moments that suggest Gian is a special case (Gian makes a remark about how kissing after sex made it feel like they were lovers) and they have a back and forth during about how Gian is different than a woman because he's more of a pain that comes across as quite affectionate. The H scenes in this route feel important to grasp those mostly unspoken feelings between the two, so I can't imagine how it comes across when you play the censored Vita version.
Next up I'm going to play Ivan's route because I have a thing for tsunderes and even in Luchino's route he had a few standout moments. I think the writers of this game must like him.

When will 大穢 be available in English?

Anyone heard of this? About to start it.

>>4932
I've heard of it, but I haven't given it a try! There's a side story where they're all cats. It looks cute.
>>4925
We are suffering out here…

>>4925
I'm going to keep my hopes up since we got hashihime and ultra c. I need more of that Adelta goodness.

>>4932
Unfortunately I'm reporting back that it's not good, it's so not good I'm giving up on it after doing obly one route. It's a Spainish language original and I bet it's better in the OG language since the translation seemed amateurish and clunky with improper tenses and weird word choices. Ignoring that though it's just kind of bland.

>>4925
In 2027 I guess

I accidentally downloaded Sweet Pool instead of Slow Damage because I was sleep deprived and they both had the letter 's' in the title kek.
So far I'm really enjoying the dark atmosphere and the lovecraftian horror aspect of it, especially as a gurofag. The sound design is also driving me insane, it's so fucking good! I start twerking every time I hear that goofy ass tune that plays whenever Zenya shows up kek!
I have to say the omegaverse thing and the meat shitting is a bit silly and the characters look weirdly oblong, though I understand this is because it's an older N+C game. Tetsuo also has no charisma as a character so I can't bring myself to give a fuck about him. I have yet to play any of his route's though, so maybe that will change.
Makoto's ending on the other hand was everything I could have ever hoped for. I predicted it the moment they went to that burger joint and he ate like 20 burgers. I've never felt so vindicated by cannibalism kek! He was such a cute character too, I really enjoyed his route.

>>4948
>Tetsuo also has no charisma as a character so I can't bring myself to give a fuck about him.
He sucks super hard right? God you’re gonna hate him even more when you get to the endings

>>4948
>I accidentally downloaded Sweet Pool instead of Slow Damage because I was sleep deprived and they both had the letter 's' in the title kek
I love Sweet Pool, so I'm glad it was a happy accident! It's easily Nitro+Chiral's most overlooked title.
>the omegaverse thing and the meat shitting
I've always wondered if the omegaverse parallels were intentional or just a coincidence. Sweet Pool was made in 2013, and I think that one Supernatural omegaverse fic was written in 2012.
>Tetsuo also has no charisma as a character so I can't bring myself to give a fuck about him. I have yet to play any of his route's though, so maybe that will change.
Yeah, no, he's going to stay that way kek. Makoto is the best boy, in my opinion, and I'm glad you liked his route. He is very cute, and I wish there were more merch of him.

>>4952
>or just a coincidence
Pretty sure it was just a coincidence, nitro chiral already had some tropes that overlap with omegaverse in lamento (males going into heat) and mpreg was a pre existing trope before omegaverse. I’ve seen the theory a few times that Sweet pool takes place after Saya no Uta (and Youji is like, one of Saya’s children presumably) but I don’t know if that was intended either.

>>4953
>Pretty sure it was just a coincidence, nitro chiral already had some tropes that overlap with omegaverse in lamento (males going into heat) and mpreg was a pre existing trope before omegaverse
That is true, and you're right about Lamento. I'd kind of forgotten that whole part of the game. I once described the plot of Sweet Pool to a friend, and she was like, "that's just omegaverse. Are you SURE it's not ABO?" That thought has haunted me ever since she suggested it kek.
>I’ve seen the theory a few times that Sweet pool takes place after Saya no Uta (and Youji is like, one of Saya’s children presumably) but I don’t know if that was intended either.
I've seen this theory, and personally, I don't like it very much. I know it's possible, but that would render one of SnU's endings (the one where she blooms and turns the whole world into meat non-canon due to the timeline involved). I kind of like how open SnU's two endings are, so I don't personally subscribe to that theory. I like thinking of them as dealing with similar themes and concepts, but with different target audiences. Kind of like World End Syndrome and 7'Scarlet, except with meat monsters.

>>4954
>that's just omegaverse. Are you SURE it's not ABO?
I should mention that sweet pool originally came out in 2009, so it’s very unlikely but there’s an extremely slim chance that the supernatural fan who created omegaverse was inspired by sweet pool kek (it wasn’t translated into English till 2013 though)
>I don't like it very much.
I think it’s interesting food for thought but I don’t really buy it, it does make me wish nitro plus would do some sort of carnival phantasm thing and have Youji and Saya interact though since that could be funny.
>I kind of like how open SnU's two endings are
For me the [spoiler] route where they kill Fuminori and Saya is the canon one since Ryouko was my favorite character, even though she also dies [/spoiler]

Truly the only canon relation is that Mayu from Slow damage is either Aoi or Miyuki’s (from totono) boyfriend, but he cucked them both for Yukimi chan.

>>4955
>I should mention that sweet pool originally came out in 2009, so it’s very unlikely but there’s an extremely slim chance that the supernatural fan who created omegaverse was inspired by sweet pool kek (it wasn’t translated into English till 2013 though)
Agh, I feel foolish. I should've known that, but thank you for correcting me kek. I don't know how I screwed that up so badly and never double-checked dates when she suggested it. I guess I just started questioning everything I knew about Sweet Pool when she pointed it out, and I never thought more deeply about it.
>it does make me wish nitro plus would do some sort of carnival phantasm thing
I wish, but even if they did, they'd probably leave out the Chiral games, sadly.
>For me the route where they kill Fuminori and Saya is the canon one since Ryouko was my favorite character, even though she also dies
Ryouko was my favorite, too! That's also the ending I personally prefer, but I like having both options be possible and equally likely, if that makes sense? I'm a sucker for open endings, and it feels tonally appropriate to leave some ambiguity.

