No.1405
>>1027I'll hazard a guess you've heard the "a woman made it, so that makes it okay" line one too many times, especially by women who should know better
No.1434
I can like feminine guys a lot if they are written well and if they are placed into series that is otherwise filled with masculine men, making them an exception and mysterious. I hate it when everybody in a series is a twink though and there is a high chance I won't even give it a chance.
I cannot relate to them either or rarely. I don't have a very feminine personality so I cannot relate to cheerful, social, emotional or happy characters which is what most feminine guys are written as.
>>976Annoys me too. Honestly most people that like the same series I like are men and most women I met in real life had a problem with me they and they have too many health issues and are picky with food and everything so if anything it's women I rather keep a distance from. Most of the annoying men I see are American insecure rightoids on the net that lose their shit if a series dares to pander women for once.
Ironically it's the same people that get angry if a woman gets angry about the sexualization of a female character. But the moment there is some harmless gay pandering or a guy acting sexual it's the end of civilization.
No.1471
>Traps aren't trans, they don't want to be wom–
No.1531
The only trap that I really ever liked was Bridget, but that's because he's a cute shota and I like cute things, especially cute boys. The idea of a boy who looks like a girl trying to prove how manly he is was just so adorable to me back then.
But yeah, traps are made to appeal to closet gay men who aren't into BL or bara. It was never mixed with BL or fujoshis in the past, but now it is. Anime culture online is really terrible isn't it?
No.1546
>>1545I think people defend it because, and hear me out on this one, they actually like it. For me at least, traps and other forms of feminine men are a nice way to enjoy feminine looking characters without having to actually look at a girl. I like looking at girly and cute things, but I don't like girls. I like boys and want to see only boys. Two things I like, so I'm going to put them together. Boom, we have a girly boy! He is still a boy, just very pretty! If they have a chest as flat as a board and some sort of visible bulge and call themselves a guy, then they're male to me. I don't get why people overcomplicate it by saying they're trans, especially by people that supposedly hate trannies so why would they force the trans label on a character that isn't trans? Maybe they've been indoctrinated so much by the tranny pill that they think "oh they're in feminine clothing so they MUST be a girl no matter what" or some other line of thinking that I just don't understand.
As for that picture, I can still tell that's a male because of the head shape, nose length, and eyes. It's subtle things but I've consumed plenty of trap and crossdressing media to notice small details. Most other weebs can tell, I think it's just normies that have trouble telling the difference. To each their own, people can hate traps if they want, but I don't understand this closed-minded line of thinking that women simply just cannot under any circumstances enjoy traps, it only has to be men. Is it that strange for women to like pretty things?
No.1687
>>1546>As for that picture, I can still tell that's a male because of the head shape, nose length, and eyes.Then you must need glasses
>>1565Cringe
No.1735
>>1687You're cringe you sperg.
No.1736
>>1686That was one of the endings, and context matters, so I wouldn't say that necessarily counts, but in the end I think the producer did finally cave-in to western demand, unfortunately. But he's still a normal crossdressing boy in all of our hearts.
No.1739
>>1735"yassifying" twinks into submissive and breedable moeblobs with dicks is cringe
>>1736>But he's still a normal crossdressing boy in all of our hearts.Headcanons are all you'll ever have
No.11589
>>904man its wild how much I USED to love traps, crossdressing anime boys when I was growing up. Moid weebs truly do ruin everything they touch.
No.12486
Women into trapshit are no different than self-insert authors that make poorly disguised moid pandering hetslop where their "self-insert" has massive boobs and the man is never sexualized unlike her.
No.12487
>>11589Same here. Growing up on 4chin really did irreversible damage to my developing brain kek. I don't find them appealing in the least anymore merely because of that association, which is a shame because a lot of these characters are really cute.
No.12489
>>12486Shit taste, a man falling for someone he thought was a girl only for it to be a guy is a great trope. Gay panic is underrated and it's a shame more trap works don't explore it.
No.12490
>>12486if trap means
>flat-chested anime girl with huge hips plus bulge slapped onthen traps suck. if trap means
>cute feminine male who crossdresses with cute clothing and still ultimately looks and feels male for womenthen sure. I see trap used interchangeably with femboy or twink or even trans now which all are supposed to mean different things.
No.12492
>>12489Gay panic is just as bad. It's another flavor of the predictable "that cute 'girl' actually has a penis!"
No.12493
>>12492Nta but the only time I would like tropes like this is if the feminine (but still male looking) character is convinced he's tricking the other man, and the man pretends to not pick up on it because he's in denial of being gay.
No.12494
>>12492I meant literally a character panicking and denying he's gay not the self-defense talking point. I like internalized homophobia, guilt, one-sided pining, and denial of feelings. Traps have like a built in segue to that when the author actually treats them like a man. I personally visually prefer when you can still tell the character is a boy like Ryo from IdolM@s but the basic idea is what's appealing to me so as long as there is another guy to bounce them off of I'm game.
>>12491 I tried so hard to get into this nonna but I think the presentation filtered me a bit, did the prologue and put it on indefinite haitus. Didn't even realize there was a trap when I started it so that caught me off guard haha.
