No.6883
>>6882No, that's a good resolution. YouTube and tiktok slop is designed to make you waste time meaninglessly. Cutting it out will only benefit your life.
No.6884
>>6882>too tired lately to watch animeThis happened to me a few years ago. Part of it was depression, but even after dealing with the depression, I still haven't been able to really get back into watching anime like I used to. I think a part of it was just growing up and realizing a bunch of anime coming out isn't what I want to watch.
>Does that sound crazy or pretentious?Nah. And you don't even have to wait until New Years to start. I've cut out tiktok and youtube from my life and while I do have relapses, I'm super productive when I don't have the apps or a tab open for them.
No.6885
>>6884I also had a rut where I didn't watch anime for like 3 or 4 years. I broke out of it just this year simply because I found fun people to talk to who aren't fake weebs and I no longer bother with popular shit. I just focus on watching my backlog at my own comfortable pace and only pick up 1 or 2 seasonals if the plot actually interests me.
No.6886
I used to put all my anime on a USB stick before bed then the next day when I got home I'd watch everything from the day before on my TV. Only after that would I get on the PC. Now I wake up so late in the day I go out and do my shit, come home, go on the PC until it's too late again. The cycle never ends.
No.6887
>>6882If you think it will work for you you may as well try it. I like to put a video essay/podcast/story narration on my second monitor when I'm doing something in an MMO that doesn't require my full attention but I can definitely see it being a waste when you watch that sort of stuff on its own.
No.6897
The weirdest things about yume to me isn't the self-shipping but that everytime I look into one of their husbando/OC fics it's like a whole own setting with no similarities to anything resembling canon save for one character who got transplanted into that story to play the role of the lover and share the name of the canon character.
I could understand the appeal if they shipped a female canon character with their fav or at least an OC that fits into the setting but no. Maybe it's just coincidence that the few yume stories in my fandoms are like this? Like one of the series is historical and the yume stories are full-fantasy and the husbando somehow non-human(??), another series IS a fantasy but THERE the yume stories are mainly pseudo-historic court drama wtf
I wonder if such people are just failed writers that try to get an audience by renaming their male OC with the name of some semi-popular manga character and use that as excuse to add the title of the series as tag to attract a wider audience.
No.6898
>>6897This isn't yume specific I feel the exact same ewsy everytime I see a modern AU or a no magic AU. The characters might share the same names but it is not the same ship.
Not that I haven't seen AUs with clever adapatations, it's just frequently fanfiction in name only.
No.6899
>>6898God do I absolutely detest modern AUs/no magic AUs as well, especially if theres omegaverse tacked on top of it cause at that point its just an oc story with preexisting characters crammed in it.
the main driving factor I get from ships in unnatural worlds is how they got together in their current setting and how they persevered through it if its a drama/tragedy. Modern AUs rip all the tension and melodramatics in order to transform it into some bland, safe universe where none of the stakes are prevalent just so the ship is alive and happy. Its so boring I just dont get it
No.6903
>>6902I don't use it but I did hear about it from the older ladies on tumblr. It seems fine enough but I have no reason to post there myself over AO3, I guess I'd make an account if a writer I like post there, but there doesn't even seem to be any works in my main fandom posted so. It's cute to have a place that does use cooperate speak
No.6904
>>6903I do think it's nice to have more fanfic archives, it's just that it was advertised as a fanfic archive for antis for a while because they have a bad tos that really should be updated to be more professional. Apparently it used to be even worse than it is now. I do think the "vs" relationship tags (not as a category though) is nice to have for easy search/exclusion of bashing/salt fics though.
No.6906
>>6897>the yume stories are mainly pseudo-historic court drama wtfI never watched it myself cause I don't care but I've seen het-enjoying women going wild over Bridgerton so I can only assume it's related to that.
No.6910
>>6897>save for one character who got transplanted into that story to play the role of the lover and share the name of the canon characterYeah, and even when they have a het ship it's blatantly self insert character with the girl that is meant to be relatable self insert.
It's funny because when one of those self-inserts ends in a very fujo series they get mad when she eventually gets sidelined.
No.6916
>>6899>the main driving factor I get from ships in unnatural worlds is how they got together in their current setting and how they persevered through it if its a drama/tragedyThis. Their roles are what make them what they are. You can't take a medieval king or a templar knight out of their setting, make both of them slave wagers and get the same characters. I never understood the appeal of this. Considering that most yaoi fics don't delve deep into the worldbuilding anyway it shouldn't be harder to write anyway. No research necessary if you just want to write a fic about how one samurai dicks the other.
No.6918
>>6902>SquidgeWorldThat name alone tells me it's going to be full of bad writing and gendie tendie shit. It sounds like one of those faggot words like "scrunkly scrimblo heckin' wholesome goblin rat" words. Hell nah
No.6925
>>6920Resentful for anything specific, or it it's just were anyone with any issue tends to go
No.6926
>>6925Well, squidgeworld has had a few big migrations since it's opening and it's almost always been because people were annoyed at ao3. Ai-fics being allowed on ao3 caused a migration. The whole "End OTW Racism" caused a migration. BNFs spreading misinformation that squidgeworld doesn't allow problematic fics caused a migration. Not all were caused by ao3 resent, like when that ddos attack happened, people started moving their fics over just in case. I think the biggest migration was the palestine/israel conflict where that one OTW person quit and started drama and made it look like he was fired for being pro-palestine.
No.6927
>>6926Oh yes, I was aware of most of these events when they happened, but did not connect the dots.
I think it's actually really good to have your fic in a second place, just in case, so I'm glad people do that. But all the other shit feels so disingenuous to me because the majority of people still feel content using social media services that do a million times worse. But I guess it feels more personal since it's a smaller site.
No.6928
>>6920That site has its own problems, you can't post underage so it's not a perfect replacement for Ao3.
No.6929
>>6928As far as I can tell, they do allow underage, but it’s heavily recommended to lock them
I guess that’s like the option on ao3 to only let members see the work. No.6931
>>6926Reminds me a lot of Twitter vs. Bluesky, people saying they'll migrate over some shit then eventually coming back later because of the lack of userbase. I think having multiple archives instead of a single centralized one is good but any "boycott AO3" stuff just comes off as dumb to me because it's not like they make money from people using the site, you actively have to donate to them.
Also the volunteer that started the I/P drama went back to using AO3 anyway kek, so much for having principles and not supporting zionists I guess.
No.6936
I and a few others in my current fandom are in our 30s now and some 20yo we also talk to found that funny (not in a mean way) how varied the age can be in fandoms and this gave me a flashback to the time when I was a teen and realising that some of the fic writers I adored were in their mid thirties.
I still remember how one of them casually talked about her cat on her blog and how she made tea to sit down and type those stories. Another one had a husband and a part-time job. They must be in their early 50s now it's crazy to think about that but I also want to know what they are doing. Are some of them still into fandoms? Did they all move on?
It's crazy to think that somewhere out there are some 50+ year old women that write fanfics I read when I was 15 and maybe still remember how they wrote all that Guts/Griffith sex and the hate fuck between Megatron and Starscream.
No.6937
>>6936I remember reading a bunch of transformers fanfics in middle school and seeing a note that the chapter was delayed because the author was held up with college, at her job as a professor. She's still writing transformers fanfiction, and now that I'm in college I still think about that.
No.6941
AO3 is updating their tos. Nothing major, just some clarification on wording. Oh and the "Underage" tag will be renamed to "Underage Sex" because it was becoming more and more obvious that people didn't realize "Underage" was for underage characters engaging in sex and not for drinking, dating, etc. It's kinda funny to see comments on the news that are against the change because they were using the tag wrongly.
No.6943
Its a bittersweet feeling to get into a fandom far too late and all theres left are echoes of a greater time where excitement was high and fandom was bustling. Sometimes theres a few stragglers here and there still posting despite the years gone by, sometimes its another fan also just getting into series late. While Im grateful to at least experience the media in my lifetime, however late it may be, it makes me wish i was there during the times there was an active community enjoying the media together.
No.6944
>>6941lmao do they think writing about people under 18 in a general sense or even a sweetheart, coming-of-age love story is a CONTENT WARNING in of itself? If that's the case, then no one should ever write YA or children's books. God people are so fucking retarded.
No.6945
>>6944Most people rightfully pointed out how retarded it sounds to use the underage tag as a trigger for stuff like that. Like at that point it'll be in the tags and most things like that are canonical too.
No.6946
>>6943relatable. i got into a fandom a couple years back that was entirely dead aside from about a half-dozen people still posting on tumblr, and it SHOULD have been fun, except they just endlessly policed each other and nothing remotely interesting happened. just the same talking points over and over with barely any art or fic. i think i’d take a dead fandom over experiencing that again.
for one of my current old-ish fandoms, though, i have been posting more openly (like being upfront about my ships and what discourse i think is ridiculous etc) and it’s brought some like-minded people to me. and while i do heavily regret not being there for the height of the series’ popularity, i am having a lot of fun with the sleepover sort of vibe that comes from a tiny community like that. idk, i’m rambling.
No.6947
>>6943Me when I got into Smallville. I'm glad ao3 at least has a bunch of archives of old fanfic. But I always think "man what if I was old enough to participate in the fandom back then?"
No.6949
>>6941I wonder if I need to turn off New Work subscription emails.
If someone tagged future works with this new tag, Google is definitely gonna put millions on watch lists or nuke their accounts.
No.6951
>>6941I fully support the change since there are way too many G and T rated works in the tag which are just two 16 year olds dating.
I agree with some of the posts on the forum that "Underage Sexual Content" is a better name though since not all posts in the tag are being tagged for full on sex but also assault, groping, ect. If someone wants to exclude it from a search they should be able to grab all of those kinds of stories not just ones with penetration.
>>6949They won't, Google "allegedly" doesn't scan your Gmail account and while I have strong doubts about their privacy policy there is no way they can act upon it without showing their hand and leaving themselves open to lawsuits.
At worst it'd look bad if someone else saw your email account, but if you've already been getting emails for works with an "Underage" tag this is no different. If something was going to happen it already would have.
No.6952
>>6941I actually have held back from writing vanilla shota stuff, nothing too explicit or anything (even if I don't mind) because the Shota tag is usually almost exclusively NSFW. I personally don't know how to tag something as "btw the characters are shotas in the fic". De-aging? Would that be the tag for it? Like a fic detailing a character's childhood backstory.
No.6963
>>6959I would give up my left pinky to draw that well
No.6968
>guys appear first time in series
>"wow they're ugly lol"
>get into them (or him) after observing them for a while and loving the personalities, behavior and relationship
>"wow they're so hot, the faces, the hair, eyes, bodies, everything is perfect"
>googles gay porn to fap
How does the brain even works is everything an illusion?
No.6972
>>6971> there's loads of characters I find attractive but since I didn't find anyone in the series for them to be gay with, they're forgettable to meI know that feel. Sometimes it's truly a shame because they're are even charismatic or fun. But sometimes characters are so isolated that they aren't close to anybody even if they're fun. I wonder if anybody who was working on the series ever grew aware of the wasted potential.
No.6983
>>6968It's so wild to me that this happened with Osomatsu-san. Though I guess it also helped that they hired A-list male voice actors for all of them so the seiyuu enjoyers were already baited.
No.6987
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
No.6994
Do you feel childish for watching anime and reading manga?
No.6995
>>6994No, I think it's very immature to disregard a medium for being childish.
No.6996
>>6994reading/watching, not really. making fanart and writing fic, slightly embarrassing. and for some reason amv-making makes me feel like i’m 12 again and i need to crawl into a hole and die. but aside from that, i’d say i’m pretty shameless.
No.6997
Where do I find the DNI blocklist to block antis and DNIs on blueksy? I can't find it even when looking around :(
No.6998
>>6994Why would I ever? I'm not going to tell my coworkers I like it though.
No.6999
>>6994Not necessarily, but I don't like doing it in front of my family because I know they already see me as immature and retarded, and that they have no interest in it themselves, so it feels awkward.
No.7000
>>6994Why? Did someone tell you that?
No.7003
>past 5 fics in my fandom tag have "wahhhh everyone stay safe orange man is gonna kill us all wahhhhh"
god shut the fuck up
No.7005
>>7003Hope I am not too political for saying this (and I really despise Trump and Reps myself) but the way a lot of US online "queers" react to the loss right now made me lose every shred of respect for them. The apocalypse spamming is bad enough, but they also spout some of the most horrid racism I have seen in recent times, blaming minorities for not unanimously voting what they wanted. Horrible whoever talks like this.
Maybe the radical nonnas were were right when they said to never trust a tranny. They are only progressive as long as it works in their favor. They don't care about racism, wars and inequality they only side with the alleged progressive side because it promises to provide them with sex hormones.
5 min. ago I saw a dude with gender flag wishing that all Arabs and Latinos got deported and suffered because a few of them felt bad voting for Harris, others called for boycotts of Arab/Latino owned stores. Dear god, some people are showing their real faces rn.
Anyway sorry for this, I won't talk about it again.
Be nice everybody, racism and sexism are bad, don't forget to thank your fans.
No.7006
>>7003I kinda hate that people bring politics into fandom. Like this is meant to be escapism, not activism. If you wanna be an activist go outside and do something instead of crying about it on ao3 of all places.
No.7007
I really had a yaoi dream for some reason today, and it's about the most 2 random characters ever. Can't bother to mention the show or characters though, they're just some side characters who work in a gang. One of them gets his leg broken and the other decides to take care of him until his leg heals, and he kisses it for some reason, which makes the other fall in love with him, and with time the whole caretaking thing develops into a romantic and sexual relationship and it's genuine, they fuck in the hospital on the hospital bed and the caretaker isn't allowed to stay there anymore for being inappropriate in the hospital, so the protagonist of the show appears out of thin air and is assigned to watch over the one with the broken leg, who decides to ask him for love advice because ofcourse. Dream ends here though.
No.7008
>>7006Yeah this is why I have a strict "no politics" policy for my accounts. I casually still browse to inform myself, but don't retweet anything. My followers follow me to see fanart, I don't want to bother them with this and they are most likely well informed enough anyway. When I browse fanart I want to escape, forget and have some fun.
No.7010
>>7009Are you thinking of "preslash"? Which is basically gen but written with author intent toward the ship. Traditionally it's still X/Y over X&Y even if they aren't getting together in the fic. Author intent in fanfic matters–if you posted 2 identical fanfic summaries but labeled them differently I would only click on the X/Y preslash one.
No.7011
>>7010I had
>>6902 and their description of "totally-not-just-gen tag for queerplatonic relationships" on my mind but it's something I've seen a few times before.
I don't know what a "queerplatonic" is but the idea of being tricked into reading gen has been thrown around a few times. I agree pre-slash is the terminology I'd use for a fic where the relationship is just blossoming and I similarly would feel very differently about the same story based on the tags used.
I guess I'm wondering at what point it becomes annoying to the average reader.
No.7018
>>7011I’m
>>6902 and queerplatonic is just a word for weirdly close friendship. It’s basically life partners without romance. Which is why it’s actually just gen. And the implications of the author using queerplatonic would never imply pre-slash.
No.7024
Part of why I mostly like shipping opposed to canon pairings is that the majority of writers suck ASS at writing romance. And since they're usually writing het romance het is more likely to be shit on principle, all preferences aside.
I watched or read many series where two guys were so close that even 4chan called them gay. They touch or lean against each other, one might hold someone else's face, they do shit together that they enjoy together, they understand each other without speaking and they aren't awkward around each other.
