No.12250
>>12249I have an autistic sexual fantasy about fingering a man's (clean) ass
and have done it before. I like the feeling of power I get from it. I'm bisexual.
No.12255
>>12242Fascinating but also not surprising the devoted autist types are better behaved
t. friends with one who happens to be fujo friendly
No.12257
>>12249I like pegging men, but only in theory. Just like I'm into men but only in theory… Men IRL give me the ick but there's lots of anime boys I'd like to peg. Coincidentally bisexual as well.
No.12264
>>12250>>12257Alas, pegging or fingering a 3DPD man irl VS the fantasy of doing stuff to an anime boy is a world of difference.
>>12255In order of fujo friendliness from most to least I’d say Devoted Autist > Ugly Man Lover >> Proxy Self-Inserter >>>>>>> Shameless Self-Shipper
>Devoted Autist has a strong inner world so they don’t feel threatened by fujos>Ugly Man Lover’s husbando is too obscure/ugly for fujos BUT as a whole they are most likely to show cowish behaviors so watch out>Proxy Self-Inserters regularly butt heads with fujos (see Naruto ship wars) but if they can into M/M (eg multishippers who have a fave fandom bicycle) then some can peacefully coexist >Shameless Self-Shippers and fujos are diametrically opposed. They are fundamentally incompatible. No.12296
>>12242The proxies and the shameless self-inserters sometimes overlap, because proxies are too lazy to make an oc, and too possessive over the husbando to delude themselves with any non-canonical ship.
That's why heroines in some works are written with the same exact criterias as shoujo/otome protagonists, because otherwise yumes would not like a story where they can't self-insert, it's like how some fujos only watch stuff with some shippable men, yumes only watch stuff knowing there is a proxy heroine and a guy they like.
No.12305
I'm genuinely curious to know what the most unhinged yume ship is that you've seen. I don't really encounter yumes organically so a friend shared this with me and I felt like I got sucker punched. For context, Baldi is from an indie shitpost horror game.
>>12304I alluded to this in another thread but I felt this hard at this year's citruscon discord. The worst moment was seeing people in the shota thread talking about wanting to see "transmasc shotas." You actual fucking morons, those are literally just lolis.
No.12306
>>12305>most unhinged yume shipI sadly can't find the account anymore but I saw someone on twitter who shipped herself with mr game and watch.
>>12304>>12305I hate how the main mode of female-dominated fandoms is tranny haven where everyone is in a silent competition to be the wokest retard in the room. Doesn't matter if you're talking to 18 year old tiktok zoomers or 35 year old proshipper fandom "elders", this is the one thing you simply cannot escape. I hate lolishit so if someone tried talking to me about "trans shotas" I don't think I'd be able to refrain from alogging lol. If you find any old video or post made by a fujo that's about 15+ years old getting attention in the current year, you'll always find people talking about how "(s)he's probably on T now". Having the most stereotypically female weeb interest ever means you have a male soul somehow.
If there was a small subsect of terf/gc/non-tra fandom, even if it was a minuscule minority, I wouldn't even be annoyed but nuance is dead and not wanting to give a male character a pussy or not wanting to headcanon him as an AGP means you're a fascist, good luck finding anyone who's even a crypto let alone open about not liking trans shit in fandoms. I wish more women would be honest and not feel the need to be politically correct all the time to the detriment of their own spaces. I can only hope for a mass peaking event soon.
No.12307
>>12296Yeah I consider the proxies vs self inserters to be a continuum - besides canon vs OC/self insert there is a middle ground of silent protagonists who technically defined backstories, but are designed to be self inserts (eg Byleth and the FE player characters).
>yumes only watch stuff knowing there is a proxy heroineI think this is only true for more normie proxy yumes (who are imo on average the most “normie” of the four groups) but a truly dedicated yume does not care, she will just make an OC or self insert. It’s not that proxy heroine yumes are too lazy to make an OC, I think they just don’t feel compelled to make one since living vicariously through the proxy heroine is satisfying enough escapism for them. IMO there are two crucial factors that differentiate the two:
1) Shameless self-inserters want to create an OC or self-insert for maximum immersion.
