No.3988
>>3986Yeah, I like fear and hunger. I watched a streamer play it years ago, and it's surprising to see how popular it's become. I like the source material, but I agree with you 100% on the fandom. Believe it or not, the fandom was just as bad years ago. Almost all indie horror has TIMs out the ass… well, maybe that could be said for all indie horror games. It's better not to looked up indie game devs and their close fan discords. It's a mistake 95% time- and the fans will be so rabid. Like the games good brother, but you don't have to freak out at me because I have a sightly different opinion than you on x character.
Anyways, sperging over. I like Enki best from the first game, and I like the crow mauler, and the red man enemy. The red man terrifies me, kek. From the second game, I like Levi and Marcoh… and yes, I ship them kek.
No.3989
>>3988Surprised someone on FC likes Fear and Hunger. I'm curious about the fan discord but I bet they're all dick sucking maniacs. I want to dip a toe into things but already I feel unwelcome as a woman among them all. God I wonder what it was like years ago, I've only gotten into it recently.
Anyway. Enki is cute but Legarde is truly beautiful. He's giving me full Griffith energy. Oh but I also love Levi and Marcoh. I didn't think to ship them together but that's great honestly, I'll have to pair them up in a team next playthrough and imagine their dynamic. They're both so quiet… I really love Marina as well but the trouble with Marina is that I don't agree with everyone saying she's trans. I mean she's a walking David Reimer lmao. Uh besides that, Tanaka x Marcoh, or Pav x Levi.
No.3990
>>3989Yeah, the discord is the place I think is the biggest cesspit, unfortunately. BUT. I really love the art and sound design for the game. I played the first game before a lot of things were added (the first game, you used to be able to traverse the dungeon without torches. When they added torches, the game became a lot harder when they were added because you needed to manage them.) The first game is very punishing but enjoyable, but I like a lot of the character interactions in the second game. Like if you watch the television in the apartments with Karen in your party, she will comment that she does not remember recording the tv report that's on. So the attention to detail in the game is pretty good.
I also like Le'Garde and the Yellow King. A lot of the art reminds me of castlevaina box art. Here's some art I found on pixiv a few years ago of the yellow king.
No.3993
The game is on my wishlist. I heard there's boyrape in it?
No.3994
>>3993There's LOTS of boy rape in the first game. The second game only has like two rape scenes honestly
No.3995
yess! Nona, I was just coming here to make a Funger thread and first thing I see is Le'garde fanart. I'm so happy to see my fellow Fujos also like this game.
I love Pav x Levi so bad, Levi x Marina is also sweet but the fandom is a bit annoying with the whole "Marina is trans" thing, I love crossdressing males and it's sad to see troonery infect everything.
No.3997
>>3995My sister in Christ, welcome to the table. I love Pav x Levi! I wish there was fanart or more fanfiction. I have not found a single piece of art for this ship and it kills me.
I fucking hate the discourse about Marina. I really don't believe "trans" is the right word there.
No.3998
>>3990I didn't know that about the torches. That's pretty interesting, maybe it's better it was changed to be more difficult. Which game do you think is better? I personally think that the first of better lore wise, art wise, and writing wise. But I think the second game is cozier and more fun to play.
When I saw the toilets I got a rush of nostalgia and jumped right in to chuckle at getting stuck down there with no way out, because it reminded me of how stupid I was to blindly do that without thought in the first game. My favorite thing about the first game was how cruel it was. I was startled that you could break your fucking legs
No.3999
>>3994So what I am hearing is the first game is better. Yeah I'll probably get it. Which character is the one that gets raped? I heard that there's a specific character to choose
No.4001
>>3998I pretty much agree with your evaluation if the first and second game. The first game is a lot more brutal, and while it can be frustrating to play at times, I think it's so rewarding when you get a victory. The second game is good too, and I like the story, but I think I like the first one a little more.
No.4003
>>4000If he's in his 30s that just makes it hotter tbh? Little extra spice for the dish. Of course people are sleeping when they could be eating, story of my life.
>>3999They can all be raped but people prefer memeing on Cahara being the specific victim. I'm not all that attracted to his character design though so I usually play D'arce or Ragnvaldr.
>>4001Agreed about it being rewarding. I feel like the second game just gives you wins sometimes. With the first you had to fucking fight for it.
No.4005
>>4003Isn't D'arce a girl though, that's not boyrape
No.4006
>>4005D'arce is a girl, but for reference, I think she's the easiest player to play as for your first time, so you might consider playing as her if you haven't played the game before.
No.4009
>>4003>people are sleeping when they could be eatingso true nona.
No.4022
>>3990I checked out that discord btw. They hate fujos and babble on about bull shit. Oof
No.4045
>>4036>>4043I just read all of Alabaster in one sitting because you guys randomly posted a cute boy in the wrong thread.
No.4046
>>4043Maybe we should just have a Showa era thread?
>>4045Exactly according to Keikaku, do tell us your thoughts nona :D
Jokes aside, Rock is very dark in it - He's a lot cuter and sympathetic in Vampires and Black Jack (He's only in a few Black Jack stories, one has enough shipping material to inspire loads of fangirls).