Meanwhile the "romances" in the same series consist of girls blushing like idiots in every panel for.. standing near the dude they're in love with. And if there is any touching at all it's the girl tempting the dude/boy and it's him who makes are retarded face, screams and bleeds from the nose. Wow. What an interesting dynamic bro. I swear you could change the gender and make both men or boys and I still wouldn't give a shit because that sort of romance is superficial and sucks IMO.
No.7083
Why are fujos so unlikely to upload art to danbooru? Is it out of respect for the artist to avoid reposts even if they link to the source, is it laziness or because fujos view it at useless?
Here is the joke, I don't do it either. I simply view it as redundant in this day and age. If I care about a series, I will search twitter and pixiv etc. for it, follow hundreds of artists and browse the place daily to not miss anything. I only use danbooru when I need some quick access to a fanart of a series I didn't care enough about to google art for. Like when I talk in a thread and think I should accompany my post with an artwork.
My only gripe with the lack of fujo art on the boorus is that casuals and men don't care enough to browse and follow properly so they go to the boorus instead, see the shit there and post that and it's mostly generic coomer or waifu art. Worse, some will believe and say that most of the art for a series got was said waifu stuff because it's the most common thing they see on *booru, even when het art makes up less than 3% of the total of fanart a series get.
No.7084
>>7083Because it's full of uncensored coomshit.
I've never used it and don't see its appeal.
No.7085
>>7084Should nsfw bl for censored too? Like do some fujos not like men having sex? then what's the point? There's dynamics yea, but if they aren't having sex or kissing like a normal couple should then it feels like a close friendship to me.
No.7086
>>7083Danbooru is notably strict and the moderation favors het moe waifu slop art over other kinds of art. Been denied multiple times trying to upload content even with the correct tags and a source image. If it does manage to get through mods approval, it's also very easy for the artist to ask the staff to remove the upload anyway.
Gelbooru's shit but the staff won't bitch if you upload BL art. Be the change you want to see and make Gelbooru yaoi haven.
No.7088
>>7084This, I hate going on danbooru for BL and having coomer hentai shit on the same page. its also the same reason why i hate looking through r34.
i only ever go on those two sites when im in an old fandom and im desperate for R18 content that isnt on social media anymore due to porn bans
No.7089
>>7088>>7084It's odd because a few series I like get endless m/m art every single day, they have thousands of fanarts, some even have thousands of gay doujinshi but go to danbooru and you get like 10 pages of fanart because desperate het fags collect the few crumbs they get and upload them there.
Can you imagine that some anon told me (most likely with a straight face) that most of the fanart for Transformers was het shipping for one of the three or so relevant female characters (vs 99% males) when the series gets like 100 BL artworks per day? The character in question doesn't even have much art to begin with, but they only look at danbooru, see the 200 artworks there and consider that the fanbase when the series got like 100k artworks in the last 10 years alone. This isn't even an exaggeration. I bet they also believe that most fans of JJBA and Golden Kamuy were het shippers and waifu fans thanks to booru.
No.7090
>>7086This is actually less true now! The approvers favor sfw over porn so you are way more likely to get clean BL approved now than you were 5 or so years ago. Some of the approvers are even fujos including one of the mods!
I can't recommend enough actually archiving the art you enjoy. I've been doing it for a while and it's so nice to have a copy of it even if the bad_piviv_id is sad to see.
Though the banned posts is an issue they no longer do banned_artists so the artist has to actually put in a DMCA for each individual image posted making removal less likely.
No.7091
>>7090Glad things have changed I won't lie it has been several years since I last attempted to upload anything. Still the Gelbooru advice stands kek
>I can't recommend enough actually archiving the art you enjoyShout out to my best friend gallery-dl everyone should learn how to use CLI tools to archive what they want
No.7092
>>7090>I can't recommend enough actually archiving the art you enjoyAre there any actual fans who don't save? I spent a lot of my free time searching for art and saving it since I got internet access 20+ years ago. I save everything, even sketches. My biggest folders encompass up to 30000 pics for a single series (and 73 subfolders).
Even a very new anime I got into and isn't mainstream already has a 2000 pic folder for my fav ship alone. I don't think I could scroll past art that I like without saving it. It's a shame that casuals don't do it. When I see PCs of other people I am always surprised how empty they are. There is nothing. Why?
No.7093
>>7092When I started using twitter some years back I got really used to just sending links to my friends and hitting like and then continuing. I only saved stuff for rare/dead fandoms, because there seemed to be an awful lot and everyone was so lively. Now it's far less nice and people delete or private frequently, but I still catch myself not having saved something because I shared the link with someone in the moment.
Also these days you gotta make a "no repost" folder in your series folder so you don't accidentally post one from an artist who threatens to burn everything. I got one small fandom where there were only a handful of artists left and I've been blacklisted by all of them for posting their works on 4chan threads, so now even if I still save their stuff because it's rare it's all "no repost".
No.7094
>>7093>Also these days you gotta make a "no repost" folder in your series folder so you don't accidentally post one from an artist who threatens to burn everythingOh yeah I hate that paranoia. I am an artist myself, sure, it's nicer when someone links the source, but it also has something cool about it if you encounter some random Chinese fan or discorder who knows your art from some obscure discord or forum that posted it without source and is happy to have found you. I can't stand pinterest repost I admit that, but I deem it useless to get mad about it, there is nothing you can do and SADLY, sometimes, pinterest happens to be the last place that still hosts a certain artwork if the artist has nuked their accounts.
Anyway tbh I still repost their stuff on 4chan and into discords (though with link) and I never noticed an issue. Maybe they don't visit 4chan or they care less because it's anonymous. I think they mostly get mad if people repost it on socmedia since that implies that the reposter was the artist? I don't use other socmedia anyway.
Personally I always save because I simply enjoy art of my favs a lot. It's like merch to me. Especially since art also tells a story or conveys some idea about the characters. I love to own it all and to post it on image boards to shill my favs lol.
No.7095
sometimes i wish i remained silent about my rarepair on social media so I could openly sperge about it on the rarepair thread here. ill immediately get recognized since ive openly joked about being the sole creator of said ship for years so I would hate to commit social suicide because my ship sperge was traced back to an imageboard site….
No.7096
Nothing is more embarrassing than coming across yumejoshis from your own country, the kind you’ve seen countless times in local nerd circles, always use their fav as a profile picture and only ever talk about that one character, ignoring everyone else.. also getting into petty arguments when the character is criticized.
It's so weird the lenghts yumes will go to defend them tbh, it's almost like their entire identity and confidence are wrapped up in the one they choose to identify with. like a kin but without saying so.
No.7098
>>7092>Are there any actual fans who don't save?For me personally there's rarely art I see that I enjoy enough to save on my PC. I'll just retweet/like/bookmark it and move on. Though I tend to consume media like that in general cause I don't rewatch anime or replay games either, or reread books and fics. The exception is art that involves my OC because he's been my main obsession these past 4 years. I guess in my mind I would never re-look at fanart enough to justify the space it'd take up on my PC if I saved every piece that I even remotely liked.
No.7101
Is it retarded to write and draw things in case nothing really clicks?
No.7102
>>7095God me too. In one fandom I am literally the only fan and artist of two certain characters and the involved ships and in another fandom I am the only damn westerner on twitter drawing a certain ship. It's cursed.
I want to talk about them but it feels different when you know that you basically reveal who you are by doing so. I want to post sketches I am not gonna post on twitter sometimes just to stir up discussion and maybe encourage others to draw, but that would also reveal who I am as long as someone cares to look it up or already browse art for the respective series.
No.7104
>>7101Not clicking for you? If so I wouldn't do it. I cannot even draw a single artwork for the FOTM I enjoy, I can only create things for the stories I am genuinely passionate about. Fail to see the point doing it for others anyway, creating should be all about fun.
No.7105
>>7104I meant having a hard time finding stories or fanart that scratch that itch so I make it myself kek. I'm lucky in that I can technically write and draw I just don't have the drive to do it sometimes. The spark's there, but it feels like body and mind are never in the mood for it.
No.7126
Saw my classmate updating WhatsApp icon from anonymous to Wriolette pic and it made me so happy [spoiler]even despite homophobic laws what can result in fine volume[/spoiler], it kinda make me to put goofy Jimmy x Curly icon, it’s not too obvious for normies but still recognisable for fandom folk. Being a crypto fujo excites me. I’ll probably change it back to anon later but it’s feeling nice now.
No.7128
Lost a pin that was on my bag, absolutely heartbroken. I'm going to a con soon so at least I'll be able to find a replacement but still, no idea how it happened.
No.7129
thank fuck I had the foresight to download my fave artist's gallery before she nuked everything.
No.7131
>>7130Why can't people use that Nightshade thing that scrambles your art for AI scraping instead of the watermarks?
No.7132
>>7131Intrusive watermarks predate AI because of reposts with no credit. Also stealing the art to put on shirts and stuff.
No.7135
>>7131it requires a large amount of RAM to run and takes a ridiculously long time to filter over. Its not even a guaranteed fix since some ai tests have been able to bypass the nightshade.
No.7136
>>7131Some artists never considered watermarks an issue sadly. Even before AI there were always some I followed that fucked their own art up by plastering fat "DON'T REPOST" watermarks onto their artworks. I never understood why anybody would do this. I either care enough to erase it before I put the artworks into my fanart folder or unfollow the artist.
No.7137
I find it so funny when a newer series or anime adaption attracts lots of fujos and all of them simultaneously happen to headcanon the same shipping order for a pairing or decide that one certain dude is destine to be the uke on principle, no matter whom you're pairing him up with, even when I felt like he'd be the seme while watching the show.
I am fine with it and just roll with it. I prefer the character I am attracted to the most as the one bottoming anyway, but it's still funny.
No.7138
>>7136Ngl it's become easy to ignore for me, sometimes I don't notice it until later on. It's a wonder how a mind can adapt.
No.7139
>>7136They're worried someone will repost it to pretend they're them in that case, not just that someone will repost it somewhere else for the sake of it. I saw someone saying they're worried that deleting their twitter art will make it easier for someone else to accuse her of plagiarizing someone else when she posted her art first, and some people on bluesky are trying to take other artists' twitter handle to pretend to be them. I haven't seen that myself because I only looked for links the actual artists posted on their twitter for everyone to find them but I've seen some of them urging other artists to at least make an account on bluesky to hoard their @ and avoid people pretending they're them.
No.7140
There's a JP artist I follow who's doing a free avatar giveaway but even with no money involved she won't do fanart or mmo characters. This supports what I thought in another thread that some JP artists are extremely skittish about copyrighted characters despite doujin culture being a thing.
>>7130Yeah I'm also in a situation where some artists have moved to bsky while others are still on twitter so I'm active on both platforms now. Best case scenario with the watermarks are the variants where they will post the clean version on another platform. By the way, the Grok AI opt-out still seems to be available so it feels like in the end this whole migration and artists throwing away their established follower base was for nothing.
No.7141
>Yaoi is not about males, it’s about women making males non threatening (whether they are self inserting or not) to themselves and forming community with other girls about the media they like. Drawing and writing them as Basically-Women is not troon related to me and i hate that trannies have invaded our spaces
do you agree?
No.7142
>>7141I just like hot men fucking each other tbh, this psycho analysis stuff is exhausting.
>basically womenThey're written as anime men, ngl people like this either never bothered checking a regular non bl male character out or have a strange obsession with the idea that women are only able to write themselves.
No.7143
>>7141I think that that's too many mind games, no answer is good, don't care, cock in ass.
No.7144
>>7140>throwing away their established follower base was for nothing.The only artists I see lamenting the twitter shakeup are people who draw for a living. Most of the fandom types seem happier there. Seems cruel to say but I simply don't care about career artists on social media as much as I do fanartists/writers.
No.7145
>>7142>They're written as anime men, ngl people like this either never bothered checking a regular non bl male character out or have a strange obsession with the idea that women are only able to write themselves.I agree. Even with obviously male-oriented haremslop you could argue the male MCs aren't actually written as men because they don't immediately pursue the girls who crush on them.
No.7146
>>7141No I'm attracted to men and I find them even more attractive with other men.
This "Yaoi is basically just about women" or "Yaoi is just lesbian romance with two guys" arguments alway tick me off honestly. No it's about men! MEN! I'm going to take the two guys I like from a series and slap them together like action figures and it has nothing to do with anything other than me finding them cute together.
No.7148
>>7145>>7146I agree that it's not the right to basically call them women, but it wouldn't be false to say that males in Yaoi don't act like men (straight or gay), the behave more like they abstract figures more than people or characters
No.7149
>>7148>the behave more like they abstract figures more than people or charactersIsn't that just another way of saying that you think the writing is bad kek
No.7150
>>7147Ngl I sometimes get miffed with ukeisms but given the way most harem mcs act maybe it's just an anime male character trope in general lol
>>7148Most anime waifus don't act at all like real women and more like an abstract of what men find titalating and appealing to their ego and yet no one says that anime girls are basically men
No.7152
>>7141I never liked this argument because the only things notably "male" about men in lateral media is the general shape of their bodies and if they have a romantic interest it's probably a woman. Most writers are writing a character in a story and not something that is supposed to be perfectly grounded in reality. Superman doesn't really act like a man and nobody is constantly trying to sell the idea that every Superman writer was carving out a delusional space for themselves because they felt threatened by "real" men.
No.7153
>>7152>>7141Samefriend–also I'd argue that most people with this opinion don't think about how men only seem to be written "like men" because the women who share the stage with the men are too often written so poorly that it begs the comparison. So when they hit bad writing like
>>7149 is implying, they will naturally think "not written like a man would be".
No.7155
>>7138Depends on how it's done. I am too much of an art fetishist to ignore it if it's plastered over characters' faces.
>>7139This happened to me a few times. But I can prove I am the original artist because I keep the psd/clip studio files with all the layers and everything. Some year ago someone messaged me on tumblr and talked Chinese with me lol. Turned out I am not the person they think I was and apparently someone in China reposted my art pretending to be me. I showed their friend the files and shit was solved. I doubt the other one deleted their reposts but I can at least prove who the real artist is in case that someone asks me. So always keep your files!
The most common reposters are pinterest shitters though. Apparently their fanbase is also really stupid. I know some accounts that wildly repost from various artists with completely different art styles and fandoms and yet their pinterest fans always tell them what an awesome artist they are. They see some cutesy pastel artwork for K-ON and sketchy, gory yaoi fanarts for Transformers or something and don't doubt for a second that it's the same artist (the reposters don't even claim it's them, they just repost without commenting).
No.7156
>>7141> it’s about women making males non threateningNo because I like the threatening ones the most and no I am not afraid of men, neither real ones nor 2D cartoon characters. I actually dislike feminized men and I rarely like twinks and if I do then only if they're 1. evil and powerful (aka threatening) and 2. paired with a big buff dude, not another twink.
This sentence is rather describing trap fags not fujos. And trap fags are usually male lmao
That aside it's seems to be a tranny issue first and foremost. The most paranoid man haters I witnessed are trannies. That aside most fans that uwu-fy their pairings are ALSO trannies. Granted, most trannies are women who ship m/m, but they don't even identify as fujos so it's not a fujo thing and their pairings are closer to doll plays coming from a toddler or hetero sex than actual yaoi (remember all the PIV and trans-headcanons).
No.7157
>>7144> Seems cruel to say but I simply don't care about career artists Based me neither. Half of all western fans I see and know only draw fanart to eventually gain enough followers to make money of this but I don't like them. Tbh they are the main reason for why western fandoms turned to ass. Once you make it about money every other artist becomes a rival.
I am in a fandom where the Asian part is super cool and the western one nothing but infighting and everybody shitflinging against each other because they get envious if some other commercial artist gets more followers than them and a lot of them cheat like tracing or AI help to draw which is bad already enough, but the moment others notice they start a call out war against them even though they're cheating themselves.
