/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>4180
The mental gymnastics people(?) go through for perceived moral superiority and chinese cartoons is truly unparalleled.

>>4180
Less funny but still remarkable are the moral police users that are completely silent and pretend pandering wasn't there if it casually happens to be in a show they like.
I know some of them. They bitch about every harmless issue in every other anime, but then they happen to like Dungeon Meshi, Bravern and Elusive Samurai or even Made in Abyss (all great shows btw., but not the point) and they never ever talk about the elephant in the room and manage to even talk about a character that clearly panders a fetish they condemn but don't acknowledge it.

It's funny. I mean I am happy that they keep the drama out but it shows how dishonest they are. They recognize loli and shota pandering or "toxic" gay damn well they just realize that they can enjoy a show regardless and that it's easier to attack fans if it's about an anime they don't like to begin with. It's so childish. You would assume that they would learn from such experiences.

I wish antis weren't a thing. I just want to watch Hetalia or Black Butler without getting harassed or doxxed. I drew Ichigo x Quiche from Tokyo Mew Mew one time and I got comments about how I'm romanticizing sexual assault kek. I remember when fandoms made all sorts of politically incorrect jokes like the Len sex jokes in the Vocaloid fandom. I don't want to see gross hardcore loli rape whatever but I wish nobody cared about problematic fiction. It's absolutely insane to me that kids will have a problem with found family incest from that one Genshin ship

>>5208
>found family incest
Uh what? it's incest to fuck someone you're not related to? Aren't found family's atypical anyway? Why should they function under the narrow definition of a family?

>>5211
>it's incest to fuck someone you're not related to
That's been included in the definition of incest in fandom for years now. If a character even says offhandedly to another that they're like brothers, the ship automatically goes into the incest bin. People are pick and choosey with found family being incest though. Seen it considered problematic for one series and no one taking issue with shipping for another, they can't make up their minds.

>>5214
If it's not blood related than it's not incest. Being busy as a bee is not the same as being a bee, someone is liken as one due to similarities. You have to turbo autistic to take the text at face value without reading between the lines first.

>>5214
> If a character even says offhandedly to another that they're like brothers, the ship automatically goes into the incest bin.
just got some major sheith flashbacks now

>>5219
That shit is everywhere it even happens with characters that never said that they're like brothers, it's enough if certain fans somehow perceive their dynamic as brotherly.
A friend of mine is a big Darksiders shipper and she regularly told me about how 80% of the fans consider shipping the characters evil because they sometimes call each other brother. But I also encounter it with friends. It's usually the same people that consider adults with an "age gap" of three years to be problematic.

The worst case I ever witnessed in that regard was a they/them person condemning pairings involving 40 year old characters with an age gap of more than one year horrific. They (I assume she) aged a 30 year old dude from a popular ship up to 40 so that she could ship him with the 41 year old other dude.

I have no idea what's wrong with these people, my only explanation is that she's so immature that she changed her personality every year so two years seems like an incredibly time span to her.

>>5219
But nona, they're ~sworn brothers~, they ~swore~ it. Everyone knows when you pinky promise to be siblings you can't have drunken sex any more.

>>5223
>she's so immature that she changed her personality every year
That's how plenty of antis will be when they change their mind and get excited for New Ship that broke their previous rules.

>>5208
Tbh I think Tumblr was where it all started.
Way too many people felt confident about their shit takes, even for insane opinions or threats, they received almost no backlash.
I just wish fujos had been able to push back against these people for the awful things they said.I even remember men who threatened to rape or kill fujos had some handmaidens even say "haha he is just joking u know?;) why don't you like jokes?"

I hate how anti shits poisoned the well so much that some artists are scared of westerners so I think twice whether I should even interact and "like" anything. It already happened to me that I retweeted art of Asian fans that blocked me or went private afterwards simply out of a sense of insecurity because they don't know if you might be an anti.
Thanks to Americans and mentally ills for shitting that up so hard. I really like being in danger of getting associated with cringe anti-spergs and being unable to do what I want.

>>5234
The most annoying part is antis want to have their cake and eat it too. It'd be one thing if they left Asian artists alone but they don't. They'll still retweet their art but also QRT to shit on them when they post proship content or whatever. You'd think if they consider these artists to be literal pedophiles/supporting incest they'd block but no, it's singing praises about how pretty their art is on Tuesday and then having a tantrum in their replies the next day. Makes no sense.