He's also very cute in Metropolis. His 'boyish moe' is off of the charts.
No.4049
>>4046I loved it. The art was goofy but in a deeply charming way. I loved Rock and I'm happy he was so fucked up. When he started his racist spiel about the Japanese I was like, well chill. But then he goes on to reassure you he hates everybody except the Greeks and I just couldn't stop laughing. (There's something endearing about people who hate everybody equally, they're mostly just assholes but they amuse me irl and in fiction).
I liked his design, his sunglasses. When he assaulted Ami I was like, well, husbando material. I already create dark material so to see a blatantly dark character with no meddling from me was a blast. I loved Alabaster's design, and when he tried to make the moves on Ami as her father figure I was like "noooo" but also "yesss". I think his dialogue was bad for a black man from the time period, wasn't he an Olympian? I just feel like he spoke like a Disney villain. The way he died was fucking stupid but whatever. I love that Ami committed sewer slide.
The whole thing feels like it could easily be a noire or fantastic animated movie. I wouldn't trust anybody to be able to handle the adaptation though. I loved it and want to buy it in print.
No.4050
>>4046Oh I forgot to ask. Why is he in so many Tezuka stories? Like is it just a reused design? Or is it literally him hopping into new universes?
No.4051
>>4049Awww, I'm glad you like this fucked up version! He's a bit OTT in that one, but he has his charm, even so.
>>4050Tezuka didn't really 're-use' the character design so much as the whole character. His characters were a 'star system' where they would play different parts in different stories, although they all had roles they excelled at. Rock was notable in how he started out as an idealistic Boy Hero, but developed towards darker roles that got corrupted down the line.
In his 'teens', he started taking on villain roles, he is most famous for the unfinished 'Vampire' manga. He crossdresses as part of disguises because he is that pretty of a boy.
He eventually grew to 'Adulthood' - ish, where he made appearances in other mangas still, but appeared to be branching out a bit from the 'abused delinquent' type. In one of Tezuka's final mangas, Welcome to Bookilla, he was a lupe reporter doing yellow journalism, and played the grumpy fussypants to an untalented young starlet heroine. He also got beat up a lot in that version, which is hot.
No.4308
Anybody who likes Termina kinda annoyed about the Marina thing? I came to rant pointlessly.
No.4309
>>4308Which thing? Something different than normal?
No.4310
>>4309Same old same old. Discourse about if Miro had originally intended for Marina to be trans or if it was shoehorned and yada yada yada.
No.4312
I hate myself for always starting series and becoming a fan after all hype has died down. It's enraging when it's a series that was actually popular with a big active fanbase and I just missed all of this and can only watch or read it for myself for being an idiot.
Lots of time I simply don't know about because it belongs to media I am not regularly checking (like comics or games). Sometimes I postpone the start over and over again because starting shit is hard especially when you join late. Whatever I hate it and browsing all the old fandom talk and thousands of now inactive accounts is just sad.
Sometimes fandoms lats longer but I noticed that they get consecutively worse and off-topic the more time has passed since the end of the series. Most fans that join then are secondaries that got into it because of the fics and OOC headcanons so they are basically fan of a whole different series.
No.4317
So I bought and have been playing Fear and Hunger, and I feel like the game is cheaping out on all the rape stuff. I see like a 1 second flash of the monster hovering over the character and then a Game Over. My character has only been explicitly raped once. What gives? These other creatures clearly have penises, so why aren't they ramming it up the boy's asshole? Why do I get one rape scene and then just game over screens? Is the rape rare?
No.4318
>>4317The rape is not the point of the game. I do feel like some other anons have done some false advertising for this game. As far as I know there are not any on screen sex parts longer than a few seconds. Mostly it's a horror game. It's not a bad game, but it's definitely not an erogame or anything.
No.4319
>>4318 second this. and most rape scenes are by chance. I have a good 40 hours in the game and have only come across one, and even then there isnt really anything sexy about it
No.4331
Does anyone else listen to radio dramas and sitcoms and find themselves thinking of ships and which characters would appeal to people if they knew about them/had more content? Some of it is obviously played for laughs, but my goggles can't help seeing pairs and potential all over. None of them have any fandom though, there must be fans who buy the CDs and download eps or they wouldn't be funded for multiple series, but I've never seen people talking about them or making fanworks. I worry it's so small that if I did try starting it myself the writers would actually find it and be exposed to my rotten activity.
I was thinking about this because a series I was following recently ended, and in the final episode a random background character got more lines and he was seriously fruity. There was also selfcest and some other stuff you could imply. I really wanted more out of these things that are barely there for 10mins of story but these just aren't fandomable media. I don't think I can sell them to fellow fujos either, since they're usually mixed casts with some pretty stupid jokes and themes. Maybe I should try getting into American audiodramas, I think those have tumblr followings but I don't know what they're like.
No.4332
Just on the subject of small fandoms, I've been trying to shill Thunderbolt fantasy to people around me whenever a new season airs but I haven't had any luck.
No.4334
>>4332One of us makes a thread here when S4 airs and I'll talk about it with you. Donghua/danmei fans might give it a chance for being roughly in the same ballpark visually.
