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>>6881 No.7989
I always read /ffs/ as 'for fuck's sake'.
No.7993
>>7984>Wouldn't surprise me if episode 1 filtered people with that blushing Tokiyuki scene. From what I understood casuals don't even notice that scene or don't think much about it, at least not the ones I talked to. For them it seems to be either the historical setting ("history is always lame I want fantasy") or the "tonal whiplash", they cannot parse the humor of this series. I feel like some people need the series to tell them whether it's funny or serious and stick to one of this otherwise they don't know what to think.
The common reason for skipping on it though is simply "haven't heard of it/[platform/friends] didn't recommend it". I don't remember the anime fanbase to be so passive in the past. It's like nobody is watching anything but the most hyped show that the mindhive chooses as the respective FOTM/AOTS.
No.7995
>>7993>I don't remember the anime fanbase to be so passive in the past Some people need the sense of community and fanfiction nowadays, without it then a story by itself isn't enough.
No.7996
>>7995It's depressing how many fans I have seen the last 10 years that openly said they're abandoning a fandom because they don't get enough likes to "boost" their hobby career. None of these people even talked about 5 likes or kudos, they were in fandoms that gave them hundreds. But this isn't enough so they started writing for Genshin or other gacha or they swap the fandom every few months depending on what's the current FOTM.
No.7998
>>7990Zoomers are trying so fucking hard to make ijbol a thing. It will NEVER be a thing, just like fetch
No.7999
Ijbol is some kinda Indonesian warlord I've never studied idk.
No.8000
>>7990>>7998I've never come across anybody who used ijbol that wasn't a screeching retard.
No.8003
Some people’s brains are just wired to love main characters. You could take the most basic, NPC-ass character ever, put them in the main role, and suddenly it’s ZOMG! they’re literally me! but if the same character was just a supporting character no one would remember they existed. It just goes to show how much character role matters, not even the screen time just the role they will be playing
No.8005
>>8003I think about this sometimes when I see Blue lock popularity poll results. I like Isagi but it feels like there's more interesting characters out there. I can only assume he keeps winning the polls by being the protag.
No.8006
Does anyone in Japan find racism a core issue in the Enstars debacle or is it fully the "anyway enjoy NEW Akatsuki nobody asked for, please forget about the unit you knew for 10 years" aspect?
No.8007
>>8006Not as much as the West. I saw one Japanese user bringing up the racism aspect and it had around 2k likes. The framing around it was pretty different too, in English circles you'd have people saying "the dynamic being changed doesn't matter at all, only the racism" etc etc while JP players that did mention it didn't make it into a one or the other thing.
And actually, if you search up 琉球 紅月 on Twitter you'll see some JP users referencing it as a Western controversy lol.
No.8008
>>8003I often think about this and I hate saying it but I believe it happens to the majority because the majority is hardwired to fall for any kind framing and are easy to manipulate so they like whatever MC, celebrity or politician they're getting exposed to the most, regardless of how good or bad they are.
This doesn't mean that (you) are one of them for casually preferring a MC. But a lot of people are incapable of carting about anybody but them, always fall for them and are blind for the rest or even dislike side characters with the exact same personality.
Most MCs are just bland as fuck because first they lack knowledge and professionality and have a less defined personality since they're representing the average Joe. Secondly they get TOO much screentime, eventually boring you with them (compare that to the villains that usually appear with a BOOM and only when they're about to do cool shit), thirdly the writers cannot take many risks with them. Making the MC morally gray is risky and potentially offensive and same with homosexuality, kinks and other shit. You just have more creative leeway with the antagonists and side characters which is why they are usually the best.
No.8010
>>8005I like him because he's a retard that keeps cheating on his partners. I don't like how he's portrayed in fanfic/doujins 90% of the time though. If he bottoms, he should be a power bottom.
No.8012
>>8003Fandoms like this are so exhausting. In one of mine there were so many amazing characters and ships totally ignored because 99% of fans only cared about the three mains. Even the Japanese fandom barely ever drew other characters.
No.8014
>>8003I usually like everyone but the main character unless the author isn't a retard and writes them as a human.
No.8015
Attention! This is a Konohara Narise appreciation post.
I LIKE KONOHARA NARISE! The tropes she uses hit pretty well for me, and the work is usually interesting enough that even when I'm not really into a specific couple, I'll still read it for the story. Novels are very hit or miss, but her's are usually a hit. She just has that something. And she's been writing BL since 1996, pure dedication! Lots of new translations for her stuff went up in December or so, so I'm on a big KN binge right now. I had no one else to tell this to, so I'm posting here, idk if this is even the best thread for it.
No.8016
>>8015Sounds like I need to check something of her's out then. Which story would you rec someone to get a feel for her writing?
No.8017
>>8016Some of her recurring tropes are one sided loves, or at least very unequal (one guy obsessive or carrying a torch for a guy for a long time, other often neutral), regular type guys like salarymen or low wage workers, family drama, slice of life and mundanity, and honestly…rather boring everyday guys. Sex is also more like an emotional story point, not really hot like a smutty one shot fic. I put this upfront cuz it's kind of a specific style, you will either really like some of her stuff or not at all imo, so if it's not your cup of tea after a couple of chapters feel free to drop it. My top fav is Hako No Naka, if you read just one from her I hope it's this one. From ones I've recently, "A Disgusting Guy" if you like an angsty, toxic codependence that isn't really a satisfying lovey-dovey romance.
No.8019
>>8017I also second Hako No Naka, my irl fujo friend recommended to me and it's great.
No.8021
>>7974In my fandom people don't tag on twitter and most of the artists I've found don't draw characters or ships I'm particularly interested in. Fansites back in the day were well tagged though so it would be an improvement if not for Japanese hosting services going pay only or disappearing entirely and nuking everything. I wish they were more inclined to preservation autism like the west.
>>8003>>8008That's an interesting theory. It's such a red flag when someone only cares about main characters (who I agree are mostly boring), characters who show up early, or otherwise as exactly the same things as everyone else. It's like they didn't even finish the source material.
No.8023
>>8017Thank you kindly for the recommendation, just finished hako no naka, the sequel, and the side stories with the kid, which were all tremendously good. The summer vacation side story made me teary
No.8024
>>8023Aww super glad you enjoyed! I love shilling her and especially that story. For more down the line, check novelupdates for blurbs of her other work and see if any catch your eye. A lot has been updated on there recently, I guess along with the new English translations.
>>8019>irl fujo friendLiving the dream, Nonner!
No.8026
>>8025It’s been a fascination with fujo artists for at least a decade and a half since I got into BL. Once in a while, an artist drops everything and it’s just green-teal ninja fanart for months on end. This recent wave from the movie is like how the Kitaro and First Slam Dunk took over your feeds. And to a small extent, Blue Giant.
No.8028
>>8015>Lots of new translations for her stuff went up in DecemberLegitimately teared up when I read this. I love her writing so much, I'm so happy her works are being translated.
No.8029
>>8027I was following InaIre when Drawr was around (a type of tegaki thing like what the kids are doing on Straw pages now). Most of the fanart became lost media when they shut down, unless people reposted the works on pixiv or Tumblr. But it's fun to watch with people for the sakka and friendship. Lots of famous seiyuu too.
Eventually I got distracted by other shows and dropped it.
You can find some old Drawr art on this tag
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=bad_drawr_id&z=1 No.8031
You ever been so excited by a series you just want to rush through it to write fanfics of it? I don't know how people who watch currently airing series handle it.
No.8038
>>8031The devil on your shoulder says you can still write hehe… Sometimes I look at the oldest fics for stuff, and timeline wise it comes out people are already writing even after 1 episode lol.
No.8039
I sometimes wonder what happened to all the DSMP girls.
I'm so glad the minecraft youtuber craze is finally fucking over thank the fucking lord but I sometimes wonder if there were seriously any comitted fujos into them but it was all bandwagoning.
I could never understand getting into RPF or semi-RPF
No.8041
>>8039The only one in my periphery ended up getting into AA and seems chill. I'm glad it's over as well, can't imagine getting into youtubers, years ago PewdieCry equally baffled me.
If it's a long gone historical figure like presidents, composers, kings, scientists, ect those people might as well be characters, with contemporary figures, especially youtubers not only do I think its a bit of a privacy invasion, but their "story" isn't done and they are liable to end up as terrible people or end up in controversy.
No.8042
>>8039the one I knew got into danmei, I'm also glad it's over but it's only a question of time until the next youtuber ship takes off.
No.8045
>>8039>I sometimes wonder what happened to all the DSMP girls.From ones I know they all either went to Formula 1 RFP or other mcyt series such as Hermitcraft.
>I'm so glad the minecraft youtuber craze is finally fucking over thank the fucking lord but I sometimes wonder if there were seriously any comitted fujosWell there was DNF but it was fumbled so badly due to one person being such a lolcow that the tumblr people don't really fuck with them anymore. I only see it when I go deliberately check dream fans' pages.
>I could never understand getting into RPF or semi-RPFFor youtubers, you are mostly guaranteed consistent content until they quit due to burnout. They operate on the same basis as gacha games do where you're guaranteed at least some entertaining personality to latch on to.
No.8046
>>8045>Well there was DNF but it was fumbled so badly due to one person being such a lolcow that the tumblr people don't really fuck with them anymoreThe downfall of Dream will always be funny to me. He was obviously a run-of-the-mill centrist/apolitical guy but because of his fanbase spent years pandering to zoomers that would make callouts over every small thing on a regular basis. Apparently he called another YTer a retard on Twitter recently so he's completely done with the act kek.
I think a lot of DNF shippers that aren't into Minecraft anymore moved onto whatever the next FOTM Tiktok yaoi ships followed, i.e. Wolfstar/Jegulus and Ivantill. I always considered these people "bandwagon" types of shippers because they seem to live and die by the algorithm and their own timelines.
No.8051
Man I wish Infinity nikki wasn't a gacha. The premise of the game sounds like something I could have fun with but I already wasted enough hours of my life on making myself suffer with premium currency fomo back when I was into idol boy games, FGO and GBF.
No.8061
>>8051I wish people would use gacha as pool to fish from when they're creating new series.
Like FGO for example has a ton of fantastic designs and good characters and ideas. But it's gacha so it's "okay with some hype scenes" at best. They should scan the game for the coolest servants and use them for an original Fate novel instead of having them being gacha locked. I would be hyped as fuck having Douman or Shi Huang Di in an own series, but having them appear in a FGO anime adaption makes me feel indifferent about it. Especially since every servant gets degraded to just one out of hundreds
No.8066
Why is it that new ideas spontaneously enter my head at weirdest of times? I was at the outside of a foreign church, saw a bird singing, and the idea of bird boy idols came up.
No.8078
>>8066What kind of bird boy? Since it's near a church I think an angelic dove boy is a cute idea, or did you see a specific type of bird that inspired you?
No.8079
I honestly can't deal with homophobic fujos and they always make me uncomfortable as someone who even now is in a lesbian relationship. It's one thing to have a problem with misogyny in the gay male community but too often it crosses over to just the territory of hating homosexuality in general and being into yaoi simply for the "I don't have any female competition here so I can imagine both of these guys fucking ME" yume aspect which to me just beats the purpose of enjoying a relationship between these two characters. And even if you have an actual problem with gay men just keep it to yourself, you don't need to sperg about how much you hate IRL faggots and faggot this and faggot that like an edgy 13-year old.
No.8081
>>8080Agree, fujo has become just another contrarian label which brings in all sorts of edgelords only as a form of rebellion with no regard to the essence of the community. They don't read BL (because it's boring to them) and only read NSFW fanfics and play R-18 VNs skipping the plot to get to the sex scenes. If even that, it feels like some of them just watch the CG scenes online and don't touch the games besides consuming more r34 fanart. And even that I wouldn't really have that much of a problem with, but then they can't shut up about how much they hate BL with no sex or that the characters are "too much like IRL faggots" i.e. have feelings and defined personalities and how fujos enjoying that have shit taste and aren't ~based~ enough. Give these people two years and they'll be into catgirl futa or some other moidy form of porn and preach about how all fujos are just pornbrained misogynistic coomers because that's how they were during their own fujo phase.
No.8082
>>8079I'd admit, as a straight Fujo who vibes in a few communities, it's oxymoronic to reduce a relationship to a fetish but we all have our reasons. I like men. Two men is better than one. And you know what makes it better? Letting them be vulnerable for once in their pitifully short lives. The interplay of eroticism and intrigue is what draws me into BL not just two men fucking.
No.8083
>>8078Less bird boy and more bird boy idols lmao.
No.8084
>>8079I have luckily most just seen this when I used LC for a short while but rarely outside of it. I generally can't stand it when people are bringing politics into fandoms, let alone making the fandom itself political. Doesn't matter if it's wokes or rightwinge or whatever other shit exists.
I noticed that fujo/yume mixes (so fans that do both) are usually super chill but yume-exclusives are a recipe for drama and hatred for some reason.
They are also very likely to either troon out or cuntboy'ing the characters at some point because they can only like a male/male pairing for so long until they turn it into lesbians or hets.
No.8085
>>8081>hate BL with no sex or that the characters are "too much like IRL faggots" i.e. have feelings and defined personalities and how fujos enjoying that have shit taste and aren't ~based~ enough. Holy shit I recently got into a bunch of arguments because of this. Never encountered it before but suddenly(?) there seems to be some subculture in the fujo fandom that hates on every nuanced character and masculine 2D man. I like both and happened to encounter this type of fujos on image boards and discords now. They basically called me out for supporting real men or something because I don't fap to 6 year old shota and multi-colored twinks.
I feel like almost everybody I am talking to nowadays was an angry incel from 4chan because these people say the exact same shit about anime women that are too mature, realistic or "3DPD-like" and calling everybody liking them a "normalfag that hates anime and manga".
I don't even care about "fujo" as a label. I am a fujo based on the things I draw and enjoy but tbh I hate how obsessed everybody is with labeling nowadays. To a point at which they even try to stigmatize fans that enjoyed a thing for 20+ years as fakers. Bitches I was already drawing yaoi of Satan when you weren't even born yet.
Just let me enjoy my ugly 2D ojisan, dammit.
No.8087
Is Bravern like a T&B situation where it's decently liked in Japan but non-existent to English viewers? I guess I'm not surprised because it's two beefy dudes in a mecha series but pretty sad considering how homo it is.
I was thinking about the state of fujos today and I honestly hate how dominant Hoyoshit pairings are, considering how bland they tend to be. I remember as a (pre)teen there was a variety of fujobait series you could cycle through like K, Servamp, Yowapeda, etc. Everything seems lame now but I might just be romanticizing it.
No.8090
>>8087I wouldn't say non-existent since there are definitely western fans, but I think the men being a bit more muscular/mature is driving away younger people who probably would have enjoyed the story like you said. Unfortunately my bara acquaintances are the only people I know into it, no fujos.
Hoyo is "free" and is designed to print money so it's no wonder it is a dominating presence but I still see variety under the surface. Off the top of my head for 2020 fandoms: Sk8 as another nonna mentioned in the anime thread has a lot of different body types and ages so it's managed to capture a wide swath of different fans, Geass and One Piece both saw a bit of a revival due to new iterations. Trigun's remake series brought with it a new set of incest fans and revitalized the older fandom, and I don't watch new Shonen anymore but I know that BnHA still has a shipping fandom as do works like Jujutsu Kaisen and Mashle. I do think there's some rose-tintedness on your part since the big shipping fandoms from my preteen days were just the big three SJs Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece and then Clamp series. People always gravitate to what's popular and accessible, and I'm sure if mobile games had been a thing in 2008 that's what would have been big as well.
No.8098
>>8087>YowapedaI'm sorry nonna but I think yowapeda and osomatsu days were pure fujocope because I still don't know how did people find all those attractive enough to ship
No.8099
>>8098I wouldn't call the Ososan cast attractive but they are cute and have good dynamics with each other, what more do you need to ship? One of the last big fandoms I was in, miss it dearly.
Not that nonna and I haven't seen Yowapeda, but I like the guy with the teeth and think the character designs have a lot of personality, not a sports fan, but if I ever watch that one it will be because of the designs.
No.8100
>>8087Funny because I thought the same shit an hour ago after I realised that almost everybody I talk to is either a tiktok addict (regardless of age) or playing Hoyo crap all day. No wonder nobody watches anything anymore or plays any new games if they are busy with these. I don't think that the big ships in the past were much better but what bothers me is that I feel like everything is focused on the big few these days. I probably imagine it, but nowadays I feel like the west chooses one (1) single anime or game they choose to care about and completely ignore everything else.
>>8090Same here. I watched Bravern for the two dudes and the mecha and realised how extreme the discrepancy between the hype in Asia and the west is. Same with my current fandom. I am literally the only western artist for it because the dudes I love are again muscular and mature and just as with Bravern the setting is also driving westerners away. The only western fans (not even artists) I see for this series coom to the lolis of course.
I partly blame the image anime have in the west. In Japan the demographics of the audience seem to be much broader. Here most anime fans are literal 14 year olds and young teens rarely like beefy dudes, military settings, gritty sci-fi etc.
I know I shouldn't bother and thanks to google translate I can even understand the tweets and raunchy fusetter headcanons of the my fellow Japanese artists. But I still feel sad because I wish I could openly talk and sperg about my series with others that are more or less fluent in English.
No.8101
>>8100>I partly blame the image anime have in the west. In Japan the demographics of the audience seem to be much broader. Here most anime fans are literal 14 year olds and young teens rarely like beefy dudes, military settings, gritty sci-fi etc. This is true, I think "manly-men" are a hard sell for western fujos mainly because they run young, I know I didn't start enjoying characters with muscles and more masculine features until after college. Though this is making me think of the post in the BL manga thread about the author who struggled to sell her "old man yaoi" in Japan and was glad it was getting an English release since 40 year olds are more popular over here. I guess we EN fujos like old men as long as they aren't too manly lol.
No.8103
>>8101Yeah it was similar for me. I liked DBZ dudes with 14 but outside of that I stuck to bishounen like Sephiroth, Kaworu etc. It was only when I hit the 20s that I was actively seeking out mature and muscular characters and by that age many others don't even watch anime anymore. I hate to say it but most of the few other adults I know that still engage with manga/anime are either actual autists, pedos or inherently insecure people in their 30s that don't relate with adults.
> I guess we EN fujos like old men as long as they aren't too manly lol.I think part of the reason is just that she compares the Japanese audience with the English speaking twitter audience which is basically global. EN isn't just the US or the UK, Germans, Italians, Mexicans, many Brazilians, Russians and others are speaking English on twitter. I don't think that old men are more popular among western fans, just that the English speaking audience on twitter is thousand times bigger. Her yaoi might not even be unpopular for the old men but because the typical Japanese (and western) yaoi fan isn't into that and the rest simply never didn't know these manga existed before that one post blew up on twitter.
