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Discuss the current state of modern fandoms with the anti/pro discourse.
>What is pro/anti discourse? Pro and anti refers to two stands in current fandom culture of what is acceptable or not to show in fiction. Anti is someone who is against anything that can be considered problematic (incest, age gaps, abuse,etc) and pro is someone who is in favour of anything problematic. But the labels can usually be something bigger, like discourse with headcanons, whitewashing, etc etc… The problematic things are just the more common ones.
>Where do these discourses usually take place?Usually on places like Twitter, Tumblr and Ao3, but they can also be seen in other places like Discord servers, TikTok and so on.
>Are there any reads about this?Here's a few, feel free to post more that you find!
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce (Japanese artist explaining the whole anti/pro thing)
https://www.themarysue.com/fandom-has-a-purity-culture-problem/ (general article talking of purity culture in fandom spaces)
https://www.cbr.com/cartoon-fandom-has-a-puritanism-problem/ (article about puritanism as well as a debunk in another article saying children's media has a porn problem)
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https://archive.is/9WPtF No.7686
>>7670kek meanwhile Gojo is almost 30 years old, is almost 2 meters tall, and Gege said in a limited edition guidebook that if Gojo weren't a sorcerer he would have been a sugar baby/prostitute for older women instead, probably because he would have been too much of a lazy bum to get a real job.
No.7696
>>7670why they talk like that? why is talking like you have a age regression fetish somehow cool now
No.7697
>>7686whats up with gege writing bum characters that hoe themselves out to women for money kekk if i had a coin for everytime that happened Id have 2 coins.
No.7701
>>7697Maybe that was Gege's dream career, who knows at this point?
No.8734
nonas, i think a fanfiction i wrote got brutally copied.
i understand this happens all the time and normally i would not be that upset, but.
firstly, the author that might have copied my fic set the date to her upload as a few days before mine, something you can do on ao3.
this way, many people would think that i copied her instead.
secondly, the fic is for fucking caitvi, and i've had terrible experiences with their shippers. this is petty lol, but it just bugs me more because i've seen a lot of anti-fujo sentiment from them and from the arcane fandom as a whole. and of course, my fic is m/m, which makes this even funnier.
i'm a new author and didn't get half of her engagement, so i don't think anyone would believe me if someone were to bring up how similar our fics are.
the only thing that helps my case is that i've published multiple chapters already, while she's stuck at the first lol
does anyone have similar experiences?
No.8736
>>8734This is insane. If you're worried about being accused of stealing someone's fic take as many screenshots and keep as much evidence as possible to prove you're the one who had her fanfic copied.
No.8762
Twitter algorithm presented me with this account in the "related tweets" section of a post:
https://x.com/LRentrycarrdsIt's like peering into the abyss, if the abyss was full of performatively screaming teenagers. I now know what the fuck a shed twitter is, as well as "profic." Also learned like three new phrases for wishing death on other people.
To summarize: they find strawpages where the person says they're proship, are over 18, or have a kink, they post it on twitter, everyone screams and shits themselves, rinse repeat. Kids just making games out of bullying but being completely open about it for once. Some of the profiles they're sent are absolute shitshows, others are incredibly bland but say proship or lolisho somewhere. Reactions are the same regardless and show that they've just baked this outrage into their fandom culture. Screencapped a couple whose avatars gave me a laugh. I'm a little worried that some of the commenters have "comms" in their names, like they might be over 18 and take money for fandom art.
No.8763
>>8762"anti" types are so strange to me since they're fine with piss kinks but freak the fuck out over sibling incest
No.8765
>>8762>trigun>transmetropolitanHalf of these people are probably projecting.
No.8766
>>8763One that they lost it over was "misgendering kink." Apparently it's deeply transphobic and hurts "the community" for a woman to want to be called a little boy during sex. Not that the user with it made much sense when stating it.
No.10075
>>10051kek yuri fans aren't any better than zoomer fake fujoshi it seems.