No.4336
>>4331When you say radio dramas, do you mean stuff from like the early 1900s? Because I dig that shit. I'd never thought about shipping anybody, but that's actually a really fascinating concept. One straight married man getting the eye from some shady out of town character tbh. Hot.
No.4337
>>4336Fuck yes, nona, you are speaking my language. Do you have any recs? Modern podcasts are too woke and overrun by gendies for me.
No.4338
>>4332I've been in the TBF fandom since S1 and it's for sure an awkward one. Depending on the place you talk about it you'll have to use completely different names and terms, which can be a nightmare to memorise so you don't confuse or offend others. Worse, it had a huge boost after the Twitch streams and during S3 I genuinely couldn't keep up with all the discussion happening and stopped making art/edits on airing days. The between seasons fandom gets quiet, and the English speakers consistently active aren't the most comfortable to chat with. I'm happy that I at least have a friend into it who picks out discussion to show me and there's no shortage of fanart from TW and JP. Looking forward to more Azi next time, but the previewed demons look awful.
>>4336I'm afraid I'm not much into Hancocks and what have you. I have a radio alarm clock and wake up to whatever drama or doc is on that day. Given the other anon's reaction I'm sure it's pointless to introduce anything. Just personal delusions.
I did remember while about the house today that there
was one with a fandom. Unfortunately I'm more a Souvenir Show fan and get very picky with sitcoms so I turned off when Cabin Pressure was airing. Gave it a shot later and it wasn't that bad but I wasn't as fond of the characters as I'd grown in other shows. Feels like a shame that the one time I could share these things I'd completely sidestepped it.
No.4346
>>4318Grrrr what
>>4319It's definitely sexy for a boy to get raped by a monster. Anyway I've been enjoying the game regardless of the sad lack of rape. My boy is currently legless and dragging himself across the floor at all times, with the sad little girl. I wish I could equip her with a weapon, she's kinda useless, but she can throw knives. The legless boy also has legs when he's sleeping in the bed and when there is combat and I wish they'd have been more consistent. For a game about a cult that worships a sex goddess there is a lack of rape, I'll say.
No.4348
>>4332Hopefully, one day they will repent for their shit taste. At least most of /a/ (the part that has seen it) seems to love it.
No.4357
does anyone else remember the amount of gay fanfic bioshock produced, or just me?? i know being a dead fandom is to be expected with a game from like, 2007, but i wish there were still people having fun with it instead of perpetually bitching about how bad infinite’s race politics were. which, i mean, they did suck, but it was a decade ago. we get it.
No.4361
>>4357Nonna, what? Who and who could you even ship? Andrew Ryan x Atlas? Lmao then again I guess I would ship that
No.4362
>>4361kek nonna that definitely existed somewhere, but most of the fic was for the mc/atlas
(which i can’t even blame anyone for shipping with the whole mind control thing and all). bioshock 2 had fic too, for subject delta/sinclair, i think? but but i was never the biggest fan of 2, so my memory is fuzzy on that.
infinite produced a handful of fics for booker/whatever the male lutece twin’s name was, but that pair was pretty vastly overshadowed by other
het incest pairs.
No.4363
>>4362huhh, now I'm thinking about Atlas and the MC. Tbh weird walkie talkie sex might be hot.
And Fontaine/Atlas getting under Ryan's skin… Their little games of cat and mouse. Man. I fucking hate when I suddenly start thinking about ships in dead fandoms. I am already carrying torches for too many, OP pic a prime example lmao.
Bioshock 2 wasn't as good as the first, but I suppose it was at least better than infinite. I don't even mean the political shit- but like, the game itself, the mechanics. The design choices. It's just so bright and gaudy.
No.4369
>>4331Welcome to Night Vale is the only one I can think of. Cecil/Carlos is canon and the fans preferred couple.
No.4405
>>4404I'm here nonna, I'll listen if you wanna talk lore or ships. I love this game and have played it a million times.
No.5240
ahhh i remember being obsessed with fear and hunger 2 for a while! wasn't Macro confirmed gay or am i misrembering?
No.5296
Do you know that feeling? In the course of years you see a certain series popping up over and over again. You look it up once and realise that its run has ended but it was super popular, enough to make even you aware of it, albeit a bit later. But you are annoyed by the hype or think it has potential but postpone it. Years later you finally engage with it and it blows your mind, but the fandom is already dead, save for a handful of OC shippers, MC troonifier and a few cringe kinners.
I am prone to this so I force myself to engage sooner these days. It happened too many times. It's cool browsing and finding so many artists that were drawing for it, but it's also depressing when they are all long since dead and gone or even deleted their art.
No.5297
>>5296Is this about Homestuck? Either way I can relate a little. I played a game a few years after it launched in the west and got insane brainworms and while I'd say the fandom is not super tiny, it's like really neutered? Most of the people who like it just talk about how much they like it rather than drawing/writing stuff, it's weird. I think it's because it seems to be male dominated–I had to dig a little to find shippers and then dig a lot to find the blessed fujos.
>even deleted their artThere is nothing more depressing than finding an artist who drew exactly the shit you got online to see only to have their art living in the form of reblogs, their blog long deleted.