I think that this is generally the problem with manga. A LOT of mature characters or series could be super popular here, but the type of people that like these genres ignore anime and manga to begin with because the impression that manga was nothing but isekai, moe, pedo fanservice and harem is just too strong. I am 100% convinced that my own country would LOVE the shit out of Monster. But since everybody deems animation "shit for kids" they haven't even dubbed it.
No.8104
>>8098Osomatsu muppets are too ugly for me and I say this as a fkmt fujo. Maybe it's because the matsus specifically look like tumblr art style.
No.8105
>>8104Could never get into them either but I understand nonna. I wouldn't call them ugly though rather a bit too cartoony and non-human for me, lel. FKMT characters are hot as shit though, I agree. Albeit even there it's funny, because while I call FKMT dudes "ugly" myself technically they aren't. They are untypical and maybe ugly judged by the common beauty standard of anime/manga that value angelic, very young faces.
But if FKMT characters were real they would count as handsome dudes I think. Tonegawa, Washizu and such are technically top tier elegant men that aged like wine. It's harder to imagine with Hyoudou and his son, but tbh if you would sketch many prominent and popular real men they would probably be uglier.
I think we all agree that the dynamics are important though. I am currently obsessed with some dudes from elusive samurai that I genuinely considered ugly until I got into them and brainwashed myself into thinking that they're super cute and hot (or maybe I was brainwashed before and am now able to see the truth).
No.8106
>>8104Not into BLmatsu anymore but it's the opposite for me. I think it's the fact that the designs are still "cute" looking even if a bit Tumblr that enabled me to ship them. It's the same deal with South Park for me even though they're basically just bobble heads. Whereas I can't get into FKMT yaoi at all for the life of me because the art style has zero moe or bishie/ikemen appeal. There's this one artist I follow that draws Kaiji ships with a bishie style but I don't think I could ever be truly invested in it because I just remember the original art. Still a good series though.
No.8107
I know I am a petty fag for complaining but I hate how much tiktok has infected everybody with its bullshit, including non-zoomers. I miss the times when fans would make up headcanons to fill gaps of the story instead of posting trendy shit and saying "that's him/them!" and going "OOOOOOOUUUUU YOU'RE RIGHT".
I talk to multiple groups of adult, mostly western fans and besides of one place the chat groups feel more like tiktok fanclubs than fan spaces and it makes me feel like a boomer even though half of the fans are of the same age as me (~30) and the rest in their 20s. But everybody seems to link shitty meme videos that have absolutely zero in common with the series we're fan of or the characters but claim it was totally them because they can't come up with a single own idea.
Hell, most of the 2D men we like are lone wolf villains from sci-fis, rounin or some grumpy soldiers and they link rap videos with loud annoying US Americans that are trying hard to be funny by screaming but absolutely aren't and say "this is totally the character".
I know it's petty as fuck. I just think about how these fans could contribute so much more to the fandoms if they used all that time with headcanons, art, fics or fusetter notes like the Japanese do instead of being obsessed with unfunny wannabe ganstar tiktok.
No.8112
>>8107I really hate the murder, sex, and vape jokes in particular where it has absolutely nothing resembling the character at all and the caption is too mean spirited to sound like anyone in the series, but people just slap cut outs of heads on it and share it round. And then someone in another chat group who knows I like that series but hasn't watched it will pass ALL of these tweets to me thinking they must be haha funny memes based on it, and I don't have the heart to tell them this is infuriating bullshit that mischaracterizes EVERYONE. I know I'm reaching sometimes with my bad jokes, but at least they're usually within similar confines to the canon and not representative of some American cultural stereotype I don't even know.
Actually fuck, I should take this to vent but I think I said it before. One of my favs raps in a few character songs. He's the designated rap guy. He's Japanese, Japanese name, lives in Japan, black hair, dark eyes, peach skin. 80% of the memes about him are slapping him on black people or ebonics because rap. The people posting these can shove their trigger warnings up their own asses.
No.8114
Why are people weird with stories exploring sexuality? It doesn't have to be a coombait and still one prude spergs about dirty sexuals running everything.
No.8115
>>8114I've experienced the exact opposite with people finding shonen ai boring even though it's my preference. People are never happy no matter what end of the spectrum you're on. If it's specifically yaoi porn though and not just fanservice in general it's probably just angry men who are homophobic.
No.8117
>>8112>And then someone in another chat group who knows I like that series but hasn't watched it will pass ALL of these tweets to me thinking they must be haha funny memes based on it, and I don't have the heart to tell them this is infuriating bullshit that mischaracterizes EVERYONE.Oh my fucking god, this. It's annoying as shit. What I get is usually not mean spirited but it's stupid as shit. Usually it's loud black US zoomers doing some fortnite-like dance with retarded rap music and for the fans those people are somehow exactly the same as a king from a manga taking place in 1500 or a wandering samurai because… NOBODY knows. It's "the vibes". Somehow the image of the character they have in mind is has nothing to do with the canon version.
I also never know what to say when people link me that shit. And it's always tiktok or instagram. I would be more tolerant if it was at least funny on its own but it never is. It's just loud and annoying and it always makes me feel second-hand embarrassment.
>not representative of some American cultural stereotype I don't even knowThat too. And it hurts me that even non-americans do that. I even know fans from Thailand that are so brainwashed by scrolling US bullshit all day that they adapted their mindset like a native.
No.8120
I really wish the /sh/ board was still here, even if it was completely sanitized and only allowed sfw. Like I want to talk about the lolishota meta and I know there are nonnas here that don't like shota (and/or loli) so they'd rather not see it at all even in a discussion context. And if the /sh/ board still existed it'd be automatically hidden so those nonnas don't have to see it. I suppose a thread on /ffs/ would work as they could hide it, but I don't want to overstep on the moderation.
No.8121
>>8119Same here. I am the only western fan drawing fanart of my ship and while the series isn't as big like JJK or such it's a Jump shounen that you can read translated for free on mangaplus so you would assume that westerners cared, but they don't.
I cannot even openly talk about it since I would reveal who I am. And I wish I could talk about my ship but since I don't speak any Asian language all I can do is to use the translator tool to understand what other fans tweeting, but this is different from actually chatting and speculating with each other.
A lot of Japanese fusetter headcanons for my ship(s) are super interesting too, but I just cannot speak about it aaaaaaaaaaa
At best I can write a short tweet saying some basic grammar shit like "This idea is very interesting!" because I can speak Japanese just well enough for simple sentences like that.
The question of why westerners never care is a constant topic on FC. Yesterday some nonnas speculated it might be related to the audience/readerbase for anime/manga in the west which are not only smaller than in Japan, they also seem to be more age-restricted. In the west you only have fanbases for mainstream anime like SxF, DDD etc. or nothing it seems. And even for the mainstream shit westerners only seem to care for the MCs and rarely ship side-characters, let alone antagonists.
No.8122
>>8120We have a shota thread on /flf/ as long as you don't post porn you can discuss whatever you want in it.
>>8119Have you considered writing fanfiction for your ship to propagrandize it? Admittedly I've done it a few times to no results be at least it's something out there for the one other fan lol. Commissioning art is another good idea so I wish you luck on that!
No.8126
>>8122I thought about it, but I'm bad at writing and don't want to be teased or harassed for my fetishes. It's personalityfagging at this point
No.8132
>>8131No, but I think it could be a springboard for an interesting BL fanfic. Stories with genderbending a good for setting up an "I'm not gay!" Crisis when the non-genderswaped guy realizes that he is also attracted to the "real" guy underneath the girl form.
One other interesting one I liked when I was a kid was "Your & My Secret aka My Barbaric Girlfriend" which had the man guy basically realize he was attracted to another guy while in a girl's body. I was always disappointed that never went anywhere, lol.
No.8133
>>8131it is, some people consider female ranma doing things with other girls "yuri" even thou he is literally just a man in a woman's body, literally.
Which shows how shallow yuribros or yuri wokies are, they only care for the aesthetic and the bodies, I have never seen the reverse (woman in men's body) being that popular with fujos.
No.8135
>>8133Why would you consider it BL and not it's own third thing? If we can all agree cuntboy isn't BL neither should genderswap shenanigans.
No.8136
>>8131"Biologically female" is a no from me. Even if I like the ship, when it's het it is as a het ship. When he turns into a boy then it can fit the term "boys love".
No.8137
>>8133>I have never seen the reverse (woman in men's body) being that popular with fujos.I think while men are more purely into the aesthetics, women are more into interpersonal dynamics and therefore the underlying… personality essence? Of characters. Like how most fujos like rather fixed top/bottom (or dom/sub) dynamics. So if a woman is in a man's body, she's still essentially a woman and not a man, I guess. It'd personally turn me off and probably plenty of other female readers too I think.
No.8140
>>8136I agree. I think this
>>8137 is also interesting to consider. I just remembered there's a king of prism ship I like that has a 'woman reincarnated into a male body' element to it but I consider that a valid BL ship cause in the end it's still two guys physically.
No.8142
>>8135I agree, genderbend is its own genre. I think it's categorized that way in Japan too. It has its own niche audience.
>>8137I can only speak for myself but what you described is my mindset even though it doesn't really make sense and I still wouldn't consider that type of series BL. I read Boku Girl where that was the premise and wasn't that put off by it, but I wouldn't touch fujoshi trapped in a seme's body or whatever it's called with a 10 ft poll even if the characters are both physically male. It's mainly because of the narrative of genderbend works - even if the body is changed they'll always hone in and bring up the psychology of the character being their original sex and whatnot since the disconnect between the mind and body is the appeal of those scenarios. There's also the element of "if the creator wanted to do yaoi they would've just written it normally" that makes me not consider either as such lol, same thing with trapshit. I mentally put these types of series in the same category as bisexual and stuff.
Of course, it's not a situation where you're forced to choose one over the other so I haven't bothered with those sorts since.
No.8145
>>8139I can't even tell which character that's supposed to be with the MC
No.8146
>>8139Also the artstyle is so different and looks off
No.8148
>>8147>>8139the artstyle change makes me think this will be a troll scene like maybe a character is a fujo and has a dream/imagination sequence of the 2 characters and thats what she sees, like the exaggerated shoujo artstyle that Toko has of byakuya in UDG
No.8149
>>8147That's funny but so are the 5th and 6th paragraphs being paragraph long run-on sentences.
No.8153
>>8133Oh yeah they're incredibly shallow. My favorite man (actual adult + muscles + beard) gets headcanoned as woman by them because he's somewhat elegant. Elegance means you are either a woman or trans. I hate it because I like elegant men.
>>8147Based. When I google images I only care about what's shown on those images. And I don't want to see my men being tagged as transgender for no reason.
This is especially enraging when you consider that those websites are pure reposts places. So it's not even the artist tagging it but some rando that interprets it the way they like.
I already had my fanart of BEEFY WARRIORS getting reposted elsewhere and the reposter calling them "lesbians" or "trans visibility" even though I tend to draw men super masculine so I guess they just impose their character shizo headcanons on them, regardless of what they see.
No.8167
>>8145Eito (megane)
>>8146Yeah originally I thought it was just some edit/fanart someone did and pretended it was a leak but it seems a little more legit due to the source of the pic (some eleven guy taking a bunch of pre release pictures at an event)
>>8148This is more what I'm thinking currently as sad as that is…
No.8168
Stupid question but what do you say (if you say anything, that is) if you really like a fanart of an Asian fan and retweet it?
I usually said nothing or rarely made some easy to understand reply in case that they don't really speak English, but I feel bad because almost every Japanese and Chinese fan that retweets my own art is making those separate posts that start with "RT" (basically "about the Retweet:") and praise my shit in detail or be nice, so it feels wrong saying nothing.
Do you write in English or try to form a Japanese or Chinese sentence if you praise? I know a Chinese person so the latter is no problem, for Japanese I have some rudimentary skills so can form simple sentences and double check with google translator, but I can't say more complex shit about it so English would be better I guess?
To me it feels wrong talking in English but it's probably just me. A lot of EOP online act like being from an ENG speaking culture was the standard and assume that everybody spoke it or should accommodate to their culture so it bears some negative associations IMO. My mother tongue is German, but that isn't much better lol
I am probably just paranoid and they would just click the translation tool so it doesn't matter what language I use..
No.8170
>>8168I normally just retweet without saying anything because I genuinely just don't have anything meaningful to say. If I do say something I'll do it in a reply and keep it pretty basic (So cute/I also love bullying this character, heart emoji) and in their native language just as a common courtesy. I will only use english if it's an artist who has demonstrated the ability/willingness to communicate in english before.
No.8177
>>8168When did RT posting fall out of fashion in western fandom? I started using twitter before 2020 and I remember it being everywhere in English speaking fandom spaces. Recently I saw people acting like it was a foreign custom, and after that I realized nobody on my timeline is doing it any more. Even JP artists I follow QRT things in the way we always used to tell newcomers not to.
No.8185
They've been there for years now but I fucking despise the 3DPD gay porn ads on MRM. I just want to see my yaoi boys fuck but instead get jumpscared by a bunch of ugly moids. I remember when it was just a few ads of that 2D porn game which was funny at least but now they have garbage pop up in your face at every click.
No.8186
>>8177I think it's because many people think that QRT would "steal" likes since people might retweet and like the QRT instead of the actual pic. I have actually seen this happening because you regular net user is incredibly stupid and lazy, they only click what is fed to them. But that aside the fandoms I am in are usually very nice so it doesn't matter. Some people QRT my stuff and tbh I like it.
The extra tweets with RT are easy to overlook especially if you aren't following the person that makes them. You have to go onto their profile to look for them.
>>8170In the past I replied too, but I felt like I was urging the artists to reply to my reply then which might be a bother. I myself have issues to answer to praise because I don't know what to say but saying nothing feels like I wasn't cherishing it enough.
My theory is that this is why Japanese do it their own way. Japanese tend to be very discreet and making an own tweet that comments on the fanart seems like you were just talking to yourself, so there is no need to reply and you only see it if you care about it.
No.8187
>>8185I’ve just stopped using MRM. Even with Adblock, the gross 3dpd ads would show and it just isn’t worth it anymore, especially after they removed the shota tag. Now I’ve just been using a mix of comickio, batoto, exhentai, and nhentai. It’s harder, but worth it for me considering that the few times I still check MRM just to see if I missed anything from those sites, it’s just bara or furry stuff that I didn’t see on the other sites.
No.8188
>>8185Why do you see ads? I use blockers since 2010 or so, never saw an ad since then, not even on youtube. uBlock and the likes can even elements that aren't ads but annoy you, like headers and shit.
No.8189
>>8188Reading anything R18 on my PC isn't really an option as it's not in my room so I use my phone. But I just found out you can install ad blockers for iPhone after believing otherwise for years kek.
No.8190
I'm so fucking sure before going to sleep I had seen a thread or post about a manga with a 30yo something salaryman seme and his boytoy uke whatever and now I cant fucking find it. It was 4 pictures and the covers of a manga and it was posted here on fujochan. Did I hallucinate that?
No.8192
>>8186I know the reason, like I said we used to go around telling newcomers it all the time. What I didn't know was that English speaking fandom stopped making separate tweets that begin with "RT" to comment on things, and JP fandom seems to be QRTing or not typing RT anywhere.
>>8185Have you tried one of the tachi desktop apps? It's not great for browsing but it removes seeing any adverts from the webpages and just grabs the page images. You could find what you want to read then load it through the client.
>>8189Ah. I've only ever used android, so I have no idea but if firefox is available as a browser on iPhone that allows you to put addons on it like on desktop if you want that.
No.8199
>>8192>What I didn't know was that English speaking fandom stopped making separate tweets that begin with "RT" to comment on thingsNVM then I misunderstood. I didn't know it was a thing. I avoided socmedia for the longest time and only joined twitter in 2015 and only as follower that saves Japanese fanart so I never encountered these posts.
The Japanese I see are all still doing the RT thing though. Though sometimes they might not say "RT", but it's obviously referring to the former retweet. I like it.
>>8187Second what
>>8192 said. Download Suwayomi (basically tachiyomi for desktop). It accesses every manga aggregator that exists and you can compose a single library out of all the manga you read regardless of the source site. Much handier than using multiple websites and libraries and you can download easily too and don't have to use the crappy readers like that of mangadex.
>>8189Not sure how phones, let alone apple stuff, work but technically addons shouldn't be an issue if you use a browser as the other anon said. I might talk shit though because I don't use phones.
No.8209
I watched a video about Club Penguin's history and I got the itch to play it again, I played it so much as a kid so it'd be cute to go down memory lane. So I hop on the most popular private server, Club Penguin Journey, go to the gift shop and I see they're selling a "trans pride scarf". Nonnas I am tired, I just wanted to replay some penguin flash games. Tho I will say, I'm on the most popular server and it seems the community is just hanging around on the Town and Welcome Room with the dancing animation doing nothing else. No one wanting to do Card Jitsu in the Dojo? Or do a Sled Race? Just spam "Like my Igloo"? Okay then. Hopefully I just logged in at a wrong time, it's cool the devs are constantly doing events and parties, but idk why I feel surprised a niche community with dedicated devs needs pride flags. I felt the same disappointed with ToonTown Rewritten and Corporate Clash. My fun chatroom childhood games attract these kind of people I guess. Sure, it could be nostalgia speaking, these kind of games are more magical as a kid, but I don't remember pride flags or rooms being filled with people doing nothing while others had no one.
No.8210
>>8209
>or rooms being filled with people doing nothing while others had no one.I have a feeling it's a similar situation to things like ponytown. Most people on these kinds of things just go on there to have something in the background while they're drawing or watching youtube.
No.8211
>>8209
>go to the gift shop and I see they're selling a "trans pride scarf".a lot of devs and people into programming these days are some flavour of troon furry so i imagine that's why.
No.8212
>>8210At least in PonyTown there's literally nothing to do so I understand that. Having an online game that is filled with minigames and things to do for the background is crazy to me, but it's more personally cuz I couldn't be able to do it kek
>>8211I know but it still makes me sad, Club Penguin has a soft spot in my heart so to see it have tranny shit makes me very annoyed.
No.8213
>>8212>to see it have tranny shit makes me very annoyedI know what you mean. Like every time I think troonism is going out of style, I get blasted with a reminder that it’s still popular. And to see it in a game that had no reference to sexuality or gender originally and was made for children is just gross to me.
No.8214
>>8213>I know what you mean. Like every time I think troonism is going out of style, I get blasted with a reminder that it’s still popular. i think it's here to stay.