No.10078
>>10077They just see a bunch of people having fun online and want to fit in just for the sake of fitting in.
No.10079
>>10051Yurifags be screaming about how much they are into "toxic yuri" and how fujos are bullshitting misogynists when they say they prefer BL to have hardcore kinks because they don't want to see female characters go through it but then go ahead and get anxiety attacks over shit like CNC and dubcon kinks. Figures.
No.10080
>>10077Omo is so based as always.
No.10088
>>10075Dude, yuri fans are way worse than zoomers fujos. It's not even just a zoomers thing, yuri fans have been puritans for a long time now. You can find zoomer fujos who aren't antis and who don't give a fuck about ~problematic~ dynamics, but I never see it with yuri. Zoomer or no zoomer, yuri fans are just cooked. A ship can be extremely fucked up in canon, it can have a power imbalance, evil woman who likes kicking puppies, and all the fics will be of them as afraid of sex smol beans braiding each other's hair and talking about how they're just victims healing together uwu.
No.10096
>>10088it's funny because Caitvi already has major power imbalances in canon. Caitlyn is a cop / ex-cop / military commander from an extremely wealthy family with direct ties to the city council. Vi is a convict from the slums who the council wants to go to war with. Also I'm pretty sure that Caitlyn slapped Vi or physically hurt her at certain points kek
No.10099
I've never understood why they cry so much. I write problematic yuri porn all the time without any issue. Why has fandom come to a point where people feel like they need the community's approval to create art. I just write what I want, then post it, and whoever wants to read it can do so. I don't feel like I'm cooked because I don't give these losers any of my time or attention.
No.10102
>>10099I think it's because a lot of them don't branch out of fandom spaces. The overwhelming majority of English f/f art/writing is original works and they want to read about blorbina from "Shonenshit Where Girls Are An Afterthought".
It also kind of sucks to get guaranteed yuri you have to watch stuff with a cast that is mostly if not exclusively girls, because that puts you closer to male spaces in the fandom sphere which can be unpleasant for many reasons (but not always).
So the two immediately available solutions are "read original comics/VNs/novels" and "watch stuff like Bandori" and for whatever reason these babies don't want to do that and have made it our problem.
No.10104
>>10101mouthwashing is clearly meant for adults yet the vast majority of people into it seem to be like actual 11yo girls. same with the anti problematic police.
No.10105
>>10101I saw this on Twitter and the amount of people who say "Mouthwashing shouldn't even have a fandom" is insane. Like, why? Berserk has a fandom and no one cares, and also how do you avoid that? The fandom being filled with antis is stupid for how dark it is so they shouldn't even be in the community in the first place.
Also I found these two Twitter threads interesting cuz it shows how antis' morality in the end just comes from them finding stuff weird rather than actually bad.
No.10106
>>10103>>10101IMO I do find it tactless to make woobified kawiwi merch of characters with serious themes (especially rapist characters) though I wouldn't go as far as to police other people's choices for enjoying it IG.
At worse I'd probably just find it cringe and irony poisoned, at least it isnt irl hybristophilia merch
No.10107
>>10106Guess I'm part of the problem then, have a few from different series, bastards need corrective dick and degradation.
No.10109
>>10099Look how many people cry every year about the ao3 list despite not writing any fics of their own, or commenting on other people's, or even just commissioning a writer. They only want to consume, or if they write, they only want to write for something that's already popular and will give them hundreds of comments and kudos. They don't want to bother to actually create for themselves and be okay with a smaller audience. I blame a lot of writers online for this, there's "it's valid to want feedback!" has been taken too far to the point where no one wants to write at all and they feel defeated unless it's the most popular thing.
>>10101Why are Mouthwashing fans like this? I notice Hazbin Hotel fans do the same crying about some pimp character getting merch. Who do they think this merch that no one is forced to buy is actually harming? How do they explain away Homelander merch?
No.10110
>>10109>How do they explain away Homelander merch?they don't, the boys is watched by actual normies and not weirdos that live on tiktok or X
No.10111
>>10105Why the Terrifier movie got so massive recently? it exploded in merch and stuff.
