/ot/ - Off-Topic

>>6146
>>6149
perhaps start it off with Levi withdrawing so Marina "injects" him and fills him up with a different sort of needle

>>6146
Let us know if you do it. I wish I had the balls man

>>6149
>>6153
Thank you for the great ideas!

>>6157
Nona i encourage you to write and publish your own "TERF-y" fics, in the age of boypussy and girldick we need more writers who are not afraid to speak the truth.

I'll make sure to send a link here if I finish writing it.

>>6162
Damn he looks like jesus here, I remember seeing twitter gendies explode over this fanart lol

>>6162
Ahh maybe I'll make a burner account just to put it out there. The main idea is that it's a pre-canon story where we follow Sam who is stalking the shit out of Marina and making all of these assumptions about who Marina is and what Marina struggles with. Like, she knows Marina is male but thinks there is dysphoria, similar to her own pain. When she finally gets the balls to drug or kidnap Marina and put her in the school's basement or shed or whatever, and finally gets to talk to her idol Marina, Marina shatters every expectation (sort of like in game, but this time it revolves around his gender and how he feels about himself).

Marina isn't weak and he doesn't hurt like she does. They have no "connection." She just breaks. Samarie has to gag him and starve him and shit until he's cooperative. Noncons him a lot, penetrates him with her fingers or uses him like a human dildo. Dresses him up and shit.

Anyway, this ends unresolved with Samarie indefinitely keeping the missing student locked away and facing no punishment, carrying on going to classes and spending her nights with her "girlfriend."

>>6162
https://x.com/pyro_cri/status/1734873830680564045
Also, if anybody wants a nice laugh.

>>6194
>>6162
>>6146
As someone who doesn't play this game I'm curious to know whether this character is canon trans or the type of character that Bridget was before being ruined to pander to troons.

>>6195
More of the first. He's not explicitly called trans in the game because it wouldn't make sense for the setting, but the creator confirmed it. His backstory is basically that his mother raised him as a girl to avoid some cult thing and he's fine with it so that makes him trans. Sort of annoys me that the creator couldn't just make a female 'main' character and had to insert some troon background honestly.

>>6196
>>6195
A little from column A, a little from column B. The character is not trans because that sort of thing didn't even exist, also in order to be trans you'd have to be raised one way and then live another later in life.

Like you're not trans if you were literally raised to be a girl (even if you were male), you're just abused.

The Kuroshitsuji fandom is still pretty small I suppose, desite it's recent resurgence after to the 4th season coming out. The fandom isn't anything like it was in 2008-12 and it seems like most of the newer fans are "lost". I keep seeing post on mostly reddit, complaining about sebasciel shipping and spewing that about how everything must be interpreted as paternal platonic or whatever. It's the hardest cope I've ever seen, especially considering all this fuss is coming out of the 4th season. How could anyone last that long, with all the teasing the mangaka adds into the story and still have that standpoint. Why not just stop watching/reading? I'm not even big on sebasciel, but come on, it's really clear why there are a lot of shippers for it.

Picrel is season 2 promo art, kek

>>6827
>complaining about sebasciel shipping and spewing that about how everything must be interpreted as paternal platonic
can these losers watch Bluey instead and fuck off? I never understood why people will watch something that blatantly does something ~problematic~ but bully fans who do the same thing the show does

>>3986
>Dead/Small fandom blues
I used to be in the Deep-Sea Prisoner fandom circa 2015. It was never a "big" thing and you had tumblr tards harrassing the dev for drawing lolisho even before that type stuff was as controversial as it is today. But at least the fandom gatekept itself by having a lot of nsfw creators, having the games being only playable on PC and those works having dark tropes/themes.

I tried to get back into it recently despite how dead it is, and a majority of the nu fans are either teens or preteens who hate the creator for making problematic content yet still consume her work while also bitching about "ze evil proshippers" despite DSP being a fujo herself and stating that she would continue drawing "problematic" stuff. Apparently she recently drew a tomboy character with big tits and that was enough to piss the whole fandom off, which is pretty insane considering she's drawn far worse in the past. The fandom's a shell of its former self compared to its glory days so I just stopped engaging with it altogether.