Everybody is out for each others throats it's only me and a few others being spared because we do it for free (lel). Tbh I don't care about these people and I am happy if they delete their twitter accs for good and fuck off to tumblr. Fanart is about enjoyment and love.
No.7158
>>7140>so it feels like in the end this whole migration and artists throwing away their established follower base was for nothing.Many of the artists I've seen migrating to other platforms and deleting pictures on twitter or locking their profiles are Asian and their main reason for doing that was that they really don't like the removal of the blocking feature at all. They tend to block underage followers and people, bots and people who post leaks and spoilers all the time and people who start shit with them so it's understandable, and I do that too so that's also why I'm using bluesky a lot more than twitter now. I deleted my pictures, except for video game screenshots because I don't want all the people I blocked and I know irl to be able to guess who I could be based on what I posted. So far I've seen a lot of English speaking artists who were like "thank god I didn't delete my art, I bet the ones who did feel stupid lol" but almost all of them have horrible art and barely any followers so nobody wants to see their shit in the first place, and the rest are people who make money off their art so they still need to be able to advertise their art and announce when they can take commissions.
>>7141Absolutely fucking not. Whoever says that the characters in BL are basically women are high on meth or exclusively reading cutesy manga where the most scandalous thing that happen is handholding.
>it’s about women making males non threateningThe most popular BL manga tend to not fit that description at all. If anything many of them have insane characters doing insane shit to each other because the mangaka feel like they have no limit with how niche the genre is. Don't even get me started on fanfics and doujinshi.
No.7159
>>7148Yes, in the same way anime women don't act like real people either. It's all characters made to fulfil specific roles in a story.
That being said the point still stands you could take the same exact same two characters and turn on or both into girls with the same exact backstory, motivations, personalities, ect and I'd no longer be interested in shipping them even if I still like both characters. It's specifically because they are men and I'm straight that I care.
Madohomu is literally the only non-BL ship I've ever cared about.
No.7160
>>7159>madohomuexpert taste, i'm bi but i've rarely ever cared for non bl ships or at least not to the same extent as my bl ships, at the same time if madohomu was bl it probably be the otp of all otps for me (male homura would be hot af too)
No.7161
>>7158I still keep my art on twatter because I am a piracy and preservation whore so deleting art feels wrong to me. The AI part is shit but in the end they will feed art to AIs regardless where you are posting and if it's not the website itself doing it it will be the people that save your art and feed it or repost it on pinterest, discords and other places.
That said I am also primarily posting on bluesky now. I don't care about numbers so going from 1k+ followers to 50 doesn't bother me. What I won't do is getting active on tumblr. I just consider that place a menace to use and too America-centric. I absolutely don't understand why Americans are so obsessed with tumblr.
No.7162
>>7160>expert taste, i'm bi but i've rarely ever cared for non bl ships or at least not to the same extent as my bl ships, at the same time if madohomu was bl it probably be the otp of all otps for me (male homura would be hot af too)>>7159>Madohomu is literally the only non-BL ship I've ever cared about.I've seen it said before but Madoka ships are very 'BL-like' for lack of a better word, there's a lot of dynamics there that you don't typically get in yuri and for that reason they have more appeal to fujos. 'BL/shonen'-like yuri pretty much sums up my taste in yuri, I like rivals/enemies who fight whether it's M/M or F/F and can confirm I also love Madoka ships but I'm personally most into Homura/Mami and Kyoko/Mami.
I can't tell you how disappointed I was to find that most Black Rock Shooter doujins based on the anime were yuri of the schoolgirls instead of lesbian fight sex.
No.7164
>>7141My hot take is that this is true to a lot of fujos who are deeply invested in the genre outside of just smut and the ones who get personally offended over people calling the characters in BL non-men are either yumes mad over the implied emasculation of their semehusbando, bona fide homophobes who freak out thinking this claim somehow makes them lesbians or people who think calling them non-men is the same as trooning them. Usually all of these three traits apply.
No.7165
>>7083Because checking out the male character tags throws uncensored malegaze straight porn of them fucking the girl from the series in my face and the series tags only give you fetish porn of the female characters, it's impossible to use as a fujo.
No.7166
>>7165There is a tag specifically to counter this called "male_focus" which is for images that only have male characters in them. That way you don't search a character's name and get het porn or him in the background of an image.
The site is absolutely not impossible to use as a fujo and is honestly one of the better boorus specifically because of that tag. It's not like r34 of sankaku which are actively antagonistic to their female users.
No.7167
>>7164>all the replies other than yours that are calling it dumb are yumes and homophobesYeah, that's a hot take kek
No.7168
>>7165>>7166I never see het for the characters I like, but there is no art to begin with. It's crazy how dudes with thousands upon thousands of fanarts don't even get 10 on danbooru. It's clearly only used by otaku and none of them bother with fanart with men unless it involves a girl.
tbh I don't bother to be the change I want to see here because it's too much work with no reward. My current pairing alone already has almost 2k fanarts that I have saved and it's new. Imagine the hours I would waste uploading all of these artworks, each with 100 tags that danbooru demands and all assuming that the mods would greenlight it to begin with (they wouldn't).
Add to that that the artists don't like uploads. I am no fandom cop here and I post their art on anonymous image boards, but this different IMO than uploading them on proper galleries under a user name. I betray their trust and the worst case scenario is that they notice and delete their accounts or use some ugly "no repost" watermark in the future. No thanks.
No.7169
>>7168Thats fine, I became the change I wanted to see because of that exact reason, tons of art but half the uploaders have no interest in the men unless it's part of a gacha. I recongize that not everyone enjoys the wprk of uploading and tagging. Personally I just enjoy sorting stuff lol.
Though imo I think once you up something to the internet it's fair game to archive and I'd rather it be propey attributed on a gallery than blown to the wind in reposts or pinterest saves.
No.7170
>>7169kek you inspire me. Maybe I should upload a few after all. I can start with art from deleted accounts or some of my own shit even. My idea behind this is to gayify danbooru a bit and archive art. I bet that otaku are only searching for solo_tits anyway but the people that search for a series' tag should know that the loli/MC pairing isn't the only ship that exists.
>I think once you up something to the internet it's fair game to archiveYeah this is the real point of the boorus. Artists might nuke their accounts and even places like tumblr might die or delete art, there needs to be a place that archives everything or else it will be gone one day. Preferably a website with proper tagging system, high res versions of the art and no forcing of a log in, pinterest is fucking shit.
No.7171
>>7170>kek you inspire me. Maybe I should upload a few after all. I can start with art from deleted accounts or some of my own shit even. My idea behind this is to gayify danbooru a bit and archive art. I bet that otaku are only searching for solo_tits anyway but the people that search for a series' tag should know that the loli/MC pairing isn't the only ship that exists.Lol good luck nonna, honestly the worst thing is when an artist just ups and nukes an entire account out of the blue. There are so many artists who I loved back in 2009/2010 that I have art of in folders but no way of tracking down.
If you want to into-booru:
Danbooru: is by far the best imo just in terms of tagging, filtering, no ads, community (people are actually very willing to help on the forums and discord), but it's drawback is that until you contribute enough you only have 2-tag searches (so "male_focus ikari_shinji" but not "male_focus ikari_shinji mug") and they are particular about sourcing since they want to attribute to the artist. So you can post deleted works, you just need to leave a comment explaining where it came from so it'll be approved. "Deleted" images are still archived and searchable, but hidden by default. I use it every day and am bias towards it lol.
Gelbooru: is the laxer brother, it automatically mirrors Danbooru so everything upped to Dan is also upped to Gel by default. They offer more tag searches but in turn have gross porn ads if you don't use ad-block. Some people do up to it since it is less stingy on stuff like sourcing and quality but it's mainly a mirror.
TBIB: This is a mirror of Danbooru, Gelbooru, e621, and a few other boorus. If you ever need to search every site at once it'll help but you can't actually up to it.
Sankaku: Former booru, now misogynistic AI wasteland. Theres a lot of old 2008 era art on here not archived anywhere else but it's impossible to use in it's current state.
AIbooru: Booru for just AI, you need to post what module you generated the image from. Allows yaoi but not bara.
Zerochan: A booru without porn, there aren't enough tags for me personally so you can't really narrow down specific images with characters but if you just want images of Shinji without any chance of finding him getting raped by Asuka this would a good booru.
Eshuushuu: Like above its a pornless booru. I'd say it's more "girly" than others, has a lot of old art but not enough tags to search properly imo.
Rule34.xxx: You want to post ms-paint porn? This is the site, you don't even need to tag your stuff just dump it all. An accrused booru that allows most stuff that is porn and not lolisho.
Honestly however you choose to save your images I wish you luck!
No.7172
I'm going to sound like a contrarian now but I feel like sometimes if a gay pairing is pushed too hard I just end up disliking it. The anime for Blue lock is going so hard on Reonagi that I'm getting tired of it.
No.7177
i’m literally too ashamed to specify fandom but i’ve gotta ask: what’s the best place to look for old digitalized doujinshi? i know myreadingmanga is most people’s first destination but it’s so full of barashit and other slop now (sorry to any barafags on the board) that i hate wading through it. and i’ve specifically got a thing for that late 90s/early 2000s style of doujinshi that tended to lean more “artistic,” for lack of a better word. i know i’m being mildly autistic about this and i apologize.
No.7178
>>7177Don't be ashamed nonna, the only good archive with a ton I know of is this site.
http://www.arigatomina.com/downloads/djs/index.htmlBut there are (or maybe were?) a ton of livejournal communities back in the day sharing scanlated doujins. Here for instance is one that still exists for One Piece doujins.
https://nagahana-scans.livejournal.com/Perhaps searching series name + doujinshi on LJ might help?
No.7182
>>7179>>7180We should gather them together for a masterpost honestly and use it for an OP if we ever hit bumplimit.
No.7187
Whenever I see weeb moids whining about fujos "delusions" it’s painfully obvious they’re just mad because the side ships are way more interesting than their precious canon ship lol.
The only thing their ship has going for it is being canon, and even then, it’s usually a forced dynamic. Plus, sometimes the author doesn’t even bother giving it a proper conclusion lol
Honestly, I’d rather keep my ship fanon if canon is just going to ruin it.
No.7188
>>7187I also think there's a subset of male weebs who hardcore project onto one of the guys in the ship, and feel personally threatened when the character starts getting shipped with other male characters lol.
No.7189
>>7188I think so too, which is why they get so obnoxious
No.7190
>>7187Sometimes even they admit that if one of the guys were a girl they'd ship the gay pairings they insult so much. Like with Naruto and Sasuke or more recently with Yuji and Megumi from JJK.
No.7191
I'm watching a video about Deviantart oddities. The section about "Mollyhaleismyfriend" makes me think about how there might've been such heavily autistic dudes long before the internet and I wonder what sort of coping mechanisms they'd have before being able to make a deviantart gallery and filling it with hundreds of the same shitty mspaint jpg edits of cartoon characters. I guess depending on their social standing it'd be either writing or just being too busy with farming or factory work to do anything else.
No.7193
>>7187I am in a fandom where two weird adult dudes are written like a married couple. They hug, they enjoy hanging out and fight together and they cook food together. Meanwhile, all the het romances with the mains amount to are blushing girls and indifferent boys. They barely even interact unless it's forced by plot like a waifu warning the MC or waifu saying something lewd and blushing, hehe.
Wow what an interesting dynamic.
Fuck all this purity shit. Het stuff in anime is almost always crap because weebs can't take actual relationships, it has to be super pure and the girls HAVE to be written as nothing but "the girl" otherwise it's woke or something. Meanwhile the males aren't allowed to reciprocate the interest for some fucking reason. The girl is just a trophy to win. Once the MCs have won them they don't matter anymore. It makes me wonder why the fuck you even want a waifu. It seems to be 100% status symbol and nothing else.
No.7194
>>7191I hate how much these spergs infest online fandoms. The "waifu/husbando draw thread" on /a/ is such a cool idea by itself. But it's a dead place because nobody draws, it's just 100 male fans all making the exact same request. It's ALWAYS "draw my waifu with the clothes of this other waifu". Always this, never anything else.
I remember a time when it wasn't so bad and I and others participated and drew shit. Someone asked to draw Subaru from hack Sign driving a Subaru, it was so funny so I drew it. Someone asked for funny Kill la Kill edits or homages to old music bands and all that. Now it's just retarded spergs posting the exact same shit.
Sorry bro, drawing a generic moe blob with some other moe blob's generic clothes is too boring to me. It seems like others feel the same because I barely see any artist anymore. Let's face it most artists are women, especially fujos. Like.. 90% or more. Fujos like me might even enjoy drawing women, but the characters have to be cool and the request should be creative.
No.7195
>>7193>the males aren't allowed to reciprocate the interest for some fucking reasonPower fantasy of the hot girl begging for your dick while you stay calm and unaffected by their skimpy costume because in real life these dudes would be spilling their spaghetti over that same waifu.
No.7196
>>7195Shit like this is the bane of all writing. You can literally blame 90% of bad stories, bad developments and everything that makes potential good stories bad like asspulls and lack of emotional payback on this sort of self-inserting and wish-fulfillment.
I wish writers could just stick to fiction and write engaging stories instead of thinking of the damn readers and how to suck their dicks. There needs be a term for this. There probably is. When reality aka the reader's virtual urge dictates the writing. It's like a reality hijack and I hate it. Fuck all projection, that's not what a story is.
No.7198
An artist I follow on twitter just posted some /ex/ content involving an eye socket in a poipiku log and my first thought was "Haha rock on, you funky little degenerate" but it also makes me reflect on how it'd bother me if it was a female character but I'm cool with it being a male. Of course it makes sense and I'm sure most people couldn't stomach ryona of their own sex that well. I think at some point I'd like to draw male ryona too.
No.7199
>>7198This is really weird for me. I am generally neutral and don't relate based on gender but I judge things differently based on whether the artist is a fujo or a (male) otaku.
I believe it comes from assumptions about the intention behind art. It's surely biased, because I am a fujo myself. But when a fujo does something mean to a 2D guy I assume it was her fav, I assume she genuinely loves that guy and I assume that she has story rich headcanons about him, that she also treats him nicely sometimes and that she just likes to see him react to vastly different scenarios to explore his personality. This doesn't contradict that it's porn. Fujo fics explore characters in PwP fics too to have both.
Anyway, thing is if a guy does the same with a 2D girl I assume he's a brainless otaku lmao. I never met otaku that actually cared about the personality of the waifus or think up cool headcanons for them that aren't tradwife related. So if an otaku does it I assume it's some denerated power fantasy about making waifus their own.
A big difference is that they self-ship or let some faceless rapist do the work, whereas fujos usually use a canon character to fuck the eye hole or do the rape. It's the context and the power balance (girl vs big guy VS guy vs guy) that hits differently for me.
No.7200
>>7199>>7198It's similar to how fujos may write and draw smut about their faves but they'll also painstakingly write 7'000 word au's where the characters live and grow old together and create fanart that explores the different dynamics the characters might have to be in different scenarios which may occasionally feature ryona
Men will draw their waifu of the week getting plowed and beheaded but they don't do it out of a sense of genuinely enjoying the character and picturing different dynamics with her, they definitely don't write au's about their faves unless it's an au where there's no plot related tension so she gets to be fucked by the self insert protagonist without the silly story getting in the way, they just do it because it makes their dick hard, sometimes even because they dislike the character and want to punish her, if you look at the average guro featuring a male character and then the same featuring a female, other than the sex of the character the presentation will usually be incredibly different
Also I trust women to be normal about these sorts of things a lot more than men lol
No.7201
>>7199>>7200Yeah, I totally get that mindset. I don't know if the artist I'm referring to, @cho_kuuki, is a woman but I get that impression because 99.9% of the artist's media tab is rabbit men with tired-looking eyes making sleazy expressions and being bullied to varying degrees. It gives me the impression of the type of female artist who has a fetish for pathetic men. If you're wondering why I'm not posting an example I'll admit that I can't bring myself to disrespect the "Do not repost" warning in an artist's bio even though I can't imagine any JP artists know fujochan exists.