Is a creepy clown that tortures and skins women okay but not a rapist from a videogame that even died at the end?
It's so weird because I find things like the Terrifier way more disgusting but apparently these people are fine with gore and torture. I am not.
No.10112
>>10111Probably people itching for a new iconographic horror movie character, Dead By Daylight brought a lot of people into slashers but Art the Clown is like one of two notable horror characters that isn't 30+ years old and in zombie franchise mode. Honestly he's pretty campy despite how violent the movies are, I think if there were any other interesting male characters I would enjoy shipping him alas he is resigned to the same fate as Freddy in the "fun but shippless" camp. Ghostface still reigns supreme for slasher slash.
>>10051Late, but this is hilarious "words don't mean anything" has never been more true, why wouldn't you market this as a "flufftober" event?
No.10113
>>10101The thing I hate about this plush isn't that it's "problematic" or whatever. I don't care about Mouthwashing. It's that the color implies he's like one of those hairless cats but with stubble, hair on top of his head, and hairy arms. I am picturing this thing realistically, and it's freaking me out.
No.10114
>>10112The excuse for Art is that he's a murderer and not a rapist so its fine. I can understand the argument that Jimmy feels more like someone more people would have encountered irl, hence the reaction. But Art doesn't even fit the "sometimes murder can be justifiable", he just does it for kicks. Is torturing women and killing them less bad just because it didn't involve rape?
No.10115
>>10112>. Ghostface still reigns supreme for slasher slash.Apropos to nothing, I love how everyone just decided that Ghostface is a huge slut.
No.10116
>>10114I haven't played Mouthwashing (That's what you mean by Jimmy right?), but you don't need to justify liking terrible people, complexly written or not. You can like characters and ships for any number of reasons, maybe they look cute, maybe they're funny, or you find them relatable in a certain way despite the heinous acts.
I would not let a 14 year old stop you from buying merch or making toxic yaoi they probably don't have enough life experience to deal with the topics anyway.
No.10120
>>10114>Is torturing women and killing them less bad just because it didn't involve rape?You'd be surprised how many people think this in general. You can have a character skin children alive and boil them in acid but the moment a character rapes someone and worse, the raped character remembers said rape, it's all over for them.
Though this makes me wonder, does Griffith create as much controversy nowadays? I feel like most people don't care that Griffith raped Casca. If it were any other character he'd be more despised but people are in a 50/50 camp for Griffith.
No.10121
>>10120imo Berserk has become one of those series where many of the younger fans like it for the aesthetic alone. I come across a lot of people who haven't touched the manga or any of the OVAs, so it wouldn't surprise me if Caska's rape got glossed over like that.
No.10123
>>10121>people who haven't touched the manga or any of the OVAshow the fuck do they like it then? obviously not counting the terrible 3d anime adaptation everyone shat on either lmao. surely if they like something for the aesthetic, they would actually read it?
No.10125
>>10121related, I knew a guy who literally had a tattoo of one of the factions from 40k, he never read any of the books or played the games, just watched a few lore videos and thought it was cool based on aesthetics
No.10148
>>10147this just in masturbation is incest
No.10153
>>10147The most spineless shit I've ever seen.
No.10154
>>10147Being upset by the "cest" part of the word is so fucking weird if you know the etymology. Spoilered for off topic language sperg, but
the word "incest" comes from the Latin word "incestus," which means "impure." The word, "incestus," is derived from two things: "in," which means "not," and "castus," meaning "pure" (it has some other meanings, but they're all some form of purity/innocence/morality, so you get the idea). There's nothing in the word, "castus," implying inbreeding, if that's this person's only issue with the term, "selfcest." No.10155
>>10147If you tag a fic "mirrorshipping" and there's no mirror dimension involved I'm getting hella disappointed.
>>10154So what you're saying is that selfcest is the purest form of love?
No.10160
>>10147>Maruki pfpCertainly explains the retardation