Are there any mobile games actually worth playing? I want something to play on lunch breaks but it seems all VNs on the app store are "episodic" and want you to pay to unlock chapters.

>>4978
All the ones I've played have been pretty ass, but I feel bad leaving you with no answers. I heard this one was pretty decent, but I haven't tried it. I can try to start it this week and report back if it's any good. Your Dry Delight is on the Google Play Store. Since it's free for computers, I doubt there are any "unlock using gems" type business going on in the mobile version. Also, it's not directly BL, but The Prison Boys has a sort of "almost BL" vibe, and it wasn't horrible, if you're just looking for something to read on your lunch break.

I know a couple of non-BL VNs that are full length and not episodic for mobile, but I don't know if you're interested in that.

>>4994
>Also, it's not directly BL, but The Prison Boys has a sort of "almost BL" vibe, and it wasn't horrible, if you're just looking for something to read on your lunch break.

This game looks like it appeals to my inner military aesthetic lover, downloading it right away.
Looks like neither are on the google play store, though oddly enough the Prison Boys developer's other game Tasokare Hotel is, but I found APKs of both since getting android games are trivial even without the store lol.

>>4978
Are you on android, nonna? If so you could try the android category on itchio and just sideload it. Indie mobile offerings tend to be pretty dire because selling on app stores is a bitch and the only thing that sells are freemium games.

>>4996
I didn't even think to check there! Any VNs you'd rec in particular?

>>4998
NTA, but check out Ebi-Hime's games! They're well-made, and she just released one that's like 10 hours long, although I haven't had time to read it. Be warned that a lot of her games are set in a universe based on a non-BL VN she wrote where she started shipping two of the male characters after the fact kek. I don't know how understandable they are without reading that one. The other problem is that a lot of them are not exactly work-friendly… Aside from her VNs, you'll encounter a lot of low-effort stuff that isn't worth your time on itch.io. Essence Hunt was cute, but nothing groundbreaking. Holonomy can be finished in under 10 minutes, but the art is cute. It leaves a lot unanswered, but it was one of those VNs I downloaded on a whim and was pleasantly surprised by, although I wish it had done more. Sorry if these are bad recommendations! I download and read a lot of low-effort games off of itch.io, so I don't always know what people's expectations are.

>>4850
While it's clearly going to come out at some point I just don't understand why this took 6 (I think?) fucking years. I mean I guess the easiest explanation would be that they give the minimum amount of shits about us that they can get away with.

Finally played through Paradise since the fandisc localization is on the way
And… I think I have the same pros and cons with the story that everyone else does, so it doesn't bear repeating
I will say that the "main" bad endings were more enjoyable to me than any of the good ones, which is funny to me as someone that prefers lovey dovey happy BL
They all get so cartoonishly violent and melodramatic in a way that was more gratifying and entertaining than the rest of the game lol
I was especially hyped when Azuma went Game of Thrones God of War eye gouge mode on Takara after just letting Takara torture him for however long??? So idiotic and so fun
But I am starting to crave more light-hearted BLVNs that leave out beatings and mutilation and rape, but it feels like the only alternative is Weenie Hut Jr slice of life with the the dramatic depth of a Hallmark movie
I would love to just read cute intimate cozy sex in an interesting setting or story, but I guess when a BL plot passes the threshold of being "great" it's required by law to have at least one rape scene somewhere

>>5003
>They all get so cartoonishly violent and melodramatic in a way that was more gratifying and entertaining than the rest of the game lol
Are you a fellow Matsuda girl?
>But I am starting to crave more light-hearted BLVNs that leave out beatings and mutilation and rape
If you're fine with utsuge then I'd recommend Kenkou land games!

>>5004
>Are you a fellow Matsuda girl?
Mmm, he's alright! I can definitely see what puts him above other rapist LIs, but Mitsugi won me over by the end (which surprised me since I don't care for enemies to lovers all that much)
>If you're fine with utsuge then I'd recommend Kenkou land games!
I'll give them a look! The depressing elements of BLVNs really stick with me when done well

>>5005
>but Mitsugi won me over by the end
I like Mitsugi but I wish he was the uke kek

>>4994
Same anon coming back after trying it. Blank Page was pretty ass, so don't play it kek.

Is Camp Buddy yaoi or bara? I've played it and can't tell, odd vibes.

>>5014
I always assumed it was for homos. It's interesting to see it get lumped in with BLVNs when I don't know a single fujo who likes it.

>>5016
I haven't played it but from what I've seen of it I agree
How muscular the characters are (even the younger "skinny" boys are shredded), the fixation on jockstraps in artwork, and how stereotypically bara the scoutmasters look screams "for gay men"
I'm sure there's men that can make BL for fujos, but stuff like Camp Buddy is the closest I've seen with the "I'm a gay weeb that had my homo awakening by playing Kingdom Hearts" artstyle

>>5014
I’ve played it and I also think it’s got a mixed vibe to it. I consider it slightly more bara than yaoi. And I’ll probably consider Jock Studio similarly. But at least it’s not like Japanese bara.

>>5014
Pretty sure it's bara but I've seen some fujos play it.

>>5017
>the fixation on jockstraps
Automatic way to tell if something is for women or gay men honestly, fetish wear in BL is usually crossdressing focused and is stuff like maid outfits and playboy bunny costumes while in bara it's leather harnesses and jockstraps.