No.8215
>>8214I think there will be more and more open criticism of troonism among the general population while the media quietly stops promoting it as much. Troons will get less and less popular even if they still exist. At least that's my hope. There's more general skepticism than ever since the troon movement started about the effects of hormones. If the terrible effects of T on women become publicized, it would cripple the movement. Every TIF wouldn't take T or grapple with the fact that it's damaging their body.
No.8216
>>8215For like, two generations you know- post segregation and widespread media, black people had an invincibility shield. Every cartoon needed a black kid. Every TV show needed black people in positive roles. Horror movies became memes for black guys never surviving, ect. And now Indians, lesbians, and in general non-Americans are getting that.
Around 2017 black people lost that shield, despite the history predating it, and they aren't special anymore. As /pol/ as this sounds, we're going to have to endure potentially two generations of pedestal protected treatment before they pull the plug and all of "their" terms turn into points of ridicule and slang. (woke for example)
It's like watching an embarrassing parody of the black panther party. Be loud, proud, but instead of dignity and learning law it's dressing like a clown and being aggressively "my identity" in every space possible. And the worst part is, it's mostly children and people under 30 being like this. You can't tell little Eric Cartmans to be normal because child abuse, transphobia, homphobia ect.
Everything's on the wrong foot and it's genuinely gonna get worse.
No.8217
>>8216you don't think trump is going to work on getting it out of american media?
No.8218
>>8217There will never Hayes Code to dictate how television is made again.
IPs listen to investors, investors invest in stupid shit. No investor is going to fund an 'old hollywood' movie or television series. Especially when streaming services greenlight flop after flop. Even Korea is pandering now because just a single extra half percent of profit's still profit. Which I find funny, because non-koreans and poor people get the same treatment as the joke minority/person who dies.
Fucking cylindrical history.
No.8220
>>8218While I understand your cynicism, there is indeed a small shift happening with trannies. Ever since Republicans won so much, companies have been dropping troons little by little. Not only pics related as an example, but Mark Zucc also gender is an outdated discourse and that he wants it to not be a priority in his website (source on that
https://x.com/esaagar/status/1876612227807236310). Trump also signing an executive order that states men cannot be women and women cannot be men is huge and he also just signed today an executive for trannies in women's prisons to be transferred to men's prisons.
Of course I don't think Trump is a god emperor for this or that Zucc is doing it in good faith and it'll take a while for gender ideology to disappear from the general population, but it's a start and if newer generations start thinking trannies are lame and gross then there'll be hope they don't fall for this nonsense.
No.8221
>>8220If invincibility gets cancelled for media that isn't all pandering within THIS gen, or five years it will be an absolute miracle. Provided it doesn't resurge like Godzilla.
I retreat to JP media to avoid it all but even their isolation bubble is starting to crack. They've done it right since the beginning, I don't want to see another Grell Sutcliff. Which turned a deranged okama into literally me representation.
No.8222
>>8218Genuine question.
How do we deal reconcile our hatred of trannies in media and our love of yaoi???
The more boys love media we get, the more media with troons in it is made bc companies r going to feel safer with releasing general lgbt content.
I'm probably missing something but that's just my thoughts.
No.8223
>>8220The big problem is that transexuals are how republicans test how much shit they can get away with, right now you might thing that it's good because it targets gendies, but let them and soon enough we'll end up like fujos in china getting jailed for writing gay porn.
No.8225
>>8221Is the Grell thing actually canon? I haven't seen/read all of Black Butler, but I always thought it was a headcanon that English fandom forced on everyone lest they get ostracized.
>>8222>The more boys love media we get, the more media with troons in it is madeI mean, I personally haven't really seen a surge in BL adding troon main characters, at worst if they're present they're secondary background characters. Deep down, people still understand that fujos like yaoi because the characters in it are men with dicks and balls. Japan has yet to add cuntboys to BL en masse, the only time I see them is on DLsite fetish comics. Then again, that all depends on JP creators not conceding to Western sensibilities.
>>8223Also a great point. Republicans aren't our friends, aren't they already trying to take away gay marriage?
No.8226
>>8222I don't give a fuck about random cartoons that I'm never going to watch, I just don't want vaginas in my BL. Which seems like it's only a problem in western made VNs, comics etc.
I'm more annoyed at transbending in fandom than trans stuff being present in original works.
No.8229
>>8225>Is the Grell thing actually canon?I thought I heard that Yana actually confirmed it or said that he wants to be a woman but didn't specifically use the word trans. I'm not sure. There seems to be a lot more weight to it being legit compared to a character like Chihiro Fujisaki or something. The line between okama and trans is blurry sometimes, like the okama characters in Gintama, some don't call themselves women but others do, like Grell. But Grell isn't a crossdresser either, so that adds more confusion.
>>8220Shit will eventually hit the fan because more and more kids are being given puberty blockers, surgery and hormones with zero questioning, and the ones who were just going through a phase can't reverse those permanent changes.
No.8231
>>8221>I retreat to JP media to avoid it all but even their isolation bubble is starting to crack.I hate what they did to Bridget. I'll admit that I've never been a guilty gear fan cause I'm not into fighting games but I've always been drawn to cute boys so even then it's just disappointing to hear that a cute crossdressing boy was sacrificed to current year politics.
No.8232
>>8231I considered mentioning Testament but decided against it because given how JP pronouns work, it wasn't the worst thing to happen. Bridget on the other hand is still being fought about because making him a she makes his backstory way worse.
No.8233
>>8222When it comes to BL, I think it depends what segment you're into. West? Yeah thats a lost cause. Shounen? A bit
But with Grell and other fujo-ish franchises like WindBreaker, esemble stars, or paradox live, They're more of an eccentric male archetype than anything else. They look masculine, they have mannish shoulders and muscly legs, man hands, Adam's apples, or facial/leg hair. They're very much portrayed as men, just one that's incredibly eccentric.
No.8238
>>8236>It's funny because it the series he is treated like an annoying sexpest by everyone else, while they refer to him as a man.Yeah, I don't really get the other nona complaining about him. If you asked me, I'd say he is written to make fun of gendies, not validate them. I mean, he IS a comic relief character after all.
No.8239
Seeing people paying for comms from god awful "tumblr style" artists that don't even get poses right makes me wonder if I live in some sort of parallel reality. Like how does woke brainwashing work? IS it even related to this?
Considering how many western artists are drawing like this or even paying people to draw your manga favs as fat, race-swapped cartoon characters with ugly nose, bad skin and the most disgusting (and revealing) tranny clothes you have ever seen it makes me wonder if it's still just virtue signalling or maybe a genuine liking. Maybe
they actually perceive this shit as sexy, the way that I perceive manly men as sexy even though a heterosexual man or lesbian wouldn't understand.
I cannot imagine that you pay 50-100 EUR/dollars "performatively". And I know someone that draws like too even though literally nobody in our fandom likes it. She has no reason to do it, she isn't trans, she is even a cool person otherwise. So why does she do it? Why does she deliberately draw ugly tumblr style and transwashes her favs even though she never talks about trans otherwise, doesn't headcanon them as such AFAIK and literally self-sabotages because the fandom hates it? There are no wokes to see her deed and praise her. So why??
No.8241
>So why??
um… ask her???
No.8242
>>8239I haven't seen tumblr style commissions for that much, usually they seem to be in the 20-30 range, but even then I doubt people are dropping down anything over 20 bucks performatively. People like differnt things. Given how much original art is in that ugly style there must be an audience, same reason people commissions gross fetishes or furshit. Someone out there will pay handsomely to see their niche vision come to life.
No.8245
>>8239Think of it like furry comms.
who else will do it?
I do comm work myself (not art though) and most of my requests are too disgusting for most public facing groups or companies. Artists know these people will pay en masse for garbage and it's easy income for them if they 'make' it.
No.8251
>>8245How hard is it to get into this type of work if you have no previous online presence? My skills are mid but I need to make some money in this economy
No.8257
>>8251Work for free. Not too much, but create sample work like draw anons or writing anons.
Also post on reddit. If you have a post history of delivering or making it seem like a hobby, you have something to back you up. There'a a subreddit for literally everything that isn't lolisho. Then after a few posts, sell in ad spaces, link social media. I did and while my social doesn't have any followers, the fact is it's there means anyone who wants to buy can just find my work easy.
No.8273
Sorry in advance if it sounds dumb but I recently noticed I actually don't mind interacting all that much with fandoms of games or stories I like anymore. From middle school to the end of university I was always online because I liked a lot of books, manga and games nobody knew or wanted to talk about irl, and I wanted to talk about these things. I was looking forward to new video game releases but didn't have enough pocket money for them so I had to do a lot of research in retro game stores or online to get second hand copies, I was into a lot of manga I borrowed in the library or bought, and into anime I watched on tv or online if they were on dailymotion but couldn't catch up to these series whenever I wanted because the episodes online were often taken down and reposted somewhere else, and for what was on TV I had to wait the next day or week for the next episodes. I did a lot of research online to know more about these franchises, and kept finding fan websites and forums so I always wanted to know more and interact with these older people who knew more than me and could afford importing books and DVDs from Japan or the US in the 2000s and early 2010s. I even found fan translations for some light novels and trying to read incomplete fan translated Haruhi Suzumiya novels in English helped me practice English outside of school before the second season started. I had no clue how people could find interviews in Japanese and translate them before posting them on livejournal.
Now that everything is way more accessible, technology is better and more affordable and I have a disposable income I don't give a fuck anymore. I went from obsessively looking for info on FMA online in middle and high school to know what's said about the manga and the first anime in interviews because I sometimes missed episodes on tv and had to buy the manga little by little very slowly to simply importing all the Japanese volumes of JJK a few months ago and reading them with a dictionary or google translate for words I haven't learned by then. I used to be obsessed with Pokemon as a kid because I grew up with gen 1, was upset that classmates pretended they were too grown for gen 3 games, and now I still like most of the games and retweeting cute pokemon fanart on my TL but don't really think about it anymore because I can buy games whenever I want, you can very easily find guides online and trade online without an accessory like a cable (which I lost when I was a kid so I couldn't fight my sisters on the GBC games anymore) and the games in Europe are finally released at the same time as in Japan so I don't even have to worry about that either. Older games in general can easily be downloaded on new consoles for cheap or you can pirate them. It kind of ruins the hype for older classics I thought were inaccessible when I first heard about them though. Don't even get me started on how legally getting into vkei and jrock was nearly impossible back then.
No.8274
>>8273tldr, sort of because the first post was too long: It's insane to think I would have been a much more casual nerd if I were born like 10 or 15 years later because everything became a lot more accessible, both legally and illegally.
No.8276
>>8273Ik this is not the point youre making but it sounds like a product of getting a bit older and losing "childhood wonder", not necessarily just accessibilty. When i was younger i was also interested in a variety of stuff, now I cant give a shit. I think most ppl lose the passion and interest with age. Cause even now in the era of accessibility, theres still huge nerds who love whatever their interests are, but I just think the majority of them is gonna be rather young. Conversely if things stayed innaccessible, who's to say your interest would stay too?
No.8278
>>8276>who's to say your interest would stay too?I don't really know, but with how curious but lazy I am I'd say it could go both ways. You're right that childhood wonder is a real thing that influenced me back then. But it can't just be that because on the other hand I was very into some American tv shows when growing up and I could simply watch them on tv with my family late enough to not miss episodes and there were regular reruns so I didn't feel the need to look up when new seasons would be released so I could illegally download them and not miss episodes. And English is taught everywhere as soon as you start middle school or sometimes even earlier so it made things even easier. Being an ameriboo was basically way easier than being a weaboo, it required less efforts. This also applies to other countries' pop cultures, back then I could effortlessly find Tokio Hotel or Rammstein albums in stores but god forbid I tried to buy L'arc en ciel albums. Even just looking for the songs on youtube was a pain in the ass because they were almost always removed or posters made the songs go faster so they wouldn't be taken down. That shit made me so stubborn back then.
No.8285
There's a podcast I've been slowly catching up on and enjoying where on a certain episode one of the hosts mentioned he went to see Deadpool & Wolverine and the other host went on google cause she wanted to see if people made porn of them. They're clearly normies to some degree cause the conversation shifted to whether women like to watch men have sex like men enjoy lesbians and they're clearly not tuned into fandom culture and fanfic. If it turns out no one else sent a listener email about it in the episodes I'm not caught up on yet I'm pretty tempted to send one in and explain to them what a fujoshi is just for fun. Especially since the dude is also part of another podcast and in a similar situation he got a listener email explaining to him what Absolute Territory is after he made an offhand mention once that he's into the exposed thigh between a stocking and skirt.
No.8290
>>8289My hot take is that "straight" men that want to fuck someone who is virtually indistinguishable from a woman but has a dick ruin BL spaces when we're forced to share them with them.
No.8291
>>8290tbf this looks like an edited pic, he probably does look more male like irl
No.8292
>>8290I agree although to be fair, even the trap shit aside, I don't think men and women have all that in common in bl. I know it's not always but still very often. Women like a bit of intrigue, emotion and interesting interpersonal dynamics. Men like those shitty CG of some roided furry dog sticking his feet into the screen with visible stink lines (or whatever MRM is serving these days). Women write a well-plotted, slow burn 300k word fanfic for some niche ship. Men don't read. We are not the same…
No.8294
>>8289and then trannies like these get offended at the word 'trap' as if their entire thing isn't just "haha tehe oopsie I was a BOY all along ur gay now ahaha!!!" the same way anime traps do
No.8300
Everytime I see "ISN'T HE A MINOR?" I just immediately think internally "yeah, the guy he's fucking is a pedophile got a problem with that?"
No.8301
>>8300Personally prefer the response of "He's not real."
Most yaoi media is romantic escapism, unless the point of the work is to deal with agegap stuff I'm willing to ignore the age gap of the 16 and 20 year old. No one actually shipping the characters should give a fuck.
No.8302
>>8300That reminds me, it amuses me when porn artists have a "All characters are depicted as 18+ regardless of canon" sort of disclaimer in their bio and the character depicted is someone like Shinji ikari. I totally get it, sometimes you gotta cover your ass cause of patreon.
No.8311
>>8300The first thing I always remember when I see this discourse are the Jojo artists that got hate for drawing fucking JJBA characters that look like 35 lmao
NOOOO JOTARO IS A MINOOOOOOR
There were cases where an artist I knew was accused of pedophilia so she added the same disclaimer
>>8302 mentions, about them being "aged-up".
But it will never cease to be funny to me. Like, look at pic related. Look at this guy and now imagine calling someone a pedo for being into him or ship him. LMAO
No.8315
>>8314So Hanachirasu, Lamento, what's first boy from?
No.8317
>>8315Keisuke from Togainu no Chi
No.8322
>>8321Equal representation, amazing..
No.8324
>>8323I accidentally two pictures but that's ok.
No.8325
>>8323What's the name of the series? That's a tragedy, you have my condolances. Nothing worse than losing the only way to read/watch a series that you hold dear.
No.8327
>>8323You can search NU for tips on how to archive it?
https://www.novelupdatesforum.com/forums/novel-general.1020/In the worst case, record the screen and use OCR software to turn it into text.
No.8330
I'm surprised there's so little content with James from Pokemon, like I only managed to find one untranslated doujin with him
https://nhentai.xxx/g/326730/ No.8331
I'm surprised there's so little content with James from Pokemon, like I only managed to find one untranslated doujin with him
https://nhentai.xxx/g/326730/ No.8332
>>8330I thought I had something else but it was just some 90s doujin crossdressing femdom that I had thought was close enough. Yeah it is strange.
Gotta say browsing doujins from that era, I do love the art style of cel era Pokemon.
No.8333
felching goes so fucking hard, especially when there’s multiple dudes jizzing in the bottom’s hole and one of them licks both of their cum out
No.8334
>>8330Team rocket in general are unpopular as fuck in fanworks (granted I’m into the game characters instead of the anime characters)
No.8336
>>8335Actually samefag, but I want to retract the "suffers" statment since I do think rocketshipping is a good ship, I just don't have any interest in reading het. Actually in the middle of a rewatch at the moment since I love Indigo League and you really are starved for him interacting with other characters.
No.8337
>>8327I've checked, and while it looks normal during recording, the recording comes out completely blank save for the usual android navigation buttons at the bottom. The only method without owning a second phone would be to retype it word by word, but even if I had the time and energy to do that it would cost me a good $80 to unlock all the chapters. That's essentially the reason they're shutting down the app, their reviews on the app store are full of people furious with them for the absurd pricing schemes. I was patiently collecting freebie coins and unlocks, sometimes it'd take a few days to save for one short chapter but it was alright because I assumed I had some years to keep on trucking. The novel I wanted to read is about 900 chapters long and 200 chapters were translated. Another novel I was reading there is more popular and people already passed around translations of the full novel so at least that's fine.
>>8325I wouldn't say I hold it too dear, it was good company during hospital trips but I've read better webnovels in its genre since. The title is The Heavenly Idol, or Holy Idol on some sites. If you google it the only results you'll get are a live action which threw out the plot and replaced it with a het romance. There's a webtoon with ugly art that takes liberties with the plot but generally sticks to the original cast, its only translation was Korean > Indonesian > English. I really prefer novels but companies think comics are the only thing that'll sell.
Screencapped a couple twitter users summing it up. I never used Wattpad so I didn't know they posted translations on there, but it seems they kicked them from there to introduce the official app, and now they're trashing the app and all its translations so there's nothing left. What they don't mention is the official app also removed all the illustrations from novels including the covers, and replaced those with stock photo edits that made them look like cheap catalog fodder. Sometime last year I think they replaced a few of the covers with the original art, like they'd given up trying to hide that the Korean novels on there were nerdy or cute.
No.8338
>>8333Fucking agreed. Even better when I see it in the context of NTR. Something about the aggravation of sucking out the product of the humiliation and stolen pleasure buzzes my brain like nothing else.
No.8343
>>8342The only thing I know about it is someone posted it here and apparently the creators don't want people making BL of it.
No.8344
>>8343>the creators don't want people making BL of itWhat a shame
No.8349
>>8347I think a lot of women just like being pampered. Does't appeal to me whatsoever since I prefer being alone when I'm on my period.
No.8350
>>8347My first thought was that they're going to sell this information to third parties as another way to gain revenue from the app.
No.8351
>>8350yea unfortunately this is the world we live in now u.u
No.8352
>>8347>but I always thought the fascination with periods was weird, maybe because I don't get crampsSame. I wonder too if it's because it doesn't affect my mood and well-being that I cannot relate or understand why people bring it in. I just thought about it again recently because I saw another post where a users from my fandom gave my favorite 2D man periods. It doesn't piss me off, I just find it genuinely strange.