>>5235
God this, yeah. I posted this because I recently joined a small fandom with great fans and I finally found something that makes me happy again, but right now two of the ones I follow went private and I am paranoid that it might because of me because it happened in the past and I retweeted some of their stuff the last days.
I don't think that they're usually even suspecting me to be the issue but the followers I might have. I don't even have any western followers here (and only a few on my other accounts) but I feel like they are afraid I had and that some of them might be antis, so they rarely block me but go private to avoid retweets. And then I always feel guilty on top of it. I wish my language skills were good enough to say something but they aren't and I don't trust google translator ARGH

That aside I also consider antis at least moderately racist which makes it worse since they're usually harassing Asians and demand them to abide to US morals that don't apply to other cultures. They are also legit clinically retarded because being some 27yo that considers shipping preferences for a cartoon some national security threat is a surefire sign of that.

>>5235
>>5236
My newest attempt to avoid any issues AND keep idiots away is that I mention being a fujo, preferably in Japanese too. So I add "成人腐18↑" into my bio as well as a STOP-emoji followed by "AI" + "Anti".
I am not sure if it helps but it's probably a good thing to do. Asian fans almost always declare that they're fujos and into character-pairings (CP), probably for that very reason and it's always assuring to know what kind of poster you're dealing with when someone interacts with you. I regret that I didn't think of this earlier, but it makes a lot of sense.

I myself encountered a bunch of western fans that seemed to be all cool and chill until they suddenly went "Umm sweaty" on me or had me blocked and warned others about me for shipping the wrong dudes. Always better to filter these retards from the very start.

>>5238
I do this too, I just have 18+ and fujo in Japanese in my bio and never ran into any issues with Asian artists. Maybe >>5236 can consider doing this too? If it's too cringey/weebish to put on your main account then you could just make a separate private account. Kinda inconvenient that you have to do it in the first place but I don't blame artists for being hypervigilant especially after the Splatoon incident.

>>5239
>especially after the Splatoon incident
Oh god what happened? I didn't hear anything about it.

>>5241
bkub drew Splatoon fanart and someone started calling him racist and demanding he delete it.

>>5241
>>5244
The situation also caused basically all of JP and ENG Twitter to fight over white/blackwashing anime edits. Multiple tweets with upwards of 100k likes about it. Unreal

>>5244
Fucking hell, I hadn't heard about that yet. Genuinely can't blame JP artists for wanting to avoid westerners, honestly.
>>5238
I've never had issues with antis myself cause I mostly just retweet and don't have much of a presence but that's a good idea just in case.

>>5244
Well fuck me NOW I remember seeing part of that discourse. He didn't even drew that character white, it was just a different tone of brown.
I think that nobody that starts wars over this is actually anti-racist or worried about that matter, it's just a sure way of stirring shit up, virtue signaling hard and getting the clout. It's surprising that they did it with man this time. Usually they only attack women. Guess nobody is save.

I always feel sorry for such people. You never know if you are the next victim, it happens randomly. They just do their job or have fun drawing and such assholes come and stress them the fuck out. Many will probably be scared of uploading art afterwards or never draw brown characters anymore to begin with.

This annoys me so much. Some of my favorite anime men are brown too or tanned and I LIKE seeing different artists giving different tones to them. Some use light colors others make them way darker, both is a thing. It also depends on the lighting and art style? Like if was drawing in pastel colors they would be lighter than usual.

When and why do you think younger people can't differentiate between fiction and reality? Just last decade everyone was more chill with weird stuff, at worse they call it gross but they never say it was illegal or morally despicable. I think the pandemic made it 10 times worse by giving younger people more time to ruin their brains on social media, but the anti/pro debate started much before that. When you're younger it's obviously harder to not see the difference between reality and fiction, but it seems like teens and sometimes young adults nowadays take it to the extreme.

>>5265
This is just spit balling, because I am in no way a position to make absolute claims about this stuff, but I think vaguely in general, there are a bunch of social factors making people excessively paranoid and that those general feelings are backwashing into fandom communities.

Probably too broad an assessment to really help find an answer, but it's what I feel at least.