>>6827
I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it first hand. Absolutely insistent that the mangaka is NOT a shotacon and that Sebaciel is NOT supposed to be a thing and definitely NOT appealing to it's viewers. Come the fuck on, you are willfully blind if you can't tell this chick is a shotacon and that the series became popular BECAUSE of Sebaciel. Why would you read this or watch this if you don't like it? I assume anyone that watches or reads BB is a shotacon including the people who complain about Sebaciel because there's no way the story is good enough to pull people past all the age gap slashbait if they don't like it.

>>6827
>>6828
>>6829
>>6830
Masochistic antis genuinely need to be studied in a lab because I don't understand how anyone who hates problematic media can still consume it while shitting on it and its intended audience. Do they secretly enjoy it or are they just deluding themselves into thinking it's not 'problematic'?.

>>6832
It reminds me of the bluesky antis shitting themselves when people made blocklists so they don't have to interact with them. They are hypocrites. They want to enjoy not only the problematic content but also want to enjoy feeling morally superior to others who don't self flagellate over cartoons.

>>6827
I get not shipping sebaciel, I don't ship them either but saying their relationship is father/son like? What the fuck kind of relationship do these people have with their parents? Should we call CPS? Last time I saw that was with two characters from JJK where one guy basically worships the other and acts like an assistant/bodyguard and since ##they hold hands in the last chapters and it's implied they love each other somehow## but one of them is shorter than the other everyone was saying the exact same thing about them. Even though the shorter guy keeps saying he'll commit seppuku or will let the other kill him whenever he messes up something. If your father treats you like that you should call the police.

>>6827
I can't stand the western part of this fandom in general because even the pro Sebaciel community is insufferable, just in a different way. It's full of mpreg-obsessed genderspecial women who turn Ciel into their self-insert.

>>6828
>>6830
>>6832

True, they do look like massive hypocrites. I just won't believe that the antis had zero issues with the fanservice until this late in the series. It's so clear that they're still into it, but want to cover their asses.

>>6843

You're right, it is really telling, when they want to force something so problematic to be tolerable and safe to them. It makes them sounds disturbed themselves.

>>6844

Thats so true about the western fandom. It's so crazy that both extremes can exist, though I can at least understand the proshippers since the series encourages the ship. What I hate to see them bash other ships and female characters. I do feel like this type of fan are
usually younger and because of that they are unfortunately louder.

>>4338
>>4332
>>4334
>>4340
>>4348
There is a thread https://fujochan.org/f/res/3176.html

>>6846
Nona, we all use the "all" page.

>>6844
The only way this could be acceptable is if it's horror mpreg, get a little demon spawn meatbabies going on. I remember discussing something like that for Ciel back in the old fandom so I doubt anyone entertains the thought now.

>>6827
>>6828
God the Kuroshitsuji fandom is in such a sorry state. I can't stop fucking cringing, there is no site that isn't infected by these types. I love that the Kuroshitsuji mangaka is doing well and that the show is continuing (personally I really want to see the idol arc animated!) even after all this time, but in my opinion this current generation of fans just can't handle it. It's true that the newer fans are coping hard when it comes to the nature of the story and all of it's fanservice. Back in the day it was clear that BB was the shotabait show. Sure, you weren't strong armed into shipping sebasciel, but you either accepted that it was there or moved on. I can't understand how new fans can delude themselves so hard. Why push themselves to like something that they clearly think is problematic?
The newest season, The Green Witch arc, has a nymphomaniac loli character and I can just anticipate the meltdown it'll cause kek. I wonder what mental gymnastics the puritans will pull to make her comfy and soft.

>>6921
Ngl the thing I hate most about the English speaking bb fandom is how they call Grell a woman, he's a gay man ffs
Also getting into a series that's main draw is the implied homosexuality between a sexy demon butler and his shota master and then pretending that actually this is soft and not problematic don't lewd the shotabait is so fucking stupid

>>6922
I wonder how they'd react if you started going 'back in my day the shotabait was the draw'.

>>6921
>Why push themselves to like something that they clearly think is problematic?
Because they actually like it, but don't want to give up policing others and "cancelling" people for no good reason. They want to have it both ways, they're a performative bunch.

>>6923
>the fucking demotivational poster and the blingee
thanks for transporting me back into my 11 year old self anon

>>6922
I can see why the Grell situation is a thing because from what I remember he refers to himself as female but the other characters just call him a dude so those parts of the fanbase probably consider it 'gender affirming' to refer to Grell as a her. I guess this is the Okama achetype, right?