No.7204
>>7203That's typical snake/snail behavior and it's odd that it's even being associated with self inserting. Some fujos just want to see one guy get absolutely obliterated by different cocks.
No.7205
>>7202Oh wow….thanks nona
No.7206
>>7194You sure you're not thinking of the general drawthread? Waifu drawthread has always been for waifuposting, some of those requesters have been posting the same girl for almost twenty years and if they ask for anything more interesting than an outfit swap it causes huge infights and accusations of "using her as a fetish vessel". The culture's maddening but there's always the main drawthread, where your options are lewd shit, lewdshit, Shieldherofag, more lewdshit, and that one autistic squirrel guy.
>>7199Yeah, whenever I open a pixiv tag for a series and see some guy drawing violent images of female characters I assume malicious intent, that they hate her and don't care for her as a character, just have a sick fetish for causing distress and pain. But when a fujo does it to a male character it's a fetish for his distress and pain because he is interesting to see react to that. It sounds like bullshit when I put it in writing but I can't shake it. I know fujos who do mob torture shit and are really into abuse porn and prostituting NTR depravity, but I still trust them to actually use the appeals of the original character for that. They still retweet the old men married life art of the same guys and get mad if canon is cruel to them.
>>7201These days it's not about artists knowing a board exists but how likely/quickly the image starts turning up on google image search. Anything you post on 4chan will immediately come up before the original post in reverse image results now and artists don't care if it got deleted when the thread 404'd.
>>7203On that second paragraph, I think it's because you value the emotional pain. You want the catharsis of meaning behind it, the physical is just an extension of suffering or intent. Kind of like even though visually it's "character gets fucked up" it's mental anguish before physical representation. Whereas physical anguish first, or without explored mental anguish, is just… there. It loses track of the character and all you have left is the violent act. The violent act is not the draw but the follow through of what drew you to it. When it's two characters interacting you need to maintain who they both are or it's just the violent act again.
It's late and I have no idea if I'm making sense.
No.7207
>>7194This actually reminds me of that "Hirohiko Araki on the evil of AI art" thread someone posted on /a/ on saturday. At one point a pro AI guy started arguing with the other anons while dumping all the AI slop he generated and it definitely couldn't be called anything but slop. Just the same popular loli characters in cheerleader uniforms, ice skating uniforms or idol uniforms in similar cutesy poses.
No.7208
>>7191>and I wonder what sort of coping mechanisms they'd have before being able to make a deviantart gallery and filling it with hundreds of the same shitty mspaint jpg edits of cartoon charactersI suppose if it's the ladder half of the 20th century, the equivalent would be something like endlessly cutting out photos of your favorite character from magazines and what not and making art work with those
>>7194>The "waifu/husbando draw thread" on /a/God, I really do wish people gave better prompts on there, I love to make art for people, but who wants to draw the most generic anime girl ever
over and over bruh. I did find a prompt I liked, but I think the thread hit limit before I got to it and never saw another prompt I liked again after
No.7209
>>7208>God, I really do wish people gave better prompts on there, I love to make art for peopleYou can make a thread for art requests here. What's stopping you?
No.7210
>>7204It can be selfinserty when they have the combination of permabottom AND perma trans headcanon for their fave because it's either projection or being a hetshipper at their core but I wouldn't consider this type of person an actual fujo.
No.7212
>>7206>You want the catharsis of meaning behind it, the physical is just an extension of suffering or intent.I also noticed that porn art like that is usually pretty (and hot), the guy might break and cum but he's still handsome/moe, whatever he usually is. Coomer art is often so fucking ugly and the girls are made to look retarded as shit with the ahegao that all look the same just as the fucked proportions and distorted positions they assume. This is one of the main reasons for why I cannot get into most het porn. Fujo porn is usually on-model lmao
No.7213
>>7207What I despise most about AI tards is that they are all just people who obsessively crave clout and attention, they aren't willing to put a single little piece of effort into it which is why they aren't artists or anything at all. Everybody can learn to draw, an older fujo friend started to draw with 40(!) and she is GOOD now, two years later. You noticed her getting better every month.
And then there amateurish sketches. I love and save them if someone draws my favs like that. But AI bros don't do that either no. That would require a minimum of work. They don't care about art they just want the twitter clout. If instead of art users would get followers and clicks for posting their turds AI bros would post every literal shit they make. It's solely about the results so I don't give a shit about their whining. If they cared, they could learn to draw. Even that youtube celeb (piediepew?) learned to draw within 100 days I heard. There is no excuse.
No.7216
God is the captcha for starting new threads is a life saver for when my dumbass tries to make a post but forgot to click on the thread first. saved me from so many embarassing slip ups (ノ∀￣〃)
No.7217
>>7216It also seems to be impossible for the bots to pass which I am extremely grateful for.
No.7227
It gives me such a warm and fuzzy feeling when I manage to convey my happy ramblings to JP artists about their art in japanese and they reply. Love for cute anime guys transcends nations and that's beautiful.
No.7237
>>7236kek be grateful it's in English, I had to solve math problems in Japanese to find art ofbthat pairing too before.
No.7242
>>7238I knew the numbers. I just found it funny I literally had to go open my calculator app for this.
No.7243
>>7237There are PWs I still fail to solve since it's some super cryptic (Japanese) stuff like like questions related to buddhism or vague questions I cannot parse.
For one ship I needed weeks to get that "the name of the sin" referred to the pairing in question that is sinful (for various reasons) and that this specific user sometimes used numbers to abbreviate the respective names, so one of the characters is "5" since his surname starts with "go", the other character has two numbers. The three character solution that is the "sin" are the numbers that hint their names. But I never translated her Japanese posts before, so I had no idea the number names even existed lol - I always tried to type in "sin" (English) or "sex" or some shit.
Anyway it's a good way to keep westerners out that aren't as dedicated as me I guess. An anti-anti measure probably.
No.7245
>>7236What a coincidence. I had memories of having to solve some math during visual novel.
No.7246
>>7228They'll email you when the payment request comes through. Quite often things won't come in until the very end of the month, which works out well as the combine monthly order.
>>7243One I saw recently was the artist's own birthday, which was available to followers. Yet people were replying asking what the answer was.
No.7247
Currently taking a break from my main fandom and focusing more on my second one, anime/manga related.
And I am the only active western fan on twitter lol
But it's so CHILL. My main fandom is huge and while 90% of the twitter fans are ok the 10% are an issue (antis, discourse fags, "why MY fav is pure and yours is problematic" etc.). And it's 50% on tumblr so I avoid it like the plague. And besides that there are a lot of chill fans I simply don't resonate with (trans stuff and tertiaries, you know). So this new environment feels so good even though I am the only non-Asian.
Now someone made a discord of my ship and I joined. It's like 50% Chinese, 20% Koreans and the rest are Thai and Japanese. And me, the token westerner. But it's fun! A bunch speaks neither English nor other Asian languages so we use google translate to talk but it all works out.
There is even a yume but she's super chill. She even acknowledges the almost-canon gay partner of her husbando and writes him into stories as a love interest or retweets shipping art, despite only really shipping a femOC with her husband. And one of the Chinese fans identifies as trans but I wouldn't have known if she didn't start complaining about western trannies and their behavior.
I am not used to this. It's probably because the fandom isn't very big, but the mixed fan origins certainly makes it more interesting. It also makes me realise how afraid many of them are of English speaking users (not even westerners in general). A bunch of them were startled when I popped up in their fandom all of a sudden but they thankfully realised that I'm a dirty fujo (and not American) so they calmed down and lots of the ones that are into the same ship followed me for my art.
Sorry for blogposting, but it's my first time actually interacting with Asian fans besides the generic "Thank you!/Great art!" replies. I am so used to drama holy shit.
No.7249
>>7247As someone who runs a mini server for a ship that is mostly liked by japanese/chinese people only, yeah this is a very great feeling.
People tend to feel scared to interact with japanese users because they don't know japanese but I assure you that jp are pretty aware and even look at western fandom stuff themselves. They know about you.
Even if you speak through botched google translate/DeepL they're happy being talked to at all, even more if you both like something so niche.
If any nonna ever feels "wow this one eastern artist shares my exact view about the character it's too bad I'll never be able to talk to them" don't be afraid and just talk!!!
I honestly barely talk to westerners anymore, maybe a few indonesian/thais that speak english but never americans kek you just can kinda tell whenever someone's american
No.7252
I was meandering on Ao3 to find reference for a fic by looking through tags and ended up stumbling upon an account that not only does AI fics, but attaches what is basically simulated CP. Not like, "omg shota is CP!!!" but as if someone took a picture of a naked child and put a shitty blur filter on photoshop. It's that bad.
I tried reporting to Ao3 I'm not sure If they'll even care of think I'm one of those anti fearmongers but this is some dude uploading AI barely disguised CP
No.7254
>>7252I wish they'd just ban AI fics. I know it's their mission statement to allow stuff and people could just pretend like it's not AI but to me it's the message behind it. Why the fuck should I read a fanfic that no one could be bothered to write? Why would they risk their site being turned into the writing version of Pixiv and Deviantart?
No.7255
>>7252They will remove photorealistic lolisho images I've successfully reported stories with gross images before. Basically any sugesstive work with a "real" photo of a kid should be reported.
>>7254Same it should at least mandatory tag, I take solace in the fact that it's incredibly easy to tell within the first two to three paragraphs so I don't spend time only to realize I'm reading AI.
I don't even get the appeal. The AI can't stimulate canon knowledge or be a convincing facsimile of a character's voice. It's all souless and genetric not even fanfiction.
No.7263
Is it shallow to like bl because you like to see two attractive men have sex? I often wonder if my reasons for getting into bl was for noble reasons or just me being a coomer cuz otherwise I have nothing else to add to the hobby. I don't mind having a story, a plot, or a world in my smut, but if it feels like it overtakes the main course I can't seem to enjoy it.
No.7265
>>7264Admittedly it is shallow, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I can understanding need some form of engagement to love these characters, and frankly, I too find myself not wanting to ship two characters simply because they don't click for me. And it's not like sex is all there is. I want there to be a balance between how they engage romantically, platonically, and sexually. If one thing over takes the other, then fine I can live with it. But something feels off when the pairing feels like two dudes hanging out than lovers who do in fact kiss and have actual sex, none of that black out ya nonsense. Maybe it's becuase I've never been in a relationship in my life, but as someone who has or had friends, I'd treat my friends differently than say my own partner.
No.7266
>>7263i think it's shallow too but honestly idc. i think BL fans have some of the most varied reasons to get into it and i think all of them are valid, including the coomer one.
besides, even if you're primarily a smut fan and ship based off mainly appearances, i'm willing to bet you do need some sort of connection to the characters in question to find the whole thing appealing, which adds some layers of depth to your interest. otherwise, why wouldn't you just watch gay porn of randos instead of characters you grow attached to and know their stories and personalities? i could be wrong and making assumptions tho
No.7267
>>7266I feel like I'm a mix of both. I could do gay porn but 95% it is trash and frankly not worth the hours you need just to find the "right one". I'd much rather make my own fantasies with my own characters which satisfy my needs (and for the record, it's not all fucking for fucking sake). Less time would be wasted and I don't feel like crap after.
No.7269
>>7263I get it cause while story and characterisation is very important to me, no amount of good writing can make me like a BL couple if I find one or both of the men unattractive.
No.7271
>>7247Damn. I didn't even know there were Asian discords and now I wish I could find one for my ship, but I'm too cautious for the same reasons I don't want to go into an western discord, just slightly different.
The western fandom:
>Small circle of people, everyone active who I have seen either seems to be into PIV, mpreg and fat fetish, or they're still at least following that group of people, so I can't say for certain they're not into those things>Also way too many boring AUs and omegashitThe Asian fandom:
>Still very kinky but at least way more variety>AxB and BxA divide is pretty hard, I like AxBxA>Fandom is super divided, the anime and manga ship fandoms are separate entities with some overlap but the one I like least is the most popular>Character interpretations are really varied so it's hard to find other fans who fit your nicheI just don't want to wade through a bunch of conversations I'm either not interested in or that gross me out in the hope of getting a little bit of discussion.
No.7274
>>7271> PIV, mpreg and fat fetish, or they're still at least following that group of people, so I can't say for certain they're not into those thingsI'm in a Hazbin/Helluva discord and there's channels for 'extreme' fetishes. And it's literally just fat fetish posting or inflation of some kind. I expected noncon or incest. No, it's just fat feeding porn.
No.7276
>>7274I feel like once you get one person with a weird fetish, more of them all come out of the woodwork and basically strangle the discussion/fandom output. People who aren't into it probably just stop posting or play along.
Not surprised about Hazbin though, the more cartoony the fandom, the higher the concentration of Deviantart fetishes.
No.7277
Did any canon death of a ship ever hurt you so much you felt legit broken?
I don't necessarily mean physical death but the killing of the ship after ages of what looked like proper buildup or a great chemistry and dynamic.
No.7280
>>7277This almost happened to me. There was this line of dialogue involving my ship that implied that one of the dudes had never had sex with any women since serving his master, so it was very easy to headcanon him as gay. Turned out the line was mistranslated by not only the fantranslation but the official one too, and actually, the guy wasn't abstaining, he was fucking around with the women who were interested in them, just not having relationships with them. I felt basically like a robot the whole day until I managed to readjust my headcanons to make it work. Happy end though because none of them ended with canon het love interests and they got a very shipbaity ending together.
No.7282
>>7280*interested in him, that should say
No.7284
>>7277not the best example for multiple reasons, but i came down with a fever and cried when reading the titanic arc in kuroshitsuji because ciel was shown to care about elizabeth, blushed around her and they paralleled jack and rose with loads of romantic subtext through the chapters.
i was a hardcore sebaciel shipper who held ciel's apparent indifference to elizabeth to dear life as cope.
i was like 12 so it explains the mental illness, it's funny to look back on now. little has changed in the characters' dynamics in well over 10 years… but i feel like the more recent developments of kuroshitsuji solidified sebaciel a bit more, especially on sebastian's end.
No.7286
>>7277Not exactly broken but the game had a sequel bait ending and I simply don't want any more material of the terrible hetero pair involving half of my OTP that becomes canon at the very end. Every time there's E3 or TGS I'm always a little anxious that the sequel will finally drop. I'd rather the IP die with no closure to be honest. I'm usually pretty chill about "disregard canon, write more fanfic" but for whatever reason this one really rattles me. I guess because I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for like a decade.
No.7287
>>7280>>7286girlies drop the names
No.7288
>>7277A modern horror story (fujo edition):
Forgive me for not mentioning the ship, I am the only ENG fic writer so I don't want to reveal myself lol - It sounds so retarded when I say this but the very rare fictional characters I can get into mean so much to me, they are my main source of joy in life or even the only one.
But as a fujo you cannot even escape into fiction, unlike yuri fags or hets.
tbh my ship got erased a while ago and I am still dead. I was depressed before, didn't write or draw for years, felt nothing. Then I finally found an odd ship and its two characters that I loved to death and I got better. I could suddenly draw/write again and everything!
They were written as so gay that even moids called them gay. ALL of their scenes showed them together. They cooked together, they touched, laughed, schemed together and even blushed a few times over the course of years.