2) They will refer to their husbando as if he’s an actual partner (eg your average r/waifuism user). Some take it even further and identify as fictosexual or will believe their husbandos are sentient beings.
No.12312
>>12306>I wish more women would be honest and not feel the need to be politically correct all the time to the detriment of their own spaces. Me and the 4 other girls in my niche otp server kind danced around the ftm issue while getting to know each other because we are all more or less woke but one of them finally cracked when we were talking about omegaverse and now we are all on the same page. You could actually feel the relief through the computer. There is no way to phrase "I'm not interested in looking at tdick in ship art or talking about it in the brainrot chat" without getting labeled a TERF.
No.12314
>>12304>Any given ship, any given fandom, 99% percent of posters on twitter will be some variation of he/him/it/its/xir/zer/DID system/autistic/asexual aromantic lesfagratboy. ENOUGH. Tops surgery scars, het sex with bearded women in almost every single artwork… "trans representation" and it's about piss fetish art of dadson incest. there has never a worse time to be a fujo. I don't know why people call the cuntboy lovers fujos when they're clearly homophobic yumes in disguise who cannot stand a thought of two men being with each other without involving a woman, so they just self insert themselves into the ships. BUT because they hate themselves/women (wich is why they're pooners in the first place) they would rather draw a "boy" with a cunt and continue calling it yaoi instead of just reading a straight hentai wich there's a lot more of.
>if fandoms are like this now then I don't want nothing to do with them. How do you even get used to this. I am not mentally ill enough for this.That is exactly the reason i dislike an all-female fandoms. They almost never gatekeep. Because women want to be seen as those tolerant, acceptable people for some reason, so they accept filth like that into the fandom and watch it getting ruined, while being pushed out of it. Although it looks like it's not only mostly-female fandoms that get ruined by those freaks now lol.I think everyone needs to speak up about it and just start to not gaf if they get called transphobic or any other buzzword.
No.12324
Random yume vs fujo musings: yume shipping is like a religion in the sense that it is mutually exclusive with other belief systems. This is why a devout fujo can also enjoy self-shipping, but a devout yume will never be a fujo.
For example, within Christianity unless you belong to a denomination like the Universalist Unitarians or attend a very liberal church, being Christian entails having certain fundamental beliefs such as belief in the Holy Trinity, the divinity of Jesus and one God (ie the Nicene Creed). This automatically rules out other belief systems such as Buddhism, Islam, paganism, etc. Simialrly, the most devout selfshippers will singularly believe that their husbando/waifu is theirs alone, so seeing other self shippers share the same character or people shipping the character is an affront to their belief system.
No.12329
>>12308I was surprised to see a lot of yumes into Ninja turtles,but no fujos at all.
No.12330
>>12314>I don't know why people call the cuntboy lovers fujos when they're clearly homophobic yumes in disguise who cannot stand a thought of two men being with each other without involving a woman, so they just self insert themselves into the ships.THIS. It's the fucking bane of my existence, people pinning cuntboy garbage on fujos when it's very obviously masquerading yumes who can't comprehend any other form of sex than PIV and need to make everything heterosexual. I get it, for some people it's simply a fetish like futanari, but the recent emergence of cuntboys from a niche kink to a mainstream problem is very clearly from yumes who want to see them as the emo boy of the week getting their pussy eaten.
No.12331
>>12308>>12305I think a lot of these yumes, especially the new generation ones, who are into unconventional husbandos do it just for the "shock value" and to be seen as special, sometimes because they're unironically into it but extreme noshares who have to latch on to the most obscure character because there's no competition. Many of them come across as clout chasers who act unhinged so that people would give them attention.
No.12332
>>12314>I think everyone needs to speak up about it and just start to not gaf if they get called transphobic or any other buzzword.The few times I've seen people speak up about it, they've been ratioed to hell and blocked by everyone in their respective fandoms. Fandoms are just like this nowadays, made up mostly of gendies and tiktok children who won't hesitate to dox you for having an opinion they deem problematic. I can't blame real fujos for trying to stay safe, but it fucking sucks so much that there doesn't seem to be many real fujos left to begin with.