>>6960
>I guess this is the Okama achetype
Yes, Grell is described as an okama. If there's something I learned it's that the west will never understand that okama are just really gay dudes. To them they're always trans.

>>6960
>>6990
exactly, the western equivalent would be treating twinks like they're trans though i've seen a lot of gender fans do this regardless

>>6990
They can comprehend drag queens and faggy gays like Jeffree Star being gay men but not okama for some reason even though they're basically equivalent to each other

>>6991
>treating twinks like they're trans
They already do that with crossdressing characters and bishounen already

Not sure how common this is but I experienced a few times how joining a fandom too late will make you end up in a community that is only related to the series by name. After a while you realise that they only cling to fanon derivatives of even earlier fanon derivatives of the original series because the old fandom has long since discussed canon to death, so the only thing that remains are rehashed tired tropes and fic based alternative universes.

Sometimes these AUs will attract fans on their own that don't even care about the canon series they're based of anymore and you basically talk to people who are fan of a completely different thing you are into.

Sadly, it happens again and again to me. Because I am stubborn or lazy. But I learned my lesson after the frustrating last time and now I try to get into everything that looks interesting or that artists with a similar taste as mine are enjoying at the moment. It's too sad to fall in love with a series only to witness hundreds of great art and theory accounts that are all long since abandoned.

>>7066
its even tougher when the series is a media with a contained ending so theres not really any theorizing or headcanoning to be made as the story has already served its course.
the AU fics start getting desperate and turn to vampires/werewolves omegaverse everyone survives AUs in a game about cowboys in the 19th century; theyve completely lost the plot along the way in trying to make more of the stagnant series.
this phenomenon is especially bad with vidya since its very rare do the games have a sequel, nonetheless a good one that matches up to its predecessor.
On one hand you'd wish they'd make the sequel so the old fans could return and discussion could come back, but on the other hand worst case scenario it's low effort and the only conception of the series is the shitty cash grab that ruined the canon.

>>7066
Very common imo I always get into shows well after they've finished airing, so I'm left in an asylum of people who are so starving for new content they start making up crazy shit and like you said treat the AUs like it's the actual series.
>>7068
Agreed with the sequel dilemma. I don't think it'd stop those kind of people in the fandom from writing insane stuff though kek. I think even if a sequel is made they're too far gone to even be the target audience for it, so real fans are just left with a steaming pile of shit not worth discussing let alone consuming.

>the AU fics start getting desperate
I've been witnessing a fic author writing this insanely long AU of multiple different versions of 1 character all living together and having sex for 1000 chapters and I'm tempted to ask her if she's ok.

Honestly I like joining fandoms late because I enjoy the massive backlog of content, I hardly talk with real people and mainly just read and write by myself so the "party" being dead has no bearing on my enjoyment of trawling 15 year old FF stories.

>>7071
Id imagine its easier to look at backlogs from western creators but god is tracing back Asian fanart near impossible since most of the time their accounts get nuked after switching interests from a media nowadays. the only proof they even existed in the first place are from highly compressed pinterest reposts, which most of the time dont contain their entire gallery.

its especially a shame if the account is somehow left untouched on twitter since public archiving is obsolete on the damn site and is unable to load posts more than 7+ year old. plus the search feature is fucking broken so its not like you can search tweets from that account within a timeframe. stupid fucking site i could go on and on about how it went to the shitter and ruined modern fandom for good..

>>7072
I would genuinely love to know why Japanese fan artist are so much more prone to nuking their shit

>>7073
Probably insecurity. I can kind of relate I am very insecure about posting my art on tumblr or twitter and be seen while simultaneously desiring to contribute to a fandom I love and shill my favorite ship.
For me it's not even about actual conflicts, I never had issues with antis or anything, it's just some anxiety knowing that the whole world can see your coomer or shipping art. It's somehow a very private thing to reveal, something not even my friends know much about and I don't talk about feelings IRL so posting that feels weird lol. From what I have heard certain Asian cultures seem to be way more introverted too compared to westerners and especially US Americans.

I was always baffled by their ability to overshare the most cringe private things online without a hint of shame or fear lol
I am also the guy that makes new accounts for certain fandoms because I am afraid to "reveal" too much on a single account and I also don't want to bother my followers with a second fandom they're most likely not into.