No.5298
Fuuuuuck stop namedropping Homestuck every time I want to share my feelings about my Homestuck fandom but it is not really Homestuck but a fancomic arghh
I stuck loving the guy everyone hates and makes fun of, and shipping the pair of only-mentioned men I'm so infatuated by them I can't bare it, but I can't share it in Homestuck threads because I hate to bring attention to project what has little anything do with Homestuck elements instead of relying on trolls and turning it into game of thrones. The worst thing I'm making exact same AU prequel with ancestors with same route and ending up simultaneously copying the original story. I'm stuck but it feels so good.
No.5300
>>5297Funny enough no. Believe it or not I am online since the late 90s and used tumblr since 2012 but never heard of homestuck till a few years ago (and it was on 4chan). Different bubble I guess.
It's about different kinds of series, especially cartoons, games and comics since I am less likely to check them out, unlike manga/anime where I watch a lot simultaneously. Though it happened there as well. TTGL and CG were such cases and even 15 years later I am still mad. Learned my lesson though and never ignored a widely popular anime again during their own season. I might drop them but this is fine, I don't want to risk missing a potential fandom again, I was there back then and still ignored all these fun threads.
No.5301
>>5296This feeling is all i've ever known, with maybe one or two exceptions.
No.5455
>>5441do one better and write a fic where Marina cuts his hair, stops crossdressing and rails that ptsd twink and the nazi faggot with his masculine 9+ incher
No.5457
>>5455Oh they'd kill me. But lmao
No.5705
>>5441As much as I like the game and dark rpgs, the fandom is hopelessly infested. I think Levi/Marina can be a somewhat cute ship since they're both Prehevilian and both the same age, but I don't have super strong feelings about them as a pair. I made the mistake of looking in the discord and it's infested with creepy fat middle-aged moids who are obsessed with a cross-dressing 18 year old boy and will rabidly attack anyone who disagrees with them. Shouldn't they be mowing the lawn or something?
No.5706
>>5705Yeah you're right about the infestation. It's seriously depressing. It's a dark game and yet people into it are so weirdly sensitive. It makes me so upset because I love it and its prequel.
No.6146
>>5441I might take one for the team and just write a Marilevi trap fic… where Marina is consistently refered to with female pronouns up until the sex part where he reveals he is actually a male and regrets being raised as a girl and proceeds to fuck the shit out of Levi…
Also i find it hilarious that people ship the uwu transfem character with a heroin addict… truly sides of the same coin
No.6149
>>6146I look forward to it! It would be cute if it initially starts off with some fumbling and Levi thinking hes taking the lead only for Marina to turn the tables and reveal his true intentions…. bonus points if Marina's the more experienced one of the two
No.6153
>>6146>>6149perhaps start it off with Levi withdrawing so Marina "injects" him and fills him up with a different sort of needle
No.6157
>>6146Let us know if you do it. I wish I had the balls man
No.6162
>>6149>>6153Thank you for the great ideas!
>>6157Nona i encourage you to write and publish your own "TERF-y" fics, in the age of boypussy and girldick we need more writers who are not afraid to speak the truth.
I'll make sure to send a link here if I finish writing it.
No.6167
>>6162Damn he looks like jesus here, I remember seeing twitter gendies explode over this fanart lol
No.6193
>>6162Ahh maybe I'll make a burner account just to put it out there. The main idea is that it's a pre-canon story where we follow Sam who is stalking the shit out of Marina and making all of these assumptions about who Marina is and what Marina struggles with. Like, she knows Marina is male but thinks there is dysphoria, similar to her own pain. When she finally gets the balls to drug or kidnap Marina and put her in the school's basement or shed or whatever, and finally gets to talk to her idol Marina, Marina shatters every expectation (sort of like in game, but this time it revolves around his gender and how he feels about himself).
Marina isn't weak and he doesn't hurt like she does. They have no "connection." She just breaks. Samarie has to gag him and starve him and shit until he's cooperative. Noncons him a lot, penetrates him with her fingers or uses him like a human dildo. Dresses him up and shit.
Anyway, this ends unresolved with Samarie indefinitely keeping the missing student locked away and facing no punishment, carrying on going to classes and spending her nights with her "girlfriend."
No.6195
>>6194>>6162>>6146As someone who doesn't play this game I'm curious to know whether this character is canon trans or the type of character that Bridget was before being ruined to pander to troons.
No.6196
>>6195More of the first. He's not explicitly called trans in the game because it wouldn't make sense for the setting, but the creator confirmed it. His backstory is basically that his mother raised him as a girl to avoid some cult thing and he's fine with it so that makes him trans. Sort of annoys me that the creator couldn't just make a female 'main' character and had to insert some troon background honestly.
No.6197
>>6196>>6195A little from column A, a little from column B. The character is not trans because that sort of thing didn't even exist, also in order to be trans you'd have to be raised one way and then live another later in life.
Like you're not trans if you were literally raised to be a girl (even if you were male), you're just abused.