>>5266
Yeah, I have similar thoughts. Aside from the pandemic there's also the feeling I have that EN internet and large social media platforms tend to be america-centric so I can't help but wonder if the 2016 presidential election contributed to this whole phenomenon by making younger people grow up in an environment where people are more hostile towards each other and imply that if you're not morally correct you're on the side of 'the chuds'. But that's just my own spit balling.

>>5265
Well, antis have been a thing for a while now. They're why you see the "plz no flames" in a lot of older slash fanfics. And while yes, 2016 really brought out the crazies, I think it's actually just a case of the centralization of the internet. Livejournal was dying and everyone started going to tumblr for fandom, which didn't have the close-knit communities as livejournal. Tumblr is like a free-for-all where you can post something and it'll go out into the void and you don't know who's going to see it or if it'll offend anyone. On livejournal, if you posted to a community and it was hostile towards the community itself, it was deleted.

I know a lot of people attribute the widespread of antis in 2016 to the election or even just voltron, but I do think it was the death of livejournal that really caused it. Like, there's still some old anti communities pre-2016 up and you can see how crazy they were and how they found the ship/character to be gross and/or abusive. Deviantart has a few up and they would post anti art for that ship back in the day. And while there were antis for het pairings, there's a lot more for slash ones so a lot of antis just read as homophobes/misogynists (teh evil fujos). Which isn't even that different nowadays. I think modern antis just had to come up with newer reasons to justify their hatred because they can't really use their "yaoi is so gross" complaint anymore unless they pull mental gymnastics about how it's really fujos that's the blame. Picrel is from 2012

>>5265
I feel like people start thinking in algorithms themselves if they are too online or used to bubbles. Classic examples are when they assume you to belonged to a certain political spectrum just because you like a certain thing that isn't even political.
If you like anime, meat and guns for example you must be a rightwinger, even though anime are a large spectrum that you might like for whole different reasons, taste in food is a largely biological thing and interest in guns or war stories might be purely technical or historical. Fans of a certain genre of music are x, fans of that specific movie are y, etc.

In the end this is algorithmic thinking and it's bad. You see more rightwingers than leftwingers liking, let's say BBQ and movies from the 80s. But it's unironcially toxic to assume that every BBQ enjoyer who sees the worth in old movies was one of them.

Those are examples but this way of thinking is everywhere. Everybody that doesn't enjoy the exact same things as you is your potential enemy who just pretends to be good.

>>5268
>Like, there's still some old anti communities pre-2016 up and you can see how crazy they were and how they found the ship/character to be gross and/or abusive.
This reminds me of an argument I had years ago on Gaiaonline. This was probably around 2006ish? I was really into Yu Yu Hakusho and I shipped Karasu with Kurama. Someone was arguing with me that shipping that was wrong and because I'm shipping Kurama with an abusive/bad person I must condone abuse in relationships and in general. Arguing for pages about how her stance was ludicrous and how she can make such a bold assumption of me over a FICTIONAL ship.

This shit always existed, and I completely agree with you that the loss of the niche, bubbled communities like LJ was a big part of it. It really didn't help that tumblr fostered hardcore into the purity "that's problematic" culture, co-opting psychology talk to further make themselves seem "professional" and well-spoken

>>5271
>Karasu with Kurama
Based. I was floating around the YYH fandom back then (mostly on lj and ff.net) and if I had to guess it was solely because Hiei/Kurama was the juggernaut ship and they were grasping at straws to punish you for deviating. I also got some comments like this because of Yomi and Kurama over AIM of all places. I wasn't even actively shipping them, I was just spitballing off of their past together and what it could mean for their present. The girlies were really protective of Kurama.

>>5275
Hiei x Kurama shippers were the most mentally ill of the YYH shippers, istg. I never liked the ship because Hiei was boring as hell and sucked ass. Also an ugly manlet kek

>>5279
I like the ship okay but they tended to woobify Kurama in a way that was way too off the mark for me. I haven't looked at the fandom in ages so maybe that isn't the case anymore.

>>5279
Kek. One of my high school friends shipped them and she was such an edgelord. >>5275 Why waste energy on this shit when your ship is winning? That's madness.

>>5270
>Classic examples are when they assume you to belonged to a certain political spectrum just because you like a certain thing that isn't even political.
I think you're on to something. It calls to mind those antis and TRAs who post DNIs assuming the audience finds all those this just as reprehensible as they do (but they need to announce it anyway).