I nuked shit in the past for feeling insecure about my old art but I try to not do this anymore.

>>7073
I wonder if it's something related to copyright laws. Even though doujin culture is a thing, I noticed there's some artists on the commission platform Skeb who will only draw OCs and don't count MMO player characters as OCs. Also JP users will more often put big copyright markers on game screenshots they post on twitter. While that's not directly related to a JP artist nuking their pixiv, it makes me think that they're super antsy about offending the copyright holders of the characters they're drawing and that would make it more likely for them to find a reason to delete everything.

I just started playing the Professor Layton games and I'm in love with the characters… but it seems like the last time the fandom was really "active" was in the early 2010s on tumblr, so I joined really late. There's a new game coming out in 2025, but it doesn't have the charm that the old games used to have (and it seems like a lousy cash grab, IMO). The new people that do end up joining the fandom always complain about the villains being "problematic" and all that, and it's so tiring.

>>7774
Layton was great. I usually don't like cute shit but in that case I love the art style and the storeis were always fantastic.
Imagine my sadness when I realised that a lot of casuals skip the the story in this. It even happened with a person I considered to be better than this. They only play it for the puzzles. The puzzles ARE cool, but why would you skip every single cut scene without even giving it a chance aaaaaaah
This is why we get so much shit these days.

>>7775
You have any favorite characters? or specific games in the series? I'm in love with the villains in this series if you can't already tell, haha. I'm surprised people only play Layton for the puzzles and not the characters, I was the opposite, but I try to at least play through the games before looking up the answer. It actually kinda seems like most the new fans of the Layton games don't actually touch the games, so it's hard to connect with them.

>>7774
Omg I loved these games as a kid. I cried so hard in Unwound Future; it's still one of my all-time favorite games nearly a decade-and-a-half after first playing it. Did you play the London Life segment in Last Specter (I think it was that game)? It was so much fun, and I wasted so much time on it. I didn't like the transition to 3D because it took away some of the old art style's charm. Also, the crossover game with Ace Attorney was, at the time, the most excited I'd ever been for a game in my life kek. It made absolutely no sense and was goofy as hell, but that's what made it so charming.
>There's a new game coming out in 2025, but it doesn't have the charm that the old games used to have (and it seems like a lousy cash grab, IMO)
I kind of think the whole series has gotten more and more cash-grabby over the years, and it kind of lost its charm. The Mystery Room spin-off didn't even feel like a Layton game. The Mystery Journey game also felt very cash-grabby, and I was so disappointed because I'd been wanting a follow-up to the 3rd game for years (since the games that were released immediately after were prequels). I think the series should've ended with the original trilogy, but I know that's an unpopular opinion because a lot of people like the prequels.
>The new people that do end up joining the fandom always complain about the villains being "problematic" and all that
Wait, really? I haven't been involved with the fanbase in years. I remember people (including me) being obsessed with Clive back in the day, and he's pretty 'problematic,' I guess. Still, the games are fairly kid-friendly overall, so I don't know how 'problematic' the villains could really be compared to villains from other series.

>>7780
>Also, the crossover game with Ace Attorney was, at the time, the most excited I'd ever been for a game in my life kek. It made absolutely no sense and was goofy as hell, but that's what made it so charming.
I'm not a layton fan but I'm an ace attorney fan so I got that game just to play every ace attorney game and it was a wild experience. I don't like puzzle games so I skipped as many of the puzzles as possible but I did end up enjoying the layton cast from a writing POV even though this was the first time I experienced them.

>>7781
All of the Layton games are like that lol. My favorite is the second game's twist, where they're investigating a box that supposedly kills anyone who opens it, as well as a man who appears to look identical to how he did 50 years ago. It turns out everyone is fucking hallucinating because of hallucinogenic gas in the box.