No.12333
>>12332I clear out all of my socials for photos, background, and metadata. I remember a youtuber I followed was doxxed with a photo outside his apartment of a flag. Some insane person used google metadata to find out exactly where he lived. The entire crew moved in the span of months, but I generally do everything I can now to make sure I'm as untracable as I can.
I just know some mentally unstable 15 year old would put all of their attention into finding out where I live with the opinions I openly share about cuntboy. Teenagers with internet have a lot of free time, and a lot of lack of focus on things that matter. Just knowing somebody's email is more than enough to set them off on a crusade against you. Just because you told them the thing that they like is stupid.
No.12334
>>12332I think there are plenty of real fujos out there, more that outnumber the gendies and cuntboy-yumes, but societal and peer pressure force these people to keep quiet and pretend to support it or at least not mention it at all. You can't accuse anyone of anything really substantial if you don't say anything. A fan account can say "I don't mention politics because this is a fan account" and while there will be gripers, most people will empathize.
I am a BNF in a fandom and unfortunately I can't really make my true opinions on trannies and cuntboy known to the public without risking a lynching, even though I know there are others who think the same way. No one wants to have their life put in danger because of these jobless, fuckless, lifeless freakshows. All I can do is never mention and never write about trans shit and continue to do what I do. I will never cave in and put a pussy on a character just because the presumed majority want it.
No.12335
>>12334I hate those tumblr/twitter: Reblog if x is safe with you posts. I always see those as red flags in themselves. Guilt tripping people into sharing things that they don't truly believe, wholesome.
I am very sorry that you've got a name however. I doubt anyone would pressure you to admit you like cuntboy like a protestant under interrogation. So there's the upside, I suppose
No.12336
>>12329>but no fujos at all.Because all the TMNT fujos unironically got doxxed or bullied out of most fan spaces since in order to be a TMNT fujo you are basically shipping incest by default.
I remember that there was once a storyboarder for one of the modern cartoons? That had an alt account for turtlecest and people went apeshit about it. These people wouldn't have survived osomatsu fandom
No.12337
>>12336>That had an alt account for turtlecest and people went apeshit about it. Nona I am dying laughing, they are literally turtles. It's so funny how these people cherrypick what to feel mad about, like they'll never think that a yume who is shipping herself with a turtle is a zoophile, but turtle incest yaoi is too much for them?? Kek
No.12338
>>12336To be fair there were tons of blmatsu antis as well. Which was hilarious by itself, why were they even there lol. But no fandom is free from annoying people.
No.12346
I hate self insert slop and I blame it for how much harder it is to find anything that panders to fujos because the yumes are louder and more acceptable. Especially fuck LADS and all the yume schizos they enabled to shit up joseimuke games that pander to both yumes and fujos. Fujos will always lose because people just can't comprehend the idea of women who want to ship two guys and not self-insert or want to be shipped with them.
No.12349
>>12346Those are real misogynistic to fujos, I respect fujos for having nerves of steel, no matter how fandom shit on them.
Yumetards, yuritards & waifufags always had bring their shitty waifu involved in yaoi ships.
No.12366
>>12346The self-insertion plague is a cancer to entertainment media. I swear this level of pride and egotism is the shit you find in the bible. It used to not be this bad but in the past few years, the need to make everything "about me" has increased exponentially
No.12407
Has anyone noticed a wave of selfshippers on Tumblr recently? It's like the only social media I regularly use so I don't know if this is happening on other sites, but I saw so much selfshipping art in my tiny fandoms over the past few weeks.The fandoms I'm in are so small that people tend to interact with pretty much any new content that is posted, so it has become quite awkward to navigate these spaces now while avoiding such content. I've even seen some previously BL only artists randomly make yume content with characters that they previously only drew in a shipping context. It sucks to go into the tags and get excited about a new blog joining the fandom only for them to only post about their ugly, boring OCs kissing whatever (extremely OOC) character they're obsessed with and ignoring literally everything else interesting about the series.