>>5265
I'm a broken record on this but my theory is that they're not unable to tell fiction and reality apart, nor do they truly believe the moral codes they regurgitate, they are simply playing a social game where they seek things to rally around and perform over with their friends. Someone made it into a ""normal"" done activity and the kiddies looking for peer approval all began copying it to establish themselves and have something to do.

In addition to the broadening of the internet and non-nerds joining fandom during covid, they've lost the sense of fandom activity being productive, creative pursuits and now make it about jabbering with other people. Gossiping is now considered ~content~ just as much as writing or drawing. The level of conversation over a series ends up being yelling YESSS OMG THAT'S SO CANON approvals but never elaborating or analyzing shit. That's what drives me the most insane with younger/wider fandoms really, it's fun when your character discussion posts get tons of people hanging on your words and cheering like it's the greatest thing they ever read, but when you realize none of them ever word anything even slightly that invested or thought out it's incredibly disappointing. They'll say things like "he's trans just look at his pants", and then nothing else, so you're staring at these pants like "okay what about these is any different from literally normal guy's pants what am I meant to be seeing wtf". I think they're still capable of writing analysis, they're just not incentivized in this culture because people still yell approval when they don't explain. They've lost the pride we had in presenting an entire fucking essay that we expect to be linked and passed around in the same way as fanfiction. Thus they go for quick, simple social pursuits like THING GOOD and THING BAD, and fall back on whatever was said before that LIKING THING BAD MAKES YOU THE BAD.

>>5268
"But what are your thoughts on yaoi?" is a great example of how LJ era fandom treated anti messages. No matter what someone said they'd be laughed out of a community if they were a bad fit for the rest of the users, and it was widely accepted that LJ was a place of shipping and kinkmemes. It was also catty as all hell from any group so sensible people didn't push their luck just because they felt moral superiority.

>>5271
I do not miss how people on Gaia would come into your PMs to start shit with you for something you said in a spam thread between you and your friends. Kid me was thankfully too indignant to be afraid.

>>5271
>>5275
>>5279
Amazing to see fellow oldfag YYH shippers in here. I also never got why Kurama x Hiei was so popular as I found it such a boring ship (though I liked both characters a lot) and I really couldn't squeeze blood from a turnip, I was much more into Karasu x Kurama myself. I still can't get over that one scene of Karasu running his hands on Kurama, how the hell can one see that and not have thoughts about them is beyond me but a lot of Kurama x Hiei shippers seemed to just go with the flow like people often do to this day. There's just such a massive amount of content out there to enjoy so might as well get abroad I guess?

>>5312
>catty as all hell from any group
When the BNF swaps to her snark icon and nukes a hater from orbit.

>>5313
>There's just such a massive amount of content out there to enjoy so might as well get abroad I guess?
I think it was this. Because the EN release was so slow I was already looking at fanart/fic to pass the time in between episodes and I remember watching the anime thinking "okay maybe the next episode is when they get as gay as all these doujins/fanfics are implying they are" and then it was over, lol.

It's so funny how hypocritical they are, slandering and demeaning people in one breath and taking what they want from their art in the next.

>>5319
Kek they do something similar with Tagame too. Promoting his one manga for being such good representation!!1! while ignoring that the rest of his catalogue is gay rape BDSM. I wonder when antis will realize 99% of mangaka would technically be considered "proshippers".

>>5319
I'm like 90% sure most people who know about it haven't read Ganbare Nakamura-kun, the cover just got popular and people just thought "wow it looks so cute!" but they never actually bothered seeing what it is about.

>>5321
Yeah, that's what I thought as well. I've seen artists take YCH commissions for it before

>>5319
The moment someone brought up that most antis are also yumes which is why they take fiction so personally it all just clicked for me and this example sure isn't beating the allegations.

Hehe just saw this tweet from one of the Asian artists I follow:
>well fujoshi is part of my asian lgbtq+ identity, and antis should shut up their english speaking cultural hegemony bitch mouths and try to understand what the fuck blgl means to asian lesbians
I also recently added a "NO anti" to my twitter bio. I usually don't like adding anything but these bitches need to learn to stay in their lane and fuck off. I am not surprised that more users post such tweets or add anti-anti stuff in their bio. The weirdest shit about antis is that they follow everybody that posts pretty art. I noticed multiple people retweeting my stuff even though they had "proshippers DNI" in their bio. Bitch, you literally retweeted a pic showing a dude who symbolically beheaded himself and kneels before the evil warlord he's in love with.