No.12511
>>12494Gay panic is just "HAH! You were beating your meat to a boy (that looks, dresses, acts and sounds) all along" to me and it's all so tiresome.
No.12512
>>11589>>12487It's a good thing you grew out of that mentality. Some fujos, especially upthread, still really don't know better that they're pandering to moid straggots by liking traps, or they know and don't care. I especially don't understand the defense of "draw a girl call it a boy" traps, like… just say you want to flick the bean to futa.
No.12513
>>12512Why are you letting other people dictate what you like?
No.12514
>>12512>still really don't know better that they're pandering to moid straggotsI like what I like. If what I like panders to moid straggots, then so be it. I do not have to justify any of my fictional or sexual tastes.
No.12518
Well fuck, I guess I can't like shotas anymore because I'd be pandering to moids who enjoy shotas.
No.12519
>the internalized misogyny on full display
No.12520
>>12519I agree, fuck people who decide that they have to hit a certain "purity level" and only enjoy certain characters they feel are fujo or whatever the fuck. People shouldn't have to pretend to like something or hide the fact that they enjoy something.
Unrelated to this thread but I would share so much more art here if I wasn't afraid of getting ostracized for my taste in less conventually attractive men. It's a mental hangup I need to get over.
No.12556
>>12518Shotas at least look male
No.12557
>>12514Based. If people like the things that
I like then they simply have good taste. Imagine being so weak allowing your tastes to be manipulated by who you hate.
No.12906
>>12514>>12520>>12557>Why no, I'm not like other fujoshi. I don't care that I enjoy thinly disguised hetslop made by and for incel scrotes who hate me for being a woman. I especially don't care that the content I enjoy reduces my womanhood to a punchline or a fetish.You see how this makes you all sound?
No.12907
>>12906You sound like a very well-adjusted person
No.12910
>>12907At least I'm into men that look, dress, act and sound like men. And unlike the growing number of handmaidens here, I stick to my principles and don't consume male gaze slop, which trapshit (yes, even the ones drawn by women) falls under.
No.12911
>>12906And yet the trap in my post is from a shoujo series.
I don't understand why you felt the need to necro reply, it comes off as insecurity, why are you letting other people choose what you can and can't enjoy? If you independently hate traps that's fine, but people shouldn't stop liking somwthing because they feel it's "pandering to incels" or whatever the fuck. Most popular series shipping-wise and shounen.
No.12912
>>12911Seriously. Men online give us enough shit for being fujoshi, the last thing we need is insecure miserable radfems shitting on other fujos for not passing a moral purity test. Fujochan isn't a shouting match over who hates men more.
No.12916
>>12915It's an 80s series so it's clearly not intended for them. The effeminate man who looks like a woman is a stock character since mythological times.
But ignore that, guess I can't ship Naruto, Marvel, Jojo, BnHA, kibgdom Hearts, SnK, One Piece, Berserk, DC, and so on since they're aimed at men. Fuck off, people aren't defending men they're annoyed at you sperging out and policing other peoples tastes.
No.12917
>>12916You could have chosen better series with less ugly moid characters in them
No.12918
>>12917The series were picked because they all have huge numbers on Ao3 but I'll bite one last time and add Death Note, Black Butler, HxH, Code Geass, xxxholic, Saint Seiya, Haikyuu and literally any sports series.
All aimed at men all popular with fujos, all with conventionaly attractive men. I can't imagine being so self-concious you have to be afraid of enjoying something aimed primarily at a male demographic.
No.12919
>>12918>black butler>xxxholic>male targetedYou’re insane
No.12921
>>12919I think she assumes just because they were put in seinen magazines means they are clearly for men. No Japanese male takes CLAMP seriously enough to be "for men."
No.12922
>>12919Shonen and seinen respectively. If it matters that they're by female authors why doesn't the same apply here?
>>12915You're also not addressing the rest, are you going to claim Death Note fans are fake fujos because Misa's treatment is sexist?
>>12921Idk, Chobits is very clearly aimed at men and enjoyed by them.
No.12924
>>12922They sure as hell didn't understand the themes of Chobits though
No.12925
>>12922Everyone on earth knows g fantasy is only a shonen mag in name kek, and nothing by CLAMP is for men. Everything else you listed is general audience by any standard. Trapshit however is not gen audience, it’s moidslop that lives alongside ecchi harem and the like.
No.12926
There's always been trapshit for both men and women, its pretty silly to make a fuss about women being into it considering how much bl/gacha/game has crossdressing content.
No.13044
>>12918Mid dudes with zero fujobait between them
>>12919>>12921>>12922>>12925If it were at all intended for women, it wouldn't be a shounen or seinen work. The misogyny within shounen far outweighs whatever fujobait is supposedly there.
>>12926There's a difference. "Trapshit" for women at least look like men, but they're still the least popular because women want to look at men. Trapshit for men doesn't bother making them look male, they're there for the "you're hard for a GUY" punchline.
No.13048
>>13044>zeroI wouldn't say so
No.13055
>>13044>women want to look at men.Are you aware that some women like other women?