No.12409
>>12407I'm guessing lots of women who would be kinnies 10+ years ago now selfship
No.12414
>>12346>>12407>>12366I completely agree that selfshipping was never as prominent nor aggressive as it is now. My hypothesis is that AI chatbots significantly influenced this cultural shift. Instead of creating fleshed out stories and being invested in observing relationships between characters, people found out they could just talk to the character bot of their waifu/husbando of choice. That combined with the loneliness during the pandemic when we were all bound indoors and tech companies fracking into our basic need for interpersonal relationships created this mess.
No.12416
>>12414That makes sense. The only positive thing I can say about these bots is that it's better for teenagers to use those as opposed to them getting groomed by adults in RP communities but that's about it.
No.12428
A reason I'm starting to get sick of self-insert slop as it's a plague on video games right now, besides the obvious that it ruins any chance of homo because the straight male incels hate it and the yumes also hate it, is how much it makes stories boring. You can't have any conflict because the players who want the mc to always be the hero and always come out on top will always sperg out at any antagonist or rival character. Persona 5 had to be full of the most insane moralfag incels who constantly cried about Akechi while having worse as their waifus. All these mcs are too bland to even ship, especially the gacha ones where in a lot of games characters don't even interact with each other as much as the mc. Fire Emblem moved to their boring avatar mcs. At least older classic video game bl ships from Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, TWEWY, Danganronpa, they all involved an actual named male mc with a personality. Because the mc had a personality, their relationship with their male character foil was like crack to fujos. You can't get that with self-insert mcs who are too bland to stand for anything and who have little personality and boring designs and where the creators have to hold back on the personalities of playable characters because the audience is too childish now to handle characters who don't like the mc or who give the mc a hard time. They hate conflict and want only power fantasies. It's why gachas especially are creatively bankrupt due to these mcs. The existence of the master love schizos made it even worse.
No.12430
>>12428I agree with everything you wrote but I can still enjoy shipping blank slate or lightly characterized male MCs, if you don't though then it's definitely a lot rougher. Pokemon has been making basically all waifus/husbandos hit on the player really blatantly lately but at least I can appreciate it from a BL or yuri lens depending on the protagonist gender. (Even then, though, when everyone is obsessed with (You) for no good reason it gets very boring and makes all relationships the same flavor of bland. Shipping MCs is more of a last resort for if my faves have no other good option)
No.12499
>>12498Oh yes, definitely. A lot of the yumes I've seen nowadays are definitely moralfags (even when they self-ship themselves with characters that are morally reproachable, like adachi or douma and the like).
They are kind of mostly misogynistic and homophobic in a way? They apply the moralfagging mostly to the Fujo boogeyman over how DISGUSTING fujos are with their IMMORAL fanfiction with rape and incest and child porn! All fujos are disgusting women! So gross, I'm a pure girl who believes in heterosexual romance (and lesbians too because I need some wokey points).
I've noticed too that a lot of them are former stantwt/kpoppers too. Specially the LADS type of schizo yume who needs to make it their life's mission to shit on fujos and other women that don't behave the way they want them to
No.12500
>>12499Shit, you bring up a good point about stantwts and kpoppers. I honestly do think they're the ones who tainted the yume pool because they are so incredibly insane as a whole group and grew up in a giant echo-chamber of other stantwts/kpoppers on 2010s social media.
No.12501
>>12499A staggering amount of yumes have gotten really comfortable being openly homophobic in the last years. They can sperg about "disgusting faggots" all they want with little to no pushback and twitter feminists will amp them up because they're thrown the "but lesbians are okay… i guess" bone. In reality they will lose their shit if anyone ever ships their self insert with a female character, especially if she's not gender conforming because that would be gross and dykey. They straight up act like heterosexuals are an oppressed class and that straight women are never pandered to.
>I've noticed too that a lot of them are former stantwt/kpoppers too.Both mentally ill yumes and himes are always from stan/kpoptwt, every time. What is it about that community that just turns peoples' brains to soup and makes them so brazenly sick in the head?