No.6829
>>3986>Dead/Small fandom bluesI used to be in the Deep-Sea Prisoner fandom circa 2015. It was never a "big" thing and you had tumblr tards harrassing the dev for drawing lolisho even before that type stuff was as controversial as it is today. But at least the fandom gatekept itself by having a lot of nsfw creators, having the games being only playable on PC and those works having dark tropes/themes.
I tried to get back into it recently despite how dead it is, and a majority of the nu fans are either teens or preteens who hate the creator for making problematic content yet still consume her work while also bitching about "ze evil proshippers" despite DSP being a fujo herself and stating that she would continue drawing "problematic" stuff. Apparently she recently drew a tomboy character with big tits and that was enough to piss the whole fandom off, which is pretty insane considering she's drawn far worse in the past. The fandom's a shell of its former self compared to its glory days so I just stopped engaging with it altogether.
No.6830
>>6827I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it first hand. Absolutely insistent that the mangaka is NOT a shotacon and that Sebaciel is NOT supposed to be a thing and definitely NOT appealing to it's viewers. Come the fuck on, you are willfully blind if you can't tell this chick is a shotacon and that the series became popular BECAUSE of Sebaciel. Why would you read this or watch this if you don't like it? I assume anyone that watches or reads BB is a shotacon including the people who complain about Sebaciel because there's no way the story is good enough to pull people past all the age gap slashbait if they don't like it.
No.6832
>>6827>>6828>>6829>>6830Masochistic antis genuinely need to be studied in a lab because I don't understand how anyone who hates problematic media can still consume it while shitting on it and its intended audience. Do they secretly enjoy it or are they just deluding themselves into thinking it's not 'problematic'?.
No.6833
>>6832It reminds me of the bluesky antis shitting themselves when people made blocklists so they don't have to interact with them. They are hypocrites. They want to enjoy not only the problematic content but also want to enjoy feeling morally superior to others who don't self flagellate over cartoons.
No.6843
>>6827I get not shipping sebaciel, I don't ship them either but saying their relationship is father/son like? What the fuck kind of relationship do these people have with their parents? Should we call CPS? Last time I saw that was with two characters from JJK where one guy basically worships the other and acts like an assistant/bodyguard and since ##they hold hands in the last chapters and it's implied they love each other somehow## but one of them is shorter than the other everyone was saying the exact same thing about them. Even though the shorter guy keeps saying he'll commit seppuku or will let the other kill him whenever he messes up something. If your father treats you like that you should call the police.
No.6844
>>6827I can't stand the western part of this fandom in general because even the pro Sebaciel community is insufferable, just in a different way. It's full of mpreg-obsessed genderspecial women who turn Ciel into their self-insert.
No.6845
>>6828>>6830>>6832True, they do look like massive hypocrites. I just won't believe that the antis had zero issues with the fanservice until this late in the series. It's so clear that they're still into it, but want to cover their asses.
>>6843You're right, it is really telling, when they want to force something so problematic to be tolerable and safe to them. It makes them sounds disturbed themselves.
>>6844Thats so true about the western fandom. It's so crazy that both extremes can exist, though I can at least understand the proshippers since the series encourages the ship. What I hate to see them bash other ships and female characters. I do feel like this type of fan are
usually younger and because of that they are unfortunately louder.
No.6855
>>6846Nona, we all use the "all" page.
>>6844The only way this could be acceptable is if it's horror mpreg, get a little demon spawn meatbabies going on. I remember discussing something like that for Ciel back in the old fandom so I doubt anyone entertains the thought now.
No.6921
>>6827>>6828God the Kuroshitsuji fandom is in such a sorry state. I can't stop fucking cringing, there is no site that isn't infected by these types. I love that the Kuroshitsuji mangaka is doing well and that the show is continuing (personally I really want to see the idol arc animated!) even after all this time, but in my opinion this current generation of fans just can't handle it. It's true that the newer fans are coping hard when it comes to the nature of the story and all of it's fanservice. Back in the day it was clear that BB was the shotabait show. Sure, you weren't strong armed into shipping sebasciel, but you either accepted that it was there or moved on. I can't understand how new fans can delude themselves so hard. Why push themselves to like something that they clearly think is problematic?
The newest season, The Green Witch arc, has a nymphomaniac loli character and I can just anticipate the meltdown it'll cause kek. I wonder what mental gymnastics the puritans will pull to make her comfy and soft.
No.6922
>>6921Ngl the thing I hate most about the English speaking bb fandom is how they call Grell a woman, he's a gay man ffs
Also getting into a series that's main draw is the implied homosexuality between a sexy demon butler and his shota master and then pretending that actually this is soft and not problematic don't lewd the shotabait is so fucking stupid
No.6924
>>6921>Why push themselves to like something that they clearly think is problematic?Because they actually like it, but don't want to give up policing others and "cancelling" people for no good reason. They want to have it both ways, they're a performative bunch.
No.6940
>>6923>the fucking demotivational poster and the blingeethanks for transporting me back into my 11 year old self anon
No.6960
>>6922I can see why the Grell situation is a thing because from what I remember he refers to himself as female but the other characters just call him a dude so those parts of the fanbase probably consider it 'gender affirming' to refer to Grell as a her. I guess this is the Okama achetype, right?