Maybe related, but I feel neutral towards periods when I have it but I don't like to see it with others. Maybe it's a bit like with wounds. Lots of people (myself and my father included) don't have an issue seeing their own blood if they hurt themselves but cringe when they see others bleeding.
Now that I think about it you might be right. It's pandering to women that feel bad during their periods so it would be like 2D characters asking me how I feel when I have a cold kek. Can imagine that some would like this, especially if you don't have anybody in real life who helps you if you have fever or something.
No.8356
>>8350I heard that happened with a period tracker app before.
>>8352>>8347I have PMDD and extremely painful black out tier periods. I don't want to be reminded of them at all when doing escapist shit. I generally like anime/manga because I never have to be reminded of it. My symptoms are worse when blood leaves, so I have nightmares where I find blood and I start panicking that the nausea, chills, pain, etc are about to begin. It's just all kinds of gross to me.
I've read some of the dialogue the period tracker in LADS has, and I think if I heard those lines I'd find them super patronizing. I specifically get this weird overwhelming desperation sensation where I need people to shut up and not do anything in my field of vision/hearing when the cramps are bad. Some dude leans in going "ohh babe how are youu feeelling?" and I am going to scream. Making strange noises is way more helpful for the pain than the game's suggestions of "food you want to eat" (though full disclosure, the most helpful noises are more like muttered "abwubwubwub" not screaming).
No.8359
>>8357I don't mind traps or guys who lean feminine, but "force-fem" is absolute shit to me. I similarly find it kind of sexist, but I am not going to start a fight over it.
No.8360
>>8357I used to like forced feminization to a degree when I was younger and crossdressing was a big trend in the late 00's BL but after troons and men appropriated it I can't look at it the same way anymore and now it just makes me uncomfortable to know that some greasy moid is getting off to it. Especially because they take it way too far, instead of a guy being dressed up as a woman in at least a semi-tasteful way it's now just extreme fetish gear that looks either goofy or painful. Back in the day it was more about enhancing the beauty of the bishounen rather than directly tied into some humiliation kink.
No.8361
>>8360isn't that tranny logic, he still dick and balls and so he's still male in the end
No.8362
>>8357I like it in theory more than practice, the majority of the time it's executed terribly/OOC (in context of fanworks, I'm not really into original otokonoko stuff). I agree it's misogynistic, though admittedly I don't care too much unless I see a post about it by a male tranny, which automatically disgusts me.
No.8363
>>8361What in the world are you talking about? Enhancing traditionally feminine features with styling or crossdressing doesn't mean making someone into a woman.
No.8364
>>8357The "forced" part of it makes it lose all appeal to me instantly because that's when it turns into "ohh I'm a man forced to be like a woman, femininity is so shameful oh nooo". Even if I ignored the misogyny there, it's just incredibly unsexy. I like the occasional crossdresser/otokonoko in BL but I like it when they're confident in their presentation or, if they do struggle with it, it's treated as a normal character trait instead of a fetish thing.
No.8365
>>8364I agree entirely. I remember stumbling upon a VN on vndb that has an english title like "Turning the chad who cucked me into my sissy bitch" and judging from the description and screencaps the whole thing felt very male to me. It's the notion of femininity being humiliating and degrading.
No.8367
>>8357I'm of the opinion that everything in that pic can be hot or not depending on the writing
except for lactation in BL, always reads too goofy for meFor forced fem, I like it in the context of being uncomfortable at going against a societal norm, and not because being feminine is "lesser"
Pretty much only written well by women, but as other nonas have said it's been swarmed with men into sissification shit
No.8369
>>8357I usually can't stand it but I admit I recently read a fic where one of my uglycute beefy men was begged to wear a revealing sexy outfit for women for the PoV character and he eventually did it because he's nice but was shy about it and trying to hide his dong and giant man boobs.
But I am not even sure if this is what what you mean since it wasn't really forced, he didn't "behave" like a woman and it was just a fetishizing way of appreciating his basically naked body. I have no trannies in my fandoms because they rarely seem to like muscular or masculine dudes. I guess they cannot relate to men that look and act like men despite claiming to be one lol
I also noticed that trannies mostly seem to stick to children and teenager characters. I rarely ever saw any of them care about adults.
No.8370
>>8369>I also noticed that trannies mostly seem to stick to children and teenager characters. I rarely ever saw any of them care about adults.Yeah pretty much. It's because they project on children due to autopedo/fetish fixation on being lesser than (a child, a woman, an object whatever)
>was shy about it and trying to hide his dong and giant man boobs. >fetishizing way of appreciating his basically naked bodyI love CD-themed fanarts precisely because of this, the embarrassment + manly features being enhanced is A+ BL
No.8371
A skeb request I sent was canceled by management because it 'may' violate their terms, but they won't say why. Thanks, you fucks, that's real helpful. Really makes me want to continue using your platform.
No.8372
>>8357I read a fic about it that leaned heavy into the horror aspect that was actually really well written, so I can get into it now and then. Genderswap BL is also good, I just don’t want to see a guy get his dick cut off.
No.8373
>>8363that's what I mean, even in it's force-fem fantasy, he's still male in the end
No.8374
>>8365>Turning the chad who cucked me into my sissy bitchI read that, it's the unsexiest thing I've ever read, the characters weren't even seriously dating and it was just a hot guy who fell in love with a nerdy girl, her incel crush got jealous and had his friends rape him and then immediately the feminization stuff happened, it just came across as a revenge fantasy from someone whose crush actually dated a hot guy and he still isn't over it
No.8375
>>8370>Yeah pretty much. It's because they project on children due to autopedo/fetish fixation on being lesser than (a child, a woman, an object whatever)Yeah I recently noticed that and it stroke me as odd. I noticed that the most tranny infested discussions are about very young cartoon characters. Trannies are obsessed with projecting themselves onto fictional children. I am not even saying this as a moralfag, I don't really care because otaku sexualize lolis too so it's kinda fucked up but nothing new, but it annoyed me because it made my fandom members feel like imbeciles to me. Can't help but thinking "At least project onto someone half of your age or I'll assume you are clinically retarded".
What you say explains so many things about trannies that I noticed. The obsession with little cute stuff too, as well as the self-inserting into young characters, the obsession with fluff and safe shit even in fiction, the uwufying of "scary" characters and so on. It's like a therapy session for the mentally ill.
No.8378
>>8377I genuinely wonder how many of these exist. I live in a yaoi bubble so I only ever see series with 5000 fujo doujinshi and 3 hetero ones lmao
But you remind me that I wanted to buy a bunch after an event last week! Totally forgot.
No.8380
>>8374tbh I think that man made doujinshi are almost always beyond bad. I wish they weren't. Sometimes I just want to masterbate no matter to what as long as it's 2D (and not kids or furry) and tbh I find tentacle porn hot, regardless of gender. But 99,5% of the male artists absolutely cannot make a decent h-doujinshi. It's almost always the same impossible template poses, the same developments, always way too over-the-top to be hot and there is almost never a proper build-up to get you in the mood so I am not surprised that this VN was the same.
No.8381
>>8365>VNDB it>Artist worked on Mizuyu kei landYeah that tracks.
No.8382
>>8379Truly series for equality. But yeah that's rare. It's funny when male fans aren't aware of the gap though. I am in fandoms were 99% of the fanart and doujinshi are fujo and there are men on /a/ and /co/ that claim their favorite het ship was popular because they have seen 12 fanarts of it (one of the gay ships I am into has easily 20000 and more). They have no ties to the fujo bubble and don't browse on tumblr so they only see the few het things their het artists post and think that was the majority of the fandom.
No.8383
>>8382I remember guys being like this for Yuu and Shiinoa in Owari no Seraph
Gap on that one btw
No.8385
>>8384Funny that you mention it because I wanted to play it and even I forgot about it. Zestiria and Abyss and other Tales of games were so huge it seemed like people were talking about them for half a decade and more.
It's so damn sad when creators or execs are blind to the fujo hype or unwilling to see it and pander to another fandom instead and then you always see the series fade into irrelevancy. Even happens to manga and I experienced it. Some mangaka think "fuck the fujos" or write out the ships or characters they like and double down on the het coomer shit and make the surprised pikachu face when the sales numbers hit rock bottom.
Always cathartic witnessing this, especially if the fujo fandom persists and keeps making fan content for the m/m ships of the same series that nobody else buys or talks about anymore.
No.8390
>>8389>Maybe I will get a few of themI was also planning on buying some when I get my tax returns kek
A couple of them like pic I'd be too embarassed to get because of the thought of someone seeing it in customs kek (not that they'd probably care, land of the free home of the brave is super lax on mail) maybe when I'm actually in Japan I'll pick it up….
>The only thing I liked about the manga version was that monologue of Satoru that turned into that of Yashiro without you noticing until you saw himI like Yashiro's backstory in the manga, the cycle of abuse thing is pretty sad. I like the anime ending better though because you just know Satoru will wait for sensei and be his prison waifu.
No.8391
>>8384>richard and asbelThey had such great development it's crazy, even the tiny fujo tog fandom on tumblr at the time couldn't be without the usual hetshippers who feel like if they don't talk about their shitty forced romance the sky is gonna fall.
I am so glad they barely do official merch with THAT couple, it's mostly asbel/richard and asbel/sophie.
No.8392
>>8382My favorite thing is when they use danbooru numbers to prove het ships get more art lmao
No.8394
>>8384>>8385Nonas I seethe about this so hard you wouldn't believe it. Bamco transferred a new producer from fucking God Eater (which is why Arise just looks like a God Eater reskin) and wanted to get rid of the fandom they had cultivated for 25 years, 90% of the attendees at the annual Tales festival were women, the entire playerbase was female and the series was EVERYWHERE, a cornerstone in the jrpg genre. Tons of merch, doujins, events, the hype was huge. And then with Arise they trashed it all because they wanted a generic dudebro game instead. Of course it sunk into obscurity. Nobody talked about Arise and nobody still does because it's a boring game that got rid of everything that made Tales so popular. I didn't even mind the het couples in Tales games before but in Arise it was so embarrassingly shoehorned and stuffed into your face that the message was loud and clear.
No.8396
>>8392This is what they always do lmao
It further tells you that they were never invested. Men simply don't care much about fandoms the way women do. They go to danbooru because it's easy and takes no time to click through the few pages it has and call it a day whereas women check twitter twice or more a day, check bluesky too as well as pixiv and do that for years until they collected 20k fanarts of their favorite pairing while also drawing and writing them.
>>8394The worst is that they're always drawing the wrong conclusions. Usually that's "it wasn't het enough!" or worse, "we need some more ecchi" when men actually have a gorillion series that directly pander to them including borderline porn games and anime. They have no need for that and probably won't touch Tales of games anyway because they think they're gay and the women aren't loli enough to be attractive to the typical otaku.
No.8397
>>8388>>8389>>8390could you at least spoiler this, like I'm not one to judge but it's not a good look
No.8399
>>8398nta but it's fairly graphic, it's a sensitive subject for some people
No.8400
>>8399That image is squicky, yes, the actual text of the posts is not it's just talking about Erased. If someone is posting graphic descriptions of shota rape or X-rated fanfics, even if they didn't include a picture, that can be reported.
Still waiting to hear back from the admin.
No.8401
>>8398>>8397I actually tried to spoiler tag the second pic when I posted it and for some reason it didn't go through, sorry about that!
No.8403
moralfagging on fujochan?
No.8404
>>8403I wouldn't call it moralfagging to not want to see a shota with a ballgag, but it's an honest mistake and not a big deal.
No.8409
Is making a visual novel about bird idols too silly to be made? I love the premise but far too many VNs in the west take these ideas and poisons the well of irony too much for comfort. I really want to distance myself from the same crowd who thought dating everything was funny.
No.8410
>>8409People could accuse you of trying to copy Hatoful Boyfriends, so you will have to make sure it's different enough. There aren't any idols in Hatoful Boyfriends so focus on this maybe? Or at least avoid the school setting?
No.8412
>>8404Hatoful already has a crowd who takes it seriously so I think the market is there. As long as your game has substance people will enjoy it for what it is and not just an lol so random game.
No.8413
>>8410I think moreso than the school setting you'd have to avoid any post-apocalyptic themes, politics, contagions, or laboratories. Easy enough to do if bird people were always bird people in this world.
No.8419
>>8410>>8412>>8413Funny you mention that. I didn't envision any of the boys as being photoshop'd birds and more human, it's not post-apoc, and the only thing that similar is the lab thing but it wasn't the source of their creation,
some bird goddess was No.8423
I need to keep my autism in check. Half a year ago I got into a new series and three dudes (and two pairings, it's complicated) and I am so busy drawing I barely do anything else in the free time anymore. Already have more than 100 sketches and lots of finished pics. Not even a teen I am 30+ now.
But feels good to finally have a creative passion again but it helps that the characters are hot and so much fun to draw. It probably helps that I mostly draw super detailed mecha otherwise so this feels like kindergarden now and it's cool seeing how quickly I progress even when I draw uncommon poses. I guess being a robo fucker pays off sometimes. Drawing that shit correctly gets you a million EXP.
I wanted to post random WIPs and sketches on bluesky at first but rather only do it once in a while otherwise I would flood the fandom there alone since it isn't as active as twitter.
My curse is that I can only draw when I am obsessed with something and obsessions are rare. The last time I loved a series and its characters enough to draw was 2019.
No.8425
>>8424kek, this is why I am into switching. Can't have both bottom at the same time unless you make it a mob orgy, but can make them bottom at different times to have them moan.
Also fantastic taste, Princess Tutu characters are super cute and good and Fakir is hot.
No.8439
Do I imagine things or did One Piece turn into a fujo series a few years ago?
I swear gay OP stuff regularly makes it onto my timeline in recent times and when I open casual 4chan threads it's gayer than homo threads.
No.8441
>tfw new character appears
>think "wow he's ugly as shit"
>week later: "ugly and shit but kinda elegant, bet he's cool when he fights"
>get obsessed and draw him all day together with his boifrendo
Not sure if based or cursed but at least I have something to do now. Makes me feel like suffering from the stockholm syndrome though, but maybe my brain is just tsundere.
No.8442
>>8439I'm not in the fandom but One Piece has been in my peripherals for more than half of my life. I have never seen hetero ships outta there, not even in the "salty hetfag comes to fujo space to cry about it" kind of way. OP is so shipping agnostic to me that it feels like other fujos are just doing it because of boredom and sunk cost on the scale of decades.
No.8443
>>8442Personally I think that OP has some top tier male designs if you like the uncommon types. The sheer numbers also guarantee that get one for every weird niche and every age you are into and it has, IMO, some good worldbuilding and development. Side characters usually don't just disappear after their arc but return years later. Many come and go multiple times and change in the meantime.
It's like a gigantic sandbox to play in and the fact that Oda doesn't ship rather helps. The ships fujos like are always unconfirmed anyway and if something becomes canon it's usually het. As long as there are good dynamics fujos will ship, and OP is a sausage fest with a billion males.
No.8445
>>8444Looks like okama to me. The west doesn't understand that concept and usually translates them as trans or nonbinary. vndb shows the male symbol for them.
No.8446
>>8444The they/them stuff was a localization choice. Someone made a patch that fixed it and it was controversial on xitter.
No.8447
>>8439It's not new I used to be really into it 16 or so years ago and the fandom has always hewvily skewed fujo. Especially on LiveJournal you were hard pressed to come across people interested in hetero ships. It's funny I could never get into Naruto back in the day, but One Piece has always had top-tier male ships. While I fell off at sometime shortly after the timeskip it's a very nostalgic fandom for me and I'm glad it consistently gets new art.
>>8443Agree, I love how much offscreen character development the world has especially in stuff like cover pages focusing on mini snapshots for characters, for instance Koby and Helmeppo being given training.
No.8448
>>8444>ive been wondering if this non binary bullshit has reached japan Nobody tell this nonna about X-gender…
No.8455
>>8454Depends on what the second pic is supposed to symbolize. If it's feminization (since he's wearing a frilly skirt) then I cannot relate, it if's meant to illustrate the happy/wholesome-to-edgy/deep-fanart then I regularly do this.
I still draw funny shit later in but when I start drawing characters I depict the most obvious things first which are often just the characters being happy or doing something stupid and the more invested I get the deeper I delve into the lore and possible outcomes.
No.8463
>>8462Do you have any experience with "damn there's a lot of yaoi time to get the context from the source material" situations previously? I used to watch it but I was never in the fandom proper–a lot of what I know is just fandom osmosis from being in the fandoms of other western cartoons. The tl;dr is "fun and long-running sandbox with a large but shallow cast" which is fujo catnip. It is a pretty old (10+ years) fandom and therefore there are prevalent fanons that might clash with your interpretation of canon. Also there is a higher ratio than usual of male fans floating around with actual autism that could make the experience more irritating than you'd like.
It's free to watch on youtube, so you don't have much to lose but time.
No.8464
>>8462I watched it briefly a few years ago. I think I only got through the pilots and season 1 of the first series before stopping because I had no more free time. I remember enjoying it and also remembering being disappointed by the fact that Kai x Lloyd weren’t too popular. I liked their whole “reluctant follower” x “reluctant leader” dynamic. I know Kai x Cole is the most popular ship and I have to assume it got more developed in later seasons, because season 1 didn’t have much imo.
Not that Kai x Lloyd had much development from what I remember in season 1, but that volcano episode really sold me on it. No.8465
>>8457I wonder if it's also about how over time someone's fanworks will stray further and further from canon and end up in elaborately detailed merman AU or any number of original AU designs and slowly stop resembling the original character. Or maybe you just start wanting to put your fave in more and more weird elaborate outfits.
No.8466
>>8462Its very much a childrens show so expect stuff that doesn’t quite add up especially in later seasons where characters get changed a lot due to writers running out of ideas. There are fun interactions between them but all get shipbaited with girls later on and jay specifically has a girlfriend. If you don’t mind that though its fine. Do note I watched it when I was a kid myself so the retcons and character changes might be even more jarring through adult eyes.
No.8467
The one good thing about everybody but me and five others being a phone fag is that it's way harder to notice the image quality drop if you upload on twitter or tumblr or basically everywhere.
When I look at my art on my PC it makes me insane. Others might not notice even if they're on the PC but I see those very small changes regarding quality, especially if the colors of the pic are intense.
I fucking hate nuinternet for making everything look so shit but at least it looks perfect when I look at it with my phone.
No.8468
>>8467I'm trying to move off twitter and turns out bsky turns GIFs into the ugliest JPEGs I've ever seen. Goodbye, animated pixel art. I haven't seen what their app looks like, but I'm guessing the humongous blown up view of the shitty JPEGs looks better on a phone screen.
