No.2521[View All]
Discuss the current state of modern fandoms with the anti/pro discourse.
>What is pro/anti discourse? Pro and anti refers to two stands in current fandom culture of what is acceptable or not to show in fiction. Anti is someone who is against anything that can be considered problematic (incest, age gaps, abuse,etc) and pro is someone who is in favour of anything problematic. But the labels can usually be something bigger, like discourse with headcanons, whitewashing, etc etc… The problematic things are just the more common ones.
>Where do these discourses usually take place?Usually on places like Twitter, Tumblr and Ao3, but they can also be seen in other places like Discord servers, TikTok and so on.
>Are there any reads about this?Here's a few, feel free to post more that you find!
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce (Japanese artist explaining the whole anti/pro thing)
https://www.themarysue.com/fandom-has-a-purity-culture-problem/ (general article talking of purity culture in fandom spaces)
https://www.cbr.com/cartoon-fandom-has-a-puritanism-problem/ (article about puritanism as well as a debunk in another article saying children's media has a porn problem)
Last thread
https://archive.is/9WPtF No.10461
>>10460Are these people serious?
No.10462
unfortunately
No.10494
>>10493I know terminally online kids are a thing but this definitely feels like the type of shit I'd write if I was making an anti parody account.
No.10495
>>10493Bully x Victim and Boss x Employee is peak BL, especially when the employee is bullying and/or blackmailing the boss into submission. Some people have dino nuggie and choccy milky palates and it shows.
No.10498
>>10493This is so dumb I'm questioning if it's bait, but I'm inspired to write more rapist x victim versions of these anyways
No.10499
>>10493This is either peak satire or unrestrained mental illness.
No.10513
>>10494Yeah pretty sure that's a parody account, it's way too on the nose.
No.10514
>>10513It has to be. "Adultifying" lol. I'm surprised there's no bullet points on teacherxstudent or anything with an age gap.
No.10515
>>10514Samefag here. My god it's real. It's either ragebait or a terminally online kid.
No.10516
>>10515Oh no, any other terrible examples from the account?
No.10517
>>10493So romance in general is forbidden then? What's acceptable by that logic? Random people meeting for the first time as adults in the same age range but outside a professional or academic setting and in neutral circumstances, and they can't be friends who become lovers but they can't dislike each other at first either. Does that mean the only acceptable romance is the boring type of romcoms where the two main characters are the exact same age, the same race (to avoid power imbalance and white savior tropes or whatever), they need to have a crush on each other asap (but they also shouldn't have sex too soon because that's objectification and fetishization) and nothing happens until they finally confess and kiss and credits roll 5 seconds later because any sorts of stakes and conflicts is abusive and gross? These questions don't only apply to BL but in the case of BL they can just throw even more accusations at writers.
No.10549
>>10547We did it. We became the ships themselves. We are all professional ships.
No.10550
>>10547ntayrt but i’m entranced by whatever the fuck this is. ironic or not it’s a car crash i can’t look away from and i’ll take screenshots of anything thread-relevant.
No.10552
>>1054710 years ago kids with this same artstyle were making fnaf fanart on deviantart. Now it came to this bullshit.
No.10555
>>10547there's no way this isn't some kind of troll, even antis aren't retarded enough to genuinely believe this
No.10556
>>10547Damn her neck is long as fuck
No.10560
>>10493>>10547this is so obviously bait you autists
No.10593
>>10591I find both are insufferable and both are likely to make their stance their personality. That being said I have very low empathy for antis
No.10594
>>10591Being an anti is the norm for 2025 fandom outside of AO3. Liking anything problematic means dealing with annoying people. Proshippers have to play defense since they aren't the default.
I hate antis but it's also annoying when someone makes being edgy their entire personality. Just talk about the yaoi itself ffs.
No.10599
>>10594>Being an anti is the norm for 2025 fandom outside of AO3It's the norm on social media but I see more and more pushback outside there.
No.10819
>>2682And who would have guessed: The guy who claimed Vee was a rapist (Kyle A. Carrozza)for drawings had actual cp in his hard drive
No.10853
>>10594I hate how proship became a thing because a lot of times people call things "proship" that would never have been a big deal. Like they assume all "characters met when they had an age gap in the past but now they're both adults" is "proship" which means no normal people in the West ship it, even if it might be popular in Asian fandom and get all kinds of art. It's like once something is called "proship" it can't be treated like a regular ship and only be edgy even if in the canon that's not the only thing it has going for it.
It does seem like antis have won in polarizing fandom. Everything is about morality and talking about how bad your blorbos are or making disclaimers about how you don't condone something in real life and less about understanding that we're all adults who shouldn't need our hands held about fiction.
No.11393
>>6308why did the normies have to infest anime/manga…..
No.12067
>>12065Brb, going to sexually exploit Astarion and ship him with his master
No.12068
>>12065So I guess only the isekai waifus who love being sex slaves like Raphtalia are fine to sexualize because the author made them consent…? Or is it disrespectful to lewd them because you are not MC-kun?
No.12069
>>12068I just talked to Astarion on the phone. He said that he secretly loves being sexually abused and tortured, so it's a-okay.
No.12071
>>12065Not them saying this about ASTARION of all characters, the designated yume bait, the y/n reader insert favorite, the female romance character that everyone was thirsting on before even release kek
Also you are a BG3 fan, the game that lets you fuck anything and anyone?
No.12072
>>12065I always have a theory that whenever someone says the most outlandish shit about a character and calls themselves "biggest (character) understander" they are always self-inserting.
And well, what do we have here?
When will the self-insert "every character I like is me" epidemic end?
No.12203
The THATS A CHILD crowd boggles me, can they at least fuck off from anime then?
No.12214
>>12203It's even more annoying when they don't levy the same argument against men who do the same exact shit and much, much worse than most women do, barring a select deeply unwell, porn-rotted ones. Actually, these critics should be calling out the entirety of the Japanese animanga industry for revolving most of their stories around teenagers and school-life. Be an equal hater, is all I am saying
No.12216
>>12214Most of that crowd leans toward self-inserting (big surprise) with husbandos from Japanese vidja too. Everyone in the animanga / weeb industry caters to otaku which means nearly every creator or person in the industry tolerates lewding underage characters including lolisho, at best. It's very odd that you can consume a video game that lewds characters like that for fans and then yell at fans who do the same thing. And it's always towards women like you said. Please be morally consistent and stick with live-action western sitcoms.
No.12295
>>12065zoomers/gen alpha were raised online so they have a more difficult time separating fiction from reality. quite sad.
No.12606
This video came out one day ago, I have mixed feelings about it.
On one hand it's the same shit antis say, everything is porn gooner gooner etc on the other hand some points are correct
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=HzKSwUBRcz8_lQmL&v=mDv-bX7Pegg&feature=youtu.bespeaking of yuri they never talk about yuri/anime girl to transbian pipeline.
No.12651
>>12643I mean the pushback about this game is because male gamers will, inevitably, sexualize the girl and that this is made by a Japanese company and most of us know how gross Japanese moids are about young white kids/kids in general. On the other hand, this is a weird thing to hone in on by the OP.
No.12654
>>12643Weird hill to die on. It's a little girl wearing makeup, ofc people see it for what it is.
No.12660
>>12643Idk I think it's disgusting people are sexualizing her because the game looks so realistic it crosses a bit of a line for me. Like don't have an issue with lolisho, but I do think you're gross if you like this girl like that.
No.12662
>>12660Ayrt and I agree with you on that, she's way too realistic. I just think a lot of people are exaggerating.