>>5345
When antis were retweeting my art without paying attention to my bio I thought it would be the funniest shit to screencap all receipts and let it blow up in their faces. Someone bolder than me could easily troll a lot of people this way, it would be a shame not to take advantage.

>>5345
Antis are fine with retweeting art from people they deem pedophiles if it looks nice enough I guess. I had proship in my bio once and would still get DNI people following me, some would even consistently reply to me to get a follow back. They make no sense.

>>5346
>>5347
I genuinely believe that the DNI meme is just an excuse they resort to to attack fans of their NOTPs. And their NOTPs are almost always alternative ships involving their self-insert. So far I have never seen an anti actually being anti for more than maybe two "problematic" pairings. Everything else was fine or even beloved by them.
Hell I always see fujos mentioning Transformers in this contexts but it's such a decades old, good example. There are many antis related to Optimus or Megatron. Many antis ship Megatron/Optimus but condemn Megatron/Starscream for example or the exact other way around (which shows how random it is).

If you aren't into Transformers here is the funny part: every relevant character here, especially their popular comic interpretations, are mass murderers, warlords, war criminals and they all cripple and almost murder each other multiple times. And yet antis find a way to hail one pairing as the honest real thing and the other one as so toxic that you must be a pedo and serial killer for liking it. Those fans are few btw. and I love TF and most pairings! But it shows that anti rhetoric makes no fucking sense.

>>5319
It's pretty much impossible to be an anti and an anime/manga fan. Hypocrites, all of them. At least be logically consistent and watch a live-action Netflix series or something.
There needs to be more tentacle Nakamura-kun art instead of the cover meme.
>>5349
>There are many antis related to Optimus or Megatron.
Over a series about giant human robots ffs?

>>5352
>Over a series about giant human robots ffs?
Yeah it's luckily not many but you can study them well to understand anti mentality better. One for example rages about the wrong Starscream ships but she's self-inserting or "kinning" Starscream and pretending he was a "she" because she is a she (I assume). Not sure if she headcanons him as trans-she or actual she but it's both dump because there are no hints in that sense and he is referring to himself as he, why would he do that if he was a girl or trans?
Anyway my point is that anti shit is either about puritan bullshit and coming from kids that are scared of porn or it's about "kinning". People kin as a character so to them seeing somebody shipping the character with someone else is like seeing AI porn of yourself fucking Donald Trump or something.

>>5359
>One for example rages about the wrong Starscream ships but she's self-inserting or "kinning" Starscream and pretending he was a "she" because she is a she (I assume). Not sure if she headcanons him as trans-she or actual she but it's both dump because there are no hints in that sense and he is referring to himself as he, why would he do that if he was a girl or trans?
NTA but as someone who was autistically into Transformers as a pre-teen and enjoyed the show on the level someone that age did (i.e. cool robots doing cool stuff) reading this caused me severe brain damage, damn

>>5360
Antis and kinners are often not fan of canon but some barely related AU version of it. Some of them might have their primary or first knowledge about series from fanfics or fan interpretations instead of canon which doesn't help.

One notorious TIF anti from the TF fandom is drawing the (male) character she self-inserts as as dark-skinned Asian trans-transformer (lol) with tumblr nose because that's how she looks. Thing is primary metal color of the canonical version is white, so not even the colors are the same and she gets mad if anybody draws a human version that isn't like hers and calls them racist or seethes if anybody ships him with anybody but the one character she wants to fuck.

Mass Effect also had its fair share of anti-autists. I don't want to imagine the sperging in even bigger fandoms like Genshin. It probably attracts more trannies too since the male characters are all androgynous.

Only ship I kinda like here is Akira x Goro, shame it's the & tag for the batfam ships since if it was shipping and not platonic bullshit I'd be into it.

>>5364
Always good to see Darry standing strong.

So much Hazbin and Helluva on the charts this year, good for Vizie. Here's hoping for more ship material in season 2.

>>5364
>Those two genshin boys marked as MENA
Kek
>>5365
>good to see Drarry standing strong
Agreed. I'm glad it still has the most fanfics in the Harry Potter fandom.

>>5366
With the way things are trending it might be taken over by Wolfstar eventually