No.8469
>>8468YEAH
Fuck it, man. It's everywhere. Ironically, 4chan and other image shitpost boards are the only ones that leave the original quality as far as I can tell. bsky is better than twitter for jpgs but it WILL also turn your pngs to jpgs if they're bigger than 800px or something and it will always lower the quality of your jpg, albeit significantly less than twitter and tumblr.
It's so annoying how no place bothers about quality anymore. Instagram is technically an image-centered place but it's way worse than twitter and bsky together regarding quality fuck up (and not even talking about the forced square dimensions and everything else).
No.8472
>>8462I thought Ninjago was the name of that ninja anime series for kids that gets so much fanart right now lmao
It's some Lego series? I have never heard of it. I didn't even know Lego series existed. What a weird way to learn about it.
No.8474
>>8469Instagram is an abomination. I deleted my account long ago when I noticed that not only were my photos way worse there than anywhere else regardless of the phone I used to take them, but they had server(?) issues at some point and deleted some of the photos so when I checked my profile I had some vague error message instead of some of the pictures no matter what I tried. I'm glad none of the artists decided to fully and only move to instagram because the few ones I followed posted some of the most disgusting pixelated garbage in there despite the same art looking good on their other social media.
No.8475
>>8474Yeah IG is the worst. I can't even cope with twitter. I checked again and with the phone you really only see it when you double click to make the image huge AND zoom in afterwards but still. I see it clearly with the PC and it annoys me. You work on an artwork for like 15h to get the perfect motif, the perfect colors and everything only so that every website you can upload it to will reduce the quality and add tiny artifacts because it cannot handle colors. All of my reeeeeeeeeeeee
No.8476
>>8472Were you thinking of Nintarou? JP fujos have always loved that.
>>8473It does but the only one I have ever gotten into the fandom scene for was the Lego Movie. Admittedly I think I'm just too old for Ninjago, I tried giving it a shot after seeing a ton of fan art but the series doesn't appeal to me at all. I love that a fandom like it exists, it remi da me a lot of TMNT fujos who care much more about the toyline than the children the creatora are actually targeting.
No.8477
I am usually rather indifferent about the shipping order but I cannot relate with my current fandom where 90% of the fans headcanon it as A/B when A is so obviously dominant and masculine and it's B who is canonically the romantic guy that cuddles and blushes if you take his hand.
Just.. HOW. Why.
I believe it's just because the majority prefers A and most fujos want their fav to bottom but it's one of the rare pairings where I feel like it's ooc. I can enjoy A/B here too, but only as exception and A being the power bottom. It's weird as shit and half of the fandom is of course giving him a "pussy" which doesn't make it easier to accept.
No.8480
Am I obsessed with gap moe or do I just have a fetish for ugly 2D men? Hard to tell.
Sometimes ugliness can be cute, like with pugs and exotic shorthair. It's a bit like that maybe, just with sexuality involved.
No.8481
>>8480Most "ugly" characters are just people too afraid to admit to liking things like pointy noses, beards, or more cartoony proportions, lol. Unless someone is drawing an ugly bastard there is no 2D guy that can't be cute it just turns into gap moe.
No.8491
>>8490Same.
Well maybe he isn't top tier since he's an incompetent anti-social loner that tries and fails to be a good leader but he's perfect for me. But no way to ship, even though he's only surrounded by dudes. I cannot ship without at least a bit of appealing canon dynamic and he's basically the lonely angry ruler type. Cursed.
No.8524
Whenever I see the term 'Unalive' or more rarely 'Sewer slide' it reminds me of when people said 'An hero'
No.8526
>>8525Some people definitely spend way too much time engaging with literal children, but I think part of fandom is having strong interpretations of a work and wanting other people to agree with that opinion. It is frustrating when people ignore your OTP!
I can't relate to pro/anti or that type of social discourse but when people mischaracterize a character or series it's frustrating because you've invested time creating fanworks and it is a slight against you by extension. Or at least that's how I feel. Maybe it's silly but I always interpret writing as both recreational and propaganda, it's fun to write, but you also want people to understand what you see in something.
No.8528
What methods have you tried to kill the part of you that cringes?
No.8531
>>8526Hm I get that a little. I've been upset and complained to friends before, but I more so meant how people talk about shifts in fandom as a whole rather than any particular ship war stuff.
"Fandom used to be XYZ, Fandom now does XYZ." Idk. I feel like things are kinda how you make it. I guess that's still the propaganda, wanting to create more spaces like how you want for more ease of the type of socializing you like… Idk, I think I'm generally less intense about online stuff (which is mostly what I see people discussing), my bitching is is in wanting irl spaces that I like rather than any desired temperament. Forever wishing for an American Comiket lmao. And a lack of that is not really something that can easily be pinned on any type of person.
Idk if I said anything worth while with this reply, justtt scratching my brain lol.. I wish everybody has fun and brushes their teeth! idk hah
No.8532
>>8531Actually, perhaps this is a propaganda of my own! I just wish people would bicker a little less. Perhaps I don't have that true fiery otaku blood in me that desires to fight over these things lmao
No.8535
>>8531If you remember things being better it's just unfortunate if it changes for the worse. Especially for young fujoshi I think it's unfortunate they have to deal with certain attitudes in online fandom that weren't as much as a thing in the past.
No.8536
>>8535Maybe I'm just the luckiest girl in the world!. I deal with a little of bs, but really nothing to complain about, idk!
No.8537
>>8525>>8526It depends on the size of the fandom I think. I never see anything stupid or shitty fanart in the bigger one I am in because there are enough good artists and writers to follow so you ignore he shitty part or aren't even aware of its existence.
It gets harder to ignore in small fandoms and this is where I actually encounter ooc cross-dressing and cuntboys and such because there aren't thousands of active artists. Usually when the fandom is small it also means that you either cannot discuss your series at all if you don't speak Japanese or have to talk to the few handful of western fans it has, even if they draw things you don't like.
No.8538
>>8537I just don't get it and I think I'm okay with that! People do things I can't understand
No.8540
>>8539Hets do the same with female characters. Male coomer art is always exaggerated, distorted shit.
A friend asked me how I knew that the artists in my fandom were female even though all my men have muscles and big noses or beards and it's this.
Women draw them normally and sexy and the proportions are realistic because they like harmony and the character as a whole, including his personality traits and charisma, whereas for most men it's just the trigger that counts. They could as well draw a stick figure with giant cow tits and still fap to it because the body the tits are attached to is basically irrelevant.
No.8541
>>8539This reminds me of that gay bdsm cult where a guy died from getting silicone injected into his genitals.
No.8543
>>8539I never understood this
Aren't gay moids attracted to… men? Why does so much bara give them "womanly" qualities
>Pecs so big they're practically breasts, not unlikely that they lactate too>Slim-thick, tiny waists with curvaceous asses and hips to a Kardashian extent>Often absolutely NO body hair, not even on their legs>If fat instead of muscular, they must be obese to keep the moobs and big buttsThese features aren't inherently female, but they are done in such a creepy "bimbo" way
Some people have gripes about overly feminine ukes, but aside from being short they still clearly read as male without needing a footlong dick bulge to make it apparent
No.8544
>>8543"Bimbo" is a good word for it and that image is clearly fringe fetish material but less exaggerated versions of that bodytype do show up in gay porn, but I don't think they're trying to call to mind women but those roided up muscular men. Look up serial steroid users and you'll see how cartoony they can look.
No.8545
>>8543I LOVE pecs but I am not into female (or fat male) tits. Those two things are different. Even if the man is slightly chubby the shape of pecs is very different from that of a soft tit.
I also dislike the big nipples in that pic. Giant nipples is another female thing IMO, probably even motherly thing. I prefer male nipples to be flat and small.
Many trans artists also draw men with round tits, same problem. That said I can't stand feminine uke either. Hell most modern anime men are women to me. I just want men that vaguely look like men not k-pop idols, girls or sex dolls.
No.8547
I wish people wrote more crossover fics instead of SoL AUs. Like I know crossover fics are apparently not popular, but I’d rather see Harry Potter AUs than coffee shop AUs. I just feel like the author has to think more when it comes to crossover fics than coffee shop AUs which makes it more enjoyable for me to read cause it feels like they at least put some effort into being creative.
No.8548
>>8524The one I see all the time is "sui". Bro is drowning I guess.
>>8531I know what you mean. It annoys me sometimes but I also love reading drama and gossip that never affects me, it's like picking up a magazine and going to my friends "you will never guess what the fuck is apparently happening on twitter now". Some people are starting to do soapbox speeches about how everything is systematically worse and pointing fingers at so many things it sounds like conspiracy theories.
Meanwhile I'm in a small fandom where our annual drama is an outsider showing up and not respecting the fact we ship family members and mob noncon and whatever. It's an almost entirely European server and I kind of wonder if that's part of why it doesn't play the same politics as other fandoms. I joined what to me was a big fandom last year and the American group admins and BNFs are all policing the teeniest hint of dubious consent or age gaps. It's my first time actually encountering this stuff myself so I shit myself every time I mess up around them. The asian side of the fandom is good though, non stop art and videos, especially of the ships that are defacto banned in the west. I've managed to use the English speaking fandom as an outlet for my thoughts on characterization and theories, I just have to restrain myself talking about ships.
>>8539My internet's slow so the way this loaded the head first, paused for a hot second, then started the big reveal…
>>8540This this this. I admit I have such a fetish for "bigness" or growth, and after fantasizing about it I always feel really embarrassed by how blatantly horny it is, but I've never gone for something as discordant as what male artists come out with. I spend ages imagining the guy's body starting from his standard appearance and gradually picturing ways to emphasize and exaggerate him, but it's not THAT kind of shit. How does that even look in motion? The hell. It's like they're only looking at one feature at a time in isolation, they don't imagine the character moving and doing things. I just don't get it.
>>8543>>Pecs so big they're practically breastsNot gonna lie I hate how people spring this on me and accuse me of not liking men in fujo spaces, even that weird shit ain't anything like a woman's tits. The nipples are fucked up though, but they
are exaggerated from what happens to real body builders so I can see where it comes from. Guys are obsessed with rubber traffic cone nipples though.
>>8547I kinda miss Soul Eater and X men AUs. Maybe people can start stealing settings like ORV to put characters in serious peril.
No.8552
>>8539>>8540I'm in a male dominated server and the shit I see posted there isn't too dissimilar to the ways bara artist draw men. Men love extremes, women love nuance. You will never see a woman overinflate the parts she likes because she wants everything to work while men can just slap two huge honkers on a donkey and still get his jollies off. Ofc not every man or woman is the same, a few might lean towards some extremes but not the degree of some guys I know. Sorry if I'm reintegrating your points but this is something I noticed between both male and female artist do all the time you can't really unsee it. I sure can't now.
No.8563
>>8490Weiss is right there with Dark Handjob! I also vaguely remember reading a fic where shade Tyrann popped out of Kaine and fucked him (because her feelings leak into his). There's also always the guy who he canonically fucked for money.
How strange it is that there is a canon homo with feelings for him (Emil) but I would never, ever seek it out.
No.8564
>>8552>You will never see a woman overinflateSpeak for yourself nonna.
No.8567
>>8563All right, fair enough. Your mind is a lot more creative than mine cause all I was thinking is that he's hyperfocused on his sister(and genocide) and the only guy his age that came to mind is interested in a woman.
No.8570
>>8564You mean hyperbolize small stuff? Or something else?
No.8572
Is mouthwashing any good?
It seems to be everywhere. Is there homo in it? Is it enough homo to carry a game? Is the story good, regardless of if homo?
I've looked at the steam page. It looks bleak as hell.
No.8573
>>8572I'd recommend it, two of the characters have a very interesting and unhinged relationship. But even ignoring the homo it's an interesting experience. It's a pretty short game too, 1 hour of gameplay tops, so you don't really have much to lose.
No.8574
>>8572It's not actually BL, but the fandom sort of exploded because fans (I think specifically JP?) were drawing toxic yaoi and that upset westerners, as it tends to do, and fujos pushed back really, really hard and then it became a storm of the two MCs.
Popularity only boosted by being a low poly indie horror game which is free food for youtubers with predominantly underage viewers.
No.8575
Been seeing a lot of general discourse and pushback against male lolicons going very viral recently. That in itself isn't a big deal to me, I have plenty of gripes with that crowd myself, but it does make me wonder where I should stand as a female shotacon. I've never had any issues being a normal functioning member of society and it goes without saying that I've never looked at kids like that, but all this recent friction is weighing on my mind a bit. My sincere opinion has always been that I trust women when it comes to separating reality from fiction a lot more than I trust men, but that's not really a common position outside of more radical crowds. Normies are still going to consider me an irredimable danger to society for having middle schooler x adult ships. I suppose I could just ignore it all and move on with my life, that's what I usually do, but I can't help but worry sometimes, especially since I do feel like there's been a lot more eyes on this sort of stuff recently because of the nature of social media and I worry it could end up having serious consequences in the future. I don't want to end up in trouble for liking suggestive len kagamine pics on twitter, y'know. Perhaps I'm just overthinking this.
No.8577
Does anyone just not have any social media accounts? I'm curious about what the experience is like. Lately I've been getting sick of the discourse I'm seeing on social media. I use tumblr and twitter, primarily, but I've tried out most popular social media sites. It's all the same pro/anti wars or gendie fanart. I don't get any enjoyment from my account anymore except for the few artist I follow. I'm thinking of deleting and bookmarking the artist I like and just checking in periodically.
No.8578
>>8577I have never actively used social media since I'm just not a social person. I use sites like Danbooru so my only experience is getting on Twitter to browse artist galleries.I just don't even know what I'd post, I'm too boring to blog on tumblr and I'm not even sure what a non-celeb is supposed to to do on Twitter with such a limited wordcount.
>I'm curious about what the experience is like.Like I said recently I've been using Danbooru a lot to archive and sort fan art. I also use YouTube to listen to Audiobooks and video essays. Trying to get back into manga since I've been neglecting that for several years.
No.8579
>>8575I get it. I saw an artist I follow on twitter retweeting art of crossdressing Ciel in underwear, gagged and teary eyed and I thought it was pretty ballsy to just openly retweet that.
No.8580
>>8577I only use twitter for fanart but don't see trans stuff or pro/anti bullshit. Most of the ppl I follow are Japanese though, maybe because of that.
The only thing I casually see is Japanese calling a gay fanart of theirs "yuri" even though the dudes keep their canon designs with beards and are clearly still male. Sometimes a Japanese fic might also contain female descriptions of the anus, but that's it.
Never used anything but twitter and tumblr (which I left) and never posted anything but my own fanart. I don't like blogging and I am not interested in other people's lives either.
No.8581
>>8548>but I also love reading drama and gossip that never affects meYup, I enjoy that myself a little too, I'm not totally against it, but I hate it when it get's too serious. It rarely ever is. People have been catastrophize about fandom going to shit since the beginning, I doubt anythings going to completely demolishing what is just at its base, people enjoying things in a group
No.8582
>>8577Most people who don't have social media are usually just forum goers or turbo normies who don't understand the internet.
No.8584
The internet makes me feel so bad. Not in that I'm constantly seeing bad things, but in that it feels everything I do is wrong/morally incorrect.
Saw a tweet about how only those that new a person personally should grieve them and that it feel disingenuous, and even they ""grieved wrong"".
I came across it while listening to a new album for a band that lost a member recently and fuck did it really fucking sour my mood. Fuck, now even my base line emotions are wrong, now talking to those that also feel hurt by it is wrong. Fuck.
It's just you see little bits and things like this everyday, suddenly some part of you is wrong. And I think it's best to always be growing but there has to be some kind of consistency or else you turn unstable. How can you exist when you can see every micro trait of your existence being deemed wrong, or a trait of a sick society, or mental illness
Idk, it's just such a touchy subject. I never did any corny posting a celebs face or anything, I cried painfully and tweeted amongst my friends. But somehow this pain is the trait of a sick society or something, incorrect.
And yes you can block people, but I had to see it to block it as it was retweeted by someone who I generally can feel ok following. That's the issue with twitter, no matter now many people you block and stay of the fyp you will endlessly be hit with so many conflicting opinions on how to be a human you will become schizophrenic. I hate the internet
No.8585
>>8584I know the feeling you mean, but for me it was about my nationality. I had to mute artists I was following, make sure I never put my country on any profiles, stop talking to people about real life things and food, private my twitter. I've gotten comfortable in chat groups now and then and discussed anime releases here, the price of items, food I saw in the supermarket. In the past month alone I regretted it at least three times because someone new turned up and immediately started repeating the usual shitty ""joke"" catchphrases. There was one who did total mental gymnastics to prove what I was saying wrong, because they mistook a food from another country (called by its name in another language), for food from my country. The fucking dictionary and wikipedia exist, asshole. The one before that I told them my country had nothing to do with a business after a certain date and the thing they were offended by came from Texas, and someone popped up to make some cartoonishly outdated stereotype insult about my country, which everyone else laughed at. I asked what they meant by it. Three times. Nobody would answer me.
Anyway the worst was sometime around covid when no matter what was happening I felt like everyone was telling me to die and stop existing because of the country I was born in and can't leave. Nothing I did would ever be considered right because I was inherently wrong for living. The food I eat, no matter its origin, is not real food and should not be eaten let alone enjoyed. I should stop eating. I don't deserve to eat because I food wrong. You can't eat this due to allergy? That's because you have pathetic shit taste and wouldn't know what edible food is. All women in your country look like dogs. Your language sounds like dying cows. Why are you all so ugly? All women in your country look like dogs. Why can't you fix your faces? The only thing you know how to do is steal and rape. All women in your country look like dogs. You have no history or culture of your own, it's all stolen. All women in your country look like dogs. Etcetera, etcetera.
I think what upsets me the most is that nobody sees anything wrong with doing this. It's the morally right thing to say, or it's "just a joke" and I should "learn to take a joke". They repeat these jokes so often in places where it's barely relevant. The name of my country will be mentioned and the replies will be full of insults about the faces of women. But it's okay, because we deserve it. We should die.
You can probably guess what country I'm from after reading this, but I'm not going to name it because if I do you'll just agree with them and then tell me I'm "taking it too seriously" because it's "just a joke".
No.8593
>>8584This is an unironically toxic mentality and I hate it too. Emotions of compassion are never bad don't let shizos delude you.
I can't stand the whole high horse morale debate bullshit that's usually coming from cozzed white, rich US Americans. Same with "cultural appropriation". That shit is only brought up by people that claim to be a mix of 56 ethnicities because some blood test or rumor said that an ancestor from 300 years ago was from China or something.