The fanart for this small fandom blew up and then, all of a sudden, a year later, it got retconned in the worst possible way.
Yes. The author felt the need to confirm that they never saw each other as anything but colleagues. And that one of them was happy going back to his "friends" (friends that were NEVER MENTIONED BEFORE) after leaving the other one behind. He was written out within the course of a single chapter. A dude that was there from the start of the series..
I can't believe I am saying this but I wish they just fell in love with a waifu instead. At least then I could headcanon that they were in love before, are in denial, or that it's just a crush that will pass. But no. It had to retcon and erase everything they ever did.
Anyway, it killed me inside and I don't want to get into anything anymore for now. I am still drawing but feel how it's getting more draining and most of the few fans have given up after the development.
I don't care about rationality anymore, up to this day I believe that this ship and a few others I witnessed dying were killed because the author saw the masses of gay fanart, got disgusted by it and back-stabbed all fujo fans.
I have no other explanation. This and the other killed pairings were always from series where the MCs were painfully het an all paired up so I stay a shizo that believes that an explosion of fujo content is always a risk, since the majority of people are still disgusted by adult gays as well as their shippers so authors might chimp out and teach you a lesson.
I swear if I ever get into an unique ship again and see this happening again I will become a terrorist. At least allow me to enjoy fiction for f*ck's sake.
No.7290
>>7287Sorry sis, tiny rarepair
>>7288Nonna I feel for you, that sounds like absolute bullshit. When you're into something for years or more and then the rug gets pulled out on you and your interest evaporates it's the worst possible feeling.
No.7291
>>7290> When you're into something for years or more and then the rug gets pulled out on you and your interest evaporates it's the worst possible feeling.Thank you nonna. Your post means a lot to me.
And yeah. I had the rug pulled before, so it opened old wounds but this was especially bad. The worst is that it's not like a reveal like "btw I am in love with a women for a while", it was fully OOC and made no sense.
The character leaving the other behind risked his life multiple times for him without getting anything back, he slept in his house, was always with him and learned to fight to help him, was always motivated etc.
So why? If he never cared what was his plan? I could accept it if he at least revealed to be a spy. Shit too, but it at least makes sense. But no. So he he spent half of his life with the other dude even though he cared about his friends? He had time, why did he never return to them? Why never mentioned them? Nothing makes sense this is why I am so shizo about it.
I already witnessed something similar in some comics. Writers realise that an antagonist the fans are supposed to hate is super popular, so he goes full OOC with him to make him psycho and kills him in the most miserable way possible. In one case I even know that it was an angry reaction to fan popularity so I legit believe that this shit happens. And considering that 95% of the fanart for the series above was of these two dudes and none of the authors precious sexualised loli and het ships I genuinely think it was some retribution. Maybe not, but why fucking up your own series like that otherwise?
No.7294
>>7284Ciel/Lizzie moments always make me wonder where the "incest is gross!!!" people disappear to.
>>7287It's a "too easy to identify me" type of game/ship, sorry! (￣▽￣*)ゞ
>>7288This is heartbreaking anon.
>author saw the masses of gay fanart, got disgusted by it and back-stabbed all fujo fans. I still believe the theory that this is why Akito Fruits Basket was revealed to be a woman. I hope one day authors will understand that an organic fujo audience is a blessing–they don't even have to compromise their other audience by canonizing the m/m ship! Fujos are just happy to have them unpaired at the end!
No.7296
>>7294>Ciel/Lizzie moments always make me wonder where the "incest is gross!!!" people disappear to. They don't exist because it's never about problematic shit, it's always about m/m and fujos. I have yet to see a single anti condemning one of the million older male/loli ships or official pairings that are everywhere in anime and manga.
No.7297
>>7294>I hope one day authors will understand that an organic fujo audience is a blessingI don't understand the visceral fujo hatred either but feel like it's related to an obsessive disgust of gay ships. People always act as if some harmless fan shipping would somehow dirty and corrupt the characters forever. This can go as far as a creator killing their character in disgust or doing other dumb shit with him because he's "ruined" to them.
Remember all the "ruined my childhood" crap that you see everywhere popping up whenever some boomer or casual discovers fujo fanart of a series they loved as teen or a sequel that makes a character gay.
2024 AD and the best we can still hope for is that an obvious ship won't get canonically negated.
No.7298
>>7294>an organic fujo audience is a blessingit is indeed, and moid mangakas know this full well with all the fujo pandering they do in shonen. women are where the money is at, they're the ones buying merch and boosting the series' popularity through fan content and engaging in communities. men pirate everything and only talk about animanga in passing with their irl friends, if even that. yet fujos are the ones getting trolled and having the rug pulled out from. notice how they kill off husbandos and destroy m/m ships when the series has already made millions, and never before that
No.7299
>>7288>the author saw the masses of gay fanart, got disgusted by it and back-stabbed all fujo fans.This sounds absolutely horrible, and I'm sorry. I don't know why writers have to become so bitter when people start shipping characters who weren't intended to be viewed that way. If it really bothers them, they should just ignore the shipping and write the story they intended to write instead of trying to get one over on fujos (who are supporting the story in the first place). There were some posts on Lolcow recently about some VN dev who got pissy that people were shipping two male characters, and made a massive post whining about being cyberbullied by fujos because he didn't make the ship canon and spitefully killed off one of the boys. It's such lame, childish behavior.
>>7286>the game had a sequel bait ending and I simply don't want any more material of the terrible hetero pair involving half of my OTP that becomes canon at the very endI feel this. Sometimes, it's better to let something end on a high note instead of watching it get utterly destroyed.
No.7300
>>7298Yeah that's the think. I honestly wish there was no bait at all if it always ends up horribly. I guess BNHA fans are lucky, but this is the exception.
I am so suck of people baiting so that the dumb fujos give me money and shaft all of them hard before the series ends or the characters in question disappear to make clear that I hate them to their guts because they don't masturbate to my harem, traps or little girl molestation as it should be.
No.7301
>>7243>so one of the characters is "5" since his surname starts with "go", the other character has two numbers.I think I know which one you're talking about.
572? No.7302
>>7296>older male/loli shipsRika/Terada maybe but that got retconned. To be fair a lot of classic het ships from shoujo or shonen have also seen backlash if there's an age gap or they're villain/heroine or something, like Ichigo/Kisshu, and people tried to cancel Yato/Hiyori from Noragami as well but the established fanbase was so big and the only ship that anyone even cared about, so it didn't get enough of a foothold to drive people out. Most people these days still do aged up stuff just to be 'safe' however.
Not to mention Magnet and Luka/Miku getting cancelled over Miku being a teen lmfao.
No.7303
>>7299>There were some posts on Lolcow recently about some VN dev who got pissy that people were shipping two male characters, and made a massive post whining about being cyberbullied by fujos because he didn't make the ship canon and spitefully killed off one of the boys. It's such lame, childish behavior.Oh god I have seen this in twitter. I swear this shit only happens to fujos. Fuck men and their gay paranoia. I guess they feel threatened by their own characters if one of them comes off as gay so they have to kill him.
I am the anon you reply to btw, I said it before, but I should emphasize that the dude that was written out of the story and who confirmed that he never viewed the other as friend was the super gay one. Both felt very gay, but he was openly aggressively so, the other one more passive.
So I find it super sus that it was he who left and not the other one, where one could still buy it. He left friends and family behind for years in-universe to live together with the other dude, risked his life and learned fighting techniques all while.. hating it and wanting to go back?? Come the fuck on.
I swear the fucking author decided to open twitter for the first time and this is why it happened then. Like how the Ousama Ranking mangaka killed his own series after googling himself and seeing a hate post. Ban male writers from using social media.
No.7304
>>7303why are men so weird about other people enjoying what they produce the way they want. i dont give two shits about game of thrones, but i find it hilarious in the worst way possible how martin doesnt want people to write fanfictions of the series. id feel flattered if people liked something i created enough to come up with fan content, no matter if i supported their headcanons or not
No.7306
>>7304This is an unpopular opinion, but tbh things are just taken way too far. Fandom is 90% just bad fanfiction nowadays, I can sympathize with wanting people to actually enjoy and discuss your work rather than look at it as a fastfood toy you can throw out when you get tired of smashing it with another toy.
That, and the whole deal of the kid committing suicide after erping with an AI bot of one of his characters too much.
Less fanfiction and headcanons would honestly fix a lot of what is obnoxious about fandoms. At least, I wished it was easier to call out people who didn't read or care about the original work but still write fanfiction despite not being fans in the slightest.
No.7307
>>7294>I still believe the theory that this is why Akito Fruits Basket was revealed to be a woman.I didn't see what the fandom was like at all when the manga was still ongoing, so I read the manga without seeing any spoilers and was shocked by that plot twist back then in middle school long ago. I read that the plot twist was planned as soon as the manga started but I don't remember where. For some reason I never noticed that Natsuki Takaya dislikes BL. I have the manga in French, the first editions with all the author notes and in the 4th volume with all the scenes where Ayame and Shigure act like an annoying as fuck gay couple there was a super vague author note that was worded like
>It's not obvious because of these chapters but I actually don't like "that" (laughs)and I only very recently realized she was talking about BL here after I saw people talking about it and after seeing her aggressively shipping Felix and the female MC from FE3H on twitter. The translation of the manga is a bit fucked up though so it's easy to miss a lot of stuff. Like the gag when Ayame says he'd be the uke if all the boys at his school would fuck him is translated as a joke about football even if it's still gay.
Now that I think about it, I wonder how Shigure/Akito would have been received by fans if Akito were a guy and not a crossdressing woman. It's not like Akito being a woman changes anything with how the curse works, she can hug all the cursed guys and they don't transform into animals anyway. I think it could have made sense.
No.7308
>>7304I would like to know that too. Just don't look it up what the fuck.
Want to hear something funny?
I was friends with a guy that rage-deleted his webcomic he was working on for a year because fans liked the villain the most because he was old (like mid 40s) but hot, threw tantrums and was an older gap moe occultist whereas the MC was a fat, obvious self-insert otaku and the secondary MC a walking info dump device.
I created the design for the wizard btw., which makes it funnier.
You won't ever witness anything spergier than male creators that realise that that fans prefer the wrong character. Not all of them but most. Bless Noda for putting in even more Ogata gayservice when he realised that women love and ship him. We need more men like Noda.
No.7309
>>7306i get your point nona and to an extent, i agree. however in the case of most male creators specifically the reasons for them disliking headcanons and fandom sperging are far from taking a mature critical look at it, which is what makes it all the more infuriating
No.7310
>>7306>That, and the whole deal of the kid committing suicide after erping with an AI bot of one of his characters too much.This is off-topic but I am the guy that never believes these headlines. The AI "friend" was the result of loneliness, alienation and serious mental issues and the parents blame the AI, the video game or whatever else the kid is obsessed with instead of their neglectful parenting, problems at school and other shit. Martin might still feel guilty but he shouldn't.
>Less fanfiction and headcanons would honestly fix a lot I didn't read his posts but doubt that he's just angry at a specific type of fics. Usually such people hate all of them including the good shit.
No.7311
>>7310ntayrt, to add to this martin has revealed he does not want fanfiction of his works years before character ai was even a thing. this was not a reaction to the news of the suicide, it was simply his moid ego
No.7312
>>7307>I didn't see what the fandom was like at all when the manga was still ongoingI did not have a horse in the Furuba race (all I did was beta read a friend's Yuki/Kyou fics lol) so it was funny to watch so many people drop the ship while others got on board now that it was hetero. Interesting litmus test for "do you actually like the ship dynamic or are you just in it for TEH YAOIS".
>seeing her aggressively shipping Felix and the female MC from FE3H on twitterThis explains so much, holy shit.
No.7314
>>7303> He left friends and family behind for years in-universe to live together with the other dude, risked his life and learned fighting techniques all while.. hating it and wanting to go back?? Come the fuck on.AYRT and it's so weird that the author felt the need to shoot down the ship instead of just allowing it to exist. From what you describe, the way the author wrote the one character out of the series sounds like it was an OOC decision for the character to make, and probably had no buildup.
>Ban male writers from using social media.I agree that they should just stay off of social media entirely if they're so fragile that they cannot handle the emotional pain of seeing people interpret their work in a different way from what was intended. If you put a story into the world, people are going to have different interpretations and opinions; that's kind of the beauty of storytelling. Robbing the audience of the ability to interpret their work is doing their story a disservice.
>>7304>i find it hilarious in the worst way possible how martin doesnt want people to write fanfictions of the seriesClearly, he's scared someone's going to come up with a better ending to the series than he can, and he's worried about experiencing the same amount of backlash as the show did for its shitty ending lmao.
>>7306I have mixed feelings on this. I legitimately didn't start reading fanfiction until last year because I didn't understand the appeal, and even now, I only read it for one fandom. I was always of the mindset that fanfiction can never capture the essence of the thing I liked, and is plagued with mischaracterizations and AUs that fundamentally destroy what made the characters interesting in the first place. However, I do think there's something nice about people putting so much time and effort into creating a work of fiction around a piece of media, especially when that media hasn't been touched by the original creator in years. It's very true that the majority is awful, and I firmly believe that most AUs should just be original fiction with names changed and the serial numbers filed off, but I still think part of the 'spirit' of fandom would be lost without fanfic.
No.7315
>>7304>>7311I have seen male writers claiming that fanwork creating fans and shippers "took their story away from" them and other whiny shit. They don't even come up with the idea that other people might interpret things differently and get a breakdown when they realise they are. It also happens with hetero writing women I think as the Fruit Basket topic shows.
No.7316
>>7312>do you actually like the ship dynamic or are you just in it for TEH YAOISI am one of those people who will drop a ship if it's revealed that it's actually straight. Gender is also a part of dynamics and the dynamics change along with the gender. And yes, I would be more pissed if an assumed gay ship of mine turned out to be straight than the other way around.
No.7317
>>7314>sounds like it was an OOC decision for the character to make, and probably had no buildup. Yes, zero. That's the thing. IIRC a few chapters before he saved the other dude the last second when there was a threat and one (1) chapter before he revealed that he had learned to fight for him. And then he quits? LMAO?
The chapter was also strangely focused on MC and his one-note tradwaifu, something it has never done before. Before, she was just a potential waifu and in that chapter she officially gets together with him? Yeah, no way this is a coincidence, call me crazy.
Maybe it's related to self-insertion and/or heavy projection and idolization. Whenever I see creators seething about gay ships that don't involve the MC they are angry because some homosexual antagonist ships are more popular than the crappy hetero ones they are trying to shill so hard.
Maybe get angry at the lame het fans then for never producing art and not the one fanbase that feeds you.
No.7318
>>7312>This explains so much, holy shit.I know right? I sighted so hard when I saw this at first. I don't even know how to describe the impression she gave me when I saw that shit.
>Interesting litmus test for "do you actually like the ship dynamic or are you just in it for TEH YAOIS". I can't really say I ever shipped them, but they're interesting characters separately and together.
I still think Akito's ending was too good for everything she did. She needed to be dragged to jail for multiple counts of attempt murder instead of just crying in Tohru's arms and feeling better 5 minutes later but then again she's filthy rich so she could corrupt anyone outside of the family I guess. At least nobody tried to force everyone to forgive her. Fruits Basket should have stayed a comedy.>>7316In that specific story the characters being men or women determines way too many important things so I get it. But at the same time with these two specific characters I think they would have still interacted the exact same way if they were just both men. The only really weird thing would be
Kureno would need to be into men too to preserve the love triangle and Shigure fucking Akito's BPD mother would look even moreout of place with the rest of the series. No.7319
>>7316>Gender is also a part of dynamics and the dynamics change along with the gender. This. Also it's not like most mangaka could write women normally. You just know the second that a character is revealed to be a women s/he will change and become super soft and lovely because that's how women have to be. But even if it doesn't change it changes something about the dynamic and not even talking about the sex parts you headcanon.
