No.5296
Do you know that feeling? In the course of years you see a certain series popping up over and over again. You look it up once and realise that its run has ended but it was super popular, enough to make even you aware of it, albeit a bit later. But you are annoyed by the hype or think it has potential but postpone it. Years later you finally engage with it and it blows your mind, but the fandom is already dead, save for a handful of OC shippers, MC troonifier and a few cringe kinners.
I am prone to this so I force myself to engage sooner these days. It happened too many times. It's cool browsing and finding so many artists that were drawing for it, but it's also depressing when they are all long since dead and gone or even deleted their art.
No.5297
>>5296Is this about Homestuck? Either way I can relate a little. I played a game a few years after it launched in the west and got insane brainworms and while I'd say the fandom is not super tiny, it's like really neutered? Most of the people who like it just talk about how much they like it rather than drawing/writing stuff, it's weird. I think it's because it seems to be male dominated–I had to dig a little to find shippers and then dig a lot to find the blessed fujos.
>even deleted their artThere is nothing more depressing than finding an artist who drew exactly the shit you got online to see only to have their art living in the form of reblogs, their blog long deleted.
No.5298
Fuuuuuck stop namedropping Homestuck every time I want to share my feelings about my Homestuck fandom but it is not really Homestuck but a fancomic arghh
I stuck loving the guy everyone hates and makes fun of, and shipping the pair of only-mentioned men I'm so infatuated by them I can't bare it, but I can't share it in Homestuck threads because I hate to bring attention to project what has little anything do with Homestuck elements instead of relying on trolls and turning it into game of thrones. The worst thing I'm making exact same AU prequel with ancestors with same route and ending up simultaneously copying the original story. I'm stuck but it feels so good.
No.5300
>>5297Funny enough no. Believe it or not I am online since the late 90s and used tumblr since 2012 but never heard of homestuck till a few years ago (and it was on 4chan). Different bubble I guess.
It's about different kinds of series, especially cartoons, games and comics since I am less likely to check them out, unlike manga/anime where I watch a lot simultaneously. Though it happened there as well. TTGL and CG were such cases and even 15 years later I am still mad. Learned my lesson though and never ignored a widely popular anime again during their own season. I might drop them but this is fine, I don't want to risk missing a potential fandom again, I was there back then and still ignored all these fun threads.
No.5301
>>5296This feeling is all i've ever known, with maybe one or two exceptions.
No.5455
>>5441do one better and write a fic where Marina cuts his hair, stops crossdressing and rails that ptsd twink and the nazi faggot with his masculine 9+ incher
No.5457
>>5455Oh they'd kill me. But lmao
No.5705
>>5441As much as I like the game and dark rpgs, the fandom is hopelessly infested. I think Levi/Marina can be a somewhat cute ship since they're both Prehevilian and both the same age, but I don't have super strong feelings about them as a pair. I made the mistake of looking in the discord and it's infested with creepy fat middle-aged moids who are obsessed with a cross-dressing 18 year old boy and will rabidly attack anyone who disagrees with them. Shouldn't they be mowing the lawn or something?
No.5706
>>5705Yeah you're right about the infestation. It's seriously depressing. It's a dark game and yet people into it are so weirdly sensitive. It makes me so upset because I love it and its prequel.
No.6146
>>5441I might take one for the team and just write a Marilevi trap fic… where Marina is consistently refered to with female pronouns up until the sex part where he reveals he is actually a male and regrets being raised as a girl and proceeds to fuck the shit out of Levi…
Also i find it hilarious that people ship the uwu transfem character with a heroin addict… truly sides of the same coin
No.6149
>>6146I look forward to it! It would be cute if it initially starts off with some fumbling and Levi thinking hes taking the lead only for Marina to turn the tables and reveal his true intentions…. bonus points if Marina's the more experienced one of the two
No.6153
>>6146>>6149perhaps start it off with Levi withdrawing so Marina "injects" him and fills him up with a different sort of needle
No.6157
>>6146Let us know if you do it. I wish I had the balls man
No.6162
>>6149>>6153Thank you for the great ideas!