What I saw some years ago that made me mad was people attacking nice commenters for calling an artist "talented" because HURR calling someone "talented" ignores that they had to work hard to get there and you're implying they were born as perfect artist, get it, shitlord?
It's so fucking dumb and rude. I am an artist myself, I would never be offended about this.
This shit only discourages fans from giving nice comments and in the end everybody will whine again because they don't get any comments anymore. GUESS WHY
>>8585I always love it when US Americans, members of one of the most violent, imperialist, racist countries to ever exist, keep making fun of or being scared of people from other nations as if Iran or Chile would be able ever do the same damage their own damn governments regularly caused in a single year. And yeah add to that the blatant absence of common knowledge that makes them mix up Russia with Italy and Spain with Algeria.
I tend to do the same with the US whenever someone does it and say something blatantly wrong about their states and enjoy the meltdown. You don't reduce other people to "Asian" or "European" as if it was a small single country and then bitch when I mix up some Texan shit with Californian shit.
No.8594
>>8585Laughing about foreign dishes is THE ultimate proof that you're dealing with low-IQ plebeian monkeys. It's the typical redneck idiot reaction to consider everything they're not used crazy even if it's just garlic or seafood since they live off the same two dishes throughout their life and refuse to taste anything else.
>I think what upsets me the most is that nobody sees anything wrong with doing thisI feel you. But just because many are acting like this doesn't mean it's what everybody thinks let alone that it is right. There are simply many imbeciles around, especially on the net. And most food plebs are from one or two certain countries. The same people that claim I would die because I am eating raw minced pork meat or raw fish because their own standards for food control are shit and they would be too afraid to taste new things anyway.
I stopped talking to a coworker after I overheard her saying that she hadn't eaten anything but salad and french fries for two months when she was in Hong Kong because "waaah Asian food". The food alone makes it worthwhile to go there and then there are people like this.
If it helps, Chinese-, Japanese- and Korean food is very mainstream in my country. I was sure that sushi would never be a success here because we weren't used to fish but a few years later there were like 100 sushi shops in my city alone. After that the hype for Chinese food began and now we have a bunch of Chinese supermarkets that expand every year because people actually want it and Chinese cuisine is incredibly varied.
No.8595
>>8585>Anyway the worst was sometime around covid when no matter what was happening I felt like everyone was telling me to die and stop existing because of the country I was born in and can't leave. Nothing I did would ever be considered right because I was inherently wrong for living.I actually don't know where you're from but I thought you were Russian until the last part. Which reminds me though, I've had a lot of russian friends get dogpiled simply for existing in the country as if it's inherently your fault being born there and that no russian should have any sympathy or be treated like a person. It was pretty bad during the virtue signaling of russia/ukraine war but everyone's too busy retweeting palestinian child gore daily to care.
>find decent fic artist>linked twitter in bio>expecting to see some fanart rts or something related to the ships they write>fucking nothing but palestine grift posts RTd 24/7>think that MAYBE it was once or twice>no, their entire feed is literally just palestine gore and grift RTsAnd this is surprisingly far too common
No.8596
>>8595this but it's also trans drama or trump
I just wanted to follow someone with the same kink as me.
Even if you just want to browse their page, you have to go through at least 50 posts of decimated children and then they'll retweet something like AoT porn.
It's so weird.
I don't know why they can't use a political account.
Why do you have child gore and PLEASE DO NOT CLICK AWAY SEND MONEY followed literally by lolisho?
No.8597
>>8596It's because it's a terrible platmor not designed for art, on a site like Deviantart that shit was on a seperate journal tab so you'd have to go out of your way to see the artists politics. Even non-art-focused sites like livejournal gave you tags so you could filter through 10 pages of cooking photos to find the fan content, Twitter is just an unsorted garbage heap.
No.8600
>>8599How good are original M/M novels these days? I was into checking out these books many years ago (goodreads had huge compiled lists) but found many of them were surprisingly worse quality than fics, or at least just on par. Has it gotten better?
No.8601
>>8575I get where some of the anxiety is coming from. I've been into shota since I was a kids basically, stopped caring a bit in my late teens, and now I'm back into it. Now that I'm an adult I get such anxiety about coming off as a pedo somehow even though I literally talk to no one about it, and the only relevant items I have are regular manga that are shota bait-y that I've had, again, since I was a kid, so if no ones close has said anything in a decade I don't know why they would now lol. But alas, you really never know when the thought constricted general public will bite your head off for nothing based off their feelings rather than any actual harms
No.8602
>>8600NTA but I still think most of them aren't mind blowing enough to recommend if somebody is already on a steady diet of good fanfiction. Song of Achilles, which is pretty much also a fanfic, was the "popular" one somewhat recently (it was published in like 2010 but I think booktwt/tok bumped it) and I would call it just okay compared to other ~100k fanfics I've read over the years.
That being said, I and anybody else agreeing should examine our biases. Being a fujo for so long has spoiled/warped me in the following way: it is REALLY hard for original M/M fiction to compete against "something I already loved + a solid fanfic with my OTP". I'd argue that Song of Achilles only did so well because so many people were already aware of and shipping Achilles and Patroclus thanks to The Iliad being prevalent in western schools and pop culture (especially with Hades the game roping tons of people into Greek mythology around that time).
No.8603
>>8602Also a lot of original m/m fiction has lgbt themes more often than themes you’ll see in yaoi or fanfic. So a lot of them are either coming-of-age stories or brokeback mountainish. And I personally enjoy these types of stories but it’s not for every fujo.
No.8604
>>8603>lgbt themesThat's true. I suspect that's why a lot of the adult ones I've read have downer/"real" endings.
No.8610
>>8609Maybe they didn't find any new pairing to scratch the itch of that dynamic. Old man x twink android is pretty specific. The heart imprints on what it imprints on I guess.
Could also be new artists getting in very late to an already dead fandom.
Badly written canons are also crack for fandom survivability because when there's redeeming pieces in a garbage heap, people will spend more time on fixing it.
No.8611
>>8609I have an IRL friend that’s into DBH and she gets me reinterested in it every so often despite my gripes with the writing. And like
>>8610 said, shitty writing is key to people wanting to fix things.
No.8612
>>8611>>8610I don't go here but this reminds me of how I sometimes can just accept that something has bad writing and I get enjoyment out of it anyway. Youtube constantly recommends me video essays on why Hazbin hotel and Helluva boss are bad and I totally get it but I just don't mind. It's probably cause my expectations were never high to begin with, unlike when a piece of media is a sequel or part of some franchise where I expect better.
No.8614
>>8613Tbh maybe I'm old fashioned, but I liked it better when people would vouch for what they liked as masterpieces instead of seeing it as a project they can fix.
I miss when the center of attention when it came to nerdshit was autistically combing through the story and lore rather than how someone could fix shitty characters with their own vision and make au about them owning a coffee shop.
Nowadays most of the time the only reason why people discuss plot is to convince someone a ship is real or to explain how a character is a trans allegory.
No.8616
>>8614I don't see that post as "fixing" the work, but more or less saying it isn't a masterpiece and has unexplored angles that can be expanded on.
If a story is 10/10 it can't be improved with fanfics and has wrapped everything up neatly, with something like Hazbin the characters and world are interesting and compelling. It's fun to play woth even if the source material isn't high art.
No.8617
>>8614I mean you have to consider the following that:
>Many people in fandom were kids or teens who were blind to the faults in a series because it was new to them (Naruto, HP, hell, any anime back then)>We're getting more poorly written rushed scripts and buggy unfinished games than ever. Everything seems to have less room to breathe, including anime where you now mostly get 12 or 11 episodes instead of 24 and directing and animation quality have taken serious hits, just compare any modern remake to the original.>Before Ao3, the (mostly male) canon purist side of fandom was more mixed together with the transformative side. Were you disappointed by the ending to your canon? Did you not like a certain character's plot? You might get flamed for criticizing the author.>People entering fandoms without actually having consumed the canon are depressingly common.It's true that indepth discussion is harder to find now, though, but it's probably a consequence of Tumblr dying. Video essays might have taken its place unironically.
No.8618
>>8616This. If someone saw a show they liked as masterpiece with no flaws, Why make fan content besides the bottom of the fotm pin up art? I love fans who expand the world and it's characters through fanfiction and discussion instead letting the show rot once it's said and down. Countless media has made me sit down and think what if this happened because it's written in such a way to allow what ifs to occur. If it's too boring or middle of the road than I might reconsider my interest in it.
No.8620
>>8618>Why make fan content besides the bottom of the fotm pin up art?Because you genuinely just like it and want to appreciate it? That being said, I also dislike the stagnation with 20-50 year old old fandoms that end up mutating into nothing but fanfiction, excusing trying anything new with "well nothing good is being made anymore."
No.8621
>>8619That design looks like it's more suited to kids than adults imo, but there are some cute plus size lolitas and other jfashion wearers out there.
No.8623
>>8621>That design looks like it's more suited to kids than adults imoThis is the problem I have. The only affordable clothing I can buy leaves me looking like a sexless child because I'm flat and short.
No.8624
>>8610I would say that even though Bill Tench x Holden Ford wasn't the exact same dynamic as Hank x Connor that maybe Mindhunter could help them with having another show to cling, but then I remembered Fincher cancelled It and the last season aired in 2019.
No.8625
>>8623Also flatchan but I can't relate to your struggle because I dress like a kawaii granny by choice, the 'sexiest' I get is occasional miniskirt. I'm not sure what you mean by affordable clothing, though. If your aim is to look mature or sexy then that's going to be hard with your body type, but it's not like low-cut tops or shorts are any more pricey than more covering ones.
In the case of the Sylveon dress specifically, it looks kid-ish because of how cheap the printed material looks, actually. That plus the actual print. For some reason I think a more stylized chibi Sylveon would fit jfash aesthetic more than pasted official art.
No.8626
It's such a great feeling when you get an art commission back and the artist praises your OC and ship. Of all the expensive hobbies I've had it's my favourite.
No.8631
>>8630That is pretty tasteful, would take me a second to register it as Pokemon related. Personally don't wear dresses myself but it's a cool design.
No.8634
>>8628My biggest pet peev is when the author has written something like a victorian age fanfic but the topic of homophobia doesn't come up once, I don't need it to be a central theme, but it takes me out if characters from the time period don't grapple with it a little.
Related but more in the realm of published works, I get annoyed with JP original yaoi which features priests and similarly doesn't address the topic of homosexuality. Like I get Japan just likes to use our religion as an aesthetic, but it's really weird when the taboo-ness is solely centered around a holy/evil dynamic and not an internal struggle.
No.8635
>>8628>>8634Personally, I'm just so tired of homophobia being used as a plot device like the couple having to hide their relationship because they're gay or the other one being in denial of their feelings because oh no he's a man because it's just simply a predictable trope that happens way too much out in the real life. Yeah, it's realistic, but there are only so many stories you can tell with that theme before it gets repetitive or voyeuristic in a torture-porn sense. It's a different story when the story is specifically meant to address homophobia but if I just want to read about two characters and their relationship I'd rather ignore that facet of life.
No.8637
>>8636Pretty sure that's a ragebaiting man wearing the only generic fujoship he knows as a disguise, especially with the femboy obsession with no other fujo stuff posted on that account.
No.8638
>>8637Most likely, I've seen a few men into certain fujo ships as long as it involves some form of crossdressing
No.8639
>>8636>>8638There's a specific subset of right-leaning, terminally online bisexual males that are into BL only if it involves traps/shotas, I'm betting that user fits into this category.
No.8640
>>8637Same happens in my fandom. At least one guy keeps shitposting about "fujos losing" and fujos raging and seething because the femboy of the series is confirmed to be het even though literally all shipping fanart people are posting on 4chan or sharing on twitter is about the other men and boys because fujos aren't into femboys.
Yet he keeps posting that shit into every fucking thread, claiming that fujos were SEETHING and that every chapter with a het scenes was rubbing it in when no fucking fujo even gives a shit about the trap.
The fact that some of these otaku are THAT obsessed with this shit to a point at which they fighting a war against an imaginary fanbase that doesn't even exists shows very well how damn insecure they are.
Fujos are actually posting raunchy shipping fanart of the dudes they are into in the same threads this guy is posting in and yet he pretends he didn't see and keeps claiming fujos were all into the femboy and seething. GAWD.
You can tell these people are "literally trembling" in front of their keyboards.
No.8641
>>8640>femboy of the series is confirmed to be hetfate?
No.8642
>>8641No, I can't really say it since the fandom is small and I want to hide who I am lel but I have experienced this in other fandoms I am not part of as as well. Someone will always claim that hets had won a war that never existed in the first place. Either because fujos aren't into the series to begin with or because they're into different ships that were never deconfirmed or maybe even got a bunch of canon hints.
It reminds how weird it was when I recently entered a Space Battleship Yamato thread on /a/ of all things and the first reply I saw was someone claiming the fujos were SEETHING about the addition of female characters that destroyed their ships.
Maybe I am wrong and missed it, but were there ever fujos into SBY of all things? I like the series, but never watched it with yaoi goggles or felt like there was any pandering, neither in the remake nor the original. Though I was very young when I watched the latter.
No.8643
>>8639Oh yeah, I've met my fair share of those types. They either want to fuck the shota femboy trap or be one themselves so they barge into fujo spaces thinking anyone wants their greasy asses there and start gooning over Bridget and Astolfo while everyone else is talking about their ships, then get their feelings hurt when nobody enables and coddles their fetishes. At this point they become the nazi with an anime profile picture type or troon out. Or both.
No.8644
>>8642>It reminds how weird it was when I recently entered a Space Battleship Yamato thread on /a/ of all things and the first reply I saw was someone claiming the fujos were SEETHING about the addition of female characters that destroyed their ships.This archetype is such a male cope. I've been a fujo since the mid 2000's and I've never seen this legendary "fujos hating a female character because she gets in the way of their ships" trope in action. The girls who always REALLY had it out for characters like Sakura, Aerith or Relena was because they were crushing on the male character themselves and saw these girls as their personal rivals. Fujos never gave a shit, they just shipped the boys as they pleased canon be damned. The hate they have for female characters is way more related to their writing in general and position as just a piece of protagonist arm candy rather than a well-rounded character.
No.8645
>>8644>The hate they have for female characters is way more related to their writing in general and position as just a piece of protagonist arm candy rather than a well-rounded character.Yeah but this is way too nuanced to be understandable for the average terminally-online otaku. It's just funny how they are obsessed with winning an imaginary war against fujos that doesn't even exist. The dudes fujos are into are almost always characters men don't give a shit about.
There are only two types of men the usual male manga/anime fan cares about: 1.) the MC because they generally self-insert as long as he isn't too much of a chad or cool. 2.) femboys because they want to fuck them, chances are very high that that you are dealing with a mentally ill incel here.
Thing is fujos are basically never into the latter and at least for my fandoms rarely into the first unless the series is fujo to begin with (which means that said male fans don't post about it).
No.8646
>>8639>>8643Oh god this. I hate how they're in every fandom with a femboy character and I hate how they believe to be "TOTALLY GAY" or fujo.
They are the annoying male equivalent of annoying TIFs just in right-wing. They want to be gay because it's so quirky to them and they feel special for it but can only gay if the dude is literally a drawn anime girl with dick that you never see and can therefore ignore.
I also believe that they are usually trannies or close to troon out. Their obsession with femboys always has this vibe of self-insertion, same as with straight shota fags. I just know that every one of these 4channers has a twitter profile with anime girl avatar and I can just feel that they must be the cringest people in earth IRL.
No.8649
I'm not gonna quote anybody but I'm starting to realize why I don't seem to like trapshit but love men with feminine traits. It's because traps are like legal loli crap with all the trappings of school girl fetishism. Whereas with simply feminine men, they come off as more mature that it doesn't feel pedo-y. Moids seem to seethe over them. They take characters like cloud or link and turn them into femboys to gain control again. Once a guy crossdress in modern media, it's over for him and I hate it.
No.8650
>>8649Yeah judging by /a/ I am pretty damn sure trapfags are the same people as lolifags and they often coom to both in the same thread.
That said I also can't stand traps (or at least otaku pandering traps) because they often pander to tradwife purity fags if they aren't boderline loli like some trap shota. See the S;G dude whose whole personality is the devote domestic waifu that wants to serve "MC-sama" so that otaku can coom and scream "why are men the better women uuuuooooohh"
No.8651
>>8650Why would a guy want a femboy as a tradwife?
No.8652
>>8649It's absolutely a legal loli loophole, there's a reason why they're into the traps that look like little girls and not adult crossdressers.
>>8651NTA but the ultimate terminally online, misogynist bisexual male fantasy is to have a broodmare wife barefoot and pregnant serving him while he fucks another man begging for his cock who looks like a woman but can't be "tarnished by feminism" because they're on the same team.
No.8654
>>8653That first kind is the only kind I'm interested in, a character internally worried about social standing or personal pre-held beliefs but deciding to perserve because of love. External violence feels a bit too cartoony/mean in most cases and only works if your story is set in like 80s urban environments.
>>8635I get that, and if it's a contemporary work I don't need it addressed. A character with a canon love interest can just say they're BI and it won't take me out. It's really just historical works where I'm taken out. It is fiction, so if your suspension if disbelief is there that's just an even wider pool of stories to fish from.
No.8655
I don't read a lot of fic but I remember being hooked on a trend of Victorian England settings where men communicated by letters they signed with women's names and then a tragedy is reported so one comes in person to see the other and the servants find out the truth; or the kind where they retire to the parlor after dinner and something happens, but only ever in secrecy by the light of a kerosene lamp, but they're making eyes and faces at various social dos like there's an inside joke between them. There's some fun tension in that and it's easy to make jokes out of people assuming they're straight. I just hope these weren't shut down by people demanding that asian media isn't forced into western settings.
>femboy talk
Did anyone see that anon absolutely lose his shit over the word femboy like it was some social justice attempt to erase his trap porn collection? He was treating it like femboy was a politically correct term and he was being forced to conform to it. I can't tell if he was allergic to being reminded they're boys or if mentioning any gendering (feminine or boy) offended him. Same thread had an idiot trying to define trap by the new twitter explanation of how it's accusing trans people of crime. Honestly I hate all this fighting where they redefine a word they don't like just to give a reason to dislike it.
No.8656
>>8655>femboyyeah, it's funny because the word is literally a porn category word, like shemale, and in some ways even more unfortunate cause I see it associated with younger guys and daddy-dom stuff, it's funny how I even see gendies memeing about it, shows their complete lack of self awareness
No.8658
>>8657I genuinely believe that fandom got inundated with people who actually just want to write/draw het but also want the brownie points of doing m/m.