No.7345
>>7329lol this is part of the reason for why I am hesitant posting porn on my main. A few comic artists and a writer follow me. But then again it's the fucking transformer fandom and they must see 200 porn fanarts a day. Most commissions they do involve gay kissing too. So.. whatever.
But I know this feeling. I made a new account as well to sperg about some ugly older human men I am obsessed with. Feels good being so free. Though I mostly did it to keep the other account robot-only.
No.7348
I never understood why gayness is seen as weakness by most men when the guy in question is the topping part. Men brag so much about how manly they are and then they want to only want to fuck some naive, little girl because everybody else including actual women is scary.
By the logic of manliness it should be the opposite. The manliest motherfuckers would fuck other manly men, proving that even other men pale in comparison to them. Instead they all want little underaged moe girls or lolis. It's like bragging with being courageous but refusing to leave the house after nightfall because darkness made you weak.
No.7349
>>7348>I never understood why gayness is seen as weakness by most men when the guy in question is the topping part. Ancient Greek mindset. Return to tradition.
No.7351
I randomly got nostalgic for 2013–2014 and I’m thinking about rewatching AoT, or at least the first season of it (which is all I ever watched). But I also remembered the discourse and absolute shitstorm of drama that happened when the manga ended a while back and I don’t want to deal with that again. I don’t even recall specific details, it was just half of my tumblr dash having a week-long meltdown. But, as said, I’m nostalgic for that first season and I’m admittedly curious to see what the big deal was with the drama. Is it worth it, nonnas? Or should I just let my nostalgia stay untouched?
No.7352
>>7351Knowing what I do now, all Attack on Titan was good for was the first season putting seeds in fujo minds that sprouted as all the fanfiction that got posted during summer 2014. Anything that came after it was so muddled or uninteresting I actually feel bad for other fujos who kept reading/watching until the end.
AoT is probably the one fandom I will forgive for having so much AU bullshit because at the very least it passes as decent "original" gay fiction, lol.
I think because it goes sour so fast (around the Historia reveal, imo) you could actually keep your nostalgia safe. It's basically two different shows after that point.
No.7354
>>7352Thanks for weighing in. And yeah, all the fic and fanart and AU bullshit that used the show as a springboard is (embarrassingly) at least half of the nostalgia for me. I was actually shocked to find out that the anime had wrapped up so recently because, aside from the drama, I hadn’t heard anything about it since that initial era of popularity. But anyway, I’ll keep that in mind as a stopping point, if/when I get around to it. And I don’t have to make up my mind about watching it that soon since I’m also doing a Death Note rewatch currently (basically reliving all of my nostalgia at this point, lmao).
No.7355
>>7354>fic and fanart and AU bullshit that used the show as a springboard is (embarrassingly) at least half of the nostalgia for meNah I'm in the same boat, no shame. I think a lot of people are to be honest, especially because of the big gap between S1 and S2. The only people I ever saw discuss post-S1 AoT are Erehisu copium huffers on /a/ and fujos who probably dropped it after
Erwin died. I didn't follow it closely but I would check in every so often for the spectacle. Train wrecks are actually kind of fun when you get off at the station before they happen. ┐(︶▽︶)┌
This actually made me go back and look up some of the fanfics I remember reading–a lot of them still aren't finished! It's also crazy to look at characters that ultimately do/mean fuckall (I am thinking of Marco mostly) in the long run get a library's worth of fanfiction.
I will say though there is some admiration towards Isayama in writing whatever stupid shit he felt like and not seeming to be influenced by any kind of fandom or sales metrics. AoT is like an evil version of Houseki no Kuni to me–I went in expecting more of the first season and got something completely different.
No.7359
Attack on titan is one of the first places where I started noticing that if the premise of a series is 'mysterious monster/monsters' I start to lose interest once the mystery is explained.
No.7363
>>7355>not seeming to be influenced by any kind of fandom or sales metricslol no. He said the first season's popularity made him change the ending he planned at first. I liked the first season a lot, and when he said that in an interview it pissed me off the much I dropped the manga and stopped waiting for the second season.
No.7365
>>7363>adjust story based on reaction to S1>still choose to do All of ThatIt's not that I don't believe you (I googled the post) but oh my god lmao
No.7366
>>7365When I heard about how the manga ended I felt vindicated. I was glad I didn't buy too many of the manga volumes and sold them when the series was gaining popularity, there's nothing worse than getting invested in a series with a really good start and it reaches a point where it gets so bad you wish you never started it.
No.7367
>>7366> there's nothing worse than getting invested in a series with a really good start and it reaches a point where it gets so bad you wish you never started it.I hate how this is my general experience with every WJS and a lot of other manga. I hate getting into something and realise that I missed all the hype and active fujo accounts when I start a series ages after it ended but I almost always experience THIS shit whenever I start a series early.
I don't know why mangaka can't just stick to the shit that made the first arcs good. Sure there is always development, but I am so fucking tired of genre changes, forced subversion of expectations, comedy-heavy series turning to super serious shit that makes all characters you like suffer, turning gay characters into het or killing them (I am not into Ymir/Historia but I would have set a building aflame if I was considering how they've ended up) or other crap that erases 100% of everything that made the first season good.
I series I loved to death before is no rushing through shit so fast it turned to pure crap. The mangaka is obviously not interested anymore and it happens right with that one arc I was waiting for since the start. You cannot even talk about these things on /a/ because the majority doesn't give a shit about anything but MC and his potential waifu so they will just tell you to stop whining and pretend that a series was still good since they don't give a shit about writing.
In that sense I am happy about the end of AoT. It made
MC fags cry like bitches. Well deserved.
No.7372
>>7367I could have written this. I'm at this point in life where I'd rather miss out on fun fandom stuff and start a manga or anime once it reaches a point where I know I'll enjoy it instead of starting a series early and be disappointed. I've been disappointed way too often by now, and when I look back on how I enjoyed reading things that turned to shit later after I already started buy the manga I realize how much time and money I wasted on these series.
>comedy-heavy series turning to super serious shit that makes all characters you like sufferI can't stand that shit. It only works when there's a good balance between comedy and drama, but the only series I like that fits the bill is Gintama. I heard Sakamoto Days is turning into that so I know I won't read this manga no matter how many people recommend it online. I can think of other series but they're more like serious stories that have comedic scenes here and there to give a break to the audience.
>I don't know why mangaka can't just stick to the shit that made the first arcs good.For long series it kind of makes sense but you mentioned WSJ and in these cases it's either
>the mangaka is terrible at writing stories and the first editor(s) helped a lot and gave good ideas to the mangaka, then the manga becomes successful and the series gets so long there are several editors replacing the first one and they become "yes men" who agree with every stupid ideas the mangaka has (Naruto, I wish the first editors didn't do such a good job and let Kishimoto make a shitty furry manga)>the mangaka has a good idea about the story from the beginning, has a set idea on the beginning, the end, the middle of the story and the main characters, but the story is too "out there" and "weird" and not trendy enough for 10 years old shonentards so the first editor forces the mangaka to make something a lot more generic. The series takes off, the editor gets replaced and the mangaka finally makes what he wanted to do at first but has to not contradict the plot points introduced at the beginning or has to drop these plot points (JJK and how it wasn't supposed to take place in a school but the editor of the very first JJK0 chapter only agreed to publish the series if Gege forced himself to make everything happen in a school or if he replaced Rika and her tragic love story with Yuta with Oda Nobunaga)The longer the series the worst it gets.
No.7374
>>7359Yeah the origin story can never live up to the expectations, as was with AoT as well. I really enjoyed the mystery around the titans and where they came from but when the series started overexplaining their taxonomy and getting into all this politics autism I lost interest immediately. The characters are so stock the mystery of the titans was the only thing keeping that thing afloat and once it was taken away it became just your run of the mill male power fantasy slop.
No.7375
>>7367>Ymir/HistoriaI'm good pals with a hime and I remember her losing it after what they did to those two
No.7377
>>7367I'm
>>7286 and I have this experience a lot with anime/manga/games, to the point where I'm HAPPY if I can try something new and it doesn't give me brainrot. I have my OTPs stored in cryostasis and if I am promised any more canon material with them I actually get more anxious than excited.
So much of the groundwork that "made" me a fujoshi was purely incidental and now that people in the creation pipeline know about fujos/shipping in a way and with a speed they didn't before I am always worried that any addition to canon long finished will end up like what happened to
>>7288.
The solution to this is to just Read Books for Adults because they don't give me brainrot, but I'm butthurt that it seems like my junkfood media is getting the sugar cut out of it. I don't have a ship newer than 2016, feels weird!
No.7378
Guess it ends up being either of two types, those that like the source material and then ship characters they like together as an added bonus and those that focus on shipping first and having to endure with everything else attached to it.
The first used to be much more popular, but nowadays it really is the latter.
No.7389
It surprises me sometimes what sort of western stuff gets traction in other regions. Just happened to find out that there's chinese Degrees of Lewdity fanartists on twitter.
No.7393
>>7389chinese dol fanart is a guilty pleasure of mine kek. something i’d never expect to exist and yet i’m so glad that it does.
No.7403
Recently every bl I've been reading has had at least 100+ people die.
Don't have a problem with that but I think it's pretty funny.
No.7409
>>7408Maybe it'll be like a free situation where if we hype it up enough it'll become it's own thing..? Or so if like to hope
No.7411
Seems like the butterfly site is ran by braindead antis and is cracking down on not just shota but also really stupid shit that even deviantArt allows like guro and furries?… I give them two weeks before NSFW content is completely banned and the majority of the artists on that site flock back to Twitter because art sites are a dying niche and competition is non existent.
No.7412
>>7411What's worse than everything being condensed into a few walled gardens? Everything being balkanized into a million walled gardens with their own login systems that have to be accessed separately. I miss social media aggregators where you could follow all your feeds with one app. But, I digress.
How much of a fujo presence did the butterfly site manage to have? I noticed a lot of JP artists crossposting stuff to both Xitter/BSky but not many abandoning Xitter altogether. Not to mention I've seen JP fujos on other stuff like Misskey, Crepu, Taitsu, Xfolio, etc etc etc christ I can't keep track of all this shit.
No.7413
>>7411If they're cracking down on furries that's just good in my books, I haven't personally seen that many antis but the fucking site is flooded with furries. Every single tag is overtaken by them.
>>7412It could be just my corner of the internet but a lot of fujo artists I followed on Twitter created an account for Bluesky and dumped their art there but I guess they need that final push to migrate over for good. Twitter is so big in Japan that they're having a hard time moving, but the AI thing really made them reconsider. I really can't be assed with all their billion native sites though, Misskey seemed to be full of loli porn the last time I checked anyway.
No.7414
>>7413I've started using bsky to follow some Japanese fanartists who moved (and aren't double posting to twitter) but fandom people are too dependent on twitter for media updates (official accounts etc) people are going to stick around until/if those also move. Twitter has kind of been the center of Japanese internet for more than a decade so the steep decline hits them harder.
No.7415
>>7411Didn't notice anything so far my bsky is still full of porn but I am neither into shota nor furry and didn't see any furry fags so far. I mean artists rarely ever post porn directly on twitter either they usually link privatter and poipiku, bsky is the first place for ages that shows nsfw directly.
>>7413Same, I post on both places now but only check bsky once a day since it's still dead despite the many new accounts. Half of the Asian artists of my fandom are still twitter onlies or only use bsky to dump.
No.7416
>>7414I've seen a lot of Japanese people hoping that official account could move to bluesky, many of them seem to be k with switching to another platform if enough accounts will do it as well. Social media are tricky for this reason, the features don't matter if nobody bother making accounts in the first place, but people keep bitching when the big websites implement things they don't like. Plenty of artists I follow use bluesky and twitter at the same time but some of the ones who complained stick to twitter and only post things related to events, they stopped posting their art.
No.7417
Everybody who thinks that their art is safe on bsky is retarded.
I also wish people would stop with these god awful watermarks. I rather shoot myself in the head than fucking my artworks up with that and it's annoying saving so much technically great fanart that looks like shit because of it. You cannot even post it or shill the series with it anymore since the dumb watermarks are too distracting.
No.7418
>>7417>You cannot even post it or shill the series with it anymore since the dumb watermarks are too distracting.That's exactly why they put watermarks on their art. Did you think it was just to decorate it?
No.7419
>>7418You cannot post them because it's ugly as shit.
So yes, it's stupid to make your art ugly. If they are so paranoid about it they should stop using online platforms at all and just show it to their IRL friends or something. I genuinely fail to see the point of working 20h on an artwork just to make it look like shit.
No.7420
>>7412>How much of a fujo presence did the butterfly site manage to have?Mixed bag. On the western side a lot of the "old school" fujos I follow jumped and it actually has a weeaboo majority out of all my follows (did not expect this given how big jp Twitter is). On the jp side it's mostly art dumps as has been said already. That's fine with me since I can't read moonrunes.
I kind of want to start reporting big artists who draw girl characters I know are underage just to drum up some backlash that would matter, but I'm not sure if that would help or hurt the current situation (which seems to be a mix of automod and 'this drawing makes me uncomfy').
No.7422
>>7419Feels like in the end it simply comes down to a culture clash thing. Same with JP artists who will nuke their entire pixiv gallery for whatever reason.
No.7423
>>7412They exist but finding good starter packs and feeds without the Troon crap is getting to me, nonnas. I'm looking to draw and do more bl content but I'm not sure if my current brand of followers would appreciate that.
No.7424
>>7420>but I'm not sure if that would help or hurt the current situation (which seems to be a mix of automod and 'this drawing makes me uncomfy').There aren't a lot of bluesky employees right now and they've received a disproportionate amount of reports recently because the number of users increased very suddenly, mostly reports of CP so they're prioritizing investigating those first. I doubt reporting art will work very fast, I know they're strict with loli and shota art but if there's really a lot of actual CP and they're not empty reports by people just trying to get rid of other users I'm not sure what the employees will do.
>>7419>If they are so paranoid about it they should stop using online platforms at all and just show it to their IRL friends or something.That's what's everyone is talking about, either jokingly or seriously. I've seen a lot of viral tweets recently about Japanese artists shitposting, saying "hmm but what if we stopped posting art and fanfics online and just showed it to our friends irl? What if we just printed everything and sold them irl? Maybe once or twice a year? During a big event? [insert thinking emoji]", many others only post previews of their next doujinshi and nothing else on twitter and pixiv, I've seen a few big artists in a fandom deleting their twitter accounts and only posting updates on bluesky, etc.
>I genuinely fail to see the point of working 20h on an artwork just to make it look like shit.I'm sure they share it with irl friends without a watermark and it's enough for them. Or they sell their art later so you can enjoy the art without watermarks if you can get a physical copy. Either way, there's no way they don't keep a copy of their art without watermarks and if they're the type of people who don't hesitate to nuke their accounts they must not give a shit in general.
No.7428
>>7427There's a stark difference between a company forcing you to hand over the rights to your work and some third party scraping websites for data. For example, if Twitter really wanted to, they could create a model based on your tweets and just mock your work completely and you can't do shit about it because you gave them the permission by agreeing to their terms. Third party scrapers are doing so without your consent, so you have more legal grounds on your side.
No.7439
Is making a game an easiest way to garner a fandom these days? I want it for free non-con fanart and fics
No.7440
>>74391. Make a game with bishies in compromising plots
2. Make the bishies almost incestous (if you’re into that)
3. Publicly announce you want them to not be sexualized in any way or form
4. Profit from all morality wank and counter spite noncon that comes your way.
No.7442
I feel like the clip studio paint 3D model feature is a noob trap for me. I probably won't learn anything about anatomy, posing and body types if all I can do is sketch over a 3D model.