>>6157Nona i encourage you to write and publish your own "TERF-y" fics, in the age of boypussy and girldick we need more writers who are not afraid to speak the truth.
I'll make sure to send a link here if I finish writing it.
No.6167
>>6162Damn he looks like jesus here, I remember seeing twitter gendies explode over this fanart lol
No.6193
>>6162Ahh maybe I'll make a burner account just to put it out there. The main idea is that it's a pre-canon story where we follow Sam who is stalking the shit out of Marina and making all of these assumptions about who Marina is and what Marina struggles with. Like, she knows Marina is male but thinks there is dysphoria, similar to her own pain. When she finally gets the balls to drug or kidnap Marina and put her in the school's basement or shed or whatever, and finally gets to talk to her idol Marina, Marina shatters every expectation (sort of like in game, but this time it revolves around his gender and how he feels about himself).
Marina isn't weak and he doesn't hurt like she does. They have no "connection." She just breaks. Samarie has to gag him and starve him and shit until he's cooperative. Noncons him a lot, penetrates him with her fingers or uses him like a human dildo. Dresses him up and shit.
Anyway, this ends unresolved with Samarie indefinitely keeping the missing student locked away and facing no punishment, carrying on going to classes and spending her nights with her "girlfriend."
No.6195
>>6194>>6162>>6146As someone who doesn't play this game I'm curious to know whether this character is canon trans or the type of character that Bridget was before being ruined to pander to troons.
No.6196
>>6195More of the first. He's not explicitly called trans in the game because it wouldn't make sense for the setting, but the creator confirmed it. His backstory is basically that his mother raised him as a girl to avoid some cult thing and he's fine with it so that makes him trans. Sort of annoys me that the creator couldn't just make a female 'main' character and had to insert some troon background honestly.
No.6197
>>6196>>6195A little from column A, a little from column B. The character is not trans because that sort of thing didn't even exist, also in order to be trans you'd have to be raised one way and then live another later in life.
Like you're not trans if you were literally raised to be a girl (even if you were male), you're just abused.
No.6829
>>3986>Dead/Small fandom bluesI used to be in the Deep-Sea Prisoner fandom circa 2015. It was never a "big" thing and you had tumblr tards harrassing the dev for drawing lolisho even before that type stuff was as controversial as it is today. But at least the fandom gatekept itself by having a lot of nsfw creators, having the games being only playable on PC and those works having dark tropes/themes.
I tried to get back into it recently despite how dead it is, and a majority of the nu fans are either teens or preteens who hate the creator for making problematic content yet still consume her work while also bitching about "ze evil proshippers" despite DSP being a fujo herself and stating that she would continue drawing "problematic" stuff. Apparently she recently drew a tomboy character with big tits and that was enough to piss the whole fandom off, which is pretty insane considering she's drawn far worse in the past. The fandom's a shell of its former self compared to its glory days so I just stopped engaging with it altogether.
No.6830
>>6827I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it first hand. Absolutely insistent that the mangaka is NOT a shotacon and that Sebaciel is NOT supposed to be a thing and definitely NOT appealing to it's viewers. Come the fuck on, you are willfully blind if you can't tell this chick is a shotacon and that the series became popular BECAUSE of Sebaciel. Why would you read this or watch this if you don't like it? I assume anyone that watches or reads BB is a shotacon including the people who complain about Sebaciel because there's no way the story is good enough to pull people past all the age gap slashbait if they don't like it.
No.6832
>>6827>>6828>>6829>>6830Masochistic antis genuinely need to be studied in a lab because I don't understand how anyone who hates problematic media can still consume it while shitting on it and its intended audience. Do they secretly enjoy it or are they just deluding themselves into thinking it's not 'problematic'?.