No.8660
>>8655Femboy's are woke now? This is news to me kek. Next they'll tell me feminist are corrupting the femboys into trooning out.
No.8661
>>8657I know people are reeing about trannies when this topic comes up but to me the actual core reason seems to correlate with the huge surge in homophobia AND misogyny globally. People bend out of shape to heterofy their m/m ships so that men and pickmes won't harass them for evil woke faggot yaoi ew so it has to be palatable for them but also because some of the artists harbor genuine disgust for gay people and don't want to write/draw them.
No.8662
>>8659The 14-year olds who played it in 2020 are now adults and realized that the sexy "minor-coded" anime cookie man didn't stop being sexy the morning they turned 18 so they had to shut up.
No.8663
>>8657Don't see the use in calling other people porn sick when you're going out of your way to look at gay porn!
No.8664
>>8653I like this, too. I do think the second one can get a bit overdone, it depends a lot on how it's written, and how the setting works. Too much often borders on trauma porn, but in exchange, a little usually does a lot.
For example, in Mary Renault's 'The Charioteer', a young man ends up contemplating that his comforting a boy would be read in a different (predatory) light if people knew he was gay. This builds setting, context, and gives us more depth around why the gays in the story feel excluded from parts of common society.
On the other hand, there was this one BBC(?) drama where a gay dude was shown as being lynched and hung. The story wasn't about him being gay, but it did feel really egregious and as if it was milking it to make people feel bad. That sucked. Fuck that noise.
No.8665
>>8664>On the other hand, there was this one BBC(?) drama where a gay dude was shown as being lynched and hung. The story wasn't about him being gay, but it did feel really egregious and as if it was milking it to make people feel bad. That sucked. Fuck that noise.I totally get it. I feel that way when people try to tell me how the rape in goblin slayer is totally justified to show how evil the goblins are.
No.8666
>>8664>>8665Yeah this is how I feel about a lot of violent homophobia being used as a pitybaiting plot device, the Goblin Slayer rape stuff is a good comparison and so is all the gratuitous rape in media like Game of Thrones because "that's just how it was back in the day!". Yeah and people stank like animals because bathing was a luxury but you don't need to go into detail describing it unless you have a very suspicious fixation on it.
No.8668
>>8659Same, I'm dumbstruck by how good the fan art is for this game. Tried playing it because of the fandom but it was meh.
No.8669
>>8662>14 year olds in 2020 became 18 in 2024no…………………………………………….
No.8670
>>8657>>8658>>8661real reason is genuinely that most fujos are lesbians and some of them simply prefer to look at pussy/it's easier to draw. 5 out of 4 chinese fujos I've been friends with are lesbians and they either do cuntboy occasionally (not permanently, it's not a trans hc like the west) because they like pussy or draw lots of yuri genderbend, or refer to characters as girls.
They still draw cock in ass but it's not like they are strangers to drawing pussy.
No.8671
>>8670Being a lesbian and preferring pussy in fictional characters but still approaching it as BL baffles me even more.
No.8672
>>8670>mostlol no, more like a vocal minority.
No.8673
>>8670>most fujos are lesbians This is a dumb psyop. It's the opposite imo the explanation isn't that complex, most people in fandom are straight and want to see PIV in their "yaoi" because they find that type of sex hot. If they were drawing scissoring that'd be one thing but they're not.
No.8674
>>8670I'm a lesbian fujo and this theory makes absolutely no sense. The only people I've seen draw cuntboys obsessively have been straight women/FTMs who want to self insert into the bottom.
No.8675
What do you do when a fellow fujo you are only loosely online friends with posts an excerpt from her fic and it's a small chat room so she expects you to comment but the fic is just really bad? Like, elementary school tier bad.
I am not an ass so I don't want to say anything bad but I cannot really lie either. If it was a good friend I would explain my thoughts on this and have friends that do the same with me, but if it's someone you're not very close to it feels shitty.
What do you do in such cases? Ghosting? Try to find the one thing that sounds good on paper and praise that and hope they won't ask about the rest?
No.8676
>>8675I struggle with a similar issue but instead of fics it's art. I just try to be as nice about it but a bit dismissive in order not to give her false hope. Don't give her any insincere praise either, maybe a very slight suggestion for improvement but not in an unsolicited criticism kind of way. Unless she actually asks for legitimate constructive criticism of course. If she doesn't get the message and keeps spamming you with her stuff that's never improving then yeah just ghost her.
No.8677
>>8661Yeah. Seriously it's no surprise that it's particularly US Americans, Chinese and people from other homophobic and/or religious countries that tend to be obsessed with feminization. What annoys me just as much as the physical change is the personality change that comes with it because we know women just cannot be funny, daring and arrogant or prone to anger outbursts so if your favorite man is like that too bad, he will be an insecure maiden now or a devote geisha even if he canonically has the personality of fucking Kamina.
No.8678
>>8666Goblin Slayer was just a shock "don't watch that!" factor first episode to prop up the slice of life dnd campaign style of the rest of the show.
No.8679
>>8677Yeah I've definitely noticed this too. They take everything NOT ladylike and tradwifey away from the character while making him into a woman which alone speaks volumes of their intentions.
No.8680
>>8675tell her its bad but using better words
"its interesting but it may come off as X because you didn't do Y" or "I think it has potential, if you do Y next time it will look better"
No.8681
>>8675If it's a chat with multiple people not just a DM I'd wait for someone else to comment instead. If it's been a day and they haven't I'd comment on the general concept "Nice ship" or "Interesting plot idea" and then maybe a sentence of constructive criticism, "Fyi you have a few typos" or "just so you know you forgot to capitalize his name in this sentence."
Don't be mean, but also don't give false praise. This person probably knows their story isn't great and is looking for honest feedback.
No.8682
>>8675Ask if she's looking for critique. Most creators want to get better, so unless she's also one of those BNFs who got big off of quantity and not quality she's probably looking for that.
No.8683
>>8676Same here. Friends with someone who is just quite bad at drawing and incapable of growing out of her Simpsons/Family Guy phase so she draws anime characters with the body types and faces from these on top of just not being very good at it and you can probably imagine how sexy it looks.
In the past I circumvented the issue by retweeting her art sometimes to advertise it, but then she started complaining about the lack of engagement on twitter and I think that's just a really bad attempt of resolving this. After the first time nobody but the same two friends retweeted her stuff anymore but she keeps drawing and complaining but never tries to get better so I did what you say and eventually stopped talking to her.
I feel a bit bad about it, but it's not like fans retweeted my own fics and art because I paid them to do so. They retweet because I put a lot of work into my shit and spend days working on it to make it as good as I possibly can and leave my comfort zone to improve and try new things. It pays off and I feel like some of the hate is directed towards me for getting more RTs when I never even cared about it, I just want to make things I consider good and maybe inspire other fujos in our fandom.
No.8684
>>8683>incapable of growing out of her Simpsons/Family Guy phase so she draws anime characters with the body types and faces I don't understand how someone can be that self-unaware and not expect little engagement with this art style.
No.8685
>>8670We have a sexuality thread and most posts state heterosexual or bisexual. I like pussy and I can like cuntboy but it's not a replacement for M/M.
No.8686
>>8685NTA but using the sexuality thread here as a source isn't really that significant considering that probably less than 20 people post here overall compared to large scale fandoms out there
No.8687
>>8684Yeah this and the twitter hate are what made me lose patience. Especially with a fanbase like ours that is 90% Japanese. Can you blame Japanese for preferring anime styles? Hell can you blame people for preferring art styles that look closer to the actual canon one?
Tbh I don't even like the anime-fied fanart for South Park and I am a fan of anime and not much into the art style of the cartoon. But if I browse South Park fanart I want it to look similar to South Park. Even more so with the fanart for a pretty anime having the good-looking anime artstyle.
No.8688
>>8686It's more representative than declaring all fujos to be lesbians because all of your friends are.
No.8690
>>8683This is what happened to me too, someone I know is really stuck on this extremely cartoony style, hasn't really progressed past teenage years in skill nor substance matter and on top of it her aesthetics and tastes are the polar opposite of mine. It's threading a thin line trying to say something nice but not insincere, even if I ignore the art she won't catch on and I constantly feel bad about it because I don't want to hurt her feelings.
No.8692
>>8690I feel like the abilities to draw and to come up with funny or interesting motifs are connected. I noticed that the, let's call them non-progressing artists are always also quite uncreative with the motifs. I ignore bad art if the content of the artwork is good, but it never happens with these people.
Most of the time they just draw the same characters standing there isolated, usually smiling. No dynamics with other characters and no canon relevant content or conveying of the character's mental issues or traits. At best they just swap their clothes and replace the canon sense of fashion with a more boring one.
Feel the same, since I knew some of these people personally. I wish they were successful. It wouldn't make me feel better too. And not reblogging someone's art isn't such a big thing if others do it.
No.8693
>>8670at this point the only way to avoid PIV of male characters would be to straight up show their cocks on screen. grim
No.8694
>>8692This nails an artist I follow. I don't follow her for her art, but fandom friendship.
Her art is quite frankly, bad. But it's just this. Characters standing, smiling, isolated or dressed in something basic and boring. They get passive aggressive about lack of engagement, but they don't do anything for it.
Pic related is something that could have been done better for accuracy's sake, but it doesn't need to be because it's a meme image that I think is extremely funny.
They don't do meme redraws, comics, Draw your fave like this, nothing whatsoever that's actually something I want to look at. And I don't mean that as ugly or not. I mean, it's got no value as something to put any stock into except "wow that's bad." and scroll.
No.8695
>>8693Just filter out the tag, people complain so much but on Ao3 it's incredibly easy to avoid even without a third party blacklist script.
No.8696
>>8695Until they don't tag. Which they do not.
See Jayvick. Look at 3 results on any platform with every non-vag related tag blocked and still, someone's got a pussy. I saw Leon S Kennedy with a pussy retweeted with just the image from a popular artist. Retweeted by a Chinese artist that I follow for completely irrelevant fandom art.
You could say, unfollow them. But then I might as well not follow anyone because I can't predict who's in on the pussy train.
Or surprise vagina when/if reading M/M which for all labels is m/m. I've even seen random man pussy on m/f.
No.8697
>>8696I don't use twitter, so I'm not going to comment on that, but I have only once ever been surprised by untagged cuntboy on Ao3 and then just muted the user.
I guess I just am tired of hearing about the same five complaints when it's something I don't deal with. Which makes me bias, but there is only so many things you can say about tranny shit before it gets repetitive.
No.8699
>>8698I asked someone for a tag one time and they said they didn't want to.
And that was that. Being polite and asking is never a solution, just quitting anything remotely popular is.
If it's niche like some ancient Inuyasha shippers you've got a chance. But you're screwed if you want anything current or has been drawn by the US and China
No.8700
>>8696And it’s not only untangled vagina/PiV. Finding a fic tagged as m/m, relationship, and fluff only to see the words xe/xim when referring to one of the guys was not on my 2025 bingo card. I have literally every canonical tag you could imagine filtered to get rid of trans stuff and somehow it still slips through because the author didn’t tag it or used some really obscure tag. The nonbinary stuff is really bad if you like shapeshifting characters, especially the more obscure ones.
No.8701
>>8700Which character got xe/xim-ed? Venom?
No.8702
>>8700I noticed that in the last year, there's been an steep increase in every fandom I've gotten into that's popular with the North American audience.
I love a good longfic with sex in between and the first thing I noticed in 2024 was that while I could filter out Trans Deku and get some decent works in between, people just stopped caring.
I hopped from multiple series of multiple age groups, and it just kept becoming more and more prevalent. The more recent the interest the more I see. But if niche like, say, an obscure JRPG from 98 with like 10 fans, everything's good.
FFXIV used to be easy to deal with. Filter out racial tags, self insertion and be specific with character tags.
Until this just stopped mattering completely.
No.8705
>>8697Ngl I feel the same way. I don't read fanfic though, I just use Twitter and blocked/muted/unfollowed those I didnt like. The worst I get is just sfw genderbends and crossdressing, the trans/cuntboy stuff being a good chunk of conversation gets tiresome when I don't see it.
That being said, algorithms really have a choke hold. I've heard if you let one pass through, it'll spread on your feed like a wild fire.
No.8706
>>8705It's going to increase unless you mute the word on this site.
Just because it doesn't happen in your fandom doesn't erase it happening in the biggest out there. Which means, more and more and more people see it than you will
No.8707
>>8703retro fe yaoi is actually just joever
No.8709
>>8705Yeah I've lately been trying to not be as negative when I'm on fujochan cause otherwise it really is just going to be the same few conversations over and over again. I don't read much fanfic these days cause I usually spend my time watching anime and playing videogames but I've been thinking I should look through Tales of Vesperia fics cause it's an older game that I played recently through steam that hands you a childhood friends to rivals ship on a silver platter so I imagine there's some good shit in that fandom.
No.8710
>>8700Not as weird but my fave got they/them'd untagged in a M/M fic. There isn't even anything GNC about him. He's just a bit weird so everyone always headcanons him as autistic and I guess that also means he must be nonbinary because… reasons.
Was annoying because there's barely anything readable in my ship tag and the summary looked good.
No.8711
>>8658>fandom got inundated with people who actually just want to write/draw hetNot only het but canon het.
Lately fandom got a subset of people who try to say that any ship outside of canon shouldn't be "validated" and people should feel discouraged from shipping anything non-canon.
But as usual the ones saying this are the same people who demand everyone ship their het ship or else they’re misogynistic
No.8719
Sometimes I wonder if my interest in man-animal hybrids is god's way of punishing me. I hate furfags but I find people who rarely go further than vampires to be cowards. I want some centaur yoai goddamn it.
No.8725
>>8720>HuskyNice taste. Agree mermen are super underrated and I am facinated by romance centered around monster x human where some factor is keeping the two seperate. Mermen's built in Land vs. Water makes for a mice complex romance.
No.8727
>>8703This is exactly the character I was thinking of too and one of my friends started this trend 10 years ago. Game came out in 1990 and is one of the least popular with western fans…smfh. Still, being a
real FE fan is cursed. No matter what you like it was a rarepair even in its heyday and now what little is left is switch and mobile game tourists.
>>8709I wanted to get into this when it was new because Yuri/Flynn was so popular and still think about checking it out sometimes. Even guys acknowledged it. I hope you find a lot of good content, nona.
>>8720I love mermen. And androids and dryads. There are so many good underutilized creatures.
No.8729
>>8726It's like K-Pop shipping for the deranged kek
>>8728We must be on the same wavelength right now. I've been trying to stop those kind of posts from popping up by blocking accounts, but I think Instagram sees me clicking it as an indicator of being interested in it, so it just gives me more.
If you check the accounts posting anti content, it might show you who's following said accounts, so you can block those people too for causing said posts to appear on your feed.
But it's a lot of people to sift through.
No.8730
>>8727>dryadsAren't they usually female in myth unless going against that is fine? I always thought about a bl story between a human man/satyr and his nymph lover just because it really does me in. Idk I like masc/fem couplings too much to really give up kek.
No.8731
>>8730I'm not that anon but yeah I'd say you can just do whatever you want if you feel like it. There's a character in yokai gakkou who's a male yuki onna.
No.8732
>>8731I'm asking since there's this weird double standard where's it's okay to turn a oni into an anime girl but turning a nymph into a pretty boy is sacrilege. Like, none of these creatures are real but it feels like moving nudge from the myth is too much for people. In the end it doesn't matter but it's always something I think about sometimes.
No.8733
>>8731yuki bronna…
>>8732There's this artist I follow who I don't particularly love but they regularly turn Disney princesses into femboys and get a lot of positive engagement over it. I think you just gotta ignore haters and wait for the people who actually like that kind of stuff to find you.
No.8734
>>8733I forgot her name but wasn't she the one who did that merboy comic on tapas? Personally her art style's nice but the subjects were always odd to me.
No.8735
>>8732I do find it a bit boring when people do more genderbends of mythology just because it's more popular/well known instead of using more interesting ones that you see less often. Like male yuki onna and male fairytale princes. Why not use some male fairytale heroes or pull out some more obscure youkai?
I'm also tired of male historical figures being genderbent into otome protags (Birushana is a big slap in the face as a Benkei/Yoshitsune fan)
I don't even get why it's necessary when there are so many interesting queens, empresses, and female warriors to choose from in history. (Or just… make your own character instead of making RPF.)
No.8736
>>8726I don't understand the appeal of RPF as a whole, period.
I ship because I like characters personalities, and to imagine shit about them regarding their existing canon.
What can I think about a real person? They're just boring every day people. And in the back of my head, it simply feels wrong. I'm the type to get super autistic over my favs, interpretations and all, but with a real person I don't know what am I supposed to get attached to.
No.8737
>>8733Ripushko? Unless there’s another artist out there turning Disney princesses into femboys.
No.8738
>>8736>>8735I morally object to rpf inbolving living people be they popstars or politicians. It just feels like a massive invasion of privacy and you only get to see a brief "public" view of them so it doesn't feel shippable. But when it comes to historical figures they might as well be fictional characters.
No.8739
>>8729Thanks for the advice, I'll try doing that next time. IDK what's with the algorithm lately, I'll either have days where every other reel is someone reeing about how yaoi oppresses men or I won't see any BL-realted content at all… It's so weird.
No.8740
I can't stop thinking of my current ship and want both the uke and seme covered in cum
No.8741
>>8738>>8736I understand that opinion, I find it more disturbing that she's shipping these incredibly butt ugly men, this feels even worse than shipping monsters and old men
No.8745
>>8735Not anymore boring than taking a traditionally ugly male creature and turning into a human girl with fangs. And the closet to a male yuki onna in myth is literally an old man. An old man. Are japanese joseimuke creators werid for taking their myths and their doing their own spin on them? I respect the take but at end of the day they don't exist.
No.8748
So busy sweating in pvp games that I haven’t touched yaoi in months may the fujo godesses forgive me, i have ranked matches to play.
No.8750
Whelp I'm gonna make my monsterboy book a reality. Any ideas?
No.8751
>>8750Fucked up human/monster relationships or are you aiming fluffy? Regardless I think it'd be cool if the monster boy struggled with everyday human things on account of weird anatomy.
No.8752
>>8751A cursed mix of both kek.
No.8753
>>8747Lobotomy Corporation and Library of Ruina aren't mobile games, and Netzach doesn't even show up in Limbus Company (the actual mobile game.)
Limbus also has its own self contained storyline and characters, so you can enjoy the non-mobile installments and not feel like you're missing something.
Imo LobCorp is best for yaoi (though Ruina has some cute couples in it) but fair warning it's a difficult real time management sim. But it's not gacha!