No.7455
>>7442This almost happened to me, but soon I realized how annoying it is to rely on 3D models all the time so I just started grinding studies on my own. Now I only use them for composition.
No.7456
Speaking of art, how do I stop rushing and being lazy? I feel I don't have the drive to get shit done anymore like my hyperfocus is off.
No.7462
It's probably because I am legit autistic but it's crazy how I always get into the same dynamic and said dynamic is "antagonist/his sidekick". 20 years of being into 2D and every single pairing I ever cared about is like that save for two where it was MC/villain, respectively villain underling 1/villain underling 2.
I get the villain part, but it would be a bloggy and psychological text wall had I to explain it. The more mysterious question is why it has to be the sidekick? Maybe because villains tend to have one since earliest cartoon days? And they are usually very close and feel gay even in series with 0 gay pandering. They are also mutually assisting each other, have the same goal and one of them is adoring and working for the other, so it warms my heart in a particular seeing them. Being antagonists also make it better for giving characters that are usually depicted as one-dimensional or evil an additional layer of humanity, since they happen to have bonds as well.
The negative part: it makes the majority of series and most BL completely useless to me since I can't get into protags. And nowadays actual antagonists seem to become rarer IMO. Series are more likely to deal with daily problems, multiple smaller antagonists or rivals instead of an actual permanent antag and even if they exist and is neither a girl nor a shota (sorry but I hate children) it's getting rarer and rare for them to have a permanent (male) side kick.
It's seems to be a more oldschool trope that isn't common anymore and that kills me inside and makes the depressions worse lol
No.7463
>>7462>"antagonist/his sidekick"If you handle western animation, canon m/f, and polyamory you might really like The Venture Brothers.
No.7464
contemplating nuking all my socials/mutuals so I can freely post on here without having my interests/art linked back. im tired of having to orbit around fakejoshis that only make canon x oc content thats thinly veiled yumeshit with a fakeboi oc. I just want to talk about honest to god YAOI with 2 MALES for crying out loud
No.7465
>>7464Reminds me of Gimmie20Dolla. They (I think it's a dude but i dunno) started off in drawthreads and /vg/ and made a twitter. Turned into a massive Persona artist with a gigantic following. But because of that, they probably can never draw elsewhere.
Or post half of the things that would fly if they did not have said audience.
I'd say keep your socials and just never claim any art you post is yours. Make it look like yet another anon reposting with no credit.
No.7466
>>7465Youre right maybe I wont deactivate just yet. It wont really be a loss anyways if my art/ship does get linked back here and I lose the mutuals. Hell I might even just own up to it so the fakejoshis can finally leave me alone and i can fully sperge about my interests in peace
No.7467
>>7464lel I feel this. I kinda want to post WIPs and shit but I am the only western fucker in both of my fandoms that draws the respective couples so everybody could find my twitter account even if the pic I post here /wip) isn't the same as the finished one I post there lmao
Especially with FC being so slow I get more anxious because once you know my pairings you can probably recognize me in other threads as well. Being a rare shipper or into anime that are unpopular in the west is painful.
No.7468
>>7467I've fully embraced the fact that I'm recognizable here and might be found out on my socials. I feel like it's kinda inevitable due to how small FC is.
No.7469
>>7468That's a good point too yeah. Maybe FC is closer to a big discord but without the drama and without names.
I am sure that other nonnas could have found me already if they looked certain pairings up that someone here (me) has posted on twitter if they also noticed that there is only one ENG tard drawing them lol
In the end nonnas should be chill so it's no issue. And if they aren't in the same fandom (which is likely) nobody will care anyway so maybe I am worrying too much.
No.7470
>>7469so far the only nona ive found on social media was someone who directly mentioned fc on their account. other than that, most people are lazy and probably wouldnt go through the effort of trying to dig through keyterms to link back an account.
No.7471
>>7464I went through the same conundrum and just decided to say fuck it and not care. I've seen artists that've posted on 4chan and LC were never called out for it, so the chances of anyone lurking FC and exposing you for it is dramatically less.
No.7472
>>7471AFAIK there's at least one nonna that got linked back to here, but I don't know the exacts other than the fandom and ship.
No.7473
>>7472What ship was it? I hope she didn't get into any shit because of it. But yeah if you post anything identifying like a niche interest/fanfic/fanart then you have to accept the possibility of getting found out. I'm banking on the fact that never happens but if I get confronted about being a poster I have no problem admitting to it.
No.7474
>>7473ntayrt but i think it was the suoucest (persona 2) poster from a little while back, could be wrong though
No.7475
>>7473>>7474Yeah that's me (still here)To be honest, after that happened, nowadays I really don't put that much emphasis on hiding where I am/where I post/how I talk. I'm usually the only person that likes a respective ship/character and when I mean that I look through EVERYWHERE to find content or talk about something, I mean it. And chances are, "oh hey anon I recognize you, godspeed" and that's fine by me. I've been posting on chans before most people in fandom were even born and that's not gonna stop. I have a vision and a dedication and I try to see it true.I post scarcely otherwise, usually about fandom complaints, or threads about diverse interests.What's interesting is that supposedly my issue was some drama that wasn't even about my posts about my ships at all, but trying to link me to multiple anons for whatever reasonBut yeah, honestly, nonnas that are a bit in more 'popular' fandoms and such I can understand feeling afraid. Specially if you're a tad bit more popular and you're just wanting to have a breathing space
No.7477
>>74714chan already found me multiple times but tbh I didn't care much. I just said that I like some character the most and one time casually mentioned being an artfag so two of them asked me if I was [name] on twitter because they followed artists of that series there and it's not hard counting 1 and 1 together, especially if you have a certain number of followers or if you are the only western artist for a character or ship.
I think I am rather afraid of becoming recognizable on a slow board like FC itself. Not that nonnas find my twitter account (that doesn't sound like an issue) but that I lose some of my anonymity here once you know that I am artist and visit my account to learn that I also draw for that other series X, and that third series Y. You can then rightfully assume that FC posts about X or Y are mine, same as posts about the rare pair from the first series. And that's the thing I want to avoid.
It would be irrelevant on 4chan or on a more active FC since you cannot tell anymore if every thread for each of these series has a larger bunch of active posters and more than one anon being into the ships in question.
No.7480
>>7477Meant more in the vein of
>>7466 talking about even fakejoshis knowing about it and losing mutuals (implying her posting habits get publicly mentioned unless I interpreted wrong). Upthread mentioned g20d and everyone on /pg/ recognizes her Twitter but I haven't seen her get in trouble for posting on le racist nazi site. I understand the concern about having your posts recognized across the board though.
No.7487
>>7486IIRC her stuff is on
https://kemono.su/ if you want to see the art of your ships but not reward shotgun multishipping. I like Kukumomo's art but she made me see Kaeya/Amber with my own 2 eyes so I don't really feel guilty taking a peek behind the curtain when something I actually want to see comes up in her roulette of works.
No.7488
>>7486Never happened to me so far. I never saw an artist with a patreon drawing any of my shit AFAIK.
I guess none of the stuff I like is mainstream enough.
No.7490
>>7489I got Clear for 60 and Aoba for 90, but yeah they’re expensive…
Doesn’t stop me from buying too many nendos though.
No.7491
>>7487Hot DAMN thank you for the good food! I will eagerly await for when more meteor artworks get posted ^///^
tysm again, i owe you my life nona!!!!
No.7492
>>7484So happy to have bought Clear when he was released, those prices are too much… I'll have to look for not-too-pricey Aoba, after I buy Kuroko to pair with Kise ofc
No.7497
>>7492I’ve seen Aoba go for not godawful prices on Xianyu (honestly that’s where I usually get good deals on nendos) but it’s a pain in the ass to set up and you still have to use a Chinese proxy+avoid bootleg crap (which to be fair isn’t super common since it’s mostly Chinese people selling Japanese stuff)
No.7498
>>7496Pringles tube is just giving me the mental image of a gaping asshole I'm sorry kek
No.7499
>>7498That’s literally what it is kek
No.7500
I’m starting doubting myself of being true or fake fujo. I like m/m, het, f/f periodically, platonic family and human/demon dynamics.
No.7501
>>7500If being a fujo requires you to only like M/M I've been a fakejoshi for over a decade.
No.7502
>>7500>>7501You're both fake fujos :p.
I don't see value in assigning or stressing over purity, just like what you like and if your hobby is causing you stress then something has gone wrong.
No.7504
>>7497Hey thanks for the tip, I'll check it later since I've dealt with proxies since Tourabu(the game) was released so that's alright. It makes sense that Yaoi God is so expensive but ¥15,000 is like my maximum amount to spend on a nendo of a character I really like…
>>7503What a cute drawing! I know nothing but out-of-context spoilers about SubaHibi but Takuji is pretty cute, I may read it next year when I have time and finish my backlog
No.7505
>>7504>It makes sense that Yaoi God is so expensive but ¥15,000 is like my maximum amount to spend on a nendo of a character I really likeI have most of the ones I want luckily, I'm currently bargin hunting for Rena (I wanna commission some cuter doll clothes when I get her though.)
BL ones are usually mad expensive though, I think the junjou romantica ones are also going for a spicy penny currently.
>I may read it next year when I have time and finish my backlogI'd stop reading after you finish the looking glass insects chapter since after that the VN gets real shitty, but everything involving Takuji is god tier especially if you like schizo shit.
Basically same for TNS, it's just a lot shorter and has gay stuff at the end.
No.7506
>>7500For me it comes down to the question of "If a genie gave me a ton of money for doujin shopping but I was only allowed to buy one type of couple, what would it be?" I would always buy BL doujins even though normally I sometimes look at het content too.
No.7507
>>7506It’s actually really cool test. I wish I could commission Asian artists to make dj and hire voice actors to hear dirty talk and moans of my troll boys if I had a mil, of course.
No.7510
>>7505I'm really interested in the but I don't know how accessable it is to download, I've heard there's a fan translation out though
No.7511
>>7501I think usually your main interest is what you are, fujos primary interest is bl, so it's a bit like when furries just draw furries all the time and barely ever draw human characters.
No.7513
>>7509Thank you!!!! I am pretty sure you're right.
>>7510NTA but the translation for Tsui no Sora can be found through a link on VNDB. The game is also pretty easy to find. Subahibi (which is imo a bit better than TnS) has an official TL that you can buy from a bunch of official storefronts, including Steam.
No.7514
>>7513>I am pretty sure you're right.Checked and it's there!
>has an official TL that you can buy from a bunch of official storefronts, including Steam.Steam ver just needs a patch since they cut out everything but the first chapter kek (so it's easier to just buy it from JAST's site)
Getting the anniversary patch also isn't a bad idea since it gives the male characters (aside from Takuji who already had it) voices.
No.7515
>>7505I've been sitting on the last chapter of Subahibi for months now and half of it is that "I don't want it to be over" feeling and the other half is "yeah it kinda fell off after the camera was no longer focused on the school stuff" so I am no longer glued to it like I was. I really loved how LGI gave me a cute copium route!
No.7517
>>7515I feel like my tier list pretty much sums up why I don't like the chapters after LGI kek.
I'll say this, I think the secret ending of the VN is pretty entertaining and it has one of the best EDs I've seen so if you do finish it then I'd play it for that.
Overall though I'd say my favorite ending is The alternate ending for IMOI
No.7519
>>7513>the translation for Tsui no Sora can be found through a link on VNDB. The game is also pretty easy to find.I wasn't part of this conversation but I looked up these VNs out of curiosity and I was wondering if you're supposed to play the original or the remake. VN remakes sometimes aren't received well, like I heard negative opinions on the yu-no remake.
No.7520
>>7515I also kind of had that feeling, but I just wanted it to end past Insects because I did not find Tomosane interesting. He's so bland compared to the other protagonists, and it's very telling that he's the only one who's not voice acted (very obvious self-insert). It's still one of my favorite VNs, and it's worth finishing because it'll never feel 'complete' until you do. At the same time, the chapters focusing on Tomosane and his annoying sister are an objective downgrade.
>>7517>the secret ending of the VN is pretty entertainingThis was the only ending of the three "main" ends (not counting stuff like the kino end to Inventions or the happy ending of Insects) that I could personally accept. The other two just felt so weird and jarring comparatively. Tomosane was a mistake.
>>7519AYRT and the original TnS does not have an English TL. The remake is the one I was referring to. The remake is an expanded version of the original that adds some connections to Subahibi. I have not read the original TnS, but it's supposed to be… not fantastic, and most people I've seen say the remake is better, but I obviously can't say if I agree. Subahibi was created after the original TnS, and uses the same characters and basic story premise, but is much longer than either TnS or the TnS Remake. The TnS Remake was created after Subahibi, and was packaged with the 10th Anniversary Edition, if I recall. They're all sort of variants of the same story skeleton, with Subahibi being the most different, if that makes sense.
No.7521
>>7520>the original TnS does not have an English TL.My bad, I glanced at the vndb page and saw an english section but I somehow missed the "TBA" listed for both entries.
No.7522
>>7519Original isn't translated yet and is known for not being very good, it did give us the anime adaptation though which has a cool 2/10 on MAL (it's genuinely hilarious though because it's so awful) the remake is alright, I wouldn't recommend playing it before or instead of Subahibi but there's some interesting stuff they added like an extra route that's quite well done.
>>7520Agreed, fuck Tomosane all my homies hate Tomosane.
Cursed life blessed life is fantastic though, If I were to sum up Subahibi in one song I'd probably pick that one.
No.7523
>>7522>>7520do these visual novels, actually have any gay in them? i've heard a lot of conflicting information on whether or not they do
No.7524
>>7523There is male-on-male noncon
Takuji is coerced into putting on a girl's uniform and giving blowjobs and an okama character but I would not call Subahibi a homo game.
No.7526
Damn it, this sucks. All kinds of people running small businesses won't ship to the EU anymore due to new GPSR regulations and for the most part it hasn't effected me since I completed my ita bag already but there was a custom plush maker I wanted to commission after getting more funds that now won't ship to me anymore unless I get the doll sent to a non-EU address.
No.7528
I found a Korean artist on my Twitter TL who is a big fan of a ship, however they genderswap one of the characters in all their fanart so it's het. It's so confusing to me? Like what's the point?? Self inserting??? But they're also fan of the normal canon version of the character, so?????
No.7529
>>7528I despise people hetwashing gay ships but what arguably annoys me more is when there's a canonically homo character who's in love with another character and they depict him gushing over/groping the regular male version of a character but also his genderbent equivalent, I saw fanart of Ivan/till/female!till and it arguably pissed me off more than outright hetwashing the paring
No.7531
>>7530This is the first time in my life that I am seeing a westerner (or at least English user) use poipiku.
No.7533
>>7532>>7531I've seen it once cause there's an EN speaking artist I'm a regular of who keeps his art account sfw but he was down to take nsfw commissions and when it was finished he put a preview on his page with the full piece hidden behind a poipiku link. Though just now when I wanted to look at it again to see the amount of likes and retweets it looks like he deleted it so I guess he thought it was still too spicy for his main? Lmao.
No.7537
Seems like TikTok getting banned in the US might be finalized in January. I hope everyone starts posting their fan videos on YouTube now instead of just never making new ones.
No.7540
>>7534>>7535>>7539This is making me want to watch the show just so I can make content for this ship. I love the virgin x chad meme dynamic.