No.6833
>>6832It reminds me of the bluesky antis shitting themselves when people made blocklists so they don't have to interact with them. They are hypocrites. They want to enjoy not only the problematic content but also want to enjoy feeling morally superior to others who don't self flagellate over cartoons.
No.6843
>>6827I get not shipping sebaciel, I don't ship them either but saying their relationship is father/son like? What the fuck kind of relationship do these people have with their parents? Should we call CPS? Last time I saw that was with two characters from JJK where one guy basically worships the other and acts like an assistant/bodyguard and since ##they hold hands in the last chapters and it's implied they love each other somehow## but one of them is shorter than the other everyone was saying the exact same thing about them. Even though the shorter guy keeps saying he'll commit seppuku or will let the other kill him whenever he messes up something. If your father treats you like that you should call the police.
No.6844
>>6827I can't stand the western part of this fandom in general because even the pro Sebaciel community is insufferable, just in a different way. It's full of mpreg-obsessed genderspecial women who turn Ciel into their self-insert.
No.6845
>>6828>>6830>>6832True, they do look like massive hypocrites. I just won't believe that the antis had zero issues with the fanservice until this late in the series. It's so clear that they're still into it, but want to cover their asses.
>>6843You're right, it is really telling, when they want to force something so problematic to be tolerable and safe to them. It makes them sounds disturbed themselves.
>>6844Thats so true about the western fandom. It's so crazy that both extremes can exist, though I can at least understand the proshippers since the series encourages the ship. What I hate to see them bash other ships and female characters. I do feel like this type of fan are
usually younger and because of that they are unfortunately louder.
No.6855
>>6846Nona, we all use the "all" page.
>>6844The only way this could be acceptable is if it's horror mpreg, get a little demon spawn meatbabies going on. I remember discussing something like that for Ciel back in the old fandom so I doubt anyone entertains the thought now.
No.6921
>>6827>>6828God the Kuroshitsuji fandom is in such a sorry state. I can't stop fucking cringing, there is no site that isn't infected by these types. I love that the Kuroshitsuji mangaka is doing well and that the show is continuing (personally I really want to see the idol arc animated!) even after all this time, but in my opinion this current generation of fans just can't handle it. It's true that the newer fans are coping hard when it comes to the nature of the story and all of it's fanservice. Back in the day it was clear that BB was the shotabait show. Sure, you weren't strong armed into shipping sebasciel, but you either accepted that it was there or moved on. I can't understand how new fans can delude themselves so hard. Why push themselves to like something that they clearly think is problematic?
The newest season, The Green Witch arc, has a nymphomaniac loli character and I can just anticipate the meltdown it'll cause kek. I wonder what mental gymnastics the puritans will pull to make her comfy and soft.
No.6922
>>6921Ngl the thing I hate most about the English speaking bb fandom is how they call Grell a woman, he's a gay man ffs
Also getting into a series that's main draw is the implied homosexuality between a sexy demon butler and his shota master and then pretending that actually this is soft and not problematic don't lewd the shotabait is so fucking stupid
No.6924
>>6921>Why push themselves to like something that they clearly think is problematic?Because they actually like it, but don't want to give up policing others and "cancelling" people for no good reason. They want to have it both ways, they're a performative bunch.
No.6940
>>6923>the fucking demotivational poster and the blingeethanks for transporting me back into my 11 year old self anon
No.6960
>>6922I can see why the Grell situation is a thing because from what I remember he refers to himself as female but the other characters just call him a dude so those parts of the fanbase probably consider it 'gender affirming' to refer to Grell as a her. I guess this is the Okama achetype, right?
No.6990
>>6960>I guess this is the Okama achetypeYes, Grell is described as an okama. If there's something I learned it's that the west will never understand that okama are just really gay dudes. To them they're always trans.