No.12505
>>12501>They straight up act like heterosexuals are an oppressed class and that straight women are never pandered to. LADS yumes in a nutshell. They act like heterosexuality is the rare genetic flaw that affects 1% of the human population and that fujos are genocidal for shipping their ugly same-faced moids.
No.12506
>>12499In my experience
>homophobic yume goes off about disgusting fujos who are pedos and love child porn (fanfiction and shipping bishounen)>"wait until fujos find out about how real faggots act and how real anal sex works!">checks profile>husbandos an ugly older muscular character No.12510
>>12505LADS yumes are so fucking strange, they genuinely believe that if people draw ship art of the boys in that game Papergames will suddenly fold and add a male protagonist and abandon the female one making it into a BL dating game. Like oh yeah, fujos are famously so well pandered to and always given what they want by multimillion companies, especially Chinese ones. Surely they will throw away their lucrative grift to lonely women who want to date cartoon boys and start instead asskissing fujos. That's what always happens, right?
No.12521
The more homophobic psychotic antifujo yumes I see, the more I don't even want to exist in the same franchises as them. I know these type of yumes were always around but it feels like they've gotten worse online in the past few years. They can never let fujos exist in peace. Thanks to LADS you even see yumes teaming up with Gacha Grail incels to hate on fujos, which is why I don't see them as "allies" against incels in gacha fandoms.
No.12523
>>12521Even Gacha Grail itself has its small but not insignificant share of women including yumes (and even a token fujoyume that's arguably among the least homophobic members in that shitpile of a community) and as expected, most of them are also against fujos and 1000% support why LaDS banned BL in official spaces.
No.12529
I'm so sick of seeing schizo yumes and seeing everyone enable them like some twisted geek social fallacies. Bring me back to when these people were made fun so they can go back to their own spaces again. I don't want to see your yumesona every time I search a male character's name. I'm sick of yumes acting better than fujos and seeing sites like lolcow act like yumes are a more natural better type of female fans than fujos. It's normal to say "only male character and me is acceptable" but anyone who would rather not self-insert and ship two guys together gets called "male centered" by these people? That's insane logic. You have to see yumes acting schizo about "doubles" and no one can tell them they're crazy because it's part of the culture. I wish this fad would go back underground instead of people thinking they're clever saying something like "let's draw our yumesonas in the original style and trick everyone into thinking they're a canon character hehehe".
No.12580
Seeing someone write a full length essay about why a male character in a 90s romcom didn’t get a nosebleed over a side female character just because they can't see things objectively and self insert as the main heroine, is honestly desperate. Especially when it’s the same crowd calling fujos delusional.
I dunno, I see something like Naruto and Sasuke or Kaworu and Shinji come across as far more emotionally intense and layered than what most romcoms even attempt..
No.12603
Bitching to the void, but holy shit do I hate ftms putting their trashy yume inserts under the m/m tag on AO3. It is literally inescapable. I've got like a dozen filters on my site skin to exclude them but they tag it as 'trans "character name"' rather than 'trans character'. And that's if they tag it at all!
I should not be getting flashbanged by pussy in my yaoi! These are the most annoying women alive!
No.12605
>>12603It's so funny how the character they headcanon as trans is always the uke one too, no exceptions. If you believe that you are a man, why do you always end up picturing yourself in a "woman"s sexual position? Straightest women on earth and they scream the loudest about how "gay" they and their fantasies are.
No.12611
>>12603one of my fandoms is so cancerous that the trans character tag literally shows up in the side bar filter bc it’s used that much. but it is still possible to filter it all. it is. filtering it as “trans[space]” fixes your problem. link is the tranny filter skin I use lol. it also filters all het sex terms in the m/m category
https://pastes.io/agJviTSY No.12613
>>12611AYRT, thanks for this, this is so much more extensive than mine! Now I just need to figure out how to consistently make AO3 hide those obnoxious mega crossovers. My shoddy html struggles to do that as well.
No.12659
>>12613I haven’t tried it but there’s a guide on how to block mega crossovers here. this is what I used for my other more picky filters
https://archiveofourown.org/works/41589201