No.6990
>>6960>I guess this is the Okama achetypeYes, Grell is described as an okama. If there's something I learned it's that the west will never understand that okama are just really gay dudes. To them they're always trans.
No.6991
>>6960>>6990exactly, the western equivalent would be treating twinks like they're trans though i've seen a lot of gender fans do this regardless
No.6993
>>6990They can comprehend drag queens and faggy gays like Jeffree Star being gay men but not okama for some reason even though they're basically equivalent to each other
No.7025
>>6991>treating twinks like they're transThey already do that with crossdressing characters and bishounen already
No.7068
>>7066its even tougher when the series is a media with a contained ending so theres not really any theorizing or headcanoning to be made as the story has already served its course.
the AU fics start getting desperate and turn to vampires/werewolves omegaverse everyone survives AUs in a game about cowboys in the 19th century; theyve completely lost the plot along the way in trying to make more of the stagnant series.
this phenomenon is especially bad with vidya since its very rare do the games have a sequel, nonetheless a good one that matches up to its predecessor.
On one hand you'd wish they'd make the sequel so the old fans could return and discussion could come back, but on the other hand worst case scenario it's low effort and the only conception of the series is the shitty cash grab that ruined the canon.
No.7070
>>7066Very common imo I always get into shows well after they've finished airing, so I'm left in an asylum of people who are so starving for new content they start making up crazy shit and like you said treat the AUs like it's the actual series.
>>7068 Agreed with the sequel dilemma. I don't think it'd stop those kind of people in the fandom from writing insane stuff though kek. I think even if a sequel is made they're too far gone to even be the target audience for it, so real fans are just left with a steaming pile of shit not worth discussing let alone consuming.
>the AU fics start getting desperateI've been witnessing a fic author writing this insanely long AU of multiple different versions of 1 character all living together and having sex for 1000 chapters and I'm tempted to ask her if she's ok.
No.7071
Honestly I like joining fandoms late because I enjoy the massive backlog of content, I hardly talk with real people and mainly just read and write by myself so the "party" being dead has no bearing on my enjoyment of trawling 15 year old FF stories.
No.7072
>>7071Id imagine its easier to look at backlogs from western creators but god is tracing back Asian fanart near impossible since most of the time their accounts get nuked after switching interests from a media nowadays. the only proof they even existed in the first place are from highly compressed pinterest reposts, which most of the time dont contain their entire gallery.
its especially a shame if the account is somehow left untouched on twitter since public archiving is obsolete on the damn site and is unable to load posts more than 7+ year old. plus the search feature is fucking broken so its not like you can search tweets from that account within a timeframe. stupid fucking site i could go on and on about how it went to the shitter and ruined modern fandom for good..
No.7073
>>7072I would genuinely love to know why Japanese fan artist are so much more prone to nuking their shit
No.7082
>>7073Probably insecurity. I can kind of relate I am very insecure about posting my art on tumblr or twitter and be seen while simultaneously desiring to contribute to a fandom I love and shill my favorite ship.
For me it's not even about actual conflicts, I never had issues with antis or anything, it's just some anxiety knowing that the whole world can see your coomer or shipping art. It's somehow a very private thing to reveal, something not even my friends know much about and I don't talk about feelings IRL so posting that feels weird lol. From what I have heard certain Asian cultures seem to be way more introverted too compared to westerners and especially US Americans.
I was always baffled by their ability to overshare the most cringe private things online without a hint of shame or fear lol
I am also the guy that makes new accounts for certain fandoms because I am afraid to "reveal" too much on a single account and I also don't want to bother my followers with a second fandom they're most likely not into.
I nuked shit in the past for feeling insecure about my old art but I try to not do this anymore.
No.7099
>>7073I wonder if it's something related to copyright laws. Even though doujin culture is a thing, I noticed there's some artists on the commission platform Skeb who will only draw OCs and don't count MMO player characters as OCs. Also JP users will more often put big copyright markers on game screenshots they post on twitter. While that's not directly related to a JP artist nuking their pixiv, it makes me think that they're super antsy about offending the copyright holders of the characters they're drawing and that would make it more likely for them to find a reason to delete everything.
No.7775
>>7774Layton was great. I usually don't like cute shit but in that case I love the art style and the storeis were always fantastic.
Imagine my sadness when I realised that a lot of casuals skip the the story in this. It even happened with a person I considered to be better than this. They only play it for the puzzles. The puzzles ARE cool, but why would you skip every single cut scene without even giving it a chance aaaaaaah
This is why we get so much shit these days.
No.7780
>>7774Omg I loved these games as a kid. I cried so hard in Unwound Future; it's still one of my all-time favorite games nearly a decade-and-a-half after first playing it. Did you play the London Life segment in Last Specter (I think it was that game)? It was so much fun, and I wasted so much time on it. I didn't like the transition to 3D because it took away some of the old art style's charm. Also, the crossover game with Ace Attorney was, at the time, the most excited I'd ever been for a game in my life kek. It made absolutely no sense and was goofy as hell, but that's what made it so charming.