>>7780
(reposting because I can't seem to spoiler the text??)
I actually can't play London Life, kek…. I was playing the European version, but there's always emulation for that I suppose. I skipped Last Specter for now because I didn't really like the pacing. I'm nearly done with Miracle Mask and it's definitely one of my favorites. Unwound Future is my favorite game too, heh.
>I think the series should've ended with the original trilogy, but I know that's an unpopular opinion because a lot of people like the prequels.
Honestly, I agree, Miracle Mask has a bunch of writing problems, and from what I was spoiled on Azran Legacy, it gets so ridiculously over the top that I don't really want to play it. But I do like Sycamore from what I've seen of him, so I may play it just to see how he is, kek. Haven't played LMJ but I don't plan to because it just seems… a bit soulless?
>I don't know how 'problematic' the villains could really be compared to villains from other series.
Yeah, unfortunately the modern fandom has gone after PL3's villain. People really get pissed off if you like him as a character, or think he's attractive, because "u-uh, he killed thousands of people, he's just like Hitler uwu", which is pretty surprising considering he was kind of a sexyman back in the early 2010s. I'm seeing this similar sentiment with PL5's villain recently, too, where some people think he's "problematic" because he intended to kill everyone in that city, and because "he treats his girlfriend like if she's just some object instead of a person, so he's a terrible boyfriend". Like these characters are fictional…
It's so exhausting to see. ffs the main character looks like a Lego man, you'd think they'd have better things to complain about.

>>7785
> I was playing the European version
I totally forgot the European version didn't get that fun game mode. It almost felt like a proto-Fantasy Life (one of the company's other series).
> I was spoiled on Azran Legacy, it gets so ridiculously over the top that I don't really want to play it. But I do like Sycamore from what I've seen of him, so I may play it just to see how he is, kek.
If you do, please feel free to rant about it because it was SO ridiculous kek. I know all the games have BS plot twists, but Azran Legacy felt the most like actual magic. It's been around 10 years since I played it (I didn't like it), so maybe I'm misremembering, but the thing with the golems didn't feel like the "improbable technology" I'd come to expect from the previous entries; it was more just like "hey, this ancient civilization has Actual, Literal Magic. Like, I love the goofy plot twists, but it just felt very… uncharacteristic for the series, I guess? It didn't help that there were a ton of twists revealed in rapid-fire succession near the end. There were some fun elements, like learning more about one certain character and traveling to a bunch of different distinct locations, but it's not a great send-off to the series.
>"u-uh, he killed thousands of people, he's just like Hitler uwu"
This is so crazy when I think of the characters who were tumblr sexymen back then because so many of them were murderous psychopaths kek (I'm thinking like Bill Cipher, Eridan Ampora, Tony the Talking Clock, etc). Like, that was so many sexymen's whole shtick and now it's a bad thing. I cannot imagine taking Professor Layton, a series which has such realistic writing like "there is a replica of London built underground specifically created to gaslight the leads into thinking they time traveled" or "the entire town was robots" or the fact that one of the main characters can literally talk to animals. It's like online fans have completely forgotten how to have fun.
>I can't seem to spoiler the text??
If you don't know, FC uses asterisks to spoiler text, so you'd put two asterisks before and after the words you want to spoiler. Like, * * spoiler here * * without the spaces. If I misunderstood your post and you already knew how and it's just not working, then I'm really sorry!

>>7786
Holy shit, you're a lifesaver for the spoiler tip! I was using BBCode like a dumbass because most other boards used that. Anyways, back to my Layton sperging:
>I totally forgot the European version didn't get that fun game mode. It almost felt like a proto-Fantasy Life (one of the company's other series).
I think if I remember right, Wiimmfi has support for the online mode? One of my friends told me about it, so when I get back to Last Specter, I can always give it a shot, kek.
>If you do, please feel free to rant about it because it was SO ridiculous kek.
So, like I've said, I haven't played it, but from what I know, the plot twists were just… so bullshit and over the top, like I've said. I'm not a fan of the "terrorist organization" plotline, and I didn't like how Miracle Mask had that too. Actually, I have a lot of problems with Miracle Mask, but this is about Azran Legacy, so…. yeah. Apparently the whole cast dies at the end of Azran Legacy and just get revived with some weirdass magic? And then there's SO much shit, like "oh, Descole and Layton are brothers now… and they have a connection to the terrorist organization! AND Emmy betrays the leads because we need a way to write her out of the story! AND Layton is actually adopted, and does some name-swap thing!" Like you've said, all the games have bullshit plot twists, but it seemed over the top from what I've read. By learning more about a certain character, did you mean Descole? Because if so, I kinda agree. But I don't like how he ended up being the "true mastermind all along!" in Miracle Mask. It would've been a lot better if Randall became a villain on his own accord instead of his entire "evil" plots literally coming from Descole lying to him, and the game goes like "whoop, Randall didn't do anything wrong! Everyone just forgives him now!