No.8755
>>8753Oh, actually didn't realize only Limbus was mobile, thank you for the heads up! I think I'll give LobCorp a try then being non-Gacha is a selling point.
No.8756
I'm so curious about the minds of people who just imagedump on /cm/ and don't bother saying anything. Surely there's no need to do that anymore when everything's centralized on Twitter and there are better archival/Cloud service sites to save the art in another place? It's not like filling out the captcha and waiting a minute to post is that efficient.
No.8757
>>8756I was in the Metaphor thread there before the one here kicked off. It was on/off discussion which was mega disappointing because I was so excited to have finished the game but no one was actually talking about it.
I think the low traffic in itself is a deterrent. You can have a discussion thread on cm, y or even aco but I just see most fujos sitting firm on a, co and vg.
No.8758
>>8756Conversation feels discouraged on both /cm/ and /c/ they just aren't convo threads and when I used to still visit the site I was told to just go to /a/.
No.8765
>>8756As someone who does that a lot, I'm shy. And also, most /cm/ threads are usually you and maybe one other anon if lucky willing to discuss topics with you. Otherwise, you'd just be talking to yourself.
It depends on the thread too also. There are threads that have discussion going on obviously, but not all of them
No.8767
>>8749No lol my aim is too shit to play shooters. I play a stupid game called identity v.
No.8770
>>8767I used to play that with my friends in high school, love the art direction. Who do you main?
No.8771
>>8768Oh my god the wu chang discourse was single handedly spearheaded by illiterate and uncultured people like they were seriously claiming it was an incest ship bc they were sworn brothers i.e. the most commonly used euphemism for gay lovers in chinese media. The anti hunter x survivor ships people were also insufferable like wdym joscarl is toxic bc hunters are abusive towards survivors, THEY ARE BOTH SERIAL KILLERS, there is no good person here. It’s so funny how they immediately vanished into the ether the moment identity switch was revealed and anyone could be a hunter or survivor. But really, the only way to play the game is completely ignore the fandom, turn off in game chats and only play with friends you know.
>>8769I would never recommend anyone to pick up the game lol, it’s insufferable. Just enjoy the pretty fanart.
>>8770Despite being a fujo, none of the men click with me besides andrew and I don’t feel the need to ship him. Not even just not clicking, i actively despise characters like norton and luca because of their fans. i stick to female characters besides that. I play mary, galatea, grace, vera, fiona and demi. Who did you play?
No.8772
>>8771Perfumer and Mechanic but I was very shit at the latter kek. And damn, I like Norton design-wise (I don't know anything about the lore honestly) but yeah his fans seem annoying as fuck. I never involved myself in IDV communities but I'd hear about that and the Joscarl stuff all the time from my mutuals who played. One of them was infamous enough to get shat on in the global chat and livestreams which was funny.
No.8773
>>8772Tracy is so cute! And yeah she’s tough to play. The twinky male characters, especially the ones released early, have the worst fans in the world. So bad it turned to genuine disgust on my part. I just don’t want to interact with those people ever, can’t repent to the fujo gods by drawing vidya yaoi for this one lol. And besides the fans, most of the men in the lore don’t really inspire me with their story in a way that I would care to ship them. Most ships are crack ships anyway and I’m the type of person who at least needs canon interactions to jump off of.
No.8774
>>8773Mobile games seem to attract the worst people. A lot of the IDV players I've seen were on the younger end, as in, actual 13 year olds, so that's not surprising. Embalmer seemed to have the most cancerous ones by far (I also wanted to main him but found his gameplay boring). But really, you should consider not being invested in a ship a blessing, since you won't have to force yourself to converse with others about that shit lol. And good luck on ranked.
No.8776
I don't wanna talk about lc too much but does anyone find the ump thread hit or miss. It really capsulated how I feel with society pushing ugly men as the pros of sex appeal but nonnas' take on good looking men feels like a mix bag. You have skellie Nonnas having melties over men slightly buff id center then you have the trolls, and the few sane women who just wants a man who meets the bare minimum. Somehow this makes them psy op'd? Idk what to make of it man. I might get raked through the coals for liking certain body types and feeling kinda underwhelmed with skellie builds.
No.8778
>>8776There's way too many moralfags and judgemental anons on /ot/ and /m/, lots of stupid infights in the ump thread too
No.8779
>>8777Honestly some of the men I like often have features that feel a bit uncovnential like thick eye brows, side cuts, freckles and prominent noses. It feels appealing in a good way that's kinda lost when every guy is just copy paste ikemen Twink. Btw, the ump is short for ugly man psyop. Sorry I didn't go with that kek. I assumed some Nonna's have familiarity given the overlap.
>>8778The "don't bat for ugly men rule" is equally retarded. I was debating with myself if should say he isn't as bad as he looks without ten thousand moralfags wanting to kill me. I just don't get it. Am I just too weird for that thread? I have taste that piss off moids but I also have taste that piss off bishe skelliefags. The only place where I feel welcomed is here because plenty of nonnas like a good variety of men, to a lesser degree myself.
No.8781
>>8779No, you're right, and I can relate because the guys I like tend to be a bit unpopular. I usually prefer megane guys who look mature rather than super slim, bishie types that could pass for girls. But at the end of the day, I think that’s just a loud minority, plenty of women irl would disagree with them.
No.8783
>>8781>I usually prefer megane guys who look mature rather than super slimArgh men in glasses are my weakness.
>But at the end of the day, I think that’s just a loud minorityIt seems like since the ideal body thread literally has plenty of bodies that would be considered "roidpig" by these people. I honestly don't see it. It's not like these people are bald, fat or ugly. They're twunk or ottermode kek at best.
No.8787
>>8776I haven't check on it in ages because it felt like it was devolving into constant infighting (let's face it, lc in general has just devolved into infighting), but I agree it's hit or miss often. Like I agree that Hollywood has been pushing the ugliest fucks imaginable as "teen" heartthrobs in recent years, but it starts to lose meaning when nonnas bring in abstract cartoon characters like Hazbin Hotel characters.
No.8788
>>8787Does that actually happen? I mean, it might make sense given the tumblr sexyman epidemic but most of the newer threads are mainly taking about video games and tv/movies?
No.8789
>>8788I haven’t been there for awhile but yeah it was brought up in reference to tumblr sexyman and the claims that vivziepop characters contributed to the ugly man psyop. It was a stupid argument and I’m pretty sure I and at least one other nonna said it was stupid.
No.8790
>>8776>Somehow this makes them psy op'd? IPeople on lc end up gathering far more schizophrenia than the average sharty or 4chanschizo thinking that acting just as retarded as the 'moids' they hate will make them seem better.
They will hate everything for the sake of hating because they believe every aspect of their thoughts and lives are controlled by men even when the men don't give a flying fuck
No.8791
i like pretty boys because that's just what i like. growing up on anime and kpop helped.
but besides that, the good thing about liking twink types, or just lithe men with vaguely effeminate features, is that men for some reason get extremely insecure and mad over it, way more than when you like bigger scrotes with very masculine faces and beards/fat and whatever. im not gonna "expand my horizons" firstly because i cant, and secondly because i dont want to appease to male insecurity
No.8792
>>8791samefagging but while i get pleasure in making men feel bad and it just spurs my natural attraction towards my preferences more, i dont think women who like other kinds of guys are brainwashed, neither do i think that men control every aspect of women's lives.
however, i do think there are some women who are a little too lenient on scrotes, and pick-mes who will defend ugly men (and men in general) with their lives, even when they don't truly prefer a specific aesthetic just to seem "cool" are a sad reality, luckily more and more rare. not that every woman with quirky preferences is like that of course.
and, while men dont control women nearly to the same extent some lc women believe, lots of men *do wish* they could, and act accordingly.
No.8793
>>8791>not gonna "expand my horizons" firstly because i cantI feel this in my soul. I can't get out of that twink to bearish hunk spectrum I made for myself no matter how much body pos slop gets shoved in my mouth.
No.8796
I like to lurk on both the jp and eng side of a manga fandom I'm in. It's interesting to observe because I've noticed that the majority of fanartists in the jp side is mostly full of fujoshis and the english side is a mix of them and battle shounen fanboys. There are currently two heroines who have interacted with the main protag. Which the eng side took notice and start shipping, but aside from some declarations it's actually very hard to find fanart of the het ships on twitter and it's practically non existent in the jp side - even taking into account by lurking in pixiv and other websites.
Meanwhile, all the jp fujos only shipped the protag with his male relationships and keeps passing him around to the point it will make a harem mc blush by the sheer greed of it kek. Can't really blame them though the doujins that came out of it were really hot.
No.8798
>Join the discord of a nsfw cute guy artist
>There's separate channels for NSFW art with dicks and pussies instead of shoving both in the same space
Thank the lord. I wish this was standard on every discord with a nsfw art section.
No.8799
>>8798Isn't that just common sense? I'm in a few where all the porn tags are separate.
No.8800
>>8799It's the first time I've encountered a server doing it like that, unfortunately.
No.8801
>>8740This but I want them both covered in each other's piss
No.8805
Any ships that are too intense for you even an edgy shipper?
for me:
>Gendo x Shinji (nuff said)
>Batjokes (What he did to Jason was just too far even for me…)
No.8806
>>8805>Gendou/ShinjiI think one-sided Gendou/Shinji would be fucked up but good, like Shinji trying everything to seek approval but being incredibly self-destructive about it. I'd also just like more Gendou works in general though and would take anything.
>BatjokesI have tried so many iterations of it but have never found a satisfactory work that seemed to keep both of them in character. In some series like BTAS I do think there is an interesting dynamic that seems plausible for a long-term relationship but in like all fanworks Joker has a sudden "redemption" arc woth no build up or Batman is made way too black instead of morally grey. Batman/Riddler specifically Riddler's Reform or Arkhamverse is my preference since I do think Edward has the potential to redeem himself in most iterations and it can span a long period of time.
Anyway blabbering aside my picks would be…
>Kira × JosukeNot enough canon interaction to be anything besides rape porn. Jotaro and Rohan both have potential for more interesting works with him.
>Harry/VoldemortWhile there ARE interesting thinks that can be done with this, especially during Chamber of Secrets I have found that most of the works are just Harry getting captured and beaten with no real plot. I feel like most of the elements explored in the dynamic could be captured with Harry/Draco or Harry/Snape and have a bit more substance.
No.8807
>>8806>like Shinji trying everything to seek approval but being incredibly self-destructive about it.For a really fucked up fic I think it could be interesting, but thinking about them shipping wise just makes me depressed kek.
>Batman/Riddler specifically Riddler's Reform or Arkhamverse is my preference since I do think Edward has the potential to redeem himself in most iterations and it can span a long period of time. I'm a basic bitch who got into them shipwise when the movie came out kek. I'm mainly into brudick for ships with Bruce but they're pretty damn cute.
>Harry/VoldemortNever read the books and fully watched the movies, but I like some of fanart where he's Tom Riddle with Harry.
No.8808
>>8807>I'm a basic bitch who got into them shipwise when the movie came out kek. I'm mainly into brudick for ships with Bruce but they're pretty damn cute. No need to be ashamed, I was payched when that movie came out since even though it's a different take on him the fanworks for the ship have quadrupled since then and it boosted other versions of the ship too.
>BrudickNice! I mainly ship Dick with the other Robins but I can appreciate a good Brudick story especially set early on when he's just moved into the manor.
No.8809
>>8805I can't get into dadson of any kind even though I'm down for brother x brother whether it's adult brothers or something like toxic shota twincest.
No.8810
>>8809Is it the age gap or do you just hate the inherent fsther/son power dynamic? I kike it but the moment the dad is on top that second thing squicks me.
No.8811
>>8805Everything that is my favorite character being mischaracterized as a rapist abuser if the character isn't that way at all. Vague as fuck I know but it instantly irks me to see a crackship with them and not my OTP.
I'm also the same with asshole rapist oniichan/father, even though I like incest. But most of the incest I like is the younger topping for that reason. The young can be as aggresive as possible but never the old one.
Also adult/shota with the adult being written as a creepy pedo.
I've probably lost my edge over the years but as I keep getting older I'm more squeamish over that. I've never liked people pedofying characters though.
No.8812
>>8811>But most of the incest I like is the younger topping for that reasonNot really a dadson person the vast majority of the time, but I've had friends into it who almost always prefer the son to top. It's interesting I'll say that.
>Also adult/shota with the adult being written as a creepy pedo.Hahaha I like this one, it's pretty funny.
No.8813
>>8805I can't get into dadson or anything older than that (like grandfather shit). I'm fine with uncle/nephew so it's the parental aspect that I find icky I guess.
No.8814
>>8810To some extent it's the age gap and power dynamic. I guess dadson feels too 'real' for me? I'm into true crime so I tend to associate that sort of dynamic with real life crimes and it makes me uncomfortable while general brother x brother and shota twincest feels more unrealistic. This is why age gap can be hit or miss for as well but I guess if the younger one initiates it becomes way less realistic.
No.8816
>>8815Yes, it didn't bother me as much especially since the MC referred to his dad by his name too. Wouldn't really say my distaste for the dynamic follows a logical train of thought tbhdesu.
No.8817
>>8816>Wouldn't really say my distaste for the dynamic follows a logical train of thought tbhdesuNah I get what you meant, I was just curious.
No.8819
>>8818>in my circle there was a big overlap between anime and kpop fansNTA this was what my circle was like too, if you were into Maplestory in 2012 being into kpop and anime was basically a rite of passage.
No.8822
>>8791Same, pretty much. I like bishie face but I also like (cut) muscles and it's always treated as an either or thing. Other masculine traits turn me off except for beards but they have to be trim and classy.
>>8805I couldn't believe it was a ship but Theon and that guy who cut his dick off. I'm a ryona-chan and I wouldn't wish an entire season of getting tortured and broken like that on any of my guys.
No.8823
I used to want for things I liked to become popular, but after seeing so many of my favorite series get remakes, I kind of wish they hadn’t. The new fans that come in because of the remakes are often obnoxious, barely understand the show or its characters and only care for surface level stuff. I know having a niche or unpopular favorite can feel lonely, but that just makes it even more special when you find someone who truly appreciates it like you do.
No.8824
>>8822>I couldn't believe it was a ship but Theon and that guy who cut his dick off.Completely forgot about that ship, I feel like it's mainly born out of character proximity ~~or people really into pet play~~. Ramsey is so cartoonishly evil compared to the rest of the cast it's bordering on comical, but ignoring that he has nobody else to ship with since all the other characters he meaningfully interacts with are women. I think it's telling that almost all fics that aren't just his dogs raping Theon are modern AUs. Though Theon is a awful human in his own right who sold out the Starks and even when they try to give him moments to shine later in never feels earned so I can't say I feel bad for him. Haha
No.8825
>>8824>Ramsey is so cartoonishly evil compared to the rest of the cast it's bordering on comicalYeah but somewhat his evil nature felt realistic? like, a genuine psychopath with no sense of empathy, like those in horror movies, I’ve never found a character as disturbing as I found him.
No.8826
>>8823That's the paradox. Want something to be popular, thing gets popular, brings in new wave of people who clearly don't know fandom etiquette, then get mad by the old guard for being "problematic", and drive them out. I'm not the biggest fan of gatekeeping but somedays I wished we grew a spine and told people to fuck off.
No.8827
>>8825Yeah I get it. Often on the spectrum of villianess you have the well-written understandable villians who may or may not be misunderstood, and then you have the over the top terrible people with no positive qualities. Normally the latter type are Disney villian-esque campy. Ramsey is over the top without any of the charm on top of being shallowly written compared to Roose, Tywin, ect. It's just sadistic, not premier ship material. I do think if GoT later seasons were better written he could have worked as a better foil to John Snow instead of Theon though since they
had a bastard connection.
No.8831
>>8823>that just makes it even more special when you find someone who truly appreciates it like you do.Reading this just made me more aware of my hundreds of fandoms where I never found anyone. I mean sure, for a few of those people were out there and I could have reached out to them on social media, but like your post is talking about, it's not enough to just both like the same series. You need similar attitudes to fandom and a similar interpretation of canon to connect with one another, otherwise it's as good as not having anyone. I do a lot of yelling into the void on image boards because I feel I have a better chance of fleeting connection than elsewhere. It's mostly pointless but it does save you misstepping around a fandom you don't gel with.
No.8833
>>8831Man, sometimes I wished I had the spark to be part of fandom. Finding others with the same interest as you're own is the dream but it also comes with it's own issues the more niche you go. Combined with me just consuming content, I don't know where to go off tbh. It's weird because I've watched all these shows and movies but without that initial spark, I'm left awkward scrolling online looking at fanart and feeling nothing. Maybe I'm just depressed kek.
No.8847
Which board would be the best for an "IRL Yaoi proportions" thread?
No.8848
>>8847if it has 3D guys, it's for the RPS board.
No.8855
>>8833Nta but I'm the same. I like stuff but it's all surface level for me, I can take it or leave it and I'm just here to see guys fuck in some capacity. I still think of getting involved in fandom just for the socializing though. I miss being younger when I could power through essays on some random superwholock plot details because I actually cared. I can't give a shit now.
No.8866
>hatefollow an artist that draws my NOTP
>always have the suspicion they're a yume for the top character because they absolutely never say anything about the bottom at all other than being (tops) object of affection
>doesn't even refer to the characters with names sometimes, just "the seme" and "the uke"
>always draws the uke as girly as possible but whines and cries and shits itself when they see the seme genderbent
>constantly thirstpost for the seme
>yesterday they finally randomly tweeted "oh the struggles of being a (top) yumejoshi"
I fucking knew it
No.8867
>>8866I hate these kinds of people and always feel an autistic amount of resentment at them. Being a fujo should be about being invested in two developed characters, not fantasizing about fucking either one of them while completely sidelining the other.
No.8868
>>8860I see a lot of them insist he isn’t one because of this, but shota has always been a body type not a personality or age thing.
No.8870
>>8867Same, this is a japanese artist so this is actually behavior that I've been noticing a little bit more from those who are VERY strict with their top/bottom preferences and who they push the most. If the bottom is pretty much neglected in all kinds of conversations I'm sure it's a yume. And if the bottom is the center of everything and exaggerated in importance, it's likely a self-inserter.
This would probably go better on the self-insert hate thread but I feel like this every time I see someone into my NOTP
No.8872
>>8866These people irk me too, I was going to post in the vent thread about it. I don't understand why they don't just go full yume or at least do mob x character art if the other half of the ship is that negligible to them. It has to be a clout thing.
No.8874
Have you ever been embarrassed to like a ship/fandom? When Undertale was really big I was too ashamed to admit to liking it even though it was mega popular and there was literally no reason to pretend to hate it. Now it's 4AM and I'm still in the mood for fontcest.