>There's a new game coming out in 2025, but it doesn't have the charm that the old games used to have (and it seems like a lousy cash grab, IMO)I kind of think the whole series has gotten more and more cash-grabby over the years, and it kind of lost its charm. The Mystery Room spin-off didn't even feel like a Layton game. The Mystery Journey game also felt very cash-grabby, and I was so disappointed because I'd been wanting a follow-up to the 3rd game for years (since the games that were released immediately after were prequels). I think the series should've ended with the original trilogy, but I know that's an unpopular opinion because a lot of people like the prequels.
>The new people that do end up joining the fandom always complain about the villains being "problematic" and all thatWait, really? I haven't been involved with the fanbase in years. I remember people (including me) being obsessed with
Clive back in the day, and he's pretty 'problematic,' I guess. Still, the games are fairly kid-friendly overall, so I don't know how 'problematic' the villains could really be compared to villains from other series.
No.7781
>>7780>Also, the crossover game with Ace Attorney was, at the time, the most excited I'd ever been for a game in my life kek. It made absolutely no sense and was goofy as hell, but that's what made it so charming.I'm not a layton fan but I'm an ace attorney fan so I got that game just to play every ace attorney game and it was a wild experience. I don't like puzzle games so I skipped as many of the puzzles as possible but I did end up enjoying the layton cast from a writing POV even though this was the first time I experienced them.
No.7785
>>7780(reposting because I can't seem to spoiler the text??)
I actually can't play London Life, kek…. I was playing the European version, but there's always emulation for that I suppose. I skipped Last Specter for now because I didn't really like the pacing. I'm nearly done with Miracle Mask and it's definitely one of my favorites. Unwound Future is my favorite game too, heh.
>I think the series should've ended with the original trilogy, but I know that's an unpopular opinion because a lot of people like the prequels.Honestly, I agree, Miracle Mask has a bunch of writing problems, and from what I was spoiled on Azran Legacy, it gets so ridiculously over the top that I don't really want to play it. But I do like Sycamore from what I've seen of him, so I may play it just to see how he is, kek. Haven't played LMJ but I don't plan to because it just seems… a bit soulless?
>I don't know how 'problematic' the villains could really be compared to villains from other series.Yeah, unfortunately the modern fandom has gone after PL3's villain. People really get pissed off if you like him as a character, or think he's attractive, because "u-uh, he killed thousands of people, he's just like Hitler uwu", which is pretty surprising considering he was kind of a sexyman back in the early 2010s. I'm seeing this similar sentiment with PL5's villain recently, too, where some people think he's "problematic" because he intended to kill everyone in that city, and because "he treats his girlfriend like if she's just some object instead of a person, so he's a terrible boyfriend". Like these characters are fictional…
It's so exhausting to see. ffs the main character looks like a Lego man, you'd think they'd have better things to complain about.
No.7786
>>7785> I was playing the European versionI totally forgot the European version didn't get that fun game mode. It almost felt like a proto-Fantasy Life (one of the company's other series).
> I was spoiled on Azran Legacy, it gets so ridiculously over the top that I don't really want to play it. But I do like Sycamore from what I've seen of him, so I may play it just to see how he is, kek.If you do, please feel free to rant about it because it was SO ridiculous kek. I know all the games have BS plot twists, but Azran Legacy felt the most like
actual magic. It's been around 10 years since I played it (I didn't like it), so maybe I'm misremembering, but the thing with the
golems didn't feel like the "improbable technology" I'd come to expect from the previous entries; it was more just like
"hey, this ancient civilization has Actual, Literal Magic. Like, I love the goofy plot twists, but it just felt very… uncharacteristic for the series, I guess? It didn't help that there were a ton of twists revealed in rapid-fire succession near the end. There were some fun elements, like learning more about one certain character and traveling to a bunch of different distinct locations, but it's not a great send-off to the series.
>"u-uh, he killed thousands of people, he's just like Hitler uwu"This is so crazy when I think of the characters who were tumblr sexymen back then because so many of them were murderous psychopaths kek (I'm thinking like Bill Cipher, Eridan Ampora, Tony the Talking Clock, etc). Like, that was so many sexymen's whole shtick and now it's a bad thing. I cannot imagine taking Professor Layton, a series which has such realistic writing like
"there is a replica of London built underground specifically created to gaslight the leads into thinking they time traveled" or "the entire town was robots" or the fact that one of the main characters can literally talk to animals. It's like online fans have completely forgotten how to have fun.
>I can't seem to spoiler the text??If you don't know, FC uses asterisks to spoiler text, so you'd put two asterisks before and after the words you want to spoiler. Like, * * spoiler here * * without the spaces. If I misunderstood your post and you already knew how and it's just not working, then I'm really sorry!
No.7788
>>7786Holy shit, you're a lifesaver for the spoiler tip! I was using BBCode like a dumbass because most other boards used that. Anyways, back to my Layton sperging:
>I totally forgot the European version didn't get that fun game mode. It almost felt like a proto-Fantasy Life (one of the company's other series). I think if I remember right, Wiimmfi has support for the online mode? One of my friends told me about it, so when I get back to Last Specter, I can always give it a shot, kek.
>If you do, please feel free to rant about it because it was SO ridiculous kek.So, like I've said, I haven't played it, but from what I know, the plot twists were just… so bullshit and over the top, like I've said.