No.6991
>>6960>>6990exactly, the western equivalent would be treating twinks like they're trans though i've seen a lot of gender fans do this regardless
No.6993
>>6990They can comprehend drag queens and faggy gays like Jeffree Star being gay men but not okama for some reason even though they're basically equivalent to each other
No.7025
>>6991>treating twinks like they're transThey already do that with crossdressing characters and bishounen already
No.7068
>>7066its even tougher when the series is a media with a contained ending so theres not really any theorizing or headcanoning to be made as the story has already served its course.
the AU fics start getting desperate and turn to vampires/werewolves omegaverse everyone survives AUs in a game about cowboys in the 19th century; theyve completely lost the plot along the way in trying to make more of the stagnant series.
this phenomenon is especially bad with vidya since its very rare do the games have a sequel, nonetheless a good one that matches up to its predecessor.
On one hand you'd wish they'd make the sequel so the old fans could return and discussion could come back, but on the other hand worst case scenario it's low effort and the only conception of the series is the shitty cash grab that ruined the canon.
No.7070
>>7066Very common imo I always get into shows well after they've finished airing, so I'm left in an asylum of people who are so starving for new content they start making up crazy shit and like you said treat the AUs like it's the actual series.
>>7068 Agreed with the sequel dilemma. I don't think it'd stop those kind of people in the fandom from writing insane stuff though kek. I think even if a sequel is made they're too far gone to even be the target audience for it, so real fans are just left with a steaming pile of shit not worth discussing let alone consuming.
>the AU fics start getting desperateI've been witnessing a fic author writing this insanely long AU of multiple different versions of 1 character all living together and having sex for 1000 chapters and I'm tempted to ask her if she's ok.
No.7071
Honestly I like joining fandoms late because I enjoy the massive backlog of content, I hardly talk with real people and mainly just read and write by myself so the "party" being dead has no bearing on my enjoyment of trawling 15 year old FF stories.
No.7072
>>7071Id imagine its easier to look at backlogs from western creators but god is tracing back Asian fanart near impossible since most of the time their accounts get nuked after switching interests from a media nowadays. the only proof they even existed in the first place are from highly compressed pinterest reposts, which most of the time dont contain their entire gallery.
its especially a shame if the account is somehow left untouched on twitter since public archiving is obsolete on the damn site and is unable to load posts more than 7+ year old. plus the search feature is fucking broken so its not like you can search tweets from that account within a timeframe. stupid fucking site i could go on and on about how it went to the shitter and ruined modern fandom for good..
No.7073
>>7072I would genuinely love to know why Japanese fan artist are so much more prone to nuking their shit
No.7082
>>7073Probably insecurity. I can kind of relate I am very insecure about posting my art on tumblr or twitter and be seen while simultaneously desiring to contribute to a fandom I love and shill my favorite ship.
For me it's not even about actual conflicts, I never had issues with antis or anything, it's just some anxiety knowing that the whole world can see your coomer or shipping art. It's somehow a very private thing to reveal, something not even my friends know much about and I don't talk about feelings IRL so posting that feels weird lol. From what I have heard certain Asian cultures seem to be way more introverted too compared to westerners and especially US Americans.
I was always baffled by their ability to overshare the most cringe private things online without a hint of shame or fear lol
I am also the guy that makes new accounts for certain fandoms because I am afraid to "reveal" too much on a single account and I also don't want to bother my followers with a second fandom they're most likely not into.
I nuked shit in the past for feeling insecure about my old art but I try to not do this anymore.
No.7099
>>7073I wonder if it's something related to copyright laws. Even though doujin culture is a thing, I noticed there's some artists on the commission platform Skeb who will only draw OCs and don't count MMO player characters as OCs. Also JP users will more often put big copyright markers on game screenshots they post on twitter. While that's not directly related to a JP artist nuking their pixiv, it makes me think that they're super antsy about offending the copyright holders of the characters they're drawing and that would make it more likely for them to find a reason to delete everything.