>>7788
(continued because my body was apparently too long to post…?)
> It's like online fans have completely forgotten how to have fun.
That's my problem with being online in public spaces, and you can't forget that people get mad at you for every little thing, too. It hurts more in smaller fandoms like Layton because since the games are more dead/less popular, you keep seeing the same two or three people over and over, and they kinda end up making their own rules for other people to follow. (Spoilers for Unwound Future) I kinda have a feeling that these new "fandom lords" or something are probably the reason why Clive is considered "problematic" now. There was a recent fan poll on Tumblr (I think?) that was one of those classic "smash or pass" things, but with Dimitri vs Clive, and Clive ended up losing, because a lot of people voted for Dimitri out of spite, instead of liking the character. One of the Clive fans pointed out that it seemed like that the fans have to basically change their tastes, because it was more "socially acceptable" to not like Clive, because 1. he blew up London with a giant robot and 2. he's a "pretty boy", and "people nowadays should be liking older men uwu". I don't have anything against Dimitri as a character, I actually think he's pretty cool, but the whole thing just… rubbed me the wrong way. Makes me wish we were still in 2013 with Legal Luke taking over DeviantArt and all that.

Layton games are made for me because I love the puzzles and the stories and twist these games tend to have. And I love these types of simple designs. I have yet to play the last few games though.
>>7789
I think that cutesy games like these attract these people because they come and expect them to be their super harmless toddler stories but then realise that there are actual villains in there. It's still stupid and I cannot grasp how someone has to be raised to act like a Christian panic Karen in their twenties. They should go back watching the Smurfs or MLP or something.
>spoiler
I wonder how brainwashed someone has to be to vote for the thing they like less in an online poll. Others don't even see what you are voting for lol
But this is exactly the reason for why I left tumblr behind. I dunno, tumblr users always claim that twitter was worse, but the only fans I ever meet on twitter are Chinese and Japanese fans that are super chill and make great fanart.

>>7788
>By learning more about a certain character, did you mean Descole?
Yes, I did! Like you, I wasn't a fan of the brothers twist, but I liked seeing him take the role of an ally as Professor Sycamore. Like, it was nice to see him in a different context from what we'd seen up to that point. I remember there were theories about them being related prior to release, but I was really hoping it wouldn't be the case.
>But I don't like how he ended up being the "true mastermind all along!" in Miracle Mask. It would've been a lot better if Randall became a villain on his own accord instead of his entire "evil" plots literally coming from Descole
I agree with this very much, especially because there was enough going on with the characters that it really didn't need Descole as the mastermind Like, it made enough sense without shoehorning him into the plot. I did really like Henry from that game, though. It was semi-popular to ship him with Randall because it really did come across as though he were in love with Randall, if I recall (or, at least, I liked that pairing and maybe it just seemed popular to me because of that lol). It kind of lessened the impact to just have a random third party pulling the strings. In a way, Descole kind of felt like if Don Paolo were the true mastermind behind the first three games. Like, he was such an omnipotent character involved with so many different heavy plot things instead of just showing up and being a fun side antagonist, if that makes sense?
>>7789
>a lot of people voted for Dimitri out of spite
They're both villains, so that makes zero sense. I get he was "less bad" or whatever, but at the end of the day, they're both criminals. Of course, this is ignoring the fact that none of this is real and people are angry that a fictional man committed crimes against Fictional London.
>he's a "pretty boy", and "people nowadays should be liking older men uwu"
That's so ridiculous. He is a 23 or 24-year-old man, for goodness' sake. He's not even like 18-19; he's a full adult. I feel sorry for you that the fandom is this bad now.

>>7791
>I think that cutesy games like these attract these people because they come and expect them to be their super harmless toddler stories but then realise that there are actual villains in there.
Even if that was the expectation, it's still insane to get that upset over the villains. Like a lot of people, I was really young when I played the games, and they weren't too scary for a literal child. They should not be too scary for grown adults in their 20s. What? Are things like Land Before Time and Warrior Cats too scary for them, too? There's nothing, even kids' media, that has zero conflict. Even children will find that boring.