I'm not a fan of the "terrorist organization" plotline, and I didn't like how Miracle Mask had that too. Actually, I have a lot of problems with Miracle Mask, but this is about Azran Legacy, so…. yeah. Apparently the whole cast dies at the end of Azran Legacy and just get revived with some weirdass magic? And then there's SO much shit, like "oh, Descole and Layton are brothers now… and they have a connection to the terrorist organization! AND Emmy betrays the leads because we need a way to write her out of the story! AND Layton is actually adopted, and does some name-swap thing!" Like you've said, all the games have bullshit plot twists, but it seemed over the top from what I've read. By learning more about a certain character, did you mean
Descole? Because if so, I kinda agree.
But I don't like how he ended up being the "true mastermind all along!" in Miracle Mask. It would've been a lot better if Randall became a villain on his own accord instead of his entire "evil" plots literally coming from Descole lying to him, and the game goes like "whoop, Randall didn't do anything wrong! Everyone just forgives him now! No.7789
>>7788(continued because my body was apparently too long to post…?)
> It's like online fans have completely forgotten how to have fun.That's my problem with being online in public spaces, and you can't forget that people get mad at you for every little thing, too. It hurts more in smaller fandoms like Layton because since the games are more dead/less popular, you keep seeing the same two or three people over and over, and they kinda end up making their own rules for other people to follow. (Spoilers for Unwound Future)
I kinda have a feeling that these new "fandom lords" or something are probably the reason why Clive is considered "problematic" now. There was a recent fan poll on Tumblr (I think?) that was one of those classic "smash or pass" things, but with Dimitri vs Clive, and Clive ended up losing, because a lot of people voted for Dimitri out of spite, instead of liking the character. One of the Clive fans pointed out that it seemed like that the fans have to basically change their tastes, because it was more "socially acceptable" to not like Clive, because 1. he blew up London with a giant robot and 2. he's a "pretty boy", and "people nowadays should be liking older men uwu". I don't have anything against Dimitri as a character, I actually think he's pretty cool, but the whole thing just… rubbed me the wrong way. Makes me wish we were still in 2013 with Legal Luke taking over DeviantArt and all that.
No.7791
Layton games are made for me because I love the puzzles and the stories and twist these games tend to have. And I love these types of simple designs. I have yet to play the last few games though.
>>7789I think that cutesy games like these attract these people because they come and expect them to be their super harmless toddler stories but then realise that there are actual villains in there. It's still stupid and I cannot grasp how someone has to be raised to act like a Christian panic Karen in their twenties. They should go back watching the Smurfs or MLP or something.
>spoilerI wonder how brainwashed someone has to be to vote for the thing they like less in an online poll. Others don't even see what you are voting for lol
But this is exactly the reason for why I left tumblr behind. I dunno, tumblr users always claim that twitter was worse, but the only fans I ever meet on twitter are Chinese and Japanese fans that are super chill and make great fanart.
No.7792
>>7788>By learning more about a certain character, did you mean Descole?Yes, I did! Like you, I wasn't a fan of the
brothers twist, but I liked seeing him
take the role of an ally as Professor Sycamore. Like, it was nice to see him in a different context from what we'd seen up to that point. I remember there were theories about them being related prior to release, but I was really hoping it wouldn't be the case.>But I don't like how he ended up being the "true mastermind all along!" in Miracle Mask. It would've been a lot better if Randall became a villain on his own accord instead of his entire "evil" plots literally coming from DescoleI agree with this very much, especially because there was enough going on with the characters that it really didn't need
Descole as the mastermind Like, it made enough sense without shoehorning him into the plot. I did really like Henry from that game, though. It was semi-popular to ship him with
Randall because it really did come across as though he were in love with Randall, if I recall (
or, at least, I liked that pairing and maybe it just seemed popular to me because of that lol). It kind of lessened the impact to just have
a random third party pulling the strings. In a way, Descole kind of felt like if Don Paolo were the true mastermind behind the first three games. Like, he was such an omnipotent character involved with so many different heavy plot things instead of just showing up and being a fun side antagonist, if that makes sense?>>7789>a lot of people voted for Dimitri out of spiteThey're both villains, so that makes zero sense. I get he was "less bad" or whatever, but at the end of the day, they're both criminals. Of course, this is ignoring the fact that none of this is real and people are angry that a fictional man committed crimes against Fictional London.>he's a "pretty boy", and "people nowadays should be liking older men uwu"That's so ridiculous. He is a 23 or 24-year-old man, for goodness' sake. He's not even like 18-19; he's a full adult. I feel sorry for you that the fandom is this bad now.
>>7791>I think that cutesy games like these attract these people because they come and expect them to be their super harmless toddler stories but then realise that there are actual villains in there. Even if that was the expectation, it's still insane to get that upset over the villains. Like a lot of people, I was really young when I played the games, and they weren't too scary for a literal child. They should not be too scary for grown adults in their 20s. What? Are things like Land Before Time and Warrior Cats too scary for them, too? There's nothing, even kids' media, that has zero conflict. Even children will find that boring.