No.7541
>>7540I like the show but FYI the chad first appears in episode 10
No.7542
>>7539 >>7535This is really fucking cute. I love dandadan but never cared for the shipping. This is something I can get with
No.7543
>>7534I wish I could get into it since it's the next big FOTM after SxF and whatever that make me feel alienated from the modern anime fandom for hating it.
It's basically just a crazy teen romance and I don't like romances, the design of the guy puts me off and I don't like nerds either. Tried the first episodes and expected to like it because it looked like Mob Psycho and I loved THAT one but I apparently had the wrong impression.
No.7544
>>7543>don't like romances??? huh? then why are you on fujo chan? Unless you like non-canon shipping or something?
No.7545
>>7544NTA but you can like relationships that don't revolve purely around traditional 'in love' romance.
Black Butler's fucked master/servant dynamic is the entire reason people read and watch
No.7546
>>7545Doesn't really flash my lightbulb but eh, the world's a bit place kek
No.7547
>>7544Anon, they're talking about DDD. Most het romance shit is boring.
But I am also with the other anon that I dislike romances in general too. OC BL doesn't appeal to me for that reason, and end up liking shipping instead from regular media.
No.7549
Questions for anons here: How long has your current OTP been your OTP and does it change often? Do you still have lingering feelings for your previous one or do you not care about it anymore?
No.7551
>>7544Many people dislike the romance genre, whether het or BL.
No.7554
>>7549Coincidentally I found a new OTP a short while ago so the answer would be 6 months lol
If you are asking about my other OTP though that I am still shipping and drawing art for it's currently 6 years. I don't think I ever stop caring about any of them, I might just go silent if I find something new years after the older series have ended. I have another ship from 2014 that I am still very much into and reading fics of (they are rare but exist).
>>7544Feel the same as the anons that replied, particularly
>>7547Romance is just an extra spice I don't want the story to revolve around it and all pairings I was ever into were from non-BL media that happens to pander to BL fans, at least with some characters.
No.7555
>>7549Played the game in 2017 and still brainrotting hard. My interest in older OTPs is still there, but I have yet to gain a newer one. IDK if the shipping magic is gone from newer media or what, but nothing since has given me the same level of obsession (writing fanfic, which to me is the undeniable mark of an OTP lol).
No.7556
>>7549Original anon, I recently lost interest in my OTP for a new one. Somehow I went from regularly reading fics and making fanwork for it for the past 2 years to complete indifference in a week. Out of every OTP I've had this was the one I was the most passionate about so the 180 is jarring, I don't know if I just got burnt out from it or something.
No.7557
>>7549I have my current otp since the beginning of the year, from when I started their anime and then watched their arcs.
>Do you still have lingering feelings for your previous one or do you not care about it anymore?It depends on each pairing, usually I still like them but don't feel the urge to read as many fanfics or doujinshi about them or look for as much art as before. It's like I become more "rational" about them with time, like
>>7552 but if there's one pairing I really don't care about anymore it's shizaya.
No.7558
>>7549I just got a new OTP a few days ago, but prior to this one, I had a long dry spell of not being able to connect to a new ship like my old OTPs. And my interest in my old OTPs has been waning for a while now. I still think about them, but I don't seek out content for my old OTPs anymore.
No.7559
>>7555It might just be that your standards or taste has changed. All I needed to get into a ship as teen and young tween was "two antagonists talking" or "hero + antagonist being obsessed with each other" but now there are more conditions that have to be fulfilled for me to care. It doesn't help that newer series are way less likely to have a classic villain or antag unless it's shounen and even FOR shounen you don't get this obsession ala Optimus/Megatron or Guts/Griffith anymore.
>writing fanfic, which to me is the undeniable mark of an OTP lolSame. I know I actually love something when I draw it or write for it. I can like shit but not even bother to save art of it, saving art is the second step. It means I really like it, but it's not right an obsession yet and might wane quickly. Only if I step in to create myself do I know that yes, this is it. This is the next big shit.
I agree it's hard to get into new stuff. Especially because I also need a good role and lore for them. Just two dudes being gay isn't enough for me I need fuel that I can delve into and write an epic about. Modern stories are usually too mundane for my taste.
No.7560
>>7559I was nearly 30 when the 2017 OTP got its hooks in me and while I recognize we are always changing as people I would say I hit the "young person/grownass adult" standard adjustment in like 2013 haha. It's definitely why I can't read as much fanfic anymore. (╥_╥)
>Just two dudes being gay isn't enough for me I need fuel that I can delve into and write an epic about. It seems so petty to say "being gay isn't enough" but that really is the truth of the matter. You are so right about newer things lacking "the classics". It almost feels like writers are now thinking about the fujo lens as they write and go out of their way to avoid or debunk it.
No.7562
>>7560>It almost feels like writers are now thinking about the fujo lens as they write and go out of their way to avoid or debunk itI never considered this before, but now that you say it.. Seriously, I noticed that the few fujo pandering I got in seinen or shounen the last 10 years was almost always done deliberately, with fujos in mind or at least feeling like it. And yeah there is more outright BL too of which I am honestly not a huge fan of since I prefer it to be integrated in engaging longer manga I enjoy, opposed to be a standalone OC romance with one or two volumes. The downside of more fujo awareness seems to be that there is no "coincidental" fuel anymore.
Enemies and heroes, rivals and everything act so fucking distanced nowdays, I swear maybe I imagine it, but I just don't see the types of hatelove, rivalries and "from mentor/brother/best friend to nemesis" dynamics anymore.
It seems like with the awareness of fujo came the intention to outsource it. Either to their own BL OC series or to side characters that can be gay without bothering the main audience or influencing the main plot.
Sure, there are exceptions like SK8 but those are very rare actual fujo shows. I wonder if it's coincidence or not. I can legit not think of a single manga-based MC/nemesis relationship from the last 10 years that had any sort of gay fuel. Maybe I just didn't read it but not sure. And the status quo of modern JRPG is even worse.
*edit for too many typos
No.7566
>>7537Or post them on Bitchute. Or on Odysee. Or anywhere else. Youtube is so crap now.
No.7571
>>7569I assume "wrapped" means AO3 stats? No idea how to do it, google only shows me a crappy website that doesn't work.
No.7575
>>7572
Anon what the hell? Don't suggest/advertise this shit if you have to input such things to obtain arbitrary stats
No.7580
>7534
>apparently there is a cutie who has endearing interactions with the female lead and incels lose their shit every time it happens
The irony, after years of seeing ppl accusing fujos of this..I now see male characters massively hated for simply interacting with the main love interest, while a rival female character is hated for interacting with male protag by the equivalent women who self insert.
All of them suck at shipping too, instead of talking about the characters potential or chemistry all I see is convos on metaphors or defensiveness on characters being shipped with someone else even thou that's what fandom is for lol
No.7582
>>7577I do!
-Make sure to have different stuff for different price categories. Stickers are good for the cheapest tier. Button pins are cute and cheap, try to get them to fit into an 'aesthetic' if possible, since you're doing original work.
-Stock at baseline 10 of each. No more than 10, unless you're going to a huge con and know that you'll sell, in which case you can stock 15-20. Stickers are cheaper to produce and cheaper to sell, so it's ok to stock 20-25 of those.
-You can make 5 of the keychains if you're unsure, manufacturers do allow you to stack multiple designs for discounts as long as they're the same size. Measure them first to figure out how big they will be.
-Nobody buys prints, so you can stock even less of those. I'd go with 5 prints per image.
-Even if you do original work, making it somewhat relatable or familiar is good. Like stickers of gaming consoles, or pets. Doing something in the line of an established 'Aesthetic', be it your own or a #-one, makes your stall more cohesive, which increases sales opportunities for your original work.
-Check with other artists what you should be charging. It's often more than you think!
-Build your stand the night before. Take a picture. Use that picture to save time when setting the stall up at the event.
No.7587
Looks like MRM removed the shota tag. Nothing shows up when you search it
No.7588
>>7587Damn. I had a feeling something like that was gonna happen when they made the tag red.
No.7589
>>7587Nooooo, why would they do that?
No.7590
>>7589I bet they're gonna remove all the shota works soon. Cause the tag and works with shota tagged still exists, you just can't filter it now. Which is stupid, so they'll either reinstate the tag properly or delete all of them. At least nhentai still exists I guess. Chin2, the replacement of Shotachan scanslators, don't seem to have been uploading to mrm anyway or if they were, it wasn't being accepted.
No.7591
>>7589Maybe a legal/host-based issue? They still have rape/incest/etc. tags up fine, so I doubt it's a moral thing. Strange to remove the tag after all these years though
>>7590>works with shota tagged still exists, you just can't filter it nowI saw people celebrating it which was funny because now they'll just get jumpscared with shota content instead of being able to filter it out. No one wins here
No.7592
>>7587>removing shota>still has western, pig-disgusting bara, and furryGross
No.7593
>>7587>>7590Huh. I'm not really invested in shota for the most part but now I gotta see whether all those Sebaciel doujins are gonna be lost media or not.
No.7595
>>7593>all those Sebaciel doujins are gonna be lost mediai'm going to kill myself
No.7597
>>7595Nah, use exhentai nonna. They actually accept your submissions without the approval bullshit MRM has, plus they also actually have more Black Butler doujins right now then MRM at 190.
No.7598
>>7591>celebratingWhy can't moralfags be consistent? They shouldn't partake in pirated scans or scanlation, which is just as illegal as the stuff getting the axe.
No.7600
>>7599*2010
I checked desuarchive for /a/ posts from that time -
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/33558342/#33558342 No.7601
>>7598>Why can't moralfags be consistentbecause they aren't really moralfags, they are just "shit i don't like needs to be axed"fags
No.7602
>>7595>>7597Yeah I wasn't trying to say they'd actually be lost, it was just a thought that came to mind. I later found out myself that they're fine.
No.7626
Regarding the shota tag being deleted from MRM, they did remove some shota works. Not sure how many, and I'm not sure what the criteria is either.
No.7694
Teen boys on fatbikes trigger some sort of fight or flight response in me.
No.7695
>>7694I had this discussion with a friend… our conclusion was that the scrote deserves to get assraped on his precious bike and get coom stained on it
No.7699
>>7697Nah, I get it. I feel like if you're young and female you're more likely to fall for this sort of stuff due to female socialisation telling you to be polite and rule-abiding. Same reason why female-run scanlation groups are more likely to do the password-protected secret club thing, I imagine. When I was a teenager I was a hardcore social justice tumblr girl but as I got older I had this nagging feeling in my head that MTF troons creeped me the fuck out and then things clicked for me as I read tumblr TERF blogs and I went all the way to the opposite side and was on Kiwifarms for a while. I ended up sliding back into the middle more over time cause Kiwifarms is full of misogynists and a lot of TERFs I encountered hate fujoshi. Also I just reached a point in my life where I wanna focus more on positivity instead of making myself mad all the time.
No.7700
>>7697It started out as 'trans and nb people have gender dysphoria, nobody decides to be this way', and that seemed logical to my autism brain. Then it slid at some point straight into 'actually self ID is all that matters and gender dysphoria isn't necessary' and all the made-up pronouns and genders, and seeing people obviously getting off on the trans headcanon stuff. I still can't wrap my head around what the hell is the difference between self called 'nonbinary women' calling themselves she, and a regular-ass woman. Ask someone for an answer and you won't get it.
Add onto that people saying 'tee-hee I wonder why people with autism have a higher rate of being trans, how mysterious' when you already fucking know that fellow autists are just overthinking their feelings and gender has become their special interest. It's not rocket science.
Asexual is a useful label to describe the experience of some people. There are people with no interest in sex who have never experienced attraction to someone even as an adult. Sometimes they are late bloomers and that ends up changing one day, sometimes it doesn't.
No.7701
Sisters…. I hate troonshit and FTM shit but because I want one of the guys in my OTP to get pregnant I gave him a pussy.
He has a son in canon so I just tell myself "It's him and (other guy's) lovechild" It's a fantasy setting too though
Is it over for me?
I just can't imagine penis birth and assbabies is too much
No.7702
>>7701You can do whatever you want but if you want my honest opinion I feel like you just turned your gay couple straight. If I'd want to give my otp a child I'd go for adoption or a magical clone/advanced magitek clone baby cause it wouldn't involve turning one of them female.
No.7708
>>7701Personally I'm with the other anon if you're going to MPREG the best option is literal magic, otherwise I've seen C-sections, and eggs done and haven't been immediately repulsed. The moment it's cuntboy I personally nope out but you are entitled to write whatever you want.
No.7709
>>7701The only time mpreg works for me in an organic way is either body horror (like the child bursts out of somewhere) or when the character is an alien/inhuman being that can give birth in a totally unique way. I would never go for regular vaginal birth in a yaoi. Even some fucked up omegaverse ass uterus anatomy is better imo.
No.7711
>>7702They could also just timeskip it, most omegaverse usually do "and suddenly there's a baby, wow" without showing any pregnancy.
No.7714
I feel like im self-harming everytime I read fanfiction of other ships that involve one of the two boys in my main OTP.
No.7715
>>7714You must be a masochist lmao, I couldn't even bring myself to click on let alone read NOTP fics.
No.7717
>>7702>>7708I honestly do genuinely kinda get bothered by this because I wouldn't want people to think I think the character is trans. If I feel in the mood of a preg related story, I'd just add cuntboy into it like nips sometimes do (almost every fish-like or dragon-type character gets 'slits' these days) but the potential of people thinking I'm a traitor fujo annoys me. Hetshit is one thing, which I guess I wouldn't blame anons thinking it's basically a genderbend but trans is where I draw the line that I can't just openly say "no, fuck off this isn't trans shit" or I'd get wrecked
>>7708Body horror mpreg is what I used to do most of the time (and I still do) if I'm in the mood of some guro
(bursting out of the stomach or crawling from the throat), and I guess that just made me like mpreg in general but I never really think of the 'birthing process' of it all otherwise. If I have to think of non-violent ways of birth that's when everything falls apart
No.7720
Gay pandering is always so much better than het fanservice even if it comes from coomers. I read so many series that have both, including blushing men that get touched by other men and all that and yet, regardless of how extreme the gay shit is it's still always more tasteful.
You would assume that if you are het and lusting for girls you would make their fanservice good. But no, it's so forced and anticlimactic it always makes me disgusted of it and not (just) because of feminism. Even if I imagine the men doing it I would dislike it. Gay male fanservice generally seems to be more organic while the female fanservice is always aggressively OOC and happens for the sake of it, in the dumbest way and at the worst moments (like during a fucking war or battle) and it's always so forced that it outright ridiculous. Like even if I was into it I couldn't get horny because I would laugh or be puzzled by it.
I wonder why people cannot write this. Maybe most writers need some distance from a sexual scene to make it good. The moment they get self-indulgent it gets cringe. It even happens with female authors, albeit not as commonly.
No.7722
Asian artists almost always comment on fanart they retweet by making those subsequent posts like "RT I really love how the face of X is drawn so cute!!" in lieu of making replies and I didn't notice it for a long time and I am the guy who is shy as fuck on socmedia so I only post my art and keep quiet. But seeing all those lovely comments I indirectly get makes me feel bad for it. Maybe I should train to overcome my paranoia, I feel like I should do it too if they always do it for me. And I often have to say something about the art I consider good enough to retweet.
No.7723
>>7208>God, I really do wish people gave better prompts on there, I love to make art for peopleI made a couple of requests in /a/'s draw threads - none of them got fulfilled, so I gave up.
No.7730
>>7723Vicious circle probably. The female artists probably gave up on these threads a long time ago. I only ever saw the same costume swap that everybody else requests and every post I saw was waifu shit too so I assumed that gays and women wouldn't even use them anymore.
Granted there are thousands of fujo artists anyway so you probably have better chances finding someone on twitter than /a/.